There's so many angles and venues to be able
to go into the healing part and the healing part
usually is As a you know as a human being and
as a baby we come to this world taking things
And finding our own identity and creating our
own identity based on you know, not only our
genetics but also our environment which is our
parents and how they were with us our siblings
are our neighborhood, our community, the culture
we were raised in. So the bad news and the good
news is you can't run away from that part. No.
No. You're running and running and running in
a circle. Yeah. So the bad news is you can't
get away. The good news is you can't get away.
And it does allow you to go back and bring them
in. Bring them in from a whole different place.
Because in that place, as I said, We were left
with powerlessness. And it's true, like how much
power does a two -year -old or a three -year
-old or a five -year -old have? I mean, we have
power as much as our age and circumstances. It's
the skills. And if we weren't taught those skills
as part of how we were growing up, we wouldn't
have it. You know, if parents really learned
the skills... of really becoming aware of themselves,
clean up what happened to them as they grew up,
while they're going, you know, they're working
with the next generation, a lot of the, you know,
multi -generational traumas would stop. What
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We're walking through a 22 -week series built
to anchor each week in intention, purpose, and
meaningful connection. I do so look forward to
hearing your voice and can't wait to see you
in the group. But for right now, let's get into
it. I want to say welcome to the travel journey.
How are you doing, Dr. Fujian? Fantastic. Thank
you for the invite. It's a joy to be with you
and everyone who's listening or watching us.
Yes, it is a joy. And when Yvonne and I got your
information and was looking up, I'm so excited
to talk to you. And I started to go and meet
Mira. Is it Mira or Mira? Mira. Mira, we'll talk
about her later, but so that we can kind of get
the world of who you are. And before we dive
into the method and everything, I'd love to ask
you, like, when was the last time you felt completely
aligned with your purpose? And what did that
moment teach you about yourself? I can say the
minute that I decided to become a psychotherapist
and You know, it was more like I went to school.
I did everything. I said, you know, when I was
about 16, I said, I'm going to be by the age
of 30. I'm going to have my own business. I'm
going to own my home. I'm going to be married
and I'm going to be happy. By age 28, I got my
home. I was married. I bought my home and I had
my first business. I was unhappy. So, if that
took me to a lot of the self -growth seminars,
right, like Tony Robbins, Landmark, a lot of
these amazing courses, and I started really working
on myself, and I started looking at the deep,
deep concepts that there was so much there of
my childhood era, things that were very much
unfinished that they kept coming. And just I've
learned how to survive. I just never learned
how to live and thrive and then just live and
enjoy and hold and gratitude. So no matter what
I did, the anxiety would be there. It would follow
me. And then it didn't matter how much I achieved
exactly what I said I go into. So supposedly
now I should feel satisfied. It just wasn't.
It was like, what's next? What's next? What if
this is not it? What if this is taken away from
me? What if, you know, I need more? And it was
this concept that took me into the seminars and
then from there, because I wanted to work deeper
for myself, I went and started going to psychotherapy.
And then I fell in love with this concept of
learning about ourselves, because our mind, they're
just fascinating. So starting to learn about
that and then heal myself. And as people were
coming to me to see this beauty of healing happening,
this was like, this is it. This is my mission.
My mission is to make a difference in people's
lives in a way that is beneficial for them and
to create a space for them so that they can learn.
how much they're responsible for their happiness,
and they deserve to be joyous and happy. And
there is a way to do that. Like, no matter how
the outside circumstances are, there is a way
that we could create joy and happiness and gratitude
for ourselves as we move forward and create the
success tangibly. But more than anything, Michael,
feel the success because so many people tangibly
create the success. But they don't experience
it. There is a difference. When you made that
shift for yourself, what was it? Was it like
just a moment? Was it a situation that happened?
Were you like, okay, I have all this that I said
I'm going to have by this date or this time,
but I'm not happy. Was there a moment that says,
okay, I need to go find myself somewhere in something
else so that I can be happy? Yeah, it was the
moment of achieving it. Because you're always
thinking, okay, I'm not happy until I achieve
this. I'm not happy until I make this much money.
I'm not happy until I'm married to the person
who I said I want to. I'm not happy until I have
my first business or I have my home. So when
you start gaining those and then you're like,
well, I'm still not happy. So what's gonna make
me happy and it's like at one point it's pointless.
Okay How many other goals can I put in front
of me and do? Everything so that I can achieve
it and then get to the same place that I am here
now So the moment that I saw that I'm not I gained
everything I said I will you know, I used to
write down like by this time I'm gonna gain this
right like you create a smart goal, right? We
all learn how to envision the goal write it down
put it down create them ways to get there and
then you want to get there, and then you get
there. And every angle of that goal is done except
the fulfillment that you feel about life. And
then that moment was like, okay, this path isn't
working. And the path that other people told
me, you know, only if you did your education,
only if you did these things, you will be happy.
Well, that didn't work out. So although I wanted
to take role modeling from other people, but
I also had to find what makes me happy. And part
of what I needed to do was to change my frame
of mind about what life looked like, what struggles
look like, what feelings were, where thoughts
were, what belief systems were holding me back
regardless, what things from the past I was holding
back and not knowing how to let them go, which
even though I was trying to get ahead, But it
kept coming and sabotaging me. It kept coming
in, you know, shifting my mood and holding me
down. What patterns from outs of, you know, subconscious
patterns I was holding that although I was married,
but something would come in and sabotage that
marriage or my behaviors. And, you know, I wouldn't
see that I had a cause at this and that I could
change this. You know, sometimes you're like,
OK, life is given to me and I'm a victim of it.
Or life. Yeah, life. is life, it happens. And
I can think about how to co -create mine within
it. So I think if you say, was there a moment
as like, yeah, the moment was I received everything
I said, and then I'm like, okay, I'm not happy.
And then the happiness showed up in the connection
of me to me and the connection of me to human
beings, other people who we sat together, and
I saw them connecting with the best side of themselves.
And then it was like, You know, this is it like
this is this is the most amazing Place to be
where you get to connect with yourself and you
get to be with other people who are also Connecting
with the best of them. Yes, and you're talking
about community Yes community. Yeah when You
okay, so you you were Um, you went to landmark
or, and you went to, and, and, uh, 20, 20 Robbins.
