1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,600 This is my favorite scene. 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:03,200 Ready? 3 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:04,240 Hello. 4 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,920 Well, we're starting with Winnie's intro, right? 5 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:07,880 Oh my gosh. 6 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,200 Now we need to find the little star. 7 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:10,760 But also, are the momos almost here? 8 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,480 Because it's like here in five minutes. 9 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,280 So we should wait. 10 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:14,160 Wait for the momos. 11 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,320 Because we're going to be interrupted by the momos. 12 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:17,120 Five minutes. 13 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,600 I think you can stay out there. 14 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:33,840 Welcome to Fear of Stairs, Desi Films Decoded, 15 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,080 the podcast where four friends from different backgrounds 16 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,000 unlock the world of Desi cinema. 17 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,400 I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India. 18 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,920 Hey, I'm Killy. 19 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,000 I'm from India. 20 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,080 I'm Nikki, a non-religious Asian. 21 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:57,280 I'm Adam, a half-religious American, I guess. 22 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,240 We'll get into it. 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,640 Killy, you recently came back from India. 24 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,560 Yep. 25 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:04,400 How was it? 26 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,040 It was good. 27 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,320 It was good food. 28 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:14,200 So Killy actually brought back mutton biryani from India. 29 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,760 And that was the first time I've ever 30 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,680 had food straight out of India. 31 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,280 So it was a very special moment for me as well. 32 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,240 And that was a bomb biryani. 33 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,320 Even though I feel like you weren't too impressed by it, 34 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:25,880 Killy, but I was impressed. 35 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,520 Yeah, it was just dry a bit. 36 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,400 But yeah, it's the best biryani. 37 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,280 How did you get it over here? 38 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,360 Just carried it by hand. 39 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,400 You carried it by hand on the airplane? 40 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,320 Yeah. 41 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:39,800 What? 42 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:40,800 It's a two-hour flight. 43 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,080 It's not like it's a messenger. 44 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:42,760 Oh, yeah, I guess. 45 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:43,240 OK. 46 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,320 Did you buy it from food outside of the airport? 47 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:46,960 Yeah. 48 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:48,400 I mean, OK, so the thing is like. 49 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,000 What's the journey of this food? 50 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,000 It cannot be. 51 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,160 No, but I carried it in hand luggage. 52 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,960 I didn't give it to the chicken. 53 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,400 So biryani is a dry food. 54 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,320 It doesn't have any watery part. 55 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,720 So the food that has watery part, 56 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,080 it cannot be carried on a plane. 57 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,240 Dry food can be. 58 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,680 So biryani is dry, so it's easy to carry. 59 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,120 Carry like butter chicken. 60 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Yeah, sure. 61 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,040 So for the listener, Winnie is like Rapunzel, 62 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,400 where you really want to go to India. 63 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,320 But because since we started this podcast, 64 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,240 and we have a tagline, you are not allowed to go at all. 65 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,400 So Killy has to run on trips and then bring food to you 66 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,160 that we feed to you in your man in the iron mask jail cell. 67 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,240 Yeah, exactly. 68 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,400 So I was born in Thailand. 69 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,440 I've never been to India. 70 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,720 Usually I travel solo. 71 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,600 And the one request my mom has made for me 72 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,280 is please don't go to India alone. 73 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,960 So I've respected her wishes these past few years. 74 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,240 But Killy's, I think, is like my closest 75 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,560 into the culture right now. 76 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,520 And honestly, having food from the homeland 77 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,200 was a pretty special moment. 78 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,760 How did it taste? 79 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,520 Tasted like India. 80 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,640 Was it different? 81 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:03,200 Was it different? 82 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,600 OK, the mutton was different. 83 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,280 I think like the biryani overall taste 84 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,440 was similar to what you'd get in Thailand. 85 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,400 But the mutton was a little bit like, I don't know, 86 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,280 it was just juicier. 87 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:13,280 It was nicer. 88 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,920 So if that was the biryani that tasted 89 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:20,560 after hours of traveling from India to Thailand, 90 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,080 I can imagine that like freshly made, 91 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,600 it would have blown my mind. 92 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,040 What about the Indian food in Thailand, though? 93 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,960 There's a lot of Indian restaurants in Thailand. 94 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,160 First of all, it's highly overpriced. 95 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,640 I think the quality is good. 96 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:36,800 I don't know, Killy can probably compare it to Indian food 97 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,120 from India a little bit more. 98 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,320 But I grew up eating my grandma's food. 99 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,720 So I would say that that was the golden standard. 100 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,200 And she made really good chicken curry and roti, chapati. 101 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,320 And I think no restaurant I've had from Thailand 102 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,520 has really matched that quality that she made. 103 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,680 But that might just be a bias for grandma's food. 104 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:53,160 Yeah. 105 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:53,800 Most of us have that. 106 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,520 I think from my experience, I feel like everywhere I go, 107 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,520 there are several good places to eat. 108 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,040 Not the one from W District. 109 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:07,480 I think that one is the butter chicken was a lot to be desired. 110 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,320 Butter chicken is a British food. 111 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:10,760 Oh, don't say that, Killy. 112 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:11,760 Do not say that. 113 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,160 Shots fired. 114 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,960 So Witty, if you go to India, if, by the way, if, OK, 115 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,680 that's a hard if because we have to change our entire podcast 116 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:21,760 premise. 117 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,400 So we'll see about that. 118 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,120 But if you go, what do you want to try? 119 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,120 Food wise? 120 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,160 Oh my god, I'm going to be sitting there having 121 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,720 pani puri from morning to night. 122 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,240 So you get pani puri here. 123 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,840 Like you get six for a hundred. 124 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:34,160 I don't know. 125 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,160 It's like four or five bucks. 126 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,080 It's like five bucks. 127 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,360 Yeah, exactly. 128 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,360 And I think you probably get like 10 for five bucks. 129 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:39,840 It's crap. 130 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:40,720 Yeah. 131 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,240 In Nepal, I don't remember how much it is in India. 132 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,800 Five bucks is in five US dollars. 133 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,200 Yeah. 134 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,840 OK, how much is one pani puri actually in India? 135 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:51,160 No, it's like 10 cents. 136 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,040 Yeah, something like that. 137 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:52,760 It's like nothing. 138 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:53,600 It's literally nothing. 139 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,160 So you could stand there and eat like 100. 140 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,280 I was doing that in Nepal. 141 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:58,600 I was literally just standing at a cart just eating it. 142 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,240 It's like unlimited. 143 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,520 You just stand there and they just keep feeding it to you. 144 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,000 Yeah. 145 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:03,760 It's incredible. 146 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,040 But I've heard pani puri is also kind of the main reason 147 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,040 a lot of people get diarrhea or like the belly belly, I guess. 148 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,280 Because they just use their hands to make some of it. 149 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:16,400 You have to know from where to buy it, where to eat it. 150 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:17,280 You have to know. 151 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:20,640 You need someone who lives there and will tell you, OK, 152 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,120 go there and buy it. 153 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,040 Eat from that vendor. 154 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,440 Otherwise, it's difficult. 155 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,720 So you went back to see family. 156 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,240 Yeah, family. 157 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,000 I spent time with them, my parents' house, 158 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 my sister's house. 159 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,880 Do you want to give out their addresses here? 160 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,480 Yeah. 161 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,160 Where are you from in India, Kiwi? 162 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,160 I'm from West Bengal. 163 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,000 Yeah. 164 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,480 So what's the main city in there? 165 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,680 Kolkata is the nearest city. 166 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,160 So what, did you do anything? 167 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:54,920 Is there any? 168 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,240 Did you do anything while you were there? 169 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,360 Anything to bring up on this podcast on Indian? 170 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,360 Anything. 171 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:05,400 I was just unwinding myself. 172 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,120 I had a pretty busy month, back to back events, 173 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,520 back to back a lot of work and stuff. 174 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,440 I thought of doing so many things. 175 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,840 I thought of doing some other projects and here and there. 176 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:21,320 But I just went there. 177 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:27,880 I used to wake up, talk to people, and then just chill, 178 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,080 do nothing. 179 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:29,720 That's fair. 180 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,400 That's called a vacation. 181 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,840 Yeah, it was a really vacation in my hometown. 182 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:36,480 That's it. 183 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,560 Did you watch any Bollywood movies with your family 184 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,600 while you were there? 185 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,160 No, just watched something, all the films. 186 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,480 I think you gave your nephew a little hand-held. 187 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,920 Yeah, hand-held PSP knockoffs. 188 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,280 Hey, so you told people you were making a podcast on Indian 189 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:53,840 films, right? 190 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:55,280 What did they say? 191 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:58,840 They said the podcast. 192 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:01,520 OK, that's nice. 193 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:02,720 Yeah, so big hit. 194 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,240 But we have a fan from there, right? 195 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:05,760 A new fan. 196 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 197 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,280 Yeah, big shout out to my niece. 198 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:12,760 Yeah, thanks for believing in us. 199 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,120 She said it's really cool. 200 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,000 OK, that's nice. 201 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,920 So while Kili was gone, we chose a movie to watch. 202 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,760 And actually, I did find this interesting 203 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,080 because eventually we'll all be choosing movies at some point. 204 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,480 And I think it's going to speak a lot to our personalities. 205 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,040 And I think, Winnie, this one was 206 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,000 very indicative of your personality 207 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,680 and what you want to talk about. 208 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,920 So in the group chat, you wanted to go with PK. 209 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,280 Right. 210 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:43,880 Why? 211 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,320 OK, so for the listeners out there who don't know PK, 212 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,240 it was released in 2014. 213 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,960 And it was directed by Rajkumar Hirani. 214 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,960 I hope I said that correctly. 215 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,520 And I watched it a few years ago. 216 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,920 So I stopped watching Bollywood from when I was real young. 217 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,200 And this was just one of the films 218 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,040 that I watched recently because it was also on Netflix. 219 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,480 And the religious commentary it had behind it. 220 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,560 So I'm a person who likes social issues, political issues. 221 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,400 And I just like discussing things about that. 222 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,000 And this was the first Bollywood film 223 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,760 I watched where all of those usual Bollywood tropes 224 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,560 were just not really prominent. 225 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,600 And it was just more of a social commentary 226 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,160 about the state of India, the religious followings and such. 227 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,840 And I was so impressed by it. 228 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,680 It made me question so much about human behavior. 229 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,680 It doesn't just go into religious behaviors. 230 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,440 It also talks about how men are not allowed to wear skirts 231 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,040 or just very human things that we do. 232 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,760 And we don't really question because it's so normalized. 233 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,360 But because this movie comes from a perspective of an alien 234 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,000 who lands on Earth and doesn't know 235 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,320 anything about human society. 236 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,040 And so he kind of sees this from a third party point of view. 237 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,560 And it does that very well in a very humorous way as well. 238 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:55,280 So I really appreciated that. 239 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,640 So yeah, that was why I chose it. 240 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,840 It was also a big hit in India. 241 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,760 So it was the highest grossing film 242 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,480 when it was first released in theater. 243 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:03,680 Yeah, exactly. 244 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:04,800 That's huge. 245 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,520 Right, right, especially for not being like a very Bollywoody 246 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:09,520 film in essence. 247 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:10,240 Yeah, correct. 248 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:10,760 Right. 249 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,040 So I think it also goes to show that a lot of people 250 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,280 wanted to speak about these things. 251 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,680 And maybe they didn't have the platform to. 252 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:17,480 And this movie kind of provided that platform 253 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,800 for them to bring up these issues that were boiling 254 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,320 under the covers for a long time. 255 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,680 So now I think it stands at the 10th highest grossing film, 256 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:26,400 which is still a pretty big thing. 257 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,320 But it was also highly controversial. 258 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,520 So there was a whole hashtag boycott PK 259 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,320 that came out when the movie was newly released. 260 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,080 But in opposition to that, there was also 261 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,120 a hashtag for We Support PK. 262 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,400 So you kind of really saw two sects of Indian society 263 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,680 butting heads to some degree. 264 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,400 But I think this movie also made its way out of India 265 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,080 a little bit into Western audiences, in my opinion. 266 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,440 And yeah, I was very impressed by it. 267 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,200 I feel like when you guys are watching it, 268 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,040 you're a little bit like, what did we get ourselves into? 269 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,280 I mean, it certainly opened my eyes 270 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,080 with how there's a lot of religions in the movie 271 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,760 and how I think the central theme, one 272 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,560 of the central themes anyway of the movie, 273 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:10,840 is that you did mention it, Winnie. 274 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:16,520 You said that religion divides us all, basically. 275 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,440 I absolutely went in not knowing anything 276 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,040 about how religion is like in India. 277 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,720 But I do see some parallels with Thailand here and there. 278 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,280 I do think it's a, like you said, 279 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,280 the movie is essentially a religious satire. 280 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:39,480 And yeah, it's like a movie that shows you, 281 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,880 it questions what idolatry is like. 282 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,960 It's like blind devotion and believing 283 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,400 in whatever this religious figure does. 284 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,280 I think Healy has touched upon that, a lot of gurus 285 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,800 and everything. 286 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,040 I think there is one particular religious leader 287 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,360 that I can think of right now that is coming to Thailand 288 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,840 later this month at the time of recording. 289 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:07,800 Shall we say his name? 290 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,400 It's Sadguru. 291 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,880 He's like this guy. 292 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,040 Who sends feed pics now, right now? 293 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,040 He has feed pics in all his fans. 294 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:15,880 Oh my gosh. 295 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:16,560 Wait, what? 296 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,880 Yeah, he has feed pics. 297 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,840 He sends feed pics to who? 298 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:21,720 To his devotees. 