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I like that Killy likes to sing before the recording.

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Yeah, I've sang many times.

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He can use it.

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In the hopes that I will use it for the cold open, but I never do.

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Exactly.

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Check out his music career through this podcast.

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I specifically use things that are embarrassing to Killy and none of it's his good singing.

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He keeps trying to do it.

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He has to do like this.

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Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy.

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Ah-cha, ah-cha, ah-cha.

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Alright, that's a good one.

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Welcome to Fear of Serious, Desi Films Decoded.

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The podcast where four friends from different backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema.

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I'm Winnie the Desi who's never been to India.

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Hi, I'm Killy.

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I'm from India and I love films.

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I'm like the film enthusiast.

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Why don't you sing it?

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Yeah, I'll say it again.

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Please, Adam.

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Hi, I'm Killy.

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I'm from India.

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I'm, I'm...

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What are you saying?

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It's like the hardest part in the whole podcast.

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It's saying who you are that you've done 11 times.

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Hi.

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Hi, I'm Killy.

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I'm the film enthusiast from India.

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Hi, I'm Nicky.

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I'm from Thailand and my name rhymes with Jimmy.

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That's a really good point.

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I'm Adam.

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I'm the American and today I learned that guitar phobia is real and it affects dozens

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of us every year and that you should all be more aware of it.

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So, today's film is a 1980s film called Disco Dancer.

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It is one of the cheesiest movies in Fear of Stairs history that we've ever watched and

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we did know about it to some degree thanks to like, you know, in the past we watched

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this movie called Deli Belli and in that movie there was like a character that was obsessed

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with this movie called Disco Fighter which Killy has...I remember Killy briefly mentioning

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that it was inspired by an actual movie and it's this movie that we're covering called

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Disco Dancer and Disco Dancer has a, you know, apart from the cheesy action scenes and the

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cheesy acting, the ham-fisted revenge story, there is also like...this movie also has like

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a very memorable soundtrack that doesn't extend just beyond Bollywood but also to Russians

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As we'll soon find out.

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Yeah, Killy mentioned Disco Dancer and said like we should possibly see it in the future

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and the Deli Belli character was based off Disco Dancer so like, okay, that's cool and

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I think Killy showed us the post from like, that looks kind of rad and then I was getting

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into like the Desi film scene in Blue Sky, like the Twitter clone and I saw someone,

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I was chatting with someone that had the Disco Dancer background and I was like, oh, hey,

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like we're thinking about doing that and she was this British Indian and she's like, oh,

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I'm obsessed with this movie.

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She's like, it was actually huge in the USSR and I'm like, what are you talking about?

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I had no idea of this history and I'm friends with some Russians.

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We watched Russian movies together and I asked them like, have you heard of this movie Disco

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Dancer?

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they're 39 years old and she said like, I think my parents were conceived like watching

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this movie, sorry, I think I was conceived while my parents were watching this movie.

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It was like a gigantic cultural hit and they were all like dancing to the songs and like

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the Russians just like grew up with it if you were born during the USSR so then I was

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like fascinated and then this user on Blue Sky mentioned a book which we can talk about

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later but then yeah, so I read this whole book about kind of Indian films in the USSR

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and it was great and then the user was like, oh, check out your podcast.

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It sounds like right up my alley and then she never got back to me and then ignored me

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and I messaged her a few times when I was like, hey, the book was really good and then she

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ignored me and then I was like, hey, so we watched the movie and I loved it and she ignored

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She hates our podcast and doesn't want any association with us so I'm not going to shout

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book and without her I don't think we would have watched this movie so thank you to her

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and I hope you find a better podcast that you like.

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Feel free to reach out anytime if you are listening.

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I don't think about it or anything.

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Anyways, Killy, what's your background with this?

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Yeah, so the disco dancer is played by a Bengali actor called, his name is Mithun Chakraborty.

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For a Bollywood film in 1980s, it came out on, it was released on 1982, right?

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So this film is the first Bollywood film that had dance at the center stage of it.

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of the film, dance and music, this is the first one.

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He's really a good dancer.

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local events where people would either have disco dance-offs or try to imitate Mithun's

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dance moves and there'd be prizes and stuff.

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Was this actor in, was he able to break out of that role and be in other big hits and stuff?

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He was a good action hero.

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It's like modern music and modern dance.

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Everything that Saturday Night Fever did in America in John Travolta and stuff seems like

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So like Nikki knew about it for the music and I had never heard of it before.

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Your mom never mentioned it?

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I think it's probably the oldest Bollywood film that we've discussed on this podcast

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The USSR aspect was a surprise because, you know, Adam's not joking.

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Like when you go on YouTube to look up the music, like all the comments are just flooded

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in Russia, it was like very influential or like their parents loved it.

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So let's break down.

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What's the plot?

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We'll do the plot and then we'll do the context.

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To put it simply, you know, it's your typical revenge story of a mama's boy trying to avenge his mom.

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Basically, it stars this kid called Anil and he's like basically this like street dancer.

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He's like giving joy to people through the power of music.

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He has the weirdest name.

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It's like, what's a weird name?

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Oberoi.

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No, Oberoi is a very known business cast people.

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street dancer, right, of thievery.

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He strikes Anil's mom in the most dramatic fashion possible, like the utter disrespect kind of thing.

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And his mother, you know, instead of, you know, Anil was accused of thievery, right?

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Through the power of disco dancing.

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where he's just coming in like an unknown guy coming in to, you know, win the hearts of people.

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He has such a singular focus, which is what I really like about him.

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He has like one singular memory, which is his mom getting hit by this one rich man.

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where yeah, he just destroys this man's life systematically.

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He has a relentless hatred for this man.

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like every line of dialogue this man spouts out of like revenge and hatred is like the most vindictive,

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at its most vindictive and also cheesiest.

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It's like super cheesy.

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It's like very campy, I guess.

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Like he wants to like, his mom took the fall for him.

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They had to go to Goa in exile.

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He just feels deep shame and he comes back.

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I want to go to Goa for exile.

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I'm not known for your money, but for my talent.

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You may have money and power, but I have a voice.

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Your betrayals and schemes will not end my music.

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With money, you cannot win hearts, nor can you buy a voice.

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Disco is a feeling that cannot be bought with money.

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He's like, I'm crazy talented. I'm going to destroy you.

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Every time he talks, it's pretty baller.

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He's called the current Disco King in this movie.

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He's a dick to his manager called...

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I'm just kidding.

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He finds Jimmy...

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Was he drunk? He was drunkenly walking.

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He's just standing along the road.

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So it's pitch black.

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So David Brown walks home and he's like, fuck this alcoholic rich kid.

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Because the rich kid's like, I don't want to travel to this concert.

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I'm going to fuck this girl that's with me right now.

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And the dude's like, OK, you're ruining your career.

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I don't want to work with you. I'm going to go find someone else.

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Walks along the street to go home. It's pitch black.

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He sees this dude on a bridge, just kind of skipping.

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The guy's not dancing. He's not doing anything too showy.

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He's just dancing on a bridge at night.

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He's like, I found my superstar.

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And there's a lamp pole shining on him like a stage light.

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It's quite a cinematic shot, actually.

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Yeah, but he's not good.

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You're not looking at that being like, that's a good dancer.

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I don't know. It's like that scene.

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OK, this is a weird comparison.

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But remember in A Bug's Life when Flick was looking for his bug warriors

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and then he went into this bar and there was chaos ensued.

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And then the circus troupe performers sprung out with the lights shining on them.

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It was like that.

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It was exactly like that.

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It was exactly like when Flick discovered the circus performers in A Bug's Life.

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OK, so David sees the guy dancing on a bridge, says, that's my guy.

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He's going to be the biggest star ever. And he is instantly.

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Yeah.

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Even though they were trying to throw tomatoes at him in his first performance, right?

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Because of his cast, right? Pretty much.

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No, no, because he's a hobo.

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Yeah, I know that.

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The son paid his girlfriend.

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No, not girlfriend. His sister.

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His sister was actually sabotaging and like instigating the hatred towards the new performer.

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And they were like, oh, we came here for the big star. Who is this hobo?

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They kept calling him a hobo.

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Yeah.

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Hobo, hobo, hobo.

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Which is this a translation thing?

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Like, because hobo is like a guy that is on the train and stuff.

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But in India, does it mean?

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I think they were saying hobo by itself.

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Sarachap or something like that.

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Like, yeah, like someone from the streets.

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Yeah, yeah, they were very hobo phobic.

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Yeah.

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They didn't like hobo sex toys.

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Yeah, at all. At all.

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And later she falls in love with.

