TTJ fam, I'm so excited to have you back. Welcome
back to Thriller Journey. We took a break and
now we're back and I'm excited to have you back
with us. So this episode is a good one and I
wanted us to just get in right now and talk about
it. So right now there are a lot of people who
look successful on the outside and are exhausted
on the inside. They're productive, you know,
they're disciplined, you're getting things done.
But underneath all of that, their nervous system
is still living in survival mode. and that is
the truth a lot of people you might not want
to face right now because in this season people
are not just dealing with pressure you know from
work or wherever else you're carrying old pain
constant stimulation a non -stop noise and a
body that never really gets to come down. So
what happens is you keep pushing, keep performing,
keep achieving, and still wondering why in that
crazy space, why peace still feels so far away.
So that's why this conversation matters. So in
this episode, I sit down with Dr. Jacqueline
Campbell. She's a former US Marine, she's a therapist,
a founder of Vision Expansio. And we're going
to talk about what so many high performers miss.
You cannot outwork dysregulation. You cannot
hustle your way into wholeness. And real success
does not start with doing more. It starts with
learning how to come back to your body, face
what's been driving you, and regulate what has
been running unchecked for years. I had to do
that. So what hit me in this conversation is
that this is not just about trauma in the obvious
sense. This is about the pattern, the emotional
landmine, the hidden survival responses, and
The way unresolved pain keeps shaping how we
love, work, live, and lead, and Dr. Jacqueline
breaks down how the nervous system holds onto
old experiences, why so many people stay busy
to avoid themselves, and what it actually takes
to begin healing at the root. So if you have
been telling yourself, I'm fine, right? I just
need to push harder, this episode may interrupt
that lie. And if you have been feeling like something
in your life keeps repeating, no matter how hard
you work, this conversation may help you see
why. Let's get into it. So I'm really excited
to have Dr. Jacqueline Campbell on. And thank
you for being on the podcast. How are you doing
today? I'm doing really well, Michael. Thank
you so much for having me. Absolutely. My nervous
system was about to be dysregulated. Today we
had a little bit of tech issues, but, you know,
you know, the calm minds prevail, right? Right.
They do. And sometimes it's still hard. Yeah,
it is. It is. It is. It is. And, you know, like
I told you, I was really excited to have you
on just because just in my life, I have just
really started working on What it means to kind
of regulate your nervous system, right? And I
don't even know if I'm doing it right, you know
I'm just kind of picking up pieces like puzzles
and trying to put it together and You know really
figure it out But before we go into everything
I you know, I had to you know do a little research
on who you were and you have an amazing resume
and you know, you are a former US Marine mental
health therapist founder of a company called
vision expansio, right? Right and You know, we
talked about the top of the store of the show
high performers and your mission is to help high
performers regulate their nervous system and
How how do you go about doing that? Just really
quickly because we're going to go deep into it.
But of course in that world, what does that look
like? Well when you're talking about needing
to regulate your nervous system We need to be
mindful of what the body is saying to begin with.
If we're not self -aware, then the mind -body
connection is physiologically damaged, and we
can't pay attention to the negative energy that's
building up in our body. This usually turns into
disease and chronic illnesses, things that we
can prevent. They call it somatic experiencing,
where you feel sick in one area, or you have
a disorder in one area, but the doctors can't
figure it out. because physically nothing's wrong
with you, it's because you're somatically experiencing
your emotions in your body. However, when it
comes to feeling your emotions, when something
happens, let's say you were 10 years old and
your mom was late to pick you up from school
or something, just something easy, right? Like
physical sexual and violent traumas, that's a
whole other story and it's deeper and it's bigger,
but most people look at that like a problem.
The average person doesn't look at when I was
10 years old and mom was late to pick me up.
But when I'm 10 years old, sitting at the stoop
at the school and I feel abandoned and neglected
and I'm embarrassed that I'm sitting there, I
don't realize that's what's happening in the
nervous system is it's getting programmed. The
more memories that it has that are like that,
it creates emotional landmines that get stuck
and jammed in the body. And then there's neural
networks in the brain that create these stories.
And then what happens in real life, 25 years
later, you're 35 years old and you can't have
a healthy relationship because you feel insecure
because you feel like you're gonna be abandoned.
It creates filters on our reality. So if you're
not present with your body in the moment, you
can't tell when you're not actually present.
You're just feeling stress from the past. So
a lot of the work in getting grounded as awareness
followed by working on issues that are unresolved
from your past. Yeah, I would definitely agree
with that. I think, let's just say starting with
2009, I was actually starting to understand that
many years ago. All right. But not everybody
really finds that until later, later, later,
later, later in life. Right. What are some of
the things that people could look for right now?
In their life they say maybe this is something
I should be looking at too because these patterns
keep showing up in my life Right. You're talking
about like red flags that they know that there's
a problem, but they don't necessarily know what
the problem is just yet Yeah, you say that yes,
right? I call them red flag Right now that I
see is people cannot be still and cannot be present
And the number one way that people can maybe
decipher whether they're a present individual
and aware or not is they're constantly on electronics.
If you are constantly stimulating, you're running
from something because we can't sit still with
ourselves because we're actually running away
from ourselves. So electronics is the number
one. Staying busy with other things is another
common thing. It's the same thing, just not using
electronics. Electronics happen to be the easiest
form of distraction for us right now. A lot of
high performers, they hide in their work. So
they're constantly working from the second they
wake up. They listen to whether it be podcasts
or audio books or a YouTube video or something
while they're at the gym. Like, yeah, they made
it to the gym, but did they actually decompress
their brain? Did they they allow their brain
to decompress when they were eating lunch or
did they sit there at the table and watch a screen?
