The cool thing scientifically is, is that you
and I and our audience cannot be fully cloned
100%. So that means that there is nobody else
like Michael, there's nobody else like Caleb,
there's nobody else like our audience. What have
been created for? What have you been created
for? What is that internal? Engine that clock
that driving force that gets us up in the morning
really is something that we can hold on to Especially
when we're burnt out when we're fatigued exhausted
by the many Overwhelming obstacles if you and
I and our audience reach 60 years of age Wolf
slept one -third of our life. That's a big chunk
of that time So 20 years out of that 60 by time
reach 60 years of age will been spent in the
dream world in the dream state in the sleeping
here's a truth that i want you to declare if
you're listening to me and michael right now
you've reached this point of the podcast start
declaring this over your subconscious i am a
dreamer peace is the potting soil of revelation
when we have peace in our life revelation follows
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step into the conversation. So, Caleb, we are
here and we've tried to do this before. There's
some things that happened and it's kind of, you
know, environment didn't allow that. But what
I believe is that the perfect time always shows
up perfectly. Right. And so in this conversation,
I'm really happy to have you here. And I just
want to welcome you to the podcast. So welcome.
Thank you very much, Michael. It's an honor to
be here and looking forward to how we can inspire
many minds and hearts today. Thank you having
me on the show. Yeah, me too. And before we got
this moment to meet, I spent some time with you
about two, two and a half hours about the things
that you like you're studying, the things that
you do, you're speaking and you do you do a lot
of things. And then what you say was awesome
to me is like you help people discover their
true purpose and live with confidence, which
I love. I love that. And so my question for you,
just an opening question, just so people can
get to know who you are, what has life been trying
to teach you lately that you could only learn
by slowing down and listening? Listen in. That's
a great question. Life, this has been a progressive
journey. the answer to that question evolving
over the years. But lately, it's something that
one of my mentors actually spoke to me many,
many years ago. He's since passed on, but he
had this quote that's always stayed with me in
my heart and in my mind, especially when seasons
of life can be overwhelming or there's a lot
of shifting and changes that happen as an entrepreneur
and as a leader. And this is what he told me.
And that is Caleb Be content with the state that
you are in and don't be over concerned about
what's going to be at the finish line, but really
step back and take those moments to enjoy the
process. And I know that sounds cliche and we've
probably heard that a lot before, but it really
is true for me is to not be over. stimulated
on reaching the finish line. It's good to have
goals, good to reach those targets, but really
stepping back and seeing what I call the MPA,
the multiple perspective advantage of those sea
links in the process of those moments, that is
really what I've been. Impressed upon in my in
my heart my mind my entire being is to enjoy
the process And not be over caught up with just
reaching the goal enjoy the process Not being
overstimulated. That's a that's a that's a powerful
place to really be first I want to you mentioned
seedlings And I want can you go a little bit
into that because I don't know if people make
they may not know exactly what that is And if
you can like really not only describe it will
go kind of go into what that is Sure, so the
C link is a name of my brand my company my my
DNA of design is really what's built into that
So I just want to say that again the DNA of design
is what's built into every individual ceiling
Well, what do I mean by that the DNA of design?
Well, I'm gonna express that that DNA of design
in my perspective Is that every single human
being on this planet, no matter what country,
no matter what state and culture that we are
in is made up of three parts. We have a spirit.
We have a soul and we have a body. So we are
three part beings in that DNA of design. And
what the ceiling gives is those individual moments
that we see in our day by day in our waking hours
and in. our nighttime hours while we're asleep
and part of what I talk about with C -Link is
seeing a link in our dreams of the night season
that's a whole different topic we can delve a
little bit into that as well but the sea links
of understanding mysteries of the night season
understanding what's being spoken to us in our
day by day the encounters we have the interactions
we have as entrepreneurs as leaders the happenstances
where maybe for most people they would just gloss
over them as oh that's just a random encounter
i had the bus stop with uh with uh somebody that
i wouldn't have met any other way or it's a random
encounter I had at the park, or sitting in traffic
behind the wheel of my car. Those sea links where
life speaks to us in the DNA of our design, spirit,
soul, and body. And we really have a aha moment
of, oh, what are these links trying to tell me?
What are those sea links that I'm supposed to
see that maybe I would miss if I'm too busy in
the hustle and overstimulation culture of just
trying to... go from A to Z. It's important to
go from A to Z. I don't disregard planning because
we have to be prepared, but we can't be too over
-prepared, in my opinion, because if we are too
over -prepared and too focused on just the scheduling
within our soul, we can miss the impressions
that are in our spirit. Just for an understanding,
the sea links are connected to our DNA design.
Now, is that individual, what is DNA design?
DNA of design is really what it boils down to,
is diving into our purpose. Why are we here on
the earth, on this planet, for this time in history?
Yeah. So, you know, one of the amazing things
is that one of the things I believe, you know,
what I not preach about, what we really share
and teach is that we are here for a purpose.
We are meant to be here in this space and this
time on purpose for a purpose. And so if someone
is trying to connect with that purpose and don't
have clarity, how do they get connected with
that for themselves? Well, this is where I like
to ask this question, and this question is something
I've asked over the 20 plus years of public speaking,
different events, different environments that
I've been in, from the New Age community to the
Bible colleges to different places of spirituality.
And this is a question I like to ask every single
person that comes across my path, whether it's
on a podcast, whether it's live in front of a
live audience, and that is, what does spirituality
mean to you? How would you define spirituality?
Because the answer to that question is connected
within the sea link of the creativity, the creator,
behind that purpose. I myself believe, my personal
conviction, that we have been created by God
in His image, in His likeness. male and female
that we even created in God's image with a DNA
of design that every single person on this planet
all across this beautiful world that we live
in has been created with their own individual
DNA design, their own giftings, their own capabilities,
their own functions. And the cool thing scientifically
is is that you and I, Michael, myself, you and
I and our audience cannot be fully cloned 100
% by cloning or trying to replicate who we are
can't be done 100%. So that means that there
is nobody else like Michael, there's nobody else
like Caleb, there's nobody else like our audience
listening right now to this podcast that has
been created specifically down to that cellular
level 100 % like that person. And that to me
is astounding to think about that as a reality.
Yeah. It was so funny that you mentioned that
just as a sidebar. We talk about AI these days,
and we talk about AI cloning, and they get to
look like us. And there are pictures that we
put out there, you know, I have, like, on my
system just a future version of myself with the
background of what I am connecting to as far
as my future. And I look at that guy, he's a
little more built than me, and I'm like, God,
that dude, that looks, he looks pretty good.
