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And then as it progresses, I think it piles upon

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itself because I keep driving down that dark

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place and keep driving into that hole. And if

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I don't consciously move myself away or somehow

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get shocked into a change. And then when I went

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into treatment, which was January 3rd of 1985,

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so it was just a few days later, I went into

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treatment then and And I started to feel like...

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You feel like you're living your purpose and

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are you in your purpose right now? I do. I do.

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And it's funny because I haven't felt that way

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until probably two years ago. It's, we touched

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on it a little bit earlier, but it's getting

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sick and tired of being sick and tired. Getting

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stick a bang in my head against the wall and

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doing the same thing and expecting different

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results and just getting to a point where you're

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just done. From addiction to author, from rock

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bottom to purpose, it's not just about getting

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about transformation, healing, and what it takes

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to reclaim your life. In this episode of The

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Throg Word Journey, we dive deep into purpose,

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and a living testament to transformation, from

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overcoming adversity and decades of sobriety,

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sobriety to building success on his own terms.

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Darrell's journey is nothing short of inspiring.

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So get ready for a puff inside some business

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sobriety and living beyond your wildest dreams.

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And Darrell, how you doing? We just met and I

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can tell you, you feel centered. Thank you, Michael.

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Thanks for having me, man. I appreciate you having

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me on your show. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You

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know, as we have people on where we get to know

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their stories, it's things that like move me

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and things that I would love to, you know, explore

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in the world of entrepreneurship and business,

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but also as a becoming a full human being in

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the purpose of who we hear who we are, and why

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we're here. And I know you have a story to tell

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about, you know, kind of your early years? And

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can you just kind of share who you are and what

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that story is? Absolutely. Well, it I started

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in the Midwest in Michigan, actually, as a kid,

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I was born in Detroit, and I'm from Grand Rapids.

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So oh, yeah, from Grand Rapids. Oh, very cool.

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Yeah. So You know Midwestern upbringing for for

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me it was it was my dad was a mechanic my mom

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took care of the kids and You know that was just

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kind of the household sort of thing back back

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then And it was my dad was also You know, he's

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a pretty tough dude. He was He was a veteran.

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He was he was very into You know do the right

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stuff and respect and you know chest out Chin

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up, you know all that sort of thing and and my

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mom was a pretty strict person too And and so

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that's kind of how I was raised I was raised

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in a fairly strict household and and And and

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you know, I don't I don't know exactly what that

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means It just means I was raised in a very strict

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household and that was that and and I think it

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was a positive thing in many many ways you know

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in terms of just a start in this world and understanding

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that, you know, not everything's going to be

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the way I want it to be. And a lot of nos and

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a lot of, you know, you're not going to get that.

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And that was, that was cool. Yeah. Yeah. I remember

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my dad when I was, I was 14 years old, we moved

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out to the country and, and we were at church

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one Sunday and that was a big part of my upbringing

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too. He put me in front of this farmer and he's

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like, can you put him to work? And the farmer's

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like, yeah. And so a buck 15 hour and, and busted

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my butt. And we were doing, you know, up to 14

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hour days sometimes, and, and even probably a

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little bit more. And, and, but that's, that's

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how it was. That's what was expected. And I remember

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being on this. This farm and it was a, it was

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a steer and a hog farm and I had, I had called

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them tennis shoes back then, but I'm trying to

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get with the times here and call them sneakers

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or whatever. But, but, uh, they had holes in

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them and I was, I was covering the holes with

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duct tape and I'd be walking through, you know,

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three or four inches of, of cow and pig stuff

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and you know, and And I wanted boots, you know,

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I wanted work boots. And I went to my dad one

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time and I, and this, I was like 15. And I said,

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dad, you know, can I get some work boots? And

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he was like, yeah, you can, you're working. So

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go buy yourself some. That was, that was how

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it was. And that was cool. So, so I got some

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of those lessons when I was a kid, which were

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helpful for me moving into adulthood, but But

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I got started with drinking and drugs when I

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was 13 years old and I don't want to belabor

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it, but for me it was a progression that wasn't

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normal. It wasn't like kids just having fun or

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experimenting, whatever. I wanted more and that's

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what became my focus. I still worked. I did all

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the things that I needed to do, but relationship

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suffered, grade suffered, got in trouble, did

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a whole bunch of stupid things. Um, and, and

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I don't glorify that part of my past. I just,

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I just tell it like it was. And, and by the time

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I was 18 years old, I was toward the end of my

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18th year heading into 19 and, and, uh, there

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was an intervention done by my parents and they

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knew I was. You know, pretty deep in the drugs

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and I was dealing drugs and I was just doing

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things that weren't, um, you know, indicative

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of living the life that I was raised to try to

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live and, and, and the person I was raised to

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attempt to become. And, and basically they said,

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go talk to this social worker and, uh, you know,

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if you don't, they gave me the choice. Either

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talk to them or don't if you don't get out of

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our lives. And if you do then let's see what

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happens. So It was a scary time and i'm 18 years

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old i'm, you know, I think i'm tough i'm not

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I don't have the tools internally to deal with

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difficult things. Um Like that and and that scared

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me and and so for whatever reason I decided to

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go talk to this guy and But I was planning to

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lie, just like I had lied my way through the

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rest of my life up to that point. Um, and so

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as soon as I walked in his office, he's like,

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you can't lie to me. I'm going to go crap. He

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read you right, right in there, huh? He knew

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what was going on. He'd done this before. Right.

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And, uh, so he intimidated me and, and so for

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however it rolled out. I don't remember the conversation,

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but I do remember that, that I told him the truth

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to the best of my ability at that time, whatever

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that was, whatever that looked like. And that

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was probably about a month later. I went into

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a, a drug and alcohol treatment program and I

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was inpatient for 30 days and And that was the

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beginning of my new life. Yeah. So I'll, I'll,

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I'll end the story there. Cause there's a lot

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more. There's a transition there. Just, just

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to get an understanding of was you think that

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the, the strict how to hold, um, pushed you that

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way, or was there something that you felt that

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was missing that pushed you towards the drugs

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and drugs and alcohol. And if so, like, Can't

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explain a little bit of what that is or was for

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you. Sure. Sure. Um, there, there was, there

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was a, uh, January, well, December 31st of 1984

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was New Year's Eve. And, um, I was, I was at

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this party and I was with about 200 people or

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or so. Um, and I'd never felt more alone in my

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life and I'd never felt more. isolated in my

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life and and I and I just had this big hole in

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the middle of my chest and and it crossed my

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mind at that party I said you know I'm not sure

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I want to be on this planet anymore and that's

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that's where it got for me now how did I get

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there I my opinion is and for whatever it's worth

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I don't I don't jumped too far into the, the

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psychology of it necessarily. But I would say

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that there were high expectations as a kid. There

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were, there were, you know, my mom was either,

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Hey man, you're going to be a preacher or a doctor.

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Neither of those happened. And, uh, none of those

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happen. None of those happen. Um, but you know,

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it was, it was, there was this There was this

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line that we had to walk and, and there was also

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a line that we had to walk from a religious perspective

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because I was raised Lutheran. And so that was

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either you're doing the right stuff or you're

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going to hell. Okay. And that was kind of, that

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was, those were the choices. And so I'm always

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feeling that, you know, that that fear, that

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guilt, that, Oh man, am I doing the right things?

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You know, what if I do this? What if I do that?

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So I think all everything contributes, right?

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And everything contributes to starting. And then

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as it progresses, I think it piles upon itself

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because I keep driving down that dark place and

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keep driving into that hole. And if I don't consciously

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move myself away, or somehow get shocked into

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a change. It just keeps going. And I think itself

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perpetuates. Yeah, I think when a lot of us are

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dealing with things or feel like we're missing

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something that we want to fill it with, whatever

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could be drugs, alcohol could be, you know, sex,

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money, whatever it may be. And then there's a

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point where we're like, you know, there has to

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be a change, you know, we get, you know, we get

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tired or fed up or whatever it may be for that

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person. And there's a shift that happens spiritually,

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mentally, eventually physically, what was the

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moment? I know that you went to the concert,

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but what was the moment in your life that you

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said, Okay, stop no more. I got to make this

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shift. I got to make a change. It was probably

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that New Year's Eve party. I would say if I was

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going to pick a moment Where things became different?

