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How old were you when you saw Shrek?

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I never watched Shrek.

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Oh, Kiwi, man.

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Your child sucks automatically.

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I watched Shrek on like 70.

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70 years old?

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You went in the future to watch Shrek.

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It's part of it.

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It's like those on 70.

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What is that?

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It's like a 3D film

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with chairs moving and water spilling.

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What do you mean on 70 though?

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They did market it like 70, 80, 10D, like that.

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Oh, like 70.

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Oh, and like some theme park?

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Yeah, Universal Studios.

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That's your first exposure to Shrek?

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No, no, no, no.

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Before that, I had Shrek stickers.

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That's so cute.

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Welcome to Fear of Seres, Desi Films Decoded,

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podcast where four friends from different backgrounds

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unlock the world of Desi cinema.

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I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India.

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Hi, I'm Kili.

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I'm from India and I love films.

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Yay.

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I'm Nikki, one of the three idiots in this podcast.

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I'm Adam and I don't like films.

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Boo.

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So today we're doing three idiots,

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which is considered by many to be a classic,

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but after watching with you cynical people,

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I'm not sure if that was the sentiment shared

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around the group.

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Well, let's get background first.

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Cause like I heard a lot about it,

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but yeah, Winnie, what's your background there?

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My background.

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I watched it a few years ago.

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I remember really liking it.

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I didn't want to decide with you guys

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cause I was in Nepal.

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So it's not fresh in my head,

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but I remember it being impactful.

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And like, I understood why it received

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the amount of attention it did.

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Yeah.

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And you didn't feel that way.

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Well, I mean, we'll talk about it.

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No, I think, again, I think it was hyped up too much

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by everyone that's seen it.

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So what you missed out Winnie was that,

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I mean, we were hyping it up so much

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and then rewatching it.

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I was delighted to see it again,

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because this is a movie that I've seen back in college.

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A friend of mine mentioned it in high school

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and the song Zubi Dubi is pretty,

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like it lives rent free in my head basically.

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But yeah, what you missed out

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when we were watching the movie is that

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these jokers are just joking a lot about the movie,

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making fun about the movie.

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Are you serious?

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I'm almost glad I missed out on that.

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You just ruined a perfectly meaningful movie.

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Like the logic, the Bollywood logic.

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I think it was a mistake that we saw PK first, okay?

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We talked about this.

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It's very similar.

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So same actor, Amer Khan, right?

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Doing a very similar role.

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And, you know, so I'd already seen PK.

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I'm not familiar with Amer Khan.

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Like, so, you know, this is all new to me.

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PK was so similar that watching it,

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the older version was like,

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okay, I've seen most of this.

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And it comes from that same school of thought.

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I have this kind of theory I have

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where some of these movies are just encouraging you

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to be clever for clever's sake.

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It creates a bunch of fucking assholes.

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Like that, like, just try to be clever, you know?

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And so like, I don't necessarily like the theme of it.

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And we can get into it.

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Like I'm all for talking back.

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I remember, I think I mentioned it in the PK

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that like why I didn't like PK that much when it came out

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was like, I'm like, oh, I have seen this guy

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doing the same thing before.

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That's why, that was one of the thing

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that put me off during watching PK,

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I think when I watched it for the first time.

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I think I mentioned it before.

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During PK podcast.

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You guys had the same experience,

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you watched, like Killy watched Three Idiots first.

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So he didn't like PK and Adam watched PK first.

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So he didn't like Three Idiots.

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Did you like Three Idiots, Killy?

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I feel like Three Idiots more than PK.

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so I, if Three Idiots is kind of loosely adopted

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from a novel called Five Points Someone

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by a writer called Chetan Bhagat.

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It's an English novel.

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I read it when I was in,

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just getting into the university.

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And it was a pretty fun novel.

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It was like people coming of age in the university

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and then like university struggle,

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engineering college struggle.

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And I was going to an engineering college

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and like what people do there,

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like these like studious people who didn't do anything bad

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or anything like funny during their school episode.

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And then they go to transition to university

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and then starts drinking and a lot of stuff.

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So I really loved that novel, the character journey of it.

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So I was, it was marketed, Three Idiots was kind of marketed

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and hyped up like, oh, this is like Five Points Someone

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on screen.

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So I went to watch Three Idiots thinking

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that it's Five Points Someone on screen.

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But when I watched it, it's hugely different.

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Like it's very different film.

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So, all right, so let's break down the plot,

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like just the big temple moments

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and then we can dissect different parts of it.

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So yeah, Nikki, break it down.

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Okay, Three Idiots, Three Idiots starts three characters,

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right?

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Amir Khan, you know, as we've all known from PK,

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he plays this quirky character.

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I think his name, his name was Rancho.

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How old is he in the movie?

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This is something I don't remember.

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Is this important detail?

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Yeah, kind of.

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Okay, so he's joining university.

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he would be 18 to 19.

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18 to 19.

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Somewhere between 17 to 19, right, like that, that range.

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so right from the get go, we know that Rancho is peculiar.

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But he has a fascination with learning.

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He's also good at questioning authority figures.

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He likes to make inventions on the fly,

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which I think is an inspiration.

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I read somewhere that the movie was inspired

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by some inventors in India,

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which is where that character trait comes from for Rancho.

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I mean, it's a very idealized point.

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It's like we are seeing inventors.

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It's every mom's dream of their nerd son.

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Every Indian mom's dream to have a son like Rancho.

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Probably every mom, not even just Indian moms.

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To have a genius kid.

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A genius kid that like owns like a boat or invent stuff

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and everyone loves him.

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And saves babies.

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And saves.

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And can be a midwife?

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Come on.

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So yeah, he's the guy, he's the character

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that is the central figure where he questions,

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you know, university norms,

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like hazing and the pressure of studying.

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He's joined in by two friends,

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Farhan Qureshi, played by R. Madhavan.

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He's the really introvert, nerdy looking guy,

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the one with the glasses,

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who has a very, who has a keen interest in photography

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but then his parents expect him to do engineering,

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which is something that he doesn't want to do.

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please his parents when his heart's really into photography.

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And then you have Sharman Joshi as Raju.

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So Raju is more of like a guy that is living in poverty

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and he's entered this university to, you know,

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get them out of the, you know, the poor lifestyle.

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he is also pressured to do well,

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which is going to be like a central theme in this movie.

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And then these three are, you know,

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what the movie calls the three idiots

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because they're always getting into trouble,

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kind of like, I was thinking more like

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Western college sitcom.

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Well, I don't think they even ever acted like idiots.

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It's just virus.

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The professor of virus was calling them idiots, right?

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He's played by Boman Irani, as we all know,

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as the guy with the seizures back in Happy New Year.

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He is, his name is Dr. Viru,

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or as the students call him, virus.

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But then he's like this strict and controlling.

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I don't think he's just, not just the professor.

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No, he's like the, the provost or the dean or something.

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He was like the dean or the principal.

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He's everything.

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He's everything, basically.

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He's bad dad.

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He's the bad dad.

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without some love interest.

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So he has a daughter called Pia,

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played by Karina Kapoor once again.

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We're seeing the same actors and actresses,

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but yeah, she's this, Karina Kapoor's character

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is this like doctor and I think-

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Not in university.

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Not in university.

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And she plays Amir Khan's love interest.

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I don't know.

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I feel like that re-watching it,

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I feel it's kind of forced, a little bit forced,

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but you know, I still love the movie.

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I don't know what you guys,

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I know you guys don't like it, but to me it was-

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So they meet.

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It's a good movie.

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And then, yeah, they fall in love.

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And then, but why do they hate Amir Khan?

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Cause he's like questioning the system.

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Like I know if Dr. Virus was like giving a speech

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about how he has this pen and it was supposed to be

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for the astronauts, for the space astronauts.

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And like nobody has ever owned it

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because it only goes to the brightest student.

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And then Amir Khan's character was like,

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why don't they just use pencils?

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I think that was the punchline.

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It's like, you know, just, he's just being a smart ass.

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And like, that's what we're gonna get

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from Amir Khan's character.

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He's just like being a smart ass.

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He's just questioning things that,

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the illogical things that Dr. Virus is saying.

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Yeah, so he's a person who challenges the norms.

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I think for me, so I've seen this movie

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from a international film festival back in my college

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here in Thailand.

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And I think we, I don't know.

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I think about why they selected it for the film festival

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is because I think there's a lot of parallels

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between our education, Thailand's education system

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and India's, because I think there's a lot of pressure

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for students to do well.

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People aren't really questioning teachers or anything.

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We're just supposed to memorize answers.

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You know, I think it sets a great example

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for students at the time for me.

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It's like to, you know, always think critically, I suppose.

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Yes. Yeah.

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I think that's, Adam, how do you feel about that

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as a Westerner?

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Well, no, no, talk about that more.

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Well, cause, so you, what was your schooling?

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So I go to international school, right?

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But then when I entered university,

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it was a very Thai style university.

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So it's one, it's Jilalongkorn University,

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which is considered one of the top universities, right?

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And entrance and the people trying to apply

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for this university, like if you come from a really,

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like really, if you come from a Thai school,

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if your educational background comes from a Thai school,

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to get into this university is considered

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like a major achievement for families.

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Like, I remember when I decided to enter the,

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do the entrance exams, I thought it was easy, right?

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I mean, I guess maybe because I've just been,

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I just had like a more privileged lifestyle.

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But anyway, I saw this girl,

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she comes from like this Thai school.

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I think she was, her family was a friend of my mom

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and were friends with my mom.

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And then like, she could not get into the university

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and they were crying, like they were literally crying

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because it was just the amount of pressure

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that's placed upon these kids are just overwhelming.

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And I think, and it's like, that's not even the worst case

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because I think not just in this university, right?

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But like in Thai universities in general,

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like the concept of like studying hard

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and working to enter like universities or passing exams,

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whatever the case, the pressure is so overwhelming

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that if they're not, if the kids are,

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if the students are not doing well,

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they might commit suicide,

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which is something we see in the movie, right?

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Yeah, which is very similar to India.

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So we get to learn a virus's character.

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He's like this really strict guy.

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He wasn't gonna, there was this one kid in the movie

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that he wanted, he couldn't finish the project in time.

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And like the, the, the virus threatened him saying that,

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you know, I'm not gonna let you graduate, you know,

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if you're not gonna get this done on time.

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And then, you know, Amir Khan's character saw that,

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saw the, saw what unfolded.

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And then he decided that, okay, he's gonna help him study.

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He was like a mechanical engineer, like making a drone,

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which is like a big deal for a student to make.

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In the film's context, right?

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So he was doing something different from everyone else.

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Like he was making some gadget, which gonna work

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and then stuff like that.

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And he was like,

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for like a science fair,

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little, little off, little off

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and couldn't finish it totally.

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And since the deadline passed and then he,

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Well, he said he had like family trouble, right?

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He also had that emotional weight.

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His father was like sick and everything.

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And then, you know, turns out that before he gets

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to help him, we find out that the guy hung himself

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in his dorm room.

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And I think that's like, I feel like when I first saw

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that scene all the way back in college,

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I thought that was powerful because-

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Being that system, like it's, that scene is really powerful

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that because at that point of time,

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we were getting to know like so many cases of suicide

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from engineering colleges, like top engineering colleges

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in India, like IITs and everywhere,

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where IITs is like this milestone that people achieve.