But even as I look at him, I know that it's not
me, and there's no one... that can be like you
know there is a distinct difference even though
there's a look there's a distinct difference
because like you said at the server level no
one can be cloned you can't be cloned right and
that goes to our purpose so if you if you are
meant for this time and this and on this on this
at this time for your purpose on purpose like
that is specifically yours right and So you talk
about, I want to kind of shift into, well, you
did talk about New Age, you talk about New Age
festivals, Bible colleges, and leadership circles
and all that kind of stuff. Is there like a thread
that has kind of followed you through all those
environments? Yes, the thread for me boils back
down to stepping back and seeing that MPA, a
bigger picture of why am I here on the earth?
Why am I here at this time in history? For this
function in this country in this state in the
city in this neighborhood in this job in this
career in this bubble or in the bubble that we
are each in because we each have our own bubble
yet we interact now through this method of technology
across the planet across the world is amazing
but specifically with the culture that we've
been put in and for me that that thread that
connects all those different audiences is what
I've been created for what have you been created
for what what is it is that that internal engine
that clock that driving Force that gets us up
in the morning that that really is something
that we can hold on to Especially when we're
burnt out when we're fatigued exhausted by the
many Overwhelming obstacles and these challenges
that this planet throws at us that it really
is the the weaving connecting thread is the challenges
that we all go through but what's the purpose
that we can draw from that gives us inspiration
to be able to face another day because That no
matter what culture we're in no matter what place
we're in that's that's what I believe connects
us is what's that inner engine that we're going
to reach from that DNA of design that's going
to push us onward to face another day. You know
the first thing I like that and then the first
thing that comes up is like if I'm in a space
or a season of confusion or non -clarity how
do I tap into what that is for me? I'll just
say personally for me it For me, it just took
just a belief of who I believed I was here to
be. And then I just had to keep tapping away
at that mold, you know what I mean? And then
slowly and surely things evolved into an understanding.
But maybe there's someone that's listening this
way. I don't know how to tap. I don't know what
to do. What do I do? Yeah. That's a very, very
valid question and point because we've all been
there. Every single person in the planet, even
the great entrepreneurs or the sporting athletes
or the brilliant minds of our world, creators,
inventors, they've all been there. We've all
been there as leaders. Michael, you and I have,
we've been there. I'm confident that we've all
been that place where like, oh, I just, I don't
know where to start. I don't know how to start
to get the ball rolling. This is what I call
within the C -Link within my brand. Here's another
for those of you out there taking notes. Here's
another point that is very, very strong and very
important for each of us to do inner inventory
on. And that is the eye of our principle. And
what do I mean by that? Well, the eye of our
stands for the early years of entrepreneurship,
entrepreneurship and renovation. So the early
years of entrepreneurship. and renovation. What
do I mean by renovation of the early years of
entrepreneurship? Well, let's go back into the
timeline and shift. So if you're thinking there
as the audience, oh, well, I don't know what
Caleb's going here. Well, I'm going to guide
you. We're going to go there together. And that
is look at early years of your career. in your
earliest jobs you can remember or even before
that maybe into kindergarten like in the sandbox
or what you enjoyed working with your hands as
a kid what are those things that gave you joy
and passion that nine nine other people would
say no i that doesn't give me passion but what
gives you passion when you're creating something
that early years of entrepreneurship and doing
a renovation of okay how do i apply that towards
where I am right now. And when you start with
that, I'm just going to use as a brief example.
In my early years of entrepreneurship, one of
my first jobs was a family landscaping business.
that my mother ran for 25 years. She served,
we serve some of the wealthiest clients, including
Murray Edwards, owner of the Calgary Flames,
Jim Shaw, which is the one of the big two telecommunications
giants in Canada, like very wealthy clients.
And in that time, I had to learn how to work
days that could be five hour days or 13 hour
days or 15 hour days at the age of 13, 14 years
old. So there was no set time on how long I worked,
it wasn't a nine to five, it was, okay, well
if the money's falling from the trees and the
customer says, we want you for a weekend job,
we're gonna work two 12 hour days in a row, you
drop everything. And thankfully, I was homeschooled,
so I was able to shift around when I did my studies
and when it was time to work. And that, for me,
helped shape me to where I am right now. as an
entrepreneur because Michael, you and I both
know and many of our audience as entrepreneurs
that when the favour and the money is falling
from the trees and when the clients are demanding
that you come and deliver, we don't have time
to say, oh, I'm too busy. I'll get to you if
it works in my time window. They're going to
go on to somebody else. And I use that as an
example of those early years of entrepreneurship
prepared me for where I am right now and being
able to have a flexible schedule. No, all good.
I was going to say, over the years, one of the
things that happens when I'm usually talking
about really, really exciting topics that are
supercharged with those just electricity, the
technology sometimes goes wonky. And that's something
I'm used to. I'm used to pivoting. It's all right.
The I of R is what I like to call the early years
of entrepreneurship and renovation. and doing
an inventory, encouraging myself and audience
forced to do a renovation of an inventory of
those early years. And part of the early years
for me was working for the family landscaping
business called Back to Eden Landscaping, which
my mother ran for 20, 25 years and served some
of the wealthiest clients like Murray Edwards
of the Calgary Flames, Jim Shaw, one of the big
telecommunications giants in Canada, very wealthy
clients. In those seasons when the money was
falling from the trees and we got a customer
saying okay I want you to do a weekend job, but
works like two or three days in a row of 12 15
hour days They're looking for someone who's willing
that does good work And if I was from the traditional
conventional mindset of oh, I only work Eight
hours a day. My mother was like, we only work
eight hours a day and that's it for us. We're
going to cap it there. They go somewhere else.
And part of what those early years taught me
as a 13, 14, 15 year old, those early years of
renovation. I have our entrepreneurship of renovation
is to be flexible and also be ready for for long
hours and short hours and be ready to be flexible
with those early years of entrepreneurship and
that really served me well moving forward and
being a homeschooler definitely helped because
if I was in public school as a teenager I would
not be able to work that many hours per day for
multiple days in a row so I'm very thankful shout
out to all the homeschoolers out there if you're
homeschooled like myself I was homeschooled and
Most people give a bad rap, I think, to homeschoolers.
They say, oh, well, their communication skills
are down. Well, you can look at me now and listen
to my podcasting here and my podcasting portfolio
on the C -Link and over 20 years of public speaking
internationally, and I think it turned out pretty
good. Yeah, actually, you know, it was awesome
that, you know, my producer, she was like, make
sure you watch his podcast. And I was like, his
podcast? There's so many podcasts you have been
on that you that you've been able to really share
your gifts and what you can bring to the world.
And even though we're speaking to the entrepreneurs,
the creators, and all that kind of stuff, you
have another part of, I know you talked about
the spiritual soul and body, which I think you
call the tri -unity. Yeah, the DNA of design,
the tri -being. Yeah, the tri -being. And one
of the things that a lot of maybe modern in the
business world, you don't really speak to the
unseen part, right? And you do talk about that.
