Josh makes podcasts. And we're in May. And what's
the holiday in May, Joey? Cinco de Mayo. Nah,
just fucking with you. We're not doing Cinco
de Mayo. That was an idea we had. It was an idea,
yeah. And I was like, nah. And then we're like,
oh, Mother's Day's coming. So we were running
through all these ideas. Joey had one idea. I
had an idea. I want to do Fiscal de Hierro. And
then what else did we pick? We picked all kinds
of titles. I was about to say brainwash. We brainstormed
a couple different titles and then decided, you
know what? The titles we're talking about today,
those are the ones. They got to be the ones.
Yeah, we picked out some really sleazy ones.
Pretty much horror -esque titles as well, especially
the first one that we're going to talk about.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And, you know, we took
a month off, man. It was my fault we didn't have
an episode in April. Well, we might have, but
I don't know what happened. I don't know. It'll
be a Patreon episode in the next four years.
Patreon or a lost episode we found later. But,
yeah, no. Well, yeah, we don't have an episode
for April, technically. We've been busy with
other stuff, which I think we could say we're
doing a commentary for. Roy from Space. Check
it out on Diff Crocodile. More on that later.
But now we're going to talk about our Mother's
Day titles. That's right. Shout out to all the
moms. Sleazy titles. But we're talking about
some really not normal moms in this episode.
They're pretty fucking weird. Fucked up. Yeah.
If you've ever had an overbearing mom or, I don't
know, just a controlling mom or a fucking weird
mom. To just do whatever. Exactly. influences
you too much then you're gonna you're gonna relate
to this one yeah and our first one actually is
a familiar one so we're not gonna say what it's
familiar for we're just gonna we're gonna well
joey's gonna let's talk and talk about it and
we're gonna let the viewers decide does this
movie sound familiar to you guys because i think
it does yeah um yeah i mean it's it's a it's
a complete ripoff um i guess i guess i want to
know I mean, I want to talk about this in depth,
but it's hard not to spoil. I mean, we learned
who the killer is after the first 15 minutes
anyway. It's the same thing. I'm just going to
go ahead and spoil it. So if you want to watch
this movie before we talk about it, I don't know.
I think there's a version on YouTube of this.
If not, we'll link it. Yeah, if not, we'll link
it. So watch the movie before you listen to this
because there's going to be spoilers for this
shit. Yeah, all right. I guess I'll go first.
Yeah. Fuck it. Let's do it. So the first movie
we're talking about is Obsession de Matar from
1992. What a wild fucking movie, man. I know.
I knew you were going to like it. When I was
giving titles, I was like, I think Joey's going
to like it. I fucking loved it. And the funny
thing is, so this is a complete ripoff of an
American classic horror movie. Part four. We'll
just say that. Very slight variant differences
in this Mexico's rendition of the story. But,
you know, the the basic plot before I get into
any of like the backstory about it is, you know,
it's there's a radio show where a psychotic killer
calls in and basically details his life on how
he became a. I guess, I don't know what the word
is, matricidal killer? Is that the right way
to say matricide? And yeah, and then he just
goes on and gives his backstory. Flashbacks.
Flashbacks, yeah. Wait, so is this Cycle 4 we're
talking about? This is, yeah. If you guessed
Cycle 4, that's exactly what this is. We're talking
about Cycle 4? This is a complete ripoff of Cycle
4. Like I said, very slight variant, but it is
what it is. Let's get into it, man. Fucking directed
by Ismael Rodriguez Jr. The son of a legend.
Son of a legend, yeah. And so I didn't realize
that... I guess so his dad was part of like a
duo with his brother, which would be his uncle,
right? Yeah, I believe so. The Hermanos Rodriguez.
Yeah, and then his brothers are in it. Everybody
in that family is like all in film. Yeah, it's
like a long lineage. And his brother's in the
movie. Cuauhtemoc, he's in the movie too. Yeah,
exactly. Yeah. And so his dad, along with his
uncle. were writer, producer, directors, actors,
you know, together. I guess the biggest title
that I saw just from kind of skimming through
their history is Hay Jalisco No Terrajes, which
is a classic Mexican movie. Nosotros Los Pobres.
Exactly, yeah. So all golden age stuff, you know.
And then, so he started in 1973 with producing.
Then writing in 1983 and didn't really make his
first debut until 1985 as a director. And that's
with Masacre en el Río Tula. That's a heavy title
already to start off. Crazy, right? So that's
the thing about Ismael Jr. He started off with
some really hard titles. And I guess he's also,
I mean, he's known for kind of having sleazier,
on the sleazier side of titles. I mean, yeah.
I mean, he learned it from his dad. If you watch
his dad's movies, especially the later stuff.
There's a bit of sleaze in there, some brutality
in there mixed in. So he was learning from his
dad, and I think he was just going with the times.
It's like, all right, people want brutal stuff.
I'm going to give it to them. And, of course,
anyone who knows me knows that the sleazier the
movie, the more I like it. I mean, if you thought
Psycho 4 was sleazy, yeah, it's not. It's just
like a basic sequel horror title. Well, that's
what I like about this more. So Psycho 4 isn't
the greatest movie, but it's all right. For what
it is, yeah. For what it is, it's all right.
But what Psycho 4 doesn't do, Obsesión de Matar
does. And they fucking go for it. He was not
afraid to let the sleaze out, as they say. What
I did find interesting is that this was actually
written by a female. And she's very familiar
to me. I know this woman's name because I've
always seen it in the past. Yeah, I wasn't too
familiar with her name, so I just started looking
up more of her movies. And then I'm like, oh,
I kind of know some of these titles. Because
sometimes her name changes in those titles. Yeah,
so her name, I guess her real name is Veronica
Angeles Franco, but then also known as Veronica
Thompson, which I'm assuming is her married name.
And just some of the movies that she's done,
La Mujer Judicial. Polvo de Muerte, Guerreros
Diabólicas, Angustia Fatal, Masacre en la Prepa,
which is an Almada movie. And then, of course,
later in her career, like most people, she went
into novellas. Written by a woman, Veronica Angeles.
Her name pops up in a bunch of those 90s video
homes. I was like, that's kind of like how I
noticed how females were really involved in those
movies. I was like, she's one of the pioneers
for sure. She was definitely getting work done.
As a writer. As a screenwriter, exactly. Because
her name was just popping up left and right.
Every time I would put on a movie from like,
you know, Mech Cinema or something, her name's
on the screen. There it is. Yeah, definitely
just based off of the titles alone. I mean, like
I said, I mean, I've seen Masacre en la Prepa,
but I haven't seen any of the others. Like Polvo
de Muerte, that title did stick out to me. Those
are like men -oriented movies, too. That's the
funny part. A lot of those movies seem like they're
just for men, but here we have a woman that wrote
them. There it is. She knew what to write about,
yeah. She could possibly be the next feature
for Bellas de Trash Max. You never know. You
never know. Tune in for next year. Well, right
off the bat, I wanted to ask you because I noticed
the first thing. There's six different production
companies listed as this movie starts, right?
So, yes. Peliculas Rodriguez, which, of course,
that's exactly. Oro Films. That was probably
one of theirs. Producciones EGA. EGA, never heard
of them. Never heard of them, yeah. Novo Films.
