I was raised in a world where the only thing
I knew was somebody telling me when I was young,
Pericles, you're going to always have debt, so
don't worry about that. And I thought, OK, I'm
going to always have debt, so it's OK. And the
more debt I had, I'm like, well, he said it was
OK. That's just the way it is. And so I lived
in this broken relationship with money where,
OK, it's OK to have debt. And then in my 20s,
late 20s, I realized, whoa, this is out of control.
So what would you say to somebody that is hoping
to discipline themselves? to, you know, get better
with their money. I think the first and most
important thing is to get present to what is
it you truly want in your life. And I think for
some people, you're gonna be like, I just like
it the way it is. And if that's where you are,
great. This is not the conversation for you.
And I got no judgment about that. That's totally
fine. This isn't for everyone. There are a lot
of people that will hear this and like, yeah,
that's fine. But if you're truly in a place where
you know what I'm done with this. I'm done with
whatever it is I've been doing and I really want
to start creating and building wealth then look
to see what is that that you truly want. If we
say to ourselves I want money to flow to me easily
and abundantly every single day and then we see
a penny on the ground and say yeah but I don't
want that. You just shifted from I want money
to flow to me easily and abundantly to I don't.
So it is all about I'm declaring right now that
I have financial freedom, that I have a sense
of enough. Now does that mean I never want to
make more money? No, it doesn't mean that at
all. It just means I'm living in a state of,
a declared state of financial freedom. Because
I say so. I've gotten things into a place of
whatever that place is where I can now declare
I am in a state of financial freedom. Now I continue
to do and create the games that I like to play
on a financial level like this What I'm playing
for next this is what I'm going for next Does
not mean that we stop because that we live in
a world where we're either contracting or expand
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it. What if your relationship with money is really
a reflection of your relationship with yourself?
What if the key to true wealth isn't found in
your hustle, but in your healing? So today I'm
sitting down with Pericles relish the transformational
mind behind reset your financial thermostat to
explore how shifting your money mindset can unlock
lasting prosperity, purpose, and peace. So whether
you're a new entrepreneur or building your next
big thing, this conversation could be the breakthrough
that you'll be waiting for. So let's get right
into it. And once again, Pericles, how you doing?
Michael, I'm doing great. It's great to be here.
Thanks for having me on. Yeah, man. Again, I'm
excited to have you on. My producer, she was
in love with, you know, all the information that
she's got from you. And so with that being said,
what's like on your mind today? Like what's like
the forefront of your mind? Yeah, you know, it's
so interesting. You should say that because I
just posted something from this morning. I was
talking to a client who is hyper stressed out
about kind of everything that's going on right
now. You know, there's just a little bit of chaos
happening. And regardless of where you fall on
the political spectrum, it's not a political
conversation. It's about people being stressed.
And the first thing I tell people when they start
to deal with stress is, okay, You need to disengage
from that which is causing you stress. And what
we find out is people are reading the news every
morning. They're reading the markets every morning.
They're reading the social media posts and then
they're reposting and they're ranting and they're,
you know, you can feel the energy just start
to take them over. And the first thing that I
recommend to them is you got to disengage. You
got to stop watching all of those social media
posts. You've got to stop reading all the news.
None of it's going to change. And you getting
stressed out and freaked out isn't going to make
any difference. It's only going to impact you
on a day to day basis. And it's going to start
to impede your ability to thrive in this world
to create the kind of success that you want.
So that's what's that's really what's on my mind
this morning. You know, I second that. I felt
victim to that because you know, owning a business
and you've seen how things go and then you're
looking at what's going on in the media. I find
myself like, I think they call it doom scrolling
or whatever. And looking at certain things, but
I had to can be aware of what's happening, but
also had to disengage from really falling victim
to the stories that I keep hearing because there
may be truth to it, but it's not maybe necessarily
the truth to what can happen in your world. So
I had to kind of disengage with that. So yeah,
yeah. So we just have to remember to that the
media is the media is there to get ratings. And
so that's their purpose, they're going to do
what they need to do to bring in more people
and that and the same thing for social media,
you know, they want that clickbait, they want
something that's shocking, that pulls people
in. Well, that's great. We need to make sure
we're taking care of ourselves focus on what
you can change focus on what you can make a difference
in focus on the things that you love, the people
that you love, the work that you love, get back
to work, do what you do, do what you love. And
the rest will get sorted out. They all get sorted
out always does. Well said. Yeah, it always does.
Right. And I believe that this is the kind of
mindset that you have when we talk about money.
And this is how we're going to get deep into
it. I'm sure that, you know, people who are watching
or listening, they have lots of questions about,
you know, money mindset and maybe a shift that
they may need. I know I do have some questions
about that, but you talk about your relationship
with money and you stated that our relationship
with money is a mirror of our relationship with
ourselves and the world around us. Can you talk
about that a little bit more? Yeah, it's something
that's evolved over the years that I've been
doing this, but I've really started to see it
more clearly that when we have doubts about ourselves,
Or when we have issues with ourselves, with who
we are, that's reflected in our relationship
with money. Well, I have doubts about whether
I'm gonna make enough money. I have doubts about
whether it's enough money. I have doubts about
whether it's whatever it is we're questioning.
Well, I look and notice, well, you're questioning
yourself. And so of course you're gonna be questioning
whether or not you have enough money. If you
don't have enough joy in your life, Well, then
that's gonna reflect on I need more money for
joy I need more money for joy I need more money
for joy and you're down this rabbit hole or on
this hamster wheel of Trying to get joy in your
life by bringing more money into your life. Well
money's not gonna bring you joy Money might bring
you things that will have you experience something
in a joyful way But the source of your joy the
source of your happiness the source of your fulfillment
all come from within So if we're looking for
money to supply that to or provide that for us,
it's not gonna work. And that's why a lot of
people end up in a broken relationship with money.
Because they say, if I just get to $100 ,000,
everything will be fine. If I just get to $200
,000, everything will be fine. And they keep
hitting these milestones, but it's never fine.
