destroying your equals. Are we recording now? Did you catch all of that? I hate you, like I love you. I hate you, like I love you, love you, love you.
There we have it. Oh we've begun. Hold on, let me get out my notes. Even though I've said this six times I still can't remember it.
Welcome.
I'm glad we are recording knowing that Kaylee is going to the Philippines though. Yeah okay that helps because when I was on the bike in the rain I was like why?
Because Kaylee is going to the Philippines. I can't find it. Okay.
And then he's like come on. How are you feeling? He's ready to go. I'm just ready to go. Let's go. I hate you, like I love you. I hate you, like I love you, love you, love you.
Okay. Yeah that deserves a standing ovation.
Welcome to Fear of Stairs, Desi Films Decoded. The podcast where four friends from different backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema. I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India.
Hi, I'm Killy, who is from India. I, yep. I love films.
I'm Nicky, number one fan of Indian Daniel Radcliffe.
Thank you. I'm Adam, I'm the Western film buff and today I learned that Nicky can fit in my shirt and Winnie will steal all my pants.
It was raining today just for listeners really hard and so Winnie and Nicky both came in soaking wet.
But it's okay. Turns out my clothes are unisex and all size so everyone can wear all my clothes, which is pretty nice.
It's funny that you keep saying my clothes because I'm pretty sure these pants are mine now.
I'm pretty sure. I will send you the link to buy them and I will take it back along with my backpack.
I just discovered that you can buy non-hot sweatpants in Thailand. Yeah, it's a real thing.
My pants are cozy but the weather is too hot here. It's called joggers. These are Adidas from Lazada so you can be sure that they're not really Adidas.
Correct, but they're joggers and they're much better than sweatpants. They're comfy. You can exercise in them.
I used to be a big sweatpants guy. I used to wear up boots a lot too. I'm sure you do a lot of exercises in this Adam.
I used to be in like sleeping. Exactly. I think I've known you for almost two years. I don't remember the last time you went to the gym.
Welcome to Arcadia. Yeah, sometimes I sit on my bike and go block up.
I am moving though next month and I'm going to be Killy's neighbor and I will go to the gym. We'll be gym buddies. Yep.
Yeah, Killy's going to be my personal trainer. I want to get ripped like he is. He totally hates that. Well, he loves it too.
When's the last time you went to the gym anyway? What's the day today? Today's a Tuesday. Oh, October 8th.
Don't spoil the day, have a go at it. Okay, I think last Friday, Saturday. Not bad. Yeah. You're doing better than all of us I'd say.
Yeah. Yep. We need to do our bike ride. See, we need to be consistent. We need to focus on exercising that keeps us happy, healthy.
Yeah. And speaking of consistency, we are talking about Deli Belly today. Yeah, Killy, why did you choose this? Okay, I'm taking a break.
Fuck this. Bye. Guys, you didn't tell me you put me on the spot like this. Yeah, so Deli Belly. When the film came out, I really loved this film.
So I used to be a Guy Ritchie fan. Like, you know, like his Snatch, Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. These films like really moved me.
I really loved the funny, quirky comedy action vibe. And then I saw Deli Belly and then I was like, oh, wow, this is like an Indian Guy Ritchie film.
So I really loved the vibe of the film. The musics were really cool for me. The cinematography. Like it was a good film for me back then.
So when we started doing the, like I was curating the films for the podcast, I thought like, yeah, we should watch this film. This is like really a little different from traditional Bollywood that everyone knows.
It has music numbers, but it's not like Bollywood music numbers. It's kind of waved into the plot. And it's a really short film. Like how long is it? An hour and 40 minutes. It might be the shortest Indian film I've ever seen.
Yeah, like many Hindi movies, right? It's not in English and requires people to watch with subtitles. But with this movie, right? It's primarily in English.
Yeah, 70% in English. They recorded it. They dubbed it in Hindi. Yeah. But they recorded it all in English. And we were watching, Kili was curating these movies before we started a podcast.
We started a podcast before because we just used to get together and watch Indian films. And this was one of the first movies Kili showed us. And because it was so not Bollywood, we got mad.
Because there's like no musical numbers. It was like nothing like we were promised. But going back and revisiting it after seeing the stuff we wanted to see, it is a nice break. But originally I was like, this is not at all what we signed up for.
Yeah, actually I feel the same way as Adam because I remember when we watched this, this is not your typical traditional Bollywood film. But after watching so many of those kinds of traditional movies and getting accustomed to the tropes and everything, this was very different.
Yeah, that's why I love it. So I just learned that. I mean, this is the writer Akshat Verma. Yeah, Akshat Verma. He actually wrote this while living in US. So I can get the inspiration and the environment he was in.
So what Wikipedia says is like he was studying like some screenwriting course in UCLA. And this film was part of like he wrote this film as part of the screenwriting program.
And he kind of like, you know, he started doing other work and stuff. And then when he came back to India, he started pitching it for the producers and everyone was like throwing it away like they're not accepting the script.
I mean, by the time he already rewrote the script, like a few, few new drafts. But anyway, like it was not being accepted. And then finally he submitted to Aamir Khan's production house, which was relatively new at that point of time.
And then it was not picked up by them also. Then later on Aamir Khan's then wife, Kiran Rao, one day like the story goes like one day she was like, you know, checking all the piled up scripts in their office and suddenly came across the script and sent it over to Aamir Khan and they all liked the film.
And that's how Delhi Valley happened. Yeah. So I can really see a very fresh perspective in terms of with respect to Bollywood filmmaking. And then yeah, it was it was really cool for me that that's why I wanted to show this film.
It's very Western. Did the writer make other similar films to this?
He has made some he has wrote some other films. I haven't watched the film. So now actually like reading about the writer, I kind of want to watch his other film like he made a film called Kalakandi in 2018.
And he was also a director in that film. So I want to watch that film now. But the director of this film Delhi Valley, I have seen some of little bit of his later films and they're nothing like this.
They are OK. But this was really good. So I think like these films really goes for initial credit. I think that the credit is due to the writer. Was the movie a hit? Yeah.
Once I will get that one thing I want to know just before we start getting the plot and stuff. One thing I do really appreciate and appreciate more to after watching the Indian films is that they're not rich in this film.
I remember when I went to India. I was just by myself and I was taking some like rickshaw tour scam thing by myself in Delhi and they took me to some like art place you know to buy actually you can see them on my wall over there.
But I went to go buy some like art and you know so I'm in this Indian store with all this Indian art and it's all like rich people. It's all like the royal family you know it's all these old paintings in India about like rich people doing stuff in the palace and stuff.
And I was like this is boring. Do you have any art of non royalty because like I don't care about any of this. I never have really. But it reminded me a lot of the Indian films we see where it's just very affluent kind of exaggerated to a huge degree how affluent most of these are.
And I felt that like even rich people don't have at some point. So focusing on like shitty apartments you know and three guys living together and there's dirt and there's grime and like it's how people realistically live. I am drawn to that.
I like I've always liked that vibe a lot more. And so I do appreciate that we're not just like staring at rich people in mansions and stuff. That's a nice.
It's grounded and then we see that like they all the little living and it's very common like you know like they don't come from poor families because one guy has like I mean all of them are kind of white does white colored jobs right.
So they're not poor poor but it's like a bachelor pad. Yeah. They just don't have their own houses. They just leave their like shit because like they live paycheck to paycheck.
They can't really pay rent like they don't have money. They talk about money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then then it contrasts with the the the girlfriend of that guy who comes who comes from a rich family who gives them gives him a car for as a gift for her engagement gift.
Yeah. So it has nice contrast in the class aspect and it's very grounded. It's very grounded. Yeah. At work you see them working a lot of the other movies you never see them working like they just have imaginary jobs where they don't do.
Yeah. So we have the movie playing in the background right now mainly for me because we watched this like a month ago and I don't remember most of the plot.