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Inside me a little bit You had mentioned that

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you get tired of it. I'm a big believer in We

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need to get sick and tired of being sick and

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tired before we change. Yeah but then You know,

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there's, and I feel that there are several moments

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and I feel there were several moments for me,

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but that was probably the inflection point. And

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then when I went into treatment, which was January

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3rd of 1985, so it was just a few days later,

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I went into treatment then and, and I started

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to feel like, and I started to look around at

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people who You know, they, they'd have us go

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to 12 step meetings and we talked to counselors

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who had been where we were at some point, many

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of them. And I started looking at them and I'm

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like, man, these people kind of have it together

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and they seem happy and they don't have this

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big, this big golf in the middle of their chest.

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And they, they're confident and they can talk

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to people and they can have conversations and

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they can look people in the eye. All things that

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I couldn't do at that point. And. And so I think

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that there's a, I believe there's a momentum

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to getting worse, but I also believe there's

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a momentum to getting better and to healing.

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And, and some of those points, you know, there's

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maybe less than 10 in the entire time I've been

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on this planet where I could say that changed

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me, or that was a moment. So I hope that answers

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the question. Yeah. So you had that moment like

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when or moments? What did you do after that?

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Did you do a or Alan on or whatever it was, or

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whatever? What did you choose to get your life

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back on the track that you saw for yourself or

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your future, and then started going that way?

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The the thing that I sort of latched on to at

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that point in my life was Was the 12 step program.

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I got involved in AA and that's what they introduced

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us to in the, um, initial, uh, treatment program.

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And, and I didn't know anything else to do because

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one thing they said to me, which I think is incredibly

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important is when you change the game, you got

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to change the players. And so I, I couldn't hang

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around with the people that I used to hang around

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with. And, and so. I had to find a community.

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I had to find, um, people who wanted what I wanted

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to be better and to be different and to feel

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better and all those things. So, so that's what

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I chose. And what I found briefly in the, the

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AA program was the 12 steps and the 12 steps

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are There's only one of the 12 steps that talks

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about drinking or drugs or whatever. Um, and

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that's, I think pretty, pretty uniform across

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all the 12 step programs that are out there these

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days, but only one that talks about that. The

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rest is about changing myself and the rest is

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about being a better person and taking out the

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garbage and cleaning my side of the street and,

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and helping others and, and, you know, more of

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a a conscious contact with a, with a, with whatever

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higher power I believe might be out there, whatever

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you want to call it. It's up to, it's up to the

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individual. So, so it became a roadmap for me.

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Um, and that's what I, that's what I latched

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onto. I latched onto a roadmap for living. Roadmap

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for living. Oh, okay. I like that. So you, now

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you're on this roadmap for living. There is some

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intrinsic, uh, transformation that started to

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happen for you. What did the outside world begin

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to look like for you? What was the, what was

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the shifting looking like from that world to

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your next world? It was, it was profound and

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it wasn't. They say when you're, when you're

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doing a change, right, or you're making a change

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or you're moving somewhere else, wherever you

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go there, you are right. So you're bringing yourself

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with you. Yeah. And, and so. So I needed to change

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me and that's not an overnight process. So I

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still, I still did stupid things. I still got

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in a little bit of trouble, you know, not the

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kind of trouble that I got in before, but I didn't

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drink and didn't do drugs, but. But the, but

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the transformation was, was gradual. And as I

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went through those steps and, and then I started

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to get excited because I met people who were

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Who were really happy and really content and

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fulfilled and and some of the people I met were

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successful from a financial perspective, but

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but successful in life and And that was probably

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the coolest thing is the successful in life people

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that I met So so I started to surround myself

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with those kinds of people and And, uh, and,

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and I listened to when people would say to me,

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um, and I never was really tempted to go back

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to the crew that I used to hang out with, but

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what it's easy to not be discerning about your

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world and about who you're surrounded with. And,

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and people would say, and I know I'm, I don't

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know why I'm full of cliches today, but I'm gonna

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say it. You lay down with dogs long enough, you're

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going to get fleas, right? And that's, that's

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one of them. And, and I listened to those things.

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So, so I tried to choose people who wanted to

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be on a path. Like I wanted to be on. So, so

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in choosing that my entire world started to shift.

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I like that. Give me, I'm going to, I'm going

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to have to cut this. Give me once or give me

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one minute. Right in the middle of your story.

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All good. Yeah, it's all good, man. Sorry about

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that. Just kind of just pick up where you left

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off. So so lay down with dogs wake up with fleas,

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right? You made that shift. So did you feel like

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the people that you were now connecting with

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was mirroring mirroring who you who you were

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at that time? And then where did that lead your

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life to? They, they definitely started to mirror

00:20:09.539 --> 00:20:14.240
my life or mirror what I wanted, but, but I tried

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to, one of the big things in the 12 steps is,

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is finding a mentor and they call it a sponsor,

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but I call it a mentor because I've had many

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mentors in my life and I, and I tried to choose,

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uh, you know, one mentor, somebody that I could

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relate to and listen to and, and respect. um,

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how that person lived their life. And I, and

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I found one and his name was bud. And, uh, and

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he was the reason I was, um, I guess attracted

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to his sort of way is because he seemed very

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content. And I looked into his eyes and I was

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like, man, that guy's got something. There's

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a, there's a piece there. There's a centeredness

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there. Um, and, and so So that's what I was attracted

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to. And he helped me work through the 12 steps.

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And he also helped me understand that there are

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other ways of understanding life. So I started,

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I started diving into Taoism and Buddhism and,

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and just reading, you know, and just seeing that

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there are many different ways, other than the

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way that I was, that I grew up being told. To

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live life and to change and to get better. And,

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and, and along the way, a few, a few years in,

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I was. Well, I'll, I'll say I started, I went

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to college. I was the only person in my family

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to ever graduate from college, which, which I

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decided to do after I got straight. And, and

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I was fortunate to be able to do that. And when

00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:02.559
I got out of college, I got a criminal justice

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degree because my brother was a cop. My grandfather

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was a cop. My other grandfather was a firefighter.

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That was just, that was, that was it. Yeah. So,

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so I got that degree, but I didn't get that degree

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as much because that's what they were. I got

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that degree because I had no idea when people

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talk about business or marketing or finance.

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I'm like, are you serious? I got out of college.

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I didn't know the difference between wholesale

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and retail. So when I, when I got out of college,

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I went back to what I had been doing, which was

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at that point was carpentry. I was framing homes.

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I was kind of a blue collar kid and that's what

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I started doing. But then somebody asked me to

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get involved in a sales thing. Um, and I was

00:22:50.059 --> 00:22:53.680
like, you know what? I'll try it. And that was

00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:55.700
actually ended up being a multi -level marketing

00:22:55.700 --> 00:22:59.019
thing, which was crazy. But, uh, but it was fine.