And so when we stop and we look and we say, okay,
I gotta stop looking at money and start looking
at myself. And I realize, wow. I could actually
get joy in my life or I could get the sense of
fulfillment, satisfaction, love in my life right
now. Whether the money ever comes or not, I've
got in my life that sense of security, that sense
of joy and happiness. Then that opens it up for
money to actually flow to us rather than us trying
to fight our way to get enough money to have
that thing in our life. Why do you think people
get it so backwards? I think it's the world we
live in. We live in a social media world. We
live in a world where we see people pretending,
and this is not everyone, but there are a lot
of people pretending to live a, quote unquote,
jet set life. And it looks like they're happy
and it looks like, oh, they've got these amazing
lives and lifestyles and all of this. But we
don't really see what's behind the curtain. And
so we want to emulate that. And we think, wow,
if I if I look like I have a lot of wealth, then
everybody's going to think I'm really cool, and
they're going to think I'm wealthy, and I'm going
to be happy. Well, in fact, the exact opposite
is what's going on. I'm most people not all there
are some content creators out there who are actually
experiencing that kind of wealth, they're experiencing
that kind of success. But a lot of them are actually
going into debt, trying to create the illusion
that they've got wealth. And so we as people
who are consuming this, we take that on and we
think, okay, all I need to do is buy the expensive
clothes, but I can't afford it, but I'll put
it on a credit card and I'll just pay the minimum
payment. And then I keep building debt to build
this sense of people for people thinking I have
wealth, but I don't. It's the reverse. And then
we end up in this bankrupt situation where we've
got the weight of this debt on our shoulders.
nothing to show for it, but a bunch of clothes
that nobody really cares about. And so I think
in that relationship to social media and the
world that we live in, that's why we've gotten
it backwards. We would rather go into debt to
look like we have wealth than actually have the
wealth and give up caring about what anybody
else thinks about us. Yes. First of all, yes.
You know, one thing, there was a lot of things
happening in my mind when you ended. One is,
this is social media content, what we're doing
here. One of the things that I wanted to make
sure as we build this is that we come across
authentic, you know, we have authentic conversations.
authenticity was there. And that when we have
these conversations that people can get something
from the conversations and not something that
where they can scroll to and be like, Oh, that
person has a Corvette or, you know, this and
that, but it's not really theirs. It's rented,
you know what I mean? Things like that, right,
and really bring forth true content that will
support people in, you know, in, in their life.
And when you talk about people listening, you
know, looking at the social media content, and
then, you know, getting this false narrative,
really, does that's in there is consuming that?
Does that and then they're going out trying to
be the emulate these, these people? Do you think
that speaks to their mindset? And if, if it does,
how can they change or shift that mindset of
trying to be like someone else? Yeah, I think
Michael, it speaks to our lack of bringing awareness
to what our relationship to money is. Most people,
if you're like me, when I was raised, we never
talked about money. My parents never talked about
money. My parents were first generation, you
know, they were children of immigrants. So my
grandparents were immigrants. And they just never
spoke about money. And so I was raised in a world
where you didn't talk about it. You didn't ask
about it. You certainly never questioned it.
And so I then was raised in a world where the
only thing I knew was somebody telling me when
I was young, Pericles, you're gonna always have
debt. So don't worry about that. And I thought,
okay, I'm gonna always have debt. So it's okay.
And the more debt I had, I'm like, well, he said
it was okay. That's just the way it is. And so
I lived in this broken relationship with money
where okay, it's okay to have debt. And then
in my 20s, late 20s realized, whoa, this is out
of control. Something's got to give you something's
got to shift. And then the other part of it was
my mom saying when I was very young, to a show
we were watching called lifestyles of the rich
and famous. I know that you remember that show.
Yeah, it's like we're dating ourselves here.
But it was like, you know, this amazing show
that we used to it was one of the original real
almost reality shows. But it was about this family.
Very wealthy, very successful. And they were
completely broken. Just a disaster of a family.
And my mom at the end of the show said very nonchalantly
with no agenda. I never want to have that much
money. You'll lose your whole family. And in
that incident, six year old Boyd said, I never
want to have that much money. I'm going to lose
my whole family." Now that undistinguished mindset
created the trajectory of my financial future.
Two aspects to it. One is debt's okay. And two
is you never want to have that much money because
you'll lose your whole family. And so one became
my glass ceiling for how much money I could make
and keep. And the other one became the burden
that I kept dragging along with me in the form
of debt. And when we stop, And for those of you
who are listening to this and you're thinking
to yourself, what do I do next? Just bring awareness
to what is your relationship with money. And
if the first thing you say is, well, I never
thought about it before, great. That's the first
step. Now start to think about it. What do you
think about when you start to talk about money?
What are the thoughts and what are the feelings
and emotions that come up for you around money
when you start to think about it or talk about
it? Is it stress? Is it anxiety? Is it dread?
Is it I don't want to talk about this. Is it
something else? Because the moment we bring it
from that kind of survival part of our brain
into the frontal cortex where we're thinking
about it. We're bringing that critical thinking.
Suddenly we start to look at it newly and then
we've got all sorts of brain science things that
start to occur where we create new neural pathways
for those who are familiar with Dr. Joe Dispenza
or those who are familiar with Abraham Hicks.
We start to create a new vibrational frequency
and those shifts are where we now start to create
our world. rather than living in a world that's
predetermined based on decisions we made when
we were six years old or five years old or 10
years old. And that's the first step is bringing
that awareness and start having the critical
thinking conversations around it and then see
what opens up from there. The awareness. Okay,
so. I like you talked about when your brother,
I think you said your mother said that you'll
always be broke. Is that what she said? Somebody,
I don't remember who it was, but somebody close
to my family said, apparently you're gonna always
have debt. Don't worry about it. You're always
gonna have debt. So in that vein, you took that
on, and that's how you lived. And basically,
did you always have debt? And then when you shifted,
How did your relationship with money evolve over
the 25 years or so that you've been doing, doing
this? Yeah. So there was, I remember the first
time I got my first credit card and I thought,
Oh, I've arrived. I got my first card. This is
awesome. And I think it had like a $1 ,500, you
know, credit line or something like that or credit
limit. And it was so exciting. And I remember
the first thing I did was go out with one of
my friends and I paid for lunch, you know, because
it was like so cool to be able to do that. And
then what happened was it started to snowball
and it started to take over. So you're going
out with friends and you want to impress everyone.
You know what? I'm gonna pay for everybody's
dinner tonight. Everybody's like, oh, wow, Pericles,
thank you so much. And it's this false sense
of love and security. Like, people like me because
I'm paying for things, and then we start to associate
that to, okay, if I pay, everybody's gonna like
me. They're gonna be my friends. I'm gonna be
the cool guy. And that's the path that I fell
into. And so I wanted to be the sport. I wanted
to be the successful one. I wanted people to
think that. And the way for me to get that across
them was to be paying for things. And then it
became buying things that I couldn't afford,
whether it was clothes or jewelry or car, whatever
it was, it was always something that was about
what other people would think of me. And that's
where I got it backwards. And it was very early
on. And then when I got to be around 30, there
was just thousands of dollars with a credit card
debt. And this was a while ago. So you know,
having $15, $20 ,000 of credit card debt's huge.