And I know that's sometimes ignored. But you
talk about the subconscious, the dream world,
the unseen. And so in your words, what does that
role, the role of dreams actually play into our
personal and professional growth? It's a game
changer. And it's one of the biggest needle movers,
I think, in the world for a human being. And
that is our dream life. How do we know this?
Well, let's get to some scientific facts, because
I'm all about bringing some some cold hard facts
to the table. And I feel like Michael, you're
probably somebody you are somebody that likes
to bring some some facts to the table. So here
we go. And that is scientifically by the time
that you and I and our audience reach 60 years
of age. We've slept one third of our life. Now
that's a big chunk of that time. So 20 years
out of that 60, by the time we reach 60 years
of age, you'll have been spent in the dream world,
in the dream state, in the sleeping. And as far
as remembering our dreams, do we, do everybody
remember our dreams? Does everyone remember their
dreams? Unfortunately, no. And I think a lot
of that has to do with the value. That is being
placed on the realm of dreams of the night season
of the unseen because unfortunately in my years
of travel and my years of speaking my years of
being in front of various audiences i am surprised
and stunned on how many people do not keep a
dream journal how many people think that dreams
are just random. Chemical reactions based on
oh, well, I had you know Just that dessert didn't
sit well with me or I had too much alcohol drank
too much alcohol before went to sleep or I watched
a scary movie Yeah, some of that can have an
effect because I talk about in my dream Courses
and my teaching of the sea link that dreams can
cut they do come from three different sources
They can come from ourselves from God from spirit
and from the adversary You know the enemy the
obstacle the devil, you know, whatever, you know
You name it right like there are three different
sources where dreams come from and unfortunately
our western world our dichotomous world and there's
the dichotomous world is the western world primarily
in my perspective my Conviction is that they
lean on the mind and the body but not on the
spirit. Whereas the farther east that you go
You know, we have the the triune being world,
the spirit, soul and body at cultures, especially
in the Middle East and Africa. And these places
have been where there is a value and an emphasis
on valuing dreams of the night season. When I
was in Israel and Palestine years and years ago,
I sat around tables with Jews, with Muslims,
with Christians. And the one common thread, especially
in these Eastern cultures, is that they They
value dreams of the night season and what did
God speak to you and what do you see in your
dreams as much as they value brushing their teeth
and keeping their hygiene. Like that's that's
really the reality in the Eastern culture. And
I think in the West, we've moved off of that
tangent and we've moved on to the hustle, busy,
got to be goal oriented. Goal orientation is
not a bad thing. But if we are completely goal
oriented within our own mindset and our own strength
and we leave out spirit, we leave out the unseen,
we leave out the valuing of what's coming in
our dreams in the night season, then I think
we can get off track. Yeah. You know, as you
were saying that, a lot of images came up. So
first, the dreams. I have dreams, and I don't
record them. And then I feel like I don't have
dreams, right? But then there's the spaces, like
when either when I'm going to sleep or waking
up, there's a moment in there where it's almost
like I'm in a different realm, a whole different
world. And then I'll wake up and it's like it
was it never happened. And I know that other
people get to experience that. I know my story
is not just, you know, me. I think other people
get to experience that. So this is if no one
else gets this education that I'm going to ask
you to, you know, share, I'll get it. What do
we do to one, remember our dreams or Yeah, just
remember our dreams in that space between sleep
and being awake or, you know, how do we capture
what that is for us and be able to see what that
is for us so we can apply it to the third dimension,
so to speak, reality. You're hitting the sweet
spot of what I love to talk about. I love to
talk about entrepreneurship. I love to talk about
leadership. I love to talk about history. Love
to talk about all those things. But where I come
alive? This is talking about mysteries of the
night season dreams and how to unpackage them
and how to Remember our dreams and how to cultivate
a dream Lifestyle in the night season. This is
it right here right here guys. If you don't if
you if nothing else sticks This is what I want
to stick the most and that is how do we activate
that? How do we activate this? Well, here's how
we do that step number one Keep a dream journal
because it's proven within our subconscious and
within dream recollection, within the neurons
and the neurological pathways within our brain
of dream recollection. Dream recollection will
increase exponentially more if you and I record
them. I promise you that's a fact. If you look
up on ChatGPT, you look up online, you can see
all different types of teachers and people who
talk about dream interpretation and understanding
dreams or dream recollection. But within dream
recollection, writing them down is so key. Whether
it's writing them down linearly or pictorially,
there's amazing things that can happen when you
draw out your dreams as well, too. For other
people, Dream recollection could be tied to pictures
and imagery. For others, it's writing them down
as if you're to write down a story or a book.
Just write something down because what happens
is when the day starts to begin, when you have
to wake up and cook breakfast, you gotta think
about you're gonna walk the dog, taking the kids
to school. Getting getting into the highway so
you don't you don't get stuck in traffic when
all those other things start to take over your
brain and your and your Subconscious and you're
starting to think about those things more than
what you dreamed and you don't write it down
Most of the time you are not going to remember
it and the dreams gone So the moment you wake
up even if it's at 3 in the morning 4 in the
morning 6 in the morning Whatever time get something
down whether it's your voice recorder or you're
writing it down because when you do this you're
going to remember your dreams and teach your
brain within those neurological pathways to recollect
your dreams in a better and more fuller way than
you would if you're just going to say well i'll
remember it down the road maybe when my day's
over well it's too late by then so that's step
number one step number two is speaking to your
subconscious Wow, Caleb, I didn't know I could
speak to my subconscious. You can. You can train
your subconscious for success. We do it every
single day. Every single day we train our subconscious
by saying, oh, I can't do that. Oh, I'm not capable
of doing that. Well, what are you doing? You're
telling your subconscious that you're not going
to be able to do that. And it's going to listen
to you. Or if you tell your subconscious, I treasure
these dreams. I value dreams. i'm a dreamer which
is by the way is true because every person dreams
you start speaking to your subconscious the truth
these realities your subconscious is going to
listen to you but it's going to listen either
to when you declare positivity over it or whether
you declare negativity over it your subconscious
is a filter that's going to listen either way
it doesn't it doesn't make a bias between you
and i it's going to listen to you so there are
people in the world they say I don't dream. What
do you say to them? Or maybe they're just not
catching it. Maybe they're just not, I think
everybody dreams. It's just maybe they're just
not at a level where they know they're dreaming.
Or how do you describe that for people who say
that to themselves? Well, yeah, I would say if
that person doesn't fall into the category of
sleep apnea where they struggle to sleep. There
are many people that struggle with sleep apnea,
but it's not like a large percentage. Let's just
put that aside. Let's just say that you don't
struggle to sleep. If you're not struggling to
sleep, then more than likely you have dreamed
at some point or another, but either you didn't
write it down or maybe your definition of I don't
dream is subjective. And what do I mean by that?
Well, at a lot of these events, when I'm doing
speaking and workshops and public speaking events
talking about dreams, I'll say, okay, do you
dream? Someone's in front of me. Do you dream?