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Like they have to study super hard in their,

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in their class to like 10 plus two curriculum.

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It's like MIT.

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Yeah, it's like getting into MIT.

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So it's really tough and people do anything to get there.

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There is a whole coaching system kind of situation going on,

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like where they will send their kids to just study

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for the exam so that they crack the exam.

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And it's like unbelievable.

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It's so strict and so pressurizing kids,

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so much pressurizing kids.

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So those stories were coming out at that point.

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And then this film kind of uses that plot as a plot device

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in the film.

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So it really worked at that point of time.

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I'll talk about my education background,

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but also, you know, I've worked with a lot of kids

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in this region, in this age group.

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So like I've done admissions for very, very, very rich people

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applying to school and for not rich people,

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applying to school, looking to come to America and stuff

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in Thailand and Nepal and India a lot, right?

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That's kind of my main area that I work with.

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So like I do experience like a lot of these kids

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in this age group too.

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Me growing up, I went to like a private elementary school

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where it's very, very small,

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like one class per grade, right?

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Like tiny, like there's 24 kids in my grade period,

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like really, really small.

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Six sections and stuff.

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Yeah, like you were just with the same kids

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from kindergarten to eighth grade.

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Like, and you never changed.

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And like you had one teacher, like it was tiny, tiny,

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but the education was really good.

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And I learned a lot and read a lot and stuff,

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which set me up.

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Cause then for public school, I went to just a high school

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where there was 5,000 kids total.

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So it was like a huge, massive difference.

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And just cause I was like set up well in junior high

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and stuff and like was pretty literate, you know,

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and like, you know, could write papers and stuff,

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you know, high school is easy,

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but I don't think it would have been as easy and stuff.

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But I was on like, you know, the advanced track a bit.

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I was with a lot of friends that wanted to go to university.

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It was never a tremendous pressure.

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Like you were supposed to go to university

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and I knew some kids that were aiming high,

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some kid was applying to Yale and stuff.

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And that was cool.

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But a lot of the kids, so I, you know,

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so I went to high school in LA, it was a lot of Asians.

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A lot of them were just staying in like the,

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the university of California system, you know,

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so they're going to like UCLA or, you know, Berkeley

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and stuff and those were really hard to get into.

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I wanted to just be out of state.

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So I didn't focus on that,

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but there was like pressure to get into like top schools

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and people had aspirations, but there was no like,

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you know, college mills or like, you know,

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doing extracurricular or anything like that.

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And I was with the advanced placement.

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So they did care a lot about grades and stuff,

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but just wasn't, I didn't perceive it as that serious.

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They might've at home, but for me,

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like I didn't have much pressure either way.

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Like it was just assumed to go to college,

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but which one didn't really matter too much, you know?

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Working with kids here, you know,

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some people like to criticize like,

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oh, they don't, it's like rote memorization.

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They don't teach critical thinking, blah, blah, blah.

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I honestly don't think they didn't teach critical thinking

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in America either that much.

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I think it depends on the school.

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Definitely more than in Asia, for sure.

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You're allowed to like have discussions and questions

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that your professors, your teachers,

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you're not allowed to do that here.

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It's a sign of disrespect here.

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That's like a major difference.

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That's very, like that's very different with India.

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Like in India, like if you question your teacher,

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if you show that you are like interested

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and everything, you are rewarded.

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Can you disagree with your teacher?

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Because I think that's kind of like the big difference

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I noticed like studying in Thailand.

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So there would be teachers and bad teachers always, right?

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So there would be egoistic teachers

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who don't like at all people questioning them

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and their methods, but there would be teachers

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who would be like very open to discussions.

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And so there we had like experience with both of them.

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And in Indian education system,

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the teacher holds so much power over everything.

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So it basically comes down to what that teacher

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as a person is.

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And maybe sometimes the culture of that school

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or something like that.

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So it's very like low level decision.

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Like it's not like a top level decision

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how the education system is managed.

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But like I had a good chance in like privilege

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to get a good school,

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which was like a private public school kind of school

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was a good, like one of the top schools in the town

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where I'm from.

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And then I also got into a university

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which was like a very well sought out engineering school

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in West Bengal state.

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And it's like out of roughly around 150,000 student,

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like top 1000 students or something like that

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can get into that engineering school.

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So I got there.

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So you are supposed to be smart, quote unquote smart

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because you're getting there.

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And then like in any university,

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if you ask, if you disagree, if you ask question,

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you are usually like,

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usually most of the teachers are welcoming to that.

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They would, but you have to be nice about it.

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You cannot be like a brat about brat

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and just ask for sake of asking.

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You have to ask for the knowledge purpose

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and then they will entertain.

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But they had their ego issues.

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The teachers had their ego issues.

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Definitely.

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I had faced like there are a few teachers

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which were good teachers in teaching the subject

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but had huge ego.

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There are teachers who were not good teaching their subject

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but had good like huge ego and would really ruin you

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if you like, you know, argue with them and stuff like that.

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How about there were good people as well.

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So it was a mixed bag.

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But overall, like you, if you do that,

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people will look up to you.

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Like if you do smartly, like if you argue

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and if you ask questions smartly,

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people will be like, oh yeah, he's a smart guy, a smart girl.

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In Thailand though, it's wrong.

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It's not encouraged.

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It's not looked down upon.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think culture plays a big role here, right?

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Because in Asian culture,

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there's always a respect for seniority.

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If anyone's older than you, authority,

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like you do have to bow down to that to a certain degree.

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Right, so you do look up to your teachers

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and your professors.

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Whereas in the States, you kind of like,

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they're just people.

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You don't really have this massive respect towards them.

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You can call them by their first name.

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In Thailand, you have to call like sir or mister, right?

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Like very formally.

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That's true in India as well.

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Right, so like I feel like in the States,

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this kind of relationship of being able to just talk

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to your professor like an equal,

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it does encourage critical thinking.

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It encourages more leeway as well.

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Like you see that in virus as well, right?

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Like the principal in the movie,

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the reason he's so egotistical is because of culture.

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It's because he thinks that he is entitled

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to that kind of power.

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Whereas teachers in the States would not feel that way

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because they're just a professor in the day.

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This thing of exerting power over students

520
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is very also very Indian.

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Like it's there in India.

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Like while I'm saying that you are allowed to question

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and argue, but there is a but, but like there is a level.

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If you irk the professor in certain way,

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the teacher certain way, then there will be retaliation

526
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,240
and that retaliation would be bad

527
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,880
that they have the impunity to retaliate against students

528
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,440
in the education system, which is like very bad.

529
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,960
And they have ruined like,

530
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,520
there are so many stories I've heard from friends

531
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,920
in IITs like for the example I was taking,

532
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,920
I was bringing earlier,

533
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,040
there had been so many stories of like teachers

534
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,280
marking students like, oh, they have wronged me.

535
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,600
And then they will retaliate in a wrong way

536
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,040
because they are in the power position.

537
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,520
So that's very rampant.

538
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,680
That happens a lot.

539
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,520
Yeah.

540
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,960
So in that way, it's very similar.

541
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,120
And that's a prevailing theme

542
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:16,640
throughout the movie as well, right?

543
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,200
Anytime the three idiots does something against virus,

544
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,640
he's like, I'm gonna make this exam harder.

545
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,280
Gonna make sure you suffer.

546
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,320
So the structure I agree encourages critical thinking,

547
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,160
like absolutely.

548
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,400
Like being able to talk to your teacher is huge.

549
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,400
And in Thailand it's sad because like they just don't,

550
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,560
it's difficult to teach like Thai people sometimes

551
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,800
because they just like are afraid to ask questions

552
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,360
and it's like not very dynamic.

553
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,640
And it's very like conditioned in them to be that way.

554
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,040
Like they're being polite.

555
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,240
But they have a big cultural,

556
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,960
or big culture shock when they go to America

557
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,040
and like they're required to ask questions all of a sudden,

558
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,800
they don't know, like they're not used to that at all.

559
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,120
Like class participation.

560
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:58,360
But I just wanna say, I think the big difference

561
00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:00,920
and why you see like all these suicides and stuff

562
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,920
that happens is at least the time I've been in Asia,

563
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,720
a majority of the kids like do their subjects

564
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,080
because their parents ask them to.

565
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,720
And in America, I think that is less.

566
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,440
Like, and I think that changes a lot.

567
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,520
Like I think it is like when the student

568
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,800
is choosing their major and going to study what they want,

569
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,160
there's a lot less pressure.

570
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,200
But when, like if I was forced to be an engineer,

571
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,920
I would destroy myself too.

572
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,000
Cause I can't do that.

573
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,760
Like I don't have a mind for that.

574
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,400
You know, that's not what I wanna do.

575
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,360
So I, that stress and the tension

576
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,680
and all the suicide, yes, it comes from pressure

577
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,960
from the school, but I think it's also just

578
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,000
from kids doing majors they don't wanna do.

579
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,080
That their parents want them to do.

580
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,800
I think it's also interesting that I think

581
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,760
for a lot of Asian kids, like myself personally,

582
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,680
I didn't have that much pressure like in my household,

583
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,280
but I had so much self-imposed pressure

584
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,800
just because of the culture I was in,

585
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,520
maybe the friends I had.

586
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,800
So it was very much like putting pressure on myself

587
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,240
to always do well, excel in exams

588
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,080
and try to get a scholarship and stuff,

589
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,400
even though that was not directly exerted upon me.

590
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,680
So it's almost environmental as well to some degree.

591
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,720
I think engineering study in India involves around like

592
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,440
the, that Raju's character, that's a very, very common theme

593
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,040
in like engineering schools.

594
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,440
Like it's like the class mobility,

595
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,400
like education is the only way

596
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,760
that will give you class mobility.

597
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,160
Like you know, you can move to your upper class.

598
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,960
Which is a lie, but go on.

599
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,160
Like, yeah, I mean, which at the end of the day

600
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,960
doesn't work out like that, but like, yeah, it's like,

601
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,240
oh, you may be like one of those people

602
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,600
like who could change your financial burden.

603
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,840
But I have seen, I have met many people.

604
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,920
Like why did you go to engineering school?

605
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,640
Because I was good in science

606
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,600
and I loved science subjects when I was in school.

607
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,080
And so I had two options, like three options actually

608
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,040
like to study science as a like theory

609
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,040
or go to practical courses like engineering or doctor medical.

610
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,560
I kind of got into both in government college.

611
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,040
And then I, so getting into government college

612
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,360
is a, was a big deal because I was told that like

613
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,720
my parents cannot afford, wouldn't afford

614
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,680
the private college education.

615
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,680
So I have to go to the government college

616
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,480
and getting into government college was like

617
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,160
public college was like very difficult.

618
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,680
I mean, that's where like the competition comes in.

619
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,080
Right, so I kind of got into medical as well

620
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,200
but like I got to know that you have to study a lot

621
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,920
for five years to be a doctor

622
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,080
and then also study again and again.

623
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,200
And I was stupid, I was 18, I was stupid.

624
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,360
I thought like, okay, no, I don't wanna study that much.

625
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,080
So I heard that, oh, if you're,

626
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,840
once you go to the engineering college

627
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,000
you will graduate anyway and you will get a job

628
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,920
because I got into the good one and then you'll get a job

629
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,080
and then I'm set.