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It taught me a number of things. Um, and then

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I got involved in sales again and then again,

00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:11.279
and I kept trying and. And so I'll cut it off

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there. That's, that's kind of, that's kind of

00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:17.460
part of, of reaching for me. It was, it was part

00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:22.890
of taking risks and doing things. That I wasn't

00:23:22.890 --> 00:23:25.690
used to doing that. I had never heard of being

00:23:25.690 --> 00:23:30.309
done. Um, my family wasn't from that place. So

00:23:30.309 --> 00:23:33.589
my, my dad actually came up to me a while before

00:23:33.589 --> 00:23:35.630
that and he said, well, I got a spot on the assembly

00:23:35.630 --> 00:23:38.650
line for you if you want it. And I said, you

00:23:38.650 --> 00:23:41.490
know what? I, I'm good. I think I'm going to

00:23:41.490 --> 00:23:45.230
choose another path. And so, so that's the path

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I started to go down that the risk taking. path

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and putting myself in situations I had not heretofore

00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:59.039
been in. Yeah. There's such a great amount of

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shifting and changing and transformation that's

00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:05.460
happening in your life in these years. Some that

00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:08.680
I can attest to for my life, you know, this,

00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:11.460
you know, we grew as we get older, we grow, you

00:24:11.460 --> 00:24:14.980
know, and the transformation that happens. I

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came from a religious background, too. I know,

00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:19.799
like, some days I would on Sundays, I pretend

00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:22.539
to be asleep. And then my mom is like, Yeah,

00:24:22.579 --> 00:24:24.839
if you don't get up, you're not going X, Y, and

00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:26.859
Z. You know, I'm like, I'm up. I'm up. I'm up.

00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:28.940
I got to go to church. You know what I mean?

00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:31.680
Yeah, and then throughout life, you know, I,

00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.650
I forged my own path and found my own path. you

00:24:34.650 --> 00:24:37.490
know, of what I wanted to do and who I wanted

00:24:37.490 --> 00:24:41.910
to be. And, you know, we go through our transformation

00:24:41.910 --> 00:24:45.829
of stages and our places. And you've gone through

00:24:45.829 --> 00:24:48.329
that. And like I'm reading here, like you said,

00:24:48.329 --> 00:24:51.750
you started as a carpenter, sales, and then you

00:24:51.750 --> 00:24:54.990
end up being a business owner, a builder, a landlord,

00:24:55.130 --> 00:24:57.269
real estate investor and consultant. You have

00:24:57.269 --> 00:25:03.069
many hyphens. So your life is definitely transformed.

00:25:03.650 --> 00:25:08.130
And you shifted into the entrepreneurship space.

00:25:08.170 --> 00:25:15.049
How did that happen? Well, I, um, I had a job

00:25:15.049 --> 00:25:22.470
as a, uh, a sales person in a firm. Uh, it's

00:25:22.470 --> 00:25:24.430
a long story, but actually ended up moving out

00:25:24.430 --> 00:25:29.789
to Boston with a different risk taking venture.

00:25:29.930 --> 00:25:34.599
Um, and then And everybody decided to go back

00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:36.859
to Michigan when it didn't go well. And I said,

00:25:36.940 --> 00:25:38.380
you know what, I'm staying in Boston. I'm the

00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:40.480
only guy that stayed in Boston and I'm going

00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.440
to try some other stuff. So, so I got hired on

00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:47.480
as a sales guy and then, uh, and, and that went

00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:53.180
well in, in this particular industry. And, um,

00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:57.559
and then the company that I was with got bought.

00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.500
But one of my business mentors at that time,

00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:02.779
who I sought out, he was a client of mine. He

00:26:02.779 --> 00:26:05.839
said, you know what? If you really want to make

00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:09.299
real money, you got to have ownership. And I

00:26:09.299 --> 00:26:12.339
was like, Oh, okay. All right. Let me try that.

00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.920
So I ended up being the, the top sales guy for

00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:19.420
this, this little company. And, and, uh, and

00:26:19.420 --> 00:26:22.640
I went to the, to the owner and I said, you know,

00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.759
I I'd like to get some ownership and, and he

00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:28.099
said, All right. Well, what have you done? I

00:26:28.099 --> 00:26:30.819
said, well, this is all that I've done. And he

00:26:30.819 --> 00:26:33.460
said, okay. And before he gave me that ownership,

00:26:34.180 --> 00:26:38.119
he sold the company, which was a little upsetting.

00:26:38.140 --> 00:26:40.799
Yeah, I can imagine. But the new guy that came

00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.759
in, uh, I ended up being the second largest shareholder

00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:48.400
in that firm. So that was, that was the beginning

00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:53.759
of my entrepreneurial journey. Um, and, and that

00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.490
was something that, that, uh, I loved because

00:26:57.490 --> 00:27:01.250
I was writing my own story and, and I had the

00:27:01.250 --> 00:27:04.769
ownership. So there was something that John Paul

00:27:04.769 --> 00:27:08.049
Getty said a long time ago. I don't necessarily

00:27:08.049 --> 00:27:11.329
align with his values from what I understand,

00:27:11.329 --> 00:27:15.529
but I, but he did say, he said, I'd rather make

00:27:15.529 --> 00:27:18.089
1 % of a hundred people's efforts than a hundred

00:27:18.089 --> 00:27:21.769
percent of my own. Yeah. And that's what ownership

00:27:21.769 --> 00:27:24.970
can allow us to achieve. And that's what it helped

00:27:24.970 --> 00:27:31.059
me to. to get into. So I did that for a number

00:27:31.059 --> 00:27:33.240
of years. And then I said, you know what, I think

00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.660
I've had enough. We're becoming too much like,

00:27:35.980 --> 00:27:38.819
uh, I'm not a corporate guy. There was some,

00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.099
there was something about me that even when I

00:27:41.099 --> 00:27:42.700
was a kid, I said, you know, I'm not wearing

00:27:42.700 --> 00:27:44.740
a tie to work. I'm sorry. I'm just not doing

00:27:44.740 --> 00:27:48.559
it. I agree. Right. And, and, but I did it for

00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.460
a little while and then, and then it got so corporatey

00:27:51.460 --> 00:27:54.660
and And it just didn't feel right anymore. And

00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:57.099
in this, this little boutique company that we

00:27:57.099 --> 00:28:00.500
had started to get big. Um, and I said, you know

00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:03.819
what, I think I'm out. So, um, I got involved

00:28:03.819 --> 00:28:06.819
in some real estate, which I had done also in

00:28:06.819 --> 00:28:11.359
part of the, uh, my previous, uh, career. I got

00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.140
involved in a couple of different properties

00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:15.799
and then my wife and I bought a restaurant and

00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.240
I bought more properties. And, and that's just,

00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.240
it just, the momentum of the entrepreneurship.

00:28:21.529 --> 00:28:26.529
Just continued forward and, and it was, it was

00:28:26.529 --> 00:28:30.210
great. And, and, and not everything went extremely

00:28:30.210 --> 00:28:34.950
well. Some things didn't go well, which is fine.

00:28:35.309 --> 00:28:40.089
Yeah. And, but I learned a lot and, and I learned

00:28:40.089 --> 00:28:44.650
a ton about things going well and things not

00:28:44.650 --> 00:28:48.710
going well. And each of them helped me immensely.

00:28:49.730 --> 00:28:55.390
Yeah. For me, I know after university, I struggled

00:28:55.390 --> 00:28:57.910
to find, I really struggled, but I was just seeking

00:28:57.910 --> 00:29:01.269
my place and what I wanted. And my dad is a business

00:29:01.269 --> 00:29:05.069
owner and he also works. And my mom was like

00:29:05.069 --> 00:29:09.430
a very free spirit. And so I got both of those

00:29:09.430 --> 00:29:13.109
genes running in my head and in my body. And

00:29:13.109 --> 00:29:15.549
so I had to figure it out. And I remember I think,

00:29:16.589 --> 00:29:20.130
right after graduation, I worked out went to

00:29:20.130 --> 00:29:23.809
Europe with after that I came back. And then

00:29:23.809 --> 00:29:29.710
I worked for a rental car rental place. And,

00:29:29.890 --> 00:29:31.849
and I won't say the name, everybody will know

00:29:31.849 --> 00:29:36.809
the name. But I was like, this is, I was depressed.