They say, oh, no, I haven't. I don't dream. Well,
Do you remember any of your dreams? And then
the person's like, oh, yes, there is this one
dream I had this nightmare, but that couldn't
possibly mean anything. And they've already trained
their subconscious that that silly nightmare
or that weird, wacky, bizarre dream is nothing.
That's not a dream because it doesn't fall within
the category of. Chronicles of Narnia and Lord
of the Rings were some epic storybook. Well,
not everybody dreams in epic storybooks. Sometimes
you can get a little clip or a little snippet
and then wake up. Like that's still a dream.
You still saw something. And I think we, I believe
that we've trained our brains as a Western culture
in a society that, oh, I don't dream because
I don't dream like Eddie next door who has five
page dreams or Susie next door has 10 page dreams.
Well, the way that you and I dream that we dream
is subjective to us. And that's what I want to
get to is that most people don't dream or they
don't cultivate a life of dreaming because they've
convinced themselves somewhere along the line,
they've trained their subconscious that they
don't dream. And therefore, I'm not surprised
when I meet a lot of people at these events that
they haven't dreamed for many years because the
last dream that they remembered, they've just
said, oh, it doesn't mean anything. Well, our
subconscious isn't going to recollect dreams
if we keep telling it that that they're not important
in the same way that Parable of talents. Story
in the scriptures. In the Bible, Jesus talked
about the parable of talents. Well, you have
three servants, one that got five, one that got
three, and one that got one talent. And the one
that buried his talent in the sand and said,
oh, well, I'm not going to do anything with that
talent. Well, he wasn't entrusted with anything
more. But the one that took the three and the
five and they worked those talents, they got
more. And the same way within dreams, when we
write them down, When we steward them when we
keep a healthy sleep life, sometimes we have
chaotic jobs and there are seasons where we can't
help that, but part of going to bed early and
getting into an atmosphere and cultivating an
atmosphere of peace. And taking a census of our
census is is what is the difference maker between.
do we have a dreaming lifestyle or do we not?
And sometimes that means sacrifices. Sometimes
that means telling your friends, oh, sorry, I
can't party out late because I'm prioritizing
rest instead of doing that other thing that most
people is not wrong for them to do. But that's
what I mean is that just to answer your question,
because I tend to go on and on because I get
excited about this kind of stuff, but yeah, it
is cultivating for us what works for us taking
a sense of our senses and making sure that we
train our subconscious that we are dreamers and
that we write them down and we don't disregard
saying i'm not a dreamer i think that's what
part of the part of the reason why people aren't
dreaming is because they've convinced themselves
somewhere along the line that they don't dream
but isn't that important like i'm i'm really
truly speaking from my experience of my lived
experience because you know from From youth one
of the there's a couple things I wanted to be
in the world, which was entrepreneur a lawyer
and an actor Well, I became an actor I became
I became you know entrepreneur the law thing
it fell off is it it fills above because it was
boring I didn't want to do all that reading right?
So it was no longer a dream, but I did have dreams
I live in those dreams and they were there are
things I lived in and I remember talking to my
brother and my brother I helped him with some
things and he's Becoming his own entrepreneur.
He's become an entrepreneur as well and he was
thanking me for certain things and he was like
man I can dream again and I'm saying this to
say that when in a space Where you you're not
dreaming and I'm asking is a space where you're
not dreaming in in this realm this reality Maybe
you're not living up to your full potential your
greatest self your your your experience of who
you're meant to be in this specific time and
purpose or does that time and time yeah time
and space yeah yeah for sure i would just say
and yeah we're talking dreams right now within
dreams of the night season or just dreaming about
i want to be somebody like in life or something
like just just to clarify um you can make a distinction
between the night season dreams and then what
i just talked about because maybe i don't know
the difference yeah i want to make a distinction
there so Dreaming of goal setting and I want
to be an entrepreneur and actor I want to do
like casting like vision board casting that that
would be more or less like goals vision boards
metrics and setting within our own human construct
of. envisioning what I want to be or where I
want to invest that that would be within the
physical waking hours realm of within our own
human construct of our mind will and emotions
and are walking that out physically. Now dreams
of the night season is the moment that our eyes
closed the moment that they wake up and what
happens in that in -between place of while we're
sleeping That's what I'm distinguishing here,
which is that what we're seeing within those
dreams. So I had a dream last night that a lion
was chasing me and I fought the lion and I overcame
it and I woke up. Well, that's what we're speaking
about here versus Dreamcasting of okay. I want
to be an entrepreneur an actor or like a public
speaker That's vision broadcasting within our
mind will and emotions And I think it's important
of course to have goals within the daytime But
within the night season I want to use an example
here and that is one of my favorite people in
history One of my favorite people in history.
Her name is Harriet Toven and she was a runaway
slave on the Underground Railroad that became
one of the giants of history. I love Harriet
Tubman. She's one of my heroes. When I get to
heaven, one of the first people I want to meet
is Harriet Tubman because she's one of my heroes.
Most people read the storybooks like this when
they read Harriet's story. She ran. She decided
she wanted to be free. She wanted to live free
or die, which is true. She decided to run. because
she didn't want to live a life of slavery for
the next generation or live there anymore. And
that is true. But where the story usually ends
is, oh, well, she found her place from running
to the Underground Railroad Network and she had
some fortunate chance and, you know, God watched
over her. But, you know, she she got very blessed
not be captured by her captors. And while that's
true, there's an in -between space where Harriet
followed. She followed a code. one that you and
I have called the understanding mysteries of
the night season and following the code of those
dreams that she had while she would fall asleep.
So her captors would chase after her with the
shotguns and the dogs and tracking and it was
just her and the open road. But it wasn't just
her and the open road. There was another factor
involved and that was God. God breathed upon
her dreams of the night season. When she fell
asleep, God would show her, here's the house
that you need to go to. here's the one that you
can trust here's the one you can't trust and
she would follow her dreams that she had while
she was asleep those dreams of the night season
as a roadmap all the way from Maryland to Pennsylvania
all the way to Canada and back again and it says
that Harriet Tubman history estimates that she
herself with God backing her up was able to go
back to the south to the north and free over
250 to 300 runaway slaves with her and god and
her roadmap of her dreams and She was a legend.