299 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:22,920 To his devotees, yes. 300 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,360 He has a massive following. 301 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,160 And he has like, 302 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,240 No, no, for money. 303 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:27,160 Not for fun. 304 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,520 So the followers pay him for feed pics? 305 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,240 No, no, it's so, so touching the feed as a reverence 306 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,000 is a thing for Indians, right? 307 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,120 So like Hindus. 308 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,160 And so, yeah, he's just selling feed pics. 309 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,640 Well, the way you say it, it doesn't sound like an OnlyFans thing. 310 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,320 Is he selling, so he's selling pictures of his feed 311 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,920 so like people can kiss it or what? 312 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,640 No, like do the salute thing. 313 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:56,680 To the photo. 314 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:57,320 To the photo, yeah. 315 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:58,320 Yeah, OK. 316 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,080 Yeah. 317 00:11:59,080 --> 00:11:59,880 That's nice. 318 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:00,920 Have you heard of Sadguru? 319 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,200 No, I haven't. 320 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Oh, yeah. 321 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:03,800 He's like this guy. 322 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:04,640 Tell me about it. 323 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,840 Well, nobody knows what you're pointing at when you say this guy, Killy. 324 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,600 They can't see that we're watching the movie. 325 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,120 The film that we're going to talk about, the villain in that film. 326 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,000 Yeah. 327 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,560 How is that? 328 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,200 No, I want to ask how the film was received in India. 329 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,320 Because, yeah. 330 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,000 So it was really appreciated. 331 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,800 It was really a super duper hit. 332 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:30,480 So what I would say is India is known for its religious, 333 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:35,640 like, you know, spirituality and the religious point of views, 334 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,920 different religions and then everything, right? 335 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:50,600 But also, it has a very strong history of atheism, agnostism, 336 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,800 and religious commentary. 337 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,640 Jainism. 338 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,800 So the Jainism is a religion. 339 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,200 Yeah. 340 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,680 Also, Buddhism is from India, right? 341 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:01,560 Buddhism is like agnostic religion. 342 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:05,920 It doesn't say whether there is a god or not. 343 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,240 It doesn't matter, right? 344 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:13,440 So yeah, so and then there have been artists 345 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,200 and there have been films, there have been books 346 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,600 that has been commenting on the religious business, 347 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,480 like the business aspect of religion 348 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,040 and the whole these spiritual guru, babaji's kind of thing, 349 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,800 their scams and everything. 350 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,400 They have been talking for a long time. 351 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,960 There have been many films, many literature and stuff like that. 352 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,520 And it was well accepted. 353 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,840 There used to be a lot of comedy involving gods, 354 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,040 like the Hindu gods. 355 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,800 Like I remember one film where like this guy is, 356 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,280 it's a Bengali film, Jamalai Jeevanta Manus, 357 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:53,880 where a guy just like the Yamaraji is the like the lord 358 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,080 of the afterlife and then he decides like where you are going 359 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,000 to the hell or heaven, right? 360 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:07,200 So his worker, like his minions just brings in a live guy 361 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,040 by mistake and then he just creates chaos. 362 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,880 Like he's commenting on every aspect 363 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,760 in the like how they are treating the system, 364 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,880 like their system is rotten and everything. 365 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,000 They're like, oh, I'll go back to the art 366 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,440 and tell all the newspapers and then like to like reveal all 367 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,000 your scams, you all up here doing scams and stuff like that. 368 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,360 And they're like, no, no, no, no, don't go. 369 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,360 It's our fault. It's our fault. 370 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,320 It's a huge commentary. 371 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,920 Like there used to be a lot of things. 372 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,280 But then with the rise of right-wing Hindutva politics 373 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:42,840 in India, there has been like a, you know, 374 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,560 prohibition of saying, like commenting on religion. 375 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:52,080 So PK came out at the peak of when these religious extremist 376 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,360 people are getting into the power. 377 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,960 OK, so that point of time, PK was released. 378 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:05,080 So the environment, the whole situation was getting dire. 379 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,520 The society was getting pretty polarized. 380 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,440 You cannot criticize things. 381 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,320 If you criticize one thing, you are like whole anti, 382 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,080 like, you know, you're given a stamp of like anti India, 383 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,200 anti Hindu and all this kind of thing. 384 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,240 So that's why. 385 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,120 And they always bring up this analogy that, oh, 386 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:29,080 you can talk about Hindu gods because we are quiet. 387 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,720 You cannot say anything about Muslims and that. 388 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,040 While Bollywood has been making films forever 389 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,160 where the terrorists are Muslim and then like, 390 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,080 you know, Muslim villains say every time, 391 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,480 like they're doing jihad or whatever or whatnot. 392 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,120 Shit. 393 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,440 They have been doing films forever with that. 394 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:50,920 And then one film criticizing Hindu religious business models. 395 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,640 And then like people go cray cray that, oh, 396 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,920 you're doing this, that, that, that, that. 397 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,360 I mean, this kind of these fringe groups 398 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,520 were active for a long time, but they were fringe groups. 399 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,400 Now they have like, you know, they are under one umbrella. 400 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,280 Like, you know, they are more like how do you call it? 401 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,000 Like more organized. 402 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,880 And yeah, so it created a huge ruckus, this film, 403 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:26,520 because it does a commentary on how the fraud star scams 404 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,920 people in the name of religion. 405 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,080 It's not anti-god. 406 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:34,840 I don't see any, any, any like criticism of God itself 407 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,040 or any criticism on the religion itself. 408 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,800 It's like, OK, the religion is true, but you are doing it wrong. 409 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:41,880 You are scamming people. 410 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,200 That's what this film is kind of saying. 411 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,720 So before we get into the movie a bit, though, 412 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,200 I think we should take the time to explain like our backgrounds 413 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,960 a bit about where we come from religiously so people know 414 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,080 where we're coming from. 415 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,800 Because we all come from different angles, I think. 416 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:58,280 Yeah. 417 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,840 And just so, yeah, to give background, 418 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,880 like the movie does tackle like, yeah, it's 419 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:09,560 like when he said like an alien comes and kind of observes 420 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,560 social norms and religion and pokes holes in it 421 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,760 and, you know, has, you know, questions about it. 422 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,840 And before we continue, I think we should just 423 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,440 say where we're coming from, too. 424 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:20,840 Yeah, actually, I didn't realize, 425 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,920 but we actually do come from all different religious 426 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:23,520 backgrounds. 427 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,680 There's four of us and four different religions here. 428 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:26,680 Nikki, what's yours? 429 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,960 That's true. 430 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,200 Well, I come from a very Buddhist family. 431 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,720 I mean, my parents used to, you know, let me make, 432 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:40,280 I wouldn't say force, but let me do like Buddhist traditions 433 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,480 where like, you know, we make alms to monks, 434 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,040 give them food. 435 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,880 So I guess I'll want to get into it. 436 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,320 Like, you know, Thai people usually 437 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,720 follow the Theravada Buddhism, which 438 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,000 is like the main religion. 439 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:02,560 It focuses more on rituals, people going to temples, 440 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,240 making merits on religious holidays. 441 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,280 And like I said, the thing that I used to do a lot 442 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,800 was offering alms to monks in the morning, early morning. 443 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:14,880 I didn't want to be there. 444 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,720 But you know, it's that we make merits 445 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,440 so you can get close to what we call nirvana. 446 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,960 And you know, reaching perfection, I would say. 447 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,680 Building up credit, accumulating purity, 448 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,480 that is a thing that people believe in. 449 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,960 Did you go to temple a lot? 450 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,080 I did go to temple when I was a child a lot. 451 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,360 My parents would, again, I don't want to say force, 452 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:42,720 but they just want to like lead me to a path of purity. 453 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,600 You know, you're buying, I don't want to say it like that, 454 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,240 but like you're just, you know, you're 455 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,360 making your way to like heaven, I guess. 456 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:53,840 So now that you're an adult, do you still do those things? 457 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,320 Or do you consider yourself religious? 458 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,440 Not at all. 459 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,240 I would consider myself, I used to say I was agnostic, 460 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,400 but I feel like I'm leaning more towards like an atheism sort 461 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:04,960 of way. 462 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,800 My parents don't have a problem with that. 463 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,040 My mom is actually Catholic, but she follows Buddhism 464 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,920 because of my dad, just the way it is. 465 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,360 We don't really do religious traditions like nowadays, 466 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:23,400 but back then we used to do a lot. 467 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,120 I guess another aspect that I want to touch upon for Thai 468 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:30,320 people is that it's not just, it's not necessarily Buddhism, 469 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:35,160 but people like in the movie PK, when I was watching PK, 470 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,080 one of the things that really like stuck out to me 471 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,000 was that people worship idolatry. 472 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:47,080 Like, you know, people want icons, have icons, something 473 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:52,360 to worship, just so that they can offer their things, 474 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:55,200 like offer things, worldly desires, 475 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,880 like just to attain worldly desires, 476 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,480 just so that it could become true. 477 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,680 Like say, for example, like getting promotions, 478 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,440 or like lending, having prosperity in your businesses, 479 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,720 or even more simple things, getting love. 480 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:12,480 They do that. 481 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,800 I think they do that. 482 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,880 Now, don't quote me on this. 483 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,600 I'm not an expert, but they do that 484 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,320 to just have a sense of reassurance, I would say. 485 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,480 Reassurance or confidence that you're talking 486 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,840 to some sort of higher being, unseen universal power 487 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,880 or something like that, just so that if they can hear you out, 488 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,360 your wish might come true. 489 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,560 And I think there is, in a way, PK kind of shows that. 490 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,880 I think I see some sort of that. 491 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,160 People follow these religious figures. 492 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,560 Like this, I would say, the antagonist of the movie 493 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,440 is like his holiness, right? 494 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,480 People are blindly following him, following him. 495 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,440 And he's giving instructions to all the people on what to do, 496 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,000 just because it's the right thing to do. 497 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,640 Say, for example, he's telling one of our main characters, 498 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,560 one of the main characters in the movie, Jaggu, that, oh, 499 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,440 you can't be with this Pakistani dude. 500 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,320 It just isn't the right thing to do. 501 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,840 And he's like, I know so, because there 502 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,960 is a lot of bad blood historically. 503 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,640 And I guess we'll get into that later. 504 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,360 But yeah, stuff like that. 505 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,400 I think what I like about PK is that I didn't realize 506 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,000 there was a lot of parallels. 507 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,640 You could call me ignorant or whatever. 508 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,040 With Hinduism and Buddhism? 509 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,600 Yeah, just following. 510 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,320 I mean, Buddhism is derived. 511 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,600 No. 512 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,520 That's undebatable. 513 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:39,000 But that's a very common thread in subcontinental religions 514 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:39,520 as well. 515 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,080 There are even Muslim sects that do those kind of things. 516 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,920 And they're sometimes looked down upon as an idol worshiper 517 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,080 and things like that. 518 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,360 So it's a very common thread. 519 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:51,560 Same with Christianity. 520 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:56,080 We've got prosperity gospel and big icons and stuff. 521 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,240 I think, yeah, that's a very common thread. 522 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,520 But, Nikki, what you said about how 523 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,400 people do all these prayers and giving alms mainly 524 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,880 so that they can get prosperity in business or find love. 525 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,240 I feel like that kind of shows the selfish angle 526 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,200 towards our prayers sometimes. 527 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,040 I think PK also does a good job at dissecting that. 528 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,280 Kind of shows that a lot of people 529 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,640 gain from the selfishness of religion 530 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,040 when it's supposed to be kind of a selfless act. 531 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:18,520 Yeah. 532 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,880 So yeah, it's an interesting thing. 533 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,400 Yeah. 534 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,400 I'm glad I'm not doing that. 535 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,960 Otherwise, I wouldn't be on this podcast. 536 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,160 You would be in a temple being a monk. 537 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:29,660 Yeah. 538 00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:30,560 And meditating 10 times. 539 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,440 He would have so much money that he would just 540 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,440 sleep and play games and not need any money. 541 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,240 His dream. 542 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,040 So I'm sorry, Nikki. 543 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,240 You should have done the other thing, then, 544 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,720 because you could have been a lot happier. 545 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,200 I could have been a Tekken champion. 546 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:40,700 Yeah. 547 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:41,200 Yeah. 548 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,400 It's play Tekken 24-7, man. 549 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,960 Kaley, what's your background? 550 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:46,600 OK, yeah. 551 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,360 So I grew up in a very religious and pious Hindu family. 552 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:55,840 So we have a temple in our top floor 553 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:03,000 where there is a statue of Radhakrishna, two gods. 554 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,240 So we had puja every day and stuff like that. 555 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:14,560 So most of my family members are very religious in that sense, 556 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:19,360 in a god-loving way. 557 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:23,360 I didn't grow up in a family where the Hindu religion is 558 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:29,520 so multicultural and the huge spectrum also. 559 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:37,680 So it's like I grew up mostly towards in a god-loving way, 560 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,320 not much rituals on like strict rituals on regimes, 561 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,640 on food and this and that. 562 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,840 So those things were there. 563 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,980 But then I gradually become agnostic 564 00:23:48,980 --> 00:23:56,880 when I was around 11, 12 years old. 565 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,320 I started questioning. 566 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,800 I think it's just that natural way of growing up. 567 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,600 And then that time, I just started questioning things 568 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,520 of existence of god and da, da, da, da, da. 569 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,680 That's a pretty young age to start questioning things, 570 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,280 I'd say. 571 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,240 And then. 572 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,520 Yeah, what made you question that? 573 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,840 Your family was all super religious, though, right? 574 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,480 Yeah, where are they? 575 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,440 Where are the gods? 576 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,280 Like I'm learning science. 577 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,480 Where are the gods? 578 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,320 Where are they? 579 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,680 How are they controlling things? 