But I think it's funny because we just passed a scene where the gangster opens up the doll thing and there's shit and stuff diamonds. So let's get into the plot. Okay.
Right. So we have three characters right. We have the lead man who looks a lot like Daniel Radcliffe as we point it looks like Harry Potter. He looks like Indian Daniel Radcliffe.
It's very hard to unsee especially with the beard. Imran Khan as Tashi is like a journalist I think. And then he has two friends like Nitin the chubby looking guy who's always like sick and has to go to the toilet.
He's just in the movie not like a character trait.
He's not always sick so in the film he eats some sweet food. He's complaining like clumsy. Yeah.
Yeah. And then you have Arup as the afro looking guy the nerd. He's like a cartoonist I think. I think he has this obsession with this fictional character called Disco Fighter.
Yeah. Yeah. He looks like the guy from the IT crowd.
Yeah. What was his name?
Moss. Yeah.
There's Moss and Roy.
Moss has the glasses. Yeah.
What was the actor's name?
Richard Ayodhya. Yes. How's it?
So yeah they're like Adam mentioned there.
He's like now a very popular stand up comedy and like he did a bunch of shows in the US.
So he's like a proper established stand up comedian at this point.
And just really quick as Nicky's doing the descriptions. The fat guy that is sick all the time looks like a young Hagrid.
He totally does. Yeah.
You're a wizard Harry. Anyway not to digress.
So yeah what I love about these three characters like we mentioned before is that their chemistry is really good.
It feels very grounded compared to the other movies that we've covered.
So yeah they live in this like decrepit apartment and Tashi has this really like airheaded girlfriend.
Who's rich. Who's rich. Her name is Sonia.
How many Sonias have we come across?
Can we add it to the tab of the time? I think it's every single movie we watch they say Sonia.
OK so first was the Jawan didn't have. OK then.
One of the female prisoners is probably named Sonia.
I mean most probably. And then what? Kavik Mishika Vigam.
That didn't have a Sonia but it has a song. Kedona. Kedona Viva.
And then there's so many Sonias.
Even if a Sonia is on the script they just mention Sonia. Sonia is like an ideal woman or something.
I haven't figured that out yet.
Yeah it's like a pretty woman but it's like the female equivalent of Raj is just one of the more popular women's names.
Like my best friend's name is Sonia and we know Sonia too. Yeah we do.
Yeah they're either spelled with an I or a Y.
Well the one that we know is Sonia with a Y.
What's a similar male name that's like that common?
I'd say Raj. Sanjay. And Sanjay too yeah.
But we don't have a song for Sanjay.
Well Kili you gotta change that.
Kili make your coming out song about Sanjay.
Alright go ahead.
So randomly we are like it opens with like an airport right?
And then Sonia apparently she just agrees to pick up a package from this like white Russian man.
Of course he's Russian.
The thing's Vladimir.
Vladimir and it's like a package. She doesn't know what it is right?
And then like she tasked I think it was Tashi to deliver it but then he couldn't.
So he gave it to his friend Nitin.
Nitin has like you know I think he stopped by to like take photos of their landlord having sex with a prostitute.
And then he eats like a snack and I think that's where we get the movie title from.
Deli Belly.
He gets sick. He's unable to deliver the package so he gives it to Arup.
And he asks Arup to not only send the package but also send a stool sample to his doctor.
And Arup mixes those two up and that's when it got the attention of the gangsters.
And that's the whole premise of the movie where the gangsters start tracking them down and they have to like either deliver the package or like run away from them.
Basically I guess.
Yeah.
Like Killy said it's very clearly inspired by Snatch and other Guy Ritchie films where it's kind of like gangster hijinks and you know random things happen to screw up the plot and everything's interconnected and everything every time they try to do something it gets foiled.
You know they're all dressing up in hijabs and like stealing diamonds.
Like it really goes full Guy Ritchie by the end.
There's a lot of wacky stuff that happens and you kind of have to just suspend your disbelief and you know just roll with it.
And then also there's another character Tashi has this co-worker.
She's like this like older badass woman called Menaka I think.
Yeah and then like she invites him to this party.
There's like a whole subplot wasn't there?
Yeah.
You can tell that there's like some sort of flirtatious romantic tension.
They were having sex like.
Oh yeah yeah.
That's it.
Tashi and Sonia was having sex and he's such a workaholic so this lady was his co-worker.
Yeah.
Like a new intern or something like was shadowing him and then she calls him at the in the middle of that thing and then he stops having sex.
And picks up the phone thinking that it's a work call and he shows up because they are journalists like he thought like there is something some story or something.
And he shows up to meet her and realizes that she just invited him to a party and he gets super pissed.
Now wait wait wait I just want to say they're not having sex.
He's performing oral sex on her which is the first time I've ever seen that in an Indian film.
Yeah.
Such an important distinction.
I think it's really worth noting because I'm going to circle back to that point.
Yeah.
Like he's eating her out.
Yeah.
And it's like I think it's for like for Indian cinema that is like groundbreaking.
They're pre-married.
Yeah.
Because they haven't been married yet and she is receiving oral sex and like that's huge.
And then even later in the film Aarup is like hey I went down on you to his ex-girlfriend and she gave me a blowjob and I went down on her.
Like they mentioned like female oral sex many times more than I've ever seen from any other Indian film.
I remember what he said.
Aarup said and because I am a 21st century man I have given her oral pleasure.
Right.
Also.
You can really tell this kid went to UCLA.
He's adopted the American way.
He learned well.
Yeah.
He was like you're just giving oral sex I think.
So like the off-pitch Indian films always had sex involved and all these things.
It's just like you know the funky lighthearted films never mentioned because they kind of I think wanted to cater to every audience possible.
So they kind of keep it like sex free hygienic kind of way.
And this film didn't bother.
It's like Young Bloods making new films.
Do you have ratings?
You brought like film ratings?
Yeah like R, PG-13.
Yeah this is adult.
It's adult.
What are the ratings?
So I think it's just adult U slash A that is under guidance of adult and universal.
Universal is like everyone.
U slash A is like a kid cannot walk in.
Has to have a guide like an adult with them.
And adult is adult.
So.
This is 18 plus adult.
And Maneka, Maneka the co-worker too, she has a very psycho husband.
Yeah.
Who gets very jealous and threatens any guy she's with with a gun and violence I guess every time.
Yeah so he sees her talking to a guy and then he just freaks out that she's talking to a guy in their party.
Like this is super crazy.
And starts like first threatens Tashi and then punches Tashi and then Tashi just hits him with a flower pot.
Like a plant pot and then he just passes out and then later chases them with a car chasing him.
Which is actually not uncommon in Delhi.
Like rich people chasing and shooting.
So this is a common occurrence then you want to say.
When I was living in Delhi, not technically Delhi, Gurgaon around 2012.
We heard of a car chase.
It was not a big gangster or something.
I don't know.
I don't remember clearly but I remember the news that the same highway that we used to get to our office.
Like a crowded road.
It's not like in a dark alley or something.
There had been a car chase with guns involved and everything.
With rich people?
Yeah.
Only rich people will get away with that.
And also maybe like gangster reach.
Kind of like a mix up of both.
So yeah I have heard this kind of.
In Thailand, the rich people just drive through people.
They kill people and get away with it.
We have the famous rebel with Ferrari.
But one point about Maneka, the intern, is that her name.
But she is also the same actress that plays the mom in Never Have I Ever.
Which is a very popular American Indian Netflix show.
About this American Indian teenager who goes to school.
Have you guys not watched it?
It's actually quite similar.
So when I was watching it, I thought like I know this lady from somewhere.
Yeah.
But I thought she was just like a Hollywood actor.
Turns out that she probably had her beginnings in Bollywood.
Yeah.
Interesting.
