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Hi, I'm Kili. Hi, I'm Kili. Hi, I'm Kili. I'm

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from India and I love watching films and yeah,

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I love films. Why does this intro get harder

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every time? We had stuff in the beginning. Let's

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try again, let's try again. Welcome to Fear of

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Stars, Desi Films Decoded. The podcast where

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four friends from different backgrounds unlock

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the world of Desi cinema. I'm Winnie, the Desi

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who's never been to India. Hi, I'm Killy. I'm

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from India. I love watching films and I love

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watching films on my mobile phone. I'm Nicky.

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I'm from Thailand and I love watching films from

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the TV. Hi, I'm Adam. I'm from America and I

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like watching films at the drive -in how it should

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be seen. In a car. We watched a call classic.

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It's a con. Gone. Gone. You had a whole week

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to learn how to pronounce this. I think it's

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we should explain like how the sausage is made

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for this because it's very funny how we kind

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of like walked backwards into the call classic.

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Right? Because like we were just like picking

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like we were picking the next movie and we didn't

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want to spend a lot of time on it because like

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we you know these movies are two to three hours

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long. So we're looking for movies that were like

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an hour and a half. So wouldn't take too long.

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And we like we're searching and searching and

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found this one. And it's like, yeah, like 30

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or 90 minutes psychological thriller 1999. You

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knew the director before. Yeah. So it's made

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by, directed by Ramgopal Varma and like script

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written by Anurag Kashyap. So both big names.

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So, and around that time, Ramgopal Varma was

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making like amazing films. Satya was one of them,

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came out in 1998. It was like a really cult classic.

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acclaimed, critically acclaimed and was a massive

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hit. So I thought like this film would be a really

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nice one. And then Anurag Kashyap also has a

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very good way of writing thrillers. And Ramgopal

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Varma is also known for that. So I was like,

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oh, it's a nice combination. So it should be,

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it would be an amazing film. Yeah. So we were

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like, sure, let's just go for it. It's 90 minutes

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easy. We cannot watch it. And then And then I

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was really worried because we were trying to

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find how to watch it. And we watch everything

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very illegally here. And it wasn't on any streaming

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service. I wasn't able to find it even on Usenet.

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I have access to every movie if I want. I could

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not find this. I couldn't find it with subtitles.

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And then I was worried, no one's going to be

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able to watch this. No one's heard of this movie.

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No one's going to be able to watch this if we're

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talking about it. Should we change movies? I'm

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like, no, it's too late. Let's just keep going.

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So we watched a copy on YouTube, which we will

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put the link in the description because there

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is no other way to watch this film. So we watched

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on YouTube and we saw it and then we're like,

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that's interesting. And then we looked it up

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and then I was like ranked as like one of the,

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you know, the top psychological thrillers from

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India. Right. Like a huge cult classic. Everyone

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really loves it. And we kind of discovered on

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accident. But that's kind of the joy of it. And

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it made me like, oh, cool. Gen Z knows about

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this. Other people know about this. We can talk

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about it. But it is weird because consensus around

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it was very different from when we first watched

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it. So I don't know how to approach this. Yeah.

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I think we didn't actually really like it when

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we started watching it. We were making fun of

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everything that was happening in the movie. Like

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we were just we wouldn't shut our shut our mouths

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up. It might have heard that we were all watching

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it together. It was me, Killy and Nicky watching

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it together and we were like enjoying it. But

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it was and but it's not just that like I do agree

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with all the reviews after reading it and stuff.

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Yeah. So I actually so one one of the things

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that I noticed. About myself after we watched

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the movies that I actually went I went home and

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then like I Started like looking up things about

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what makes it so good So when we when we when

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we see the movie as cult classic we think that

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oh, it's gonna be a masterpiece But then I think

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that it's a cult classic for other reasons Just

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like the way like I don't know the best way to

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explain it is like the movie is like done in

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a on a low budget We read that the movie is done

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in like 15 days. There's a lot of like uh film

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techniques that the director utilized like the

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filmographer utilized and then there's like the

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whole single setting thing uh everything is done

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in one setting everything usually there's like

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long ass uh takes uh and you know i think that

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there's like the whole cheesy like there's like

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a b -movie -esque vibe from the movie which i

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think some people would kind of dig and i think

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i think after like after we watched it we kind

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I guess, for all of us, we understand why it's

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an interesting piece of cinema, pretty much.

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But like I was saying, when I went back home,

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I realized I was gushing about it to my brother,

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to my partner, and I realized that, oh, I was

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making fun of the movie in the beginning, but

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if I'm talking about it all this much, then that

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probably means that I did like the movie. It

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left an impact. It did leave an impact, yeah.

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It left a huge impact. It was interesting. And

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I think for the time period, 1999, it's spot

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on in the psychological thriller part. It is

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on par with what else was going on. And I should

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say, we're going to spoil this movie. OK, but

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maybe we should just put a spoiler tag somewhere.

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I'm going to say it. I'm saying it right now.

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These are the spoiler tags. This movie has a

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twist. Most people have seen this movie. The

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twist is pretty famous. The movie is very old.

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It's 1999. If you're like afraid of any of that,

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yeah, go watch on YouTube with the link and come

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back and listen to it. Otherwise, yeah, we will

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spoil this because the twist, you can't talk

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about this movie without talking about the twist.

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So we're just going to go forward with that.

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So I had a very different viewing experience

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because I didn't make it to your watch party,

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Adam. So I just watched a movie like right before

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recording this podcast on 1 .5x speed. And I

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can't believe I did that. It's the first time

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I ever did that. So right after the filming,

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Nikki told me to watch it on 2x speed. He said

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it was good, but watch it on double speed. And

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I didn't think I would actually do that, but

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that was the only way I could watch the movie

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before we actually recorded this podcast. And

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I enjoyed it, but... I'm waiting for fans to

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completely tear you apart. I was, I'm, you're

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very brave for saying this and I wasn't going

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to bring it up. But people are going to be so

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mad that you saw this in 1 .5. Well, it definitely

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impacted the experience because I could tell

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that it was not as suspenseful for sure. It was

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a bit more humorous just watching them speak

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in like squeaky voices really quickly. Yeah.

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But I think like, it's not scary when it sounds

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like Alvin and the chipmunks. Like, yeah, no

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shit. I think it's more interesting to watch

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in that speed though. I mean, it's all the good

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things. It's all the good things. One of the

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things like while watching the film, I was telling

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that it feels like it's a very well made student

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film. And then it's like a script for like a

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half an hour to 45 minutes movie. And then someone

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dared the director, like you cannot make like

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this film. for a feature length and then it was

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like a dare thing and it was like for me this

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film would have been a really solid tight film

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if it was like around 30 to 45 minute film then

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it would have been like with all these twists

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all the build up of the suspense and everything

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it would have been really like I would have liked

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it a lot because I really felt it stretched a

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lot uh repetition of things a lot Yeah, that's

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how long it took me to watch it, 30 -45 minutes.

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I think that's what made it such a perfect viewing

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experience. So everyone that I talked to agreed

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that the movie could be a little shorter. Which

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is funny because I don't think it can physically

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be shorter as an Indian film. Like an hour and

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a half is like literally like we could not find

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a shorter film that is like... It's got to be

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like a record and it's way too long. And that's

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the entire basis for why we chose this film.

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We chose it because it was short and it was too

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long. It did feel too long. Even at 90 minutes,

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it was way too long. Like whether or not you,

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whoever's listening to this, whether or not you

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agree, like there's just a lot of scenes where

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it dragged on a little too long. I'm very worried.

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I feel like this movie we're going to get like

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dragged over the coals for. No, but for real,

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like... If you want to release a film, you cannot

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make a film like 45 minutes. Like if you're making

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a 45 minutes film, it has to be an anthology

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film and you have to put two films together,

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which often directors do. Like they release two

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films together as anthology. Because if you're

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releasing on some big screen, you need that timing.

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You cannot release a 45 minutes. And then in

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1999, there is no streaming service. There is

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no YouTube or nothing. No other distribution

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service. So large short film concept. was not

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there. It's only short films and long film. You

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have to make it at least 90. So they had to pad

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it out. They had to hit 90. They even have an

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intermission. For a 90 -minute film, they have

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an intermission. Like they try as best they can

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to be like a big proper film and it's too long.

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Yeah. Should we talk about the plot and just

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kind of go over it and then we could go into

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it just to get it out of the way? Yeah, uh, it

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just begins in like this so like the whole movie

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takes place in this like big I don't I don't

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know if you guys want to say mansion. It's a

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huge mansion It's like a mansion like it's like

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it's like you the whole movie takes place in

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this mansion There's like a big living room.

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There's like a like a spiral staircase that leads

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up to some sort of like attic attic Room, I don't

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know. Are you trying to pronounce attic correctly?

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Attic. Attic. Attic, yeah. What do you mean for

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correctly? Well, no, because he keeps saying

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it slowly. Attic. Attic, because it's the Brit

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way. I don't think it's an attic room. I think

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it's just the first floor. No, it's the attic.

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Like the upstairs, where she hides in the end.

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That's the attic. That's the attic. There's also

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a kitchen and then like you have like this kitchen

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has like a lot of windows. Yeah. So basically,

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yeah, this is a really important plot point.

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Anyway, there's like a there's a lot of statues

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as well And I guess one one of the things that

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the movie does is like you get a lot of these

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zoom -up shots of like Horses and and and and

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like conquistadors. Yeah, it's like an old European

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style mansion and it's a there's horse motifs

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everywhere Yeah. Yeah, so many horses. Yeah,

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and also there were like some artifacts or like

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a I think replica of artifacts from Indian caves

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and like old temples and stuff like that. But

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yeah, but they don't play any role in the plot.