So, so first of all, just full disclosure, I
did, I did, or do still do landmark. And I think
it's a very powerful, um, self awareness kind
of thing. Um, you did these wonderful things.
Um, do you, what, where did that help you in
your awareness of what you needed next? I think
Landmark really opened my eyes to different paradigms
and really a sense of responsibility, where before
this concept of, you know, I'm doomed and, you
know, I'm always having a reaction to the outside
world and somehow, you know, it's the outside
world that is doing it. I think the frame that
Landmark brings in, how your perception and how
you change that with there's an event and then
those perceptions that you have. And I think
as I went along, you know, not only like forum
and advanced, but I went into the higher levels
of, you know, the wisdom courses and many of
those courses. It's truly a shift of paradigm,
completely a shift of paradigm on how we look
at matters and things that are happening. And
I think each course just brought such an openness
for me and an acceptance for me. That I, you
know, I'm very indebted and I think it's, you
know, I recommend for anybody to go and really
experience that. So, it does have its, its opening,
but it's a group work, you know, and a lot of
times the level of a community that you create,
some of my best friends still come, you know,
we went through these journeys together. So,
so my best friend came from these kind of community
and we create the same kind of language and understand
and move forward. I needed something deeper than
that. So obviously I went to psychotherapy and
I looked at deeper work and a little bit more
individualized work. But I think that any of
the self -progress courses that we go, it gives
us another level of opening. And I think group
work gives us another level of opening because
it isn't just what you bring, but you really
share the concept of humanity and you accept
yourself because you watch other people share
angles of their life where they shared with you
and you feel the same way or some of the angles
where you weren't looking, you know, it was like
a blind spot for you. And in the groups, when
people are sharing about their concepts, it also
sheds a light from a part of you that it was
a blind spot and you didn't see it. So I think
there's such a value in this type of work, which
we do as a community together. Yeah. So you made
that shift. So when did you start with psychotherapy?
I started side by side. Like, you know, the first
year that I went into all of these courses, then
I started going to psychotherapy. And then immediately,
like within six months of psychotherapy, I went
back to graduate school to become a psychotherapist.
But the journey continues. Yeah, I don't think
that I've been a psychotherapist for 32 years.
I can tell you the journey of self recovery and
self, you know, actualization is a day by day
concept. I don't think there's any day that I
stopped looking at what's going on with me. It's
fascinating in there. What is psychotherapy?
So for people that don't know that really don't
understand what it is, what is Sure psychotherapy
is I mean obviously different theories that you
know look at different angles of things and the
concept of it itself is that when you are sitting
with someone who is with you with the utter level
of love and acceptance and really allows you
to see yourself within those lights and so the
context of psychotherapy is love and acceptance
of someone who is not part of your family, but
there's nothing personal there, but they're watching
you and holding you and in this space of healing.
And then depending on what theory the people
are using, some theories say that you change
your thought processes and your emotions will
change and behavior. Emotional theories say you
focus on your emotions, name them, release them,
and then you look at the thought and the behaviors
they change. Some behavior... therapy says you
change your behaviors and with that thought and
emotions change mind body changes your body structure
and all of that changes trauma work you know
does that so there's so many angles and venues
to be able to go into the healing part and the
healing part usually is as a you know as a human
being and as a baby we come to this world taking
things and finding our own identity and creating
our own identity based on, you know, not only
our genetics, but also our environment, which
is our parents and how they were with us, our
siblings, our neighborhood, our community, the
culture we were raised in. So we form our identity
from there. And some of this, you know, and as
we move along, we have perceptions about things
and we build this kind of a storyline which is
very personal storyline based on what we receive.
So even in twin studies, if they were exactly
from the same parents, same genes, being in the
same environment, same culture, you could see
that still the narrative and the story that someone
creates for themselves is different from the
other. So each person has a beautiful... narrative
of the story of who they are and who the world
and how the world is for them that they operate
by. And, you know, if it works for them, awesome.
But there's a lot of these belief systems that
get created and were perceived based on assumptions
that we have that are not workable, but we're
kind of like, hold on to them. And maybe it was
working for a two -year -old or a five -year
-old. It just doesn't work anymore for a 40 or
50 -year -old. And it has to be upgraded. But
there's so much in the subconscious that would
just act out without necessarily knowing where
these belief systems are coming. So part of psychotherapy
and some forms of psychotherapy is to actually
go and bring up some of these belief systems.
Where does it come from? How did you gain them?
if there were traumas to let them go and kind
of like assess whether those beliefs are still
working for you or not and then build skills.
So areas that you don't have skills of how to
be with yourself or how to communicate, how to
negotiate and do that and then those also gets
you know given to you or at least led you to
where is it that you need to get because you
don't know how. So as I went through different
learning different theories all these years and
practicing them with my clients I looked at what
each one of these theories had, which was the
best, like the golden nugget of each, and somewhere
where one had a limitation, the other one came
in and I kind of fulfilled it. So based on that,
anything that I had ever learned, I had ever
learned from, you know, Tony and Landmark and
every single theory, you know, cognitive theory,
emotional theories, behavioral theories, trauma
-informed theories, hypnosis, all of those, as
I brought them into the sessions, Then it was
like, oh, I created like a structure that was
just doing things more faster and more efficient
because I was taking the best of what the theories
were out there and kind of, you know, connecting
them together where I saw it fit. And it just
kind of like, it elevated that theory to the
next level. And that's how the birth of awareness
integration theory showed up from practicing
a lot of these years with everything that I had
learned. and then I taught them to my other therapists
who were working with me. I had an agency where
I used to train therapists and I still I train
therapists for their elective residency, like,
for them to get their hours for their board exams.
And then I taught them and they started working
with their clients. And that's how, you know,
then we started doing research and seeing, you
know, what the numbers were. And that's how the
AIT got formed. It was born and kind of started
working. And then we did this on a self -help
because I wrote a self -help book, Life Reset.
