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Welcome to Fear of Stairs, Desi Films Decoded. The podcast where four friends from different backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema. I'm Winnie, the Desi who's never been to India.

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Hi, I'm Kili. I'm the film enthusiast from India.

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I'm Nicky, the culture kid from Thailand.

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I'm Adam, the western film buff. And this week I learned that the perfect child is the one that sings a song in front of all his classmates and makes white people cry and stand up and if you can do that you'll make any Indian parent proud.

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So Kili, what did we watch today? What did we choose?

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So today we are, we watched Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gam. It's a Karan Johar film by his Dharma Production.

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It's one of those Bollywood blockbusters that got very popular amongst Indians and also Indians who were living abroad.

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It was very much focused on Indian diaspora and then it's also a cultural phenomena because it kind of changed or I mean it kind of solidified the direction of certain Bollywood blockbusters going to go from then on.

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And yeah, so it's the most Bollywood Bollywood film like one of the most Bollywood Bollywood films.

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I think, would you say it's like a tradition, is as traditional as Bollywood can get?

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No, it started a new tradition. It's a cultural milestone. It started kind of, it's kind of solidified a new tradition in Bollywood films.

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Can you give some context to on the directors, K. Joe and his father?

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Yeah, Karan Johar is big. Like he has this, he makes this huge production value film that they were like pretty box office success.

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And he used to have all these big stars in the film, like all star written. It's not one or two stars. It's like multiple stars in one single film.

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And big, huge production value, like exaggerated life style, exaggerated melodrama. It's like Indian culture, tradition, mishmash of that. And everything is on steroids.

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So his first film was actually Kuch Kuch Hota Hit, which was released a few years before Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Gum. And it also has Shah Rukh Khan and Kajol as like the main cast.

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So that I think was like the biggest, the biggest grossing film in India at that time. And then Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Gum came out and then that became the highest grossing film.

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So all the, many of the films that he produced early on, ended up being like the biggest hits in India. So very monumental director.

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What about Yash though? What did he do?

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I actually didn't know that his father was the producer until we watched Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Gum last night. And then his name came up in the credits. And Kili and I thought, okay, maybe they're brothers. But yeah, it turns out he's the father.

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No, I looked it up. His dad's a big famous director. Like he's a kind of a nepo baby, Kajol.

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Because like his dad was a big, big, a Bollywood guy.

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Oh yeah, he did Silcila.

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Well, that would explain how he got…

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Yeah, his father was big, but not as big as his son.

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How he got such a famous cast for his first movie. Because usually directors have to build a bit of a reputation before they can get people like Shahrukh Khan and Kajol to star in their movies. But his very first film was already like a mega cast.

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That's why I looked into it because, yeah, so this is the second film, right?

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And if you have like this budget and this cast and yeah, like a similar cast to the first film, there's got to be some explanation. It's not like a real first time director.

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So I looked it up and his dad is big director, big producer. Kajol went to really nice schools, studied abroad, came back, worked under his dad's production company and then took over the dad's production company when the father passed away.

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So like his film career is a family business as well. He's taking it from his father just like this movie we saw. And he grew up extremely wealthy and extremely well connected.

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So like he's he this is like a peak in the world he was actually living in, I think. He does write what he knows.

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Wondering if the father son dynamic that showcased in the movie is actually representative of his relationship with his father.

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I will touch on that in my theory at the end. After we wrap up, I think I have the key that unlocks this plot. But yeah, should we start?

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I just want to go over the characters of the person foremost. Like so we have a big family, right?

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There's Shahrukh Khan as Rahul, Raichan. So basically there's a Raichan family, right?

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It's like the succession family. The what was we always going to keep bringing up? What was the way star, right?

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So like they have a right a big company, a big conglomerate family name like succession.

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Yeah, there's a big company. They live in a big house. It all sent this movie all centers in the in one in one family.

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And there's Shahrukh Khan as Rahul, Hrithik Roshan as Rohan, Kareena Kapoor as Pooja, Amitabh Bachchan as Yash, Jaya Bachchan as Nandini.

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And then you have Kajol as Anjali and Rani. And then I think it's a special guest appearance, right? Rani Mukherjee as Naina Kapoor, right?

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Wait, before we move on, Nikki, good job pronouncing the names. Very good.

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A few Bollywood films in and you're becoming one of us. Thank you so much. Yeah. So I was in the mother and the mother, the mother.

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I did say that right. Jaya Bachchan is Nandini. Did I? Did I say that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. OK.

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And then we also have like the nanny, right? Farida Jalal as Saeeda. She's a really famous actor from Bollywood.

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Did I cover everybody? Like so you have so basically you have the father, the father, the mother, the patriarch, the matriarch.

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You have the eldest son who who's adopted, right, which is Shahrukh Khan, which is Shahrukh Khan.

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And then he's he marries the he marries Kajol, who is the woman who is social, who's of a lower socioeconomic class. Right.

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And then you have what else? You have the fat kid who becomes a very handsome man.

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Rohan and then and then the woman that Shahrukh Khan is supposed to marry.

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So yeah, I want to say something about that. So the name Rahul.

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So Karan Johar started like this films like where he was like Shahrukh Khan also was named Rahul in Kuch Kuch Hotha.

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Rani Mukherjee and Kajol, where he gets married to Rani Mukherjee first and then Rani Mukherjee dies.

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So we see like it's like a self referencing his first film kind of kind of way.

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Right. Like when he's dancing with Kajol in one of the romance song. Right. Yeah.

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Yeah. It uses one of the song, very popular song from his previous film.

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Yeah. But it's really cool that like Shahrukh Khan's name is actually Rahul in that movie and Kajol's name is also Anjali.

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So they really carried on both characters names into this film.

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So is that is that really a thing that they do in a lot of Bollywood movies?

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Sometimes it's too much into the story referencing other films.

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I think so. I used to make this comparison because I listened to a lot of hip hop and people asked me why.

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And I said because it was I thought it was very similar to Hollywood. Right.

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Mostly like rock bands and stuff. You have your own album and it's just songs that you play.

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You don't really have guest features and you just release it as this band statement.

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But if you're a hip hop artist, you bounce around other projects on your album.

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You have songs featuring other people. That's like many movies, you know, where you have different actors come in and do cameos.

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And you have producers, which are like directors. Right.

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And in hip hop, when you have a certain song come out, you know who the producer is, you know, who like the guest star is.

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You know who like the guest stars are and stuff and the drama and the characters in hip hop are very similar to Hollywood.

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Until I saw like Indian cinema and how self referential Indian cinema is.

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And it's got nothing. Hollywood's got nothing on that.

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And so like the way hip hop like references other hip hop songs and every and if you're in the scene like new hip hop songs come out and they'll reference songs that came out that year.

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And you're always referencing others hits or songs or people in the industry that you don't really see in other musical genres.

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And I think you see that a lot in the Indian films, too, where like they reference other movies that came out.

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They reference other actors, other like romantic scenarios they bring back.

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And it's just very self referential and meta, which I've never seen before, which is very interesting.

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Even the same actor like playing the role like what role he played in previous films, bringing that reference of that character.

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Yeah, they bring the context and baggage of what they did before in the movie, which most Hollywood movies don't have.

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And I think of many of the films we've watched now has actually referenced the Fear of Stairs movie that this podcast is named based off.

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What's the name of the movie, Killy?

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Hum Aap Ke Hai Kaun.

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Right, right. I think in a previous movie they were watching it.

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And in this movie you mentioned that there was a song that was from that movie as well.

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So that totally took me by surprise. I was like, oh, yeah, I remember that song.

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Like, I didn't realize that Bollywood could do that sort of thing where they bring songs from other movies and implement them into other movies.

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That's that's news. They have to buy the rights.

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Yeah, well, that's fine. But they're sampling like these movies are sampling other movies the way like hip hop samples, songs and stuff.

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And it's pretty cool. Like they're building on top of each other in a way that and we haven't seen that many films already yet.

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And they've already it's very insensual already. They're already referencing on top of each other.

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So I imagine the more we go out, the more we'll see that build on each other.

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So kick us off, Nicky.

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OK, so you have Yash.

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This is Yash is the patriarch of this whole family.

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Light bulb. Also, his father's name is Yash. Yeah.

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So he's being very personal on this film. Like, I'll get into it later.

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But the brief research I did, like, I think this is an incredibly personal movie.

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Yes. The patriarch is named after the actual patriarch of the production company and his dad, Yash.

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Yeah. So what does this company do? Like, so we we we can get from money laundering.

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So you're telling him the get go that this guy, he's he's well dressed, he's like very powerful man. He's like a business tycoon of some sort.

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I do not know. Yeah, he was gifted money and land and then sat on it and money just comes to him and he wears nice clothes and does nothing and fires people occasionally when he visits the office and he just collects money and lives in a mansion.

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That house was the most beautiful house I've ever seen.

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And he talks about ethics and stuff, so you could pretty much assume, yeah, it's like a money laundering or scam call center or some type of illegal activity that allowed to build this wealth.

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Yeah. And I think this is in Delhi, right? So I think is it Delhi? I think it's in Delhi. But Delhi doesn't have mountains.

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So there is one thing like I can't like ever like geographically pinpoint where it is from because there is one dialogue that kind of there is one dialogue that kind of references that oh, you are the most beautiful girl in Delhi or something like the daily is mentioned in one of the dialogues, right?

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And the Chutney chalk Chutney chalk is in Delhi like the old daily call part. And it's kind of like how they wanted to portray the economic class of that area and everything.

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But where is a mountain in Delhi like where they were living in that thing that was like surrounded by hills and stuff. Right.

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When you watch the Transformers movie, the one with Mark Wahlberg, like when it cuts to him in the intro, it says Texas, USA, right? Yeah, this is the same vibe where it's just an idea. It's not a place. Yeah.

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I think after all the Bollywood movies we've watched now, we can kind of agree that realism is not its strongest suit.

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Can we start with the very, very, very beginning like with the family staring at the camera and telling you what the movie is about?

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Oh, yeah. The difference between the mother and father love. Yes. Can we please discuss that? Because again, there's no subtlety and they and they just tell you looking at you in the eye before it starts.

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This is the movie and then they kick into it. OK, so I guess. OK. All right. I think the biggest thing about this whole movie is that the theme, the theme center around this movie is like we have to honor and respect our parents.

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Is that the whole message? That's the whole takeaway. Right. Yeah. That's the whole thing. It starts off with a thank you to his grandparents.

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And then it goes into the patriarch and matric of the movie saying how much they love their son. Yeah. And that love is like the strongest thing in the world.

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And also showcasing the different kind of love that mothers and fathers give to their sons in Indian households. Right. So the mother is kind of like talking about how she's so open about it and the son knows it.

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And the father is like, well, I don't really show it, but I expect that he knows it. So it's also kind of highlighting the difference from the get go.

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We understand that Yash's family, he sends his sons to boarding schools. They would come back. Right.

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With I think it was like an MBA degree. And then so Rohan comes back and then he finds out that Raul is adopted and he is living abroad with his wife who plays a very important role in the story because this this wife played by Kajol.

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She is from a lower socioeconomic status. And, you know, apparently the family does not approve of that. They do not approve of the, you know, if you're not of the same class, it's unacceptable.

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And then we get this this this. I think the funny part is that we get this whole scenario where they tell in flashback.

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It was like a whole flashback that takes like half of the movie's length. That's it. That's insane. I don't. Yeah. And just quickly to just to touch on it.

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So Kajol again, this is my first introduction to all these actors and stuff, but she is like a megastar. Yeah. And like she clearly jumps off the screen.

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She's got presence to burn. She walks so Mila Kunis could run like she is the proto Mila Kunis. Like she's like got like she's beautiful and got attitude and is super funny.

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And I just totally understand where Shadr Khan loves her and just instantly was like this girl is like incredible. And I just want to call her out.

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Like she stands out. She's such a star. I love her. I really like it because she's like so free spirited. Right. In the movie.

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She's the original manic pixie girl. We talked about it like she is like this mysterious woman that like has opinions and ideas that I'm so attracted to that.

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But she pulls it off extremely well. And you feel that she's just it bodies that and I loved it. There's Adam's romantic confession right there. Yeah.

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I mean I until we find someone better than casual I'm a casual stand for life. Yes. So so one of the things that I don't understand is that Rohan comes back right as a fully formed adult and he does not know that his brother is adopted.