Right and then they don't get off until later
in the evening and then even then Still answering
text messages still answering calls. They never
allow themselves that downtime Because the nervous
system once you get still and quiet it will start
telling you all the things that it needs to work
on This is why we run Yeah You know, when, as
you were saying that, you know, when you first
met someone, it's like you kind of sense their
energy a little bit. And for you, I sensed her
energy and I was like, I think, man, she's calm,
she's chill, you know? Thank you, I'm so happy.
Everybody always says that. So when I feel, you
know, a little ruffled, I'm like, one, I can't
help anybody, you know, get calm if I'm ruffled,
right? But then immediately I'm like, Okay, well,
but what caused it? How long ago did it start?
And we have to figure that out, because it wasn't
just in the moment, because people can pick up
on it. If you're scattered, if you're disorganized,
and if you're not aware of that, then people
will start not wanting to be around you. It's
like, or they're also negative and disorganized.
And that's why they cling to be around you. Yeah,
just would you call that needy? It depends sometimes
there's energy vampires and sometimes I mean
your vibe attracts your tribe You know what I
mean? However, a lot of peaceful people with
really good and joyful energy They feel depleted
because they're constantly giving to those energy
vampires You know, so when I kind of create just
a little bit before we go forward that something
that led you into this journey so I know that
You you talk about how your you had an unstable
home growing up that and then you went to the
Marines around 17 There is a if you want to talk
about that story just a little bit that got to
the turning point to Change and shift everything
for you. Just so that people can really say well,
maybe I see myself in her story absolutely And
I think it happens a lot with highly sensitive
people. I'm a very sensitive person. So I feel
my emotions, even if I don't want to. So when
I was trying to suppress my emotions, it came
out as anger and aggression. But that's because
I just couldn't contain there was just too much
right in the body. It just it demanded to be
heard and come out. So it's very rageful. However.
The reason why it was like that was because our
home was unstable because generational trauma
was passed down, right? A lot of families do
this. But for ours, it was we didn't know when
we would be safe. You know, there was physical,
sexual and psychological trauma passed down generationally.
So nobody knew the difference. And there was
no such thing as being safe. Even when you weren't
getting hurt, you weren't psychologically safe
because there was psychological manipulation
happening. guilt trips, expectations, conformity,
you know, all of these expectations a lot of
people grow up with and they think that it's
normal. It's not. It really is not. And then
one clue that you can identify in your family
too is are emotions and opinions allowed to be
had? If it's not a safe environment, they will
not be allowed there because you're supposed
to conform or be something specific. And so I
as a highly sensitive person, I had this huge
ball of rage. I didn't know what to do with it.
So I'm like, oh, I want to go be a badass in
the military. So let me go do that. But as a
woman, it was completely inauthentic. I was not
happy there. I was I always felt like I was being
controlled and told to conform to something that
was expected of me. But That's because we also
are attracted to things that continue to replay
these same stories. And we have to deprogram
ourselves to get out of it. And I didn't start
to see it fully until I became a wife and a mother.
When I as a woman decided I don't want to act
like a man anymore, I don't want to be dominant.
I don't want to be aggressive and I don't want
to be cold or rageful because my temper was like.
snap at a finger, I'll go like from zero to 100
and there was no need for that. But I also needed
to separate myself from people who would try
to get me to conform. Anybody who dealt with
control dynamics, I needed to get away. No matter
how much I loved them and I wanted them to heal
themselves, it was my decision to heal myself.
So I had to change a lot of relationships dynamics.
my own mindset, of course, my behaviors, but
that helped me regulate my nervous system because
it allowed me to be more authentic, which was
actually more feminine. Did you? Was there just
a choice there or was it something that just
helps you shift that? That anger and I and I
asked that because when again, when you tell
your story like I'm looking at myself and I.
was an angry little guy growing up. And I think
it's because, you know, my upbringing on my mom's
side was unstable. Like I was always moving here,
moving there, different schools and all that
kind of stuff. And I didn't know why I was angry.
I didn't know why somebody looked at me the wrong
way. I just was ready to fight. You know, I didn't
know that until, you know, again, around 2005,
I started working on myself. And for me, was
just like I guess I was sick of being that way
and things just kind of showed up for me because
I was looking for that change not knowingly looking
for it but just but kind of looking for it and
it showed up. Right. Absolutely and and we can't
integrate something in our lives that even if
it does show up if we're not open to it. Yeah.
You know, so you being open, that's why it was
able to start integrating into your life. So
several people had told me that I had anger issues
or that I was a control freak because when we
feel powerless We immediately want to control
right? however when I started to make this shift
it was because there was a couple of moments
in time and and One was when I hit my son. He
was six months old I actually said this on another
podcast the other day for the first time, but
obviously people need to hear it That's why the
question keeps coming up But I hit him out of
anger and he had this huge red mark and I wasn't
abusive But that's not the point The point is
in that moment when I saw my six -month -old
with a red welt on his leg And it was because
I couldn't manage myself I was like, absolutely
not. I will never discipline my kids again when
I'm angry So people would judge me. They would
criticize me. You got to get control of your
kids You got to teach them right for long and
i'm just keep them out of their business Yeah,
and eventually they see that my kids learn to
respect me because when I came and set a boundary
I absolutely meant it and you can't control me
and manipulate me make me feel guilty because
I've already managed my emotion before I address
the problem with you You know, however during
that period of time It was very hard for me to
get out of my head because nobody else understood
it Because I wasn't you know jumping at my son
getting you know smart with me or you know their
sarcasm or slamming the door or whatever, right?
