From time to time, I like to revisit conversations
that stay with me long after the microphone has
turned off, conversations that had substance,
conversations that hit on something real about
the human condition. And this right here, this
conversation is one of them. So over the next
few weeks, I'm bringing back a handful of episodes
that I believe deserve another listen, not because
they were popular, but because the message is
still relevant, incredibly relevant to where
people find themselves today. So people today
really are thinking or rethinking their careers,
they are rethinking their purpose, and they're
rebuilding their life after disruption. And when
I think about conversations that speak directly
to that moment, the one I had with Shane Perry
immediately came to my mind. So Shane has spent
decades studying something that affects every
one of us. The question is, why do people say
they want more out of life, but then quietly
stay inside the same patterns year after year.
So Shane has built successful businesses. He's
mentored people who became financially independent.
And over time, he began to see something very
clearly, which is it is not that people do not
want success. It is that most people never challenge
the comfort zone that keeps them exactly where
they are. So in this conversation, Shane talks
about something I think is incredibly incredibly
important, especially right now, the idea that
growth requires disruption, not chaos for the
sake of chaos, but a willingness to interrupt
the habits, the thinking and the patterns that
quietly keep us playing small. One of the one
thing that really stood out to me as well is
when we record this episode was his perspective
on the 90 day cycle instead of thinking about
success. as some distant event down the road,
he encourages people to focus on 90 day blocks,
where you set a target, build new habits around
that target, and then evaluate the results. It's
really simple, right? But it is powerful. And
another idea that stuck with me is what he calls
negative motivation. Sometimes the reason we
push forward is not because of what we want to
achieve, but because we reach a moment where
we refuse to stay where we are. It's like, it's
enough, we don't want anymore, right? And if
you've ever been through disruption in your life,
you know exactly what that moment feels like.
So as you listen to this conversation, I want
you to think about one question. One, where in
your life have you become comfortable where you
know you are capable of more? Because sometimes
the biggest change in a person's life begins
when they decide They're no longer willing to
live inside the same story over and over again.
This is one of those conversations that will
challenge you to take a look at that right there
exactly. Okay, so let's revisit the conversation
with Shane Perry right now. I mean, what would
you say to your from now, the things that you
experienced? What would you tell that person
now? Well, I would. And again, this is a lot
of the system that I teach people with is, you
know, understanding that, you know, you need
to you need to set a goal. You need to understand
how to set goals. So I would have told the early
me sit down, define why you're here, set your
goal. And you need to understand that you're
struggling to get out of your comfort zone. OK,
so we're going to first figure out what are the
traits. What are your personality traits that
are keeping you from doing what you need to do?
Or what are the personality traits that are keeping
you stuck in your comfort zone? And for me, as
I mentioned, I'm a procrastinator, I have a fear
of rejection, I care too much about what other
people think, and I'm easily distracted. So then
you need to create an, I would say create an
action plan, get on a schedule. And at the end
of the day, that you should cultivate your goals.
Okay. So let's say it's something entrepreneurial.
You want to drive your income to a new level
or if it's a diet, you want to lose 20 pounds,
whatever. When you get to that point where your
income is where you'd like it to be, or you've
lost the weight, what will have changed with
you? What will have changed? Are you wearing
different clothes? Are you buying a new car?
What, whatever it is, I encourage, honestly,
a vision board or a dream board. And this stuff,
again, a lot of people look at the stuff and
they go, well, that's kind of corn. Yeah, but
people that think it's corny are people that
typically... When you're in an environment that
doesn't support you, in whatever it is that you're
trying to manifest in your life, it can be more
difficult. But not everybody knows how to create
the environment or create the mindset to shift
their mindsets. Stay focused? And stay focused,
yes. Well, like you just said, just the awareness
of understanding why you're feeling, that you
are feeling these feelings right now, that maybe
you're discouraged. Maybe you feel like you're
on an island all by yourself and you don't have
the support. Maybe you don't feel like you're
getting the results that you really expected
to be getting by now. Well, obviously, if that's
the case, most people never achieve the life
they dream about, not because they like talent,
but because they're trapped by fear, by doubt,
by the patterns they don't even know they're
repeating. But what makes Shane Perry's story
different is what came after success. He built
a seven -figure business, created one of the
most successful sales organizations in his industry,
and helped countless others do the same. Then,
his life changed forever. After unimaginable
personal loss, Shane didn't shut down. He stepped
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Let's get ready to, you know, shift our mindset,
crush our goals today and disrupt the cycle of
mediocrity. Because today we're talking to Shane
Perry. And I know we had a little conversation,
but Shane, how are you doing today? I'm doing
great, Michael. Thanks a lot for having me. I
really appreciate it. Absolutely. Like I said
before, in the green room, as I call it. I'm
happy to have you on, you know, did research
about you and found out, I was like, man, this
is an extraordinary individual and I'm glad to
have him on. I just want to know today, with
everything that's going on, how are you experiencing
life today? Personally, life is great. Life is
great. I mean, like a lot of entrepreneurs, I
built a business and it took care of me and I'm
living the free and financially independent life
and really focusing on disruption factor and
helping people and just spending time with my
adult kids and just enjoying life. It's good.
Yeah. Yeah. See, I like that answer. I like the
fact you can experience that. And I asked that
question because, you know, I talked to people
and it's not that answer. You know, it's more
of the, you know, kind of the what was me and
I like to find out like how people are really
experiencing life. Because you might be standing
next to one person and they're experiencing life
completely different. And I mean, you know, before
we get to what it means to disrupt, you know,
and what that factor is all about. You spent,
you have an incredible year, career, like 35
years I see here. What inspired you to become
an entrepreneur? Well, back then, I was 21 years
old when I was introduced to an opportunity.
And for me, it was just pure logic based. You
know, I knew that I did not want a boss. I hated
having a boss already at the young age of 21.
And to me, I just wanted freedom. It really wasn't
about the money. It was freedom. I didn't want
to have a boss, I wanted to do my own thing.
And so when I got that opportunity, you know,
I obviously I went for it. But my primary drive
was I just wanted the freedom. It was more important
than the money to me. Yeah, you know, that's
when I look at the generation now, I feel like
this is what their whole their their their thing
is like, I don't want to boss, I want to work
for myself. And I'm building my business for
you know, my younger generation if they they
choose to, you know, take it on but In the earlier
days that you had, you had some struggles in
the beginning. What were those struggles and
how did you face them? The business I've got
involved in, obviously like most businesses,
it had to do with some sales. It had to do with
prospecting, talking to people. Honestly, I was
scared to death to talk to people. I had an intense
fear of rejection. very concerned about what
everybody thought. So I was a really slow starter
because I just couldn't get out of my own way.
And that's that's part of what helped create
the system eventually that allowed me to be successful.
And that system is now what I teach through disruption
factor to other entrepreneurs and fitness and
everything else. But for me, it was just a real
fear of rejection, fear of what people were going
to think, what people were going to say. I'm
a natural procrastinator. And I'm easily distracted.
So those, those four things do not combine. Well,
if you're in a business where you're 10 99, you're
self -employed, you need to find the motivation.
