Hello everybody, welcome to the Trash Mix Podcast,
and it's October, which means we're going to
talk about horror movies, finally. I know some
of you were like, when are you guys going to
talk about horror? And I was like, we'll get
to it soon, don't worry, we're going to give
you some good shit. And we're going to dig into
some slashers this time. Right, Joey? That's
right. I know. I'm sure people probably prefer
to hear about the Mexican horror movies. So we'll
see. We'll see how this episode goes. Yeah. Yeah.
This is going to be a unique one because, like
I said, these are slashers from mostly the 90s,
if anything. So it's like pretty unusual, but
it's cool. And these are movies that hardly anybody
even knows or really has seen. You look at the
Letterboxd logins, IMDb ratings, very small or
nothing at all. Yeah, you can't even really find
too much information about them, like Googling
and stuff. It's basically just like... Bare bones,
yeah. Yeah, super bare bones. So, yeah. And then
this episode and then Joey. So, actually, this
is not even one episode, right? We're going to
do multiple. Yeah, you know... Armando keeps
telling me, and I'm sure he's told a lot of people,
people always hit him up asking him, is this
a slasher? We wanted to talk about slashers,
but we figured there's a lot of Mexican slashers.
Why not give you guys what you want? And we're
not going to do one episode this month. We're
going to do four. Yeah, when I was giving Joey
the time, I was like, yeah, so we're going to
talk about all these. And he was like, we'll
probably need to split these. I was like, actually,
yeah. At first I was like, ah, we could just
speed run to them. But I was like, nah, you know
what? Yeah, we got to split them. Yeah, you got
to give it their proper due because I'm sure
there's people out there that are not going to
like these movies. But I fucking, so far, I've
liked almost all of them. Yeah, and then there
are always some. You're just like, what? but
we'll get to them but yeah today we're going
to talk about two the other and then the other
episodes it's going to be two as well double
features yeah every episode will be a double
feature so it'll be eight total movies for the
month of october four episodes yeah so yeah enjoy
it and uh the reason why it's called is it a
slasher because then it derives from these messages
that i used to get back in the day like i'd be
on facebook you know just like whatever bullshitting
and they get a message And then someone in Spanish,
you know, in Mexico or, like, I don't know, another,
like, Spanish -speaking country will message
me. They'll be like, oh, yeah, bro, esto es un
slasher. And then it'll be, like, in weird caps.
Like, the way they type, I'm like, who's typing
this? Like, what is going on? Like, are they,
like, on the phone or what? And then they send
me the picture of the movie that I posted. And
I'm like, I guess, yeah. I think I said it kind
of was or maybe it wasn't. so constantly and
then there was one guy i'm not gonna say his
name but he was one guy who would message me
he'd be like hey so what happens in this movie
does the killer use this kind of weapon or that
kind of like what the fuck I was like, didn't
you just read what I posted? I think people see
the images and then they just hit you. I mean,
it goes with everything. It's not just this.
Yeah, it goes with a lot. People see a headline
or a caption or an image and then automatically
just come up with a situation in their head.
So this is exactly what the first movie that
we're going to talk about, which is called Panico
en el Bosque. And people are always. That's like
the one that people just assume is a slasher
because of the cover. Well, before we get into
that, why don't I think it'll be beneficial to
the listeners and to the month and, you know,
the theme of October as a whole. What the fuck
is a slasher, right? Because I feel like so many
people call or mislabel movies. That's true.
Not just slasher movies, but in general, you
know, you still have people that call Suspiria
a giallo, which. People are fucking idiots. I
literally saw that movie and I was like, this
is not a giallo. Yeah, people are idiots. Anyone
who's calling Suspiria a giallo is an idiot.
That was snow. I think it'll be beneficial if
we, not decide, but if we give our definition
of what a slasher is. And that way it'll give,
you know, kind of a more, a bigger meaning to
when we decide whether or not these movies are
slashers. Yeah, exactly. All right. So Joey,
what do you think is a slasher? I mean. How would
you define it for yourself? To me, this is my
opinion here. A slasher is kind of just a systematic,
like rhythmic killing of a ton of people in a
horror movie. Because you have a lot of kills
in a giallo movie too, but I wouldn't consider
a giallo movie a slasher, right? So it has to
be horror leaning or horror themed. And it just
has to have... You know, at least, I don't know,
seven plus kills, I would say. Seven? I mean,
that seems right. Yeah. You figure there's always
like, you know, there's always, you know, whatever,
three or four couples or there's always, you
know, a group of teenagers. That's true. There's
always got to be a couple of cynical adults that
got to die, you know. That's true. There's got
to be at least seven and above. Oh, yeah. So,
yeah, I kind of have to go with that. Yeah, it's
like people get killed. There's a sharp weapon
used. The killer wears a mask or doesn't wear
a mask or a disguise. There's always red herrings.
There's got to be at least two or three red herrings
in Slasher. Yeah, exactly. you know bloody kills
you know if the kills aren't bloody and you don't
see them at all you just know they're dead it's
like well then that's not a slasher yeah that
kind of that's kind of like the fine line right
because there are a lot of slashers that do kills
off screen yeah and primarily because of you
know budgetary reasons you know they can't afford
to have a makeup artist do the do the effects
um so i don't know where i stand on that because
there are a couple off off camera kills in the
movies that we're going to cover oh yeah um but
So I don't know. I don't know if I use that against
a slasher to not label it a slasher or not. Well,
let's dig into the one that I said, Pánico en
el Bosque. Señor. Dime, Mari. Le llaman por teléfono.
Gracias, ahorita contesto. Está bien. Que saquen
a toda la gente del parque. Es bastante tarde.
Muchachos, busquen a Lalo. Immediately, when
you look at the cover, you're like, it's a slasher.