Walking away from me when I'm talking. I'm like,
it's okay, because I'm going to collect myself
and then I'll go back. But that was that was
a huge turning point. Yeah, those moments. Yeah,
they, they, they light up some, some, some signals
for us to, you know, make a shift. And I know
you talked about generational trauma. It, what
I read is that it made you cold and aggressive.
And Like that was the thing that kind of shifted
you from just that way of being into, you know,
where I kind of sense you being that like in
peace and with clarity and the things that you
share. Thank you. That's I, for the majority
of the time, that's where I stay because I'm
very particular with the people, places, things
and habits and thought processes that I allow
into my space. And again, part of it was realizing
some people might think that you're stuck up
because you don't negotiate on the things that
you are willing and not willing to do, right?
And that's okay. You know, I've made peace with
that, but it did take work, right? So when you
guard your peace and your energy like it's more
important than money, it literally is your life
force. But then all of a sudden, now you start
to realize you get to embody peace no matter
what happens in life. Yeah See there's a difference.
I think maybe When people see that See you that
way that's just perception from them. It's not
this it's nothing on you Yeah, but you know,
that's just kind of how it shows up, right? So
I have a question for you when you started changing
you said it was back in 2009 or 2005 I would
say 2005 2009 was when I was actually Going into
personal development and we're doing the work
2005 shows up Right because there's a difference.
There's a transition in our stages of change.
What was the hardest period for you? To really
jump in and take that accountability for yourself.
What was your turning point? My turning point
So a lot of it really I should say this really
started to shift when my mom passed away in 2003
um and then I was not dealing with it well right
I was just not dealing with it and so the things
that I was you know striving to do they just
they were getting away from me so I was I was
working to go to the Olympics so I was training
with uh you know with the Olympic team and here
in Georgia and then I just stopped because things
were just like me not dealing with my mom's death
things just started to like mount on me and then
from Georgia moved to Los Angeles and it was
just maybe it was the environment and I was like
I needed to I needed to change. There was just
a shift. Maybe it was just the environment. I
just needed to shift and so I was searching for
this searching for that even looked at. Don't
tell nobody, but Scientology. Just to look at
it, right? And I was like... You just said it
on a podcast. I love that. Nobody, nobody in
the audience talk about this, okay? It's a secret.
Don't tell. But you know, that wasn't for me.
And then I found Buddhism and I started practicing
Buddhism. And then that was a thing that really
began to just shift my inner being. I didn't
know that that's what it was doing, though. Yeah.
And then I started doing self -development. And
that was, it was just, I was tired of losing.
And I was just, I was just sick of it. And so
that was just, that was just, you know, just
that moment we just feel fed up with something.
That's what it was for me. Yeah. That's beautiful.
I actually had another moment. It was another
very, very hard turning point. And I won't go
into too much detail about the the situation
specifically because it would be talking about
somebody else and I don't want to do that. But
I had a conversation with my stepdaughter and
I had gotten her in our marriage. I'm divorced
now, but I got her in the marriage when she was
six and it was very, very hard. One, I needed
to learn how to parent, right? And manage myself.
And I didn't know how to parent my six month
old. Like when we got married, he was six months
old and she was six. So Like I needed to learn
and grow myself up, right? And so when I remember
when she was 11, we were standing in the hallway
and I asked her, what do you think about us not
dealing with anybody else? If you and I have
a problem with each other, we come to each other.
We don't vent to other people. We don't seek
advice from other people. And we just have our
relationship just between us. She said yes, and
she is still she's 22 years old not told not
23 She is wonderful in the Air Force and so emotionally
mature And I believe that both of us grew each
other up because we had that moment But it really
took me saying you know what I need to stop acting
like I know anything more than her because I'm
an adult I don't you know we just need to do
this together Yeah, I think this this brilliant
are you? That I have a question somewhere around
here, but I'm just kind of go off the cover just
our conversation You talked about emotional intelligence
with With about you know, gosh, I wish I remember
the question is don't remember it, but you talked
about Emotional intelligence work within emotional
intelligence as far as connected with your nervous
system what what is for somebody who is like
like in the worlds that we talked about, how
do they connect with that? Because I know emotional
intelligence is a thing and maybe someone who
is deep in the work and using work as a crutch,
they don't know that they're in it. It's just
what they think they do. That's who they are.
Right. That is a really good point because when
we're running from ourselves, we have no idea.
Right like we might start to but it'll take a
long time sometimes For us to have that wake
-up call where all of a sudden I stopped running
for myself and I confront it meaning me Head
on right, which is a whole whole lot of accountability
but the way that they could Maybe have that eye
-opening moment is motivation, right? It helps
to have motivation Nobody wants to do the work
because it feels like crap and it takes a long
time, right? it's a lot of work, but Just to
know how amazing your nervous system is. This
is your brain and your spinal cord and there's
so many nerve endings that go through your entire
body and it's connected to all of your senses.
So this is what creates your reality. Now, if
you want to change anything in your reality,
it is not going to come through more hustle.