630
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,200
So I was like, okay, I'll take the easy way out.

631
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,800
Engineering school easy way out.

632
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,840
I studied sociology dude, I took the easy way out.

633
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,840
No, I mean, it's like, it's the easiest way

634
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,120
to get a decent job.

635
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:06,960
Yeah, yeah.

636
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,800
So that's why-

637
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,280
Did your parents have any influence on your decision?

638
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,320
Oh no, actually they wanted me to be a doctor

639
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,320
because if you get medical and engineering

640
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,000
you have to go to medical.

641
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000
That was the mindset that because a doctor is,

642
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,640
being a doctor is way more prestigious than being an engineer

643
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,440
where like in my son is this varies from places to places.

644
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,840
It's not like a generic thing to say.

645
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,560
So everyone expected me to get and people like my relatives

646
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,040
and everyone was asking me like,

647
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,680
why are you not going for medical?

648
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,840
Like you got the chance, it's so rare.

649
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,000
But then I was like, no, I just want to study engineering.

650
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,360
I cooked up some stories that I want to be an engineer

651
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,440
and the shit like that.

652
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,600
So yeah, so then I ended up in engineering school.

653
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,240
I'm so glad you didn't become a doctor.

654
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,880
Imagine saying Dr. Killy.

655
00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,920
We would not be here today.

656
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,680
I was like, thank God he's not doing surgery on me.

657
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,520
Thank God, thank God.

658
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,800
I mean, he'd be saving babies.

659
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,640
You'd be right, Joe.

660
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,040
My nickname came from university.

661
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,080
So if I were in medical college

662
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,240
maybe my nickname would be something different.

663
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,320
But yeah, the person would be-

664
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,640
Dr. Kill People.

665
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,240
I think I would have been a good doctor.

666
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,320
So Nicky, university.

667
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,000
Did you have pressure on where you went?

668
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,800
Yeah, a little bit actually.

669
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,200
My parents actually wanted me to go to the one

670
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,280
that I ended up in.

671
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,520
It was a lot of pressure.

672
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,000
In fact, now I'm being reminded of it.

673
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,320
I actually fought with my parents.

674
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,680
I didn't want to be the best.

675
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,040
I just wanted to choose my own university,

676
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,320
go where I want to go.

677
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,560
But it seems like there was that pressure

678
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,800
of disappointing my parents

679
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,440
of not going to the one that they want me to.

680
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,240
What did you study?

681
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,840
I studied communication arts.

682
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,280
So they pressured you on the university you should go to.

683
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,520
Did they have any influence on the major you chose?

684
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,000
Not on the major they chose.

685
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,840
It had to be on that.

686
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,640
What did they want you to major in?

687
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,120
It could be anything.

688
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,800
So it's similar to Winnie.

689
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,280
There is not a lot of pressure in career choice or whatever.

690
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:21,000
Just that they want me to go to a very reputable university.

691
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,480
That's literally it.

692
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,880
And Chula is one of the top.

693
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,960
I mean, it's debatable now whether it's the best.

694
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,320
No, I think all Thai families,

695
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,360
if their kids get into Chula, that's instant friends.

696
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,560
Did your parents go there too?

697
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,000
Yeah, my parents went there.

698
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,040
Chula is prestigious.

699
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,000
Chula has, I think, lower fees, I guess,

700
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,200
for the Thai studies, I guess.

701
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,040
The international, like English medium is...

702
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,520
Yeah, I think that's for most universities,

703
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,960
the international program is always a little bit more expensive.

704
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,840
But Chula, hold on.

705
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,840
I think even in my school, Thai students would go study SATs

706
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,600
for months, months just to get the score to get in.

707
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,640
Education in Thailand is very expensive.

708
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,040
That I learned after coming here.

709
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,320
Only international schools.

710
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:58,920
International.

711
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,120
Yeah, but this is the problem.

712
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,200
So with Thailand, the English education is so bad

713
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,440
that if you do have a kid that doesn't speak Thai,

714
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,440
kind of their only option is, unless it's a bilingual school,

715
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,040
it's international school.

716
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,080
And that's like 15 to 30,000 a year.

717
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:14,600
Yeah, yeah.

718
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,520
It is so...

719
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Like Thailand is great to...

720
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,440
What?

721
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,080
USD.

722
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:18,480
Yeah.

723
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,840
Oh, yeah, yeah.

724
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,360
It's up to like 1,000,000 baht.

725
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,160
I love you, yeah.

726
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,880
I love you too, it's 1,000,000 baht now.

727
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:24,360
It's very expensive.

728
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,600
It's as much as a university.

729
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,400
Yes.

730
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,320
Or more.

731
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,000
It doesn't make sense.

732
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,240
And there's no middle ground, right?

733
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,880
Like you either go to Thai public school

734
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,320
or you go to an international school

735
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,320
and pay around that much.

736
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,440
It's not like they're paying the teachers a lot of money also.

737
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,520
The international schools, they are.

738
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,840
I'm saying if you go...

739
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,920
That's the only option because the Thai schools don't do English.

740
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,880
Like the public schools.

741
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,520
Yeah.

742
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,520
That's something.

743
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,600
What I also find very interesting is that...

744
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,040
So I went to international school.

745
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,320
I'd say it was one of the cheapest international schools, right?

746
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,920
Less prestigious than the one Nicky went to for sure.

747
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,240
It's kind of fine.

748
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,480
But like, so...

749
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,360
A lot of them were Thai.

750
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,520
A lot of them were Thai speakers.

751
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,440
But we learned in English and everything.

752
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,400
But then the moment they get into university,

753
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,040
to Chulalongkorn and such,

754
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,600
they lose all their English.

755
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,840
It's almost like all the international school dynamics

756
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,680
just disappear because they enter like the Thai university system.

757
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,080
Yeah.

758
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,600
That happened to a lot of the people that went.

759
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,000
So what happens there?

760
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,280
We just adapt becoming Thai basically.

761
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,000
Well, I mean, you are Thai, but like...

762
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,360
But like, you know, I was...

763
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,160
Like talking and like...

764
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,560
What's the medium of instruction in Chulalongkorn?

765
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,120
Like what program you were in?

766
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,280
Like what was the medium of instruction?

767
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,400
It was in English, but the teacher would...

768
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,880
The professors would usually speak Thai just to make it easy for everyone.

769
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,440
I see.

770
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,440
And there were moments that, you know,

771
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,160
made me and a couple of others go like,

772
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,080
well, that's not...

773
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,200
So and this is the other thing I want to mention here is,

774
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,960
yes, there's pressure in Thailand for some certain universities,

775
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,600
but you're never going to fail.

776
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,680
Yeah.

777
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,160
What?

778
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,120
Oh, I don't know about that.

779
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,160
So like there's one university called ABAC, Assumption University.

780
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,560
And it's notorious for being very easy to get in,

781
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,080
but very difficult to get out of.

782
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:02,520
Yes.

783
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:08,000
I have a bunch of my classmates who stayed there for like six, seven years.

784
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,600
Literally.

785
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,200
That's actually not that uncommon.

786
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:16,680
They did not graduate until like I was already like working on my third year.

787
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,880
Their business model.

788
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,200
But like I'm serious, like in Thailand, it's just true.

789
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,600
Like you don't really fail.

790
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,600
Like you're not going to...

791
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,320
Like you're going to be...

792
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,200
You're going to fail out.

793
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:25,880
They're not going to fail you.

794
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,440
Yeah.

795
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,840
Yes and no, I would say.

796
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,560
I know teachers that aren't allowed to give Fs.

797
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,200
Yeah.

798
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,320
I know the people that...

799
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:40,120
Yeah, I know a person that didn't do well and he turned out OK.

800
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,880
But how did he not do well?

801
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Like he must have done really not well.

802
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,560
Yeah, like he skipped classes, didn't give a shit about exams.

803
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,080
And yeah, I mean...

804
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:49,880
In America...

805
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,880
Yeah, they like spell it.

806
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,760
In America, you miss a midterm, it's over.

807
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,320
Like in Thailand, you have so many cushions that if you like fail out,

808
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,440
it's like you did not go to school at all.

809
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,000
Like period.

810
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,320
All right.

811
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,000
I'm not going to like mention names, but they're like people, celebrities to this day.

812
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,960
They were my classmates.

813
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,160
They didn't do shit in university.

814
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,320
They skipped classes.

815
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,520
They just parted their asses all year.

816
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,600
It was a point.

817
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,760
In the past, with color, strong colors.

818
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,600
They were like valedictorian.

819
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:21,680
They didn't do crap.

820
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:28,120
And then like it kind of pissed me and a bunch of others who worked really hard just to get good grades.

821
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,800
Yeah, it validates your hard work.

822
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Yeah, it really does.

823
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,800
And then to this day, there's this one guy that I can think of right now.

824
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,120
So I'm a journalist, right?

825
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,840
I mean, I go to lifestyle events.

826
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,040
And sometimes I bump into this guy and he's doing well.

827
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,640
He's like a model, social media influencer.

828
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,720
He's like a web show host.

829
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,080
And he didn't do shit in university.

830
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,880
It's so unfair when you think of it that way.

831
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,600
So is it because the university is like literally not allowed to fail these kind of people or they just use their family money and family legacy?

832
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,200
I have no idea.

833
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,760
It could be a lie.

834
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,320
So that's a bigger debate on the education system itself.

835
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:17,240
Like how education system has become another tool for capitalism to like, you know, like so you're kind of investing on yourself to earn more money.

836
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:17,840
Yeah.

837
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:23,400
Rather than like the classes on you rather than getting knowledge or education.

838
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,040
It's like you're investing.

839
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:35,280
And so that's why we're seeing in a way that, oh, they didn't do well, but they're doing well in life because like we are thinking that education is something.

840
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:48,120
It owes us to make you put us in a better spot in the capitalistic system where we because we invested our effort and our money.

841
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:48,960
Yeah.

842
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,080
So we are supposed to get it back.

843
00:34:51,080 --> 00:35:00,360
Being the top investment, being the top student shows how much you will debase yourself for the good grade or boss in your job.

844
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:06,600
So like if you are the best, it means you followed all the rules and were the best employee possible.

845
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,920
And that's why you get top grade.

846
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:14,160
So it's basically like how much will you, yeah, like debase yourself and do whatever it takes.

847
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:22,520
Honestly, I've known so many dopers from universities and stuff like who doesn't like corporate because maybe it's like their ethical.

848
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:29,520
At some point, they took an ethical decision or moral decision that like they don't want that life.

849
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:36,800
They want different life and then like just go for like further academia or like do a mid job forever.

850
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:45,120
Full disclosure, I did graduate magna cum laude and I don't think I'm a great employee, but I think because I like saw the game a little too much.

851
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:45,640
Exactly.

852
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,480
Because you're smart.

853
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,280
If I could turn back time, I think I would have focused so much less on education and studies.

854
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,600
I think I dedicated so much and like it worked out.

855
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,600
I got a full scholarship.

856
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,640
I got to go to the States.

857
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,840
Like he's in Korea now, but like I feel like I missed out on a fun childhood.

858
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:08,600
You know, like when you're nearing 30 and you're like, oh, this is like you go straight from school to like work and you don't get that break.

