The early part of my life was very shaped by,
I think, what a lot of people experience. And
this is sort of, you know, to tie it back to
what we were discussing is my story is my individual
experience of this massive awakening. And it
started out as me externalizing who I was. It's
the wildest thing. It's absolutely the initiation
of initiations. And I'm sure as I get deeper
into it, I'll be able to speak even more. I'm
really just a reflection that helps. I'm this
sort of sounding board and this mirror that people
can then see themselves better in, I like to
think. I believe that there are particular people
that are here to guide people out of what we
see in this lifetime as a bad habit or an addiction.
or something that is causing you to keep coming
back to this same problem in your life. Mindset
is first. Setting is the environment, and you
want the environment to be a place that is safe,
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two combat tours as Marine Corps officer, Susanna
had a spiritual waking that changed her life.
Now she guides others through transformation
as an energy priestess. As the co -founder of
House of Embodied Metamorphosis, she is also
author of Enthio Generated, a research study
on psychedelics and change, and is dedicated
to fostering peace and connectedness worldwide.
And we just had a kind of small conversation
earlier, and I just want to say thank you for
being here. How are you doing today? I am. Oh,
it like the energy is fiery today. I got it like
people coming at me from all the different directions.
So like, there's part of me that's like, Oh,
no. And then there's a part of me that like goes
right back into that kind of warrior energy,
you know, like, let's do this. Yeah, feeling
energized. I love it. And I just wanted to And
that's why we're on here. You you are. a mom
of a new baby. Yeah, I am. I co -created life
into this world. And that to me is like, it's
the wildest thing. It's absolutely the initiation
of initiations. And I'm sure as I get deeper
into it, I'll be able to speak even more to it.
Right now, I'm just two and a half months in.
But the process of bringing forth life is something
that really should be talked about. in a new
way, I think in our world. Yeah, and honoring
mothers. It's a beautiful thing. And yeah, mothers
are to be honored, like, not just one day and
was it May, but yeah, all the time. Trust me.
In the beginning, in the intro, I talked about
your as a role as an energy priestess, what is
an energy priestess? And do you like God people?
guide people to connect with their inner selves?
Very much. I mean, I'm really just a reflection,
right? That helps. I'm this sort of sounding
board and this mirror that people can then see
themselves better in, I like to think. But the
frequency and the calling of priestess, the archetype
of priestess, I did a lot of research as I was
kind of coming that that word kind of came into
my reality as I was awakening and I was like,
can I really call myself a priestess? I don't
have like a proper lineage or I'm not part of
a church, you know. Well, I mean, I am now, but
we'll talk about that later. I created one for
myself, but the priestess archetype is really
a particular calling and I would say like encoded
in our DNA that says that I am here to help people
out of karmic loops. That's what priestesses
do. Yeah, help people out of karmic loop so essentially
a karmic loop is Depending upon your belief if
you if you believe in reincarnation or if you
believe in multiple lives We believe that I believe
that there are particular people that are here
to guide people out of what we see in this lifetime
as Like a bad habit or an addiction or something
that is causing you to keep coming back to this
same problem in your life And by working through
that problem, which, you know, Carl Jung kind
of calls the shadow. There's all sorts of ways
to describe this, but, um, some, you know, the
Catholic church can call it demons. It's all
sorts of different many names, right? Many names,
but it's this process of hitting against this
same issue that comes up over and over and over
again in different ways and different flavors
in your life. And you're like, how do I just
get out of this? And what happens is when you.
focus directly on that, then you have you quite
literally have a transmutation of that energy
into whatever your power is. So by working on
that problem, you then step into what I would
call Dharma, your purpose. And so that's what
priestesses are here to do. And I call myself
an energy priestess, because my particular chosen
method of working is primarily through energy
and the energy field of someone is that similar
to a pattern? like people live a certain pattern
or just just and they keep repeating that over
and over again. I mean, we all have it, right?
These patterns are, you're exactly right. It
is like a pattern that is typically destructive
in some way. It's causing destruction in your
life. It's causing relationships to fail. It
could be just being avoidant, right? Like the
avoidant tendency or the anxious attachment in
a relationship. It could be a substance. It could
be sex, right? We see all these different patterns
that people have that keep looping on themselves
and you keep finding yourself. I mean, I'm sure
there are listeners out there like, hey, have
you ever gotten into kind of the same relationship
multiple times over and over again with different
people? Hey, that I would call a karmic loop.