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But it is just... Wait, I didn't even notice

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that. You mean like taxidermy or like... No,

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no, no. There's like wooden horse heads everywhere.

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Oh, okay. Those are the kind of details you miss

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watching on 1 .5. I mean, they're... They're

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showing it for 10 minutes at a time. And so if

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you only have five minutes to look at the scene,

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it's hard to notice the big horse in focus, but

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I understand. It's like all the shots, like there's

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something on the foreground. Okay. So I can understand

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the cinematographer is doing something like putting

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the character in between objects that she's trapped

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kind of. framing and stuff like that. And all,

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most of the time, the foreground object is a

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horse, like a face of a horse. It's always a

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horse, but it's like horses on the staircase,

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horse paintings, wood horse, things like everywhere.

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And it's not really explained and there's no

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symbolism to it. I think there's just horses

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in the mansion and he kept like cutting to it.

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And I want to say when he did, you know, with

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the 1 .5, first of all, I'm afraid you're going

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to use this for everything now. And you unlock

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like a secret code like Killy did. Yeah, so you

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have this big mansion and then there's a woman

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that's living in it. It starts off with her being

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on the phone talking about when are her parents

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coming back because I guess she's getting scared

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from the thunderstorm, the big ass rain that's

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happening outside. And then she basically catches

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the news on the TV that there's a serial killer

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out there. A serial killer that seems to have

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modus operandi. Die. Die. Die. Die. Die. Die.

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Die. Die. Die. Die. Die. Die. Die. Die. Die.

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Die. Die. Die. Die. Die. Die. Die. walking around

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the house, checking out corners and under the

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bed and behind curtains and all that, just to

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make sure there's... There isn't anyone lingering.

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Which like if you see on the news that there's

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a murder and you're like looking under the bed,

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I don't know why. I don't know why you would

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think the murderers inside the house with you.

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Then you should probably just run out, right?

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But there's nothing to indicate that they're

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in the house. She's watching the news and they're

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like, there is a murderer. She's like, it must

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be in my house. But why? Yeah. So I can explain

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like why that kind of makes sense because like

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when I was growing up, like. You know, burglary

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and breaking in someone's houses like silently,

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like not letting people know and like silently

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coming on the top floor or something and then

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doing some robbery or stealing stuff was very

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common. Like we had like a three -floored house

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and we had like break -in two, three times when

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I was a kid at the middle of the night. Yeah,

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we had break -ins like the thief would come and

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like steal things. uh so that happened so wait

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what did they steal like so we had like uh temple

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kind of thing on our third floor and then they

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break in broke in and then they took uh all the

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like utensils like it was like brass utensils

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like in the third floor yeah they got all the

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way to the third floor no no they they come from

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like the roof like that's horrifying it's like

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santa coming down the chimney yeah so bad santa

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yeah gremlin yeah so so that that happened uh

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three times and then that's crazy yeah and then

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they they would do steal from the window and

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stuff. But that's not a break -in, but there

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are break -in like two times. So sorry. So, while

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I was growing up, so if the house is empty or

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like no one is there or it's like a middle of

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the night, I'm just going out to the washroom.

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If I hear some noise on the top floor, I would

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be like very cautious and I like... tiptoe and

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go check like it's like all the locks are intact

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and stuff like that I don't know what I was thinking

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was I was a kid like if someone actually broke

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it like I would be I wouldn't be safe but I would

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still like go and check I would be horrified

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yeah so so that that that fear part I could understand

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like you know that happens I just watch a lot

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of Home Alone and learn all the tricks on how

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to get back at thieves Yeah, I mean they give

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you the instructions right there. Did you not

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watch Home Alone? I watched Home Alone as a kid.

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And you didn't like light the doorknobs on fire

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and have a bowling ball hit some guy in the head?

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I didn't have that much of supply in my place.

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Not that many toys and guns and like all this.

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They had a nice toy gun. I was always eyeing

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for that. Yeah, and then all this bowling ball

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and I didn't have that many supplies. So I was

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falling short. I'd be very afraid if I watched

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this movie while living in that kind of... environment

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where like it's very feasible for breaking to

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happen and watch this movie. I would yeah and

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literally we see the attic room had the door

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open like she goes at one point and closes the

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door right so that's like a perfect recipe for

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someone to breaking from the rooftop yeah okay

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so she has very legit fears and checks under

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her bed for the killer she hears on tv very legit

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fears and then And then eventually, she goes

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to the kitchen, tries to cut a piece of toast.

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Because she's eating salted toast. Salted toast.

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She cuts bread and puts butter on it and eats

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that. I think it's so funny that everyone points

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this out. I guess it's so noticeable. So basically,

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eventually, there's a man that rings the doorbell.

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And it turns out, I don't know how we're going

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to call this character, but I usually call him

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Glasses. Sure, that's fine with me. He's like

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this very erratic man. He looks like he's mentally

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unstable. He keeps pestering her because he's

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here to see Mr. Mahotra. But the woman insists

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that this is Mr. Gupta's house. You know, he

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has his suspicions that it's the right address

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because, you know, he said, why else would Mr.

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Mahoto give this address? And we have this like

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little back and forth, like the next few moments

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in the movie where he's just kind of like going

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up to the doorbell and she's just trying to go

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have her salted toast. And he's just like saying

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like, oh, can I come in? uh, you know, it's raining

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outside and then she tells him to like stay in

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the car and then like he says Oh, why didn't

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I think of that? And then he'll keep he keeps

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coming back and like he said, oh i'm so hungry

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Through the window see this is important the

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the kit the wind the kitchen window He goes in

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and said i'm hungry. So she quickly preps up

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a sandwich a cheese sandwich And now i'll be

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honest like the film buff in me thinks that I

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don't I didn't see a part a point where she put

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in cheese in the sandwich There is no cheese

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and she throws it out the window. You're downplaying

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how annoying this guy is. He's really annoying.

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Yeah I didn't mean to downplay but like he's

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fucking annoying. Like we have this It's like

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a constant back and forth. It's like you just

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have he just keeps coming back again and again

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Yeah, he's the most annoying guy on the planet.

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Like if you can imagine like the most inane like

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pushy Like he's like, why don't you let me in

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keeps knocking keeps calling her ma 'am She's

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watching TV and he's outside and knocks on the

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door and says can you open the curtain? So I

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can watch the TV too and starts like singing

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outside when she doesn't he's just so Incredibly

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off -putting and so incredibly annoying that

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you hate him But he's also that was that's what

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that's what makes it a great character, right?

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I think he's my favorite character in the entire

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movie. Just like the way he talks the way he

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he like It's basically there to let the audience

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think that this guy, something is off with this

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guy. The whole movie is just like, is he the

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killer or not? Which explains the movie, the

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title of the movie is gone, which means who?

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Exactly, yes. So that's where it's coming from.

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And there's even a moment where she watches MTV

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with Ako's Barbie girl. That's right, they do.

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That's the only time it reminds you it's 1999

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and not like a 1976 movie. Watching it. I hope

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Winnie caught that at 2x speed. No, I didn't.

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It's important. I missed all the details apparently.

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When you listen to Aqua at 2x speed, it sounds

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like 1x speed. She has like a normal voice. What

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do you mean Aqua? The band Aqua. Barbie Girl.

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They're playing Barbie girl on the TV. I'm a

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Barbie girl. Like that? No, not played on the

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movie? Yeah, he wanted to watch and then like

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that's when he pestered her through the window

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where he wants to watch some TV. He's like, ma

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'am, ma 'am, that's my favorite alt rock band

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right now. Ma 'am, ma 'am, can you play the music

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video? Ma 'am, ma 'am, he's a bald head. We can

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do a duet. You sing Barbie, I'll be Ken. Ma 'am,

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ma 'am, I'll be Ken, okay? I used to love Aqours.

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Yeah, they're so good. I love it. I love that.

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Okay, I want to say that this guy was played

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by Manoj Bajpai. I mean, he has been a phenomenal

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actor in Bollywood. He has done like really great,

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like portrayed really great characters on screen.

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Like his acting skills are like top notch. I

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mean, I think when the filmmakers were going

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for this film, I heard that this film was done

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like unscripted, right? Yeah. I think when they're

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going for I think he does this thing like to

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make as annoying as possible I think he played

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really well that part and I wanted to kill him

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like get inside the TV and like kill that fucking

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guy like you know like stop that stop that shit

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so if it's unscripted that makes so much sense

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when he talks about how there's an art to making

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a cheese sandwich. I just felt like that line.

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I don't think you can write that on the script.

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You have to just think that on the fly. I don't

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know. Maybe that's how I feel. I think he does

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a lot of tone shifts and sometimes he's very

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scary. And I do believe it. He is very scary

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and he's super annoying when he wants to be.

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Sometimes he's sympathetic. I think he plays

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that well. I do think he played annoying so well

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that I fucking hated him. And again, the movie

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is so long and so much of it is him. like just

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talking and being annoying, that it is very aggravating,

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more than scary. But one thing we can agree on,

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he's like a phenomenal actor. Because like he

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made all of us feel some type of way, right?

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Like he kind of triggered that discomfort. That's

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good acting. My brother messaged me and he said

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like out of all the characters, this guy seems

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to be having a lot of fun. That's what my brother

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said. My brother watched it too? My brother watched

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it. What do you think? He loved it. He loved

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the movie. He liked it. He said that it is the...

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I told him that I think you should watch this

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one because my brother is like a horror buff.