00:29:37.390 --> 00:29:41.869
And I was upset. It was like I need to find what

00:29:41.869 --> 00:29:45.430
I want to do. And so I left Michigan moved to

00:29:45.430 --> 00:29:49.279
Atlanta. And then from Atlanta, move to Los Angeles

00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:52.380
and now back in Atlanta. So I kind of, we kind

00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:57.940
of have a similar direction there. And, but in

00:29:57.940 --> 00:30:00.420
that whole space, you know, trying to find, you

00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:03.960
know, the entrepreneur inside of me, there was

00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.279
a lot of self -doubt. So how do you, how did

00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.579
you, did you have self -doubt on your path? How

00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:12.740
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00:30:12.740 --> 00:30:15.160
what advice would you give to entrepreneurs?

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00:31:44.089 --> 00:31:48.109
That kind of similar thing that we have. Tons

00:31:48.109 --> 00:31:52.289
of self doubt. Yeah. Garbage bags full of self

00:31:52.289 --> 00:31:56.269
doubt. The 40 gallons. Yeah. Yeah. There was

00:31:56.269 --> 00:32:01.630
a lot. I mean, it was, uh, I was unsure for a

00:32:01.630 --> 00:32:06.990
long time. Um, unsure of, is this the right move?

00:32:06.990 --> 00:32:09.470
Is this the right direction? Am I, you know,

00:32:09.490 --> 00:32:14.009
what am I doing? Why did I choose this? You know,

00:32:14.150 --> 00:32:19.500
sales and business ownership is Is a difficult

00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:23.859
thing and, and it takes a while. Um, I have a

00:32:23.859 --> 00:32:26.900
son that's in sales now and, and he's gone through

00:32:26.900 --> 00:32:29.440
the ups and the downs. And I just said, you know,

00:32:29.660 --> 00:32:31.940
what exactly what you have behind you, it's not

00:32:31.940 --> 00:32:33.680
over when you lose, it's over when you quit.

00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.519
Yeah. And that's, and that's a hundred percent

00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.680
it. I mean, so, so how do I, how did I deal with

00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.759
self doubt? And it's a very simple formula and

00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:47.509
it's not that exciting. It's keep going. Just

00:32:47.509 --> 00:32:52.430
keep going. Uh, I heard a lot of people say,

00:32:52.450 --> 00:32:56.150
and I believe this was true. Don't quit before

00:32:56.150 --> 00:32:59.950
the miracle. Don't quit before that place. You

00:32:59.950 --> 00:33:02.130
could be, you could be two minutes away from

00:33:02.130 --> 00:33:04.509
success right now and you don't know it. Yeah.

00:33:05.329 --> 00:33:08.809
And two minutes from leveling up and moving forward.

00:33:09.470 --> 00:33:12.609
So, so that would be, and I know again, it's

00:33:12.609 --> 00:33:15.980
simple, but it's the truth. It's And many, many

00:33:15.980 --> 00:33:18.200
entrepreneurs that I know and business owners

00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.480
that I know and very successful people that I

00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:24.900
know will say exactly the same thing. Just keep

00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:27.339
going. Just keep going. Cause you never know

00:33:27.339 --> 00:33:31.839
what's around the bend, so to speak. Um, there's

00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.740
a lot of things that, that I don't necessarily

00:33:35.740 --> 00:33:38.460
regret, but I continue to look back on where,

00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:43.250
um, Make it practical like when I think I started

00:33:43.250 --> 00:33:46.970
Did a YouTube thing at 2011 right YouTube wasn't

00:33:46.970 --> 00:33:49.569
really all that big but I was doing the things

00:33:49.569 --> 00:33:51.630
that are people doing now back in 2011 not as

00:33:51.630 --> 00:33:56.730
great but had I kept learning and doing who knows

00:33:56.730 --> 00:33:59.529
where you know, I would be because you know You

00:33:59.529 --> 00:34:02.329
just you never know or there's other things that

00:34:02.329 --> 00:34:06.710
that if I didn't stop you know, I would probably

00:34:06.710 --> 00:34:12.010
most likely be at a higher level of success,

00:34:12.570 --> 00:34:15.809
then, then, if I didn't, if I had, you know,

00:34:15.929 --> 00:34:19.510
quit. So what do you say to those people that,

00:34:19.690 --> 00:34:21.710
you know, those entrepreneurs are beginning business

00:34:21.710 --> 00:34:28.630
owners that, that want to quit. But, you know,

00:34:28.750 --> 00:34:30.329
we need to tell them to keep going, but they

00:34:30.329 --> 00:34:33.130
just, they just quit. What do you, I mean, I

00:34:33.130 --> 00:34:35.289
know there's other things that can factor into

00:34:35.289 --> 00:34:39.739
that, but what would you say? I would say it's

00:34:39.739 --> 00:34:45.000
a, it's a, it's always going to be a difficult

00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:50.519
journey, no matter what. If I, if I quit and

00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.559
I have to think it through, I have to think through

00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:57.880
to the end. So if I quit and I still have that

00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:01.619
fire, I'm going to start something else. And

00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:07.210
if I, if I quit and I don't, feed that fire,

00:35:07.210 --> 00:35:09.789
but I still have it in front of me and I, and

00:35:09.789 --> 00:35:12.510
I accept something and I, and I don't mean this

00:35:12.510 --> 00:35:14.949
as a bad thing, but if I accept something that's

00:35:14.949 --> 00:35:18.690
not as challenging or I accept something that's

00:35:18.690 --> 00:35:23.409
just, you know, not commensurate with my capabilities

00:35:23.409 --> 00:35:27.369
or my fire, that's just like quitting. That's

00:35:27.369 --> 00:35:30.750
just like stopping. That's just like, for me,

00:35:30.829 --> 00:35:34.500
that's just like not. Allowing myself to be what

00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:37.559
I can be and I'll feel that I will feel that

00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:43.360
I'm not performing to my capabilities or or striving

00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:48.639
to my capabilities and and so So there's there's

00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:52.940
there's going to be times where Things just don't

00:35:52.940 --> 00:35:56.360
work out and that's okay Yeah, and and I can

00:35:56.360 --> 00:36:00.380
stop and I can retool and I can shift and I think

00:36:00.380 --> 00:36:03.699
they call it pivot these days. I can pivot, right?

00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:08.920
I can choose a new direction. But, but I think

00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:14.059
the, the distinction there is I don't, I shouldn't

00:36:14.059 --> 00:36:17.900
quit because it's difficult because difficult

00:36:17.900 --> 00:36:20.460
is just part of it. Difficult is something that

00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:22.860
we need to get used to, especially if we want

00:36:22.860 --> 00:36:26.219
to keep going. Everything I've done, nothing

00:36:26.219 --> 00:36:30.030
has gotten much easier. It's just that I've built

00:36:30.030 --> 00:36:34.449
myself up to the point through those trials where

00:36:34.449 --> 00:36:39.349
I'm more able to withstand the ups and downs.

00:36:39.690 --> 00:36:44.889
I'm more able to go forward with confidence because

00:36:44.889 --> 00:36:48.050
I didn't quit and because I understand that things

00:36:48.050 --> 00:36:50.610
are going to be difficult. So I think that's

00:36:50.610 --> 00:36:54.230
really the distinction that that an entrepreneur

00:36:54.230 --> 00:36:57.670
needs to make, um, when they're choosing whether

00:36:57.670 --> 00:37:03.829
or not to quit. You live in a life, um, that

00:37:03.829 --> 00:37:07.570
started the way it started. You moved on and

00:37:07.570 --> 00:37:09.849
you're here now where you're, where you are in

00:37:09.849 --> 00:37:11.769
your life. Are you, do you feel like you're living

00:37:11.769 --> 00:37:14.710
your purpose and are you in your purpose right

00:37:14.710 --> 00:37:19.469
now? I do. I do. And it's, it's funny because

00:37:20.110 --> 00:37:24.150
I haven't felt that way until probably two years

00:37:24.150 --> 00:37:29.449
ago. Um, and you know, I'm not a, I'm not a young

00:37:29.449 --> 00:37:36.309
dude. So, so it could be said that we're living

00:37:36.309 --> 00:37:38.969
our purpose, our entire life. We just don't recognize

00:37:38.969 --> 00:37:41.289
it until a certain point in our life. And I,

00:37:41.329 --> 00:37:43.769
and I think there's some truth to that. Like

00:37:43.769 --> 00:37:50.239
that, but because who's to say that There aren't

00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:53.840
17 purposes for my life. Yeah. There doesn't

00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.059
have to be one. Um, and, and I feel like that's

00:37:58.059 --> 00:38:01.320
incredibly important to understand for me is,

00:38:02.860 --> 00:38:06.380
is my purpose and I could get real philosophical,

00:38:06.380 --> 00:38:09.480
but I'm not going to, I'm not going to do it.