And it's likely in my world and in our belief
system, I believe that you did that in other
lifetimes as well. and you will keep working
on that and you'll keep going through that loop
because I believe in the spiral of spiritual
progression which basically suggests that you
start down here and everything is about is a
spiral and you're you're ascending and expanding
at the same time but you'll come back around
and you'll loop back on something that you learned
before but if you don't ascend then you continue
to stay in that same loop and it's literally
a merry -go -round until you break that pattern
and then you get to ascend and then you go to
the next level of it and you end up in similar
patterns but from a higher level of consciousness
so you can look back and go oh I'm not going
to make that mistake anymore I'm complete with
that and that's really what the priestess energy
is about and you pull them out of that pattern
is, I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, I was just going
to say, you know, I clarify that I'm not pulling
anybody out of anything. OK, OK. They are pulling
themselves out that you are the one that encourages
your own self to have that expansion. But I am
the one that holds the space for it and helps
to create the safety within which you can do
it. Has is there I'm looking at. the world. I
know I'm about to go big. I know it's kind of
crazy, right? Go big. So I'm in. Let's dive in.
Yeah. Do you think that? Let's see. How do I
say this? Like, time and time again, century
over century that, like, we come back and we
repeat cycles. And do we as a collective ascend
if we do learn, you know, how to get out of those?
Those patterns. I love this question. I'm so
glad you're asking it. We are on the same page.
Yeah. The answer is yes. And let's see, like,
how weird do I get on the answer to this question?
The one thing that I believe to be true is that
we right now are going through a collective ascension
process, a collective awakening, if you will.
A lot of people are feeling it in many different
forms. And what I call it, some people call it
the Ascension Project. That's like a, that's
a whole name for it. I call it a galactic shift.
And these are known to happen every few hundred
million years on every planet. It's actually
like a sort of common occurrence. If every 100
million years was it's about 150 million. And
basically, there's a moment in which the planet
gets closer to what I would call like our central
godhead. And the whole energy of everything starts
to vibrate faster. And you quite literally ascend
in your in your frequency. But the felt experience
of that as a human is lot To raise your energy
But a there is free will in it so you get to
choose whether you do it or not You don't have
to just because we're kind of like when you get
closer to the Sun You can choose whether you
want to stay closer to the Sun Or you can go
inside and cover yourself up, right? And not
get a sunburn. But some people are like, okay,
I can stay outside for longer. I can take the
heat. And in this particular moment, we're experiencing
a galactic shift that is raising the total, like
the average vibration of the entire planet. And
as a collective, we are going through that ascension
process, which involves our own free will, our
own choice. And then it also involves some people
opting out and just saying, I'm, I, you know,
I'm not ready. for that yet and there are ways
that then you know their souls you know kind
of leave earth essentially and they don't and
they don't make it through that process but we
i do personally believe that we're going through
that right now is that like a spiritual awakening
is it does it vary from person to person The
felt experience of it. So like, let's say we're
talking on the, you know, the macro level of
Earth, right? The vibration of Earth is at a
particular frequency. And then in, let's say,
100 years, it's 10 points higher, right? Kind
of like the temperature, right? That's a huge
shift. That's a huge shift. And even if it's
just a small, you know, small number of frequency
change, For each individual person, that's a
massive change in our environment. So every single
person is going to have their own individual
experience of what that feels like. There's going
to be similar sort of what we would call like
symptoms, right? So like a sentence symptoms.
I find that a lot of people get headaches during
the process. Usually you're going to go through
some kind of spiritual awakening journey that
has some similarities with your fellow humans.
But the meaning in your own individual life is
going to be directed at you. So it'll be in your
own relationships and the things that you personally
are working on. And as we know, human beings
are a wide and varied species. So people everywhere
are going to have their own stories of what these
symptoms bring about. But ultimately, it's the
same thing that's happening to everyone, but
the stories are playing out in a unique way for
every person. Okay. I'm listening and I'm trying
to figure what kind of questions I can ask because
it's so, man, it's a lot with so much. Totally.
I know we dove so deep so fast, which I love
this and also Take us back to wherever you want
to go because I will be there and I am actually
going to plug my computer And so just give me
one second here. Okay the problem All right back
at we're back on it. All right, cool. Let's go
back like what started your your spiritual journey.
I know you I saw you You had two, you served
two combat tours, right? In Afghanistan. What
moments led you up to where you are? What reshaped
your life? Oh, man. Yeah. Let's see. The early
part of my life was very shaped by, I think,
what a lot of people experience and and this
is sort of you know to tie it back to what we
were discussing is my story is my individual
experience of this massive awakening and it started
out as me externalizing who I was that's really
like that that would be the headline for it I
was looking to others for validation of who I
am and I was looking to others for the roadmap
as well. How do I understand who I am? How do
I understand my purpose when I'm here to do?