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He has seen almost every single horror movie

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known to man. And I told him maybe you should

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watch this little cult classic of a film. I think

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it's right up your alley. And he watched it last

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night and he told me, yeah, you're right. I did

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like it. Interesting. I will say the makers of

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this film clearly love horror too. And you can

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see a lot of 1970s Italian horror in the motifs

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and the mansion and everything like that. Story

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-wise or cinematography -wise, it's very clearly

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Sam Raimi inspired. There's a ton of evil dead

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shots, a ton of the camera being an apparition

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or a ghost running along. the ground or doing

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all these weird camera movements and Dutch angles.

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It's all ripped from Evil Dead. And then story

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-wise, it's psycho. So they take Italian horror

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with the setting, Sam Raimi cinematography, and

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Alfred Hitchcock plot and put it together in

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1999. And so you get Aqua, Barbie Girl in that

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mix too. And it's kind of interesting. Yeah,

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so this is this man right he like the character

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the glasses is where he's he's like bothering

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her and like he really wants to get in because

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it's so cold, right and then she reasons that

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one of the reasons she said that she can come

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he can come in is because Her husband is sleeping

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upstairs and then like, you know just just to

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get just to ward him off right and then like

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what he did was that he He told her that he saw

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someone move upstairs. So that played into her

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fear of that there is someone in the house, right?

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So she went upstairs and she's terrified that

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there might be somebody. And then she hears this

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crack in the window. So she gets terrified, right?

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And through the fear, she just unlocks the door

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for him to come in so that he could try to protect

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her. And, you know, that's the next level of,

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like, tension in the movie where, like, okay,

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she now brings glasses into the house. That could

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be, like, you know, we still don't know if he's

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the killer or not. And as he's, like, getting

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comfortable in the living room, we hear the news

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report of the serial killer and then, like, he

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kind of, like... It's so funny, like, he kind

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of, like... Tells her like you you must think

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I'm the killer, you know And it plays into that

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fear and like all the while for us off the audience

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We keep we keep wondering like is it really him?

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Well, and also he immediately tells her right

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when he gets in he's like, I'm the one that threw

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the rock Oh, yeah, he did admit that afterwards

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right away. She lets him in he's like, oh, by

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the way I threw the rock and I didn't actually

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see someone And I just want to get in and he

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just tells her right away once he's inside. And

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so then you are freaked out because he's like,

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he's like, I know you didn't have a husband.

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I made the noise. You let me in. Ha ha. And you're

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like, this guy's a fucking psycho. And he goes

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and like takes that spear kind of thing from

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the statue. There's a there's a nice statue with

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like a like an axe. Right. And he can pull it

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out and it has like a spear tip for murder. And

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for some reason, he thinks it's a good idea to

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like pull it out and play around with it with

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a crying woman alone in her house. And actually

00:25:52.569 --> 00:25:54.849
like after he demands the coffee from her, he

00:25:54.849 --> 00:25:56.549
also goes in the kitchen and like pulls out a

00:25:56.549 --> 00:25:58.349
knife at her, right? So there's also this very

00:25:58.349 --> 00:26:00.329
like intimidating scene where it's like, is he

00:26:00.329 --> 00:26:02.250
going to stab her or not? And right now they

00:26:02.250 --> 00:26:05.109
hear the news. So it's quite, quite understanding

00:26:05.109 --> 00:26:07.130
why she would think that he's a serial killer.

00:26:07.349 --> 00:26:09.369
And the gender politics, thank you for bringing

00:26:09.369 --> 00:26:11.250
up the coffee part. Cause the gender politics

00:26:11.250 --> 00:26:14.930
are crazy. Cause like he has like, he takes advantage

00:26:14.930 --> 00:26:17.509
of her as a woman having empathy. She lets him

00:26:17.509 --> 00:26:19.799
in the house. He immediately like throws his

00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:22.779
jacket on the aquarium, sits down, puts his feet

00:26:22.779 --> 00:26:25.279
up with his shoes on the table and he tells her

00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.799
to go make him coffee. And he broke into her

00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.299
house and is like demanding coffee and stuff.

00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:32.660
He's such a fucking asshole. That's true, because

00:26:32.660 --> 00:26:34.599
like my partner did point that out as well. She

00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:36.740
was telling me like, why is she just following

00:26:36.740 --> 00:26:39.609
everything that. he's asking her to do and then

00:26:39.609 --> 00:26:41.750
I just the only reason I could think of is like

00:26:41.750 --> 00:26:43.630
well you know in horror movies people do dumb

00:26:43.630 --> 00:26:46.190
decisions all the time. But it's gender politics

00:26:46.190 --> 00:26:49.509
like he's being the man and just demanding it

00:26:49.509 --> 00:26:51.710
and she's just acquiescing because it's like

00:26:51.710 --> 00:26:53.650
social norms. Yeah it's also he's like a stranger

00:26:53.650 --> 00:26:55.490
in her house right like you would expect that

00:26:55.490 --> 00:26:57.549
he knows better in order to make her feel safe

00:26:57.549 --> 00:27:00.170
but he still doesn't care taking up as much space

00:27:00.170 --> 00:27:03.150
as he can and he's bigger than her and and makes

00:27:03.150 --> 00:27:05.009
that very well known and when he grabs the spear

00:27:05.009 --> 00:27:06.970
and stuff like he is scary so what's she gonna

00:27:06.970 --> 00:27:10.519
do? He does a lot of sus things, like what Adam

00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:12.720
said. He grabs the spear and then chases her

00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.220
after it and then later says that, oh hang on,

00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:20.079
I'm about to protect us from this man. Or gaslighting

00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:23.400
her through and through. And then there's also

00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.240
a cat in the room, in the house, right? It's

00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.200
little Cherise, this tiny white kitten that the

00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.920
woman is looking after. And then he goes off

00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.880
on a tangent about how he used to have a lover

00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:39.819
that she's like... you know, she's like cowardly

00:27:39.819 --> 00:27:42.279
just like the protagonist like the our main character

00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.559
and then like You'll see him like soft being

00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.299
vulnerable and in the next moment He kicks the

00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:50.640
cat and then says like, you know, I she liked

00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.160
cats too and I hated cats So there's always like

00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.460
this moment where you think that hmm, maybe he's

00:27:55.460 --> 00:27:58.160
like a nice guy then no, he's He's a bit like,

00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.220
he's a bit loose. He's like a bit screwed up

00:28:00.220 --> 00:28:02.700
in the head. He violently kicks the cat. And

00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:04.640
this is, I hate cats and I hate people that own

00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.819
cats. My ex -girlfriend had a cat and she was

00:28:06.819 --> 00:28:08.779
just like, and they, we forgot to mention there's

00:28:08.779 --> 00:28:11.579
this music motif that plays every single time

00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:21.259
anything scary happens. So immediately, boom,

00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.359
plays the music and she's like, oh my God, it's

00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:28.539
the killer. Like he hit my cat. It's basically

00:28:28.539 --> 00:28:31.599
like Hitchcock vibes throughout with that. They

00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.599
literally overdid the music motif. And it was

00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.759
very intimidating for me. Like, why are you playing

00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.839
that? Yeah, that's how we felt too. For me, it

00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.980
was already a very intimidating setting, right?

00:28:44.980 --> 00:28:47.799
Like this empty house, rain happening. You could

00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:50.279
just play with the sound design and not play

00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.019
those loud music. Because the loud music were

00:28:53.019 --> 00:28:56.240
distracting me so much. And actually taking out

00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:00.440
the suspense. from me. I mean, it's a forced

00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.779
suspense with the suspense music. So, it's kind

00:29:02.779 --> 00:29:05.799
of taking that seriousness out of me. And also,

00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:07.859
I was getting irritated. That's a part of the

00:29:07.859 --> 00:29:10.839
script. I was getting irritated like, you have

00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.700
a phone. Why are you not calling the number that

00:29:13.700 --> 00:29:18.079
they're repeatedly telling you on the screen

00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.559
that, oh, call this number. If you see anyone

00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:25.019
suspicious, call this number. Why this girl,

00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.839
lady is not... calling that number. Why do you

00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.160
think, Kili? Yeah, we find out why. Several times

00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:33.819
the news report mentions a number, but then she

00:29:33.819 --> 00:29:36.140
never calls that number, which we'll find out.