It's going to come through more stabilization
so you can actually shift inside you energetically
what's being attracted to you. And then in terms
of the filters to our brain, how you perceive
things. So even if you are broke, you can be
absolutely happy or and a lot of individuals
that I work with are very because I do coaching
as well. They are very successful and very wealthy
and very unhappy. So no matter what you do externally,
if you learn to harness your nervous system,
which takes the healing like at the end of time,
right, then you can actually live the life you
want. So it can give you everything that you
want. So that's really where I wanted to go.
That's the conversation that we wanted to have
about the nervous system. Because here's the
thing. I don't know if I said it before or on
the podcast with you, that I just started to
understand what I guess the neuroscience of the
nervous system. I don't know if I'm saying that
right. But it is so Like I can I can feel the
difference When I'm I guess what I'm breathing
right and regulating myself through nervous system
and and I know what we What we manifest on the
outside come from what we're doing on the inside,
right? You know and you talked about I Guess
that kind of dysregulated nervous system is like
it sabotages people or sabotages your performance
What like what is how do you regulate your nervous
system? Even if you if you know that it's nervous
system, that's dysregulated or if you don't Right.
Well, it is a process. It's a whole journey It's
not a one and done and you don't implement one
practice or one technique one coping skill Like
that more of a band -aid fix for the present
moment, which is helpful but it there's building
blocks to it and it takes time and so what I
would say is if somebody really wants to Optimize
because those are the terms that I use we need
to optimize it like it's a system, right? This
goes into your water your diet, your exercise,
your sleep, your de -stressing at the end of
the day, your time outdoors, your schedule, your
relationships, your mindset. There's so much,
right? But at the end of the day, what this is
doing is helping you become a co -creator in
the universe. And this goes into like law of
attraction and energy psychology, which is absolutely
fascinating in terms of neuroscience. But think
about it, there's a part of our brain called
the reticular activating system, and it's RAS,
right? And this works directly with the thalamus,
which this part creates filters, right? But the
RAS is like a magnifying glass. You ever gone
shopping for a car and you're like, oh, all of
a sudden I want, I think I want a red one, right?
So now all of a sudden you see those red cars
everywhere. But if you change your mind, you're
like, no, no, I think I'm gonna go for a white
one. Now you will all of a sudden see white cars.
They were there the whole time. Your reticular
activating system just didn't see them because
you didn't tell it to pick up on that. Now the
problem with the reticular activating system
is it's great, right? Like everybody wants, oh,
show me a million dollars, right? Like it's gonna
pop up in your life. It's working in partnership
with the thalamus, which has the filters on it.
These filters are unprocessed traumas, limiting
beliefs. So if you have a filter of inadequacy,
your reticular activating system is going to
constantly be hearing, look for where I'm not
good enough. And that's exactly what you're going
to find. So once you resolve that filter, you
take it off and you intentionally, this is us
becoming a co -creator of our reality. You just
took that filter off. Now you're going to intentionally
put, I'm a badass on like, this is the filter
you're seeing. And all of a sudden your reticular
activating system. Starts trying to find those
areas that you're rocking it in your life Yeah,
so this is you intentionally using the mechanisms
that are waiting for you in your brain Because
then once you're starting to utilize this and
you realize that you're a co -creator Then your
vibration which is your positive moods your you're
increasing in peace and love and joy they literally
increase which then Gravitates all the positivity
to you Instead of you having to go try to find
it. So it works together with energy psychology
Yeah, so like whether you're a high performer
or someone working, you know a job that you know,
that's not high performance just you know job
It works for you too, right? Every single person
has it right has the ability to do it and You
had talked about well, I'm gonna go back first
When you talked about the red car, I want a Rivian.
I don't know if you know about Rivians, but I
want a Rivian, right? And I have it posted on
my wall, and I'm like, I want a Rivian. And I
just remember when I really started saying this
is what I want, I start, you know, in my mind's
eye, start driving it. I would then, and they're
not... Popular popular, but you know, but it's
so funny because like I think I was telling who
I was telling maybe Yvonne I was like three days
in a row that I see Rivians, right? But it just
let me know that when I'm in a in a space that
I can really call that stuff to my life, you
know, and I think you're saying this and with
the nervous system because I on a different podcasts
you had said that the nervous system is like
an antenna right and so if people are high performers
nine to five is creators whoever if they're living
in the world of burnout and your nervous system
and antenna what can they do to really begin
to shift that way of being right Well when you're
talking about using the nervous system as an
antenna it's picking up on things and we have
us everything down to the Quantum level is vibration,
right? Yes, we have molecules and you know our
DNA but all that broken down even smaller It's
quantum physics, right? Like how everything works
with everything else and we gravitate to similar
energies So you can't have one. Let's say the
job vibrates super super high but you vibrate
really, really low. Your antenna will not pick
that up, even if it's right in front of you.
And if it does pick it up, it will run screaming
from it because the vibration doesn't match.
It will literally repel each other. This is why
we need to use our reticular activating system
as a two way communication. If I'm calling something
in, let's say a big one, of course, money and
love. Those are the two big ones, right? Everybody
wants those. Let's say I'm calling in a partner,
right? I want an intimate partner that I want
to share my life with. I want to get married.
And I'm going to use my reticular activating
system and my thalamus. Remember, those are the
filters. The reticular activating system is the
magnifying glass. But I'm going to use these
parts as a teacher, not as a, oh, nobody loves
me. Nobody wants to stay with me, but as lessons
to see what inside me I still need to work on.