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No, in that same performance, right?

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Well, you see the chemistry spark from there where she's like throwing tomatoes at him.

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Yeah, but then like.

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He was weaning her over using the power of disco dance.

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But if you watched enough Bollywood films, you'll know that the way it was set up, they're going to fall in love at some point.

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Yeah.

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From that first dance.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So he was stealing. So Rita is the girl's name.

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She's the daughter of P.N. Oberoi.

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And we get this scene where they like, you know, they're like, like we said, their relationship blossoms and

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Jimmy even gets a chance to like do this mega chat move where he takes, they go out on a date and they come back

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and he sees the father watching over from the balcony.

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And then he notices he notices that.

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So he takes the chance to just make out.

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It was so ballsy.

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It's just like, wow.

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It's like a cock move, but he's not the guy.

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So the father.

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He's cucking her dad.

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And like that's pretty ballsy.

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Number one, just I think for like an Indian film in the 80s and then also for this poor kind of outcast to do this in front of like this rich

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scummy landlord, just say fuck you basically like the kid could lose everything, but he just hate like instinctively hates this guy so much.

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He just wants to ruin his life above all else.

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Yeah, that's his biggest motivation.

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I mean, this.

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OK, so this was the girl like who invited me to when they were like kid.

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And that's that that starts the whole thing like of his father's misbehavior and everything, everything.

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So she was kind of his fan when he was like a street singer and used to and used to sing about how this world belongs to everyone, not only to the whites or the blacks.

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The world belongs to the people with hearts, big hearts.

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Yeah, the opening song is a very hippie song of like the world belongs to all of us.

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Doesn't matter what skin color you have.

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Yeah.

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And then they're right because welcome to the new international world order where it's about money, not skin color.

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So they can all agree on that.

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But he hops into a landlord's mansion and he hits his mom.

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Yeah.

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It's a reality check.

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In other words.

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Yeah, like, sure.

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Do your hippie dippy shit.

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But I'm still richer than you and I can control your life.

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Well, I see.

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OK, so this guy.

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So Jimmy's on his way to get revenge.

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He gets the girl.

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He's a he's a he's a disco superstar.

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And I actually see parallels to the last movie we watched, Sarapatha, where things it's always like the hero gets gets his comeuppance.

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He's on the rise.

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And then something tragic has to happen.

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And for disco dancers case is basically being over way, ask this hit man to like amp up the guitar to like five thousand volts and there is amplifier.

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And then like Jimmy's mom finds out of the of the assassination attempt.

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So in true Bollywood fashion, she rushes to save his life at the cost of her own life.

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So like when Jimmy was about to pick up this guitar, his mom was like making this trek all the way to the concert, runs on the stage and grabs the guitar before Jimmy could.

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And, you know, she takes the five thousand volts of electricity from her body and that's how she dies.

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She dies instantly.

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And I was like, I don't know.

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That's one way to go out on the best way to kill Jimmy was to like amp up a guitar, which is assuming that like no one.

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Assuming that like no roadie will touch it, that Jimmy himself will plug in this guitar in front of an entire auditorium.

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I feel like there'd be easier ways to kill this guy.

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But there is like this another thing because the earlier performance, Jimmy was barely touching any guitar.

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He doesn't play guitar and never ever.

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And even after this performance, never, ever.

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I saw the electric guitarist actually plugged it.

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They were just like strolling with the electric guitar without being plugged in.

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And they just music comes up.

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Oh, the first song, like when he was a kid, he was literally playing a toy guitar, right?

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The plastic toy guitar and bringing melodious harmony from that guitar.

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Actually, if you think about it, guitars have ruined his life because even when he was a kid, he got accused of theft of the young girl's guitar.

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That's kind of that's how his mom gets hit and ends up in jail.

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And he's an adult. His mom touches the guitar and he dies.

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It ruins her life. It's a foreshadowing.

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The guitar always hurts the mom.

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So the guitar phobia is.

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And the guitar is a phallic object.

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So the guitar represents like penis.

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How can you speak like that of a widower? His mom's a widower.

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So any time he tries to utilize it, the mom hurts because it's him being his own adult man and she cannot deal with that.

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And she finally tries to rob this. No, it's not.

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It's not. That's the part.

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The point is that the curtains are blue and you would take it.

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I think it's pretty canonical. I think we can all agree that the guitar is a penis.

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No, the penis doesn't have music.

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So, yeah, so he's not Jimmy's not known for it's not called disco guitar player.

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Like he's known for dancing. He barely plays guitar, but they base their whole assassination off him playing the guitar.

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The mom, yeah, jumps on stage dies. Jimmy's life is ruined.

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Jimmy's life is ruined. He goes into a deep depression like most heroes.

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He goes into his Kanye mode. And he has broken.

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And he has guitar phobia. Yeah. Yes.

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He has guitar phobia. He cannot touch his guitar again.

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And he only realizes this on stage when he's about to perform and they hand him the guitar and he freaks out.

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Pussy. Yeah.

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And then I think he's and then later on he gets his legs broken by my overall has been.

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And, you know, he's like he was stated to perform this like international disco competition.

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They wanted that he was supposed to be like his comeback. And they were sure that he was going to win.

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But, you know, Jimmy's at his lowest point. And then we get like Rita trying to sing this very iconic song.

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Jimmy.

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Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy.

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Which M.I.A. sampled later.

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Yes. Sri Lankan rap. Sri Lankan British rapper M.I.A. did like a cover remix.

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Jimmy.

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Jimmy.

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Jimmy.

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I heard that's version 3. Yeah, me too.

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I think I heard it for the first time in You Don't Mess With The Zilhan.

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Oh, it was there too? Yeah. The soundtrack of the final fight scene that Adam Sandler has.

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So they're quite popular. And this. And in Bangkok, like I've heard this music being sampled so many times.

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Yeah. Interesting.

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But there is a lot of like disco influences. So like the Jimmy song is actually influenced by another song that I think.

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What was it? Where is it from? It's a French disco. French disco song.

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And then there was another song that I think Rita was singing it. Yeah.

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But like that song, it sounded like Video Killed The Radio Star.

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And then we later find out that they did. They did also take inspiration.

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So all these like disco influences, it's no coincidence.

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They're actually like taking hits from other countries. They're being very relevant.

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They're taking like their their finger is on the pulse of the international scene and they are taking music that's popular in other places and coalescing it into this film, which is pretty good.

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So, Nikki, you mentioned that you went on YouTube and you saw a bunch of comments about Russia. Was it on this music video?

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Yes. Jimmy Aja. Yeah. Jimmy Aja.

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Like when you go on like you go on YouTube right now, there's a lot of comments about people saying that, you know, this song is more popular in Russia than it is in India or like, oh, my mom heard it when she lived in the USSR.

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We'll get into that later. So what happens at the end? What's the finale?

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So, Rizal was trying to get him to perform again. And then I think through and also as Jimmy's like old musician friend tried to like hype him up and get back into it.

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But, you know, so Jimmy gives off this like final performance on stage.

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And before the celebration could be had for his victory, Oberoi's men came in and then like shoot up the place.

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And Jimmy's friend dies in the process. And then, you know, that was like the last straw for Jimmy. Right.

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So he's this is like the climax of the movie where he's like, OK, he's now his disco powers are now coming into Super Saiyan mode.

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And he drives a car crashes into to PN Oberoi's like headquarters.

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House or something. Like mansion, motel, motel, it says PN Oberoi's motel.

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But then you get like this. The guy's just so ballsy nonstop. He's like, I'm going to drive this car to this hotel.

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He's like invincible. He rams his car through the hotel room or mansion or whatever it is where all the villains were.

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It gets into a fight and then you get like he gets all like acrobatic.

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We just like it's like poorly done. I don't know. I can't help but notice how like the people were just like every hit that this guy makes has no impact.

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It's just like very weak punches. But then, you know, you have your like cheesy sound effects.

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Well, if there was no dance choreographer, there definitely wasn't a fight choreographer.

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So it's these guys just making up their own fight choreography.

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He was like just flailing people around, like throwing people around.

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There was that one guy that just shoots off the screen. Remember, he just like flies across the street and stuff.

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Yeah. So everyone dies and then Jimmy is now the disco king and that's it. That's all that's that's all there is to the movie.

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Yeah. There's not a lot to go on. He commits violence and kills his enemies and then reigns supreme with the love of music and disco.

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Does he end up with Rita? Yeah, of course. Oh, yeah. We did see like a quick shot of them. Yeah. She was his girlfriend.

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Well, I mean, there was a scene where she yells at him on stage.