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How does that happen. How do you go your whole life not knowing. So that that that the show in the flashback of the flashback that they they they adopted the adopted Shah Rukh Rahul when he was one day old.

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Not much older one day old. And then they told him at when he was eight years of age that he was adopted. But then they decided that topic will never be discussed in the home and no one will ever bring that topic up.

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And be that guy being the dictator of that house whenever he says something everyone has to follow that. So no one even mentioned that he is adopted. So that's not that was never in the conversation ever.

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So that's why that younger brother never knew that his elder brother was adopted. So something interesting about this flashback within a flashback is the kid that plays Shah Rukh Khan is actually his real life son.

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Oh yeah. So the part when Amitabh Bachchan is telling him that he's adopted. That's his son. So it's a very personal movie. Yeah it seems like it's incredibly personal movie.

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Now I wonder if the kid who played Rikthik Roshan is also his son but they look wildly different. So he's like 29 years old.

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Is that the son of Shah Rukh Khan's son? No no no the kid who played Rikthik. Yeah so let's touch upon that a little bit. The fat kid. The fat kid. And this is very much highlighted throughout the movie. They call him Laddu.

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They fat shame him. They fat shame him to no end. Yeah he has one personality trait which is he eats. And even Shah Rukh Khan just says like hey fatty guess what mom loves me more. And that's it. And the kid is just a little fat little roly poly.

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Which they try to show in the movie. No shade on him. But the only thing they talk about and the only thing the mom knows about her own son is that he likes to eat snacks. So I think this is a bit of a culture shock for non-Indians.

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I can see how it's very surprising how he keeps getting called out for being fat. But this is actually very normal for Indian households. If anyone's just kind of chubby they'll just keep calling the child Mota which means fat or Laddu which is like that round dessert.

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And it's kind of used in an endearing way. It's not necessarily like they're fat shaming him. But I can see how as an adult that could affect a child's self-esteem. But yeah culturally it's just kind of accepted and endearing.

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I mean it affected this character because he changed his whole life. Yeah so you can see it's kind of effective because he turned from that to Rick DeGrosse.

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So this movie came out in 2001 though. And in America too like all the movies were very body shaming as well. All the female actors at the time were like incredibly skinny.

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If you look at the hottie or naughty movie with Paris Hilton which is in Thailand right now the top 10 free movies on Plex. So it's still being watched. But they're like rail thin and the naughty is just like barely fatter than Paris Hilton who's a stick and they body shame her.

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You know it was a pretty bad time in 2001 for anyone with curves. But this kid just gets like railed on. And the sadder thing is that he has no personality beyond that. Right. And the funny thing is that he keeps getting called out for being fat but they also keep feeding him.

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That also happens in Indian households where like you get shamed if you are fat but then you also get shamed if you don't eat the food. It's like offensive. It sounds like getting shamed is a constant. It doesn't matter what you do.

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So the story is being told through flashback about how you know Shahrukh Khan's character gets banished with his wife. It comes in a helicopter too right. I mean like I feel like I think significant for me because it's like it shows the amount of wealth this family has.

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Yep. It's absurd not even rich people do that. Like kids shower comes like jumping out of a helicopter alone. No one's there to greet him like it's just like looks like they all have individual helicopter taxis they're jumping out of and stuff and running to their big manners to like continue to do nothing because all they can do is just have different festivals and celebrations because they do nothing. They do nothing.

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And what I love is that the matriarch she has this mother's instinct where like she'll like turn around and she can sense when the characters when her sons are coming in.

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It's only for the it was only shown for the elder son. The elder son only shown for the younger son. Yeah it's like you see that in the beginning where he comes off in a helicopter and then you'll see that later on near the end where he goes in the mall when when Rohan tricks the parents into visiting them.

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Yeah I think it's funny. And then like with the with the with the with the mother sense you also have like a bunch of fans around the characters. Yeah. That's a very visual cue like whenever something emotional going to happen the air blows with the wind.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's I think it's pretty funny in a way but also also a very nice touch when it comes to your movie. Fantastical touch.

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So in the movie shower can likes to joke to to her his younger brother Rohan that that the mom loves him more than he then she loves Rohan.

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So I guess her mom instincts only work for him because that might be true. And that's brought up again like Rohan brings it up later on in the film as well.

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Yeah. Yeah. Our mom does love you more than she loves me. That's why you have to come back. Yeah. Even though he's adopted.

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Yeah. And they talk the whole time about what good sons they are like the only thing they do talk about even when like they're away from home is hey dad hey mom I love you I'm being a great son I'll see you soon and they're like man you're such a good kid like we love you you're the best son in the world.

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They have no further conversation besides he's just the best son because they just love each other and it's sweet. Yeah.

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And so so Raul is coming back from his studies in a helicopter and as we do as we do and we're I guess he's I mean he comes back because he's it's been arranged that if there's an arrangement arranged marriage happening right he's going to also like his studies finished and his father is like introducing him to the business that they do.

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Oh yes. Right. I don't know because he never did the business became part of the business so we also have an audience they were new on the business was.

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I think it was funny.

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Yeah. So, and they're. Yeah. The father.

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The father stops already not doing work and says give that non work to my eldest son he's a really good boy let him do nothing instead and so he's passing on the family business.

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And then we cut straight to like the town square or some sort and then like we are introduced to casuals character. She's like this really like energetic upbeat character, and jolly right.

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And she is, I think she's like comes. She has like a her she has a shop, it's like the sweets shop. And I think straight out the bat I think we were, I think me and Adam were really charmed by her, her character because she's like so, how do you say perfect in every way.

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I feel like, I don't know how to say it's like she's not, it's not very like she's not very like print like elegant princessy she's more like a more. She's not a fragile woman fragile woman yeah she's quirky she's quirky, she's adorable.

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Yes, every Bollywood movie we see just looks more and more like new girl, and for the fact kids story to I told the wedding looks just like Schmidt when he had his fat boy period and then grows up to be like a good looking guy that gets married to an Indian woman.

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I think she, I think it's also important to note that she comes from this place called the Chinese. Yeah, what is what is Chinese.

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It's an old old colony in Delhi.

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Old space it's a, oh, yeah.

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It's next to Jama Masjid. And that's a very old Masjid, like a mosque sorry, yeah mosque in Delhi.

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So, yeah, it has good food it's a kind of a mix of all come in different communities that they show in the film that all the neighbors are Muslim Hindus are all living together in harmony and then stuff like that.

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So it's a, it's a old part of Delhi. Yeah, and it's, it belongs to like a lower social economic class that sort of thing.

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Yeah, I mean, lower compared to the fucking industrialist yeah for sure. But yeah, they put her as a poor person but she's not business communities, a mix of.

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It goes from middle class to lower middle class. Yeah. So the, the woman that was the helper for this rich family, Sayida, Sayida. Yeah. Yeah. So she's like casual neighbor and almost like her, her mother figure right throughout the movie so I guess they would be of the

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same class level which is maybe more of the help to the rich family. Right. She plays the nanny. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so, you know,

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Rahul meets her Rahul meets Anjali they fall in love. I mean there's a little bit of misunderstanding. And what I really like about this whole aspect is that this is not the first time Shahrukh Khan and Khaju were on screen together right they've had shared like a bit of chemistry

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between each other. Yeah, yeah, from 92. Yeah. Yeah. And DDLJ. But there was a film before that, Kili, you mentioned. Bazziger. Bazziger. Okay. It was the first blockbuster from Shahrukh Khan. Right. Yeah. So, and then, you know, that is the central conflict of the story right that.

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So basically Yash, the patriarchy does not approve of their love, you know, he thinks that Rahul is going to marry the woman that they set him up with. Yeah. And I think we get like another, I love these dramatic moments where like they do the zoom in shots and then they realize, oh no, that's not what I intended to do.

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Rahul was like, I'm in love with this other woman. And like, it's so funny because in that scene right, I think the, I don't remember her name but the one that he that Rahul was supposed to marry. Nayana. Nayana. She, she kind of like realizes, okay, he doesn't love me. He doesn't love me and they kind of quickly resolve that where she's like, it's okay, nothing's gonna happen.

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She has, she says that Rahul doesn't love her like she loves the guy. So she's like, you need to move on. I cannot marry a guy who doesn't love me.

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But the dad says no, shut that down, ignore the woman's feelings and marry her. Yeah. But that was a very emotionally mature conversation they had between Nayana and Rahul right when she's just like, I love you but that doesn't mean you have to love me back. And like she kind of sets him free of that obligation.

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It's very hard-warming.

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You're not obligated to.

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But the dad says you are obligated to, and you're obligated to love me, and you're obligated

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to compromise everything you believe in, and everyone's obligated to compromise so that

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I don't have my feelings hurt for one moment.

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So Rahul was, I think initially Rahul was like, okay, I'll follow what my dad says.

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I won't marry Anjali.

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But then suddenly we get this big plot twist that Anjali's father died.

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And that would mean that she would be like an orphan, and she would have nowhere to go.

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And I think that's what causes Rahul to marry her so that she has somewhere to belong.

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Is that what I'm getting right?

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That can be a reading into it because the way he puts her hand on her head kind of scene

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kind of denotes that, but with kind of an antithesis of like she running a business

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by herself while the father was already sick from the beginning of the film.

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That also then, the reading could be like it's just like she just had a heartbreak from

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like father died right now.

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He cannot just leave her, like break the news that he cannot marry her.

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So I think she chooses her over the father.

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I really read it as how, okay, like her father is this male figure in her life takes care

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of her and now she's just lost that.

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So when he puts his hand on her head, it's almost a bit like paternalistic in a way.

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It's kind of like, yeah, I'm going to be the one who steps in and takes care of you now.

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I'll be your zaddy.

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That's one good looking zaddy.

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And then they finally get married and then suddenly, you know, Yash gets hit with the

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news and that's where we get to see the banishment, the banishment where he's like, okay, I rewatched

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it, the scene and I don't think he said anything.

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He actually didn't say anything to Shah Rukh Khan about whether like you should get away

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from here.

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I don't think he said anything like that.

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I'm not sure, but like, I think he kind of alluded that you are not my son.

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You're not my son.

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He disowned him.

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He just proved and he doubled down on him being adopted.

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That was the biggest blow.

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It was that I told them when we were watching this together, it's the end scene of There

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Will Be Blood, except it's like the first third of the movie where the dad is like,

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you're not my son.

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You're adopted.

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You're a boy in a ham basket.

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Like, get the fuck out of my house.

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And then Shah Rukh Khan has the most glamorous life in London as a punishment.

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But then when Yash kind of disowns him, you see the mother is really sad about it.

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She does not agree with it.

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But when she tries to mildly push back, Yash just says his kind of like signature line,

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I said it, then I, that's it.

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Kili, baby, do you want to try saying that in Hindi?

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Yeah, that's Yash's email signature too.

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I said what I said.

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So you also kind of see the failure of the mother to kind of stand up to her husband

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for the sake of her son in this scene.

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And we get like this hot wrench.

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So we get this hot wrenching moment where, okay, he gets banished.

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Rahul gets banished along with Anjali.

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And Anjali is like, she was begging, like, we didn't get father's blessing or something.

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That was like really important.

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And you know, you have this tearful moment that they're, okay, he's being disowned.

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We cut to the present day.

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We find out that, okay, so this is the thing that took me and Adam by surprise, I believe.

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It's like when we thought that Rahul was banished, we thought like, okay, he would have nothing

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to live for.

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Like he would be poor.

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No, but no, he's living just fine in London.

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It's better than fine.

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It's better than fine.

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He has for some reason in London, it's where everyone else is living in townhomes, even

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the richest people ever.

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He has, again, a palatial mansion, has multiple servants, multiple like corvettes and cars.

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Like they are living the life, again, doing nothing that we're aware of.

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We have no idea what his business is.

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They don't seem to be-

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He goes to a job.

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Like he gets ready in the morning.

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At least he gets ready in the morning.

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Well, he gets ready.

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He wears a tie.

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So, you know, he does something that involves wearing ties.

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But they make a ton of money doing, being socialites in London.

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And for some reason, this is just heart wrenching because dad is angry back home.

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You get to see this fancy ass like, I don't even think it's a London home.

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It's not real.

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It's a set.

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It's so majestic.

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It's so grand.

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And like, I'm like, dude, if I have, if I banish from my family, but I have all this

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money I can use abroad, I don't care, man.

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I don't want to come back.

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I'm not going to come back at all.

