Winnie: Welcome to Desi Films Decoded, the podcast where four friends from different backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema.
Winnie: I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India.
Khilli: We have gone a few real stairs.
Khilli: You didn't say real stairs, you said Desi Films
Decoded.
Winnie: I was so proud of doing it without looking at my notes app.
Winnie: You
Adam: just got the whole name of the podcast wrong,
Adam: but everything else is spot on.
Winnie: -
Winnie: Welcome
Winnie: to Fear of Sairs, Desi Films Decoded, the podcast where four friends from different backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema.
Winnie: I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India.
Khilli: Hi, I'm Killy, who admires Karan Jehor's film a lot.
Nicky: I'm Nikki. I occasionally like rom-com films.
Adam: I'm Adam, the Western film buff, and
Adam: after watching this movie I learned that Mao was right and cultural revolutions are necessary sometimes.
Nicky: So today we're doing like a Netflix film of all things, which you know what that means.
Adam: High top quality, good writing, good acting, good cinematography, a lot of care being put into it.
Nicky: And that film is a very recent one called Nadania.
Adam: Nadania.
Nicky: Nadania.
Nicky: Yeah.
Nicky: It's a teen rom-com in the year 2025, which feels like a movie that was made in...
Nicky: 2003
Nicky: Like a
Adam: She's All That era
Adam: type romcom
Nicky: I'm in disbelief that such a thing exists today
Nicky: and I don't know about you guys
Nicky: but watching the movie
Nicky: was like eating
Nicky: wet cardboard
Nicky: it's just super but you can
Adam: get nutrients out of wet
Adam: cardboard
Adam: like
Adam: maybe like very little
Adam: but that's more than this movie maybe who's the director do you remember i don't
Adam: remember
Winnie: but producer is karen joe her yeah i
Khilli: have i i have a feeling that the director was 17 when
Khilli: around 2002 2003 so that's that's what she remembers being seven i mean absolutely i like
Khilli: that you assume
Winnie: the gender the gender of the director is a woman
Khilli: I
Khilli: know.
Khilli: It is?
Khilli: Yeah.
Khilli: Yeah, it is.
Khilli: I forgot the name.
Nicky: Well,
Nicky: yeah, it's your typical...
Nicky: I think
Adam: they forgot they were directing a film,
Nicky: too.
Nicky: It's okay.
Nicky: It's like, this is what kids do.
Nicky: But yeah, this is a very forgettable rom-com.
Nicky: You have your usual two opposite characters getting into some...
Nicky: shenanigans
Nicky: and then them falling in love
Nicky: and there's your usual misunderstanding
Nicky: at the later
Nicky: part of the film.
Nicky: I don't know how...
Nicky: Well, we should
Adam: explain why we chose this movie.
Adam: But before that,
Adam: because we have some time,
Adam: we're starting an hour late
Adam: because what were you guys doing?
Nicky: Oh.
Adam: Which is nice. I don't know. We should talk about it.
Nicky: I just went to a Japanese onsen.
Adam: Okay.
Adam: Just to
Nicky: relax.
Winnie: I just went to get a massage to try to cure my office syndrome back
Adam: So this is nice like this is you know, I hope that went well. How was the spa? I'm kind of envious
Nicky: Well, it got a little stressful because I knew it was running away
Nicky: Because you did confirm
Adam: four o'clock
Adam: I think it
Adam: was a whole hour late
Nicky: And then at four o'clock said
Adam: I'm leaving. I'm at the onsen right now
Nicky: I you know, I thought I had everything under control, but then my friend was in town and
Nicky: He's from Canada.
Nicky: He wanted to explore things he missed in Thailand.
Nicky: I thought I could squeeze in all these things before four,
Nicky: but then I kind of got lost in the sauna.
Adam: Wait, was there more than the onsen that you did with this guy?
Winnie: Wait, what?
Winnie: No, I mean, you
Adam: said he wanted to do activities and stuff.
Nicky: He wanted to go to Chinatown, but then I told him,
Nicky: yeah, if you didn't know, I got this podcast for...
Nicky: with with my few friends it was like what's about i was like it's it's on indian movies and he's
Nicky: like hmm yeah that's
Winnie: kind of the reaction i tend to get oh
Nicky: cool
but
Winnie: honestly at this point if we
Winnie: say four i kind of know we're gonna start at five we're running on indian time which is i think
Winnie: pretty appropriate since we're doing a podcast about indian movies sure
Adam: fine
Adam: i'll say three
Adam: next time no i just i just want to know how the onsen went so it was
Nicky: relaxing it's not my first
Nicky: rodeo i mean yeah there for like
Nicky: a few years.
Nicky: Your Canadian friend
Adam: misses those?
Nicky: He's never been
Nicky: to a Japanese onsens
Nicky: of all the things.
Nicky: And now he's going to
Nicky: develop a new personality
Nicky: when he goes back
Nicky: to Toronto.
Nicky: He'll be like,
Nicky: you ever been to one
Nicky: of those Japanese onsens?
Nicky: It's a
Adam: great first date place.
Winnie: And then he's going to
Winnie: talk about how he only
Winnie: spent 20 bucks
Winnie: on a new one.
Winnie: And you could spend a whole day there.
Nicky: Is there not
Adam: onsens in, like, Toronto?
Winnie: I never saw one.
Winnie: I've seen New York.
Nicky: He did tell me there are, but I guess he never had, like, buddies
Adam: to go with.
Winnie: A massage, at minimum, would cost 60, 70 bucks in Rochester.
Adam: But the onsens is just hot water.
Adam: And, like, for a place that snows, that would be incredible.
Nicky: Well, it's not just hot water.
Nicky: You have, like, a bunch of, like, pools.
Nicky: Like, pools that are set at different temperatures.
Nicky: So, like, you'll have, like, a cold bath at one end where you...
Nicky: like zero degrees.
Nicky: Why?
Nicky: Just to, you know,
Nicky: for the cold baths,
Nicky: it would be more like,
Nicky: you know, relaxing your body
Nicky: sort of thing.
Nicky: And then when you go,
Nicky: and then there's like the hot water,
Nicky: there's like a jet stream bath
Nicky: and then another one
Nicky: is like a signature bath
Nicky: where they throw in
Nicky: like all sorts of like salts
Nicky: and water.
Nicky: and nutrients
Nicky: and
Winnie: there's an outdoor area
Winnie: where you can just sit
Winnie: and relax
Winnie: under the sun
Winnie: there's a
Nicky: steam room
Nicky: yeah
Nicky: a tea bath
Nicky: a restaurant
Adam: a restaurant
Adam: yeah you can
Winnie: wear
Winnie: a yukata
Winnie: and just like
Winnie: there's a sleeping room
Winnie: as well
Winnie: you said yukata
Winnie: is it correct
Winnie: it's correct
Winnie: oh yes
Winnie: because
Nicky: my friend was like
Nicky: when are we going to
Nicky: wear those kimonos
Nicky: and I'm thinking to myself
Nicky: I don't want to correct
Nicky: this man right now
Nicky: it's not a kimono
Nicky: it's a yukata
Adam: this stupid pleb
Adam: doesn't know
Adam: what he's talking about
Adam: it's a very Japanese
Nicky: thing I guess
Have
Winnie: you guys not gone to the
Winnie: I've gone to that
Adam: one
Adam: I really like it
Winnie: Oh okay yeah
Winnie: So for the men's section
Winnie: You have to be completely naked
Winnie: The women's
Adam: you don't?
Winnie: No they give you like
Winnie: A little like a tube top
Winnie: Oh
Winnie: Yeah I mean it's still
Winnie: Kind of see through
Winnie: But you're not fully exposed
Winnie: Nice
Winnie: Yeah
Adam: Nikki was it weird
Adam: Going there with your friend
Nicky: No
Nicky: I feel like I've seen all of my
Nicky: Arcadian friends
Adam: Not mine
Adam: I've never been to an onsen with you
Adam: Unless I'm not aware of it
Adam: I've seen
Nicky: Tim
Nicky: I've seen Larry's
Nicky: You don't have to list
Adam: it
Nicky: They just got so
Adam: name blasted
Winnie: I'm just like naming people
Winnie: And then review each of them
Adam: You can't help
Winnie: but look
Nicky: Can I get some
Adam: dick ratings on each of them
Yeah that's
Nicky: not happening
Nicky: You have to pay for the onsen
Nicky: Yeah for the Patreon
Nicky: You'll hear
Adam: dick ratings of our friends
Nicky: Keely you're the only one
Nicky: Keely and Adam's the only one left I haven't seen
Nicky: Fear of stairs
Nicky: I'll keep that as long as possible
Adam: Have you been to the onsen Keely?
Adam: No never heard
Adam: Yeah, we should go.
Adam: We should take a field trip.
Adam: I've gone
Khilli: to onsen, like a hot spring.
Khilli: Yeah.
Khilli: Not Japanese onsen, like
hot
Adam: springs.
Winnie: It's a really good way to spend the entire day.
Nicky: Oh, your body just feels like it's gone through some rebirth.
Nicky: Refresh.
Adam: But it was crowded.
Adam: It's kind of tough when it's crowded.
Winnie: Yeah, Sundays are the most crowded.
Winnie: but like if you can go on a weekday
Winnie: it's pretty good
do
Adam: you get the passes
Adam: like the monthly
uh
Nicky: I have a monthly pass
Nicky: I have like a
Nicky: I only buy vouchers
Nicky: yeah
Nicky: which gives you like
Nicky: you can enter
Nicky: you can use them
Nicky: within like a six month period
Yeah
I
Winnie: have a whole 10 day package
Winnie: Oh that's right
Winnie: Have you used it yet?
Winnie: Thanks to all three of you
Adam: Have you been using it?
Adam: I haven't used
Winnie: it yet
Winnie: But I was going to today
Winnie: But I had the podcast
Winnie: So I thought I wouldn't have enough time
Adam: Sorry
Adam: But
Winnie: yeah
Winnie: I'm sure I'll use it
Winnie: When I was
Nicky: at the onsen today
Nicky: I was thinking
Nicky: I wonder when he's used it
Nicky: any of those options you bought
her.
Winnie: - Not just yet.
Winnie: I've been mainly getting massages lately.
Winnie: Trying to fix my back.
Adam: - Is that working with the,
Adam: 'cause I have office syndrome too.
Adam: - Not at all.
Winnie: I mean, it helps for a few hours
Winnie: and then by the next day on Monday,
Winnie: you go back to the office and it just comes back.
Winnie: - You have to stretch and exercise and walk.
Khilli: - Yeah, keep on, like keep to stay,
Khilli: resume your workout routine.
Winnie: - Yeah, my yoga.
Adam: Everyone in America
Adam: When they're like
Adam: When they know that
Adam: I live in Thailand
Adam: Ask about
Adam: You know massages and stuff
Adam: And
Adam: it's true
Adam: I get them all the time here
Adam: I never got up in America
Adam: And it's
Adam: It's just
Winnie: not affordable
Winnie: It's not
Adam: affordable
Adam: It's so expensive
Adam: And like luxurious
Adam: Yeah
Adam: Over there that you're just you just don't unless it's like yeah birthday present
Adam: But
Adam: here like and it's not like an elite thing like Thai people get massages all the time, too. Like it's just very
Adam: Available and like and it's really nice.
Winnie: Yeah, it's like a lifestyle here. So it's
Winnie: accessible
like
Adam: this isn't the bragging corner but we do get massages quite frequently that is
Adam: like a true stereotype and it's lovely
killie
Winnie: we killie got one last night he's about to go back
Winnie: today he just asked me it would be weird to go back two days in a row and i'm just like i'm sure
Winnie: he'll be flattering that's what i said
Adam: he thought it'd be weird but i thought it like that it's
Adam: repeat customers they like that that's a good
thing
okay
Adam: when i was in uh no killie what was the air when i was in veranasi i was trying to get a
Adam: massage why
Adam: because
Adam: i was in pain dude the bed sucked
Adam: okay
Adam: i like i'm very sensitive
Khilli: experience
Khilli: i really want to know a massage experience no well it
Adam: never happened because they split it by
Adam: genders they're like if you get a first of all it's very hard to get
Khilli: Yeah.
Adam: And I'm fine.