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But I think she was she was repenting like when later on, like as soon as like the performance started, she was repenting.

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She was crying for being so harsh on him and stuff like this. I think she would be forgiven.

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He got back at the wealthy man and always possibly including marrying his daughter. He banged the guy's daughter, killed his son.

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Yeah, with no nothing. And he got to claim disco crown. The dude fucking rules.

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These Hollywood movies, they just end abruptly once the conflict is solved. It just ends.

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And the same in this movie where like the whole plot is like the last half an hour, everything escalates, intensifies and it ends.

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And it always turns to like he's like doing, you know, they're doing the music and that all escalates.

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But then finally, she's like, we just got to fight. And then they just he just becomes like a good fighter somehow because he's good dancing and just punches everyone.

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In Bollywood, heroes have to be good. They have to be good at everything. They have to be good at dancing.

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They have to go with fighting, driving cars like in a building. Yeah. Jump off buildings and then like wooing women like they have to be good at everything.

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Singing, you know, I felt cheated when I found out that they're not the actual one singing the song.

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I see some people like some theologists brought out that how it's kind of similar to the how like we see the the god Krishna, who is like a womanizer, good at dancing, good at fighting, like charismatic, very charismatic figure.

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Right. So the Bollywood heroes are kind of come from that thing. Like they have to be good at everything kind of thing.

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Like not only fighting, not only like romancing, they have to be good in everything. That's what make you a star. That's what makes you like a Bollywood hero.

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To them being like idolized and seen like people worshipping them. Is it because there is an element of like.

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Yeah, there is an element of like godlike element because they cannot be failure. They cannot fail at something. They have to be good at everything.

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Like if they're playing tennis, they have to be the best player in tennis like, you know, that puts unbelievable expectations on you, the viewer.

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Yeah, yeah. If you set you up for failure to be like all these flawless heroes I'm growing up with watching on the screen, does that not affect your behavior in some way?

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I think so. It does. It does. And then people who are a bit narcissistic, they think they can do anything.

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I think if a kid is narcissistic and then he watches this Bollywood film and can relate to the heroes, I think they can see themselves as like unfollowable person.

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Like who cannot. Does that mean you think that most of the heroes in Bollywood are portrayed as narcissistic? No, they are not narcissistic.

446
00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:02,000
Yeah, but only narcissists would think that they too can achieve that. Maybe. Yeah. Everyone else knows it's fictional.

447
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:13,000
But it does seem it does seem to put, you know, like we talk about like, you know, women having to compare themselves to like extreme body, you know, presentations and stuff.

448
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:23,000
But these men in these like have to compare themselves to these flawless male characters. Does it not? Do they not feel shortcomings after? I don't know. I don't know.

449
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:33,000
No, it's not a thing that they discuss. Do they feel like it like insecure as men because they cannot be these flawless figures?

450
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:41,000
Yeah, maybe it brings it creates an unhealthy expectations of people that they make of themselves.

451
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:52,000
I just think you're staring at like superhero people all day. You see them in the tabloids and they're being they're super rich. It's just very high standards on what.

452
00:30:52,000 --> 00:31:06,000
But I rarely see like people. But people usually take up one aspect of their characteristics, like either they're very they think they're like a very good womanizer. They think they're there.

453
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:17,000
I'm the best womanizer. Yeah. I mean, they think the women are mad for them. They can think that, OK, I'm a good dancer. They can think, oh, I'm a good fighter.

454
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Like, I think I've seen people focusing on a singular aspect of the multitude of the character. Yeah.

455
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:31,000
So a lot of people try to impersonate Mithun after this movie. Yeah. I mean, they're impersonator everywhere.

456
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Is it the same here? Bullyard heroes have always had like so many impersonator.

457
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:46,000
So I was I was listening to this dance like a really good dancer and choreographer. And he was a hero back in his time a little bit.

458
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:53,000
Prabhu Deva. He's like the choreographer, dancer, actor from Indian film.

459
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:58,000
That he comes from Tamil film industry and then he worked in Bullyard for Bullyard as well.

460
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:08,000
So he he was saying that when he was a kid, he was inspired by Mithun like this disco dancer film, like how much this film was an inspiration to him.

461
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:14,720
to him. So his father was the director of a Tamil remake of this film. So he was very close to the

462
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:25,680
actual content. So he said that the style, that Mitunda's style is something that he really,

463
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,080
like all of them looked up to. So I kind of didn't realize like what is he referring to? What is his

464
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:36,320
style? Then when he did that step, so I realized that it's that sassiness that he walks in and

465
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:43,040
the, I mean that in today's context might look weird like, but in that, those days context that

466
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:50,080
those moves were like kind of catchy for people to get that like, oh a hero is not just

467
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:58,000
doing old school type. Like Adam mentioned, it brings a kind of modernity to the Bollywood dance.

468
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:07,040
So I think those things, those groundedness of the movement kind of brought in like inspired people

469
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:13,920
a lot. And later on this guy was like a terrific dancer and then many dancers actually has referred

470
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:21,840
Mitunda as their inspiration for being a dancer actor. Yeah. So yeah, give us the context for like

471
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:29,360
the, yeah, like set the scene. Okay. So in seventies and eighties Bollywood, this thing that

472
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:38,480
where the revenge flick where the poor guy and rich guys are villain, they are bad people, poor guys

473
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:48,720
are harassed, like they're wronged in some ways and they come up and they say like most excruciating

474
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,880
stuff towards the rich people for them being rich and looking down upon their poor people

475
00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:04,080
and eventually get revenge. I mean, that was the most common Bollywood trope in that days, like

476
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:12,240
in those days, even if you see nowadays, okay, maybe the percentage has gone lower, but still

477
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:19,040
there are so many films that where this kind of theme is still intact that, okay, we are going

478
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,680
against the rich people, rich people are the bad. Now it's more sugar coated and they have, they do

479
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,960
something else, some armed deals like JaVon or something, something. I feel like rich people are

480
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,400
villainized. No. Like since Keijo kind of glorified rich people. Yeah, Keijo made the rich people

481
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,960
glorify. Yeah, but there in those days, I have seen so many Bollywood films where the rich people

482
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:48,480
are villain. I mean, their villain is come from their riches. And what's going on historically in

483
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:56,800
India at the time? Like, why is that the view? I mean, that time India was kind of like trying to

484
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:04,720
build a socialist kind of economic structure. Sorry, independence was when? It's 47. 47? Yeah,

485
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:11,760
yeah. This is still India was a kind of like a socialist tryout phase. The new globalization

486
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:20,000
was not a thing that happened in the economy. And the whole, my parents' generation, they were

487
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:26,960
taught that like, if you work, if you work without thinking of the wealth, it's the phase of nation

488
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:33,360
building. So it will pay off one day. So all of them were like, they were not, I mean, since there

489
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:39,040
was a socialist tendencies of people who had like certain jobs and stuff like that. I mean,

490
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:45,440
we're still talking about a certain percentage of people who are like top 10, 20% of people.

491
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:52,320
We're still not talking about the farmers or like bottom 80% of the people, but still in this class

492
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,320
of people, there was a hope that, okay, you know, like if we work, it will pay off and

493
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:06,240
the country will grow as a, become a rich country in one day. So this national building project had

494
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:15,280
the always the scope of like money and being rich is not in the major focus of it. And yeah,

495
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:23,760
and it's still the kind of the socialist tendency was in place. Banks were being nationalized,

496
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:35,840
airlines were nationalized, the steel factory. So in a broad scale intellectual sphere,

497
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:45,360
socialism was prevailing a lot. So the theme would come again and again into films and everywhere.

498
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,640
But there's still a huge inequality. Yeah. While, while-

499
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,840
What's going on with that?

500
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,880
I mean, that, that inequality was always there. So this is, this is the

501
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,640
dissonant, like the cognitive dissonance everyone faced at that point of time. Like,

502
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:07,520
like while the, the country is talking about it, while the, the, the intellectuals are talking

503
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:16,080
about it, but I mean, there is still inequality and I mean, the, it kind of brings in the,

504
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:22,240
the failure of leftist struggle a bit. The left intelligentsia kind of came from

505
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,560
a kind of a richer background and they don't realize what is going on the ground level,

506
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,120
how much they could reach to the poor and stuff like that. So this, this was like-

507
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:38,480
And I know tax was like abolished, but it wasn't, I mean, I don't think appropriate

508
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,920
measures were taken to like eradicate it, right?

509
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:49,680
No, like there were never a very bold move to eradicate poverty. There was one time that,

510
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,040
that thing was happening was the redistribution of the redistribution of-

511
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,080
Land?