859
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,880
So I feel like it's so important in college and in school, high school to just like just relax and have fun a bit.

860
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,520
Like, yeah, I got into the university and I thought like my life is done.

861
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,800
And then I stopped studying.

862
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,320
Wow.

863
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,480
We'll get back to the movie really quick because we have to, but I just want to mention.

864
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:33,280
So when I did admissions for the really, really rich Thai kids, you would meet them at like 12 years old to start their profile.

865
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,800
Nikki, did you ever see an admissions counselor?

866
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,960
I did. Yeah.

867
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,600
So like, you know, you'd see kids when they're like 12 or 13 and that's when you start them.

868
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:50,520
They have to like get a patent or like make a company, do a service, whatever, have a huge portfolio.

869
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,640
So by the time they're 16, they write a really good personal essay and go like a top university.

870
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,480
But these 12 year olds are making CVs and stuff.

871
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,920
And it's just crazy.

872
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:05,280
And again, there's usually a huge disconnect with the with the parents want and what the kid wants.

873
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,960
Because no 12 year old wants to do this at all.

874
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:15,800
What I try to tell these kids that go to college, because I wish I learned it better, too, is the whole reason.

875
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,160
And I'll say what I tell them, look, Harvard puts their classes online for free.

876
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,200
Right. Like the the the knowledge offered is not the secret part.

877
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,680
That's not what you're paying for. Right. That's free.

878
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,800
You can just read the book like that's that's nothing.

879
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,560
But you're paying for the people next to you.

880
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,480
And so like you need to network.

881
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,480
And if you're not like talking with your professors and building relationships with them and your fellow classmates,

882
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,880
like, just don't even bother going to school. It's pointless.

883
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,080
Like the point of school is like to network and build that.

884
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,520
Like you can learn fine. But again, that's free.

885
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,520
That's that's just go read that book like network while you're there.

886
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,160
Other like that's how you take advantage. Yeah.

887
00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:02,200
But bring to bring home the point like I think the the the film we are talking about.

888
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:08,080
Yeah, it's kind of kind of emphasizes on that point of the education system.

889
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:15,200
And what's the point of education system? Because the guy Rancho is not getting a degree for himself.

890
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:21,600
He's just getting the knowledge, which is like epitome of like getting a knowledge, but not caring for the degree.

891
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,480
But he's not even getting knowledge because he's just being a smart ass to teach.

892
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:34,640
So my point is like the the the direction that the director wanted to go, the film and the message to take away is really novel.

893
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,840
And I really admire that. And I really love that part.

894
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:46,520
But how did how he did about it, like how the way of like delivering the message is where it hit me.

895
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,720
Like, I'm like, wait, but you got the message.

896
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:54,320
So obviously, I got the message because it was very effective, of course, like it was on our face.

897
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,640
Yeah. But yeah.

898
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:05,920
So basically, Amir Khan is like the ultimate Reddit college dude who he shows up and he like argues with the professor with like facts and logic and owns the professor.

899
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,040
And everyone's like awed by him.

900
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,160
And he's like this peculiar guy because, yeah, he breaks all the norms, whatever.

901
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:20,600
But like, again, he's you you learn later that he just is going to like learn stuff, but he's not.

902
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,200
He's learning. He just he's there to kind of be a smart ass.

903
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,360
He's not learning shit. Maybe he's learning, but they are not showing us the learning part.

904
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,120
They're not showing the learning part. Yeah.

905
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,960
The film is just showing us his argumentative side.

906
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,520
I think he's just there to teach them.

907
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,120
He's there to reform the education system.

908
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,040
He scored well. He scored well in the exam and everything.

909
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:48,080
Yeah. So I think we should like, yeah, let's talk about the plot, like how the film goes about it.

910
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,200
What's the twist and has there like, why is it? Why is he just there to learn?

911
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:57,720
OK, so it took us like, I don't know how to get to this point, but the movie is told in like two different moments.

912
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:04,720
Like one takes place in the present day where all the characters lead successful jobs.

913
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:11,800
And the other is when they which was takes place like 10 years before that, which is when they're in college.

914
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:22,520
So the movie, the movie actually begins with Farhan and Raju being called by this other character that I failed to mention.

915
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:30,440
Chatur, Silencer. So this Chatur character, he's like the foil to Amir Khan's character.

916
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,160
He's the one that relies on being obedient.

917
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:40,600
He's the student that wants to be like top student through through memorization, memorization,

918
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,720
rote learning, that's what they call it.

919
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:51,960
And even this show aside of him where he's distracting other kids to so that he could do bad in exams so that he can top easily.

920
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,280
So he's like very antagonistic to the whole thing.

921
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:03,560
So what we find out is that he was that Chatur was supposed to give like a speech praising virus.

922
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:11,960
Yeah. And then like, you know, just as a prank, Amir Khan's character decides to like alter his speech a little bit.

923
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,840
Yeah, because he doesn't know Hindi.

924
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,160
Because he's so interested in learning.

925
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:20,840
Because he doesn't know Hindi and like he had to do like a whole Hindi speech.

926
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,160
So he made it right by the librarian.

927
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:35,320
So librarian wrote the speech for him and he changed Chamathkar to Balathkar, which is like wonderful or great to rape.

928
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:44,280
And so his his whole speech was like full with rape in windows, which was like super, super funny.

929
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,640
But what did the subtitles say?

930
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,760
It wasn't. It said screwed.

931
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:55,520
Screwed. Yeah, but it's like it's like the purest Hindi term for rape.

932
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,360
Right. Fuck or screw.

933
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,600
OK, so he delivers.

934
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,640
I guess I guess the translation is lost on non-Indian speakers.

935
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,920
Puns on a certain language.

936
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,360
It's really tough to write because puns is their puns.

937
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,320
Right. Like, it's really tough to write subtitles like.

938
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,920
But so that happened, so like he gave the speech, Chatur gave the speech.

939
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,360
Everyone was laughing at him. The virus was not pleased.

940
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,760
Chatur gets embarrassed for life.

941
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:33,440
And we get the scene where like the three idiots are celebrating at this.

942
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,240
What is that tower, Keely?

943
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,680
I think it's a water water tank.

944
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,960
It's not like a land maniacs.

945
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,560
Yeah, it's like a water tank tower.

946
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,560
I think I think it was a water tank tower or some sort of a mobile tower.

947
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,400
Or some tower in the university.

948
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,720
So, yeah, they were just laughing about the prank that they just pulled.

949
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,360
And then Chatur comes up looking all humiliated, like crying.

950
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,880
And he was like, he's making a bet with with with Amir Khan's character.

951
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,920
Like 10 years from now, let's see who is more successful.

952
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,120
And that's how the film actually begins.

953
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,440
It begins in the present day where Chatur calls these

954
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,480
Amir Khan's friends to the top of this Animaniacs tower.

955
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:19,040
And they're like, so what we, the audience and the characters find out

956
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,640
is that they don't know where Amir Khan's character is.

957
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,840
They think he's like dead or something.

958
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:25,600
And it's not...

959
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,040
He didn't keep contact with any of them.

960
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,360
He didn't keep in contact.

961
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:35,360
So it's the whole movie, the present day plotline is them going on a road trip.

962
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:41,120
There's a plot twist is that they managed to get to Rancho's mansion.

963
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:47,200
And they find out that it's like a funeral of his father.

964
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,760
But then they discover that Rancho is actually not really...

965
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,960
It's just Rancho.

966
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,000
But this is the real Rancho.

967
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,360
And the person that they've known their whole lives throughout college is

968
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,280
someone pretending to be Rancho, which is like, wow.

969
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,880
So Rancho died?

970
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,520
The real Rancho?

971
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,320
His father, it was his father's funeral.

972
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,360
His father died.

973
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,880
And then we find out that like in the past, when...

974
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,800
So Amir Khan's character, he was like...

975
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,640
Gardener's son.

976
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,600
He's the Gardener's son.

977
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,760
And I guess this kid likes to learn.

978
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,640
And I don't remember, he gets shamed for something.

979
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:27,880
Yeah.

980
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,840
So what he used to do is like...

981
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:36,320
I remember in the past timeline in the university, he was telling the

982
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:41,280
a random boy in the college that, oh, if you want to study,

983
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,600
you don't need anything else.

984
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,640
You just need a uniform and you can go sit in any classroom and study.

985
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,440
So that's what he used to do when he was a kid.

986
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,680
He was not in the school.

987
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:57,400
So he would just get his master's son's uniform or some uniform and go to the

988
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,160
school and sit in at the random class to just study, just learn things.

989
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,760
So that's what he used to do.

990
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,000
Yeah.

991
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,120
And do homework for his son.

992
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:06,240
Yeah.

993
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:12,680
So the Gardener's son, he likes to pretend to be other students from other schools.

994
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,360
And the real Rancho is like, hey, I'm going to use this to my advantage.

995
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,200
Do my homework, study up and stuff.

996
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,480
Which is symbolic of lower caste just propping up, do nothing, assholes.

997
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,480
It just reminds me of people, actually, it's actually a thing in Thailand, right?

998
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,960
People filling in other people's spots.

999
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Oh, non-stop.

1000
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:33,720
Yeah.

1001
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,720
So, you know, I don't think it's far from reality.

1002
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,400
This is actually something that...

1003
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,520
I mean, all the rich kids pay for tutors or people to do their homework or write

1004
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,160
their essays or take their tests for them.

1005
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,360
Like it happens all the time.

1006
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:44,760
Yeah.

1007
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,080
But nobody needs that anymore because we all have chat GPT.

1008
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,280
Everyone is a rich kid now.

1009
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,080
It's cool.

1010
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,560
Yeah.

1011
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,560
You can tell who use AI.

1012
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,520
Cheating is democratized.

1013
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,840
What I really like about this movie, it sounds like, is like they make a distinction between

1014
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,480
learning and getting a degree or like, you know, getting some kind of recognition.

1015
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,280
You see from Rancho, like he really just wants knowledge.

1016
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,640
He doesn't care about getting...

1017
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:09,960
Okay.

1018
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:10,200
Okay.

1019
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:15,560
When we come to the plot where who he really is now, then we can take home the point that...

1020
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:15,960
Yeah.

1021
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:16,280
Yeah.

1022
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,720
What was the message?

1023
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:18,200
Yeah.

1024
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:18,840
Go on, Nikki.

1025
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:20,760
But we already said he's a Gardener.

1026
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,240
Yeah, that's it.

1027
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:21,800
No, no, no.

1028
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,280
He was...

1029
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,520
No, then he'll reveal who he is, right?

1030
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,520
I think that was the place.

1031
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,600
No, that wasn't the big reveal, Kili.

1032
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,760
He's the scientist whom...

1033
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,320
Okay, yeah.

1034
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,640
Chatur is looking for his reason for coming to India.

1035
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,760
Another reason was like he's trying to locate this amazing scientist,

1036
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Phuong Suu Kwan Suu Wang Ru or something who is somewhere in the mountains and like

1037
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:53,400
has like infinite number of patents or something like that and to sign him up for his company.

1038
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,480
And at the end, it turns out that that was the actual Rancho.

1039
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,480
Like that was the American character.

1040
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:00,440
All right.

1041
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,560
So he did...

1042
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,160
Oh, so Rancho became a...