And it's just a burden. And it becomes, I can
make the minimum payment, I can make the minimum
payment, I can make the minimum payment. Now
my cards gotten declined. Now I need to get another
card so that I can continue to spend. And then
there's this moment when we I said, Okay, no
more. And it was around the time that I started
this education. I started creating this work
myself. And I started to really look at what's
my relationship to myself and to money. So my
relationship to myself was I'm only somebody
of value when other people think I am. When other
people are thinking I'm cool, thinking I'm the
sport, thinking I'm the wealthy guy. Well, that
relationship is bankrupt. That's not gonna work.
That's not gonna sustain itself. And when I stopped
that and I started to see, okay, I'm actually
my own person. I can determine the future. I
can determine who I am and how my life goes,
freed up from what anybody else thinks of me.
And in that moment, I stopped worrying about
what other people thought of me. And I started
focusing on what is it I want in my life? Well,
I want prosperity. I want wealth. I want a sense
of fulfillment in my own life, a sense of enough.
And that's what my focus became. So I wouldn't
go out to dinner with people unless I had the
money set aside and I was paying cash and I wasn't
paying for anybody else anymore. And I was making
sure that I was paying down that debt. And then
I got the debt disappeared. And then it all became
about creating wealth. And in the beginning,
and I want to make this clear because I've worked
with people who said, Pericles, my only focus
right now, paying off debt. paying off debt,
paying off debt. And I say, great, you need to
shift your focus because we get what we focus
on. Yeah. So if your sole focus is paying off
debt, what you're going to continue to create
is more debt. So you have the thing to focus
on that you've created to focus on. It sounds
like a, you know, kind of a catch 22, but it's
so easy to fall into that trap. Focus on building
wealth. The debt will disappear as you focus
on building wealth. Same thing for, there are
a lot of great content creators out there, but
they say, create an emergency fund. No, do not
create an emergency fund. Because when you create
an emergency fund, what are you setting yourself
up for? An emergency? Emergencies, yeah. That's
the only reason for an emergency fund to exist
is to have emergencies. So you will naturally
have emergencies. I had somebody else that said
there's a reserve fund, was another word. Well,
a reserve fund is reserved for when you need
a reserve fund. Create a wealth fund. Create
a prosperity fund. Because when you're creating
that, anything that's unexpected that might show
up, I've got it covered. Yeah, but start there.
So creating and building wealth was what I really
started to focus on. And then it didn't make
any difference to me what people thought about
me, what people said about me, because I knew
what I'm creating is my future the way I want
it to be created. And so in that moment is when
I shifted and then started building this and
creating this education with my clients, and
then delivering it to my clients and watching
the results kind of go. off the charts. And then
they started sharing it with friends and family
and coworkers or people that they knew who were
entrepreneurs. And then it kind of took off.
And for the last 25 years, that's been my focus
as a money mindset expert. Money mindset. Can
you talk, can you share an example of a story
of one of your clients that shifted just so people
can relate to something? Yeah, this is I have
several let me think which one I'm going to share
this one I had a client that I worked with who
was an attorney. And she was she since past and
but she was one of the top appellate attorneys
in her state. So this was somebody who had created
briefs that went to the Supreme Court. And this
is so cool, right? So just this hugely successful
appellate. When I first started working with
her, I said, Okay, so let's look at your, your
financial situation. Let's just look at you know,
how much you bring it in, how much does it cost
you every much? I don't know any of that. Okay,
we what are your expenses? I don't know. Okay.
Well, let's get all your bills out. I need to
go to my car. Why do you need to go to your car?
She would pull up to her house every day, open
up the mailbox from her car, pull everything
out. She'd go through all the bills, throw them
in the backseat and then keep everything else
and go up to her house and she'd leave her bills
in the backseat. So she had overdue notices and
she had bank charges and overdraft. It was just
a mess. And this is someone who's so successful
in her career. so what we had to do was then
start shifting her relationship to the mailbox
and the mail and Looking at the bills and understanding
where she was flowing her money to and being
empowered around Understanding what was so about
her financial situation and what so is I bring
in this amount and I'm spending this amount And
we're suddenly like, okay, we need to close that
gap. That's the first stage, closing the gap
so we can get you where you're at least at a
break even point at the end of every month. Then
once we got there, we're able to now create.
this kind of a gap. And the difference between
here and here is what you're flowing into your
that I like to call it reservoir on the side
that we get to keep, where it's my savings for
my future, my retirement, my next car, my next
vacation, I'm actually putting money away for
all of those things. So that when my next vacation
comes up, all I have to do is look at my vacation
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And then I go on vacation, I put it on a credit
card that gets points. When I come back, I pay
that off. And with those points, I've actually
gotten a bonus for my next trip. And so she made
that shift and went from this person that was
just chaotic and no idea what she was spending,
spending hundreds of dollars every month in overdraft
fees and bank fees and charges to someone who
actually was saving and actually building a sense
of wealth in her life. And it's that kind of
thing that just Lights me up. I get so excited
when those kinds of things happen. Yeah, especially
when you get to help people like that and She
and the shift in their lives. So yeah There okay,
so a while ago I learned To keep envelopes. I
don't know where I learned from the key envelopes
puts whatever vacation phone or whatever put
that money aside in the envelopes I just want
to kind of kind of it may be a curveball. I don't
know but what if The person that we're trying
we're trying to reach has very little money.
Where do they start from? Yeah, the the very
first step for anyone and I want to be really
clear about this because I know that there are
people out there that are dealing with some extraordinary
circumstances and they're very, very challenging
and I do not take that lightly and I am not making
light of that at all. The majority of people
who are dealing with a financial challenge. The
majority of them fall into the category of, they
just don't even know what's going on. And there's
no sense of, I'm gonna get to the bottom of this.
And that's really the people in this conversation
that I'm speaking to who are starting there.
Then they're your entrepreneurs. People who make
a lot of money, they just don't know where their
money goes. There's another conversation for
you. right? There's got to reset that, right?
But for people who are in that middle ground,
and they're just kind of like, I don't know what's
going on. That's the first thing you have to
do is figure out what's going on. It's the exercise
I give to all my clients when I first start working
with them. All right, for the next two months,
all you're going to do is track your spending.
I want to know every penny that you spend. We're
going to track it on a sheet. How much are you
spending on groceries? How much are you spending
on household goods? How much is your rent or
your mortgage? How much is your insurance for
your home, for your car, for your health? There
are all these things. How much are your streaming
services? How much is everything? So we're going
to look at every credit card. We're going to
look at every debit card. Cash. I want to know
exactly where. Do you know how many times people
go to the store and tap? tap, tap, debit, debit,
debit, debit and Starbucks and it's here and
it's there and they're spending hundreds of dollars
every single month and it's just like disappears.