00:29:37.220 --> 00:29:39.440
But it's actually good writing. Also, like her

00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.140
phone works, right? Because she's on the phone

00:29:41.140 --> 00:29:44.420
with her family all the time. So, yeah, there's

00:29:44.420 --> 00:29:47.019
the after the back and forth. Eventually, like

00:29:47.019 --> 00:29:50.059
the electricity goes out in the mansion in the

00:29:50.059 --> 00:29:53.990
house and in like. Like our characters are like

00:29:53.990 --> 00:29:56.910
fumbling in the dark and then like through like,

00:29:56.970 --> 00:30:00.490
you know The girl like manages to like light

00:30:00.490 --> 00:30:02.430
up some candles and that's when she discovers

00:30:02.430 --> 00:30:07.269
the the kitty cat You know was it was dead. It's

00:30:07.269 --> 00:30:11.829
like she's killed like sliced Sliced there's

00:30:11.829 --> 00:30:15.650
like a innocent white little cat with his neck

00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.160
cut and blood coming out and she freaks out yeah

00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.400
she freaks out i freaked out because like this

00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.059
this is the moment that i won't i don't like

00:30:23.059 --> 00:30:25.160
the movie anymore but but we have to soldier

00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.579
on so then like we we keep on watching we keep

00:30:28.579 --> 00:30:30.599
watching so she freaks out checking the time

00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.779
like how much how much time is left i thought

00:30:32.779 --> 00:30:36.650
this was 90 minutes So she freaks out, and then

00:30:36.650 --> 00:30:40.289
she accuses Glasses for being the killer. And

00:30:40.289 --> 00:30:42.549
through the panic, she opens the door again,

00:30:42.750 --> 00:30:45.509
and boop, we have a third character. He's like

00:30:45.509 --> 00:30:49.289
this very stoic -looking man who claims that

00:30:49.289 --> 00:30:52.109
he's a police officer, but he doesn't even look

00:30:52.109 --> 00:30:55.250
like a police officer. He brings out a gun, and

00:30:55.250 --> 00:30:58.450
there's this tension where he forces the other

00:30:58.450 --> 00:31:01.549
two characters to sit down. And to prove his

00:31:01.549 --> 00:31:06.990
identity, he uses the phone to call and then

00:31:06.990 --> 00:31:11.730
claims that his name is Inspector Qureshi. And

00:31:11.730 --> 00:31:16.329
then there's this sense of doubt among the characters,

00:31:16.609 --> 00:31:18.950
like Lasses accuses him. How would we know that

00:31:18.950 --> 00:31:23.430
he called the police station? He might have just

00:31:23.430 --> 00:31:25.950
pretended, right? Because the phone is working

00:31:25.950 --> 00:31:32.640
after all. She has a phone, that's for sure.

00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:35.480
I'll say one thing, like the way he was talking.

00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:37.519
She has a phone headset, she's like a fucking

00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.160
operator. The way he was talking, this police

00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.799
guy, like that's not how usually police talks,

00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:47.789
like his language. was very, like, thug -like.

00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:52.210
Okay. Right? Like, the dialect he was using of

00:31:52.210 --> 00:31:54.210
Hindi and everything, it was, like, very thug

00:31:54.210 --> 00:31:56.410
-like. Oh, yeah? Like, it's not how... It's not

00:31:56.410 --> 00:31:58.549
a proper decorum, like, how a police would talk.

00:31:58.750 --> 00:32:00.809
He doesn't act like it. Like, he has a red jacket,

00:32:00.890 --> 00:32:03.930
his chest hair is out, he is drinking visibly

00:32:03.930 --> 00:32:06.349
in front of them with, like, a flask. He has

00:32:06.349 --> 00:32:10.029
nice boots. He has nice boots. He's, like, unshaven.

00:32:10.369 --> 00:32:16.279
He's a mess. Yeah, he's drunk. The glasses guy

00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:18.559
doesn't believe for a second that this is a police

00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.819
officer. So they end up fighting over the gun.

00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:27.240
And throughout the fight, the woman manages to

00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:31.299
get the gun from them. And glasses asks her to

00:32:31.299 --> 00:32:34.259
like, maybe you should call... call the police

00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:37.599
to see if it's really Inspector Qureshi. And

00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.500
because the phone is really working, right, as

00:32:39.500 --> 00:32:42.200
Winnie has mentioned quite a few times. The dial

00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.440
tone is always on. The dial tone is always on,

00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:53.059
so she's... So she calls the police station and

00:32:53.059 --> 00:32:55.380
she actually finds out that there is no Inspector

00:32:55.380 --> 00:32:59.000
Qureshi. So then... you know we find out that

00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.460
okay maybe this guy's lying and everyone's lying

00:33:01.460 --> 00:33:05.019
everyone is lying so then like uh so then like

00:33:05.019 --> 00:33:09.940
the uh the inspector kureshi like manages to

00:33:09.940 --> 00:33:12.599
get the gun back and then he said like you know

00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.309
we might Maybe I don't know he claims that he

00:33:15.309 --> 00:33:17.609
doesn't know anything about this serial killer

00:33:17.609 --> 00:33:20.049
on the loose So he said that maybe glasses is

00:33:20.049 --> 00:33:22.470
the serial killer So then he tells the he tells

00:33:22.470 --> 00:33:25.650
the girl to get some rope Which is like a very

00:33:25.650 --> 00:33:28.210
triggering word for our characters a motif cuts

00:33:28.210 --> 00:33:31.589
in The road that maybe that this is the serial

00:33:31.589 --> 00:33:34.750
killer. So as she runs off to get the rope, right?

00:33:36.150 --> 00:33:40.170
What was it? Glasses manages to like get the

00:33:40.170 --> 00:33:45.240
spear and stabs the guy into the abdomen. While

00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.880
that was happening, the girl managed to walk

00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:49.859
in with some rope. I don't know where she got

00:33:49.859 --> 00:33:54.779
it from. But then she spots him all bloodied

00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:57.900
up with the spear in his hand. She freaks out

00:33:57.900 --> 00:34:04.579
and runs up. And then Glasses manages to say,

00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:06.660
all right, maybe I should get the fuck out of

00:34:06.660 --> 00:34:10.309
here. So maybe I'll call the police. And that's

00:34:10.309 --> 00:34:13.289
when we discover like this major plot twist is

00:34:13.289 --> 00:34:16.269
that, Winnie, I guess you're wrong. The phone

00:34:16.269 --> 00:34:18.550
isn't working. Oh, no. If you watched it once,

00:34:18.630 --> 00:34:21.309
you would have known this. Oh my goodness. Yeah,

00:34:21.329 --> 00:34:23.070
the phone isn't working because like the wire

00:34:23.070 --> 00:34:26.610
was cut. So then like it just dawned on us, the

00:34:26.610 --> 00:34:29.869
audience that like, wait, then if the phone wasn't

00:34:29.869 --> 00:34:31.949
working this whole time, then that means that

00:34:31.949 --> 00:34:34.510
somebody else must be in the house. So then he

00:34:34.510 --> 00:34:36.780
actually goes up into the attic. to confront

00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:39.860
her with the spear in hand. I think he was a

00:34:39.860 --> 00:34:41.119
spear. I don't remember, but he had a weapon

00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.639
in hand. He had the gun in his hand. And he assures

00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.800
her that like, you know, there's someone in the

00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.659
house. I'm going to find out who. But then for

00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:51.380
whatever reason, there's another guy that like

00:34:51.380 --> 00:34:53.340
he hears this doorbell, right? So then he goes

00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:57.480
down to check it out. And then like she actually

00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.480
goes down. The woman follows after she goes down

00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.860
and finds out that like, you know, there was

00:35:02.860 --> 00:35:05.699
another guy that was looking for Mr. Mahotra.

00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:08.300
Which means that things don't add up at this

00:35:08.300 --> 00:35:11.960
point because if that stranger that rang the

00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.599
doorbell said, Mr. Mahotra, then why is the girl

00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.920
telling everyone that this is Mr. Gupta? So then

00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.440
something doesn't add up. Glasses goes upstairs

00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.920
and then manages to find like this long ass carpet,

00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:26.360
like rolled up carpet. And what does he discover?

00:35:27.019 --> 00:35:29.539
But a phone that isn't working. I know it's a

00:35:29.539 --> 00:35:32.789
dead body. A dead body of the dead body of Mr.

00:35:32.909 --> 00:35:35.809
Mahotra. And there's a missing shoe in the whole

00:35:35.809 --> 00:35:37.869
time. I'm kidding. It's from the murder movie.

00:35:39.170 --> 00:35:42.269
We see so many bodies and rolled up carpets.

00:35:43.190 --> 00:35:44.969
It's just like the common way to kill someone

00:35:44.969 --> 00:35:47.670
in these movies, I guess. So then we find out

00:35:47.670 --> 00:35:50.409
that, oh, if Mr. Mahotra is dead, then that means

00:35:50.409 --> 00:35:53.070
and then we have like your typical like, oh,

00:35:53.349 --> 00:35:57.150
the killer's behind me moment. And it's actually

00:35:57.150 --> 00:36:01.260
the woman. The old innocent woman, or not old,

00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:03.599
but the young sweet innocent woman that was loaner

00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.639
house killed the owner. And you see her just

00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.239
kind of like this integrate into this young girl

00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:14.519
kind of vibe where she's like laughing. That's

00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.300
the Evil Dead part too. It's very psycho level.

00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:20.900
Yeah, she's just like she does like this complete

00:36:20.900 --> 00:36:25.380
change of character like psycho childlike behavior.

00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:29.860
So Gaseous puts the two and two together and

00:36:29.860 --> 00:36:33.440
then we find out that she is the killer. So she

00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.300
chases him throughout and then manages to chase

00:36:37.300 --> 00:36:42.320
him outside the roof. Chases him to the roof

00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.780
and then outright kills him there, stabs him

00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:48.079
in the back basically. But then we have this

00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.019
long drawn out moment where he suddenly comes

00:36:51.019 --> 00:36:55.070
back to life and then she manages to... He manages

00:36:55.070 --> 00:36:57.949
to wrestle the knife away from her and starts

00:36:57.949 --> 00:37:01.429
choking her. But before he could do anything

00:37:01.429 --> 00:37:04.769
to her, the fake Inspector Koresh, she comes

00:37:04.769 --> 00:37:08.090
in to stab, stabbing them back with the spear.

00:37:09.190 --> 00:37:11.610
And then making you think, oh great, now he got

00:37:11.610 --> 00:37:14.809
the wrong guy. It gives us a misunderstanding.

00:37:14.969 --> 00:37:18.510
But of course, that guy dies too. She just offs

00:37:18.510 --> 00:37:21.829
him. Yeah, which makes you wonder, earlier...