And that started with mostly my father. My father
was a very big influence in my life and I grew
up on an organic blueberry farm in Georgia and
both my parents are attorneys. Like why do attorneys
have a farm? I don't know. Interesting. They're
just busy people. And, um, my father recommended
and encouraged me to go into the military because
he was in the Marine Corps as an attorney in,
during Vietnam and it changed his life and it
made, you know, his world and his experience
in the world better. And so he felt that I should
do the same and had encouraged me throughout
the years to do that. So I then went to the Naval
Academy. and became an officer in the Marine
Corps. A lot of people don't know that the Naval
Academy serves both the Navy and the Marine Corps
because the Marine Corps is in the Department
of the Navy. Fun fact. Yeah, I didn't know that.
And I had family in the Navy. Most people don't
know, and I don't think I even knew until I got
there. I was like, why are you guys together?
But ultimately, that then led me into combat.
And I was there. in Afghanistan serving and I
ended up serving two tours in my short time in
and because they really wanted to get their money's
worth out of me. That's what happened, right?
I was like, I did serve. The process of that
then led me to realize that what I thought the
way he had described the military and the way
had other people had and the way Hollywood had
It's very different from the reality and it was
sort of this reality check and I started and
basically all of my The reality that I had built
up in my mind started to crumble and be like,
oh This is not real or this is not the actual
circumstance So that's when I began to really
go through like a an awakening process was the
disillusionment Yeah, well he was a lawyer So
did he necessarily see combat like you did or?
Yeah, the world is a great question and that
is exactly one of the reasons why his reality
was very different from mine because I went into
combat while he was You know, he was working
in courtrooms. So he was essentially like an
attorney but just in the military the military
doing what he loved, you know, yeah Yeah, which
is great, which is great. Absolutely So I can
see that the Marine Corps, it influenced your
perspective on what you talk about now, which
is consciousness, healing, and transformation.
Yeah. Yeah. I think that in the military and
in the Marine Corps, especially, we call ourselves
the tip of the spear. Okay. The Marines, especially,
are usually the first in, usually the first in
and the first out. That's changed a little bit
with the irregular warfare of Afghanistan, but
we tend to be the risk takers. and the ones who
are just crazy enough to be the frontline. And
I would say that as I got out and I had this
experience of, oh my gosh, like, does God exist?
What, like, what, what was that? What was war?
What was that about? War doesn't actually work
the way I think, you know, all of these conclusions
that were completely sort of different and opposite
from what I had at least made to be real in my
head before I joined. It led me on a journey
of exploration and I began to kind of go into
the frontier of psychedelics and some of these
other alternative techniques for healing. And
I don't even think I really understood that I
was healing myself at the beginning. I just knew
that there was something to be explored and it
felt interesting. And also there were a lot of
people around me that were hurting, especially
my sister who had gone through a very deep process
of being diagnosed with borderline. And I was
just watching it happen everywhere. And of course
in the military as well, significant amounts
of trauma in the military. And that led me on
this journey of like, well, What's out there?
Like what else could we do? And when I started
to engage with psychedelics because I'd moved
to the Bay Area and San Francisco is more friendly
with that kind of thing. It was more common there,
right? I got a very clear message from the plants
when I first started working with them that these
are not just recreational. These are this work
and these kinds of... consciousness, expanding
tools and beings are, are here for, for healing
and for growth. And so that's what kind of led
me away from just, you know, there's a lot of
people who will work recreationally with, with
different plants, but I very quickly, they were,
they were kind of directing me to, um, to work,
to really work with them. Yeah. So coming out
of. the Marines, there was some stuff, psychological
that you had to deal with. And you started dealing
with psychedelics. The question I have is, what
is the significance of using like, was it silo?
I think I had some research. Silo -cybin? Yeah.
Yeah. Like, what's the significance of using
the silo -cybin? Because I know, first of all,
I know that it's becoming more known. um in medicine
um and people are using it in some areas and
it does it has its healing factors yeah so it
let's see this is this is a big question because
i just i love the mushrooms so dearly they are
they are really a species of Within themselves
right fungi itself is a healing species even
not not the psychoactive ones, right? We know
turkey tail reishi chaga all of these mushrooms
across the board are incredibly healing plant
fungi, they're not actually and One thing that
I do clarify is that I try to not use the word
use Although a lot of people do and and and I
understand why because to me these are these
are actual beings that I'm partnering with that
I'm connecting with. I just happen to eat them.