So we get that to what so and then we look at
well what's your income? I can't say how many
people don't even know how much they make every
month. They have no clue. They will I think it's
about they don't know right so we get those two
numbers and then we compare them. And most people
start to freak out. They're like, Oh, my God,
I spend more money than I make every single month.
And that's why your debt keeps going up. That's
why your credit cards keep going up, because
they close the gap using credit cards. So that's
when now we know what's going on. Oh, the car's
got a flat tire. Now we know what the problem
is. Now we can create the solution. So now we
start to look at well, here's all the places
here all the places you're spending money. Now
you get to choose. Where do you actually want
to spend your money? And they start looking at
like, well, I don't need that anymore. And I
don't need this anymore. And I don't need this.
And they start to trim the fat. And they start
to get responsible about where they're spending
their money. Now we've gotten that to where we're
here. Then they start to look at, okay, well,
how can I make more money? How can I start to
move from just that break even to actually making
more than I earn, making more than I spend every
month? Whoa, that's a whole nother world. We
move from being what I call behind the flow,
to being in the flow, which is at the top of
the wave, to being ahead of the flow, where you're
now making more every month than you're spending.
And that momentum starts to push us. So the first
place is you got to figure out what sell, get
to the bottom line, and then you can create your
strategies. It's so great that you said that
because as soon as you were talking about the
store, I was like, what's so right? So basically
from the beginning of the conversation for me,
it was like awareness, right? Figuring out the
what's so in your situation, like the actual
actualities of your finances. And then what also
came to me is discipline. There's a there's probably
a discipline that that when it comes to finances,
is really tough for people. Or they maybe they
create the story of it being tough. I don't know.
Right. What would you say around trying to really
disciplines yourself in the, in the, the activities
of, you know, saving your money and knowing where
to look at your money. Cause I know I have, I
had to figure it out. Like, where's my money
going? Like what's going on? And once I realized
that, thank you to rocket mortgage and whatever
the apps are, you know, I kind of figure things
out and I cut things off and then a different,
you know, flow came with my finances. So what
would you say to somebody that's just that? is
hard for them to discipline themselves to get
better with their money. I think the first and
most important thing is to get present to what
is it you truly want in your life. And I think
for some people, you're going to be like, I just
like it the way it is. And if that's where you
are, great. This is not the conversation for
you and I got no judgment about that. That's
totally fine. This isn't for everyone. There
are a lot of people that will hear this and be
like, yeah, I'm not doing that. And that's great,
right? I'm just, that's fine. But if you're truly
in a place where, you know what, I'm done with
this. I'm done with whatever it is I've been
doing and I really want to start creating and
building wealth, then look to see what is that
that you truly want. I want to be able to buy
my first house. Or I want to be able to buy a
car and pay cash. I just want to be out of debt.
Whatever that may look like for you, you want
to get really clear about what it is you want
and let that source you. Because when we're clear
about what we want and that we truly want it,
then the actions start to line up with that.
It becomes much, much easier. And for a lot of
people, when you get that clarity about what
you want, then it's a matter of Are you willing
to do the work to see what you need to do in
order to get where you want to be? So, in other
words, I want to get in shape. Great. Are you
willing to look in the mirror and see what's
so? Most people, they don't want to look at it.
They're like, I don't want to know what's going
on in my finances. I don't want to look at myself
naked. It's ugly, right? This whole conversation.
But until we're willing to confront it, we're
not going to be able to deal with the what's
so. Then when we get to the what's so about it.
Then we start to see, okay, juxtaposing where
I am with where I want to be. This is where I
want to be. And this is all that I'm committed
to is where I want to be right now. What is what's
the first step? Well, the first step is I got
to stop spending more than I make, or I got to
start bringing in more money. and being responsible
for managing that flow, right? Those actions
will come with that true commitment to getting
to where you want to be. So it's that future
that you want to create and getting really clear
about it. And then those actions will line up.
And then filling the gap with, I don't know how
to do this, finding somebody who can help you
with that. Finding somebody you trust, finding
somebody that you know as a track record that
can then help you with that. All right, so I
got my four steps awareness. What's so discipline
and a commitment? Absolutely. This is all great.
And for all the knowledge that you have, you
turn it into a program, which is your, your financial
thermostat program. You created that and what
inspired you to create that? I mean, you probably
said a little bit about it already, but what
exactly inspired you to create that program?
Yeah, it was it was by default really that it
happened. I was working as a business coach and
I wanted my clients to make more money. I wanted
them to be successful. And that's what I started
doing with my clients. And some of them were
business owners. Others were like the attorney,
they were just they wanted to be more successful.
And what I found in the very early stages was
they started making more money, which was so
awesome. I was excited, right? It was the thing
I wanted for them. And yet every single month
at the end of the month, they were still in the
same situation they were before they started
working with me. Meaning, if they were somebody
that was just treading water at the end of every
month, they were still just treading water. I'm
like, wait, wait, you're making a lot more money.
How is some people are making twice as much?
How is it possible that you're still just treading
water? Or if they were behind every month, they
were still just behind or there were a couple
that were just like I'm making more money. I'm
keeping more money, but I'm still stressed. I'm
still worried. I still have anxiety. This can't
be happening. This just doesn't make sense. And
I realized that there was something, there was
a theme going on here. And I stepped back and
I looked at him and said, okay, there's something
bigger going on here than just making more money.
Because making more money I thought was going
to solve it all. And that's when I started to
explore it. And I started to study it. And I
started to research it. And I started to really
delve into this, like, what is happening here?
I shared with my clients about it. So, okay,
guys, something's going on here, and I'm going
to start looking at it. I'm going to figure this
out. And over the next two years, I really distinguish
two things. One is that we all have this thing
called a financial thermostat. It's our money
mindset, but I like the word thermostat because
we can all relate to a thermostat. We know what
it is. And so that thermostat, that financial
thermostat regulates Black and white. It is just
like a thermostat in our home. How much money
we can earn, how much money we can keep, and
our thoughts, feelings, and emotions around money.
It is that simple. That's all it does is it regulates
those three things. And then the second thing
were the four keys to resetting our financial
thermostat so that we could actually earn more,
we could keep more, and we can have a whole different
experience around money. And so I started implementing
those distinctions with my clients. And that's
when it just The lid just got blown off and they
started making more, keeping more, having this
amazing experience around money and their life
and their lifestyles changed. And that's when
I really started focusing on that. Then I built
the program out and then I started delivering
it. And then it was kind of like just one thing
after another. It just organically took off from
there. That's what it sounds like. Now, how do
we identify our current financial thermostat?