00:37:22.030 --> 00:37:24.670
She had a gun and was pointing it at both of

00:37:24.670 --> 00:37:28.329
them, and didn't do anything, and then later

00:37:28.329 --> 00:37:31.989
kills them both on the rooftop. She hears the

00:37:31.989 --> 00:37:35.070
doorbell ring, right? Goes downstairs, they ask

00:37:35.070 --> 00:37:38.050
for that owner again, and then all of a sudden

00:37:38.050 --> 00:37:40.409
you see her personality turn, and she stares

00:37:40.409 --> 00:37:43.570
at the camera and gets her weird freakish, like,

00:37:43.570 --> 00:37:46.469
joker -ified look, and then, you know, okay,

00:37:46.469 --> 00:37:48.349
we're gonna do it with the other guests. And

00:37:48.349 --> 00:37:50.769
before that, she actually has another phone call

00:37:50.769 --> 00:37:53.690
with her mom. Right? And that's when she's talking

00:37:53.690 --> 00:37:55.670
on the phone and she puts it down and you see

00:37:55.670 --> 00:37:57.710
the wire has been cut all along. So this woman

00:37:57.710 --> 00:38:00.210
is talking to nobody. She's just batshit crazy.

00:38:00.570 --> 00:38:03.329
Like downright batshit crazy. I think, I think

00:38:03.329 --> 00:38:06.750
like why, so I had a theory that like it kind

00:38:06.750 --> 00:38:10.010
of shows like a kind of a split personality disorder.

00:38:10.690 --> 00:38:13.090
Like she might have like two personalities. Like

00:38:13.090 --> 00:38:15.690
when she's like, I mean, both personalities is

00:38:15.690 --> 00:38:19.750
crazy because even when the quote unquote the

00:38:19.750 --> 00:38:22.409
normal behavior like she's still talking on the

00:38:22.409 --> 00:38:24.449
phone when which is not possible because the

00:38:24.449 --> 00:38:28.510
phone is cut but and that's what that's was the

00:38:28.510 --> 00:38:30.929
character she was in when she had the gun so

00:38:30.929 --> 00:38:35.630
she didn't kill and then it flips later but there

00:38:35.630 --> 00:38:38.230
is no trigger point or anything shown because

00:38:38.230 --> 00:38:40.949
usually like in this kind of storytelling where

00:38:40.949 --> 00:38:42.710
there is a split personality there would be a

00:38:42.710 --> 00:38:45.530
trigger point to change the personality right

00:38:45.530 --> 00:38:48.190
so there was no trigger like it was maybe behind

00:38:48.190 --> 00:38:50.769
the screen like whatever is happening but yeah

00:38:50.769 --> 00:38:54.170
I mean like it kind of gave that vibe but it

00:38:54.170 --> 00:38:56.170
was not explicitly told which I actually kind

00:38:56.170 --> 00:38:59.750
of liked that because we have seen like so many

00:38:59.750 --> 00:39:02.230
film on Bollywood and even in the Hollywood there

00:39:02.230 --> 00:39:04.949
was this film called Split or something like

00:39:04.949 --> 00:39:11.110
that. And it's a very common motif in Bollywood

00:39:11.110 --> 00:39:14.170
films as well, like split personality. And also

00:39:14.170 --> 00:39:16.590
don't forget, this was 1999, so like you got

00:39:16.590 --> 00:39:20.670
12 Monkeys, you got Fight Club, you have like

00:39:20.670 --> 00:39:23.030
the M Night Shyamalan twist at the time, like

00:39:23.030 --> 00:39:26.090
this was... pretty current in the 1990s. Yeah,

00:39:26.230 --> 00:39:28.230
Primal Fear. I love that film. This might be

00:39:28.230 --> 00:39:30.369
most of like when a stranger calls. Do you guys

00:39:30.369 --> 00:39:32.429
watch that? Where they're like, this call is

00:39:32.429 --> 00:39:34.969
coming from inside the house. And that's when

00:39:34.969 --> 00:39:36.670
they realize the killer is actually like, and

00:39:36.670 --> 00:39:38.409
that's a big plot twist as well. And that's kind

00:39:38.409 --> 00:39:40.869
of what we saw here. Yeah. Yeah. It takes like

00:39:40.869 --> 00:39:44.159
the late 90s. psychological split personality

00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.900
like oh it was actually me the whole time or

00:39:46.900 --> 00:39:49.179
like the usual suspects twist at the end like

00:39:49.179 --> 00:39:51.099
they were just obsessed with twists at the time

00:39:51.099 --> 00:39:53.460
so one thing i really liked it i like that keely

00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:55.440
mentioned that the the whole split personality

00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.639
thing is that that's the question that i think

00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:00.920
is worth talking about for by the end of the

00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:02.960
movie is that do the thing that we should be

00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:06.139
asking is so was she really the serial killer

00:40:06.980 --> 00:40:10.239
absolutely we saw her kill two men on the rooftop

00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:12.460
yeah but then like but then the news reports

00:40:12.460 --> 00:40:15.119
say that the modus operandi it did not match

00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.679
anything that she did that that's true there

00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.219
was no ropes there was no rope involved there

00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:24.000
was nothing but still i think the movie like

00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.119
when mr malhotra like showed up dead i think

00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:29.559
the kind of messaging was that she is the killer

00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.500
all along but i don't kill him man She killed

00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:34.280
him, but I don't think she's the serial killer.

00:40:35.420 --> 00:40:37.360
It's not outright explained whether she's the

00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:38.340
serial killer or not. But she definitely does

00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:40.900
this as a hobby, right? Because at the end, another

00:40:40.900 --> 00:40:43.420
man knocks on her door asking for Mr. Mahotra,

00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:46.079
and she's like, my next victim! Go back to the

00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.099
beginning when she sees all the dudes that she

00:40:48.099 --> 00:40:51.840
killed. Before I'm going to get there, if you

00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.559
listen to the news report, they said that...

00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:58.320
the serial killer has a habit of tying victims

00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.500
to the chair, right? And then they also mentioned

00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:03.099
that the victim has a habit of knocking on the

00:41:03.099 --> 00:41:06.219
door and asking to come in, which matches what

00:41:06.219 --> 00:41:08.719
Glasses was doing. So then it makes you question

00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:11.099
whether, you know, was Glasses really the person?

00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.929
We don't know that. Glasses never asked for the

00:41:13.929 --> 00:41:16.409
rope though and somehow she had the rope ready

00:41:16.409 --> 00:41:18.710
when the police officer asked for it. But like

00:41:18.710 --> 00:41:20.150
that's the thing, that's what I like about the

00:41:20.150 --> 00:41:22.590
whole movie. It just makes you question was she

00:41:22.590 --> 00:41:25.409
really the serial killer and like we have nothing

00:41:25.409 --> 00:41:28.090
to go on from. We just have to like fill in the

00:41:28.090 --> 00:41:30.650
blanks and then all that. You think it was a

00:41:30.650 --> 00:41:33.969
killer... in the house that the serial killer

00:41:33.969 --> 00:41:36.510
then came into and then it was serial killer

00:41:36.510 --> 00:41:41.170
versus just normal killer. My brother thought

00:41:41.170 --> 00:41:44.190
about that. He thinks that way. But then my partner

00:41:44.190 --> 00:41:47.030
thinks that there's like what Kaylee said, that

00:41:47.030 --> 00:41:51.630
she's schizophrenic. There's one moment in the

00:41:51.630 --> 00:41:57.230
beginning where she looks down at all the people.

00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.360
she hallucinates that there's like all these

00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:03.820
victims that were looking at her and then like

00:42:03.820 --> 00:42:06.179
I managed to think that like maybe it's like

00:42:06.179 --> 00:42:09.219
you know all the people that she killed but then

00:42:09.219 --> 00:42:11.320
but then you can also think that maybe she's

00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.500
just schizophrenic you know like maybe she was

00:42:13.500 --> 00:42:15.960
dreaming she was yeah I know but like maybe you

00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.380
know yeah yeah could be I mean like I think Nikki

00:42:20.380 --> 00:42:22.219
we had completely different takeaways because

00:42:22.219 --> 00:42:24.139
I had no questions left by the end of the movie

00:42:24.139 --> 00:42:26.590
I was like this woman is the killer Like that

00:42:26.590 --> 00:42:28.269
was a big plot twist for me. It just didn't make

00:42:28.269 --> 00:42:29.969
sense to me why would the news report mention

00:42:29.969 --> 00:42:32.070
all those details and then she just like all

00:42:32.070 --> 00:42:34.050
the people that she's offed like they didn't

00:42:34.050 --> 00:42:37.110
match anything. I mean like I just think that

00:42:37.110 --> 00:42:38.829
like the whole point of the movie is to ask yourself

00:42:38.829 --> 00:42:41.489
was she really the person or not. But she definitely

00:42:41.489 --> 00:42:43.230
is psycho right towards the end of the movie

00:42:43.230 --> 00:42:46.590
we recognize there is like even if she is not

00:42:46.590 --> 00:42:48.730
the serial killer she is still schizophrenic

00:42:48.730 --> 00:42:50.429
right like she's been having phone calls with

00:42:50.429 --> 00:42:53.190
a phone that had the wire cut the entire time

00:42:53.190 --> 00:42:55.960
she's... kind of like going into this childlike

00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:58.539
mode where she laughs and kills people for fun.

00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.519
So... Even if she's not the serial killer, yeah,

00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.119
she killed three people in this movie. She's

00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:06.039
already the serial killer. At least. After acting

00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.139
like she was in complete distress, right? Like

00:43:08.139 --> 00:43:09.940
there is definitely a... She's schizophrenic.

00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.440
She has a split personality regardless, I'd say.