Adam: I had to ask some weird drug dealing like, what's that?
Adam: Oh, Lassie, you know, like the shroom Lassie guy, the weed Lassie guy.
Adam: Like I was asking him and like, you know, there's people, but he's like, if you're a man, it can only be with another man.
Adam: Or if it's a woman, that's with a woman.
Adam: And like, I've
Adam: had...
Adam: in India, like when they shave you, they massage.
Adam: And I've never felt so much pain
Adam: when they're like hammering on your shoulders and stuff.
Adam: I was just very afraid of getting like a male massage
Adam: while I was there.
Adam: So I just didn't.
Adam: But I really wanted one
Adam: because I was like in like a ton of pain
Adam: from just the hard beds.
Adam: And if it was Thai...
Adam: But no, actually, you know where the only place I got a massage in India was?
Adam: In Bodh Gaya, right?
Adam: Where they have the Buddha was under the tree.
Nicky: Yeah.
Adam: There's all these different temples owned by different Buddhist countries.
Adam: And they have one from Japan and Cambodia, but Thailand's the biggest.
Adam: And the royal family donated a lot to that area.
Adam: And the Thai temple has...
Adam: massage places
Adam: fuck yeah
Adam: so you can go get
Adam: Thai massages and stuff
Adam: and you can even go
Adam: and sleep there
Adam: like for free if you want
Adam: like the Thai pavilion
Adam: is huge over there
Adam: and it's really nice
Adam: but yeah
Adam: that was the only place
Adam: I got was a Thai massage
Adam: in the Thai temple
Adam: yeah
Adam: that's beautiful
Nicky: oh it sounds
Nicky: sounds like a
Nicky: to do with
Nicky: to do
Nicky: I have to put that
Nicky: on my to-do list
Adam: you
Winnie: know what else
Winnie: everyone has to put
Winnie: on their to-do list
Winnie: watching Nadania
Winnie: okay
Winnie: sorry
Adam: let's go on
Winnie: I
Adam: was putting it off
Nicky: with cardboard
Winnie: no I can see why
Winnie: you're putting it off Adam
Winnie: I don't blame you
Winnie: so Nikki
Adam: gave the
Adam: rundown
Adam: but why did we watch it
there
Nicky: is a
Nicky: very topical news
Winnie: happening
Nicky: happening. Winnie, would you mind explaining?
Nicky: - Oh
Winnie: yeah, I don't know.
Winnie: I just saw on Instagram a lot of top comments
Winnie: about people complaining about how Nadania was
Winnie: in our generation and I figured,
Winnie: I was wondering what this was.
Winnie: Turns out it was going viral on social media
Winnie: for being terrible.
Winnie: I'm not even on like Indian Instagram,
Winnie: but it was like flooding my feed.
Winnie: - Really? - Yeah.
Winnie: So I was like, wow, this is like pretty big news.
Winnie: And then I read up about it.
Winnie: I found that article about the controversy with the lead actor getting angry at the Pakistani journalist.
Winnie: So I suggested we watch it.
Winnie: 3.1 rating on IMDb.
Winnie: What did you see on your clips?
Adam: Like what was popping up on your feed?
Winnie: Just people complaining about it.
Winnie: If I looked up for it, you know, like, but most of it was just comments.
Winnie: But what are they saying about it?
Winnie: Complaining that we got
Winnie: this
Winnie: movie in our generation.
Winnie: I don't remember exactly.
Okay,
Khilli: I'm just curious
Khilli: Karan Johor is making this
Khilli: School universe
Khilli: Where he has this
Khilli: Not in a
Khilli: MCU thing
Khilli: Not in a MCU way, but it's like
Khilli: In a thematic way
Khilli: Okay, so he's making these films where these rich students go to a like a posh school
Khilli: says and then there would be one guy who comes from apparently some poor background, like
Khilli: which is in Dharma Productions standard.
Khilli: They are not poor.
Khilli: They're very rich as well.
Khilli: But like they're poorer than the industrialists.
Khilli: right so there would be one guy
Khilli: is always a guy
Khilli: and then they would be like looked down upon
Khilli: like bullied for their economic
Khilli: condition and stuff like that and then
Khilli: they would be the underdog hero
Khilli: kind of film so he has done
Khilli: student of the year student of the year too
Khilli: and this film
Khilli: Nadania and then this
Khilli: who also like looks like a reminiscent
Khilli: of Uch Kuch Hota Hai which was like
Khilli: Karan Jura's first director
Khilli: directorial debut with
Khilli: Shara Khan, Kajol
Khilli: Wow, a million
Adam: times more charisma
Adam: in those two people
Khilli: So
Khilli: there are a lot of kickbacks
Khilli: if you remember there was this
Khilli: principal of the school
Khilli: Miss Breganza or something
Khilli: like was like
Khilli: using all of the
Khilli: WTF
Winnie: OMG
Winnie: yeah yeah
Winnie: so even
Khilli: Kuch Kuch Wotai
Khilli: had the same actor
Khilli: the character name
Khilli: was Miss Braganza
Khilli: but that was not a school
Khilli: that was a college
Khilli: but it's a kickback
Khilli: I mean it's a
Khilli: and it would have
Khilli: made more sense
Khilli: reference
Adam: to
Adam: Karan Jehor's
Adam: earlier aesthetics
Adam: she also played
Adam: a prison warden
Adam: in his other series
Adam: no I'm kidding
Khilli: I'm kidding
Khilli: So that's the thing, like he's repeating doing it and he's known for launching kids from film family to Bollywood.
Khilli: So it's like he has launched Alia Bhatt at one point, who turned out to be a really good actor later.
Khilli: But he has done with few other people.
Adam: He's kind of like Coppola, in a way.
Adam: Where like his, I feel like where he kind of shepherds new people,
Adam: but also his family is in a lot of the film industry as well, maybe.
Khilli: It's like for him, it's not his family.
Khilli: He's, it's like other people's family because
Khilli: Oh, right.
Khilli: Because he doesn't have kids.
Adam: We're all laughing about having a family.
Adam: What
Winnie: do you call it?
Winnie: Openly closeted gay.
Winnie: Yeah, that's how Khilli describes her
Winnie: and enjoy her status.
Khilli: Openly closeted gay person.
Khilli: But this movie was
Winnie: also going viral
Winnie: because of the lead actor being
Winnie: Saif, Abraham Ali Khan,
Winnie: who is Saif Ali's
Winnie: son.
Khilli: And the daughter of
Khilli: uh...
Khilli: Sridevi
Khilli: is she also famous
Khilli: Sridevi was like a
Khilli: terrific actress
Khilli: in Bollywood
Khilli: yeah
Khilli: so Nepo baby
Khilli: she was amazing
Khilli: and her
Khilli: already one daughter
Khilli: got debuted
Khilli: in one of the films
Khilli: and I think
Khilli: this girl is
Khilli: it's not her debut
Khilli: it's a
Khilli: third or
Khilli: some film
Khilli: and yeah
Khilli: so
Khilli: they're like
Khilli: two kids
Khilli: from film family
Khilli: yeah
Khilli: but wasn't
Khilli: Shah Rukh Khan
Khilli: and
Khilli: Kadral
Adam: even
Adam: kind of
Adam: Nepo Babies 2
Khilli: no I don't think
Khilli: no
Khilli: Shah Rukh Khan
Khilli: I mean these people
Khilli: had maybe some connection
Khilli: but the
Khilli: Shah Rukh Khan is not
Khilli: quote-unquote Napo baby.
Khilli: Rick de Groshen was.
Adam: Sure.
Adam: It's just,
Adam: those guys have so much,
Adam: I mean,
Adam: because even if they are,
Adam: I'm saying like,
Adam: at least those guys
Adam: had tremendous charisma.
Khilli: No,
Khilli: there are Napo kids
Khilli: who are really
Adam: hardworking.
Khilli: Yeah,
Khilli: I mean,
Khilli: there are no good ones.
Khilli: So why were these
Adam: put in this movie?
Adam: They have nothing.
Khilli: I think there have been
Khilli: always this influx
Khilli: of Napo kids
Khilli: and then some do well
Khilli: because they are good
Khilli: and some doesn't,
Khilli: they get lost.
Yeah.
Yeah,
Adam: it didn't seem like they spent a lot of money on this film.
Winnie: But I don't think he was terrible.
Winnie: He was receiving a lot of hatred on social media for terrible acting.
Winnie: From critics as well for just being really bad at acting.
Winnie: I don't think it was that bad.
Winnie: I think it was just bad writing, bad plot.
Winnie: The movie was worse than the acting.
Winnie: I was
Khilli: talking to Winnie about it.
Khilli: For me, it also felt like terrible writing, worse direction.
Khilli: It's it's it those like those technicalities of the filmmaking was were way worse than the acting part
Khilli: I mean acting I think they were salvage
Khilli: salvageable
Khilli: actors
Khilli: These two kids like they may not be that good
Khilli: But they could have been okay under different circumstances on different directors and stuff. They can't
Adam: dance though
Adam: They didn't even dance or sing.
Adam: - It
Winnie: was so not memorable.
Winnie: I don't remember the dances.
Winnie: - I don't remember any of them.
Winnie: - There's two
Adam: music segments and they just,
Adam: it was very bland.
Adam: 'Cause at first I thought the movie
Adam: just didn't have music at all.
Adam: I was like, this is
Khilli: bad.
Khilli: And then they did it and like they,
Khilli: you don't remember it at all.
Khilli: Funniest thing, we were watching this film with my niece.
Khilli: Actually, yeah, that's worth
Adam: mentioning.
Adam: And your nephew.
Adam: She's
Khilli: 17 and the characters are 17 after, after.
Khilli: So she was like very interested, like when I offered her like,
Khilli: oh, we are going to watch this film for the podcast.
Khilli: And she was like, yes, I want to judge this film
Khilli: because all of my friends are like writing about it
Khilli: and like talking about, talking shit about it, this film.
Khilli: And then I want to watch this film and judge.
Khilli: I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Khilli: Let's come.
Khilli: Let's go and do it.
Khilli: And then after the film, the first thing she said, like, I am 17.
Khilli: I didn't relate a single thing, literally single thing in this film.
Adam: I mean, that's, I think, the key issue is like on every level, it's incredibly unrelatable.
Adam: Like the actors are supposed to be in high school, but they all look like they're 25 and above.
Adam: They are rich beyond...
Adam: up
Adam: like the the earlier films like the um keijo films right
Khilli: like
Adam: they were aspirational and kind
Adam: of fantastical but in a way where like you didn't need it to be relatable like it was
Adam: cool just rich people living in a weird world but then in this one they're living in our world
Adam: In places that exist like that, with families that actually act like that, and it's not relatable, it's just insulting to watch.
Adam: And like when she was saying that she gets a new car every year, I don't know who would enjoy looking at that or how.
Adam: That's not aspirational.
Adam: It's just insulting to everyone else because you know that's true for them.
Adam: Is it?
Adam: I mean, what are they talking about?
Adam: Like, that's not a realistic or cool thing to say,
Adam: if they're not.
Adam: I feel like it's just true.
I
Khilli: remember one of the film family kids,
Khilli: Ranbir Kapoor, you know Ranbir Kapoor, right?
Khilli: Yeah, he's like a good actor.
Khilli: So there was a...
Khilli: There was an interview he did with the newspaper where he said,
Khilli: "Oh, we were so poor, we didn't even have a Mercedes or BMW or anything.
Khilli: We couldn't go to trip to Europe."
Khilli: Like all of my peers were going to a trip to Europe.
Khilli: We struggled a lot.
Khilli: We know what it is to struggle.
Khilli: So that came out on the newspaper
Khilli: And people are like
Khilli: So
Khilli: Fucking
Khilli: So
Khilli: Hilarious
Khilli: Like
Khilli: What?
Khilli: Like
Khilli: Because you didn't have a Mercedes Benz
Khilli: Or you didn't have
Khilli: Yeah you had the worst life ever
Khilli: That's why like
Khilli: You had like a Toyota or something
Khilli: That's why like
Khilli: That's why you're
Khilli: That
Khilli: You struggled a lot.
Khilli: Every time
Adam: I had to put the key in my Ford, I was crying.
Adam: Everyone was making fun of me.