And then two of my colleagues in California State
University, Long Beach, they decided, oh, this
is self -help, so let's create a program. We
created a program for four of their. Courses
where they could just offer it to their students
by guided journaling like no therapy. No coach
Just kind of like, you know putting in a format
of guided journaling So they you know give each
each week. We would give them one module like
one area of life You know how you are with your
business how you are with your career how you
are with your intimate relationship How you are
with your body, right? So each day each week
we'll give them one module and let them go through
all of these phases And we still got like, you
know, a 71 % or 67%. I don't have all the numbers.
We've done so much research of taking away depression,
minimizing depression and anxiety, and then raising
their self -esteem. It's like, wow, it actually
also works on a self -help level. And that's
where it led itself to the app, because we figured,
okay, if this can work on a self -help level,
let's put it in an app so everybody has access
to it. So Fuzhan app got created. Fuzhan app
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The thread that connects them all is that where
I also brought them into the AIT is like there's,
you know, first of all, we all live in relationships.
So definitely we all, we find our identity in
relatedness. So it's important what type of relationship
we create, whether with ourselves or other people.
So we want to open up these concepts of how do
I relate from what angle I relate with the world,
right? Like I, how do I see Michael? How would
I like when I first see Michael? What is it that
I see that I like? What is it that I might say
I have an opinion and I don't like? And that's
even before knowing you, right? That's just like
visual, right? Or like your voice. Is your voice,
you know, soothing for me or does it create something
for me? And then the concept is, we all live
in our assumptions, right? So same thing that
I will form opinions about you. Can I wonder
what would Michael think of me and feel about
me? right, in his own world, right? Then I live
in all the assumptions. So if I think Michael
won't like me, or is irritated with me, then
I will react in a particular way, versus saying,
oh, Michael likes me. And he's okay with me,
like he accepts me. So then I'll be free, I'll
be, you know, right? So we live in our assumptions
and we react based on our assumptions, right?
So it's important to be noticing those kind of
assumptions that we live by. besides how I also
think of you or anyone who's out there and how
do I come from prejudgments and then as I come
close to people or even relationships, right?
Like how do I think of my husband? How do I feel
about him? What do I do? you know, that works
or doesn't. Like, you start looking at what behaviors,
what thoughts, emotions, behaviors I have that
are workable and creating the results I want,
and what kind of thoughts, feelings, behaviors
I'm doing, which are not creating, and they're
creating, you know, they're ruining the relationships
and my self -process. And then there's also this
part that I relate to myself, which I bring,
right? So if I am confident and I come and sit
here, Regardless of what Michael does, I will
feel confident. Okay. But if I don't feel confident
and it's like, Oh my God, you know, how's this
going to podcast going to be? If Michael, you
know, regardless of reacting to me or not, you
raise an eyebrow. I would say, Oh my God, see
he's upset with you because I wasn't good enough.
No, no, no, no, no. I will run this thing in
my own head. So. So you could look at. You know,
the way that we perceive the information from
the outside world, the way we take in the data,
the way we perceive it and make up stuff for
ourselves, the way we create meanings around
it. And because of those things, we have certain
feelings that come up. And then because of this,
we constantly act or react and behave. And due
to this matter, we create or co -create the world,
our life and every interaction. we're probably
5 % aware, 95 % not aware, that's what neuroscience
says, that they're all kind of in subconscious.
So the more we become aware, the more we bring
our subconscious to the consciousness, the more
we have choices in the way that we wanna be in
life. So part of the psychotherapy, and especially
the way that AIT works, is to bring you awareness.
And with that awareness, choices gets created.
With that awareness, you'll see it's not because
you're bad, but it's because you might not have
certain skills. And then how do you gain the
skills to be the person who you want? With that
awareness, you can make certain that you could
create clear goals for yourself and be intentional
in living. So if I say I really intend to be
loving, then there's going to be so many areas
throughout the day that will require me not be.
But I can keep coming back, you know, if I say
I'm going to intend to be honest and transparent.
There's so many reasons during the day that will
tell me you don't need to be you could lie right
now. That's true. That's true. Right, right.
So and then how can I come back to being to say
being intentional with life? Awareness. is such
a like, just a powerful thing, be it a concept
or whatever, I don't know. But the older I get,
the more aware I am, right? Just automatically,
well, not necessarily automatically, but I've
done the work, I've done the work on myself.
And you said that, you know, the more aware you
are, the more choices you have. And I believe
that it's almost as if My scope of life has opened
up because I've become more aware. I've become
more aware of who I am in situations. I've become
more aware of how I respond to people. I've become
even more aware, the older I get, with scams,
especially in business. And it's not an automatic
response of damnation. it's just taking the information
in and saying, Okay, this is, this is how I have
to handle this situation. I think is a powerful
thing. And so the awareness, the awareness is
just by itself is just a powerful thing. How
does that? How is the AI T apart from other therapeutic
approaches? Is it? I would like to answer that.
Sure. I think that a little bit of difference
of it is that it does take in awareness. First
of all, I created a structure. So you have like
six phases. And the first phase, three phases
are all about awareness. So what I should say
is let's create two cameras for you. You know,
like the ring cameras that we have around our
home. And I said, put one camera looking inside,
which will monitor your thoughts. your feelings
and your physical sensations, because we feel
feelings in our body, and our body will tell
us, it'll like, it'll give you information, you
know, like, were you walking somewhere, and you
have no idea, but then you're, you know, you've
got says, right, you meet some people, and you're
like, no, yes, so there is definitely, you know,
some senses in your system. And this was before
being a human being and having a frontal cortex,
right? In order to survive, we had to have the
senses that by looking and by hearing, we had
to assess if it's safe or not. So we do assume
as part of our, we project and assume as part
of our survival skills. But so that's one camera,
like if you go in, you're constantly observing
your own thought, your feeling and your body
sensation. The other camera you want to install
watches your own behavior and the impact and
the result that you create based on this behavior.
So this behavior comes out of your thought and
emotions and your intentions that is inside.