580 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,240 But these are historical characters, right? 581 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,400 Not history, what I'm saying. 582 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,160 These are like mythological characters. 583 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,640 So they are like incarnation of things. 584 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,560 And they are the representation of things 585 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,040 according to the religion and stuff like that. 586 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,880 So then I was learning that. 587 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:51,840 And then I was like, OK, so is there maybe a higher power? 588 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,920 So I don't necessarily need to worship it in this form. 589 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:56,880 I can do whatever. 590 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,280 I can just, if there is one god or multiple gods. 591 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,360 So these kind of questions. 592 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:04,160 So I kind of became agnostic. 593 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:10,640 I kind of stopped believing in the ritual, like puja rituals, 594 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,120 like fasting before you do the puja. 595 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:17,040 Family know? 596 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,040 That I was growing agnostic. 597 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,920 I would say things that I think they would understand 598 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,240 that I'm questioning things. 599 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,400 But they're like, OK, he's just growing up. 600 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,600 He'll just be whatever. 601 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,360 They're not super forceful about things. 602 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,000 And then there was a phase. 603 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:39,320 I kind of became like affinate. 604 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,280 I kind of became theist again. 605 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,640 I started believing in God and believing 606 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,240 that the religious has its position, 607 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,080 and it's an identity, and this, this, and that. 608 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,680 This does good things in life. 609 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,560 And da, da, da, da. 610 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,520 There's a tradition. 611 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,760 There's a reason for tradition. 612 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,960 All these traditionalists. 613 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,280 So there was a phase, like a small phase. 614 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,720 And right after that, I became, from right then, atheist. 615 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,840 And then I was still an atheist. 616 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:14,400 Wait, what? 617 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,160 That's a big job. 618 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,080 Why? 619 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:23,280 Because that rabbit hole kind of took me 620 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:29,760 to the people who are ultra Hindu to a gang. 621 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,280 So it's just that from there, it opens up 622 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,240 my eyes towards this culture and then this. 623 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,520 And then I was like, OK, then I kind of 624 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,720 traveled through a different spectrum 625 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,960 and then kind of became atheist at the end. 626 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,960 So we have two atheists in the room now. 627 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,680 Yeah. 628 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:51,480 Two out of four. 629 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,080 I wonder if that's a recurring thing. 630 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,400 Weird journey, and we all end up in the same place. 631 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,000 How we ended up as atheists. 632 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,640 Let's see if you're going to be at 100% 633 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,960 atheist right at the end of this. 634 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,080 Way to Europe. 635 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,680 So I grew up Sikh and Punjabi, which 636 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,040 I think is the largest diaspora of Indians outside of India. 637 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,200 And Sikhism, I don't want to get into the history of it, 638 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,240 but I would say to really simplify it, 639 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,400 was founded by Guru Nanak. 640 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,800 And it was almost during a time when 641 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,840 there was a lot of tension between Islam and Hinduism. 642 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,640 And it was kind of like this middle ground. 643 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,720 So it really derived from philosophical roots 644 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,440 of trying to understand both religions 645 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,800 and maybe picking and choosing what they wanted out of these. 646 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,240 And then forming its own belief. 647 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,040 So now we have one god. 648 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,120 There's no idol worshiping like there is in Hinduism. 649 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,840 And we just have 10 gurus who kind of pass 650 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,040 on the teachings of this one god who is never named. 651 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,760 So I grew up in a semi-religious family, I'd say. 652 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,040 We did grow up saying prayers every morning and night. 653 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,240 And I would cite this phrase, the Ardas, in Punjabi. 654 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,200 And I had no idea what it means, because I don't speak Punjabi. 655 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,120 So I would just say it. 656 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:01,800 I knew how to say that phrase, but not 657 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,040 knowing anything about it. 658 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,600 And we'd go to the temple maybe like every Sunday 659 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,440 or every other Sunday. 660 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,120 But one stark reminder I have of religion growing up 661 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,280 was this emphasis on cutting hair. 662 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,640 So in Sikhism, you're not supposed 663 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,920 to cut your hair at all. 664 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:16,840 There's like five rules. 665 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,760 And one of them is that you can't cut your hair. 666 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,960 And that was so shoved down our throats. 667 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,320 And we're not growing up in India. 668 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,160 So the men had turbans. 669 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,320 Girls had really long hair. 670 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,860 The guys would get bullied a lot in school 671 00:28:26,860 --> 00:28:28,640 because they looked so different. 672 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,040 They'd be called like Salapao, which is like dumpling. 673 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:31,720 Yeah. 674 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,160 I get that in my school with my Sikh friends. 675 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,840 They always get teased with Salapao, 676 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,320 because they're the little turban thing. 677 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:39,800 Yeah, exactly. 678 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,840 They look like a dumpling, basically. 679 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,880 So I feel like that was really emphasized upon. 680 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,440 And that made me turn my head against it a little bit, 681 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,840 where I was like, why is this? 682 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,440 But I came from a very liberal family 683 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,280 in the sense that my mom let me cut my hair when 684 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,120 I was rather young. 685 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,600 So I didn't have to wait till much older, which 686 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,760 is usually the case. 687 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,960 And I didn't really understand it. 688 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,600 When I was 15 or 16, I think I decided I was agnostic. 689 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,640 I used to go to the temple not understanding what 690 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,200 the prayers were saying, nothing. 691 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,040 But I still wanted to believe in this higher power or something. 692 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,120 And at some point, I just was like, yeah, I actually 693 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,640 don't know if anything exists. 694 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,560 So I'll just consider myself agnostic. 695 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,760 And I went to the States, and I decided that I was an atheist. 696 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,040 So all of a sudden, I was like, I have no, 697 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,240 none of this exists. 698 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,600 Why? 699 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,320 Maybe just kind of also being in an environment 700 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,920 where atheism was more prevalent. 701 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,680 I was in a very liberal university, 702 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,080 and people were not very traditional or cultural. 703 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,120 So there was just this kind of like, yeah, 704 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,120 I can't really pinpoint why. 705 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,840 But at some point, you just start believing 706 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,400 that this doesn't exist. 707 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,840 And there's also that rebellious kind of attitude 708 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,120 that you have, I guess, when you are growing up, 709 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,720 this adult, young youth to becoming adult kind of phase 710 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,720 where you start questioning a lot of things, 711 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,120 and you realize, yeah, you didn't really 712 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,320 have to uphold these beliefs. 713 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,080 These were just forced upon you, for lack of better word. 714 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,200 So I turned into atheism for a few years. 715 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,680 And I think later on, into my young adulthood years, 716 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,960 I became more spiritual. 717 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,480 I went to meditation retreats and Buddhist temples. 718 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,320 I got into yoga and all these hippie things, 719 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,120 for lack of better word. 720 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:20,240 I was going to ask you, with growing up in Thailand, 721 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,680 how did you intermingle with Buddhist people, 722 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,880 and how did that influence anything? 723 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,320 I would not say it was a big deal, 724 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,400 because Sikhism by itself is not a very harsh religion. 725 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,080 And I'll talk about this later also. 726 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,920 But I think a lot of its beliefs are rather 727 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,960 very based upon equality and justice, equality of sexes. 728 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,160 It tried to do away with a lot of the cultural practices 729 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,360 that were being done under Hinduism practices, 730 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,480 like Sati, where the woman has to jump to the fire 731 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,920 and burn herself along with her husband. 732 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,800 Yes, there's a practice called Sati in India, 733 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:58,080 rooted in Hindu practices, where when the husband dies, 734 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,960 the wife has to also burn, throw herself into the flames 735 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,760 and die along with him, because there was no more point 736 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,920 of her living if her husband died. 737 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,920 But if she dies, he gets another wife? 738 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,920 Yeah, he can get another wife. 739 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,200 That's cool. 740 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,640 So Sikhism really did away with all this. 741 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,600 They really tried to emphasize equality between sexes, 742 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,760 equality between classes. 743 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,440 We have this concept of langar, where 744 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,320 you go to the gurdwara, which is our temple, 745 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,240 and everyone sits on the floor and eat food. 746 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,920 The food is free, and it doesn't matter 747 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,080 if you're rich or you're poor. 748 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,320 You're just going to sit next to each other on the floor. 749 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,640 So there's this very strong emphasis on equality 750 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,440 in that perspective, which I didn't realize when I was young, 751 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,920 because all I knew about Sikhism when I was young 752 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,720 was, don't cut your hair. 753 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,920 Don't cut your hair. 754 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,920 And I had learned that much. 755 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,120 You were really fixated on the hair thing. 756 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,920 It was the only thing that was emphasized. 757 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,080 She wanted to cut her hair. 758 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:44,520 Why? 759 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,240 Why was that the thing your family cared so much about? 760 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,000 That was Italian society. 761 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,680 It was just very much focused on that. 762 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,960 I don't know why. 763 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,640 So I have a question about that, though. 764 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,040 Can you trim? 765 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,000 You're not supposed to. 766 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,360 Men are not supposed to shave their beards. 767 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:58,920 Ever. 768 00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,440 Ever. 769 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,360 You cannot trim anything. 770 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,600 No, we're not supposed to. 771 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,120 OK, so again, this is interesting, 772 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,680 because this practice actually came about when, I think, 773 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,840 Guru Gobind Singh was a guru. 774 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,080 He's the last guru, and there was a war going on. 775 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,080 So he kind of told Sikhs to do this, 776 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,520 so that they would be identifiable during war, 777 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,560 that people would know that you're Sikh, you're Hindu, 778 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,720 you're Hindu. 779 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,920 But I shouldn't say this, because I 780 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,040 don't know enough about it. 781 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,520 But I don't know what was meant to carry on like this. 782 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,000 But it was. 783 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,400 So I mean, does everyone have gigantic 80s bush and stuff? 784 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,880 Well, you see the men with turbans, 785 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,200 which is another annoying thing, because most Westerners 786 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,640 see men with turbans and think that they're Muslims. 787 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,800 But it's actually a Sikh practice. 788 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,560 I have a friend. 789 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,560 He has a turban. 790 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,480 And in high school, when we're going on field trips, 791 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,640 when we're staying over during the night drinking, 792 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,040 sometimes he would just take off his turban 793 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,600 and then unfurl his long ass hair. 794 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,920 And then he would spin it around and say, helicopter. 795 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,000 We call it the helicopter in my brother's incident. 796 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,640 Everyone does that. 797 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,200 But I always think it's funny. 798 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,120 It's like an act of defiance or something. 799 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,640 I think it's so hilarious. 800 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,360 So my uncles would be bald pretty much. 801 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,800 They have a huge balding spot. 802 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,520 And they take off their turbans, and there 803 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,480 would be nothing under there. 804 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,120 The weather in Thailand is like 30, 40 degrees Celsius. 805 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:21,960 It's really hot. 806 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,720 Wait, so there's people with fake turbans 807 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,080 with nothing in there and stuff? 808 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,760 It's a real turban, but they have no hair. 809 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,640 It's all falling out. 810 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,080 But they still got to cover their heads. 811 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,600 It's like a thing. 812 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,320 Are you not allowed to trim body hair or eyebrows? 813 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,080 I don't know about body hair, to be honest. 814 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,360 I'm guessing not. 815 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,160 I don't know. 816 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:45,280 I'm just asking, do they have huge 80s bush and stuff? 817 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,440 Is that frowned upon? 818 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,000 I don't know. 819 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000 I have no idea. 820 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:49,840 OK, OK. 821 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,880 But I think for the most part, Indian women 822 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,840 do have to thread our eyebrows and stuff, 823 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,160 or else we'd have uni brows. 824 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,920 So I think that is OK. 825 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,480 But men do not shave their beards, 826 00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,960 and we do not cut the hair on our heads. 827 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,880 Do men have uni brows? 828 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:02,760 Yes, a lot of them do. 829 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,960 We are very, very hairy creatures. 830 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:11,760 Yeah, so coming back to Sikhism from like, 831 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,640 so most of the religious movement 832 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,920 that happened from Hinduism, they 833 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,840 were addressing the caste issue a lot. 834 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:26,560 So like, if in the ancient times, Buddhism was 835 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,120 like challenging caste system, then Sikhism, 836 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,320 when you say like, all people are equal, right? 837 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,400 They all men are equal. 838 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,680 So it's also kind of like it was challenging the caste system. 839 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,800 And yeah, caste is like a definitive reality 840 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,800 of Indian subcontinental society. 841 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:53,400 It kind of seeps in to other religion as well in social way. 842 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:59,640 But yeah, Sikhism was defying the caste system a lot 843 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,320 at its inception. 844 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,040 Yeah, I really think I understood 845 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,680 the essence of Sikhism maybe just two or three years ago. 846 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,480 And as I was reading about it, I was like, oh, this actually 847 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,760 does align with my beliefs. 848 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,400 It was not like the beliefs was formed by the religion 849 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:12,960 in any way. 850 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,000 It's just my natural beliefs. 851 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,760 And somehow, I think I gained more respect 852 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,840 for it later on. 853 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,440 I think a lot of practices have been 854 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,840 influenced by culture in India. 855 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,520 So I don't know how it's truly practiced in India. 856 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,240 I think there's still a lot of misogyny and patriarchy 857 00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:26,840 that goes into Sikh families. 858 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,400 But in essence, it really has all things to say. 859 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,880 It also is rooted in pantheism. 860 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,400 So this idea of like, God is universal. 861 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,440 There's God in everyone. 862 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,240 So you should not disrespect anyone or else. 863 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,240 You're disrespecting a part of yourself, 864 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:40,960 a part of a holy being. 865 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,040 So I appreciate the religion. 