Adam: You couldn't go to Europe
Khilli: for your holidays.
Khilli: That's struggle.
Khilli: Yes, right.
Khilli: In India.
Khilli: It's the context of India, right?
Khilli: It's not the context of US or something.
Khilli: It's the context of India.
Khilli: Yeah.
Khilli: It's absurd.
Adam: They...
Khilli: And
Adam: the conflict comes because she's in a high class where she gets a new car every year and everyone's just filthy rich. And then the guy she wants to be with is in a lower class of being a very upper class class.
Adam: person
Adam: with like a doctor for a father and an incredibly nice home and he's like too lower
Adam: class for them but he is already insultingly rich let alone her level so again it becomes just
Adam: incredibly unrelatable because when they're like this disgusting poor person wants to like date you
Adam: and then you see like
Adam: an incredibly huge house
Adam: and cars
Adam: and like a rich family as well
Adam: and you're just like
Adam: if this is what they're calling poor
Adam: like
Adam: what is my life?
Adam: He belongs
Khilli: to the top 5%
Khilli: of the population.
Khilli: Right, but is that fun for anyone to
Adam: watch that's outside of that bubble?
Adam: That's what I think this movie completely failed on.
Adam: But it's
Winnie: interesting because like Kapiku Shikabigam had the same level of wealth.
Winnie: Most of current Johar films always had the same level of wealth.
Winnie: And it related with the generation of that time.
Winnie: They still ate that up.
Winnie: But this time, like this movie has been rejected by Gen Z completely.
Adam: Why do you think that is?
Adam: I'm trying to figure it out too.
Adam: Why did
Adam: that
Adam: level of wealth back then work better?
Winnie: Because there's woke capitalism now, I guess.
Winnie: There's a lot of wokeness and there's more anti-elitism.
Winnie: anti-apriclass.
Winnie: But
Adam: those movies,
Adam: I think that he did back then,
Adam: do feel more dreamlike,
Adam: I guess,
Adam: or just like completely fantastical.
Adam: Well, back then,
Adam: I think we
Winnie: still bought
Winnie: into the idea of like
Winnie: the American dream
Winnie: or the capitalist dream, right?
Winnie: Where like you can work hard
Winnie: and attain that level of wealth
Winnie: that they have.
Winnie: Right now, we know,
Winnie: like 20 years later,
Winnie: we know that that's impossible.
Winnie: So we don't find it relatable
Winnie: or even desirable anymore.
Adam: Yeah.
Adam: That's what I'm saying.
Adam: This would be like
Adam: the perfect propaganda film
Adam: for Mao.
Adam: To just be like,
Adam: just chopped everyone's heads off in these like these people offer nothing they have nothing like
Adam: a value to give like they are just complete parasites living like an extravagant wealth
Adam: that are just doing nothing like and and our and the worst crimes we had to like watch them do it
Adam: and they think it's like a good movie
Adam: and
Adam: also the plot sucks so what's the plot
Adam: so what's
Nicky: the plot well adam adam briefly mentioned it but it's
Nicky: Has this like very rich socialite girl.
Nicky: I don't even know the actress.
Adam: She has 300,000 followers on Instagram in the movie.
In
Nicky: the movie.
Nicky: She has like her best friends who she's at war with
Nicky: because there's this guy, we'll just call him the fuck boy.
Nicky: And he's like just always constantly harassing
Nicky: our main character.
Nicky: where he's like trying to get hooked up with her
Nicky: and like her best friend has a crush on him
Nicky: and you know they don't want to speak to her
Nicky: because she's not doing anything to stop it
Nicky: and like I guess you know
Nicky: what the people want to know is that like
Nicky: She is single as fuck.
Nicky: And she doesn't, because of the shame that she has to live with.
Nicky: Because that's so relatable.
Nicky: No, I think
Adam: it's because she was texting the guy.
Adam: Yeah.
Adam: She was
Khilli: not texting.
Khilli: She was not even replying.
Khilli: He was texting her.
Khilli: He was texting.
Adam: She just stopped him.
Adam: Okay, so, but whatever.
Adam: She's not afraid of being single.
Adam: But her best friend found out that the dude that she has a crush on has been texting her.
Adam: And the friend hasn't totally shut it down.
Adam: So therefore, she's ruining her best friend's life.
Adam: So the girl's like, no, no, no, I didn't tell you.
Adam: I didn't.
Adam: No, I'm not flirting with him.
Adam: I have a boyfriend.
I
Nicky: have a boyfriend who doesn't exist.
Nicky: And that's where our Nepo baby main character comes in, Ibram.
Nicky: Rahim Ali Khan.
Nicky: He plays like this supposedly middle class character
Nicky: that I do not relate with in any way.
Adam: No middle class person lives like that.
Adam: Yeah,
Nicky: and basically she's paying him to be her boyfriend.
Nicky: Nikki,
Khilli: talk about the introduction scene of the guy
Khilli: for where he wins the chance to be a debate team captain.
Khilli: Oh, yeah, we have to get to that.
Khilli: Oh, my God.
Khilli: I
Nicky: totally forgot about that, man.
Nicky: Let's not forget.
Nicky: Yeah, it's like...
Nicky: That was the
Adam: best part.
Adam: So they're in the debate club.
Nicky: They're in the debate club and there's this guy.
Nicky: Was it the fuckboy that was like...
Nicky: No,
Adam: it was like a debate guy.
Adam: It was a debate bully.
Nicky: Debate bully.
Nicky: Okay.
Nicky: And then he was saying...
Nicky: He was making fun of our main character
Nicky: about his upbringing.
Nicky: And then he does this powerful speech
Nicky: where my family goes through hardships
Nicky: and I'm career focused
Nicky: and I come from Noida.
Nicky: Or something.
Nicky: Noida.
Nicky: I don't know.
Nicky: And then, like...
Nicky: I mean, by the end of the debate,
Nicky: the bully was, like, completely owned,
Nicky: and everyone was cheering for him,
Nicky: and for whatever reason,
Nicky: our main character gets up
Nicky: and, like, strips...
Adam: Strips topless...
Adam: Yeah, he pulls his shirt up.
Nicky: I don't know.
Nicky: I cannot imagine in any situation realistically where someone would be so pumped they would strip naked.
Nicky: And a debate
Winnie: club.
Winnie: He's standing
Adam: over them and they're all like clapping as he's just holding his shirt up to show off his six pack.
Adam: at the debate club after he owned someone with logic yeah
Khilli: it was the last card of up up on his
Khilli: sleeves to like we know what that is debate bully that like he has abs that's how he became like
Khilli: that was the last nail on the coffin that he became the captain of
Adam: the debate this guy is so sexy we
Adam: have to make him our leader this is debate club the
Nicky: whole point of him bringing tablets is because
Nicky: it's a setup and
Nicky: for the girl to walk in on the debate club
Nicky: to see that this man, this man will be my boyfriend.
Nicky: That's literally the point.
Nicky: - He's smart
Adam: and he works out.
Adam: He just came to school.
Adam: So I'm gonna pretend that he's been dating me.
Adam: I'm gonna pay him.
Khilli: - She's gonna pay him like 25,000 rupee per week.
Khilli: - Yeah.
Khilli: - Which is roughly like $300.
Khilli: - It's about
Adam: $300 a week.
Adam: - Yeah.
Adam: - So he's getting paid, that's solid.
Khilli: That's a lot for India.
Khilli: What's the average wage for India?
Khilli: So if you've done a graduation, proper graduation, you get a job in an IT company.
Khilli: Most probably you are getting paid that per month, not a week.
Khilli: So you get paid...
Adam: 25
Khilli: ,000 per month
Khilli: Yeah, if you're starting a job
Khilli: That's the usual white collar starting salary
Khilli: So
Winnie: this 15,000 a week
Winnie: He's getting like 60,000 a month
Khilli: No
Khilli: 15
Khilli: ,000
Khilli: 25,000 he's getting
Khilli: Oh yeah,
Adam: 100,000
Khilli: 100,000
Adam: So how much is
Adam: 100
Khilli: ,000 is like a
Adam: So it's like a thousand dollars
Adam: It's like
Khilli: a mid-level corporate employee
Khilli: employee salary
Khilli: yeah
Khilli: it's a very lucrative deal
Khilli: so again
Adam: yeah
Adam: way unrelatable
Adam: I think
Adam: when you're like
Adam: the majority of people
Adam: watching Netflix
Adam: being like
Adam: that is more than
Adam: like my
Adam: both my parents make
Adam: even
Khilli: if a Gen Z
Khilli: sees it like
Khilli: if they're
Khilli: their uncle
Khilli: or like
Khilli: like me
Khilli: or like
Khilli: um
Khilli: like elder cousins or like brothers or sisters they're earning people and they were like none of
Khilli: them even even the pairs none of them earn that much of money it's crazy how insulting is
Adam: that if
Adam: you watch then you're like this high schooler is getting paid this much to take a few photos with
Adam: this woman yeah i would my eyes would go red
yeah
Adam: yeah you
Nicky: have you get this cringe worthy like montage
Nicky: where like they
Nicky: she started taking photos of him
Nicky: yeah photos of him
Nicky: sharing his like
Nicky: like you know
Nicky: doing like a soft launch
Nicky: as they would
Nicky: as the kids would call it
Nicky: these days
Nicky: soft launch
Nicky: where you like subtly
Nicky: like reveal certain parts
Nicky: of your
Nicky: partner have you guys ever done that also i've done that in the past yes
the
Winnie: fact that nobody
Winnie: recognized that it was him even though there were parts where like you could see his body
Winnie: and he showed off his six pack to all these guys before yeah
Adam: they all studied that they
Adam: know exactly what he looks like
and
Nicky: then that resolves the conflict that we had in the beginning
Nicky: like oh you know her friends didn't like her
Nicky: because you know they thought that she was having an affair with the the fuck boy and then they
Nicky: easily like wrap that plot point completely right that's the other issue with the movie
Adam: there's no
Adam: primary driving yeah because it just it's very episodic it just keeps going to one issue to the
Adam: next like we need to talk about class issue and then race issue and parent issue and they just
Adam: kind of hit all the checklists you know
i
Winnie: feel like there was almost no social commentary
Winnie: They tried to.
Winnie: There was a gender. There was a class.
Winnie: They
Khilli: tried to.
Khilli: It poses as a social commentary.
Khilli: I'm not saying it did it well.
Adam: I'm just saying
Adam: check
Adam: things off its list.
Khilli: And the point
Khilli: that it's so regressive.
Khilli: The film is so regressive
Khilli: in its social outlook.
Khilli: It's nauseating.
Khilli: Like how though?
Khilli: This girl, you're showing this girl
Khilli: is like
Khilli: like sidelining the main actor because she is not stopping a stalker to...
Khilli: He was definitely stalking her and like harassing her over messages and stuff.
Khilli: But then
Winnie: he addresses it later on in his speech about how they're not real friends, if they're going to do that.
Winnie: So I feel like they end up painting that
Winnie: friendship
Winnie: dynamic in a negative light to show that it's wrong.
Winnie: And then there was a whole point about empowering her to,
Winnie: you
Winnie: know, be a lawyer woman because her dad always wanted a son.
Winnie: So I feel like they tried to be progressive to appeal to the Gen Z crowd.
Winnie: But the context of the film was so unrelatable that I don't think any of the messages really got across.
Adam: This is a genuine question I have.
Adam: So a major plot point is the dad hasn't had dinner with them, I guess, her whole life.
Adam: Because when the boy comes over, she's like, this is the first time dad's ever had dinner with me or something.
Adam: And she thinks that her dad's never talked to her because he always wanted a son and was disappointed that he had a daughter.
Adam: Now, but my question is, well, the dad is surprised that she wants to be a lawyer and has never, ever asked her any questions or knows anything about her.
Adam: And he says, no, that's not the reason why I never talked to you.
Adam: But what was the reason?
Adam: Like, did I miss it?
Adam: Or did he ever explain why he never did?
Adam: Because he did say, like, it's not because you're a woman.
Adam: I didn't need a son.
Adam: I
Khilli: think he was gaslighting her.
Khilli: But
Adam: I didn't understand what he did.
Adam: What was the reason he never did her with her?