So I start getting on a dating app and I start
meeting these wonderful people. However, a couple
weeks in, all of a sudden, they start talking
down to me, right? And there's a theme. Instead
of getting mad that, oh, nobody loves me, that
would be victim mindset, I say, you know what?
There's a filter that I have on my brain. That's
why my reticular activating system is only finding
that. So let me find out where I call them feeder
memories. In the mental health field, actually,
when we're talking about healing traumas from
the past, they're all feeder memories. You have
to find those, work on them, which sometimes
means you have to feel the emotions. Yeah, it
was 25 years ago, who cares? You're getting it
out of your system now. So you still have to
dive in and work on it, then go back to the dating
app and reevaluate how you're doing. And intentionally
put the positive filter on, people who respect
me and love me only come to me. and see how people
treat you differently. Because this is the power
that we have, but we have to take accountability
with it too. And you said feeder, F -E -T -E
-R, feeder? Feeder, F -E -E -D -E -R. Feeder,
feeder. Yeah, do you think it's not like the
problems that we have, it's kind of like a boiling
pot of water, and on the top you see the boiling,
and you see the steam. Those are the problems
that we're conscious of. Problem is the fire.
It's the heat under that. Those are the feeder
memories. They feed the fire. And that's where
you go in and you really shift those memories?
Or what do you do? Okay. So you can do all kinds
of things. One, some people go to therapy, right?
Two, you can work with yourself with visualizations.
You can journal. You can talk to those younger
parts of yourselves out loud. and just bring
up the memory. I would advise if you're going
to do, let's say you're just talking to, let's
say it was your 10 year old part, bring up a
visual of them and then coach them and affirm
their feelings, validate them. Some people think
that it's cheesy. Who cares? It works because
neuroplasticity is going to be connecting and
you're going to be getting it to go in a different
direction. Instead of feeling insecure, it's
going to feel empowered. But you have to make
that conscious shift. And you said feel. So feeling
is an essential part of the shift. Right. If
you don't feel for that 10 year old part of you.
And this goes into feeling sorry for yourself.
Who cares? You have to feel empathy for yourself.
But people tend to want to be hard on themselves,
which just all that all you're doing is you're
continuing to hurt that part of you, which then
in your reality. You're just causing more pain.
Yeah. Yeah. So if you're a person right now,
and you're like, OK, I hear you. I hear what
you're saying. But my reality right now, I'm
just going to use this word sucks, right? It
sucks, right? How should I be feeling when money's
not good, and billings are piling up, or I have
no love in my life, or whatever it is? How am
I supposed to? regulate my nervous system, or
how am I supposed to feel good about my life
when all these things are happening to me? So
I don't know how many people are going to be
able to see the video, but I'm holding up a book.
It's called Radical Responsibility, and it is
How to Move Beyond Blame, Fearlessly Live Your
Highest Purpose and Become an Unstoppable Force
for Good. It's by Dr. Fleet Mall. And it is a
fascinating book. There's several more that are
like that. But if you take radical accountability
for your life, nothing can ever hold you back.
Nothing's going to ever be so much that you can't
move forward. But I'm not saying that it doesn't
suck. You know, taking radical accountability
means if you're broke, look at the things that
you're doing that are making you broke. Manage
those because you can feel empowered all of a
sudden in a snap of fingers. You can feel empowered
because you can actually do something about it.
Then once you manage your behaviors, look at
your mindset. Where are you negative? Where are
you self -sabotaging? Where are you playing victim?
That's a hard one. Own it. Absolutely own it.
Be like, Oh crap, I was just playing victim.
My bad. You know, and change it. Then once you've
managed your behaviors, then you've managed your
mindset. Then Intentionally put those positive
filters on and go back out into the world and
try to find something better Then let's say it
was a crappy job that you didn't like leave it
The money is not worth your vibration because
if you're working in a crappy job, it's gonna
hold you into that negative state Right. It's
gonna make you feel the way that you used to
because the new version of you cannot come in
if you're still acting and living and Experiencing
those same old things you have to change them
You talk about vibration Just say so you're working
on working on different vibrations based on how
we're feeling and things that we're putting out
How do you I guess there's probably a metric
for What kind of vibration you're putting out
there? So if someone is let's talk about love
somebody is you know vibrating at a certain level,
but they want a different level how they How
do they connect with a different higher vibration?
I don't know if I'm asking the question correctly,
but how do they connect with a higher vibration
so that they can? Yeah, okay Yeah, this is why
they're right behind me during podcast because
power verse four by Dr. David Hawkins He actually
has an algorithmic scale and it holds or it depicts
the different Frequencies and emotional states
and states of being this is your mindset right
which actually controls your reality But it shows
you what emotional range you're in Now if you
don't like this emotional range your job is to
like we were talking about take accountability
Make those shifts deal with the traumas that
are making you feel that way and then you can
start to move forward But the things that I was
talking about earlier all go into that Let's
say you want to have a positive mindset, but
you don't want to stop smoking. Well, you're
still holding yourself back. You know, it's still
a negative thing. Anything that hurts you is
going to hold you back. So somebody who wants
to vibrate, let's say you want true love, right?
So you want to vibrate at the place of unconditional
love, which is an actual vibration. I think it's
like 528 or something. Go on YouTube and look
up frequency music. There's all kinds of different
frequencies and it can kind of give you an idea
of where to start. Right. But let's say me personally,
I want somebody who will never look at another
woman who has never had another experience with
another woman that's better than me. This is
all jealousy. Right. But he can't leave me. He
has to stay with me forever. So I'm being controlling
now and I'm being possessive. When he goes to
work, if he works too late, now I'm jealous.