1043
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:09,160
He's a scientist, actual scientist who has like so many patents, but he's a teacher in kids school.

1044
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:09,720
Okay, okay.

1045
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:10,920
He's a perfect son again.

1046
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,400
All right.

1047
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,440
So, okay.

1048
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,760
Let's rewind a little bit.

1049
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:23,320
So, yes, they did find out that the gardener's son, Amir Khan's character is Phuong Suu Kwan Du.

1050
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:30,200
He's supposed to be this like entrepreneur scientist who lives in a very secluded part in the...

1051
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,080
I think it was like a...

1052
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,520
What's the region that you said?

1053
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,080
Ladakh.

1054
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:33,720
Ladakh, yes.

1055
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:34,600
It was in Ladakh.

1056
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,080
Yes, a friend of mine just went and read something.

1057
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:43,880
Anyway, so Chatur keeps chastising that he's gonna like do some partnership with the

1058
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,920
partnership with this Phuong Suu Kwan Du guy.

1059
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,800
Yeah.

1060
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:55,000
And then I guess, yeah, the twist is that we find out that at the very end, Amir Khan is that man,

1061
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:55,720
is Phuong Suu.

1062
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:56,600
Yeah.

1063
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,320
So...

1064
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,840
Yeah, so, okay.

1065
00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,640
A couple things.

1066
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,360
Number one, because the movie takes place in present day, right?

1067
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,440
It's Amir Khan as, yes, the perfect son.

1068
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:13,160
He's a super smart scientist that teaches kids, of course, and lives just in a remote place,

1069
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,640
just waiting for the girl of his dreams to come back again.

1070
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:24,520
He's 44 in this, in present day, and he plays the college kid at 18 years old.

1071
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:34,440
And Disney spends so much AI money to put these actors back in time and Harrison Ford

1072
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,560
looks like his younger self.

1073
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:36,840
They don't do any of that.

1074
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,840
It's just like they do makeup.

1075
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,440
And it was convincing for me.

1076
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:47,000
But when I found out his age, like, okay, imagine if we had a movie with Tom Cruise

1077
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,840
being like a bachelor student, because that's what it is.

1078
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,040
It's the power of Phuong.

1079
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,160
I think the point of the movie went way over your head.

1080
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,560
This is your key takeaway.

1081
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,720
That's not my key takeaway, but I will say...

1082
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:01,880
That was a huge distraction.

1083
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,680
It was like Adam would never let this part go.

1084
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,760
Like, he was so fixated on the way the game was.

1085
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:12,120
We've watched Shahrukh Khan play himself and his father, and this still got you?

1086
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,560
You should know Bollywood by now.

1087
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,080
But I'm trying to imagine the American equivalent.

1088
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,560
Like, if Brad Pitt now was playing a bachelor student, and I'd be like,

1089
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:23,880
what?

1090
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,000
This doesn't make any sense.

1091
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,320
Because especially, like, it works if you don't know who the actor is more.

1092
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,920
Because I was like, yeah, college student.

1093
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,360
He looks a little old, but whatever.

1094
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,800
He looks very good for 44.

1095
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,600
I'll say that.

1096
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:35,800
He looks very good for 44.

1097
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,920
And they didn't use any A.I., D.A., J.A., C.G.I.

1098
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,440
They just like put some makeup on.

1099
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:41,320
Yeah, okay.

1100
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,000
You have a hoodie, you're 44.

1101
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,200
Or you're a college student.

1102
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,640
But like, if you know the actor and you've grown up with him your whole life,

1103
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,440
and he's playing a bachelor student in college, it's weird.

1104
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,040
I think that's why he picked up that mannerism, that quirky mannerism.

1105
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,280
Because he was not doing that in the present self.

1106
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,640
Like, quirky mannerism.

1107
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Like, how he was behaving as a college student.

1108
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:10,920
Like, the one that you were talking about, that he's that quirky behavior that he takes to P.K. as well.

1109
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:11,400
Right?

1110
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,560
But he was, if you, like, watch it closely, like,

1111
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,720
he was not doing that when he's in Ladakh as a scientist.

1112
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:21,080
Like, in the present tense.

1113
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,280
He was not behaving like that.

1114
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,360
He was behaving a little more normal.

1115
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:24,760
Sure, yeah.

1116
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:30,520
So I think that was his differentiating part in his acting to portray a younger guy, though.

1117
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,600
Oh, so in that case?

1118
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,880
Young, they were like, queers, weird behavior.

1119
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,560
In that case, he thinks that 18-year-olds and aliens act the same way.

1120
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Yes, because he's so far removed from 18-year-old age, so he thinks that 18-year-olds are aliens.

1121
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,240
So again, it's not his acting.

1122
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:53,960
It's not, again, I think it's worse if you know who it is, because I didn't, so it wasn't a problem.

1123
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,080
But once I realized, I was like, oh, I was trying to imagine like, like, George Clooney now.

1124
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:00,680
Yeah, so context-

1125
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,760
Like, going to his first class.

1126
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,800
How do you do, kids?

1127
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:04,600
Is that not real?

1128
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,600
Is that not-

1129
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:07,400
Totally distracting?

1130
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:12,520
So it's like contextually, no, it's not distracting for Bollywood watcher or like,

1131
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:19,160
Indian film watcher, because it happens so many times that we have, like, we don't, like, even

1132
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:20,760
take that to mind.

1133
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:21,480
Now, here's the other thing.

1134
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,680
It was never a discussion.

1135
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:28,840
It may be like a think piece on an article, like, how good Aamir Khan look as a college kid,

1136
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:36,600
or like how he pulled out, pulled off a young kid's version on screen.

1137
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:38,760
That's an article.

1138
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:44,600
But I've barely seen a discussion on that point that, oh, why is this old guy

1139
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,160
playing this young kid role in the film?

1140
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:54,680
Because it's like so common, and for guys, for guys, it's very patriarchal, it's only guys.

1141
00:51:54,680 --> 00:52:02,440
Girls, whenever they cross 30, they have to do the role of mother or elder sister of the hero

1142
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:02,840
or something.

1143
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,200
They cannot be a hero anymore, like love interest anymore.

1144
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,760
It's changing, but those are like exceptions.

1145
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,520
But anyway, that is for the guys.

1146
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,920
They will be 50 or near 60, and they will play 20s, 30s.

1147
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,280
That is wild, though.

1148
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,040
Like, because again, like, you know, like, like Brad Pitt is like 60 something.

1149
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,640
He looks great for his age.

1150
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,400
I mean, like, Adam, also, just to say that I think white people and brown people age

1151
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:26,120
a bit differently.

1152
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:26,200
Sure.

1153
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:26,920
Yeah.

1154
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,960
No offense.

1155
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,680
No, it's true.

1156
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,440
But I'm just saying you know that he's Aamir Khan.

1157
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,880
He's a huge superstar.

1158
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,320
And like, you know, so we did the math.

1159
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,120
He is only four years younger than Virus, the professor that he's fighting against.

1160
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:42,920
That's actually funny.

1161
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,960
So there's like this old professor who's like, and they're fighting, and this elder guy,

1162
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,160
he's only five years older.

1163
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,720
And then his love interest was 30, not sorry, 29 or something.

1164
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:54,040
Yeah.

1165
00:52:54,040 --> 00:53:00,200
So so in the movie, he's dating older because he's a bachelor student.

1166
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,920
But in real life, he's still like six years older than her or something.

1167
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:05,320
Yeah.

1168
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:06,120
I'm bad at math.

1169
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,080
Not six, over 16, over 10 years.

1170
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:15,720
They got my main theme takeaway, but that was very distracting the entire time.

1171
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,280
And I kept having to check with them like, wait, so.

1172
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,160
Because then all of the actors with him are the same age.

1173
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,040
But the way I remember it, Adam was fixated for like 30 minutes.

1174
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:26,520
I still am.

1175
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,200
For like 30 minutes long.

1176
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,440
Like he just kept talking about the age.

1177
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,920
I can't make it kill you, look up everyone's ages on the phone.

1178
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:33,720
He calls us person.

1179
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:37,720
He missed a lot of plot points at one point, and we had to rewind it back and then start

1180
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:39,480
again from a certain point.

1181
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,000
I'm like, okay, Adam, what's the story?

1182
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,320
Yeah, Adam, I think we're about like 10 Bollywood movies in right now, if not more.

1183
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,200
And I think you should know by now that you cannot rationalize Bollywood.

1184
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,160
Imagine, imagine, imagine.

1185
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,760
Throw the logic away.

1186
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,480
We need like, think of it that time, like when we imagine Shah Rukh Khan to play his

1187
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,480
baby role or you were imagining it.

1188
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,560
Baby Shah Rukh Khan.

1189
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,800
And I put a face of Shah Rukh Khan on the baby's body for the Instagram video.

1190
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,800
Yeah, so it's totally believable.

1191
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,280
I just think it's funny that Hollywood spends like, you know, $10 million to D.H. Harrison

1192
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:12,840
Ford.

1193
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,280
And meanwhile, like India is just like, no, just throw the actor in there.

1194
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:16,760
Screw it.

1195
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,600
All right, if you didn't know America, you know anything about Bollywood movie, would

1196
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,920
you realize that he's much older than the college student?

1197
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,360
I wouldn't have known he was 44.

1198
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,400
There we go.

1199
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:25,960
That's what I'm saying.

1200
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,880
I'm saying, but if you know him, it's weird.

1201
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:33,640
Now, my theme takeaway, though, is that, okay, so he's going to school and the big and this

1202
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,920
guy and everyone's killing themselves because engineering school, it's a lot of pressure

1203
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,720
and we all want the good jobs and we all want the job interview, you know, and there's

1204
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:42,520
tremendous pressure.

1205
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,120
And here this guy that shows up and he just like challenges the professor with a bunch

1206
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,920
of like meme Reddit logic facts of like, but actually you can use a pencil in space, which

1207
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,960
is what the Russians did.

1208
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,800
It's not like a huge trivia thing.

1209
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,560
And and then you find out the end, like he didn't need the degree.

1210
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,920
He just went to learn and all these other guys, you know, like they eventually, you

1211
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,120
know, did what they wanted to do.

1212
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,480
The guy that wanted to be a photographer became a photographer and that's great.

1213
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,880
You know, like you should pursue your passion.

1214
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,240
My big point is, yeah, I think people go to school for the wrong reasons and then are

1215
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:14,120
unhappy.

1216
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,360
The takeaway is wrong because you do go to school for that degree.

1217
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,440
If you're going to learn, just read the book.

1218
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:26,040
No, I would say an environment plays a huge role in learning.

1219
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:31,800
So when I went to film school, like now, like at one point, film school, people were going

1220
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:37,800
to film school to get to use the camera because the camera was a rare thing to get to use

1221
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,920
their edit table.

1222
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,640
But when I went to film school, it's all digital already.

1223
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:42,760
So there is no point.

1224
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:48,600
But what film school helped me, like I really haven't used my alumni base yet or something

1225
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:49,640
like that.

1226
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,560
But what happened was like the feedback system was very good.

1227
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:58,040
You know, like when you were working, you getting so much feedback and the people around

1228
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:58,200
you.

1229
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:03,000
So you went to school for the exact right reason, but and we just want to learn to think,

1230
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,720
but these kids that needed to do class mobility, need to get the good degree.