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So what's better, this awesome life in London or your dad being happy and you like run his

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corporation?

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Like, I think they're fine.

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And one thing, so they do take their time to like shit on all their neighbors and their

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British neighbors and stuff.

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Like even their maid is like these stupid British people, which reminded me, there's this like

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Indian, and I, and I heard the same myth in Nepal.

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So I looked it up because I thought it was a Nepalese myth, but now I think it's like

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just a general Indian myth of some Maharaja wants to go buy like a Rolls Royce.

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Yes.

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In England.

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And they're like, no, you're just a poor commoner.

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You're an Indian.

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We're not going to give it to you.

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He gets super mad.

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He buys 10 of them, brings them back to India and then uses the Rolls Royce is to clean

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the streets.

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When I was in Nepal, they told me the story.

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So I thought this was a Nepalese story, but it turns out could be a bunch of Maharajas

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in India.

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So I think it's fake.

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But I was just kept remembering that story watching this because it's the same thing.

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It's like these guys that owned us, you know, they colonized us.

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Now we're in their neighborhood shitting on them.

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We're cleaning the streets with their Corvettes and stuff.

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Like this is the ultimate power move of like conquering your conquerors.

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Govrishi Sunak.

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Oh my God.

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And they go to university and they're getting ready for prom, which is not a thing.

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Okay.

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So we should bring this up then.

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They'll be in their economy now.

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One of our sisters is in theirs.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there were like a lot of elements that weren't really British.

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It was so American.

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Yeah.

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It was a lot of like, so we keep bringing up like, okay, so like Pooja lives with them

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as well.

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Karina Kapoor's character.

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She's a Valley girl now.

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She's a Valley girl.

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Full diva.

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She's like, she looks like Paris Hilton in some ways.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's 2001.

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It's this exact moment.

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So she is recreating Clueless and Paris Hilton, but at a university campus in London.

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King's College.

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In King's College.

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And they're going to have prom, which is not a university thing.

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And that's a strictly American high school thing.

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I don't think British people have proms, which is just a dance you have in high school.

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It's not a big deal.

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It's definitely not in university.

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But what I think they obviously congealed white culture.

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And what I was also thinking too is because they watch so many in India in real life,

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they watch so many foreign movies, British and American, but the voices are dubbed by

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the same Indian actors.

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So they, I don't think can tell the difference between the accents.

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They're not listening to British people.

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Hugh Grant sounds the same as Tom Cruise in their movies.

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Yeah.

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Probably like they don't differentiate the accents.

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So when they watch these white people films, it doesn't matter if it's England or America,

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it's the same place.

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Also, like when, even if you're watching films with subtitles, that time subtitle was not

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really a thing.

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I don't know.

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But either way, like I can't pick up on Indian accents either.

371
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:46,080
So even if I was presented with that, I want to know.

372
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,240
I think like the vast majority of Indians probably understand English and just watch

373
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:52,720
like Western movies in English.

374
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,880
I'd say maybe, okay, let's say half half, but I think Adam's right in that, like the

375
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,800
white culture kind of gets mashed up.

376
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,360
But they probably want it to happen in England because in like India has closer ties with

377
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,360
England, right?

378
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,480
But because Hollywood is kind of the dominating scene of white culture, they kind of put elements

379
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,840
of Hollywood into England, which felt like a mashup.

380
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,840
Yeah.

381
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,440
They go to white people land and do prom in a college with a Corvette.

382
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,440
And yeah.

383
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,440
Yeah.

384
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,440
Yeah.

385
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:26,120
The most, and then you see all these kids, kids in quotation marks, like they're dressed

386
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,280
in like this, the most Y2K fashion imaginable.

387
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,200
And then like, yeah.

388
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:38,040
So basically Pooja sees Rohan, Rohan.

389
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:43,720
So Rohan has flown to the UK just to look in search of Rahul.

390
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:44,720
Rohan's the fat kid.

391
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:45,720
Rohan's the fat kid.

392
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:49,080
But now he's so handsome, ridiculously good looking.

393
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,080
Ripped.

394
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:57,120
And like he lied to his parents that he was going to go study abroad and they were like,

395
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,120
okay, fine.

396
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,520
But no, he's going to take all this time to search for his brother.

397
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,560
And Pooja does notice him.

398
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,560
Right.

399
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,080
And then like we get this like, she doesn't know who it is.

400
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,280
She doesn't know who it is, but how does she find out that she's attracted to him?

401
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,280
She's attracted to him.

402
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,640
But then like we get this like really cute musical number.

403
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,480
I think you met, I think Winnie, you mentioned that it wasn't really a hit.

404
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,520
I'm not sure like that song.

405
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,520
Yeah, Kili and I both forgot that song exists in the film.

406
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,320
So I don't think it was as popular as the rest of it.

407
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,320
Yeah.

408
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,440
But by the end of that song, we get this like really cute interaction.

409
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,440
Cute.

410
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,440
I don't know.

411
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:41,720
So there was this tongue twister when what that Pooja, when she was a little kid, she

412
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:50,400
asked the, she asked the, she asked Rohan to say that tongue twister, right?

413
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,240
And he couldn't.

414
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,760
What is the tongue twister, Kili?

415
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:02,400
I don't know if that's right or wrong.

416
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,400
Right.

417
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,400
None of us know.

418
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,400
We don't speak Hindi.

419
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,400
Congratulations.

420
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,280
Please write in with a five star review of Kili nailed that or not.

421
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,040
Now go get your Karina Kapoor.

422
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,040
Yeah.

423
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:19,200
So that now Rohan growing up being all sleek and handsome, he can finally say the tongue

424
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,200
twister.

425
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,520
So that's how she understands that.

426
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,280
Oh, it's that guy.

427
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,280
Yeah.

428
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,680
Now I want to, now that this is a very good time to bring this up.

429
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,680
What is the actor's name again?

430
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Ritik Roshan.

431
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,680
Yeah.

432
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,680
I'm going to say that wrong.

433
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,840
So I'm not going to say it, but he's, he's Rahul in the movie.

434
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,960
He's a super ripped, good looking, but Kili did point this out.

435
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,840
He has an extra appendage on his hand.

436
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,440
Oh, he has, he has an extra thumb.

437
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,520
He has an extra thumb, which you don't notice until it's pointed out.

438
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,520
And then it's the only thing you can stare at, which is fine.

439
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Not a big deal.

440
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Great.

441
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,320
Again, no shade.

442
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,280
However, if the movie is about people not recognizing you and you have the most recognizable

443
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,840
feature, let's not forget, if we go back to the princess bride movie, you remember when

444
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,480
like the guy's looking for the guy with six fingers because it's the most recognizable

445
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,920
thing anyone could have.

446
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,600
If you're in the movie with a character that has six fingers and you just have no clue

447
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,920
that this guy is possibly like the guy you grew up with, that's fishy.

448
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,360
So I don't mind him being in movies or whatever.

449
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,840
He totally deserves to be a star.

450
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,600
He's great looking, but it speaks to like, he, he, he knows he's a nepo baby too, because

451
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,840
there is no way that he should be in this part of the story.

452
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,280
If with that, you need, you need to incorporate it.

453
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,280
You cannot ignore that.

454
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,120
Well, I don't think it's ever pointed out throughout the film that he has an extra thumb.

455
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,520
This is just like a fact about the actor, right?

456
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,520
It has to be.

457
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,440
Like every time Arnold Schwarzenegger is in a movie and no one points out his accent,

458
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,600
I disagree with that too, because it's weird.

459
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,600
Okay.

460
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,600
But he's acted in multiple movies.

461
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,960
Many of them which are famous.

462
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,800
It's kind of hard to like always integrate the fact that he has an extra thumb into the

463
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,800
plot.

464
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,960
It will kind of take away.

465
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:09,580
I feel like when there are other films and he's just there as a, like a character who

466
00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:11,560
has extra finger, it's okay.

467
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,560
Fine.

468
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,280
He has a younger version who didn't have that finger.

469
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,280
Right.

470
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,440
So either, either.

471
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,680
And here people are trying to recognize who that guy is.

472
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,920
And then you have that and then that's kind of.

473
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:25,920
That's where it falls apart.

474
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,040
Again, if he's in another movie and he's not, and people just recognize him for who he is,

475
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,320
fine, has no conflict.

476
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,920
You don't need to bring up his extra thumb, but this is pretty important.

477
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,300
So either you attach it to him as a fat kid or you make everyone in the movie also have

478
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:42,520
six fingers.

479
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,280
So it's a normal trait that everyone in this movie has and it makes them unrecognizable.

480
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,280
Either one.

481
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,280
I go for the latter.

482
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,760
The latter definitely makes more sense.

483
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:51,920
Everyone should just have an extra thumb.

484
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:57,240
I think everyone should have had six fingers in this and then it's impossible to know.

485
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:01,520
Honestly when I, when, when Keely mentioned that he has an extra thumb, I really tried,

486
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,760
I tried really hard to look at his hands, but like, you know, you can't, I think like

487
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,280
you would never notice it.

488
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:17,120
Yeah, also he is always shot in a way that it's not, it's not very on your face ever.

489
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,440
And also like, yeah, I mean, he doesn't hide it.

490
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:26,840
So they, they, they, they, they took a stance that he also took a stance that he not going

491
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,640
to hide the fact ever that he has a six fingers, but the shots and composed in a way whenever

492
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:39,600
he's in a film that doesn't like show, you know, like, you know, very magnified way that

493
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,840
he has six fingers.

494
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,160
But they did kind of hide it.

495
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,160
It did.

496
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,800
When he was, I read in his Wikipedia, when he would try to be a doctor, they wouldn't

497
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,080
let him because when you're like, how many fingers do I have?

498
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,320
The patients would always say the wrong number and it would always be confusing and they

499
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,120
would knock the patient out because they thought he was wrong.

500
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,120
And so like he had to turn to acting.

501
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,120
Is that a true story?

502
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,120
No.

503
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Okay.

504
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,360
So, so, okay.

505
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,360
Yeah.

506
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,800
So, so Pooja finds out that he, you know, it's the fat kid and she would, she finds

507
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:17,600
ways to try and get him to stay over at Rahul's mansion.

508
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:24,400
And I think when Rahul meets Rohan, they, they have these, this back and forth throughout

509
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,640
the movie where Rohan kind of like drops hints about their family, that they're connected

510
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,640
somehow.

511
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,640
And he's like, his name is Yash.

512
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:32,640
His name is Yash.

513
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,640
I have six fingers.

514
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,400
My dad's name is Yash.

515
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,400
You do not know me.

516
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,400
He's like, he introduces his name as Yash.

517
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,120
And he calls him bhaiya, like brother from time to time.

518
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,320
He's like, oh, it's just an endearing way I'm addressing you.

519
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,840
And then like he was doing like the ceremony.

520
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,840
Like what was the thing?

521
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,840
Yeah.

522
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,840
Some, some, some morning.

523
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,840
Some morning ceremony.

524
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,440
Kind of thing and singing and singing and stuff like that.

525
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,040
He said something like, it's what mother would have wanted or something.

526
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,040
Like, yeah, yeah.

527
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,040
He was putting the, the thing on the forehead.

528
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,040
The tikka on the forehead.

529
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,040
Yes.

530
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,040
Yeah.

531
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,040
Chicken.

532
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,040
No, sorry.

533
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,040
This is the Indian saying that.

534
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,040
That's not me.

535
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,040
That's not, it's him being racist.

536
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,040
You guys should not do this with your chicken tikka masala.

537
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,040
It's not the same tikka.

538
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,040
He does the double thumbprint on her forehead.

539
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,040
It's the vegetarian version of that.

540
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,040
So yeah.

541
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,040
So yeah.

542
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,040
So we chicken tikka.

543
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,040
It's the, yeah.

544
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,040
Whatever.

545
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:31,720
Whenever he drops hints, you have like these audio cues where like Shahrukh Khan's character

546
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,040
goes like, wait, wait a minute.

547
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,480
Like, what is this?

548
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,040
Like, like he gets these hints.

549
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,040
Yeah.

550
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,480
And that's, that's, that's the funny, that's the funny part.

551
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:46,480
But it's, he's, I mean, if you don't recognize your brother, even if he's lost weight.

552
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,480
Yeah.

553
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,920
I feel like 10 years, if I am, if I, if I haven't seen my brother in 10 years and I

554
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,480
happen to see, I mean, like I would recognize my brother.

555
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,800
Don't forget the power of puberty, right?