And it entails a lot of talking to people and
prospecting. So finally it just got to a point
where I just like, Hey, you know, I've got to
plant my feet and just go do it. And I just forced
myself to go do what I needed to do. And of course,
like most of the time you realize that. You've
been building it up for nothing. It's not that
hard. You know, people don't think anything.
It's, you know, rejection's okay. And then I
just got out of my way and just kind of took
off with it at that point. What was that shift
though? Like, so if, like, I'm thinking, I will,
I was a procrastinator, but I would, I'm a creative,
right? So things have to flow a certain way.
Things have to, you know, be aligned a certain
way for me to feel like I got the move. I don't
act that way anymore, but that was, that was
a thing for me. What was it? What was the thing
for you? that said, you know what, you know,
I am a procrastinator, but I'm going to move
forward with my life anyway, with what I'm choosing.
Simple, because I finally got to a point where
I'm like, look, what am I going to do? Go back
and get a job. I was delivering beer for a living.
That's the only job I didn't go to college. And
I have two jobs in my whole life. I worked at
a gun range and I delivered beer. And I'm like,
if I don't make this happen, I'm going to end
up having to go get a job. And there's just no
way. So I was more scared by that. Mm hmm. Scared
at the prospect of what if I don't do this versus
excited about the prospect of what if I do it
and all the financial rewards that could come.
So I just finally got to a point where I felt
I had no choice. I've got to go get it done.
And I did just you know, you just push through
it. You push through. So I really wish I would
have known then what I know now would have been
a lot easier. Right? Yeah. So I mean, what would
you say to your from now the things that you
experienced? What would you tell that person
now? Well, I would. And again, this is a lot
of the system that I teach people with is, you
know, understanding that, you know, you need
it. You need to set a goal. You need to understand
how to set goals. So I would have told the early
me sit down, define why you're here, set your
goal. And you need to understand that you're
struggling to get out of your comfort zone. OK,
so we're going to first figure out what are the
traits. What are your personality traits that
are keeping you from doing what you need to do?
Or what are the personality traits that are keeping
you stuck in your comfort zone? And for me, as
I mentioned, I'm a procrastinator. I have a fear
of rejection. I care too much about what other
people think and I'm easily distracted. So then
you need to create an, I would say, create an
action plan, get on a schedule. And at the end
of the day, there is no magic pill. You just,
for my situation, you just literally have to
go out and start doing it. You got to tackle
it head on. And you're going to realize that
all of the stuff that you've been built up in
your head is not as big as you think it is. There's
a saying that thinking sucks, but doing is awesome.
So stop thinking and just go do it right. Cause
even if I would have told myself, even when you
go do it, even if you have a bad day, you get
no yeses, you get, you get nowhere, but you did
it. You're going to feel good about yourself
because you did it. You know, and so a lot of
that coaching is what I would give someone in
my situation back then who knows what they want
to do. But they're just wondering why they're
not doing it. Yeah. Was there a mentality shift
for you? And if that was a short was but what
was when you recognize that you're you're, you
know, you procrastinate, you're you have a fear
of what people think about you and the others
like when you recognize that Does that make a
difference? Sure. You know, to be real honest
with you, Michael, I was so young, I didn't recognize
it. It took years later looking back to realize
these are the things that really held me back.
In the meantime, during the moment, I wasn't
sitting there saying, well, my fear of rejection
and my fear of this, I didn't, I just knew like,
I want to go do it, but I would find myself just
putting it off and putting it off. And then at
the month would come and go. And then I'd agonize
over, man, I really didn't do anything. You know,
what if my dad is right and I should have never
quit my job? Then we get in our heads, you know,
but, but there was definitely a mental shift
when I started doing it, of course, because once
you start doing it, you realize it's not as bad
as you, as you built it up to be. And then you
realize, I mean, you start seeing some results,
then of course it just kind of goes. Yeah. I
think for me, when I, when I When I choose to
make a move to move forward in whatever I choose
to do, I think I'm result driven. I have to see
a result. or otherwise I'm like moving and moving
and moving. And then I, then it's like, you know,
what am I moving for? What am I moving towards?
Uh, what would you say to somebody who, who is
moving towards something or building something,
but they don't see the results, you know, right
away? I would say, if I could take it back just
a second, I would say the kind of a synopsis
here. There's five areas of our life. There's
relational, spiritual, recreational, financial
or business, entrepreneurship, and physical,
which is typically fitness and diet. So those
are the five areas of our life. When we decide
that we want to take, say one of those areas
and we want to improve it, or we want to take
it to a new level. So let's say you're an entrepreneur
and you're starting a business or you want to
lose some weight. What people first of all don't
realize is that it requires you to set a goal.
A lot of people don't set goals. They just say,
I want to lose weight. They get started with
something, but sitting down and, you know, writing
down your goals, you know, 92 % of people who
set goals in the world either don't achieve them
or even if they do, they revert back. to where
they were. So that can get discouraging when
people hear it level. So you're saying I have
an 8 % chance. No, that's not true. But if you
understand why this happens to people, so why
does this happen? Well, first of all, they don't
know how to properly set goals. Secondly, they
don't write them down. They don't cultivate their
goals and they don't create an action plan. But
then comes down to what you're talking about
here. Seeing those results. People need to understand
we've all heard of the comfort zone and that's
really my specialty on honestly is all things
comfort zone. But you can go on social media
and see all the circles, comfort zone, fear zone,
growth zone, and all that. But rarely, if ever,
do you find someone that actually defines, like,
this is what it is. But let's talk about how
you built that comfort zone. Because it was built
over years of habits and routines and a paradigm.
And in its simplest form, your paradigm is your
worldview at something. So let's say that you
want to lose weight. And your paradigm is...
Well, I've been heavy my whole life. I've tried
diets before. Most of them don't work. Even the
ones that did work. I ended up gaining it back,
but I'm going to give this one a shot. So your
parent on your worldview is already not good
and this contributes towards your comfort zone
and we can get into that later. But when it comes
to goals, goals have a couple things. Every goal
has a couple things in common and the one that
you're talking about pretty much every goal.
The one thing it has in common is you're usually
never where you thought you'd be when you thought
you'd be there. Right. Right. And so that right
there causes people, you know, I want I joined
a diet, I started dieting, and I cleaned out
my refrigerator, and I started exercising, I'm
going to bed hungry, and I'm getting caffeine
headaches, because I'm not drinking soda. And
I thought I wanted to lose 10 pounds in my first
month, and I lost a pound and a half. And it's
like, discouraging, and they revert back you
have to put so be preparing. for that, preparing
that you're probably not going to be where you
thought you'd be when you thought you'd be there,
but you also have to work it in 90 day cycles.
I believe and I teach people that how to build
your life in 90 day cycles, not 30 days, not
two weeks, 90 days. Then the goal is to move
your life or that area, whatever area you're
specifically trying to improve, just move that
area forward every 90 days. Understanding that
when you first get started, The first 30 days
is typically when all the pain comes, right?
You're uncomfortable. You're facing your cup.
You're out of your comfort zone. You're not seeing
the success that you thought you would see, but
you're putting in all the work and sacrifice
and it could be discouraging, but you've got
to get yourself on a 90 day cycle. By the end
of the 90 days, you're probably not going to
be where you thought you'd be. or you hope you'd
be at that time. But I promise you, you will
have moved that area forward and you will have
seen results if you understand certain things.