00:43:12.730 --> 00:43:15.829
I think the news reporter is kind of complicit.

00:43:16.170 --> 00:43:18.889
He's giving like wrong information about serial

00:43:18.889 --> 00:43:20.949
killer. I think the news reporter is a serial

00:43:20.949 --> 00:43:23.510
killer and he's tricking everyone and telling

00:43:23.510 --> 00:43:26.030
everyone it's the rope to lure them in, but actually

00:43:26.030 --> 00:43:28.750
like, you know, he's... pulling the strings behind

00:43:28.750 --> 00:43:30.730
the scenes. Or maybe he's like her lover and

00:43:30.730 --> 00:43:32.489
he's like trying to cover her up. That's the

00:43:32.489 --> 00:43:35.030
thing with the movie. It's like, I like the whole,

00:43:35.090 --> 00:43:37.090
the vision is there, right? But like it just,

00:43:37.369 --> 00:43:39.530
there's just so many things that you're left

00:43:39.530 --> 00:43:41.469
wondering. Like so many questions you want to

00:43:41.469 --> 00:43:43.829
ask, but you know, I guess there's never a direct

00:43:43.829 --> 00:43:45.829
answer. I don't want to go, I don't want to like

00:43:45.829 --> 00:43:47.610
conclude the fact that, oh, maybe you interpreted

00:43:47.610 --> 00:43:50.489
your own way, but like I can't deny that I had

00:43:50.489 --> 00:43:52.670
a lot of questions. Yeah, I think that's the

00:43:52.670 --> 00:43:55.309
point. But it also, once you know the twist and

00:43:55.309 --> 00:43:58.880
then you re -watch it, Like none of it makes

00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.739
any sense no like why is she behaving like that

00:44:02.739 --> 00:44:04.920
again? She has a gun on both of them if she wanted

00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:06.679
to kill him she could I mean sure maybe she has

00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.900
a split personality that doesn't kick in right

00:44:08.900 --> 00:44:11.239
away, but then we have to talk about the cat

00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:18.000
because yeah Glasses didn't kill the cat maybe

00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.239
she did but when she lights the candles and sees

00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.280
the cat with the throat slit, she acts surprised.

00:44:25.659 --> 00:44:27.639
So then it goes in the territory that I don't

00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.239
like, which is movies that are playing for the

00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.159
audience and not for the actual characters in

00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:34.460
the movie. Like, did she kill the cat? If she

00:44:34.460 --> 00:44:36.659
did, she wouldn't be shocked. If she's shocked,

00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.880
then like, you know, then she should be shocked.

00:44:39.940 --> 00:44:41.599
But like, if you're doing it for me in the movie,

00:44:41.699 --> 00:44:43.460
then none of this is real because it's all just

00:44:43.460 --> 00:44:46.860
like, you know, performances to manipulate my

00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:49.179
feelings, but not like actually their feelings

00:44:49.179 --> 00:44:51.099
inside the story. That's a very good point. Yeah.

00:44:51.309 --> 00:44:53.449
And that's like the issue I have. It's like,

00:44:53.610 --> 00:44:56.110
okay, that's cool. Those twists are fun. But

00:44:56.110 --> 00:44:58.250
if you go back and watch Fight Club, it all works.

00:44:58.829 --> 00:45:02.449
You know, this one doesn't. Like Mr. Glasses

00:45:02.449 --> 00:45:04.829
shouldn't be behaving like that. She should definitely

00:45:04.829 --> 00:45:07.550
not be behaving like that. I think everything

00:45:07.550 --> 00:45:12.349
was done to shock the audience with the twist.

00:45:12.849 --> 00:45:16.590
Like a twist at the end kind of thing. I remember

00:45:16.590 --> 00:45:19.780
like when I was like a... Like we were in a script

00:45:19.780 --> 00:45:26.260
writing class, like whoever was teaching our

00:45:26.260 --> 00:45:30.179
script writing module, he told us explicitly,

00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.610
whatever you write, don't write. a twist at the

00:45:34.610 --> 00:45:38.550
end, please, for heaven's sake. I will not allow

00:45:38.550 --> 00:45:41.309
it if you write a twist at the end. Do whatever

00:45:41.309 --> 00:45:45.650
else you want. Because I think he recognized

00:45:45.650 --> 00:45:48.429
the fact that this generation of people grew

00:45:48.429 --> 00:45:51.210
up with watching this twist at the end and they're

00:45:51.210 --> 00:45:53.949
kind of hung up to that a lot. And it actually

00:45:53.949 --> 00:46:00.139
kind of... devalues a certain way, like the whole

00:46:00.139 --> 00:46:04.559
seriousness of a film. Like, oh, you just tricked

00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:07.119
me. That's the thing, right? Oh, you just tricked

00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.539
me. I mean, it's shock value. It used to work

00:46:10.539 --> 00:46:12.739
at the beginning when it was a new thing, but

00:46:12.739 --> 00:46:15.639
then it was used and overused and abused so many

00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.619
times. So it kind of became redundant so much.

00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:20.739
The only way it can work is if, yeah, you watch

00:46:20.739 --> 00:46:23.690
it again. And the twist actually helps the second

00:46:23.690 --> 00:46:25.869
viewing, not makes it worse. Those are the good

00:46:25.869 --> 00:46:30.610
movies. If the twist just like reinforces the

00:46:30.610 --> 00:46:33.409
story again, then that's fine. Like that's cool.

00:46:33.730 --> 00:46:35.690
Like Sixth Sense even does that like very well.

00:46:35.909 --> 00:46:37.150
Like, you know, when you watch it again, it doesn't

00:46:37.150 --> 00:46:39.750
ruin the story. But if you get to the end and

00:46:39.750 --> 00:46:41.769
then the twist negates everything you've just

00:46:41.769 --> 00:46:44.929
seen, that's like bad storytelling. And when

00:46:44.929 --> 00:46:47.409
we watched the review or read the reviews, they

00:46:47.409 --> 00:46:48.949
were saying like, oh, the writing is really good.

00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.539
I think what they must be referring to is that

00:46:52.539 --> 00:46:55.719
the structure is interesting, because dialogue

00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.139
is not the same as writing. Wait, but it was

00:46:58.139 --> 00:47:01.099
unscripted? Was it even written? That's my point.

00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:05.639
They literally all improvised it, and I don't

00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.639
think the dialogue is good at all. Like, it's

00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.000
annoying, but it's clearly improv and they're

00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:13.400
clearly padding for time. The dialogue isn't

00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.489
good. Writing... I mean, if you mean like the

00:47:16.489 --> 00:47:19.010
story and the twist, I guess. But the dialogue

00:47:19.010 --> 00:47:22.070
is not good. No, the dialogues were like really...

00:47:22.070 --> 00:47:24.849
It was irritating. Like it was really irritating.

00:47:25.250 --> 00:47:30.110
So it's like, okay, that guy is irritating the

00:47:30.110 --> 00:47:34.989
girl, the lady, right? But as an audience, we

00:47:34.989 --> 00:47:38.150
shouldn't be irritated by the film. Right? Like

00:47:38.150 --> 00:47:39.829
that's the thing. Like, you know, if you want

00:47:39.829 --> 00:47:45.019
to watch... you want to show in a film, boredom,

00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.719
you shouldn't bore the audience. If you want

00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:51.139
to show, like, irritation, you shouldn't irritate

00:47:51.139 --> 00:47:53.559
the audience to the point, like, okay, at this

00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:55.820
point, like, I'm like, okay, kill that guy already.

00:47:55.860 --> 00:47:58.679
Like, you know, like, I would kill that guy.

00:47:59.139 --> 00:48:02.199
Like, what the hell is going on? Like, he's getting

00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:06.940
on my nerves as well. And her behavior at that

00:48:06.940 --> 00:48:10.599
point, because we, at the beginning or at the

00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:13.599
middle, till the twist, Turns out, like we don't

00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.000
know that she's the actual killer, right? And

00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.340
her actions doesn't make any sense, right? Like

00:48:18.340 --> 00:48:21.380
why you are not calling the number, like that's

00:48:21.380 --> 00:48:23.260
the simplest task you can do. Like why you are

00:48:23.260 --> 00:48:26.179
not calling the number, why you are letting him

00:48:26.179 --> 00:48:29.619
do everything he wants to do. And you have a

00:48:29.619 --> 00:48:31.800
working phone, you have like your parents on

00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:34.179
the phone. Oh, at one point she called, like

00:48:34.179 --> 00:48:36.380
she quote unquote calls the parents, right? Like,

00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:38.739
which is like later we can understand it's all

00:48:38.739 --> 00:48:41.969
fake. thing but so that that was the those were

00:48:41.969 --> 00:48:45.670
the things that were like you know like uh kind

00:48:45.670 --> 00:48:49.869
of bothering me about the film as we go on but

00:48:49.869 --> 00:48:53.190
it all explains when we later understands the

00:48:53.190 --> 00:48:56.469
twist but no but it doesn't because her behavior

00:48:56.469 --> 00:48:59.150
doesn't make sense as a victim or as the killer

00:48:59.150 --> 00:49:01.230
yeah i i go with that it doesn't make sense at

00:49:01.230 --> 00:49:03.150
all the more i think about it it just doesn't

00:49:03.150 --> 00:49:06.219
add up like as the killer Okay so maybe you find

00:49:06.219 --> 00:49:07.760
out she's the killer then you can go back and

00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.239
be like oh I get why she didn't call the number

00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:11.320
but you don't get why she didn't just kill the

00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:14.739
guy. Or why she's like running around acting

00:49:14.739 --> 00:49:17.039
like this or being shocked by the dead cat or

00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:19.500
whatever. So like either the victim or the killer

00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:21.699
neither of those behaviors make sense and the

00:49:21.699 --> 00:49:24.739
twist doesn't help with that. Unless she's like

00:49:24.739 --> 00:49:27.239
really a psycho and she enjoys the thrill of

00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.880
seeing people freak out and she enjoys that confusion.