556
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,800
Like it's been 10 years.

557
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,480
It's not like you saw him like when he was like a one year old.

558
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,840
I don't think people grow.

559
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,360
So he must still be a young fat boy.

560
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,560
I've never seen any photos.

561
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,600
Also this is the other thing when they go back to their house and like, you know, yeah,

562
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,720
Rahul, Rahul's like all like built and stuff, but like they only have photos of when he

563
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:18,720
was a fat kid.

564
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:22,160
No photos of the 10 years he was in school growing up.

565
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,160
Rohan, Rohan.

566
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,160
Sorry.

567
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,160
Thank you.

568
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,320
I think, I think that fat kid was eaten by a bear or something.

569
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,320
What are you talking about?

570
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,320
What?

571
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,240
How could the bear eat a fat kid?

572
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:33,240
In real life?

573
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:34,240
No, in the film.

574
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:35,240
Oh yeah.

575
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:40,120
And then a friend, a close friend of him, like realized that that is his trauma, that

576
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,300
his father, brother left his house and everything.

577
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:47,080
So he took his, like role, role.

578
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,440
Like mad men, like he took stolen valor and he just told him his identity is to his identity

579
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,560
and came back as he, that guy.

580
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,920
I have six fingers all hide as this person.

581
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,560
They'll never know when they do my fingerprints, it'll confuse them.

582
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Yeah.

583
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,760
So that's why that's what I think happened.

584
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,000
That's why no one could recognize him.

585
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,360
So he's chilling with Rahul.

586
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,360
Yeah.

587
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,360
He's chilling with Rahul.

588
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:15,720
And then like, oh yeah, I wanted to bring up something like, uh, so as, as Rohan was

589
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:21,680
setting, settling in, uh, Rahul makes it known that, you know, he's not welcome here.

590
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:27,200
He tells, he tells Rohan that you cannot look at Pooja because of the way she dresses.

591
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,760
What do you think about, uh, how Pooja wears?

592
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,760
Like the skimpy outfits that she wears.

593
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,760
I don't know, it's a British culture.

594
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,760
I don't like Pooja.

595
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:33,760
I knew up in India.

596
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,000
I didn't have, I never saw anyone wearing those kind of stuff.

597
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,200
Well, I think it's actually telling, right?

598
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,200
Because even when Rohan tried to come and stay in the house, Rahul was not having it.

599
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,320
He didn't want it at first.

600
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,760
And then you see the women in the house overpower him.

601
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,280
And then you see Rahul consistently tried to tell Pooja to cover up, but she just kind

602
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,120
of, you know, brushes him off.

603
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,980
So you also see that he's not as patriarchal as his father.

604
00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:59,440
And unlike his household where his mom didn't have a say at all, here, the women in the

605
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,360
household definitely have a voice.

606
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,360
Yeah.

607
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,360
Oh yeah.

608
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,360
They run him.

609
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,360
Yeah.

610
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,360
Yes.

611
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,360
Fine.

612
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,360
Girls run the world.

613
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,360
Like go Beyonce.

614
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,360
Girl boss, girl boss.

615
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,360
Pooja is a girl boss.

616
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,720
She keeps saying like, whatever, like British people are ought to do.

617
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:16,720
Take a chill pill.

618
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,720
Hey man, let's go to the mall.

619
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:20,720
Whatever.

620
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:21,720
I'm British.

621
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:22,720
Oh my God.

622
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:23,720
I love it.

623
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:25,440
But I don't like Pooja just as the actor.

624
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,440
The character's fine.

625
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,160
But like she was, she's a fine, but like I just, when you're next to casual, like I just

626
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,680
don't, I don't see the attraction.

627
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Fan boying over here.

628
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,680
That's a Pooja.

629
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:36,680
So yeah.

630
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,680
Okay.

631
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,680
Yes.

632
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,560
I was just wondering about how, you know, her clothing was like, was it acceptable?

633
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,560
Was it scandalous?

634
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Yeah.

635
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Was it scandalous?

636
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,560
Yeah.

637
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:59,280
I mean, it was very talked about that point that, oh, she's very, it's like bold.

638
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,280
Yeah.

639
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,280
It's London.

640
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,040
It's like London is a whole different world than India.

641
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,040
They dress differently.

642
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,040
They talk differently.

643
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,200
They go to prom and there's colors.

644
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,920
And this is a theme in the movie as well, right?

645
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,560
Where Kajol is really scared that her son with Rahul is going to grow up as an Englishman.

646
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,760
Like he keeps, she keeps saying, oh, he's already becoming an Englishman.

647
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:24,600
So you can kind of see this like rejection a little bit of the openness of British culture

648
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,680
maybe and Pooja is kind of this representation of someone who's really adopted British culture.

649
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,440
And like second gen immigrants and like the diaspora.

650
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,120
And I think it speaks to like the fear of people losing their Indian identity and trying

651
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,280
to reel them back in.

652
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,280
Right.

653
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,280
Exactly.

654
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Just look how like the clothing that Kajol wears is all like the traditional, right?

655
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,480
She keeps wearing the sari.

656
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,480
Which makes her way more attractive.

657
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:55,840
She becomes more traditional in the sense, like she becomes more, like she becomes exaggeratedly

658
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,160
traditional after moving to London, right?

659
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,640
Like when she was in India, like she was wearing like simpler clothes, right?

660
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:02,640
Right.

661
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,480
And then there she's like always like, I don't know, maybe it's a class difference as well.

662
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,360
And Rahul doesn't look, he's wearing British clothes and stuff.

663
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,560
So she's holding the Indian torch, Kajol.

664
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,560
Right.

665
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,560
And then she mentions a few times that...

666
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,560
He wears British clothes anyway.

667
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:16,560
He wears a suit.

668
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:22,240
The guy that the yes guy was wearing suit all the time.

669
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,200
And she mentions a few times that she wishes she could go back to India.

670
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,840
So you can see the family's happy.

671
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,440
They've kind of like adapted to their new life in England, but they still kind of have

672
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,880
this longing for their India and their true culture.

673
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,280
Which they could go back to.

674
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,680
There is nothing stopping them.

675
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,600
No, actually visually and like aesthetically, it's the women's job to carry on the culture.

676
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,600
It's not the men's job.

677
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,600
It's never the men's job to do anything.

678
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,320
Why is that?

679
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,720
I'm commenting on like how people perceive it.

680
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:49,720
It's not my point of view.

681
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:50,720
Oh, okay.

682
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,440
I thought you were getting influenced by this movie and becoming a bit patriarchal yourself.

683
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,440
No.

684
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:04,240
Because that's the thing, the women has to bear and protect the cultural traditions.

685
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,440
It's not the men's job.

686
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:15,680
I mean, yeah, they inject the part where the son is learning English songs and going to

687
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,720
perform English songs.

688
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:19,720
That's there.

689
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:27,480
But like what they wear and how they behave around men and stuff like that, that kind

690
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,480
of falls on women.

691
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:37,720
And it's just kind of recurring theme that happens in Bollywood a lot.

692
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:38,720
Yeah.

693
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,400
What are the men supposed to be doing?

694
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,400
Money.

695
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,400
Oh, woo girls.

696
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,400
Yeah.

697
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,400
What did you say?

698
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,400
Woo girls.

699
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,400
Woo women.

700
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,520
That's their job.

701
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,720
That's the water they carry and then women do everything else.

702
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,560
Like culture and food and history and knowledge and teaching.

703
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,560
That sounds nice.

704
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,040
Wooing woman goes to a stalker point.

705
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,160
But men basically just have to bring the money to the family and then they called all the

706
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,320
shots because they are the ones generating wealth and women just have to do as they're

707
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,320
told.

708
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:13,320
Oh, MBA is a tough job.

709
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,120
As they say in the movie, it's a tough job to study MBA.

710
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,120
Yeah.

711
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,120
And you become very smart.

712
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,120
It's the toughest thing you can do.

713
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,120
Yeah.

714
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,560
It's really you don't understand what it's like.

715
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:22,560
Yeah.

716
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,760
So we spend like the so the next few the next few scenes in that after that after after

717
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:33,280
when Rohan was settling in, we we see him adapt to the to living with with with Rahul's

718
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,280
family.

719
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,280
Right.

720
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,560
And then I think I want to take this opportunity to talk about like the music because one of

721
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:45,800
the one of my favorite musical musical numbers in this movie is the I don't know what I don't

722
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,360
know what you call this this number, but it's the Sonia song.

723
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,960
The when they were in the club, the prom I think is the prom.

724
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:53,960
Right.

725
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:54,960
Yeah.

726
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:55,960
It's a prom.

727
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,960
You are my son.

728
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,960
Yeah.

729
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,960
Yeah.

730
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,640
Why are they talking about Sonia?

731
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:01,640
Who's Sonia?

732
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:02,640
Yeah.

733
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:03,640
Sonia.

734
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:04,640
I thought Sonia just was a term.

735
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,040
I think it's just a hearing term that the sister wrote.

736
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,360
It's a very common Indian name.

737
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,360
OK.

738
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,920
But I think what I like about that song is that it feels so two thousands are in the

739
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:15,920
V. I don't know.

740
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:16,920
It's very dancey.

741
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,680
It's not like it's not very like traditional.

742
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:19,680
I don't know.

743
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,680
It's not traditional.

744
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,680
It's a prom in UK.

745
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,680
Yeah.

746
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,680
It's a prom.

747
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,600
It sounds exactly like every UK prom song.

748
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,840
How would it be traditional Indian song?

749
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,000
Traditional UK prom song.

750
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,600
We get to see we get to see Rohan's sick moves.

751
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:34,600
Yeah.

752
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:35,600
The way he dances with the.

753
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,880
That's that's kind of that song kind of solidify.

754
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,280
That was the he's like.

755
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:43,280
Confession of love.

756
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,280
Confession of love.

757
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,280
Yeah.

758
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,280
So after that, they are together.

759
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,280
That that romance scene is done.

760
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,280
That romance set up is done.

761
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,280
Yeah.

762
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,280
And it teaches you that if you just lose the weight, you can get anyone you want.

763
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,280
That's it.

764
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,280
That's that's the.

765
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,080
You guys are so busy falling in love with Kajal.

766
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,360
Shout out to Rick Degroshe.

767
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,040
And he looks so good, even though he has an extra thumb.

768
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,560
No, that makes him better.

769
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,440
He has 11 interesting things about him instead of 10.

770
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,200
He can really, really dance.

771
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,280
He can dance.

772
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,200
We did notice that, like unlike most big time Bollywood actors or Indian actors, like

773
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,200
he can dance.

774
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,200
He can dance.

775
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,200
He had to make up.

776
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,200
I mean, well, he has the extra limbs.

777
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,200
You might as well use it.

778
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,200
It makes him graceful.

779
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,200
OK.

780
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:30,360
OK, so what else to cover?

781
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,360
So they go to the prom.

782
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:32,360
They confess love.

783
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,440
Can we get to the kids singing the national anthem?

784
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,440
Oh, actually, I want to just a little bit more.

785
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,280
I just want to talk about the the Sargi.

786
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:39,280
There was a Sargi scene.

787
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,160
They explained the Sargi like it's something that you give your daughter in law.

788
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,920
Like the mother has to give daughter in law.

789
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,920
Oh, yeah.

790
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:47,920
That sort of thing.

791
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,920
The context of that Karoachha.

792
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,920
Yeah, there was like that.

793
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,360
It's a significant moment.

794
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,360
I think.

795
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,720
Yeah, it's a it's a it's a North Indian kind of thing.

796
00:53:58,720 --> 00:53:59,720
Cultural tradition.

797
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:04,240
It's a day when like it's a cultural tradition, whatever.

798
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:13,600
So they're the mother in law is supposed to send a gift gift back to the to the daughter

799
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:14,600
in law.

800
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:15,600
Yeah.

801
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,000
So just to explain a little bit, like there's a certain scene where like it's one of it's

802
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,520
one of Rohan's things to drop little hints that, you know, your family misses you and

803
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:29,160
that sort of thing where he he was telling Anjali that, you know, don't you usually get

804
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,480
like gifts from your mother in law?

805
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,320
And Anjali is like very avoidant.

806
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,800
She's like, I don't want to talk about it.

807
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,280
And he's like, you're going to get it this time.

808
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:45,080
I want to talk, I want to touch upon the fact that like, how do you say this?