Probably the easiest thing to do to stop and
look at how it is right now. If you were to look
at how much am I able to earn and do I keep bumping
up against the ceiling or am I able to continue
to earn more and more and more? Great. Your financial
thermostat for how much money you can make is
probably set pretty high. Then look at, well,
how much am I able to keep? Because I know a
lot of people I've worked with, they can make
tons of money, but they can't keep it. It just
disappears at the end of every month. I don't
know where my money went. So they may have a
financial thermostat setting where they can make
a lot of money, but they just can't keep it.
And then look at what are your emotional states
around money. When you think about money, when
you talk about money, when you engage or interact
with money, what are your thoughts, feelings,
and emotions around it? If you're excited, great.
That's your financial thermostat around money
in terms of emotions, thought, feelings, emotions.
Are you stressed? Are you worried? Do you shut
down? some people just shut down. That's your
emotional financial thermostat setting. So look
at those three things. And that will tell you
exactly what your setting is. And I bet I know
what your next question is going to be. Well,
I'm gonna because you went you talked about it.
And just personally, I know that I had to teach
myself about finances and money and wealth and
all that kind of stuff like because I had kind
of a dichotomy between my mom's side and my dad's
side, right? So I saw where, you know, once one
parent worked and struggled, then I saw one parent
who owned business worked and they were fine,
you know? And so I think my mentality was like
kind of caught in the middle, you know, some
I would earn and then I was like, where's where's
my money? You know, then I get it back and then
find where's my money again. So I had to teach
myself. And so it's, I think a lot of beliefs
were probably negative. So can someone reset
their financial thermostat even with the negative
beliefs? Yeah. Was that the second question you
think I was going to ask? Yeah, that was it.
How do we reset our financial thermostat? Exactly
right. You just went about it in a really cool
way because it tied something together, which
I love. So the first thing to resetting our financial
thermostat that I want people to understand is
that money is a universal band of energy. And
as a band of energy, it flows like energy, like
water or electricity or air. Now, It's a currency.
And so it flows like a current, but it flows
in a unique way. It flows in a circle. So if
this is us, this is money, it flows in a circle
to us through us and away from us and background
to us through us and away from us. And then I
talked about it earlier, that reservoir on the
side that we get to keep now because money flows
in a circle, blocks anywhere in that flow. are
blocks everywhere in that flow. So we can have
blocks in the flow of money coming to us, then
blocks in the flow of money going away from us,
and we can have blocks in the flow going to that
reservoir on the side that we get to keep. Those
blocks are those negative conversations around
money that we have. So for me, it was if you
make too much money, you're going to lose your
whole family, or debt is okay. You're going to
always have debt, so don't worry about it. Those
are actually blocks in the flow. And so when
I was able to notice the block and then clear
the block out, suddenly that flow of money increased.
And it's the same thing for our emotional states.
We've got negative emotions associated with the
flow of money. Money's the root of all evil is
a great one. Yeah, you know, if I have too much
money, I'm going to go to hell or I'm going to
be a bad person or whatever that looks like.
All of those are just negative money mindset.
Those are all blocks in the flow of money when
we clear them out. We're then resetting our financial
thermostat so we can earn more, we can keep more,
and we can have a better relationship with money
and better experience around money. Yeah. So
do you think we're talking about negative beliefs?
Does that plays in that's the subconscious, right?
It plays in subconscious. And are these patterns
that are kind of like financial sabotage? Yeah,
I've watched I've watched entrepreneurs that
I was working with, they had one of them had
a quarter of a million dollar month, huge, huge,
huge month, and then could not deal with it,
their financial thermostat was not set for it,
sabotage it went out of business. That's how
powerful these these blocks in the flow of money
are. Our financial thermostat is just like a
thermostat in a room. So if your room temperature
set at 72, and it's freezing outside and the
windows open and that cold air comes in and the
room comes down to like 60. It's going to kick
on the heat and it's going to bring that temperature
right back. It's the same thing for money. If
your financial thermostat is set for a certain
amount of money and income, I don't care how
much money you make. This is why lotto but loud
lotto winners go broke within the first five
years 80 % of them They bring all this money
and we think I've got it made no their financial
thermostat kicks on and it just starts disappearing
money and disappearing money and disappearing
money and Suddenly they're upside down and they
go bankrupt That's a function of that financial
thermostat. So these blocks in the flow will
literally come in and have you disappear money
to bring it down to where you're set. And the
same thing for emotions. I've worked with people
who are billionaires, billionaires on the Forbes
list, billionaires, and they're miserable. Their
emotional state is such that they never enjoy
anything. With all this money, you think, oh
my gosh, you should have the most amazing life
in the world. Not so. That's a financial thermostat
around their emotions, being in a place where
they're always unhappy. Now I've worked with
people in the opposite where they don't have
much money at all. And yet they're completely
happy. They're completely filled fulfilled in
their lives. Yeah, so it's not the money. It's
the relationship. It's that that financial thermostat
setting that's most important. So how can someone
tell the difference between money problem and
a money pattern? Well, you look and see is the
problem is the pattern a problem? So the pattern
you have around money is something that's great.
Is it good for you? Well, I've got this pattern
around money every time I think about it. I make
it Okay, does that make you happy? Yes, great
I've got this pattern around money every time
I try to make it I lose it Are you happy with
that? No, then you can associate No, this is
not something I want in my life This is a block
in the flow and I want to clear it And for most
people, it's pretty easy when, if you say, I
want to make a lot of money, what's the first
thing that comes to your head? That little voice
that whispered, nah, you're too stupid. You're
not worth it. Nah, you won't ever do that. Not
for you. You'll fail again. Exactly. You'll fail
again. Exactly. That is a block in the flow.
It's that simple. For some people, it's easier
to hear. For other people, we just need to stop
and listen for a second. We're not used to listening
to that voice, but it runs the show. This is
why affirmations don't work. This is why people
who are genuinely trying to manifest, they've
read all the books, they've listened to all the
Abraham Hicks, they've done Dr. Joe Dispenza,
they cannot manifest for the life of them. And
it's because they're manifesting on top of poison
soil. that block in the flow. She said, okay,
I'm going to make a million dollars. I'm going
to make a million dollars. Not for you. Not going
to happen. That negative mindset. Now let me
give you, can I give you the four steps to clearing
those negative blocks in the flow? Number one.
Number one is you have to notice it and own it.
Number one. Okay. Let's use money's the root
of all evil. Cause this is a great one. I think
a lot of people will have this. So I want to
make $1 million. No money's the root of all evil.
Oh, wow. I've had that conversation for decades.
I can own that. That's it. It's just you're gonna
own it that I've had that conversation. You don't
want to give it any credence. You don't want
to give it any power. You don't want to give
it any agreement. Just Okay, I've got that conversation.