00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.900
Um, well, there's, there's a book called the

00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:17.900
Bhagavad Gita, which is, is, uh, uh, a beautiful

00:38:17.900 --> 00:38:23.340
ancient. ancient writings and there's a warrior

00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:30.159
who's tasked with fighting some of his family,

00:38:30.340 --> 00:38:32.179
some of his friends, some of the people that

00:38:32.179 --> 00:38:34.699
he knows because they're sort of on the other

00:38:34.699 --> 00:38:39.280
side. And there's a sage there who is actually

00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:45.500
a god, quote unquote, in this tradition. And

00:38:45.500 --> 00:38:49.949
the god's like, dude, Your purpose is to fight

00:38:49.949 --> 00:38:53.210
those people. Your purpose is to be a warrior.

00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:56.170
That's what you are. You're a warrior. So go

00:38:56.170 --> 00:39:01.570
fight. And so his name was Arjuna and the God's

00:39:01.570 --> 00:39:06.510
name was Krishna. And that was his purpose at

00:39:06.510 --> 00:39:08.789
that time. And I feel like my purpose at one

00:39:08.789 --> 00:39:12.269
point in my life was to drink and do drugs. And

00:39:12.269 --> 00:39:15.710
then my purpose was to get my head out of my

00:39:15.710 --> 00:39:18.940
butt. And then my purpose was to, you know, have

00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:23.360
some success in business. And then now my purpose

00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:28.920
is to, to be an author and, and to, to share

00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.579
my story. So, so I think they all contribute

00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:35.500
and, and they all could be called our purpose.

00:39:35.699 --> 00:39:39.480
They're just not maybe that sort of touchy feely

00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.219
warm cozy thing that we're all looking for. Right.

00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:46.329
This is the kind of conversation that I have

00:39:46.329 --> 00:39:50.530
over and over is like, you know, you don't necessarily

00:39:50.530 --> 00:39:52.690
have just one purpose. You know, you may have

00:39:52.690 --> 00:39:57.210
multiple purposes in different moments. You know,

00:39:57.349 --> 00:40:00.730
for a dad in that one moment with his son or

00:40:00.730 --> 00:40:04.250
his daughter, it may be just being that best

00:40:04.250 --> 00:40:09.110
person, best father to that child. And then,

00:40:09.369 --> 00:40:10.989
you know, maybe you have a different purpose

00:40:10.989 --> 00:40:14.099
within business. like you said, 17 purpose purposes,

00:40:14.300 --> 00:40:16.980
you have, you know, it's not just one purpose.

00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:19.400
So, you know, don't necessarily get stuck with

00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:25.079
that one idea or ideal thing that you think is

00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.679
just the one, one purpose that you have as a

00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:33.860
human being. Right? Yeah. You, I wanted to talk

00:40:33.860 --> 00:40:36.239
about this. I was gonna wait till later. But

00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.960
you wrote a book where you wrote a couple books.

00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.559
And then I like the title of this first book

00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:45.030
is when I stopped fighting the the unexpected

00:40:45.030 --> 00:40:51.070
joy of getting my head out of my ass. So I love

00:40:51.070 --> 00:40:54.889
the title. First of all, what inspired you to

00:40:54.889 --> 00:40:59.670
write that book? And what is it about? That book

00:40:59.670 --> 00:41:05.449
is about my journey. And I and I feel like I,

00:41:05.449 --> 00:41:10.050
I have lived a life where I can help people and

00:41:10.050 --> 00:41:15.320
I can help people Best I believe in terms of

00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.420
my story and and to share my story and I feel

00:41:19.420 --> 00:41:23.260
like that's if there's one thing we all have

00:41:23.260 --> 00:41:26.099
to give in this world, it's our experience in

00:41:26.099 --> 00:41:30.000
our story because somebody at some point might

00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:33.199
be able to relate to that story and say you know

00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:37.579
what I was there too or or I am there now and

00:41:37.579 --> 00:41:39.880
you know what I need to change or I need to do

00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.460
things differently. So I believe our stories

00:41:42.460 --> 00:41:45.980
are incredibly crucial. And my story is, as we've

00:41:45.980 --> 00:41:49.059
talked about, has to do with addiction and dysfunction

00:41:49.059 --> 00:41:56.000
and healing and taking risks and ultimately freedom.

00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:02.280
But the freedom comes with all of it. The winning,

00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:06.300
the losing, the doing dumb stuff, the doing some

00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:09.139
things that might be somewhat intelligent. It's

00:42:09.139 --> 00:42:13.570
all of it. And with my first book, I want people

00:42:13.570 --> 00:42:16.909
to understand it's not a, it's not a you should

00:42:16.909 --> 00:42:20.670
book or this is what you're supposed to do book.

00:42:21.150 --> 00:42:25.849
It's a book that shares my experience and, and

00:42:25.849 --> 00:42:29.170
hopefully, you know, so that people can relate.

00:42:29.769 --> 00:42:33.070
So, so that's the, I look at, look at it more

00:42:33.070 --> 00:42:38.730
as, um, You know falling down many times getting

00:42:38.730 --> 00:42:41.289
up many times and the lessons that I learned

00:42:41.289 --> 00:42:44.929
that's really a the book in a nutshell Okay,

00:42:44.969 --> 00:42:48.030
I like that and then you have another book called

00:42:48.030 --> 00:42:52.449
when you stop fighting the road your own Is your

00:42:52.449 --> 00:42:55.650
own asshole? What's the difference between the

00:42:55.650 --> 00:43:00.750
two books there? The first book is my story and

00:43:00.750 --> 00:43:06.519
the second book is is how can I help? you with

00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.800
your story. Um, and, and I feel like we all have

00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:14.420
a, we all have a wish list in this lifetime.

00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:17.840
And the wish list probably includes, it may be

00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.940
a little different for everybody, but, but happiness

00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:26.099
and contentment, um, great relationships, peace

00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:29.619
of mind. And we already talked about meaning

00:43:29.619 --> 00:43:34.019
or purpose, um, and some financial security.

00:43:34.269 --> 00:43:36.809
And I feel like there's, there's elements of

00:43:36.809 --> 00:43:40.630
that, that everybody wants to acquire. But the

00:43:40.630 --> 00:43:43.570
question is, how do we go about getting there?

00:43:44.250 --> 00:43:46.570
And I went about getting there through drinking

00:43:46.570 --> 00:43:49.769
and drugs and, and, you know, addictions and

00:43:49.769 --> 00:43:53.329
I was addicted to nicotine and, you know, even

00:43:53.329 --> 00:43:57.469
cigarettes and tobacco and, and work and a number

00:43:57.469 --> 00:43:59.630
of different things. And those things are easy

00:43:59.630 --> 00:44:04.280
to get attached to. So, so am I. Am I developing

00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:09.800
that wish list by reaching outside for all of

00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:14.239
these things and reaching outside for my contentment

00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:19.880
and how I present myself in my relationships

00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:24.840
and into this world? And so what is stopping

00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.320
me? And a lot of times those things are stopping

00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:32.010
me from getting to my wish list. And so how do

00:44:32.010 --> 00:44:34.829
we move forward? How do we change? How do we,

00:44:34.829 --> 00:44:41.030
how do we, um, how do we fail and still go? How

00:44:41.030 --> 00:44:44.449
do we falter and get up? And what does that journey

00:44:44.449 --> 00:44:48.789
look like? Um, and, and the journey is on the

00:44:48.789 --> 00:44:52.969
inside journey that I have to take is in here.