So that was a long protracted answer to your
question. I'm sorry about that. But yeah, don't
be sorry. It was perfect because I mean, you
went deeper than what I originally, you know,
right? But what was so great? There's a lot of
things I wrote here. First of all, 90 days like
you choose 90 days. Why? And the thing One of
the things that I thought my mind went to right
away was habit. Like maybe we are creating something
new and then we bring the old habit with us.
But since we got to bring the whole habit with
us, we have to break that habit. And that 90
day cycle may help reform what the habit is in
order to get to the goal that we're trying to
get to. Yeah, that that does have a lot to do
with it. 90 days, you're going to create new
habits, new routines, what was uncomfortable
will not be as uncomfortable anymore. And usually,
whether it's entrepreneurship, or any of the
five areas of our life, it takes about 90 days
to start seeing some real results. You know,
it's at the end of 90 days, if you if you created
the plan, you work the plan, you were diligent
at the end of 90 days, you will be able to look
back and say, I am not where I was 90 days ago.
Maybe I'm not where I thought I'd be. But I'm
definitely not where I used to be. And that's
exciting for people. If it's anything less, if
it's 30 days, if it's 45 days, it's typically
not enough to allow the results aspect to kick
in. And they think too short term. All they're
seeing is I've been doing this for a month. Nothing's
happening. It's just not working. I give up.
Mm -hmm. So 90 days to do that build it and and
it's also a good time like if you want to You
know, you're already doing something you maybe
you're already in business You're doing something
and now you want to take it to a new level 90
days is a good Okay, I'm gonna kick off a 90
-day plan here and it's a good time You can go
do a sprint you can put your blinders on for
90 days and make the necessary Changes create
those new habits and start seeing some results
at the beginning of those 90 days would it would
What would the? beginning look like? Do they
write something whiteboard? Do you just say it
in your head? Like, what is that thing that will
help begin the paradigm shift of who they see
themselves being in the first of that, the first
90 day or the beginning of the 90 days to when
they're going through the 90 days to the other
side? Yes. Well, it starts by understanding,
as I mentioned, that whatever it is you're trying
to do, it requires a goal to be set. So you actually
have to write down the goal. And as though I
believe you should surround yourself with your
goal, but if you just write it that the act of
writing a goal down typically is enough to solidify
it into you. Write it down, write down 90 day
goals, six month goal, and like a 12 month or
a 12 month and then a 24 month goal. Where do
I want to be in 90 days? This is what you said
with the whiteboard. Then I'm a real believer
and I teach my clients that you should cultivate
your goals. Let's say it's something entrepreneurial.
You want to drive your income to a new level
or if it's a diet, you want to lose 20 pounds,
whatever. When you get to that point where your
income is where you'd like it to be or you've
lost the weight, What will have changed with
you? What will have changed? Are you wearing
different clothes? Are you buying a new car?
Whatever it is, I encourage, honestly, a vision
board or a dream board. Again, a lot of people
look at the stuff and they go, well, that's kind
of corny. Yeah, but people that think it's corny
are people that have typically never achieved
anything in their lives. Winners don't think
it's corny. Winners are going to say, you need
to write down goals and you should surround yourself
with it. If when you're making $150 ,000 a year,
you're going to buy this car and live in this
house, then you you should have pictures of those
cars and those houses on your bathroom mirror,
in your purse, on the dashboard of your car.
You need to cultivate it, not only to inspire
and motivate, but to remind you what you're doing,
because you're gonna have a lot of bad days too,
and you're gonna kind of forget what you're here
for. So writing down the goals, cultivating those
goals, surrounding yourself with them is everything.
Yes, absolutely, to help push you and remind
you. And honestly, I'm a big believer, and I
mentioned this a little bit in my own story,
but I teach people the concept of negative motivation.
And this is something, as you know, that in the
self -improvement, you know, personal development
space, everything is typically, you need to be
positive. Positive's in, positive, and I agree,
you need to be positive. But I agree in negative
motivation. Negative motivation is like, okay,
let's go back to the diet and fitness. You started
your diet. A couple months go by, you've lost
a little weight, but it's not that easy. You
haven't lost as much as you thought, but it's
going. And then you have those moments like we
all do that. You think like, you know, I don't
feel like walking today. I don't feel like going
to the gym. It's going to be okay. Maybe, you
know, I'm trying not to drink during the week,
but maybe it's okay if I do today. People get
so caught up and you need to be motivated about
how great you're going to feel when you lose
your weight and you're able to wear those clothes.
But they don't remind them of, okay, imagine
this. Imagine you stop right now. How are you
gonna feel six months, a year, two years down
the road when you look in the mirror and you
have this thought for a split second and this
thought is, where would I be right now if I just
wouldn't have stopped? And that thought sends
a chill down your spine. That's a horrible, and
that's called negative motivation. Like if I
don't continue this, how am I gonna feel a year
down the road? When I have that one moment thinking
where would I be right now if I just would have
kept going that right there that That will keep
people going way more than the idea of how great
my life's gonna be should I achieve it. I think
Tony Robbins talks about that. He says people
will fight harder at the fear of losing than
they will at the idea of success. So I'm the
big believer in cultivating that negative motivation
in terms of I've gotta keep going because if
I don't keep going, I'm gonna be really upset
with myself and I'm not gonna be happy. Yeah,
I think that's probably what I'm somewhat motivated
by. Because I have that, you know, when I see
growth in my business or growth with what I'm
doing, and then there's moments where I'm like,
ah, you know what I mean? I just want to kind
of quit or choose something else. But since I've,
you know, grown this thing to such a level, like,
if I stopped, like, why would I do that? How
if I keep going, you know, you never know what
it's gonna be like on the other side. Going since
I I've grown it this much. it can still go go
go further, you know, and so I think I'm motivated
by like, the fact that I see something possible,
you know, and not having that possibility really
messes me up if I don't, if I don't, you know,
keep going. Well, I think it's fair to say, Michael,
that you're you're a natural probably achiever
anyways. I mean, the stuff that you've done is
crazy as it might be. Most people don't think
that way. Most people will get excited about
something. And then they wake up the next morning
thinking of all the reasons why it isn't, why
they shouldn't and why they can't, you know,
and they've tried things before and they fail.
So they got this paradigm. They're, they're not
prepared to leave their comfort zone. They've
heard of the comfort zone. They don't understand
it. And they're definitely not prepared for what's
going to hit them when they leave it. And that's
a huge part of what I teach people is being prepared
for that obviously. So they don't retreat. Yeah.
You talk about the comfort zone. And I think
I personally, um, As far as back as I can remember,
I don't think I've ever been comfortable, comfortable.
I've been in a comfortable, comfortable, I can't
even say it, comfortable zone. But then I feel
like when I'm in that zone, there's something
else to be done, you know, or there's somewhere
where I can grow or manifest something, you know,
greater in my life. And when people get stuck
in that comfort zone, is that because of habit?
Or is it because of the paradigm that they created
for themselves? What is what is that? Yeah, well,
the comfort zone is it is your biggest enemy.