There it is. Number one, step two. Let it go.
You have to actually say I let this conversation
go. I release it into the care of the universe
or into the care of God, into the care of the
trees, the forest, the ocean, whatever. It's
something outside of you. You have to say it
out loud. You cannot do this in your head. I
let this conversation go and I release it into
the care of the universe. It is no longer mine.
It is no longer welcome in my world. It no longer
has dominion over me. However you want to say
it, you keep saying it until you get a sense
of Wow, I actually felt that conversation kind
of move away from me a little bit. It doesn't
have to be complete, but just a little bit. Now,
this is going to be hard for a lot of people,
because it's become part of our identity. It's
become part of who we are. We're familiar with
it. We're actually addicted to it. It runs the
show. It does it runs the show. So it's kind
of like saying, you know what, I'm going to remove
my right arm. And that's not easy. So if you
find yourself resisting it, it's okay. It's because
you're so familiar with this conversation. It
is part of who you are. You are literally excising
it out of your identity. So say it over and over
and over again until you get that sense of release
relief. Then in that moment, step number three,
what relationship do you want to have with money
now? Completely that you've let that old conversation
go. So now what is it you do want? Well, for
me in that moment, because this was one of the
conversations that I had was money flows to me
easily and abundantly every single day. It is
short and concise. There are people out there,
they're going to want to write a Tolstoy novel
on it. No, this is not what we're doing here,
guys. We are literally creating something that
inspires you that lights you up. And it will
show up from your heart, not from your head.
Because when you've let go of that old conversation,
your heart's going to open up and suddenly, this
space is going to open up and you're going to
think and it will just be there. Money flows
to me easily and abundantly every single day.
And then you want to say it over and over and
over again, you want to feel it, you want to
feel that energetic shift in your body, mind
and spirit, you will feel it right here in your
heart. And that's when you write it down. Okay,
got it written down, you want it on your nightstand,
you want it on your mirror in the bathroom, you
want it on your computer, you want it on your
rear view mirror, you want it everywhere, so
that you can keep getting present to it every
day. Wake up to it. and feel it, go to bed, feel
it. And then throughout the day, that's step
number three. Now the fourth step, really important
step. Now go out and watch it manifesting in
your life. Look for it showing up. A lot of people
will go out and they'll just like, well, it's
not here. It's not here. I don't see it. I don't
see it. Didn't work. And they've just killed
it all off. Versus Yes, they do. It's like looking
at the seeds waiting for them to germinate, but
they're not there and then we dig them up. Nah,
they didn't grow. Next thing. No, you have to
allow it to nurture and germinate. You have to
look for it and look for it. If you find a penny
on the ground, there it is. Thank you for showing
me that money flows in my life easily and abundantly
every single day. Pick that penny up. One year,
I actually found almost $800 and found money.
Just walking through my day, going through my
life. And I put that money in a special vessel
in my house. That was my found money vessel.
And every time I came home, I would put that
money in there and I would just thank it and
acknowledge it and acknowledge that money flows
to me easily and abundantly every single day.
And so look for it showing up in not just money,
but in conversations. Whoa, so and so just talked
to me about a business possibility or a job potential
or this potential or a revenue stream potential.
You don't have to take them all. Engage in them.
Be open to them. Look at them and acknowledge
them as opportunities. And those are the four
steps. And you take on those four steps. You
do them over and over and over again. And that
old conversation, it will show up. It's never
going to go away. It will get quieter and quieter
and quieter and less frequent. And every time
it shows up, do the four steps again. Oh, there's
that old conversation. I'm letting you go. This
is who I am now. This is who money is for me.
And then continue to look for it manifesting
in your life. Yeah, when that when that voice
shows up for me, I'm like, Okay, yeah, you're
here. Thank you. Bye. You know, exactly. You
just leave it alone. You can't win a battle with
your mind. No, you can't win about don't fight
it. Just acknowledge it. Let it be knowledge
and then move on. Yeah. Yeah. And you gave me
a tip. I when I find money, I don't care if it's
a penny or a dime or whatever. I'm like, Oh,
look at this. I get some little change. And then
I'll I have a little bag or whatever, full of
change. And that's my phone money, but I'm gonna
put a label on it and say found money. Yeah,
exactly. And what's so important about this is
especially for people who are in the Abraham
Hicks conversation and the vibrational frequency
conversation, Dr. Joe Dispenza, is if we say
to ourselves, I want money to flow to me easily
and abundantly every single day. And then we
see a penny on the ground and say, yeah, but
I don't want that. You've just shifted from I
want money to flow to me easily and abundantly
to I don't. The universe doesn't distinguish
between a penny, a dollar, and a million dollars.
It's the same thing, it's money. It's all the
same. So that vibrational frequency is so important
to maintain and continue to acknowledge it every
time it shows up in your life. I love that. I
love that. And it's, again, it's a discipline
that we have to continue to continually do over
and over again. So remind ourselves. Yes, people
think and there's so much content. I keep seeing
this on my TikTok feed, right? It's like, Oh,
I'm manifesting for you a million dollars right
now if you watch this video and like it. That
is just clickbait guys. I and I just I want to
say this so that people are really clear. This
is not magic. That's not how this works. This
is not some kind of mystical thing. This is actually
you doing the work, you have to do the work,
you have to think, feel and then go out and watch
for it manifesting in your life. It is not like
a one and done. When you look at it, it's not
like winning the lottery. If you relate to it
that way, it's never going to work for you. But
if you truly take on you know what I do want
this I can feel it right now. I'm going to manifest
because I said so and I can feel it and then
go out and look for it. It will show up. Yeah,
some of those things there show up in conversations
like I know, like, like if you want a new house
or something like that, write it down and put
a picture up and then you know, really, like
you said, you know, follow those steps. And sometimes
it shows up in a conversation, you know, unbeknownst
to you. And for me, that's like, okay, that's
the, you know, the environment really speaking
to my belief, and it's shifting to, you know,
the feature that I'm creating for myself. even
in conversation, even though the house is not
there yet. The conversation is now present. Yeah,
it takes time for things to go from the energetic
thought to the physical manifestation in the
world. But the more we talk about it, the more
we focus on that thought. the more it will come
to fruition, like you said, through those conversations.
Well, that that conversation that thought now
has more mass. It's not just me talking about
it. It's other people talking to me about it.
It's all of those things coming together. And
it will, it just has to be that's the as they
say, law of attraction, it is the law that is
that is that, which is like into itself is drawn,
it will be drawn to you if you focus on it enough,
even going back to the teachings of the Buddha.