1231
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:11,000
And just, of course, it's a bigger reality.

1232
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,280
It's like education system is not existing in silo, right?

1233
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:21,400
It's existing in this whole world, like rest of the world.

1234
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,560
So yeah, so that's why that education is a device to get the degree.

1235
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:26,200
So you're right.

1236
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:33,240
Like people are going to get the degree and that's the harsh reality of education system.

1237
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:38,920
And that is like not because their parents are telling them to, it's because the situation

1238
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:39,560
is like that.

1239
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,840
Like it's I mean, parents are not evil people just forcing their kids to do things like

1240
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,640
I said, they also want certain things from their kids, whether pressurizing, how much

1241
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:55,640
pressurization or everything is debatable is various from culture to culture and everything.

1242
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,240
But it's the sad reality.

1243
00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:02,760
Like they want that from their kids and the kids are kind of pressurized.

1244
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,560
So it's like an unending event of like an unending cycle.

1245
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:12,360
Like they are going to do the same thing, the similar, maybe in a different degree to

1246
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,560
their kids.

1247
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:18,360
But what should be the main takeaway from the movie or like why was it impactful for

1248
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,240
you Winnie?

1249
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:20,920
I think to, okay, sorry.

1250
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,240
I used to omit the part where you added Winnie, sorry.

1251
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,320
There was a line about like life is a race or something like that.

1252
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,720
And then it had a lot of implications on the rat race about how that's not the only way.

1253
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,160
So I don't know, I think a lot of us like bend over backwards just to make sure that

1254
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,440
we get this degree.

1255
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,240
Because when you're 18, this seems like the most important thing, right?

1256
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,800
Like you have to choose a degree, you're coming to a life path.

1257
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,880
And you have to do this all the age of 18 when you have no wisdom, no experience, you

1258
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,240
don't really know what you want.

1259
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,720
And you commit yourself to this path and you just keep going down the rabbit hole further

1260
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:54,840
and further.

1261
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,680
And I think this movie is just a way of like pulling you out and saying like, it doesn't

1262
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,800
have to be that serious.

1263
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,880
Like life is really not that serious.

1264
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,920
And for some it is like, you know, like Kelly said, class mobility.

1265
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:09,800
I think that's why I studied so hard to make sure I can move up and have a better lifestyle

1266
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,240
than I grew up having.

1267
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,040
And maybe now I can look back in hindsight and say, I should have had more fun in school.

1268
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:20,200
But also like I am here where I am today because I did put in that effort.

1269
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,480
So I think it's-

1270
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:22,520
You did really well.

1271
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,160
Right, right.

1272
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,000
But I think it's like, it's about finding the balance.

1273
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,160
And I think this movie is not saying like, no, don't study.

1274
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:27,880
It's not important.

1275
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,200
It's just about like, you know, find the balance.

1276
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:35,080
Where you can still pursue what you enjoy, you know, and you don't have to like give

1277
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:35,880
up everything.

1278
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,680
You don't have to base your whole existence on the validation of one exam score or one

1279
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:41,320
test.

1280
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:46,200
And I think it's a slippery slope because if I were, if I was a parent, you know, I

1281
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,440
think I would still, I try not to pressure my children, but I would have an expectation

1282
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:51,960
that they'd go to college still.

1283
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,440
So it's a bit of a-

1284
00:58:54,440 --> 00:59:01,640
I think, I think in the, see in the environment of where like one direction narrative is

1285
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:07,560
always peddled out that you need this, this, this, this, this, this film kinda when it

1286
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,640
came out, the product of his time, right?

1287
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:15,880
So when it came out, it kind of put that questions on big screen, the opposite question on big

1288
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:22,360
screen, like legitimize that concern of like following passion, following, like not taking

1289
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,680
like not be part of rat race and stuff like that.

1290
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:34,520
So that, that struck a chord with everyone because it was like, now it's way more talked

1291
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:41,640
about, but that point like no big stream, like big media was, we didn't have any big

1292
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,160
media like that kind of focused on that point.

1293
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:50,280
I think that's why it kind of worked out as in the audience that, okay, yeah, that's

1294
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:55,480
like this big piece of film, like, you know, questioning the education system in this way.

1295
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,880
It's like, despite what you've been told throughout your life, there's not only one path to success.

1296
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:01,880
And that's all that.

1297
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,800
And I think in other parts of the world, maybe that's not the prevailing message, but I think

1298
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,440
in India, especially that very much is the message.

1299
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,280
There's so much pressure to like just go.

1300
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,760
I think Indian parents are always like engineer, doctor, or what's the other one?

1301
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:15,760
Lawyer.

1302
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:16,760
Yeah.

1303
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,280
Engineer, doctor, lawyer, anything else, it's a failure.

1304
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:23,320
All right, so this movie is just opening up a realm of possibilities and you have this

1305
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:28,760
character that likes to do photography, which is very common, but also never taken seriously

1306
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:29,760
in an Indian household.

1307
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,600
Or I think most Asian households.

1308
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:33,600
That's a hobby.

1309
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:34,600
That's not a career.

1310
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,600
Yeah.

1311
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:36,600
Okay.

1312
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:37,600
So I don't know.

1313
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:43,640
I guess the takeaway I had was similar to Winnie's is like, it paints this reality that most

1314
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:49,960
Thai people can never really have is like, it's not everything has to be about getting

1315
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,360
good grades or whatever.

1316
01:00:52,360 --> 01:01:00,560
And to add to the photography thing, it's like, I did ask my father, he's a diplomat,

1317
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,520
and then I asked him, did you always want it to be a diplomat?

1318
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:09,160
And he was like, no, I wanted to be a photographer, but it wasn't a viable career choice.

1319
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,040
Yeah, photography is very tough.

1320
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:23,640
These fields are actually way more tougher than the regular profession that our parents

1321
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:24,640
push us for.

1322
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,480
But these are like way tougher to achieve.

1323
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,800
I do want to hear your perspective though, Kili, because you went to engineering school

1324
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,480
and then you did your master's in film school and you did a big deviation in careers.

1325
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:47,040
I have this moment of looking back and thinking that whether I should have done that or done

1326
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:54,880
film workshop side by side, my job and continued my job, because I ended up in corporate career

1327
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,160
anyway, again.

1328
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:06,440
But again, I have this thing that, okay, I tried, maybe I will be somewhere in future

1329
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:12,440
okay, so I took the path, I took the chance, I know how to deal with the struggle and I

1330
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,680
know how it feels and everything.

1331
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:21,240
So I will not die thinking what if I would have done that.

1332
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,840
So I would choose my own path.

1333
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:29,880
And it's also like, yeah, actually, because I went to a good engineering school and got

1334
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:37,000
a good job, I could do this as well, because I could earn a lot of money to save and pay

1335
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:43,880
for my master's education and have the safety net that, okay, I have enough confidence in

1336
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,400
me that I can do this and then do whatever.

1337
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:53,560
So I would never actually like, when I was 18, I would have never thought of like studying

1338
01:02:53,560 --> 01:03:01,840
film because I don't come from that kind of class space where people are going as a young

1339
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:07,520
kid to be a filmmaker, study to be a filmmaker or art as a viable career option.

1340
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:12,960
People who are really into art, they go and they fight against so much of odds and they

1341
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,840
fight so many things.

1342
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,120
It's so much struggle.

1343
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,480
I was not that strong when I was 18.

1344
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,840
I wouldn't have done that.

1345
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,640
So I did that when I was 27, so I was like, okay, I can do it.

1346
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:25,640
So I could-

1347
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,640
What was your job at a bachelor's?

1348
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,040
Oh, I didn't do engineering.

1349
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,120
It was not engineering.

1350
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,480
It was in consultancy.

1351
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:38,240
I was working for one of the big four firms, consultancy firms.

1352
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,400
So it was like tech consultancy.

1353
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:42,400
Yeah.

1354
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,560
But I think that's a great example because you went with what was a career move, maybe

1355
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,480
like smart in the conventional term.

1356
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,400
And then you did a passion move.

1357
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,400
You balanced it out.

1358
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,360
I didn't focus on career.

1359
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,520
That was my take that I'm not focusing on my career.

1360
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:04,160
I'm focusing on trying to do things that I want to do.

1361
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:10,040
And whether I fail or success, be failure or a successful person, that's upon again

1362
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:15,480
of things to see in future or in now.

1363
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,720
But I did those things.

1364
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,440
So I believe in you only live once.

1365
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,480
So there you go.

1366
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,840
That's why you're doing this podcast and playing Tekken.

1367
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:26,840
Yep.

1368
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,960
If I die, I can't play Tekken.

1369
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,840
That was the biggest realization I've ever had.

1370
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,360
When I die, I can't play Tekken anymore.

1371
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:37,960
And that was a huge revelation to me too.

1372
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,440
I thought even as a kid, you could play Tekken after you died.

1373
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,600
And when my parents sat me down and said, no, in fact, Tekken also goes away when you're

1374
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:46,600
dead.

1375
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:47,600
I was like, holy crap.

1376
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:48,600
I'm starting to start playing it a lot now.

1377
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:57,640
I saw this meme that says like, okay, be in front, sit in front of your computer as long

1378
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:07,200
as you want to, because when you die, you can't get to do that anymore.

1379
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:13,760
It's a really empowering meme.

1380
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:19,360
Yeah, guys, like be in front of your computer, play games.

1381
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:20,360
That's not an endorsement.

1382
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:21,360
That's not a fierce stares endorsement.

1383
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:22,360
This is not.

1384
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,360
Yeah, I don't endorse that message, please.

1385
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,800
Fierce stares endorsement is go outside and play with friends.

1386
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:26,800
Don't stare at a screen.

1387
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:27,800
Look, I'm going to-

1388
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,360
I'm going to play with friends looking at screen.

1389
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:31,360
Okay.

1390
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,720
So I'm going to read, this isn't a meme, but I asked you guys when we were watching this

1391
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,160
movie if you knew what I was talking about, but back in the day, there used to be email

1392
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,240
chains.

1393
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:44,040
And this was like, before people reposted dumb fake stories on Facebook, they used to

1394
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,900
literally forward these emails to each other.

1395
01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:51,080
Before that, they would literally send letters to each other's houses, which is crazy stories.

1396
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,280
People just like spreading weird stories.

1397
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,240
For email chains that you're talking about, like if you don't forward this, you're going

1398
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,240
to die.

1399
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,560
Yeah, like, so this is a story, forward this to your friend, blah, blah, blah, right?

1400
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:07,840
So I'm going to read the end of this, but we've all seen this story in some form of

1401
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:08,840
another.

1402
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:15,800
But this one is a Christianity one about a student challenging a professor that doesn't

1403
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,320
believe in God, right?

1404
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:22,000
Or doesn't believe that- he doesn't believe in God because he says evil exists, so if

1405
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,240
evil exists, then that means God makes evil.

1406
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:31,080
Okay, so the student stands up and challenges him, and at the second half of this, I'm going

1407
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:36,600
to read, finally the young man asked the professor, sir, does evil exist?

1408
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,320
Sir, so you know he's like Indian.

1409
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,840
Now uncertain, the professor responded, of course, as I have already said, we see it

1410
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:45,840
every day.

1411
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,200
It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man.