512
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Farmland. Yeah. So that was the only one most radical move that India government did.

513
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,760
I heard they tried that, but it never actually got implemented very well.

514
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:11,680
Yeah. Very few state actually implemented that like West Bengal did it,

515
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:17,840
Kerala maybe did it a bit like where the communist party, they were kind of very leftist at that

516
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:24,720
point, like at least they're in their purview of the politics, they were leftist. They kind of

517
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:31,200
implemented redistribution of the land and another state that did it well was Kashmir.

518
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:37,360
Kashmir redistributed land a lot. So apart from those states, I don't know about Punjab,

519
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:45,920
Punjab might have done a bit more than the other states. So yeah, like it was not very successful,

520
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:53,360
but it was at least taken up by the central government and it was upon the state government

521
00:38:53,360 --> 00:39:00,160
to implement it and it kind of failed in most of the places. It kind of got worked up by some places.

522
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,120
So yeah.

523
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,320
What about the caste too? Like I know like poverty eradication stuff, but like,

524
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:13,520
I know they abolished caste, but like those are very hard as an American, you still see like racial

525
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,520
inequality like long after it was abolished too, like it's very hard to change that.

526
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,200
So one thing you will realize watching the Bollywood films from this era and how the

527
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:32,080
Sarapatta we were talking about last week. So you will see the talk of poverty, you will see the

528
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:39,680
talk of people staying there. But so for example, like this film doesn't state like which caste they

529
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:46,960
come from, but in other films where wherever there is a ragtorich's film in Bollywood, most of the

530
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:56,000
time it would be some upper caste person by their ill faith, because of their ill faith started

531
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:02,480
living in the poor slums and then they become rich again or like overcome their struggle. It's not

532
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:10,640
someone from that community like who forever for their whole generations like for lived that poor

533
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:16,480
or was barred from education or something like that coming up and then like conquering. You will

534
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:23,360
not see those characters. It would be always like someone who had been wronged or whose father had

535
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:28,640
been wronged or someone had been wronged, like taken off their things, they became poor and then

536
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,640
they come off victorious at the end of the film. I would say that's like a strength of this movie though

537
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,120
because it's like it makes it more relatable. The fact that there's no caste ties or anything makes

538
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,920
it a lot more relatable to like the global audience. But I'm wondering if there's more, if this film was

539
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,000
more influenced by what was going on domestically or globally because there was a big global socialist

540
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,320
movement already and the hippies movement as well in the 70s. So was this actually more influenced

541
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,840
by like the global? It might as well be yeah because if the dance numbers and everything is

542
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:04,800
getting influenced. I think that the dialogues and the hippies were very well received in India I

543
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:10,240
guess that point of time. I think it went to India. Yeah the people were just traveling around there.

544
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:16,080
Yeah so they had a huge influence on things and maybe like yeah so I think it was a cultural

545
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:25,120
exchange and these things were taken up. But the anti-rich state, like feelings,

546
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,880
the anti-rich vibe of Bollywood films have been a very common theme in Bollywood. That's what

547
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,560
the bottom line is. I grew up with films, like so many films. But that's changed a lot because

548
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:44,880
now I feel like they match like America. Like in America in the 70s there was some working class

549
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:50,240
you know film language going on and that's changed as well where like you know the characters just

550
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:56,720
want to be rich or like it's okay to be rich or that's not an antagonism to be rich. Like everyone

551
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:01,440
like literally the biggest superhero right now is Tony Stark a billionaire. You know what I mean?

552
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,760
Like that's not an issue or problem. Actually an interesting point is that this movie Disco Dancer

553
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:12,320
was the highest grossing Bollywood film until the 90s when Hum Abke Hai Kun came out and that became

554
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,120
the highest grossing film. But that's about a rich family. Right exactly. So the theme like from Disco

555
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,440
Dancer being anti-rich and now you have this movie surpassing it in the box office and it's kind of

556
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,080
glamorizing wealth and rich families. So it's completely opposite. It's a radical culture shift.

557
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:36,560
That kind of like kind of reflects the globalization and the economic change in India.

558
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:42,560
Like people started dreaming of being rich. From socialist to neoliberal. I mean you just see the switch.

559
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:49,760
I think also another thing is like there are no like rarely good rich people in the films.

560
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:55,440
Like it was kind of undertone that if you are rich you become rich by doing something bad.

561
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Which is true. That is true. Yeah. You have to be a mean psycho that doesn't care about other people.

562
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,920
Like if you're the kid of that wealth no not necessarily but to gain that wealth initially yes.

563
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,360
And then by the 90s they're not even analyzing the source of wealth. They're just like look at our

564
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:17,840
lifestyles. We're living so lavishly. They never talk about how they get the wealth.

565
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:24,000
Even for the KJOS film like they never discuss or never even like show a little bit. I think

566
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,800
the Hum Abke Hai Kun's predecessor is the movie that the same director made.

567
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:36,880
So there at least we see an industry like you know the the character is like

568
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,480
indoctrined in the like he was just graduated from some university abroad and he comes back

569
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:48,000
to world and he's given like an officer's job like that in his father's factory.

570
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,640
So at least we see that there is a factory but seen from Hum Abke Hai Kun there is nothing like

571
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,840
like they're just rich. Yeah in this movie in Disco Dancer like it just assumes that

572
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,720
because he's a landlord he's bad. Like it takes the stance that landlords are bad

573
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:07,440
and business owners are bad and then later in the other films like it's not. If you own a business

574
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,760
that you could still be a really cool great person and just love you and everything.

575
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:18,560
There's not the assumption that David Brown is a good guy. He's rich. He's David Brown. The agent?

576
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:24,320
Yeah why is his name so iconic David Brown? Because he says his name so many times. I'm David Brown.

577
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,440
Like as if like whenever he says he's David Brown people would supposed to know who he is.

578
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:37,520
I have a white person's name. Please listen to me. So okay USSR again shout out to this blue sky user

579
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:43,280
who I think really doesn't like our podcast but they recommended me this book called Leave Disco

580
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:52,960
Dancer Alone Indian Cinema and Soviet Movie Going After Stalin. The author is Sudha Rajagopalan

581
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,640
and I'm just gonna basically just give some brief history here. So during Stalin's time there weren't

582
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,800
a lot of international films that were let in so it was just they were just kind of allowed to see

583
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:09,920
like other Russian-made films. So Stalin died in 1953 and in 1954 right away there was like the

584
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International Film Festival and they brought in movies from other countries and stuff and

585
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:26,960
the big first hit in the USSR was Awara. Awara yeah. Anyways Awara was a huge hit and then more and more

586
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:34,160
Indian films started like flooding in and just Russian audiences really really loved Indian films

587
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:40,880
and then so when Disco Dancer shows up Disco Dancer becomes the highest grossing film in the USSR

588
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:47,120
period. A couple interesting things is you know when the USSR slightly opened up with

589
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:52,960
international film they still they didn't want to import a ton of western movies and there just

590
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,000
weren't a lot of countries producing films at the time. In India because it was very

591
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:06,560
socialist but it was close to Soviet as well like very family values yeah you know they're not

592
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:12,720
celebrating wealth at the time like they have these kind of uh shared values it was very easy

593
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:17,840
to import these Indian films. They would dub them in Russian they would usually cut them down to like

594
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:24,160
two to two and a half hours or like serialize them like make one two or three parts. The book

595
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:30,560
surveyed some people that grew up in the USSR and saw these films and so these are some of the

596
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:38,080
reasons when they watch the Russian films in the USSR a lot of them are about big grand projects

597
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:45,280
right or like liberating people or you know what it means to be like a good worker like a good

598
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,560
member of society but they're all kind of they all have like kind of lessons in them or some message

599
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:56,720
that that they want you to receive. People really like the Indian films because it had good music

600
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:04,080
with beautiful Indian dances the songs had like unusual rhythms and they just really liked how

601
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:09,600
kind of carefree they are compared to like the really kind of stoic Russian ones you know. Okay

602
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:15,200
so this is a quote from someone so for years everything was off limits to us but then Stalin

603
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:22,800
died in 1953 and the Indian film Vagabond opened the festival in 1954. This was I must say an eye

604
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,640
opener it opened a new world one which we did not know and it came at a time when we were in a mood

605
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:34,320
to celebrate. These were my college years and Indian films were that celebration their aesthetic

606
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:40,400
and their music Indian films were a component in that new openness after 1953 and showed that our

607
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:46,560
world had expanded suddenly. Oh and someone else said Indian cinema was a diversion pure joy and

608
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:52,720
it radiated warmth. When I was young Indian cinema was where you took young girls then we both emerged

609
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:57,920
happy and contented having watched beautiful relationships unfold on screen. We both wanted

610
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:06,640
the same we came out arm in arm only Indian films did that for us. That's actually so interesting.