Okay, that's how we work together, right is them
being ingested in my body. But I don't feel like
I use them because they are actually I mean,
if maybe even more accurate as they're using
me as a tool for their expansion, but they There's
a partnership of these medicines and psilocybin
in particular, which is the active ingredient
in what we know to be hallucinogenic mushrooms
is and it's the quote active ingredient. But
I do find that, you know, really the entire mushroom
itself, it's not just the psilocybin that is
active. The whole thing is I found that they
started to open my mind in such a way that my
ego and all when when I said I externalized my
value and I externalized my self, right? They
started to remind me of how I could enter, like
start from within. Okay. And to open my mind
to creating a connection with God, source, divine,
universe, whatever you want to call it, and get
direct connection with that, with that thing.
that was also connected to me. And all of that
allowed me to quiet, and neurologically, they
quiet the default mode network of the brain.
That's what they do. And the default mode network
of the brain, speaking of those patterns we were
talking about before, is you get in your car.
You take your left hand, you put your seatbelt
across, you plug it in, you put your hands on
the wheel, you put your foot on the gas, right?
You know exactly, it's total muscle memory. And
you're actually a bit like a zombie when you're
doing it. You don't have to even be conscious,
right? As we know from people who drink and then
drive, like you can actually do it. You can actually
do it, yeah. Your body can do it because you
don't have to be conscious for a lot of things.
And a lot of people move through life Entirely
like that right totally unconscious and that's
because the default mode network of the brain
is running the show And it's creating these patterns
that keep you safe and keep you in your rhythms
and your routines And that allows you to then
go through life safely, but it doesn't allow
you to go through life creatively And that's
what the medicine does it helps to activate other
parts of the brain and quiet that pattern -based
part of the brain so that you start to realize
that you're in a pattern and to see what other
kinds of patterns you want to develop. It's almost
like a wake -up call to the humdrum of what we've
created our lives to be. And what is the pushback
on that? Or have you experienced that? And do
you mean the pushback like kind of from society
at large or the collective? Yeah, as a collective.
Yeah. Mm -hmm. Well, I mean the amount of bad
marketing Right the propaganda machine that went
after psychedelics, especially in the 1960s and
70s because they were so Widely used and they
there was this boom of them, right and they started
to come into the United States and then everybody
was like Let's try it and then and then Timothy
Leary who I loved dearly, you know, he was leader
but he said tune in turn on drop out and he encouraged
everybody to get out of corporate world out of
the military, you know get out of the Vietnam
War and so all of these medicines became a threat
to almost like to national security because they
were encouraging people to drop out of the system.
And that remains, some of that energy has remained,
which is why a lot of the research that you're
seeing now today is on psilocybin, not LSD. Because
LSD was what they first studied a lot, but a
lot of the research studies were not. well done
and they were certainly not double -blind studies.
They were kind of loose in their use of these
things and they didn't have as many of the structures
that we have today to ensure that the kind of
studying that we're doing is as clear and, quote,
objective as possible. The next question I have
is, is it safe? And how safe is it? For those
who have been to Burning Man, one of the, what
is it? One of the like mantras there is safety
third, which I always thought was great. I was
like, this is awesome. What if we all lived life
with safety third? Yeah. So it's a great question.
The short answer is yes. these medicines all
across the board are generally safe and also
it is your work as someone who may be interested
or is engaging in them in to ensure that the
setting and the experience is safe for you because
as with anything it can be abused and it can
be overused and it can be overdosed. especially
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We talk about three things, set, setting, and
dosage. Set is mindset. So when you step into
any kind of altered state of consciousness, remind
yourself, you're going out of your default mode
network, which means you're going out of the
safe place in your brain. You're going to the
unsafe places. So you want to have an intention
and a purpose for your session and ideally a
guide that is there to bring you back to your
purpose, especially when you go to some of those
quote unsafe places, those dark shadowy places
in the brain and in the body that are creating
some of your feelings of unsafety in life in
general. So mindset is first. Setting is the
environment and you want the environment to be
a place that is safe. and you feel safe so it
could be your home sometimes sometimes homes
have a lot in them so you might want a different
place that has fewer emotions attached to it
but I find that anything that is nestled in nature
is a really powerful and safe place to be often
closer to humanity and urban areas tends to feel
a little more unsafe because nature is generally
safe, although of course we know disasters and
things do happen. And then the third thing is
an environment I would say guide, if you have
a guide with you is contributing to the setting.
