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Welcome to Fear of Stairs, Desi Films Decoded, the podcast where four friends from different

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backgrounds unlock the world of Desi cinema.

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I'm Winnie, the Desi who unfortunately has never been to India.

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Yeah. Hi, I'm Shorob. I'm the film enthusiast from India.

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This is Nicky, newfound Bollywood enthusiast.

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I'm Adam, the Western film buff. And this week I learned that if you become a high-end

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prostitute, life is pretty good. And Indian pimps are really nice to you and they really

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want you to do well in school. And you know, it seems like a nice career path.

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And today we're doing an episode on Dev D, a 2009 film by Wan Anurag Kashyap. And as

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a Thai person, I had no idea coming into this movie that this was an adaptation on a very

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popular classic Bengali novel called Dev Das.

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Yeah.

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So, Kiwi, can you tell us about what Dev Das is in general?

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Yeah. So it's not only a very popular Bengali novel. It has been, it has been adopted to

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on screen so many times in Bollywood, in Bengali film industry and everywhere.

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This film is focusing on this guy called Dev Das, who had like a childhood semi-romance

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relation with this girl called Paru, Parvati in the novel. He comes back, like when the

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girl comes of age, according to that time standard, which was 13, and then her parents

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want to marry her off. The girl actually wants to marry Dev Das, but being in from a little

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lower caste than Dev Das, who was like a landlord Brahmin family. And their parents, like the

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parents of Dev Das was not agreeing to this alliance and kind of humiliated Paru's family.

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And when Paru goes to confirm Dev Das that, no, I want to marry you, not like, not please,

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convince your parents. And then Dev Das kind of being like just a 19 year old kid, he's

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just, whatever, like, nah. And then she just gets married to someone else who was an older

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guy in his 40. And that time, Dev, after a bit, actually realizes what happened, that

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his childhood sweetheart is now someone else's wife and he goes totally berserk. Like he

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starts drinking, he destroys himself. And at this point, another girl comes to his life

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who is a sex worker from where, in the city where he was living. In the story, the city

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is Kolkata. So he was living in Kolkata and then he meets this prostitute called Chandramukhi,

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Chandu or whatever. And they have a certain relationship where Chandramukhi really falls

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for Dev Das and the naivety of the guy and Dev Das being a very heartbroken, honest person.

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He doesn't see many similar clients who are that kind of a person. So she really falls

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for that guy and she takes care of him and everything. Dev Das at first doesn't like

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her. He has this holier than thou behavior towards Chandramukhi being a prostitute and

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he belittles her a bit at the beginning. But gradually he realizes that he likes her and

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she also likes him. But at that point, Dev suffers physically a lot for his heavy drinking

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and eventually he dies. So Dev Das became very popular as a novel and also it's very

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filmy. The story was very filmy so it had been adapted on screen so many times. So when

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this film comes on theater, it assumes that the audience already know the story already.

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Why did you choose this for us? I always want to ask, as the curator, this is the second

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film you're doing.

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So this director is, for me, he's one of the best directors from Bollywood. And when he

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started, he always remained an indie filmmaker, not a big production filmmaker. He made one

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big production film that was not that good. So he remained an indie filmmaker forever.

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I'm glad they updated the ages because I think Paro at 14 is way too old.

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So with this particular adaptation, one thing that we should know is that this novel was

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written in 1917 by Sarachandra Chattopadhyay.

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Oh my god.

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Okay, just first of all guys, if anyone gives us feedback on how we pronounce the names,

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we're sorry. Please don't give us flak for that. Like, Killy is the only one that pronounces

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correctly. Please don't get mad. We're sorry. We're just going to preemptively apologize

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every episode, but we're going to screw up the names and we're very sorry.

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Yeah, it's a modern take, a modern day take. And then I think part of the fun that I would

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say watching this movie is that, you know, try to see what's different and how they adapted

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into like, you know, say the work in the modern context.

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I don't think you need to read that. I mean, because I wasn't familiar with the story.

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You weren't either when you were.

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Were you familiar with the story?

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I was familiar with it because I watched the Shah Rukh Khan adaptation. I think that was

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in early 2002. But I actually thought Dave Das was like a term that you'd find in the

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Oxford dictionary. I thought it had a meaning behind it and they just use it as a name for

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the film. It was just after watching the FD that I realized that the name Dave Das actually

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just came from a novel. So it's really just a person's name. Because we grew up calling,

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you know, like certain boys who maybe were like party goers and flirty Dave Das. So I

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thought that was a literal definition of the term. I didn't know it was associated with

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a name that came out of a novel and had been adapted to film multiple times.

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Yeah. But Killy did go like very close to the guidelines we gave him because there are

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no dance numbers in this movie.

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There definitely are dance numbers. And it was quite, I think this movie is well known

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for having such a great soundtrack, which you brought up multiple times.

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There's songs, there's not dance numbers.

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mic. It looked very-

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choir. That's it. There's three dudes that dance like the robot. Nobody in the film dances.

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say like this does hit the outlines of the one guideline we gave, which was dance numbers.

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Well, I think this movie is kind of rooted in realism. It wants to show raw experiences

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and that translates to the music numbers, right? A lot of it is just very realistic.

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That's fine. It's just as the guidelines we gave to Killy of I want music, it barely fulfilled

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like really fame popular. And this, the music director, I think he's, I can't say for now

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because I didn't research it. I don't remember exactly whether it was his, but it was his

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one of the first works that he was doing Amitrivedi. So yeah, it was really good.

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Niki, how does the movie start?

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So straight out of the bat, we realized that the movie is split into three parts. It's

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told in the perspective of three of these main characters. We start with, I think it

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was like a childhood flashback scene and it shows like Dev, our main character. He's like

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a kid, right? And he, I think what I remember, what I remember was that like, he, he was

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very rude. He's very like.

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He calls his dad by his first name. That's like our first introduction is he calls his

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dad by his first name. Have you guys ever done that?

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That's unacceptable in Desi culture. Honestly, that's like, like I told, I think I mentioned

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this while watching the film, but I don't even know my grandparents names till today

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because we don't refer to them by their names at all. You know, they're, yeah, that's like

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the biggest sign of disrespect, honestly. But I think that's rather common in America.

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Calling someone's father by his name, Satu here, that is like totally unacceptable. And

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that was the first character development for Dave that the filmmaker showed us. I think

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that this guy is just like, get on your nerves.

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It's not just like Indian culture, like in American culture, like you're a real prick

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if you call your parents by their first name. My roommates in college called their parents

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by their first names. They were like on a first name basis. They were best friends.

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American media that. But as a kid, like I can never imagine using

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like first name basis. And I'm like, you know, like I'm not like I have a super strict parents

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or they're not very conservative or anything. But I mean, even my phone is like mom and

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dad. I can't do that. But I guess the difference in the cultures is that your dad probably

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wouldn't have sent you to boarding school in London had you called him by his first

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name. And over here, that's exactly what happened. I did not get beaten ever. It was just the

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fear of God, not physical punishment that made me say dad.

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So one thing that's established is that Paro is this this woman that is completely devoted

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to him. She like she's like so in love with him. But then we see this this deaf guy. He's

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kind of a douche bag. He sleeps around. You know, he's taking advantage of her. That's

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when we know that, OK, something is, you know, something's off with this with this romance.

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that might be seen as romantic, like the just incredible devotion to an asshole. And I'm

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glad that they showed Dev as like being a prick and taking advantage of her and asking

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for nudes and just like trying to like sexually advance with her, knowing like what she'll

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do. And he doesn't care about her, obviously clearly takes her for granted. But like I

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think in another movie with maybe a different director would be seen as like romantic. I'm

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glad it's not. Yeah.

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And one thing I want to say about like the Paro's chapter here, like, I mean, they actually

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that they actually did. That's that's one of the diversion from the typical Bollywood

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culture. And they kind of did that homage to the typical Bollywood. So there was this

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film called Pardes where like a desi girl from a village. It's like it's a complete

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fetishization of Indian desi village girl from a Indian, like foreign living, foreign

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country, like Indian who lives in a foreign country, their point of view. So that has

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the scene of like, you know, that we see here, she's running through the field and that airplane

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is coming. Oh, by the way, that airplane shot like which looks like a dick. Yeah. I didn't

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notice that actually. The airplane, Sheila has like an orgasmic phase and it cross fades

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into a big phallic airplane landing. Yeah. Because Dev is arriving. Yeah. That's very

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happy. Yeah. So anyway, so that scene is kind of a homage to like that kind of thing, like

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which he's running around the field with his with her Dopa and stuff like, you know, very

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playfully. And then there's a very like a very innocent village girl look. But when

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we actually get to know Paro, we really know that she's not like the typical innocent desi

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girl. The Bollywood portraits. She she has flings with guys in the village. She has.

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Does she though? Because I feel like that was never proven in the end whether that guy

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actually was talking. She was like. Yeah, that guy lied. But there was certain hints

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that maybe she didn't sleep with him. Maybe she just made out because she's she there

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was a hint that she goes to say, like, if I would have thought I would have never done

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and then she stops. So it's like. Yeah. But she does tell Dave over the chat, right? She

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does tell Dave over the chat that she would never let any other man touch her until he

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does. For my for my reading of the film, I think that's a lie. She's telling Dave to

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keep her image to Dave. She's a she's a sexual being in Indian culture, I felt like. So like

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they gave her sexual agency, which is super nice. Like, she's clearly I don't think she's

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a virgin or at least she's experimented when they go out to the field, which we'll get

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to in a second. But she brings out the mattress. And I like that that agency that she had where

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like she brings the mattress to the field. She has a purpose of like, I want to hook

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up with this guy. It's very clear her feelings for her. And that's cool. Like she has sexual

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agency. Like she's not like super she's not an innocent child. She knows what she wants.