Adam: He assumed
Winnie: that she was going to go to university for art or crafts or something like that.
Winnie: So it might have just been that he never saw her in an intellectual light.
Winnie: creative at most
Winnie: because she's a woman
Winnie: reason
Khilli: to talk to her
Khilli: yeah
Winnie: he's like why
Adam: can I talk to
Adam: someone
Adam: who's gonna go to
Khilli: an art school
Winnie: it's not because
Winnie: of women
Winnie: it's a traditional
Winnie: gender role
Winnie: that he just used
Winnie: to judge his own
Winnie: daughters
Winnie: of getting to know her
Khilli: so the men
Khilli: never talk to women
Khilli: in the family
Khilli: like the men
Khilli: never talk to their women kids.
Khilli: Yeah.
Khilli: Because at first they decide,
Khilli: they think,
Khilli: they already decide that,
Khilli: oh, they're not going to be smart
Khilli: because they're women.
Khilli: And oh, I don't want to talk to an unsmart kid.
Adam: But then he said,
Adam: no, no, no.
Adam: Like, it's not because of that.
Adam: It's not because I wanted a son.
Adam: But I never heard the part of why he did do that then.
Adam: and I couldn't figure out if I missed it or not.
Adam: He just never answers why.
Adam: So he just completely ignored her,
Adam: didn't have dinner with her,
Adam: not because she's a girl,
Adam: but just because he's a bad father
Adam: would have done it to anyone.
Khilli: Something to do with the mother as well.
Khilli: So the mother was complaining that,
Khilli: okay, in this family,
Khilli: like if you cannot provide a son,
Khilli: quote unquote, provide a son,
Khilli: that you don't have respect as a wife.
Khilli: So she was always up about like,
Khilli: up on his ass about like,
Khilli: okay,
Khilli: producing a son
Khilli: and then since
Khilli: she was always about
Khilli: making a son
Khilli: the guy was disgusted about her
Khilli: so he started a relationship with another
Khilli: woman outside
Khilli: and then she was like
Khilli: no I did it because that was expected
Khilli: of me from this family that's why I was
Khilli: so up and he was
Khilli: like I didn't want that and she's like
Khilli: who gives a fuck what you wanted
Khilli: have you seen your father like how he
Khilli: treats me
Khilli: so it's
Khilli: kind of
Khilli: tries to address
Khilli: like a
Khilli: multi-tiered
Khilli: fashion of
Khilli: like
Khilli: gender roles
Khilli: in a
Khilli: patriarchal
Khilli: Indian family
Khilli: where that
Khilli: I mean it's not
Khilli: only about husband
Khilli: husband is patriarchal
Khilli: okay
Khilli: but there would be
Khilli: another set of people
Khilli: like your in-laws
Khilli: who are all
Khilli: more patriarchal
Khilli: because they come from
Khilli: the different generation and they will have the power still power over the dictation like how the
Khilli: family runs so the women end up like the the wives end up falling prey to the
Khilli: patriarchy while practicing patriarchy as well so that that's kind of interesting because
Khilli: to see but they saw they they i mean i cannot give the credit to the film
Khilli: because it was shown in like one sentence.
Khilli: Yeah, they just showed the old grandfather sitting at the table.
Khilli: I'm talking so much, so many things
Khilli: because I've seen like many Bollywood films
Khilli: and I'm from India.
Khilli: I've seen these dynamics being played out again and again.
Khilli: So that's why I'm saying it.
Khilli: But in the film, it happens literally in one sentence.
Adam: We should say, so he...
Adam: He has an affair and then she does give birth to a son.
Khilli: No, no, no.
Khilli: It didn't reveal that.
Khilli: Well, we don't know if it's a son.
Khilli: She gets
Adam: pregnant.
Khilli: Yeah.
Adam: And then he finds out, like, the girl sees it flashing on, like, the dad's cell phone.
Adam: So they find out he's been cheating and then he immediately gets a divorce.
Adam: He's like, I have a new family.
Adam: I'm leaving now.
Adam: Bye.
Adam: That's just how it goes, which is the least Indian thing I've ever seen in my life.
Adam: I mean, you
Khilli: cannot have like you were a millionaire, like an industrialist.
Khilli: You cannot have one kid out of your wedlock.
Adam: It
Khilli: was good
Winnie: rationalizing.
Adam: I'm just saying he goes so against the grain,
Adam: but they made it seem like that's the rule.
Adam: I think they're also
Winnie: maybe trying to show the progressiveness of the film.
Winnie: What is the
Adam: progressiveness here?
Winnie: Divorce is allowed.
Winnie: Right?
Winnie: Because like...
Winnie: What?
Winnie: You leave your wife?
Adam: The mom like lost everything.
Adam: You leave
Winnie: your wife
Winnie: because you cheated on
Khilli: her
Khilli: and had...
Khilli: Like she didn't even ask for divorce.
Winnie: Yes, yes.
Winnie: I mean,
Winnie: I don't think it's progressive
Winnie: in the sense that the woman
Winnie: should have asked for the divorce
Winnie: but in the sense that
Winnie: back in the day
Winnie: you could
have...
Khilli: You cheated on someone and then suddenly like, oh, get the fuck out of here.
Khilli: Because I cheated on you.
Khilli: I'm going to abandon
Adam: my family.
Adam: I'm so woke.
Winnie: But you don't really see divorce in other Indian movies.
Winnie: So the fact that divorce is like...
Winnie: It's not that
Khilli: bad.
Khilli: There are divorces.
I
Adam: mean, it's the most anti-Tai thing too, for the most part.
Adam: Like where they're like, I have like...
Adam: I'm not saying like everyone like cheats on their spouse or anything, but I've never seen...
Adam: It were like the guy feels like it's a societal obligation to go be with the family he cheated on.
Adam: Okay,
Winnie: but what's the alternative?
Winnie: Because it seems like everyone knew he had an affair, right?
Winnie: They all knew he had a mistress.
Winnie: Take care of
Khilli: both kids.
Khilli: Yes, but...
Khilli: He
Adam: abandoned her and she got nothing.
Winnie: We don't know that. We don't know the divorce proceedings.
Winnie: We just saw the conversation where he said that he wants a divorce
Winnie: because he's actually in love with his mistress.
Adam: And
Khilli: why is she leaving the house again?
Adam: Yeah, they lost money and had to move and stuff.
Adam: They went
Nicky: back to the grandmother's house.
Khilli: Because he cheated on her.
Khilli: They have enough proof, like everything.
Khilli: I mean, definitely she would get like a whole lot of money.
Khilli: And then like most probably the house is under the name of his father.
Khilli: Then then.
Khilli: But
Winnie: we don't get too much exposure into the divorce.
Winnie: I wish it was a
Adam: divorce.
Adam: I think the film was
Khilli: about the divorce.
Khilli: I
Adam: want to see what a set she gets.
Adam: And okay,
Khilli: we almost had the
Khilli: three
Khilli: -fourths of the film
Adam: at this point like, wow.
Adam: Okay.
Nicky: So the thing that I find so frustrating about this movie is that there's so much happening in that two-hour frame and yet I can't really remember
Nicky: anything.
Nicky: So
Khilli: many things happening and
Adam: nothing is remarkable.
Adam: Oh, they have Bonfire Night.
Adam: What is
Nicky: Bonfire Night?
Nicky: They keep
Adam: talking about Bonfire Night and in subtitles it's capital letters but I asked...
Adam: you and your niece and nephew
Adam: they have no idea what bonfire night is
Adam: I assumed it was like a prom thing
Adam: it sounded like a prom thing
Adam: it's nothing
Adam: but they acted like we all know what bonfire night is
Adam: but we ended up
Winnie: seeing the bonfire night
Winnie: there was no
Adam: bonfire
Adam: it
Winnie: was like this AI
Winnie: it was
like
Adam: a
Adam: postmodern arts
Adam: sculpture
Adam: yeah
Winnie: there was no
Winnie: bonfire
Winnie: so what
Adam: but that's why
Adam: it makes me think
Adam: bonfire is even
Adam: more of a thing
Adam: because like it
Adam: used to be a
Adam: bonfire
Adam: now it's like
Adam: these lights
Adam: but no one
Adam: has any clue
Adam: what bonfire
Adam: night is
Adam: but they put a
Adam: lot of lore
Adam: into what
Adam: bonfire night
Adam: is in the movie
I
Khilli: can't understand what they were doing here.
Khilli: They were showing that it's a tradition in the school
Khilli: or in that fictional world that these people live in.
Khilli: And everyone knows about Bonfire Night in the film.
Adam: Yeah.
Khilli: And we kind of accept that.
Khilli: Okay, for you guys, Bonfire Night is a big thing.
Khilli: And we accept that and we watch on that context because no one has Bonfire Night.
Khilli: Like in Delhi, what the hell?
Khilli: I
Adam: think it's a secret, rich, elite thing that they do.
Adam: Yeah, that we don't know.
Adam: Where they have a big bonfire and they throw all the plans and the virgins in.
Adam: Where all the matchmaking happens.
Khilli: Like all the industrial matchmaking.
Khilli: Yeah, they plot out the next
Adam: 10 years over the bonfire.
Adam: And
Adam: now the kids do it.
Adam: All the
Khilli: startup discussions.
Khilli: Like what?
Khilli: Oh, shoot.
Khilli: That is the...
Khilli: Oh, we have to get to the startups, right?
Khilli: No, remember that?
Adam: His dream, remember?
Adam: Oh, yeah,
Khilli: dream.
Khilli: Okay, before that, we have to be thankful to Netflix.
Khilli: Do you remember that?
Khilli: Like, what are you thankful for today?
Adam: Yeah, Netflix was advertising itself on the movie.
Adam: They
Nicky: always get a shout out in every...
Nicky: property
Nicky: okay
Adam: we have to talk about
Adam: the mood board
Adam: do you remember
Adam: vision board
Adam: sorry not mood board
Adam: yeah
Adam: so he has a vision
Adam: everyone has a vision board
Adam: in this movie
Adam: including the very poor guy
Adam: and his vision
Adam: is to become
Adam: his
Adam: is to like
Adam: get rich or something
Adam: go to a nice university
Adam: and then
Adam: come back to India
Adam: and make an app
Adam: no no no no
Khilli: no
Khilli: He was not supposed to go to outside.
Khilli: So that's why I was shouting,
Khilli: how does it change anything to your plan
Khilli: if you go abroad to study?
Adam: Well, okay.
Adam: So the end goal though is he wants to make an app
Adam: that connects common people to lawyers,
Adam: which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard
Adam: because I think that already exists.
Adam: They do have lawyers
Adam: and I don't think that solves the issue
Adam: of them affording the lawyer or not.
Adam: I don't think the issue is finding one.
Adam: I think it's, can I afford a lawyer and would that help?
Adam: So yes, this guy wanted to make an app to
connect
Khilli: lawyers to common people.
Khilli: It could be also that
Khilli: so you have like a slight problem
Khilli: and you don't want to hire
Khilli: a whole lawyer for it.
Khilli: You just go to the app,
Khilli: post a question
Khilli: and there are like
Khilli: a bunch of lawyers,
Khilli: paid lawyers by the app companies.
Khilli: who will see your question and answer it like,
Khilli: oh yeah, you can do this.
Khilli: And if for more action, okay,
Adam: you can hire someone.
Adam: That would be a nice...
Adam: You put more thought into it,
Adam: but he acted like it was going to be a guaranteed hit.
Adam: Because I'm not a 17-year-old.
Adam: So why did he not want to leave India for this?
Adam: Yeah, that
Khilli: made no sense.
Khilli: So in his vision board,
Khilli: he's going to the top law university area
Khilli: in India, and then he becomes topper every semester,
Khilli: and then he gets the best job possible
Khilli: from the law college, and then he saves up some money
Khilli: for a few years, and then he opens the app.
Khilli: That's his vision board.
Khilli: And now, in this thing, it doesn't make any sense
Khilli: that why would he not go abroad?
Khilli: I mean, if he goes abroad, he can earn in like,
Khilli: like stronger currency and save the money quicker and then come back to India and make the app anyway.
Khilli: So
Khilli: what
Khilli: is stopping him?
Winnie: He's from a middle class family.
