1 00:00:02,379 --> 00:00:02,980 Adam: No, I know. 2 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:03,760 Adam: Don't tap it. 3 00:00:03,900 --> 00:00:04,240 Adam: Just talk. 4 00:00:06,020 --> 00:00:06,680 Winnie: You have to say 5 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,000 Adam: tingling. 6 00:00:09,260 --> 00:00:09,740 Adam: Talk louder. 7 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:10,720 Winnie: Tingling. 8 00:00:10,900 --> 00:00:11,000 Winnie: Tingling. 9 00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:12,620 Adam: Yeah, okay. 10 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,700 Adam: Yeah, you're not going to pop. 11 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:15,360 Khilli: No, no. 12 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:16,700 Khilli: DJ was doing like tingling. 13 00:00:16,980 --> 00:00:17,740 Khilli: Something like that. 14 00:00:17,980 --> 00:00:18,760 Winnie: Is it from the movie? 15 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,599 Khilli: He was doing like when he was drunk in the car. 16 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,400 Winnie: We've all done the tingling-a-ting now, 17 00:00:25,540 --> 00:00:25,720 Khilli: Adam. 18 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,400 Winnie: I think it's your turn to do the tingling-a-ting. 19 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:30,680 Adam: If I do that, I get cancelled. 20 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:31,420 Adam: I can't. 21 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:31,960 Adam: I'm not. 22 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,059 Adam: Very good. Very PC. 23 00:00:35,379 --> 00:00:37,059 Adam: See, I passed the test. I did it. 24 00:00:52,460 --> 00:00:58,300 Winnie: Welcome to Fear of Stairs, Desi Films Decoded, the podcast where four friends from different backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema. 25 00:00:58,860 --> 00:01:00,780 Winnie: I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India. 26 00:01:01,620 --> 00:01:05,080 Khilli: Hi, I'm Kili. I'm from India. I'm a very patriotic person. 27 00:01:06,260 --> 00:01:10,560 Nicky: I'm Nikki, who is also a very somewhat nationalistic person. 28 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,060 Nicky: I'm Adam. I'm 29 00:01:12,060 --> 00:01:13,900 Adam: not nationalistic at all. I'm American. 30 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,900 Adam: And today I learned that if... 31 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,940 Adam: white women go around the world 32 00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:20,620 Adam: and tell people about their history, 33 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:22,320 Adam: we won't have any conflicts. 34 00:01:22,710 --> 00:01:24,300 Adam: And I honestly think that we should 35 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,840 Adam: currently have more white women to tell us 36 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:27,820 Adam: what's going on in the world. 37 00:01:28,350 --> 00:01:29,360 Adam: Oh, what movie? 38 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,780 Khilli: Who is the white woman here? 39 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:34,820 Adam: Well, I think that's why we can't ever solve anything 40 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,080 Adam: and why we fight all the time. 41 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:38,400 Adam: If a white woman came down 42 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:41,260 Adam: and gave us a PowerPoint about our podcast, 43 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:43,240 Adam: I think we could actually perform better. 44 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,000 Adam: We could see things that only white women can see. 45 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,940 Winnie: I guess now we're accepting nominations for a white woman to join our podcast. 46 00:01:50,950 --> 00:01:51,420 Winnie: You can put 47 00:01:51,420 --> 00:01:54,360 Adam: white on your face, and I think that'll do it. 48 00:01:54,370 --> 00:01:54,840 Adam: You think so? 49 00:01:55,010 --> 00:01:55,300 Adam: What, Wyatt? 50 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:55,540 Adam: Okay. 51 00:01:55,910 --> 00:01:57,300 Winnie: No, I'll paint my face 52 00:01:57,300 --> 00:01:58,440 Adam: white, and then I'll cry, 53 00:01:58,490 --> 00:01:59,960 Winnie: and then you guys will finally care. 54 00:02:00,380 --> 00:02:00,640 Winnie: Yeah, yeah. 55 00:02:00,860 --> 00:02:01,160 Winnie: Okay. 56 00:02:01,540 --> 00:02:01,660 Winnie: Yes. 57 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,620 Adam: That makes you hot. 58 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,000 Adam: If you have your face covered in whiteout ink and you cry... 59 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:08,640 Adam: A plus. 60 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,039 Adam: I'm not going to participate in this 61 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:11,460 Winnie: discussion. 62 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:15,140 Winnie: Does anyone want to guess the movie we're talking about based on this premise? 63 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,500 Adam: Right, exactly. 64 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:18,180 Adam: No, it's not White Chicks. 65 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:18,500 Adam: Wrong. 66 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:21,220 Winnie: It is... 67 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:22,920 Winnie: Rang de Basanti. 68 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:24,180 Winnie: Rang de 69 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:24,740 Adam: Basanti. 70 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:26,959 Adam: Keely, you chose this for us. 71 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:27,740 Adam: Yes. 72 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:28,160 Adam: Why? 73 00:02:37,870 --> 00:02:37,980 Khilli: Why? 74 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:35,140 Khilli: um this film was like very close to my heart when i was a young kid i was i think i was 15 16 year 75 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:45,760 Khilli: old and so this film had a dose of the dose of freedom movements history from india draws a 76 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Khilli: parallel to the contemporary politics and then like a armed resistance against corrupt politicians 77 00:02:52,420 --> 00:02:54,100 Khilli: and stuff and then being a 78 00:02:54,500 --> 00:03:02,600 Khilli: kid it kind of attracted me a lot and yeah so it was it it's always been uh very like uh very 79 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,880 Khilli: i was i've been always been a fond of this film so i was like yeah why not because we have been 80 00:03:08,060 --> 00:03:14,000 Khilli: watching a few of america's film and all of them were like kind of goofy i guess and 81 00:03:14,020 --> 00:03:17,400 Khilli: So I was like, let's say let's watch one of his films. 82 00:03:17,660 --> 00:03:18,940 Khilli: That's not that much goofy. 83 00:03:19,090 --> 00:03:20,460 Khilli: And it's also as close to. 84 00:03:20,850 --> 00:03:29,580 Khilli: And also like after after the United Health CEOs murder, it kind of dawned on me like why we not review this film. 85 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:29,940 Khilli: Yeah. 86 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,480 Winnie: This film is basically like Luigi of India. 87 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:34,360 Khilli: Yeah, I wish. 88 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:35,140 Adam: Yeah. 89 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:36,260 Adam: Close. 90 00:03:36,860 --> 00:03:41,260 Adam: It doesn't have Amir Khan back in college again, which is where he seems to love being. 91 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,320 Adam: But it was 2006. 92 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:45,820 Adam: I was graduating high school. 93 00:03:47,340 --> 00:03:49,340 Adam: 2008, I remember, is when Obama got elected. 94 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,720 Adam: So this is a very pre-Obama type 95 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,960 Khilli: film, 96 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:55,620 Adam: Western-wise, I think. 97 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:55,840 Adam: Yeah. 98 00:03:58,020 --> 00:04:12,140 Khilli: That film is actually, it talks about that times politics and youth, what they were thinking. And at that point of time, like this millennial youth, like we are millennial, right? So 99 00:04:12,380 --> 00:04:21,580 Khilli: When we were young, we were like this huge, I mean, a big promising youth coming out of like neoliberal India. 100 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,980 Khilli: And they had like a lot of dream in their eyes to change the country and everything. 101 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:31,080 Khilli: So this film kind of felt in that place. 102 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,060 Khilli: And it was very relatable that time. 103 00:04:34,150 --> 00:04:36,060 Khilli: And oh, no, we all had this big dream. 104 00:04:36,090 --> 00:04:39,740 Khilli: And why don't we start a revolution about things and stuff like that? 105 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,340 Khilli: And this film touches... 106 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,199 Khilli: those cords like string like yeah strung those cords so yeah 107 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:47,520 Winnie: this film must have been pretty 108 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:51,460 Winnie: radical and revolutionary for that time because i feel like the vast majority of bollywood films 109 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:57,060 Winnie: we watch is very escapist fantasy like right like you're watching to kind of transport yourself to 110 00:04:57,060 --> 00:05:02,000 Winnie: a better world and this movie really like snaps you back to reality it kind of makes you wake up 111 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,820 Winnie: to what's going on around you the politics and it's almost like a call to action for the youth 112 00:05:11,139 --> 00:05:11,380 Adam: yeah 113 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:12,960 Adam: I do think it's interesting watching this compared to Jawan that came out last year. 114 00:05:13,780 --> 00:05:13,840 Adam: But 115 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:14,820 Winnie: this 116 00:05:14,820 --> 00:05:18,300 Adam: is, again, same for Western people. 117 00:05:18,660 --> 00:05:22,140 Adam: The peak of, oh, we have political agency and maybe we can change things. 118 00:05:23,260 --> 00:05:26,020 Adam: Post-Bush era, around the same time. 119 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,100 Adam: And then fast forward to now and it's like, no, we just need a superhero, I guess. 120 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:31,940 Adam: We're not going to comment. 121 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:34,220 Adam: So it's a great time capsule of 122 00:05:34,220 --> 00:05:34,879 Nicky: the feeling at 123 00:05:34,879 --> 00:05:36,360 Winnie: the time versus now. 124 00:05:37,340 --> 00:05:38,060 Winnie: We are now jaded. 125 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:44,780 Nicky: And I guess we'll find out soon enough that it's a pre-iPhone era. 126 00:05:45,060 --> 00:05:45,280 Nicky: Big 127 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:45,900 Adam: plot point. 128 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,199 Nicky: Honestly, a big reason for our 129 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:51,759 Adam: whole lives right now is it's all pre-iPhone. 130 00:05:52,759 --> 00:05:53,139 Adam: It's true. 131 00:05:53,580 --> 00:05:53,879 Khilli: iPhone came 132 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:54,620 Adam: out in 2006. 133 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,000 Khilli: Oh, so same time. 134 00:05:57,229 --> 00:05:57,400 Khilli: This 135 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:57,819 Winnie: year. 136 00:05:57,970 --> 00:06:00,400 Adam: So everything kind of... 137 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,500 Adam: changes its trajectory after this. 138 00:06:03,180 --> 00:06:05,199 Khilli: It's not that popular in India at that time. 139 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:09,440 Khilli: But the class we are talking about in this film, actually, they will have iPhone. 140 00:06:09,889 --> 00:06:10,080 Khilli: Yeah. 141 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:13,199 Khilli: They're pretty rich people in this film. 142 00:06:14,180 --> 00:06:14,820 Nicky: Let's get into it. 143 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:15,259 Nicky: Yeah. 144 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:22,460 Nicky: So, okay, you know, to sum it up, Randa Basanti is basically, like, it follows this, like, 145 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,539 Nicky: white girl, British film student. 146 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:27,180 Nicky: Sue McKinley 147 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,820 Nicky: she's like a film student right and she has this 148 00:06:29,870 --> 00:06:32,060 Nicky: like diary of her 149 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:33,600 Nicky: grandfather James 150 00:06:33,890 --> 00:06:34,660 Nicky: who was like 151 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,640 Nicky: I think he was like a soldier in the British 152 00:06:37,940 --> 00:06:40,440 Nicky: army serving in like 1930s 153 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:45,680 Nicky: And he basically oversaw the capture of these freedom fighters. 154 00:06:47,020 --> 00:06:55,099 Nicky: It tells the story of five freedom fighters in the Indian Revolution movement, as we'll soon find out. 155 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,379 Nicky: So she was inspired by that story, and she sought to make a... 156 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,900 Nicky: And I say this in quotation marks documentary 157 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:06,320 Adam: for, 158 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:20,980 Nicky: you know, for a film. But then, you know, she, you know, she's throughout the movie, she's in search for these, like people to be, she's in search for like students. She's in search for actors to be in her movie, right? And then she meets like these five guys. 159 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,720 Nicky: uh not the burger five guys uh five i don't know why 160 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:27,160 Winnie: they're also 161 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Nicky: shopping oh 162 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Winnie: my gosh i suddenly 163 00:07:29,220 --> 00:07:33,280 Winnie: have an intense craving for cajun fries and a burger and 164 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,960 Nicky: very expensive burgers so five guys 165 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:41,200 Nicky: and then like you know uh it's like an ensemble cast like she'll meet she meets like five five dudes 166 00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:47,400 Nicky: in India. But before we get before I get into that, so like these freedom fighters, they're 167 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,840 Nicky: I'm going to just read it from the I might I might screw the names up. But like there's 168 00:07:52,260 --> 00:08:03,500 Nicky: Chandra Shikhar Azad, Bhagat Singh, Shivaram Rajguru, Ash Fakula Khan, and Ram Prasad Bismil. 169 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,580 Nicky: How was that, Kili? 170 00:08:05,620 --> 00:08:06,820 Khilli: Kili's laughing in the background. 171 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:08,780 Khilli: No, it was pretty good. 172 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:09,440 Adam: I 173 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,960 Khilli: just laughed at one name. 174 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:12,980 Khilli: How do you say it? 175 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:16,000 Khilli: I think it sounds the same. 176 00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:16,520 Khilli: Oh, okay. 177 00:08:17,780 --> 00:08:19,060 Khilli: The second last 178 00:08:19,060 --> 00:08:19,300 Winnie: one. 179 00:08:20,060 --> 00:08:20,380 Khilli: Aspakula. 180 00:08:22,140 --> 00:08:22,460 Khilli: Aspakula. 181 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:23,540 Khilli: Oh my gosh. 182 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,100 Winnie: Maybe Adam shouldn't even try. 183 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:26,500 Khilli: Is that bad? 184 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,360 Khilli: Nikki did a pretty good job, I'd say. 185 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,580 Khilli: No, Nikki did pretty good. 186 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Khilli: All right, sorry. 187 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:30,980 Khilli: Continue, Nikki. 188 00:08:31,380 --> 00:08:31,820 Khilli: No, no, no. 189 00:08:32,340 --> 00:08:32,960 Adam: It didn't sound bad. 190 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,620 Adam: I can't pronounce McKinley really well. 191 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:36,419 Adam: McKinley, 192 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:37,060 Nicky: you mean? 193 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,120 Nicky: See, Killy can't do that. 194 00:08:38,300 --> 00:08:38,760 Nicky: So, okay. 195 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:39,340 Nicky: What do you mean? 196 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:39,880 Nicky: I mean... 197 00:08:40,620 --> 00:08:42,740 Nicky: Yeah, I don't... 198 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,100 Nicky: So, I'm gonna be bad at these stream fighters. 199 00:08:45,150 --> 00:08:46,620 Nicky: I don't know what they did individually. 200 00:08:48,380 --> 00:08:48,920 Nicky: But, yeah. 201 00:08:49,380 --> 00:08:55,800 Khilli: Yeah, they're part of this armed struggle resistance against British occupation in India. 202 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:10,380 Khilli: Yeah. 203 00:08:56,220 --> 00:08:56,540 Winnie: Yeah, 204 00:08:56,540 --> 00:09:02,160 Khilli: so this guy, Chandrasekhar Azad, he was one of the co-founders of Hindustan Republic 205 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:03,040 Khilli: Association. 206 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,000 Khilli: This was one of the political group that kind of believed in armed struggle against the 207 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:09,480 Khilli: Britishers. 208 00:09:10,100 --> 00:09:13,940 Khilli: And yeah, so they did few, few actions. 209 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,280 Khilli: And then they were like, and Bhagat Singh, who is like one of the... 210 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:26,019 Khilli: biggest martyr like we really respect in India because he was a youth icon. 211 00:09:26,079 --> 00:09:29,540 Khilli: He has been a youth icon, armed revolutionary. 212 00:09:30,060 --> 00:09:36,279 Khilli: And he joined the gang and then he turned that political party into a Hindustan Republican 213 00:09:37,199 --> 00:09:38,300 Khilli: socialist party. 214 00:09:38,580 --> 00:09:39,100 Khilli: association 215 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:41,500 Khilli: and then 216 00:09:41,850 --> 00:09:42,520 Khilli: he was like 217 00:09:42,740 --> 00:09:43,180 Khilli: all of them 218 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:43,980 Khilli: were eventually 219 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:44,780 Khilli: martyred 220 00:09:44,950 --> 00:09:45,600 Khilli: because of 221 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:46,120 Khilli: their actions 222 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:47,040 Khilli: like either by 223 00:09:47,130 --> 00:09:47,860 Khilli: police encounter 224 00:09:48,180 --> 00:09:49,160 Khilli: or by 225 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:50,760 Khilli: hanging till 226 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:51,060 Khilli: death 227 00:09:51,940 --> 00:09:52,600 Khilli: so yeah 228 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:53,480 Khilli: so they 229 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:53,940 Khilli: were 230 00:09:54,060 --> 00:09:54,420 Khilli: they're pretty 231 00:09:54,540 --> 00:09:55,300 Khilli: important 232 00:09:56,180 --> 00:09:56,540 Khilli: political figures 233 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:57,360 Khilli: who are 234 00:09:57,839 --> 00:10:07,399 Khilli: Active in the Punjab region, from the Punjab region, like Lahore, Karachi, and yeah, so all the major Punjab cities. 235 00:10:08,820 --> 00:10:18,140 Khilli: And yeah, so the film kind of follows their story a bit and tries to draw 236 00:10:18,140 --> 00:10:19,160 Winnie: a story. 237 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,899 Winnie: And before this movie, were these people well known amongst the youth? 238 00:10:22,899 --> 00:10:23,620 Winnie: Oh yeah, Bhagat Singh 239 00:10:23,620 --> 00:10:26,600 Khilli: had been really known because there had been films about Bhagat Singh. 240 00:10:26,779 --> 00:10:31,459 Khilli: We read about Bhagat Singh and there are like imageries of Bhagat Singh everywhere. 241 00:10:31,870 --> 00:10:32,040 Winnie: And 242 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,779 Khilli: Bhagat Singh is some character which is kind of liked by... 243 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,640 Khilli: leftist and as well as 244 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,660 Khilli: centrist and as well as rightist. 245 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,320 Winnie: Okay, so very unifying figure. 246 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:43,680 Winnie: So 247 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:45,540 Khilli: it's all like 248 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,320 Khilli: him for different reasons though. 249 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,540 Khilli: So my reading is 250 00:10:50,780 --> 00:10:51,220 Khilli: people 251 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:53,420 Khilli: don't actually 252 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:55,080 Khilli: read about his politics. 253 00:10:55,900 --> 00:10:57,500 Khilli: They read about like, 254 00:10:57,660 --> 00:10:59,320 Khilli: oh, he shot someone. 255 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,640 Khilli: He was an armed 256 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,020 Khilli: revolution. He did something. 257 00:11:03,260 --> 00:11:05,000 Khilli: He did something 258 00:11:05,540 --> 00:11:05,940 Khilli: like, 259 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:07,120 Khilli: macho, 260 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:07,980 Khilli: you know, 261 00:11:08,180 --> 00:11:08,319 Winnie: like, 262 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,259 Khilli: and this youth icon image, 263 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:11,680 Khilli: like, 264 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:12,339 Khilli: he did something, 265 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:13,440 Khilli: like, 266 00:11:13,660 --> 00:11:13,860 Khilli: very, 267 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:15,259 Khilli: like, 268 00:11:15,500 --> 00:11:15,940 Khilli: brave, 269 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:18,459 Khilli: brave against the occupation. 270 00:11:18,940 --> 00:11:19,019 Khilli: So, 271 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:19,819 Winnie: that's the 272 00:11:19,819 --> 00:11:21,279 Khilli: angle that people draw. 273 00:11:21,779 --> 00:11:23,019 Khilli: And I think, 274 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,220 Khilli: that's why this film kind of 275 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,380 Khilli: also, you know, 276 00:11:27,380 --> 00:11:28,260 Khilli: it was in 277 00:11:29,340 --> 00:11:30,600 Khilli: like in the centrist zone. 278 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,460 Khilli: So that's why this film, 279 00:11:32,510 --> 00:11:32,780 Khilli: if you, 280 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,460 Khilli: that's what like even Adam 281 00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:35,380 Khilli: was talking about it 282 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,000 Khilli: while watching. 