00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.760
So the only explanation we thought is like...

00:49:33.250 --> 00:49:36.210
She's just two personalities. One personality

00:49:36.210 --> 00:49:38.250
doesn't know what's going on with the other.

00:49:39.250 --> 00:49:41.949
That's the interesting point. Like if one personality

00:49:41.949 --> 00:49:44.050
doesn't know what the other personality is doing,

00:49:44.550 --> 00:49:47.130
like what I was saying, like maybe she's split

00:49:47.130 --> 00:49:50.409
personality. Then why she's not like… Then she

00:49:50.409 --> 00:49:52.730
should call the police. That's why you're saying

00:49:52.730 --> 00:49:54.469
the behavior is the victim doesn't make sense.

00:49:54.630 --> 00:49:56.869
No, also she seems to have control over her split

00:49:56.869 --> 00:49:58.449
at the end, right? When she gets another knock

00:49:58.449 --> 00:50:00.989
on the door and she's looking at the camera like…

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.679
Round two, here we go again. Like you kind of

00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:06.840
see that she has that control. Kelly's right.

00:50:06.940 --> 00:50:08.960
I mean, this is a student film. This is a guy

00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.260
thinking that they're extra clever. And also

00:50:11.260 --> 00:50:15.940
secretly, or not secretly, but like when you

00:50:15.940 --> 00:50:19.219
look at the themes of this movie, it is very

00:50:19.219 --> 00:50:21.000
much like, yeah, women are bitches, right? Like

00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.469
they're the actual liars, right? Like all these

00:50:23.469 --> 00:50:26.510
guys that look like they're murderers and the

00:50:26.510 --> 00:50:28.769
thieves. Like actually the woman was the one

00:50:28.769 --> 00:50:30.590
lying the whole time and she's crazy. And these

00:50:30.590 --> 00:50:34.090
guys are totally fine fitting for 1999. Yeah.

00:50:34.210 --> 00:50:36.130
Yeah. Like this guy's super annoying, but it's

00:50:36.130 --> 00:50:38.909
like actually he's good. And this thief, like

00:50:38.909 --> 00:50:41.570
actually he's good too. It's bitches be crazy.

00:50:41.690 --> 00:50:46.619
Am I right? That's a little weird. Given the

00:50:46.619 --> 00:50:52.960
fan base of the writer and the director, I would

00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.940
say there are a lot of edgelords side of their

00:50:56.940 --> 00:51:02.019
filmmaking. Anurag Kashyap's fan base is... It

00:51:02.019 --> 00:51:04.300
has a huge Edgelord fan base. When you were saying

00:51:04.300 --> 00:51:06.099
Edgelord and Nicky was saying Edgelord, that's

00:51:06.099 --> 00:51:08.079
when I put it together. It was like, yeah, the

00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:10.980
end is just about how the woman is lying, even

00:51:10.980 --> 00:51:13.300
though she's like in a victim status the entire

00:51:13.300 --> 00:51:15.699
time. And if you kind of zoom back, that's kind

00:51:15.699 --> 00:51:18.000
of really fucked up. So, Kili, I know that you've

00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.780
watched other movies from this director. Does

00:51:19.780 --> 00:51:21.940
it seem to have a commonality or a common theme

00:51:21.940 --> 00:51:24.300
throughout his other movies? Of women be beaches?

00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:26.440
No, no, no, no, no. This is kind of like plot

00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:29.820
twist, maybe. No, plot twist kind of. I think

00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:34.250
people kind of... He kind of grows out of it.

00:51:34.469 --> 00:51:39.250
Like they all grow. Because the director, I mean,

00:51:39.469 --> 00:51:42.289
I know him for making gangster films, right?

00:51:42.349 --> 00:51:44.510
Which doesn't have like much plot twist. It's

00:51:44.510 --> 00:51:46.809
like, okay, there are suspents. They don't know

00:51:46.809 --> 00:51:49.429
like who is backstabbing at the end. Like you

00:51:49.429 --> 00:51:51.210
find out who's backstabbing. There are certain

00:51:51.210 --> 00:51:53.570
suspents of that, but it's not twisted at the

00:51:53.570 --> 00:51:56.050
end. It's mostly gang fight, gang wars. Like,

00:51:56.090 --> 00:52:00.230
you know, like who is... like topping whom and

00:52:00.230 --> 00:52:03.309
who is like growing on the gang ladder and that

00:52:03.309 --> 00:52:06.349
kind of competition and like killings and like

00:52:06.349 --> 00:52:09.510
a lot of gore. And also Anurag Kashyap when he

00:52:09.510 --> 00:52:13.150
makes later films like we watched Dave Dee, right?

00:52:13.289 --> 00:52:15.710
Is that from him? Yeah, Dave Dee is Anurag Kashyap's

00:52:15.710 --> 00:52:18.230
direction and writing both. So at this time he

00:52:18.230 --> 00:52:20.670
was writing films for this guy and some maybe

00:52:20.670 --> 00:52:23.130
some other people, but he was a script writer

00:52:23.130 --> 00:52:26.789
or associate script writer. Later, he becomes

00:52:26.789 --> 00:52:30.469
a director as well. So, I mean, I haven't seen

00:52:30.469 --> 00:52:32.969
much of like twist at the end kind of film from

00:52:32.969 --> 00:52:36.510
him after this. But I would say like he had this

00:52:36.510 --> 00:52:40.769
fan base of like engineering student what I'm

00:52:40.769 --> 00:52:42.869
saying like Indians can associate with that.

00:52:43.050 --> 00:52:46.769
I don't think not everyone like international

00:52:46.769 --> 00:52:48.510
people can understand like what I'm saying when

00:52:48.510 --> 00:52:50.090
I'm saying engineering students quote unquote

00:52:50.090 --> 00:52:52.849
but like okay Indian students fan like you know

00:52:52.849 --> 00:52:55.630
like it's similar to like Christopher Nolan fan

00:52:55.630 --> 00:52:59.469
and that kind of thing like oh he's like a like

00:52:59.469 --> 00:53:02.309
he's the best filmmaker ever kind of fan base.

00:53:02.539 --> 00:53:06.960
he kind of got and he was not under any big banner

00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:13.119
of Bollywood film industry but he kind of get

00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:18.260
kept indie films in a certain way but whatever

00:53:18.260 --> 00:53:22.320
like I'm not going in that debacle but yeah he

00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:24.639
has that kind of fan base and that kind of makes

00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:26.980
sense because when we were looking at the reviews

00:53:26.980 --> 00:53:30.980
and everything there's not a single Like there

00:53:30.980 --> 00:53:34.159
was one single bad review on IMDb, but like there's

00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:38.079
rarely any bad review of this film. Like anyone

00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.059
pointing out like why these kind of things are

00:53:41.059 --> 00:53:43.320
happening. Like everyone was like, oh, this is

00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.019
amazing. This is super. This is classic. This

00:53:46.019 --> 00:53:48.860
is there's nothing bad. It's like amazing. It's

00:53:48.860 --> 00:53:50.980
ahead of the time. Well written. I don't know

00:53:50.980 --> 00:53:53.460
how you could call it. You can't call it well

00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:55.659
written. It's literally the cycle of Bollywood,

00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:59.420
isn't it? But in 1999 and not the 60s. I don't

00:53:59.420 --> 00:54:02.480
know. Maybe this is just my biased perspective,

00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:04.900
but I kind of feel like every movie that we looked

00:54:04.900 --> 00:54:07.460
up through IMDb, sometimes I feel like there's

00:54:07.460 --> 00:54:10.539
too many positive reviews. Which is really rare

00:54:10.539 --> 00:54:13.539
because I feel like if anything, IMDb for Hollywood

00:54:13.539 --> 00:54:15.860
is known for being overly negative. Like you

00:54:15.860 --> 00:54:18.429
have to try really hard to get anything. above

00:54:18.429 --> 00:54:21.510
a 6 .5 for Hollywood movies. I mean it's very

00:54:21.510 --> 00:54:24.230
high, but it's not just IMDB. Like it's in lists

00:54:24.230 --> 00:54:26.909
of like the best, some of the best thrillers,

00:54:27.170 --> 00:54:30.730
psychological thrillers. It's editors, film editors

00:54:30.730 --> 00:54:32.929
are also doing this. And people that do complain

00:54:32.929 --> 00:54:37.070
kind of get downvoted a bit. Yes. Like, but I

00:54:37.070 --> 00:54:38.750
understand like maybe it was very important.

00:54:39.170 --> 00:54:41.409
Like I mean look, we'll say like it was filmed

00:54:41.409 --> 00:54:44.250
in 15 days. There's no songs. It was 90 minutes.

00:54:44.650 --> 00:54:48.090
I think maybe... for indie at the time with what

00:54:48.090 --> 00:54:50.989
was going on, like maybe it was very important

00:54:50.989 --> 00:54:54.010
and edgy at the time, but that's okay. Looking

00:54:54.010 --> 00:54:57.090
back, you can still criticize it. I don't think

00:54:57.090 --> 00:54:59.869
it holds up. So a friend of mine from abroad,

00:55:00.510 --> 00:55:03.030
she saw me talked about it on Instagram, and

00:55:03.030 --> 00:55:06.610
then she said to me that it's by no means a cinematic

00:55:06.610 --> 00:55:09.730
masterpiece, but it was really ahead of its time.