00:44:52.989 --> 00:44:57.130
And that's how all this stuff out there, um,

00:44:57.889 --> 00:45:03.550
changes. Yeah. Everyone has a story, right? And

00:45:03.550 --> 00:45:06.610
depending on who the person is, they may connect

00:45:06.610 --> 00:45:09.929
to your story for whatever reason, you just never

00:45:09.929 --> 00:45:14.110
know who you impact by sharing yourself. So if

00:45:14.110 --> 00:45:20.250
anyone has a story to tell, and they don't know

00:45:20.250 --> 00:45:28.599
how, what advice would you give them? understanding

00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.980
that our stories are valuable. And I tell a story

00:45:32.980 --> 00:45:40.039
in my second book of a guy who many people may

00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.000
not listen to. And, and, but my mentor said,

00:45:45.019 --> 00:45:48.079
he told me, listen to everybody. Everybody's

00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:51.059
got something to share, whether it's, whether

00:45:51.059 --> 00:45:54.960
it's, you know, the CEO of a, of a huge corporation

00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:00.940
or the person at the, the grocery store or, and

00:46:00.940 --> 00:46:04.340
many times, you know, in the 12 steps, I was

00:46:04.340 --> 00:46:07.300
introduced to a lot of people who were homeless

00:46:07.300 --> 00:46:10.679
at that time. And, and there was a homeless guy

00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.639
at a meeting one time that said to me, or said

00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:17.400
at the table, he said, he said, you know, you

00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:21.710
can't change other people until they're willing

00:46:21.710 --> 00:46:24.909
and ready to change. And that was something that

00:46:24.909 --> 00:46:26.769
just hit me like a ton of bricks in the side

00:46:26.769 --> 00:46:30.929
of my head because my sister had struggled with

00:46:30.929 --> 00:46:33.070
some of the same things that I was struggling

00:46:33.070 --> 00:46:35.469
with. And I was trying to get her out of it and

00:46:35.469 --> 00:46:38.630
save her and all that sort of thing. So what

00:46:38.630 --> 00:46:41.449
do I say to someone that's hesitant to share

00:46:41.449 --> 00:46:45.489
their story is please share it because whatever

00:46:45.489 --> 00:46:47.510
you've learned to this point in your life, I

00:46:47.510 --> 00:46:52.480
don't care if you're 16 or 25 or 37 or, or 70,

00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:56.059
you know, share because, because you never know

00:46:56.059 --> 00:46:58.820
who you're going to affect and who you're going

00:46:58.820 --> 00:47:05.039
to help. Yeah, that, um, that's one of the big

00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.019
thing is that everybody has a story. And when

00:47:08.019 --> 00:47:11.119
you were, we were saying that, uh, listen to

00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:14.719
everybody, cause you just never know. Like what

00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:18.829
has what someone has on the inside and. That's

00:47:18.829 --> 00:47:21.389
very powerful. And do you think that from that

00:47:21.389 --> 00:47:25.809
advice that made you, uh, I don't know, kind

00:47:25.809 --> 00:47:29.210
of person or what, what did that advice give

00:47:29.210 --> 00:47:36.570
you? You know, it gave me, um, there's, there's

00:47:36.570 --> 00:47:40.150
another word for humility or another definition

00:47:40.150 --> 00:47:44.170
for humility. And I believe it is being teachable.

00:47:45.470 --> 00:47:48.530
And understanding that I don't know. I don't

00:47:48.530 --> 00:47:51.769
have all the answers. And it's very easy when

00:47:51.769 --> 00:47:54.929
we're younger to think that we have all the answers

00:47:54.929 --> 00:47:57.389
and that that everything we discover is brand

00:47:57.389 --> 00:48:00.909
new. And it's not because there's a lot of wisdom

00:48:00.909 --> 00:48:03.269
that's come before us. And there's, there's a

00:48:03.269 --> 00:48:07.869
lot of wisdom that came before me. And am I willing

00:48:07.869 --> 00:48:12.900
to to study that wisdom and to be teachable and

00:48:12.900 --> 00:48:16.880
to listen to other people and to understand that

00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.940
I don't have all the answers. And I think there's

00:48:19.940 --> 00:48:27.619
a wonderful breadth and depth of knowledge and

00:48:27.619 --> 00:48:32.239
experience that can be had by putting down what

00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.099
I think I know and being open to what I don't

00:48:36.099 --> 00:48:39.519
know, which is There's a lot more that I don't

00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.480
know than I do know. And at this point in my

00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.320
life, and I'm almost 60 years old, it's gotten

00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:48.920
even bigger of what I don't know. Of what you

00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:51.699
don't know. Right. And of what you don't know

00:48:51.699 --> 00:48:56.920
that you don't know. Right. Exactly. Yes. The

00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:00.579
fact that you've, you, you know, you experienced

00:49:00.579 --> 00:49:03.400
life the way you have, what's your advice for

00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:08.659
entrepreneurs who, who feeling overwhelmed or

00:49:08.659 --> 00:49:12.539
stuck and want to move their life or even entrepreneurs

00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:16.820
that might be suffering, um, addictions and silence.

00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:21.760
What's your advice to them? Well, in terms of

00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:25.480
feeling stuck or feeling that they're in a spot

00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:27.860
where they're not moving or things are changing,

00:49:27.900 --> 00:49:31.119
I'd say you have to, you have to figure out how

00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.420
to do things differently. Um, and a lot of times

00:49:35.610 --> 00:49:37.590
There was one thing that there's a couple things

00:49:37.590 --> 00:49:41.449
that bud told me that that are incredibly crucial

00:49:41.449 --> 00:49:45.170
in life and and both have to do with the with

00:49:45.170 --> 00:49:48.949
how I titled my books. But I grew up I grew up

00:49:48.949 --> 00:49:51.869
to fight. I grew up to struggle. I grew up to

00:49:51.869 --> 00:49:54.530
battle. I grew up to you know, he played a lot

00:49:54.530 --> 00:49:56.730
of sports. If there's not a bone sticking out,

00:49:56.730 --> 00:49:59.289
you're not hurt. You know, if you're if you're

00:49:59.289 --> 00:50:01.449
struggling swing harder all of those things,

00:50:01.449 --> 00:50:04.530
right? Like just yeah, working against ourselves

00:50:04.530 --> 00:50:07.670
and And Bud told me one time, he said, Daryl,

00:50:08.130 --> 00:50:12.550
when you stop fighting, the fighting stops. And

00:50:12.550 --> 00:50:16.130
I was like, Oh, so I've been ruminating on that

00:50:16.130 --> 00:50:18.789
for a long, long time. And, and that's why I

00:50:18.789 --> 00:50:20.809
titled my books when I stopped fighting and when

00:50:20.809 --> 00:50:23.570
you stop fighting, because, because it's easy

00:50:23.570 --> 00:50:27.670
to be our own worst enemy. It's easy to, to,

00:50:28.010 --> 00:50:30.829
to put ourselves in a position where we're just

00:50:30.829 --> 00:50:34.400
wrestling and grinding and fighting. As opposed

00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.199
to think, you know, doing something differently,

00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:42.019
maybe as opposed to, uh, just grinding and grinding

00:50:42.019 --> 00:50:44.179
and grinding. Maybe I need to take a break. Maybe

00:50:44.179 --> 00:50:46.440
I need to rest. And these are all things I had

00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.159
to learn over time, or maybe I have to learn

00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.059
how to, how to approach things in a different