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And the way she arranged the the mattress and told I and she knows that she knows stuff.

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Like it's not like it's not her first rodeo with the mattress in the field. Classic trick,

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which by the way, Kelly, did you ever hook up in a field? Where was the weirdest place

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you hooked up with when you were like young and you were living with your parents? You're

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right, because you mentioned that all of India is a cock block. You said I think when you

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said all India is a cock block. No, Kelly said that because obviously, if I were in

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there for struggling to have sex when that's all they wanted to do. So Kelly said those

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exact words. So please tell us how you navigated all of that. Yeah. The problem is like you

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have to find this place like I mean, first of all, the I mean, you live with your parents

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when you come off. You're a teenager. You're still with your parents. And getting an empty

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room was a difficulty in any of the girls I dated and also in my house. So you have

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to figure out a way to get an empty room and empty house. Where? Was it the fields? For

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me, it was my friend who was from somewhere else and he had an apartment in the city.

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It's an apartment with fields. Well, I'm glad you didn't ask your friends who benefits

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to be power with it though. So yeah, yeah, that was crazy. In America, like we saw that

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with car culture, right? Like you hook up in cars and stuff. And we don't like in America,

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like it's hotels are too expensive. But like I know in Asia, like in Asia, there's love

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motels you pay hourly and stuff. America doesn't have that too much. So it was mostly cars.

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Yeah. So the knowledge changed like when we were like when I was older, like I mean, last

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few, maybe last decade, India saw the bloom of love, love models like oil. Wait, actually,

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I think a fun fact. Yeah, but a fun fact about India is that you can actually book a hotel

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with another guy or your partner unless you're married and they actually check these things.

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Yeah, most of them. All hotels are off limits unless it has this oil branding. One of the

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first things I said when I met Killy because you're from Calcutta. And I said, when I went

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there, like I went to this, I went to go to the museum. I don't remember the name. It was

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like the big Victorian monument. Yeah, the Victorian monument, right? It's a big park,

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right? Yeah. And I went in there to just go see the museum. And there is this huge park

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with trees. And I look around and everyone is like a couple hiding behind a tree being

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super handsy. And like what's going on? Like it was super PDA. Like everyone's hooking

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up at this park and in daylight. And I'm like, this is, I've never seen this in India. Like

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I've never seen anyone like hold hands or kiss. And like in a park, I'm just like looking

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and everyone's just behind a tree trunk making out. I was like, this is wild. And I asked

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Killy about it. I'm like, is this like a normal thing? And he said like, yeah, that's like

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a park. Yeah, these are love spots. There are love spots that the student, like the

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young people just go make out. Yeah. I wish we could have that in Thailand. So where do

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you hook up in Thailand? Okay. Homes, back in condos. We just don't do it out in public.

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I don't know. But like what, your parents aren't home? Yeah, when parents aren't home.

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I know, I know, I know that's the time to get funky, right? It depends also like, yeah,

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if like I'm from a joint family. So like my home was, first of all, my home, home was

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not in the city where I was living. It was in the outside of the city. Like I cannot

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take anyone there, but anyway, even if I could, it was like, it's just a joint family. It's

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like, like someone or other is there. Winnie? Growing up in Thailand? It was a rooftop

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of a building, which if anyone had a telescope or anything of that sort, it'd be in trouble.

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So like a condo building? Yeah, like the rooftop of a big condo building. With the hot Thai

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sun beating down. Was there a mattress involved? No, it was literally just, just a stool. Yeah.

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Movie theaters. All single screen, the big theater. Yeah. There was a cinema in Thailand

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called Happy Cinema and it was pretty much a bed that give you, there would be pillows

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that give you a blanket. And I'm pretty sure it was mostly high school students that booked

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out that cinema. That is so smart. Nikki, did you ever? I want to open, want to open

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karaoke club. That was my idea. There's too many already. I told you this idea. Oh yeah,

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right. So I was like, I want to open karaoke bars in India for like, for college hookups

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and high school hookups. I think that would do so well. That should be the best thing.

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Like you rent it by the hour. You play music if you want. Like, no, that's the main thing.

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Yeah. But anyway, like it's usually sound block, right? Yeah. If you guys never, like

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if I'm not on this podcast anymore, it's cause my karaoke empire in India took off. I don't

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need this shit anymore. I think if we learn anything from this movies, we can just buy

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a piece of land. Indian people know what they're doing. They'll bring their own mattresses.

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They'll find empty spots in the fields and they'll get down to business. Yeah. You don't

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need that much infrastructure. Last thing before we continue, cause this is something

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I thought about too. So, so, so Para was like in the field looking at the plane come and

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I remember too, I don't remember where I was in India, but it was a, it was a super, super

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kind of remote place. And I remember like we were just driving in like a bus or something

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going somewhere, but it was near like a small airport and a plane was taking off and all

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the cars were just stopped along the road to like watch the plane take off. Cause it

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was like a cool event that happens sometimes. Like people were like holding up their kids

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to watch and people are sitting on cars and stuff and everyone's like looking at the planes

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go by. I thought that was pretty cool. Like, yeah, yeah. It was pretty special. Those people

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are not from that area. I mean, they're coming from somewhere else and they were like, oh,

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that's a good plane. Well, let's get back to the plot because we fast forward to the

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fields pretty quickly. All right. So yeah. So the, so the main problem between Dev and

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Paro. Okay. Dev is, is very, you know, because he's so rude and everything, his parents sent

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him abroad. He was studying in the UK, I think. And then he came back to meet Paro. They rekindled

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their romance. And as we said, they do not have a place to get busy. They did not have

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a place to get jiggy with it. They cannot, everyone's always interrupting them. And yeah,

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they took it to the, the, the sugar cane fields where they're about to have sex. But then

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before that, I think, I think there was a scene like, I think, I think they were at

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Dev's brother's wedding. Yeah. As brother's wedding. And that's when Dev finds out from

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a man, another man. I don't remember his name. I think it was a man that told him that, hey,

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you know, Paro has been, she's a wild one, right? She's been sleeping around. And I think

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at that moment, I actually didn't know, because I don't know the context of the story, right?

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I thought that there was something about Paro we didn't know that maybe she actually was

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sleeping around or something. But then I think it's just this guy, I think he was just trying to

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ruin her reputation or something. He did do stuff together. That was never confirmed.

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That was never confirmed. He did. He said, like, she was like, there was a point like where she was

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saying, she was saying that otherwise I would have, so he's like, oh, you, you are behaving

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like this. If I knew that you would behave like this, I would have never, then she stops.

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When he was like, why are you going to my place to hook up with Dave? Because he knows that Paro

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is in love with Dave. So, and he's like, ah, I love you. You know that I love you. She's like,

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shut up. You know that I, I, I mean, I like Dave. Dave is here. I will be with him. So if I knew

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that you would behave like this, I would have never, and then she stops saying that. So the

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film makes the point, makes a point that it doesn't matter who she slept with. It doesn't

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matter because she loves Dave. Dave loves her, but Dave isn't like a weird asshole who just slept

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with another girl who came to the wedding. He was sleeping with someone else. Yeah. Yeah.

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She is. Just before Paro, but she, he behaves like so like holier than thou in front of Paro.

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And Paro brings up that point that when you do it, it's okay. And when I do it, it's wrong.

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Yeah. Paro calls him out on it. It doesn't matter whether I did it or not, but the fact that you

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find it's an objectionable thing and you are like making this whole scene, that makes you douchebag.

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It doesn't matter whether I did it or not. So she is very, very clear about that. And that's where

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like she wins our heart. Like, yeah, go girl. So that being said, like that man told Dave that,

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you know, she was sleeping around and Dave cannot handle that revelation. Who can?

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Like, could you imagine your current girlfriend sleeping with anyone else? Well, they've never

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really in a relationship. I mean, like if they weren't in a relationship by then, it would have

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been, I think it would have been fine, right? I don't know. I wouldn't have a problem. I mean,

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if they had a history with somebody. But I guess, you know, the point like, like Keeley said,

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the point is like, it doesn't matter. Like a very traditional in head. We're not committed to a

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relationship or anything. Also he's been doing the same thing. Yeah. Exactly. So they're in the

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Shuriken field. So they're about to get busy. They're about to do the bow chicka wow wow. And then

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he could not accept the fact that, you know, she was sleeping around. And I think he proceeded to

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like berate her for it. And even while we're watching this, we are we know that he's sleeping.

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He's also sleeping around. Wait, I don't think we should glaze over the fact that he actually

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slaps her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Physically hits her. Yeah, yeah, he did. He's very clearly

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not a good guy. Yeah, no, he's an asshole. I knew from the beginning, like, okay, this guy, I don't

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like this guy. Fuck this guy. Yeah. The minute he calls his dad his first name, I hate this guy.