That's internal process. The external process
creates this behavior and then your behavior
has an impact. So it doesn't matter if you keep
saying, I'm going to hit you. I'm going to hate
you. I really want to hit you. I really want
to hit you. That's not going to create an impact
unless I actually do. Unless you do, yeah. And
whether the behavior is telling you, I'm going
to hit you, I'm going to create some impact,
or actually hit you, I'm going to create some
impact. But as long as that thing is inside of
me, the impact is very minimal. So you want these
two concepts of what's inside and then how it
transfers outside. And a lot of the coaching
or the psychotherapy, and we do that both, the
psychotherapy and coaching. When we do that is
you're really installing those where people can
really become observant. of themselves in all
of these areas without the commentary. It's not
about now you're going to damn yourself or you're
going to do anything. It's just you take data
in and then you assess the data by is it workable
or isn't? Is this really what you wanted or it
isn't? So if I'm a boxer and Michael, you're
a boxer, if I'm going to say I'm going to hit
you, that's actually between our agreement. Right.
This is something that you and I have actually
agreed upon. And then we're going to see how
each one of us hits better. And I'm going to
be expecting to get hit because that's our agreement.
But that's not the case. Like, that's not what
we agreed upon. And we're not a boxer. Then it's
like, all right, did I, you know, I wanted to
be on his show. He was so gracious to invite
me on his show. And we're having this conversation.
And then I come in and do this. Like was this
helpful what I wanted to do so it's the observation
of based on my goal based on things that I want
to create based on you know being intentional
about life is my thoughts feeling behavior aligned
with what I want to create and if it's it is
awesome let's look at it and do it more If it's
not, then let me assess where it does this feeling
or where does this belief or behavior stems from.
And then so in phase four, then we take it and
go to look at, you know, the memories. What has
happened for me, to me, that I made some of these
decisions in my life? I've made these belief
systems about myself or the world. I've made
these coping mechanisms that are so now subconscious
and they're like automatic that are coming up.
And can I go back and look and revisit from a
part of strength? not only from part of, you
know, I'm a victim or this happened to me and
I need to survive this versus, no, I was even
strong then, you know, I strategized, I survived,
I was resilient, all of those. So coming back
and recreating those memories, rewriting those
memories, because memories are not solid. Memories
always are shaped. So all the research shows
that every time you go back to a memory, you're
reframing it. So I can go back to a memory and
say, poor me, I was abused, I was this and that,
and it was true partially, but it wasn't all
of it. Like you said, as I grow up, the lens
gets bigger and I get it. And so when I go back
to that memory, I'm no longer a three -year -old.
I can go back and look at it from who I am today
and get the bigger picture of what was going
on in that scenario and how I survived it, you
know, how I resiliently pulled through, how even
as a child I, you know, endured or was patient
or was quiet holding until or strategized and
how to get out of it. I mean, those are all strengths,
right, that we were used. So going back and kind
of clearing all of these other pieces that we
left in the closet and never went back. So you
kind of like clean up and sweep up and we do
this in every area of life because sometimes
sometimes Michael you have a skill somewhere
but it hasn't been transferred to other places.
I'm sure people who are with us have experienced
this that in professional settings you know doesn't
matter even if you come across difficult people.
they're, you know, emotionally regulating themselves.
They know exactly how to talk on a professional
level, you know, and disengage from that's happening.
And then they go home, you know, on a holiday
to their parents' home. It's a completely different...
They forget all of their skills and they're,
you know, acting like they were like, you know,
five years old. So then it's important for us
to see what areas of life we've actually gained
skills that we can transfer to other areas of
our life and kind of like grow ourselves up everywhere
and become a whole versus all of this fragmented
parts of us that are hanging out everywhere,
kind of become aware, heal, and become a whole.
And then from that whole place, then set up,
who do I intend to be? What is it I want to create
in my life? and then, you know, create your goals
and action plans and systems and structures in
order to be able to succeed at anything that
you say you want to do. Yeah, I was going to
ask you why is integrating emotions, thoughts
and behaviors so essential in healing, but you
kind of answered it. And the thing I wanted to
say, I would try to make this make sense was
I was talking to some producer and I was talking
about as I guess as I'm, you know, continuing
to succeed in the things that I'm doing, like
before that, it was like, I was trying to get
somewhere, you know, running to become something.
And I'm still becoming something, but the thing
that I failed to do was reconnect with that young
part of me that actually gave me that strength
to be who I am today. And there was such a disconnect.
from who I am today to that person. I mean, things
happen, you know, in the space of when I was
younger to where I am now, but that young person
gave me the drive. That young person gave me
the dream. That young person gave me the goals
that I wanted to create. Not even necessarily
goals, but what I wanted to create for my future.
And I disconnected with that. Just as of lately,
though, I reconnected with that and that emotional
part of me connected with the thoughts of who
I am today that allowed me to just become a fuller
version of who I am. And I was healing, I'm still
healing, but I was healing and when you were
saying, when you were speaking and sharing that,
it was like, that would help so many people to
not just run away from who they were, but reconnect
those parts of them that for the memories that
they had, they think are bad memories, but they're
possibly memories that just really support them
in becoming the person, the greater person who
they are now and reconnect with that person.
Well, the bad news and the good news is you can't
run away from that part. No, I'd be running and
running and running in a circle. Yeah. So the
bad news is you can't get away. The good news
is you can't get away. And it does allow you
to go back and bring them in, bring them in from
a whole different place. Because in that place,
as I said, we were left with powerlessness. And
it's true, like, how much power does a two -year
-old or a three -year -old or a five -year -old
have? I mean, we have power as much as our age
and circumstances, right? But then if we've survived
it, if we've thrived and come to here, obviously,
yes, exactly what you said. It's, you know, the
tenacity, the bazillions of that part of us that
didn't die and didn't go psychotic. Because if
we pressure too much, our ego strength just collapses.
So if my ego strength even as a young child was
so strong enough that held through all of these
things, good for him, good for her, right? Good
for me for having that essence of resilience
that with the other level of powerlessness sometimes,
with the other level of helplessness sometimes,
without the other level of not having skills,
and most of the time not even having the frontal
cortex as a system to help me to move forward,
I still endure. So yes, when we go and kind of
bring that person, that part of us out of the
closet, and it's like, here, yes, you were strong
enough then, and look who we have become. And
this is who we are and we don't have to be separate
again. We have to be one because now we have
access to all of it. We have access to vulnerabilities.