866 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,920 I don't know if I'd call myself a Sikh, 867 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,800 but I would definitely say I'm more spiritual now. 868 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,080 I believe in something. 869 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,080 I don't know what it is. 870 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,400 I don't like religions at all. 871 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,760 I think it's just a way to divide people. 872 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,680 But yeah, I believe in higher power, karma, things like that, 873 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,920 but from a very spiritual perspective. 874 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,080 Do you dabble in Buddhism too? 875 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,040 Buddhism, I have read a few books. 876 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,080 I went to a meditation retreat in Buddhist temple. 877 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,960 So I appreciate that it's very focused on your inner self. 878 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,560 I don't like when religions try to control other people 879 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,480 or try to say you got to do x, y, z in order 880 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,320 to qualify in being religious and going to heaven. 881 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,840 I think Buddhism really takes a different stance in the sense 882 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,960 that it's more from a philosophical, 883 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,280 psychological perspective. 884 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,200 It's kind of like you need to work on yourself. 885 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:28,760 You meditate. 886 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,880 You let go of attachments. 887 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,960 Arunoy of Nirvana is very achievable. 888 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,440 I wouldn't do a monkhood lifestyle, 889 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680 but I really admire that it has this perspective 890 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,840 on self-improvement rather than trying to improve other people. 891 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,600 I'm all about self-improvement, but I'm so rooted in materialism. 892 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,840 Which is very anti-Buddhist. 893 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:47,720 Well, there you go. 894 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,320 Three out of four atheists. 895 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,040 Adam? 896 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,000 Adam, you're the last one. 897 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,600 I'm a Janus. 898 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,240 So guys, I'm not no. 899 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,200 So I grew up, yes, I'm American. 900 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,040 And I grew up in a very religious family, 901 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,280 but non-denominational. 902 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,480 So it's not like any of the interesting, weird Catholic 903 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,480 quirks or anything. 904 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,040 So it's like a non-denominational church growing up, Christian. 905 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,480 But it was super, super Christian. 906 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,920 I went to church camp. 907 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,160 I went to a private Lutheran school growing up. 908 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,480 Honestly, for real, I literally didn't 909 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,840 know that non-Christians existed until I was like 13 or 14 910 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,120 when I went to public high school. 911 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,600 I literally just didn't know there 912 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,760 were people that didn't believe the exact same thing as me, 913 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,160 because I just never met them. 914 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,000 So my whole world was like that. 915 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:42,360 I also wasn't allowed to watch TV growing up and stuff. 916 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,120 So we only had religious VHS tapes and stuff. 917 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,440 I was very sheltered. 918 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,880 You guys are not taught about the other religions in schools? 919 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,400 I went to a private Lutheran school. 920 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:58,320 I went to church camp, Lutheran school, church friends. 921 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,440 I did not know anyone that wasn't Christian. 922 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,200 But getting to watch only Christian shows 923 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,120 sounds a bit cultish. 924 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:04,680 In history? 925 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,760 Yeah. 926 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,560 History? 927 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,960 Well, I mean, what do you mean? 928 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,640 Oh, OK, no, my first lesson of religion was from history. 929 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,760 It's all through the lens of Christianity, though. 930 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,680 The guy was a non-believer, whatever. 931 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,000 OK. 932 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,240 Yeah, no matter what, there is a through line of, 933 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:32,280 now Christianity exists in this time period. 934 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,120 And so everyone else was just not believing. 935 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,240 I had books that I read growing up 936 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,600 on the bookshelf of Adam and Eve riding dinosaurs 937 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,640 in the Garden of Eden. 938 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,640 Because it was hardcore, the world is not over 5,000 years 939 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:49,280 old and stuff. 940 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,360 So it's like Adam on a dinosaur and stuff. 941 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,920 That's what I grew up with and stuff. 942 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,480 And yeah, it wasn't cultish, but I just 943 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,880 wasn't exposed to a lot of outside things. 944 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,600 So movies and entertainment and stuff, 945 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,720 no, it was Christian music for the most part 946 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:09,360 and Christian movies and stuff. 947 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,800 So I just didn't have much exposure to anything else 948 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,240 until I went to public school. 949 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,080 And then I met someone that wasn't religious, 950 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,840 and it completely shattered my entire world. 951 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,760 It completely broke everything. 952 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,400 And when I knew that it could be an option, 953 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,880 and not just the default thing, everything unraveled. 954 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,760 But I will say this. 955 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,160 I did read the Bible a ton growing up as a kid. 956 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:46,000 And it made me, I think, very leftist. 957 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,360 I would say I agree with everything Jesus says. 958 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,400 I think what he was saying was very good. 959 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,760 And that put me on the outs with the church for the most part. 960 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,880 When I was growing up, Bush was president and stuff. 961 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:04,440 It was very conservative, right, neoconchristian stuff. 962 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,240 And just because I had read the Bible a lot growing up, 963 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,400 I just already kind of disagreed with them. 964 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,680 I didn't believe that you should not help poor people 965 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,960 or not give them health care. 966 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,800 I just literally went against what 967 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,520 I was reading in the Bible. 968 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,080 So yeah, I was just like this. 969 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,000 So I was already distanced from the church a bit. 970 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,880 But then when I realized it was a choice, I don't know. 971 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,240 Then I read about the history of the church 972 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,480 and the history of the Bible. 973 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,240 And I just started getting very into the history of it. 974 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:39,560 And I was like, the Bible is kind of made by committee. 975 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,880 And I don't really agree with that. 976 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,960 I will say the one big flaw of Christianity, 977 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,880 I think, is that Jesus didn't write his own thing. 978 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:48,720 Yeah. 979 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:52,560 I mean, for real, if you're going to have a religion, 980 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,560 I think you should write the text, I feel, 981 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,600 about what you believe in. 982 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,280 Otherwise, guess what happens? 983 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,400 A bunch of other people could just misinterpret it. 984 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,920 People has written, but it gets misinterpreted anyway. 985 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:05,400 Sure. 986 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,000 No, I get it. 987 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,040 But I will say the one thing for Islam 988 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,880 is that at least there's a primary source material, 989 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,200 right? 990 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,480 I do think Christianity lacks a bit. 991 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480 But anyways, I thought Jesus was fine. 992 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,560 But yeah, I did take those political beliefs. 993 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,560 But I just drift away from the church. 994 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:32,600 And then, yeah, I'm atheist now. 995 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,520 Yeah, I'm not spiritual. 996 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,600 I wouldn't say I'm spiritual. 997 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,080 But I don't have, but I am not against it at all. 998 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,400 I have no hard feelings or anything. 999 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,280 The church wasn't wrong to me or anything. 1000 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,920 So I don't have a chip on my shoulder. 1001 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,920 I think there's some very good Christians. 1002 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,960 I think there's some very, very bad ones as well. 1003 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,320 But yeah, I know the purpose of religion. 1004 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,480 I think it can be very good for some people. 1005 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,200 And I think the community is very nice. 1006 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,560 But if it turns nasty or it turns into a thing 1007 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,480 where people hate themselves because of it, 1008 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,040 I don't really agree with that. 1009 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,400 Yeah, but otherwise, yeah. 1010 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,560 So look, here we go. 1011 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,720 4 out of 4. 1012 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,640 4 out of 4 atheists. 1013 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,400 What up? 1014 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,880 This is amazing. 1015 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:15,800 Wow, incredible. 1016 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,080 Weird that we get along. 1017 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,240 And just like a Bollywood movie, that was our flashback. 1018 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,280 And now we're just about to get into the podcast. 1019 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,480 Yeah, so we're like an hour into the podcast. 1020 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,000 Yeah, and then now we are starting the real story. 1021 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,640 So PK. 1022 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,920 PK, like many Hindi films, it's not in English 1023 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,800 and requires subtitles for the average viewer. 1024 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,280 Yeah. 1025 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,640 So what happens? 1026 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,440 How does it start? 1027 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,040 Sorry, yeah. 1028 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:51,400 So it begins with like, I don't think I'd see Amir Khan again. 1029 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,560 I've seen him as he was in Three Idiots, which is something 1030 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,160 that most people have seen. 1031 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:05,240 But I feel like in this movie, he plays an alien. 1032 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:06,680 I feel like he plays an alien. 1033 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,440 He is an alien. 1034 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,760 He is an alien, but he looks like an Indian. 1035 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,000 So I will say this. 1036 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,200 So I've never seen this actor before. 1037 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,280 And at least in this movie, guys, 1038 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,120 he looks like Tom Hanks doing a Mr. Bean impersonation. 1039 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,880 Like a Forrest Gump or Rain Man, like the eccentric character 1040 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,560 that people play. 1041 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,320 Later he ends up doing a Forrest Gump remake. 1042 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,320 Yeah, but that's it? 1043 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,920 Oh my fucking God, I don't realize that. 1044 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,160 He looks like Tom Hanks. 1045 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,600 And in this movie, it was like Tom Hanks 1046 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,400 is trying to be Mr. Bean. 1047 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,400 Like that makes so much sense if he's in the Forrest Gump. 1048 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,800 He looks like Tom Hanks. 1049 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,320 Yeah. 1050 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,320 All right. 1051 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,480 But yeah, he's like this alien. 1052 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,280 And I don't remember why he landed on Rajasthan. 1053 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,240 Just a research project. 1054 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,600 Particularly Rajasthan. 1055 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,760 Looking all jacked up. 1056 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,600 Traveler. 1057 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,880 Oh yeah, this is the one thing. 1058 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,160 So how old is this actor? 1059 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,840 50-something? 1060 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,640 Yeah, I think so. 1061 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,400 He is ripped. 1062 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,880 It makes no sense. 1063 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,320 It might be a CGI body. 1064 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,960 We're looking into it. 1065 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,600 So yeah, he looks very jacked up. 1066 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,040 One thing I want to add is he doesn't blink. 1067 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,760 I would say, OK, did you notice that or did you read that later? 1068 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,960 No, I noticed that. 1069 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,480 Me too. 1070 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,000 He just doesn't blink. 1071 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000 I just noticed that. 1072 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,160 I feel like, don't you get bloodshot eyes while filming? 1073 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,000 And his eyes are always open wide. 1074 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,240 Wide. 1075 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,960 I feel like his eyes would be watering right there. 1076 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,720 I picked that up. 1077 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,280 It's incredible. 1078 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,240 Haley Joel Osmond does that when he filmed AI, 1079 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:47,840 the movie where he's like the little robot. 1080 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:48,600 And he didn't blink. 1081 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,120 And that was incredible too. 1082 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,280 But this is like super long takes. 1083 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,880 Yeah, and his eyes are super wide. 1084 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,960 And he doesn't blink. 1085 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:56,880 I don't know how he does that. 1086 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,680 That's incredible. 1087 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,200 That's crazy. 1088 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,320 He was so highly praised for his acting in this film. 1089 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,400 But Killy didn't like his acting in this film. 1090 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,600 No, I liked his acting. 1091 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,320 When I was a kid, he was my favorite actor. 1092 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,040 And then so what happens is he started 1093 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,280 doing some goofy characters. 1094 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,920 And I felt like he was just doing the same character again 1095 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:21,440 and again. 1096 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,120 So that's why I kind of felt like, oh, yet another Amir Khan 1097 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,680 being goofy. 1098 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,320 So that was my take that point, being snobbish a bit. 1099 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,040 But when I rewatched this film, I really 1100 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,600 liked this film more than when I first time watched it. 1101 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,920 It's a very kid-friendly film, I would say. 1102 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,560 It's a very, the what? 1103 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,680 I mean, it just totally questions 1104 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,400 the complete concept of religion. 1105 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,920 But I guess it's a kid-friendly film. 1106 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,920 But it does it in a very humorous, simple way. 1107 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,600 Yeah, it's a very simplistic take on the nuances. 1108 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,800 It's very straightened up, down. 1109 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,480 It is like if Teletubbies question the pope. 1110 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,880 And they're all freaking out. 1111 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:03,920 This is hurting us. 1112 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,400 It's like a basic child question. 1113 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,680 If you can't answer this, your whole thing's broken. 1114 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,000 I'm sorry. 1115 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,560 So you said humorous, Winnie. 1116 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,600 And I think one of the things that stayed with me 1117 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,600 from the movies, that damn theme song that goes, 1118 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,760 do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, 1119 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,280 is like it plays like every five minutes, 1120 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,240 like just to show, oh, look, wacky character. 1121 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:34,280 And like, yeah, so it's this alien. 1122 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,160 He lands. 1123 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,200 He has this raid. 1124 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,960 He's buck naked, jacked up. 1125 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,760 He- 1126 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,960 Terminator style, but he looks again like Mr. Bean. 1127 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:42,960 Yeah. 1128 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,200 And like he has this like Dragon Ball-esque radar 1129 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,520 around his neck. 1130 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,200 Remote control. 1131 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,840 Remote control, as we would call it. 1132 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,320 And like some dude steals his remote, 1133 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,080 like some random traveler. 1134 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:57,760 A Sikh, right? 1135 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,560 A Sikh. 1136 00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,040 No, no, no, no. 1137 00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,920 He's Rajasthani. 1138 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,840 So Tarban is not only by Sikh. 1139 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,280 Tarban is like a headgear. 1140 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,600 It's very prevalent in Western, North, Western India. 1141 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,080 Yeah. 1142 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,320 So he steals his remote. 1143 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,160 And then like he ends up with that like boombox. 1144 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,240 And then like because that man stole his remote, 1145 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:17,840 we get the premise of the film. 1146 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,360 Like that was his way back home to call the ship. 1147 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,960 Yeah, he's ET without his phone. 1148 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,560 It's literally the plot of ET. 1149 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,600 That's literally it. 1150 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,080 And then I guess throughout the movie, 1151 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,880 we learn that he's just stuck in India out of all places. 