It is the enemy to your success in any area of
your life that you want to improve or take to
a new level. Your comfort zone is the enemy of
your success and people see it everywhere. As
I mentioned, they know they have one. But yes,
it was built over the years through habits and
routines. surrounded, we all typically are hang
out with people that are just like us. So that's
part of the comfort zone. If you're if you hang
around people that are just like you, no one's
putting any pressure on you to improve yourself
because you all live essentially the same lives,
right? So that's when you leave that it's not
comfortable. And of course, our worldview, you
know, you look at entrepreneurship, for example,
we've been taught as a society that you go to
school and you get a job, and you should be happy
with that job. It doesn't matter that if you
go out into your world and look around, you're
gonna see that almost everybody that you know
or know of that has the best lives, the most
freedom, the nicest cars, the biggest homes,
the best vacations, almost all of them are entrepreneurs,
self -employed. So we don't connect the dots
that if living an ideal life is to be an entrepreneur,
why are we taught from the time we're kids to
be employees, right? So that's a comfort zone.
So when you wake up one day and whether you decide
to start a business, Join a business, whatever
it may be, but you you have the goal of entrepreneurship.
I want to make more money. I want to create more
time, more freedom. I'm going to leave my job.
You're immediately hit with a lot of obstacles,
and that's the disruption you see. So when you
talk about that's where disruption factor, the
name of my company came from, because when people
ask me, they say, Shane, what is the number one
reason that when people embark on a goal and
then give up? And go back to their comfort zone.
In other words, where they were before they embarked
on their goal. What is the reason? Absolutely
100 % the biggest reason is they are not prepared
for the disruption that's going to occur when
they leave that comfort zone. So, you know, again,
diet and fitness, right? You're out of shape.
You're a little heavy. Let's say you want to
lose weight so you get fired up. You clean out
your refrigerator. You clean out your pantry.
You're not going to drink soda. You're going
to eat better. You're going to exercise. That
exercise might just be you walk, you know, walking
a mile a day, three days a week. Might not even,
but it's something. Well, when you embark on
that. You're excited, but the first thing you
get hit is the disruption to your life, to your
routines, to your habits, right? You're going
to bed hungry and that sucks. You're getting
caffeine headaches and that's no fun. You're
trying, you know, we're all busy already. So
you're trying to carve out time to go do it.
And that's not easy. And then of course, because
it's fitness, you know, after the first week
or after the first few days, you're so sore,
you can't even brush your teeth, right? It's
nothing but discomfort and it's disruption and
not. Not to mention the fact, like we mentioned
earlier, that you pushed through that 30 days,
let's say, went by and you've done everything
you're supposed to do. It's not comfortable.
You're getting killed and you've lost one pound.
You see, so they're just not prepared for this.
And meanwhile, you got to remember that comfort
zone where you were before you embarked on this
is sitting there saying, Michael, come on back.
It's nice here. Remember you were comfortable
here. You weren't sore. Nobody was talking about
you. Nobody, you know, you weren't doing uncomfortable
things. If it's entrepreneurship, like with me,
I was delivering beer. Next thing you know, I
get into business where I have to call people
up and try to set appointments. That was the
most uncomfortable thing I've ever had to do
in my life. It was so uncomfortable that I avoided
it for the long. which is why I didn't have a
whole lot of success. You know, so getting people
to, so one of the exercises that I'll do for
people, that I'll have people do that's in the
work, because I'll say, okay, I want you to try
to define areas of disruption. What do you think
that disruption is gonna look like? Michael,
if you've never worked out a day in your life
and your goal is fitness and I'm your guy, and
I say, okay, Michael, we're gonna talk about
this. This is what you're gonna do. What do you
think are some areas of disruption? You might
say, well, I think I'm probably gonna get pretty
sore, because my body's not used to this. I think
I'm gonna probably, have cravings, it's gonna
be hard not to eat my favorite foods. If you
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toward thriving. Okay, so talking to talking
it out or talking about it will help motivate
out motivate someone to get outside outside of
that comfort zone. Because when I'm thinking
when you said all that, I was like, I just when
I find myself moving forward or outside of the
comfort zone or challenging myself, I just found
myself not wanting to go back to whatever it
was. And sometimes, well, let's talk about diet
and fitness or whatever. Like, you know, athlete,
growing up as an athlete, you know, did well
as an athlete, but then I'm 48 now, right? So
it's like, Oh, well, I can kind of let this go,
you know, but I'll get to a certain point where
I'm like, Oh, this is not working. I know the
feeling. It's sitting like somebody's grandpa.
You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I cannot
deal with that. You know what I mean? And there's
that those moments that we'll say, you know,
like, all right, time out, bro. It's time to
I like the word to use is disrupt that behavior
and that habit. And do you do you find people
really you want to disrupt whatever those habits
are and that that that comfort zone, but live
or deal with limiting beliefs to get out of the
past and or not the past behavior and the into
the new way of being absolutely over it, you
know, success and failure in almost every area
comes down to a mentality. It is a mental thing.
You know, I there's almost nothing that you can't
do. The only reason you won't do it is because
of the mental process. For most things, I mean,
I can't I can't step on a Major League Baseball
diamond and hit a 95 mile an hour fastball. I
mean, that's not real. This we're talking about
improving our own lives here, not doing something
like that, right? But yeah, the limiting beliefs
100 % because of the paradigm. Again, the paradigm
and again, in its simplest form is just your
worldview on something. And that you talk about
entrepreneurship, for example, Michael, what
what if most of us 97 % of Americans you classify
as say, middle class or just not rich, we were
all taught certain beliefs, I call it the middle
class mentality. And part of that is things like,
hey, You should be happy with what you've got.
At least you have a roof over your head. You
know, a lot of people would love to have your
job. You know, people like us don't make it right.
Things like that that we've that's been drilled
into us. So when we talk about taking on an entrepreneurial
venture and maybe dramatically changed in my
life, making a lot more money and freedom, everything
that we've been taught, every way we've been
brought up has had us believe like people like.
us don't do that. I should be happy with what
I've got and it's a and it's hard to overcome.
So the way you get that mental shift to happen
is you've got to put in those 90 -day cycles
when you start seeing some results because you
know what happens when you start seeing some
results and some little successes man oh man
does that fire you up that ignites you all of
a sudden it's like you know First 90 days, I
lost a pound and a half or two, this sucks. And
all of a sudden you're like, oh my gosh, I just
lost five pounds. Or your business has its first
real good bump, you know, and you're like, wow,
I can do this and it works. And then you're going
and what you mentioned a second ago about how
if you stop, you'll kind of get uncomfortable.
You can't stay there. Well, a lot of that has
to do with, and this is another thing that I
teach people is ultimate. What is the goal when
you talk about comfort zones? The goal is to
ultimately build a new comfort zone. And that
new comfort zone happens through the habits and
the routines, doing what you need to do, getting
a couple 90 day cycles out of your belt, seeing
some results, seeing some successes. You realize
you're not struggling with what you used to struggle
with when you started. Then what happens is if
something happens, let's say fitness, right?
I got, I'm like you, I didn't like how I felt.
Four years ago, I'm 57 years old. Four years
ago, I got back in the gym. I'm right now in
probably the best physical shape of my life,
other than when I was a student athlete or something.
But I realized about nine months into my fitness
routine, four years ago, I was traveling, I was
in Nashville, and we just having fun. And all
of a sudden, like four or five days into the
trip, I realized I'm kind of grumpy, I'm not
really happy. I'm like, what's wrong with me?