00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.099
During that time so kind of paved the way for

00:55:12.099 --> 00:55:15.460
other movies in that genre Yeah, that I can see

00:55:15.460 --> 00:55:17.400
how it kind of gained the recognition of cult

00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:20.119
classic that in that sense. It's fun to watch

00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:23.039
Yeah, it's intense for sure right and it's all

00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.079
in one setting It's all in this mansion which

00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:27.980
kind of adds a layer of fun and interest to it

00:55:27.980 --> 00:55:30.079
Like I think that it's like while the reviews

00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.239
are a little too positive for me. I feel like

00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:35.570
warts and all I actually liked it Like I think

00:55:35.570 --> 00:55:38.929
that overall it was a very enjoyable movie. Even

00:55:38.929 --> 00:55:41.210
though I think there were things that I still

00:55:41.210 --> 00:55:43.389
don't think make any sense and I'm still questioning

00:55:43.389 --> 00:55:46.690
it to this day like okay well. Yeah I kind of

00:55:46.690 --> 00:55:48.650
agree with that. You know I watched it on 1 .5

00:55:48.650 --> 00:55:50.570
speed. I think that might have enhanced the experience.

00:55:50.989 --> 00:55:53.070
I'd watch it at 3 speed. I think it's fine. Yeah

00:55:53.070 --> 00:55:55.949
maybe Adam you can compare it. But I think I

00:55:55.949 --> 00:55:58.230
like movies where it's just kind of like concentrated

00:55:58.230 --> 00:56:00.869
in one setting. It makes it kind of fly by faster

00:56:00.869 --> 00:56:05.289
so. This worked for me, even on 1 .5. Alright,

00:56:05.289 --> 00:56:07.670
Adam, any closing thoughts? No, I think we can

00:56:07.670 --> 00:56:10.849
skip the scale because it doesn't apply. No,

00:56:10.849 --> 00:56:12.829
no, no. We wanted the scale. Oh, really? Well,

00:56:12.829 --> 00:56:15.389
I mean, there's just no... Let's just go over

00:56:15.389 --> 00:56:17.889
it for fun. There's no family fee... Okay, fine.

00:56:17.889 --> 00:56:20.349
You can read it out. Okay. Fierce stair scale.

00:56:21.230 --> 00:56:25.690
There's the stairs, man. Okay. There is the stairs.

00:56:25.869 --> 00:56:28.050
There's a lot of running around. No one fell.

00:56:28.190 --> 00:56:31.929
Nicky, what's the staircase moment? She's the

00:56:31.929 --> 00:56:35.710
killer. Yeah. Phone wire being cut, right? That's

00:56:35.710 --> 00:56:38.989
when it's like dun, dun, dun. I thought the phone

00:56:38.989 --> 00:56:41.309
was working like you said it, Winnie. Coming

00:56:41.309 --> 00:56:44.750
from inside the house. So then that's correct.

00:56:44.849 --> 00:56:46.929
And then the next ones we go down, I don't know,

00:56:47.050 --> 00:56:50.210
man. So dance floor closet. Right? Nothing. Unless

00:56:50.210 --> 00:56:52.849
you call like. crawling down the stairs, a dance

00:56:52.849 --> 00:56:55.369
floor. There's a lot of musical cues, right?

00:56:56.030 --> 00:56:58.530
Like in the Hitchcock fight. There's a lot of

00:56:58.530 --> 00:57:02.329
musical cues. Family feud factor? No. Mama needs

00:57:02.329 --> 00:57:05.730
to come home. It's a fake family. It's an imaginary

00:57:05.730 --> 00:57:08.530
family. She's creating fake drama with her dead

00:57:08.530 --> 00:57:10.889
mom that she's not talking to. The first Bollywood

00:57:10.889 --> 00:57:12.210
film, by the way, that we watched where there

00:57:12.210 --> 00:57:14.750
is actually no family members. There is a mom.

00:57:14.889 --> 00:57:19.110
An imaginary mom. It's true. And no one's playing

00:57:19.110 --> 00:57:21.670
their own dad. So, I mean, it's very, it's very

00:57:21.670 --> 00:57:25.809
off the beat path for us. Regional heat check?

00:57:26.210 --> 00:57:30.530
I don't know. Is it accurate for anything? No,

00:57:30.610 --> 00:57:32.530
I don't think that's how humans behave. I don't

00:57:32.530 --> 00:57:35.340
think it's how like a normal house is. It's one

00:57:35.340 --> 00:57:38.400
house. I don't know if it's a regional representation

00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.780
at all. That's normally what happens when it's

00:57:39.780 --> 00:57:41.739
at one house. So I think it's, I think they nailed

00:57:41.739 --> 00:57:44.300
it. We asked the question is, isn't there anyone

00:57:44.300 --> 00:57:47.699
else around the house? I don't know which city

00:57:47.699 --> 00:57:51.440
was this happening, but I don't know. Like I

00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:53.840
didn't grew up anywhere or I didn't hear anything

00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:58.059
where a thief, like that's third person claims,

00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:02.079
the second guy claims as he was. has this automatic,

00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.960
like, fucking gun, man. Like, I don't know any

00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:08.380
thief had, like, guns. But you know what, Kili?

00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.340
You lived through two robberies, so I'd say there

00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:13.559
is some relevance in the film, at least in the

00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.000
national setting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. True. Okay.

00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:18.539
In terms of the fear at the beginning, yeah.

00:58:18.820 --> 00:58:21.639
Yeah. Alright, so what's our… Moral, moral. There's

00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.150
a moral. Alright, don't let strange… Don't… No,

00:58:24.590 --> 00:58:28.789
women are liars. Do not trust them. Yeah, that's

00:58:28.789 --> 00:58:30.869
the moral of the movie. That's your generalization.

00:58:30.929 --> 00:58:33.070
That's the movie's generalization. I'm not saying

00:58:33.070 --> 00:58:36.449
my opinion. If it was a man killer, it would

00:58:36.449 --> 00:58:38.630
turn out to be glasses, for instance. Your takeaway

00:58:38.630 --> 00:58:42.389
would not be like men are all killers. It would

00:58:42.389 --> 00:58:45.250
be gendered, Adam. I don't know. For me, it's

00:58:45.250 --> 00:58:47.469
like, you know, when you go to a friend's house,

00:58:47.610 --> 00:58:49.510
the first thing you should do is check the phone

00:58:49.510 --> 00:58:51.789
line if it's connected. For me, it's just if

00:58:51.789 --> 00:58:55.010
it's fucking raining, just stay outside. Don't

00:58:55.010 --> 00:58:56.889
try to get shelter in anyone's house because

00:58:56.889 --> 00:59:00.010
you don't know. For me is like don't have a cat

00:59:00.010 --> 00:59:03.309
near me because I will kick it instantly. I fucking

00:59:03.309 --> 00:59:05.829
hate cats and people that own cats. I hear that.

00:59:07.230 --> 00:59:08.929
That's why I don't go to your house, Kylie. I

00:59:08.929 --> 00:59:11.349
think another one I could learn is that there's

00:59:11.349 --> 00:59:14.809
an art to sandwich making. Also like if you have

00:59:14.809 --> 00:59:16.449
a stranger over and they demand coffee, just

00:59:16.449 --> 00:59:18.710
go make him coffee. See we're coming up with

00:59:18.710 --> 00:59:20.809
a lot of girls. I've learned to be a traditional

00:59:20.809 --> 00:59:22.590
woman from this movie. This is so ahead of its

00:59:22.590 --> 00:59:24.809
time. I'm getting really hungry for salted bread

00:59:24.809 --> 00:59:30.369
right now. Alright, so that's it. I mean, it's

00:59:30.369 --> 00:59:33.309
a cult classic. It's fun. What's the next movie?

00:59:33.889 --> 00:59:36.650
Life is a box of chocolates. Never know what

00:59:36.650 --> 00:59:39.909
you're gonna get. Yeah, it becomes Golgappa.

00:59:40.730 --> 00:59:45.929
Life is like a box of Golgappa. Life is like

00:59:45.929 --> 00:59:48.409
Pani Puri or Golgappa. That's what he says. It

00:59:48.409 --> 00:59:50.969
always squirts in your mouth. What's the name

00:59:50.969 --> 00:59:56.030
of the movie? Lao Singh Chadda, aka Forrest Gump

00:59:56.030 --> 00:59:58.789
of Bollywood. We're gonna meet an old friend,

01:00:00.309 --> 01:00:02.929
the very abnormal Amir Khan. Yeah, it's been

01:00:02.929 --> 01:00:04.829
a while since we've seen Amir Khan's eyebrows

01:00:04.829 --> 01:00:07.650
raised, so we need to go back to that well. Yeah,

01:00:07.690 --> 01:00:10.710
we missed that after all this whole movie. Yeah,

01:00:10.909 --> 01:00:13.349
well, listen to our, like after listening to

01:00:13.349 --> 01:00:15.530
our podcast, go watch the film and then come

01:00:15.530 --> 01:00:17.969
back and then comment and tell us like what we,

01:00:18.110 --> 01:00:21.829
our take was like good enough or like we We screwed

01:00:21.829 --> 01:00:24.889
up at some point. Yeah. Your your feedback is

01:00:24.889 --> 01:00:27.289
really helpful, guys. Yeah. Let us know if you

01:00:27.289 --> 01:00:31.769
like the film. I think I do better like ending

01:00:31.769 --> 01:00:35.489
than like introduction. Bye bye bye.