To make sure you have a person or a trip sitter,
someone with you who you feel safe with and who
can then witness you and watch you and be with
you in that journey. And the final one is dosage.
And dosage is always a little tricky because
it depends on the type of medicine Every medicine
is measured differently with psilocybin. It also
depends on the strain of the medicine so the
strain of the mushroom because there's all different
strains of psychoactive mushrooms that contain
psilocybin and an experience with for example
I'm trying to think like Aztec God mushrooms
versus Golden teachers, right? It's gonna be
a wildly different experience and you are very
likely going to want a different dosage for for
those And it also it depends on your gender your
weight your you know what you've eaten that day
all of that Yeah, and this is kind of stuff that
you do in your retreat do yes We we have an entire
process that helps people prepare and then integrate
and that's one of the In terms of the environment,
we believe in a container, like a really strong.
So when you ask the question, is it safe? We
help to create the safety for you to then go
into places that might feel unsafe, right? There
might be moments where you're like, Oh, I'm facing
my father wound, right? That could feel really
unsafe for a period of time. But the container
around you, and you know, you know that you're
being held, the container around you is solid.
And so we build. this into our metamorphosis
method, which is preparation, experience, and
integration. And then there's some, you know,
some deeper concepts in there, but that's our
general method, mainly because all of the founders,
all of us at Metamorphosis have experienced unsafe
containers in the past, and we felt what it felt
like, and it didn't feel great. It was highly
sensitive, right? Well, especially in that state.
And I think one of the things that I'm learning
Well, I know of, but I'm practicing more is my
state of being. And when you're at a, in that
state of being, do you find where people start
to connect more to their purpose or, and heal
more because of where they, what they're experiencing,
where they are? Absolutely. Yes. It is one of
the most profound things to witness. people getting
out of that default mode network because then
they're accessing these other creative parts
of the brain. And I'm only speaking about the
brain right now. If we then move into the energy
field and the places slightly outside of your
body that start to open up and you start to access,
you start to access more of yourself. And your
self, capital S, extends all the way out to your
fingertips, if not beyond. Okay, that's all you
right? That's your energy field and your energy
field is you and it dissolves Into the oneness
that's around us. So some people call this personal
space This is my personal space boundaries We
talked about that too the and People can heal
so much faster because they get out of their
own way And there's often there's limiting beliefs
that are stuck in the pattern. And basically
the serotonin is bringing the neurons on the
same highways over and over and over again. So
it literally is like banging your head against
a wall when you're trying to solve a problem,
right? You're like, Why can't I get out of this?
Well, it's because you actually need to expand
beyond and take the side road. Your serotonin
needs to, your neurons need to connect to different
parts of the brain. And then you also need to
open your mind to the possibility that you can
also heal things within your energetic layer.
And most of our health and wellness systems don't
acknowledge an energy body. So that means that
you're trying to heal something on the physical
layer when in fact, you could heal it so much
faster in the energy field. Yeah. So there's
a distinction that is what I'm hearing. There's
a distinction with the mental space, the energetic
space and the physical space. Wonderful. I love
this. Thank you for that segue. At Metamorphosis,
part of our method is speaking about healing
on all four layers. We call those layers the
body, the heart, emotional layer, the mind, mental
layer, and then the spirit, an energetic layer.
Nice, okay. And one of the things that we don't
do in our healthcare world is we don't acknowledge
most of those. Or if we do, they're acknowledged
and they're separated. So you have like one person
that's working on the physical layer, you have
another person, you have a therapist that's working
on the emotional layer. And then maybe you have
an energy healer because you're a little bit
more alternative. And so you're working on that
layer. But most of the and mentally, you may
be working on mindfulness, you know, you may
be meditating. There's, but if you put them all
together, and you work on all four of them at
the same time, you can fully complete karmic
blocks and loops, period. And you can do it quite
quickly. Yeah, which is magical. So that's what
that's what we really specialize in is working
on all four layers at the same time And that's
what's so powerful about plant medicine is it
is a full four layer experience It's working
on the physical layer the emotional layer the
mental layer and the energetic layer all at the
same time nice I have like 25 questions trying
to come up my head at once I know this problem.
Oh my gosh. Well, can you share a story where
you had somebody going through a healing that
they went through something really crazy or deep
or dark and they used your method and went to
your retreat or and came out just with purpose?
Yes. Yes, I absolutely can. Yeah, we had one
woman who has literally been to every single
one of our offerings. She's done it all. And
she kept coming back. And she came in with what
I would call severe anxiety. She came in to our
container. to our cracking the chrysalis container.
And that one is designed for leaders and visionaries.