Winnie: So he doesn't
Khilli: want the education loan, but he was getting the full scholarship.
Winnie: He did in the end, right after the girl encouraged him to aim higher.
Khilli: No, that means Brieganzo was telling her.
Khilli: No, Brieganzo was already telling him that you will get the full scholarship.
Khilli: That was so
Adam: funny too, the way that they think scholarships work.
Adam: Because her advisor, when he tell me if this is the case.
Adam: Oh, a sports
Winnie: scholarship. He was banking on getting a sports scholarship because he was the captain of the swim team.
Adam: Oh.
Khilli: We never saw him swimming though.
Khilli: Yeah, I don't remember that at all.
Khilli: It was all in the awards. Oh my God.
Winnie: But that was his description, opening description.
Adam: Oh, he was.
Adam: No, there was briefly
Adam: he was in the pool, I think.
Winnie: Yeah, yeah.
Winnie: So he was going to get
Winnie: a sports scholarship
Winnie: and then he did end up
Winnie: in the end of the movie
Winnie: getting a sports scholarship.
Adam: Good filmmaking.
Winnie: He didn't get the
Winnie: sports scholarship?
Winnie: What?
Khilli: He didn't get the
Khilli: D-Bitch scholarship?
Khilli: I
Winnie: mean, he became
Winnie: captain of the debate team
Winnie: by showing off his six-pack.
Winnie: So we never really see
Winnie: his lawyer skills
Winnie: or if he has the capacity
Winnie: to become a lawyer.
Winnie: Maybe that's why he's banking on the app.
Adam: He got captain of the pool team with his good debate skills.
Winnie: And then he became captain of the debate team with his good swimming abs.
Adam: I think the way they just give him the scholarship,
Adam: like the college advisor is like,
Adam: you get the special scholarship where you can go to any school in the UK
Adam: you want for free.
Adam: we all just love you so much pick whatever school you want that is a very magical scholarship and i
Adam: think to every other kid that's just called having rich parents i don't think and they think that that
Adam: could just apply to anyone but you don't just have the advisor say like look the university's reached
Adam: out and they just love you so much you can go to eddie uk and then he has a real tough choice to
Adam: figure out where he wants to go
we
Winnie: should talk about
Winnie: how they fall in love
Winnie: because it's a rom-com
Winnie: so this is kind of like
Winnie: central to the movie
Winnie: how she pays for him
Winnie: and then eventually
Winnie: starts to fall
Winnie: go back to Nikki
Winnie: for
Khilli: help
Nicky: for the plot
Nicky: fuck man
Nicky: all I remember
Nicky: is that like
Nicky: they have
Nicky: there was that stupid
Nicky: dinner scene
Nicky: where they
Nicky: I don't know
Nicky: uh what was pia the the lead girl she her father saw that you know arian has is like lawyer material
Nicky: or something and then like you know with arian's suggestion that uh pia should be in the debate team
Nicky: and then he was like defending her because her father was being like
Nicky: misogynistic, I guess.
Adam: The father didn't think that
Adam: girls can be lawyers.
Nicky: No.
Nicky: But do you remember how she proved
Nicky: that she can debate?
Nicky: Vaccines.
Nicky: Being knowledgeable on
Khilli: medicals.
Khilli: Why vaccines shouldn't be free.
Khilli: Why vaccines
Adam: should be for profit.
Adam: And she gives a whole debate
Adam: on why we need to
Adam: extract profit from the vaccine process.
Adam: And the dad almost breaks down in tears because he's like,
Adam: that's the most beautiful thing I've ever heard.
Nicky: Yeah.
Nicky: It was the most foreseen.
Nicky: I hated it.
Nicky: I was very angry
Adam: at that moment that she like,
Adam: first of all,
Adam: she uses debate points that like any dumb baby can come out,
Adam: come up with.
Adam: But then the fact that her father's like,
Adam: you're a genius.
Adam: Like I,
Adam: wow,
Adam: we could make money from vaccines.
Adam: You're right.
Adam: I never thought about it this way.
Adam: Like,
Adam: That's very morally bankrupt
Adam: That they're
Adam: They're applauding her
Adam: On this point
Khilli: Yeah
Khilli: I think the father
Khilli: Realizes that
Khilli: The women can be
Khilli: Equally morally bankrupt
Khilli: Yeah
Khilli: And be part of our business
Adam: Yeah
Khilli: She can run
Winnie: my business
Winnie: Because it's harder
Winnie: To argue for that
Winnie: The fact that
Winnie: That vaccines
Winnie: should be charged.
Winnie: And she didn't do
Winnie: a great job at it.
Winnie: She did.
Winnie: Ish.
Winnie: Enough for her dad.
Winnie: Her dad's
Khilli: a dummy.
Khilli: Enough for how things
Khilli: are running in this film.
Khilli: But it's actually
Khilli: interesting that
Winnie: they chose this.
Winnie: Like, you know,
Winnie: if you think about
Winnie: the director of the movie,
Winnie: why they chose this debate,
Winnie: that art side of the argument
Winnie: to present
Yeah,
Adam: it is a good, yes, this is a message they want to say.
Winnie: Exactly, exactly.
Adam: They chose that.
Adam: Yeah, and I think it's going to fall on deaf ears.
Adam: I don't know how many people love to hear that.
What was
Khilli: the debate?
Khilli: I don't think the writer ever has been a part of the debate team.
Khilli: Because in debate competition, you cannot choose for or against, I guess.
Khilli: It's a decision.
Khilli: You were assigned.
Khilli: So he was like, why did you choose this side?
Khilli: Because the other side would have been easier to defend.
Khilli: And she said, no, I wanted to show something that I can win a
Adam: harder argument.
Adam: I'm like, no, you cannot choose.
Adam: Her argument was that vaccines cost money to make.
Adam: and so we need to pay for it.
Adam: Well,
Winnie: basically also that
Winnie: you need to be able to fund
Winnie: future studies for future vaccines.
Winnie: So you need to be able to
Winnie: contribute to it
Winnie: so that it's more sustainable.
Winnie: If it's free,
Winnie: then research would not be sustainable.
Winnie: I don't
Khilli: think any
Khilli: any set group of people
Khilli: who like
Khilli: argues for
Khilli: free
Khilli: vaccine,
Khilli: wants
Khilli: the researcher to be not paid.
Khilli: Or like to have no future vaccines.
Winnie: If you think about how much money the pharma industry is bringing in,
Winnie: like you really don't need to charge for the vaccines.
Winnie: They have more than enough to be able to cover more science and development.
Winnie: We can't regulate that with
Khilli: the capitalist system.
Adam: Yeah, it's fine.
Adam: We got polio just fine and people didn't stop making vaccines because...
Adam: because of it.
Adam: It's okay.
Adam: - But
Winnie: this point kinda is in trend
Winnie: with the theme of the movie, right?
Winnie: Being very pro elite, pro capitalism.
Winnie: - Yeah, it's very revealing that
Adam: that's what they think
Adam: is like an interesting thing to talk about.
Adam: It's very revealing.
Adam: But again, I think that's what is so revealing
Adam: is just how out of touch they are with everyone.
Adam: and in more of an insult and i guess the the greatest sin is that the movie's not entertaining
Adam: i guess that's it because at least the older films were entertaining and so if you can't even be fun
Adam: to watch then it's just not and it's not relatable like
Adam: of
Adam: course you're going to get the ire of
Adam: everyone it's
Nicky: not relatable it's not memorable there's nothing that i i try to recount anything
Nicky: i don't remember anything
Nicky: There was nothing fascinating about it.
Nicky: So how does it
Adam: end?
Adam: They go to bonfire night?
Nicky: We didn't cover one specific plot point.
Nicky: It's when Pia's family gets a divorce.
Nicky: She meets her childhood friend, the rich boy.
Khilli: Oh yeah.
Nicky: He's a prince.
Nicky: The prince.
Nicky: Oh, thank
Khilli: you.
Khilli: Because
Nicky: that's normal.
Khilli: Been there.
Khilli: How
Adam: many princes do you swipe on Bumble?
Adam: Every day,
Winnie: yeah.
Nicky: Yeah, the prince is like, I don't know
Nicky: He's like that
Nicky: He's like that typical conflict in rom-kong
Nicky: The one that does all the misunderstanding
Nicky: They went out for one night
Nicky: And then people, because he's a prince
Nicky: Like people, the paparazzi
Nicky: Decided to take photos and videos
Nicky: And upload it on social media
Nicky: And, you know, with a lot of debate competition going around, I don't remember a scene about debate at all.
Nicky: I don't remember
Adam: anything.
Adam: It was just abs.
Khilli: Because for debate, you have to actually study about the current politics or current topics and then write the right.
Khilli: argument
Khilli: for
Khilli: to show on screen
Khilli: that debate is happening
Khilli: for the writers
Khilli: right
Khilli: they have to write
Khilli: proper arguments
Khilli: to show on screen
Khilli: I think they didn't
Khilli: want to do that
Nicky: because like the thing
Nicky: the whole reason
Nicky: that they fell in love
Nicky: is because they're
Nicky: preparing for debate
Nicky: right
Nicky: yeah there was no debate
Khilli: you're right
Adam: there wasn't a debate
Khilli: watching a
Khilli: watching a sports film
Khilli: without
Adam: without having
Adam: any sports involved
Khilli: in the
Khilli: it's like Mighty
Adam: Ducks
Adam: and they just never
Adam: get on the ice rink
Adam: at all
Khilli: it's like
Khilli: yeah
Khilli: And that, no, okay.
Khilli: There was another thing, like, when the paparazzi take photo
Khilli: of...
Khilli: So, basically, she was, like, she was giving a hug to the prince guy, right?
Khilli: Yes.
Khilli: But later, when we saw the photos, like, it was a very romantic stare.
Khilli: Like, they were, like, holding hands and, like, whatnot.
Khilli: Like...
Khilli: When did
Khilli: all that happen?
Khilli: Is it AI?
Khilli: It looked like AI manipulation.
Khilli: They took like a hugging photo.
Khilli: He has six fingers.
Khilli: And then like they created those photos out of nowhere.
Khilli: Because never saw that happening.
Khilli: Like they're holding like their arm and then like staring at, staring into each other's eye.
Khilli: Like a total romantic like...
Khilli: pose that never happened.
Khilli: They were just walking side by side,
Khilli: talking about things and then just hugged because he was very supportive to
Khilli: her.
Khilli: That's,
Khilli: that's what happened.
Khilli: And the photos came out.
Khilli: The mom wants
Adam: her to be with the prince because he can,
Adam: he's just super rich and can give her all the money she needs.
Adam: But also the guy that she is pining for is not poor again.
Adam: So like it's that's why it's not super.
Adam: He's not living in the slums like his dad's a doctor.
Adam: They're all very rich.
Adam: He's getting a full fledged scholarship to the UK.
Adam: He's fine.
Adam: You know who we need in this film?
Adam: Who?
Adam: He's called Dancer.
Adam: Yeah, he would get a machine gun.
Adam: He would do like the Matrix scene where he loads up on all this arsenal, go in there,
Adam: and act like a 12 year old in like a doomba just blowing the place up.
Adam: It
Nicky: sounds like a school shooting.
Nicky: He would.
Adam: He would commit.
Adam: He would just be spraying everyone down.
Adam: Just
Adam: so we don't condone the frontline shooting
Adam: America
Adam: Could you tell?
Nicky: Just
Nicky: Disclaimer we don't condone
Nicky: School shooting in America
My
Adam: only solution
Adam: Is just gun fights? Yeah sorry
Adam: My culture killy don't knock it
Adam: He can dance the fuck
Khilli: out of them
Khilli: Right yes
Khilli: Yeah, break dance, sure.
Khilli: And maybe like electrocute the guitar.
Khilli: With machine gun legs.
Khilli: The debate mic stand,
Khilli: electrocute the debate mic stand.
Khilli: That would have been the fine thing.
Khilli: His mom could just
Adam: beat everyone over the head
Adam: with an electrocuted microphone stand.
Adam: Yeah,
Khilli: I mean that's
Adam: what I was getting
Khilli: at like you know like when the rich versus poor narrative in Disco Dancer where he's literally living in the slum and then fighting the industry.
Khilli: Correct, yeah.
