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Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Trash Mix podcast.

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We're now on episode three, season two, and we're

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going to get really serious, I guess, this time.

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It's pretty much about social issues and stuff

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like that going on, especially with the community

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right now, especially. But we're also going to

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dig into the past as well, which is something

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that, you know, we all are very familiar, especially

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if you're Mexican -American or just Latin American,

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you're familiar with the immigration, you know,

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the discrimination. The realities of it, you

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know, crossing over the United States. And we're

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going to discuss two films about that. The first

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one being called Mojados, which is Wetbacks in

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English from 1979. Then our second film will

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be called El Vagon de la Muerte, which is like

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Boxcar of Death. And yeah, that's a pretty brutal

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one. And yeah, so Joey, what do you got to say

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about it? Yeah, man, you know, this is like,

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I know we had talked about it and, you know,

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with everything going on in... especially L .A.,

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but around the country, we just thought it would

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be a good discussion to have something that's

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a little bit more serious, more drama -based,

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but it's kind of drenched in the realities that

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we face right now with illegal immigration, Border

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Patrol being the fucking Nazis that they are

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right now, and just kind of the overall hate

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that immigrants get in this country. Whether

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illegal or not. Yeah. And it's crazy. Cause like,

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you know, you hear, you've heard about this in

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the past growing up, you know, like, yeah, this

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is what we had gone through or so -and -so went

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through. And it's like, now it's like, well,

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it's kind of happening again. You know, you're

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seeing it for yourself. Especially for us. Like,

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I mean, I, I assume, well, I know that I am a

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first generation. Well, my mom is, is actually

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born in this country, but like, you know, and

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as far as in my father's side, we're like first

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generation Americans. Yeah. And I'm sure there's

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a lot of people listening that are, you know,

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first -generation Americans as well. So I think,

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you know, the majority of people, especially

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the raza that's listening, is going to feel,

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you know, kind of in tune to these stories. They're

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two different stories of immigration, but they

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kind of both deal with the same type of realities

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that immigrants face. Yeah, exactly. Good point.

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All right, so let's see. First one will be Mojado's

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Wepex from 1979. And Joey, that was one that

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you picked, actually. Yeah, I had never seen

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this before. I picked this one just based off

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of the name, the cover, and the topic that we

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wanted to discuss. Yeah, that poster is really

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good. I mean, it's basically what the title is.

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You know, they're crossing over, you know, in

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the water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for those who

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don't know what Mojados means, you know, it's

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a derogatory term. It's the Spanish word for

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wetback, as Armando said earlier. But, yeah,

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I don't know. Let's kind of get into it here.

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So Mojados was a movie from 1979. I guess the

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general premise is basically, you know, there's

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politicians and local border patrol and I guess

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sheriffs that are all in cahoots with smuggling

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illegal Mexicans over for essentially what's

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slave labor. And this kind of has roots with

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the Bracero program that was in place here in

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the U .S. between the U .S. and Mexico that started

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in the 40s. And lasted into the 60s. So, you

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know, it deals with that and kind of, you know,

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it exposes, I guess, the type of corruption that

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that kind of, you know, I guess it's like the

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underlining of these type of programs, you know,

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that kind of allow politicians and allow local

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leaders to kind of, you know, get a one up on

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immigrants that don't know any better, that are

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just here to try to. try to make money try to

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have you know a better life for their family

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and stuff so yeah and it stars jorge rivero which

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i thought was pretty interesting because i mean

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when you look at him he doesn't look like anything

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like that at all no he's a very suave well put

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together man yeah like he almost looks out of

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place at times i'm just like i don't know if

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he's kind of believable but oh well i mean he's

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still a good actor but it was just kind of funny

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seeing him amongst like other people and they're

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like Yeah, he doesn't look like he'd be that

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kind of a person. Well, he's a couple shades

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lighter than most of the immigrants that die

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in this movie. Yeah, like, literally, he just

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stands out immediately. Like, even in the opening

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when they're all, like, getting on the bus or

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whatever. Yeah. Bro's just like, he looks so