283 00:11:36,220 --> 00:11:36,460 Khilli: It's like, 284 00:11:37,340 --> 00:11:38,720 Khilli: this film doesn't 285 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,640 Khilli: talk about their politics 286 00:11:40,860 --> 00:11:42,480 Khilli: it's just imageries of 287 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,120 Khilli: what they did right 288 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,580 Adam: yeah it doesn't say what they were fighting for 289 00:11:46,780 --> 00:11:47,900 Adam: it says how they 290 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:48,380 Khilli: were fighting 291 00:11:48,380 --> 00:11:50,320 Khilli: and maybe that was very intentional to 292 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:50,620 Winnie: kind of 293 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,420 Winnie: keep him as a unifying symbol for 294 00:11:52,660 --> 00:11:53,580 Winnie: people of all beliefs 295 00:11:54,140 --> 00:11:56,720 Khilli: so I think that this film 296 00:11:56,820 --> 00:11:58,200 Khilli: also like these people doesn't 297 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:06,480 Khilli: doesn't seem like very well politically versed the the main actors main characters and yeah so 298 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,700 Khilli: i i kind of i was thinking today about it and then i was like yeah it's true like 299 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:17,260 Khilli: that's maybe the reason that everyone likes bhagat singh because the indian right wing right now 300 00:12:17,380 --> 00:12:22,600 Khilli: they're like religiously oriented and bhagat singh is the person who literally wrote a 301 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:23,779 Khilli: essay called 302 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,180 Khilli: Why I am an atheist 303 00:12:25,630 --> 00:12:26,240 Khilli: and which was 304 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:27,339 Khilli: bashing Hinduism 305 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:28,339 Winnie: quite 306 00:12:28,339 --> 00:12:28,680 Khilli: a bit 307 00:12:29,199 --> 00:12:29,720 Khilli: and 308 00:12:30,319 --> 00:12:31,079 Khilli: like all the religion 309 00:12:31,259 --> 00:12:31,500 Khilli: but like 310 00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:32,920 Khilli: his point was like 311 00:12:33,060 --> 00:12:33,699 Khilli: I cannot 312 00:12:34,579 --> 00:12:34,740 Khilli: so 313 00:12:34,860 --> 00:12:36,019 Khilli: before he was 314 00:12:36,279 --> 00:12:36,600 Khilli: hung to 315 00:12:36,699 --> 00:12:37,380 Khilli: hung to death 316 00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:52,579 Khilli: like 317 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:39,839 Khilli: people were telling him 318 00:12:39,940 --> 00:12:41,920 Khilli: oh no when you face death you will 319 00:12:42,699 --> 00:12:44,000 Khilli: gain back your belief 320 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:45,519 Khilli: faith in God and 321 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:46,139 Winnie: stuff like that 322 00:12:46,180 --> 00:12:46,339 Winnie: and 323 00:12:46,339 --> 00:12:48,019 Khilli: he said like no I don't want that escape 324 00:12:48,740 --> 00:12:50,279 Khilli: like then what am I 325 00:12:50,420 --> 00:12:51,639 Khilli: like I don't want that escape 326 00:12:52,060 --> 00:12:54,019 Khilli: that would be cowardice for me to like 327 00:12:54,420 --> 00:12:56,300 Khilli: believe in God something that I never 328 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,220 Khilli: did like I not never did like 329 00:12:58,420 --> 00:13:00,080 Khilli: I chose not to do 330 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:01,720 Khilli: just because I'm facing death. 331 00:13:01,830 --> 00:13:02,980 Winnie: So very radical figure. 332 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,080 Khilli: So this movie 333 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:04,780 Winnie: was not 334 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,480 Winnie: just a progressive liberal movie. 335 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,940 Winnie: It was a movie that 336 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:08,860 Winnie: kind of 337 00:13:09,820 --> 00:13:09,940 Winnie: was 338 00:13:09,940 --> 00:13:10,740 Adam: relatable for people 339 00:13:10,750 --> 00:13:12,040 Adam: of all political beliefs. 340 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:12,540 Adam: Would 341 00:13:12,540 --> 00:13:12,960 Khilli: you say that? 342 00:13:13,050 --> 00:13:13,300 Khilli: Yeah, I think so. 343 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:13,580 Khilli: Yeah. 344 00:13:14,540 --> 00:13:15,560 Adam: I think, you know, like 345 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,339 Adam: like ml glenn beck had like an mlk day 346 00:13:19,339 --> 00:13:20,899 Winnie: you know so 347 00:13:20,899 --> 00:13:23,920 Adam: i think like i'm maybe i don't think he's like 348 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:29,060 Adam: the mlk or whatever but you know these people when you strip away everything are very easy to be 349 00:13:29,820 --> 00:13:30,680 Adam: commandeered by any 350 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,000 Adam: type of political movement 351 00:13:33,569 --> 00:13:34,860 Adam: when you have like a Fox News guy 352 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,860 Adam: like Glenn Beck doing like an MLK day 353 00:13:37,220 --> 00:13:38,100 Adam: you know I feel like it's 354 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:38,940 Khilli: the same type of thing 355 00:13:39,060 --> 00:13:40,560 Adam: where it's like he's just a symbol 356 00:13:41,180 --> 00:13:41,500 Winnie: yeah yeah 357 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:42,880 Khilli: he became a symbol now 358 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:44,519 Khilli: and also like but 359 00:13:44,860 --> 00:13:46,940 Khilli: this film's narrative has 360 00:13:47,370 --> 00:13:48,060 Khilli: pretty much 361 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,680 Khilli: Hindu nationalist as well like Chandrasekhar 362 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,000 Khilli: has been a Hindu nationalist 363 00:14:00,970 --> 00:14:01,079 Khilli: and 364 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,720 Khilli: what was this guy who was playing 365 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,120 Winnie: the Muslim guy 366 00:13:57,140 --> 00:13:58,420 Khilli: the Hindu guy who was a friend of 367 00:13:58,420 --> 00:13:59,080 Winnie: the Muslim guy 368 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,600 Khilli: Ram Prasad Bismil 369 00:14:01,180 --> 00:14:03,340 Khilli: Ram Prasad Bismil had been a Hindu nationalist 370 00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:04,900 Khilli: so they were 371 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,060 Khilli: like Bhagat Singh started working 372 00:14:07,340 --> 00:14:08,980 Khilli: with Hindu nationalists and then 373 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:10,680 Khilli: went towards more 374 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:22,380 Winnie: uh 375 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,480 Khilli: secular socialist 376 00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:14,880 Winnie: and this movie also 377 00:14:15,220 --> 00:14:15,780 Winnie: portrays that right 378 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:16,500 Winnie: you see kind of 379 00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:17,180 Winnie: the relationship 380 00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:17,920 Winnie: between this Hindu 381 00:14:18,220 --> 00:14:18,400 Winnie: nationalist 382 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:18,920 Khilli: and this 383 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:19,780 Winnie: Muslim man 384 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:20,900 Winnie: start off on 385 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:21,160 Winnie: a very 386 00:14:21,290 --> 00:14:22,560 Winnie: rough edges 387 00:14:22,860 --> 00:14:23,540 Winnie: and then they kind of 388 00:14:23,740 --> 00:14:24,600 Winnie: learn to see 389 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:26,220 Winnie: each other eye to eye 390 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:27,480 Winnie: because 391 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:27,920 Winnie: of 392 00:14:28,220 --> 00:14:29,760 Winnie: A white woman crying. 393 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:35,880 Winnie: I know everyone's confused about why we talked about the white woman early on, but it'll make sense as Nikki goes through the plot. 394 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:36,620 Nicky: Okay. 395 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,380 Nicky: So yeah, like Sue McKinley. 396 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:39,820 Nicky: It's Sue McKinley, by the way. 397 00:14:40,220 --> 00:14:40,920 Nicky: Yeah, her dad 398 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,440 Adam: was like a war criminal. 399 00:14:42,940 --> 00:14:44,100 Nicky: No, her grandfather. 400 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,780 Adam: Her grandfather, sorry, was a war criminal. 401 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:58,180 Khilli: Yeah. 402 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,080 Adam: Killed a bunch of people, occupied India. 403 00:14:50,339 --> 00:14:51,300 Adam: She looked at this. 404 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,399 Khilli: Tortured people heavily in prison. 405 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:56,620 Adam: And he was like... 406 00:14:56,620 --> 00:15:00,320 Khilli: Inhuman torture and then praying to Jesus after that for some reason. 407 00:15:00,740 --> 00:15:00,820 Adam: Yeah. 408 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,420 Adam: And she's like, I need to film this. 409 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,160 Adam: It's like she 410 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,040 Nicky: was inspired by their revolutionary spirit. 411 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:09,000 Nicky: Or whatever. 412 00:15:09,220 --> 00:15:14,260 Nicky: that it's anyway so it started off with like her and you know wanting to make a film in like 413 00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:19,700 Nicky: london i think and then like her boss was like no we should make more films about like 414 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,760 Nicky: uh gandhi or something she said something like along the lines of 415 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:25,820 Winnie: that yeah and 416 00:15:25,820 --> 00:15:26,260 Nicky: then like you 417 00:15:26,260 --> 00:15:30,040 Nicky: know since she couldn't make the film she decided to you know travel to india where she has like a 418 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,500 Nicky: friend named sonia 419 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,019 Nicky: Sonia is this college student at the University of Delhi. 420 00:15:35,820 --> 00:15:37,940 Nicky: And then we get to see this... 421 00:15:38,140 --> 00:15:44,720 Nicky: They would round up a bunch of these students to do auditions. 422 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:51,440 Nicky: And we have this segment with auditions that feel like they're all American Idol rejects. 423 00:15:52,380 --> 00:15:58,340 Nicky: Because you get this montage of them performing badly or whatever. 424 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:00,080 Adam: They spend 425 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,240 Nicky: a majority of the time doing that. 426 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:03,780 Nicky: But I do 427 00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:05,580 Adam: want to note, these people want to be in the film, 428 00:16:05,780 --> 00:16:07,760 Adam: which is a big difference in the people she casts. 429 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Adam: That is notable. 430 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,140 Adam: They did volunteer their time and actively want to be in it. 431 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:14,720 Adam: And she said no. 432 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:15,800 Nicky: Yeah. 433 00:16:16,370 --> 00:16:19,899 Nicky: So then, you know, because like because they're all terrible, right? 434 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,260 Nicky: They decide to go to this like party at some heritage site. 435 00:16:23,810 --> 00:16:25,060 Nicky: I don't recognize what it is. 436 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:26,660 Winnie: I mean, it's like a heritage 437 00:16:26,660 --> 00:16:27,080 Nicky: site. 438 00:16:27,190 --> 00:16:32,680 Nicky: And then like, you know, she meets Sonia's friends and we get to see like these like main characters. 439 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:43,060 Nicky: Now, Akili says that Amir Khan isn't really a goofball, but I kind of disagree with that because he plays this character named DJ, who we first see. 440 00:16:43,460 --> 00:16:44,300 Nicky: He's acting like a 441 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:44,740 Winnie: goofball. 442 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:45,480 Winnie: No, he's a goofball. 443 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:46,820 Winnie: He's a goofball. 444 00:16:47,260 --> 00:16:56,900 Nicky: He's like, you know, he's like sitting on top of the edge drinking like beer bottle with his friend, who was also played by... 445 00:16:57,260 --> 00:16:58,420 Nicky: I think it was 446 00:16:58,720 --> 00:16:59,460 Nicky: Sharman Joshi 447 00:16:59,860 --> 00:17:00,000 Nicky: right? 448 00:17:00,380 --> 00:17:00,540 Nicky: Yes. 449 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:01,500 Nicky: Yeah so these two 450 00:17:01,540 --> 00:17:02,240 Nicky: we've seen before 451 00:17:02,580 --> 00:17:02,680 Nicky: these 452 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:03,080 Winnie: two guys 453 00:17:03,140 --> 00:17:03,480 Winnie: are from the 454 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,140 Nicky: Three Idiots 455 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:05,020 Nicky: right? 456 00:17:05,820 --> 00:17:06,620 Nicky: So that's 457 00:17:06,820 --> 00:17:08,100 Nicky: DJ is played by Amir Khan 458 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:09,260 Nicky: and then that dude 459 00:17:09,540 --> 00:17:10,400 Nicky: Sharman Joshi 460 00:17:10,540 --> 00:17:11,260 Nicky: is Suki 461 00:17:12,060 --> 00:17:12,880 Nicky: and then we also have 462 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:13,680 Nicky: like the 463 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:14,780 Nicky: this like 464 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:15,580 Nicky: Afro 465 00:17:16,580 --> 00:17:17,200 Nicky: tag artist 466 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:18,440 Nicky: Aslam 467 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:26,880 Nicky: who 468 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:21,900 Nicky: who was played by, I think, 469 00:17:22,060 --> 00:17:22,939 Nicky: Khudan Kapoor. 470 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,939 Nicky: And we also have this badass smoker 471 00:17:26,189 --> 00:17:27,620 Nicky: who has a lot of daddy's money 472 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:29,040 Nicky: named Karen. 473 00:17:30,330 --> 00:17:30,880 Nicky: That's pretty cool. 474 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:33,780 Nicky: I don't remember his actor's name, but okay, yeah. 475 00:17:34,420 --> 00:17:35,220 Winnie: Siddharth, I guess. 476 00:17:35,330 --> 00:17:35,440 Winnie: Right. 477 00:17:36,510 --> 00:17:38,520 Nicky: Yeah, those are the two guys. 478 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,840 Nicky: Those were the first four guys. 479 00:17:41,660 --> 00:17:44,100 Nicky: And of course, DJ, because he's Amir Khan 480 00:17:44,370 --> 00:17:45,920 Nicky: and the main character, he spared no expense 481 00:17:46,130 --> 00:17:47,100 Nicky: on hitting on Alice. 482 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:48,780 Winnie: Like he 483 00:17:48,780 --> 00:17:49,120 Nicky: was like 484 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:50,340 Nicky: Speaking like 485 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:51,039 Nicky: In Indian 486 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:51,539 Nicky: And like 487 00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:53,179 Nicky: He was speaking in 488 00:17:54,140 --> 00:17:54,600 Nicky: Hindi 489 00:17:54,860 --> 00:17:56,120 Winnie: In the end 490 00:17:56,580 --> 00:17:58,320 Winnie: Nikki just went full time 491 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,140 Winnie: Nikki's cancelled 492 00:17:59,140 --> 00:17:59,620 Winnie: Full time 493 00:18:01,020 --> 00:18:02,179 Winnie: Oh my god 494 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,840 Nicky: Okay, yeah, so he's paying no expense hitting on her. 495 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:09,780 Nicky: And for whatever reason, she's enamored by him. 496 00:18:10,020 --> 00:18:12,780 Winnie: I think it's worth mentioning that Amir Khan is a goofball 497 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,640 Winnie: because he's older, right? 498 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:15,580 Winnie: But he's still in college. 499 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,940 Winnie: He never graduated college 500 00:18:17,940 --> 00:18:18,460 Adam: somehow. 501 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,140 Adam: He graduated five years ago. 502 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:22,980 Winnie: But he's still hanging out with his college. 503 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:23,820 Winnie: That's super 504 00:18:23,820 --> 00:18:24,180 Adam: cool. 505 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:25,780 Adam: He's the Van Wilder of 506 00:18:25,780 --> 00:18:26,840 Winnie: India in college. 507 00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:28,000 Winnie: And he's the 508 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:28,900 Winnie: coolest guy. 509 00:18:32,660 --> 00:18:32,780 Khilli: Yeah. 510 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:34,280 Khilli: He says later that he does that because he's afraid of the outside world. 511 00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:36,580 Khilli: That comes in a very emotional scene later on. 512 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:36,760 Khilli: I mean, when 513 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,040 Winnie: he went to the outside world, he ended up in space as PK. 514 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:40,300 Khilli: Sure. 515 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:41,200 Winnie: Why? 516 00:18:42,180 --> 00:18:42,980 Winnie: He had to stay there as 517 00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:43,480 Adam: long as possible. 518 00:18:43,730 --> 00:18:44,520 Adam: Outside of the art. 519 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:45,560 Nicky: Peritatory. 520 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,360 Adam: He thinks like he's scared of the outside. 521 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:49,420 Adam: He's afraid of getting a job. 522 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:51,700 Adam: So he just stays in this university drinking 523 00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:51,960 Winnie: all 524 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:52,420 Adam: the time. 525 00:18:52,620 --> 00:18:53,380 Adam: And then like, yeah. 526 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:53,900 Adam: And then we 527 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:58,260 Winnie: fast forward to three idiots and you see how bad university is for your mental health. 528 00:18:58,660 --> 00:18:59,820 Winnie: These are all chronological. 529 00:18:59,860 --> 00:19:00,760 Winnie: All the crossovers. 530 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:09,420 Khilli: All because his widowed or single mother is running a business and doing all the work and sending him money to drink at the college. 531 00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:10,420 Khilli: And that's such 532 00:19:10,420 --> 00:19:11,240 Winnie: a 533 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,800 Winnie: responsible fella. 534 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,220 Winnie: Definitely someone who will walk in Bhagat Singh's shoes. 535 00:19:16,180 --> 00:19:19,160 Khilli: No, no, he played Chandra Shikharazad. 536 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:20,380 Adam: Cancelled again. 537 00:19:20,530 --> 00:19:21,040 Adam: Oh, man. 538 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:21,320 Adam: Next. 539 00:19:21,690 --> 00:19:22,380 Adam: We're playing a game. 540 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,140 Adam: Guys, a reminder. 541 00:19:23,220 --> 00:19:23,680 Adam: I'm Indian. 542 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:24,480 Winnie: I cannot be cancelled. 543 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:24,980 Winnie: Oh. 544 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:26,760 Adam: Oh, what? 545 00:19:27,130 --> 00:19:27,240 Adam: Fuck. 546 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:28,620 Adam: You should be a Vicky now. 547 00:19:28,740 --> 00:19:28,980 Adam: Oh, 548 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:29,360 Nicky: shit. 549 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,500 Adam: Alright, so he's moving off. 550 00:19:33,740 --> 00:19:36,620 Nicky: Yeah, so I just want to go back to Amir Khan's character. 551 00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:38,640 Nicky: To drive the point home that he's a badass. 552 00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:42,559 Nicky: They're like partying their asses off. 553 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,700 Nicky: And then like, oh, wait, before I get that, we're also introduced in this party. 554 00:19:47,179 --> 00:19:49,559 Nicky: There's like a conservative party that 555 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:52,740 Winnie: breaks up the partying 556 00:19:52,740 --> 00:19:55,140 Nicky: students of their term of party. 557 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Nicky: Yeah, it's like we get to meet like this guy. 558 00:19:59,320 --> 00:19:59,840 Nicky: He's like this. 559 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:04,220 Nicky: He's this activist named Lakshman Pandey. 560 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,960 Khilli: The character's 561 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,100 Nicky: name. 562 00:20:06,460 --> 00:20:07,100 Khilli: He's this 563 00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:08,600 Nicky: very straight-edge 564 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:09,919 Winnie: dude 565 00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:12,600 Nicky: that is very nationalistic and stuff. 566 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:13,120 Winnie: Yes. 567 00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:21,120 Nicky: And we get to show how corrupt the police are, because the police came over and then they decide. 568 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:23,360 Nicky: like DJ being the badass that he is 569 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:25,640 Nicky: decides to bribe the police 570 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,179 Adam: and stuff. 571 00:20:26,380 --> 00:20:27,200 Adam: With his mom's money. 572 00:20:27,539 --> 00:20:28,480 Adam: With his mom's money. 573 00:20:28,860 --> 00:20:30,480 Adam: His mom's like bakery money. 574 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:32,720 Nicky: Yeah, so to drive the point home 575 00:20:32,980 --> 00:20:34,440 Nicky: of how cool he is, 576 00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:35,919 Nicky: like we get this segment where they're like, 577 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,820 Nicky: going back from driving back to the party like like they're driving in a jeep and then like you 578 00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:43,779 Nicky: get to see Amir Khan driving in a bike 579 00:20:43,779 --> 00:20:44,679 Winnie: yeah like 580 00:20:44,679 --> 00:20:46,960 Nicky: the badass that he is and it's like a it's like a 581 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:50,120 Nicky: segment like it's so 90s like so very 90s 582 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:50,840 Winnie: with the 583 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,380 Nicky: blur effect and everything I don't yeah I don't 584 00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:54,380 Nicky: know I thought I thought that was funny 585 00:20:55,580 --> 00:21:01,700 Nicky: Anyway, we also meet Sonia's boyfriend, who will become a very important character later on. 586 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,360 Nicky: He's like this pilot named Ajay Rathor. 587 00:21:06,059 --> 00:21:06,880 Khilli: Rathor, yeah. 588 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,380 Nicky: Who represents this other historical... 