I mean all these actors, again the whole movie is in English.
So all these actors are fluent in English.
Right.
So it means they like study abroad.
Like they are from some class.
Where I can see them going back and forth between Hollywood and India and stuff.
They are all like, even though they live in a crappy apartment.
They are still clearly like high school kids.
Actually she is like Indian descent but she was born in Tunisia.
Grew up in Pakistan, Brazil, Ireland.
Because she is a daughter of a diplomat.
So she kind of travels everywhere.
It's nice to see her in this role because in that show she is very much like a mom.
But with a widow as well.
Like her husband passed away.
So to see her younger and having like a romantic plot line.
Smoking cigarettes.
It's kind of cool.
So she smokes cigarettes.
She pursues Harry Potter.
What's the name of this?
Tashi.
Thank you.
She pursues Tashi.
Again, like these are a lot of...
When we first watched this together I was like, okay who gives a shit.
But after watching the other Indian films these things stand out a lot more.
Like the woman pursuing the guy.
Premarital sex and like oral sex and all that.
Like the smoking, the swearing.
All of this is actually pretty groundbreaking compared to everything else.
Even if you remember that scene, the hotel scene.
Like to escape from her husband they run into an elderly couple.
And then she pretends to have sex.
And then when she gets off of him, like he has a boner.
As a boner, yeah.
Like they show a boner and then he dies to tuck it in.
Yeah, there's a lot of risque moments like that.
I don't think you usually would see that in your usual films.
At least for Indian cinema, right?
If I was an Indian kid in college, when this came out I would be obsessed with it I think.
Yeah, that was me I think.
Can you imagine watching this film as an introduction to Bollywood films and thinking this is the way?
I think it was our first one and then the very next film is Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Ghum.
Yeah, because we got so mad at Kili we were like, we need musical numbers dude.
After this was Jaewon.
Jaewon.
No, no, no, no, no.
Jaewon was the first Bollywood Bollywood film.
Yeah, we got really mad at Kili and demanded songs and he delivered.
Yeah, I think we asked for the trashiest Bollywood film that fits all the tropes.
And we got Jaewon which is I think the biggest box office hit right now.
I know, but I've asked for a really trashy film Kili.
You have yet to give me that right now.
No, I gave one.
I gave one.
No, an objectively bad movie.
I'm not going to name that but we watched it.
Kabhi.
No, no, no.
What is that?
We'll talk about it.
We got one that we watched.
Oh yeah, that was pretty bad.
So bad it fell asleep.
We might get to that.
Yeah.
That was maybe too bad.
We took another birth time to finish the film.
She was born anew.
So yeah, Tashi was at a party with Menaka.
They pissed off Menaka's ex-husband.
They had a car chase.
They ended up in a hotel room together.
I think Vladimir was staying in that same hotel.
They came back to the same hotel.
Vladimir gets chased by these mobsters, right?
These tough looking mobsters.
Played by?
Played by, I think it's, hang on, I got it right here, Vijay Raz.
He's very good in this.
He's actually a really good actor.
I really like him.
He was doing, before this, I've never seen him as a gangster.
He was doing comedy role as a comedic relief in a Bollywood film.
Like how we saw Johnny Lever in that film that we're going to discuss later.
So the guy who was making funny face and stuff like that.
Oh my God, he was doing that type of stuff?
Yeah, he was doing funny role.
Even that, Johnny Lever is one of the great actors.
So these great actors, they are good actors.
They have range.
They're versatile.
Versatile and they are not quote unquote good looking for Bollywood standard.
So they cannot make the cut to hero or hero's brothers or friend like that.
Or something like that.
So they kind of get this comedy relief character.
But here he plays a really good gangster.
And actually, not just him, I think his henchmen also played really good roles.
They bounce off of each other, their chemistry, the things that they do.
And to show that they're not fucking around, they were interrogating Vladimir.
And then at one point they were beating him up like a bloody pulp.
And then at one point they stuck a stick of dynamite into his butthole.
And then light it on fire. It's a literal Looney Tunes skit.
It looked like Wile E. Coyote.
Because they stick a...
I don't think those pieces of dynamite literally exist.
But it's like those red cartoon pieces of dynamite.
They shove it up his ass and then light the stem on fire.
And the guy has to give a telephone number back when he remembered telephone numbers.
It's a very Looney Tunes-y scene.
They got the dynamite from Acme Industries.
For real.
For real Wile E. Coyote.
Yes, exactly.
If he was...
Came in a wooden box.
Yeah.
So they were interrogating the Vladimir dude.
And then they find out that the package was sent out.
Well, Sonia gave the package to the three roommates.
And then we get this scene where Arup is hanging by a noose.
Is that what you call it?
Yes.
And then some more interrogation happens.
And then just to fast forward a little bit.
I think it's so funny in a way.
The thing that saved them was their own apartment.
There was a bunch of dancers.
What were they dancing?
I don't know what type of dance is that.
I think it was kak-tak.
One of the classical dance forms.
Indian classical dance form.
I think kak-tak.
Is it like tapping?
They just have tapping.
Yeah, there's a lot of tapping involved.
So they were doing that and that.
It broke.
The ceiling just fell on everyone.
Giving them an opportunity to escape basically.
So one thing, just really quick before I forget about that.
One thing I did notice while we were watching this is every single thing does have a payoff.
Even if you look at the intro where they just do shots while the credits are playing.
They literally show you everything.
They show you the toilet that's going to fall.
They show you the crack with the ceiling fan that's going to break through.
They have a payoff for everything.
Maybe he took that from his history in Indian films because American films are not that good at payoffs.
There's a few that are really good, Back to the Future, Die Hard and stuff.
They have payoffs for everything that they introduce.
But very few actually do it.
But most of the Indian films we watch are really good at payoff.
But they're usually arbitrary.
They'll just bring something up and it's like a do-sex mahena that it comes back later.
But this does bring the western naturalistic stuff with the Bollywood payoffs.
Which is pretty nice.
So they do set up everything in the beginning super clearly and then it all just plays out.
That is true.
There's a lot of things that they...
It's not just this movie.
All the other movies we covered.
There would be a single shot at something that is so insignificant, so insignificant, so minuscule.
And then it just happens to be really important to the story.
Even in the first scene they show that they have a water issue problem.
They show the water leaking out of the bucket.
To set up all the problems in the picture.
The bucket is not on the proper place.
So that's why he uses orange juice later on to wash his hands.
And they show you the orange juice in the beginning and then that pays off.
Every single thing they introduce pays off.
Which is very good for a college writer's first script as well.
That's why I think it must have been some history watching Indian cinema.
Because there's just not a lot of American films that pull that off very well.
Yeah.
So they escape the evil men.
And they find out that the package...
It's like a Matroshka doll.
I think that's what you call it, right?
A Russian doll.
It's filled with diamonds.
It's worth a lot.
And what's the first thing they do?
They just try to pawn the diamonds off.
To this pawn shop.
To this sneaky businessman guy.
Yeah.
And we get this weird segment where...
It's not weird, but it's just like...
It just kind of threw me off.
It's like all the characters started wearing burkas.
And then they tried to...
That's a Guy Ritchie thing.
That is literally stolen from Snatch.
Oh yeah.
Because they first sell them.
And then the guy, the jeweler knew that these people are dumb in this sense.
He sells them for half the price.
Yeah, they don't know the price.
So he just gives them some money.
And then when Tashi's girlfriend's life is on threat,
he comes back to buy those back.
And he says like...
Double the price.
And then...
So just to...
The diamonds are...
I did the math.
They sell the diamonds for 90 lakhs.
Which is 270,000 US dollars.
And they're actually worth double that.
So they had something worth over half a million dollars.
It's a lot of money.
Yeah.
Even though diamonds aren't real and they're fake and their value is fake and arbitrary.
So yeah, they robbed the guy.