And I realized, you know what, I'm frustrated
because I haven't exercised. And then right,
because I know this stuff, right then I knew
that I won. because I realized I have created
a new comfort zone that I'm only comfortable
if I'm doing the things required to stay on my
goal. And then that gets pulled from me. Now
I'm uncomfortable and I need to get back to it.
I'm traveling right now. And I've been to the
I've been, you know, I maintain a membership
at Planet Fitness. It's not my favorite gym,
but there's one wherever you go. And I've been
able to hit one the last two mornings, you know,
so it keeps it keeps keeps me happy, you know,
so ultimately you want to You will build a new
comfort zone. That is the goal, where you're
only comfortable if you're doing the things required.
to move that area of your life forward. These
are the same things that were extraordinarily
uncomfortable for you months ago when you first
started. When you get to that point where you've
got that new comfort zone built, it's going to
be a great day because you're going to realize
that it's over. It's no longer a matter of if,
it's just a matter of when at this point. You
shifted from one comfort zone to a new one. You're
feeling great, feeling awesome. now you're at
this new space and it's great for a while but
then isn't there something that in within the
person I'm saying you know what okay this is
great now it's time to elevate to another yeah
most of the time once you be once you become
an achiever and you start winning at whatever
that is yeah you it is most likely you're going
to keep pushing yourself and that's just healthy
it's just good you can always get better you
know when started with losing weight now it's
you know now it's riding a bike And now it's,
it's running and now it's running a mini marathon.
And now I want to run my first marathon, you
know, whether it's any area of your life, that's
typically what's going to happen. And it's good
because I will tell you this, Michael, and I'm
sure you understand this, but as a species, as
a human species, we're not built to settle. We
are built for adventure and risk. Now, not crazy
risk, you know, don't go try to play Frogger
across the freeway type of a risk. But like,
we're not built to settle. We're not built to
stay in one place. We're built for the next adventure
and to push ourselves. So when you take on the
idea of I want to set a goal I want to achieve,
well, that's when you're going to start coming
alive, because everyone will tell you that when
you don't want to do it, the days that you don't
want to do it, but you do it anyways, are the
days that you feel the absolute best about yourself.
Because that's how we're built. We're built to
push ourselves. Now in those days when you lack
the self confidence or just the willingness and
you're doubting yourself, how do you silence
those voices? I guess y 'all you could say voices.
I don't know. I don't want to make it seem crazy.
But you know, the voices in our head. Sure. I
teach a lot of mental winning a lot of the mental
aspect of it. And one of them is you want to
feel the competitiveness in you. We all have
a competitor inside of us. Some are a lot more
competitive than others. But even if you're not
that competitive, there's a competitive bone
in you. And you need to cultivate that. One of
the areas to get through what you're talking
about is just to remind yourself of what would
most people do right now. You can live your whole
life based on what would most people do. And
you do the opposite, you're probably going to
win. And I'm not putting people down. But most
people don't take care of themselves physically.
Most people don't push themselves to maybe break
out of the middle income mentality and try to
go maybe build a legacy by building a business
or being an entrepreneur or, you know, everybody
wants to make a lot of money, but very few people
are willing to do anything about it. Everybody
wants to be in there, be their fittest in terms
of their physique, but very few anything to do.
So when you have those moments where you're like,
I just don't want to do it or I'm not feeling
up to it. or i'm wondering or i'm actually wondering
like do i want to keep doing then you just need
to remind yourself what would most people do
right now most people would take the easy way
out most people when most people don't feel like
doing something they're not going to do it so
therefore i'm going to do it and that's how i'm
going to win And that's how I'm not going to
be like most people. That's just one little mental
aspect that you can use to fuel that and catch
yourself. The key to a lot of this is just becoming
aware of the things that you and I are talking
about today. If people just become aware of this
stuff, they will catch themselves having those
moments going, oh, it's one of those days. I'm
making excuses. I don't feel like it. I got to
go do it. Yeah. That's simple. Very simple. But
a lot of people miss it. Just the awareness of
you know, either how they're feeling what they're
thinking or, you know, whatever it may be. It's
just the acknowledgement of the awareness, I
think. And then causing the cells to make the
shift or whatever it may be. Yeah, you. And also
cultivating, like you talk about cultivating
a positive and growth oriented, I would say environment,
but then you said mindset, how does one begin
to do that for themselves when they're in the,
in the, in the midst of, you know, cultivating
themselves to be in a greater space. Um, uh,
let me, I'm not sure I understand. So how do
they, like when they're just getting started?
Either when they're getting, even if they're
getting started or they're in the middle of it,
like, you know, when I would just say it this
way, when you're in an environment that doesn't
support you, um, and whatever it is that you're
trying to manifest in your life, it could be
more difficult. But not everybody knows how to
create the environment or create the mindset
to shift their mindsets. Stay focused and stay
focused. Yes. Well, like you just said, just
the awareness of understanding why you're feeling
that you are feeling these feelings right now
that maybe you're discouraged. Maybe you'll feel
like you're on an island all by yourself and
you don't have the support. Maybe you don't feel
like you're getting the results that you really
expected to be getting by now. Well, obviously,
if that's the case, then analyze what it is that
you're doing. Maybe you need to alter your plan
a little bit. If you created an action plan and
you've been at it a few months and you're not
getting the results at all, well then maybe you
need to change up what you're doing, obviously.
But in terms of staying on it, just understand
that not every day is a great day. All of us
have days where we just don't feel like doing
it, or we just don't feel... as confident as
we normally do. We all have days where we question
things. Am I crazy to do this? Can I even do
this? Should I just settle with where I'm at
right now instead of continuing to push myself?
And I would just try to rekindle that fire that
got you started in the first place. Whatever
this goal is, why did you want to break out of
where you were? What was it? What were you running
from? Not running, what were you leaving behind?
Because that's another thing I teach you. What
is it that you're leaving behind? In fact, like
you want to lose weight. OK, forget the lose
weight. I've I've beat that one enough. You're
going to start a business or join a business
and entrepreneurial venture. OK, we have these
goals. I have a goal. I want to be my own boss
and I want to triple my income and have a better
life. I'd like my wife to be able to stay home
and provide a legacy for my kids. OK, that that's
we got that. But what is it that you're leaving
behind? I can't stand having a boss. I hate fighting
traffic in the morning. I hate that I don't have
the freedom and someone's telling me what to
do. I hate that I have to ask for time off to
even go to one of my kids baseball games. And
I'm tired of trying to live this life the best
that I can and do it within the parameters of
what they're willing to pay me. And I can't drive
my income. That's what I'm leaving behind. Remind
yourself what it is that you're leaving behind
that's caused you to want to embark on this goal
to improve that area of your life. And if you
remind yourself of that, it might not make you
feel any better, but it's gonna it's gonna strengthen
your resolve to keep going. That's for sure.
And most importantly, it's gonna keep you from
falling back to that original comfort zone and
just being like everybody else you wanted out
of that for a reason. Yeah, there's some grit
that has to happen to right? Yeah. Well, you
got to dig deep somewhere at some point somewhere
along the line. And just dig and get the grit.