There's a ghoulish person holding a knife and
holding a severed head. And then you're just
like, okay, maybe. And then you look at the back,
same thing. You look at the back, and then there's
a bunch of kills on there. I'm holding the tape
right now. That was like a kill, dead body. I
mean, it's very much marketed as a slasher. The
way it's marketed, yeah. When you look at the
cover, the font and everything. Like who is this
monster right here? Oh, yeah. So the funny thing
is later on I actually found out where that came
from because that's not in the movie, by the
way. Yeah, it's not. So it comes from another
movie prior that was made. It's called Mátame
Porque Me Muero. And if you haven't heard of
it or seen it, it's like a ghost horror comedy
from Mexico. And this is one of the ghost zombies
that appears in the movie. like that's literally
the the image and everything they just drew it
and then they put the head over it is it the
same production company or something like why
would they just steal i don't know but it's just
that's the art that's where the art comes from
it's from that one movie and it's like so random
there's nothing related to it i was like trying
to see if there's anything related to it then
no they just took the the inspiration from that
movie because the the scene it's like yeah the
ghosts or zombies or whatever and she's holding
a knife like that So it looks pretty good. So
I don't know. They probably saw it and were like,
hey, let's just use that for the art. Fuck it.
I mean, yeah. Looking at the box art, it definitely
does. Like I said, it's marketed as a slasher.
Immediately you see, you're like, oh shit, it's
a slasher. You read the back. You're just like,
oh cool. Maybe, you know, give me some kills.
Then when you watch, you're like, what the fuck
is this? So let me break it down. It's set in
a national park or Bosque de Chapultepec. Like,
it's super obvious it's Bosque de Chapultepec.
And it's weird because they try not to make it
like it is, but then at the same time they do
say it is. So it doesn't make sense there. I
was so confused. Like, so it is Bosque de Chapultepec
or not? You got your forest rangers. One of them
is played by Flaco Guzman, Roberto Flaco Guzman,
who was a very famous actor during that era and
in the IRS before that. Carlos East is another
one that plays the forest ranger. And then his
little boy, Carlos East Jr. is in the movie.
Remember we saw, remember we saw East Jr. at
Beyond the Streets recently. Remember he mentioned,
he's like, I never even saw that movie. I thought
that was funny. He's like, yeah, I remember that
movie, but I never saw it. And yeah, so, you
know, they're forest rangers, you know, it's
typical day in the park and the forest or whatever.
Just, just a bunch of people going, you know,
messing around or, you know. there's punk there's
like a punk gang in the movie remember they're
just like fucking around causing trouble there
for everybody basically yeah the opening of this
movie is fucking hilarious to me because you
know they get the establishing shots of the forest
but there's also scenes of like group karate
at the oh yeah just like stuff there's like midgets
playing basketball yeah it's just so like okay
like okay this is just setting up the mood like
okay this is the setting And then immediately,
yeah, you start seeing the problems that go on
in the park. The Forest Rangers are on it. And
then there's, of course, that punk gang. They're
robbing people. They're, like, assaulting women
there. Like, they're the ones that are the antagonists.
But then, at the same time, I don't know. Sometimes
there's, like, problems there. And then, like,
a killer emerges. You don't see him killing,
but he emerges and then he kills somebody. Might
need to, like, save a kid or, like, keep people
from trouble. and yeah that's pretty much it
you know someone's lurking there and you don't
really know who it is until the end yeah this
one's kind of weird because you know it opens
up and there's like a an immediate kill but that
kill has nothing like it never comes up in the
story as to who that person oh before the opening
credit before the opening oh yeah so that was
the thing it's weird so it opens like the member
and then it just says oh produced by whatever
whatever but that's actually the kill from later
the first kill with the old lady and then remember
she's screaming at the girl Was that her? That
was her, yeah. Because it was off camera, right?
Yeah, it was weird. So I was like, why did they
take that off and put it there? It was so weird.
So that's what I'm saying. It's such a weird
fucking movie. So that was technically the first
kill of the movie. There it is. And then after
that, yeah, it's like I said, but the whole duration
is just mostly like just problems at the park.
You know, there's just people that mess, you
know, not following the rules or like cooking
or whatever. They're not supposed to be cooking.
Food? We all have it. No, no, no. I think that...
I'm sorry, but the park is already closed. Also,
alcohol is not allowed. Please retire. What are
you talking about? The park is for everyone,
right? Of course. We also pay our taxes. So get
out of here. We don't want people here. Let's
go. I don't understand. Let's go. I don't understand.
There's like a fire. Just really random shit.
And then the forest ranger. And then the little
boat. Remember Carlos Jr.? He's just riding a
horse. He ends up being... flaco is is it his
son or his nephew in the movie he's supposed
to be like his nephew yeah and then remember
he gets lost later and this which leads to the
big event where it's like everyone's like lost
or like you know the punks are messing with this
couple that's featured in the movie a lot for
some reason yeah so there's three punks in the
movie that's uh cesar bono yes jr and um i can't
remember the third guy's name um yeah i don't
remember the third guy um But yeah, I mean, it's
just three punks that... They frequent the park
and they're always just causing problems. Yeah,
they're complete scumbags. And they make it known
in the beginning. They show up at a little bar
and they're just absolute scumbags talking about
misogynistic, drunk, weed -smoking thieves that
end up killing people. Exactly. Huh? One that
has few letters, my Rudo. Why? Because he knows
that few words are needed for him to be a good
understander. Hey, the rat took too long in the
bathroom. Oh, well, you know him, he's very hung
up, he's just like his boss. You sure you were
talking bad about me, right? Oh, how are you
doing, bro? Oh, I killed Maria Candelaria. Oh,
Maria Candelaria. You, instead of having worms,
you have a boa inside. Oh, don't say boa, bro.