1152 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,240 He's stuck in India, learns their ways, 1153 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,400 and essentially is like this alien is 1154 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,040 trying to find his way back home. 1155 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,800 And I think like he meets people and they say, 1156 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,440 like you should essentially you should contact God 1157 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,840 if you want to find your way back home. 1158 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:52,560 God will know. 1159 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,720 Like pray to God, like they would know how to find it. 1160 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,480 Like how to help you. 1161 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,240 That's where we get the satire from, 1162 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,920 where he's like looking to God for answers, 1163 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,840 but then he cannot find those answers. 1164 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,200 And he turns to every sort of religion. 1165 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,200 You get to see this montage where 1166 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,760 he goes through Christianity, Sikhism, Hinduism. 1167 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,920 I don't know what else. 1168 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,960 Muslims. 1169 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,000 Yes, yes. 1170 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,280 Yeah. 1171 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,200 And we're introduced to this central antagonist, 1172 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,280 I would say. 1173 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,000 I don't remember his name, but it's his holiness. 1174 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,920 We call him his holiness. 1175 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,760 And that is the man that has the. 1176 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:35,880 The religious guru. 1177 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,720 Religious guru. 1178 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:40,880 Running a fake cult or money outfit. 1179 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,960 And he has that remote control. 1180 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:45,720 Yeah. 1181 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:47,080 That's basically the gist of it. 1182 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,640 Yeah, and don't forget though, it's 1183 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,440 bookended by a very weird romance. 1184 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,560 There is a romance film. 1185 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,280 We have like this woman. 1186 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,120 I guess you guys, I mean, Keely would know, right? 1187 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,800 Anushka Sharma as Jagu. 1188 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:03,440 Jagu. 1189 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:04,760 Jagu. 1190 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,720 So she's like this journalist. 1191 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:10,520 And we get like this subplot where she was in, 1192 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:11,600 I think it was. 1193 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:12,120 London. 1194 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:12,720 Belgium. 1195 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:13,320 Belgium. 1196 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,080 In Bruges. 1197 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,560 In Bruges, right. 1198 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,760 She falls in love with a Pakistani boy. 1199 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,080 But I don't think he's Pakistani. 1200 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:19,960 I don't think the actor's Pakistani. 1201 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:20,560 No, no, no. 1202 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,640 The actor's not Pakistani. 1203 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:22,680 The actor is. 1204 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,320 Pakistani. 1205 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,440 And I think we get one of the most hilarious fast forward-esque 1206 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,680 moments where like, oh, you're Pakistani. 1207 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,520 Oh, I don't want to mess with you. 1208 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:33,760 And then we get a musical cue. 1209 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,240 And then they fall in love. 1210 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,320 Just to accelerate the plot. 1211 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:44,640 But when Jagu tells her parents that I'm in love with this 1212 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,520 Pakistani man. 1213 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,920 Yeah. 1214 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,240 Firstly, he's Muslim. 1215 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:49,480 And then Pakistani. 1216 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,480 Like double negative for her. 1217 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,760 Double trouble for the family. 1218 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:55,280 Family. 1219 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,400 And that's where the religious thing comes in, where she's 1220 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,880 kind of like the parents were not OK with it. 1221 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,480 And they were like, we don't like this. 1222 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,640 Let's turn to his holiness. 1223 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,760 And then we're introduced to this antagonist. 1224 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:14,920 And he's saying, oh, Pakistanis are like traitorous people. 1225 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:15,840 They'll backstab you. 1226 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,400 They're only in it for carnal desires or something. 1227 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,720 That's what he said. 1228 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:21,600 Carnal desires. 1229 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,160 He's like, he's going to leave you at the altar. 1230 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,240 And to prove him wrong, Jagu's telling the Pakistani boy, 1231 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,400 let's get married tomorrow. 1232 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,760 Let's do it. 1233 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,200 And then they just tried doing it. 1234 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:41,120 And she gets this letter from a boy that's like, our 1235 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,920 cultures divide us. 1236 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,320 We're not meant to be. 1237 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,880 Families are not happy. 1238 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,200 And then it's like, the audience is led to believe 1239 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:54,080 that his prophecy, his holiness prophecy has come through. 1240 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,280 So she goes back. 1241 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,200 And she meets PK. 1242 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,880 But I just want to get into it. 1243 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:01,760 She's a journalist. 1244 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,480 She's a journalist. 1245 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,240 She goes into a journalism job. 1246 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:08,960 And her news agency, they don't want to touch religion. 1247 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:09,960 They don't cover religion. 1248 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:10,720 That was it. 1249 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:11,760 But I just want to get into it. 1250 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,480 Is that a thing? 1251 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:20,320 Do Indians and Pakistanis don't get together? 1252 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,920 Yeah. 1253 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:28,000 So building one of the identities in Pakistan and 1254 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,480 India after the independence was Pakistanis were taught 1255 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,360 you were like, we are anti-Indian. 1256 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:40,120 Indians were trained as Pakistanis, our enemy. 1257 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:40,880 Yeah, so. 1258 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,360 If they got along, I would probably not be in Thailand 1259 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,360 right now. 1260 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,800 But I know someone that's like, he's Indian. 1261 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,200 He's married to a Pakistani. 1262 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,360 But that happens a lot. 1263 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:51,880 Yeah. 1264 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,200 And he's in San Francisco, though. 1265 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:53,560 Yeah. 1266 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:58,440 And most of these happen when people go outside. 1267 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,280 Because most of the time, they are the same people. 1268 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,440 They speak the same language. 1269 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,320 They speak the same language. 1270 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:14,880 Even Muslims marry cross-border. 1271 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,880 Hindus even marry cross-border. 1272 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,640 But it's very rare to happen cross-religion, 1273 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,160 cross-border together. 1274 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,440 That's the scope of the film. 1275 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,680 That happens really rarely. 1276 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,640 I haven't seen in my, there are most obviously many examples 1277 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:31,760 definitely there. 1278 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:32,880 But I haven't seen. 1279 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,840 But I have seen same religion marriage happening. 1280 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,240 Because they're the same people most of the time. 1281 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:45,320 Speak same language, Hindi and Urdu, in North India. 1282 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,040 I think it caused a lot of tension. 1283 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,880 Parents will threaten to commit suicide. 1284 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:49,520 Yeah. 1285 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,600 And also, there are a lot of visa issues happen 1286 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,080 between India and Pakistan. 1287 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,920 Like from a bureaucratic point of view, 1288 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,160 a lot of visa issues happen. 1289 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,440 Do Pakistanis have to get a visa to go to India? 1290 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,480 Yeah, both sides. 1291 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,960 I think it's very difficult for Indians to get a visa to Pakistan 1292 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:07,240 as well. 1293 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:08,440 Yeah, both ways. 1294 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,600 And even, yeah, it's a whole mess. 1295 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:15,160 It's like it will go, different rabbit holes. 1296 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,440 So put it for some other film where we have Pakistani villains. 1297 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,760 But the movie is also brave for touching upon this 1298 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,760 and then going to question religion as a whole. 1299 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,840 Yeah, I did notice that. 1300 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,760 They were touching upon people we can get along. 1301 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,520 Love goes no bounds. 1302 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,560 The Pakistani guy, they don't look down on him. 1303 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,600 No, they did not. 1304 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,960 There's nothing about it that's patronizing or anything. 1305 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:47,560 Like, that's nice. 1306 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,400 So yeah, circling back to this, His Holiness, 1307 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,080 you can see where his stance comes from. 1308 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,080 He's talking all superstitious-like and everything. 1309 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,640 And I think one thing that we get to learn early on in the movie 1310 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:02,560 is like, Jaggu's family is very religious. 1311 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,840 And one thing you could tell is they have his picture up 1312 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,440 everywhere in the house. 1313 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,520 It's very tongue-in-cheek. 1314 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,520 They have the guru's photo up everywhere. 1315 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:11,680 They have the guru's photo up. 1316 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,680 It's not tongue-in-cheek. 1317 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,680 I have seen families like that. 1318 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,680 OK, all right. 1319 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:20,400 But why I'm saying tongue-in-cheek is like, 1320 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,040 they were talking about how you can donate money 1321 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,920 through his website or something. 1322 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,640 I thought that was pretty funny. 1323 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:29,880 That happens as well. 1324 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:30,480 That is true. 1325 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:35,440 So the tone is tongue-in-cheek, but it's not, 1326 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,080 they didn't take a creative license 1327 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,080 to blow it out of proportion and magnify it. 1328 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,040 But no, that's very reality. 1329 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,720 I have dealt with this kind of people, 1330 00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:48,640 this kind of families I've seen growing up. 1331 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,280 We'll have their guruji's photos everywhere on the wall. 1332 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,480 And it's very touchy subject for them. 1333 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,840 Yeah, but eight out of ten are frauds. 1334 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,760 Yeah, it's wild. 1335 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,880 Yeah, so Jaggu meets PK. 1336 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,320 And PK was giving up. 1337 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,560 And it's like, God is missing. 1338 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,880 And just to fast-forward things, it's like, 1339 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,520 we can see that PK is not of this world. 1340 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,440 Because his ears are slightly longer. 1341 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,360 His ears are slightly longer. 1342 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,440 He goes from being ignorant, and then he 1343 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,880 starts learning India's societal norms, 1344 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:28,880 learning about having higher power beings to follow. 1345 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,760 And there's a lot of intricacies we 1346 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,280 notice about his character. 1347 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,800 One thing that I think we all notice 1348 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,920 is that when he goes into the temple, 1349 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,600 he tries to get the money back because, oh, god, 1350 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,040 he lied to me. 1351 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,760 I didn't get my answers. 1352 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,160 Yeah, I mean, his whole premise is 1353 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,640 he takes everything very literally. 1354 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,120 So if you put the money in, then you should get something out. 1355 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,440 And if he doesn't, he wants a refund. 1356 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,680 He wants to take it out. 1357 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,800 Which, when you apply literal things 1358 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,080 to religious interpretation, of course, it's going to clash. 1359 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,200 I will say, early on in the film, 1360 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,800 I think it's actually the same scene, 1361 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,400 when he's taking the money out, and they're coming towards him, 1362 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,520 he slaps the religious figure stickers on his cheek 1363 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,640 with his genus. 1364 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,680 So he has these religious figures on his cheeks, 1365 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,200 so people can't hit him because he's 1366 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,640 so used to people hitting him in the temple at this point 1367 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,040 from doing this that he's learned that you can just 1368 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,640 do that, which is brilliant. 1369 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,960 Like, you should, I mean, honestly, 1370 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,360 draw Muhammad on your forehead and run around. 1371 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,880 And so they can't show your face on CCTV or on the news 1372 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,520 or anything, lest they get Muslim fury. 1373 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,240 So that's brilliant. 1374 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:34,280 I'm going to adopt those practices. 1375 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:34,880 Yeah. 1376 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,000 There are other things that we know as to how, 1377 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,000 if he doesn't have a place to stay, 1378 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,000 he would just piss on a wall so that the police would come 1379 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,800 catch him, and then he ends up in jail, 1380 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,080 and there he can have a place to stay. 1381 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:52,120 Or he locks up his sandals at the temple, like a bicycle. 1382 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,040 Yeah, I've been there too. 1383 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:55,960 So hilarious. 1384 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,400 Or later on in the movie, we learn 1385 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,600 that there's a central thing where he learns that maybe God 1386 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:02,880 is scamming people. 1387 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,680 Maybe he's pranking. 1388 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,040 Something about prank calls. 1389 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:06,760 Wrong number. 1390 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,040 Wrong number. 1391 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:08,840 It's like everything is- 1392 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,000 No, no, God is not pranking. 1393 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,240 It's like there is an agent who is supposed 1394 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,880 to connect the wishes to God. 1395 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,120 That agent is like dialing wrong number, 1396 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,960 and he's scamming, the agent is scamming all the money 1397 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,080 so the things are not going to God. 1398 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,680 So he's actually learned, when he learns about God in the film, 1399 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,360 like he stays a theist. 1400 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,600 Like he believes in God. 1401 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,440 All along the film, he believes that there 1402 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,760 is a God who is a benevolent God. 1403 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,600 But these people are like someone, 1404 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,360 somewhere is scamming because this is obviously not working. 1405 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,080 The prayers are not working. 1406 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,120 Nothing is working. 1407 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,720 People are killing each other in the name of religion 1408 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:49,560 and all these things. 1409 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,480 So what's there? 1410 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,040 He questions the differences in religion as well, right? 1411 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,120 Like how do you know who is who? 1412 00:57:59,120 --> 00:57:59,640 Like- 1413 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:00,760 Who is the real God. 1414 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,880 No, no, who is, yeah, which God is the real God, 1415 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,840 or who is who? 1416 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,320 Like whether is it by birth you get 1417 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,880 to know that this kid is Hindu, this kid is Muslim. 1418 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,320 Like does God give sense to them? 1419 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,120 Yeah, doesn't he try to make everyone take off 1420 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,480 their clothes and stuff so you can see if you have a marking 1421 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,000 on you? 1422 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:19,320 Yeah, yeah. 1423 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,640 There's a scene, he goes to a hospital 1424 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,640 and he checks a newborn baby to see 1425 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:23,840 if they have a label on them. 1426 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,720 And then when he realizes that they don't, 1427 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,640 he kind of goes to the temple with a guru in it. 1428 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,800 And then he makes different people of different religions 1429 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,800 swap clothes and dress up in different religious attires. 1430 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,000 And he's like, can you guess where these people are from? 1431 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,760 And so of course the guru just guesses 1432 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,440 based on their religious attire. 1433 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,560 And he's like, huh, you know you're punked. 1434 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:42,040 Like I just- 1435 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,200 Owned you, I owned you. 1436 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,200 I tricked you. 1437 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,920 So also going to show that, yeah, this is all concepts. 1438 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,320 Yeah, I mean, he goes through like a lot of, 1439 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,880 so I guess the movie got a lot of heat 1440 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,320 because it looks at social norms or like cultural traditions, 1441 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:58,120 right? 1442 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:03,160 I think at one point some guy talks to the guru 1443 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,440 and he's like, hey, I need help for my son or whatever, 1444 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,960 or my dad, my dying dad or something. 1445 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,520 And he's like, go up to the mountain 1446 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,760 and go pray to this other person. 