809
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,200
I feel like Anjali goes through a lot of change because like in the beginning, she was more

810
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,320
like she was like very upbeat, very like free spirited.

811
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,320
Right.

812
00:54:54,320 --> 00:55:00,120
But as soon as she marries into Rahul's family, she becomes more about more traditional, more

813
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,120
like devoted.

814
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,320
She's like, that's what a girl is supposed to be.

815
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,320
Right.

816
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,320
It's like that's just like.

817
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,400
But it's also her fault that the whole family.

818
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,840
I mean, in her mind, I think her fault that the whole family split like she is the reason

819
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,160
why her husband feels sad.

820
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,160
Husband hasn't spoken to the family.

821
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,440
She's the reason they got disowned.

822
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,000
So it's a lot of guilt.

823
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,560
I'm surprised you guys saw it that way.

824
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,720
I felt like she was still her upbeat, quirky self to some degree.

825
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:26,720
Right.

826
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:31,880
Like she has their nanny is also living with them in the UK because Rahul's mother sent

827
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,960
her off and saying, well, since I can't be a part of his life, you go as kind of his

828
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:35,960
proxy mom.

829
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:36,960
Right.

830
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,400
So I think that's the life here in a family in India.

831
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,880
They're like, no, go ahead, go to England, leave everyone.

832
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,120
But I always felt like they were still kind of like taking little jabs.

833
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,760
Rahul, she was still kind of like the whole take a chill pill.

834
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,120
Like she was mocking a lot of the British culture, how her kids were talking.

835
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,600
So I still saw that kind of like funny, quirky side to her.

836
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,840
But yeah, I think this was also brought up in the movie where when Buja was explaining

837
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,640
how their life had been to Rohan and she's just like, yeah, we look like we are a happy

838
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,640
family.

839
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,600
But if you get very close, you'll see that there is a lot of sorrow in all of us.

840
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:06,600
Yeah.

841
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:11,400
But I think because she she's not the super rich, she didn't travel a lot, I imagine.

842
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,600
She probably grew up in Delhi and stayed in Delhi.

843
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,520
So it's probably harder for her to be completely removed from that.

844
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,840
She didn't like go up to, you know, British boarding school like her husband and stuff.

845
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:21,840
Yeah.

846
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,560
So it must have been a real culture shock for her.

847
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:24,560
Yeah.

848
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:25,560
Yeah.

849
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,560
Well, yeah, fast forward to the to the to the kid.

850
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,560
Yeah.

851
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,080
Sing the best thing I've ever seen.

852
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:39,200
So I wish I wish people were that united, but there's a certain the the scene where

853
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:45,920
Rahul finds out that Rohan is his that this this good looking man is his brother.

854
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:51,360
I think I think Rahul and Anjali's kid was supposed to sing a song or something.

855
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,800
And then the kid I don't remember his name.

856
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,440
Their son was like, this one's for you, mom.

857
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,440
Well, it's a school event.

858
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,480
The kids are they're at some like rich British boarding school.

859
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,380
The kids are all dressed up.

860
00:57:02,380 --> 00:57:04,040
It's this little Indian boy in a suit.

861
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,040
He looks just like me.

862
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,040
It was very triggered.

863
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,000
He looks like I used to wear suits like this.

864
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,880
And I and I did the school talent show anyways.

865
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,840
So there's a little boy dressed up in a suit with a bunch of white girls and stuff on stage

866
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,040
and they're all taking turns doing like a talent show or something.

867
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,040
Right.

868
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,520
And all the parents are sitting on the lawn.

869
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,800
And it's this Indian family with a bunch of white old British people.

870
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,960
And the little boy in the suit who looks like me gets up and just like I guess singing the

871
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:33,960
Indian national anthem.

872
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:34,960
Yeah.

873
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,960
Oh, also, there was a point like when the mother was complaining that them being a brown

874
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:48,120
family, they put them in the most bad like the backseat for the for the for the audience.

875
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,360
Yeah, she was complaining.

876
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,240
And then they were supposed to where they're supposed to like did the the announcers say

877
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:58,440
they're supposed to perform a certain song or music or something like that?

878
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,080
I think Tajil at one point was like, go ahead, sing Doremi.

879
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,760
Like she was talking to herself and her son was on stage.

880
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,440
So I'm assuming he was supposed to just sing Doremi.

881
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,640
But it turns into the Indian national anthem.

882
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,180
By the way, I played Doremi on the piano in kindergarten.

883
00:58:13,180 --> 00:58:19,840
So when I did the talent show, I played Doremi on the piano in a suit at kindergarten in like

884
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,360
a big elementary school in a big auditorium for the talent show.

885
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,600
This was the most transportive scene I've ever seen in my life because I was like, OK,

886
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,200
that's me on stage doing the same thing.

887
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,800
But I'm guessing you didn't get a standing ovation the way he did.

888
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:34,800
Right.

889
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:39,000
This is why I cried because I did not receive this.

890
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:45,040
So he sings the he's like he's like basically does the same thing as like crumpling up the

891
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,960
piece of paper, throwing it away and be like, I'm going to sing from my heart and sings

892
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,360
the national anthem.

893
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,480
The mom starts like tearing up.

894
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,960
White people start like standing up and like clapping a little white girl in her wheelchair

895
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:07,120
like gets up like he cures this little white girl's like like polio like they basically

896
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,160
like it's it's it's every parent's dream.

897
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:10,160
Right.

898
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,360
When you're always like comparing what your kids do and you're like, hey, my kid did the

899
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,120
talent show and you know, he did Doremi on the piano.

900
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,920
You're like, well, my kid sang the Indian national anthem and all the white people started

901
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,480
up and clapped.

902
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,240
And like that's just the mic drop.

903
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,640
Like it's the ultimate parent move.

904
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:28,640
And the mom's like like shedding tears and she's so happy and she runs up on stage and

905
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:29,640
just stares at this boy.

906
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,840
Like, I'm so proud of you.

907
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:31,840
You did the most.

908
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,200
You're the best boy in the world.

909
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,200
You did the most amazing thing ever.

910
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,840
Like you made these white people stand up for the Indian national anthem because you're

911
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,080
such a sweet, sweet, perfect boy.

912
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,840
And it was a love I'll never know.

913
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,480
But that was very touching.

914
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,480
Yeah.

915
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,080
I don't know.

916
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,560
I just I think it's just the ultimate parent fantasy.

917
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,200
I feel like that whole school event was not a school event.

918
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,040
It's just something to drive the plot forward.

919
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,640
It was just on the white people and just show what a good boy he is.

920
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:03,640
That's it.

921
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,640
That's it.

922
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:05,640
Just centered around them.

923
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,880
But yeah, that's how I mean, after seeing that song, you know, Rohan was quoting something

924
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,160
that Rouse like the tongue twister.

925
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:20,320
It was another part, another thing, like another clue of the that who he is.

926
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:25,480
It was one of the like a guiding, like it's one.

927
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,720
Something that the brother told him when he was leaving.

928
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:35,960
Yeah, it was the it was the thing that Rahul was telling Rohan when he was a fat kid, like

929
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,180
that before right before he was flying.

930
01:00:38,180 --> 01:00:44,480
And then like, I think Rohan planted that on Rahul's son to say that advice in front

931
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:45,480
of Rahul.

932
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,200
Well, I think what happened was like when he sang the national anthem, Rahul turned

933
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,080
to Rohan and asked, like, is this your doing?

934
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,840
And Rohan kind of nodded.

935
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,440
And when the mother was asking her son, like, how did you do this?

936
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,440
What happened?

937
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,540
And then he says, like, well, Rohan gave me an advice, you know, if I ever get scared,

938
01:01:02,540 --> 01:01:04,200
just close my eyes and think of my parents.

939
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,200
Thank you.

940
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,200
Sorry.

941
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,000
I don't know, Rahul, that that's the exact same advice he gave to Rohan 10 years ago.

942
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,000
OK, sorry.

943
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,000
Thank you.

944
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,000
Yes.

945
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,000
Thank you.

946
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,600
So there's two times that's brought up, right, where if you're ever scared, just close your

947
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,860
eyes and think of your parents, which I don't know about you guys.

948
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:22,880
Has that ever been a comforting thought?

949
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,120
I get so anxious.

950
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:26,120
Quite the contrary.

951
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,400
Like, usually I'm always thinking about my parents.

952
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,080
It's not to like close my eyes and imagine what they wouldn't say that I'm allowed to

953
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:34,080
do anything.

954
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,680
I've never felt like comfort in my parents.

955
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,080
Oh my God, if I f*** this up, they would be so pissed.

956
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,080
I'm sad.

957
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:47,720
God, if my parents saw me doing this podcast right now, I'd feel so much shame.

958
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,160
I'm not feeling comfort imagining their reaction to anything I do.

959
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,280
I can't imagine that boy like didn't piss himself thinking about his parents like on

960
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:00,520
stage and shit like when has that ever been the best thing you can think of?

961
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,520
Yeah.

962
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,160
And so that there you go.

963
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:09,960
Like, Rahul discovers that, you know, Rohan is this handsome man is my brother.

964
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:10,960
Thank God.

965
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,600
The next thing that Rohan needs to manipulate is to tell his parents, tell their parents

966
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,040
to come to London to visit them.

967
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,840
Brings them all to a mall, I think.

968
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:20,840
Yeah.

969
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:21,840
It brings them all to a mall.

970
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:26,880
And then, you know, there's that shot of the mother's instinct where Rahul comes in and

971
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:32,920
oh, we also got the part where I think the father was like looking at a magazine, he

972
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,960
dropped it and then Anjali took that as a chance to get the blessing.

973
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,080
Like she went down to touch his foot.

974
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:41,080
Right?

975
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,880
And it still holds.

976
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,560
If you trick someone into a blessing, it still stands.

977
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:46,560
It's fine.

978
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:47,560
It still works.

979
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:48,560
Yeah.

980
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,160
But then, yeah, you get an angry dad, you know, angry dad like you lied to me, you know,

981
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:59,040
and then we get this other scene where Rohan confronts the father and then the father just

982
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,640
says like, I don't love Rahul.

983
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:02,640
I don't love him.

984
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,640
I said it, didn't I?

985
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,360
You know, that was another thunderous moment.

986
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,360
Right?

987
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,880
Quite literally because there's actually thunder sound effects in all of the melodramatic scenes.

988
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:13,880
Yeah.

989
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,320
And then like you get like this whole, like this is like the climax, right?

990
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:24,920
Where I think we get to another powerful scene where like the mom confronts the dad and says

991
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,240
like you broke this family.

992
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,480
You're not, you know, God doesn't make mistakes.

993
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:31,480
God doesn't make mistakes.

994
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,120
You're just a husband, not God.

995
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:34,840
He said something like that.

996
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:35,840
So yeah.

997
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,000
But by the way, are they, what's their religion?

998
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,000
Hindu.

999
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,000
Hindu.

1000
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,920
So why do they keep bringing up like, but they say like the husband's God, right?

1001
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:44,920
Yeah.

1002
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:45,920
So there are many gods.

1003
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:46,920
We are qualitative.

1004
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:47,920
So the husband is also God.

1005
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:48,920
Yeah.

1006
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,920
But in the subtitles, they just kept making it capital and stuff is like one.

1007
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:52,920
Oh no.

1008
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,920
So still in we, when we write in English, we write it God in English.

1009
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,720
Because it's kind of comes from the English language.

1010
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,920
So I don't think it's a religious thing.

1011
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:03,920
Right?

1012
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:04,920
Keeley, correct me if I'm wrong.

1013
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,120
I'm not Hindu, but it seems more like a cultural thing where it's like, you just listen to

1014
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,320
your husband, you treat him like God.

1015
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,680
Which is, I mean, it's not, I mean, it's a religion is part of culture.

1016
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,440
It's like that.

1017
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:18,440
Right?

1018
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,000
So it's, it's, it's that like, uh, you have to listen to your husband.

1019
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:30,640
So that's the, and then she's like, Oh, imagine if you had a family and I forgot, but the

1020
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,920
Parameshwar or something like that.

1021
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:33,920
Yeah.

1022
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,120
Well, Parameshwar is like the God, like Supreme God.

1023
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,120
Okay.

1024
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,960
So the husband is your Supreme God.

1025
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:41,960
That's psycho.

1026
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,240
Like you being told that if you're told like, Hey, you're God with your family.

1027
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,720
I imagine so many people exploiting that or going to their head.