Khilli: And then here his doctors.
Khilli: He's like a super rich dude.
Khilli: He's like a huge huge house.
Khilli: And so there's no downside
Adam: if she dates him that's the they keep trying to set that up as like he's from a different class
Adam: His last name is bad. He's not a prince,
Khilli: but
Adam: he's like the biggest catch in the world
Adam: His
Khilli: last name remember that all
Adam: the kids were making fun of his last name
Winnie: So they keep talking about where he's from not
Winnie: What is the significance of no idea because
Khilli: I lived in no idea sounds for no idea
Khilli: Yeah, I think so because I lived near no idea. I mean
Khilli: Noida is this new place next to New Delhi, which falls.
Khilli: So around New Delhi, there are like two places, Gurgaon and Noida.
Khilli: And with New Delhi, it kind of becomes national capital region, NCR.
Khilli: So where they would establish all the business, all the industries, because Delhi is like a small...
Khilli: not small, but it doesn't have enough space for expansions, right?
Khilli: So they created this national capital region.
Khilli: Noida is part of that.
Khilli: Noida falls in another state, but...
Khilli: But I saw it developed in front of my eyes,
Khilli: and then it has huge society...
Khilli: It
Khilli: has rich people.
Khilli: But see, that's the issue.
Adam: It's new rich.
Winnie: That's what they have with it.
Winnie: That's why the old rich is looking down upon it.
Winnie: Yeah, it's new money.
Winnie: Okay, that makes sense.
Winnie: So they hate it.
Winnie: New money.
Winnie: Fakers.
Adam: And
Winnie: he does represent kind of like new money working class.
Winnie: His father is a doctor.
Winnie: His mom's a teacher.
Winnie: He's actually worked for it, so they
Adam: hate him.
Adam: Oh yeah
Adam: You work for your money
Adam: Your dad
Adam: Disgusting
Adam: He saves people
Adam: Disgusting
Adam: He
Khilli: doesn't scams people
Khilli: For money
Khilli: Oh my god
Adam: Gross
Adam: You can't marry him
Adam: You have to marry the prince
Adam: That contributes nothing
Adam: Yeah
Adam: He's much better
Nicky: New money
Nicky: Are we trying to say
Nicky: The movie's doing
Nicky: A smart observation
Nicky: yeah
Adam: very smart
Adam: we
Winnie: are doing a smart observation for the dumb movie
Winnie: that can't be right
Adam: they have like a huge axe to grind
Adam: with these new money crowds
Adam: and this is their chance to say it
Khilli: and this guy is the personal
Khilli: doctor of a
Khilli: uber rich family so
Khilli: he's not even a struggling doctor
Khilli: but he's the help
Winnie: for them it's the
Adam: same as the serving
Adam: you have a serving, you have a personal doctor
Adam: it's worthless, you know what I mean?
Winnie: and his mom's a teacher at the school that they're at
Winnie: which obviously seems to be a very expensive
Winnie: private school
Winnie: so he gets in for free too
Adam: yeah
Winnie: So also, yeah, he doesn't seem like he's doing that bad.
Adam: They both have to be employed, though, is the problem.
Adam: And if any of those, if they lose their job, he's screwed.
Adam: And that's a class you don't want to deal with.
Adam: And a prerequisite
Winnie: is also white crime.
Winnie: Your family has had to commit some sort of white crime to be eligible by.
Winnie: bachelor
Adam: correct
Adam: yeah
Adam: so
Adam: what
Adam: are we at the end
Adam: I want to talk about
Adam: the drama
Adam: that Winnie found out
Adam: I want to talk about
Adam: his statement
Adam: I want to talk about
Adam: the reaction
Adam: the only thing
Nicky: that I
Nicky: can only think about
Nicky: is that
Nicky: you know
Nicky: after the misunderstanding
Nicky: with the prince occurred
Nicky: like we get the scene
Nicky: where he kind of just
Nicky: confronts
Nicky: Pia
Nicky: and then
Nicky: gives this speech
Nicky: about like
Nicky: does the reveal
Nicky: that he's been paid
Nicky: to be her boyfriend
Nicky: and then
Nicky: He makes a speech about how everyone is all you rich people are so fake with your social media and your likes and
Nicky: That guy is sleeping around with a lot of women women and you should know that
Adam: And then the guy high-fives himself. He's like, yeah, I rule
Yeah,
Nicky: that was like I feel like the best he was trying to make some sort of commentary on that
Nicky: But it just feels so
Nicky: half-baved, so...
Nicky: Right.
Nicky: If he,
Adam: again, was actually from
Adam: like disco dancer world,
Adam: he would have legitimate criticisms.
Adam: But because all these people
Adam: are in this rich bubble,
Adam: their only...
Adam: The only sin they think
Adam: they're committing is like gossip
Adam: or being a playboy perhaps.
Adam: Like their world is so small
Adam: that they don't even know
Adam: how people would legitimately
Adam: criticize them.
Adam: So
Adam: it comes out super bland.
Nicky: Yeah.
Nicky: And then like, I guess to wrap it up, he tries to apply for like universities and then...
Adam: And he gets it. He gets to go to any UK university once.
Nicky: He gets it. But then like, I think we find out that it was Pia that sent the application for him.
Nicky: Oh, his personal statement.
Nicky: Personal statement.
Nicky: Cause his was too angry.
Nicky: His was too angry.
Nicky: Oh, that made me...
Adam: That's right.
Adam: Yeah, that's it.
Adam: That's right.
Adam: No, you're right.
Adam: He got criticized because he was sending a letter and we never get to see it, but they're like, you're being way too aggressive in your personal statement.
Adam: You need to tone down your aggressiveness.
Adam: Stop being an uppity poor person that has any complaints.
Adam: You need to tone it down.
Adam: And he refuses to.
Adam: but they just paternally do it for him anyway and send it.
Adam: And he gets in and he's supposed to thank them and lick more boots.
Adam: And Pia doesn't
Khilli: go for what reason?
Khilli: Her parents
Adam: are divorced.
Khilli: That's why?
Khilli: That should be the best reason to move the fuck out of there.
Khilli: She can't
Adam: afford it anymore.
Adam: She's super poor because the guy made the right thing
Adam: and abandoned his family for the mistress he was with.
Adam: The morally right thing to do.
Adam: I think they're going
Khilli: to get a huge, huge sum of money.
Khilli: Well, she's stuck in India now crying and he gets to
Adam: go to the UK.
Adam: He
Khilli: has to pay for her education.
Khilli: Doesn't matter if he's divorcing or whatnot.
Khilli: He has to pay for his daughter's education.
Khilli: But maybe she cannot
Winnie: leave her mom alone now that she's divorcing.
Winnie: But the mom has her
Khilli: mom.
Khilli: and a friend circle.
Khilli: She could easily go.
Khilli: Like, none of the people, like, when the guy told that he cannot go abroad to study,
Khilli: the reason was, like, never enough, good enough.
Khilli: And the girl, when she doesn't go abroad, she doesn't have a good enough reason to not go.
Khilli: So I think the writers, like,
Khilli: part of the society they come from, they never have, like, they couldn't even cook up a proper reason, like why a person cannot leave the country.
Khilli: I think they don't know that what the reasons actually could be.
Khilli: It's not finances.
Adam: It's not visa. It's kind of just weird choice.
Khilli: Yeah.
Khilli: Yeah, they never cook. I've seen many people who couldn't go abroad for reasons, even if they had a chance.
Khilli: Yeah, I talk to them every day at my job.
Khilli: For proper
Khilli: reasons, they couldn't leave.
Khilli: They don't have any proper reasons.
Khilli: And they couldn't even write a proper reason for
Khilli: them
Khilli: to not leave the country.
Adam: Here's the thing.
Adam: So, because, yeah, I work with a lot of Indian students that are trying to, like, study in America.
Adam: And every one of their little sentences about why they cannot go has more...
Adam: drama and story than this entire movie
Adam: of
Adam: like why they can't afford it or some issue going on
Adam: with their family is vastly more interesting and complicated than whatever this movie says
Adam: and has two hours to say.
Winnie: actually
Winnie: Kylie
Winnie: not that you
Winnie: point out
Winnie: it's a very
Winnie: regressive ending
Winnie: like the movie
Winnie: spends so much
Winnie: time trying to
Winnie: build up her
Winnie: character
Winnie: show her
Winnie: capabilities
Winnie: to do law
Winnie: prove that
Winnie: women can do
Winnie: that just as
Winnie: much as men
Winnie: and then
Winnie: in the end
Winnie: she just
Winnie: doesn't pursue
Winnie: it
Nicky: she stays
Nicky: in India
Winnie: it would have
Winnie: been such a
Winnie: sad ending
Winnie: if he stayed
Winnie: and he didn't
Winnie: get to pursue
Winnie: his vision
Winnie: board
Winnie: but like
Winnie: but it didn't happen for her
Winnie: there's no reasoning behind
Nicky: it
Nicky: nothing
Nicky: the thing that pissed me off the most
Nicky: was the very finale
Nicky: at bonfire night
Nicky: whatever the fuck that is
Nicky: it's like
Nicky: he just
Nicky: gives that like
Nicky: I love you speech
Nicky: and then proposes to her
Nicky: like what?
Nicky: yeah that didn't
Khilli: make any sense
Nicky: for what?
Khilli: Marriage?
Nicky: Marriage. Oh my god. I think I
Adam: zoned out. Yeah, I don't even remember.
Nicky: He did.
Adam: He had that weird ring,
Adam: right? That weird
Nicky: ring and then they promised
Nicky: that they'll come back once they're done with their
Nicky: studies. So he flies off to the UK
Nicky: while she stays in India and then they need to
Nicky: get back and marry. What the
Winnie: fuck?
Winnie: They're 17, by the way. They're 17.
Adam: He's getting a handjob on the plane to university
Adam: by some other chick. It's not happening.
Adam: We
Winnie: watched this entire drama movie
Winnie: and they're going to break up in three months.
Winnie: at most anyway
Winnie: the moment he's in UK
Winnie: the
Khilli: father was like
Khilli: having a heart to heart
Khilli: conversation
Khilli: encouraging him
Khilli: like
Khilli: it's like
Khilli: he's
Khilli: she's your Juliet
Khilli: like she's the one
Khilli: if she's the one
Khilli: then go for it
Khilli: like a 17 year old kid
Khilli: that's bad parenting
Khilli: drop everything
Khilli: and bury
Adam: this woman
Adam: who doesn't really like you
Khilli: I think this is a
Khilli: like a
Khilli: Very regressive group of people thinking...
Khilli: No shit.
Khilli: Thinking of themselves as progressive
Khilli: and trying to make progressive argument in the film.
Khilli: They must be so proud of themselves.
Khilli: At their core and at their outlook towards society
Khilli: and everything, they're super regressive people.
Khilli: They're so proud of themselves.
Khilli: I had a non-racist
Adam: thought today.
Adam: I think everyone should applaud me.
Khilli: Yeah.
Winnie: We made a movie about women's empowerment.
Winnie: Now women are going to pursue law in India.
Winnie: She's a girl boss.
Adam: Yeah.
Adam: even though the schools
Adam: are really dirty here
Adam: and bad
Adam: even a woman can do it though
Winnie: oh gosh
Winnie: I think we checked
Winnie: how much time
Winnie: there was left in the movie
Winnie: about like five or six times
Winnie: while watching it
Winnie: yeah
Winnie: I thought
Winnie: you almost walked out
Winnie: like five six times
Winnie: I almost walked out
Winnie: I did not though
Adam: what was your niece's
Adam: final thoughts
Adam: on the movie
Khilli: that's that's the only thing she said and she's like uh it was fun watching with us but nothing
Khilli: else was fun about the film what
Winnie: was really fun though was watching the three of you try so hard
Winnie: to not swear
Winnie: because
Winnie: there was a nine-year
Khilli: -old in
Winnie: the room
me
Khilli: no oh
Winnie: you mean killie was the worst
Winnie: like yeah killie is the uncle here we were not swearing killie was
Adam: swearing up a storm and i
Winnie: just
Khilli: shit. No, you weren't. You were saying more.
Khilli: You said fuck at
Winnie: one point. Oh, yeah. Fuck.