1447 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,600 And PK is like, why would a god make you do that? 1448 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,160 Like this is like a, like. 1449 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,920 And so I think people got heat from like these traditions, 1450 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,320 like these objects that we fetishize, 1451 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,880 or like these social norms that we abide by, 1452 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,600 like it's offensive if you make fun of that. 1453 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,840 And it is tricky because like, I mean, yes, at some point 1454 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,200 you are, sometimes the religious stuff doesn't make sense, 1455 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,040 like literally. 1456 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,320 And religion just literally most of the time doesn't make sense. 1457 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,600 But like it's also if it's just built into your culture, 1458 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,720 like this is the habit that we do or the pattern that we do. 1459 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,960 It's very hard where it bleeds in between, 1460 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,440 where like, are you criticizing just the cultural that's 1461 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,520 built into it or the religion itself? 1462 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:01,520 Yeah. 1463 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,120 But throughout all these critiques, 1464 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,200 I think it's important to note that he kind of always 1465 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,040 believes in God, like Kili said. 1466 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,000 And I said I find it a bit funny that people were offended 1467 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,880 by this movie because he never really questions God at all. 1468 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,360 He always kind of holds onto that. 1469 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,720 And he's just questioning the way 1470 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,560 people have chosen to worship him blindly. 1471 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:22,920 Yeah. 1472 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,520 Kili's making a lot of good arguments, 1473 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,560 just saying, yeah, I agree with them. 1474 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,560 Yes. 1475 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,720 No, no, no, it's true. 1476 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,800 So I will say, though, like I, you know, growing up Christian, 1477 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,560 like I said, like all my VHS tapes, 1478 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,960 you know, I watched a lot of Christian movies and TV shows 1479 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,680 and stuff. 1480 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:48,520 And watching this, I think that it's very resilient. 1481 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:53,080 Like if you get religious movies for the most part, 1482 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,440 at least in America, right, you'll 1483 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,840 have like a Christian movie where it's like, 1484 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,200 this Christian person goes to the college campus 1485 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,600 and argues with the professor. 1486 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,920 Or then they have like a debate with facts and logic. 1487 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,120 And then the professor's beaten and stuff. 1488 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,760 And they can't really have a movie where things 1489 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,200 are correctly questioned, right? 1490 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,040 Like it's always the Christian questioning other things. 1491 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,960 But it's no one really coming up and questioning them. 1492 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,680 And like this movie is resilient in that way, 1493 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,560 where they are inviting like questions 1494 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,720 and they are directly criticizing it. 1495 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,120 But I still think it's an overtly religious film. 1496 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:32,080 Like I don't think it's not anti-Hindu in any way. 1497 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,680 But it was kind of refreshing to see 1498 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,320 that they are able to withstand those types of questions. 1499 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,080 Because the Christian ones, I don't know, 1500 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,320 maybe because they're just always like playing victim. 1501 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:46,000 But they're always like, they never take any shots. 1502 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,520 They never, you know, like try to defend themselves in any way. 1503 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,800 It's always just like playing the victim 1504 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,120 and kind of trying to poke holes in other people. 1505 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,080 And so I did appreciate that at least from this. 1506 01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,560 I think the reason it was criticized 1507 01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,880 for being anti-Hindu so much was because it really 1508 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,800 did poke at idol worshiping, which 1509 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,320 is a big thing in Hinduism, right? 1510 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,200 And there's a scene where he goes to the temple 1511 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,880 and he buys like a small statue for a cheap price. 1512 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,160 And he prays and it doesn't work. 1513 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,880 So he goes back to ask for a refund. 1514 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,480 And they're like, oh, you can buy a bigger one or something. 1515 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,840 So he's like, OK, so if I pay more for this bigger one, 1516 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,160 will it work better? 1517 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:17,680 Right? 1518 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,080 And that also kind of just like pokes holes 1519 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,160 to some degree in this. 1520 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,720 And I think that and also the scene 1521 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:28,360 where he follows Lord Shiva, a normal man dressed as Lord Shiva. 1522 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,480 And he follows him to the bathroom and corners him. 1523 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,680 And this was good. 1524 01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,360 It was good, but I was pretty uncomfortable at it. 1525 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,800 Like, it was just, he just like locked him in the bathroom. 1526 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,240 And from his point of view, he finally cornered the god. 1527 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,480 Now it's time for koishimi. 1528 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,520 He's really like, yeah, he has like, 1529 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,120 his back is like next to the wall. 1530 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,440 So he doesn't have any other choice apart from questioning 1531 01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,480 God at that point while he's peeing. 1532 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,080 And this man's just like, I want to go home. 1533 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,120 I have kids at home. 1534 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,120 I'm going to go home. 1535 01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,840 I'm going to sit in a comfortable seat. 1536 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,120 It was in a comfortable seat. 1537 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,840 Like, he was like going to rob him or harass him somehow. 1538 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,760 He's just going to question him about his remote. 1539 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,120 I know the way they present it. 1540 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1541 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:18,280 Yeah. 1542 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,680 Places, you know. 1543 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,840 So he meets with the woman, right? 1544 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:23,640 Jagu, right? 1545 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:24,240 Jagu. 1546 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,720 At first, she didn't believe him. 1547 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,400 But then we get this long flashback 1548 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:32,080 where he starts learning all the cultural norms in India. 1549 01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,120 At first, he was getting paper, paper of Mahatma Gandhi. 1550 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,000 That was good, too. 1551 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:37,760 All right, wait a minute. 1552 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:38,240 I'll back up. 1553 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,920 So he was giving money. 1554 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,160 He was giving currency when he first shows up. 1555 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,360 And it's a picture of Gandhi. 1556 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,200 And he's like, oh, people take these pictures of Gandhi 1557 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,000 and give me things. 1558 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,600 So he runs around ripping pictures of Gandhi off walls 1559 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,280 and stuff, and then hands him posters. 1560 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,720 And they're like, what do you want me to do with this? 1561 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:53,560 That was pretty funny. 1562 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,440 Yeah, he's learning about currency. 1563 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,320 Yeah, currency. 1564 01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,320 Or how he finds clothes. 1565 01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,880 He'd realize that people wear clothes. 1566 01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,400 And he finds them through dancing cars. 1567 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:02,920 Yeah. 1568 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,200 People having sex in cars. 1569 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:04,680 Yeah. 1570 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,680 And this pops up a few times throughout the movie. 1571 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:07,880 It pops up way too many times. 1572 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,640 He just steals people's clothes when they're having sex in the car. 1573 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:12,920 So is that really a thing? 1574 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,440 People having sex in cars. 1575 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,600 Yeah, but I don't think they put the clothes out like that. 1576 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,520 I don't think so. 1577 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:21,840 Where'd you put your clothes, Killy, 1578 01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:22,960 when you had sex in the car? 1579 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:27,720 I never had. 1580 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,360 OK. 1581 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,600 For podcast purposes. 1582 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:31,680 Just in the rickshaw. 1583 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,520 So yeah, I didn't believe. 1584 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:41,040 I think eventually, Jai Gu believes that this guy is not 1585 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:41,760 of this world. 1586 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:46,320 And then they go on this crusade to prove that his holiness is 1587 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:47,640 a fraud. 1588 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,240 Because the holiness has his remote. 1589 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,680 It has his remote. 1590 01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,160 It has the necklace to get back home. 1591 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,040 And then his holiness is claiming that this remote control 1592 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,920 is a gift from God. 1593 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,160 And that's when you know that he's a fucking liar. 1594 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:01,680 Yeah. 1595 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,280 I think it's supposed to be like a bead from Lord Shiva's 1596 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:04,960 necklace. 1597 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,560 That's what he's claiming it is. 1598 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,360 Yeah. 1599 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,880 And so yeah, they go on a rant. 1600 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,480 They go on this crusade. 1601 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:22,400 And like we mentioned before, PK believes. 1602 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,200 So PK, what's the sound of his name, PK? 1603 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,000 Why PK? 1604 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:26,480 The name. 1605 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:27,000 OK. 1606 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,840 So it says tipsy, right? 1607 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,200 It means tipsy. 1608 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:30,760 No, OK. 1609 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,360 So PK is not an adjective. 1610 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,440 It's an adjective. 1611 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,080 Sorry, it's not a noun. 1612 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,920 It's an adjective. 1613 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,960 In a way, they were asking him, PK ho kya? 1614 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,080 PK means like, are you drunk? 1615 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,080 PK means actually drunk. 1616 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,960 Like drunk. 1617 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,560 OK, so PK ho kya? 1618 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:53,920 Are you drunk? 1619 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:59,240 Then he just thought that his name is PK. 1620 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,200 And he was telling everyone, yeah, I am PK. 1621 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,480 He took that name. 1622 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,560 He thought PK is a name. 1623 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:06,200 OK. 1624 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,520 And then he assumes that name for him. 1625 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:10,440 Yes. 1626 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,280 This is going to be a common theme, I guess, 1627 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,120 which is constantly bad mistranslation, where 1628 01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,240 the title is PK. 1629 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,880 But in the movie, they call him tipsy. 1630 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,120 They're like, hey, you're drunk. 1631 01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:22,880 You're tipsy. 1632 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,040 So he has like an elf name. 1633 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,040 The whole movie is just called tipsy. 1634 01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,280 And you, as an English viewer, have no idea why this is called 1635 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,960 PK because it's never mentioned once. 1636 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:32,680 Yeah. 1637 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:33,200 Yeah. 1638 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,440 They should have called the movie tipsy. 1639 01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:36,840 Yeah. 1640 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:37,400 Yep. 1641 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:37,920 Yep. 1642 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:38,600 Thank you. 1643 01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,120 That's all I wanted was just. 1644 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:45,520 And then I think one more thing I saw on the subtitle 1645 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,560 that he says like he learns Hindi, but he learns Bhojpuri. 1646 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,000 It's like a Bihari, like one of the languages 1647 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,320 very close to Hindi. 1648 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,360 And he learns that from that process, 1649 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:57,520 like the way he was learning. 1650 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:01,440 So he has to hold hand for six hours to learn one language, 1651 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:01,960 right? 1652 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:02,440 Oh, god. 1653 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,400 We need to totally touch on that. 1654 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,000 So he was, you know, when he came to this world, right, 1655 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:07,600 he was lost. 1656 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,280 And he meets like a traveling showman. 1657 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:11,160 Yeah. 1658 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:12,440 It's played by Sanjay Dutt. 1659 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:12,960 Yeah. 1660 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:13,640 It's like a cameo. 1661 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,640 Like it has one of my favorite songs in the movie. 1662 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,720 I think it's called like Taki Chokro or something. 1663 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:22,600 But anyway, yeah. 1664 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,480 So he was trying to like. 1665 01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,760 So PK's ability is that he holds hands 1666 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,200 to absorb the knowledge. 1667 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:32,480 Yeah, memory, knowledge. 1668 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:33,960 And raise and stuff. 1669 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,880 And he couldn't keep it because because he's an alien, 1670 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,320 we're led to believe he's an alien. 1671 01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,440 He's not Indian. 1672 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,600 This this traveling Sanjay Dutt's character 1673 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,600 takes him to this brothel. 1674 01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,360 And that's where he gets like tries this. 1675 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,320 This this prostitute tries to get intimate with him. 1676 01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,200 But then he just decides to like grab her hand. 1677 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,760 So he needed someone to grab a hand for six hours. 1678 01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,080 And he was trying to grab hands for anyone for six hours. 1679 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:00,600 Yeah. 1680 01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:01,640 And let me just back up. 1681 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:05,000 Your favorite song, Nikki, the entire thing 1682 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,080 is about how this guy is very handsy and harasses everyone. 1683 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:09,880 Yeah. 1684 01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,360 And it's a very cute character. 1685 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,920 The whole thing is that how he's just 1686 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,800 like sexually assaulting everyone 1687 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,680 and how it's a very cute affectation 1688 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,480 of this weird friend who just cannot stop touching people. 1689 01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:23,320 So like he like runs to people getting married 1690 01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,200 and grabs their hand and just will not 1691 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,200 stop harassing people. 1692 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,200 And that's the entire constants of the song. 1693 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,640 It's like the subtitles hit something like, 1694 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,960 here comes my zany guess. 1695 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,080 Can't tell guy from girl. 1696 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,360 Or like, here comes the lusty lad. 1697 01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,080 Yeah, I guess with this crazy fad or something. 1698 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:43,320 Everyone runs away from him. 1699 01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:44,680 Nobody wants to be around him. 1700 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:45,960 He is assaulting everyone. 1701 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,800 And finally, the guy relents. 1702 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,360 He's like, all right, I'll just got to take him to a prostitute 1703 01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,720 because he's so revolting to everyone around him 1704 01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,640 and won't stop touching everyone. 1705 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,800 And somehow like super cute. 1706 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,560 Yeah, I know it's like question on lyrics. 1707 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,600 But the song is such a banger, man. 1708 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:01,120 Let's say. 1709 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:01,480 It's a banger. 1710 01:09:01,480 --> 01:09:02,840 But then he goes to the prostitute 1711 01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,320 and holds her hand for six hours. 1712 01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,320 And then he learns Bhojpuri. 1713 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,360 Bhojpuri or not Hindi. 1714 01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:12,080 Yeah, it's like it's super weird because he's in Rajasthan, 1715 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,400 which is like so far like thousands of kilometers 1716 01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,720 away from Bihar where the Bhojpuri language is. 1717 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,440 And like he starts speaking Bhojpuri. 1718 01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:22,360 But a Hindi speaker would usually understand Bhojpuri 1719 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,800 as well because it's almost a dialect. 1720 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,120 So yeah, so and everyone is surprised like, oh my god. 1721 01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,760 And it was a very point of fun like in India 1722 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,800 because like Bollywood film main actor, like alien 1723 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:41,000 comes to glance on India and then he learns Bhojpuri. 1724 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,800 That was a very nice take from the filmmakers I felt. 1725 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,520 Because it's like a prostitute language? 1726 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:46,200 No, no, no, no. 1727 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:47,280 It's a Rajasthan language. 1728 01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:51,440 It's a language of one state. 1729 01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:53,480 And like you think prostitutes have a whole language 1730 01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:54,200 for themselves. 1731 01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,200 It's very close to Hindi. 1732 01:09:55,200 --> 01:10:00,000 It's like the girl was from that state who was working in a far 1733 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:00,480 away state. 1734 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:01,520 Right, it's like Isan. 1735 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,680 But is Amir Khan from there or did he actually 1736 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,840 have to learn Bhojpuri for the film? 1737 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,200 Did he actually have to learn Bhojpuri for the film 1738 01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:09,800 or is he just from there and he knows the language? 