589 00:21:11,740 --> 00:21:16,320 Nicky: uh freedom fighter i think his name is like lala lachpat rye holy 590 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:16,980 Winnie: crap oh yeah 591 00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:17,400 Khilli: i don't 592 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:17,680 Winnie: i doubt 593 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:18,820 Winnie: that's correct right yeah 594 00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:21,300 Khilli: no i mean uh okay so the parallel is 595 00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:22,800 Winnie: it's a parallel but i 596 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:23,360 Khilli: didn't really 597 00:21:23,620 --> 00:21:24,500 Khilli: like never played in the 598 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:25,040 Adam: film yeah yeah 599 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,940 Khilli: he never played in that sepia tone film but it's kind of a 600 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:35,300 Khilli: parallel with the real story yeah and also he was he was the other friend from three idiots 601 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:36,420 Winnie: wait so there's 602 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,180 Winnie: there's three people 603 00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:37,820 Winnie: then in the movie 604 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:38,440 Winnie: that is in 3D 605 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:38,680 Winnie: all 606 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:39,060 Khilli: of them are 607 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,060 Khilli: into here 608 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:40,560 Khilli: oh 609 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:40,900 Winnie: wow 610 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:41,800 Winnie: oh he's the one 611 00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:42,760 Winnie: the other third guy 612 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:43,840 Khilli: the photographer guy 613 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:44,600 Winnie: oh 614 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:45,920 Winnie: wait wait 615 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:46,260 Winnie: yeah 616 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:46,820 Khilli: you're right 617 00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:47,880 Khilli: he's the photographer guy 618 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:48,760 Khilli: so all three of 619 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:48,920 Winnie: them 620 00:21:49,140 --> 00:21:49,820 Adam: in this 621 00:21:49,820 --> 00:21:50,220 Winnie: movie 622 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:51,120 Winnie: that's a totally 623 00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:54,000 Winnie: holy shit that's pretty cool 624 00:21:54,059 --> 00:21:55,559 Adam: are they like Amir Khan's best friends 625 00:21:55,779 --> 00:21:56,360 Winnie: I 626 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:56,559 Adam: don't 627 00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:56,940 Khilli: know I 628 00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:57,279 Winnie: don't think 629 00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:57,480 Khilli: so 630 00:21:57,519 --> 00:21:58,639 Khilli: because these are the only two people 631 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,980 Khilli: no they're not 632 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,840 Winnie: maybe Rangda Basanti was such a huge success 633 00:22:02,059 --> 00:22:02,860 Winnie: they kept trying 634 00:22:02,860 --> 00:22:03,019 Khilli: to 635 00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:07,179 Adam: so PK then is ultimately 636 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,380 Adam: an option of Rangda Basanti 637 00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:10,880 Nicky: Amir Khan verse 638 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:12,720 Adam: how do we keep this going 639 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,840 Nicky: so yeah she falls in love with the 640 00:22:17,260 --> 00:22:18,700 Nicky: entire group and she's like 641 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,400 Nicky: I'm going to get them to be in my movie. 642 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,200 Adam: But they're losers. 643 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:24,540 Adam: I mean, just to be clear, 644 00:22:24,730 --> 00:22:25,860 Adam: they don't volunteer. 645 00:22:26,370 --> 00:22:27,080 Adam: They don't audition. 646 00:22:27,690 --> 00:22:28,900 Adam: They don't want to do it. 647 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,920 Adam: They are like flunkies 648 00:22:31,030 --> 00:22:32,500 Adam: or they can't do anything 649 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,040 Adam: and function in society. 650 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:34,560 Adam: And she's like, 651 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:35,460 Adam: these guys i think 652 00:22:35,460 --> 00:22:38,700 Winnie: that's also intentional the way they were portrayed before they got into the movie 653 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,679 Winnie: was to show how that the youth of that time was just kind of uninterested in anything bigger than 654 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,159 Winnie: themselves living in the moment trying to have fun be impulsive so i think that portrayal was very 655 00:22:48,380 --> 00:22:48,600 Winnie: intentional 656 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,559 Khilli: yeah it's a boomer point of view 657 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:52,559 Winnie: exactly yeah yeah you 658 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:53,480 Khilli: guys are good for nothing 659 00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:54,679 Nicky: Yeah. 660 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:55,860 Nicky: Let's go 661 00:22:55,860 --> 00:22:56,940 Khilli: kill some politician. 662 00:22:57,660 --> 00:22:58,539 Khilli: Even one 663 00:22:58,539 --> 00:22:59,900 Nicky: of them, he's like, 664 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,480 Nicky: Karan, like the smoker with daddy's money. 665 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:09,160 Nicky: So his dad is like a very like politician, 666 00:23:09,970 --> 00:23:11,419 Nicky: like a well-connected politician. 667 00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:13,460 Khilli: Yeah, I would say a crony capitalist. 668 00:23:14,020 --> 00:23:14,160 Nicky: Okay. 669 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:14,580 Nicky: Yeah, 670 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,240 Khilli: kind of who talks to, like, who is close to the power, like, political party in the power. 671 00:23:20,150 --> 00:23:20,240 Khilli: Yeah. 672 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:26,820 Nicky: Yeah, and then, like, you know, you get this, like, quick little subplot where, like, he despises his dad. 673 00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:32,640 Nicky: So, like, he'll be in the movie and one-up him. 674 00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:34,960 Nicky: I don't know how to say it, like... 675 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,360 Nicky: like 676 00:23:37,460 --> 00:23:38,200 Nicky: well we'll get into it 677 00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:39,440 Nicky: it's just that 678 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:41,680 Nicky: so yeah anyway 679 00:23:42,250 --> 00:23:43,960 Nicky: she starts filming 680 00:23:44,030 --> 00:23:44,960 Nicky: they don't take it seriously 681 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,240 Nicky: DJ's a goofball 682 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:47,880 Nicky: insufferable 683 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:49,780 Adam: yeah they don't want to do this 684 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:50,940 Winnie: like they're being 685 00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:51,200 Nicky: pains 686 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,160 Adam: in the ass 687 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,840 Adam: And she's like, no, but these are my guys. 688 00:23:54,180 --> 00:23:57,020 Adam: And just again, to be clear, Nikki said she came to film a documentary. 689 00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:57,640 Adam: She's not. 690 00:23:57,820 --> 00:23:59,160 Adam: She's auditioning people for a film. 691 00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:00,260 Khilli: They have 692 00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:00,480 Adam: roles. 693 00:24:00,820 --> 00:24:01,440 Adam: There's a script. 694 00:24:01,820 --> 00:24:02,460 Adam: They have sets. 695 00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:04,140 Khilli: She's filming an 696 00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:04,840 Adam: actual movie. 697 00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:05,600 Adam: It's called a movie. 698 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,520 Khilli: Ongoing, ongoing debate about this. 699 00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:10,260 Khilli: It's not ongoing. 700 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,520 Adam: I brought this up before. 701 00:24:11,860 --> 00:24:13,020 Adam: Braveheart is not a documentary. 702 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,540 Adam: Titanic's not a documentary. 703 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,180 Adam: What she is filming is a recreation of 704 00:24:17,220 --> 00:24:20,000 Adam: historical events, but that doesn't make it a documentary. 705 00:24:20,299 --> 00:24:20,840 Winnie: That's a movie. 706 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,260 Winnie: Adam, you definitely brought this up before. 707 00:24:22,299 --> 00:24:25,480 Winnie: I think this was 70% of Adam's comments while we were watching the movie. 708 00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:26,700 Winnie: It was just like, this is not 709 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:27,240 Adam: a documentary. 710 00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:29,440 Adam: So just so the audience knows, 711 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,419 Adam: they're not like interviewing people that are involved in these events. 712 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:36,720 Adam: And when we say she's making her film, she is just doing... 713 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,860 Adam: a fictional film. 714 00:24:38,340 --> 00:24:38,980 Khilli: Maybe she would 715 00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:40,180 Khilli: interview after 716 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:41,360 Khilli: like before 717 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,300 Khilli: finishing the film. 718 00:24:42,460 --> 00:24:43,100 Adam: If she showed that 719 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,420 Adam: in the film, 720 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,200 Adam: I would have incorporated 721 00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:45,060 Adam: that, but she didn't. 722 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:45,600 Adam: Also, she 723 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,160 Winnie: has no money 724 00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:46,760 Winnie: for this movie. 725 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:47,480 Winnie: So it's, 726 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:47,880 Adam: you know, 727 00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:48,880 Adam: she's a very poor student. 728 00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:49,300 Adam: But 729 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,180 Khilli: the socks are like 730 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:50,740 Khilli: so nice. 731 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:51,600 Adam: I 732 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,440 Winnie: can only afford 733 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,940 Adam: 20 horses per scene. 734 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,220 Adam: You can only get 735 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:55,920 Adam: one train 736 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:56,360 Winnie: scene 737 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,420 Winnie: for the whole movie. 738 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,320 Adam: She's pretty broke. 739 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:06,780 Nicky: Yeah. 740 00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:01,000 Winnie: White people broke. 741 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,260 Adam: She's a millionaire. 742 00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:04,980 Nicky: Yeah. 743 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,840 Nicky: So throughout, this is where, you know, 744 00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:10,000 Nicky: there's a lot of things that happen during this, like, 745 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,900 Nicky: a part in the movie where they're like, 746 00:25:11,980 --> 00:25:16,100 Nicky: she's trying to get them to be serious with this film. 747 00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:20,220 Nicky: Like, at one point we get to see that there is like a scandal 748 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:23,020 Nicky: happening in the background of the plot, 749 00:25:23,180 --> 00:25:25,920 Nicky: where it's like, there's like a defense minister who's like, 750 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,240 Nicky: implicated in this 751 00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:30,400 Nicky: MiG-21 plane 752 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:31,040 Nicky: scandal, 753 00:25:31,420 --> 00:25:32,220 Winnie: where 754 00:25:32,540 --> 00:25:34,140 Nicky: the planes are having 755 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,200 Nicky: faulty equipment and they're breaking 756 00:25:36,420 --> 00:25:38,320 Nicky: down and killing their pilots mid-flight. 757 00:25:38,850 --> 00:25:40,040 Nicky: So there's that that's happening. 758 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:42,280 Nicky: And there's also 759 00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:43,880 Nicky: the thing that, I think this is what 760 00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:45,960 Nicky: the others are talking about, where 761 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,920 Nicky: Because the boys are not taking it seriously. 762 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,340 Nicky: What does Sue do to get them to unite? 763 00:25:53,790 --> 00:25:54,300 Adam: She cries. 764 00:25:54,860 --> 00:25:58,540 Adam: The only arsenal in a white woman's tool belt is to cry. 765 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:00,080 Nicky: Yeah, to cry. 766 00:26:00,090 --> 00:26:11,600 Nicky: And then the reason she cried is because she decides to enlist the help of the conservative party member, the Lakshman guy. 767 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,240 Nicky: to play the missing fifth member. 768 00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:16,780 Nicky: And, you know, of course, you know, they're not getting along. 769 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,160 Nicky: And, you know, like Adam said, she cries. 770 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,320 Nicky: Well, he hates the Muslim guy. 771 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:21,700 Winnie: He hates 772 00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:21,799 Nicky: the 773 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:22,320 Khilli: Muslim guy. 774 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,580 Khilli: The very handsome Muslim guy. 775 00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:23,980 Khilli: Yeah. 776 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,559 Nicky: Which we also get to know more of, right? 777 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:29,539 Nicky: Because he was like, we get to see his family. 778 00:26:29,860 --> 00:26:30,299 Nicky: Like, they... 779 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,240 Nicky: They hate Hindus. 780 00:26:31,660 --> 00:26:36,740 Khilli: That's a very like regular approach Bollywood film makes. 781 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,740 Khilli: Like, you know, they will have a very secular Muslim and they will 782 00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:42,400 Winnie: have also 783 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,580 Khilli: very conservative Muslims. 784 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:51,240 Khilli: I think it's here we see like for other religion also like there are extremists and there are secular people. 785 00:26:51,530 --> 00:26:53,600 Khilli: And it's a mix of it's a mixed bag. 786 00:26:53,660 --> 00:26:54,740 Khilli: It's a very conservative. 787 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:55,340 Khilli: Yeah, it's okay. 788 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:55,580 Khilli: Yeah, 789 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:03,280 Winnie: but this woman literally cries and solves like decades, centuries of trouble between Hindus and Muslims. 790 00:27:03,740 --> 00:27:05,700 Winnie: I guess we just need to enlist her right now. 791 00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:09,500 Adam: They want her to not feel bad because she's sad. 792 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,960 Adam: And so then they... 793 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,140 Adam: work together to not 794 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,040 Adam: confront their differences or really 795 00:27:16,540 --> 00:27:17,200 Adam: acknowledge them. They 796 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:17,340 Khilli: just 797 00:27:18,180 --> 00:27:19,980 Adam: put it under the table. 798 00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:22,120 Adam: They hide it under the rug so that 799 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,980 Adam: she can stop crying and they can keep hanging 800 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:24,780 Adam: around White Girl. 801 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:27,740 Nicky: Yeah, so they get together 802 00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:30,160 Nicky: and then, you know, this is where it gets 803 00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,020 Nicky: like, they do the parallel thing 804 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,260 Nicky: between what's happening at present 805 00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:35,840 Nicky: and with what's happening 806 00:27:36,220 --> 00:27:38,280 Nicky: in Sue's diary. 807 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:39,760 Nicky: We get to see like 808 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,760 Nicky: historical moments 809 00:27:42,179 --> 00:27:44,000 Nicky: like the train robbery. 810 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:45,020 Winnie: They call it the 811 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:46,679 Winnie: Kakori robbery. 812 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,360 Khilli: We 813 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:48,960 Nicky: also see the 814 00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:50,460 Nicky: Jalianwala 815 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:51,960 Nicky: Massacre. 816 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:52,980 Khilli: Yeah. 817 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:54,179 Nicky: Jalianwala. 818 00:27:54,309 --> 00:27:54,500 Nicky: No, 819 00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:55,080 Khilli: no, it's right. 820 00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:55,880 Khilli: Yeah, Jalianwala 821 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,419 Khilli: Massacre. 822 00:27:56,679 --> 00:27:57,280 Khilli: It was a 823 00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:58,680 Winnie: Very 824 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,540 Khilli: sad part. 825 00:28:01,060 --> 00:28:08,060 Khilli: They were open-fired on a group of peaceful protesters assembled in a closed park. 826 00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:11,100 Khilli: It had only one or two exits and entrances. 827 00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:15,560 Khilli: And they blocked everything and then just open-fired on... 828 00:28:15,580 --> 00:28:17,760 Adam: I like the non-sad massacres. 829 00:28:18,540 --> 00:28:19,020 Khilli: Which one? 830 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,520 Adam: The non-sad ones. 831 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,040 Winnie: Yeah. 832 00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:23,659 Adam: Which one? 833 00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:24,299 Adam: None. 834 00:28:25,159 --> 00:28:25,840 Adam: There's none. 835 00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:26,840 Winnie: Exactly. 836 00:28:28,139 --> 00:28:29,200 Adam: This is a really terrible, 837 00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:30,299 Winnie: massive pair, 838 00:28:30,580 --> 00:28:32,000 Adam: unlike the other really good ones. 839 00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:34,519 Nicky: Yeah. 840 00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:35,899 Nicky: There's also, like, the, 841 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,279 Nicky: you know, um... 842 00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:43,000 Nicky: I guess it was a Chandra Chikharazan, like a master of disguise. 843 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:50,820 Nicky: Because we get to see like, you know, in the historical film where like Amir Khan was like doing the whole disguise thing. 844 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:51,480 Nicky: Do you remember that? 845 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,660 Khilli: I think he was trying out the wig, wigs and mustache. 846 00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:56,920 Nicky: Yeah, yeah, that's it. 847 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,220 Winnie: That's it. 848 00:28:57,220 --> 00:28:57,700 Winnie: Yeah, 849 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,919 Khilli: in the mirror. 850 00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:02,799 Khilli: And that's where it transitions that to like them being actually serious. 851 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,500 Khilli: And the Rang De Basanti title track plays on the back. 852 00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:06,080 Khilli: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 853 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,100 Winnie: So what does Rang De Basanti actually mean? 854 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,080 Winnie: The colors, you know, Kili? 855 00:29:11,779 --> 00:29:12,120 Winnie: Is there a 856 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,279 Khilli: meaning? 857 00:29:12,299 --> 00:29:12,700 Winnie: It's like some 858 00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:13,700 Nicky: paint me sample. 859 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:13,960 Nicky: Yeah, 860 00:29:14,019 --> 00:29:15,139 Winnie: I remember something about colors. 861 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:15,880 Winnie: I think 862 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,000 Khilli: it's something, some Punjabi lord is there. 863 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,600 Khilli: I kind of, I don't know. 864 00:29:21,139 --> 00:29:21,299 Khilli: Okay. 865 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:21,899 Khilli: Yeah, I 866 00:29:21,899 --> 00:29:22,080 Winnie: think 867 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,360 Khilli: it's kind of, it's related to some text, actually. 868 00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:26,880 Nicky: But what we know is that 869 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,580 Nicky: all these freedom fighters, 870 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,860 Nicky: they know each other, 871 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,120 Nicky: historically speaking. 872 00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:31,580 Khilli: Is that true? 873 00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:32,760 Nicky: Kili, do you know 874 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:32,940 Winnie: that? 875 00:29:33,140 --> 00:29:34,919 Nicky: All the freedom fighters. 876 00:29:35,049 --> 00:29:35,460 Nicky: Oh, yeah. 877 00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:37,039 Nicky: The story 878 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:37,940 Khilli: is kind of... 879 00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:40,260 Khilli: The Sepiaton story is true. 880 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:40,960 Nicky: It's true, right? 881 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,640 Nicky: They were all there. 882 00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:41,980 Nicky: They were connected. 883 00:29:42,390 --> 00:29:42,900 Nicky: But they 884 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:43,260 Khilli: were not 885 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:44,720 Khilli: this five-people gang 886 00:29:45,299 --> 00:29:46,520 Khilli: Like, don't think of that. 887 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,700 Khilli: Because also in the film, they never show them, like, together doing that, 888 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:55,280 Khilli: apart from, like, plotting the murder of one of the police general after. 889 00:29:55,900 --> 00:30:00,080 Khilli: So that was the only scene where all of them come together in the Sepiaton film, right? 890 00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:03,740 Khilli: But they are connected through this party, Hindustan Republican Association. 891 00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:04,419 Khilli: That's it. 892 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:06,860 Khilli: But their timings are different. 893 00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:09,620 Khilli: And maybe they are not, like, all that close friends and stuff. 894 00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:11,039 Khilli: But they were all comrades, for sure. 895 00:30:11,179 --> 00:30:11,280 Khilli: Yeah. 896 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:13,940 Adam: Were they all explicitly, like, leftists? 897 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,560 Khilli: No, that's what I'm saying. 898 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,200 Khilli: Bhagat Singh was leftist, kinda. 899 00:30:18,580 --> 00:30:20,260 Khilli: Very left-influenced. 900 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:21,980 Khilli: Socialist, for sure. 901 00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:26,320 Khilli: And Chandrasekhar Azad was Hindu nationalist. 902 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,840 Khilli: Ram Prasad Bismil was a Hindu nationalist. 903 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,660 Khilli: Asfakullah Khan was, of course not. 904 00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:42,840 Khilli: But she was like, but they all were kind of Republican kind of point of view. 905 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,540 Khilli: Bhagat Singh brings in socialist 906 00:30:45,540 --> 00:30:46,500 Winnie: tendency. 