He has to come home because I want him with me,
what I'm doing is I'm lowering myself saying,
I want true love, but I'm not willing to give
it. So we have to, the accountability is huge
when it comes to your vibration, because the
universe is not gonna lie to you. It's not gonna
bring you what you're asking for. It's gonna
bring you what you are and what you need. That's
the truth. It's a crappy truth, right? I was
about to say it's a truth that a lot of people
don't want to hear. That goes into the accountability,
right? What I found interesting too, you have
a cognitive processing method. I do. stress individuals
clear blockages out of their nervous system.
Does that kind of fit with what we're talking
about or is that a whole different method? No,
all the things that I do work to optimize the
nervous system, but I call it cognitive processing
because I originally, with my 15 years in the
mental health field, I was working with individuals
to heal trauma and I was trained in what's called
eye movement desynthetization and reprocessing.
It's EMDR. and this connects your neural networks
with unprocessed information which is your traumas
with your optical nerves and a lot of there I
was certified in this modality of therapy which
is highly highly effective because it reprocesses
which is organizing information that's held within
your nervous system your brain and your your
body and I noticed that there was an eye wobble
when I was working with a lot of my clients,
because you actually move your eyes left to right,
left to right, and there's that cadence, it's
actually stimulating bilateral stimulation, your
left and your right hemisphere to organize the
information. So as I started noticing, and I'm
more like a rebel, I will definitely go off script
and I will break the rules, because I'm like,
no, that's interesting, I'm sure that's a thing,
right? And because I'm also a naturopathic doctor,
so I believe that the intelligence of the body
is so much smarter than all of us who think we
know everything. So I was certified, but I went
completely off, because there's a script and
everything with it, because I wanted to follow
what the eyes were doing. And when I did, I realized
there's another, there's actually, his name is
David Grant. He created or discovered what's
called brain spotting. And this is because he
was also an EMDR therapist. when he discovered
the eye wobble as well this is the eyes wanting
to stay in that spot because if you're looking
in your visual field you're not looking at the
things and the people around you a lot of times
you're looking for the information inside your
own brain so where you look it depends on what
access you're getting to that information inside
you so what i did was i stopped using emdr so
much i started using brain spotting a whole lot
more and i realized just how quickly People were
healing and sometimes it was a little too much
So there's a something called a window of tolerance,
which is your emotional capacity And if you're
not within that window of tolerance, it's usually
not a good thing for the client They need to
stay within their own capacity to feel in order
to regulate because it's like controlled healing
instead of Too much too soon is is actually too
much right? There is a such thing as that So
what I did is I actually stopped working with
individuals who were not used to very, very high
pace, high stress, thus the peak performers and
working with a lot of entrepreneurs who are used
to taking risks and feeling that uncomfortable
stress and still pushing through it. So I actually
created my own technique. that gets in a little
bit deeper than brain spotting because brain
spotting will still let your brain block you
because there's dissociative barriers, there's
defense barriers, avoidance, denial, all those
areas of our brain. And we can still process
information, but it's not all of the information.
And I like to be very, very effective because
I truly believe if you push past the discomfort,
you could if you want, you could change the world.
Your potential is literally waiting for you.
Your brain and your body, they want to evolve.
But if we are not comfortable pushing past our
discomfort, then we're not going to get there.
So I only work with individuals who are high
stress, high performance because, and I tell
them before, this is going to be uncomfortable.
But then I use their optical nerves, and this
is where cognitive processing came to be. And
even then, sometimes they're like, can I just
take a break? Because it is a lot, right? But
the nervous system is actually healing itself.
That's why it's so effective. OK, so you work
only with high performance, which is, you know,
that's what I found out. So, man, so when you're
dealing with the high performers, is it is the
fact that they are okay to go to the uncomfortable
spaces because of the level of Where they are
in their lives It's actually it's not necessarily
about the level of their lives. It's about their
level of accountability If you tell somebody
who is always and I hate to use these words playing
victim But that's the best way that I could describe
it If you are not used to holding the accountability
and the responsibility for your own life when
your nervous system all of a sudden Shows you
it's gonna be catastrophic You're gonna fall
apart because you're not used to even taking
a little bit of accountability. It's too hard
Right. However, when you're dealing with somebody
who has a lot of responsibility They're used
to fast pace and they're used to people saying
hey You you need to get your head out of your
butt because you're hurting people or you're
you're moving too fast You need to pay attention
those individuals who are used to that. They're
usually jerks But they're used to being called
a jerk. Then they're like, oh yeah, yeah, you're
right. I was a jerk. So maybe I should change
something. So let me go take accountability because
they've been used to being called a jerk or mean
or usually it's selfish for so long. Their level
of accountability is actually higher. So their
emotional capacity is more resilient than somebody
who's been playing victim their whole life who's
never had to take accountability. You know, this
may take us off a little bit. I hope not. Well,
I was listening to somebody that who's he's a,
I guess it's like a business consultant coach.