Those bugs are unlucky. I don't like bad boas,
because they have nothing. On the other hand,
the other day, I saw a cake, but it was delicious,
bro. Es que me voy caminando despacito y creo
que hay chicos pellizcotes en las nalgas. De
Dios, canal. Yo dije, esta vieja no me va a hacer
nada. ¿Cómo no? Me agarró a bolsazos, canal.
¿Qué me hizo joder? ¿Y qué creen? ¿Qué creen?
Se quitó los tapones la vieja y ahí venía detrás
de mí. Y yo, pues, recorrí la vieja detrás de
mí. Pero nunca me alcanzó. ¿Sabes quién era la
vieja? ¿Quién era? Tu jefa. No, no se enoje.
Mi Dolores del Río. ¿Por qué Dolores del Río?
Pues tú le pusiste así. La de Candelaria. Ya,
no marchen que traen cartilla. A ver, mesero.
La cuenta. Ya me aburrieron. Son 24 mil pesos.
¿Sabes qué, carnal? Enguelve metas para la perra.
Which bitch? The big bitch that I have. What?
A thousand pesos, nothing more? What? Do you
want more? How do you pay? Let's have a touch
and roll. Yes, to lower the cakes. How to lower
the cakes? To raise the spirit. No, no, no. I
say that to lower the cakes, you have to say,
Salud Kiki! And then, yeah, once the movie gets
to that scene where it's, like, everyone's lost,
the couple's getting chased by the punks, they
assault the girl, and then they kill her. And
then the unseen killer emerges, and then he kills
all the punks brutally. Like, that's actually
the money shot. It's, like, he's literally, like,
killing them with, like, a hatchet, was it, right?
Well, he killed two of them with, like, a big
-ass, like, a branch. Yeah, there we go, the
branch. From a tree. Yeah, I think he stabs Cesar
Bono through the chest. And then he stabs, I
don't remember if it was Alfonso Zayas Jr., but
one of him or the other guy, he stabs him, like,
through, like, the bottom of his neck. Yeah,
that was Jr., yeah, Alfonso Jr. Yeah. And then
after that, that's it, you know, and then everyone's
there, like, dead, and then the forest ranger
finds out, oh, it's this guy that's lurking there.
He's, like, a vagrant. They call him Monstro
or something like that. El Monstro. Yeah, which
is played by Gerardo Cepedachkin. Of course.
You know, but it's funny, though, because in
this, like, the movie itself, like, this is where
I think the problem lies, is that Flaco Guzman,
this is his only director credit for this movie.
I think he got lost in the sauce. Like, I don't
know if he was ever truly a fan of horror movies
because they played it safe and played it like
an action movie, right? So the whole time, it's
him being a fucking forest ranger. Oh, no smoking
in the park. Yeah, like he's enforcing the rules.
No drinking at the park, you know? So he's just
running around, and him and his goons are just
running around, you know, trying to stop people
from, you know, frolicking around, doing a bunch
of dumb shit. And everyone ends up getting fucking
killed. Yeah. But it's, I don't know, it's like...
it's like they didn't know what they were making
it's like I feel like what it was maybe it's
the script was just constantly changing that's
usually the case with these movies especially
the video homes they were constantly just changing
the script so I think that's probably what happened
obviously he didn't write it so he was just going
with whatever the fuck they were giving him he's
like alright we're gonna do that then that's
more than likely what it was that's literally
what it feels like like so much script changes
so it's like alright this is this was probably
intended to be a slasher for sure but then it
just kinda gets lost along the way it's like
okay now it's just like a movie about the forest
you know and the dangers of it you know yeah
because there's even times like throughout the
movie where like they're like understaffed and
under underpaid and shit and they're like you
know they're trying to get the resources and
you know and there's a couple scenes in there
where i think it was carlos he's his character
it was just like you know we can't do it we don't
have enough uh our jeep our jeep is fucked up
and you know whatever whatever yeah and bruno
ray ends up being like a um uh he comes in and
and he's playing like a uh like a high level
i guess police officer and it's like you know
we got to keep this quiet you know we have this
fucking this man running around and you know
we don't put him in an asylum or whatever the
case is but and flaco of course is just aloof
to all of it he's got his own problems his wife
hates him because he works too fucking much fucking
yeah he already sees his family like he's always
in the fucking forest working yeah yeah i don't
know he's um i don't know he i don't like again
i don't think i don't think he knew he was a
fan of horror movies if anything because he's
not known even in his acting i don't i don't
recall a bunch of horror movies from him but
yeah he started in a bunch of stuff but yeah
not really horror like he has a bunch of like
200 plus credits to his name and it's like you
think about his filmography like yeah he didn't
really do horror I don't think he was familiar
with it at all. So it seems weird to get him
to direct a straight -to -video slasher. So it's
not a slasher, right, Joey? I think this movie
tries to be a slasher, but doesn't really know
how to be a slasher. And I don't know if it's,
again, budgetary reasons that they couldn't show
too many kills. Yeah, only near the end, like
I said, in that scene at night when they're all
together. That's literally the only time you
see a bunch of kills like that. Yeah, and I mean,
there's a bunch of shitty characters in this
fucking movie that deserve to die, too. Like
you said, the grandma was like a drunk, beating
up her granddaughter because her son didn't give
enough money for her to get drunk, so she beats
on the granddaughter. No. Mejor te voy a cortar
el pelo. No. Porque si después lo puedo vender.
¿Sabes qué? Te voy a matar. She deserved to die.