She was called the moses of her people. In fact
her captors thought she was a man because of
her daring exploits and part of those exploits
was the code of the mysteries of the night season
and if Harriet Tubman was able to follow that
code from south to north and north to south We
could follow that code because that code is speaking
to us every single night Yeah, first of all that
Yeah, it's amazing for her to be honored that
way, first and foremost. And I do remember as
you were speaking, it's not really spoken about,
but if you know of the story, then you can really
hear that that's how she was able to do what
she was able to do. So, and I know there's a
distinction between daydreams and then there's
the night season dreams, but that those night
season dreams can inform you and who you're being
and what you're creating in your life? Yes. Yes,
it's a roadmap towards our own individual DNA
of design, just speaking about the beginning
of those sea links, because Harriet Tubman's
design was to be a liberator for her people,
was to be a leader amongst men and women in her
day and age. And she wouldn't have got there
if she had to disregard her dreams, thinking,
oh, that's just... I'm just afraid I'm falling
asleep and people are chasing me. And I'm just
going to figure this out just with prayer and
God. But without God supplying the prayer, well,
pray and God answers. Dreams were the answer.
She would ask God, God, you never steered me
wrong. Dreams was the main method that God would
communicate to Harriet. And for us, we have this
beautiful language. this language that was spoken
of in the scriptures to Joseph and Daniel who
interpreted dreams for foreign kings Nebuchadnezzar
of Babylon had the famous dream of the statue
the head of gold and the you know the Silver
and then the bronze and the feet of clay and
really you had Joseph interpreting dreams for
Pharaoh of the seven lean ears of corn and the
right ears and the cattle and the lean cattle
and those interpretations to those dreams set
the course of foreign empires but really God's
hand moving through history and if for those
kings. For those people and for the heroes and
the people we read about in history and the Bible
and different history books How much more so
for us because we are dreamers? Here's a truth
that I want you to declare if you're listening
to me and Michael Right now and you've reached
this point of the podcast start declaring this
over your subconscious. I am a dreamer I am a
dreamer and you start training your subconscious
that you are one to receive dreams in the night
season. Then your dreams are going to start to
bubble up like something, a bread being cooked
in the oven as well too. That's ready to be pulled
from the oven because when you start training
your subconscious for success, then your subconscious
is going to start to listen to you. And this
it's, I think it's really evident in the past
stories that you talked about that. it can be
something that we that's applicable for us today
and you talked about uh training your subconscious
and I was watching a video of you um and you
were talking about training your subconscious
for success that you just mentioned um what does
that mean like it's still in the world of dreams
but I know we're going to the subconscious so
we're shifting a little bit here but what does
that mean in practical terms, which is training
your subconscious for success. Yeah, and practical
terms that would be here's I'm just going to
use an example from my own life. And that is
before I go to sleep, I will close my eyes and
start to declare into my atmosphere what what
the table is being set for for my for my dream
life. And that is like, Jacob, God. I declare
over my dreams like Jacob's ladder that reached
from heaven to earth and from earth to heaven
that when my head hits this pillow that I am
going to see dreams and hear your voice because
that's your plan for my life. That's your plan
for the lives of every single person across this
planet that we receive dreams and be a magnet
for dreams. I declare that my sleep shall be
sweet. because that's what you promise in the
scriptures, that's a promise to you, to me, that
my sleep would be sweet, that you'd seal instruction
in the night season, because that's what you
say in Job 33, 14, that while man slumbers upon
their beds, that you seal instruction upon my
dream life. And when I start to declare that,
and it becomes to be a muscle that I start to
flex, just like at the gym, then that's when
things start to roll out. You start to experience
those more and more. And it's not something that
happens overnight, by the way. I just want to
be very, very clear. Just like when you go to
the gym and you say to your trainer, oh yeah.
I want to get those muscles to be shredded and
be like Terry Crews and like Gisele Bunchkin
and all these Victoria's Secret models or the
good dudes that are just flexing like athletes
like Cristiano Ronaldo. I want to have the Ronaldo
six pack. Well, it doesn't happen overnight in
the same way that dreams. It's a lifestyle. This
is something that for myself, I started dreaming
in the night season at the age of six. And I've
been interpreting dreams since I was 18. So that's
like 20 years of dream interpretation under my
belt. And I still have much more to learn, much,
much more. But really it starts somewhere. And
maybe you're listening to this thinking, Caleb,
I don't know where to start. Or maybe, yes, I've
dreamed a lot and I have epic dreams, but I just
don't have a container. Or I'm just on this journey.
Well, this journey is... Not being too hard on
yourself and that is start small start small
start writing your dreams down start treasuring
them and start speaking to your subconscious
and the way that that bridge happens in the realm
of practicality is. Start asking God, I challenge
you, start speaking to God, asking God to shed
light on your dreams that aren't just things
that you experience between you and God, but
are a bridge into your DNA of design, into reaching
the purpose to which you've been created. Like
Harriet Tubman, God I am flesh and blood like
Harriet Tubman. I am flesh and blood like George
Washington. I am flesh and blood like Marco Polo.
I am flesh and blood like Winston Churchill.
These people, these heroes, these giants, they
were used mightily and dreams were a part of
that. But therefore, I am no different because
I'm flesh and blood as well. Therefore, make
that bridge happen in my life, God. Breathe upon
my dreams and when you start to speak to god
and your dreams like that That's where that bridge
comes and then it'll start walking that out your
life And I just want to I just want to insert
too like when you say say speaking of god I know
there's different religions that listen to this
and it's not really in a religious sense It's
like the greater sense of who you are the the
your your greater being whatever you believe
in And it's really speaking to the greatness
of who you are in this world. And it can't be,
it's something greater than you, right? That
allows you to have this dream. And when you connect
that, that allows you to live it out in the world.
Is that what you would say? Yes, exactly. And
I want to preface it as well too. That is...
Everyone listening right now, chew on the meat
and spit out the bones. What do I mean by that?
I mean that if you're listening to something
that Caleb Matthews is saying, you're like, I
resonate with that, then embrace it. Just embrace
it like a big hug. And if you don't like something
I've said, just let it roll off like water off
a duck's back. And the cool thing is, is that
I'm sharing with you out of my perspective, my
conviction, and for me, my view of God. will
look different than a lot of your view of God.
But the main thing is to take a step back and
see the multiple perspective advantage. See the
big playing field. I like to use the football
example. Who doesn't like NFL football? There's
a few people who don't like NFL football. But
NFL football, Sunday night football, Sunday morning
football, like football. Here's the gridiron.
Here is where the perspective comes into play.
You've got the players that are facing off and
then the quarterback that's calling the plays.
And then you go farther back and you see the
coach on the sideline with the clipboard and
his teammates. And then you go farther back and
you look up into the rafters of these different
stadiums and you see all the names of all the
people that ever played for that football team
that are in the ring of honour. And then you
go higher up than that and you see the announcers
that are calling the game that are going play
by play through the different plays and the different
audibles, the different motions on the field.
And then you go higher up than that and you see
the camera view of the stadium and the city.