There's still, I don't care how strong we are.
I don't care how many skills we have. There are
going to be circumstances that I'm going to feel
powerless again. I'm going to be helpless. And
I just got to endure the way I endured before
or I'll learn new ways of enduring because this
is a new circumstances. But as a whole, Yes,
it's much easier to move forward as a whole and
have access to all of my strength also We're
So I'm thinking about the the the person listening
That don't necessarily have the skills Not necessarily
skills, but the understanding of how to do that
to reconnect to Begin to allow themselves to
be not as fragmented, but more of a whole and
powerful person. Where do they start? What are
the things, Fotona, 31 areas of life, I'll take
you through all of it and we'll give you exactly
how to do it. The ones who don't want to go,
I'll tell you. The best thing is to look at,
don't become aware, put in those cameras that
I sent to you. And as you become aware, you'll
see that there's some emotions that are coming
up that are appropriate to the situation. Then
you'll see some emotions that are coming up that
just feels too intense for whatever's happening.
Right? So if somebody comes and says something
to me, I could be upset, feel disrespected and,
you know, have an intensity of two or three based
on who they are and whatever it is. And that
might be appropriate. And then I can you know,
share with them what I need and how I like to
be spoken to or what meals and, you know, clear
them. But if somebody comes and says that to
me and that day instead of intensity of two,
I have an intensity of 10 in rage, then I won't,
that's a cue. How come I'm getting so offended?
How come the intensity of my emotion is so high?
What am I making this mean that this is so important
for me? This isn't any longer about the input
that it's coming. But the way that I'm making
meaning out of it, the perceiving and all of
that is making this huge. So then I want to take
that and kind of go, all right, where is this
coming from? You know, where is it that I experienced
this type of belief system or emotions that showed
up for me? And that's the path to go into kind
of like the past and look at where did it show
up? How did it show up? When is it that I made
those decisions? What circumstances were there
where I had to cope this way? And it's still
kind of unresolved and I don't experience all
of my strength and that's why this type of extreme
emotions are coming up. So our extreme emotions
are the Q. to unfinished business, because I
mean, we're human and we're supposed to have
emotions, but the emotions supposedly are matching
the circumstances that are happening. So if it
feels a little bit higher or too much higher
than regular, you know, appropriate emotion for
this intensity, then that's a clue. And how do
we get it? We look at other people around us.
How are they reacting to these pieces? Is mine
a little bit more than them? Or if I share the
scenario with my friends and family, the way
they talk to me, it's like, not a big deal. How
come you're having such an emotional piece with
it? Then it's a cue. Okay, maybe I am overreacting
and let me see where... It's not that I'm bad
or... There's something wrong with me that I'm
overreacting. It just means there's some meaning
or unfinished business that still needs to be
healed and taken care of, which it seems like
if other people don't have the same meaning or
feeling, they're not getting activated as much.
Does that make sense? It does make sense. I was
smiling because it could be something really
simple. My family, they're all Apple people.
iPhone people, whatever. And me and my brother
are Android guys. Say what you want to, you know,
people talking about us all the time. But somebody
put me in a group chat for iPhone. And I mean,
I got livid. Because I don't like being in group
chats and stuff like that. And I just responded,
just like just went off calling the person. I'm
like, it was a Matt family member. I was like,
you know, and It was such a visceral reaction
that what didn't make sense after like about
15, 20 minutes and I was talking to my sister
was around and I was like, did I just overreact
about that? She was like, yeah. And I don't know
what that was. I still don't even know why. Well,
I did because it was like something was taken
out of my control that I didn't want to be a
part of, you know, and and I didn't have a say
in it. And so what you were saying, that's what
kind of stirred inside of me. Exactly. So then
it's taking that concept of, you know, taking
the concept of, okay, I have a reaction to when
I'm not in control, and I don't have a say so
about something. It seems possibly that when
that happens that You know, there might be harm
or there might be disrespect or might be something
that's harmful. So it's not, it's not like a
joyous experience. It's like, if this happens,
then there's going to be some harm happening.
So then it's like taking that concept and seeing
where was the first time or second time that
something like this happened where I was not.
You know, they didn't, I didn't have to say so,
and I was powerless and all of that. And, you
know, something happened, which was not part
of my desire and somehow that. that got stuck
in a sense from that place then therefore we
made a decision right as a human being as an
animal we you know even animals make a decision
uh -oh harm there don't do it again or you know
harm there make sure you don't do it so you know
fight first so these are conditionings for our
survival but sometimes when it becomes conditioned
in that way we're not even realizing that the
conditioning is working much faster than us the
conditioning is doing much faster and going forward
without us actually looking and having appropriate
assessments of what is needed here. So that's
where the awareness shows up. And then if this
keeps happening, I'll know, okay, that's something
I really have to resolve. Yeah. Yeah. I've since
worked on that and know how to respond differently.
It hasn't shown up. Where I felt powerless or
not able to, you know, control the situation
that I didn't have a word in. But when it does
show up, I think, especially after this conversation,
it's a new awareness, another level of awareness
that will show up. And that kind of bridges with
mental health. I was going to start talking about
that. And then to your app, because I'm very
interested in that. But you had mentioned 70%.
improvement in mental health. And I think, is
it with the app or was it with, okay, what contributes
to that level of success for people? That's a
great question. When we've done this with with
psychotherapy and coaching, obviously the numbers
are higher because there's someone there coaching
you moving forward will find a blind spot. And,
you know, obviously when it comes to healing
the past and moving forward, when some when you're
doing this process with another person, a coach
or a psychotherapist, it helps a lot. Right.