And we work both with psilocybin as well as some
heart medicines that are to expand and open the
heart. And she was not only did she feel completely
uncomfortable in her own skin, she had, you know,
eating challenges, she had deep trauma wounds
with her family system. But she just had a very
deep sense of unworthiness within herself and
Through the process of going to actually, you
know what she came in through our women's retreat
That was the first one she came to it was like
she's done so many of them. I forget She went
to our women's retreat and then through the leadership
container and during that process she basically
went from corporate America living in San Francisco
working Aggressively so much that she was overworking
herself autoimmune diseases and by the end of
her journey Which was about a year and a half
two years with us and also went through our powerful
purpose program She discovered her purpose as
a sound healer completely left the corporate
industry and is now like a highly successful
Sound healer and is channeling Frequencies through
her sound bowls and and serving people who have
cancer and working in and and serving festivals
and Like it's incredible to see her transformation
She's like a totally different person than who
walked in our door and to think that she if you
had seen her before Her kind of like buttoned
up, you know corporate America. Everything's
great. We're fine energy to the heart centered
Healer that she now is it almost seems like two
different people But that was over the course
of about I would say about two years And and
she's a whole different person and all of her
all of her chronic conditions have either reduced
or completely gone away Yeah, I don't know how
to put this but it's just like Identity probably
has something to do with that, like who she thought
she was at one point. And then she went through
this, this transformation, um, in the two years
and that old identity didn't keep her in that
space anymore. And she found her purpose. And,
um, I was in my mind, I was trying to say something
a little deeper, but this is the way it came
out. No, I think that that's exactly right though.
Identity, you know, much like my own journey
when we externalize our view. of who we are,
which is what she was doing before and trying
to follow in the footsteps of her family and
the people who surrounded her when she was growing
up, it was quite literally making her sick. I
mean, she'd be messaging me in some of our programs
and she'd be like, I have to go to the hospital
because my stomach is in so much pain right now.
And of course, Often say to our clients it does
get worse before it gets better. So like as we're
going through this process, there's a cleaning
out There's a shedding process that happens.
So you got to be willing to go into the fire
to come out on the other side Yeah, but she I'm
just realizing also she's a master coach now.
So like the but now She has full agency over
her physical body. And that's all because what
she is doing is in alignment with and authentic
with who she actually is. That's beautiful. And
when you say that I'm as you were sharing that
now I'm thinking about where we are in February
6 2025 as a nation. How do you reach a larger
a group of people with, with high, you know,
trying to become, get into a higher state of
being. I was just, we did a podcast, maybe yesterday,
I think it was, and we were talking about just
critical thinking. And but I know that this can,
you know, critical thinking with what you have,
what you're going on with, you know, the psychedelic
healing, and everything that it can work together.
How do you reach a group of people to just really
start to help them dig into who they're being
so they can stop being in that loop, that pattern,
and then ascend? Well, we got our work cut out
for us. Judging by the current state of affairs,
you know, the good news is I will never be bored
in this lifetime ever. Because with this skill
set, I'm gonna be working forever. But yeah,
this sort of goes into strategy and even prophecy.
One of the things that I've come to realize is
A, I am not alone in this process. I'm not the
only one that's out there helping people wake
up and remember. So I have to trust and I get
to trust that there I have a whole soul family
that's out there of light beings who are doing
similar work in the world. And so that's one
way that we access. But I would say that when
I first started Getting out of the corporate
world and having my own kind of disillusionment
and leaving that matrix reality I thought I had
to save everything and I had to save everyone
and I was like, oh man, this feels huge You know,
I'm gonna have to like do a hundred million ceremonies
Yeah, you feel that burden for a moment Oh man
and I finally realized that actually When I touch
someone and they wake up then there's another
person that they touch and their awakening and
their opening touches X number of people and
then it goes on and on and on and on and so I
would say Go exactly to the people who you are
called to to connect with to talk to to help
do only your little corner and also The more
you speak and the the the clearer your voice
is in the world The more people are going to
want to listen. Yeah, and you will touch Actually
millions of lives just by working with let's
say a thousand or a couple thousand over your
lifetime, right? Yeah, you will The visual that
was in my head is like circles like the first
circle like your family or whatever the next
circle your community and so forth and so on
organization and things like that. Yes. That's
what played in my mind. Yes and and I see that
a lot I see that sort of spherical energy of
like a sphere and I'm sort of at the core and
usually like with with another person and in
partnership and we're at the core and then we
have a tighter circle right around us and then
what a bigger one and a bigger one and a bigger
one and it's like layers of the earth right it's
like you are in one of those layers And you could
be the core of your own. And the brighter you
shine within yourself, the people will come,
right? The people that need to be changed and
are drawn to your frequency will come to you.