00:50:52.059 --> 00:50:55.679
way. Uh, and that can come from study that can

00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.800
come from, from listening to podcasts of successful

00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:02.119
people. It can come from a lot of different things,

00:51:02.139 --> 00:51:06.119
but. But I'd say doing things differently is,

00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:12.019
is crucial. And regarding the addictions, another

00:51:12.019 --> 00:51:14.239
thing that Bud said to me was, he said, Darrell,

00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:16.820
first things first and the rest will be added

00:51:16.820 --> 00:51:20.320
on. And I was like, okay, that sounds cool, but

00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:25.820
what's first, right? And so that gets into a

00:51:25.820 --> 00:51:28.539
little more of a philosophical look, but, but

00:51:28.539 --> 00:51:32.579
it's what what's first is to develop me. I have

00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:37.800
to develop me and develop my ability to withstand

00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.460
the tough times. And if I can develop me, I will

00:51:42.460 --> 00:51:47.719
have success in many areas of life. And I'm not

00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.079
talking about just financial success. I'm talking

00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:53.019
about the wish list from my second book. I'm

00:51:53.019 --> 00:51:56.340
talking about purpose and fulfillment and great

00:51:56.340 --> 00:51:58.500
relationships and all those sorts of things.

00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.199
And if I just have a pile of money, I haven't

00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:07.000
accomplished much. So to get to the success part,

00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.980
I have to let go of what's stopping me. I have

00:52:10.980 --> 00:52:16.880
to figure out how to jettison those addictions

00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:20.420
and whatever those addictions are. We all know

00:52:20.420 --> 00:52:24.360
intrinsically what's going on with us. It's just

00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.539
a matter of, are we going to admit it to ourselves

00:52:27.539 --> 00:52:35.170
and then decide to change? Or aren't we? That's

00:52:35.170 --> 00:52:41.690
a lot to ruin it on. You grew up struggling and

00:52:41.690 --> 00:52:44.909
fighting. I think that when you said that, that

00:52:44.909 --> 00:52:51.050
was one of the things that I connect with because

00:52:51.050 --> 00:52:55.809
just as a young person, I was always fighting,

00:52:56.110 --> 00:52:59.699
fighting, fighting. not necessarily with other

00:52:59.699 --> 00:53:01.440
people. But when I did fight with other people,

00:53:01.739 --> 00:53:06.900
it was not I was I was I was bad. But I was fighting

00:53:06.900 --> 00:53:11.860
with myself as well. And then you said once you

00:53:11.860 --> 00:53:14.440
once you stop once I stopped fighting the fighting

00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.719
stops. I think that through the things that I've

00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:21.079
learned, you know, the places that I've been,

00:53:21.659 --> 00:53:24.860
I stopped. I've learned how to do that for myself

00:53:24.860 --> 00:53:28.389
and things would flow differently. in my life.

00:53:28.849 --> 00:53:34.289
And I think that, you know, that was, that was

00:53:34.289 --> 00:53:37.289
profound. I think it was wonderful to say. And

00:53:37.289 --> 00:53:43.630
then said a lot of let go of let go of what's

00:53:43.630 --> 00:53:49.889
stopping me. What is the initial step for people

00:53:49.889 --> 00:53:53.469
to begin to let go of what when they first recognize,

00:53:54.010 --> 00:53:58.059
I guess that would be a Recognize the thing that's

00:53:58.059 --> 00:54:01.820
stopping them. When do they begin to like, let

00:54:01.820 --> 00:54:05.739
that go? Well, it's, it's, uh, we touched on

00:54:05.739 --> 00:54:08.960
a little bit earlier, but it's, it's getting

00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:11.340
sick and tired of being sick and tired, getting

00:54:11.340 --> 00:54:14.000
stick a bang in my head against the wall and,

00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.360
and doing the same thing and expecting different

00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:19.559
results and, and just getting to a point where

00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:24.920
you're just done and, and you're ready to listen.

00:54:25.179 --> 00:54:29.260
to something that may change, change your life

00:54:29.260 --> 00:54:33.239
or change you or change the direction. I, I look

00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:35.880
at, and I talk about this a lot in my second

00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:38.039
book, what's our trajectory? You know, are we

00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:41.440
headed North or are we headed South? And there's

00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.139
various degrees of North and South. I could be

00:54:44.139 --> 00:54:45.699
heading South going like this, or I could be

00:54:45.699 --> 00:54:48.139
going like that. There was a point in my life

00:54:48.139 --> 00:54:51.440
when I was going like that. And, and then there's

00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.340
one of the things I talk about is heading toward

00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:56.000
true North, you know, which We're never going

00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.579
to be perfect. We're never going to get it all

00:54:59.579 --> 00:55:02.079
right. We're never going to, you know, just,

00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.820
okay, I'm done. You know, wow. Thank God that's

00:55:04.820 --> 00:55:08.960
over. Um, we're always going to be striving and

00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.079
we're always going to have to be moving. So,

00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:15.719
so if you're in a place where you're just done

00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:19.260
and you're, and you are sick and tired of being

00:55:19.260 --> 00:55:24.360
sick and tired, that's, I would say 98 % of the

00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.099
time. That's what it takes before we're willing

00:55:27.099 --> 00:55:31.559
to accept new information and do things differently

00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:36.260
and start that process of change. I like that.

00:55:37.059 --> 00:55:41.119
What's one piece of unconventional wisdom about

00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:45.860
business that you would give to an entrepreneur

00:55:45.860 --> 00:55:51.179
or something that you strongly believe in? Unconventional

00:55:51.179 --> 00:55:53.659
wisdom. Oh, let's see. That's a good question.

00:55:56.460 --> 00:56:01.679
I would say that stick your nose in as many things.

00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.860
Seriously, I've stuck my nose in a lot of places

00:56:05.860 --> 00:56:09.880
where initially it didn't belong in terms of

00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:13.960
learning and taking risks and trying and not

00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:18.400
being prepared. You know, you don't have to prepare

00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:22.380
to be successful. You got to stick your nose

00:56:22.380 --> 00:56:25.699
in there and figure it out. Because if every

00:56:25.699 --> 00:56:28.360
time I'm going to try something new, I wait till

00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:32.820
I got it. It's not going to happen. I have to

00:56:32.820 --> 00:56:36.059
stick my nose in and I have to, I have to, I

00:56:36.059 --> 00:56:40.320
have to risk and risk is a huge word with a lot

00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:42.800
of implications, but you stick your nose in there.

00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:46.059
Somebody might whack you, but you have to understand

00:56:46.059 --> 00:56:48.000
that that's just part of it. You know, you're,

00:56:48.260 --> 00:56:50.340
you're going to get whacked and you're going

00:56:50.340 --> 00:56:54.619
to have difficult things happen. But, but. Those

00:56:54.619 --> 00:56:57.880
are the stepping stones, right? the tough things

00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:01.320
happen and I step and another tough things happens

00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:04.260
and I step and if I don't quit I keep leveling

00:57:04.260 --> 00:57:08.360
up and and You caught me off guard with that

00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:09.980
question, but I love it. I'm gonna ask somebody

00:57:09.980 --> 00:57:12.800
else that question I think sticking your nose

00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.980
in is is a big part of being successful. I like

00:57:16.980 --> 00:57:20.920
it. I like it yeah, I think that is a conventional

00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:28.429
and You you can't wait to be ready to or get

00:57:28.429 --> 00:57:31.949
ready to be ready, you know, I mean Take the

00:57:31.949 --> 00:57:36.449
risk, right? If there's one piece of a legacy

00:57:36.449 --> 00:57:38.010
for yourself that you would like to leave behind,

00:57:38.090 --> 00:57:44.150
what would it be? My legacy for me is my books

00:57:44.150 --> 00:57:49.929
I was I was told this and I'll just do a quick

00:57:49.929 --> 00:57:54.800
short story here One of my partners in a business

00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:59.340
at one point said to me, he said, Darrell, this

00:57:59.340 --> 00:58:01.559
business is going to be part of your legacy.