907 00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:50,880 Khilli: And then, I mean, when I'm saying Bhagat Singh is like in the scope of this film, 908 00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:56,440 Khilli: like there were definitely other members in that party who were also cohorts of Bhagat Singh. 909 00:31:02,170 --> 00:31:02,280 Khilli: But... 910 00:30:57,380 --> 00:30:58,480 Khilli: in this film's context, 911 00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:58,900 Khilli: like, 912 00:30:59,020 --> 00:30:59,820 Khilli: Radha Singh brings in 913 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,640 Khilli: the socialist point of view 914 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,680 Khilli: and he was too powerful 915 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,360 Khilli: in the party, 916 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:05,720 Khilli: he becomes too important 917 00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:06,160 Khilli: in the party 918 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,460 Khilli: to change the name 919 00:31:07,460 --> 00:31:07,980 Khilli: of the party 920 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,420 Khilli: and add the socialist part 921 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,400 Khilli: because there was 922 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,520 Khilli: a very important speech 923 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,580 Khilli: by him like that, 924 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:13,280 Khilli: you know, 925 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:13,460 Khilli: like, 926 00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:14,240 Khilli: this, 927 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:14,720 Khilli: this, 928 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:15,840 Khilli: I mean, 929 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,120 Khilli: you have to be that 930 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:17,780 Khilli: because otherwise 931 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,560 Khilli: there is no way 932 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,380 Khilli: of emancipation. 933 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:19,660 Khilli: Like, 934 00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:20,240 Khilli: there would be like, 935 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,400 Khilli: he said like, 936 00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:22,100 Khilli: otherwise, 937 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:22,480 Khilli: like, 938 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,280 Khilli: white sahibs will live 939 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:25,740 Khilli: and brown sahibs will rule us. 940 00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:27,020 Khilli: There is no change. 941 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,620 Adam: So their one defining trait was just anti-colonialism. 942 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:31,140 Adam: Yeah, actually, 943 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,040 Winnie: what was their fight? 944 00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:33,160 Winnie: Was it just anti-colonialism? 945 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,420 Winnie: Yeah, yeah. 946 00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:34,580 Winnie: Get 947 00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:35,580 Khilli: rid of the Britishers. 948 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,280 Winnie: Okay, okay. 949 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:36,680 Winnie: Yeah, that 950 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,620 Khilli: was the fight they were fighting. 951 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,460 Winnie: So it's very interesting that the whole premise of this film 952 00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:43,320 Winnie: is a British woman trying to... 953 00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:45,360 Winnie: explain this part of the history 954 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,539 Khilli: cathartic journey for her mid-20s to kind of relieve her of her 955 00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:51,580 Winnie: ancestral guilt 956 00:31:51,580 --> 00:31:52,640 Khilli: yeah weird 957 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,280 Winnie: that's how a lot of white people feel about 958 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:54,880 Adam: a lot of things 959 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,940 Adam: they need to butt themselves into every situation because they feel guilty about what their 960 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,320 Adam: grandparents 961 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,240 Khilli: did at least at least white people are in that stage brown people are not even 962 00:32:04,460 --> 00:32:07,720 Khilli: in that stage of like feeling guilt about their past deeds 963 00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:10,280 Adam: what do they have to feel better? 964 00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:10,780 Adam: I think 965 00:32:10,780 --> 00:32:12,559 Winnie: brown people are still recovering from... 966 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:12,799 Winnie: The segment 967 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,080 Khilli: of brown people who are like oppressors. 968 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:15,780 Adam: Sure. 969 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:16,660 Winnie: They're 970 00:32:16,660 --> 00:32:18,960 Khilli: not even in the stage of acknowledgement. 971 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,200 Khilli: I mean, barely the hyper minority of them are like in the stage of acknowledgement. 972 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,520 Khilli: It's okay. 973 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:23,700 Khilli: I 974 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:24,480 Winnie: think they're playing a different game. 975 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:24,980 Winnie: White people are 976 00:32:24,980 --> 00:32:25,220 Khilli: better. 977 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,419 Winnie: No, they're playing a different game. 978 00:32:26,539 --> 00:32:28,260 Winnie: I think they are like reverse colonizing. 979 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:29,660 Winnie: Like Rishi Sunak and all. 980 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,059 Winnie: I'm guessing 981 00:32:30,059 --> 00:32:30,940 Winnie: they were probably... 982 00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:32,380 Winnie: They probably had some level of power. 983 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,460 Khilli: I'm talking about the people where brown people are from. 984 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,640 Khilli: Like the lands where brown people are from. 985 00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:38,080 Khilli: Like... 986 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:42,120 Khilli: they're not even acknowledging the atrocities 987 00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:43,220 Khilli: they have been doing for ages. 988 00:32:43,899 --> 00:32:45,519 Khilli: If you point that out, you'd be like, 989 00:32:45,639 --> 00:32:47,120 Khilli: oh no, you are just like being, 990 00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:50,120 Khilli: creating this false segregation and shit. 991 00:32:50,679 --> 00:32:52,700 Adam: - I agree with Kili, white people are better at 992 00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:54,120 Adam: their fault. 993 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:55,180 Khilli: Yeah, 994 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,100 Khilli: I also make 995 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,580 Khilli: better films, 996 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,080 Khilli: I guess, 997 00:32:57,180 --> 00:32:57,280 Khilli: about 998 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:57,620 Adam: their 999 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,260 Adam: about their 1000 00:32:59,520 --> 00:32:59,960 Khilli: about their 1001 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,020 Khilli: about their 1002 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,480 Khilli: like nasty 1003 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:03,220 Khilli: stuff that they 1004 00:33:03,380 --> 00:33:03,460 Khilli: did. 1005 00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:04,040 Khilli: So they do 1006 00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:04,580 Khilli: nasty stuff 1007 00:33:04,780 --> 00:33:05,260 Khilli: and then they 1008 00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:05,700 Khilli: write a nice 1009 00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:06,500 Khilli: script about it 1010 00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:07,080 Winnie: and they make 1011 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:07,600 Khilli: a very nice 1012 00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:08,260 Khilli: film about it. 1013 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,120 Adam: Brown people 1014 00:33:09,260 --> 00:33:09,680 Adam: can learn a lot 1015 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:09,760 Adam: from 1016 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,060 Winnie: it. 1017 00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:12,440 Winnie: And that's why they're still our heroes, right? 1018 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,600 Winnie: Because they commit crimes, but then they also save us from those crimes. 1019 00:33:15,860 --> 00:33:18,400 Winnie: This movie would not have happened without her 1020 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,180 Adam: grandfather committing the crimes and her coming back to film them. 1021 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:23,900 Adam: So think about that. 1022 00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:25,960 Adam: Without white people, we wouldn't even have this 1023 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,220 Nicky: movie. 1024 00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:29,320 Nicky: The only way I can contribute is that Thai people love to save face. 1025 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:31,360 Nicky: And? 1026 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,140 Adam: And that worked 1027 00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:33,900 Winnie: because Thailand was never colonized. 1028 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,540 Winnie: The only country in Southeast Asia that was never colonized. 1029 00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:37,180 Winnie: We took 1030 00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:38,380 Nicky: the cowardly audit. 1031 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:38,880 Nicky: Anyway, we 1032 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,580 Winnie: have to cut that. 1033 00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:40,440 Nicky: So, 1034 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:40,780 Winnie: anyways. 1035 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:45,860 Nicky: I also want to point out that, like, Sonia also got cast in the film. 1036 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,500 Nicky: And then, like, it's never mentioned again. 1037 00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:52,060 Nicky: Where, like, she's cast as this Durguwati. 1038 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,480 Khilli: Dula of Habi or something. 1039 00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:53,660 Khilli: Yeah. 1040 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:54,940 Nicky: Who is 1041 00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:55,160 Khilli: she? 1042 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,080 Khilli: She casts her 1043 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:56,900 Nicky: as that character. 1044 00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:58,500 Nicky: And then it never gets mentioned again. 1045 00:33:58,660 --> 00:33:59,060 Nicky: I don't 1046 00:33:59,060 --> 00:33:59,640 Khilli: understand. 1047 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:01,240 Khilli: She played... 1048 00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:02,840 Nicky: Who was she? 1049 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,340 Nicky: Lama Rajputra's wife? 1050 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,300 Nicky: I wouldn't know because that's why we got in the movie 1051 00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:11,260 Winnie: an insignificant character 1052 00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:13,000 Nicky: so I have a question for all of you 1053 00:34:13,140 --> 00:34:14,679 Nicky: when you go to the airport 1054 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:16,840 Nicky: not like the airport 1055 00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:19,080 Nicky: but the fields where the airport are 1056 00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:20,540 Nicky: do you take off your shirt and 1057 00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:22,980 Nicky: howl at the planes as they fly above you 1058 00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:26,879 Adam: yeah that's how you pass tsa in america because 1059 00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:27,200 Nicky: we 1060 00:34:27,339 --> 00:34:34,240 Nicky: get this scene where like ajay their their pilot friend takes the boys and sonia and sue to like 1061 00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:40,899 Nicky: this this airport and then like all the boys take off their shirts and howl at the airplanes like i 1062 00:34:41,020 --> 00:34:47,000 Nicky: don't know if that's a thing but the my main point of this thing this this part is that ajay uh proposes 1063 00:34:47,099 --> 00:34:48,000 Nicky: to sonia 1064 00:34:48,579 --> 00:34:50,079 Nicky: You know, he asked for her hand in marriage. 1065 00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:52,020 Nicky: It's going to be important later on. 1066 00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:52,560 Adam: Well, yeah. 1067 00:34:52,829 --> 00:34:57,359 Adam: And also, we haven't seen their relationship at all until now. 1068 00:34:58,619 --> 00:35:01,079 Adam: And like, we kind of forgot he existed. 1069 00:35:01,890 --> 00:35:02,940 Adam: And then he proposes. 1070 00:35:03,089 --> 00:35:05,619 Adam: And even watching the movie, we're like, who is this guy? 1071 00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:05,880 Winnie: Where did he 1072 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,320 Winnie: come from? 1073 00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:11,060 Adam: And then the movie just veers off and does a whole relationship montage. 1074 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,500 Winnie: So it's kind of easy to see where this is going, right? 1075 00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:17,100 Winnie: You can kind of tell that his character is going to be pivotal somehow. 1076 00:35:17,820 --> 00:35:22,580 Nicky: Yeah, like marriage and I'm going to join the army and fight for my country. 1077 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,660 Nicky: I wonder where that will lead. 1078 00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:25,960 Nicky: But the interesting 1079 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,120 Adam: part is that there is nothing to fight now in the army he's in. 1080 00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:31,460 Adam: This is why it's interesting. 1081 00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:33,660 Adam: He's like, I'm patriotic. 1082 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,980 Adam: I'm going to fight back. 1083 00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:36,599 Winnie: Adam, you cannot say that. 1084 00:35:36,779 --> 00:35:38,000 Winnie: That's how all countries operate. 1085 00:35:39,020 --> 00:35:39,279 Winnie: That's how 1086 00:35:39,279 --> 00:35:40,079 Winnie: militaries 1087 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:40,400 Winnie: exist. 1088 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,420 Winnie: There's always something to fight for. 1089 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,099 Winnie: What do we have to 1090 00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:43,779 Adam: salute him for? 1091 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,420 Adam: He's just doing test runs. 1092 00:35:45,819 --> 00:35:47,099 Adam: He's not even protecting anything. 1093 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:49,460 Adam: He is impotent. 1094 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,760 Adam: He is in a military with no purpose at the moment. 1095 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,920 Adam: These previous guys had some type of purpose. 1096 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:54,880 Adam: Now it's like, 1097 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,340 Winnie: The whole military thing as a complex is kind of devotion to your country. 1098 00:35:59,470 --> 00:36:00,200 Winnie: So no, I 1099 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:00,800 Winnie: agree with you. 1100 00:36:01,070 --> 00:36:04,240 Winnie: You're not protecting, 1101 00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:05,260 Winnie: defending against anything. 1102 00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:05,600 Winnie: It's 1103 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,300 Winnie: kind of like this invisible threat that 1104 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:09,360 Winnie: you're going to create somehow 1105 00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:12,320 Winnie: because you're going to go and do something that attacks them 1106 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:13,900 Winnie: and then there's going to be defense and then you're going to say, 1107 00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:15,460 Winnie: yep, this is why militaries exist. 1108 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,640 Winnie: But Kili, you said that you're very patriotic. 1109 00:36:17,860 --> 00:36:18,680 Winnie: Would you do what he did? 1110 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,820 Adam: which is fly a plane back and 1111 00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:23,060 Winnie: forth. 1112 00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:23,540 Winnie: That was your 1113 00:36:23,540 --> 00:36:23,860 Winnie: introduction. 1114 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:23,980 Winnie: Yeah, 1115 00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:25,940 Khilli: I would like to fly a plane. 1116 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,660 Khilli: Someone enroll me in a pilot course or something. 1117 00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:31,020 Winnie: It's very 1118 00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:31,480 Adam: expensive. 1119 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,880 Khilli: I can't afford myself. 1120 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:33,920 Khilli: Please, guys. 1121 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,180 Adam: So we're starting up a GoFundMe. 1122 00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:38,820 Adam: So if you go to fearofstairs.com slash fundme, 1123 00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:42,120 Adam: we can pay for Kili to be a test pilot for MiG planes. 1124 00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:44,140 Winnie: Please consider this Patriots, please. 1125 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:45,980 Adam: He's so patriotic. 1126 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,440 Adam: The only way to protect India at the moment is to fly planes back and forth. 1127 00:36:50,279 --> 00:36:51,020 Winnie: Kili's going to save 1128 00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:51,400 Adam: India. 1129 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:52,119 Adam: That's actually 1130 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:52,619 Winnie: me. 1131 00:36:53,299 --> 00:36:53,920 Adam: Don't be close. 1132 00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:56,859 Nicky: Go 1133 00:36:56,859 --> 00:36:57,200 Adam: on. 1134 00:36:59,799 --> 00:37:01,119 Nicky: So yeah, they work on the film. 1135 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,839 Nicky: They get close to... 1136 00:37:02,839 --> 00:37:05,480 Nicky: They bond over making this film. 1137 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:08,740 Nicky: And so does that conservative party guy, Lakshman. 1138 00:37:09,339 --> 00:37:10,619 Nicky: And, you know, we... 1139 00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:14,260 Nicky: And then also, Sue begins a relationship with DJ. 1140 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:15,579 Nicky: Because why not? 1141 00:37:16,579 --> 00:37:17,940 Nicky: I feel like that's undeserved. 1142 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,119 Nicky: Am I the only one that felt like it was so 1143 00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:20,559 Winnie: undeserving? 1144 00:37:20,579 --> 00:37:21,779 Winnie: Undeserved on whose end, Nikki? 1145 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:24,000 Winnie: On... 1146 00:37:24,819 --> 00:37:24,940 Adam: The 1147 00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:25,299 Winnie: deserved of each other. 1148 00:37:25,299 --> 00:37:26,240 Winnie: Why does she like him? 1149 00:37:26,859 --> 00:37:28,380 Winnie: Why does she like Indian 1150 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:29,160 Adam: Van Wilder? 1151 00:37:30,220 --> 00:37:31,079 Adam: Who is a goofball? 1152 00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:32,119 Adam: A college dropper. 1153 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:33,740 Winnie: And he's cute. 1154 00:37:33,779 --> 00:37:34,000 Winnie: No, honestly, 1155 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:35,020 Adam: like, is that... 1156 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:36,119 Adam: But there's nothing even... 1157 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,940 Adam: But come on, there's cuter guys in this group too. 1158 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:39,720 Adam: That Muslim guy is 1159 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:40,660 Winnie: way harder. 1160 00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:41,040 Winnie: Yeah, 1161 00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:41,580 Adam: way harder. 1162 00:37:41,580 --> 00:37:43,460 Adam: But the Muslim guy was not even flirting with her. 1163 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:44,780 Winnie: That's not 1164 00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:45,580 Adam: her problem. 1165 00:37:45,820 --> 00:37:46,400 Adam: She could go for 1166 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:46,680 Winnie: him. 1167 00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:49,460 Winnie: But also, maybe because he's Muslim, I hope that's not the 1168 00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:49,760 Adam: reason. 1169 00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:51,480 Adam: Are you 1170 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,560 Winnie: speaking on behalf of white women right now? 1171 00:37:54,850 --> 00:37:55,060 Winnie: I think 1172 00:37:55,060 --> 00:37:56,900 Adam: Haley deserves to speak on behalf of white women. 1173 00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:00,060 Adam: he's a 1174 00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:00,400 Winnie: carrot 1175 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,520 Adam: at every place we go to i don't cry but 1176 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,040 Winnie: dj does have this charisma to him right like 1177 00:38:06,460 --> 00:38:12,400 Winnie: maybe it's amir khan coming through as an actor but he does kind of have this goofy personality 1178 00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:15,460 Winnie: but you can tell he is also the lead ringer of his group 1179 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:17,000 Adam: the moment he's 1180 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,260 Adam: pursuing her the whole time 1181 00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:19,960 Winnie: yeah but in a very sweet way 1182 00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:22,900 Adam: yeah yeah yeah he's just very clearly 1183 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,200 Adam: interested in the whole he like 1184 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,839 Adam: tags her instantly and like he doesn't 1185 00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:28,320 Adam: allow other people to talk to her 1186 00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:30,560 Adam: and is very much like I called 1187 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:30,680 Winnie: her 1188 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,740 Winnie: well I think for most Indian men having a white woman 1189 00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:34,960 Winnie: is kind of one of the biggest prizes that they'll have 1190 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:36,780 Winnie: so you know he's definitely on his 1191 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,339 Winnie: best behavior 1192 00:38:37,339 --> 00:38:38,660 Adam: would you agree 1193 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:40,900 Adam: I know why he likes her that's not the question 1194 00:38:41,099 --> 00:38:42,400 Adam: why does she like him 1195 00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:46,160 Winnie: Because she's doing her eat, pray, love, you know, 1196 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,000 Adam: that's her journey. 