Khilli: I'm sorry about that. But
Khilli: is shit swearing? I don't know. That's
Khilli: why I did. I was like, hey, Kelly, I don't know
Khilli: if
Adam: this is wrong. I don't know what they're used
Adam: to hearing, but like you're swearing.
Adam: I noticed it. Adam,
Winnie: you nearly called his
Winnie: nephew a nine-year-old a dick but i didn't but i
Adam: didn't i heard the i heard the no but i didn't
Winnie: i held
Adam: my tongue i did that for that entire night i'm actually pretty good about holding my tongue
Adam: around kids i'm like uncle kelly over here yeah
Winnie: kelly won't lost like you would swear at the most
Winnie: That's where your uncle
Winnie: Was full
Adam: of money
Adam: You just
Winnie: traumatized them
Winnie: Like
Winnie: Uncle Killie
Winnie: What happened to Uncle Killie?
Winnie: Who is
Khilli: he?
Khilli: Who does he become at night?
Khilli: No
Khilli: This is English version
Khilli: Yeah
Khilli: The English version
Khilli: Doesn't have
Khilli: Doesn't come with like
Khilli: PG
Khilli: PG-30
Khilli: Um
Khilli: You usually speak
Nicky: to them in Bengali, right?
Nicky: Yeah.
Nicky: So they just saw you
Nicky: speak
Nicky: and criticize in English.
Nicky: In Bengali I have two different
Khilli: ways of talking.
Khilli: Like when I'm with friends, I'm swearing left and right.
Khilli: And when I'm with family and kids.
Khilli: I'm totally into like
Khilli: Not swearing
Khilli: And then
Khilli: Totally into not swearing
Khilli: Like it's
Khilli: No
Khilli: Initially it took a lot of effort from me
Khilli: To not swear in front of them
Khilli: But then
Khilli: Like
Khilli: And then I got used to it
Khilli: Now I barely like
Khilli: Anything slips out
Khilli: But in English
Khilli: I didn't have the practice
Winnie: So
Adam: Yeah then the nephew
Adam: Beat us all in Tekken
Winnie: And
Adam: we all
Adam: Except for Winnie
Winnie: What?
Adam: He didn't beat you
Winnie: No no he won
Adam: Oh yeah yeah yeah
Adam: He won
Winnie: yeah
Winnie: How like
Winnie: Yeah
Winnie: How much of that was like
Winnie: Genuine on your guys
Winnie: I did lose
Adam: legitimately
Adam: You did
Winnie: lose legitimately
Winnie: That's why I almost
Winnie: Called
Adam: him a dick
Adam: I
Adam: was
Adam: that was genuine
Nicky: no I was holding back
Nicky: I was holding back
Nicky: I didn't want to beat this kid
Nicky: oh no I
Adam: really lost to a bad
Adam: I was pissed
Adam: I was going
Winnie: super easy
Winnie: like one side of me was like
Winnie: should I just win
Winnie: so that maybe he'll think
Winnie: like girls can play video games
Winnie: it'll be a life lesson
Winnie: And then the other part of me was like, no, he's a kid.
Winnie: You should never go easy
Nicky: on kids.
Winnie: And all of you guys let him win.
Winnie: So I was like, I can't be the dick now and be the only one who wins.
Winnie: I did
Nicky: not let him win.
Nicky: I wanted you to do the right thing in Avengers.
Adam: Yeah, how dare you?
Adam: I was really trying hard.
Adam: And the kid destroyed me.
Adam: Oh, man.
Adam: I was
Khilli: beating him in football all the time.
Khilli: And he legitimately beat me like two, three games.
Khilli: Yeah, he
Winnie: beat you in FIFA.
Winnie: 10-5.
Khilli: No, that was I.
Khilli: Mine was 10.
Winnie: Not according to him.
Khilli: No.
Adam: What was the controversy of this movie?
Oh, yes.
Keep on
Adam: going back.
Adam: I just want to talk about this text.
Winnie: So the movie was heavily criticized, of course, but one notable criticism came from a Pakistani journalist, Taimur Iqbal.
Winnie: And he criticized the movie and Abraham's nose.
Winnie: So I don't know if you guys noticed his nose.
Winnie: It was a little bit on the bigger side, right?
Winnie: He has like the bridge.
Khilli: So
Winnie: I think that's where he crossed the line because for the most part, I think Abraham has been handling the negative criticism well, but this is where he shot back.
Winnie: Wait, what did he
Adam: say about the nose?
Adam: He was saying he has a big nose?
Winnie: Something like that.
Winnie: I think he accused him of getting a nose job or suggested he get a nose job.
Winnie: Something like that.
Winnie: That was the thing that
Nicky: set him off?
Winnie: Right.
Winnie: So it was negative reviews about his acting, the movie, and the nose.
Winnie: And I think that's where it also became viral on social media.
Winnie: Because some of his fans were like, yeah, that's crossing a line.
Winnie: you shouldn't like i
Adam: agree take
Winnie: a dig on someone's appearance but a
Adam: 17
Khilli: year old kid no
Winnie: abraham took
Winnie: a lot of offense to it and slid into this journalist dms on instagram and screenshot
Nicky: and
Nicky: yeah
tamur
Winnie: almost like tamur you got my brother's name guess what you don't got his face you ugly
Winnie: piece of trash since you can't keep your words to yourself don't bother they're irrelevant just like
Winnie: Jesus Christ.
Winnie: That's
Nicky: really a good one.
Khilli: That
Adam: sounds 70 years.
Adam: How old
Khilli: is this guy actually in Rio?
Khilli: Abraham?
Winnie: I think early 20s.
Adam: This is a real dumb move on his part to have that in writing and some guy that already doesn't like use DMs.
Adam: Like that is a massive L.
Winnie: I also like the journalist response.
Winnie: He goes, a lot of ha ha ha laughing.
Winnie: That's my man.
Winnie: See, this is the guy I want to see in the movie.
Winnie: Not that fake Cornetto mushy cringy human.
Winnie: But hey, yes, that nose job comment was in bad taste.
Winnie: Rest, I totally own up.
Winnie: Massive fan of your dad.
Winnie: Don't let him down.
Winnie: Holy crap.
Winnie: Oh, that is so brutal.
Adam: Wowie, wowie, wowie.
Adam: That is so brutal.
Adam: That's some disco dancer energy right there.
Adam: Yes.
Adam: I wanted that.
Adam: Now that's more interesting
Winnie: than the whole movie.
Winnie: That is
Adam: so true.
Adam: Again, that guy wrote a way more interesting text, and that text had better writing than
Adam: any of this.
Nicky: Wow.
Nicky: Yes.
Nicky: savage
Nicky: apparently it
Winnie: went on
Winnie: for a while
Winnie: until it got a bit more heated
Winnie: and then Abraham
Winnie: just blocked the journalist
Winnie: on Instagram
Nicky: but that replay was
Khilli: it's one of the dopest things
Khilli: that was a good
Khilli: yeah
Khilli: he owned up to his fault
Khilli: like yeah
Khilli: the nose thing
Khilli: I shouldn't have done
Khilli: but like
Khilli: this energy
Khilli: yeah
Khilli: bring that to the film
Khilli: that was like
Winnie: you're letting your dad down
Winnie: in a very indirect
Khilli: way
Khilli: brutal
Adam: That was like Eminem at the end of 8 Mile just owning the other dude.
To
Khilli: be honest, Saif Ali Khan used to be ridiculed a lot in his earlier days.
Khilli: Also, he had a very thin voice.
Khilli: Not a very masculine, baritone voice.
Khilli: He had a very thin voice which was associated with being feminine.
Khilli: And then he was very fair, ultra fair.
Khilli: He has a bit of effeminate...
Khilli: traits in that
Khilli: those days Bollywood standard
Khilli: so he was always
Khilli: looked as not a strong hero
Khilli: right so
Khilli: I think he the first time
Khilli: when the perception changed
Khilli: was he did a
Khilli: negative role like a villain
Khilli: portrait of villain and he
Khilli: nailed the role
Khilli: terrific acting
Khilli: and looked like totally masculine
Khilli: I think he did some
Khilli: plastic surgery some certain kind already like he had also had a huge nose like and then i think
Khilli: he did something on his nose as well so yeah saifan also went through like a bunch of bullying when
Khilli: he started and i think he also bullied back yeah yeah you're saying there's anecdote right yeah
Winnie: so
Winnie: this whole controversy brought up um
Winnie: another controversy
Winnie: with Saif Ali Khan
Winnie: the father
Winnie: back in 1995
Winnie: where a journalist
Winnie: criticized his movie
Winnie: with Akshay Kumar
Winnie: I don't know which one
Winnie: it was Khilli
Khilli: Maculari Tuwanari
Winnie: yeah
Winnie: and so he gets
Winnie: very offended
Winnie: and goes to
Winnie: the journalist's house
Winnie: and punches him
Winnie: and allegedly
Winnie: also pushes
Winnie: his elderly mother
Winnie: away
Winnie: when the mother
Winnie: tried to intervene
Khilli: wow
Khilli: Wow
Khilli: It was a perfect cast
Khilli: Because what I said
Khilli: The film's name
Khilli: It literally translates to
Khilli: I am the player
Khilli: You are the loser
Khilli: Kind of
Khilli: So it was saying that
Khilli: Akshay Kumar is the player
Khilli: And Saif Ali Khan's character
Khilli: Was the kind of a loser
Khilli: Because he's
Khilli: So he was playing an actor
Khilli: Who is learning from the cop
Khilli: Akshay Kumar was the cop
Khilli: To how to act as a cop on screen
Khilli: so he was like
Khilli: internalizing
Khilli: cop behavior
Khilli: yeah
Khilli: like he was
Khilli: following him
Khilli: to like you know
Khilli: for a character study
Khilli: and then he was
Khilli: on his case
Khilli: it's an action film
Khilli: like he was on a case
Khilli: and then he
Khilli: somehow
Khilli: gets tagged along
Khilli: as a like
Khilli: it becomes a buddy film
Khilli: where he's like
Khilli: somewhat
Khilli: is cannot
Khilli: is not
Khilli: able to
Khilli: fight
Khilli: in real situation
Khilli: and stuff like that
Khilli: because he's just an actor
Khilli: and
Khilli: he learns stuff
Khilli: from
Khilli: Akshay Kumar.
Khilli: Yeah, so the journalist...
Khilli: So he used to get stereotyped
Khilli: like those kind of roles
Khilli: where he's not a macho hero.
Khilli: And then...
Khilli: I think, yeah, the journalist
Khilli: talked about how
Winnie: the teaming up with Akshay Kumar
Winnie: was more than just in the movie.
Winnie: I remember that was supposed
Winnie: to be like your gay message
Winnie: or you cannot be
Winnie: the lead hero message.
Winnie: Yeah.
Winnie: But, well, then he punched him
Winnie: and showed him that...
Winnie: He was macho
Khilli: These guys all have anger issues
Khilli: Yeah so like father like son
Khilli: Recently this guy has been stabbed in his house
Khilli: Who?
Khilli: Saif Ali Khan
Winnie: Oh by who?
Khilli: By someone
Khilli: Some burglar
Khilli: Something
Khilli: It's a very shady thing that's happening in Bollywood right now
Khilli: Like people are getting attacked
Khilli: Like people are associating with some new underground dawn that's rising up
Khilli: in what yeah so this is a good movie
Adam: too
Khilli: so he so it's hush hush like no one knows like who
Khilli: who did that
Khilli: like
Khilli: he gets goss shoved with like a knife in his so what there's a bunch of bollywood
Khilli: murders going on not murdered like like threats and attacks
Khilli: by
Khilli: a new underground
Adam: mafia yeah
Khilli: yeah
Khilli: not only bollywood also politicians one of the politicians was killed in the broad daylight in
Khilli: the street oh so this is kind
Winnie: of like what's his name uh luigi on a grand scale there's a
Winnie: no it's nothing to do with
Khilli: luigi
no
Winnie: no i'm not saying like the theme wow luigi's
Khilli: killing all
Khilli: these bollywood stars
Winnie: i'm saying like that kind of movement of like going against the
Winnie: upper class no no no
Adam: no it's just a mafia mafia takeover
back
Khilli: by that's cold that's
Khilli: i thought the revolution was starting in india no no no mafias are backed by the politicians
Winnie: Okay
Khilli: Yeah
Khilli: Most
Khilli: The ruling party
Khilli: Kind of trying to take over Bollywood
Khilli: Via mafia again
Khilli: So
Khilli: It's
Khilli: like
Khilli: It used to be like that
Khilli: Like when Daoud Ibrahim
Khilli: Was running
Khilli: A lot of scene in Bollywood
Khilli: Like
Khilli: Yeah
Khilli: He was the mafia
Khilli: Back then
Khilli: Now it's like
Khilli: You know the name of
Khilli: I think we
Khilli: We were talking about
Khilli: This guy
Nicky: Something
Khilli: some
Khilli: okay anyway
Khilli: we'll figure it out later
Khilli: after the podcast
Nicky: I feel old
Nicky: watching that movie
Nicky: it's like
Nicky: if this is what kids
Nicky: are up to these days
Nicky: I don't want to be a part of it
Khilli: no I feel young
Khilli: I feel like they are
Khilli: they were older than me
They
Winnie: looked older than this.