611
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,520
Indian movies saved my marriage. Or started my marriage. It's interesting that like specifically

612
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,560
we would take our young girls there because actually Eastern European women have a lot of

613
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:23,520
similar beliefs I'd say traditional beliefs to like Indian women. It was conservative family stuff. No so here's another one

614
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:28,560
uh someone says everything in the west is calculated superficial but Indians and Russians

615
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:35,440
seem not to crave possessions the absence of a pragmatic streak unites us for our people what

616
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:41,360
is important is community sitting around with people talking singing our lives compel us Russians

617
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:48,160
to be this way whereas your philosophy compels Indians to live the same way so yeah as family

618
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:54,880
oriented community oriented it they were uh similar in way more ways than they were with the west with

619
00:48:54,880 --> 00:49:01,280
the individualistic consumption going on. Well I would love to go to like an Indian Russian party

620
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:10,880
you just see a ton of whiskey and vodka. So uh Disco Dancer when it came out became a landmark film

621
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:18,320
so it came out in 1984 and it drew 60.9 million Soviet viewers which was the highest

622
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:25,040
turnout for any film that year domestic and international it made about like the equivalent

623
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:33,760
of 75 million domestically now well gigantic at the time so one admirer of the film um talked about

624
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:40,640
how the viewers identified with the hero with Jimmy she wrote that the auditorium rejoiced at his success

625
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:46,560
uh she was pained when he lost his mother and then grandfather it was so distressing to see his tears

626
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:54,480
his pain the horror in his eyes his fear and his hatred for the bandits. Yeah spoken like someone

627
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:00,240
who's never watched Bollywood and is not used to the intense emotions it derives. No I mean I one

628
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:06,800
thing I really uh wanna like it it kept on occurring to me again and again because like

629
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,920
when we see uh for Russian films like USR film they're so grounded like you know they're so

630
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:18,560
realistic right but but like Disco Dancer like gets rid of all kind of realism in it.

631
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,880
There's no real it's a dream state the entire time. Yeah so this is the how the like how the

632
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,680
auditorium is like there is like how the production of the auditorium where they are performing their

633
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:34,480
disco dances right it looks it looks nothing like how auditorium looks in India for a real life

634
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:41,200
how the the music is being played how the the the tracks are being like you know uh put again and

635
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:46,160
again on top like then he's playing the kids playing toy guitar and then they just percussion

636
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:53,680
just comes in like some very nice electronic music comes in and and also the fight sequence also the

637
00:50:53,680 --> 00:51:02,960
everything this this film is not grounded at all it it creates the images that can be inspired from

638
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,720
like the story it's just it's just like dream sequence stories like yeah and you don't need it

639
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:14,560
it doesn't need a ton of language yes so like there's not a huge translation barrier yeah um

640
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:21,520
and yeah the Russian films are very uh kind of stoic and yeah the landscapes are kind of

641
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,560
you know the countryside and stuff and then you just see these like crazy glitzy lights of the

642
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:32,960
disco and like locations don't make sense from one edit to another and everything is like disjointed

643
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:39,040
and and and this like just sheen had glowed to it it must have been like mesmerizing honestly

644
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,080
like revolutionary kind of to watch at the time yeah another thing i want to mention too really

645
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:50,560
quick the the last quote is funny because the the last person said that Indian films taught one to

646
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:56,720
love without an eye for personal gain they suggested that people that were hostile to these films had

647
00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:02,960
perhaps never loved like that another viewer praised Indian films because even though they

648
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:09,200
were repetitious and commercial they portrayed real men which i think is very interesting though

649
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:18,640
because this shows how much variable is in how people perceive masculinity because i think a lot

650
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,760
of people like would not see like a Bollywood film now and be like that's a real man or a lot of

651
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,560
people see Russian films and they're like that is what a real man is but meanwhile women in Russia

652
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,960
are like no no that Indian guy is what a real man is you know everyone has different definitions of

653
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:38,560
what real men are and for them it was like this disco dancer guy you know so Adam you've watched

654
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,960
a few Russian movies now have you seen elements of disco dancer influencing any of the films you've

655
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:50,240
watched it's a really good question i have not at all i haven't seen i've seen so yeah with my

656
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:54,800
Russian friends we watched Russian movies weekly too and i've been watching old USSR films and

657
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:01,840
occasionally some post-USSR films the post-USSR films are so bleak i really wish they had copied

658
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,280
more from Bollywood films but it's after after the USSR all everyone is about like

659
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:12,800
fighting for nothing and trying to find meaning in the world and just like what to do after you

660
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:18,320
lose everything it's all very bleak and the USSR films are really great but they're not musicals

661
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,760
and they're not as like outlandish as as any of the Bollywood films i'm so surprised that the

662
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,640
impact it had the influence it had yeah i know in Russia and like no directors decided to adopt

663
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,920
that approach and it's interesting right yeah because i would love to see some fusion of that

664
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:42,000
i would love to see that yeah that becomes Hollywood a musical in Hollywood so yeah real

665
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:48,960
guys that like you know love their moms a lot you know their marriage is kind of secondary and you

666
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,840
know they they they don't want money they just want to dance and stuff for a time that was

667
00:53:53,840 --> 00:54:00,160
masculinity now it's gone completely the opposite where doing anything artistic is like a waste of

668
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:05,840
time and you just need to make as much money as possible for some circles the mother complex is

669
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:13,040
like so common in indian art like indian narratives like it can be story it can be novel it can be

670
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:18,800
film the mother complex is it's so common in Bollywood like we all grew up so much so that's

671
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,360
why like you remember like when batman versus superman came and then everyone was like what

672
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:28,160
what the Martha thing is going on like why is that important it was like you know it was like

673
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,880
i was like i totally understand okay yeah yeah he feels for his mother and then like when like he

674
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,760
can totally understand what superman is going through so so this mother complex that we see

675
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:44,960
here like everything is for the mother this guy is doing for the mother it's uh it's another very

676
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,800
common trope in indian Bollywood film even like local regional films everywhere his dad isn't even

677
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:57,600
that's our dads are very rare like there are few films where you they avenge their father

678
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:03,520
and like what happened to the dad he just died even they were poor he just died it's not it's

679
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,320
not mentioned at all but the bond between the mother mother and the son because also like we

680
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:14,320
are seeing karan arjun right that was like which we like abandoned midway so they're also it's not

681
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,720
mentioned at all but the bond between the mother mother and the son because also like we were

682
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:25,120
done the midway so there also it was mother and then like yeah i mean the all like there have been

683
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:32,320
so many work of nation narratives uh where the mother and son dynamics is in the center center

684
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:37,600
plot and you don't see in american films yeah which is very rare this is not there at all

685
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:44,640
it's a very common trope anyway yeah but it's a it's a huge strength in indian films and a huge

686
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:50,080
weakness in american films like i mean like if if you see a mama boy's character in american film

687
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:55,760
he's a loser the guy loves his mom he's a huge loser but in india in these movies that we're

688
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,400
watching there's no greater trait than being completely devoted to your mom so it is very

689
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,360
interesting because america does have a big like hate your parents streak like a lot of our culture

690
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,440
is fuck your parents i mean like you guys want to get out of the house away from your parents yeah

691
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:15,280
but like in asia it's normal for kids to stay with their parents because it's an act of like

692
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,480
looking after them yeah repaying their kindness it's very different yeah like there's no concept

693
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:28,160
of i'm 18 i'm gonna leave now i was talking to a tie girl who lives with her family and i was

694
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,400
explaining like yeah it's normal here but in america like there's nothing more embarrassing

695
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,280
for both sides for the parents and for the kids like the kids are embarrassed to live at home the

696
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,200
the parents are embarrassed that their kids live with them and aren't like living on their own

697
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,000
it's just an embarrassing scenario all around but it's completely the opposite here we're like

698
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,160
if you live alone those parents that's very embarrassing for the parents if you don't live

699
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:56,240
with the family you know the mama's boy thing was also in saparta right it was but this is

700
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:00,240
every single indian film you've ever watched it's nice to see because in that movie the mom was

701
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:05,440
quite aggressive and unsupportive of his dreams but here the mom is like this lovely precious mom

702
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,040
she's so supportive of him throughout the movie yeah well that's because even like you know

703
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:15,440
sacrifice even though he was mom is mama's boy but he was like it was a kind of an antithesis of