She deserved to die a horrible death. That's
a death they should have showed on screen. The
punks, obviously, they all deserved to die. They
were complete fucking assholes. So it's like,
in a way, the killer was protecting the people
in the forest when you think about it. Yeah,
but you know, as soon as I seen that full cheeky
lean, I should have known that it was going to
be some mamadas because his role is so minimal
in this movie. Yeah, you only see him near the
end. And he's basically, he's like a gentle giant.
I would assume has mental disabilities. Yeah.
Because he doesn't talk. He just kind of grunts
around. There's a scene at the end of the movie
where he's at the zoo. Oh, yeah. And he picks
up a little girl because she can't see what's
happening. And the girl's mom comes in and, you
know, God, look at all my daughters. I start
slapping on. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't
call it a slasher. Yeah, I don't know. I'm, like,
stuck in a hard place with this one. Did you
like it, though? Because I did like it. See,
that's the thing. Even though it wasn't what
it was supposed to be or what you think it is,
it's still a decent movie. I personally did like
it. Yeah, I mean, it's not, like, great or anything
like that, but it's not a bad movie. It's made
well, I guess you can say, right? Yeah, exactly.
It wasn't made badly, yeah. You have a cast of
great actors. So obviously they were trying to
do something big here. Yeah, clearly, because
you got Flaco, you got Leticia Perdigon, Bruno
Rey, Cesar Bono, and then Carlos East. Like a
pretty well - I mean, those are huge names, yeah.
But yeah, the movie just kind of goes all over
the place and you're just like, what? And then
you go to a letterbox and people are like, yeah,
this is a great Mexican slasher. Slasher, slasher.
I'm like, did you guys watch the same movie?
Or are you guys just looking at the cover? Because
the cover, like I said, it does sell you as a
slasher. I was fooled by it too when I bought
it on Amazon years ago. But other than that,
no, not really. Yeah, I think I... I don't know.
This is the one out of all of them that I have
the most trouble with deciding whether or not
I consider it a slasher. I can't. I just call
it like a thriller, a forest thriller. I don't
know. A forest thriller. I don't know what to
call it, but yeah, it's not going to be what
you think it is. Yeah, I mean, I guess according
to the way I would define a slasher, it would
not be a slasher. Yeah, it's not going to fall
into that. But, I mean, to ease their own, if
the people want to watch it and consider it a
slasher or whatever. But I'm not putting it on
my slasher list. Would you buy it on Blu -ray?
You know, honestly, I would, though. Yeah, me
too. I would buy it on Blu -ray. If it got, like,
a restoration, I would totally buy it, actually.
But, you know, I think the, at least for the
most part, you know, every time I see reviews
for a Mexican movie or even, like, the ones that
Vinegar has put out, people aren't very friendly
to him, man. People kind of hate it. Maybe because
we have a cultural bias towards these movies.
I think people would hate this. I think the majority
of people are not going to like this movie. Unfortunately.
Because there is some good in it. It's not bad,
but it's just not what you think it is at all.
I mean, it's no different than some of the American
slashers that came out that were oversold, and
you watch it, and you're just like, what the
fuck? How is this a slasher? Nothing happens
for 40 minutes, and then a couple people die,
and yep, it's a slasher. And then gets a 4K release.
Yeah, a 4K release, ultra -limited box, all kinds
of shit. I don't know. I mean, maybe it's a classic
waiting to be rediscovered, but I doubt it. Some
weird things happen. That is true. I mean, yeah.
I mean, I guess you never know. But I do think
that the second movie is a slasher. That one
is like a legend on its own now because I feel
like I got really rediscovered. in the 2010s
when they got like uploaded online i remember
like i was one of the people that found out about
that movie through online and i was like oh i
never heard of this one yeah this one's hard
i'm looking at the cover right now um joey liked
it i was like joey you're gonna talk about this
yeah i like i actually like this one a lot um
but yeah the cover is pretty sick it's got a
dope ass font You got a psycho killer with a
giant Bowie knife in his hand. Which he does
use. Yeah, he does use. Jorge Reynoso, you know,
looking badass with his gun. You got like a cabin
with the fire going into the fireplace. Very
Friday the 13th looking inspired art, I guess
you could say. Something of that nature. Yeah,
I mean, it's similar. Slasher -esque, you know.
Yeah, it's really good. But, okay, I mean, let's
get into Bosque de Muerte. Like I just said,
I do think that Bosque de Muerte is a slasher,
so I think the majority of people would actually
prefer this one over Pánico. Oh, yeah, for sure.
But let's get into it. It's from 1993, directed
by Carlos David Ortigoza, who, you know, directed
a bunch of novelas. You know, I think this is
his only movie created. Yeah, it's weird. So
he has like a really interesting career because
he wasn't really much of an actor. He was more
of like a voice dub actor. And then he made a
company called Cisna. Oh, no. Cinsa. Cinsa. Which
was Compañia Cinematrica Africana. And they would
dub like American TV shows like the Jetsons,
Batman, Dragnet, shit like that. So that's what
he was primarily known for. So he was just doing
the dubbing work for Mexico, you know, for these
English shows. And then, I don't know, in the
90s, he stopped doing that and then he directed
this movie. That's so fucking weird. I thought
that was so strange. It's like, how did this
voice dub actor just make a slasher randomly
in the 90s? You know, a favor for a favor. Someone
needed a director and he's like, yeah, fuck it.
Yeah. And it came out well, which is great. Yeah.
I mean, I think it also helps that it was. written
by Carlos David Ortigoza, but also co -written
by Gilberto de Anda, who is known for having
really good scripts. Yeah, Gilberto de Anda,
he was a fan. I mean, he's a fan because he's
still alive. He's a fan of horror, sci -fi, so
he understands this type of stuff. He knows the
formula. This one follows the slasher formula.