1197 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,500 Winnie: Romance is part of it. 1198 00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:49,660 Winnie: Exotic meat. 1199 00:38:52,359 --> 00:38:52,859 Adam: No, you're right. 1200 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,780 Adam: There's a million other. 1201 00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:55,940 Adam: She's in fucking India. 1202 00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:57,440 Adam: Like she can fuck any of these guys. 1203 00:38:57,750 --> 00:39:01,460 Khilli: So I think she had a thing for the revolutionary. 1204 00:39:02,050 --> 00:39:04,380 Khilli: I think she had a thing for Chanda Sakharazade. 1205 00:39:04,579 --> 00:39:05,359 Khilli: Like while, because. 1206 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,040 Khilli: She really explains it with like, 1207 00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:08,359 Khilli: oh, 1208 00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:10,780 Khilli: like, 1209 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:11,300 Khilli: like, 1210 00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:12,040 Khilli: no, 1211 00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:13,320 Khilli: someone who cannot, 1212 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,560 Khilli: so no one can catch him kind of vibe. 1213 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,200 Khilli: Like she, 1214 00:39:18,460 --> 00:39:22,839 Khilli: she talked about very passionately about Chandrasekhar Azad and looked at him like, 1215 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:24,760 Khilli: Maybe she did this. 1216 00:39:24,940 --> 00:39:26,000 Khilli: That was her thing. 1217 00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:26,640 Winnie: Maybe. 1218 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,260 Winnie: Maybe the movie she really wants to make is that scene with the white woman and five black guys behind her. 1219 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:34,859 Adam: But now it's South 1220 00:39:34,859 --> 00:39:35,500 Winnie: Asian men. 1221 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:36,859 Winnie: All right. 1222 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:37,520 Winnie: So anyway. 1223 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,400 Winnie: maybe remove that maybe 1224 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,080 Adam: that is what she wanted to do and i think that's a really good point 1225 00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:43,560 Adam: no 1226 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,500 Khilli: that's 1227 00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:45,940 Winnie: why it's brown 1228 00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:46,500 Adam: brown is 1229 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:47,520 Winnie: the new black i guess 1230 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,180 Adam: brown is the new black so 1231 00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:51,680 Nicky: so su and her 1232 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:52,340 Adam: so 1233 00:39:52,340 --> 00:39:53,480 Nicky: she's filming a porno 1234 00:39:53,480 --> 00:40:02,120 Adam: with these young college students 1235 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,680 Adam: No way. 1236 00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:05,040 Nicky: Go on. 1237 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,400 Adam: I 1238 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,619 Nicky: can't get that image out of my head. 1239 00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:10,540 Nicky: Anyway, so they bond over 1240 00:40:10,540 --> 00:40:10,680 Adam: there. 1241 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,760 Adam: When they run train on her, it's actually not about 1242 00:40:12,839 --> 00:40:13,440 Adam: the train scene. 1243 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,820 Winnie: That's why she could afford it in her budget. 1244 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:17,920 Winnie: It's all for free. 1245 00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:19,040 Winnie: Oh my god. 1246 00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:20,560 Nicky: I'm dead. 1247 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,599 Nicky: They get to... 1248 00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:24,300 Nicky: They bond over a torture scene. 1249 00:40:25,580 --> 00:40:25,980 Nicky: That's 1250 00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:26,740 Winnie: a weird way 1251 00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:27,620 Adam: to segue 1252 00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:28,760 Nicky: into the next. 1253 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:29,900 Nicky: She's in S&M. 1254 00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:35,760 Nicky: There was like this torture scene between like the conservative guy and the Muslim guy. 1255 00:40:35,860 --> 00:40:37,200 Nicky: I'm going to refer to them as that now. 1256 00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:38,560 Winnie: And they 1257 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,920 Nicky: bond over this scene, right? 1258 00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:45,380 Nicky: And then, of course, Ajay comes in and said, oh, why are you guys all looking sad? 1259 00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:45,640 Nicky: You know? 1260 00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:53,400 Nicky: feels like someone has died wink wink anyway they they celebrate you know uh you know that ajay is 1261 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,620 Nicky: gonna go to to the air for indian air force 1262 00:40:55,620 --> 00:41:00,880 Adam: and what do you think happens next well movie's over 1263 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:01,920 Adam: there's no problem 1264 00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:05,260 Adam: And he just protects the skies all day. 1265 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:05,620 Adam: Yeah. 1266 00:41:06,330 --> 00:41:07,460 Adam: Well, that's the bad. 1267 00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:09,080 Adam: Oh, shit, I should have stayed and watched. 1268 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:09,920 Nicky: That's the false ending. 1269 00:41:11,020 --> 00:41:11,620 Nicky: He dies. 1270 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:15,600 Nicky: He just may become devastated to learn that Ajay dies. 1271 00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:23,520 Nicky: Because as we mentioned before, there was a MiG-21 malfunction scandal thing going on. 1272 00:41:23,530 --> 00:41:27,960 Nicky: And Ajay, unfortunately, becomes one of the victims. 1273 00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:32,460 Nicky: to, you know, drive the jet and malfunction 1274 00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:33,720 Adam: and it would crash. 1275 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,620 Adam: Yeah, the plane just like exploded in the air or something on like a normal test run. 1276 00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:38,060 Adam: Yeah. 1277 00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:42,860 Nicky: So that is like a very like huge turning point in the movie because that's when things get 1278 00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:43,520 Nicky: really serious. 1279 00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:49,300 Nicky: And, you know, the government, they kind of like blame the accident to like how Ajay is 1280 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,220 Nicky: like a bad pilot and they try to close the case and all that. 1281 00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:58,480 Nicky: But. 1282 00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:02,920 Nicky: You know, the group knows that Ajay is a good pilot, and they refuse to accept that official explanation. 1283 00:42:03,859 --> 00:42:11,260 Nicky: So we also learned that the defense minister, he signed a contract importing cheap parts. 1284 00:42:12,220 --> 00:42:14,040 Nicky: you know, of the plane 1285 00:42:14,359 --> 00:42:16,119 Nicky: in exchange for, like, personal 1286 00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:18,140 Nicky: favors. I don't know why 1287 00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:18,920 Nicky: he did that. 1288 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,040 Nicky: And we also realized that Karen, 1289 00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:24,300 Nicky: the guy with daddy's money, 1290 00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:26,280 Nicky: his father is involved 1291 00:42:26,359 --> 00:42:27,740 Nicky: in orchestrating this 1292 00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:28,960 Nicky: this whole deal. 1293 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,600 Nicky: We get to learn a lot in that bit. 1294 00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:36,480 Nicky: And we get to this really serious moment 1295 00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:38,880 Nicky: where the group, they organize like a protest 1296 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,660 Nicky: at the India Gate. 1297 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,480 Nicky: And then we get like this segment 1298 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,240 Nicky: that the police just like violently breaks up the group 1299 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,980 Nicky: and like there's a whole lot of police brutality 1300 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:50,860 Adam: going on. 1301 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,880 Adam: Yeah, I like this scene. 1302 00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:55,440 Adam: I like this scene because I was kind of worried 1303 00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:56,800 Adam: that it was going to be... 1304 00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:04,040 Adam: you know peaceful protesting solves everything and if we just hold hands and think kumbaya like 1305 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,180 Adam: that's how the message gets out but it's not like they did try that and they all sat down and had 1306 00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:12,460 Adam: like a candlelight vigil type thing and then the government comes in and like cracks skulls and 1307 00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:19,140 Adam: beats up that dude's mom who died and then that's when they become like radicalized which is which 1308 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,820 Adam: is like appropriate 1309 00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:20,900 Winnie: like honestly 1310 00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:23,420 Adam: that's when i become became radicalized when i thought like 1311 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,980 Adam: cops bashing BLM protesters 1312 00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:27,200 Winnie: and stuff where I was like 1313 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,119 Adam: okay there's no point 1314 00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:29,980 Adam: of return on this one so that's good 1315 00:43:30,089 --> 00:43:32,040 Adam: like I did like that is 1316 00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:34,099 Adam: true like the 1317 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:35,619 Adam: peaceful protests don't work and I'm glad 1318 00:43:35,619 --> 00:43:36,040 Winnie: these guys 1319 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,119 Adam: tried it saw it failed and then moved 1320 00:43:38,339 --> 00:43:40,060 Adam: on to the next step like I did appreciate 1321 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:54,720 Winnie: And that really brings us back to the beginning of the movie, right? When her company in England wanted her to cover Gandhi. Because that's kind of the story you'd get from Gandhi. Just like non-violent, peaceful protest working in the country's favor. And then you get almost the exact opposite with this Bhagat Singh coverage. 1322 00:44:09,970 --> 00:44:10,080 Khilli: Yes. 1323 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:56,360 Nicky: for it 1324 00:43:56,910 --> 00:43:57,300 Nicky: yeah that's 1325 00:43:57,350 --> 00:43:57,600 Nicky: really good 1326 00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:58,720 Nicky: actually Gandhi 1327 00:43:58,890 --> 00:43:59,440 Khilli: was like 1328 00:43:59,780 --> 00:44:00,740 Khilli: didn't write 1329 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:01,420 Khilli: a mercy 1330 00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:02,920 Khilli: plea for 1331 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:03,640 Khilli: Bhagat Singh's 1332 00:44:03,790 --> 00:44:03,900 Khilli: life 1333 00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:05,180 Khilli: like everyone 1334 00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:05,800 Khilli: asked Gandhi 1335 00:44:05,830 --> 00:44:06,360 Khilli: to write a 1336 00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:07,020 Khilli: mercy plea 1337 00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:08,180 Khilli: for Bhagat Singh's 1338 00:44:09,580 --> 00:44:10,660 Khilli: before he was 1339 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:11,240 Khilli: hung to death 1340 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:11,980 Khilli: and Gandhi said 1341 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:12,700 Khilli: no these are 1342 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:13,460 Khilli: violent kids 1343 00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:14,540 Winnie: who 1344 00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:16,280 Khilli: took wrong bet. 1345 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:17,440 Khilli: Oh, is that what happened? 1346 00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:18,079 Nicky: Yeah, 1347 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:18,400 Adam: yeah, yeah. 1348 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:20,440 Winnie: Sorry. 1349 00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:22,440 Winnie: Now that's going to be cancelable. 1350 00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:23,540 Winnie: The only reason, 1351 00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:23,960 Winnie: and 1352 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,160 Adam: Kili, correct me if I'm wrong, please, 1353 00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:27,660 Adam: but a lot of these peaceful protesters 1354 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:28,880 Adam: are only successful 1355 00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:32,560 Adam: because of the other violent groups behind them. 1356 00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:35,240 Adam: where the threat is, if you don't work with me, 1357 00:44:35,370 --> 00:44:36,160 Adam: then you have to work 1358 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:36,520 Winnie: with 1359 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,660 Khilli: the violent people behind them. 1360 00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:38,720 Khilli: Yeah, you have to always keep that as rifle. 1361 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,560 Khilli: If Gandhi did 1362 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,280 Adam: not have them, he would have no leverage, 1363 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,200 Adam: no platform, and his platform would not have succeeded either. 1364 00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:44,620 Khilli: No. 1365 00:44:44,740 --> 00:44:44,940 Khilli: The 1366 00:44:44,940 --> 00:44:46,380 Adam: peaceful only never works, 1367 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,940 Adam: and Gandhi honestly should just appreciate the fact that them... 1368 00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:51,960 Adam: existing made him more palatable. 1369 00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:53,760 Khilli: Yeah, Gandhi was a very... 1370 00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:55,960 Khilli: For sure, he was a very important 1371 00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:57,780 Khilli: figure and he did a lot and 1372 00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:58,080 Winnie: everything. 1373 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,040 Khilli: But he's like full of flaws, right? 1374 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,680 Khilli: So, any leader is. 1375 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:03,700 Khilli: Most of the leaders. And Gandhi is 1376 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:04,880 Khilli: maybe a little more. 1377 00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:19,980 Khilli: But... 1378 00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:10,200 Khilli: Yeah, I mean, there was one huge movement. 1379 00:45:10,270 --> 00:45:12,980 Khilli: I mean, he was like this huge figure 1380 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,340 Khilli: who has like a cult-like following 1381 00:45:15,730 --> 00:45:18,580 Khilli: of millions of people. 1382 00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:20,540 Khilli: Like he would say one thing 1383 00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:21,760 Khilli: and people would like... 1384 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:23,240 Khilli: do anything 1385 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:24,360 Winnie: so he 1386 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,900 Khilli: had that command over like the huge mass right so there was some movement 1387 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:36,420 Khilli: like leave india movement which is 1942 the last biggest movement before before india's freedom 1388 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:43,140 Khilli: uh there was like and that movement kind of became balanced towards the end and gandhi actually 1389 00:45:43,420 --> 00:45:44,260 Khilli: started fasting 1390 00:45:45,220 --> 00:46:01,680 Khilli: to stop his followers to continue the movement at some point because the movement turned violent because at one point like you know I mean there was like some police cops beating and everything so what the protesters did they do? 1391 00:46:01,620 --> 00:46:06,100 Khilli: locked all the cops in one village in one police station and burned the whole police station. 1392 00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:06,540 Winnie: So 1393 00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:09,660 Khilli: after that, like Gandhi was like, no, no, this is out of hand. 1394 00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:10,440 Khilli: This is getting violent. 1395 00:46:10,750 --> 00:46:13,260 Winnie: But you see, that's just a natural progression of any movement. 1396 00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:16,200 Winnie: Like a bloodless revolution is almost a myth, I think, 1397 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,940 Winnie: especially when there's colonizers involved and it's 1398 00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:20,220 Winnie: been going on for centuries. 1399 00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:21,040 Winnie: And 1400 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,600 Adam: there's so many common analogies. 1401 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,340 Adam: I'm not Martin Luther King Jr., the black guy, but Martin Luther... 1402 00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:27,040 Adam: uh 1403 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,140 Winnie: the the lutheran like the guy that created like protestantism yeah um 1404 00:46:31,140 --> 00:46:33,000 Adam: you know he kind of 1405 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:39,000 Adam: started the rebellion against the catholic church but then when he kind of got into a position of 1406 00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:43,640 Adam: influence where he was kind of just taken care of and kind of lived like a nice life and stuff 1407 00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:50,720 Adam: he started trying to quell all the other protests and was like no just listen to me we don't need to 1408 00:46:51,220 --> 00:46:54,200 Adam: you know material conditions would be disrupted he didn't want that to happen 1409 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,440 Winnie: so like when he 1410 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:55,600 Adam: was 1411 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,800 Adam: on the lower end of the totem pole he was all for fighting and then when he got 1412 00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,520 Khilli: in a higher position 1413 00:46:59,580 --> 00:47:00,540 Khilli: he told everyone else to 1414 00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:01,280 Adam: kind of stop it 1415 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:01,720 Winnie: happens all 1416 00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:01,860 Adam: the 1417 00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:03,460 Khilli: time never read that part in the history 1418 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:04,480 Khilli: book though you 1419 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,200 Winnie: know in the end it's always the victors who write history so the people that we 1420 00:47:08,340 --> 00:47:12,960 Winnie: end up knowing are who kind of like the victors would want the west would want us to know about 1421 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:16,240 Winnie: that's why the whole world knows about gandhi but 1422 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,000 Winnie: Only Indians will know about Bhagat Singh and that whole group. 1423 00:47:19,580 --> 00:47:19,880 Adam: And 1424 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,680 Winnie: this is our first introduction through a movie. 1425 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,780 Adam: Again, because of a white woman. 1426 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:24,700 Adam: And also, 1427 00:47:25,060 --> 00:47:27,020 Winnie: it's 1428 00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:30,760 Adam: not only people that they want you to know, but people that they want you to follow. 1429 00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:31,300 Winnie: Exactly. 1430 00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:36,080 Winnie: That's why I'm saying you have to be kind of like suspicious of anyone who's pushed in your face as a good role model. 1431 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:37,040 Winnie: I 1432 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,380 Khilli: think Gandhi people still stand behind him. 1433 00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:39,860 Winnie: Of course. 1434 00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:40,800 Winnie: Because 1435 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,260 Khilli: there's one big reason. 1436 00:47:46,170 --> 00:47:46,280 Khilli: Because... 1437 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,800 Khilli: He was a very centrist figure, 1438 00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:47,440 Khilli: like in the truest sense of centrist figure, 1439 00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:48,359 Winnie: like right wing 1440 00:47:48,359 --> 00:47:49,020 Khilli: hated him. 1441 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,339 Khilli: Leftist also didn't like him. 1442 00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:55,060 Khilli: And he was actually assassinated by the right wingers. 1443 00:47:55,579 --> 00:47:56,260 Khilli: So this is a very, 1444 00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:59,520 Khilli: I think I don't know many of the incidents in history 1445 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,920 Khilli: where right wing extremists assassinating 1446 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,599 Khilli: a very centrist figure. 1447 00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:10,040 Khilli: Because they usually assassinate who goes towards... 1448 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:10,880 Adam: JK, assassination. 1449 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:13,180 Adam: Yeah. 1450 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,720 Adam: he was a centrist 1451 00:48:14,050 --> 00:48:14,260 Adam: I mean 1452 00:48:14,410 --> 00:48:15,200 Adam: he was a centrist 1453 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,060 Khilli: in 1454 00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:16,700 Winnie: terms of 1455 00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:17,480 Winnie: American politics 1456 00:48:17,740 --> 00:48:18,320 Khilli: or in terms of 1457 00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:18,640 Khilli: global 1458 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:19,880 Winnie: centrist 1459 00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:20,760 Winnie: I think will tend 1460 00:48:20,810 --> 00:48:21,780 Winnie: to pose a big threat 1461 00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:22,480 Winnie: because they're 1462 00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:23,960 Winnie: another unifying symbol 1463 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:24,800 Winnie: they can actually 1464 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,020 Winnie: get the mass on board 1465 00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:26,560 Winnie: so I'd say 1466 00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:27,000 Winnie: if anything 1467 00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:27,820 Winnie: centrist can be 1468 00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:28,460 Winnie: the biggest threat 1469 00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:29,600 Winnie: to people in power 1470 00:48:41,470 --> 00:48:41,580 Khilli: yeah 1471 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:31,619 Khilli: So that's what happened. 