That one sounds familiar, but I'm not sure. Dragón
Films. never heard of it but there's one that's
familiar and mech cinema corporation everyone
knows mech corporation yeah so or sorry mech
cinema corporation um but even with that because
i mean typically you see that many different
production you know houses or whatever you want
to say production companies and they things can
get a little weird you know because all these
people want to put their input in but i gotta
say this movie plays it straight and you can
tell this was ismael's vision throughout the
entire movie. Like there's no strays from what
the story is. Yeah. Like it's obviously a rip
off of another movie, but even then it's like,
it's, it feels like an original movie though,
regardless. Yeah. Which I will say, man, I got,
you know, you know, shout out to Mick Garris.
He's a cool guy and all, but his movies suck.
And I will say, I will say that on the show with,
with no fear, but I got to revisit sleepwalkers,
but the rest of them, the rest of them, I've
never understood garbage, dude. Um, but cycle
four. Not bad, man. Not bad. So if you've seen
Psycho 4, then you know that this movie deals
with incest, murder, a little bit of pedophilia,
fucking narcissistic doctors who want to be right.
There's even abortion issues brought up in this
movie. It's pretty anti -abortion. Yeah. Which
is pretty typical of the view of abortion in
Mexico anyways. Yeah, I mean, let's get into
the cast. Before we start breaking down plot
points, let's do the cast a little bit. First
up is Jorge Reynoso, who we've spoken about ad
nauseum here. If you haven't heard that name
listening to the podcast, you haven't listened
to enough episodes. So it speaks for itself,
but he plays a character named Jaime in this
story, who is a doctor in his own right. Or psychiatrist,
I guess you could say. Then we have Sebastian
Ligarde, who plays Sebastian. Almost everyone
in this movie is just using their real name.
Exactly. That's what I noticed. You know, I noticed
that that happens a lot in these video home type
movies, too. I think it's just because they're
on the fly when they're writing the script. Just
fucking get it. What are we going to call these
characters? We're just going to call them your
name. Let's just use your name. You don't got
to remember who they are in the script. None
of that shit, right? You got to just do that.
Sebastian Ligarde is a... He's a very well -known
actor. Oh, since like the early 80s, basically.
Yeah, so he started actually in theater in the
early 70s and then went on to movies in 1976.
And thanks to Enrique Gomez Vadillo. There you
go. He's the one that set him up. And no surprise
there because eventually Sebastián Ligada came
out as a gay man. Nobody knew. Nobody knew until
actually like within the last 15 -ish years is
when he finally came out. Even when you watch
the movies of his, you just never thought he
was because he's just such a ladies' man in other
movies. Yeah, and he always plays like the bad
guy, like the villain, you know, like the macho
man type guy. Well, he's not macho in this one.
Yeah, you just never would have thought like
in real life, like, oh, he's actually this gay
man who had a partner for so long. Yeah, so I
mean, he played in some serious movies, right?
So here's just a list of some movies that people
might know, right? So his first movie is Survive,
which is a great Mexican movie. If you haven't
seen that, you should watch that. Amityville
3D, which, you know, if you're an Amityville
fan. I didn't even know he was in that one. Yeah,
yeah. Okay, I need to watch that. Remo Williams,
another big 80s movie. Lamberto Quintero, a fucking
classic fucking movie. That's probably one of
his leading, well, not a leading role, but yeah,
he was. He was getting up there. It's just before
he was top billed, but yeah, he's getting up
there. La Secta de la Muerte. Traficantes de
Niños, which I think is his first collaboration
with Ismael Rodriguez, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
if I recall, that one is. Yeah, he's the lead
in that one. The lead villain, I guess. And then,
you know, he started, he got into novelas in
the early 90s. Didn't fully switch over to novelas
yet until later, you know, like most people in
the 2000s, but that's when he started. Yeah,
I mean, he's won awards. He's won Mexican Emmys.
He's a super well -established actor. And now
he teaches acting in Miami. Well, I read he also
has a school in Chicago, too. Yeah, in Chicago.
So, I mean, that goes to show you. The dude was
with it, man. Very established career, and he
should be very proud of it. We're all proud of
him because he did a really good job over the
years in everything he did. Even in the shitty
movies. Even in the shittiest movies, he's still
really good. They pay the bills, I'm in it, bro.
But he doesn't really stand out. In here, in
this movie, yeah, he's amazing. His, I guess
his love interest, well, his wife in this movie
really is, her name is Diana, and of course is
played by Diana Ferretti, who was a model in
the 80s. Started doing movies under the name
Diana Gay, which I thought was interesting. Yeah.
And she was in quite a few movies, too. I mean,
she was in Siete en la Mira, El Vecindario, what
else? Hijo de Pedro Navaja. She was in a lot
of stuff. Yeah, and a bunch, a bunch of shit.
She was in the sexy comedias. I mean, she did
everything. Everything. And, of course, in the
1990s, you know, switched over to video homes,
was in Waco, Texas, Apocalypses, which I think
you screened that one in Texas, right? Yeah,
that one. Yeah. El Gato de Chihuahua, which is
a sick -ass corrido, if you haven't heard that
one. The movie's terrible. Yeah, unfortunately,
but the song goes fucking hard. That's Huracanes
del Norte. And then, you know, she also directed
a movie in 1998, Venganza Siniestra. I didn't
even know she directed, honestly. That's her
one credit on IMDb, which, of course, is added
to the watch list because I had never seen that.
Yeah, I never heard of her. Then you have the
mom of the story, who her name is just Mama.
No originality there. And that's played by Mara
Ibarra, who has a very small career. Very small
career, but she's in some standout titles for
sure. I think one's called La Casa Abandonada,
I think. Yeah, something like that, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, really obscure stuff she was in. Video
homes, all video homes. Then you have Marisol
Cervantes, who plays, quote -unquote, Amiga del
Madre. I thought that was funny. Yeah. Just call
her the more friends mom. And I think most people
would know her as the masseuse in Violador Infernal.
Anyone who's watched the... the blu -ray you
know you'll you'll catch that um then we have
uh dr perera who's played by uh paco uh fares
who another another big name yeah he was in amityville
3d as well so him and sebastian have a little
bit not as good as amityville 2 i will say but
um but he was in all kinds of shit you know bring
me the head of alfredo garcia He was in Agente
0013, Hermelinda Linda 2, which we talked about
in a previous episode. And he also worked with
Ismael earlier in Traficantes de Niños as well.
That's funny because he always plays like a bad
guy in those movies. In this one, he's just like
there sitting down. Yeah, I mean, he's trying
to be the voice of reason in this movie, but
no one's really listening to him. And then, of
course, you have the main radio host of the show
in the movie, Nora, who's played by Nora. Yeah,
Nora Torrero. Who was in Siete de la Mira 2,
Verduleros 2, Don't Panic, Entre Pilos Punks,
Placer de la Venganza, all kinds of fucking movies.
Which, you know, as I was going through this,
I'm like, dude. Here's a possible topic episode.