00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:07.340
And my stomach turned and whatever was in me

00:58:07.340 --> 00:58:11.699
just curdled because I didn't want a business

00:58:11.699 --> 00:58:15.900
to be my legacy. I want what I can give back

00:58:15.900 --> 00:58:19.760
to humanity to be my legacy and to give back

00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.610
to people to help them grow. or change or shift

00:58:23.610 --> 00:58:27.550
course or whatever it is. So I'm not done writing.

00:58:27.710 --> 00:58:30.090
I've done two books. I committed to writing three,

00:58:30.130 --> 00:58:32.210
but who knows where it goes from there. I don't,

00:58:32.230 --> 00:58:35.909
I don't put parameters on what's possible anymore

00:58:35.909 --> 00:58:39.469
because, because life has turned out a thousand

00:58:39.469 --> 00:58:41.670
times better than I could have ever imagined.

00:58:42.630 --> 00:58:47.570
Um, and, and so, so I would say my legacy is,

00:58:47.570 --> 00:58:52.340
is sharing my message and helping people Change

00:58:52.340 --> 00:58:56.099
their trajectory and change their life and and

00:58:56.099 --> 00:58:58.320
help them move forward in their lives and and

00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.719
then they can do that for someone else to that

00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:09.760
point as your Last words on today's podcast What

00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:13.000
would be or is your vice to people who are listening

00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:21.159
or watching My advice is if you if you want to

00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:26.159
If you want to feel contentment and you want

00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:28.980
to feel fulfillment and you want great relationships

00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:33.099
and you want to feel like, hey, my purpose is

00:59:33.099 --> 00:59:39.619
being fulfilled and I'm getting somewhere financially,

00:59:41.219 --> 00:59:47.059
you have to be willing to do what probably 95

00:59:47.059 --> 00:59:50.559
% of people on this planet are not willing to

00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:55.510
do. And if we look at successful people, they're,

00:59:55.510 --> 00:59:59.510
you know, somewhere between one and 5 % of getting

00:59:59.510 --> 01:00:04.809
to a place where people don't get to. And so

01:00:04.809 --> 01:00:07.670
if that's what you want, and that's what you

01:00:07.670 --> 01:00:11.889
want to achieve, you're going to have to go through

01:00:11.889 --> 01:00:15.250
a lot more headaches, a lot more difficulty,

01:00:15.650 --> 01:00:20.630
and a lot more pain. then most people are willing

01:00:20.630 --> 01:00:24.590
to allow themselves to go through and to understand

01:00:24.590 --> 01:00:28.889
that and And just understand that as a possibility

01:00:28.889 --> 01:00:33.869
going in When the tough stuff happens You'll

01:00:33.869 --> 01:00:36.250
say you know what that Darrell guy said that

01:00:36.250 --> 01:00:38.949
I'm gonna go through this and and I'm gonna go

01:00:38.949 --> 01:00:41.170
through tough stuff And it's just a stepping

01:00:41.170 --> 01:00:44.710
stone. It's just a way to get to the next spot

01:00:44.710 --> 01:00:49.809
I think that's That's probably the most important

01:00:49.809 --> 01:00:53.030
advice I can give if you really want to level

01:00:53.030 --> 01:00:58.329
up life. Yeah. It's been sound advice you've

01:00:58.329 --> 01:01:00.349
been giving through the whole podcast. So first

01:01:00.349 --> 01:01:04.329
of all, I appreciate your openness and transparency

01:01:04.329 --> 01:01:09.070
of sharing where you started and how you transitioned

01:01:09.070 --> 01:01:13.409
through life and transformed yourself into the

01:01:13.409 --> 01:01:17.070
person that you are. And then sharing your gifts

01:01:17.070 --> 01:01:21.329
of just being human, a human being on this planet.

01:01:21.869 --> 01:01:24.989
So thank you for doing that and spending your

01:01:24.989 --> 01:01:29.550
time on this podcast. You have, you have great

01:01:29.550 --> 01:01:33.050
wisdom and it's very appreciated. So I would

01:01:33.050 --> 01:01:35.809
like, you know, how can, you know, listeners

01:01:35.809 --> 01:01:39.550
and watchers get in touch with you? Thank you,

01:01:39.630 --> 01:01:41.889
Michael. First of all, for saying that I appreciate

01:01:41.889 --> 01:01:43.530
that. And I appreciate you having me on your

01:01:43.530 --> 01:01:47.150
show. The best way to find me is, is through

01:01:47.150 --> 01:01:52.110
my website, which is daryldittmer .com. And that's

01:01:52.110 --> 01:01:58.070
D -A -R -Y -L -D -I -T -T -M -E -R .com. I also

01:01:58.070 --> 01:02:01.710
have a podcast, which is great fun. Um, Michael,

01:02:01.750 --> 01:02:05.670
you're going to be on it here real soon. If you

01:02:05.670 --> 01:02:08.550
want to be, uh, and that's, that's, it's called

01:02:08.550 --> 01:02:12.670
the, when I stopped fighting the podcast. Uh,

01:02:12.670 --> 01:02:16.969
and that is, uh, Apple and, and I heart and,

01:02:16.969 --> 01:02:20.170
and Spotify and YouTube and et cetera, et cetera.

01:02:20.230 --> 01:02:23.429
So you can find that anywhere. Um, and my books

01:02:23.429 --> 01:02:26.769
are on Amazon. So you can either type in my name,

01:02:27.130 --> 01:02:29.829
Darrell Dittmer, or you can type in the title

01:02:29.829 --> 01:02:32.369
of the books when I stopped fighting or when

01:02:32.369 --> 01:02:35.329
you stop fighting and they'll pop up on Amazon.

01:02:35.739 --> 01:02:38.320
I like those. We'll definitely put everything.

01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:40.579
Thank you for the invitation. I appreciate that.

01:02:40.860 --> 01:02:43.340
And then we'll put everything in the description.

01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:45.960
So make sure you go to the description and click

01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:49.219
on those links that will be there. And, you know,

01:02:49.219 --> 01:02:52.380
again, Darrell, thank you so much for being being

01:02:52.380 --> 01:02:56.440
here and again, sharing yourself. It makes our

01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.260
podcast, you know, a full awesome podcast to

01:02:59.260 --> 01:03:01.539
listen to because of people like you. So thank

01:03:01.539 --> 01:03:05.269
you again. And Everybody that's listening to

01:03:05.269 --> 01:03:07.690
watching, you know, to either go to Facebook,

01:03:07.829 --> 01:03:11.150
The Thrive Old Journey, for clips and other information

01:03:11.150 --> 01:03:13.670
that we share. And as we always say about this

01:03:13.670 --> 01:03:18.789
time, let's make thriving our new normal. Thank

01:03:18.789 --> 01:03:21.809
you, Michael. Thank you, Darrell. Before you

01:03:21.809 --> 01:03:23.789
go, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for

01:03:23.789 --> 01:03:26.429
being a part of The Thrive Old Journey. Every

01:03:26.429 --> 01:03:28.809
time you show up here, you're choosing growth.

01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.539
clarity, and the deeper work of becoming who

01:03:31.539 --> 01:03:33.900
you're meant to be in this world. And if you're

01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:36.599
ready to reconnect with what truly lights you

01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.300
up, I created something powerful that can help

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01:04:13.469 --> 01:04:15.670
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01:04:15.670 --> 01:04:18.510
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01:04:18.510 --> 01:04:21.969
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01:04:21.969 --> 01:04:24.369
not just go through the motions. Let's really

01:04:24.369 --> 01:04:27.610
walk this path on purpose. I appreciate you.

01:04:27.750 --> 01:04:30.530
And like we always say, let's make thriving our

01:04:30.530 --> 01:04:32.329
new normal. And I'll talk to you soon.