I don't know. There is that moment. Look, there's
a moment in every Goal that anyone ever sets
there's a moment where people give up. A lot
of them don't even realize they give up. They
just kind of stop and it fades away. You will
encounter that moment. It's part of the growth
process. You will come to that moment where most
people give up and that's where the grit that
you're talking about. That's where you gotta
say no, no, no, no. I will not be like most people.
Most people would stop right now. I will not.
And that's how I'm going to go. And again, a
lot of it does come down to just, like you mentioned,
having the awareness and understanding. I mean,
if everybody could just naturally understand
that I live my life in a comfort zone. I now
want to do this. I'm going to have to leave that
comfort zone behind. And when I do, I'm going
to face massive disruption to my life, my lifestyle,
my habits and routines. This is what that description
is going to probably look like. And when I hit
that disruption, most people would stop. and
go back to their comfort zone. I won't and this
is how I'm going to do it because the other comfort
zone that I need to build is over there and I'm
going to get to that. If they had this kind of
awareness going into it, it would not be only
8 % of people in the world achieve goals. It'd
be 80 right, but they don't understand this stuff.
So that's why. They need to listen to things
like, like your podcast and stuff, because when
they do understand this, they're prepared for
it. And then they'll walk around going, well,
this is just one of those off days. I'm not worried
about it. It's okay. Everybody else has an off
day and they throw in the towel without realizing
it and just revert back to the way they used
to be. You talk about that night to eight. Um,
what's the key difference setting between setting
the goals and actually achieving them? Is there
like, uh, uh, A key difference between the two.
Yeah, there is between the the achievers and
the ones that don't achieve their goals. Yeah.
One of the most I actually read about this one
of the most there was a study that one of the
most significant factors that separates achievers
versus those that give up is what we talked about
a second ago is achievers are pretty they're
competitive. They don't think they're better
than anybody else. But they just don't want to
be like everybody else. They want to be different.
They're kind of they become contrarians. When
the crowd is moving one way, they're naturally
going to go another. And one of their biggest
fears in life is they just don't want to be a
face in the crowd and be like everybody else.
And again, they don't think they're better than
anybody else, but they just don't want to be
like everybody else. They want, you know, I don't
they kind of they have a different take on things.
They develop a different take on things. They
kind of create a different. 30 ,000 foot view
on life. They sit like they tell us to get it
to get a job and be happy. But I don't see a
lot of happy out there. And I see people working,
spending most of their hours of their waking
of their of their life working a job that most
of them don't like. And they and they think about
money all the time. And the only people that
think about money are those that don't have enough.
And most people don't have enough of me don't
have enough. It rules your life and you spend
your life chasing it because you don't have enough.
So these people kind of like well, that's no
way to live. Why wouldn't I be an entrepreneur?
Why wouldn't I want to go out and start a business?
They just they they kind of fight the trends,
if you will, and they're competitive. They want
they know that what they're doing right now in
any aspect, this goal they're pursuing, they
know most people wouldn't do it. And they know
that most people that give it a shot will give
up and won't see it through. And that drives
them. That moves them because. they're going
to do it just because they don't want to be like
most people. That's the number one factor that
people, the achievers versus those that just
go forward and then give up. I can see that.
Yeah. Yeah. And obviously they develop the things
we're talking, they develop the mental strength,
they develop the discipline and the motivation,
but the initial part that makes them embark and
go is that way. And all of this, like on the
other side of it, like you don't start out that
person being that person. When you begin the
journey, It's like a transformation that occurs.
And then I'll just put myself in the mix. When
I started the journey of entrepreneurship or
even as an actor, I was going through with as
a wide -eyed, oh, everything is great until you
go through the lessons and you go through the
trials and tribulations and the highs and the
lows. And then when I stop and I look at myself,
I'm like, man, I've grown so much. I'm a total
different person. And the person I came into
to be is much greater and stronger and, you know,
whatever attributes than the person I started
out started out as. So I would say, I mean, or
would you say that even on a journey through
achieving more, like just do it anyway, because
you because there's growth there as a human being
100 % you you will evolve as a person you're
going to you're going to become a better you
that's a fact you're going to experience things
that you haven't experienced before you're going
to suffer setbacks that you need to suffer through
you're going to have a lot of wins and accomplishments
and especially as you're on track to achieving
whatever goal that is you're going to feel good
about yourself but yeah you're going to develop
a wisdom and you're not going to be the same
person. When you achieve whatever this goal is
or you're on track to achieving it, there's going
to be a confidence that's going to develop about
you. You're going to feel better about yourself.
You're going to walk a little taller. You're
going to stick your chest out a little bit more.
You're going to feel good, your self -esteem.
your confidence, and of course, just your overall
understanding of what it is that we're doing
it. embarking on any type of a goal and sticking
to it and achieving it is one of the best adventures
that a human can do. Yeah, they really are. Because
you're gonna grow. Because you're gonna grow.
I mean, if you go back and look at episode one.
Sure, of this podcast is like, you know, I would
probably cringe at why do cringe when I do see
it. But it's like, Oh, God, you know, but I'm
able to have this kind of conversation with you
because I'm more able to be present. You know,
I have questions here, you know, available. I'm
able to be present and to have a conversation
that will translate to the people who are watching
and listening so that they can get value out
of what we're doing here. And today I sit a bit
stronger, a bit taller, a bit, you know, from
what I've experienced, you know, through this
journey. And so, you know, it's very appreciative
that I put myself in it. Absolutely. Yeah. We
talked about entrepreneurs. What is aspiring
entrepreneurs and setting goals? Like, what sets
them to, like, get results or lead sets their...
Let me say it this way. How do they set their
goals that would actually lead them to results?
Well, set your goals. You know your business,
whatever it is that you're trying to go achieve
here. So you need to set goals. If it's a business,
you probably need to set monthly goals. You know,
maybe even all the way down to a weekly goal
of what you what you're going to accomplish.
But you have to back those goals up with an action
plan, a doable action plan. And if you're in
a business where you have mentorship of some
way, shape or form, then you really need to tap
into that. Right. You want to, you know, in my
business that I built over the years, I used
to always get up and tell my folks that I was
mentoring and training. I would say, look, you
know, I had no one teaching me. I had to learn
everything the hard way. And I look at my existence
as I had across a minefield. And I did and I
made it and I was successful and I did cross
the minefield and I got blown up a lot along
the way. But on the way to succeeding, I cleared
a path. So if you can just be coachable and let
me help you and you follow that path, you can
get where I got in half the time. So if you have
mentorship, be coachable. Being coachable is
one of the best attributes you can do. Again,
if you're an entrepreneur and you're doing it
and you have someone that can help you, then
be coachable and create that action plan and
get their help to do it. 100%, you have to check
your ego at the door and your pride because you
have to be able to be working your plan. Working
towards your goal and you have to be able at
times to stop what you're doing turn around take
a real analytical view of what you're doing and
ask yourself a question is it working and if
it's not don't be afraid to admit it. Now look
for areas that you can change you know a lot
of people don't like a lazy lazy. person's answer
to everything entrepreneurial is I just need
to do more of what I'm doing. Well, that might
not be the case. Maybe what you're doing is not
the most efficient thing or not the best thing.