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I hate him. Fucking hate him. So yeah, he confronts, I think he confronted her. But while that was

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happening, right, I think she was at home with her, like, Paro was at home with her family. And then

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they were like, so Paro is really attractive. She's getting a lot of attraction from all these

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suitors and everything. And I think that her parents were trying to set her up

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with with other people, with other men. One guy who is just so adamant. She was like, she was so adamant,

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like, she does not want to settle down with all these other men. She loves Dev. And we know that,

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you know, Dev is an asshole. And that's when she finds out that, okay, Dev doesn't actually love

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her. Yeah. So she went to confront him. And what did we find? He was sleeping with another woman.

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Yeah. Who also happens to be her suitor's sister. Yeah. Yeah. So here the film takes a little

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deviation from the actual the original story, where in the original story, it's, Dave is a

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teenager, right? And it's his parents who, like, put down the matrimony alliance that Paro and

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Paro and her family wanted with Dave. But here we clearly, we are clearly shown that Dave's parents

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always wanted Paro to be their, like, daughter-in-law. And they always thought that they, when they grow up,

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because they were so fond of each other when they were kids, when they grow up, it will be eventually

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they marrying each other because they saw that thing with their conversation, their body language.

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But here, Dave is the guy who fucks it all up. He's like, no, like, what is your Okat? Okat means,

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like, how do I put? Dowery? No, no, no. Status, like, what's your status? Like, your status is

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nothing in front of the people. Yeah, she's gonna marry, the guy she's arranged with is, like, a manager.

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Yeah. And he's like, you're always gonna be, like, with a manager, right? I think his father was a

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manager. Manager ki beti, he says, like, manager's daughter will be, like, that will be your status.

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Like, Dave is, like, an industrialist son. And he's like, don't fuck with us. Like, yeah, I mean,

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like, you are nothing. Like, just go off. And then totally destroys her, like, love for him. And then

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she get over it. And oh, yeah, here, that scene that where is after knowing that she goes back and

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wants to beat the shit out of that guy who badmouthing her. I love that scene. Yeah, so there are

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a few scenes that show that power also has a bit of a wild side to it. Right? She's pumping that

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way. A lot of rage. A lot of anger there. She has tremendous agency. Yes, yes. Like, she knows what

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she wants. She does actions towards the things she wants. She gets mad and, like, reacts towards that.

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I really do like her character. Yeah, yeah. And she speaks back to her father as well, which I think

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is a bit rare to portray when her husband when her father's trying to get her married to the suitor.

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She's just like, No, you can't tell me what to do. And she smells cigarettes. She does.

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Incredible. She took off from the, they was rolling joints, I think. Incredible. Well,

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I, okay, so I, okay, something that. They was continuously rolling something. I mean, it could

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be joint, it could be a rolled tobacco, but later given his drug abuse, I think he was joined.

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Could be herbal tea. Who are we to judge? Who knows? Yeah. He was just cleaning up his detoxing

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when he was in the village. So one interesting thing that I wanted to shed light upon is that

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there's a reason why, uh, Paro's parents didn't want her to marry Dev. Right. Oh, yeah. It's

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because they're poor family. Yeah. Dev is like high. He's very like, he's, he's from the wealthy

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upper class. He's from the industry. He's an industry. Yeah. So that is a thing, right? Like

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it's just like, we, we just have to marry somebody of the same, same class or whatever. So are they

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from the same cast, but just of different statuses or they're from completely different cast systems?

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This film doesn't talk about cast. It's in the, it's in the original material. Uh, the, it was

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also, it was both class and caste combination that they were both low in that thing. Just for people

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listening, what is the difference class and caste in this context? Class is a very economical thing,

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right? And caste is totally a social thing that has a religious stamp on it that you are born into

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a caste. You will always be in caste. Doesn't matter which class you belong to. You'll always

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be that. You cannot, you can change your class. You cannot ever change your caste. So it's a,

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it's a, it's a, I can say it's a race, class division that lived for thousands of years

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and got a religious stamp on it. So it's the rule. So that's, that's caste in a nutshell. Yeah.

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Yeah. So, uh, I guess one thing, okay, just to fast forward things a little bit, like he didn't,

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he didn't want to have sex with her and he confronted her about it. Like, you know, she

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sleep around and then she denies it. And then we have like a quick little confrontation scene

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where she goes and goes up to that guy that told Dev that she was a wild one and she would like

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fight him off and everything. And then I think we can cut this part, but, uh, it's,

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well, you know, it, I guess because of like their disagreements on what is considered okay or not

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okay in a rage, Parrow decides that, okay, I'll, I'll just marry someone. My parents chose for me

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just, just in a fit of rage and Dev just lets that happen. Right. And then he just,

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and then the day of her wedding, the day of the wedding, he just goes on a

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guest and finish a whole like 750 ml vodka bottle in one go. Yeah. And then he goes to dance. What an arrogant jerk.

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Well, he's giving me the spirits of a Punjabi wedding and I respect that.

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No, no. I mean, they're drinking, everyone is drinking and drunk, but he just bottoms up a 750 ml

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liquor bottle. That's called 10 a.m. on a Monday. I don't think I could do that. I want to touch

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upon the song that was the brass version, the Elvis Presley lookalike, the, the, the dance.

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So you mentioned this Indian Elvis is a very famous guy. He is, he's a very famous actor. Like he was

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not that famous at that point of time, but later the same, with the same director, he made a huge

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film. And then after that, people got to know like how talented he was. And he's like an amazing

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actor. And he's a huge actor in Bollywood. Nawazuddin Siddiqui. Yeah. He was just playing that,

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yeah, role of like the singer like in the brass. So that's a very, I mean,

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I have seen the live music in Punjabi in wedding. Yes, yes. Like the barat thing, like people

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dancing and going. It's always music. We always bangraing. Yeah. So yeah. Okay. So cut to, so

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anyways, he, he, the wedding, he gets drunk, cut to. Yeah. So he gets drunk and he gets wasted.

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And then suddenly we get to the next segment of the movie, which is not death, but Chandra.

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And I think this was the, this is the, this is, this was the start where it kind of hooks me in

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with the story. So you get this, this, this, this woman or girl, I don't know. Yeah. She was like

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a school girl. And which I thought was kind of weird because like she didn't look like a kid at

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all. She's in school though. She's in school. Played by this, do you know this person,

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Kiwi? Like she's a, she's actually French. Yeah. But she's French and apparently she's

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raised in India, I think. Yeah. But yes, it's, she has this white. She's married to the director,

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right? You said? Yeah. Not that point of view. I think later, later she was, she was married.

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She was married to the director. But she's fully French and she was just born and raised in India.

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Yeah. Oh, she's no Indian heritage. No, just born and raised. Because she looks super white.

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Yes. Yeah. She's French. All right. Cool. So yeah, this is Chandra, but then right,

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right from the back, we know that she's called Lenny. That's her real name. Yeah.

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We're going to find out soon enough why she changed her name to Chandra. But basically

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Lenny, you can see that Lenny is like this, I think she's from a wealthy family. She, you know,

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I think she's born from a mixed race. Like her father, her father's Indian and her mother's white.

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And right off the bat, we saw that she has an older boyfriend and we get to this quick scene

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where they're like hanging out and then suddenly they end up in a room. And then he's like just

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filming her in that school girl outfit. I thought I was, I was really uncomfortable with that scene,

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honestly. And then, and then we, we suddenly know that, okay, something's off, you know,

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she's literally asking him, why are you, why are you filming me? She goes to school and then she

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finds out that he was sharing this, shall we call it like a sex tape? Yeah. So she, she, she, she

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blew him and he filmed. MMS scandal. Actually, it was like based on one of the, one of the major

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school MMS scandal from New Delhi. It was in New Delhi. So this was based on another scandal.

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Yeah. It was a Delhi public school, New Delhi, 2004. Yeah. That happened. So that became really

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like a big, doesn't that happen all the time? It happens a lot, but that one became a huge deal.

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It's not that common to me. I think it's also a classic. It happened to someone rich.

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Does that have you ever experienced that in school? Like, do we ever have, I had seen,

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I had seen clips of someone I knew, not didn't know personally, but I knew that that person exists.

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And like in some place I used to, like I was there like in some institute and I saw her

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clip once, but it was not that much, but I, I mean, but it never became a huge

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widespread thing. I think so. I've had several incidents in back when I was in high school.

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There were like many people, a couple of girls got exposed. Their sex tapes got

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disseminated. Did it derail their lives as much as it derailed the 90s life?

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I wouldn't, I don't know them personally, but they, they, they turned out all right in the end. Right.

383
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:54,600
But then it was a big deal. These are things that actually do happen. We don't really talk about.