I usually say it like this, you know, we all
have had some of these massage toys that we have
that we use at home, you know, that you massage
yourself. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So those
are good. Those are really good. When you're
tired, you come home and you're kind of your
muscles are, you know, stiff and you want some
release at that moment. And that's worse. It's
a very different experience than going to a massage
therapist, right? A masseuse, because You just
allow yourself to be relaxed. You're not the
one who's doing something. They're doing it and
they know what to do. And then imagine another
person has some injury, okay? So a massage therapist
is not enough. They actually have to go to a
specialist where, you know, they go to a physical
therapist, let's just say, or go to a chiropractor
because they need something more than that. So
I usually look at mental illnesses and mental
health from that angle, right? So something like
Fuzhan app is the massage thing that you have
at home So it works for you up to a point because
you're doing is a guided journaling It'll prompt
you it'll ask you questions and then it'll guide
you from one end to the other. It'll give you
It'll give you meditation will give you, you
know guided meditation to go through and really
look at things and move forward with it So that's
how the app works. How did it get, and then,
you know, if you go to a coach or a psychotherapist,
obviously they're there and it'll give you a
higher concepts of higher results of efficacy.
The question was that you asked, how come, you
know, we're getting this high numbers. I think
because when you're looking at depression, and
I'm not talking about chemically induced depression,
I'm talking just like psychological depression.
Psychological depression comes a lot from either
traumas from the childhood or childhood adverse
experiences. If we were raised in an environment
that was not necessarily healing us, nurturing
to us, we pick up information that, you know,
we turn it against ourselves. So when we've...
think that way against ourselves or the world.
If the world hasn't been safe for me or outside,
then I believe these kind of negative belief
systems add to the depression because I've become
powerless, hopeless, and the powerlessness and
the hopeless when I don't think I have control
over the world, then it holds me as a depressive
state. So as we go through this process of awareness,
and we go through the healing the past and completing,
then obviously these all changes. And because
you come back to your sense of power, you can
see why the depression levels minimizes because
we're opening all of these things up. The reason
that I think that anxiety comes down also is
what is anxiety? Anxiety is you create a horror
film and the future of yourself based on some
of the stuff that has happened to the past. So
that's what anxiety looks like. And I'm talking
like a toxic anxiety because we all are supposed
to have anxiety because it's almost like a protective
sense of watch out. So we're not talking on a
protective level of anxiety. We're talking on
a toxic level of anxiety. So that comes because
a part of our system says, I had a bad past,
watch out so it doesn't happen again. What if
this? What if that? What if that happens? Get
ready, do this, don't go there. That's what anxiety
is. So again, you can imagine as I become more
aware of myself, and I've complete the past in
a way, I look at it in another way. So my superimposition
of that negative past to the future lessons,
it ends. Plus that as I move forward in phases
five and six, I am creating goals. I am systematically
creating what is it I'm in control of, what can
I do, how I can move forward. So I'm creating
and envisioning a future which is a little bit
more set. So not only I don't superimpose the
past and the future, but I'm also creating a
future which calls me forward, which is exciting
for me, which I can see what parts of it I have
in control and not, where part I need to skips
skills. That's why it also minimizes the anxiety.
The reason it raises self -esteem and self -efficacy
and self -confidence is because in some of these
phases, I'm changing the way I've thought about
myself. And I'm changing the way that I behave
toward myself. And what is self -esteem is how
I look at myself and see myself as valuable.
What is self -confidence is when I see that I'm
capable. If I change these things that I say
to myself and kind of like constantly scold myself,
when I change that, which is accepting who I
am, loving who I am, being nurturing to who I
am, and even if I'm making mistakes, how do I
talk to myself and nurture myself and motivate
myself to move forward? You can see it raises
self -esteem and self -confidence. So that's
why the numbers are like that. But obviously
the numbers for self -help will be less than
when you are with someone as far as efficacy.
And I think that's the analogy I said. Well,
the impact you're going to get on kind of massaging
yourself is a little bit different than when
you go to an expert massage therapist, which
is, you know, working with your body. Well, I
think it's, first of all, it's great that you
have the ability to have that in the app that
can support people in their daily life. What
kind of feedback are you getting from people
that are actually on the app right now? One of
the feedback is the numbers they gave, because
before they go into each one of these areas of
life that they want to work on, we ask a couple
of questions about how are they fulfilled with
this area. And the same questions are done after
they finish the process. Questions come up and
that's how we're getting the numbers. They're
saying I'm 71 % 75 % in this area 60 % more satisfied
than when I started. Right so that's how they're
the feedback is coming. And based on that sometimes,
you know, obviously we get emails, we get people
who tell us, people who come and actually, you
know, I meet them when I'm doing conferences
that they come and they say, I used it and it
was. The reason we created the chatbot mirror,
AI chatbot mirror. Was because at the beginning,
when we started working with the app and we were
writing and all of that, it just felt like people
were were doing this on their own. And sometimes
they had questions or sometimes they said, I
don't have a skill. Okay. I got it. You know,
I'm aware I don't have the skill. Now what? Right.
So, you know, we created like videos of skill
building videos, but they had to go get out of
the chat and go into like the website to get
all of those. And he was like, well, if we could
bring those some of those skills to you as you're
going along. So then we train the AI chatbot.
And so it answers you from the AI team model.
So as you're going through guided journaling,
you might just pop up Mira and say, now, what
do I do with my husband when he's being pissy
to me? A real thing, people, a real thing. Real
thing, real thing. So then you write down, you
know, I'm sorry that it's being, you know, that
you perceive that your husband is being pissy
to you. Now let's look at a couple of things.
So they give you a couple of like, you know,
reframing questions or reflecting questions.
Have you noticed that? Have you noticed that?
Have you looked at yourself? And they'll give
you skills. Is there, you know, please talk to
him and say this, this, this or do this. I'll
give you like eight or ten skills plus reflective
questions. So you kind of ponder and move forward.
It was interesting. My husband went to his barber.
So as he's sitting there, the barber is talking
to him about himself and, you know, his ex -wife
and his son and saying that at the time that
because they got divorced, you know, the ex -wife
and him were not really talking a lot and his
son. he just felt like he was losing his son
throughout. And he was kind of blaming the ex
-wife and, you know, we don't get that. And so
he said, I don't know what to do. And my husband
pulls his phone up and says, you want to ask
Mira? So they ask Mira and Mira gives him like,
you know, eight or 10, the kind of solutions
that, okay, this is go try these out. So like,
you know, fast forward a month, my husband goes
back to the barbershop again. And so as he's
sitting, he says, What's going on? And he said
I gotta tell you that since I've done everything
because they took pictures, right? Like the following
they took pictures of exactly what we were saying
He says I went home and I started talking to
him I started talking to my ex -wife and I could
tell you within the past 12 years we haven't
had You know a better communication that we've
had this past couple of weeks where we actually
sat down and went through everything that Mira
said, do this, do this, and I listened and I
did that. And I get the results as if I've got
my son back. And my relationship with my ex -wife
came out of hostility. It's no longer hostile.