1472 00:48:32,220 --> 00:48:33,579 Khilli: He's the first assassinated 1473 00:48:34,359 --> 00:48:35,900 Khilli: political, huge political figure 1474 00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:37,460 Khilli: and it was the Hindu 1475 00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:39,180 Khilli: terrorist. 1476 00:48:40,339 --> 00:48:41,060 Khilli: Hindu terrorist. 1477 00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:43,980 Adam: But if it wasn't for these guys 1478 00:48:44,099 --> 00:48:46,079 Adam: that the movie's about, there would be no 1479 00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:46,520 Adam: independence. 1480 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,120 Adam: For 1481 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,180 Khilli: sure. They built up the pressure 1482 00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:51,020 Adam: a 1483 00:48:51,020 --> 00:48:51,260 Khilli: lot. 1484 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,860 Khilli: I mean, there has always been a parallel armed struggle in the Indian freedom movement. 1485 00:48:56,980 --> 00:49:01,840 Khilli: There were like Azad, Hind, Faj, which is like an army built against, 1486 00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:14,200 Khilli: with collecting militaries who were arrested in Japan as part of the Second World War. 1487 00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:22,540 Khilli: indian army uh like british indian army so suvash chandra was like he kind of collected all this 1488 00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:30,560 Khilli: uh army people from like he britishers enemy states and created one army so they were trying 1489 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,340 Khilli: to enter india from one end like they were not very successful but whatever they were trying to 1490 00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:41,800 Khilli: there was like an indian british navy in a british indian navy they they revolted they 1491 00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:45,300 Khilli: there was a mutiny of the Navy towards the end. 1492 00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:46,200 Khilli: So there were this, 1493 00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:52,160 Khilli: all this armed resistance force was pressuring up and Congress, 1494 00:49:53,340 --> 00:49:54,300 Khilli: international Congress, 1495 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,800 Khilli: that's like Gandhi was leader of like, 1496 00:49:56,820 --> 00:50:02,040 Khilli: they were politically like peacefully moving and there were a lot of movements 1497 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:02,520 Khilli: happening. 1498 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:03,880 Khilli: So it was a very disturbed, 1499 00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:07,540 Khilli: like they had a lot of pressure and of course the, 1500 00:50:08,339 --> 00:50:13,440 Khilli: Yeah, like you said, the arm struggle will help the pressure a lot. 1501 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:15,980 Khilli: Cool. 1502 00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:19,839 Adam: Do these guys have holidays based off of them? 1503 00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:21,500 Adam: Exactly. 1504 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:21,660 Winnie: Thank you. 1505 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:24,760 Adam: Of course not. 1506 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,500 Adam: That's why we don't have Malcolm X Day. 1507 00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:28,119 Adam: That's why we have MLK Day. 1508 00:50:29,339 --> 00:50:30,039 Adam: Alright, keep going. 1509 00:50:31,099 --> 00:50:32,579 Nicky: Yeah, so they see 1510 00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:34,799 Nicky: Ajay's mom get beaten up 1511 00:50:34,799 --> 00:50:36,440 Nicky: by the police. She ends up in a coma. 1512 00:50:37,140 --> 00:50:38,700 Nicky: Lakshman gets to see that his 1513 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,619 Nicky: conservative party 1514 00:50:40,819 --> 00:50:42,660 Nicky: leader is in cahoots with the 1515 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,720 Nicky: government. And that would 1516 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,559 Nicky: lead to all of them being 1517 00:50:46,779 --> 00:50:47,660 Nicky: radicalized and 1518 00:50:48,529 --> 00:50:50,900 Nicky: they need to take action and avenge 1519 00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:51,760 Nicky: Ajay's death. 1520 00:50:53,740 --> 00:50:56,780 Nicky: And so, what do you think they do to avenge Ajay's death? 1521 00:50:57,780 --> 00:50:59,260 Nicky: They fucking murder the... 1522 00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:01,860 Nicky: They fucking murder the defense minister. 1523 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:02,700 Nicky: In broad 1524 00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:03,080 Winnie: daylight. 1525 00:51:03,340 --> 00:51:05,180 Winnie: I'm still so impressed by this scene. 1526 00:51:05,420 --> 00:51:05,840 Winnie: Insane. 1527 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:06,840 Winnie: Like, literally just 1528 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:07,400 Nicky: walking down 1529 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,560 Winnie: the sidewalk in broad daylight. 1530 00:51:08,810 --> 00:51:11,000 Winnie: They come up with a bike and... 1531 00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:11,860 Winnie: puff puff 1532 00:51:13,050 --> 00:51:13,160 Winnie: yeah 1533 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 7: that's what 1534 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:13,900 Winnie: guns sound 1535 00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:14,100 Adam: like 1536 00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:15,220 Adam: why 1537 00:51:15,220 --> 00:51:16,160 Speaker 7: did you do puff puff 1538 00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:16,740 Adam: I don't know 1539 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 7: I think I'm thinking about the joint right 1540 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:19,120 Adam: now 1541 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,080 Adam: that's what we were 1542 00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:22,940 Speaker 7: boom boom 1543 00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:30,400 Adam: the way Nikki brought that up 1544 00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:32,220 Adam: is how quickly the movie brings that up 1545 00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:33,860 Winnie: it's like out of nowhere 1546 00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:36,580 Adam: in one scene they're like I guess we gotta kill this politician 1547 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,220 Adam: and then they just do it 1548 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,360 Adam: After like all this buildup and they just they're in a car. 1549 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,340 Adam: It's like a GTA scene. 1550 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,300 Adam: It's like broad daylight. 1551 00:51:44,860 --> 00:51:46,820 Adam: They just do a drive by shooting on this guy. 1552 00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:48,780 Adam: He's like walking out of his house to kill him 1553 00:51:48,780 --> 00:51:49,140 Winnie: dead. 1554 00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:49,480 Winnie: And like 1555 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,340 Adam: it happened. 1556 00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:53,560 Adam: They did it super unexpected for me. 1557 00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:56,640 Adam: I've never seen a movie just advocate killing politicians. 1558 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,220 Adam: I mean, not advocate, just doing it. 1559 00:51:59,579 --> 00:52:00,099 Winnie: And that's not 1560 00:52:00,099 --> 00:52:00,940 Adam: the plot of the movie. 1561 00:52:01,260 --> 00:52:03,500 Winnie: Is this how Luigi also shot the CU guy? 1562 00:52:03,539 --> 00:52:04,700 Winnie: It was also in broad daylight, 1563 00:52:04,940 --> 00:52:05,039 Adam: right? 1564 00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:05,859 Adam: Yeah. 1565 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:06,500 Khilli: Very similar. 1566 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,079 Khilli: Yeah, it's actually kind of cool. 1567 00:52:09,099 --> 00:52:09,500 Winnie: But 1568 00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:11,680 Khilli: yeah, of course, the CU didn't have bodyguards. 1569 00:52:12,059 --> 00:52:12,460 Khilli: This 1570 00:52:12,460 --> 00:52:12,940 Winnie: minister 1571 00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:13,260 Winnie: had 1572 00:52:13,260 --> 00:52:13,619 Khilli: bodyguards. 1573 00:52:13,619 --> 00:52:16,220 Khilli: But they couldn't do anything because if you suddenly... 1574 00:52:16,740 --> 00:52:18,020 Khilli: Because there is no intel, right? 1575 00:52:18,020 --> 00:52:21,460 Khilli: So that's how people catch the assassination attempt. 1576 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:22,640 Khilli: Because there would be an intel. 1577 00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:23,819 Khilli: Because there would be a bigger... 1578 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,039 Khilli: network flat plotting it there would be leaks of information 1579 00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:27,700 Winnie: and stuff like 1580 00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:28,299 Khilli: but they were like 1581 00:52:28,380 --> 00:52:30,480 Khilli: just five people like deciding okay let's kill him 1582 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,740 Adam: and then there was 1583 00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:32,859 Khilli: no leak of information and 1584 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,200 Khilli: suddenly killing him so no one 1585 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,400 Adam: could do anything again pre-internet so they're 1586 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,160 Khilli: not gonna like 1587 00:52:38,859 --> 00:52:40,960 Adam: surveil this over chat or anything 1588 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:41,579 Winnie: yeah it's these 1589 00:52:41,579 --> 00:52:42,380 Adam: dudes in a room 1590 00:52:43,580 --> 00:52:46,140 Adam: they kill him, they can't find who the killers are. 1591 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,960 Adam: And yeah, it's pretty impressive. 1592 00:52:48,180 --> 00:52:50,140 Adam: It's a good blueprint for how we should all live our lives. 1593 00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:52,960 Nicky: Adam's starting a revolution 1594 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:53,580 Winnie: right here. 1595 00:52:54,260 --> 00:52:56,440 Nicky: So you think that is sudden, right? 1596 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,380 Nicky: Wait till you hear what happens next. 1597 00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:02,260 Nicky: So the media ends up reporting that the defense minister, 1598 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,120 Nicky: he was killed by terrorists and that he's like a martyr or something. 1599 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,120 Nicky: And because the group feels that, oh shit, 1600 00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:12,120 Nicky: that didn't make much of an impact. 1601 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,020 Nicky: what do you think they do next? 1602 00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:17,420 Nicky: They take over a radio station at gunpoint. 1603 00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:22,180 Adam: Yeah, they need to tell everyone why they killed him. 1604 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,540 Adam: They need to tell everyone why this guy was bad 1605 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,680 Adam: because they're shocked that newspapers weren't saying, 1606 00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:31,480 Adam: like, hey, evil guy dead everywhere. 1607 00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:34,240 Adam: And again, because it's pre-iPhone, 1608 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:35,580 Adam: because it's pre-internet, 1609 00:53:36,060 --> 00:53:38,580 Adam: which I never thought about until watching this again, 1610 00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:41,680 Adam: they have to hijack a local college radio station 1611 00:53:42,619 --> 00:53:44,700 Khilli: and it's a college it's like a proper radio 1612 00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:45,680 Winnie: station oh 1613 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:46,779 Khilli: so they hijack like a 1614 00:53:46,779 --> 00:53:47,619 Adam: local radio 1615 00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:52,700 Adam: station to broadcast their messages they have to physically hijack it when anything else now 1616 00:53:52,799 --> 00:53:54,740 Adam: would just be like a facebook live stream 1617 00:53:54,740 --> 00:53:55,920 Winnie: yes like some 1618 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,059 Adam: twitch stream murder or something 1619 00:53:58,059 --> 00:53:58,640 Winnie: but 1620 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,099 Winnie: that's also a radical component of the film because they're not trying to run away they're 1621 00:54:02,099 --> 00:54:04,680 Winnie: not trying to hide or anything right like they are literally 1622 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,920 Adam: confessing 1623 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:06,980 Winnie: what they just did 1624 00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:11,100 Winnie: on to like the entire country because they stand by it and 1625 00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,880 Adam: they do want it to change they're not 1626 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,960 Adam: just killing him they're killing him for a purpose 1627 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,300 Winnie: exactly try to 1628 00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:18,200 Adam: affect some changes 1629 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:22,520 Adam: when once that change doesn't happen then they try to push it further which 1630 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:23,340 Winnie: yeah again 1631 00:54:23,340 --> 00:54:25,400 Adam: that's the 1632 00:54:25,420 --> 00:54:27,260 Adam: being tagged yes exactly also 1633 00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:30,200 Khilli: like this is a good parallel with bhagat singh like how he got caught 1634 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:36,119 Khilli: so he uh he tried to kill like the general the the police officer they killed on the broad daylight 1635 00:54:36,260 --> 00:54:42,660 Khilli: right so after that he was already wanted but he could go away anyway so that's when he did that 1636 00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:47,900 Khilli: party decided to like attack the parliament when the parliament was on session but they 1637 00:54:48,020 --> 00:54:50,339 Khilli: want didn't want to kill anyone because they are like 1638 00:54:50,740 --> 00:54:51,380 Khilli: They're innocent. 1639 00:54:52,090 --> 00:54:56,640 Khilli: I mean, not innocent, but they don't promote terror attack randomly. 1640 00:54:57,780 --> 00:54:58,980 Khilli: Targeted killing is okay. 1641 00:54:59,620 --> 00:55:05,120 Khilli: So what they did was they made this bomb, like smoke bomb, without any slinter. 1642 00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:10,340 Khilli: And they throw their pamphlet up there with party manifesto and everything in the parliament. 1643 00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:12,700 Khilli: And they did that so that... 1644 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,300 Khilli: when they would be tried in court, 1645 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,820 Khilli: they can talk about their motto, 1646 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,040 Khilli: their politics and everything. 1647 00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:22,820 Khilli: And all the news reporters, 1648 00:55:23,380 --> 00:55:24,260 Khilli: journalists will be there 1649 00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:25,480 Khilli: and they can publish. 1650 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,300 Khilli: And that's how their manifesto 1651 00:55:29,380 --> 00:55:30,440 Khilli: would go out in public. 1652 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,060 Khilli: So I think that's a good parallel 1653 00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:34,180 Khilli: with what they did 1654 00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:36,000 Khilli: with hijacking the radio station. 1655 00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:42,680 Nicky: Yeah. 1656 00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:38,780 Nicky: Karen takes over 1657 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,100 Nicky: the station 1658 00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:40,820 Nicky: I think it was the one 1659 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:41,400 Nicky: that broadcast 1660 00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:42,020 Nicky: and then 1661 00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:43,000 Nicky: while they're like 1662 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:44,260 Nicky: Karen is the white woman 1663 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:44,760 Nicky: Karen 1664 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:45,720 Adam: is the other guy 1665 00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:46,600 Adam: Karan 1666 00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:47,200 Adam: I'm kidding 1667 00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:47,400 Adam: I'm 1668 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:47,600 Khilli: kidding 1669 00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:48,760 Khilli: you have a friend 1670 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,780 Khilli: we have a friend 1671 00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:50,340 Adam: that is 1672 00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:50,580 Khilli: true 1673 00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:51,640 Khilli: it 1674 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,140 Winnie: sounds great 1675 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,140 Winnie: Karan Kalan 1676 00:55:53,540 --> 00:55:54,200 Khilli: it's the same name 1677 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:54,900 Winnie: it's the same name 1678 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:55,600 Winnie: but Thai is pronounced 1679 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,080 Nicky: it differently 1680 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:56,560 Winnie: yeah 1681 00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:07,080 Nicky: correct 1682 00:55:57,740 --> 00:56:00,080 Nicky: Yeah, so they broadcast the... 1683 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,000 Nicky: I'm keeping that part in. 1684 00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:01,900 Nicky: That's a really important 1685 00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:02,120 Winnie: part. 1686 00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:02,460 Winnie: Go ahead. 1687 00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:12,700 Nicky: So Karan, a broadcast of the defense minister's corruption, right? 1688 00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:16,880 Nicky: And while that's happening, right, they managed to evacuate everyone from the radio station. 1689 00:56:17,460 --> 00:56:19,500 Nicky: with guns and uh 1690 00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:20,640 Adam: important part important 1691 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,940 Nicky: part because while that was happening right the the 1692 00:56:24,020 --> 00:56:29,880 Nicky: indian uh military decides to raid the radio station and what do you think they have what 1693 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,120 Nicky: do you think happens they they just you know surrender themselves and everyone walks off 1694 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:34,660 Nicky: scot-free 1695 00:56:34,660 --> 00:56:41,680 Adam: it becomes like munich and they just uh bunker down and and amir khan becomes like a hardened 1696 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,660 Adam: It ban wilder becomes Rambo basically. 1697 00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:46,880 Khilli: They wanted to actually surrender, 1698 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,420 Khilli: but they realized that the surrender is not a point because they had a, 1699 00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:50,780 Khilli: uh, 1700 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,220 Khilli: shoot at site order. 1701 00:56:52,430 --> 00:56:56,560 Khilli: I mean the before the scene before the army or the whatever armed force 1702 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:56,980 Khilli: arrives, 1703 00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,600 Khilli: like they threw the guns on the beans. 1704 00:57:00,099 --> 00:57:05,720 Khilli: that was like a scene you remember like they were like as soon as they decided they they they did 1705 00:57:05,819 --> 00:57:11,380 Khilli: the broadcast that we killed him we killed him because he he's the he's guilty for my our friend's 1706 00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:18,099 Khilli: death for me me crashed and then the song starts playing and they they put the gun in the trash 1707 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,380 Khilli: which was like i think i'm going to make an image of it 1708 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:22,920 Khilli: Yeah, so they did that. 1709 00:57:22,970 --> 00:57:25,600 Khilli: So it's like, okay, we get rid of the arms. 1710 00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:27,520 Khilli: We are done with the violence. 1711 00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:29,000 Khilli: And then they're shot. 1712 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,220 Winnie: Well, I think they knew what their future held, right? 1713 00:57:31,340 --> 00:57:33,480 Winnie: Like they all thought they were going to end up in jail or whatever. 1714 00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:34,060 Khilli: And that's 1715 00:57:34,060 --> 00:57:37,460 Winnie: why they accused their friend who's rich 1716 00:57:37,460 --> 00:57:39,720 Winnie: of being able to get out of it. 1717 00:57:40,220 --> 00:57:41,680 Winnie: And they knew that was their fate. 1718 00:57:41,710 --> 00:57:43,800 Winnie: So I think they didn't want their actions to go into vain. 1719 00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:45,500 Winnie: And that's why they were trying to make a statement 1720 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,940 Winnie: and urge people to wake up and see what's going on around them before they died. 1721 00:57:50,860 --> 00:57:52,160 Winnie: Oh, that's a spoiler alert. 1722 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:53,560 Winnie: They died. 1723 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,160 Khilli: But the rich friend... 1724 00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:57,200 Khilli: The 1725 00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:57,560 Winnie: rich friend 1726 00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,020 Winnie: could have gotten away 1727 00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:00,440 Khilli: because he's a rich dad. 1728 00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:00,820 Khilli: Right. 1729 00:58:01,420 --> 00:58:01,540 Khilli: That 1730 00:58:01,540 --> 00:58:03,000 Winnie: is the biggest twist in the movie. 1731 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,260 Khilli: The biggest twist? 1732 00:58:04,460 --> 00:58:06,040 Winnie: I'd say that's one of the biggest statements. 1733 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:06,560 Winnie: It was the last thing to reveal. 1734 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:07,640 Winnie: Yeah, I was going to get into that. 1735 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:07,760 Winnie: So 1736 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,480 Nicky: we find out that Karan is... 1737 00:58:11,740 --> 00:58:15,700 Nicky: He would have walked away because his father is like... 1738 00:58:15,780 --> 00:58:17,000 Nicky: what do you call capitalist crony, 1739 00:58:17,369 --> 00:58:17,460 Nicky: politician, 1740 00:58:17,849 --> 00:58:17,940 Nicky: whatever. 1741 00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:18,560 Adam: He just owns, 1742 00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:19,560 Adam: he's in this 1743 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:20,060 Nicky: military 1744 00:58:20,060 --> 00:58:20,980 Adam: industrial complex 1745 00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:22,579 Adam: and he's making money off these airplanes. 