We got to do a bracket of the best Mexican movies
that have the word Infernal in the title. I know,
right? That is a good idea. Just all year. Every
episode of each month is going to be a battle
of the best Infernal title. Okay. We're going
to keep that in mind. Infernal Halloween. I don't
know. We'll figure it out. Infernal Summer. If
it's not Infernal, it's Implacable or Venganza.
Those are like the three. If you guys want to
know my eBay cheat sheet, just search Venganza
VHS. There it is. You'll find the good shit.
There it is. So yeah, those are the main actors
of the movie. Yeah, pretty much everyone that
we named is in this movie throughout the whole
time. yeah yeah yeah and i mean it's a short
task for them it's very short yeah and even like
jorge reynoso like he's in the movie but he's
not like yeah i mean he's just kind of kicking
back like driving at night yeah he's supposed
to drive to the birthday party which we'll get
to yeah yeah we'll get driving and then he's
on the phone that's it yeah he doesn't he's not
really around um but yeah i mean let's get into
it because the movie as we said is a is a cycle
for ripoff so if you're a fan of that you know
exactly where this story is going to go And it
opens up with Diana and Sebastian arguing because,
you know, he wants to have a kid. She's not really
ready. She don't really know what's going on.
Yeah, and she wants him to have a stable job.
Yeah, because he's not working. Yeah, he's just
painting. and yeah she's like a radio host producer
and it's her birthday night of course it's raining
you know so she's like well i gotta go to work
figure your shit out like you know whatever so
she's gone and so this was like all right well
it's her birthday i guess you know i'll get ready
for her birthday dinner and all that shit um
and just like psycho 4 the topic is matricide
on the radio which i mean crazy radio show to
have yeah i know cch pounder is a fucking beast
of an actress too she's great um but nora did
a great job in her replacement um and so basically
it's just in the beginning it's uh dr perera
and nora discussing matricide and you know the
possibilities of you know what drives people
to kill like is love a factor in wanting to kill
somebody like can you kill out of love or is
it out of whatever childhood trauma sexual trauma
like you know that whole discussion Nuestro invitado
de hoy es el doctor Alberto Pereira, reconocido
psiquiatra por su labor en el Centro de Orientación
para Varones. Bienvenido, doctor. Muchas gracias,
señorita Nora. Doctor, dígame, ¿puede la falta
de amor provocar un asesinato? Bueno, esa es
una buena razón. Normalmente, psicológicamente
hablando, tendemos a destruir siempre lo que
odiamos. Lo que nos lastima. Lo que nos acompleja.
Los matricidas actúan entonces por desamor. También
por locura. O muchas veces por las presiones
emocionales, sociales, económicas. Por amor.
En fin, son muchas las razones. And that's when
Sebastian is listening and is like, well, I got
a fucking story to tell you motherfuckers. He
wants to prove him wrong too. He calls him and
that's when he's like, yeah, you got it all wrong.
Yeah. Well, because Dr. Pereira, he's like, you
can tell he's one of those snobbish doctors who's
like, I'm right. I'm the fucking doctor here.
You guys don't know what you guys are talking
about. And, of course, Nora is, like, the fucking,
I don't want to say devil's advocate, but she
thinks, you know, it's her radio show. She's
going for ratings. So she's trying to be the
opposite of him and, you know, kind of go in
that direction. So, you know, when he first calls
in, of course, he uses a fake name just like
Psycho 4, and he's going by Pepe. And he basically
just tells them, like, yeah, you know what? You
guys are full of shit, you know. people don't
kill you know for sex or sexual trauma or nothing
like that people do kill out of love that's his
stance you know and uh that's when you know you
we get the first flashback of of his childhood
and now we really learn the story yeah at first
it's all innocent because remember they're like
she's teaching him how to paint when he's a little
boy she's oh yeah she's drinking jmb so shout
out to the shot of it she gives him a little
bit of a drink of it i'm like okay A little strange.
Yeah. It's, it's, and then, you know, they're
getting kind of close and she's like hugging
him and caressing him. And it's, it's, it's not
weird yet, but you can see that, you know, she's
kind of grooming him into, into something or
maybe she doesn't see it that way. And he definitely
doesn't see it that way, but it's definitely
implied. And, you know, it cuts to him bringing
home his first girlfriend. Yeah. He's already
a teenager. Yeah. Yeah. We flash forward a little
bit. And of course. the mom is pissed she's like
fuck get this slut out of here like you know
um basically berating him and he tries to hide
the girl um but the mom's having no part of it
she's like nah fuck that ¿Estás loco? ¿Qué quieres
hacer? ¿Matarme? ¡Sácala de aquí! No, mamá. Comprende.
Se peleó con sus padres. No tiene dónde ir, mamá.
Por ciruja. Si se queda, tiene que morir. Y tú
lo sabes. Lo sabes, ¿no? Nadie puede pasar aquí
una noche y vivir. And the mom basically tells
him, kill this bitch. Like, you have no other
option. Kill this bitch. And he doesn't want
to. He's like, no, I love her. She's my first
girlfriend. Yada, yada, yada. The typical 15
-year -old in love type conversation. and um
he he fucking does it yeah she brings the ax
and hands it to him he has vision like he's like
walks her he's trying he tries to hide her again
and he's like having like there's visions of
like it's intercut of him walking in through
this like dungeon of a basement and uh visions
of his mom tell him kill him kill him kill him
and so he fucking you know axes her ass up and
then the mom comes out and finishes the job and
just starts fucking stab and this is where i
say it's different from cycle four because cycle
four doesn't get this gruesome uh the the violence
in cycle four is kind of implied here nah this
blood splurting everywhere like get blood on
his face like it's crazy um and this is this
is like the the call that he's using to prove
against dr perera that yeah you know what people
kill out of love he loved this girl but he killed
her anyways because he loved her he didn't want
his mom i guess to fucking i don't know yeah
you know she really you know he had to do it
but you know being the doctor that he is the
doctor's tripping fucking he's still arguing
talking shit to him so pepe's like all right
fuck you guys hangs up he wants no part of it
um but of course nora you know she wants him
to fucking you know they're getting good ratings
get him back on the phone and that's the that's
the shitty part about it because the whole time
you know nora's trying to convince everyone that
no i can help him i can help him meanwhile the
producer his own fucking wife is like no we need
the ratings our ratings are tanking dr perera's
like no you guys are fucking crazy like call
the cops on this idiot like what are you guys
doing um and that's kind of the tug of war that
we get throughout the entire shit right and then
that point i think they don't even believe him
to the oh maybe he's lying but then they're like
no It's still good, you know. Well, that's how
they get him to call back for the second time.
And then they ask him about his dad. Now the
doctor is trying to convince him that, well,
maybe his dad was a shitty dad. And he's like,
no, man. You know, my dad was cool. I had a good
relationship with him, but he died when I was
young. And, of course, the mom couldn't take
it. And that's when we see, like, they fucking
bury the dad in the backyard of the house, which
is fucking crazy. I mean, it's kind of common
over there, I guess. If they're on the property.
Yeah, I can see that. Sometimes. But it is a
little weird, yeah. But this is, yeah. And this
is where, you know, the mom starts developing
her psych issues where she kind of starts going
crazy because, you know, her dude just died.
And this is where it's revealed that Sebastian
is the killer. It's no longer Pepe. It's Sebastian.