Adam: From their point of view towards the world.
Adam: And he was making more money than any of us doing nothing in ice water.
Adam: Oh my god, yes.
Adam: I get a car every year.
Khilli: I never earned 25,000 rupees a week in India.
Khilli: Yeah.
Nicky: Well, the only takeaway I got from the whole thing is that like,
Nicky: I knew this girl from Raipur.
Nicky: Where's Raipur?
Khilli: I don't know what, Raipur?
Khilli: Raipur?
Khilli: R-A-I-P-U-R?
Khilli: It's a place.
Khilli: It's a place you went there?
Nicky: Not a place.
Nicky: She's just from there.
Nicky: She's like this Indian girl that I know.
Khilli: Oh
Khilli: So that's the
Khilli: Okay okay okay
Khilli: Raipur is the place
Nicky: Yeah
Nicky: She's like the most
Nicky: Richest Indian
Nicky: I've ever met
Nicky: She's like super entitled
Nicky: When she goes to classes
Nicky: She would like
Nicky: You know
Nicky: Call up her parents
Nicky: To pay for things
Nicky: And
Nicky: I remember her
Nicky: Going back to her hometown
Nicky: For summer
Nicky: Or something
Nicky: And then she
Nicky: had like this
Nicky: extravagant
Nicky: birthday party
Nicky: in like a
Nicky: this like mansion
Nicky: setting
Nicky: where like
Nicky: people were just
Nicky: waiting for her
Nicky: and her friends
Nicky: were clapping
Nicky: and there was like
Nicky: this big cake
Nicky: that's the thing
Nicky: that I saw
Nicky: from Pia's
Nicky: birthday
Nicky: in the movie
Nicky: wow so that
Nicky: these scenes actually
Nicky: happen
Nicky: that's my point
Nicky: it's not
Adam: fantastical
Adam: that's how these people
Adam: really live
Adam: and that's why
Adam: it's upsetting
Nicky: it's just crazy
Nicky: like
Nicky: I didn't
Nicky: I thought like
Nicky: she was just like
Nicky: a special case
Nicky: but like man
Nicky: if that movie
Nicky: if that movie's
Nicky: if there's one takeaway
Nicky: and get from that
Nicky: I guess I'll be like
Nicky: wow people like
Nicky: them doing this
Nicky: but I feel super
Nicky: alienated from it all
Adam: ask her about
Adam: bonfire night
Adam: yeah I guess
Adam: maybe she does
Adam: I want to know
Adam: what happens there
Adam: what sacred rituals
Adam: are occurring
what the fuck
Nicky: I don't
even know.
I've never heard of it.
Adam: I am glad that the reception of this movie is negative.
Adam: I think it'd all be worse if everyone loved this movie.
Adam: Yeah, that's true.
Adam: And we're like, I don't get this.
Adam: This sucks.
Adam: But no, everyone hates it.
Adam: Everyone is rightfully calling it out.
Adam: So it's not like it's a huge hit and changing the culture or anything.
Adam: It's getting dismissed, and that's great.
Adam: Yeah.
Adam: like these actors
Adam: have a lot to prove now
Adam: like they're not gonna
Adam: coast on this or anything
Adam: so that's nice
Adam: like it shows that
Adam: you know
Adam: everyone still has
Adam: some good taste
Adam: humanity
Khilli: prevails
Khilli: we won
Khilli: yeah
it's
Adam: a story of victory
it
Nicky: sits at a 3.1
Nicky: on IMDB
Winnie: just in case anyone's wondering
Winnie: 13%
Winnie: on Rotten Tomatoes
Winnie: like it's
Winnie: getting trashed.
Winnie: I hope no one watches
Adam: this movie
Adam: because of us.
Adam: I
Winnie: still can't fully pinpoint
Winnie: why it's so terrible
Winnie: because I grew up watching
Winnie: so many rom-coms
Winnie: and some critics
Winnie: were comparing this
Winnie: to Never Have I Ever
Winnie: but it's so boring.
Winnie: It didn't have to be this bad.
Winnie: It's
Adam: not funny.
Adam: It's not smart.
Adam: There's no funny characters.
Adam: Usually rom-coms have
Adam: side characters that are funny.
Adam: There's none of that.
Nicky: The character,
Nicky: we need to talk a little bit more.
Nicky: It's like Archana Puran Singh.
Nicky: She plays the Mrs. Brazinga.
Nicky: like the
Nicky: the old lady
Nicky: trying to be
Nicky: all Gen Z
Nicky: with her terms
Nicky: like
Nicky: RTTYL
Nicky: OMG
Nicky: WTF
the
Khilli: character
Khilli: is a
Khilli: reference to
Khilli: Karan Jehor's
Khilli: first film
Khilli: oh yeah
Khilli: you mentioned it
Khilli: yeah so she was
Khilli: the same character
Khilli: was playing
Khilli: the same actor
Khilli: was playing the
Khilli: same name like namesake character miss braganza who was a some some dean or principal of the
Khilli: college the students were studying like the actors first the main characters were studying
Nicky: funny you should say that i was looking it up and it says that she reprised her role
Nicky: yes so it's like there's a school multiverse wait we literally had this conversation in
Adam: the beginning
Adam: are you joking dude
Adam: we
Adam: he tilly did say all that
Adam: And we reacted to it.
Nicky: Oh, did we?
Nicky: And we talked about
Adam: the same character
Adam: and Killy gave the same speech
Adam: earlier.
Nicky: Oh, okay.
Nicky: Well, I did, I did,
Nicky: I remember he said that.
Nicky: I don't remember he...
Nicky: There's a school,
Adam: he said there's...
Winnie: But back then
Winnie: they were in college.
Winnie: I don't know why
Winnie: they made this
Winnie: in high school
Winnie: the movie would have
Winnie: made a lot more sense
Winnie: it's not like
Khilli: MCU
Khilli: multiverse kind of thing
Khilli: right
Khilli: so when Bollywood does
Khilli: it's just
Khilli: meta reference
Khilli: that's what I was
Nicky: trying to say
Nicky: I was going back
Nicky: to what you said
Nicky: you said
Nicky: it might be a
Nicky: multiverse
Nicky: but it does feel
Nicky: like a school multiverse
Nicky: but
Adam: that's what he said
Adam: but then we said no
Adam: no no
Adam: but he said
Adam: it wasn't like the
Adam: Marvel, but then he kept going and this is exactly how it feels
Nicky: like a Marvel multiverse.
Nicky: That's my point.
Khilli: It's a school universe.
Khilli: It's not the Marvel multiverse.
Khilli: So here what happens is like people keep on referencing, like doing the similar character,
Khilli: same namesakes and everything, but it's not connected like, oh, it's one whole big story.
Khilli: It's just meta-referencing to other characters.
Khilli: characters they have played before.
Khilli: For no bigger
Adam: reason.
Adam: You're
Nicky: saying that, but I read it through and it says that she's reprising her role.
Nicky: So then I think that it's a multiverse kind of deal.
Nicky: Maybe we
Khilli: need to watch Kuch Kuch
Winnie: Hota next and see if like the surrounding, the teacher
Winnie: is all the same.
Khilli: She could be.
Khilli: She was in a university.
Khilli: Now she took a different job in a school.
Winnie: I think we talked about this.
Winnie: Does she have the same name?
Winnie: It can't be totally
Khilli: new.
Khilli: It can't be true.
Khilli: It's the same name, same actor.
Khilli: What's what?
Khilli: Oh, yeah.
Khilli: We should just solve it right now without watching that movie.
Khilli: Actually, it can't be the same person.
Khilli: I don't know.
Khilli: She was in university.
Khilli: Hey, people change his job.
Khilli: She was in university.
Khilli: Now she's in the school.
Khilli: We're trying
Winnie: so hard to make this movie.
Winnie: The movie is so disconnected
Adam: from reality.
Adam: It just became a lot more interesting now that I know this.
Adam: Give
Khilli: us something.
Adam: Give us something.
Khilli: Yeah
Adam: Wow she was interesting
Adam: In another movie
Adam: That's cool
Adam: What a cool fact
Khilli: This character
Khilli: No
Winnie: the movie is
Winnie: Disconnected from reality
Winnie: Boring
Winnie: Terrible acting
Adam: Stay on TikTok kids
Adam: Don't watch this movie
Adam: I
Winnie: mean
Winnie: I want
Khilli: to talk about
Khilli: Talk about like
Khilli: How Karanjur's film
Khilli: Are like
Khilli: Gradually declining
Khilli: Day by day
Khilli: Like he's not giving
Khilli: Enough hits
Khilli: To the point that
Khilli: Yeah
Khilli: I don't know
Khilli: He's
Khilli: I heard like he sold
Khilli: Almost half of the share
Khilli: Of Dharma production
Khilli: To someone else
Nicky: Mm
Khilli: He's tired
Nicky: There was that like
Nicky: You know
Nicky: We shared this article
Nicky: The other day
Nicky: Right
Nicky: It was like an Al Jazeera article
Nicky: Where
Nicky: They mentioned that
Nicky: K. Joe's latest films
Nicky: Have all been flops
Nicky: Yeah
Nicky: They're losing a lot of money
Nicky: Yeah
Nicky: Because the same
Winnie: kind of movies
Winnie: That made him popular
Winnie: Back in the day
Winnie: Is not gonna work anymore
Winnie: That's
Adam: exactly it
Khilli: He actually produced
Khilli: A very nice film
Khilli: I
Khilli: Definitely want
Khilli: Everyone to
Khilli: Jigra
Khilli: It's
Khilli: It starts
Khilli: Ali Abhad
Khilli: As an action hero
Khilli: and she's saving her brother from a fictional country in Southeast Asia
Khilli: where he just gets mixed up with a drug bust
Khilli: and he's about to get like life sentence
Khilli: sorry death sentence
Khilli: and then she saves him
Khilli: and it's a very nice film.
Khilli: It's directed by one of my favorite directors from Bollywood,
Khilli: Vasan Bala, but it's a really good film,
Khilli: nice set up, nice world building, nice characters,
Khilli: terrific actions, brilliant cinematography,
Khilli: amazing set design, but flops in Indian box office.
Adam: All right, this is a good time to wrap it up.
Adam: The door opened.
Adam: We need to...
Adam: We
Adam: got some more toys from the temple fair today.
Adam: Okay, guys.
Adam: So the
Khilli: takeaway from this film is like,
Khilli: don't watch this film.
Khilli: Watch Jigra.
Adam: Yeah, and we'll watch Jigra at some point.
Adam: And all the movies in the multi-school universe.
Adam: The MCU, the multi-college universe.
Adam: Yeah.
Nicky: occasional universe
it
Adam: was fun watching it i'm glad we got uh you know a real 17 year old's
Adam: perspective on it that was nice that those
Nicky: extra elements made it fun keely did uh bring your kids
Nicky: to work yeah yeah swear in front of your show how
Adam: stressful your job could be you have to watch all
Adam: these shit movies
Adam: yeah
Adam: uh yeah so yeah don't don't watch this you can skip it uh so uh but we watch this so you don't
Adam: have to uh we'll watch some better films next time uh thanks for listening please uh rate and review
Adam: i guess
Adam: you