1028
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:55,920
It is kind of, that's, that's, that patriarchy is there in Indian culture.

1029
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:03,600
Like it's, it's the, so this film brings out the patriarchy, patriarchal notion.

1030
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:08,360
Everything is on, like I said, everything is on steroids in this film.

1031
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:15,960
It's not this exaggerated, but the basic core sense and values that this film kind of put

1032
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:22,600
wants to portray is aligned, aligns with the upper caste class society of India.

1033
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:23,600
Of course.

1034
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,920
So, um, this, this, this, this, this idea.

1035
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:31,440
So that's what, that's why she says like, Oh, my mother said that the husband is God,

1036
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,680
but God doesn't do mistakes.

1037
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,320
So, but you are doing mistakes.

1038
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:36,680
So how can you become a God?

1039
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,800
It took her 10 years to say that, but anyway, yeah.

1040
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,320
He's a man, not a God.

1041
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,840
You are just a, you are just a husband.

1042
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:44,840
You are just a husband.

1043
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:45,840
You are not a God.

1044
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,520
And then we get it right away.

1045
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,400
Like she hits back with the thing that he said to Rohan earlier.

1046
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,760
I said it, didn't I?

1047
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:52,760
Yeah.

1048
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,760
And then walked away.

1049
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:54,760
Yeah.

1050
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,080
And I guess like, and then I think, I mean, I guess we get, we get to the end, right?

1051
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:04,200
And then it was like, it was more like, um, I think.

1052
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,200
Yeah.

1053
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:10,400
And then the brother overhears a lot of eavesdrops happening in this film.

1054
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:17,640
So the brother eavesdrops on this conversation and calls his, uh, like, calls Rahul and says

1055
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,440
like, yes, the revolution is happening.

1056
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,400
This is your time to come back and claim the throne.

1057
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,960
One thing I noticed is that fucking Rohan, man, he's, he's such a creep.

1058
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,400
He's always like behind pillars.

1059
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,800
He's always creeping behind people.

1060
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,080
He's like listening to everybody's conversation.

1061
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:34,080
He's above the banister.

1062
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,840
Like, I think it's so funny that he gets to hear everything, you know?

1063
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,720
To be honest, like I can correlate to that being like younger, younger son in the household

1064
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:48,720
where you are not part of any bigger conversation because you were shut down being a young,

1065
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:49,720
young kid.

1066
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,480
So you kind of tend to have it like, what are they talking about?

1067
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:53,840
Why am I not part of that?

1068
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,400
And then you grow the habit of eavesdropping on conversation.

1069
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,800
If he had my spy glasses with the mirrors, you know, he could have more easily done that

1070
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,680
if he had my spy tools.

1071
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:14,160
So yeah, we get like the finale scene where Rahul goes into the room of the family portraits,

1072
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,840
the big family portraits.

1073
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:22,920
And then like we get to see that the dad, I keep forgetting his name, the dad, the dad

1074
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,120
is always, he was, he's actually crying.

1075
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,000
So you know, he actually misses Mrs. Rahul.

1076
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,000
And then we get this weird.

1077
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,000
Yeah, Shash is the dad.

1078
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,000
Yeah.

1079
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,120
We get this weird scene where he like kind of gaslights Rahul.

1080
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,360
Like why didn't you like come back?

1081
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,280
Why I never said you should leave or something like that.

1082
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:47,120
And then it's like, and then like Rahul cries and he's like, Oh, because I thought you didn't

1083
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,480
love me or whatever.

1084
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,080
But then like there was this whole blaming, like I'm blaming you.

1085
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:53,080
It's all your fault.

1086
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,560
He's like, dude, I just was angry.

1087
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,240
Angry is a part of love for from the elders.

1088
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,240
Like pure gaslighting.

1089
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,640
I hit you because I care.

1090
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:03,640
Yeah.

1091
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,200
But like, why didn't you come back?

1092
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,880
It's your responsibility to come back.

1093
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,320
Why didn't you come back?

1094
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,920
Like, do I have to call you?

1095
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,080
And Rahul's like, you kicked me out.

1096
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,080
You are right.

1097
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:15,080
You are right.

1098
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,080
I should have come back.

1099
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,080
My bad dad.

1100
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:18,280
I'm sorry for getting kicked out.

1101
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:19,400
I'm sorry.

1102
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,920
But in the end, the father asks for forgiveness.

1103
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,920
All is right with the world.

1104
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:32,760
And oh, another thing is that like, um, I think there was nothing where Anjali was saying

1105
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,160
that like, this is not our home.

1106
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:36,160
We should go back.

1107
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:41,720
Like what kind of family are we when we don't have mother's love and affection and father's

1108
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,320
blessings?

1109
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,840
When she was trying to tell, she was trying to tell, I don't remember what she was trying

1110
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:47,840
to say.

1111
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,840
She was trying to tell them that like, the thing, the thing is, I think it's ridiculous.

1112
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:56,560
I still think it's ridiculous that, you know, we are, they live in a grand home in the UK.

1113
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,680
There's nothing to worry about.

1114
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,280
And they're like, but the problem is that they, you know, they don't have the love of

1115
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:03,280
their parents.

1116
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:04,280
Oh yes.

1117
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,920
Like when they were in England, like they were in London, she was saying that, oh, we

1118
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:13,160
should go back to India and that house because how can a house, home be home without the

1119
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,400
parents' blessing and stuff like that?

1120
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:16,400
Oh yes.

1121
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:17,400
Yeah.

1122
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:18,400
What's your takeaway on that?

1123
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:19,680
Like, cause I feel like it's ridiculously funny.

1124
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:27,840
I mean, because, so this is what the, like a huge number of one generation wanted their

1125
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,680
kids to stay with them even after they get married.

1126
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:38,240
And like, that was the family tradition, family hierarchy that Indian culture was like the

1127
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:42,080
Indian culture that got exported everywhere, packaged and exported.

1128
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,480
That's based on that, those kind of values.

1129
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:48,060
So this film sells that values a lot.

1130
01:09:48,060 --> 01:09:53,480
So that's how we get to see like, you know, these, these are the core values of being

1131
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:59,680
a family, like, you know, like living in the same, under the same roof, like the home is

1132
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,240
not home if the elders are not there.

1133
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,080
So these kinds of values are injected in these films.

1134
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,720
Like, no, even if, so who was the villain of the story?

1135
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,200
Like the father was the villain of the story.

1136
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,200
I keep saying it's the father.

1137
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:13,200
Yeah.

1138
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:19,240
But, but every everywhere, like it's kinda, I mean, that's, that's present there.

1139
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,800
Like as a viewer audience, like we understand that he is the person who to blame for this

1140
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:31,480
whole thing, but still everyone keeps him in the revered position and never brings him

1141
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:32,800
down.

1142
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:41,080
He still stays up there because at the end he just accepts his guilt, like at the access

1143
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:45,160
is wrongdoing that's, and he's no, I mean, yeah.

1144
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:50,040
I mean, the, the, the villain is, um, just disobeying your parents.

1145
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,720
If he didn't disobey none of this would have happened.

1146
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,520
He disobeyed there's 10 years of grievances and they come back at the end.

1147
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,800
No, I think not.

1148
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:04,240
Because he's disobey is not looked down upon in this film because there was a point where

1149
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:09,480
the father told him that always take, choose the path that you feel right.

1150
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:13,120
And then he chose the path, which fear he felt right.

1151
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:23,280
But I mean, the feeling is his father's ego, but he had, even if he was wrong, no one directly

1152
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:30,480
went and like, you know, confronted him like for this whole 10 years and no one blamed

1153
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:31,480
him that much.

1154
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:33,920
I mean, so what should have been different?

1155
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,640
Like what, how would this have been resolved in a better way?

1156
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,600
Well, I think you see the scene where he's confronted when his wife pretty much drops

1157
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,800
him to her own level, right?

1158
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,480
She's taken him off the pedestal.

1159
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:46,040
She's like, you're my equal now.

1160
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,720
I'm going to call the shots.

1161
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,120
So you kind of see that happening.

1162
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,680
And I really agree with Killy's point when he said like, maybe the father is not the

1163
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,160
direct villain here is kind of his ego.

1164
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:59,320
And even in his apology, you see him struggle with that where he knows he's wrong, but he

1165
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:04,320
kind of struggles to really just say, sorry, he kind of still places the blame on someone

1166
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,720
else and that's kind of like an elitism ego kind of struggle.

1167
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:08,720
Right?

1168
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:13,240
So I think the intention of this movie, it's not so much like revenge.

1169
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:17,240
Revenge is never really a part of family, especially Indian families.

1170
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:21,360
It's more of, yes, you can follow your heart, but you still will have a ceiling to your

1171
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:26,280
happiness if you don't have your parents blessing and you see that happening.

1172
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,320
And then, you know, kind of when, even though like now he eventually the father comes around,

1173
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,520
he's not, it doesn't have to be shot down.

1174
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,360
Like at the end of the day, it's kind of like recognizing that everyone is human.

1175
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,620
Everyone has their faults, but you kind of have to always be ready to forgive your family

1176
01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:45,920
and accept them, like meet them halfway.

1177
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:46,920
That was my taking.

1178
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,840
I don't think it's a matter of like, you have to shoot down the villain in this scene.

1179
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,720
It's just kind of everyone confronting their own ego.

1180
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:54,720
Yeah.

1181
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,480
And I think Killy, you mentioned when you're watching it, like the conflict sets the bar

1182
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:04,920
really low because I think generally it's just perhaps like upper Indian culture adapting

1183
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,600
to globalism and love marriage and stuff.

1184
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:14,880
And that's maybe the conflict is like, is dealing with diaspora.

1185
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:15,880
Part of the conflict.

1186
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:16,880
Yes.

1187
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:26,920
Also, because he arranged the marriage with a girl from the same class, but it's always

1188
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:33,760
involved like when the hero or heroine chooses someone they love, like why would parent go

1189
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,560
against someone you love?

1190
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,160
Because they belong from different class, they belong from different cast, they're different

1191
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:41,160
from different religion.

1192
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,120
So these are the reasons.

1193
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,400
So that's what they put here.

1194
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:54,560
Like, you know, the big struggle is here, the man's struggle is here that he loves someone

1195
01:13:54,560 --> 01:14:05,360
who doesn't fall in their class and then he has to go against his parents' wishes.

1196
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:06,960
So this brings me to my theory.

1197
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:07,960
This is a nice segue.

1198
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:08,960
Okay.

1199
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:15,560
So we were watching the film and it's very, it reminds me a lot of like Buzz B Berkeley

1200
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:16,560
films.

1201
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:17,560
Are you guys familiar with Buzz?

1202
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:22,840
He was an old time Hollywood director and he did huge musical sets, huge like performance

1203
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,280
numbers on a really grand scale.

1204
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:30,960
And it reminds me a lot of that, like a lot of artifice, the houses look like sets, a

1205
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:37,500
lot of its film like indoors, like in these grand, yeah, like set pieces.

1206
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:42,600
They come in on helicopters and drive Porsches and everything's just hyper exaggerated.

1207
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:50,720
And watching the movie, I was like, okay, I'm looking at this as an outsider.

1208
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:56,360
And so I'm able to kind of piece together that like, I think the movie is also being

1209
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:57,840
made by an outsider.

1210
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,840
And I was trying to figure out like why I felt that way.

1211
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:06,360
And so I looked up the director afterwards, K. Joe, because he's super famous and stuff.

1212
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,120
And I was just trying to figure out like where he was coming from.

1213
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,240
Like at first I thought he's just like a Neppo baby who's super rich.

1214
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,480
And so he's just writing about what he knows, which is the super rich life.

1215
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:18,260
And that's what we're going to watch.

1216
01:15:18,260 --> 01:15:23,600
But when I saw quotes of him talking about his sexuality, like it clicked a lot more

1217
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:29,280
because, especially when he's like using his dad's, his real dad's name in the movie as

1218
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,960
the patriarch and stuff.

1219
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:37,960
If you analyze it through this, it's a super personal movie because what he's doing is

1220
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:39,760
he's an outsider to this as well.

1221
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,360
He's an outsider to the family structure, right?

1222
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:48,880
If you're gay or queer or whatever, but if you're not able to have a wife and kids as

1223
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,040
it's expected of you, right?

1224
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:55,360
You can't provide to the dad in the same way that they can in this movie, in the same way

1225
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,040
that Shaira can't.

1226
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,420
Like he's not matching his family expectations.