We are what we think. The more we think it, the
more we create it, the more it exists in our
world. Yes. And a lot of, a lot of what we talk
about here is also purpose. And so in that the
world of, you know, creating, creating, you know,
their financial freedom in that space, how does
one get that connection of financial freedom
and discovering their purpose? Yes, and I think
if in that question it's all about your It's
understanding what money can provide us and what
money can't provide us so financial freedom Only
exists as a declaration It doesn't exist as a
true state of being by virtue of some physical
thing So we're we're getting into a real kind
of philosophical conversation here, and I love
these so it is all about I'm declaring right
now that I have financial freedom, that I have
a sense of enough. Now does that mean I never
want to make more money? No, it doesn't mean
that at all. It just means I'm living in a state
of, a declared state of financial freedom because
I say so. I've gotten things into a place of
whatever that place is where I can now declare
I am in a state of financial freedom. Now I continue
to do and create the games that I like to play
on a financial level like this is what I'm playing
for next This is what I'm going for next Does
not mean that we stop because that we live in
a world where we're either contracting or expanding
We are never standing still. Estasis does not
exist. If you take a dollar and put it under
a mattress, it's not worth the same in five days,
in 10 days, in five years. It's worth less. That
is contraction. We have to take that dollar and
do something with it. Same thing with a relationship.
And I love to equate how we relate to money to
how we relate to a significant other. If most
people related to a significant other the way
they relate to money, they'd be single. They'd
be single. I want it when I want it. When it's
here, I just want to show it off. So everybody
thinks I'm cool. I don't think about it when
it's not there. I never really appreciate it.
I never concerned myself. Well, how where's this
going? It's just like that. Seriously, that relationship
would be over in a nanosecond. Yeah. But if we're
thinking about money when it's not there, how
do I be as Jack Nicholson said, and as good as
it gets, you make me want to be a better man.
You make me want to be better in this relationship.
How do I make this relationship with money better?
How do I create in such a way so that lasts forever?
How do I have it be better every single day?
How do I nurture it and appreciate it and love
it and enjoy it and have it enjoy being with
me? Those are all the kinds of conversations
that we want to have around money. Because when
we have those conversations, suddenly it's fun
to be around money and money wants to be around
us. So relate to it in a way that inspires you.
that calls you forth. And these are the things
that will, as we were saying earlier, call forth
the actions that are consistent with those thoughts.
The actions will naturally show up. And if you
don't know what the actions are, you will seek
out someone who will share with you and who's
an expert who can give you what those actions
are. Just like saying, I don't know how to get
into shape. What are you gonna do? We're gonna
go hire an expert. I'm gonna go find a trainer
that speaks to me in a way that I can relate.
I'm gonna hire them and I'm gonna do what they
say. Yeah. When I went off on a tangent there,
I apologize. Please just do it because it's all
it's all valuable what you're sharing and it
it works. So it's perfect. In the same what kind
of the same vein about shifting our money story.
How does that? Well, how does shifting our money
story affect our relationships and our self worth?
Yeah, I think when we as again, in our relationship
is it with money is a mirror to our relationship
with ourselves. If we stop saying things like
I'm broke, I can't afford it. And we start saying
I am worth it. And I'm creating wealth in my
life. I am creating prosperity in my life. Suddenly,
our relationship to ourselves changes because
we're no longer diminishing ourselves. We're
no longer talking down to ourselves. We are no
longer putting ourselves in a box of, well, I
could never do that. How many times have you
heard people say that getting on an airplane,
walking through first class? Oh, we can never
afford these. We can never afford these. Just
keep walking. We can never afford. Well, what
are you saying? You're saying that you're not
good enough to afford that. So yes, you're never
going to be able to afford that. Absolutely.
Whereas you stop saying those things, then suddenly
you're empowering yourself. Now you're having
a new conversation. And when the more you have
this new conversation, the more that conversation
becomes the quality of your life, the predominant
conversation in your life. And it's not a a one
and done. And it is not a we're going to close
the divide in a nanosecond. We can close the
divide on a mindset in a nanosecond. I can literally
shift my mindset to be a millionaire in a nanosecond.
Now for it to manifest in the world takes a little
bit of time. But in that nanosecond, my mindset
shifts, my whole perspective on life shifts.
Now all the actions that I take are consistent
with that and I'm seeing the fulfillment of that.
If we take a little action every single day towards
the goal that we're committed to, Over a period
of time, we are going to be so much closer to
our goal. If we want to circumnavigate the globe
at the equator, if when we leave in the plane,
we're off just by one tiny degree, one tiny degree,
when we get to the other all the way around the
world, we're going to be thousands of miles off
of where we originally planned to be. So that
little shift will have a huge difference at the
end of a period of time. So just make one little
change every single day. Yeah, and consistently
every single day, you will see the quality of
your life shift forever. Make a little change
every day be consistent and in that space though.
There will be the tough times, right? Yeah, you
know the the load times the tough times. What
do you say to somebody who is really working
hard and really trying to manifest and really,
you know, speaking to that that that negative
voice? that's saying you're not enough or whatever
it is and they keep going on this, you know,
this roller coaster. What do you say to them
to help them make it through those times so they
can continue to manifest and really see results
in their life? Yeah, there are always going to
be times in our life that maybe things are happening
that aren't what we would rather. And I speak
from experience. I've been through the eye of
the needle more than once and I know that the
way life goes is just gonna happen again. There's
no way around it. It's who I get to be in the
face of it happening. That's what makes the biggest
difference. There are people who are hobbled
by it. something happens and then they're hobbled
and they give up their lives. Okay, I just got
to deal with this and everything's just it's
a shit show. Pardon my French now it's just everything's
horrible. Well, that's one way of dealing with
it. Another way of dealing with it is this is
great from Marcus Aurelius, the great stoic and
and you know, Roman leader is the obstacle is
the way the obstacle that set before me is an
opportunity for me to grow and expand. And I
can choose to use that as a way to grow and expand
and get better, or I can choose to let it dominate
me. And so I'm learning from this experience.
I'm creating and maintaining a context of my
life is about growth and experience. My life
is about getting better at everything that I
do. And whatever comes at me is an opportunity
for me to learn from. And would I rather it be
this way? No, I'd rather not be this way, but
it's perfect because I'm going to be a better
person on the other side of it. So what I'm hearing
is shifting the focus of the kind of the message
that you're getting and what you're giving. That's
what I'm hearing. It's all about how we hold
something. I like to say context is decisive.
So there's the... the parable of the traveler.
He's walking down a road and he comes upon a
guy who's chipping stones. He's got a pickaxe
and he's swearing and he's sweating and he's
cursing and he's just miserable. The traveler
says, what are you doing? He says, yeah, I'm
chipping these stupid stones. The traveler carries
on and he comes up to another guy. Same thing.