Yeah, that's the exact word I was going to use
is they're going to be drawn to you and vice
versa. So I love that. I love that. Just be you
and all that stuff. And it will come. It will
come. I mean, it's like, you know, Noah build
it and they will come. And I truly believe I'm
like, okay, I'm building like, okay, what's next?
You know, and I'm just trusting that people will
walk through the door and want what, what we've
got to offer. You have something great to offer
from, I mean, just, I know one of my dreams is
to finally have an actual studio and actually
have people in the studio so we can. have a one
-on -one. So that's what we're working towards.
And hopefully that will come and we're working
towards it. And I'll definitely have to have
you come through and be a one -on -one like that
for sure. Because I love what you're sharing.
I wanted to, here's the word. I want to just,
can you share some insights from, what is it?
Enthio generated. And what does that mean? Let's
start with it. What does that mean? When I get
super big, my manifestation is to make the word
entheogen a thing. So I love it because psychedelics
is a great word, but it really references the
psyche. Psychedelics is speaking to the expansion
of the psyche. That's the etymology. But entheogen
means entheogen. And it means the God within,
generated by the God within, yeah. And then I
made up the word entheogenerated. That was my
own creation. But entheogen is another name for
psychedelics. And I personally believe it's a
more accurate word because it describes the spiritual
element of awakening the God within you. I love
that. So how do you define embodiment? Yeah,
I can't wait to come back and be in your studio
because I just want you to keep asking me questions
forever. I'm like, is this recorded? Yes, it
is. The definition of embodiment is really to
bring a thing, whatever it is, right, into the
physical body so that it is so integrated within
you that there no longer feels like a separation.
Yeah, that it is one with your physical being.
And one of the reasons we use embodied in House
of Embodied Metamorphosis and I consider myself
an embodied consciousness guide is because I
believe that the process of embodying your spirit
Is that journey of bringing the spirit and the
soul and the soul actually lives around the body
in the energetic layer kind of looks like a human
shape But it is to fit it. You know, it's a lot
of us are walking around with like one leg out
of our jeans Visually, I caught that. And we're
like dragging a pant leg around with us, right?
This soul that we're not fully embodying. It's
not it doesn't really fit. It actually does fit,
but we are not. But we haven't put it on the
proper way. And so it's causing us to stutter
step and to not be fully connected to our power.
And I often say it's like if you've seen Iron
Man, it's like putting the Iron Man suit on,
but then you don't have the helmet on. Or you
put your arms halfway down into the sleeves and
you can't actually use the full power of the
Iron Man suit until you put the entire thing
on and you fit it exactly to your body. That
is embodiment. Because once you embody the fullness
of your soul around you and within you and you
anchor it in, it becomes you and you become it.
It becomes you, you become it. One more question.
I have a thousand. I know you have a baby, so
let me just keep looking. Keep going. Grandpa
is loving my baby right now. One of the things
I'm starting to work on is breath work. Does
breath work play into what we're talking about
now? Because I know, I mean, it's new to it.
You know, I do the breath work and it really
helps me start my day. I have a little thing
that I do in the morning after I run and breath
work is a part of it. And it puts me on just
on a whole different level, like mentally. And
I just try to carry that with me throughout,
throughout the day. Cause in your meditation
and things like that, what you do on your retreats,
breath work, something that is, is, you know,
beneficial. And what practices can people do
right now? I think this is a great question to
ask after the embodiment question, because the
question is like, you know, I gave you a sort
of esoteric answer. This is what it looks like
and feels like. But what is the actual felt experience
of embodiment in our world and in our life? Right.
And I think breath work is a breath is The connection
to the divine in such a powerful way So the answer
is yes It is it is the key to the divine and
it is I mean there's so much especially in Hindu
beliefs around the power of the breath that we
are able to interact With the divine energy around
us the oneness around us through our breath So
I'm an incredibly fierce believer in using the
power of the breath to embody your own godliness
and also to just quite simply clear your mind,
achieve altered states of consciousness, to connect
more to your own body and to feel more parts
of yourself. The cool thing about breath work
is it's so varied. It's kind of like, I just
had this funny like analogy. It's like eggs,
eggs. You can do everything with eggs. You can
like, you can make a meringue with eggs. Wild.
You can, you know, you can make like a like custard.
You can make an actual egg and make it scrambled.