704
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:21,040
being a mama's boy right like he has to go against his mother and then like mother's wish and has to

705
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:27,760
prove himself but here it's like it's total devotion and the whole life is perfect and it's

706
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:37,120
life whole thing everything is just goes around it yeah were you was your family like that um like

707
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:44,080
what like mother worship are you a mama's boy yeah i'm a mama's boy i guess yeah is that is everyone

708
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:52,800
like is everyone i think no it's like it's it's very uh yeah it is there because uh first of all

709
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:59,280
the more more favor that the sons get over daughters yeah it's like in for being in a

710
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:08,480
pet hugely patriarchal society that's that's one thing and then also uh but but i think that's

711
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:14,720
common in many many countries especially but the mother something like the not son like the mother

712
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:22,480
uh whole thing it's like the our land is like motherland uh it's it's uh it has been depicted

713
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:30,320
by mother characters as a as a what do you call it um as a metaphor so many times in work of art

714
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:38,640
like depicting the the land as mother like the yeah so it has been in very there's a mother india

715
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:45,680
is there this is a very very uh prominent character in bollywood film history so so this keeps on

716
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:51,200
coming and then even even there has been so many artwork like paintings and everything so that's

717
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,880
why and and and also like if you see from the religious side they're like the mother god is a

718
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:04,320
like very prominent sect of god is uh and it's like a worshiping of the power so it kind of has

719
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:11,120
like everything is kind of connected so so these things are not uncommon at all like the greatest

720
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:17,360
gift is being a woman that bears a son right yeah like that's the greatest but that's that's not

721
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:22,000
that's not explicitly told in the movies but that's in that's the reality of the society like you're

722
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,680
your work is when you have a son right that's fun yeah if you only have daughters like you are

723
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:34,560
worthless that sucks so bad yeah maybe like you were more worthless than having no so like so like

724
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:39,680
baby girls that well it's not an uncommon practice just yeah and that's female fetus

725
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:45,200
i was is a real thing but their only goal is to like because they could make more men because

726
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:50,400
they're men machines yeah female fetus side is like bad one thing i noticed in these films

727
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:57,120
i mean i always imagine like indian families to be quite large but these guys don't have like

728
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:03,760
tons of siblings ever like a disco dancer he has no sibling it's just him and his mom and a lot of

729
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:08,960
movies we watched there's like not a lot of siblings but is that like a bollywood thing that's not

730
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:14,000
normal or are indian families kind of small definitely not small i would yeah so what the

731
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:20,000
fuck so why are they disconnected yeah very interesting point i don't know to be honest like

732
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,120
what was going on no but there are brothers there are brothers in films no there are films where

733
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:30,880
there are two or three brothers i think that was so i haven't watched films from like 40s 50s where

734
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,600
are my parents generations from like when there used to be like seven six seven average number

735
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:42,640
but i i think like around 70s 80s the number kind of came down to two three kind of so it kind of

736
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:50,160
shows that in the bollywood like if the number came down to like seven of them seven so it's

737
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,520
like just a very big family in general yeah i mean i don't know the movies you see they're not huge

738
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,040
families right am i wrong is it just the movies you see no you made an interesting point i'm

739
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,560
trying to like rack my memory and think of all the movies and i feel like when there are siblings

740
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,840
that usually usually plays like towards the plot it's not just there so maybe if there's no use for

741
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:14,240
in the plot oh you have to watch this you must watch this most excruciating like enraging film

742
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:20,880
called baghwan it's like so i think we should watch that film because it has like four like

743
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:29,280
yeah that has a big family and it's it it's villainize individual individualism of the sons

744
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:37,120
and of the children and like it's it's so enraging it and we used to mock it that like this is the

745
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:42,320
trump card that the parents play on their sons that's showing this film like see you will treat

746
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:48,160
us when you're we're old like that and it was like the the weirdest film one of the weirdest

747
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:54,640
films i've ever seen from bother it's so bad and it's so pathetic baghwan that just means god right

748
01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:01,200
i think so yeah but i don't know what what this no no no it's from around early 2000s yeah

749
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:08,160
and it's yeah so that has that one had like many many sons and like four or five sons or something

750
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,760
so now i come to think of it and maybe like they didn't do it because it would have been too many

751
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:17,680
characters too many characters to play one of the the things to again because he's like constantly

752
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:24,640
just against rich people and like just doesn't give a shit and i think it's very commendable

753
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:29,600
and fun to watch frankly and like i wish more movies just had characters like him that were just

754
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:36,240
like kind of rude to like people he didn't like um but i like the most baller ass moment ever in

755
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:41,840
this movie was when he's gonna marry that that guy's daughter and he i think it's after he crashes

756
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:48,320
the car and he's like he's like he tells the dad he's like the the rich uh antagonist he's like i'm

757
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:53,440
gonna marry the daughter and and the best quote he says is when i have time i will come to you and

758
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:58,720
ask for rita's handed marriage he's like fuck you i'm gonna marry her whenever i want when i have

759
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:04,800
the time i'll ask you and you're gonna give it to me and it's so insanely baller like that shit was

760
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:11,280
just like i like you just don't see that nowadays of just people being like that and that was just

761
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,360
incredibly uh dope and i want to see that more i mean he even breaks into the home and

762
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,240
takes her away from yeah because she she calls him and says like that my father is not letting

763
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:26,800
me go and he just walks in like she's an adult like you have to let go yeah he's afraid of nothing

764
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:34,640
and i really like that except guitars they freak him out but like he has no fear of death he just

765
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:40,800
like tells all these really powerful people to their face like you suck and like you just don't

766
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:46,160
see that often i i thought i was so badass that is a very common trope they showed that you know

767
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:52,160
you remember the scene where the the father like when he takes uh like the scene nikki just mentioned

768
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:57,200
where he goes into his house and takes his uh daughter and leave with the daughter right and

769
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:02,640
the next scene is like he he calls the police and the police is talking to him so this is another

770
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:07,840
thing that happens in india so much like if a rich parent calls the police and says like oh my adult

771
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:13,200
daughter has been has eloped with this guy or something the police will because of the influence

772
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:19,120
of this guy police will actually make some stupid case of like abduction or something and put that

773
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:26,400
guy for a proper grown adult yes yes they do that and they will put if they so here the police

774
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:32,800
couldn't do it because he's a rich star that's why he had the influence to not so that but but if he's

775
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:37,760
like the downtrodden like a guy from a slum or something the police will get that guy behind the

776
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:44,640
bars the girl will go back to the family the girl will be brainwashed like tortured like like uh

777
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:51,440
tactics like you know scare tactics or whatever they will shush the girl and and most of the time

778
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:58,800
the guy will be behind the bars and and will face consequences for eloping with a rich rich girl

779
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:04,400
even though both of them are adults like the girl will be pressurized by the family to say things in

780
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,760
the court and stuff like that eventually they will do the like blackmail emotional blackmail like

781
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:16,320
multitude of plethora of tactics they'll do it is surprising that rita in the film even as a child

782
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:21,360
like um she gets beat up by her dad right when she invites him so she's after and then even when she

783
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,600
goes on a date with him as an adult the dad slaps her again so it's like kind of interesting that

784
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:32,560
despite all of this harassment this is kind of harassment now killy yeah yeah despite all this

785
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:39,840
it's physical she's still very headstrong and she still does what she wants yeah everything jimmy does

786
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,960
would kind of sentence you to death if you did it in real life at that time i feel but he doesn't

787
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:50,240
have he's not ever worried about that what did he do she's going around telling rich people like

788
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:56,720
fuck off fame at this he's he's rich that's that's yeah but he he had that attitude before he was

789
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,200
famous and then what i really liked was when he did get famous because some people are like oh now

790
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:06,800
i'm famous i i think if they made this movie now he'd be like oh i'm famous and i forgive you and

791
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:11,120
that's the lesson you take is like forgive everyone or don't worry about it no he's like

792
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:15,680
i'm gonna leverage all my power and destroy you you can't do anything about it because i'm huge

793
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:21,360
and famous now and i won't use all this leverage to hurt you and that is so fucking dope and what

794
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,640
should be done like in just all scenarios but i think now it's always like no don't hurt him or

795
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:32,400
oh oh the the rich landlord was misunderstood and bullied as a kid so like you know now we can all

796
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:37,600
get along and get married now the dad likes everyone no everyone's like fuck you dad and

797
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:42,560
the guy's like i'm gonna use and and jimmy uses all this power against him and is not humble and

798
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:48,960
is not uh gracious he's gracious to like all his old bandmates and everyone that supported him

799
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,080
but he also uses his power to punish and i like that you don't see that you do see parallels in