Well, he still goes by Pepe. But we know who
the killer is at this point. Keep in mind, this
is when he was cooking a turkey dinner. Yeah,
and we'll figure out why he's cooking a little
turkey dinner. And I will say, vegans beware.
You're going to see a turkey get its fucking
head chopped off. Before he calls, too, remember?
Yeah. He kills the turkey. And you're like, oh,
shit. I was caught by surprise. Oh, no. I got
to add it to my for the animals list on Letterboxd.
The dinner was getting prepared. But again, you
know, he hangs up. They're trying to figure out
what to do. You know, the doctor's telling him,
you know, call the fucking cops. This guy's crazy.
Like, you know, he calls back anyways. And now
he wants to talk about his most memorable kill.
They're asking him like, you know, what do you
remember about being, you know, a serial killer
essentially. And, you know, this is when we get
the scene of Amiga del Mama. Because he catches
his mom, you know, getting drunk with another
woman. And they're, you know, they're making
out. But it's the 11th anniversary of the dad's
death. So, you know, he's sad. He comes in thinking
his mom should be sad. But she's out here macking
it with another girl. And he can't take it. So
he leaves. But the girl tries to seduce him.
And so that's another female in his life, you
know, older female. who, you know, is trying
to use power over him to control him and seduce
him. And he can't take it, so he just fucking
kills her too. He grabs a knife and fucking stabs
the shit out of her. Quiero saber más de ti.
Buenas tardes, señora. Usted y mi madre. ¿Tu
madre? Tu madre puedo ser yo. ¿Qué te pasa? Sé
más de lo que tú te imaginas. Así que vas a hacer
lo que yo te diga. ¿Por qué no mejor se larga
y deja de emborrachar a mi madre? Aprovechándose
de ella. And I think this is where it turns where
you're starting to see, oh, okay, it's not that
he is crazy. He actually really does love his
mom. He killed her because he didn't want his
mom to have another love in her life, you know?
Which, of course, Dr. Panetta's all over that
shit. He's like, that's my point, you know? That's
exactly what I'm trying to say. But, you know,
it is what it is. They just continue arguing
and arguing. And, you know, I think this is when
the show starts to kind of fall off the rails,
right? Now they really don't know what to do.
Diana has no idea it's her husband on the line,
which in and of itself is crazy. How do you not
recognize your own husband's voice on the radio?
But they fucking, you know. They're losing him
now. They think they might start losing ratings
again. They're nervous that the calls aren't
going to go anymore. Nah, fuck that. He calls
back for the fourth time. Keep in mind, Diana's
cousin, what's his name? He's listening to the
show. And he's kind of looking like, why does
this sound familiar? And it turns out it's because
he's the one that treated Sebastian. He doesn't
know it yet. Yeah, he doesn't know it, but he's
starting to. So as the movie's going on, we see
Jorge Daniel driving. And he's just like making
face like, wait, wait, wait, this is so familiar.
What's going on? And that's the funny thing,
too, because, like, you know, Jorge Reynosa is
a huge, huge name. Yeah. And he really doesn't
have much to do with it. He's literally just
fucking driving from one hospital to the next.
It's so funny. There's scenes where you don't
even need to see him driving. Yeah. And he's
just, and the funny, not the funny part, but
he's driving. He's, like, smiling, listening
to this. Like, yeah, this is a good fucking story.
Like, you know. But then as soon as he starts
hearing about the murder, he's like, I don't
know. It's not familiar. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll
get into that. soon because right because you
know there's there's two more calls left um and
now they want to know they want they trying to
get pepe or sebastian to call back because they
want to know what his relationship what his mom
was like as i guess a quote -unquote teenager
right and this is where it gets a little weird
this is where we start to see oh no the mom was
a fucking creep you know like she was definitely
you know seducing him you know and uh she says
you know she was always wanting to date younger
men after the dad died because she wanted to
keep that kind of control over men um but you
see him like she's like you know caressing him
even more and fucking she finally has a new boyfriend
who is an abusive asshole who beats the shit
out of her and this fool pepe doesn't want that
you know um So he fucking kills that motherfucker
too. I mean, rightfully so. He kind of had to.
That guy was a complete dick. How many times
have you heard that story in a movie of a younger
dude messing with an older single mom who was
just a completely asshole to her? But yeah, you
know, she tells she tells Pepe that he's fucking
the only way that he can love her is if he continues
to kill. So he grabs a fire log or like a starter
log from the chimney, beats the fuck out of him,
doesn't die yet. But, you know, it sets it up
for the mom to come in and finish the job. And
she has this weird like fascination with being
young. And this is where she starts to tell it,
where she's like, I'm still in the prime of my
life. Even though she's at this point, I mean,
I don't know how old she is. She's got to be
like in her late 40s. And since she's an artist
member, since she's on that time, she's like
drawing her, but looking young. Exactly. And
this is that scene. She's like obsessed with
being young. And so she goes on the bed and she's
wearing this like blue silk nightie, like nightgown.
It's like, draw me. And she's like posing on
her bed. And he's like, all right. So he's drawing
her. She gets a little mad because he doesn't
draw her as young as she sees herself. Then she
tells him, get on the bed. He's like, oh shit.
This is where the incest comes in. She starts
telling him, touch my skin. This is what youthful
skin feels like. They start macking it. For lack
of a better word, they fuck. You're just like,
fuck, this is nasty. Psycho 4 could never. Oh,
yeah. Psycho 4, remember, there are scenes where
she's touching him a little bit weird. Yeah,
but I think the difference of Psycho 4 and Obsesión
de Matar is that Obsesión clearly wants you to
know that it's an incestual relationship, whereas
Psycho 4 is more like she's... a dominant figure
over him she wants to control him not that she
wants to fuck him but that she wants to control
him and make sure that he you know she's got
him under her thumb or whatever um because now
you know they uh this and at this point that's
the story where Jaime Jorge Reynosa's character
realizes oh shit i know who this is yeah he starts
to realize but he doesn't want to say it so he
calls into the radio show i was like yo i think
i know who this is like you know um but pepe
calls back now this is the final the final phone
call that they have right this is going to set
up the uh um the final act of the movie if you
will so when he finally calls in they want to
know what happened to his mom and so he goes
in and he starts talking about how he killed
his mom and why and turns out that faithful night
when she asked him to draw and they messed around
he got her pregnant and that is his obsession
with his wife in the beginning of the movie asking
her to you know to have a child um that's where
this comes from because you know the mom tells
him like i i don't want I don't want this kid
to be born and be evil and, you know, whatever,
whatever. And, you know, we got to save the world
of this evil between us and, you know, all the,
all the killings that we've been doing. Not that
she's remorseful about it, but I, I mean, I guess
apparently she, she doesn't want the cycle of
evil to continue. So she fucking lays herself
down and he. decapitates her she literally tells
him to do it she tells him to do it again controlling
dominating him the whole the whole movie she
lays down and he the same axe that he used to
kill his girlfriend in the beginning fucking
chops his mom's head off and that's when Jaime's
like yeah hell yeah like this is this is this
is him for sure Do you realize? A sick man. A
monster. You have to avoid it. I'm still your
mother. And you have to obey me. It's for the
good of all. Kill me. If you love me, you have
to do it. Estamos enfermos. Malditos. Quiéreme
siempre. So now we cut to Jaime because Diana
has to get home. It is in the middle of the radio
show, like no regard for what's actually happening.