It is so, it's such a varied tool for then. Consuming
breath work is a bit like that It's the eggs
of altered states of consciousness you can take
it anywhere because you can you could do a soft
breath that is quite simple and just focusing
on like a gentle exhale and that alone is going
to bring you into a state of calmness and serenity
or You can go all the way up to the other end
and you can do like a breath of fire through
Kundalini. And you can have a full on Kundalini
awakening, right? And you can also sit in holotropic
breath work and go through or rebirthing breath
work and experience memories of your own birth.
I mean, wild, wild. So I would say I actually
originally, I'm glad you asked because I originally
wanted to include breath work as one of the methods
in my research. I wanted to discuss altered states
of consciousness kind of in general and speak
to breath work, meditation and working with plant
medicines because all three of those bring you
to an altered state of consciousness that gets
you out of your default mode network of your
brain and helps you connect more with who you
are. And I didn't want to write that much. So
I stuck with plant medicine. Be honest. Let's
be honest. It would have been really long. That
would have been a very long thesis. But I do
deeply believe in the power of the breath. And
I would highly encourage you and everyone who's
listening to include breath work in your daily
practice. Please, please, please. Because that
was the single most effective tool for me in
my spiritual awakening. I love that. Yeah. What's
your mission? And let's start with it. What's
your mission? I'll give you both my personal
mission and metamorphosis mission. My personal
mission came through when I was very young. and
it's to create positive social change. That's
my purpose and my mission in this lifetime, to
create positive social change. It seems very
vague, but it gives me a lot of room to move
and shift in how that changed, right? But what
is positive in this time is... typically healing,
some version of healing. We needed a lot of digging
through the shadow and excavating the shadow
to bring it into the light. And at Metamorphosis,
our mission is to create transformative experiences
for a thousand community members in the next
three years. And that involves virtual programs,
our retreats. We have a festival that we do every
year or every two years. And we're doing it again
this year called MetaFest. And as well as we
even have master classes and kind of one -off
experiences that people can come to. But the
trend to me right now, the most important thing
that people need to learn is how to change. It's
not even where was the change taking you? It
doesn't actually matter. What matters is that
you have the ability to change and evolve and
flex. because we are living in a time of great
expansion, a very unique and special time. And
the more rigid and tight you are in your system,
the harder it is for you to ascend in the natural
way. That's good. Good thing it's recorded. Right.
Oh, trust me, we when we go through and edit
and look at a minute, I get to see this like
two or three times. And so it's always encouraging
when I have these kind of conversations. Because
I'm highly spiritual. I do practice Buddhism,
but I highly spiritual. And when I get to hear
these conversations, like it's it's a lot, right.
And so I have to go back and I get to go back
back and listen. to what was said and get to
share this kind of knowledge and insight with
people who are listening. And I think this is
just amazing. But I would definitely, definitely
have to have you back so we can go to another
level for sure. But how do people get in touch
with you? Well, please come check out our website.
We are also, over the next couple of months,
we are putting the call out for our initiation
program. This will be the second cohort called
Emergence for new facilitators, people who would
like to facilitate and serve plant medicines
and also your own unique version of medicine.
They can visit our website, which is metamorphosis
.ventures. And then you can also find us on Instagram
at embodied metamorphosis. You can also find
me at Susanna roses on Instagram. I'm there.
I'm posting a lot and just generally sending
support during this crazy, crazy time in which
we are all experiencing some massive shifts in
our world. For sure. Well, I'll definitely be
following you. I'll put all that stuff in our
description. But to wrap up, what story or what
piece of advice or what is something that you
want to share with someone listening to the podcast?
I've been going through a really big Recalibration
I mentioned the initiation of motherhood has
been huge for me. I was not expecting to be a
mother and When I chose to keep this baby and
allow him to come all the way through me into
the world made a lot of people mad and I had
to remind myself over and over and over again.
I'm not crazy That my intuition I can trust myself
I can trust myself. I can trust myself. And so
what I say to any of your listeners right now
who are interested in this kind of thing, who
are feeling the awakening, but you're just not
quite sure. Maybe you're on a path and you're
stutter stepping. You're just a little nervous,
right? You are not crazy. You are perfectly sane.
You know exactly what you're feeling and you
can trust yourself. Susanna Rose Stokes. I appreciate
your energy, I appreciate your insight, I appreciate
your words and however you're recalibrating,
it's beautiful and it's shining and I do appreciate
you. And as we always say around this time, to
all you listeners, make thriving your new normal.
Susanna, thank you again. It's a pleasure. Thank
you, thank you, thank you.