384
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,240
I just read actually it's, it's getting worse. I mean, like it's already pretty bad when everyone

385
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:03,400
has a camera. Cause when I grew up in high school, honestly, you just didn't have a camera. So we just

386
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,320
couldn't film. Like you didn't have, iPhones didn't come out till my first year of college when I was

387
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:13,640
a freshman. We just didn't have that. But I read now that like in high school, one in 10 kids

388
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:21,800
in high school have had like AI photos of them in sexual positions and stuff. So they don't even

389
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,640
have to do it anymore. Like the kids are just sharing like AI stuff of their classmates and

390
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:34,200
that's pretty rough. That's pretty brutal. I feel quite bad for them. Yeah. So it, you know,

391
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,320
anyone who goes through that would fuck them up pretty badly. So yeah, this was happening to Lenny,

392
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:45,240
our character here. She, you know, obviously that shamed her old family. She had to fly to another

393
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:52,280
country and then, you know, she was just getting blamed for, you know, sleeping around with this,

394
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:58,600
this older man. And then we had like a real kicker, like a punch to the stomach scene where

395
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:09,160
she's just, her father, her father saw the video and in a, in a moment of disgust, I guess he was

396
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:15,880
like ashamed that he saw it. He just kills himself. Yeah. So I mean, like he shoots himself in the face

397
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,000
from a Freudian perspective. If you're like a teenage girl, like the, the, the straight line

398
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:28,680
from like, I sucked a man's dick and now my father's dead. Like it's a pretty traumatic event. And,

399
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:36,040
and, but like also, you know, uh, uh, I think a pretty good metaphor for what happens, right? Like,

400
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,640
you know, your father dies as you become an adult, but it's pretty fucked that like,

401
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,600
she just does this thing. And now like, because of that small act of becoming an adult,

402
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,280
she realizes, you know, her father's a sexual being and then her father like dies as a result.

403
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,760
And now she's fully into adulthood. I would, I would rephrase sexual being to sexual predator,

404
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,240
because I don't think it's normal for any father to watch your daughter's sex tape. And yeah,

405
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:03,000
and she accuses him as well. She's like, Oh, did you get off of it? You sick jerk, right? And that's,

406
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,160
that whole scene is very disturbing. And what's more disturbing is the fact that people end up

407
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,920
blaming her for his death. Right? So there's a scene where she's sitting with her grandma

408
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,280
and her grandma's like, are you going to kill me the same way you killed your father?

409
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,720
Right. And so she's pretty much shunned from the entire story.

410
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,560
She's like, I'm not going to scissor my classmate grandma. You're not going to watch my scissoring video and kill yourself.

411
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,960
And the saddest part was like that scene where she makes a phone call to her mom to maybe try to like

412
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,720
work things out, ask her mom to get her out of the situation. And her mom's just listening and ignores

413
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:34,280
the whole thing. So you can tell that everybody blames him for her, blames her for his death.

414
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,680
Yeah, her mom hates her, her whole family hates her, her dad killed her himself, like she's in a bad spot.

415
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:47,880
Yeah. It's a thing. It's like the dad's curiosity for her, his daughter's sex tape. I mean, he wanted to see what was there.

416
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,600
Still wrong. Yeah, that's totally wrong. So that's why he kills her himself.

417
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,400
He goes on to say, well, she obviously knew what she was doing. Yeah. So that statement. Yeah.

418
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,040
Yeah. The subtitles were correct, right? Yeah.

419
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:03,560
Oh yeah. The subtitles.

420
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,520
The subtitles.

421
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,480
It's better if he's like, you didn't know at all what you were doing. Like you're an amateur, like do better.

422
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:11,880
Okay. So.

423
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:18,760
So I think, I mean, in her father's defense, I think like he was, not defense, okay. Yeah. I mean, I think.

424
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:19,480
Hang on.

425
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:31,800
I think, I think like he is just meaning that whether she was assaulted or it was like a, whether it was an assault or like, I think that's what he wanted to mean.

426
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,720
No, he was a slut comment. Like you've done this a lot.

427
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:40,360
I don't think he would have shot himself had he not felt guilty for what he did. Yeah. So it was obviously out of wrong reasons.

428
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:49,480
They're both realizing like he's realizing his daughter is a sexual being and he can't handle it. And then she has to deal with the aftermath of that.

429
00:38:49,480 --> 00:39:00,840
Yeah. She did. And she dealt with the aftermath she did because she was just shamed. And I think she was living with her family, her father, the father side of her family.

430
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,680
And like they were just shaming her. They were threatening to kill her, like strip her naked, burn her in the fields.

431
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:14,040
And she just like, you know, she was just, she just wants, she needs to get out of there. And I think she was just traveling alone. She was all alone.

432
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:21,800
She, she, she went to Delhi. Yeah. And that's when she meets the, you know, no one else, sir. Like no, no, none of her friends helping her.

433
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:33,800
And she would ultimately meet what she will become where she will, she meets like a mama son, mama son, like a prostitution ring or whatever, whatever you want to call it.

434
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:41,080
And they promised that she could, you know, finish her studies. Yes. Yeah. As long as she becomes a prostitute.

435
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:52,120
So this is the funniest montage though. I gotta say, cause like, so she meets like the pimp and the pimp is like a really short guy with like a very slim ponytail,

436
00:39:52,120 --> 00:40:06,920
slick back hair, like, he has like, you know, a really bright red like tie and suit. And it's like, you know, number one, like I know pimps stand out, but never understood why. Cause I feel like if you're committing crimes, you want to like blend in and not be obvious as a pimp.

437
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:16,040
But then the second thing is they are like, Hey, you know, like you go, you stay at this hotel, you're going to go to school, like you're going to get good grades and we're going to support you.

438
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:23,960
And like, it sounds like a dope life and like they're showing her getting grades and like the pimp and the mama son are all congratulating her for the good grades.

439
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,600
There's only like one sex scene involved with a customer where she's like spanking the customer.

440
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:39,480
Like it's as far as like montages go for like getting involved in the sex trade, like involuntarily almost, it seems really nice. And the pimp is not mean, the pimp doesn't hurt her.

441
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:46,040
Like he like really is like in a very encouraging figure. It seems like she's having a great time.

442
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,680
Yeah. I think that's very interesting because this movie definitely glorifies sex work to some degree.

443
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,600
And I think that's interesting in a sense that usually that's frowned upon, especially in India.

444
00:40:54,600 --> 00:41:02,280
When you think of that, it's usually portrayed in slums, you know, women who are there by force have no other choice, but this movie really makes an attempt to glorify it.

445
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,440
Would you say it's empowering in a sense? Like it would empower her sexuality.

446
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:13,480
I think it would have been empowering had she not been a minor who had gone through all those things where ultimately she was also left with no choice.

447
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,760
This was the only place that took her in, you know, gave her a home.

448
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:17,800
But they just...

449
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,000
Pimps make it a point that you are a minor, you don't have to do anything.

450
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,840
Right. And he obviously he says that he's like, you don't have to do anything you don't want to and you can wait till you know, you're an adult.

451
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:32,520
And so like he she's given a lot of choice, which I don't know how accurate that is portrayal for sex work in India.

452
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,520
I think very little accuracy is involved with that.

453
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:43,640
Yeah, but I think it is empowering in the way for its time, especially because like Gangubai came out a few years ago and that was a highly sexually empowering movie for sex workers.

454
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:56,120
Also, I think it's kind of showing a little upscale brothel here where the girls are not all like there are a lot of like foreigner girls, like white girls.

455
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,840
And she's also like half white.

456
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,160
I mean, in the story, she's like mixed race.

457
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:01,880
Right.

458
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:11,480
So and also the decor of the interior and that kind of looked like it's an upscale brothel.

459
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,480
Like it's not the rundown brothel like the area where it's...

460
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,080
Yeah, they have like an HR, you like clock in and clock out.

461
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,080
You can report your problems.

462
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,600
Like, yeah, it's all digital payment service.

463
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,040
Yeah, it's like super clean.

464
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,240
Like she's having a blast.

465
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,120
She learns a lot about herself.

466
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,040
She's having the time of her life.

467
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,120
And but it's also like white privilege.

468
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,280
Like if she wasn't a white girl, none of this would have happened.

469
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,680
Yeah, the film probably saw it as a bit of an investment, right?

470
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:44,040
They like give her some time, few years, but then at some point she's going to bring in a lot of money because she's in high demand.

471
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,560
So yeah, she's like a high demand prostitute.

472
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,120
That's what we know.

473
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,960
She must be nice.

474
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,080
That's when we know that she changes her name to Chanda.

475
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:53,400
Yeah.

476
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,040
Which is what?

477
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,920
What's the name?

478
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,880
What does the name mean?

479
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:02,280
Well, it's a flower, but the point is like when she takes up the name, she was watching the Devdas film.

480
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,160
That's right.

481
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,520
That's when the Chandramukhi character was dancing on the screen.

482
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,760
And that's when she turns back and decides on a name to be her name.

483
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,880
There's a lot of references.

484
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,800
Lot of references to the actual Devdas film.

485
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:22,120
There are posters of that film in places like they at two or three places that film was being played on the TV.

486
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,040
You see, if you never told me that, I wouldn't have picked up on it.

487
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,760
Yeah, those are like things that you can ignore.

488
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,320
You cannot.

489
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,200
I mean, but like, yeah, it's a nice trivia point that they added in the film.

490
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:40,440
So, Kili, correct me if I'm wrong, but is this really the first Devdas adaptation where they actually showed a backstory to Chanda?

491
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,960
You know, because I think in the Shahrukh Khan adaptation, she's kind of there.

492
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,240
She's already a sex worker.

493
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:46,920
You don't see how she became one.

494
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:47,160
Yes.

495
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,040
Yes, you're right.

496
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,280
Because also in the story, actual story, there is no backstory to Chanda.

497
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,280
Oh, so the first time you see the backstory.

498
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:54,600
Yeah.

499
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,040
I think that's great.

500
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,280
That's a new dimension to the character in a way, right?

501
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,720
Because in the actual story, Chanda is just there to serve Dev.

502
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,560
She has literally no other agency in the whole thing.