They robbed the jeweler.
I think we get like a quick moment where, you know,
it's really clear that Sonya is not the love interest.
Yeah, their chemistry is not that solid.
He doesn't like rich people.
He does not like rich people.
Which is, again, something I had a problem with this guy for a while.
I don't want to hang out with rich people either.
They're boring and they're annoying.
And also they speed up his wedding, by the way.
So we have to say there's a time...
What do I...
Sorry, there's a deadline.
They're going to get married in a month.
So things are ramping up with Tashi and his girlfriend.
So he is staring at his future, which is getting married with this rich girl
who he doesn't really like that much.
And this family that just is going to put his whole life on rails.
He meets the quirky manic pixie girl who gives him adventure and fun
and they fall in love instead.
Yeah, so they have like...
I mean, they haven't fallen...
I mean, yeah, they're hinting towards that.
But yeah, they just...
Definitely both of them like each other.
They escaped in burkas and then they made out from the...
Which is hot.
Wait, they made out in the burkas?
Yeah, they made out in burkas.
And her husband, ex-husband at that point sees that from another car.
And he heard a rumor that his wife was a lesbian.
Yeah, it was implied.
Which is another thing I want to bring up.
They bring up lesbianism in this movie a lot.
And they don't treat it weird.
They treat it normal and that's pretty cool too.
They were treating it weird, like the party...
The husband was treating that ritual at the party but they looked down on them.
Yeah, they looked down on the lesbianism.
So they were like gossiping, like, do you know she might be lesbian?
That tone is like, you know, like hush hush, like it's dirty, like kind of thing.
But I'm saying they're looking down on the rich people in the movie.
They're looking down on the rich people for saying that.
So from the movie's perspective, lesbianism is normal.
And they're looking down on the people that think it's anything for their parents.
The film's positioning is pretty nice.
So that is nice that they bring up lesbianism because I've never seen that before either.
See, I think on Rewatch we noticed a lot.
Those things would be only in the art house films and then like, you know, like that.
What's the best lesbian Indian film?
Fire.
For research purposes.
Fire.
Download it.
We'll have to cover that.
It's a very serious film.
It's a story of a wife and sister-in-law staying under the same roof where the wife's husband kind of goes, what do you call it, like abstain because he was following a guru.
He doesn't have sex?
Yeah. So the guru asked him not to have sex.
Like he says that sex is dirty and stuff.
So he goes abstinent and then there is a love affair starts with his wife and the sister-in-law.
And then it's a very interesting film.
I guess we'll have to cover that.
We were just discussing sibling love earlier.
No, not siblings.
Like sister-in-law is in like, the car system in law.
I think it's like husband's brother's wife.
Yeah.
So that she had like anthology, like not anthology, a series of film, like five elements like art, fire, water.
I think three she made.
I don't know if air exists or not.
Yeah.
Trilogy.
Yeah.
Trilogy.
The art was about the partition of India and this pretty bloody film.
Water was like sex racketing in temples and stuff.
Yeah.
See, this is the...
Oh, there's a subplot of Arup.
That was super crazy.
So he meets this Canadian.
Arup's girlfriend is with a Canadian Indian man who's like, so they kind of profile the Indian expats who this director or who the writer probably is.
The guy went to UCLA.
So he knows all these types of people.
These guys in Canada, but these rich assholes that speak perfect English and wear polo shirts and stuff.
And yeah, his mannerism, man, it's like, it's like so relatable.
Like we have seen this dude.
We have seen this dude like coming back from Western countries to India, like, and then behaving in that this way.
Like we have seen this dude.
He's just a coconut through and through.
Yeah.
He's like brown on the outside, white on the inside.
So, Winnie, do you know a lot of coconuts?
Yeah, I think I get called coconut quite a bit as well.
But I mean, they're mostly American Indians, so I don't really judge them because they were born and raised there.
That's a slow...
How do you feel when people call you that?
I mean, I don't know how people stereotype like whiteness, but I think the moment you're just like a bit more westernized, progressive Indian, they'll just call you a coconut.
And I guess for East Asians, Southeast Asians, they call you a banana.
You're yellow on the outside, white on the inside.
So the South Asian is a coconut.
This positioning is pretty divided.
You've never got called a banana?
I think that's kind of funny to be called a banana.
I can take it.
So, I mean, but you would, I mean, a lot of these people went to school with you in America, right?
Yes, but they were mostly born and raised in America.
So like they're just like American by nature.
But I guess if you go, I don't know though, because then I would get called a coconut, right?
Because I was born and raised here and I went to the States when I was 17.
But do you feel white growing up in Thailand?
I mean, is that an appropriate term?
Because you were in Thailand.
Do I feel white?
I mean, when people call you coconut, I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Like in America or Canada, whatever makes sense because like they're trying to buy white people.
But like in Thailand, it's a little more hard to...
Yeah.
I would imagine it's harder to deal with because I'm not white, I'm not, I don't hang out in Southeast Asia.
Yeah, no, I definitely got called it some in America.
And when I came back, I think because I had adopted some American mannerisms.
So, yeah, but I don't know.
I think it's just like the moment you just have some more Westernized views.
No, for sure.
I have a lot of classmates who are Thai Indian, but then they go and study in the States and then they come back
and they develop like American accents and they act pretty white, kind of like you, Winnie.
I can always tell and especially with Thai people, because I guess I lived here for so long.
I can always tell if someone has lived abroad, even for a short time, they act different.
Like if you've lived here your whole life versus if you like studied abroad or like did work and travel for three months or whatever, I can always tell.
I think that contrast is pretty strong in this, in here.
It basically makes you a little more extrovert, I think, open to talking to people.
You talk more, you share your opinion.
You are not shy to give your point of view, like these kind of things.
But in India, like I mean, for me, being an insider, what I would say is out of the ticks.
That would be accent to some extent, like the English accent changes, which is pretty obvious.
But when they carry that air around them that I am better than you because I lived in US or UK or wherever.
So that's the thing that irritates people.
Of course, it will irritate people, you know, like they use like and they compare.
Oh, yeah, you know, like there it's like this.
But yeah, I know, like in India, you just I remember someone I'm not naming who exactly was this.
Like we we were eating like musambi.
Like this is one of the kind of lime lemon, like citrus fruit.
I forgot the English name. So he came.
He's like, oh, I have a tree full of like musambi back in my backyard, but no one eats them.
We just drink cartons of juice. It's just in the fridge.
And that was the era when Americans were like maybe drinking more of carton juice instead of fresh fruit.
Now this is the style.
Bro, you're drinking bad juice.
I remember he made that no one drinks that.
The tree is full of fruit. No one even cares to pluck them.
Tastes like shit. I love artificial flavors.
I remember hearing this. I'm not naming who said that.
Do we know this person? Why do you keep not naming her?
You say like we know this person. Do we?
Is it me? No, no, no, you don't know.
Remember when Winnie kept saying how good Tang was and how she refused to eat real oranges?
Oh man, I love Tang.
She's like astronauts drink this. That's what we Americans have.
Tang is big in India too, I'm sure. Right?
I don't know Tang brand. Oh my gosh.
Maybe it's common now, but we used to have like we had different brands.
India has good fruit juice brands.
So anyway, so that was not one by the way.
These are the these are the takes that where they carry the air that oh no, we don't do that there.
Maybe so that's that's what makes them like that's when we like a like a kind of liberal left liberal people like who are progressive already.
So maybe like or not like we use the coconut term that back then like why you behaving so.
So it's an area of superiority. I can understand that's that's annoying for anyone.
But I think one thing that I don't really agree with is the accent thing because like even Brianna Bianca Chopra, for instance, she gets so much hate because she's constantly switching accents.
If she's like on American TV show, she'll have an American accent.
If she's back in India, the Indian accent comes out and people call her fake for that.