All the talk about the ratings that, you know,
we can't tank the ratings. She's like, I got
to go home. It's my birthday. I'm going to dinner.
So she's fucking gone and Jaime can't get her.
In the version that I watched, this is where
it cuts to commercial. I sent Joey the TV version
that I copied a long time ago. Which I will say,
man, Mexican TV is fucking goaded because there's
no edits to the blood, to the killing, the sex,
the nudity. Everything was there, yeah. Everything
is there. That's funny that you mentioned that.
That's literally where it cuts. That's literally
where it cuts, yeah. But anyways, to get back
to the story, Jaime calls to get Diana to tell
her, hey, this is your fucking husband. Nora
tells him, hey, Beryl, you're too late. She already
went home. So now he has to get back to Diana's
house to save her from her husband. Dinner's
ready. Dinner's ready. Now, the key to the dinner
is that the dinner that he was cooking for his
wife, was the same dinner that they were having
the night that his mom told him to kill her.
And so that's, you know, that's the little tie
-in there. That's why they made such a big thing
about it. Because the entire time, for each flashback
call that he has, he's cooking dinner. You see
him fucking cutting the head off. He's de -feathering
the chicken. You know, he's fucking pulling all
the guts out. Like, you see all of him. And you're
kind of just like, why the fuck do I care about
this fool cooking dinner? But, you know, that's
the tie -in there. yeah so he fucking uh you
know sebastian kidnaps diana takes him back to
the childhood home where he fucking did all his
killing yeah the house is still still up and
standing um and you know he starts to have visions
of his mom again and so he's he's full -blown
crazy diana's like yo like i'm pregnant but i'll
you know i'll have an abortion and Of course,
he doesn't want that. There's this whole battle
of wanting the kid and I don't want the kid.
Typical abortion. It gets worse. The abortion
line gets worse. I'll tell you the last line
of the movie when we get there. Jaime shows up,
saves the day. It's the exact same thing as Psycho
4. lights torches the house up the memories of
your mom are gone you know you're you're now
saved you know he's not he's no longer a psycho
and he shows him the mom yeah his body yep this
fool has been hiding his mom's body in the basement
of the old house in a car in a in a yeah in a
coffin um So they're like, yeah, fuck that. All
the post -trauma. Typical Mexican way of handling
fucking childhood trauma, right? Like, get over
this shit, bro. You're like, what are you doing,
bro? She's dead. Like, get over it. And so, you
know, there's this whole ending where Diana's
talking to Jaime, who's her cousin. Like, you
know, I guess I'm just going to have this fucking
abortion. I don't want to have another child
and, you know, to come out like Sebastian. And
Jaime goes, nah, it's God's will for you to have
this child. You can't have an abortion. I knew
they were going to have to do that. There's no
way they were going to be like, yeah, you're
going to have this. Which is fucking crazy, right?
It's like, you know, typical Mexican shit. You're
pregnant. Sorry, bro. You're having this. She's
barely pregnant. It's not like she's like already
showing or anything. It's like she just barely
found. Yeah. And it's like, come on, dude. Like
all this talk about how. The trauma field this
fool, his desires to kill and all this shit.
And you want that trauma to go on to the baby?
To possibly develop into being another serial
killer? Nah, bro. God wants you to have this
child. Which is fucking crazy, man. I'm sure
that was Ismael's dad's idea. We gotta give him
a moral here. Because every movie of Ismael,
his dad. It always had to have some kind of like
happy ending and like a moral lesson. So I think
this was kind of it right here. Ismail Jr. was
probably like, no, we're going to end it brutally.
Like, no, no, son, you're going to end this with
a moral. You're going to end this on good terms.
Yeah. Give the people something good, lighthearted
to hear. That's how I see it, at least, because
that was really weird. I 100 % believe you, honestly,
because it's so far out of left field. Yeah,
after everything that's happened. And, yeah,
and it literally is the last word said in the
movie is, nah, it's God's will. You're not having
an abortion. Yeah, that was bad. Yeah, that smells
bad. That smells bad right there. 100%. So, I
mean, this is wild. And, again, it actually goes
for it, which is what I like about this fucking
movie. There's no holding back. It gets wild.
You're seeing titties on screen. The blood is
there. Again, this whole anti -abortion angle
that pops up out of nowhere. It goes exactly
where an American movie would never go. And that's
why I think it works and it actually plays better
than Psycho 4. Because it's only two years removed.
So I'm sure they saw Psycho 4 and was like, yo,
that's dope, but let's make it crazier. And,
of course, Veronica wrote it. So Veronica was
like, I could do it better. I mean, you know.
Did Mick Harris write Cycle 4 as well? I don't
know. No, I don't believe he did, no. He directed
it only, if I recall. Either then, like I said,
yeah. Some weak writers there. I mean, it's typical,
you know. I don't know, man. You know, whatever.
It is what it is. Watch Cycle 4 and then watch
Obsesión de Matar. It's funny because when I
first saw Obsesión de Matar, I was just like.
Why isn't this movie familiar? Like, I've seen
this, right? And then it didn't dawn on me until,
like, they were on the radio show. I was like,
this is fucking Psycho 4. Straight up. And then
I started reading, like, because I didn't see
Psycho 4, like, beforehand. I only knew about
it. I was like, this is it. And then when I watched
Psycho 4, I was like, okay, this is a fucking
movie. Just sleazy. Super sleazy. So, yeah, the
alternative. If you didn't like Psycho 4, but
you like the story, you know, just put on a percent
of my thumb. better i think people would like
this better this is like this has potential for
blu -ray release oh one thousand percent i'm
actually like does that like a blu -ray release
oh yeah this would do wonders people would be
like oh shit this is actually cool if they knew
about it i mean most people it's actually pretty
unknown still surprisingly Like, not a lot of
people know about it. Even, like, the cover.
Like, so, we have the video right here. From
Mix Cinema, by the way. And it's fucking crazy.
Sebastian's got blood coming from his forehead.
He's choking Diana out. He has the hatchet on
his hand. Yeah, and Jorge Reynoso with his fucking,
his six -shooter. Looking badass. Did he even
have a gun in him? You know, huh? No. He was
just driving around the whole fucking... I don't
even have a gun in him, but yeah, he's in the
cover. But, yeah, that's a great one. I mean...
I hope people, you know, when they're listening
to this, they get interested, they watch it.
So, again, check the show notes. Hopefully you...
I will have the movie there for you all to watch.
Please watch it. Let us know what you think.
And hopefully you actually watched it before
listening because I just gave you a literal scene
-by -scene breakdown. And you can compare it
to Psycho 4 and tell us which one is better,
Psycho 4 or Obsesión de Matar. but wild man these
fucking overbearing mothers man they gotta go
i was glad we thought i thought about that i
was like perfect yeah this is this was this was
better than than the original idea that we had
so i'm glad we did this one too but uh you partnered
it up with a movie from 1994 um which is equally
as sleazy but maybe a little bit more maybe maybe
and that is uh 1994 esclavas del sadismo There
was an alternate title though. Yeah. When I watched
it. Yeah. That was the one that I have on video.