He was doing his homework. Him and the other
guy were definitely like, all right, we're going
to make a slasher film, and this is how it's
going to go. and he also wrote a movie that we
covered in episode two un hombre violento which
if any of you guys listening actually went and
saw that you would you know and you liked how
violent that movie was um then you know what
you're in for for this movie because this movie
is also pretty fucking violent it's funny because
when you mentioned i remember you mentioned that
remember there's like a scene that reminded you
of what was it friday the 13th number yeah oh
yeah so that i'm saying so he knows the formula
yeah oh yeah yeah yeah this one is is 100 uh
a slasher but um it was produced uh this this
one i couldn't figure out because i had i saw
two different credits for this so i saw that
it was produced by jorge reynoso himself but
on the in the end title uh credits it was listed
for his brother oh yeah sergio and then gilberto
were the producers yeah Yeah, so that's a little
weird. I mean, typical with the Mexican shit,
though, like the information is kind of convoluted.
Kind of convoluted, and then it's so limited.
It's like it's just the family members or their
friends. This is clearly just like a family friend
affair. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, anyway, stars
Jorge Reynoso, who I know. Most people, when
they hear the word trash mix, they probably think
of Valentin Trujillo or the Almada brothers.
But I think Jorge Reynoso deserves a spot on
Mount Rushmore of this type of trash Mexican
cinema. Because, I mean, he is legendary. Yeah,
he's very legendary. Even today, people know
him still. He's not acting no more. He's long
retired now. Yeah, he's still very popular. People
still talk about him. I mean, he has almost 300
credits, which I'm sure he probably has some
uncredited shit that would take him to 300. But
he's sitting at like 290 official credits, which
is fucking crazy. But yeah, absolutely legendary.
If you've seen his face, even if you've never
seen his movies, you've seen his face and you
know who he is. Yeah, so it also stars Sergio
Bustamantes, Alejandra Espejo, Andrea Aguirre,
Lorena Victoria, Andres Bonfiglio, who people
know from Ladrones de Tumbas, and Muerte en la
Playa, which I'm sure, you know, that's one of
Armando's favorites right there, the Vadio movie.
Andres Garcia Jr. And his brother Leonardo. And
his brother, exactly, yeah. who, you know, people
would know from Cemetery de Terror, Casador de
Demonios. I mean, there's a lot of tie -ins and
familiar faces in this one. But, yeah, I mean,
it follows like a Friday the 13th, I guess, plot,
really. I mean, you know, a couple kids show
up to a cabin, and all hell kind of fucking breaks
loose. Yeah, you know, you think it's going to
be a relaxing, you know, quiet afternoon, you
know, day in the forest. And then it starts raining
and then people die. Yeah, I think the main thing
is that there's like a family secret attached
to this cabin in the woods or in the forest.
Yeah. That kind of like looms over the entire
movie. And, you know, obviously at the end, you
know, I'll talk about it later. But we get into
like the family history and why it's kind of
a. like a rule that they're not supposed to be
at this cabin yeah because they weren't that
house hasn't been like used for years if i recall
something like that yeah um but again you know
it follows the formula there's three couples
you have um sylvia and cesar raul and tamara
and adolfo and laura and you know they're they
play like the generic they're like college age
yeah like early 20s yeah that's the thing too
with you know a lot of the times they're supposed
to be younger people but you can i mean you look
at them and yeah these motherfuckers are like
40 years old um yeah i think um alejandra espejo
was the one that was alejandra espejo was the
little bit older one but she was supposed to
be younger technically yeah yeah yeah but you
know like i said the formula you know every character
is is the same character in in slasher movies
right so You have, you know, the complainer,
right, the one that doesn't want to do anything.
Everything's too hard, you know. You have the
final girl, you know, who obviously is attached
to this cabin. You have, like, the slutty girl
or, like, the loose girl. You have the jokester.
You have, like, the clean -cut, you know, I guess
soft -spoken. Not soft -spoken, but, you know,
just clean -cut generic guy. um and then you
have like the jock the asshole guy so i mean
it you know you're starting to see a pattern
here and a lot of it is shot in like a pov style
too you get a lot of uh tracking shots of all
right who who are these people who's watching
these people you know like they show up to the
cabin and they're fucking they're already being
stalked but yeah um but yeah i mean so it starts
off i mean this is the funny part right because
it starts off with jorge reynoso blasting these
fucking uh like illegal loggers shoots one of
their fucking legs off he's like a total badass
he's got like a gold like glock or not even a
glide looks like a 1911 but it's all gold he's
like a he's the uh the forest ranger i guess
you will yeah he's like the head forest or the
only one really you only see him which is funny
yeah exactly right he's the only one the driver
of the truck and tell him that we are almost
ready. Bring him. What are you doing is illegal.
This is an ecological reserve area. It's forbidden
to cut down trees. Drop your weapons and surrender
peacefully. But yeah, so he shows up and, you
know, they're on the side of the road. The three
couples, you know, they're on their way to this
cabin. And he shows up like, no, I can't help
you. Like, I'm waiting for the cops. And the
kids are like, what the fuck is going on? And
they see like this guy's in the back of the bed.
And so they're so it already sets up like, all
right, this guy's a fucking badass. He's probably
going to be the hero. uh and if he's not the
hero then he's secretly gonna be involved with
the killings but yeah because he's very like
very like you know he's just so quiet like in
serious so you don't really know at first like
is he very stoic yeah very stuck so you don't
know if he's gonna be like the killer or the
hero is he gonna help him he just don't know
yet so that's the thing i liked about the movie
is like there's just all this mystery surrounding
going on you're like you don't know who's who
or what's what's gonna happen yeah especially
because the main girl sylvia she you know And
in the opening scene where they run into each
other, she recognizes them. Like, where do I
know this fool from? Yeah. And it turns out that,
you know, she has a history with this fool because
they show up to the cabin. And, you know, we
kind of get a little bit of a backstory there
about why, you know, why they're not supposed
to be at this cabin. Like, what's the lore around
this cabin? Silvia says that the house has been
closed for more than 12 years, since her mother
died. Yes, look, you can see it. Hey, Cesar,
and is it true about her mother? Why? Well, they
say she drowned in the lake around here, and
the body was never found. What do you know? Well,
I know the same as you, but I don't think it's
convenient to talk about it in front of Silvia.