Because we started looking at, we're both here,
we're no longer married, it's not about the two
of us anymore. And we recommitted in being good
co -parent. and allow my son to have me and me
having my son because it's better for my son
to have his father. So we accepted, you know,
me and my exes accepted that. And then this opened
a little bit of the conversation with my son.
Well, he doesn't have to feel guilty to upset
his mother. And our friend there is working with
me. And that's my dog trying to have it. to the
show, you have obviously have an opinion about
this. Right, she does, or he does. I think that's
really powerful, you know, having something like
that that can, you know, just bring families
back together or, you know, start healing what
needs to be healed in those situations. And that's
probably what makes us different or separate
from other wellness apps that are out there,
right? Yes, I mean, a lot of people right now,
there was actually, I think Gallup did. And research
or a survey, and they said most of people are
getting their psychological. skills from TikTok
at this point. And many people were going to
chat GBT. And chat GBT answers well, not, you
know, putting, I work with chat GBT consistently
and I use it for what it needs to be used. However,
chat GBT hallucinates a lot of these open AIs.
They're called open AI, open generative AI. They
hallucinate because they get active from everywhere.
There's no guards around it. So they'll do anything
and you can train it. and you know we've heard
really horror stories also from where like somebody
was trying to convince that I want to become
a drug dealer I want to kill myself and at one
point it's like yeah go ahead and these are the
ways or go ahead and kill yourself because yeah
because it doesn't have you know a guardrail
around it so it just goes like you could train
it and go after back and forth with it and convince
it because it'll just take from you to the next
level So, and then we also have like boxed rule
-based AIs, and boxed rule -based AIs are the
one you say, if this, then this, if they ask
this, only answer this, and this is how they
work. So, what we brought the, you know, Sam
Chengizi, who's the creator of the app and the
AI, what he has done is brought both of these
together. So, now we have It's a generative AI,
which learns from you and comes back and some
of the things you've journaled, takes your information
from your journal and gives it back to you and
learns from you and brings it. But we've also
created rules around it, definitely for the benefit
of the client and the user. So it keeps it safe.
So, you know, we test it sometimes. It's like.
We go in, like, I want to kill myself, whatever.
So I'm seeing what it says and we box it. We
box those rules. Right. So it's like, OK, this
is and then sometimes now if you ask it something
that it's not supposed to answer, people say,
I'm not trained in that. Could you please call
your physician? I'm not trained in this. Could
you do such and such? Yes, because, you know,
we wanted it to be safe. One of the things that
I've always learned being a therapist. It's always
to the benefit of the client. It has to be safe
for the client. So we wanted to make sure that
it is open enough so that it can generate and
it can become personalized to you. And it's not
just giving you, you know, one size fits for
all answers, but the answers are based on who
you are, which you have trained it to be. But
also it's closed enough and it's a rule based
enough that keeps you safe. So, I think this
is an advantage. I haven't seen such a thing
in the market at all. And I'm really thankful.
Yeah, I'm really thankful to, you know, Sam for
being able to create this to bring these 2 together
in a sense. And, you know, the future is we're
making it audio right now. It's only written.
So we're bringing it into audio. So even people
can can just talk and the part, you know, just
writes for them and journals. Then you could
talk to Mira. And when you do that, also, when
we're bringing the new technology, then at this
point is only English language. So hopefully
we can bring it to different languages because
when it's audio and all of that, it exchange
through those a lot. So those are the improvements
that consistently we're working on the next phases
and the next phases. But so far, I think still,
because, you know, from a marketing perspective,
we're constantly looking at what's out there
and, you know, how we can. At this point in the
market, we still don't have anything that is
that looks like it. So it is mental health. It's,
you know, again, disclaimer for everyone. This
is not for people with truly mental illnesses.
I think you need more of a. You know, one on
one, you need professionals, you need to be heard
and. Be with someone who can assess best this
is the app is really for people who are. You
know, they're not mentally mental illnesses,
but they're mentally healthy. They just need
skills for life. You know, I think most everybody
experiences anxiety and depression sometimes
in their life, or they just, you know, they don't
even have anxiety and depression, but they have.
questions about life. They like to be here, you
know, working better. So mental well -being,
mental health and well -being is what the app
and Mira is for. And then for people who need
more concentrated health, then to go to psychotherapists
and coaches across the world, which we're training
so that they can actually get this theory and
this model, but with someone who's an expert
and really can, you know, work with them specifically.
Yeah, I think it's important to say, especially
if somebody's dealing with some real mental illness,
that's go to a person that's a doctor that can
really support you and help you in that illness.
If the world adopted AIT and the Fuzhan app today
or tomorrow or whenever, how do you think that
would... How do you feel that that would be different
for all of us if we adopted that AIT and the
Vujana? I think the beauty of this, my hope is
that eight billion people on the face of the
earth have access to it, have access and they
can use it in any format that works. I'm hoping
that suffering becomes less because I think there's
a lot of issues that are in the world. But the
suffering internally, is something that we can
minimize by the way that we change our belief
systems and thought process and behavior toward
whatever is happening from the outside world.
So I'm hoping to minimize that suffering. And
I'm hoping that we could create a system and
I'm working with people, we're bringing it into
daycare, we're bringing it into school systems,
we're teaching it in universities where the group
like, highest level of suicide is at this point
with the high school and the first two years
of college and that. So, you know, we're bringing
it into universities and all of that. One of
the interesting things I just wanted to share
with you, because this was really sweet to hear.