And then you go higher up than that and you see
the nation. You go higher up in that, you see
the planet. You go higher up in that, you see
the galaxies and the planets. You go higher up
in that, and then there's heaven. That is what
I'm talking about. Getting an MPA perspective
of, you're not alone in this. So whatever spirituality
looks like to you, that's why I preface it at
the beginning. One of the main questions I'd
like to ask is, what does spirituality mean to
you? That's something that myself and my teams,
when we're doing dream interpretation in these
various festivals and events, everywhere from
Stonehenge summer solstice in the UK to nosara
in costa rica or the yogis gather to bible colleges
and churches in east africa to youth camps in
the philippines and some of the remote places
to the messiah warriors in tanzania people some
people have never seen white people before all
these different environments boils back down
to the question that i like to ask to so many
people when we're doing dream interpretation
and that is this what does spirituality mean
to you What does God look like to you? Because
when you start to explore that and get outside
of just the soul, mind, will and emotions, the
dichotomous worldview of just what's in your
own control and what's in the unseen, that's
the game changer. That's what's going to thread
it. That's what's going to push the needle forward
into the end zone of your purpose. Pushing the
needle forward. That leads me into, I know we
talked a little bit about subconscious, right?
And it kind of plays in what we just talked about.
And you have said that your words ignite your
world, right? And I kind of wanted to know language
creates, right? Back in the day, they said sticks
and stones may hurt your bones, but words would
never hurt you. Well, words create, right? Words
can be... You know, they can cause harm. But
in this space, we're talking about the creative
power of it. So can you unpack, like, I know
you talked a little bit about neuroscience and
subconscious and everything like that, and the
spiritual design. How does all that work together
to turn your work to a declaration that's tangible
into this, what I know is a 3D world, right?
Yeah, absolutely. Well, where it all starts to
go across that bridge is are what we declare
we become. It's that principle, right? Who we
hang out with is who we become like. When you
do an inventory of, oh, well, like, who do you
want to become in life? Well, one of the first
questions I like to ask myself if I'm taking
a self -assessment or I'm asking somebody else
is, where are the quality of people around you?
Well, let's look at the quality of the words
that we're creating since we're on this topic
right now, since we're talking about this right
now. What is... The quality of the speech it's
coming forth from our lips what what are we declaring
what what's in our daily habits within ourselves
and what we're creating and no one of the great
scientific experience the japanese one of the
japanese scientists you probably have his name
i think ito is his name but he had this. Microscope.
We had water underneath the microscope and they
tested the water to see what water was going
to do based on positive or negative declarations.
And when there are positive declarations, the
water produced these brilliant images. When they
are negative, they produce gnarly and snarled
and disfigured images. And therefore, because
it's at a cellular level, we know that when we
declare, we are going to create worlds within
our words. And that's why within athletic mindsets.
It's a lot of the biggest athletes like Novak
Djokovic and LeBron James and, you know, like
Roger Federer and Tom Brady and Cristiano Ronaldo,
Lionel Messi, like you go down through all the
different athletes, Muhammad Ali when he was
alive, they all had sports psychologists. And
they have those psychologists that would help
train them in just their mindset, but also what
they're speaking, what they're really building.
Because if I go on that field and I say, oh,
that opponent just looks too good. Oh, I'm definitely
not going to win today. Well, what's going to
happen? Your subconscious is going to listen
to you. We have been defeated. That's right.
But if I go in that field and say, I'm going
to win. i'm going to do the best that i can do
or maybe we don't win in the way that we want
to but we still win personally because we left
it all in the field and that's what happens when
our subconscious and our cellular level listens
to us and really for me it boils down to my conviction
is is that You know, the worlds that we live
in was created by the Word of God. And therefore,
if we're creating God's image, when we speak,
things are manifesting. Like this table that
I have my computer on right now, these computers
that Michael and I are speaking to, these microphones
that we're talking through, this worldwide web,
this network, all these things that we can see
came from the unseen. Everything came from the
unseen. It came from a design, a blueprint. The
Great Pyramids of Giza came from somebody's imagined
ideas within their dreams, within their physical
dreams. But I think a lot of these wonders that
we see in life, they had to have come from the
night season. In fact, one of my friends, I just
want to use a practical story here, and that
is in... Kick Spike, the company, I'm not sure
if you're familiar with that Michael or audience,
but Kick Spike were a company of the shoes that
you use when you're hiking up mountains, when
you're doing like the intense mountain climbing.
Yeah, I know. Yeah, I can see it in my head.
Yeah. Kick Spike is a company that one of my
friends that I did runway fashion modeling with
her husband came up with and he was on the Dragon's
Den version for Canada, like the Shark Tank Dragon's
Den version. I think it's one of those shows.
And he was coming up with a patent of a design
for the kick spike shoe. And he was frustrated
because every single patent that he tried to
use for this shoe was just not working out. He's
like, I'm reached by wit's end here. I'm working
on this for months and months and months. Nothing's
happening. And one night he had a dream in the
night season where the blueprint for the patent
came to him of the missing links that he needed
for that kick spike shoe and when he used those
patents that he saw in his dreams when he woke
up he applied them to the kick spike and then
that was what was able to help him present that
to the the Dragons or to the Shark Tank what
one of the two shows that he was on I can't recall
it right now but he's on one of those two shows
and he and he presented his patent and they invested
in him. And now he's a successful company. But
that came from a dream came from a dream. Yeah.
Yeah, that's I mean, I was writing notes as you
were saying that. And so like, there's all of
what we see, the computers, the desk, everything
that's that's here came from words with those
words came from somewhere else, right? It came
from an unseen. And would you say that the inner
world is more real and then maybe through that
dream it can be it can be manifested through
those words or declarations and that then that
became can become your your world yeah it's it's
like inception in the matrix right you've seen
those movies before i love those movies and like
the matrix like okay welcome to the real world
like there's that line it's like Morpheus like
looking through those sunglasses and Neil's like
whoa like this is this is the real world like
this this world that I'm in right now if I'm
just looking at the outward nine to five and
clocking into the office and not really looking
for those sea links of the matrix as we're talking
about the matrix beyond that physical world we're
gonna miss so much we are gonna miss so much
and within Inception these layers upon layers
of dreams There's such a big chunk of our lives
that are spent dreaming and I just think that
one of the great tragedies of human existence.
Is for people to just go to sleep and wake up
and not really regard what's happening in between
because i don't think i do not believe that human
design would be the way that it is. If dreams
didn't have some sort of meaning in that in between
space we wouldn't be sleeping for that long we
really wouldn't that that's my conviction somebody
else may disagree with me on that but there is
that gap and part of that is the partnership
that we get to play within creating. those worlds
within speaking those worlds into existence and
and the subconscious is connected to the realm
of dreams because what we look at what we behold
we become that's something that one of my great
friends and great mentors who's passed on another
one of them has passed on he often prefaced it
and emphasized was what we look at we become
what we behold would become and If we're listening,
the audience is listening right now saying, I
want my dream life to become more accelerated.
I'm excited about this. I want to have codes
like Harriet Tubman and like these entrepreneurs.