So be look, create an action plan. If you have
a mentor, tap into them and their experience
and be willing to make necessary changes along
the way to stay on track and keep achieving your
goal. Yeah, we had an episode talking about mentorship
and how important that is. analytics is important
too. And I'm a I'm more of a creative. when I
had to learn how to look at the analytics. And
as I look at analytics in every aspect of my
business, the podcast, all that kind of stuff,
it gets very interesting because there's some
artistry to it, to me. And I think that's, I
don't know, I like it. But I think it's, like
you said, it's really important to really measure,
you know, the success or the intention of whatever
goals to be set. Yeah. Um, I want to talk about,
um, disruption factor, but, uh, there's a couple
of things I want to know. You're, you're, you're,
you're doing great in your life and your business
and everything like that. Um, why you're pretty
much retired, right? Like you, you, you call
yourself retired. Why, why are you, why are you
doing this? Well, I'm doing this because. Well,
two reasons. First and foremost. I've seen what
this can do with this program and the system
can do for people. I've helped people achieve
goals that I, it's really prevalent in the fitness
community. Like I have an online course as a
primary factor that I have. I have an online
course and I have a lot of trainers across the
country that are affiliates that encourage their
people because it helps them. You really, really
big and it's mainly big in fitness and it mainly
helps people in entrepreneurship. I love helping
people. I really genuinely do. And this is how
I built my business. Five, six years when I started
achieving some success in my business early on,
I just couldn't understand why people just would
not get out of their own way. To go achieve and
I just couldn't stand and we're talking like
back back before the internet man. This is probably
like 1999 2000 right around there even earlier
that I was I was buying college psychology textbooks.
I just did a deep dive. I wanted to understand
what makes people tick what makes them think
and I didn't I got good at it and over the years
when I would do say a training class half of
it would be on the products and prospecting but
the other half would be on the stuff we're talking
about today. trying to get people to make a mental
shift to get out of their own way. And I ended
up building a very successful company and created
a lot of financially independent people. And
so when I, my first level of retirement, if you
will, was back in 2012 when I shut down my personal
office and just helped all the folks that I had
that had their own offices. And I really wasn't
doing as much. I started teaching this to some
friends that had real estate sales teams and
other teams like that. And I kind of dabbled
with it. It wasn't an official business yet,
but they knew what I did and they heard about
it. And then three years ago, this last December,
um, I, my 21, my 19 year old daughter passed
away. She had a seizure disorder when she was
11, she started having seizures and we thought
we had it under control. She had brain surgery,
was doing great. And then came home. December
4th of 2021 and she had had the big one and we
lost her and obviously when that happens it's
it's a massive shift in your life and one of
the things that came out of that shift. Was I
me realizing how much I love working with people
and how much I love helping people win and achieve
And that's when I decided a few months after
that to officially create disruption factor turn
this into a business Create the course become
a speaker and help and that's really so those
are the two driving forces That caused me to
do to really do this and I love it It's a lot
of fun and I love making an impact for people.
Yeah, I'm listening to you and The energy And
I will call it energy force, because there's
no force there. But it's the energy force that
you speak with and that you share with. From
what I'm experiencing, even though it's through
camera, there's heart to what you're sharing
with. And so I definitely appreciate you for
that. Can you share a story of someone that went
through disruption factor or experienced disruption
factor and, you know, they have a Amazing story
to tell or that you can tell for them. Yeah one
one of my affiliates actually her name is Jennifer
and she's a personal trainer and She's a good
friend of mine and she was my first affiliate
if you will, you know when the when I created
the course And the workbook and everything that
came out of it, you know, like most personal
trainers, they have two problems. The first problem
is finding clients. And the second problem is
getting them to keep their clients because their
clients are put in showing up, put in all this
work and killing themselves. And of course, they're
not seeing the results that they thought they'd
see when they thought they'd see them and they
start to fade away. So Jen took this and started
encouraging her folks to, you know, get the course
and she would kind of go through it with them
almost ask them about it. And there she's got
to. quite a few clients but there was one lady
and she was in her 60s and her name her name
was Donna is Donna and you know she she was not
in good shape she was she was in her 60s she
was heavy and she was about to give up and Jen
got her to do the course and she did and it just
it just had a profound effect she kept going
she just kind of you know she mitigated everything
she realized why she understood the awareness
that we talked about. She understood why she
was feeling the way she was feeling. She understood
that it's not that big of a deal that everyone
goes through this where you're not where you
thought you'd be when you thought you'd be there
and recognize that all of this that she's experiencing
is disruption to her life that she wasn't prepared
for. So now she's embracing the disruption. And
I mean, now she's gone on. She's still a client
of Jen's. It's been, I think, two and a half
years. It's been two years and she's I think
she's down like 50 pounds and she's the best
shape of her life and there's a lot of those
clients like that. I have a lot of business clients
too. I have a lot of people that are in different
types of businesses. Most of it requires them
to be, you know, either their own boss or their
1099. And they it requires motivation. You know,
when you're 1090, like a real estate agent, for
example, there's no set hours, you've got to
get up and go do it and having people struggling
with that. So I've got quite a few clients that
are in that realm as well, real estate, financial
product sales, any type of sales actually, where
they just use this to get out there and essentially
get out of their own way and stay at it. I like
that. What can someone that came up to you like,
you know, I'm ready to disrupt my life. Do they
experience like a setback when they actually
begin to disrupt their life? Is it like, do they
hold on to kind of the past or the things that
are being disrupted? Yeah. Well, you got to remember
that it's called a comfort zone for a reason.
It's comfortable. You know, there's no pressure.
There's no spotlight. There's no expectation.
And when you embark on this new goal, all of
a sudden, you know, you're doing things that
are uncomfortable. You're doing things maybe
you've never done before. You're out of that
comfort zone. And humans don't like to be uncomfortable.
And so you will see a lot of them, a lot of them,
what they struggle to give up, but they still
hold on to it until the very end is a lot of
it is their routine. They don't like their routine
change. I mean, they'll stop eating cake at nine
o 'clock at night. They'll stop eating ice cream
every night, but they don't like giving up their
routine. It's a lot harder to get them to turn
off the TV and go to a gym or get on their exercise
bike or just walk around the block a couple of
times. They typically tend to hold on to their
routine. And I would say one of the biggest things
that really gets them. is their immediate circle
of friends, the people they hang out with, because
we mentioned earlier that we all kind of tend
to hang out with people that are just like us.
And so when one of that, when someone in that
group shows up one day and decides they're not
gonna be like us anymore, they're gonna go do
this, they're gonna do this, they're gonna...
embark on this entrepreneurial journey or whatever
it is that they want to do, you would think their
friends are going to support them, but they don't.
They don't. It's the exact opposite. They go,
Michael, what do you, what do you think you're
better than us? What do you, what are you talking
about? What are you talking about, man? You're
going to go start a business or you're going
to go, you know, what, what do you, the reason
they react like that is because it's in a flicker
of an instant. There's a subconscious thought
that goes through their brain and it's if If
Michael achieves what he's talking about and
succeeds and is successful, how am I going to
feel about myself knowing that he changed his
life and I didn't? I don't like that. So I've
got to do everything I can to keep Michael from
doing that. So I'm going to discourage him. I
mean, they're not Dr. Evil running their hands
together thinking about this, but on a subconscious
basis is what they do. So when you say, hey,
man, I'm, you know, I drive a forklift for a
living and hey, I just found an opportunity.