Of course. Hey, and her father? As far as I know,
I haven't seen him since her mother died. And
then, you know, this fool, Jaguar. His name is
Jaguar. He shows up to kind of... you know let
them know hey be safe you know there's some weird
shit going on and she basically you know finally
realized like oh this i know this boy he was
from my childhood and i guess they had like a
secret like a secret love affair yeah they're
like child sweethearts yeah because remember
they were like they carved their names on the
tree exactly yeah yeah she walks up to like a
tree and there's like a you know the the j and
the s yeah carved into the into the the trunk
of the tree um But then we're also introduced
to Jacinto, who's like the first red herring
of the movie. He's like the caretaker of the
cabin. He's all dirty and shit. Yeah, that was
played by Alfredo Gutierrez, El Turco, who was
like in a million movies as a small role or a
leading role. Here he's kind of in a small role,
but he's in everything. Oh, yeah, yeah. Del Turco,
yeah. And of course, you know, he's the fucking
the funny thing is he's walking around like with
red chucks Maybe he's the killer maybe maybe
it's just weird, but you don't know Chicas, el
es Don Jacinto, el administrador del rancho.
Ella es Tamara y ella es Laura, compañeras de
escuela. Mucho gusto. Encantada. Don Jacinto,
necesitamos leña para la chimenea. Y que nos
conecte, por favor, el gas para tener agua caliente.
Enseguida, niña. No faltaba más. Gracias. again
there's just so much mystery going on yeah it's
um yeah but you know it kind of lends into the
story right because i mean it helps kind of create
this tension between the characters it helps
with like um you know eventually when the characters
start you know the they start converging towards
the end where all the real action happens like
okay now i get why you know this person was with
that person and shit like that so yeah um Yeah,
I mean, I don't know. There's some good kills
in here. We finally get a flashback and get told
the true story of what happened here. And I guess
it was Sylvia's mom. Yeah, she had problems with
the dad. Yeah, she accused the dad of cheating
naturally. The dad's like, no, fuck no. um she
decides to leave but what ends up happening is
they the story goes is that she drowned yeah
she drowned in the lake and no one's seen her
yeah her body her body was never found um but
yeah so i mean you know what you already know
what happened to this movie right so all these
kids are in this cabin they start getting picked
off one by one um there's actually a really cool
scene where and you look online and this is the
scene that everyone talks about um And the Jacinto,
you know, as I said, he's the caretaker. So he
kind of just looms around this cabin throughout
the entire movie. And finally, when shit starts
getting good, you know, they're scared. Like
someone's creeping on the cabin. And all of a
sudden, a fucking head flies through the window.
And the girls start screaming and shit. Ends
up being Jacinto is not the killer because his
head just flew through the fucking window. And
now we're left thinking, all right, who the fuck
can possibly be the killer now? Is it the mother
that we never knew died for sure? Or is it the
dad? Or somebody else? I mean, you never know.
People would assume it's the dad, but... you
just don't know for sure yeah you just don't
know um but you know as it all happens you know
they get locked up in this cabin there's like
a a friday the 13th style death in this because
uh one of the girls tamara decides while all
this chaos is happening she decides she has to
go to the bathroom And she can't hold it anymore.
So she goes to the bathroom and, blam, gets caught
with a fucking axe to the face, you know, all
off right at the 13th. I love those scenes. Whenever
they show the axe on the head, I was just, I
don't know, the imagery just looks so cool. so
if i get killed if i get killed in the slasher
style i hope they throw a hatchet on my fucking
head that's how i want to die i mean that's like
the the classic uh slasher kill is getting a
fucking some kind of knife or an axe or hatchet
or something to the fucking face yeah and just
falling against a wall and then the blood is
just dripping down your face i don't know what
it is i just love that image it's like please
if you're gonna kill me that way you do it like
that the crime scene photos will be dope yeah
it's um Yeah. Well, while this is happening,
I guess it's not hard to decipher who the who
the killer is, because after all the kids, you
know, they get stalked and killed. It ends up
being that Sylvia's dad, the owner of the cabin,
is the killer. I mean, he's I mean, he's holding
a knife in the cover. So it's not a mystery,
but it's still good to just still like, you know,
go in and not knowing anything, you know. Even
if you do know, you're just like, well, let me
see how this plays out. And then, yeah, it plays
out really good. Then you find out why he's doing
it. Yeah, he gives the backstory. Yeah, he's
a fucking psycho. You're just like your mother,
always questioning me, always pressuring me.
That was it. That selfishness was what killed
her. You were too young to remember. But that
day... Decidió abandonarme. Abandonarme a mí.
A mí que le había dado todo lo que una mujer
puede soñar. Todo. Menos cariño. All these years.
And all for what? For you to fall in love and
break up with anyone. One of these days. Just
like you thought it would be your mother. Separarnos.
Separarnos. in the lake and then scream and that's
why I had to kill Tú eres todo lo que tengo.