There's a daycare in Tarzana. Dr. Manoukian has
about seven years ago. She said she had experienced
AIT on herself. She really loved it. She said,
I want to create a daycare. She went across the
world. you know, and to different places in child
rearing and she got her PhD in developmental,
you know, early childhood development. So she
started with this daycare and we adapted this
model to a proactive model of how to even, you
know, kind of train infants and, you know, two
-year -old and three -year -old and their parents
in this model and move forward. So yesterday
I was talking to her and we were talking about
how she wanted to extend this and write the manuals
and do all of that so she could license these
daycares with the concept of AIT. And I was sharing
with her about, well, this is how we want to
talk to the child and as we're talking to the
child. And she started laughing and she said,
I just want to share something with you. At the
beginning, when I started with the daycare, I
had to teach this to each child. How to think
what are the feelings? How do you behave? What
do you do when you want something if something
is happening in your body? It is an emotion how
to recognize it how to release it how to say,
okay I want to do this with this child. I want
to go play but you know, they're taking my toy
How do I do that? So I needed to do this with
every single child who came into the sex is you
know, the daycare And she said I realized this
past year I haven't had to do that because the
kids who are here already and the staff and everybody,
this has become part of the culture. So as a
new child walks in, they just learn and walk
into this culture of becoming responsible about
their emotions, sharing it. Being loving to each
other, working through coordinating, negotiating
with each other. She said, I didn't even notice
how effortless this thing has come because now
the system has become a culture itself. So when
you say what my hope is, is that that becomes
part of the culture that from childhood we learn
to become aware. We don't have to wait until
we're 30, and then we're like, oh, what happened?
What did I do? We have to go clean up. But from
childhood, we learn how to regulate our emotion.
We gain these skills as we're growing up in our
own community. We learn the skills to be responsible
for who we are, to be accountable for what we
do and what we say and all of it. And learn how
to, you know, intentionally live a beautiful
life and be loving and courteous to each other.
So that would be truly my dream if 8 billion
people got access to it. Well, through like things
like this, you know, people become more aware
of the AIT concept and then also the Fujian app.
And I think that's like you spoke to like someone
of that age in the daycare, um, them having what
we call it now, emotional intelligence, um, that
kind of, that level of emotional intelligence
and understanding at such an age that grows with
them. And that's, that's pretty, that's pretty,
that's great. Yes, absolutely. Because again,
it's the skills. And if we weren't taught those
skills as part of how we were growing up, we
wouldn't have it. You know, if parents really
learn the skills of really becoming aware of
themselves, clean up what happened to them as
they grow up while they're going, you know, they're
working with the next generation, a lot of the,
you know, multi -generational traumas would stop.
Yeah. Because they would take care of themselves.
They would heal themselves before they go and,
you know, go into a union. then the way they
choose a union would be different. Then when
they have a child, the way they raise their child
would be different because they took care of
themselves. They took care of themselves, yeah.
This is wonderful. We're going around the conversation
up here, but there's a couple things I want to
know. One is if You had one message to leave
to someone who was silently struggling with being
aware or just their emotional intelligence. What
would that message be right now? I just want
to say there's nothing wrong with you. You just
need to learn the skills and you can do it. You
deserve it. And more than anything, I think you're
responsible. You're fully responsible to take
care of you. To learn how to be happy because
you deserve to be happy and it's a learned everything
is learned every the moment We you know, we're
learning when we're on our mother's wool. We're
learning these neural, you know Our brain is
getting completely set So every angle is learning
if this neuroplasticity is consistently working
could be 90 years old It's still working. It's
you know, you could you could work with it and
it creates a more synapses. So we can choose
how we need to grow. Yeah. We can choose how
we need to grow. As your last words on the podcast
today, the conversation has been great, first
of all. Even though I didn't say it, there was
a moment where I kind of teared up a little bit
because it was really resonating with me what
you were saying. But as your last words on the
podcast today, Which way should I go? Well, first
of all, before you go to the last words, how
does someone get in touch with you? My own website,
fujanzang .com, myname .com, awarenessintegration
.com, if people want to know about awareness
integration. fujang .com is about the app, so
you could go there and learn about the app, or
you could go into Apple and Android. And Android.
We love you. Android, you got both so that, you
know, both of both of those groups can have it
and you could get it from Apple store. But if
you want to learn about it more, you could definitely
go to Fuzhang .com. So any of these three, three
websites will lead you and get more information.
All the social media, you know, you could contact
me through any of the social media that you like.
Dr. Fuzhang Zayn are there. Right. We'll have
that all in the description. And yes, this is
an Android. Okay, and there's the here's the
app right here. Before it went further, but there's
the monthly plan, quarterly plan and a yearly
plan here. Three days free. So go check out the
three days free. Yeah, play with it and see if
you like it and then take it on. Perfect. Perfect.
Perfect. Perfect. So again, we brought it back.
So for your last words on the podcast, What's
on your mind, your spirit that you would love
to just share with people as we're closing up
this conversation? I think love is our essence.
And what I say with love is an essence of just
acceptance of what is and who we are and who
humanity is, who every one of us are. But to
look at each other from love. I love that. I
love that. That's the essence of our connection.
It's the essence of our connection together.
And we can't live without each other. No human
can live without each other. So I think we should
just get it together and live together with love.
I mean, that's who we are. Our essence is love.
And Michael, for 30 years, 32 years, every time
that I work with someone, when you took off this
pain, Love showed up. You didn't have to insert
it. You just took off the pain and love showed
up. So we're love. You know, that's who we are.
We are that essence of acceptance and there's
just energy of love. And it's like, you know,
take off this mud that keeps creating, you know,
and we keep creating. And the minute you take
that off, this love shines. And again, we're
species. Like any other species, maybe not panda
bears, which are alone, but species of human
being are, we're herd. And, you know, we need
to look at how to bring this herd together globally
and just be, you know, grateful. About grateful
of who we are. Look at what the species has done.
the beauty of what we have created. It's a beautiful
species. We just need to be grateful for who
we are and stop the separation. Stop the separation
with who we are and stop separating from each
other. From each other. I love that. Once you
take up the pain, love shows up. That's amazing.
Dr. Vujon, thank you so much for not only being
here, but really being present in the moment,
sharing your heart and sharing what could make
a difference in people's lives and in the world.
So thank you for being here. Thank you for the
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