Encadenadas. Yeah. There we go. Yeah. I have
it. I used to have the Esclavas del Sadismo tape
too, but that was the one that I sent you the
other one. Yeah. And yeah. So Esclavas del Sadismo,
which is what? Slaves of Sadism. Yeah. In English.
Or Chained to Desire, which I think actually
works better as a title for this movie. So from
1994, and it was directed by a very legendary
guy. I mean, we had to make an episode of him
one day. Christian Gonzalez, the king of the
video homes, as they called him. And I actually
talked to him before online. I never got to really
meet him in person, but I did talk to him online.
Even to the point where we had a Skype session.
Nice. That's how you know how old he was. Yeah,
he was super cool. Because this is when I first
started to know about him. I added him on Facebook.
And he was pretty fascinating. His wife, Patricia,
who's in the movie. We'll get to her in a moment.
She introduced us. She's like, hey, you guys
should talk about his work. And yeah, he was
super cool. I remember him telling me about this
movie, his other stuff. He's like, no, don't
watch Clone to Hitler. That shit sucks. I only
did it for money. He was a super cool guy and
unfortunately he passed away in 2021. But like
I said, over the years since I've talked to him
and known about his work, he's a fucking legendary.
He was originally studying economics, but he
dropped out to study filmmaking because when
he was growing up as a teenager, he loved filmmaking.
He had an 8mm camera, which kind of ties into
this movie. Oh, yeah. That's actually one of
my notes I wrote down. He had an 8mm camera when
he was a teenager, so he would like to shoot
stuff around. So, yeah, he wanted to be in filmmaking.
That's what he was really wanting to do with
his life. And he was on the rise of being like,
you know, like Alfonso Cuarón and Inurato, all
those guys. Like he was growing in that same
era from those guys. Amores Perros Volume 2.
Right. He could have been one of those guys making
those movies. Like he made a movie called Tanatos,
which did really good. That was his first movie.
And it was like pretty experimental, but it got
well received. And then he did another one called
Polvo de Luz. Polvo de Luz was another like prestigious
kind of film, kind of forgotten now though. But
then after a while, he just kind of got bored
of it. I remember reading in interviews, he just
wanted to do crazy shit. He had ideas that were
beyond that artsy shit. He wanted to make movies
about the real Mexico, as he called it, like
the working class. And the only way he was going
to be able to get that freedom was making video
homes. So that's kind of how he got involved.
So he got involved in video homes, like close
to 200. and he would shoot them on shoestring
budgets no budgets just shit people would borrow
borrow their time supposedly he made one movie
in one day damn supposedly i don't know if that's
true but supposedly he made a movie in one day
and yeah and then stuff like this like he made
crazy fucking movies this is one of his probably
top ones i would feel And then another one called
Imperio de los Malditos. We got to talk about
that one. That one's fucking amazing. Yeah, I
wasn't familiar. This was the only movie title
of his that I knew of. I had never seen this
until you sent it to me, but I have not seen
any of his other... He's made some of the most
best fucking movies. I got to show you his other
movies. He's a fucking great director. A lot
of his movies have to do with shit like this,
like crazy people, sexual freaks, crime, stuff
like that. He was never the type to make movies
that were normal. He wanted it to be fucking
crazy as much as it could, and that's how he
got away with it. But yeah, so back to Esclavas
del Sadismo of 1994. It was shot on 35mm, I know
that. It got a short theatrical run in the indie
scene. Imagine a disc with a double Amores Perros.
What the fuck is this? Yeah, it's pretty standard.
I mean, it's just about this weird guy named
Leo. He lives in an apartment building with his
mom that she manages. the mom's kind of like
i don't know she's just weird she's just there
just kind of lets him do whatever he wants you
know in the basement because that's where leo
does his movies he always has a camera on him
he tells his mom like yeah i'm gonna make a movie
later and like okay and then they're like and
then you're just wondering like what the does
he do exactly Pero solo admito matrimonios. Y
para algunas señoritas también. Es Leo, mi hijo.
A mi mamá no le gusta que vivan aquí mujeres
solas. Por algunas malas experiencias que hemos
tenido. No se ofenda, por favor. Pero ahora,
si usted lo desea, el departamento es suyo. Turns
out he makes underground porn films in the basement.
Oh, yeah. With girls that he kidnaps at night.
And he drugs. If that sounds familiar, it's almost
like sinful torture. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he drugs
the girls. He drugs a nurse, which is one of
the most memorable scenes of the movie. Not only
that, the nurse was played by Christian's wife,
Patricia Rojas. That was his wife. That scene
stuck out to me because it reminded me of the
scene in Maniac where Joe Spinell is following
the nurse into the train station. That's interesting
because you know what? He might have even got
inspired by that because he would love to watch
movies like that, like horror movies, classics,
cult classics. I would not doubt that it was
an exact ripoff. Oh, yeah. He definitely had
ideas like that. Whatever he would watch, he
would get those ideas. Yeah, yeah. So I wouldn't
be surprised. so yeah he kidnaps women at night
and then um you know this prostitute she rents
a room in the apartment building her name is
maida she's played by i didn't even get her name
alicia laguna here we go alicia laguna yeah she
rents the room but it's not even her painted
it's her uh Secret boyfriend. He's played by
a cop named Bustamante. Jorge Reynoso is playing
him, by the way. And they have a funny relationship
because, you know, he's married, he has kids.
You know, she knows. She's cool about it for
the most part. But she also wants something real,
you know? Yeah. He keeps telling her, like, well,
he keeps lying to her. That's the one thing.
Everyone in this movie is a piece of shit. I
will say that. There's not a single good person
in this movie. I mean, that's the Christian Gonzalez
style. That's the one thing I learned about him.
Every movie that he's ever made, everyone in
the movies, they're always shitty people. They're
never good people. And that's just how he liked
to do movies. He wanted his characters to be
fucking good. Even better, dude. I loved it,
yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, Bustamante, he's, like,
promising Mayra. He's like, you know, we're going
to get our own place eventually, you know, but
right now I'm with my wife. You know, right now
we're just secret lovers. Like he just gives
her this bullshit. He's an asshole. Cause he
tells her like, no, you're, I don't want you
dancing. Like you're, you're, you're better than
being a stripper at this fucking club. He's just,
yeah, he just, he didn't mean that shit. He's
getting his dick sucked in the, in the alley
and shit. And she tries her best to please them
too. And then he's kind of like, whatever. I
don't know, it's weird. Like, why did he want
her so much? It's so stupid. Typical, man. Typical,
typical machismo. Este amor que estamos empezando
tú y yo tiene que empezar desde chiquito. Poco
a poco irlo haciendo grande, consistente y duro.
Pues para que penetre directamente en nuestros
corazones un buen rato. Ay, ahora me saliste
poeta, pues al gusto. ¿Qué pasó, mi vida? Amado
Nervo. ¿Vamos por tus cosas? ¿Pero vas a venir
hoy en la noche? Voy a hacer todo lo posible.