Y no voy a permitir que nadie nos separe. crazy
guy kills his wife drowned her body and uh now
he's ready to you know kill everyone else who's
left which is his daughter and haguar they should
yeah they should have uh they should have been
a couple man they should they should have rekindled
the love there's like a jealousy love story between
uh sylvia and her dude um because he sees her
you know getting attached to Hogwarts. I mean,
why wouldn't you? The dude's fucking, you know,
a buff macho man with a fucking gun. And then,
I mean, they're not supposed to be the same age
because technically he's supposed to be older.
He's older. But in real life, they're both the
same age. They're much older than the rest of
the cast. The rest of the cast are much younger,
which is funny. Yeah, well, I mean, look, this
one is a clear slasher in my opinion. And I think
out of the two movies from this episode, this
is definitely going to be the better, the better
one. Yeah. I mean, I will say it does play out
slowly. Like it does take its time to build up,
but it's a good builder upper. Like you're in
it and you're just like, Oh, what's going to
happen next? Oh shit. Storm's coming. Oh shit.
You know, what's going to happen now? Like all
this mystery and then you're just trying to figure
out what's going on. And then that music score
helps it too. It's so like eerie sounding. I
just love it. Yeah. There was definitely some,
um, There was one scene in particular. Like synths?
Yeah, it's like a synthy soundtrack, but it had
like the people who have seen the movie Cannibal
Holocaust would know. There's like the score
from Riz Ortolani. It's like that doom, doom,
doom. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That droning, brooding
synth sound. There's one cue in Bosque de Muerte
that has that similar style. And I was like,
oh, hell yeah. It's just going to get real right
now. The music helps as well. Everything about
this movie is good. It's great. I'm glad people
discovered this when it got uploaded online.
I think this is one that if someone were to release
this, like Vinegar or Severin or Arrow or anybody,
I think people would kind of hate the fact that
it's slow. But appreciate it for the last 40
minutes or maybe like 30 minutes. Yeah, it's
like 30. Because that's where all the good shit
happens. And you actually do see blood in this.
So then the kills aren't off camera in this one
like they are in Panico. Yeah. And like I said,
it was written as a slasher. And then it turns
out to be a slasher. It's not just like, OK,
we're going to try to make one. And then it gets
fucked up along the way here. It's like they
just kept it straight early. No changes. Just
keep going. It's just funny that it's like. they
they decided to start ripping off friday the
13th like almost 15 years after yeah and i know
this got released in theaters but very shortly
by million dollar and then it just got thrown
on video after that oh shit so i might have been
dope seeing that in theaters imagine just walking
and you're like hey a new mexican slasher is
this do you think is this something i would assume
Was it shot on 16 or was it shot on video? It
looked like 35 to me. 35? It looked like 35,
honestly. It didn't look 16. I could be wrong.
It could be 16, but it looked like they definitely
shot it on film, of course. But it was obviously
intended for the theatrical market. And then
around 93, that's when they were just short theatrical
release window and then just dump it on video
after. So that was the case here. Damn, that
would have been fucking sick to see this on.
Yeah. At first I thought it was just a video
home, but then I was like, no, this is theatrical,
like the way the credits are rolling. And then,
like, I seen a one sheet poster of this before,
actually. So I was like, okay, this definitely
got a theatrical release. Oh, shit. Okay. By
Million Dollar. Damn, Million Dollar. Million
Dollar Video Corp, yeah. And then, of course,
they did the video release after. Naturally.
Yeah. But no, yeah, this is a good one. I think
people will enjoy it. Like I said, it's slow
and then it builds up. or it's a good one i i
really enjoy it well one thing we wanted to do
um because there's so many movies right and yeah
i don't want to be uh a deciding factor here
we wanted to you know ask a couple people to
come in watch these movies with us and help us
decide is this a slasher or is it not a slasher
um so we got a couple people you know see to
you know Give us their opinion and maybe, I don't
know, sway one way or the other because I don't
know what they're going to say. I'm purposely
waiting to hear what they're saying until I put
it into the show, edit it into the show. But
if they sound interesting, check it out. Try
to find the movie. I'm sure these tapes are available
on eBay and shit. They're not too scarce. If
we find sources, we'll put them in the show notes.
We're not going to let you guys not watch these.
So maybe these will be on the show notes. Maybe
not. I don't know. We'll see. If they are, they
are. And if they're not, then fuck it. Yeah,
I don't know what happened there. Just don't
be hitting up Armando and asking, oh, yo, bro,
that's some slasher? Oh, my God, bro. Did I get
one the other day? No, I didn't. It was for another
movie, but yeah. But yeah, these are two great
ones for what they are. You know, Panico is not
a slasher, really. It wants to be one, but it's
still entertaining. Bosque de Marte, they obviously
know what they're doing. That's a good one. This
is a slasher for sure. So if you're going to
ask me about this one, yes, it's a slasher. I
wonder what's up with the Mexico slashers being
themed into forests or national parks and shit,
you know? Because there's a couple of them. The
easiest way to fucking get a permit is, hey,
let's get a permit for the forest. Because they're
going to go to a city or they're going to go
to, like, I don't know. I mean, where else do
slashers take place? I mean, they mainly take
place in the forest. What do you think? Yeah,
that's true. Yeah. They're camping or there's,
you know, exactly. So it's like, yeah, they're
just going to do it in the forest. Fuck it. Yeah.
You don't got to shut down a city, right? Just
close off a section. I don't even need to get
a permit. Just ask. Or guerrilla style. Just
steal the shots. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. There
we go. Perfect. All right. Well, this one was
short and sweet. You know, it's the it's the
first episode. So we'll let you guys decide if
you end up watching it. You know. Hit us up.
Tag us on Instagram. Or if you're on Letterboxd,
do the Letterboxd review. Let us know that you
watched it. And let us know. Is it a slasher?
Is it not a slasher? Yeah, let us know. Like,
literally. Send us messages. Send us voice notes.