But that's just code switching. Right.
But that's code switching. Anyone who comes from a multicultural background does that.
Even even I do that like like when I went back to India, like after living in Thailand, which is like a pretty international crowd, like my English changed.
And then when I went back, I was talking and speaking English and people are like, oh, where's the text?
And I'm like, OK.
And then like after like if I leave long enough, like after a few days, my accent kind of reverse back a little bit.
And I had that nature in me, like I even when I learned even Hindi.
So I think Bengali is the only accent that like language accent that doesn't change for me because it's my mother tongue.
And then even when I speak Hindi, like the city I'm living.
So when I was living in Mumbai, I kind of was speaking Hindi like Mumbai girls like, you know, like they have different accents of Hindi everywhere.
So I kind of take the act, take up the accent.
But yeah, like this is common.
And then Brianna Chopra is an actor.
Of course, she uses her like English accent, like well, like American accent when she's in an American show.
When I go back to America, I drop into my real accent, which is like a Southern Appalachian.
Oh, my gosh, you have to demonstrate.
That's my normal voice.
I don't. This is all put on.
Seriously?
No.
Come on. I almost believe you there.
I could not change my accent if I tried.
I know that when I speak to Thai people, I tend to be like it's code switching.
I just speak a more soft spoken.
I don't. I don't say a lot of English.
And when you speak in Thai, you act.
People just act different.
Like when you switch in any language, you act different.
Yeah, you just act different.
Yes, I become a proper 12 year old the moment I have to speak Thai.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
It's the psychology behind it.
Oh, okay.
I mean, Nikki, you too, like you when you speak Thai, like it's just because because because the words mean different things and you have different social norms and stuff.
And you just slip into it with the language.
Yeah.
But I do love it when like Thai people go to study their masters in England, which I think is a pretty common trend and they come up with the proper British accent.
That didn't happen to me.
Yeah.
So the normal thing where most Thai people I know that went to England get an American accent because American accents are lazy British accents.
So I think no, it's no.
I mean, like we don't pronounce the R's as much.
You know what I mean?
All the speech is like lazier.
We have less pronunciation enunciation when we talk.
So like I do think a lot of Thai people when they go to England, they end up with an American accent because it's easier.
You don't have to say hard R's and stuff.
I think like like Nikki, I'm sure for you for me also, we just went to international school.
So we kind of had this accent.
But I think it's the Thais who maybe didn't speak too much English.
You know, they just kind of like picked up on a lot of English in England and they have like this very thick British accent.
It's weird.
It's just hard to like put that that accent with that face.
Can you do a British accent, Nikki?
Certainly.
Certainly not.
I cannot.
No, I cannot.
We need to do an episode where we just speak in British accent.
I remember doing British English impersonations like when I used to be drunk after watching Guy Ritchie films.
So you watched a lot of Guy Ritchie films.
I was a fan.
You love Guy Ritchie films.
I can do one British impersonation.
Please sir, may I have some more?
Oh, that was actually pretty good.
You know where that's from?
Bahoahua, huh?
Where is it from?
Oliver.
Oliver Twist.
Thank you.
Oliver Twist has a film?
No, you know, I saw the Disney adaptation.
The Mickey Mouse.
Oh, there is a Bengali adaptation like in Black and White of Oliver Twist.
It's like from 40s or 50s film.
And I watched it as a kid.
It was a brilliant film.
I want to see that.
Yeah.
I need to find a print of that like good print.
A Bollywood twist on a classic tale or something.
I did see that.
We saw Devde.
We saw Heather.
Oh, yes.
But also, I think it was the last movie we saw.
I mentioned that a lot of these Indian plots are very Dickensian.
Yes.
Like very much in the vein of like a Dickensian like class structure.
This poor kid that gets adopted by rich people.
I saw like Dickensian or Victorian, I guess.
That was a pretty common trope of 70s, 80s Bollywood.
That the poor kids growing up struggling and then like winning over the world, that kind of thing.
Yeah, it's just very common.
And also, I thought, I grew up reading Charles Dickens stories, the translation of those.
Probably everyone did.
Yeah.
Like in India.
So probably stuck with those themes.
Yeah, I give that to my niece and she was so angry with me.
She's like, who gives these kind of books?
They're sad.
They're sad books.
But the ends well.
All well that ends well.
So the problem with any of those is because it's again like it ends well because a rich person adopted you,
which is just not a solution or a hope that most people can have.
It's not a very realistic take on your situation.
I mean, I don't know the rights of Tradwife on TikTok shows that it does seem to be a pretty good solution.
They're falling pretty soon.
I mean, I will say that always like women will not, they can do whatever.
They cannot please the Red Pill audience and get on with them ever.
They will keep on changing the bars.
So Tradwife was supposed to be a failure and it's failing pretty soon enough.
Like I thought it would take at least like four, three, four years or something, but it didn't even take that long.
This is like opening a Pandora's box.
I'm so tempted to go on.
There are so many stories of the Tradwife saying, hey, I dabbled in this and everyone was so awful that I had to get out or they were married in that situation.
It's like, yeah, because they hate you.
I mean, like what would you get out of this?
You cannot ever win with them.
So you can't.
Oh, I don't want to get into it.
You know I can go on and on for a long time about this.
Our brains are having deli belly right now.
Like we will be started from Aarup's ex-girlfriend's fiance to like Tradwife.
Yeah, pretty soon.
That's cool.
Yeah, I'd say Sonia was probably a Tradwife or in this case, would it be Nitin?
Was that his name?
Nitin being a Trad husband because Sonia is really rich.
This guy has been hung on the TV for like a long time.
I think it's been a good 10 minutes.
He's just been with the news around his neck.
So Nikki loses his voice because of that right later on.
He loses his voice because I don't get the, when does he shave his head?
He shaves his head because his ex-girlfriend dumps him.
That's a very normal response to that kind of situation.
Well, I literally do that.
You guys have seen me do that.
I go through facial transition, like facial hair transitions through life changes.
So I'm wearing a mustache and where I grew out of mustache.
My last major life change, I was like stuck in Vietnam for a month.
That's when I shaved my head and grew a beard.
I do this constantly.
I do that.
I just do shave my head beard or like keep a beard.
That's it.
Sounds pretty similar.
Not on the hair part.
I haven't touched that part.
I was telling Adam I was not really liking his mustache look.
Nobody does.
And then I can remember if you had a beard, Kili, I mean, you had to like go on your Instagram and stalk your photos.
Because I'm like, no, I'm pretty sure Kili just has a goatee.
And Adam's like, no, he has a full beard.
It was really weird.
I was like, Winnie, that's just if he's looking directly at you.
I was like, that makes no sense.
She thought you only had front facial hair and nothing on the side.
Have you ever had that?
Just like the front?
No, so when I had front, I didn't have the mustache part, only the goatee part.
OK, so it was coming from somewhere.
Yeah.
I mean, the last time I grew out a mustache, it was really inconvenient.
Yeah.
Bring it back then.
No, not now anymore.
That time my face was like way leaner and stuff.
It was looking good.
Now it won't look good.
You know, I don't think so.
I'm shaving as soon as my birthday is over, but every single person hates it and does not feel the same.
He looks nice though.
Yeah, but in Thailand I look old.
And they don't like me looking old.
In here, if I shave my face, they think I look like a baby.
I would say the prototype for being the guy is being old out here.
That definitely fits the criteria.
Not for the type that Thai people like though.
That's the prototype for the world's next best that come here.
Oh, I remember being told I look older when I shave my beard.
That's weird.
It's supposed to be usually the other way around.
Why do you look so old with baby face?
Now I wonder what you look like without the beard.
Is your face a bit funny under there?
No.
Why do you look so old with a shaved beard?
I don't know.
You get like a monocle every time you shave it.
I feel a little older when I shave my beard.
None of that makes sense.