I think I'm going to give it a shot because I
think this thing can really work. And I'd love
to quit my job and make more money. and you think
your friends are gonna say, man, that is awesome.
Whatever I can do, let me know. No, they're gonna
be like, oh, that's probably a scam and oh, you're
crazy. That stuff doesn't work. They don't need
to let their friends go, but they do need to
make a bit of a separation at that point because
they're gonna become an anchor. So between the
routine and the friend group, those are the two
of the hardest things for them to let go. And
again, I'm not saying don't be friends with them.
I'm just saying that you're going to eventually
you're taking a different path now. And if they're
not supporting you, they're going to be an anchor.
And there has to be a little bit of a space between
you and them. And that's really, really tough
to do. Yeah. If you, I would say if you, if they're
sensing some hateration, you know, there's some
things that, you know, one would have to, you
know, get, tend to look at need to look at, and
maybe create, like you said, that separation.
Um, one last question. before I ask you one last
question. I wanted to know about this, about
emotional resilience in a relationship. Can people,
what do you say about emotional resilience? And
if you believe in it, can people strengthen that
within themselves? Define emotional resilience,
how you define it. Emotional resilience is what
I would relate that to is like an emotional intelligence,
being able to Again, be aware of what you're
experiencing within your emotions. If you're
going through something difficult, or if you
want to lash out at someone, there's an intelligence
there that has grown within and you don't react
or be a certain way that you would have possibly
done in the past. You'll definitely become very
much more emotionally resilient as you grow.
You know, I think as you embark on your journey,
whatever goal it is, part of you needs to take
a little bit of the emotion out of it because
a lot of the reason so many people give up or
quit or don't try at all is because they live
their life a little too much off emotions and
feelings and not enough off of logic. Okay, so
logic would be I don't like it's a feeling but
logic would be I get winded walking up a flight
of stairs I do not like the clothes that I wear
they're uncomfortable. I don't like being out
of shape Logically, it would make more sense
if I would do something and alter my life and
lose weight Logically, it doesn't make sense
that I'm working a job that I don't like I'm
not happy with the money. I'm not happy with
almost anything about it I've got an opportunity
to go work with something or start something
and make more money. If I'm going to, if I'm
42 years old and I'm going to work till I'm 65,
that's 23 more years. Logically, it would make
sense to give this a shot because if I can make,
if in the next three to four years, I can make
enough to quit that job and double my income,
logically that that makes sense. So it needs
to start kind of logic based and you need to
get the motions out of it. As you get going,
the wisdom, the awareness you are going to create,
you are going to Become a different you better
you more refined you and part of that is gonna
be having an emotional resilience where you're
not gonna let things bother you like they used
to you're not going to react the way that you
used to and you're just gonna and a lot of that
comes from the confidence. And self esteem that's
been built by you on your journey of achievement.
Because you can't help but become a better you.
You're going to be more confident. You're going
to be yourself and steam is going to grow. You're
not going to take everything so personal because
you're just going to understand things. I mean,
it's kind of a deep level here, but that's exactly
what happens when you become an achiever. And
then you realize that I'm doing things that very
few people are willing to do. Not that they can't
do it. They just won't. And I'm not better than
them at all. But I'm doing things that most people
won't do. That makes me feel good. And I don't
need to respond like that. So that emotional
resilience will naturally grow. But again, having
an awareness of it is going to make it grow even
faster. You've already said it. Yeah. I love
that. Disruption. The disruption factor. First
of all, I love the name. Um, and I went to your
website and there was a saying that you had on
here. I can't find it right now. Um, but, uh,
you talk about, okay, well, you talk about transforming
into successful finisher and embrace a life defined
by results, not regrets. Can you just expound
on that and talk a little bit about, um, disruption
factor just a little bit in terms of that, that
sentence right there, that statement. Yeah, and
I mean, we've probably all seen some type of
a statement like that on social media, where,
you know, you're, there's, you're going to suffer
the pain of something, you're either going to
suffer the pain of, of discipline, or you're
going to suffer the pain of regret. Right. Um,
but yeah, you know, we live in a world where
there's where everyone is a great starter, but
there's very few finishers out there. And you
want to learn to become a finisher and finish
what you started. In this case, we're talking
about setting goals and achieving them. Um, a
lot of people every day around the world, people
get excited and embark on a goal and they're
going to set the world on fire. And you come
and revisit them a few months later, they're
probably not even after it anymore. You know,
lots of, lots of starters, very few finishers.
And so you want to learn how to be a finisher.
And you wanna build a life of results. Like you
mentioned earlier, your results are results -driven.
Man, I'm the same way, I'm results -driven. And
when you get, you're gonna see these results
and you're gonna live a life and you just don't
wanna suffer those regrets of, you know, I wish
I would've stuck to it, I wish I would've kept
going. Because most people, God bless them, but.
Most people do live a life of regrets, you know
almost everybody knows that feeling that I talked
about earlier You probably do too. I know I do
where you've started something You let it go
time goes by and you think where would I be right
now if I just wouldn't stop right? We've all
kind of probably felt that at some point so live
becoming a result driven person who becomes a
great finisher not just a great starter versus
someone who doesn't do those and then they end
up looking back with regret. You just don't want
that. Yeah. Yeah. There was a guy named Myles
Monroe. He had talked about I think was purpose
or something like but he said the most the area
where most purpose is I'm saying they're all
wrong, but it was something about people that
basically don't fulfill on what it is that they
want to fulfill on the purpose or whatever it
is that he had said I'm pretty sure it's purpose
but all that it's a little morbid, but it's in
the cemetery. Cemetery is full of purpose. And
it's people that die without living that. And
that's what when I read that, that's what made
me think about, you know, people who end up with
regret that they don't finish with their purpose.
Yeah. And so your disruption factor really, for
me, it spoke to that. Thank you. Yeah. How can
people get in touch with you? Well, the easiest
way honestly is just to go to my website, probably
disruption -factor .com. There's a dash in there.
Disruption -factor .com. You can contact me.
My social media is on there. I do a weekly podcast
that right now is just 15 minutes or less. It
started off with something just for my clients
and then I was encouraged to make it public.
So that podcast is called Act, Achieve, Live.
And my social media is you know, Instagram at
real Shane Perry or at disruption factor. And
yeah, I'd love to hear from people. Yes, absolutely.
As we leave out of here, you're gonna have the
last word. And you know, what story or something
last words that you would love to leave on this
podcast for people, I would tell people look,
there's, there's probably something in you, there's
an area of your life that you want to move. You
probably have something, you know, it's it's
it's April. New Year's was recently. Did you
have a New Year's resolution? Did it already
come and go? There's an area of your life that
you probably want to achieve and you want to
move. There's never going to be a perfect time
to do it. You just got to go do it and I just
want to encourage you to embark on it. Stick
to it. Don't be like everybody else. Carve your
own path. There's a life out there that's waiting
for you. All it takes is the motivation, the
discipline and the stuff that, you know, Michael
and I are talking about today, but don't wait.
Get after it right now. Make the decision and
go do it and go do it. Shane, thank you for being
here. And as we always say around this time,
let's make thriving our new normal. Awesome.
Thanks for having me. Michael loved it. Absolutely.