503
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,840
She's just like worshiped Dev because she saw something in him.

504
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:17,560
She just loves him for no reason, even though Dev was like very condescending to her for her being a sex worker.

505
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,960
And him visiting her, but he belittles her for being a sex worker.

506
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,320
And she's just like, oh, I like this guy.

507
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,040
Yeah.

508
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,000
In the novel, is she high class as well?

509
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,640
No, she's just a sex worker.

510
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,600
I mean, some kind of, I mean, yeah.

511
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,480
Her status in the sex working racket is not ever mentioned.

512
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:39,720
Yeah.

513
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:41,720
So I think that is good though to show the background.

514
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,880
Because she is from a high-sale family.

515
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,360
Yeah.

516
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:50,280
She has houses in the Swiss Alps and stuff. And so that's why she's a good match for Dev in the movie at least.

517
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,560
Because she can speak his language and doesn't have to look up to him because she knows where he comes from, which is nice.

518
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:55,800
Yeah.

519
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,760
Well, it's really great that the director made both of the central female characters,

520
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,480
Paro and Chanda, in a very multifaceted dimension, right?

521
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,120
They both have a lot of sexual agency to them.

522
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:08,440
Yeah.

523
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,160
They're progressive.

524
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,840
She's not sad.

525
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,720
Right, not at all.

526
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:15,160
I mean, that's what she says, like, you know, I have processed my grief.

527
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,640
Because they keep saying, okay, we'll say that.

528
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,760
Yeah, so how does she meet Dev?

529
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:28,600
So yeah, I think she just suddenly, like, they just, I think the brothel just suddenly brings this,

530
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,080
there was this guy that's just super wasted.

531
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:31,480
Yeah.

532
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,880
And turns out, it's just Dev.

533
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,400
And then that's when I start to know, okay, clearly their paths are going to intertwine

534
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,200
and he's going to learn something and she's going to fall in love with him.

535
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,640
And she does fall in love with him, right?

536
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,960
She just sees something in Dev.

537
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,200
She just loves him for years.

538
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,920
But the problem with Dev is that even though with all the self-destructive

539
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,520
tendencies that he's up to, he just would not let Paro go.

540
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:59,560
Right?

541
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,720
I think he was so dead set on trying to win Paro back.

542
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:07,560
I think after that scene, the final chapter starts with what's called Dave D.

543
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:07,800
Yeah.

544
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,280
Where Dave's journey after Paro's wedding is started.

545
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:18,440
Yeah, so he gets brought in to Chandah and that's when we get to the third and most

546
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,960
important part of the film, which is like the Dev side of the story.

547
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,920
We get to see this really, so I think one of the first few things about Dev's segment is that

548
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:35,560
he goes on this drinking binge, smoking up, he's getting high, whatever.

549
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:42,360
But there were so many visually striking moments with the cinematography, I think.

550
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,160
Like the way he was going on a bender, right?

551
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,720
And I think that's when the directors, filmmaking...

552
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:55,640
Yeah, the cinematography, the colors are so strong and nice.

553
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:56,680
The cinematography was just phenomenal.

554
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,160
I loved it.

555
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,120
It was just great.

556
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,040
Yeah, it's a very well-made...

557
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,800
He was just going on one of his drug binges and I think

558
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,360
I think he was trying to win Paro back, right?

559
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,720
There was like, he was trying to win her back.

560
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:12,440
I think there was a plot where he was trying to get...

561
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,280
You need to fill me in on this.

562
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:20,280
There was a plot where he was trying to set them up to meet or something with Paro.

563
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,920
Yeah, so what happens is like Paro is now married.

564
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:30,040
So the guy Paro married to, his sister was the girl with whom Dave was hooking up, right?

565
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:35,320
So Dave knew that, of course. So he comes to New Delhi and then he calls her up,

566
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:42,680
calls the girl up with whom he hooked up and then he just stalks from far to that...

567
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,120
He gets the address.

568
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,040
Oh yeah, he was stalking them.

569
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,520
Yeah, so he gets the address from the girl saying that I will meet you, like,

570
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:57,240
give me your address so that he knows where Paro is and then he just starts stalking from a...

571
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,040
under construction building.

572
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:05,480
Yeah, it's like the music video for Google dolls, like Iris with the guy with all the telescopes, right?

573
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,360
Like looking at the tower. So he has like a shitty telescope and he's looking out at them,

574
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,520
which as a kid who was obsessed with telescopes, that doesn't work like that.

575
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,840
I had like all the binoculars and telescopes I could get my hands on because I was obsessed

576
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,520
with spy equipment as a kid and like his old brass telescope...

577
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,440
Oh come on, as a kid, I...

578
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,040
Wait, I mean, you guys, were you guys obsessed with spy equipment?

579
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,040
I'm really glad you didn't grow up in Thailand or my rooftop shenanigans would not have been at well.

580
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,840
In American commercials, like everything was geared towards spy equipment.

581
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,360
Like they advertised like VHS things, like you could like spy on your parents or your sister or whatever.

582
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:48,760
I had a roommate who bought a binocular because from the window he could see some women taking...

583
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,320
dipping, swimming in the pond.

584
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,320
Okay, and I want to clarify this. When I say spy, I don't mean being a peeping tom.

585
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:06,040
I know, I know. I was a very decent nice boy and I just wanted to spy on people because spying was cool.

586
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,040
I had sunglasses that had mirrors on the edges. You could see who was behind you.

587
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:16,840
And I did this one thing where I removed the power socket from my wall and put like an empty space in there

588
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:22,840
so I could hide stuff and stuff stuff in there. I was all about like secret compartments and hidden pockets and spy equipment.

589
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:30,840
And my parents were very supportive of this. So I just like would show secret pockets on everything and just spy on everyone.

590
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,840
That's nice.

591
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,840
Adam, what were you hoping to see? Please enlighten us.

592
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,840
Something that other people hiding.

593
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:44,840
People, you know, you know, like I still to this day want to be a private investigator.

594
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,840
So do you still sit out with your telescope on the balcony and spy on people till today?

595
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,840
So that's why you call the C now.

596
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,840
Yeah.

597
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,840
Alright, so anyway.

598
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:06,840
So yeah, so there he goes and then he meets the girl who he called and then just treats her as another sex object.

599
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:12,840
He's just like in a bus, yeah, and then like with a very disgusted face.

600
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,840
And the girl is like, where are we going? Where are we going? Like where is the date?

601
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:26,840
And he's just to my hotel. I just want to fuck like, you know, like and the girl gets disgusted and leaves Dave and Davis goes on a bender after that.

602
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,840
Like he says he's again and again going on bender. That's this thing.

603
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:40,840
And then, OK, so when you said like he wants to win over Paro, that's the thing is like he calls Paro's home at middle of the night because she took the phone number from that girl.

604
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,840
Right. So calls her at the middle of the night.

605
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:51,840
Her husband picks up the phone and he just like curses Dave for obvious reasons.

606
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:59,840
And then next day, Paro comes to meet Dave to his shitty motel wherever he was staying.

607
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:15,840
And she cleans up all his apartment, washes his clothes and does that does everything, does a homemade service on his apartment, like out of care for Dave.

608
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:21,840
So it shows that Paro is still caring for Dave and Dave wants to have sex with her.

609
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:30,840
And she just gives into that that, OK, I'll have sex. But when they're about to have sex, Paro just flips.

610
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:36,840
There was a pivotal point where she was saying something like, I'm showing you for who you are.

611
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,840
Yeah. Something like that.

612
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:52,840
Because it's a play that Dave told her that right when she came for asking for to marry her, he said out of rage that, oh, what's your status, man?

613
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:59,840
And now Paro sees Dave as a loser boy living his loser life in a shitty motel room.

614
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,840
We start to see his decline.

615
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,840
When they do try to have sex, she does say you do what you want, but I'm not taking my clothes off.

616
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,840
Oh, yeah. I'm really curious how that would have played out.

617
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,840
Yeah, I think like she's just saying that I'm just doing a service to you.

618
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:21,840
Yeah, I am not. I love pity sex. I'll tell you what.

619
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,840
This is also a big deviation from the original Dave does, right?

620
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,840
Because I think in the original film or the Shah Rukh Khan film, I should say, because that's my only reference point.

621
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,840
Paro stays in love with Dave until the very end.

622
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:33,840
Yeah. Right. Yeah.

623
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:42,840
And over here, you can kind of tell that she's had so much character growth to the point that she realizes she sees him for what he is and she walks away.

624
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,840
She's like, I have a good husband. I have kids. Like, I moved on. You're the one that's stuck.

625
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,840
You're the big loser. Like, I'm an adult with a family.

626
00:52:52,840 --> 00:53:02,840
Yeah. I mean, also, like in Dave's defense for in the original source material, I mean, he's not that big of an asshole there.

627
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:12,840
So Paro, of course, like, is not that strongly hateful towards him because he was not that big of an asshole to Paro.

628
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,840
But like this Dave is.

629
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:23,840
Yeah. And during the scene is when Killy was like, oh, man, the dialogue is so good because like, you know, Paro and Deb are having this like back and forth.

630
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:30,840
And I guess what Killy was watching, it was like a very like, you know, nice wordplay and they're attacking each other.

631
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,840
And we are just looking like dog shit subtitles.

632
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,840
It doesn't really make that much sense. And we're just like, keep looking to like, what the fuck are they like?