We don't know that because we haven't seen it.
You're going to have to show live shaving.
No Shave November is coming up so I expect all of you guys to participate.
If I participated, I think I'd win all of you and I would just grow the best mustache.
Why do people do that?
Cancer, wait, I was going to say testicle cancer.
No FAP November is baby with that.
It is cancer awareness.
No Shave November is cancer awareness.
For prostate cancer.
No Shave November is an excuse for like bacon lover redditors to like take a photo of themselves.
There's no real purpose.
Like how is this related to cancer?
Because cancer people lose hair when they're going under chemotherapy, right?
So that's why I'm not shaving my hair.
I'm guessing that's why they shave.
I will see. I can grow hair.
When I first came to Thailand, I had a beard in my very first, like more than now.
But my very, very first job interview was at like some high school and they made me do like a teaching demo and I did that.
And then they just asked me, they're like, are you a terrorist?
I was like, I don't know. What do you mean?
What does that mean?
Like, is that a race of people? Is that like an ethnicity?
Like, am I just here to teach and then I'm going to blow the school up eventually because I can't help it?
But they asked that because I had a beard.
And to them, I just look like a terrorist.
And so I immediately went home and shaved and I did not grow a beard for like eight years after that.
Is that a race? Is that an ethnicity?
I'd say most right-wing Americans would say yes.
Well, you know, because they think I look like Arab or something.
Exactly.
And so they're just like they and I'm like, what am I supposed to say?
Yeah, I'm a terrorist.
It's nice to know that Thai people also have this point of view.
I did not know that.
I experienced racism too many.
This place, Arab racism sometimes lands on me.
Well, any white person listening to this, if you want to experience what racism feels like, come to Thailand.
Grow a beard. If you don't want to experience racism, just be clean shaven. You'll be fine.
Get a tan.
You'll get a job instantly.
Even for landing here.
Yeah, they just throw jobs at you and you get the keys to the city if you stay longer than a week.
All right. Anyway.
So we're OK.
So what's showing on screen right now?
Basically a commentary track.
They've escaped.
But I've already I've already covered that.
But I think the whole let's just the movie culminates into this gun, like a showdown, a gunfight between the police, the mobsters and the three roommates.
Yeah.
And like a gunfight ensues.
Right. And then like through the chaos of it all, it's just the roommates that survive.
Yeah.
And like everyone is getting the money from the diamond dealing and the whole thing.
Everyone is dead.
So then they're like there are no witnesses so they can get away scot free.
It's that easy.
Yeah.
And they get the money.
The diamonds and the money.
They don't get the diamonds. The diamonds fall from the window on the landlords head because he was with his brother who is a police who comes to the scene.
So they get the money.
They get the girl.
Yeah.
But I think it's not defined in like the in the plot, but like the character arcs, which again is like due to the payout.
There are everyone has a character arc.
Yeah.
And then he breaks up with her or like gets over her husband. The she well yeah.
Tashi no no.
Manika like learns to like get over and like leave her ex.
Tashi learns like what he wants in life and breaks up with his ex and doesn't get married.
Proto Hagrid who was blackmailing his landlord by taking photos of him having sex with a prostitute and brothel.
Learns to love his landlord because the landlord saves his life so he removes the blackmail and decides to pay rent in a pro landlord statement in the movie.
And Arup quits his job that he hates because they have all the money.
He's all good.
But they all have some character arcs which is nice.
Yeah.
That's that's that's I like the I like the fact how Tashi and Sonia breaks up like how Hawaii.
How Hawaii Sonya Sonya actually breaks up with Tashi.
No Tashi breaks up.
No Sonya breaks up with Tashi.
No.
So what happens is like so so they that we are like they Tashi and the Manika kisses in the car kiss in the car wearing the burka.
And then the husband confronts Manika in that hotel lobby that I saw you with women so they are true they were true that you are a lesbian.
So that's when he comes to know that it was Tashi in a burka not another woman.
So that's when he that's when Sonya was standing there after the all the feud and all the hassle they have gone through because of Sonya took up a smuggling thing unknowingly or unknowingly and was in life threatening situations.
So they literally dealt it on their life like risk their life to save Sonya and then Sonya slaps Tashi in front of everyone just for kissing another girl.
And that's correct.
That's when but that's that.
Oh yeah.
That's why Tashi breaks up with Sonia Sonya.
Later on afterwards he actually says they're like she didn't break up with you and he's like no I broke up with her.
Yeah.
She wanted to stay with him.
Yeah.
I'm glad you walked yourself through that answer though.
Yeah he like just walked into the answer.
I didn't just say I didn't need to say anything anyway.
Oh no.
She got punished now.
Yeah and then what was his name Nitin keeps the money.
Nitin thank you.
Yeah he keeps the money.
He wants to go after Sonia.
Yeah.
She's hot man.
That's what he said because she's hot.
Yeah no shame.
But then you know you get your usual ending you know Tashi just kisses Minaka in this weird like chasing after the car scene.
It's kind of cute.
It's a car going and he's like blocks her view and almost kills pedestrians but it's a cute moment.
And that's it that's all that's that's that's all we get from the film and then you get to this nice little musical number at the end with Disco Fighter and who do we have it's Amir Khan.
He's he's PK you know he's just playing as a Disco Fighter.
Which by the way I forgot to mention is you know the scene when Aroob's girlfriend breaks up with him we get him fantasizing as Disco Fighter right.
And one of the things that I really enjoyed in that scene that always gives me a laugh gives me like laughs and all that is that I think they were like parodying like soap operas.
Yeah because they were doing like a lot of like camera zoom in camera zoom in and then like people were fainting and then like I think the mother slaps the girl and then she like has this extended reaction where she just run like collapses in front of like.
Yeah that was cool that was pretty neat.
That was very nice.
Yeah.
And they were referencing so Disco Fighter I think it's kind of a reference to Meet Hoon.
Meet Hoon was one of the Bollywood actors who is to who did Disco Dancer film.
So the disco music like was very popular to the in Bollywood in 70s and 80s.
Maybe we'll discuss it about discuss about it on some other films.
So this is kind of a homage to this kind of film but I don't I can't I can't explain the chest hair though.
Like he realized that yeah.
It's Austin Powers.
Yeah.
So yeah to the final final final dance number is cool.
Also he says like Jo Chow Ka Udte Huye Jai Usse Chakka Kehte.
So it's like the cricket like it's a joke but I can't explain.
I will bring this up too while we're doing the translations.
They do say sister fucker a lot.
Yeah.
Panchot.
Yeah they use a lot of a lot of slurs.
So even the car swords made it adult as well like if you put so many car swords in a film like it would be an adult film in India for sure.
Yeah I mean any film.
But sister fucker is one I haven't heard often.
Do they mean they're fucking their own sister or someone else's sister.
You can always fucking someone else's sister I guess.
It can mean both actually.
I mean what does mother fucker mean.
It's your fucking your own mother.
It's it's it's it's an essence.
So when you really say someone do you even think of that.
I don't think so.
I don't think about.
Yeah.
It's just like it's not neutral.
You motherfucker like do you think really that they're fucking their mother or something.
That is super weird because most of the time we know their mothers.
But this is one of the most popular cuss words in Hindi like even if you don't know Hindi or Punjabi usually one of the first words you learn is Panchot.
In my school that's what I learned.
There was like a chant you know.
Panchot.
Oh that song.
Oh my god.
It gets passed around my school all the time.
Oh yeah that used to be passed around in my school as well.
Panchot.
Sister fucker motherfucker sister.
It was a very very popular song.
We will play that song.
Yeah.
After this.
We will play this song.
So so so this this this.
It's a hit record.
After we stop recording.
Okay.
So this film has the song like you remember the song.
I don't know.
Oh this song that this song was not in the film.
Bhag Bhag Nikke Bose.