1746 00:58:22,940 --> 00:58:24,280 Nicky: So his father promised him 1747 00:58:24,329 --> 00:58:25,780 Nicky: that he could walk away scot-free 1748 00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:27,760 Nicky: if he could just name his friends 1749 00:58:28,060 --> 00:58:28,520 Nicky: and, you know, 1750 00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:30,740 Nicky: he'll get like a lighter sentence or something. 1751 00:58:30,970 --> 00:58:31,460 Nicky: And then like, 1752 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:32,280 Nicky: you know, 1753 00:58:32,290 --> 00:58:33,720 Nicky: you get this really emotional scene. 1754 00:58:33,790 --> 00:58:34,260 Nicky: At first, 1755 00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:35,980 Nicky: the first time we see this scene, 1756 00:58:36,050 --> 00:58:36,400 Nicky: they like, 1757 00:58:37,660 --> 00:58:38,960 Nicky: you didn't get to see how it ends, 1758 00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:42,840 Nicky: but then when the group is getting gunned down by the military, 1759 00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:46,900 Nicky: we find out that, like, he murders the dad. 1760 00:58:47,260 --> 00:58:49,100 Nicky: Like, he fucking shoots him with a gun, 1761 00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:51,280 Nicky: like, out, like, in cold blood. 1762 00:58:51,580 --> 00:58:53,500 Winnie: Like, literally, they're going in for a hug, 1763 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,940 Winnie: and then he takes a gun out and shoots him in the stomach, 1764 00:58:57,780 --> 00:58:58,400 Adam: which is so 1765 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,480 Winnie: radical for Indian families in general. 1766 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:01,620 Adam: Oh, yeah. 1767 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,060 Adam: I mean, not just killing your dad, but... 1768 00:59:06,620 --> 00:59:11,640 Adam: uh i never it was the biggest surprise for me i never expected to see this in any movie to be 1769 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:17,200 Adam: honest where like the the kid of like a rich guy realizes his dad is part of the problem 1770 00:59:17,860 --> 00:59:18,520 Adam: and shoots him 1771 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,240 Winnie: right instead of trying to like leverage it and take advantage of that 1772 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,740 Adam: yeah or even just feeling guilty he does take action what is 1773 00:59:25,740 --> 00:59:28,600 Khilli: more rare son shooting the dad or 1774 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,400 Khilli: son and dad hugging each other 1775 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:34,240 Winnie: oh 1776 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:34,640 Winnie: gosh 1777 00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:37,020 Winnie: every Asian person just 1778 00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:39,160 Winnie: that was something 1779 00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:39,780 Nicky: I craved 1780 00:59:39,860 --> 00:59:40,320 Nicky: that childhood 1781 00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:41,920 Nicky: I wish I could 1782 00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:44,580 Winnie: I wish I could be that close to my dad 1783 00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:46,320 Adam: as close as that guy is to shooting him 1784 00:59:46,340 --> 00:59:47,320 Adam: I wish I could be that close 1785 00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:47,440 Adam: but 1786 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,480 Winnie: now you guys know why our dad's never hugged you 1787 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,220 Winnie: he's always afraid you're gonna shoot him 1788 00:59:52,340 --> 00:59:53,620 Adam: why is dad approaching me 1789 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:54,900 Winnie: he's gonna kill me 1790 00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:01,220 Nicky: yeah uh so yeah they all get gunned down in the end i mean okay that didn't really happen but like 1791 01:00:01,279 --> 01:00:05,200 Nicky: they get gunned down right and they manage to send out the message and like 1792 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,279 Adam: but what is the message 1793 01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:08,339 Adam: can we drill down on that for a 1794 01:00:08,339 --> 01:00:11,900 Khilli: second adam you're the right person to do it none right 1795 01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:13,119 Adam: none none 1796 01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:18,500 Adam: yeah i mean what what are the what what they hijack a radio station to say what 1797 01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:19,340 Adam: Like, I honestly 1798 01:00:19,340 --> 01:00:19,580 Khilli: forget. 1799 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:25,700 Khilli: We will keep on doing, like, we joined the system to change the system from within. 1800 01:00:26,060 --> 01:00:26,260 Khilli: Sorry. 1801 01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:27,140 Khilli: That narrative. 1802 01:00:27,580 --> 01:00:27,840 Khilli: You're right. 1803 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,280 Adam: Actually, it's worse than none. 1804 01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:30,340 Adam: Sorry, you're right. 1805 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,780 Adam: So it's worse than, like, a pointless, stupid message. 1806 01:00:33,060 --> 01:00:37,760 Adam: What they say is, because the rich kid that killed his dad takes the mic and he's like, 1807 01:00:48,380 --> 01:00:48,480 Adam: hey... 1808 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:40,820 Adam: you know, 1809 01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:43,300 Adam: we are self-aware youth 1810 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,320 Adam: and we're coming to change the system, 1811 01:00:45,820 --> 01:00:47,960 Adam: but we're not going to do what I just did. 1812 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,480 Adam: We're all just going to infiltrate 1813 01:00:49,530 --> 01:00:50,920 Adam: and become police officers 1814 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,160 Adam: and become businessmen, I guess, 1815 01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:54,900 Adam: and enter into the government 1816 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,060 Adam: and change it from the inside. 1817 01:00:56,410 --> 01:00:57,600 Adam: Even though they, 1818 01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:58,640 Adam: throughout the whole movie, 1819 01:00:58,650 --> 01:00:59,920 Adam: have learned that that doesn't work, 1820 01:01:00,220 --> 01:01:04,119 Adam: And that they learned that direct action is the only thing that really gets anything done. 1821 01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:23,720 Adam: They then just directly neuter themselves and tell everyone that is inspired by them to not do what they did and to just become liberal subjects in a republic and just try to change the system from the inside, which you cannot do because those institutions just exist everywhere. 1822 01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:27,160 Adam: with express purposes to like kill or exploit or whatever. 1823 01:01:27,619 --> 01:01:32,140 Adam: And so that was the disappointing part was their messages useless. 1824 01:01:33,099 --> 01:01:33,839 Khilli: Wow, Adam. 1825 01:01:34,579 --> 01:01:35,119 Adam: Am I wrong? 1826 01:01:35,539 --> 01:01:36,799 Khilli: No, exactly. 1827 01:01:37,099 --> 01:01:37,520 Adam: Really? 1828 01:01:37,859 --> 01:01:41,119 Khilli: That's why I think, yeah, because... 1829 01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:43,200 Khilli: Yeah, I mean, like, what the hell? 1830 01:01:43,660 --> 01:01:45,420 Khilli: Like, you cannot change the system like that. 1831 01:01:45,579 --> 01:01:49,319 Adam: You don't fix the police office by becoming a police officer. 1832 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:49,960 Adam: You cannot. 1833 01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:51,819 Khilli: No, not police system, yeah. 1834 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,960 Adam: Like, yeah, so like that, you cannot change the army by becoming a soldier. 1835 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,420 Winnie: Guys, you cannot forget that people make institutions. 1836 01:01:59,520 --> 01:01:59,880 Adam: Correct. 1837 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,500 Winnie: So if you uphold the 1838 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,960 Adam: institutions, no matter what size you feel... 1839 01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:24,480 Winnie: But for a film to be endorsed by Bollywood, 1840 01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:26,160 Winnie: to receive such critical acclaim, 1841 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,640 Winnie: and to be able to pander to such a wide audience, 1842 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,260 Winnie: you need to find a centrist 1843 01:02:30,260 --> 01:02:31,740 Winnie: ground to 1844 01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:32,440 Winnie: portray that message. 1845 01:02:32,619 --> 01:02:33,579 Winnie: And this movie does that. 1846 01:02:33,579 --> 01:02:34,119 Winnie: And that's how it 1847 01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:34,539 Winnie: received 1848 01:02:34,539 --> 01:02:35,480 Winnie: so much critical acclaim. 1849 01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:39,559 Winnie: Or else it would have been too radical to promote on such a mainstream media. 1850 01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:43,819 Khilli: But there was one major... 1851 01:02:44,099 --> 01:02:49,799 Khilli: Not major, but a very weird movement going on after this... 1852 01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:56,800 Khilli: film came out which was like youth for equality which was kind of against the positive 1853 01:02:57,940 --> 01:03:03,620 Khilli: like positive reservation system that we have against the for caste-based reservation 1854 01:03:03,620 --> 01:03:04,140 Winnie: so 1855 01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:07,420 Winnie: basically affirmative action against affirmative action 1856 01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:09,320 Khilli: so what are happening was like this 1857 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,980 Khilli: reservation was being given to another layer of 1858 01:03:13,540 --> 01:03:19,000 Khilli: oppressed not oppressed like other backward cast like it was a huge thing that was happening and 1859 01:03:19,150 --> 01:03:23,720 Khilli: all the people all the politicians they could didn't let it happen and then like finally it 1860 01:03:23,780 --> 01:03:30,140 Khilli: was happening 2005 2006 after we in the education system after which the the surge of private 1861 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:35,680 Khilli: education sector was up in india to get keep the education anyway so 1862 01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:43,980 Khilli: That Youth for Equality movement, they used to have this kind of chats that, oh, let's kill this minister. 1863 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:57,560 Khilli: So even though the film didn't want to associate with certain things, but it kind of rang to people who comes from that problematic society. 1864 01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,160 Khilli: segment of the 1865 01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,380 Winnie: society and then 1866 01:03:59,380 --> 01:04:05,080 Khilli: yeah so it kind of happened for a bit so yeah so it kind of 1867 01:04:05,110 --> 01:04:06,080 Khilli: happened but yeah 1868 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,100 Adam: and then you can see with the current government of india everything got 1869 01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:09,520 Winnie: solved 1870 01:04:10,450 --> 01:04:14,100 Adam: it became super peaceful and it worked that the plan worked yeah yeah 1871 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:32,940 Winnie: You know, but I think this movie is very open to interpretation. It's subjective because the actions they take is very radical. They literally shoot someone who's in a position of power and then they say, join these institutions, right? But like, it's up to you to decide what you want to take from that. Maybe they cannot be as direct and bold with what they're trying to say, but their actions kind of show that. 1872 01:04:33,220 --> 01:04:42,660 Winnie: So actually, yeah, the actions that they take in the movie and the final messages that they preach on the radio station is a little bit at odds with one another. And I think that is just to kind of 1873 01:04:42,660 --> 01:04:43,400 Winnie: make it a 1874 01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,640 Winnie: little bit more subjective for you to just decide and make it more relatable 1875 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,280 Adam: for a wider audience, I think. 1876 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,760 Adam: So, Winnie, you're the only person that has this perspective. 1877 01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:57,520 Adam: And we're not going to give anything away, but you do work for larger institutions. 1878 01:04:57,940 --> 01:04:59,920 Adam: Is it possible to change it from the inside? 1879 01:04:59,930 --> 01:05:00,460 Adam: Absolutely not. 1880 01:05:00,830 --> 01:05:00,960 Adam: Okay. 1881 01:05:01,140 --> 01:05:01,380 Adam: Absolutely 1882 01:05:01,380 --> 01:05:01,780 Winnie: not. 1883 01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:07,620 Winnie: No, but my point is that when you start this kind of messaging, you need to make it relatable 1884 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,700 Winnie: to as wide of an audience as you can. 1885 01:05:09,830 --> 01:05:13,040 Winnie: And in doing so, you have to be strategic about how you portray that. 1886 01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:15,380 Winnie: And I think this movie does a wonderful job at that. 1887 01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:17,900 Winnie: And that's why it is so acclaimed the way that it is. 1888 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:18,080 Adam: Sure. 1889 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:19,340 Winnie: okay 1890 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:20,080 Adam: no but thanks 1891 01:05:20,140 --> 01:05:20,980 Adam: if I were a 1892 01:05:20,980 --> 01:05:21,300 Khilli: writer 1893 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:22,100 Khilli: I would not 1894 01:05:22,260 --> 01:05:23,260 Khilli: make them say anything 1895 01:05:24,180 --> 01:05:25,160 Khilli: like we just killed him 1896 01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:26,120 Khilli: because he was 1897 01:05:26,380 --> 01:05:26,820 Khilli: doing that 1898 01:05:27,660 --> 01:05:28,920 Khilli: you take a decision 1899 01:05:29,140 --> 01:05:29,820 Khilli: what you should do 1900 01:05:29,820 --> 01:05:30,060 Khilli: right but then 1901 01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:30,600 Winnie: but then you see 1902 01:05:30,740 --> 01:05:31,720 Winnie: when you just have 1903 01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:32,400 Winnie: that action alone 1904 01:05:32,580 --> 01:05:33,280 Winnie: look at what's happening 1905 01:05:33,420 --> 01:05:33,760 Winnie: with Luigi 1906 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:34,740 Winnie: he's literally facing 1907 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:35,380 Winnie: the death sentence 1908 01:05:35,620 --> 01:05:36,820 Winnie: that does not bode well 1909 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,780 Winnie: you need to kind of 1910 01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:38,580 Winnie: have a messaging 1911 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:39,920 Winnie: at the end that 1912 01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:42,680 Winnie: kind of almost simmers down that action in a way 1913 01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,860 Adam: to make it not you should not i'm 1914 01:05:45,860 --> 01:05:46,420 Winnie: saying like for 1915 01:05:46,450 --> 01:05:47,360 Winnie: it to be relatable 1916 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,660 Adam: well for it to be relatable for something 1917 01:05:51,660 --> 01:05:53,680 Khilli: like i don't see them very politically 1918 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,320 Khilli: bunch of kids to be honest in the film 1919 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:57,200 Winnie: like they did 1920 01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,140 Khilli: something huge because they were emotional 1921 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:05,100 Khilli: they they had their friends killed because of this uh corruption thing going on they took a very bold 1922 01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:09,060 Khilli: decision they sacrifice their life for that cause and everything 1923 01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:11,940 Khilli: but to change institution, 1924 01:06:12,210 --> 01:06:15,000 Khilli: to talk about the whole politics as a whole, 1925 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,040 Khilli: they were not, 1926 01:06:17,020 --> 01:06:18,320 Khilli: they were not informed enough. 1927 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:19,220 Winnie: Like they 1928 01:06:19,220 --> 01:06:20,320 Khilli: were like very shallow. 1929 01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:20,800 Khilli: And then, 1930 01:06:21,010 --> 01:06:21,320 Khilli: I mean, 1931 01:06:21,460 --> 01:06:23,340 Khilli: this one experience wouldn't change your knowledge. 1932 01:06:23,890 --> 01:06:27,900 Khilli: It might change your perspective and make you inspired to do stuff, 1933 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,400 Khilli: study and change things. 1934 01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:35,480 Khilli: But it didn't make you like very literate or very politically aware or very 1935 01:06:35,780 --> 01:06:36,120 Khilli: like a, 1936 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:36,240 Khilli: I guess, 1937 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:37,220 Khilli: I mean, 1938 01:06:37,290 --> 01:06:37,440 Khilli: a, 1939 01:06:38,020 --> 01:06:43,880 Khilli: figurehead like you know like I don't think that would happen because like look at the revolution 1940 01:06:43,940 --> 01:06:51,260 Khilli: in the parallel they were the the the filmmaker was drawing on they were heavily a literate like 1941 01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:55,400 Khilli: politically literate people there was a study political literature and 1942 01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:58,200 Khilli: They would plan, they would write manifesto for 1943 01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:58,799 Winnie: the party, 1944 01:06:58,950 --> 01:07:00,859 Khilli: they would do all these things. 1945 01:07:01,230 --> 01:07:05,680 Khilli: And then they've committed violence and also chose when to not commit violence. 1946 01:07:06,410 --> 01:07:09,779 Khilli: And these people were not that educated, 1947 01:07:10,099 --> 01:07:10,480 Adam: for sure. 1948 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:11,980 Adam: It brings up a good point. 1949 01:07:12,109 --> 01:07:17,460 Adam: I think if a white woman was in the past, I think those revolutionary leaders would have a holiday in their name. 1950 01:07:17,579 --> 01:07:21,279 Adam: Because they'd be a lot more powerful, a lot more knowledgeable 1951 01:07:21,279 --> 01:07:23,020 Nicky: and effective. 1952 01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:24,200 Nicky: Oh my god. 1953 01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:29,880 Nicky: shall we review the movie yeah let's do that we're 1954 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,380 Winnie: introducing a new segment 1955 01:07:32,579 --> 01:07:38,119 Adam: we may or may not continue please let us know in the comments how much you love 1956 01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,500 Adam: the system but you have to use our own rating system to judge this 1957 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:46,760 Adam: segment we have a rating system based on five different things 1958 01:07:47,860 --> 01:07:51,140 Adam: Number one, the staircase movement did have a big surprise. 1959 01:07:51,630 --> 01:07:54,540 Adam: A dance floor clause was their dancing. 1960 01:07:55,220 --> 01:07:56,760 Adam: Three, family feud factor. 1961 01:07:58,020 --> 01:07:59,220 Adam: Four, regional spice. 1962 01:07:59,230 --> 01:08:01,820 Adam: And five, were there emotional extremes? 1963 01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:08,520 Adam: There's a bonus point for a broader moral message, but we're going to get into this 1964 01:08:09,539 --> 01:08:10,440 Adam: step by step. 1965 01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:12,059 Adam: So staircase moment. 1966 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,599 Adam: Nikki, I think you touched on it. 1967 01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:15,059 Adam: What was yours? 1968 01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,000 Nicky: The first one would be, you know, 1969 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,080 Nicky: Ajay dying, basically, 1970 01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:22,020 Nicky: from the plane scandal. 1971 01:08:22,540 --> 01:08:24,359 Nicky: But the bigger staircase moment for me 1972 01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:26,560 Nicky: would be that they end up 1973 01:08:27,699 --> 01:08:28,580 Nicky: killing the minister 1974 01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:31,440 Nicky: and getting killed at the radio station. 1975 01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:33,920 Nicky: It's just like, you know, 1976 01:08:33,940 --> 01:08:34,140 Nicky: it just 1977 01:08:34,140 --> 01:08:34,699 Winnie: takes you by 1978 01:08:34,699 --> 01:08:34,940 Nicky: surprise. 1979 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,219 Nicky: That moment right there 1980 01:08:37,330 --> 01:08:38,500 Nicky: took a left turn for me. 1981 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,799 Nicky: I was like, okay, I did not see that coming. 1982 01:08:42,380 --> 01:08:44,140 Nicky: I guess you all agree, right? 1983 01:08:44,580 --> 01:08:47,600 Winnie: I think my biggest staircase moment, though, was when he shot his dad. 1984 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,160 Winnie: I would not expect that from most Bollywood movies. 1985 01:08:50,380 --> 01:08:52,540 Winnie: I feel like we're supposed to treat our parents like God. 1986 01:08:52,779 --> 01:08:54,859 Winnie: That is definitely quite a statement in itself. 1987 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:56,680 Adam: That's pretty big. 1988 01:08:56,819 --> 01:08:57,060 Adam: Yeah. 1989 01:08:58,759 --> 01:09:05,140 Adam: I just like the killing the politician because if you blink, you will miss it. 1990 01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:08,240 Winnie: super quick. 1991 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:09,080 Winnie: There wasn't 1992 01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:10,080 Adam: really any buildup, 1993 01:09:10,180 --> 01:09:12,359 Adam: but if you had to go take a piss 1994 01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:13,960 Adam: or something, you would have missed that they just 1995 01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,340 Adam: bodied this politician on the 1996 01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:18,280 Adam: street. So yeah, that was my 1997 01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:20,320 Adam: staircase moment. Now, my big 1998 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,400 Adam: issue with this movie, Dance Floor 1999 01:09:35,100 --> 01:09:35,580 Winnie: Claws... 2000 01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:24,980 Adam: Were there any musical numbers? 2001 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,299 Nicky: See, this is what I'm telling you. 2002 01:09:27,299 --> 01:09:28,859 Nicky: We didn't talk about it because you know why? 2003 01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:30,500 Nicky: Because I don't remember any of it. 2004 01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:33,180 Winnie: Yeah, and this is so crazy because A.R. Raman 2005 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,520 Winnie: was the musical composer of this movie. 2006 01:09:36,140 --> 01:09:37,660 Khilli: And all the songs were banger. 2007 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:39,520 Khilli: Yeah, and he's 2008 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:40,299 Winnie: like Indian Mozart. 2009 01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:41,259 Winnie: He is 2010 01:09:41,259 --> 01:09:41,640 Khilli: so 2011 01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:42,040 Nicky: widely 2012 01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:42,600 Winnie: acclaimed. 2013 01:09:42,819 --> 01:09:47,119 Nicky: There were a couple, like, they were dancing at the heritage site again. 2014 01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:48,440 Nicky: They were, like, jumping down the 2015 01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:48,819 Khilli: waterfall. 2016 01:09:49,559 --> 01:09:50,380 Winnie: There was, like, a scene like that. 2017 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:51,859 Winnie: And then the song Rang De Basanti itself. 2018 01:09:51,900 --> 01:09:52,520 Winnie: Rang De Basanti 2019 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,400 Khilli: itself had some dance because they were going to, like, a fair. 2020 01:09:57,139 --> 01:10:03,280 Khilli: And where there were, like, people in the traditional Sikh Punjabi, like, some cultural races. 2021 01:10:03,679 --> 01:10:04,920 Khilli: And then they were dancing. 