And he was just talking about how he, he'll have
more dogs than children because he say, you know,
his words, human suck. And he was talking about,
there's this part where he was talking about
humans. I guess the clients that he was working
with, they didn't want to take responsibility
of the results that they were getting for their
business. He would say, let's do this, let's
do that, let's do this, let's do that. But then
the client would say, well, I don't like the
way you're doing that, and then blame him for
not getting the results that they want, even
though he can show them how to get them. And
I was assert to say that a lot of humanity is
that way in a way that a lot of humanity won't
take accountability for different things in their
life, which I think is kind of like, it helps,
or I don't know if it helps, but it causes a
certain social structure, right? It does. So
what could, in this conversation, what could
somebody do to really start to, even if they're
not a high performer, what could they do to really
look at, you know, the things that we're talking
about to really begin to take? Well, first awareness,
I know. But after that, like, what could they
do to start to take accountability for the things
that they won't take accountability for? I know
that's probably a wild question, but. No, it
does make sense. The first thing that I was thinking,
though, when you were telling me the story about
the about the other guy. is I'm thinking, well,
what is inside that coach that's attracting those
kind of clients? You know, I didn't think about
that. Our filters are tricky because we think
our reality is real when it's really only a mirror
to showing you that he may be taking full accountability
in his business, but not taking accountability
in somewhere else in his life. Either way, it's
there. So for somebody whether and and you're
talking about high performers like. Like there's
not the average person out there making a nine
-to -five job who isn't a high performer You're
probably really working a lot and trying your
very very best. There's still a high performer
in there You know your job is to optimize that
figure out what your goals are and then direct
your intentions To be able to be you know, wherever
you want in five ten years, right? So I think
there's a lot of average people who are acting
like they're average when they're really high
performers However, the way that they can start
taking accountability, because that was originally
your question, was when situations like that
happen, this situation in my life I don't like,
so what is it in me that could possibly be bringing
that in? What is it trying to teach me, or what
is it trying to show me? Then address that, because
that will naturally start building more accountability.
The more accountability you take, the more your
nervous system is going to try to heal itself.
because then you're not working against it you're
working with it. As you're saying that I'm thinking
like well I guess I'm seeing in my my mind's
eye this like a shift in their reality right
because then their reality is mirroring a different
way of being that they're calling out for themselves.
Absolutely but they have to allow that reality
shift to happen because a lot of it is letting
go too. Besides accountability, it's a lot of
letting go. There was a part that self -care,
I think that may help with that too. I had a
guest on and she talked about self -care and
a couple of guests on, that they were talking
about self -care and being accountable for those
just taking care of yourself. Could that support
in, you know, just being able to say, you know
what, let me take more accountability. If I'm
taking accountability for my self care or myself,
then I could start taking accountability for
other things that maybe I'm not being, you know,
accountable for. Exactly. I would say absolutely.
If you have to start somewhere, start there.
Let's say you're not so comfortable taking accountability
in your relationship. Right? Because that one's
always the hardest for some people. The other
one is the job. Right? Like the bad things that
are happening, the pay, like, why is that my
fault? Well, if you can't do that yet, do the
self -care, the water, the diet, the exercise,
the sleep, the de -stressing at the end of the
day. And then the other one that I, because I
usually I call them my big six, that the sixth
one is your time outdoors. You have to be around
the elements. But if you start with those things
and just start with one at a time. Optimize your
water intake shoot for a gallon of spring water
alkaline water every single day That's all you
got to do make that promise put it on your calendar
and then once it's integrated into your life
Go to the next one Optimize that one go to the
next one optimize that one before you realize
that your nervous system has already been healing
itself Because the nervous system is taking clues
from you Do you want to live in the past and
the old yucky energy or the lower vibrational
state? or the lower level of consciousness that
you are just not aware that you can live the
life of your dreams? Or do you want to kick ass
at life and really like show up for yourself,
right? Because once you start showing your nervous
system that you want to be a boss in your own
life, it will start letting you. You know, when
you say show up for yourself, I remember this
is maybe a few years ago. I remember when I I
think because I had health issues and right after
I got a kidney transplant there was a program
that I was in and it was like team management
development leadership program and I remember
it was a year long and after that year I really
felt it was hard it was hard man but at the end
of it I really was very proud of myself because
there's, you know, I was, you know, shifting
myself, you know, and I really remember saying,
man, I showed up for myself. And I said, I showed
if I can continue to show up for myself, then
I have the capacity to continue to show up for
other people. And I think that was just one of
the most powerful transitions that I've had in
my entire life. Of course, you know, being older
really supported that, but You know That's a
message. I think for people really to show up
for yourself. Take care of yourself. Take care
of the traumas that you talked about and Really
take accountability for who you are for yourself
and then you can do it for other people Absolutely.
I see I'm could think about it like projections,
right? We always project whether you're projecting
something bad or projecting something good Either
way like we are projecting so you get to make
a conscious decision if you're gonna project
good unto the world But there's so many people
out there who have not done the healing and don't
take the accountability that still try to project
good They want to save people they want to tell
people what to do They want to be the leaders
or the business owners because it gives you control
right and tell everybody else how they're supposed
to live They're just projecting what they're
needing to do for themselves, and they just haven't
seen it yet So you can choose to be one of those
people, or you can say, oh, no, I don't really
have it all together. Let me get my stuff taken
care of, and then we can even see if I can help
other people do it. So that's a lot of problems.
Yeah. I think that was probably the story that
I lived in for a minute. I was like, hey, man,
I'm a mess. Yes. At different times, we all are.
So that helps to know, right? Yeah. Yeah, it
definitely does. You know, there's so many ways
I can go with this, but you have a company that
we talked about, Vision Expansio. Does that say
that correctly? Yep. All right. And it says your
aim is to create a world where healing and emotional
intelligence are the foundation of human evolution.