1412
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:53,180
It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.

1413
01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:56,000
These manifestations are nothing else but evil.

1414
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,840
To this, the student replied, evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not exist

1415
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:01,960
unto itself.

1416
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,280
Evil is simply the absence of God.

1417
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,800
The professor sat down.

1418
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,080
The young man's name, Albert Einstein.

1419
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,080
Boom!

1420
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,080
Really, boom!

1421
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,080
Mike Chop.

1422
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:21,080
And this is the movie, is like just owning the professor by debating him, which is fine

1423
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,080
too.

1424
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,800
I guess, okay, that was my main thing, and again I agree with the message, don't take

1425
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:30,160
study seriously, but owning people in a debate never ever works.

1426
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:35,680
I learned from debating family members, coworkers, friends until I learned to stop doing that.

1427
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:36,680
I don't like debating.

1428
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:37,680
Debating is a slap.

1429
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:38,680
I love debating.

1430
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:45,800
I like debating, but I don't believe that debating can influence people much anymore

1431
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:46,800
now.

1432
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:47,800
That doesn't work.

1433
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:54,240
And also like putting so much, okay, it can influence, people can put across their points

1434
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,400
and oppose each other, which is a very healthy thing.

1435
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:02,760
But saying that, oh, you own the debate, that means your points are valid.

1436
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:11,080
That's like, I used to feel that is the debate's goal when I was younger, but now as an older

1437
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,480
person I'm like, that doesn't mean shit.

1438
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,840
Like if someone is winning the debate, that means they just do that debate.

1439
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:21,120
It doesn't mean that that point is stronger than the other point.

1440
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,840
So all these debates are like, it's good for debate.

1441
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:29,080
Debate is for debate's sake, like arts for arts sake, like debates for debate's sake.

1442
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:35,720
There is no, debate is not for establishing one argument over other.

1443
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:41,360
Maybe it was when the knowledge was restricted, when knowledge was not shared, as not democratized

1444
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:46,880
as now, like people didn't, like then knowledgeable people would come from different aspect of

1445
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:52,000
life, different culture, different background, be in one place and debate each other because

1446
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,920
there is no other way of contradicting each other.

1447
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,040
But now there are so many points, ways of contradicting each other.

1448
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,000
So debate is like a more point now.

1449
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,800
One more key takeaway that I do want to mention before we wrap up is I think when it comes

1450
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:10,800
to values, we all live life by a set of values and it can be different, it can be the same,

1451
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,320
but I think most of us have different values and then we live in this capitalist system,

1452
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:19,720
education system that forces us to have one set of values being we need to be career oriented,

1453
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,520
we need to earn money.

1454
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,880
And then those that have to, those that prefer to just live a free spirited life, have good

1455
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,760
relations, live simple, we don't need that much money, they kind of get pressured and

1456
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,240
conditioned to follow this one capitalist path.

1457
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:37,160
And it's becoming harder and harder to resist this, right?

1458
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,400
Especially with inflation and everything, you feel like you need to earn money, you

1459
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:41,560
need to have this mindset.

1460
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:46,800
So I think at a young age for all our listeners, I don't know our age demographic of listeners,

1461
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:47,800
but like just trying to hold on.

1462
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:48,800
Around four to five years old.

1463
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:55,200
Like just try to hold on to your actual values, not getting conditioned, not getting influenced

1464
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,600
by the education system, by the capitalist system, because at the end of the day, we're

1465
01:09:58,600 --> 01:09:59,600
all going to die.

1466
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,240
So yeah, might as well just live life on your own terms.

1467
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:04,360
I don't think I'll die.

1468
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:05,360
I think that's wrong.

1469
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,440
But yeah, Adam's like, wait, there's no tech in heaven.

1470
01:10:08,440 --> 01:10:09,440
I ain't going.

1471
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:10,440
I said no, God.

1472
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:11,440
I want to play tech.

1473
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:12,440
No, no, no, you're right.

1474
01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:15,640
Like we all live in a bigger farm later on.

1475
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,760
My message to the kids out there, if you're listening, because again, I've worked with

1476
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,400
tons of kids that are doing whatever they can to get to America or whatever.

1477
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:27,800
And honestly, please don't go into debt to go to school.

1478
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,000
Yeah, that's America's trap, right?

1479
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,440
It's like you need this degree or you'll be unemployable, but you're going to walk out

1480
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:36,600
here with at least 30 grand, if not 100 grand in debt.

1481
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:37,600
Yeah.

1482
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,280
And then America, unfortunately, wants you to leave as soon as you graduate.

1483
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,760
Now you can possibly get a job, there's no guarantee.

1484
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:53,680
So if you go back to wherever you came from with American debt, it's the opposite of what

1485
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,680
you thought would happen.

1486
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,680
Yeah, you just shot yourself in the foot before you even started working.

1487
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,240
Instead of making a ton of money, you owe a lot.

1488
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:00,240
Exactly.

1489
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:01,240
And what did you get?

1490
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,960
You went to an American university.

1491
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,760
Whatever you can do to avoid that, please, you don't need that.

1492
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,320
And if you do go, just network the hell out of it.

1493
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,400
I just want to know, because so many kids think there is secret knowledge in American

1494
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:14,920
universities, there is not.

1495
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,160
They don't learn more.

1496
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,400
So they don't learn differently that much.

1497
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:25,320
You can learn on your own and please be clever in that way, but don't go to any random university.

1498
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,040
Go to a really good one or just don't bother.

1499
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,920
If you're going to take out a loan to go to university, like a big amount, just go buy

1500
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:30,920
a house.

1501
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:31,920
Just take out a loan and go get a mortgage.

1502
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:32,920
Start a business.

1503
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:33,920
Honestly, get a corner shop.

1504
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:40,200
I feel bad about that fiance of Karina Kapoor.

1505
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:41,200
Suhas, the guy.

1506
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,200
Yeah, he's like a materialist.

1507
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,600
Fucking food on his shoe and he gets pissed.

1508
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,720
OK, he has an angry shoe.

1509
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:53,440
But why would you spill food on his like someone's new shoe on a wedding?

1510
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:55,200
Like he would get pissed.

1511
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,920
Like I mean, can't did that.

1512
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:03,600
And then like you he gives some expensive watch and then the girl loses it.

1513
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:04,960
And then he gets angry.

1514
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:13,160
So it's somehow funny that he's getting angry over the girl losing like a few hundred thousand

1515
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,000
dollars worth of watch.

1516
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,000
And you feel bad for him?

1517
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:22,800
This is like he's being like the film kind of did.

1518
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:23,800
Did him dirty.

1519
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:24,800
Just to him.

1520
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:25,800
Right.

1521
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:26,800
I think the film is trying to go like a bit anti-capitalist, right?

1522
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:27,800
You're a bit too realistic there.

1523
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:28,800
You want to get that.

1524
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,320
But also for who you really are.

1525
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:41,400
This is giving Adam being fixated on the character's age is vibes right now.

1526
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,560
And she doesn't end up dating anyone else.

1527
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:44,560
She just wait.

1528
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,560
She just is like, all right, I guess I'm not going to marry that guy and then just waits

1529
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,200
and finds him like 10 years later.

1530
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,960
Yeah, she said she's such a pretty doctor.

1531
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,320
And she's again like she hates that guy.

1532
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,400
And then she ends up again with that guy.

1533
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,240
Like I mean, dude, I don't think I'm going to come forward.

1534
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:03,240
I think I'm going to come forward.

1535
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,240
Pretty in this one.

1536
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:05,240
Shots fired.

1537
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:06,240
Shots fired.

1538
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:07,240
Shots fired.

1539
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:08,240
I miss casual.

1540
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:09,240
She should be a university student.

1541
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,240
If Adam could have it his way, he just had casual in every movie.

1542
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:11,240
We have to watch kuch kuch hota hai then.

1543
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:12,240
She's a university student there.

1544
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:13,240
There is this college no one studies ever.

1545
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:14,240
And we get Shah Rukh Khan again.

1546
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:15,240
That's Karan Johar's college.

1547
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,240
That's the first movie Karan Johar did even before Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Kaam.

1548
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:19,240
We should watch it sometime.

1549
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:20,240
Yeah.

1550
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:21,240
It's a college where no one studies.

1551
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,240
Before Karan Johar came out, Karan Johar was in the movie.

1552
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:23,240
Karan Johar was in the movie.

1553
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:24,240
Karan Johar was in the movie.

1554
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:32,240
Karan Johar was in the movie.

1555
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:36,000
Before we really wrap up, just one more thing.

1556
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,280
There was the climax scene.

1557
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,360
Delivering the baby with the webcam.

1558
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:42,360
We didn't mention that.

1559
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:43,360
We didn't mention that.

1560
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:44,360
Baby, is that such a huge part of the story?

1561
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,240
Now I realize this entire time, Nicky was just itchy to get to the baby scene.

1562
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:49,240
That's it, bro.

1563
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,240
I finally realized what he was doing.

1564
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,240
It was so important to me because we just kept riffing on it.

1565
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:56,240
Like non-stop.

1566
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:03,640
There was a scene where it was the ultimate scene that shows that Virus will let this

1567
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,120
all go.

1568
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,240
Because it was...

1569
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,240
Who was pregnant?

1570
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:13,640
Oh yeah, it was Karina Kapoor's sister.

1571
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:18,240
She was pregnant and then there was a big heavy storm, big flood.

1572
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:24,400
And this was to the point that Virus was going to expel the three idiots.

1573
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,680
There was even a moment where...

1574
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,600
What's his name?

1575
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,160
You waited this whole time.

1576
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:33,160
This was your one moment.

1577
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,160
You've been fixating on this scene for the whole time.

1578
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:40,520
There was a scene where Raju was committing suicide because he wasn't going to pass for

1579
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,520
playing the prank.

1580
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:43,600
Urination prank, by the way.

1581
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,360
There's a lot of urine in this movie.

1582
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:46,360
There's a lot of urine.

1583
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:47,780
There's a lot of urine in this movie.

1584
01:14:47,780 --> 01:14:51,280
But then, yeah, this is the climax scene where they cannot get...

1585
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:55,840
Virus' daughter cannot get to the hospital in time to deliver the baby.

1586
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,080
So then it's all up to our three idiots to deliver the baby.

1587
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,080
And what do they do?

1588
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:08,160
The thing that we found ridiculous was that they were doing a video call with Karina Kapoor's

1589
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:14,000
character and the operation was done through video call.

1590
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,920
And I know that back then, I don't think we'd have good quality video.

1591
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:19,920
It would be like...

1592
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,920
It's just a little unrealistic.

1593
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,880
Re-watching it kind of took me off a little bit.

1594
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,200
It was the scene that...

1595
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,240
I guess when you think about it, it's like a scene that defied all odds.

1596
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,960
It's Bollywood.

1597
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,400
Because later in that scene, the electricity goes off.

1598
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:45,120
And he was making an inverter from the cars to supply electricity.

1599
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:50,640
So he used that to turn the electricity back on again.

1600
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:55,880
And then he uses a vacuum cleaner as a suction pump.

1601
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,520
Oh yeah, he used the vacuum cleaner.

1602
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,800
Actually that inspired me to buy vacuum cleaner.

1603
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,800
So it's like, okay, if there is any pregnancy emergency at my house.