1227
01:16:00,420 --> 01:16:06,840
And so because he in real life cannot provide this family to his dad, he's doing it through

1228
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:07,840
the movie.

1229
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:13,340
The movie is giving the dad like the family that his real life dad probably wish he had

1230
01:16:13,340 --> 01:16:15,080
had, right?

1231
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:21,600
But the issue is the reason why it looks so cartoonish and outlandish to me is because

1232
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,120
it's the same reason like when people do drag performances, right?

1233
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:31,760
If you're an outsider, if you're, for example, like a man looking at feminine identity, when

1234
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:36,000
you try to perform it, it's exaggerated, right?

1235
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:41,160
Because as an outsider, you're able to pick out things that people living in that world

1236
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,160
aren't able to recognize, right?

1237
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:47,840
You don't recognize your own ticks and quirks and stuff, but someone on the outside can.

1238
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,120
And that's why you have stereotypes.

1239
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:56,840
And when people try to perform or imitate worlds that they're not a part of, it's always

1240
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,640
an exaggerated form of it.

1241
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,460
This is like drag family.

1242
01:17:01,460 --> 01:17:09,560
This is a drag performance of a straight family where it's exaggerated, the falling love with

1243
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,080
a woman and the relationship with your brother and your dad and having kids.

1244
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:17,080
This is an outsider's view of what that would look like and what that love looks like because

1245
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:18,080
he doesn't know.

1246
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:23,040
Because an insider will have way more nuances in a family set up.

1247
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,040
Way more nuance.

1248
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:25,040
Yeah.

1249
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,640
But this is not, he doesn't have that.

1250
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:27,640
He doesn't relate.

1251
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,480
He does not, he's not attracted in the same way and he can't provide that type of family.

1252
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:34,440
So he is Rahul, right?

1253
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:37,640
Shah Rukh Khan's character, right?

1254
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:42,720
He is Rahul with the same dad's name and he's not adopted, but he is unable to provide for

1255
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:43,720
his dad in this way.

1256
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,760
So I think it is a deeply personal film for him.

1257
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,860
And sorry, I just want to just to go on like the camp and the drag aspect because it is

1258
01:17:51,860 --> 01:17:56,460
so super exaggerated and like the straight relationships are kind of uncanny.

1259
01:17:56,460 --> 01:17:57,460
And yeah, you're right, Killy.

1260
01:17:57,460 --> 01:17:59,720
Like they lack nuance.

1261
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:05,720
There's this woman, Susan Sontag, who wrote about like camp and the drag show scene in

1262
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,120
I think in New York.

1263
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:13,680
So Susan Sontag in 1964 said, camp emphasizes an exaggerated, ostentatious and outrageous

1264
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:20,640
style that values bad taste and refuses the distinction between true art and cheap imitation.

1265
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:26,120
By changing what dominant culture considers natural and normal into style and artifice,

1266
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:30,840
camp deconstructs normative categories of identity and art aiming to change the ordinary

1267
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,800
into the spectacular.

1268
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:37,280
And I think that's exactly what he does with this film, like a normal family situation

1269
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:45,400
is overblown into like artifice and artificiality because that is what he sees from the outside.

1270
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,280
And so whether that's true or not, I don't know.

1271
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,480
Like I'm not making any like claims on like his sexuality and stuff.

1272
01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:57,640
But I think it's if you're wondering why it seems a little off, I think I think it's a

1273
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:58,760
very personal film.

1274
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:03,480
And I think he's viewing a world that he cannot give from the outside and showing that.

1275
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:05,800
I think that's a very interesting theory.

1276
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,600
And I think your point about Karin Johar directing this from an outsider perspective is spot

1277
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:11,600
on.

1278
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,560
And I think that's also why it caters to the diaspora so much.

1279
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,960
Like we, you know, we grow up Indian, but we are not living in India.

1280
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,160
So we only get tits and bits of the culture.

1281
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,800
And we also watching this as from an outsider perspective, but it almost feels like you're

1282
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,440
part of this family, like you're involved in it.

1283
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:34,260
So I can see how this outsider perspective really has results in him having wider reach

1284
01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:35,600
through his movies.

1285
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:39,600
Yeah, because I think if you're inside on it, you're like, that's not real.

1286
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:40,600
Yeah.

1287
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,840
But but if you're in the diaspora and you don't know if that's how it really is going

1288
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,280
on in India or whatever, then that then it becomes more relatable.

1289
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:52,480
And so I think that's why he did speak to the diasporas because they can't really recognize

1290
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:53,920
what's real or what's not.

1291
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:59,520
I think also the fashion, how do you see the fashion in the film?

1292
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:06,920
Like say something about like how you watched it, like how you find this film, like culturally

1293
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,520
and the relatability and then that you said already.

1294
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,880
Also the what the discussion used to be around these films, like when you were kids, like

1295
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:21,280
how the community accepted this film, like looking up to as being a diaspora kid.

1296
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,200
OK, I thought you meant literally fashion.

1297
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:25,200
No, also fashion.

1298
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,320
Like first I started from fashion.

1299
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:32,560
So hey, female woman, what do you think about the fashion in the movie?

1300
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:33,560
Why me?

1301
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,640
Because because Indian Indian fashion.

1302
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,120
Yeah, yeah.

1303
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:42,760
Well, OK, so I I haven't watched too many Bollywood movies, but this was definitely

1304
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:43,760
a staple.

1305
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:44,760
We watched it multiple times.

1306
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:46,560
We watched it every year.

1307
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:51,680
We had a DVD DVD disc and it was good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good,

1308
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:52,680
in the same DVD.

1309
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,760
So we'd always have a marathon.

1310
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:59,480
And growing up, it was it was really my inside perspective to Indian culture.

1311
01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:03,760
And I could see how there were certain elements that related to my family.

1312
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,360
But I could also see that it was highly exaggerated.

1313
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,840
So I really thought that, yeah, maybe they're just a lot stricter in India.

1314
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,840
Like maybe my family has become slightly more progressive because we've been out of the

1315
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,380
mainland for a while.

1316
01:21:15,380 --> 01:21:20,040
You know, so that I really took this as a representation of how upperclass upper class

1317
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,840
Indian families operate.

1318
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,640
I remember crying when I was young watching this movie.

1319
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,520
I also remember it being a lot more heartwarming and endearing.

1320
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,720
Like I remember the scene between Amitabh and Shahrukh Khan at the end where they reconcile

1321
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:33,200
was like very touching.

1322
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:35,840
And I thought that was how families should reunite.

1323
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,600
And it was my first time last night watching it as an adult.

1324
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,320
And there were so many scenes that stuck out to me that now that I'm watching it from an

1325
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:47,800
adult perspective, I'm just like, well, this is this is pretty fucking toxic.

1326
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:54,200
This is probably not kind of like how this shouldn't be the what do you call it?

1327
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:55,200
The way it is.

1328
01:21:55,200 --> 01:22:00,360
Like did as a kid watching it, did as a kid, do you remember, did you feel like you wanted

1329
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:01,840
to belong to that?

1330
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:02,840
Would it scare you?

1331
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:03,840
Definitely not.

1332
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:04,840
Right.

1333
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:05,840
I mean, there's so many rules.

1334
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,000
There's so much patriarchy in the movie that it was very off putting.

1335
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,180
If anything, I remember feeling fortunate that I didn't grow up in India so that I wouldn't

1336
01:22:13,180 --> 01:22:14,640
have to endure this.

1337
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:19,440
You know, like I probably could not live in a household where the father just calls all

1338
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:20,440
the shots.

1339
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:22,280
The woman don't get any any voice.

1340
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,480
Like I'm a girl myself and I had two older brothers.

1341
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:28,200
So there were definitely some gender fights within our families as well.

1342
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,720
But our parents, I think, handled it a bit more equally.

1343
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,660
I can see how growing up in a culture in a family like this, like it's not even up for

1344
01:22:34,660 --> 01:22:35,840
question, up for debate.

1345
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,360
It's just kind of like, no, you're the girl.

1346
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,320
You don't you should not speak as much.

1347
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,520
So yeah, it was.

1348
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:46,880
Yeah, because for a movie trying to, I feel like, speak to the diaspora and perhaps bring

1349
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:47,880
them back.

1350
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:48,880
They're not.

1351
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:49,880
I don't think giving an attractive package.

1352
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,440
Well, I can see the message here, right?

1353
01:22:52,440 --> 01:22:57,280
Where like this movie recognizes that the diaspora is going to go through things that

1354
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:58,280
disobey their parents.

1355
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,000
We're going to fall in love with the wrong people.

1356
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:04,480
We're going to choose fields and jobs that maybe don't align with our parents expectations.

1357
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:06,760
And this movie touches upon all those themes.

1358
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,640
But in the end, there's still this sense of no matter what, we still want our family's

1359
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:11,640
love.

1360
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:13,800
And at the end of the day, our family has to come around.

1361
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:18,280
So you see kind of like the obligation putting being put on both the child and the parent.

1362
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,240
The child has to always be open for the parent to come around.

1363
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:26,080
And at some point, the parent like Amitabh in this case has to recognize his wrongdoing

1364
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:30,320
has to kind of put aside his ego and find his way back to the kids.

1365
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:35,240
So you can kind of see that no matter how far you go from the culture, from your parents

1366
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:39,480
expectations, both of you have to be open to always reconciling because family is important.

1367
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:40,520
Family is above all.

1368
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,960
And I think that was the main message of the movie where it's just like family first.

1369
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:44,960
Yeah.

1370
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,280
And I think we did speak that I think the movie perhaps isn't targeted the kids, but

1371
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:56,100
the parents and trying to show the parents on how to adjust and accommodate perhaps more

1372
01:23:56,100 --> 01:24:00,160
rebellious kids, which again, I think is the director speaking directly to his dad and

1373
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,040
being like, look, like you brought me up in this movie world.

1374
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,960
I am perhaps not 100% straight deal with this.

1375
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:10,600
This is the world that you brought me into.

1376
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:12,160
You're going to have to adjust.

1377
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:13,840
And then they have a good relationship.

1378
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,920
The dad passed on the production company and stuff.

1379
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:20,840
But obviously there's some very personal tension going on and it's very visible in the film.

1380
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:27,680
I think this film was designed to keep Indian diaspora out of India.

1381
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:28,680
It worked.

1382
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:29,680
It worked.

1383
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:30,680
It worked.

1384
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:31,680
Whitney has never been back.

1385
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:32,680
This was happening in India.

1386
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:34,720
Don't come back.

1387
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:35,720
It's pretty bad here.

1388
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:37,760
England seems nice.

1389
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,560
You guys have prom and cars.

1390
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,040
It's way better.

1391
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,040
Yeah.

1392
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,560
As a Thai person, right?

1393
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:50,760
I mean, I don't know much about Indian traditions or how things operate over there, but I feel

1394
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:56,640
like this movie for me personally is a good introduction for someone like me who doesn't

1395
01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:01,480
know anything about how it works within families.

1396
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:08,280
I know that maybe it's too traditional in a sense, but in a general sense of things,

1397
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:16,280
I feel like I understand how the hierarchy works, the family dynamic works here.

1398
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:20,000
Yeah, I think that was a good thing to see.

1399
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:26,120
To be honest, this trope of children going against their parents is a very common volume

1400
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:27,240
trope.

1401
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:36,040
But what separates this film from those other films is like, even when it happens, in those

1402
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:42,260
films the parents are in absolute wrong and the kids had the full right.

1403
01:25:42,260 --> 01:25:48,640
But somehow this film always, I think I'm repeating myself, is always keeping the wrongdoers

1404
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:53,080
in certain reverence that the other films misses a lot.

1405
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:57,920
In other films where the children are going against parents, they fight the parents, they

1406
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:03,120
slam cars and everything, the raw emotions of fighting your parents.

1407
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:08,000
Here they're never fighting the parents.

1408
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,940
So they're always keeping them in that reverence.

1409
01:26:11,940 --> 01:26:17,680
So that's really what separates this film for me from other films where the children

1410
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,840
fighting their parents.

1411
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:27,060
When we talked about this, I think because they are so upper class and because basically

1412
01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:34,240
they have everything they could ever possibly want, when you have no want or no friction

1413
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,960
in your life, the only drama exists with people's opinions.

1414
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,160
Like, dad's angry, I need to change his mind.

1415
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:44,340
But there's nothing you can physically or material do that could possibly do that.