633
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:47,840
Well, how is this good? And like the subtitles just got a lot of things wrong, like, like got like people wrong and pronouns wrong.

634
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:57,840
And like, so I just want to say throughout this film, like we did have a slightly different movie experience because the subtitles for us were so different than like.

635
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:03,840
And then they would like they would have English words, the characters would speak English words and then the subtitle would be wrong.

636
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,840
So like when they said that, like they were like watching porn, the subtitle called it erotic.

637
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:15,840
Like Deb calls Chandra like a sex worker, but in the subtitles it's a flesh trader.

638
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,840
They're saying the English word. He says sex worker in English and like the subtitle is wrong.

639
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,840
So like I see a totally different movie, too.

640
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,840
So I just want to say that as well, like if we're referencing stuff like it might have been different.

641
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,840
I remember one place it was a huge character growth.

642
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:36,840
Like, I mean, it's a dialogue that gives Chandra's character out on like this play, right?

643
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:46,840
So she says like she's say like the first night, the Chunni, the the the Pimp brings Dave to there.

644
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:54,840
And when Dave is leaving next morning, she tells Dave that don't bring him here second time.

645
00:54:54,840 --> 00:55:00,840
He will fall in love with me. And that's what she says in Hindi.

646
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,840
And the subtitle is like, don't bring him here second time. I will fall in love with him.

647
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,840
Like it's a it's a totally opposite thing that she says.

648
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,840
And it's totally takes out the meaning of what she wanted to mean.

649
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,840
It totally takes out her swagger towards like the whole.

650
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,840
And it makes it worse because like the guy that made the subtitles keeps advertising his subtitles throughout the movie.

651
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:32,840
So yeah, it's a poor Mender Monkhu flashes his phone number, his WhatsApp and his email constantly throughout the film, even though he's very wrong.

652
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:38,840
And we will have a future episode where we call him and dress him down because he needs to stop advertising because he's bad.

653
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,840
And poor Mender, I don't like you.

654
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:47,840
Basically, we watch an R rated film with PG 13 rated subtitles.

655
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,840
How is Flesh Trader nice?

656
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,840
It's like a Star Wars term for like what you call like a mercenary.

657
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,840
Well, at some other point of film, they said sex work and that was trans.

658
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,840
That was subtitled as sex work. So, you know, that those terms were not even off limits.

659
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:07,840
He just willingly voluntarily chose to interpret as a flash trader.

660
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,840
Flash Trader. Yeah. Why?

661
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,840
A slut like Chandu Chandu always calls Dave a slut.

662
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,840
You're going to have to change that to Flesh Trader when we edit this.

663
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,840
A slut is changed by a strumpet.

664
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:21,840
Strumpet.

665
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:28,840
They keep calling him a strumpet, which is like Dickensian word for like a Victorian slut.

666
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:37,840
So Dev and Chandra, they keep meeting in between while Dev is going through his binges and trying to win a parrow back.

667
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,840
You know, they have this back and forth and you can see that Chandra is starting.

668
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:42,840
I think she does fall in love with him.

669
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,840
Yeah, of course. She starts liking him.

670
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:52,840
She starts taking others. She stops taking other clients and just hangs out with Dave the whole time.

671
00:56:52,840 --> 00:57:01,840
And then like, yeah, like a couple that start like a new sweet couple, they start go do like some stuff.

672
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,840
But yeah, that's us.

673
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,840
And the pimp doesn't care.

674
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:05,840
The pimp cares at the end.

675
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,840
He's the nicest pushover pimp in the world.

676
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,840
He's like, well, if you have to fall in love, I guess.

677
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,840
He's like, I won't do anything bad to you.

678
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:19,840
It's disappointing for me because my income stream is gone, but I'm not going to touch you and you're free to do whatever you want.

679
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,840
He's the biggest pushover pimp I've ever seen in my life.

680
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,840
I don't know how he's successful at his job.

681
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,840
Pimp with a heart of gold.

682
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:35,840
I want to see a movie about him how he bleeds money because he just like these girls just like run him and like he just like can't really do anything.

683
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,840
That's why he lives in such a shitty place.

684
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:43,840
He spent all his money on his ties and then was like, I just can't, I can't control these people.

685
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:44,840
He's like a small shack.

686
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:52,840
But he notices Dev and he intentionally picks him out and just gets him massively drunk so that he can take her take him back to Chanda.

687
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:53,840
But then he's like, egg on my face.

688
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,840
I guess you guys get married.

689
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,840
Goodbye.

690
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,840
I'll spend 10 years investing in someone else.

691
00:57:58,840 --> 00:57:59,840
All right.

692
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:06,840
I think I think what he did, but at the end, like she did, he tells her that what are you doing?

693
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,840
Like, why are you hanging out?

694
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,840
Please, Chanda, please go back to work.

695
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:12,840
Please.

696
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:19,840
He even calls, he even calls Dev that, dude, like, don't be friends with sex work.

697
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,840
Don't keep girls in Delhi.

698
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,840
Like, just do them.

699
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,840
Like, yeah, and get over it.

700
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,840
Do you think any pimp watched this movie and was influenced to be a better person?

701
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,840
I think all of them.

702
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:38,840
I think this movie solves sex work and all the pins are pretty nice now because they saw the lesson, which is they will all leave your business if you're nice.

703
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,840
So I think they probably did all change.

704
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,840
Yeah. So so power rebuffs them.

705
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,840
Right. And that's when Dev decides, oh, maybe I maybe I'll just just get with Chanda.

706
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,840
Maybe maybe I love maybe I love Chanda.

707
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,840
Chanda just says, like, I think she gives him a reality check.

708
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:59,840
She gives a reality check that, you know, you should have just apologized to Paro.

709
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:00,840
Yeah, that was me.

710
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:07,840
And she just she just wouldn't because this guy, he's like an arrogant self-absorbed jerk.

711
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,840
And I don't think he would ever realize that.

712
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:16,840
And, you know, I think there were he has to come to terms that Chanda is also a prostitute.

713
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:17,840
Right. Yeah.

714
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,840
So I mean, which is sorry, I just want to I just noticed this, too, which is fun.

715
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,840
That is growth, actually, because he wouldn't get with Paro because she slept with other people.

716
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,840
Now he's getting with a prostitute. Yeah.

717
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:27,840
That is growth. Yeah.

718
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,840
That's getting over women's sexual agency.

719
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,840
I just realized. Yeah. Yeah.

720
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,840
That's cool. Not quite, though, because there is a scene where a customer comes in and he that's when he decides to try to leave.

721
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,840
Yeah. He wanted to propose her.

722
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,840
Yeah. No, but no, I don't talking about women's past, not present.

723
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:45,840
OK. Fair enough.

724
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,840
Oh, you mean like he doesn't like being cucked?

725
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,840
Yeah.

726
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:51,840
I mean, yeah. How could he not?

727
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,840
The film did not explore his cucked fantasies.

728
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,840
No, but yeah, he's OK with women's past now.

729
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,840
Yeah. That's the progress.

730
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,840
But sadly for our hero, Dev, he's like he's not getting what he wants.

731
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,840
He's not getting with Paro. He's not going to get with Chanda.

732
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,840
Yeah. He goes. He continues to go on this path of like self destruction.

733
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,840
I think he brings he brings the wedding ring he was supposed to give Paru.

734
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:24,840
And then he brings it for Chanda and that time he sees that Chanda got a new customer and then he just throws it to the trash and leaves and go on another bender.

735
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,840
And after that bender, very cool music video during all his bender.

736
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,840
That's the most we were. We were so absorbed by the cinematography of the music video.

737
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:39,840
But then it comes to like a screeching halt where he just suddenly runs over people.

738
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,840
Yeah. Seven or six people.

739
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,840
I forgot I did something like that now.

740
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,840
It just runs over people.

741
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:53,840
That's also that's also based on a true incident where it's a 99 daily hit and run case, six dead.

742
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,840
There were like three police officers as well.

743
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:00,840
Police as well. And then it was a Kennedy.

744
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,840
He pulls a Kennedy. He drives. He runs over people in his BMW car.

745
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,840
Yeah. That's what every rich kid does, which is kill poor people on the street.

746
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,840
Yeah. I think we can find multiple true stories.

747
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:17,840
I think he got kind of with it for a bit.

748
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:23,840
But the case was reopened and he got some kind of he was sentenced to making momos the rest of his life.

749
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,840
I think he spent two years in jail and he got off on community service.

750
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,840
Yeah. But he was acquitted originally.

751
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,840
That's like two months for every person you kill.

752
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,840
Six people. Yeah.

753
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,840
Six or seven. I think it was seven people.

754
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,840
In the true story, it's based off on his six people, but in the film, it's seven people.

755
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:43,840
And that's when we start to say things for death that his life is just falling apart.

756
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,840
Like there was just no turning back now.

757
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,840
And at the same time, his father is dead.

758
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,840
And his father passes away in shock.

759
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,840
While all that was happening, his father bailed him out.

760
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,840
I think he bailed him out. Right?

761
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,840
No, no, no. So he gets the sympathy from the court.

762
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,840
Right. Oh, yes.

763
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,840
I don't think he knew that his father is dead.

764
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,840
I don't remember.

765
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,840
This is great podcast material.

766
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,840
We're like, what happened?