2022 01:10:05,460 --> 01:10:12,780 Khilli: But it was not a massive dance number that Bollywood brings in where the main characters go and dance a lot 2023 01:10:12,780 --> 01:10:13,460 Winnie: randomly. 2024 01:10:13,890 --> 01:10:14,679 Khilli: That didn't happen. 2025 01:10:15,460 --> 01:10:17,340 Khilli: But yeah, the music was a banger. 2026 01:10:17,429 --> 01:10:19,000 Khilli: The music was super hit. 2027 01:10:19,420 --> 01:10:23,239 Khilli: And a lot of the songs they didn't use in a whole... 2028 01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:24,700 Khilli: in the film 2029 01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:26,040 Khilli: they are in the 2030 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:26,520 Khilli: like a track 2031 01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:27,560 Khilli: released separately 2032 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:28,500 Khilli: yeah 2033 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:29,420 Khilli: but yeah 2034 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:30,280 Adam: so F 2035 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:31,340 Adam: F minus 2036 01:10:32,420 --> 01:10:32,900 Adam: dance 2037 01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:33,380 Khilli: number 2038 01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:34,720 Khilli: no not F minus 2039 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:35,180 Khilli: F 2040 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:36,120 Adam: F plus 2041 01:10:36,620 --> 01:10:37,140 Adam: two of the 2042 01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:37,400 Winnie: songs 2043 01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:37,800 Winnie: in this movie 2044 01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:38,800 Winnie: received nominations 2045 01:10:39,140 --> 01:10:40,120 Winnie: for like the best music 2046 01:10:40,180 --> 01:10:41,360 Winnie: in Academy Awards 2047 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:42,360 Winnie: or something 2048 01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:43,020 Khilli: neither of 2049 01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:43,540 Winnie: them won 2050 01:10:43,660 --> 01:10:44,640 Winnie: but like that's how 2051 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:45,660 Winnie: renowned it is 2052 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:46,740 Winnie: these songs were like 2053 01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:47,800 Winnie: super hit 2054 01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:48,640 Khilli: this was like 2055 01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:51,380 Khilli: peak of Ehrman's 2056 01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:52,199 Khilli: career, like, you know, 2057 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,699 Khilli: this film, songs were, like, 2058 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,100 Khilli: well-received by everyone 2059 01:10:57,340 --> 01:10:58,620 Khilli: in the spectrum of music. 2060 01:10:58,620 --> 01:10:59,699 Khilli: They should have had the white lady 2061 01:10:59,699 --> 01:11:01,179 Adam: sing, and I think I would have remembered 2062 01:11:01,270 --> 01:11:03,080 Adam: it more. Like, if the white lady 2063 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,300 Adam: was like, hey, you can sing too, and then, you know, 2064 01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:07,120 Adam: she's like, I don't know, I'm nervous, and then she 2065 01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:09,140 Adam: ends up, like, you know, dancing with, like, 2066 01:11:09,420 --> 01:11:10,360 Adam: With the garb. 2067 01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:12,260 Winnie: Teardrops on my guitar. 2068 01:11:12,370 --> 01:11:12,860 Winnie: I love the 2069 01:11:12,860 --> 01:11:13,000 Khilli: song. 2070 01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:15,100 Winnie: Yeah, it was like an Alayas Morissette 2071 01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:15,380 Adam: cover. 2072 01:11:15,409 --> 01:11:16,179 Adam: That would have been nice. 2073 01:11:16,659 --> 01:11:22,060 Khilli: I love the song when Ajay dies and the news comes to her mother. 2074 01:11:22,340 --> 01:11:24,440 Khilli: That time the song was playing on the background. 2075 01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:26,640 Khilli: And that song was like really emotional. 2076 01:11:26,710 --> 01:11:28,100 Khilli: It was one of my favorite songs. 2077 01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:29,679 Khilli: It's kind of a happy sad song. 2078 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:30,660 Winnie: like 2079 01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:31,320 Adam: yeah 2080 01:11:31,700 --> 01:11:32,940 Khilli: that song is really cool 2081 01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:33,700 Adam: we 2082 01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:33,900 Khilli: are not 2083 01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:34,960 Khilli: scoring on 2084 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:35,280 Adam: songs 2085 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:35,800 Adam: background songs 2086 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:36,880 Khilli: do not count 2087 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:37,560 Khilli: yeah we are not 2088 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:38,440 Khilli: scoring on songs 2089 01:11:38,660 --> 01:11:39,520 Khilli: we are music number 2090 01:11:39,620 --> 01:11:40,000 Khilli: we are not 2091 01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:41,120 Khilli: scoring on music number 2092 01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:42,600 Khilli: we are scoring on 2093 01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:43,760 Khilli: dance numbers right 2094 01:11:43,820 --> 01:11:44,480 Winnie: like both 2095 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:45,540 Winnie: and there's not even 2096 01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:46,420 Winnie: a credit scene 2097 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:47,600 Winnie: everything goes in 2098 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:47,860 Winnie: hand 2099 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:49,200 Winnie: it's like song and dance 2100 01:11:49,420 --> 01:11:50,000 Winnie: I think maybe 2101 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:51,160 Winnie: the songs in this movie 2102 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:51,920 Winnie: were more meaningful 2103 01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:52,460 Winnie: maybe you have to 2104 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:53,160 Winnie: understand the lyrics 2105 01:11:53,460 --> 01:11:53,840 Winnie: to get it 2106 01:11:53,980 --> 01:11:54,600 Winnie: maybe it's not like 2107 01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:55,920 Winnie: as upbeat and fun 2108 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:56,940 Winnie: like other Bollywood movies 2109 01:11:57,180 --> 01:11:57,860 Winnie: where even people 2110 01:11:57,860 --> 01:11:58,600 Winnie: who don't understand it 2111 01:11:58,600 --> 01:11:59,980 Winnie: can just like vibe 2112 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:00,800 Winnie: to it because it's upbeat. 2113 01:12:01,300 --> 01:12:03,640 Adam: He should have had an airplane song singing in the airplane 2114 01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:04,480 Adam: before he dies. 2115 01:12:05,220 --> 01:12:07,640 Adam: He should have had a shooting your dad's 2116 01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:08,500 Adam: protest song. 2117 01:12:09,300 --> 01:12:10,460 Winnie: There's a million different things they 2118 01:12:10,460 --> 01:12:10,680 Winnie: could 2119 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:11,060 Adam: have done. 2120 01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:13,500 Adam: They did have that one musical montage when they are 2121 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,360 Adam: engaged. I remember that. 2122 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,100 Khilli: That's it. And it was boring. 2123 01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:17,960 Khilli: And then he died. 2124 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,300 Khilli: If you are scoring a musical number, 2125 01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:23,520 Khilli: I'll pretty much score it high. 2126 01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,740 Khilli: But if it's a dance number, I will not score. 2127 01:12:26,139 --> 01:12:26,540 Adam: I'm gonna repeat 2128 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,159 Adam: this is a dance floor clause 2129 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:28,960 Adam: yeah 2130 01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:29,579 Adam: was there at least 2131 01:12:29,739 --> 01:12:30,119 Adam: one memorable 2132 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:31,340 Adam: musical number 2133 01:12:31,739 --> 01:12:32,320 Adam: you see like 2134 01:12:32,340 --> 01:12:33,619 Adam: I remember 2135 01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:34,760 Nicky: all these things 2136 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:35,719 Nicky: that are happening 2137 01:12:36,020 --> 01:12:36,599 Nicky: like when the dance 2138 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:37,179 Nicky: numbers come 2139 01:12:37,260 --> 01:12:38,500 Nicky: I cannot for the life of me 2140 01:12:38,599 --> 01:12:39,780 Nicky: remember how any 2141 01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:41,119 Nicky: of the songs go man 2142 01:12:41,599 --> 01:12:42,719 Nicky: I don't remember it 2143 01:12:42,780 --> 01:12:43,159 Nicky: I just 2144 01:12:43,500 --> 01:12:43,920 Winnie: I just cannot 2145 01:12:44,139 --> 01:12:44,920 Nicky: I tried so hard 2146 01:12:55,679 --> 01:12:55,780 Nicky: like 2147 01:12:45,739 --> 01:12:49,460 Nicky: I mean, even like India Wale from Happy New Year is still in my head. 2148 01:12:49,580 --> 01:12:50,060 Adam: Oh my god. 2149 01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,540 Adam: And you just got it in mine too. 2150 01:12:52,020 --> 01:12:53,340 Adam: But you know what you do remember, Nikki? 2151 01:12:53,719 --> 01:12:54,940 Adam: Family feud factor. 2152 01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:57,620 Nicky: Yeah, there's a lot of that, right? 2153 01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:58,320 Winnie: Name one. 2154 01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:00,500 Nicky: The Muslim family. 2155 01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:02,460 Winnie: That's a good one. 2156 01:13:02,739 --> 01:13:04,520 Winnie: Okay, I was going to go for the shooting the dad one. 2157 01:13:04,940 --> 01:13:05,739 Winnie: Too obvious. 2158 01:13:06,020 --> 01:13:06,500 Nicky: Too obvious. 2159 01:13:07,820 --> 01:13:08,179 Winnie: Yeah, 2160 01:13:08,460 --> 01:13:10,800 Nicky: like, you know, I mean, they... 2161 01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:17,639 Nicky: Muslims and Hindus they don't go get along and you know uh bad influence like you know that family 2162 01:13:17,730 --> 01:13:22,480 Nicky: was like you know telling the the rest of the group like you don't know what you're getting him 2163 01:13:22,650 --> 01:13:28,119 Nicky: into because like he gets hurt and like they're dragging him down with them and stuff like that 2164 01:13:28,150 --> 01:13:29,500 Nicky: and you know uh 2165 01:13:30,260 --> 01:13:34,120 Nicky: their religion is like different from theirs and they shouldn't be getting along there's like that 2166 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,040 Nicky: kind of conflict 2167 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:40,720 Khilli: but also they they kind of be brought up on a very important factor that kind of 2168 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:47,680 Khilli: more true in today's day so they were saying like oh we this country doesn't treat us well 2169 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:52,280 Khilli: that was their point of saying that you know like this country doesn't treat us well 2170 01:13:53,020 --> 01:13:55,640 Khilli: don't meddle with these people because you will be in danger 2171 01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,760 Adam: i was gonna ask you guys um 2172 01:13:58,239 --> 01:13:59,800 Adam: Yeah, which religion do you think is better? 2173 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,020 Winnie: In this current political context, Brave. 2174 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:04,840 Winnie: No, I'm 2175 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:05,060 Adam: kidding. 2176 01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:05,420 Adam: Next. 2177 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:08,340 Winnie: It was like 2178 01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:09,480 Khilli: a quiet moment. 2179 01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,580 Khilli: It's like an hysterical moment of the podcast. 2180 01:14:12,940 --> 01:14:13,739 Adam: Everything 2181 01:14:13,739 --> 01:14:14,900 Khilli: becomes so gloomy. 2182 01:14:17,780 --> 01:14:19,100 Adam: Regional spice level. 2183 01:14:27,719 --> 01:14:27,880 Khilli: Hmm. 2184 01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:23,240 Adam: Did it feel culturally or regionally specific? 2185 01:14:23,780 --> 01:14:24,880 Adam: This was in Mumbai, right? 2186 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:25,600 Khilli: No, Delhi. 2187 01:14:26,620 --> 01:14:30,160 Khilli: So, no, I like the Sikh culture it showed. 2188 01:14:30,580 --> 01:14:31,960 Khilli: I like the... 2189 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,800 Khilli: Because, yeah, because Punjab is next to Delhi. 2190 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:37,440 Khilli: And, yeah. 2191 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:39,520 Winnie: Definitely culturally significant. 2192 01:14:39,699 --> 01:14:41,780 Winnie: It goes into the history of some of the biggest 2193 01:14:42,020 --> 01:14:43,020 Winnie: movements of the country. 2194 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,760 Adam: Did it feel like real college life? 2195 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,880 Adam: Did it feel like real Hindi? 2196 01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:51,860 Adam: I feel like Kaylee's 2197 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,420 Adam: the only guy that can answer this one. 2198 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,180 Adam: I don't know what we would contribute 2199 01:14:55,180 --> 01:14:55,320 Khilli: to that. 2200 01:14:55,620 --> 01:14:59,620 Khilli: It had a flavor of real college vibe. 2201 01:14:59,820 --> 01:14:59,960 Adam: Like, 2202 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,040 Khilli: definitely more than three idiots. 2203 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:03,120 Khilli: And I think as a white 2204 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,200 Adam: guy, I think the white lady acted like an appropriate white lady. 2205 01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,580 Adam: So I'm going to go five on the regional spice level. 2206 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,640 Adam: She thought the yogurt was too spicy, and so I thought that was pretty 2207 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:12,900 Winnie: accurate. 2208 01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:14,480 Winnie: And she cries, which is what white women do. 2209 01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:14,880 Winnie: Yeah, and 2210 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:15,620 Adam: that's what white women do. 2211 01:15:15,699 --> 01:15:16,719 Adam: So I think it's pretty accurate. 2212 01:15:17,620 --> 01:15:26,140 Nicky: I don't know if this counts for the category, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that for most Thai people, they're not aware of such movements. 2213 01:15:27,260 --> 01:15:30,100 Nicky: So I think that worked for me, the revolution. 2214 01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:30,840 Nicky: movement 2215 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,780 Khilli: yeah it worked for you for me like it gave 2216 01:15:33,780 --> 01:15:35,880 Nicky: me some awareness exactly that way 2217 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:36,600 Khilli: yeah of 2218 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:37,980 Khilli: course just by watching it like yeah 2219 01:15:37,980 --> 01:15:38,400 Adam: i 2220 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,940 Nicky: have a basic understanding but you'll get a basic 2221 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,440 Nicky: understanding just watching that that's true i 2222 01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:44,980 Adam: didn't know any of this honestly going in 2223 01:15:45,660 --> 01:15:49,620 Adam: yeah uh last one emotional extremes yeah for 2224 01:15:49,620 --> 01:15:50,600 Winnie: sure yeah 2225 01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,200 Winnie: yeah america 2226 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,680 Adam: does very good eye work 2227 01:15:55,719 --> 01:15:57,860 Adam: like when he's like a young college, 2228 01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:58,640 Adam: not young, 2229 01:15:58,780 --> 01:15:59,920 Adam: he's like five years graduated, 2230 01:16:00,060 --> 01:16:01,440 Adam: but he's always like a 30 year old. 2231 01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:02,780 Adam: But when he, 2232 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,239 Adam: but he does have like a playful, 2233 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:04,820 Adam: you know, 2234 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:05,780 Adam: like flirty vibe. 2235 01:16:05,860 --> 01:16:06,540 Adam: But at the end, 2236 01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:08,159 Adam: when he's like locked in the radio station, 2237 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:09,540 Adam: his eyes are very good. 2238 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:10,820 Adam: He has a good eye actor. 2239 01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:12,360 Adam: And like, 2240 01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,400 Adam: He looks like he hasn't slept. 2241 01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,180 Adam: He looks like he's all stressed out, like he's about to cry. 2242 01:16:17,540 --> 01:16:20,560 Adam: He does do well with emotional extremes, 2243 01:16:20,820 --> 01:16:22,980 Adam: and he carries that pretty well, I got to say. 2244 01:16:23,300 --> 01:16:28,640 Adam: It's believable when you see him looking like an action hero at the end 2245 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,580 Adam: from being a college loser. 2246 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:31,760 Winnie: I 2247 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:32,380 Adam: like that. 2248 01:16:32,620 --> 01:16:34,140 Adam: I think the characters handled that pretty well. 2249 01:16:34,540 --> 01:16:40,300 Khilli: Also, that scene where he was eating food and suddenly burst out 2250 01:16:40,599 --> 01:16:42,219 Khilli: in tear because he was holding back 2251 01:16:42,540 --> 01:16:44,119 Khilli: all the emotions for a long time 2252 01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:46,360 Khilli: and then he comes back from the hospital 2253 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,219 Khilli: after when like 2254 01:16:48,460 --> 01:16:50,540 Khilli: Ajay's mother is in coma and then 2255 01:16:51,159 --> 01:16:52,199 Khilli: Su brings him food 2256 01:16:52,290 --> 01:16:54,139 Khilli: and he starts eating and then he's like 2257 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,480 Khilli: totally quiet, not talking and then suddenly 2258 01:16:57,059 --> 01:16:58,480 Khilli: while eating bursts out 2259 01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:06,980 Khilli: in tears and it was a very good contrast with how he was eating in his mother's restaurant 2260 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:16,239 Khilli: and making faces while eating and stuff like that and then it was a good contrast of his journey that okay this 2261 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:18,060 Khilli: this youthful dude 2262 01:17:18,450 --> 01:17:19,420 Khilli: who didn't give a flying 2263 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:21,480 Khilli: about anything. 2264 01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:22,820 Khilli: The one time you don't swear. 2265 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,520 Adam: I was like, 2266 01:17:26,780 --> 01:17:27,520 Adam: why are you 2267 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:28,200 Nicky: censoring? 2268 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:28,920 Nicky: You brought that one time 2269 01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:29,820 Winnie: and I was like, why? 2270 01:17:30,660 --> 01:17:31,700 Adam: What now? 2271 01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:35,000 Winnie: Alright, was there a 2272 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:35,260 Adam: broader 2273 01:17:35,470 --> 01:17:36,000 Adam: moral message? 2274 01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:37,620 Winnie: Oh, absolutely right. 2275 01:17:38,220 --> 01:17:39,620 Adam: It was called sell out, 2276 01:17:40,140 --> 01:17:41,100 Adam: be part of the system, 2277 01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:42,100 Adam: and things will 2278 01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:42,560 Winnie: work out. 2279 01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:46,680 Khilli: Yeah. 2280 01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:45,179 Adam: What was the moral message? 2281 01:17:45,989 --> 01:17:50,239 Khilli: Kill a politician and then ask other people to join the system. 2282 01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:52,860 Winnie: Hold people accountable and then join those systems. 2283 01:17:53,980 --> 01:17:54,380 Khilli: Great 2284 01:17:54,380 --> 01:17:55,340 Adam: moral message. 2285 01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:56,300 Winnie: We 2286 01:17:56,300 --> 01:17:56,940 Adam: all have different 2287 01:17:56,940 --> 01:17:57,420 Khilli: messages. 2288 01:17:57,969 --> 01:17:58,600 Khilli: Yeah, it's good. 2289 01:17:58,820 --> 01:17:59,620 Khilli: Yeah, it's open 2290 01:17:59,620 --> 01:18:00,159 Adam: to interpretation. 2291 01:18:01,739 --> 01:18:02,360 Adam: So what do you think? 2292 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:13,880 Winnie: Overall... 2293 01:18:05,540 --> 01:18:06,139 Adam: out of the movie 2294 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:07,400 Adam: 4 out of 5 2295 01:18:07,900 --> 01:18:09,320 Adam: they hit 4 out of the 5 points we 2296 01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:09,619 Khilli: had 2297 01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:11,239 Khilli: yeah so what was the score? 2298 01:18:11,739 --> 01:18:12,800 Adam: I mean there's no dance 2299 01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:14,420 Winnie: it's a 4 for me 2300 01:18:15,219 --> 01:18:16,960 Winnie: I'd say it's a strong 4 for me 2301 01:18:17,139 --> 01:18:17,760 Winnie: it's a strong 4 2302 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:21,139 Winnie: all right all 2303 01:18:21,139 --> 01:18:21,760 Speaker 7: in agreement 2304 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:22,420 Speaker 7: 4 stairs 2305 01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:23,820 Khilli: we give it 4 2306 01:18:23,820 --> 01:18:24,280 Speaker 7: stairs 2307 01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:26,639 Speaker 7: we give it 4 stairs 2308 01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:29,059 Adam: that only can break your arm 2309 01:18:29,260 --> 01:18:29,840 Nicky: not a neck 2310 01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:32,340 Nicky: Pretty safe. 2311 01:18:32,740 --> 01:18:35,640 Nicky: If it was five, it was so good that we end up dying. 2312 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:38,840 Nicky: That's true. 2313 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:40,280 Nicky: The stairs aren't long enough for 2314 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:40,440 Adam: that. 2315 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,340 Adam: So we will be back next week with minimal injuries. 2316 01:18:45,020 --> 01:18:46,540 Adam: The film next week is Dostana. 2317 01:18:48,420 --> 01:18:49,620 Adam: Which is a very exciting movie. 2318 01:18:49,860 --> 01:18:51,000 Adam: I'm excited to talk about it. 2319 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,000 Adam: It's just in time for 2320 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:52,640 Nicky: Pride Month. 2321 01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:53,960 Nicky: Pride Month in Bangkok. 2322 01:18:54,540 --> 01:18:57,200 Nicky: Which is also a very significant moment this year. 2323 01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:00,360 Nicky: Because it's the first time that they're hosting it. 2324 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,080 Nicky: When the marriage equality law comes into effect. 2325 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:04,240 Nicky: Yes. 2326 01:19:04,930 --> 01:19:05,320 Winnie: Perfect timing. 2327 01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:05,760 Winnie: Right. 2328 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:05,980 Winnie: Yeah. 2329 01:19:06,230 --> 01:19:06,340 Winnie: Perfect. 2330 01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:06,880 Winnie: Stay tuned. 2331 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:07,980 Nicky: Bye. 2332 01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:08,720 Nicky: Bye. 2333 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:30,520 Nicky: Bye.