1604
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,800
No, that's a joke.

1605
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:07,800
Oh my God.

1606
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:08,800
Okay.

1607
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:09,800
I thought you were being serious.

1608
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:10,800
I thought you were being serious.

1609
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:17,840
He uses vacuum cleaner, changes the pressure with his amazing engineering skill that he

1610
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:25,240
learned over four years by challenging professors, that he can control the pressure of the vacuum

1611
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:26,520
cleaner.

1612
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:32,560
And then that's how he delivered the baby, which was amazing.

1613
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,840
Every time you watch a Bollywood movie, I feel like I'm surrounded by three idiots.

1614
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:37,840
Wow.

1615
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,240
So we're all just waiting for this.

1616
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:40,240
I knew that.

1617
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,080
I had a point.

1618
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,760
I was making it before starting the podcast.

1619
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,760
Three Musketeers is not three.

1620
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,760
There's a fourth one.

1621
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:49,760
Three idiots is not three.

1622
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:50,760
Are you saying Winnie is the fourth idiot?

1623
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:51,760
I am the observer.

1624
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,200
I'm observing the three idiots.

1625
01:16:54,200 --> 01:17:00,120
I will say the other thing I was fixated on was, and I guess I was wrong about this, but

1626
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:04,120
there's two times where there's this prank where this guy pisses on an electric spoon

1627
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:05,120
or something.

1628
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,120
That works, Adam.

1629
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:07,120
I told you that works.

1630
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,120
And so Winnie, did you know this?

1631
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,360
If you piss on something that's electric.

1632
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:11,360
Openware.

1633
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:12,360
I haven't tried.

1634
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:13,360
So no, I haven't noticed.

1635
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:14,360
You get electrocuted.

1636
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:19,840
Yes, because urine is conductor of electricity and it's coming from your body.

1637
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,000
So it kind of makes a connection to your body.

1638
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,600
Well, I think we should wrap this up so we can do a little science experiment right after

1639
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,600
this.

1640
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:27,600
Who volunteers?

1641
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:28,600
You try it.

1642
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:29,600
I don't want to fry my nuts.

1643
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:30,600
I have Nicky hold the spoon in his mouth.

1644
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:31,600
Oh, Jesus Christ.

1645
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:32,600
Give it to me.

1646
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:33,600
This is what I mean, three idiots.

1647
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:42,960
We can do this experiment with something else.

1648
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:52,840
We can put a flow of water, like dirty water, like B, which can be a conductor of electricity

1649
01:17:52,840 --> 01:18:00,600
to a live wire and at the end we keep a tester and then check the voltage reading, like maybe

1650
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:01,600
with the voltmeter.

1651
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,600
Rancho has entered the conversation.

1652
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,360
Where did you learn all that?

1653
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,280
Did you study for free somewhere?

1654
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,720
I've been taking classes for six years to learn how to shock people with piss.

1655
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,520
So now I've lined all the urinals so everyone gets shocked every time.

1656
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,400
I have jars of urine in my home.

1657
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,600
I've been practicing for years.

1658
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,600
I finally figured it out.

1659
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,600
I just didn't realize that piss was such a solid stream.

1660
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:27,600
I thought like-

1661
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:28,600
Is yours not, Adam?

1662
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:29,600
You okay?

1663
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:38,880
Mine's like Morse code.

1664
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:45,720
I do the great Gatsby in Morse code every time I piss.

1665
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,360
So I guess I did learn something from the film.

1666
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:48,720
I do like that message.

1667
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,040
Don't ever pee on open live wire.

1668
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,800
For all the degenerates watching this, that's the key message.

1669
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:58,320
If you see an open electricity, open fence or like anything like fences that has like

1670
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,120
where never try to pee on them.

1671
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,440
Which I'm sure happens a lot because like I'm sure it's your instinct to be like, I'll

1672
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:06,360
get this fire out with my piss.

1673
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:07,360
Fire is fire.

1674
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,560
Not fire but like an electric fire.

1675
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:15,600
If I see like a Tesla, I just start trying to piss on it.

1676
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,600
If it's in flames.

1677
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,200
Yeah.

1678
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,120
Closing thoughts?

1679
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,920
Yeah, I still think it's a great movie.

1680
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:32,400
I mean, if we have to do like facts, it was like one of the highest grossing movies of

1681
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:33,400
its time.

1682
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,560
We keep on watching highest grossing films.

1683
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,840
Yeah, we always watch highest grossing films.

1684
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,720
But this might be the highest profile movie we've watched because this movie is famous

1685
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:42,720
globally, right?

1686
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,240
Yeah, so like to me-

1687
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:45,840
So was Happy New Year.

1688
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:46,840
Not the movie.

1689
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:47,840
Shut up.

1690
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:52,920
Just because Thailand didn't know the mastery of the craft of Happy New Year doesn't mean

1691
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:53,920
the world didn't know.

1692
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:54,920
Oh my God, Kiwi, get out of here.

1693
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,920
It was one of the highest grossing films in Russia.

1694
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,920
It won Cannes Film Festival.

1695
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,920
Oh my God.

1696
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:08,040
In England, it brought like people together.

1697
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,120
You know, all these podcast listeners are going to go quote this as facts.

1698
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,120
Winnie, you're right.

1699
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:13,120
We're three idiots.

1700
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:18,000
Money equals good and Happy New Year was really good.

1701
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,000
And so was this movie.

1702
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,880
But like three idiots, Nikki, you've watched this movie before.

1703
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:29,520
Okay, so yeah, I mean, there's a lot of nostalgia for this because in high school, I have this

1704
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,920
Indian classmate.

1705
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:37,720
I was in theater class and she did like a musical number, Zubi Dubi, the song.

1706
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,200
That was my first exposure.

1707
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:40,800
I thought it was nice and then I figured-

1708
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:41,800
Do you have a crush on this girl?

1709
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:42,800
No, I don't.

1710
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:43,800
She's not good.

1711
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:44,800
She's not good.

1712
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:45,800
It is amazing.

1713
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:46,800
The song is good.

1714
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:47,800
And then like the film festival-

1715
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,800
She's not a video game character.

1716
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:55,920
The film festival that I went to watching this movie, it was like, I think it was literally

1717
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,520
like my first true exposure to Indian cinema.

1718
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:05,800
So that's why maybe that's why I hold it up in high regard because it's like, I thought,

1719
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,800
okay, this is the basis for good Bollywood movies.

1720
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:14,200
But now that I'm in fear of stairs, I'm learning a lot more.

1721
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:19,520
But it didn't, I mean, we were making fun of the movie here and there, but I still would

1722
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:20,520
recommend it to people.

1723
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:21,520
I think it's a good starting point.

1724
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:22,520
Yeah, it's a good watch.

1725
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:23,520
It's a good starting point.

1726
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:24,520
It's a good fun watch.

1727
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:25,520
Watch it with your friends together.

1728
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:31,040
It's a fun, like most of the Bollywood films are made like a festive celebration with people.

1729
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,920
Yeah, they are kind of designed that way.

1730
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,240
It's a body film to watch with your buddies.

1731
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:37,600
Build up that way.

1732
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:38,600
Yeah.

1733
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:39,600
So do that.

1734
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:40,600
It's a fun fact.

1735
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:47,040
Like after watching 3D rewatching 3D again with us, Niki, whenever he was opening a conversation

1736
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,040
on chat, it would be Zubi Dubi Zubi Dub.

1737
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:55,200
Adam didn't understand what I was saying.

1738
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,200
He thought I was being a full retard or something.

1739
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,200
I don't know what this is referencing.

1740
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:04,200
It's funny because when we watched PK, that song in PK also got stuck in your head.

1741
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,200
Yeah, it did.

1742
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:10,840
When Zubi Dubi came on Adam was like, oh, now I know what you're talking about.

1743
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,880
Now I understand what you're saying.

1744
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:17,920
And I think to myself, oh my God, because when I was saying Zubi Dubi, I was actually

1745
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:19,520
expecting that people got it.

1746
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,040
And now I just realized that some people might not get it.

1747
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:28,880
And now I'm just looking like outing myself like some idiot that just rambles or says

1748
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:29,880
silly shit.

1749
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,880
I thought it was silly, but no, it's all good fun.

1750
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,880
I don't think it's a bad movie.

1751
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,360
I understand, especially if you're in college being like, yeah, I get like I like this.

1752
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,360
I get it.

1753
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:40,360
The message is great.

1754
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,120
You know, yeah, fuck professors.

1755
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:47,240
But like, no, fuck their doctors and their daughters.

1756
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:54,040
And like, yes, school has a lot of pressure and I'm glad that it's a dress.

1757
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:55,040
You know, that's nice.

1758
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:56,760
And it's a nice buddy film.

1759
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,480
And there's like some fun moments and stuff.

1760
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:02,800
I just I don't like movies that like encourage you to be like a clever jackass.

1761
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,720
You know, you have really bad experiences.

1762
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:09,720
I just like I'm like, dude, can you just like chill and like stop trying to be so clever

1763
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:13,520
and just and so like that is what like triggered me.

1764
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:14,520
I'm like, oh, I get it.

1765
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:20,000
Because if I saw this when I was young, I'd be like a very annoying little kid.

1766
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:24,560
I tried to be all clever and like with you know, and I and I already kind of was.

1767
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,520
So it's just me like projecting.

1768
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:27,520
Yeah.

1769
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:32,480
But I was like, I don't like to say I think just to add on a little bit, I think for for

1770
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:37,240
as a Thai person, I think it just paints like this fantasy of what we could do.

1771
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,480
You know, we could like be a smart ass.

1772
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:40,480
We could question.

1773
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:41,480
I think so.

1774
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:42,480
It's not as people.

1775
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:47,080
It's not something we dare to do, but it does paint that that reality.

1776
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:52,440
And it really one of the classmates of mine turned into a wannabe rancher and it was really

1777
01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:53,440
irritating to be around.

1778
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:54,440
That's what I'm talking about.

1779
01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:55,440
OK, but you see, that's like probably the minority.

1780
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:56,440
I'm sure it just.

1781
01:23:56,440 --> 01:23:57,440
Yeah, just one person who didn't have voices.

1782
01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:58,440
One in four people.

1783
01:23:58,440 --> 01:24:02,680
Or how many friends did you have to one in so just half.

1784
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,680
Yeah, 50 percent of people become clever assholes.

1785
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,680
In the classroom, there was one person.

1786
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,680
I think objectively, it's still a great movie.

1787
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:12,680
Right.

1788
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:14,680
And I'm a sucker for movies with social commentary.

1789
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:15,680
Like, I'm not a movie person.

1790
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:16,680
I'm more of a social issues person.

1791
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,680
So I appreciate movies that gets you thinking, gets people talking.

1792
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,680
I think this movie actually got a lot of people to open up about the pressure they had experienced.

1793
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:24,680
Right.

1794
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:25,680
So I think it's a great movie.

1795
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:30,440
It's impactful because of that.

1796
01:24:30,440 --> 01:24:32,480
It makes a change.

1797
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:35,360
And my only takeaway is how do you say it?

1798
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:36,360
All is well.

1799
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:37,360
All is well.

1800
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:38,360
All is well.

1801
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:39,360
Goodbye.

1802
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:56,880
Bye bye.