767
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:18,840
I think there's an earlier scene where his dad is sick and he calls Dev to maybe come and meet him.

768
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:23,840
And Dev says no. And then his mom is telling the father, like, why did you buy him a car?

769
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,840
And so you see his father softening up to him after many years of maybe finding him too hotheaded.

770
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,840
But he buys him this car because he's his son after all. Right?

771
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,840
And then later on, this is the exact car that he has the accident in.

772
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,840
He still calls him by his name.

773
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,840
Right. And throughout this scene, he's still calling him Sattu.

774
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,840
He's still being a dickhead.

775
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:46,840
And I think this movie shows every Indian kid's biggest fear, which is your actions will literally make your parents kill themselves.

776
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,840
Those two things that make their parents kill themselves, which I think is the greatest fear of all.

777
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,840
But also a big lesson learned from this is boarding school will not fix your kids.

778
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,840
Weird. We keep trying that one.

779
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,840
Yeah, I think while that was happening.

780
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,840
The poor grandson built on the sympathy ground that his father died.

781
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,840
Maybe that's why he was going to the hospital.

782
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,840
I love that shit. Hey, we're so sorry.

783
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,840
You ran over seven people in your Beamer, but you were on drugs and your father's dead.

784
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:19,840
So, you know, no biggie. Just don't do it again. Hey, poor person that stole an apple. We're going to kill you.

785
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,840
I don't even think that was all the end of it.

786
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:28,840
Like he attended his father's funeral and then his brother says you're not he's not going to get the inheritance money or something.

787
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,840
Like he's getting cut off.

788
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,840
Here is the money for your court.

789
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,840
It was like a partial money.

790
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:43,840
And then and he asked for like, what about me? And his brother is like, just fuck off.

791
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,840
You are done with him. Done with this family. He totally cuts.

792
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:54,840
So his life is in shambles. He just uses like whatever little money he has to like travel around the country.

793
01:03:54,840 --> 01:04:00,840
He asked. He asked. He asked. No, before that he asked.

794
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:07,840
He's about finding your true calling as a momo cook. Yeah.

795
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:15,840
Oh, I love he he he he goes on a trip. He asked the taxi driver whose name is also the same as his father's name.

796
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,840
Oh, yeah, that's it. I don't know about that.

797
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,840
What? OK. Yeah.

798
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,840
So also he's going to take a break. We need to see a bunch of momos.

799
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:32,840
We're back. Yeah. I mean, he he goes on this with the taxi.

800
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:43,840
It's a car car driver like goes on a trip where the driver drugs him up and then like throws him in a forest and then takes all his money and runs away.

801
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:48,840
And then now he actually is like has nothing apart from anything.

802
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:59,840
And then I think he hikes with with a motorbike rider like who was traveling in Kashmir, maybe some kind of some mountains in near Delhi.

803
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:05,840
And he gets he brings him back to Delhi as well. He does a short detour trip over a music video.

804
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:14,840
Yeah. So he comes back and then he miraculously find the exact car parked parked by the street.

805
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:19,840
And then he just takes his bag like a small sachet bag back.

806
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:25,840
He doesn't even take any money back like the money that the taxi driver stole from him.

807
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,840
No, he gets robbed at some point. Right. Yeah.

808
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:41,840
That's that's the driver robbed him, like drugged him at the dhaba, like at the place where they were drinking and then throws him in the forest and then takes all his money because he was having the whole cash for the lawyer.

809
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,840
Right. So he doesn't take the money back from the taxi anymore.

810
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,840
He just takes his bag back and goes to drink again.

811
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:56,840
Can we just talk about how this guy just ran over seven people because he did an insane amount of drugs and alcohol.

812
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:03,840
And when he gets four days free, he decides to just continue drinking and taking drugs.

813
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,840
Well, that's what the lenient punishment would do to you.

814
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,840
Nothing bad will happen.

815
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,840
Yeah, you can always follow the safety net of momos.

816
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,840
Momos the best. Yeah.

817
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:23,840
I want momo. So yeah, so he's making momos because he's like down on his luck.

818
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:34,840
And then I think he just wants to find Chanda again. He goes to drink to like a country liquor shop and then he cannot pay, gets beaten, thrown out.

819
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:44,840
And then next thing next thing is like the so there was a scene where he went to go eat momo with Chandu Chanda.

820
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:50,840
And then he pays the momo seller the his money.

821
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:59,840
And then when he gives his change back, which was so we can see like he paid a lot of money to the momo seller, which was not supposed to be two plates.

822
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:05,840
And then whenever he is about to bring the change, he's like, no, keep it. So he gave a huge money to the momo.

823
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,840
So he kind of liked the guy. So who doesn't like the guy that gives you momo?

824
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:18,840
No, no, no, no. He kind of like the guy as in the momo seller liked him because he gave a huge tip, like which is not the normal tip to give to a street vendor.

825
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:31,840
So he sees him like lying on the street like like a hobo and then like homeless person. And then he just gives him a job to the you gave me a lot of money.

826
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,840
You must need a job now because you gave me all of your money.

827
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:46,840
Yeah, he was just wandering around the country aimlessly. And then he just experiences this car like a literal car just drives towards him and crashes into the wall next to us.

828
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,840
And we get this really cool slow mo shot of this car.

829
01:07:51,840 --> 01:08:01,840
And it's a very significant scene because I think this is where he starts to realize that like, oh, he's almost he almost died in this in that moment.

830
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:10,840
And that's when you know, this is the moment, the character development moment where he's going to turn his leaf around, turn his turn.

831
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,840
We all turn our leaves around.

832
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:29,840
Turn your leaf around.

833
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,840
Turn your leaf around.

834
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:49,840
Turn around and you leave. He just turned around and you leave. And then I can't because he was almost like he almost died like he killed other people like like he was almost the poor person that he killed in the car.

835
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:56,840
Right. So he finally for once experiences, you know, a near death experience like the one that he caused everyone else.

836
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:03,840
And it probably makes him, you know, be self reflective and hungry for momos. Yeah, like he was he realizes what he has been doing to people.

837
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:09,840
I think that's that's kind of like like the emblematic of that thing that they are.

838
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,840
That's what I've been like. I've been an asshole. I've killed seven people.

839
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,840
Apparently he didn't process the fact that he killed seven people until that very moment.

840
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:26,840
All that narcissistic. Because he was supposed to go back to Delhi and report it to report the police station and everything. He didn't do anything. He was just drinking.

841
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:32,840
And then for some reason Chanda appears. And he finds Chanda.

842
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:39,840
That's what the momo seller told her told him that she she was here. She comes here. So he couldn't find her in the same brothel.

843
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:47,840
The brothel owner said that she left the brothel after Dave was gone. That's how he cannot find Chanda anymore.

844
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:54,840
So he the momo momo finds him and momo momo seller tells him that Chanda will come here.

845
01:09:54,840 --> 01:10:01,840
Like she comes sometimes here. So he started he gives him a job as well. Oh my God. Jesus Christ.

846
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,840
I'm cutting all that part. So whatever. Please go.

847
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:10,840
We're almost at the end right. Yeah Chanda picks him up.

848
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:15,840
She takes Dave to her place and showers him up cleans him up.

849
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:24,840
And that's when Chandra that's when Dave says Chandra that OK I see now I never loved Paro.

850
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:29,840
I never even looked at her properly like who she was.

851
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:35,840
So that's when Dave realizes he only he was a narcissistic asshole who only thought about himself.

852
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:45,840
He never even so all his rage all his anger drinking issue is not out of love for Paro.

853
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:52,840
It was his ego being bruised. So that's when that's what the last statement he gives to Chanda.

854
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:57,840
After that I think they go. I mean he has to go to jail anyway.

855
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:03,840
Which was pretty sudden right. Like I thought I actually thought he was going to die.

856
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,840
Like I thought this we were it felt like the movie.

857
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:13,840
I've seen a lot of movies where you have this protagonist that he's like an asshole and we learn we get to know it.

858
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,840
We get to expect that this this asshole is going to get what's coming to him.

859
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:26,840
Yeah he does a lot of bad bad. A lot of his actions have consequences and it would ultimately lead to his downfall.

860
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:31,840
And from what I was watching I actually thought he was going to die.

861
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:40,840
But then Chanda saves him. And I think that I think the movie kind of ends in a more in a very upbeat way which kind of took me by surprise.

862
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:46,840
Like he was just like OK I'm going to start my life anew or whatever.

863
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,840
Like yeah with like I'm a new man now. What do you feel about that.

864
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,840
How was how was that how the original story.

865
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,840
No that's the thing. The original Devdas dies. He does die.

866
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:01,840
He's supposed to die. Because he becomes miserable. He never changes.

867
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,840
He just drinks drinks drinks and he just dies at the end.

868
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:16,840
So here I think the filmmaker took it up to say that oh no even even someone like Devdas can like really try to redeem himself.

869
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,840
Like after all this crime and everything.

870
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,840
I don't know how you can get back after killing seven people.

871
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,840
I think he has to. I mean who hasn't. Oh you haven't.

872
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,840
I think he has to go to jail. That's it. I don't know.

873
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,840
I mean considering like what in reality didn't happen.

874
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:39,840
So yeah it didn't really. The guys got away with it.

875
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,840
So I think in the original film A he doesn't kill anyone.

876
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,840
B he dies from his heavy drinking.