I want to, I want to see this. Well, part of
that is really doing that census of our senses
of what putting in our, what we put in our eye
gate. Like for me, I can't watch some of the
movies that most other people can be permitted
to watch because it's going to screw up with
my dream life. It's going to screw up with the
quality of my sleep and me being able to get
through and see clearly inside the pool, the
pond of my dream life. It's like Mufasa and Rafiki.
I'm going to get silly with an example here.
Rafiki takes Simba, not Mufasa, Simba to the
water. He's like, what do you see? I can't see
anything. Look harder. And he taps the water,
and then he sees the reflection. He's like, he
lives in you. I use the Mufasa and the Simba
example to say this. Your spirit is like Mufasa
with Simba, and if we're not looking close enough,
we're going to miss it. Our spirit is speaking
to us. We have to look harder. Take the extra
moments to look. See those links. Start cultivating
a healthy lifestyle of treasuring and valuing
dreams in the night season. This is really going
to push the needle. I cannot emphasize this enough.
So would you say, I was going to ask for a nightly
practice that someone could do, but would you
say at the beginning of the practice, would you
say earlier, would you say, I am a dreamer? That's
step number one. Because if we don't believe
that, then everything else falls apart. It's
like showing up to the workforce, the job, and
You're like, OK, I can't do this. No, I just
can't do this. No, I really can't do this. You're
not going to do it. But you show you show up
to the job site and the job site is diving into
diving into the mysteries of the night season.
So step number one's declaration. I am a dreamer.
Step number two, start journaling stuff down.
Step number three. And this this is I'm just
going through really, really quick here because
this is I could. talk about this for months and
months and years because this didn't happen overnight
for me and it's a process but that is what is
this a picture of? Because for you, Michael,
a dream of a golden retriever could be something
different than me. A dream of a German shepherd
could be something different for me. Like for
me, I was terrified of German shepherds when
I was a kid because they'd always chase me down
the street and try scratching at me and biting
at my hip. For you, you could love a German shepherd
because it was the animal that was your loyal
companion that pulled you out of the drowning
river when you were eight years old. I'm just
making something up there. Different things for
different people so what is this a picture of
what is this saying to me start having that inner
dialogue of what these images and what these
symbols and what these people in these places
are in your dreams that's gonna start to really
unpack that matrix that code that. Personal code
that you have that I have that inception it's
gonna start to make sense But what is this a
picture of and then start moving off of that
tangent from there? But yeah, I was gonna ask
you for time permitting. I would love to be able
to Practically will show and tell if you have
a short dream that you wanted to share with me
if you're comfortable with I'd love to unpack
it up for you and Show the audience what it kind
of looks like to unpackage a dream like a dream
that a night a night season dream, right? Yeah,
dream of the night season something you had all
man like last night I had this wacky dream or
10 years ago had this dream I dreamed of while
I was asleep and saw this and not really sure
what it means. Or maybe I do like a different
perspective. Yeah, that kind. You know, I guess
I have them. And I'm I'm at the level like I
feel like I'm a spiritual believer in spiritualness
and spirituality and stuff. I don't have the
practice of remembering my dreams and writing
them down. You don't you don't remember any any
dream when you're a kid or a childhood or whatever
growing up or is like oh I had this really quick
dream of something strange happening but not
nothing at all that comes to mind. Nothing that
comes to mind nothing but here's the work that
I'm doing on myself though which I'm glad I'm
having this conversation with you because like
I recognize that in this whole transition of
my life right now and so I did have one the other
day but I don't I just really don't remember.
I remember having it. There are dreams I remember
having and being able to recite them afterwards,
but not writing them down. And then I remember
having dreams. And then I would just like, oh,
that was a dream. But it's just like at this
moment in time, there's so many things that come
throughout the day, the years, the weeks, that
it's nullified. Um, and so I feel like I've missed
out on what those things were or what they were
telling me because I never wrote them down. This
moment and now I'm not able to experience what
that was before for me. Oh, it's all good. Well,
we're having a good, we're having a good conversation
and it's benefit for, for you, myself or audience,
especially many people who have reached those
places of, oh, I just. I know I dream. I just
can't remember them. Where do I start? Like,
how do I get this engine going again? My heart
is willing, but how do I actually get my feet
rolling on this? And I think this is really good,
this conversation that we've been having with
dreams today. A practical example for my own
life I want to share, and that is years ago when
I was traveling in the Philippines, I was doing
some humanitarian work. I was doing some public
speaking with one of the remote villages with
some of my friends that were there with me, and
we were going our separate ways after a long
day of speaking, a long day of just ministry.
and I was at a guest home and we went to the
village and then it's night time I was like I'm
really tired I'm gonna go to sleep all I'm thinking
about is I'm tired I'm not thinking about anything
else outside of this trip other than I need to
get sleep because tomorrow is gonna be another
day right so I fall asleep I'm in somebody else's
home whatever like unfamiliar territory but I
get excited when I travel these trips because
I know I'm gonna have really interesting dreams
so I have an interesting dream And this dream
is one of my friends in Africa, one of the leaders
that I know in Africa that I'd spoken out to
many times and gone many trips with, he was standing
in front of me in my dream. My friend from Africa,
his name is Weston. His name is Weston. He's
passed on since, but at this time he was standing
in front of me in the dream. And you know somebody
you look at in the hospital when like their face
just looks like, oh, this person looks rough.
Like they look like they're on death's door.
My friend had that look on his face of he had
malaria. Now I've seen people with malaria in
Africa before. I've been to some of the hospitals.
He looked like he had a bad, bad case of malaria.
And I just felt like something was really imminent.
Like if something didn't intervene for him, God
didn't intervene, he was going to die. And so
I was just like rebuking death, rebuking death,
rebuking death. And I just felt like this black
energy in this force that I was wrestling with
like I was very lucid it's like inception right
I was wrestling with this I was rebuking death
I was praying God's healing power over his life
but then I woke up I was like wow that that came
out of nowhere I wasn't thinking about my friend
Weston I was thinking about I need sleep because
I'm tired from this day right so a couple months
later I'm in the United States again at one of
my events, and I see Weston there, and he walks
up to me, my friend from Africa, and I say, Weston,
two months ago, three months ago, I was in the
Philippines, and I had this dream, and you were
standing in front of me, and you were really
sick with malaria. You were almost on the point
of death. Were you sick? Did you have malaria?
I said, yeah, I had malaria. i had a i had a
deep deep condition of malaria where like if
i didn't get a miracle and a breakthrough here
i was going to die and i said i prayed for i
prayed for you in that time know that i prayed
for you in that time that This is what came up.
And he's like, that's amazing. But just the amazing
links of how God, how God links these links between,
you know, human beings, between our subconscious,
between the dream life, like that was for somebody
else's benefit. Like there is a small category
of dreams where, you know, it's outside of just
what's happening in our own life. It could be
for somebody else. And I'm so glad that I responded.