He's doing the same thing. He's got a pickaxe,
but he's whistling and he's singing and he's
so excited and he's happy. And the traveler says,
what are you doing? And he says, I am building
a cathedral. They're doing the same exact thing
and yet they have a totally different experience
The context is decisive in their experience of
life So what context are you gonna hold the things
that happen for you in life? Are they happening
to you or are they happening for you? When we
look at it said this is happening for me this
is the next stepping stone to my destination
or Life is happening to me and this sucks. Yeah,
it's all up to us and look, I'm not saying it's
not a challenge. It's harder in the beginning
as you're taking the first step. But the more
steps you take in the direction that you're committed
to, the easier it becomes. And the easier it
becomes. And the easier it becomes. The easier
because the context is decisive. Yeah. Either
the positive or the negative is decisive. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yep. It's all on us. And then what's
really cool is we get to a place in our life
where there's nowhere else to look. I only look
here. Yeah. If my life sucks, I'm looking right
here. Why am I saying it sucks? If my life's
amazing, great. I'm the one who's in control
of that. That takes all the power away from everyone
else in the world and gives it to me. And that
means I'm in the driver's seat. I declare how
my life goes any moment. No one else to look
at, no one else to blame, nothing else to say,
oh, but what about but none of that. It's all
me. And now I have the power of how my life goes
simply by the way I say. Taking that responsibility.
Yeah. There's so much we can talk about. Since,
I mean, really from the beginning of the conversation
until now, we've been kind of tapping into what
transformation can be with our money, our mindsets
around money and our lives. And the question
I have is, why is long term transformation more
important? I guess you can say more important.
then small short term wins. Great question. We
can we may take an action that makes us feel
good right now. Like right now I'm getting this
instant gratification. Great example is I want
that ice cream. I want that ice cream feels so
good tastes so good. I'm so happy. And yet, it's
not consistent with my long term goals of getting
the body of my dreams. Yeah, I can go buy this
really expensive thing and feel really good for
a few minutes. And now I've got this credit card
debt that's with me for another 10 years. So
the short term joy or satisfaction that we may
get out of it pales in comparison to the long
term value. of staying true to what I'm committed
to. And that's going back to what we were talking
about earlier of having that future, that goal
that we've set up for ourselves. If we've got
that clarity and we're feeling what it's like
to have that vision, that goal that we want,
and the actions that I'm taking now are consistent
with that goal, then we're clear about, wow,
I am actually... And I'm enjoying the journey
as well. So we want to make sure we're doing
both. We're enjoying the journey and we're clear
about where we want to get. Because look, the
bottom line is we get to the destination. What
do we do? We would create another goal. We're
off on another journey. So enjoy the journey,
but make sure that the actions that you're taking
along the way are consistent with fulfilling
you getting to where you want to be. Or are you
taking a side road that's a dead end? That's
going to end up undoing the work that you're
doing. So staying present to that. And yes, it
will be challenging at times. Are you willing
to say no to your friends? Let's go to dinner
tonight. Let's party and let's have a great time.
You know what? I haven't put the money aside.
No. That is not an easy thing to do. No, it's
not. I'm clear about that. But if you can make
that choice, I promise you, you will come out
on the other side much happier. That's solid.
And like you said, it's tough to do. But yeah,
really, if you could the club that you're creating
for yourself, the future that you're creating
for yourself. I just say for me for the create
the future that I'm creating for myself enough
to give some things up and be more committed
and connected to what that future is. Yeah. And
it takes a it takes a shift in the mind. And
yep, that's it takes work. It does. And it takes
surrounding yourself with people who are willing
to hold you to account for that. Yeah. My best
friend Stewart. Oh my gosh, he and I hold each
other to account all the time. There's no room
for either one of us. Like, dude, what did you
just say? What did you just say? No, no, no,
no, that doesn't. That doesn't fly here. And
it's that kind of accountability, where we're
willing to tell each other the truth. And we're
willing to call each other out. So that Stewart
knows that there is no way he's going to get
away with being anything other than who he wants.
to be for me and the world and vice versa. If
I step out of line, he's calling me to account.
And if we have a second, I want to share this
because I think is really important. Yes, a lot
of people are worried about is money going to
make me bad? Is money going to corrupt me? Is
money going to make me all that stuff? Money
is not good. Money is not evil. It's just money.
What it is is a magnifier of who we already are.
So if you're we all have the propensity to be
good or evil. to do good things, to do bad things.
If you choose to allow yourself to be evil or
bad, money will amplify that. If you choose to
be good, money will amplify that. You never have
to worry about the money. Let the money flow.
Be cautious about who you allow yourself to be.
We can see this in examples all over the world
with people who have lots and lots of wealth
and they're horrible. All they want is more wealth.
They don't care about anybody else but themselves.
And they surround themselves with people that
will support that. Oh, yeah, you were right to
tell them they were jerks. They didn't treat
you. They don't know who you are like that. And
then you've got other people on the other side
of the spectrum and they're good. They want to
make a difference in the world. The Taylor Swift's
of the world that they surround themselves with
good people. And they do good things with the
money that they make. And they continue to make
lots and lots of money. So it's not about money
making is bad or evil. It's about money amplifying
who we already are. Yeah, you must be honest,
we must be on the same little frequency because
I was gonna ask that question. I was like, it's
okay. And you brought it out. So that's that's
really great. And I do appreciate you. And I
mean, everything that you shared was spot on.
And I think that the listeners, watchers and
listeners, they'll definitely get something from
this and take it with them and apply it to their
lives. However, There is a way for our people
to get in touch with you and how was that? Yeah,
they can go to my website. I have two, they both
go to the same place, pericles relis .com or
resetyourfinancialthermostat .com. And right
there on the main page is my free masterclass.
The four keys to resetting your financial thermostat.
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the value for yourself and for others as well.
Very pleased. Thank you so much, man. I appreciate
you being here. I went I've been to your website.
And I started the video and then stuff happened.
So make sure when you watch the video set 30
minutes to the side. just to watch the video
because I'm going to go back to watch it out.
For your for your last words on the podcast,
what is one lesson or whatever you have on your
heart to share as your last words on the podcast
today? Find what you love and do it. There's
no one right answer for everyone. There's only
the right answer for you and right now. Find
whatever that is that nurtures you that nourishes
you body mind and spirit and pull it towards
you and Do it with zeal and relish and enjoy
it and love it because life is all about feeling
good Make make sure it's not at the expense of
other people but life is all about love joy and
happiness So whatever that is you love pull it
towards you Again, thank you, Pericles. I can
tell that you're full of light and love and great
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