Nikke Bose.
Bhag Bhag Nikke Bose.
Yeah the chase.
The chase.
Yeah yeah the chase.
During the chase.
It plays during the chase right.
It was playing during the chase.
Yeah.
So they play or play these words like Bhag Nikke Bose.
Nikke Bose can be someone's name.
So they are going to run Nikke Bose.
But when you say continuously Bhag Nikke Bose Nikke Bose Nikke Bose.
It sounds like Bhosrikay Bhosrikay is a scarce word.
So they are actually word playing on that.
There was another saying Tere Pyar Ne Dilko Kya Diya Puncture like your love has punctured
my heart.
But the way they say puncture it sounds like Panchot.
So they do these things in this film a lot like in the songs a lot.
It's edgy.
Yeah it is fun.
It's fun.
We should I think we didn't have much of the songs like that.
The songs from the film album like music album in this film properly like how Bollywood film
has music right.
So they might be played a little bit of a little bit part of it during the film.
But yeah the music's are really nice.
Music's are really nice.
Yeah.
Before we close out against Deli Belly.
Does anyone have any Deli Belly stories?
You've been to Delhi Adam.
I have actually.
So why don't you tell us yours.
Yeah.
So first of all I'll say this too.
So I studied in Ethiopia for three months and I was so worried about that of getting
sick that I ate Pepto Bismol.
I ate it like multiple times a day to avoid it.
So I was just very constipated for three months.
But I was the only one that never got sick on that trip.
And I also had a beer every single day.
I'm just saying if anyone's traveling it helps.
But going to India I can't like remember any horror stories except you know the bathrooms
suck.
Yeah.
So if you're going to have it like I am very spoiled in Thailand because the toilets are
amazing and they have like bomb hoses or bidets and it's like clean.
But I've been in very very bad Indian bathrooms or like.
Indian toilets sucks.
They're really bad.
Do they not have bidets out there?
They're almost non-existent.
First thing is almost non-existent.
You have to really cry hard to find a pay and use toilet in the city.
And they suck.
They suck.
And like they're always.
It's almost like American toilets.
American toilets are really bad too.
But these are like they're always broken.
Like water's not working or the door doesn't close.
Yeah.
Like you're not going to be able to flush.
It's going to be very embarrassing.
Everyone can hear you or smell.
It's not fun.
And you will get an upset stomach just because you're not going to be able to do anything
with your body.
So I'm like I'm going to go to the bathroom.
I'm going to go to the bathroom.
And you will get an upset stomach just because that's just the food.
I mean you just will.
Yeah I had also like while living in.
I mean I had of course I had many times in India because I lived in India.
But like in Delhi I had like in a span of 11 months, 10, 11 months I was living there.
I had my share of teddy bellies.
God forbid you're on the train too.
Oh yeah.
Train toilets.
Oh my god.
That nauseating.
Yeah.
Damn.
Yep.
I just went to a dark place.
Do you have a story?
I have many stories.
Oh my god.
Sharing poop stories.
Yeah please go for it.
Okay so yeah this was like aircon to like a first class almost first class compartment.
So like pretty nice compartments and then at night like I had to go to the toilet and
I went to the toilet and I see like a lump of shit on the floor.
Like the pan is just next to it.
Like whoever shat didn't shat in the pan.
They shat on the floor.
And it's not diarrhea.
It's not diarrhea that like they couldn't stop it or it was a medical emergency.
No it was like proper like good looking clump of poop.
I love that you analyzed it.
Well no because someone had to avoid the toilet on purpose or they barely got there in time
or they didn't get there.
No it was not like so when you walk in and you are shitting yourself it has a like you
know a bad taste right.
It's a trail of it.
Like it's not.
It's like properly positioned.
Like they sat down next to the toilet and shat there.
And then I saw in the aisle as well.
Someone shat in the aisle?
Yeah.
Like in front of people?
Maybe in the middle of the night when no one was looking.
I don't know when.
But that was the most unreal thing I have seen.
I don't know why a person would have to do that in what kind of circumstances.
And you're still blaming someone else for this?
You're still trying to.
So yeah.
Nikki?
Yeah I've seen I think it was a Chinese family at Siam Paragon.
They would hold their child over the wastebasket on the fifth floor near the ice cream shop
that I like to go eat.
I've also had like stories like so I guess you know I might get flak for this but I'm
spoiled with toilets.
Like they're like if we're like out on a gas station somewhere in Thailand and they don't
have those bomb guns I wouldn't like I'm not going to use them.
I don't want to touch.
I don't want to go in the toilet.
You don't want to use that mug like thing.
So like the one where you have to squat I usually tend to avoid those.
But one situation where I could not avoid those was in high school we were as Thai we
were required to go to military training for like two three years.
And the final test was that we have to go out to this military camp for like a week
or so and they don't have functioning toilets.
You'd have to only have the ones where you have to squat.
And like because we're from an international school me and my classmates we don't want
to use those.
So what we tried to do because like usually when you're out in the wild right you're forced
to go out in the open like out in the jungle and just do your business.
We don't want to do that right.
So every time we go back to home base we always have to like quickly drink some soy milk have
the runs like drink some Coca Cola.
We would eat a lot of food just so that we could expel all the stuff we had.
And then like everyone would be rushing towards the headquarters like toilet just to let
it all out.
It was not a good time.
How long was that?
Oh that was when I was 18.
I'm surprised.
I mean how long were you camping for?
Oh camping for like a whole week.
So we were doing that for like for like a long time.
And then it's like I think the kid the like we were we were grouped up with like the Thai
school kids like the really super Thai and they were making fun of us.
We were getting bullied here and there.
Yeah of course you would get.
It was not a good time.
I'm surprised you did the military.
All the international school kids I know it just kind of paid their way out of it.
Some of them paid their way out but like my parents wanted me to experience something.
I remember like doing like I used to be very toilet shy and like you know like not go to
any random toilets and stuff.
And it has to be super clean and everything.
It all changed when I started trekking.
You don't have much of a choice.
No actually like when I am in the wild I'm okay.
I'm better off like you know like I actually can do it.
It smells better.
I mean yeah it's just in the wild like no one is looking at you.
It's just nature.
Just do your business and be done with it.
But before like going like starting the trekking when you are the base camp and like in the
smaller towns and then like these are not like we would book like a proper hotel or
something like you know maybe like some small little like rooms and stuff like that.
So those toilets and on the street and stuff like that like when we had started using pay
and use toilet yeah that's when it kind of introduced me to the reality of India.
Indian toilets.
Yeah.
So we actually have a friend in our friend group.
Now I won't name names but like till today he's a full garden dog but till today he cannot
use the bathroom outside for like number two right.
So there's been times that we've been hanging out like at the bar we always go to and like
he'll just go home use the bathroom and come back.
I don't think he's ever gonna grow out of that one.
When I was a kid, it's still soup now.
I have a really hard time if the bathroom door doesn't lock.
I need the door to lock.
Well of course.
Oh yeah but there's some toilets where like the bathroom door doesn't lock and some homes
in America where the door doesn't lock.
I don't know why.
I don't know why people do this in families and stuff but there's this friend's house
I used to go to all the time when I was a kid and they had a bathroom door that just
didn't lock.
And so I would just as a tiny kid be like trying to prop the door closed.
I just so freaked out that someone would come in and like see my little dick or something.
Like I don't know but like I just kept pissing my pants at this friend's house and they eventually
just kicked me out and like this dude can't come over here anymore.
And like it was my parents were like why the fuck do you keep pissing at this one kid's
house?
Like you don't piss your pants any other time.
Like ever.
Like it's just here but it's because the door doesn't lock and I freak out when that happens.
I need the door to lock.
I think what's worse is like American restrooms are they always have a gap between the door.
That too.
It's I don't know like a two inch gap.
Yeah it makes it so uncomfortable.