To what I saw, I didn't just disregard that as,
oh, I don't need to pray for him. I'm sure it's
probably just a figment of my imagination, but
I acted upon that. Therefore, I want to encourage
our audience listening right now just in this
in this mode right here. Don't disregard something
that looks silly. Don't do it. Embrace it because
just like Chronicles of Narnia, just like Lord
of the Rings, just like these stories, the alchemist,
all these things that we come to appreciate,
your dreams are a living parable. They're a living
parable of language that are waiting to be unpacked.
And don't disregard your dreams because one dream
could change your life. It could change somebody
else's life. Yeah. Man, there's like just a whole
bunch of things percolating my brain here. Because
I think like, what I was saying is that, you
know, the message that you shared was, is a great
lesson for people like me or just people in general,
to know that you want to be open to what dreams
are, because they're, it's really truly a part
of us. And I think it's just being open to those
dreams. And how do you Share to someone like
hey just be open to the dream and don't like
you said, you know, don't discard it You know,
this could be something that's being shown to
you to share with somebody else or what like
in your situation You're praying for someone.
Yeah, don't don't disqualify yourself when when
the race hasn't even started yet Like, you know,
there's so the race is yet to begin. But when
it does begin don't disqualify yourself just
just just qualify yourself because look between
me, between Michael, between the two of us and
audience listening right now, there's no difference
between me and Michael and you when it comes
to dreams. Everybody has dreams. Yeah, like as
far as as far as do you dream every night or
do you dream once a week or once a month or that
that's something else to be explored entirely.
But as far as dreaming scientifically, everybody
dreams, everybody dreams. And if you have sleep
apnea, well, you know, I I believe in this principle
we talked about. We've been talking about this
all throughout the conversation. Maybe you're
thinking, okay, Caleb, I got sleep apnea. I can't
fall asleep. Therefore, I'm not qualified to
dream. Well, this is where speaking to your subconscious
comes into play. And that is getting into a meditation
that's speaking to your trying being place comes
into play. Speak to your subconscious, speak
to your spirit, speak to your mind, will and
emotion, speak to your body. Because at a cellular
level, because we know that cells respond to
the spoken word, when you speak to your mind
and you speak to your brain, you speak to your
entire immune system to respond to peace, peace
is going to come. Now, whether that comes overnight
or in a week or in months or years of practice,
this is something that you have to exercise and
work out. But and for those of you thinking,
OK, this sounds a little bit ridiculous. Like
like it's really like it's not that easy. Well,
it's not easy, but also it can't hurt to try.
It really can't hurt to try to speak to your
immune system to respond because we've all been
there, right? Say. oh well it's flu season oh
that person's sick oh how come you got me sick
well if we stress ourselves up to the one that
place to where we're gonna get sick and we get
sick that's on me that's on you it's like whereas
if you say you know what i'm gonna push away
the outer distractions and i'm gonna prioritize
my sanctuary prioritize your place There is a
place. That's one of my favorite teachings from
one of one of my spiritual teachers over the
years. He had this teaching called there is a
place and and the story of Jacob in the Bible
says that when he reached a certain place, then
he put the stone down the ground, had hit the
stone and then he saw any dream. When we reach
a certain place in our life where we connect
with peace. Then that is the place where it's
the potting soil of revelation. Peace is the
potting soil of revelation. When we have peace
in our life, revelation follows. That's a principle.
That's powerful, man. Caleb, there's so many
things that we can really dive into. I mean,
we can be on this podcast within the two hours.
I don't think people's attention span is that
long. But not right now. There's a few. But there
was, you know, I think that was a great place
to really end and maybe pick up at a different
time in the future. But I know that one of the
things I wanted to talk about, I know we won't
be able to do right now, but you had like in
the past, I've had guests who had these three
C's or these five C's and all this kind of stuff.
And I know you had the three C's, but then upon
deeper research you had three levels of three
C's and and I was like okay well I was going
to start with that but then that's just kind
of this kind of how the conversation went and
so we'll talk about that at a different time
but I just want to let you know that I loved
that and really I mean just want to say thank
you for being on the podcast but landing here
What question do you wish people would ask themselves
about their inner world before they take their
next leap decision or where they choose to go
for their next chapter in life? The question
I would hope that people would ask themselves
is what are the sea links of my day by day and
in the night season that I've glossed over? What
are those experiences in my everyday, at my work,
with my family, my friends, with nature? What
are those moments that I've glossed over, that
I've missed, where life has been speaking to
me, that I need to go back and re -explore those
moments again? Because it's not too late. It
is not too late. As long as you and I, we have
breath in our lungs, and we have a pulse, it's
not too late. Don't let anybody or anything ever
tell you that it's too late to start, to be able
to take an assessment of those sea links in your
day by day and in the night season and those
dreams that you're receiving while you're sleeping.
And as Michael is saying, I've got three Cs,
I've got different categories of Cs, I've got...
levels of teaching things that of course would
be lovely to go over in a different time and
place but I want to emphasize if you enjoyed
me on Michael's show and thank you by the way
Michael for having me on your amazing podcast
you can follow me on YouTube at the sea link
and that's where hit subscribe would love to
have you on my channel and follow along the journey
as well too and love to take you along on the
ride and it's complimentary content to inspire
you to reach the purpose to which you've been
created because that's that's that's the main
boiling point is reaching the purpose to which
we can create and I believe you can do it if
nobody else has told you this no other voice
nor the stranger no other individual has told
you that you can you can you will reach the purpose
to which you've been created by god and i'll
leave the audience with this i'll leave everyone
with this one of the most famous kings in history
called king david It says that when he reached
the end of his life, it says that his life was
full of days, not empty of days, not half of
days, not a quarter of days, but full of days.
And that's the place that I want to reach individually.
And that's the place that I believe you can reach
when you follow the sea links of your DNA of
design and walk out the purpose to which you've
been created by God, full of days. So I declare
that over you listening to right now everybody
listening every soul every person every person
from every country in every place that your life
Whenever your life concludes and when you reach
the finish line is going to be full of days So
I encourage you with that. May you be fueled
with that reality in your subconscious Thank
you. Michael for having me on the show you got
it with that being said you know follow the uh
caleb sorry because you talk about king david
i'm about to call you david contact i mean stay
in contact with caleb or get on his youtube channel
at his t h e s e e link right not sea but se
link um and really connect with him especially
if you want to learn how to if you want to really
distinguish your your dreams and really understand
what the three C's that we talked about, the
three categories of the three C's. I'm sure he'll
be able to share that with you on his YouTube.
And this conversation has been more than, you
know, it's been depth, it's been enlightening,
it's been fulfilling. And thank you for being
here and thank you for sharing yourself with
our audience. It's a pleasure. As we always say,
let's make thriving your new normal. and we'll
see you next podcast. Take care.