Whatever. Emails. Blow up our messages. Blow
up Joey's. Don't blame me. I'll take, like, a
day to respond now. yeah i don't get i don't
get no like i'm dating now so i'm busy guys yeah
there it is i'm still single so for the lady
listeners you know if i got that very white voice
yeah no yeah hit up joey but yeah joey single
hit him up with dad hit him up yeah i'll respond
to the day like i said i take too much i'm sorry
all right well hopefully you guys like it you
guys know what to do find us online um stay tuned
for next week's episode That one's going to be
good, too. Yeah, that one's going to be really
good. So stay tuned. Of course, we're going to
have another couple of guests weigh in on that
one. But for now, these are the guests for the
first episode. And they watch Panico and Bosque
de Muerte. And we'll see if they liked it. Let's
see what they say. Is it a slasher? Is it not?
I don't know. You guys decide. Yeah, let them
decide. This is the Unsung Horrors podcast. I'm
Erica. I'm Lance. And I watched Bosque de Muerte,
which I would say is a slasher, but you have
to wait an hour of its already short runtime
of about 80 minutes for it to become that. You
know, it has a lot of the trappings of a slasher.
You know, there's stalking, there's a voyeuristic
element earlier in the film. But once it does
finally get around to the gore, there's a few
standard kills like an axe to the head and a
throat slash. But most slashers have one really
memorable kill. And for me, that's definitely
Jacinto's head being thrown through the window.
So, yeah, I mean, it's definitely a slasher,
but one that you have to be very, very patient
with. What about yours, Lance? I watched, I'm
going to use the English title, Panic in the
Forest from 1989. Panico en el Bosque. There
you go. Thank you. I'm from the Rio Grande Valley.
I should be able to nail this. You should be
better than this. I am not very good at it. Okay,
so there's a 10 -second cold open before the
credits start that certainly sets the film up
to be a slasher. It's what looks like a woman
being murdered by this. a disfigured hand off
screen. And right away I was sold, thinking,
okay, we might have a slasher on our hands here.
Then we're quickly introduced to some young kids,
which is, again, classic setup for a slasher,
right? We're meeting the killer's future victims,
upcoming victims. They're probably going to venture
into the woods later that evening, and we'll
get a little bit of what that title hints at.
And we also cut to this disfigured killer strolling
in the woods, grunting and moaning like Madman
Mars. Okay. So I was like, here we go. This is
it. But his first kill is killing a mother who
is kind of abusing and mistreating her daughter,
which was weird. Okay. And that's kind of what
this turns out to be. This strange homeless guy
who's, you know, he could pass as a weird murderer,
like a murderer in the woods, but it's rather
a sweet, dim -witted guy. Think classic like
Frankenstein Monster or even a Lenny from Of
Mice and Men. who loves children, wants to protect
them, but is a little bit dumb and just too strong.
It made me think a little of Mr. Abbey from An
Eye for an Eye, that 1973 horror we covered,
who kills parents who mistreat their children.
So any hint of a slasher or fake out of it being
a slasher, other than that cold open, takes place
in the last 15, 20 minutes of the movie. In between,
it's just a lot of melodrama and character building.
And there's this engaged couple. Drunk punks,
a grandmother and her grandson, they're lost
in the woods. The killer's roaming. I'm like,
okay, here we go. Bring on the grunting madman.
But it just turns into the punks killing a park
ranger, killing a girl and chasing the kid who
saw them murder her. So this is not a slasher
at all. Okay. There's a semi -high body count,
but most of the kills are done by accident. We
have some park rangers who die in a fire because
some drunk campers accidentally started a fire.
And then the punks are doing all the killing.
I mean, overall, I think this movie, I think
Panic in the Forest is fine. It's very messy,
but I love the campiness from the characters,
especially the grandmother. She is so fun to
watch. Felt like a telenovela in the woods. And
you know me, I love soap opera vibes in my horror
films. So I leaned more into liking this than
finding it boring. It's something I'd recommend,
but I would preface it by saying, do not expect
a slasher movie. It sounds like it has all the
ingredients of it, but they just did not come
together to form. a slasher pie yeah yeah they
had they had the setting the forest they had
the creepy looking grunting yeah point of view
from the killer but it's just no yeah bosque
de muerte also had like you know the horny teens
you had you know three different um couples that
are all going to this remote place and um the
killer is very predictable like if you If you
don't guess who the killer is, you've never seen
a movie before. But it it's the same where it
like it had all the ingredients and I was starting
to get worried. I was like, is anyone going to
fucking die in this movie? And then finally,
OK, we get to that. So but I mean, I I did like
it, but it just took a really long time for me
to get there. So I'm a little I'm a little split
on my recommendation for Bullskated Marthay.
Anyway, thanks to Joey and Armando for having
us share our thoughts. Yeah, love the podcast.
So I just finished watching Panico del Bosque
and Bosque de Muerte. Between the two, honestly,
I like Bosque de Muerte more because it seems
to follow a lot of the slasher tropes front to
back without any real issues outside of the last.
20 minutes of it actually being a full -on slasher
where Panico al Bosque seemed more like a police
periodical slash family drama with like the last
10 minutes of it actually being a slasher with
no indication of who the real killer was. I actually
got a little confused because I thought the three
punk slash like I'm assuming teen delinquents
were the actual killers that were causing a racket
but you know sometimes people got thrown in curveballs
so yeah I going back to it Busque de Muerte was
my favorite of the two though so yeah and I think,
like I said before, they both have slasher elements
to it, with Busque de Muerte being more of a
slasher than Panico en el Busque. Oh, I butchered
that one. Sorry about that. ¿Oyeron eso? ¿Sí?
¿En el cortizo? Seguramente el alto se dio un
toque baboso. Let's go!