1416
01:26:44,340 --> 01:26:48,600
He has everything he needs, he's fine, the kids have everything they need, they're fine.

1417
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:52,560
So without any materialism, the kids aren't...

1418
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,560
They have a great life in London.

1419
01:26:54,560 --> 01:27:00,080
He doesn't need to fight his parents because he still has a great existence.

1420
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:06,760
If there's no material friction going on, you react less because you have less to fight

1421
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:07,760
for.

1422
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:12,360
Now you're just fighting over someone's opinion and not your livelihood or your right to exist

1423
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,720
or to put food on the table.

1424
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:21,480
And so when you lack all connection to a struggle or a material existence, it's very hard to

1425
01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:25,220
escalate the fights beyond, this guy's stubborn.

1426
01:27:25,220 --> 01:27:28,960
So I interpret this as just the sheer power of patriarchy.

1427
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:33,520
Because yes, a lot of Indian movies deal with this theme, but I think the patriarchy was

1428
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,440
a lot more blatant here, it was a lot more felt.

1429
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:40,700
And that's why Amitabh says that line a few times, where he just shut sound discussion.

1430
01:27:40,700 --> 01:27:41,700
You can't speak back to me.

1431
01:27:41,700 --> 01:27:42,880
I said that, didn't I?

1432
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,060
Enough, that's it.

1433
01:27:44,060 --> 01:27:48,300
And so it also leaves very little room for anyone to kind of bring him down or challenge

1434
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:53,720
his beliefs to the point that the mother doesn't contact her son for like 10 years, even though

1435
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,920
she misses him and she loves him.

1436
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,920
I wonder if that was actually Ashokra's line.

1437
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,200
Well, I mean, he's a director.

1438
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,000
He's a control freak.

1439
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,800
You know, like he's a director.

1440
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:07,440
Yeah, he's a director, right?

1441
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:08,940
That's what they do.

1442
01:28:08,940 --> 01:28:12,800
But I think, you know, he runs a big company, everyone listens to him.

1443
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,280
And I think in real life, that's exactly how it goes.

1444
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:19,080
No one can say no when you have that much power and control over something.

1445
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,840
I think if you're from a lower class, I think you're more willing and have to listen to

1446
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:27,920
outside forces that tell you to stop police or military or other people.

1447
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:33,800
But when you're at that level, there is nothing that can change your mind except yourself.

1448
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,080
There's no there's no outside force.

1449
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:38,080
Except the mom.

1450
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,760
Yeah, the mom.

1451
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,880
Anyways, closing thoughts?

1452
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:47,800
No, I think I felt like we covered everything.

1453
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,240
This was a very nice.

1454
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:57,880
So for me also, like watching it again in adult age, also, like when I watched it before

1455
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:05,000
in India, this film was never shown with subtitles and I didn't understand Hindi that point of

1456
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,000
time.

1457
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:13,680
But for me, also, it's like a totally new viewing of the film that the dialogues and

1458
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:18,560
everything in the details are like it's it's it's over.

1459
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:19,840
Did you speak Hindi, Winnie?

1460
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:20,960
No, I don't.

1461
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,120
So how did you watch the movie?

1462
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,120
Subtitles.

1463
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:25,680
So and I think that is pretty common then, too.

1464
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:31,040
I think they had to take that into account of being hyper exaggerated because most the

1465
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:35,360
audience probably didn't speak the language or could understand.

1466
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:36,360
Yeah, I don't know.

1467
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:37,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1468
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:38,360
That was the thing.

1469
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:39,360
That was the thing.

1470
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,000
That's why like there is no room for subtlety, right?

1471
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,680
Like when I was telling, oh, that he did that.

1472
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:49,760
And then that was kind of under the radar, like, like, subtly, subtly, definitely the

1473
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,400
next scene he will repeat those words like twice or thrice.

1474
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:55,400
Right.

1475
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:56,400
Yeah.

1476
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:57,400
So that kind of thing happened.

1477
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:05,320
And for me, this was just another film, another blockbuster Bollywood film.

1478
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:10,440
But like looking back, like how it became a cultural milestone, like I can understand,

1479
01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:14,920
I can relate to it with Indian TV, like Hindi TV drama.

1480
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:20,680
Like this, this house set up, even even from the cinema, cinema point of cinematic point

1481
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:24,920
of view of like, you know, how the editing was done, how the camera movement, the zoom

1482
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:25,920
in.

1483
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,800
So these were like this.

1484
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:33,640
This aesthetics is very known to me from Hindi TV, TV drama.

1485
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:42,240
So this, this takes that aesthetic of those shows and puts it in Bollywood a lot.

1486
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:43,240
Yeah.

1487
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:44,240
Yeah.

1488
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:45,240
Yeah.

1489
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:46,520
And I also just want to say, this is really monumental, right?

1490
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:52,880
So the song, Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Gham song, Kili, do you want to try humming it for us?

1491
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:53,880
No.

1492
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:54,880
Okay.

1493
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:55,880
Fair point.

1494
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:56,880
But in acting,

1495
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:57,880
Kabhi Kushi Kabhi Kushi

1496
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:04,000
Standing ovation, you.

1497
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:13,160
I am like a proud mom and I am crying tears and you have white people, the people listening

1498
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,480
can't see this, but there's white people all around us standing up.

1499
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:19,760
There's a guy, a white guy that was on his death bed that's standing up and cheering

1500
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:20,760
for you right now.

1501
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:21,760
You're incredible.

1502
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,360
And I think your mom would be very proud of you.

1503
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:24,840
And she's crying right now.

1504
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,880
And when you enter in the same province and say, she'll know that you're there and she'll

1505
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,720
come and find you and hug you for this.

1506
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,800
So that exact, that exact song that Kili just hummed that brought everyone in this room

1507
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,280
to tears is actually played on Bridgerton.

1508
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:41,520
So I think it was either in season one or season two, there's a character from the Indian

1509
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:46,560
diaspora and they played this scene and I think one of her Haldi ceremonies and the

1510
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:47,960
song comes in the background.

1511
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:52,320
And I think it meant a lot to the Indian diaspora in England as well, which is a huge one.

1512
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:58,400
So just to show how the reach that this movie has, how iconic it's been.

1513
01:31:58,400 --> 01:31:59,440
That makes so much sense.

1514
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:01,720
This is the Bridgerton of Bollywood films.

1515
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:02,720
Yeah, exactly.

1516
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,280
That makes so much sense.

1517
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:05,920
The Royal Aspiration.

1518
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:11,840
It's pure aspiration for the director with like a life he can't have for everyone watching

1519
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,240
it for like, it is the most aspirational thing I've ever seen.

1520
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:19,260
It is a Vogue magazine, 24 frames a second.

1521
01:32:19,260 --> 01:32:20,260
It's pretty good.

1522
01:32:20,260 --> 01:32:22,640
The movie apparently has 100% in Rotten Tomatoes.

1523
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:26,520
So I just want to get your guys thoughts on whether you would say this is the best Bollywood

1524
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,000
film we've watched yet.

1525
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:29,000
Oh, geez.

1526
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:30,000
Okay.

1527
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,600
So I found out that it was like, hang on, that's something here.

1528
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:38,000
I just want to say too, if anyone's listening, like we're not here to like necessarily review

1529
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:42,420
or say if it's good or bad or our opinion, you know, we're just here to watch and learn.

1530
01:32:42,420 --> 01:32:46,200
So like if we like it or not, that doesn't invalidate your feelings listener.

1531
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:47,200
Yeah.

1532
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:52,920
Like I said, I guess like this movie, you know, not to like, you know, agree with what

1533
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:58,000
everyone like, I mean, basically, I think this movie is a great introduction.

1534
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,000
Like if someone were to ask me, you know, hey, I want to get into Bollywood films, what

1535
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:07,080
could be something that could give us some insight into how families operate, then this

1536
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,000
is the film I would say.

1537
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:13,760
And at the time for this movie, I found out that it was actually, it was one of the, it

1538
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,600
was probably the most expensive Indian film ever made.

1539
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:21,040
I mean, just the helicopter cost more than most Indian films at the time, just to bring

1540
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:22,040
the helicopter in.

1541
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:23,040
Yeah.

1542
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:24,040
Around six to eight million US dollars.

1543
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:28,080
And it was also the highest grossing Indian film at the time.

1544
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:32,080
And let's not forget, I'm sorry, really, really quick too, when they did the big love musical

1545
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:37,240
number and they're at like the pyramids and they're at like all these like amazing like,

1546
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:41,880
like landscapes and stuff, like they paid an insane money to like buy out for like the

1547
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:43,880
pyramids for one shot.

1548
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,720
And they have shots like, you know, going from country to country.

1549
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,880
Yeah, they went to Egypt to do that musical number just for that.

1550
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:50,880
No spared expense.

1551
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,880
Yeah, Egypt and then the other one was like maybe Turkey or something.

1552
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:59,000
I don't know, but like incredible locales, they're bringing in helicopters, they're like

1553
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:04,040
making huge mansions, you know, that stuff costs money and they're filming in England.

1554
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:05,280
That's not cheap.

1555
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:06,280
Yeah.

1556
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:14,680
And it was also a good way to see what are some of the Indian staple songs?

1557
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:19,440
What are some of the songs, like what are the most memorable songs that you still see

1558
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:22,560
every day like at weddings or you know?

1559
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:23,840
Oh, yeah.

1560
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:24,840
Thank you.

1561
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,240
And at the wedding too, just really quick, they did the callback to that song from the

1562
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:28,240
other movie we saw.

1563
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:29,240
Yes.

1564
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:30,240
Yeah.

1565
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:31,240
Yeah.

1566
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:34,240
They did the callback song from his own film.

1567
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:46,360
Yeah, it was there during that Karwa shot scene.

1568
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:53,240
It's great because like Adam previously mentioned, you don't see those kinds of references being

1569
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:54,240
made in a way.

1570
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:59,280
Like it's like just a callback to other memorable movies, memorable scenes, memorable musical

1571
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:00,280
numbers.

1572
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:09,800
Yeah, I think this film has been an eye opener and to anyone listening, I guess you could

1573
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,880
stand to lose some weight.

1574
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:12,880
Yeah.

1575
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:17,120
And in the spirit of this movie, I give this 11 stars out of 10.

1576
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:18,120
Wow.

1577
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,440
That's a standing ovation right there.

1578
01:35:20,440 --> 01:35:22,160
It's just a finger reference.

1579
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:28,200
Well, I think this movie is highly contested a little bit in India, whether it's like iconic,

1580
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a landmark or overrated, so Killy, give us your perspective as well.

1581
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:36,280
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's not what's your...

1582
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:37,920
It's a cultural mind stone.

1583
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:38,920
What does that mean?

1584
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:39,920
What's your feelings on it?

1585
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:40,920
I didn't like this.

1586
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:41,920
The truth.

1587
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:42,920
Why?

1588
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:43,920
Why?

1589
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:44,920
Sorry.

1590
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:45,920
It's okay.

1591
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,240
So when I was getting, I was not interested in this film either.

1592
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:54,480
Like I just watched it before everyone else was watching it and I got super bored towards

1593
01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:55,480
the end.

1594
01:35:55,480 --> 01:35:58,920
I was like, where is this going to end?

1595
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:03,960
But now I see like, it's more of a film like now I see to analyze it.

1596
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,720
It's not, I see to enjoy it.

1597
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:08,320
Yeah, that's why we do everything.

1598
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:09,880
We eat to analyze it.

1599
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:10,880
It's super fun.

1600
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:11,880
Last question, Killy.

1601
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:17,280
And actually maybe, maybe Nicky said, Kojol or Nina Williams taking character?

1602
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,280
Which one?

1603
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:21,280
I don't know.

1604
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,280
I would go with Nina Williams dresses Kojol.

1605
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:25,280
Unbeatable.

1606
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,720
I can dress her up like all your way.

1607
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,320
We'll go see.

1608
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,160
So Killy is your phone blowing up by the way?

1609
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:35,800
Are people waiting for you?

1610
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:36,800
Yeah.

1611
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:37,800
Yeah.

1612
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,760
We have a tech and party that Killy arranged an hour and a half late for, so we got to

1613
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:42,360
go do this.

1614
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:43,440
So thanks for tuning in.

1615
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:50,440
We'll have a movie next time and we're going to go dress up Nina Williams as Kojol and

1616
01:36:50,440 --> 01:36:51,440
let you know how that works out.

1617
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All right.