Yeah, eventually Alicia starts to kind of develop
feelings for Leo. Like, she sees Leo and she
thinks he's, like, fascinating. Like, he's so
mysterious since he's just kind of wandering
around dressed in black. He kind of has, like,
a goth or punk style, if I may say. Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah. And Leo is just, you know, he kind
of notices, but he doesn't care because he's
so fucking busy making, you know, his movies
in the basement of the apartment building. And
that's pretty much how the movie goes. And then
he sells the porno movies to this, like, porn
filmmaker or producer, like, in the city. Then
the cops get involved, you know, and that's when
they all find out, you know, this shit's going
on. There's all these kind of crazy girls in
the basement. They're all drugged up and dressed
in these scantily clothings or costumes. Really
fucking weird scenes, too. There's like I mean,
there's scenes where like, again, everyone here
is a piece of shit. And, you know, I'll give
you a couple reasons why. Right. So when Busta
Montes and his partner, I think his name was
Davila. Yeah. who was played by Guillermo Quintanilla,
they were tasked with finding out, you know,
finding these missing women. So they go bust
a prostitution ring and, you know, they catch
a bunch of girls and they catch underage girls.
And his partner's like, hey, you know, get the
fuck out of here. Like, how old are you? Like,
oh, you're not 16. Oh, I'm 15. Get the fuck out
of here. Well, they go back and bust those fools
again. And he sees her in the second raid. And
he goes, how old are you? I'm 15. Nah, baby,
you're 18. And then he starts fucking macking
it with her. It's like, bro, what are you doing?
Yeah, I'm telling you. Shady cops, bro. Shady
fucking cops. Once you watch more Christian Gonzalez
movies, you're going to be like, yeah, everyone's
a piece of shit in this movie. Dude. That's a
perfect example right there. He just loved making
his characters like that. Nobody was likable
in those movies. Even if you did like them, they're
still pieces of shit. Absolutely. Yeah, everyone
in those movies is a piece of shit. ¿Sabes qué,
muñequita? Yo no sé por qué, chingados. El destino
de las putas y los codiciales siempre es el mismo.
Se cruzan. Y yo no sé por qué. Pero creo una
cosa. Tal vez porque ustedes dan placer y nosotros
damos chingarazos. ¿No sabes qué? Creo que nuestros
destinos ya se cruzaron. ¿Cuántos años tienes?
15. A partir de ahora tienes 18, ¿está bien?
¿Cuántos años tienes? 15. ¡Como una chingada!
¡Te estoy diciendo que 18! ¡18! ¿Cuántos tienes?
So that's pretty much how the movie is. It's
just sleaze after sleaze after sleaze, and then
there's kind of a horror -esque or mystery angle
to it when they go to the basement. there's the
scenes where they're like you know on the strap
-ons and stuff with the you know with the girls
and everything underground so when i was watching
this i had my volume up kind of loud because
i was doing i was doing like my laundry and shit
i was like folding clothes yeah i was like oh
shit i had a lower because it was like girls
were like uh dude they were like dude finger
banging like moaning like crazy well here's the
clip yeah i had that at volume uh my my my my
little soundbar shit goes to 10 i had it at volume
8 and it was like 10 at night i was like oh shit
i was like trying to lower it make sure no one
no one thinks i'm over here watching pornos and
he was filming it like you said on a super 8
the canon 814 auto zoom i have the exact camera
super 8 camera i love it yeah great camera yeah
this is a great one and like i said the relationship
with his mom like the mom is kind of there and
she just doesn't do whatever she doesn't even
care she just she just wants to get the money
you know because he gets paid obviously for you
know selling those movies She just lets him do
whatever. I'm like, what a fucking weird mom.
She doesn't even question him really. Yeah. They
have like, I mean, she, she's like overbearing
on him too, but not in a sexual way as, as in
the first, Oh, like she makes him give her, give
her like foot massages and shit, but it's not,
there's nothing sexual about it. Yeah. Which
is kind of shocking, you know, seeing how much
everyone, you know, everyone else is a sleazy
asshole in this movie. And like I said, she doesn't
do whatever. And I shouldn't even like question.
She's like, Oh, okay. Yeah. Make your movies.
She even tries to protect him, too. Like, because,
you know, as you were saying, like, Maida starts
to develop, like, an interest in him. Because
she's, like, watching from above, like, the top
floor apartment or whatever. And, you know, she
keeps telling him, like, you know, stay away
from him. Like, you know, he's an innocent child
or whatever. Yeah, yeah, Myra. Yeah, and the
whole relationship with Myra and Leo, yeah. I
mean, eventually some feelings develop at the
end. Well, yeah, they end up together at the
end. Without giving away the ending, let's just
say Bustamante, you know, they break up, you
know, Mayra and Bustamante. Mayra's like, why
did you even be with me? Why did you get with
me? And he's like, por pendejo. Yeah, he's like,
I didn't even fucking love you. I lied to you
this whole time. Because I'm a dumbass. That's
all. And then, yeah, then her and Leo get together.
there's even a scene where might have like bust
in like these folks are at the bar chopping it
up and she bust in like who the fuck you buying
perfume for he's like bitch my wife like what
the fuck are you talking about like get the fuck
out of here but that that scene you know as funny
as it is like that's an important scene because
that's what led them to discover that she was
living in the building where leah was at because
then he had to go control her And, you know,
then he realized, oh, wait, this is like the,
you know, where the pimp that he busted earlier
with the little underage girls was like, yo,
this is where I bought the movie from. They get
it all from this guy. And I guess, what was that
guy's name? Fuck, I can't remember. But he told
him, oh, no, no, look, I buy these movies from
this dude, which ends up being Leo. And, you
know, that leads him directly to there. Yeah,
so, like I said, I mean, it's a sleazy movie.
It's fucking beautiful. Christian Gonzalez, rest
in peace. Rest in peace. He's a fucking legend.
When you watch this movie, like, if this is your
first Christian Gonzalez movie, you're going
to like it, like, no matter what, regardless.
Yeah, this movie was hard. There's even a scene
where Leo has a wet dream, thinking of his mom
fucking with her dude. Yeah. This one wakes up,
he's like, oh, God, he looks, and his hands all
gooey, like, oh, man. And then stuff like that.
See, in every Christian, there's always, like,
humor like that, just gross humor. Like, he was
just a great guy. I would like to consider him,
like, I don't know. like a John Wateris kind
of person, Takashi Miki, something like that
in that nature. I could see the Miki comparison,
you know, with such high volume of movies and
kind of, you know, Spanish kind of shitty. So
kind of like that, you know, and he was all proud
of all of his movies, you know, I mean, of course
he was always not proud of some of them, like
some of them that he didn't like have control
over. Like I always said, if you watch a Christian
Gonzalez movie and it's good, that means he had
full control. If the movie was a piece of shit,
yeah, he had no control over it. Like when he
did the Cumbia Asesina remake. Yeah, he had no
control over it. He wanted to have control over
it, but he wasn't. So he's like, that movie sucked.
Who had control over it? Adolfo Martinez Solano.
I mean, you know. As me and Joe have talked to
Adolfo, you know, we know Adolfo's style. Yeah,
yeah. He wanted to make a more sexual, you know,
erotic movie. Christian. He wanted to be sleazy.