877
01:12:45,840 --> 01:13:00,840
So I think it's very interesting that for this film the director decided to make him so guilty of a crime where he killed seven people and then at the same time decided to kind of show this happy ending where he does not die and he still has a second chance.

878
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,840
What do you think of that Adam.

879
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:09,840
Yeah I mean it seems like sure it's a gritty retelling but the thing is the ending is happier than the original story.

880
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,840
If the original story he's dead in this version everyone's happy.

881
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:21,840
Like honestly like parallel like has a nice life and a good family Shonda and Dev you know get together and you know right away.

882
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:37,840
And you know so I do think maybe the original story had some perhaps like again like Dickensian British Victorian influence on like when you have bad endings like it's just really bad like everyone dies or the character kills himself.

883
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:47,840
So I think as far as this goes it doesn't have to go to those like depths to you know like people can change.

884
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:52,840
You know hopefully you know you find some life after hurting yourself and other people and I think that's nice.

885
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,840
I think it you know resonates.

886
01:13:54,840 --> 01:14:03,840
I'm not against like bad endings or sad endings but I don't think it was like undeserved and I think don't think it was like a surprise happy ending I think it was earned.

887
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,840
So you know I'm chill with it.

888
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,840
I just thought it was a wrap. I thought I literally.

889
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,840
Yeah it was kind of abrupt.

890
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:16,840
I mean the time the film's paint showing his spiralling down the change was like so sudden.

891
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:22,840
I mean I can understand it's a near-death experience when you experience your death.

892
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:32,840
It's like it can be a life changing moment like you were about to die and then you realize oh fuck I would have died.

893
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:37,840
But in a cinematic language it was not emphasized enough.

894
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,840
We only get that one line where he recognizes that he didn't love Haru.

895
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:48,840
He just has a monologue in his head like oh boy they get better like just get better otherwise you'd have been the same.

896
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,840
It would have been just dead like those people that I killed.

897
01:14:52,840 --> 01:15:02,840
But yeah but yeah so that that kind of takes away a bit of the gravity the film was carrying on throughout.

898
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:08,840
I mean that moment yeah exactly the time it spent on like how much how serious it took everything.

899
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,840
The change at the end was very abrupt.

900
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,840
You're right. Yeah I felt that too.

901
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:24,840
But from the point of view of whether he got what he deserved or not I'm like what he deserves is a trial and punishment by law.

902
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,840
He's still gonna get hopefully he's gonna get that's outside of the scope of the film.

903
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:39,840
But what he by himself does is like he gets out of his this that nature.

904
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,840
He changes his nature that's what the redeeming quality in a person.

905
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:51,840
Yeah I think like so when he almost dies from the car at the end I think you know you could see that as like that's the scene where he dies.

906
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:57,840
And the rest is an alternative path of what happens you know if you if you do try to change right.

907
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,840
And that you should try to do that before you die.

908
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:09,840
So like if you can you know successfully you know work on yourself and improve yourself before you die that's great because you never know when that's going to happen.

909
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,840
Right. So hopefully you know you're in a state where people do come to your funeral.

910
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,840
But at any moment if you don't do that and you'll die randomly from a car no one comes to your funeral like that's on you.

911
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:26,840
I think that's a very interesting character because usually when you're watching a film like this as an audience you kind of don't sympathize with them but you still root for them.

912
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:31,840
Right. Like everything before before him killing seven people you're just kind of like still hoping that he finds his way out.

913
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:38,840
He becomes a better person. Yeah. But then when he kills seven people and then he still has that character development that's all growth at the end.

914
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:44,840
I almost found it difficult as like an audience to kind of you know feel good for him.

915
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,840
Had that not happened I would have been like yeah yeah good you go you know like you found your way out.

916
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:56,840
But I almost feel like it was not redeeming enough personally like to me for him to just have that realization that he had been narcissistic.

917
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,840
He didn't really love power or you know like great good for you.

918
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,840
But seven people are still dead. So I think maybe it was a problem like what you said Nikki.

919
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:12,840
But I think the film didn't navigate that as well as I would have liked it to for us to kind of get back to feeling like yes this is well deserved at the end.

920
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:17,840
But what are your thoughts on it. Yeah I thought I feel like he should have died.

921
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:23,840
I think he should die. But what's your take on like the redeeming quality of a murderer.

922
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:32,840
I mean that's a tough question. I just I don't know man. I don't know if anyone's seen Succession. It was very similar to what happened.

923
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:39,840
What would a murderer do like after he murders and realizes that he committed a crime which he shouldn't have done.

924
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:48,840
I just saw it more as like a tragic story like you don't get what you want. You don't get you deserve to be homeless.

925
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:53,840
You deserve to just be deserve to be homeless and deserve a punishment by the law.

926
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,840
You should be punished for the severity of your actions by the law.

927
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,840
But like by the movie the way it ends it's just like you know it's like.

928
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,840
But you have a point right. He's like you can start anew no matter what happens.

929
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:12,840
Yeah if you can spend 14 years in jail but that's still a new life because you came out of your your thing.

930
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:23,840
But this this this director is a very cynical director and he makes always flashes the bad thing of the world a lot.

931
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:32,840
His focus is always on that. So I think any other filmmaker might have like even if they want to keep Dave alive might have like you know showed that.

932
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:39,840
Oh the trial happened and he went on jail and maybe after coming out of jail like he had a life with Chandu or something like that.

933
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:47,840
But this director most probably knew that someone as rich as Dave wouldn't go to jail because he's a very cynical director.

934
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:53,840
Most of his films people die like you know and he ends with always like a bad note like you know sad note.

935
01:18:53,840 --> 01:19:11,840
I mean I think in that way like he ends it in a good ending for Dave but as a watcher as a viewer if you don't empathize with Dave at math you you get angry at the thing that's happening like Winnie what Winnie felt.

936
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:21,840
Most of the film I watched from this guy I felt angry at the end because people who did the bad things didn't deserve didn't get what they deserve.

937
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:31,840
Yeah and I think your definition of class versus cast is really good for this too even because he's completely broke but still because of his cast.

938
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:36,840
Yes he gets to basically walk away and that then those people died.

939
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,840
Yeah. Yeah.

940
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:57,840
So he really enrages people with his movie so I think yeah what Winnie said was like it's most they might have been like its director wanted you to be angry at the situation like why the fuck is this stupid asshole the murderer got away and he's smiling at the end.

941
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:58,840
Yeah.

942
01:19:58,840 --> 01:19:59,840
Yeah there you have it.

943
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,840
That's that's that's Dev Dee.

944
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:18,840
Yeah I don't know how it's like with other adaptations but Keeley as you know as a person that is very familiar with the story what do you think overall like this adaptation do you think it stands the test of time do you think that this is a one adaptation that people should watch or.

945
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:32,840
Of course I think if you have read Devdas you should watch this film and if you I mean it doesn't matter if you have watched or not but this is the best adaptation according to me.

946
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:33,840
But that's according to me.

947
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:34,840
That's a lot of yeah.

948
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:35,840
That's according to me.

949
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:36,840
High praise.

950
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:53,840
But but the Dilip Kumar once like the 1950s one was also very acclaimed film Shah Rukh Khan's one was I like it to be honest it's very gaudy that's good because of the filmmaker but it doesn't go into the characters of the people much it's more of a dialogue and theatrics of it.

951
01:20:53,840 --> 01:21:20,840
It doesn't analyze the character well it's more of like spectacles of like him breaking glass and like throwing burning stuff because he's angry so he's like who dreams to enjoy I drink to like just wash away pain and there's very famous dialogue that has been that was actually the older film dialogue and he

952
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,840
they just did it again with Shah Rukh Khan and that was very popular.

953
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:30,840
So anyway like not going into comparison of each of them but as this film will stand the taste of time for sure.

954
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,840
I mean it's been like 15 years 15 year old film right.

955
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:43,840
So even if even if even when people watch this now it is like what do you think like does it look like.

956
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:47,840
Could you accept this film that just come out last year.

957
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,840
Yeah I think it holds up I think the cinematography is good the acting is good.

958
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:56,840
I think if you're looking for a good film it's great if you're looking for like big musical numbers no.

959
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,840
But as a film I think it's good.

960
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,840
So thanks Killy for introducing this to us.

961
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,840
I don't know whether we'll come back to this with another adaptation.

962
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,840
We'll eventually get to it.

963
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:14,840
We'll all be Debbed like historians by the end of this.

964
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:18,840
And shout out to Abidio's great acting. I think this was his acting was brilliant.

965
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,840
He really convinced all of us.

966
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:26,840
But also the fact that this movie really focused on character growth like having the scene where they showed.

967
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,840
But they showed us all how like each character developed and became a person.

968
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:34,840
It created that feelings of empathy and sympathy for each character that I think was missing from a lot of previous adaptations.

969
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,840
So it was a very balanced representation.

970
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:43,840
And even the ending even though I'm not quite for it I think it's the sign of a good film when it leaves you questioning things when it stirs up like mixed feelings.

971
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,840
You're not really sure how to feel.

972
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,840
And I think that's kind of the beauty of this film. It's really raw.

973
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,840
You guys want to eat momos and play Tekken now?

974
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,840
Yep. Momos. Momos saves time.

975
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,840
Alright we'll see you guys next week.

976
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,840
Appreciate it.

977
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,840
Bye.

978
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:01,840
Bye bye.

979
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:13,840
Really empty.