1739 01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:10,320 No, no, no. 1740 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,440 I think he had learned, of course. 1741 01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:13,440 I mean, it's easier. 1742 01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:17,920 It's like someone Thai learning Isan like Adam mentioned. 1743 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,480 Very good analogy, Adam. 1744 01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:20,520 Thanks. 1745 01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,080 I don't know how I know that. 1746 01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,480 So anyways, he's super handsy, but he finally 1747 01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:28,840 learns the language and he's able to speak to everyone. 1748 01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,440 He speaks to everyone. 1749 01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:33,120 I think Sanjay Das character said something like, wow, 1750 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:33,680 he's amazed. 1751 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:34,600 Get laid, get well. 1752 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:35,440 Or something like that. 1753 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:36,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1754 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,040 Like he suddenly get laid and he finally starts talking. 1755 01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:40,760 He starts talking. 1756 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,760 And he stopped trying to touch everyone. 1757 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,720 And that's also how he learns. 1758 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,080 That's how Jaggu believes that he's an alien, right? 1759 01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:50,720 Because at first she was not believing him. 1760 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:54,360 She just thought that he was batshit crazy and then he touches her and then 1761 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,280 learns everything about her history and everything, 1762 01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,280 which will come into importance near the end of the movie. 1763 01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,520 But yeah, so she believes him, right? 1764 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,720 And they go on this campaign to convince the public 1765 01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:13,400 that there are false prophets around the country. 1766 01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,320 He starts questioning things. 1767 01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,760 Well, yeah, because he's after the necklace, right? 1768 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:18,280 The necklace. 1769 01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:19,880 And the guru is talking shit. 1770 01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:20,360 Yeah. 1771 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,320 So PK was trying to say people should stop 1772 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:28,840 doing these meaningless rituals that would give you the answer. 1773 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,520 Because to him, he's jaded. 1774 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,920 He can't get an answer from God anywhere, right? 1775 01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:42,280 And then I think, OK, we later find out that Sanjay Dutt's character 1776 01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,760 finds the traveling salesman. 1777 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:51,880 And that's when we learn that this guy sold the remote control 1778 01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,200 to his holiness. 1779 01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:54,920 So it's all lies. 1780 01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,520 It's all lies, basically. 1781 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:04,160 And yeah, so with that information, right? 1782 01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:09,680 We get this weird scene where Sanjay Dutt's character dies. 1783 01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,120 He gets assassinated through bomb attack. 1784 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,400 I love that you're laughing at this, Nicky. 1785 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:15,880 It's so random. 1786 01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:16,360 It's shocking. 1787 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,040 It got so dark so fast. 1788 01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:18,520 I forgot. 1789 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:19,320 What happens again? 1790 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:20,960 It's like they're like. 1791 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,600 He was bringing the guy who actually 1792 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:29,280 snatched the necklace from him and sold it in some marketplace. 1793 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:36,320 So he didn't directly sell it to the villain, Tapas Viji guy. 1794 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:41,520 And then, but he just sold it for a few money, very little money. 1795 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:42,920 And then he gets a hold of him. 1796 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,960 And so he tries to bring him to Delhi or wherever they are at, 1797 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,200 so to prove to people that, OK, this is the story. 1798 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,560 And then there is just an explosion in the tree. 1799 01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,000 There was an explosion. 1800 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,960 Like a terror attack. 1801 01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:01,520 A terrorist attack, just to silence that vital information. 1802 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,080 So the first time I watched it, I thought this was right. 1803 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:05,920 It's unclear, actually. 1804 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,320 It's not disclosed. 1805 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,040 It's not disclosed that who made the. 1806 01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:15,080 Because I think it was also a commentary on one of the terror 1807 01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:19,760 attacks that happened that was kind of framed on someone, 1808 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,960 some people, some terrorist organization. 1809 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:26,040 But it was said to be done by some other group, 1810 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,040 like conflicting religious groups. 1811 01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:32,040 And there was a thing which never came out, 1812 01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,200 never had proper investigation to know who actually 1813 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,920 caused the terror attack. 1814 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:43,200 There are accused party, but it's like kind of went up in smoke. 1815 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:48,440 So yeah, so I think that's why the filmmaker kept it. 1816 01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:52,160 He not mentioned that why that terror, 1817 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,520 like who did that terror attack. 1818 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,840 So it's like for him, I think it's a commentary. 1819 01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,200 Like at the end of the day, it's a terror attack. 1820 01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,360 Doesn't matter who is doing it. 1821 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,400 Like it's the innocent people dying. 1822 01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,080 It doesn't matter who is doing it. 1823 01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,200 It's just the poor traveling, circus people dying. 1824 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,200 Yeah. 1825 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,040 It doesn't matter who is doing it. 1826 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,480 From all the movies that we've seen, 1827 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:17,520 we always have these plot twists where someone just dies. 1828 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:18,600 I'm not going to get into it. 1829 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,120 PK, the alien with big ears, is in a big bloody scene 1830 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,040 for no reason. 1831 01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,720 It's a signature fear of stairs moment. 1832 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:27,200 Yeah. 1833 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,040 It's the hard turn. 1834 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,960 Someone has to needlessly die for the character 1835 01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,360 to learn something about themselves. 1836 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:36,880 Right. 1837 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:42,760 And then all this campaign against false holy men, 1838 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,760 it culminates into this talk show that they would have. 1839 01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:50,360 He challenges them to a debate, like a facts and logic debate. 1840 01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,520 A debate where PK says everyone out there 1841 01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,760 should follow the real God and not these holy men. 1842 01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,880 And then his holiness is arguing back 1843 01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:03,400 that I have a direct connection to God. 1844 01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,120 I can prove that this is true because I told Jagu 1845 01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:11,920 that you can't end up with Pakistani men. 1846 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:16,120 And then we learned that PK absorbed Jagu's memories. 1847 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,160 And he said that, but you see, the letter 1848 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:24,960 that she received about how Safraz, the Pakistani dude, 1849 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,120 he was basically telling her, oh, we can't get married. 1850 01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,240 It wasn't actually a letter directed to her. 1851 01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,080 There was no address. 1852 01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,000 There was no phone. 1853 01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,080 There was no address. 1854 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:40,320 But the way we find out, it's so convoluted in a way. 1855 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,320 Earlier in the movie, she gets to this wedding scene. 1856 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,120 And then another bride goes up to her and says, here, 1857 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,000 hold my dog. 1858 01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,640 Hold my basket. 1859 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,200 And that's when we find out that this kid that 1860 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,160 goes into the church giving the letter of rejection, 1861 01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:58,480 it wasn't directed to her. 1862 01:15:58,480 --> 01:15:59,720 It was directed to the bride. 1863 01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,000 But we would never see that on first watch. 1864 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,120 I think it's so funny how everything falls into place. 1865 01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,440 And that's when PK was able to prove to his holiness 1866 01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:12,440 that that wasn't directed to Jagu. 1867 01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:14,320 It was directed to another bride. 1868 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,040 And then that bride was stood up. 1869 01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:17,520 That bride was stood up. 1870 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,000 And then Jagu realized, oh, my god, maybe PK's right. 1871 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,160 And then I should call the embassy of Belgium 1872 01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:29,640 just to see where the Pakistani embassy in Belgium is. 1873 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,400 Just to prove that right. 1874 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,000 And I don't know why she didn't think 1875 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,360 about doing that at first. 1876 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:35,040 I don't know why. 1877 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:39,040 But it ultimately proved his holiness prophecy 1878 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,600 was just false. 1879 01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,120 Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 1880 01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:43,280 She calls the embassy. 1881 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,880 And they're like, oh, hey, it's you. 1882 01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,280 This guy's been calling every single day for years, 1883 01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,720 asking, waiting for you to call. 1884 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,200 And he's going to be so happy. 1885 01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,160 So this guy is, by the way, the ultimate cut, 1886 01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,520 because we'll get to the end. 1887 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:05,920 He is, dude, because like, so they fall in love, whatever. 1888 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,880 She leaves the wedding place where 1889 01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,640 he's supposed to meet here. 1890 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,240 And then he is just sat and calls his embassy 1891 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,840 every single day for years. 1892 01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:18,040 Anyways, they connect again at the end of the movie. 1893 01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:19,960 And they're like, oh, my god, yeah, 1894 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,000 it was just a big miscommunication. 1895 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,240 Let's get back together. 1896 01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:24,800 That's fine. 1897 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,280 I'll get to my main point after this. 1898 01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:27,240 Anyways, continue. 1899 01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,280 It took them six months to realize that, oh, it 1900 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,040 was all a miscommunication. 1901 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,080 I have loved you all this time. 1902 01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:34,680 I wanted to marry you. 1903 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,480 And I guess that's it. 1904 01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:40,240 It ultimately proves that his holiness prophecy 1905 01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,400 was just false. 1906 01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:42,900 Yeah. 1907 01:17:42,900 --> 01:17:43,880 It's literally the point. 1908 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,600 That's literally the whole point. 1909 01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:46,800 Yeah. 1910 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,280 The end scene, the monologue that PK has, 1911 01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,600 and I think that also went viral a little bit. 1912 01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,000 And this exact line where he was like, 1913 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,200 there are two gods, the one who created us 1914 01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:57,960 and the one you have created. 1915 01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,520 And we have to believe them in the ones who have created us 1916 01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:01,440 and abolish yours. 1917 01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,800 So I feel like there was specific lines in that monologue 1918 01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,920 he had at the end that really kind of hit the nail 1919 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,000 on the head about his view on religion as well, which is 1920 01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,480 really like, god exists, but it's just not the god 1921 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:14,120 that you have created, that you believe in, 1922 01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,360 that you're using to exploit people. 1923 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:16,840 Yeah. 1924 01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,040 I really like his end monologue. 1925 01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,840 I don't know if it hit you guys in the same way. 1926 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,560 No, it's good. 1927 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:26,240 I mean, I think what they're trying to establish 1928 01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,440 is that you don't need intermediaries or gurus 1929 01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:32,160 for your direct connection, which I agree with. 1930 01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,640 But anyways, really quick though. 1931 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:41,960 My question is, doesn't PK create a new god by saying that? 1932 01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:43,280 Well, also, he's like an alien. 1933 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,960 I mean, that would alter any religion, I think. 1934 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,080 If an alien showed up, I'd be like, wait, wait. 1935 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,200 This wasn't what I grew up in. 1936 01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,640 But I just want to say the romance. 1937 01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,000 So she calls and gets back with the Pakistani guy, 1938 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,240 and they get married and stuff. 1939 01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:02,600 But PK reveals that he's actually in love with her. 1940 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,240 And she writes a whole book about PK 1941 01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,560 and goes on book tours and stuff because she loves him. 1942 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,400 Because the problem with the movie, I think, 1943 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,120 is because they need to have a love story. 1944 01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,960 But the Pakistani guy is in the very beginning and the very end. 1945 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,080 So they don't have a chance to develop. 1946 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,560 So the only people that can develop are 1947 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,120 Jagu and the alien PK. 1948 01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:24,600 And that's who we're invested in. 1949 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,960 But they can't have her fall in love with an alien. 1950 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:29,200 It has to be even worse. 1951 01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,880 It has to be a Pakistani man, not some guy from outer space. 1952 01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,200 But the problem is, so he just shows up again at the end. 1953 01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,760 But she's all invested in PK at this point. 1954 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,040 He clearly is in love with her too. 1955 01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,920 So this Pakistani guy, he seems sweet. 1956 01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:50,040 But he is completely sidelined. 1957 01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,800 And even though he's married to her, she's still in love with him. 1958 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,400 But that's in the scope of story, the scope of the film. 1959 01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,880 But it shows that PK learns by holding her hands 1960 01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:02,160 that she's still in love with the guy. 1961 01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,320 That's why he stops. 1962 01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,080 But she writes a book about him. 1963 01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:06,880 But he stops it. 1964 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,160 I wouldn't say that she's in love with him, though. 1965 01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:09,480 I don't think that showed in any part. 1966 01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:10,880 There was a point where he was in love with her. 1967 01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,840 He even writes on the card, I love you. 1968 01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,720 But he doesn't give it because when he holds the hand, 1969 01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,520 that he finds out that she's actually still in love 1970 01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:19,960 with the surfer-ass guy. 1971 01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:23,000 And then that's why he makes it a point 1972 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,920 that these guys also get together. 1973 01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:25,400 Yeah. 1974 01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,840 And he never really disclosed his love for her as well. 1975 01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,280 He just had a bunch of tapes before he 1976 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,080 was going to go back to his planet. 1977 01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,520 And then Jagu kind of listens to some of the tapes 1978 01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,880 and realizes that it's all records of her speaking. 1979 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,680 And that's when she realizes that, oh, PK's in love with me. 1980 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,240 But she doesn't stop him or anything. 1981 01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:42,480 He's an alien after all. 1982 01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:44,960 I think just the fundamentals of that relationship 1983 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:45,880 would be questionable. 1984 01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,400 The years wouldn't fit. 1985 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,320 I just think that it was nice that it ended that way. 1986 01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,560 I didn't want it to be like, oh, my true love 1987 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,840 was an alien all along because he's the main character. 1988 01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:03,440 It's very rooted with loving someone 1989 01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:06,320 from a different culture. 1990 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,360 It goes back to that. 1991 01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:09,360 I think I like that. 1992 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:10,280 I like that approach. 1993 01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,120 I didn't want her to fall in love with Amir Khan. 1994 01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:14,720 Yeah, and I think PK's whole premise 1995 01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,160 is be selfless, right? 1996 01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,280 And he kind of exhibits that with his actions as well. 1997 01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,920 He doesn't try to win her over or convince her or anything. 1998 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,400 He just realizes that she's in love with somebody else, 1999 01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,080 makes sure that she gets back with him, 2000 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,000 and then goes back to his planet. 2001 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,400 So everything that he's going on about God 2002 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,240 and what religion should be, I think 2003 01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:36,120 he also exhibits that in his personality and his actions. 2004 01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,840 I mean, yeah, for an alien, he's very humanist. 2005 01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:39,840 Yeah. 2006 01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,240 But yeah, so actually, he was not 2007 01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,160 able to lie throughout the film, right? 2008 01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,760 That's his human behavior that he never understood. 2009 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,480 Humans can lie. 2010 01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:51,840 Where he's from and his planet, people cannot lie. 2011 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,600 And at the very end, there's a scene where- 2012 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,760 Because they communicate through holding hands. 2013 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:56,280 Right, right. 