800
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:59,840
real life like today at least with the shooting of the ceo director like that was kind of celebrated

801
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:06,400
yeah that was celebrated publicly by everyone but you would never see a movie with that guy as the

802
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:11,760
hero yeah yeah because they don't want you to work to look up to this guy which is why when it does

803
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:18,000
happen everyone is so happy and it's universally praised we all still in our hearts hate rich people

804
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:24,080
but we're just told constantly on media that they're like good or like that you can you know like

805
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:28,480
relatable in some way they're not and we should use whatever power we have to punish them to

806
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:33,280
fuck off but like we're just trained not to that they're nice because they're the people that

807
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:38,720
produce our media so their whole thing is like hey we're actually really cool 70s bollywood will

808
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:43,360
make that mood have made that film where that guy is here i mean those are films for like

809
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:50,640
yeah killing the rich guys most of the time and and while while while so popular while romancing

810
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:57,680
their daughters that was that was that was like so common like the rich guy rich villain guy

811
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:04,080
their daughter their daughter being romanced by the hero and the guy get killed by the hero

812
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:10,080
and as well like there's no greater punishment than a poor person fucking your daughter

813
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:18,800
and then you die from him and they're right it is a horrible like fate for them and more movies

814
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:23,680
should be like that like just fucking rich dude's daughters and killing the rich guy i mean people

815
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:28,720
would fucking love that movie but no one would make that now so i love like what he was saying

816
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:34,960
was normal back then but now it's like absolutely radical i think and it shouldn't be you know i

817
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:40,080
think it's radical now like to make the those kind of statements it is absolutely netflix would

818
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:45,600
never make a show like this where like he just makes it his life mission to just like hurt a

819
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:52,800
landlord it just wouldn't really happen and and and he's like i hate money i don't need it i give

820
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,440
it i give it back we're gonna redistribute all this like anyone to help me in my past life i give

821
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:03,600
money to i have talent no one can take that away from me i don't give a shit just incredible

822
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:09,920
charisma being all like that's so hot and killed my family she's like you're right they were bad

823
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:15,600
your dancing is really good does it kill the guy or he gets arrested at the end like

824
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,520
i honestly can't remember actually died like the main antagonist

825
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,800
is he not done did i remember this all wrong i don't remember i can't remember he's taken

826
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:33,600
down in some way yeah that was so fun too but the sun does die the sun dies the sun dies

827
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,600
he killed my brother i mean he was a heroin addict so i guess he deserves to die

828
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:46,960
well yeah his son is a huge piece of shit too and was like um and and jimmy tells him like you bought

829
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:52,960
your fame i have talent i don't need to buy it like you have nothing and it kind of sucks that

830
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:57,840
then when he does singer dance it's not very good so do you have a harder time believing he he would

831
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:04,720
even so he was being pulled by the the the lady art female artist he was with like she was taking

832
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:11,040
so much better she was singing the more singing more she was on she was mostly performing and he

833
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,280
was just side kicking her like you know like we shouldn't say all the dance numbers are like

834
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:20,640
mostly him kind of like doing michael j fox and back to the future when he's like playing guitar

835
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,520
at the at his parents prom and just kind of sliding around the floor and stuff and then when they do

836
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:31,440
the big disco international tournament it's clear like nobody really talked before they started

837
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:36,640
filming so all the other countries they're like it's like france and they're just kind of like

838
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,760
shuffling around on stage not dancing with each other just kind of like dancing on their own to

839
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,880
music that's not playing in the auditorium and then they cut to an audience that's in a completely

840
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:52,480
different auditorium getting yeah clapping like the the stage work doesn't make any sense and

841
01:10:52,480 --> 01:11:00,560
i gotta say when jimmy does come back for his big disco revival he does like a krishna song

842
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:06,800
it's not disco whatsoever yeah he does like a he does he does like a song praising krishna and

843
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:13,600
he's like dressed like a bird so he has been calling gods to come to the earth for many times

844
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:19,600
like he did it for jesus he did it for oh we didn't even talk about that yeah there was a whole song

845
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:25,840
about jesus yeah and why because he was in goa is that why maybe i think that was one of the

846
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,720
reasons because goa is very christian he has this whole christian song there's shots of jesus in

847
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:36,400
these so it's very explicit it's about jesus he says jesus's name over and over again jesus come

848
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:41,040
come to come back to us like that's for the song and then again krishna come back like everyone

849
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:46,560
comes back sings a whole song about krishna and they don't really comment on that i don't know

850
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:51,200
why they did that krishna song why did they that was weird it seemed kind of shoehorned in actually

851
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,120
but then it would make sense it's like oh they they wanted to be krishna but then they do the

852
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:00,080
krishna thing and the yeah god is god like doesn't matter maybe spirit of inclusiveness both both

853
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:06,880
religions are represented in india and like with a guy named david brown i'm guessing he has christian

854
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:14,400
yeah we need to know more about david he has a mysterious past actually the guy the guy who played

855
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:20,240
david brown he's like a terrific actor like he has so many good films upon his sleeves like what is

856
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:27,200
his real name we need to know om puri what om puri om om puri p u r i that's drastically different

857
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,760
from david brown yeah but he's a really good actor he has done so many good films you know tom

858
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:38,080
cruz plays characters that are called tom cruz from his real name i don't know why he doesn't have to

859
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:44,400
have like another white name like john smith or something that's a christian name you cannot it

860
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:53,280
cannot like it's a christian name yeah indian christians are christian names yeah so yeah so

861
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:59,200
anyways disco dancer was a big hit i fucking loved it i was expecting to watch like a b-movie

862
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:04,880
cheesy thing but i i really really like this like i really like we were clapping we were having a

863
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:10,000
great time watching it we watched it with a group of people it was a blast like i don't think it's

864
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:16,480
that corny now just because you don't see content like this so one international dance competition

865
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:20,240
to another like how does it measure up to happy new year's dance competition

866
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:26,880
yeah they're very similar they're very similar there's no child death trap in this one

867
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:33,280
there's no place for the dancers to die randomly on stage which was considerate that was also

868
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:38,320
revenge flick right yeah yeah but this one they want in happy new year they wanted to steal money

869
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:45,520
and get rich yeah and in this one he wants to overturn the oligarchy yeah the indians performance

870
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:51,440
are always taking like too much time taking center stage with disco dancer it's like you know

871
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:58,240
him being scared of guitars and realistically speaking so who won like uh like jimmy won or

872
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:06,560
or or his girlfriend won it was such an abrupt ending i mean because it ended because there was

873
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:14,080
open firing in the auditorium itself right like over as gang came and fired so that's why the

874
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:19,680
i think the competition kind of when he actually watched this one he can't remember i know and

875
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:24,560
that goes to show what i think about the film i stayed up way past my bedtime to finish it

876
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:31,840
but yeah like the song calling jimmy to dance is like way more famous than i was gonna say

877
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,440
realistically speaking the show would have just ended like they would have stopped him from

878
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:41,360
performing but the whole crowd was just waiting for jimmy he's the disco king but just like in

879
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:46,640
happy new year it's always you know he saved this child this child from dying from getting impaled

880
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:53,920
like indians are the true heroes always of competitions always something else i learned

881
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:59,120
from this movie is that sand is a very natural physical therapy right like oh yeah walking his

882
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:03,840
legs are completely destroyed and then rita takes him and like helps him walk on the sand in the

883
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:09,360
beach and one month later he's like performing at this international disco competition yeah so guys

884
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:14,640
like whenever you have like a broken leg try to start the therapy the physical therapy walking

885
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,640
on the sand like i think it has the woman holding your hand specifically that i think

886
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,600
if it's your mom you get healed quicker if it's a normal woman non-mother figure takes a month

887
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:32,800
medical professionals also so the rich guy got arrested he didn't die at the end okay but like

888
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,960
it did seem like close enough people were dying left and right i mean he was a fucking

889
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,680
murderer there's a ton of ton of people dying they they weren't sad about anyone dying in this

890
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:49,600
no death is just another reality of life so yeah bad bad guys bad guy is dying it's like of course

891
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:54,320
why wouldn't they yeah yeah they should they were all addicted to heroin so it deserves it doesn't

892
01:15:54,320 --> 01:16:00,160
matter heroin or not like bad guy you're a bad guy you should die that's it uh winnie closing thoughts

893
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:04,160
for you it's not i think it was a great film it's yeah one of the movies that i've finished

894
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:11,680
watching in a while did you watch it again when i watch it again yeah i think it's a light watch

895
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:15,200
for a bollywood film like bollywood films tend to be a little bit heavy i feel like i always need to