So if someone can peep into it.
You yes.
Absolutely if they put their eye there they can see everything.
You can definitely kind of like see like a silhouette of a person in there.
I can't never be like I'll always be on the edge.
On top of that they have no bum guns so like I would compare that to I've never been to
India but.
Yeah so you can buy those get portable bum guns now.
You're not going to walk around with that all day?
Yeah in your backpack.
You have like wet wipes I think that's the closest.
So what I should do like when I was traveling in France like I would take a small water
bottle like the use and throw like the drinking water bottle.
Pokes and holes.
No no fill it up with yeah like fill it up with yeah do something and maybe squeeze it
or something like fill it up in the wash basin and then go to the toilet use it and throw
it in the trash.
How do the buckets work by the way?
Do you just splash it up into you?
No no you have to use your hand I think.
Wait I thought the buckets are not for your bum it's to it's to flush right?
It's like when they don't have.
Then what do you use for your bum?
There is no other water supply in those toilets.
Toilet paper like Americans?
No for the Thai classic Thai ones with the.
No I think.
So I know the women's restroom have that as well but I always just thought it was for
like flush because there's usually no flush like you have to just kind of pour the water
in.
Yeah but there is no water for your bum I say like how do you clean yourself then?
This is new to me.
I was taught when I was a kid so we didn't have bum guns so it's hand.
Oh so that's what you use you use the bucket and then you just splash it out?
Yeah we wash it down with your hand.
But you wash it out with your hand though.
I don't know like you scoop your hand in the water like in the water.
No no no you put we are getting into details.
So you put pour the water on your bum and while you pour the water you wash it with
your left hand and then later on you use the soap to clean your hand.
Oh that is something wow.
So before I went to the States I was really worried about this bum gun that was like my
biggest concern right.
So you had bum guns since when you were a kid?
Yeah Thailand it's like everywhere.
Like since like 90s.
Yes yeah we've had bum guns since forever.
I think we faced those squatty toilets with the basins only when we go to the downskirts.
Like in my home it was in 2000s and then before also like it's still you'll find so many toilets
like in Thailand like in Thailand a lot of toilets like you were saying that has the
water bucket.
But that's only when you leave like Bangkok and try to go to like the more rural areas.
Yeah yeah but still that's it's still Thailand right there's still real people living there.
So it's like so we still have those kind like we I even still have toilet like so that's
how we were potty trained like you know like you have to clean your.
Yeah.
Like that's the potty training.
I never learned I never knew how to use those.
It's like pour the water and clean with your hand simultaneously and then wash your.
I never even knew it was for that purpose the water does not even look clean I really
just thought it was for flush.
Oh so when I use it that like I don't use the water that's already there usually they
have a tap.
Oh okay.
So I will not go where there is no tap.
I will go only if there is a tap so that I can get the fresh water because I can't because
one time there was in one of the park I went like here in Thailand like naturally like
reserve forest or natural park and yeah and there were little frogs inside like I could
hear the frogs all the time in the toilet like bunch of frogs.
I can't see them where they are because it's dark and there is a small light coming through
the like a crack of the roof.
Killy wipes his ass with a frog on everything.
Well anyways.
Yeah that was a whole tangent.
I'm not sure if today's episode was Delhi belly or like.
Look we talked about all aspects Delhi belly.
We hope this is not too shitty of an episode.
And we hope it was educational because I learned something.
When I first came to Thailand and I saw the bumholes next to me I've never seen it before
and I was sitting on the toilet YouTubing how to use it.
I had no clue and I was pointing it in the wrong way and stuff.
It took me a while to figure that out.
But now I can't live without it.
It's a must.
Like it's required like every everywhere my dad goes he has one installed wherever he
stays.
Yeah I mean I don't blame him dude.
I would do the same exact thing.
If I ever move back to America.
What really makes me mad is you see these new developments in Bangkok these new malls
and stuff that don't have it.
They want to be a western place so you see like new hotels and all the central malls.
They don't have it.
They don't have it and it drives me crazy.
Like why are you downgrading.
It's a downgrade and it's disgusting and it's not nice and the toilets are not good.
I'm also not a big fan of the Japanese toilets where like you just press a button and it
kind of like squirts up.
I mean.
No that's okay.
I still prefer the handheld type.
They dry you.
You gotta aim at the right spot.
Yeah you gotta keep moving around.
There's different buttons to move around.
There are buttons to move around.
There's different buttons to move around.
There's like a sweeper.
Yeah yeah for women it's also like a front one and a back one.
Yeah.
It's not mainly men.
That's all you need.
In the women's bathroom.
That's all.
I've only seen that at malls.
I don't know.
I don't have any friends who are rich enough to have those kind of toilets installed in
their houses.
I think I have been to someone's house that had it.
I can't remember but I mean it's not their bought home.
They were renting it.
Yeah.
But I don't like that you have to move in those kind of toilets.
Whereas with the handheld one you you know like you just move your hand.
No you don't.
You adjust the position.
The only thing about the handheld is you can clean your bathroom too.
Oh yeah.
Like anything.
You can do anything.
You can piss off the ground.
No worries.
You spray that shit.
Yeah.
I think the main intention was for it to be used to clean the bathroom.
I think so.
Was it just a bum gun?
I think it's an all purpose thing.
I think so.
I think so because like this part of the world people wash their bum.
People are clean.
Not wipe their bum.
And paper is gross and expensive.
Yeah.
If you had shit on your cheek would you take a piece of paper and wipe it off and go about
your day?
No.
You'd wash it.
I don't know why we think it's okay to do it to our ass.
I never I I I couldn't like process it when I learned that that happens.
Americans disgusting.
It is.
That that's the norm to do it and then I couldn't process my head.
And and and yes there is this thing like when my relatives who's living in America they
used to come back to India they would use tissues and not pumpkin.
I would make fun of that.
Then they they would keep tissue like yeah.
Yeah.
My friend gave me like a little spray thing you know that you used to water your plants.
She gave that to me before I went to America to try to it did not work.
We really stretched this film discussion to her.
So by God.
The movie is nearing the end.
We stretched it that long.
All right so final thoughts on the movie or toilet paper up to you Nikki.
So I really like how I really like Adam's observation where he was like he didn't really
care the first time we went through this movie and then we noticed some many like in interesting
details or like styles of filming or like just the aesthetics alone.
It's not your typical Bollywood movie.
No musical numbers.
Very grounded.
Does a lot of risque things.
I like that.
I like it feels very fresh and original.
Very fun.
Whoever listening to this podcast if you haven't watched Delhi Belly that came out on 2011
just go and watch it.
Like yeah you have to watch it.
Yeah it's really nice film.
Well I don't really remember the film so I'm gonna say it was not that memorable.
But not to shit on it because I think like as we're replaying in the background as we
record this podcast like I remember thinking it was a very progressive film.
It's kind of like a crossover between Hollywood Bollywood to some degree where yeah it's very
young very fresh for like the new generation I'd say.
Not very representative of what Bollywood is but it's just a fun watch.
I don't think you're gonna come out of it with like any key insights or takeaways.
You're just gonna have like go on one hell of a ride and have a good time and sometimes
you just need those kind of films.
Yeah.
Also.
Okay so let me.
Shall we try to get you to be challenged?
Let me wrap up then.
Oh yeah what I was gonna say.
If you are new to Indian films or kind of scared or intimidated by the subject.
I would recommend Deli Belly just because they all speak in English.
You don't need to read subtitles.
It's an hour and 40 minutes which I know is a huge barrier to entry for most Indian films
is the length.
Three hours is just not fun.
So yeah like if you want to like just see you know life in India and get a good taste
of it you know I'd recommend this because it's a very easy way to dip your toes into
Indian cinema I'd say.
But not representative of it.
But then I think channel has become a hot but the canım fantasy has
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