2014 01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:57,600 They get all the information. 2015 01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:58,560 All the thoughts, right? 2016 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,960 So they know what is going on in your head 2017 01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,560 and what's the memory of it. 2018 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,080 But at the very end, before he gets on his spaceship 2019 01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:09,560 to go back to his planet, he tells a lie. 2020 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,640 And that's when Jagu and both him, I think, 2021 01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,680 realize that, oh, he's actually become a little bit human 2022 01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,120 during his time on Earth. 2023 01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:16,640 How sweet. 2024 01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,000 He's become a little evil. 2025 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,240 A little bit of a liar. 2026 01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:21,360 He's deceptive. 2027 01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,520 He's just like us now. 2028 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,280 That's so cool. 2029 01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:26,760 Yeah. 2030 01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,120 Takeaways. 2031 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:30,920 Yeah, I mean, that was the whole movie. 2032 01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,600 I enjoyed this movie. 2033 01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,120 I mean, I know when he was saying, 2034 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,000 it looked like I was kind of offended by it. 2035 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,240 I just think it was just kind of iffy. 2036 01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:45,120 It was like I was amazed at how bold the movie was 2037 01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,360 at questioning religious beliefs, considering 2038 01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:53,840 in Indian society, it's deeply rooted in religion. 2039 01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,320 I can understand the controversy that it caused. 2040 01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:01,520 And I think with all the themes that they presented 2041 01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:02,880 and the things that they questioned, 2042 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:07,480 it was quite bold, really bold of them to do that. 2043 01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:12,440 Yeah, I also think that Amir Khan, from what I've seen, 2044 01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:20,880 I think this was his best role. 2045 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,440 From what I've seen in 3 Idiots, I 2046 01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:25,360 thought that was a really cool movie that he was in. 2047 01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,600 But this was a really well-acted movie. 2048 01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,680 It's very Forrest Gump-esque, Rain Man-esque character, 2049 01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:36,480 the eccentric character that the character plays, 2050 01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:38,040 a breakout role of some sort. 2051 01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,200 Yeah, so that was pretty cool. 2052 01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,880 For me, the anecdotal humor, there 2053 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,560 are some humor that was pretty fun for me. 2054 01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:51,240 Like just pulling out, sorry, just selecting some things 2055 01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:59,280 that euphemism and different integracies of human languages, 2056 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,920 he points out as, oh, don't get confused. 2057 01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:08,520 Like last, when he brings his other alien mates to Earth, 2058 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,800 again, he says, OK, when humans say they love chicken or fish, 2059 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,320 that doesn't mean actually they love them. 2060 01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:14,720 They just love to eat them. 2061 01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,400 And if they say, love you, that doesn't 2062 01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:18,960 mean they're going to eat you. 2063 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,640 So this kind of euphemism. 2064 01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,720 And then this kind of hints towards the religion question 2065 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:25,320 as well. 2066 01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:31,080 Like I feel a parallel between that, 2067 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:35,440 OK, like the how linear and straightforward question 2068 01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:39,080 you ask about God, as a kid would ask, 2069 01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,400 can be answered in a twisted way. 2070 01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:42,720 Always there is euphemism. 2071 01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,880 There is metaphor, allegory involved 2072 01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,720 in things when it comes to society, culture, 2073 01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,640 and religion and language. 2074 01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,080 So straightforward, it will not make sense. 2075 01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,560 But if you know the culture, it might make sense. 2076 01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:03,720 So which was kind of antithesis to the film, I felt. 2077 01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:08,320 So that was a little takeaway for me. 2078 01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:13,840 But I really love the quirkiness of the film, 2079 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,760 like how lightly and how innocently 2080 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:24,800 it talked about the problems in society a little bit, 2081 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,400 the religious problems and the Guruji's problem. 2082 01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:32,680 By the way, I can't remember any film where a Guruji, 2083 01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:37,040 this kind of Guruji was a good character from Bollywood. 2084 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,200 Never. 2085 01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:39,880 They're always villains. 2086 01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,000 Were who? 2087 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,680 This kind of Babaji, Guruji's. 2088 01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:43,960 Guru, the spiritual guru figure. 2089 01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,360 The spiritual guru figure. 2090 01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:47,600 They're always villains. 2091 01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:48,720 So would you say Sadguru? 2092 01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,520 So this is like a normal movie plot then. 2093 01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,240 This is like a normal plot then. 2094 01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:53,960 No, no, no. 2095 01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:55,880 Him as a villain is a normal plot. 2096 01:25:55,880 --> 01:26:02,440 He was directly questioning the idol in the temple, 2097 01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:05,360 making fun of God in the Shiva scene. 2098 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,520 So these were what people also got quirked about. 2099 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:13,800 And he was straightforward questioning the religious 2100 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,360 practices as well. 2101 01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,160 So that was controversial. 2102 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,120 Because usually in those films, these gurus 2103 01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:24,440 are shown as fringe element in the religion, 2104 01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:26,240 not the actual religion. 2105 01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:31,240 So that's how you say, oh, this guy is the villain. 2106 01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,720 It's not the system of belief that is the villain. 2107 01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,480 Yeah, I do got to say, it's easy to just point your finger 2108 01:26:37,480 --> 01:26:41,040 at a guru or two and be like, everything else is great 2109 01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,840 except these guys contaminating it. 2110 01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:44,840 Yeah, exactly. 2111 01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:45,720 That's not true. 2112 01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,080 That's the take of most of the films. 2113 01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:53,160 But in this film, he threw him, the director kind of 2114 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,800 questioned, the writer kind of questioned the whole practice, 2115 01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,400 how we see it. 2116 01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,160 So that's why it was controversial. 2117 01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,640 Yeah, that's true. 2118 01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:03,360 Take away winning. 2119 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,040 Would you say Satguru is the villain? 2120 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,640 Yeah, of course. 2121 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:09,760 Do you think he's brat? 2122 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,760 You think PK is brat? 2123 01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:12,280 Brat? 2124 01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:13,000 I'm kidding. 2125 01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,760 Go on, Winnie. 2126 01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:15,920 I mean, I chose the film. 2127 01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,600 So obviously, it holds a very special place in my heart. 2128 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,000 I don't really want to give too much of my interpretation. 2129 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,160 I really just want to urge all the listeners, 2130 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,720 if you haven't watched it, go watch it. 2131 01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:26,640 And put your ego, put your beliefs aside. 2132 01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,320 Just be open to experiencing new things 2133 01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,200 and questioning normalized beliefs. 2134 01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,880 Because I think this movie does a very good job 2135 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:37,440 at questioning even beyond religion, 2136 01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:40,360 just how we operate as humans, how we interact with each other, 2137 01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,600 all the little divisions we've made between religions, 2138 01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,760 but also between men and women, for instance. 2139 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,240 So it really paints how religion has been commercialized 2140 01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,000 and commodified in many ways. 2141 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,280 And I think that's a very big topic in India. 2142 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,680 So I thought that this movie was very bold in the way 2143 01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:56,960 that it depicted it. 2144 01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,440 But I think upon talking with Keeley, 2145 01:27:58,440 --> 01:27:59,960 it seems to be a normal thing. 2146 01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:01,400 There's been many movies about this, 2147 01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,360 about how gurus are corrupt. 2148 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,280 But it still seems like a lot of people worship gurus. 2149 01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:10,600 So even in his end monologue, he talks about how God is hope. 2150 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,760 And I think in India, there's always this need for hope. 2151 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,320 And people really exploit that. 2152 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,960 And I think if this movie helps even one person opens 2153 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,040 their eyes, it's already achieved something 2154 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,120 that many other films don't. 2155 01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:24,800 And you see that throughout the film also, 2156 01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,360 where you have nuns on the screen being like, 2157 01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,880 why would God tell me not to send my young girls to school? 2158 01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,880 Of course, God would want education for everyone. 2159 01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,000 Or like, if you have a direct line to God, 2160 01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,920 why can't you just end India's poverty? 2161 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,440 So these are very basic questions 2162 01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:41,000 that we should be asking before we donate a ton of money 2163 01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,240 to a figure who can never live up to their promises. 2164 01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,120 So yeah, I love this movie. 2165 01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:48,240 I think it's the type of movie that 2166 01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:49,800 makes you think about things. 2167 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,400 I think it's also very philosophical. 2168 01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:52,880 So I remember when he goes to the temple 2169 01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,840 and he starts donating money and asking people about God, 2170 01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,520 it reminded me of Nietzsche in that book, The Gay Science. 2171 01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,360 You have this madman running into the market 2172 01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:02,680 and going, where is God? 2173 01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:03,280 Where is God? 2174 01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,600 And that's also where his famous quote of God is dead 2175 01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:06,760 comes from. 2176 01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:07,760 So it kind of had that. 2177 01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,600 And PK looks like a madman in himself. 2178 01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,520 That's why he got the nickname PK. 2179 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,080 So yeah, I think this movie does a great job. 2180 01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,200 It's questioning blind faith, religious divides, 2181 01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,000 social norms, and blind faith, as I said. 2182 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,800 So yeah, I would definitely rate it in my top three Bollywood 2183 01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:24,280 movies. 2184 01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:24,880 Really? 2185 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,440 Yes, because I am not a fan of tropes and romance 2186 01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:32,400 and unbelievable things, fantasies that 2187 01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,160 underline so many Bollywood plots. 2188 01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,600 I really like realism, political commentary, 2189 01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:37,480 social commentary. 2190 01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:40,080 And this movie delivers in all of that aspects. 2191 01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,720 And the fact that it became so popular despite that, 2192 01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,560 hey, yeah, I think it really speaks 2193 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,160 to the diversity of Bollywood as well. 2194 01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,040 All the films that we've talked about earlier, 2195 01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,120 I think, kind of have that Bollywood trope roped into it. 2196 01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,640 But this is a very unique film to some degree for me. 2197 01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,040 But it still has that kind of fanatical aspect 2198 01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,400 of an alien landing on Earth. 2199 01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,120 And yeah. 2200 01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:02,600 Would you watch it for fun? 2201 01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:03,520 Absolutely. 2202 01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,640 This is my definition of fun. 2203 01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,000 Yeah, I remember watching the film. 2204 01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,560 And you and Nikki were just kind of so serious. 2205 01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,080 And I was like, why are you all laughing? 2206 01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,240 We were so worried you were going to get canceled. 2207 01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:15,240 Like, he's chasing Lord Shiva in the bathroom. 2208 01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:16,800 Why is this not funny? 2209 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,640 Because we're like, we have to talk about this eventually. 2210 01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,600 I remember Adam's initial reaction. 2211 01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,080 Oh my god, it's religion. 2212 01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:23,920 We need to talk. 2213 01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:25,160 We need to talk about it. 2214 01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,960 So this is the first film that I've picked for the podcast. 2215 01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:30,840 And I have a feeling it might be my last. 2216 01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:31,720 No, no, no. 2217 01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:32,360 I like it. 2218 01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:32,960 That's not happening. 2219 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,120 It's going to make sense. 2220 01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,680 I think once again, we all reveal our picks over time. 2221 01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:39,680 It's going to be so clear where all of us 2222 01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,400 are coming from in this. 2223 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,040 But no, no, I think it's all right. 2224 01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:45,720 I think it's good. 2225 01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,360 Like I said, I think it's a lot better 2226 01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,800 than a lot of the American stuff, where 2227 01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,960 if it does talk about religion, they usually 2228 01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,120 aren't very good at poking holes too much. 2229 01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,040 Or if it is a religious film itself, 2230 01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,720 it is just incredibly victimized and defensive right away, 2231 01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:07,080 instead of willing to be a little introspective 2232 01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,960 and examine its practices and stuff. 2233 01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:11,840 So I think it was good. 2234 01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,120 I think the main actor is super ripped. 2235 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:19,920 I think that was nice, especially at his age. 2236 01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:21,720 And it was pretty funny. 2237 01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:23,040 So I enjoyed it. 2238 01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:26,600 It totally makes sense as a Winnie film to pick. 2239 01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:28,960 Would you guys agree that if all aliens are ripped like that, 2240 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,200 they should just invade Earth? 2241 01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,640 They should invade Earth. 2242 01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:36,760 I think we have a lot to learn about how they do that. 2243 01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,920 We should juxtapose with the first statement Winnie did. 2244 01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,760 What? 2245 01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:45,800 If all aliens are this ripped, they should invade Earth. 2246 01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:51,280 I was going to say really quick, with this and Jawan, 2247 01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,760 we're getting a little pattern of pointing out problems, 2248 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:58,840 but not giving any answers really, which is cool. 2249 01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,120 But we'll see if this keeps popping up. 2250 01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,640 Yeah, that's what artists do. 2251 01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,440 They put out questions. 2252 01:32:06,440 --> 01:32:08,520 The answers are from philosophers. 2253 01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,920 There is no objective answers to these questions. 2254 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:12,640 You have to form the answers yourself. 2255 01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,440 I think there's some objective answers sometimes. 2256 01:32:14,440 --> 01:32:15,520 I think we could find that. 2257 01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,920 But people are less likely to believe objective answers. 2258 01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,880 They have to arrive at the conclusion themselves. 2259 01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,480 Then that would be a real controversial. 2260 01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:22,960 That would be a real controversial. 2261 01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,480 This movie comes out as like, I'm God. 2262 01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:28,320 But you plant enough seeds of question into people's brains, 2263 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,800 and they will arrive at the conclusion 2264 01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:31,880 that you intended them to arrive at, which I think 2265 01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:33,720 this movie does very well. 2266 01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:35,280 Which is what? 2267 01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,480 Which is form your own beliefs. 2268 01:32:37,480 --> 01:32:38,880 Don't blindly follow people. 2269 01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,680 If you're going to believe in God, believe in God for what 2270 01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:42,200 God is. 2271 01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:43,880 Don't believe in humans that talk to God. 2272 01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:44,720 You can talk to God. 2273 01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:46,000 You don't need intermediaries. 2274 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,520 Like you said, you don't need humans. 2275 01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:49,240 You don't need you. 2276 01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,880 Yeah, also listen to small aliens. 2277 01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:52,760 That's the most important. 2278 01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,320 And also aliens are hot, this movie has told us. 2279 01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,840 And they're not necessarily green. 2280 01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,600 Yeah, big surprise for me on that one, actually. 2281 01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:02,440 Interesting. 2282 01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:03,760 Well, that closes out. 2283 01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,040 Where did those huge grapes come from, behind me? 2284 01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:07,680 Oh, I went to buy it. 2285 01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:08,360 Oh, OK. 2286 01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,600 Well, we're going to go eat our momos and grapes. 2287 01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:12,600 We're going to go eat momos and grapes 2288 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,960 and watch the next movie. 2289 01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:16,240 Talk to you guys soon. 2290 01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:17,360 Thank you, everyone. 2291 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:18,360 Thank you. 2292 01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:20,360 Bye!