He wanted to be sleazy, you know, just like his
original movie. But, you know, he had no control
over it. So, yeah. So, like I said, if you see
the movie of his that's good, yeah, he had control
over it. If it was a piece of shit, no. He would
even tell you himself, like, no, that movie sucks.
Don't watch it. Like, when he told me about Klondike
Hitler, I was like, oh, yeah, I saw Klondike
Hitler. I was like, I didn't like it, to be honest.
He's like, yeah, that movie sucks. I didn't want
to do it. But they wanted to pay me. I was like,
I needed the money. He's like, I just fucking
got paid and did it. I hate that shit. You'd
be hard -pressed to find a filmmaker who hasn't
done something for money that they didn't want
to fucking do. Sometimes you need to keep the
lights on, you know? Exactly, yeah. So, you know,
and in this case, you know, with... This movie,
I mean, this movie actually has quite an interesting
background, though. It was written by three women.
Yeah. Written by Carmelinda Valverde, Teresa
Samperio, and Isabel Samperio. And I'm only familiar
with Isabel because Isabel actually wrote a bunch
of crazy movies, too, on her own. And we have,
yeah, Carmelinda Valverde. I mean, she worked
with Christian for quite a while and is early
in his career. She did Bulldog. She did Ritmo,
Traicion y Muerte, Cumbia Asesina. And then what
was the other one? Sinaloa, I believe. All kinds
of crazy shit. So imagine three women wrote this
movie. I mean, there's a lot of tie -ins for
both of these movies. Obviously Christian had
the idea. He hired these ladies like, hey, make
this movie happen. Give me a script. And sure
enough, they all wrote him a fucking great movie.
And I'm like, damn, three women wrote this movie?
That's probably why those... Those lesbian scenes
were, like, super sensual. Yeah. It felt like
I was watching, like, a Red Shoe Diary, like,
movie. Like, we were talking before we were recording,
like, the soundtrack to this is super, like,
Skinamax -type sounding soundtrack. And, you
know, these girls are, like, you know, humping
pillows and, I mean, supercharged eroticism.
Yeah, just creepy shit, yeah. And that was the
thing about Christian. He was very big on erotic
stuff, too. So his other movies have erotic,
you know, material as well. I mean, I'm all for
it. Oh, yeah. He's fucking great. I think once
we get into the show, I'm going to keep giving
you titles, Joey. I'm going to be like, watch
this Christian movie. Watch this Christian movie.
Bang them all out. And if he was still alive
and we had him on the show, he would tell you
the same thing like I'm telling you now. He made
movies for assholes because he was an asshole.
Mexico is a big asshole. I mean, I love Mexico,
man. I love my peoples, but yeah, man, there's
some assholes, man. Or a bunch of pieces of shit.
That's what he would tell you. I mean, it's no
surprise. I mean, we've talked about it. you
know in private and maybe a little bit on the
show but like you know violence against women
in mexico is a huge huge issue so i mean it's
no surprise that you see that translated onto
screen yeah um and have shitty characters but
to have it written by women is kind of interesting
three women which i thought was funny like the
first time i saw that i was like wait did i just
see three women wrote this movie i was like i
thought it was just christian but no christian
you know he he had his uh people you know that
he worked with So if this was shot on 35, is
there a print of this laying around somewhere?
More than likely, yeah. At the Cineteca maybe?
I know a lot of his 35mm stuff is at Cineteca,
like Imperio de los Malditos. That's probably
his most famous one, I think, in 35mm. It's there,
I know that. Man, we gotta get someone to do
35mm screenings of this shit, man. People are
severely sleeping on this shit. I know. I would
die to see this movie on 35. You gonna tell me
if this didn't screen at like a small like you
know 100 seat theater people wouldn't show up
for this shit? Oh yeah. I'm telling you. Hopefully.
One day you know. But for now it's all at Cineteca.
And Christian's movies I mean they live on on
the internet you know you can find them anywhere
you know. Yeah this one's on YouTube. Yeah this
is on YouTube. All his other movies on DVD, VHS.
Easily to get sometimes. And he would tell you.
You know, just buy them or you just boo like
my girl. Just boo like. That's how cool he was.
He would just be like, oh, yeah. If it's on YouTube,
watch it. I mean, I'm kind of the same way, you
know. If you have the means to buy something,
pay for it, you know. But if it's offered for
free, you know, it is what it is, you know. Sometimes
people don't have, you know, access to movies.
And if it's on YouTube, fuck it. I'm watching
it. Yeah. I mean, you see. I mean, we're in the
house. I have everything here with me. I don't
need the internet. but anyways but uh yeah that's
why armando's the god of this shit you know too
many eventually we'll go through all of these
fucking tapes at some point that was that was
the whole purpose of this show you know trying
to get armando to give me access to this fucking
vault that he has here you know i'm gonna leave
joe christian because there is some christian
movies yeah i need you to take home yeah dude
i'll digitize the shit out of it yeah exactly
All right. I think that wraps it up. I mean,
we talked about two crazy mothers. I mean, one
was really crazy. The other one was just kind
of, how can I explain it? She was just really
protective and, you know, she was cool. a little
too cool yeah that's like she she was like the
mom like your friend's mom in high school that's
like oh you guys want to smoke weed yeah sure
yeah there we go leave the leave the leave the
fucking the roaches in the ashtray you know she
was that type of mom yeah exactly so you know
two different kinds of mothers you know we felt
it was appropriate for mother's day especially
for trash mics yeah i'm gonna talk about I don't
know, something with the mothers that are happy
or something. No, fuck no. Nah, hell no, man.
I'm going to give you some greasy shit. No. You
know, the older I get, the less into drama I
am, you know? Give me the fucking sleaziest movies.
And that's what's going to make me happy. We're
not going to watch Father of the Bride. We're
going to watch Imperio de los Malditos for Father's
Day. I still haven't seen that. Okay, so this
is a good idea for Father's Day. If we do a Father's
Day episode, we're going to do Imperio de los
Malditos because it does have to do with a father
figure, sort of. There it is. I think we're going
to do that. Unless you want to do Father of the
Bride with Andy Garcia. Specifically the Andy
Garcia version. But, yeah, you know, enjoy the
Mother's Day. If you're watching, you know, hey,
you know what? That's an idea. Watch these movies
with your mom. How about that? Tell a trash mix
sense you. Maybe Obsession, but I don't know
about Esclavity. Esclavity, you're going to have
to watch that by yourself. Anyways, happy Mother's
Day. Yeah, happy Mother's Day to all the mothers
out there. Yeah, hug your mom if she's still
there. Fucking, if not, you know, chunk up a
deuce and say peace to the sky. Yeah, exactly.
next month is father's day you know you may you
may have just gotten a little hint into what
yeah maybe or maybe not i don't know we'll see
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happy Mother's Day. Enjoy. Peace. Porque los
mantiene ocultos. Encadenados. No quiero exponerme
a que los vean. A que se burlen de ellos. De
mí. No podría soportarlo. Usted dijo que yo venía
a curarlos. A separarlos. Así es, doctor. Está
loco. Es una intervención difícil. Peligrosa.
Yo no me presto a esto. Doctor. Se lo suplico.
Doctor! This time... He's going to do what I
ordered.