896
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:20,080
mentally prepare but this was like a light nice watch everything's kind of predictable you know

897
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:27,520
you know what's gonna happen okay bollywood fans listening to this and really think about our

898
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,120
curation of films like saying bollywood films are tend to be very heavy

899
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:36,960
i mean you have to be ready for a roller coaster you know like this didn't feel like as big of a

900
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:41,440
roller coaster and i like the element of like going against the rich which is new it's not

901
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:45,840
something that i think we've seen in most of bollywood films that we've watched so it was quite

902
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:50,640
refreshing i love this film actually i would totally watch this again i really like it and

903
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:57,760
not like on like not ironically like i think it's a good film yeah nice yeah i think uh you know

904
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:02,640
what i want to one thing i love about this movie is that it has a lot of influence a lot of people

905
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:10,640
my partner is a dj and she even knows the jimmy song yeah that's crazy like everyone knows it like

906
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:17,920
when we played on youtube yeah it had 122 million views it's crazy crazy huge hit yeah i just love

907
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,800
i mean it's it's an easy to watch movie i like the other movies that we've been watching like

908
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:30,560
three hours three hour long uh serious watching you know and it's free on youtube yeah it's free

909
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:35,840
on youtube is it yeah yeah i shared it with friends yeah because i was recommending it hello guys

910
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:41,520
watch this film yeah last thing do we want to talk about what we did before we watched this movie

911
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:49,120
together and we where we ate oh oh yeah so maybe i i would say that we should make this tradition

912
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:53,520
so this is the first time we went to this indian restaurant in bangkok which is renowned as one of

913
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:59,280
the best indian punjabi restaurants and we had a big fat meal with butter chicken chicken tikka

914
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:04,000
all of the classics before watching the film and i think that made the movie that much better

915
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:08,720
because our bellies were full with curry super full and i want to know killy's color method for

916
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:14,720
the curry please no so the indian curry is like when you go like it's like depending on which

917
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:22,080
region is for they have this most complicated names of the curries and then like so i tend to ask the

918
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:28,720
waiter like the color of the curries so that like i have a guess like what kind of what kind of taste

919
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:37,840
that i can i can expect from those curries is that a normal question it's a smart question

920
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:43,200
i think it's a very smart question it's a very smart question because i cook i know like if a

921
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,520
curry is like a green then what to expect it's a curry question i think just the way that

922
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:52,880
killy goes about is always hilarious every time we go eat indian food so it's a red or brown curry

923
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:58,480
what is it like like the ordering takes like five to ten minutes and where did it come from

924
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,400
what did the curry feel like they're asking the recipe is like a long answer like you know they

925
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,800
have to just tell me the color yeah tell me the color i can guess but has that ever deceived you

926
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:16,880
like does the color ever yeah that can happen like a black one can be like a really sweet curry but

927
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:22,560
not usually that's like really exceptional but i can usually curry strategy what color so red ones

928
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:31,040
are kind of tangy because of tomato and stuff and uh it's it's it's like the spices tend to be like

929
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:38,640
more towards raw this is a raw flavor to the spices the brown ones usually have like more

930
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:49,200
like red chili and then more roasty kind of type and the dark black one was like it are like very

931
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:57,440
dried and how the the spices are way more cooked and what's your favorite like as darker as it goes

932
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:02,560
yeah the darker the better yeah so your favorite curry is black curry they were black curry but the

933
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:07,440
color comes from a particular so what's your favorite color curry i think dark brown yeah

934
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,680
so guys if you're watching this video i like a yellow i like a yellow one as well

935
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:22,800
so that's a dark brown curry i highly recommend yeah dark brown curry please you should be positive

936
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:29,920
yeah but but but but here is another thing like chicken tikka masala is not indian food

937
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:36,000
oh it's a british food come on come on what's your butter chicken argument you guys were both

938
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,800
talking about butter no butter chicken i was taught also as a not indian food but i i realized

939
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:46,080
that it was it was made in india but didn't you guys say like the restaurant like lives or dies

940
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:50,560
on the butter chicken or something what you guys talked a lot about how the importance of butter

941
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:55,040
chicken i think this is an easy gauge for the quality of food that's a classic dish but it can

942
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:59,280
be made so differently because it's like the main thing that most people will eat even non-indians

943
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:03,760
so some restaurants will try to cater it to like a wider palette and then tone down the flavors

944
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:08,560
in that process so you know the authenticity of a restaurant you can really tell based on the flavor

945
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:13,120
of the butter chicken but what should it be i think outside of india i think that's true for

946
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:18,160
outside of india because i've rarely seen people ordering butter chicken in india to you it's a

947
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:23,200
british dish which is about to offend so many of our listeners okay butter chicken is not

948
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,920
really but you thought that i thought that because it tastes so different it's so it's so

949
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:37,280
indian guy who moved to the uk and like try i think that's chicken tikka masala butter chicken

950
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:41,920
i think like there was there was this restaurant i went in del new delhi who claimed that they made

951
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:49,040
butter chicken first but nevertheless it was made for uh like a foreign palette yeah yeah foreign

952
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:56,960
taste how do you know that history i mean this is why no no no information on the internet

953
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,920
there's a headline says indians can decide whether or not they want to claim tikka masala

954
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:08,880
but what about butter chicken is that even argued i think it's similar to chicken tikka

955
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:14,160
butter chicken it's very similar it's both are like orange and yellow why is tikka masala not

956
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:19,840
okay so it's made in england but does it taste that different or what's the story of how chicken

957
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:25,040
tikka masala was made it's very interesting it was made by indian immigrants for sure like it's like

958
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:29,440
definitely indian immigrants but british will try to claim us you know for a change when it benefits

959
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:33,840
because they don't have anything else to claim for food like come on let them have let them have one

960
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:38,720
curry like it's okay we have don't welcome to england our national dish is a chicken tikka masala

961
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:44,000
that is so stupid that is so offensive let them have one curry we have so many like it's okay just

962
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:48,880
keep one do you like it chicken tikka masala and i'm not a big fan i think maybe more that's why

963
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:54,560
i'm already into take it because they can take it yeah so here's what i found in 2001 british

964
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:59,680
foreign secretary robin cook mentioned tikka masala in a speech claiming the benefits of

965
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:04,960
britain's multiculturalism declaring she got to chicken tikka masala is now a true british

966
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:09,920
national dish not only because it is the most popular but because it is a perfect illustration

967
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:18,240
of the way britain absorbs and adapts external influences so it was made in england yeah

968
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:25,280
i think chicken tikka was already a thing but they made the curry they made it sweeter and everything

969
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:30,480
to yeah what's the difference like what's what what because what makes chicken tikka masala

970
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:36,480
that's more to me i think the pros yeah tomato paste and like it was it was made for uh like a

971
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:43,440
non-indian taste taste palate so to sort of like not that having so it has more creaminess it has

972
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:48,480
more tomato and stuff like that the british should have like big beans and running eggs and no of

973
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:54,080
course it's not made by like they try to fry it somehow british ethnic people like it's of course

974
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:59,200
like indian ethnic people yeah but it was kind of made for them they were made for like both world

975
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:05,840
like it's a middle ground so what indian dish made in india would you recommend to a foreigner

976
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,960
just start with dahl just start with try you have to try try chicken chop chop is like you have to

977
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:18,240
try chop chop is like can be beef chop it can be chicken when he doesn't even know what you're

978
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:24,160
talking about is that north or south it's very naughty it's it's a very munglai dish it's very

979
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:31,040
rich in oil i mean it's best it's really good yeah it's kind of looks like yellow for us like

980
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:37,280
growing up chicken curry like chicken masala curry is like a very generic name it can be like like

981
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:41,120
very different in everywhere because it's it's a very generic name i don't know yeah maybe my

982
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:45,360
grandma's chicken curry but it's like brown is masala that's like yeah exactly it tastes brown

983
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:51,520
yeah we don't have the red i mean it's it's yeah that we would we would have the chicken curry

984
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:56,480
and then we would have papaya salad because my they were all like born in ubon in the north

985
01:24:56,480 --> 01:25:02,160
that's so healthy so it was a very healthy indian food at the same table but it was always dahl like

986
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:10,240
aloo gobi chicken curry also just chicken shall i try chicken chop or beef chop it's it's amazing

987
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:14,800
with biryani or i like masala i think tikka masala is the best and i don't really want to try anything

988
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:20,720
else no you have to you have to try it yeah i i figure find out where we can get yeah okay

989
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,800
okay bye bye bye

990
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:45,280
bye okay okay bye