What is that in your words and the way that you're
going to explain it? What does that mean? Well,
it should also say self -leadership. in that
mission statement, but that's the way that I
see it. And that's the reason why it was created.
I do public speaking and I have online coaching
programs. I'm coaching one -on -one, but I'm
putting them online right now to make sure that
they're available for the average person. But
at the end of the day, my goal is to increase
consciousness, which is you actually having more
power over your reality. to live the life that
you want. But a lot of that comes with accountability.
And I would like to, we're creating a prototype
for an emotional intelligence certification this
year to implement in police departments, the
school system, the healthcare system. Because
if we have more people who can take accountability,
and if we have more emotionally grounded individuals
who've worked on their trauma, so they're not
projecting anymore, and they are more conscious,
it will actually shift the entire country. because
those systems are they're actually what lead
the country. I am astounded. I was just saying
that I'm astounded by the people that we choose
to be on it and that agreed to be on this podcast.
I was just talking to a guest yesterday who who
has an invention that can, you know, really work
towards stopping school shootings because they
because their system they're what I don't know.
I know what it's called. It's called BMRT. I'm
not going to say the name because I would butcher
it biometric something something something something
but because of who words in the world in the
world of quantum physics that it can go you know
go through walls and all that kind of stuff and
when you were saying you know what your mission
is like it just it's not a whole different another
level of how we could be as human beings as a
as a just as a human race right and so what you're
you know supporting and what you're putting out
there and what you're um really sharing with
the world and um putting out there I think is
it's an amazing it's amazing thing you know thank
you we really appreciate that yeah actually your
your contribution you know to the to the world
and so It took you something some time and through
something to get to where you are right now It
took something to get here and I mean I could
do more and you have a you have a When I say
do more have more conversation with you, but
You have a you have a podcast yourself right
resilient minds I do. Yes, it's resilient minds,
stories of grit, growth, and success. Yeah. When
did you start that podcast and how did that come
about? I started it back in I think October.
Maybe it was September because we weren't trying
to optimize it or get ideal guests on. We were
just trying to play with it, see if we can create
a system, and it started flowing really well.
So then we started narrowing down who you're
gonna have on the podcast and we're working on
optimizing it now for a wider reach Now that
we have our systems in place But the goal of
it is to really show people and they they have
to actually have a net worth of a specific number
Before they can be on the show and they have
to be very conscious people and they have to
take care of themselves because You'd be surprised
how many multi millionaires out there who are
wanting to impact the world. They are conscious,
they're co -creators with humanity and they're
really trying to help. But people tend to see
multi -millionaires as, oh, you've always had
it easy. No, a lot of times they've spent decades
working on themselves so they could make the
millions so they can help more, right? And so
that's what those are for. So moving forward.
There's going to be different kinds of people
like the guests on the on the shows. We've already
started. But the goal is to show like the average
person. Right. No, you are you are a high achiever.
You do have high potential. You are ready to
evolve. And this is what's waiting for you. But
you have to do the work. Yeah. Right. Like if
you want to be a boss of your own life and you
want to be a multimillionaire, you have to do
the work. Which is amazing. And I'm glad that
you said it that way. First of all, I'm creating
that for myself, first of all. Secondly, I think
there can be so much just collaboration with
just a conscious way of being if you have millions,
billions, or thousands. You know what I'm saying?
Or nothing. Or nothing. do this thing together
this whole human human uh just just humankind
right we can we can have a different way of being
a different life um if we just step tap into
that that conscious way of being absolutely i
believe that um man i don't want to get off but
here we go So, how can other people in our audience
get in touch with you and connect with you? Absolutely.
The fastest way is obviously online. Dr. Jacqueline
Campbell, and don't spell out the doctor at drjacquelinecampbell
.com. That's my website. But I'm also on social
media, Instagram and Facebook under Vision Expansio
and LinkedIn. Just look for Dr. Jacqueline Campbell,
NDLPCS. Those are my credentials, so it's in
the name. But I'm here if anybody has any questions
or needs resources, needs to be pointed into
the right direction. But at the end of the day,
I have so many books and there's videos out there.
There's frequency music that you can just look
on YouTube right now. If anybody wants executive
coaching, if they want to build wealth for themselves,
but make sure that they're doing it in a fulfilling
way, not in a stressful hustle kind of way. I
am still seeing clients, but it all comes down
to them needing to work on their past. So it
doesn't hold them back, elevate their emotional
intelligence, which means you have to regulate
your emotions and also feel them. You can't just
cut them off, but then you have to do the hard
work to get there. Like it is so possible, but
you can't see your future clearly if you're stuck
in the past. Amen to that. There's a whole section
I had here to talk about your books and how that
all connected. No worries, an hour is not enough.
It's not enough. An hour is not enough. Man,
I truly thank you for being on the podcast and
sharing your wisdom, your life story, just everything
that you bring to humanity. So thank you. so
much for being who you are, being a contribution
to the world, and just sharing yourself on the
podcast. So thank you. Thanks. Yeah, absolutely.
You know, I live for these conversations, you
know. I truly live for these conversations. And
so my producer, Vaughn, she knows, you know,
first of all, the podcast itself, what we're
working to do. But she knows the kind of conversation
that thrive off of and yeah. Yeah. Thank you.
I love it. Um and so thank you. Thank you. Thank
you and as we always say, uh let's make thriving
our new normal and I'll see you on the next podcast.