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out of place. So, let's go. It's directed by

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Alejandro Galindo. um who had a very long career

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yeah 50 year career basically right from the

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golden age basically yeah like started in 30s

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made his way into the golden age and lasted all

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the way i think his last movie was 1989 if i'm

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not mistaken yeah um so yeah a 50 year career

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as a director pretty crazy written by Rafael

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Garcia Travesi, as well as Rogelio Agra Sanchez,

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who was also the producer of this movie, who

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is kind of a titan of Mexican cinema, especially

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for that era. Oh, yeah, big time. So we can talk

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about him in a little bit. It was also co -produced

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by one of his sons, Jose David Agra Sanchez.

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Yeah, David. Yeah, David. Cinematographer was

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Lorenzo Contreras. I think all in all, they did

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a really good job of finding the right locations,

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finding the right people, and kind of setting

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the tone to this movie. I know Rogelio Agra Sanchez,

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and you correct me if I'm wrong on this, but

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what I read was that he was kind of the first...

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uh mexican producer to basically invade the the

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rio grande valley and bring mexican productions

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there yeah he was pretty much the first one like

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that settled there especially just settled there

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you know some were already kind of coming over

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there but he was the one to settle there he had

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his house there in los fresnos and yeah he just

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brought everything out with him studio stuff

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and then he hired people from the area and he

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got community support as well So it all worked

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out for him to make these kind of movies. And

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the first one was, if I'm correct, it's Noblesse

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Ranchera with Juan Gabriel. Yeah, with Juan Gabriel.

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That was the first one that they did. Yeah, I

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guess... There's a pro and a con to it. I guess

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he was trying to escape the unions in Mexico

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City. The unions were crazy in Mexico City. In

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that time, they were just like, we're not going

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to deal with this anymore. They weren't fans

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of the politicians either. The government were

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like, we're going to have to do something. We're

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going to find a loophole. That's basically what

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they did. They found loopholes. We're going to

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come over here, make the movie, but register

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it as a Mexican film. Then go from there. i mean

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it was a it's a pretty uh funny process i'll

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dig into it another time but it's a funny process

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i do have a book where it talks about how they

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did that yeah i mean it's it's i mean for being

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the first he kind of you know set the tone of

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of you know the the i guess the aesthetics of

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mexican movies of the time because eventually

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People like the Galindo family moved up to Texas

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and were making movies in Texas. Multiple different

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producers ended up in Texas because of how successful

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Rogelio was with these productions. I read that.

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Especially this movie, Mojados, when it first

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opened, I guess that opening weekend made like

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$30 ,000. I don't know if it was a single theater.

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I would imagine it was a single theater. Yeah,

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it was the Don Gordon Theater in Houston. There

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it is. I can't imagine that he even spent more

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than $30 ,000 on this movie. Yeah, you can tell

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he spent way less than that. Yeah, because like

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you said, a lot of the community, they were excited

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to have... you know, productions move into their,

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you know, their smaller Texas communities and,

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you know, people would lend them cars, lend them

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their houses, would just act for free and all

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of it was free. So he basically only spent money

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on. you know equipment like production ship you

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know equipment and you know the actual film stock

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and the actors basically is what he was paying

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people for and then that opening scene they filmed

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it in the back of their house in los fresnos

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yeah that's what's crazy yeah the opening of

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this movie basically is what opens up with a

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monologue about You know, immigrants wanting

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to find a better life and, you know, the dangers

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that they face crossing the Rio Grande into Texas.

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And then it immediately cuts to Jorge Rivero

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and, you know, a group of nine other immigrants

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who were basically paying a coyote to take them

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back across the border so they can, you know,

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they can find work, obviously. natural border

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between Mexico and the United States. Now, it

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is here, in an extension of 2 ,986 kilometers,

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where the great hallucination exerts its harsh

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influence. Here, where millions of Mexicans,

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with reason or without it, renouncing the land

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that saw them born, are also attracted by the

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fabula of the dollar. here where perhaps the

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most intense drama of our times takes place human

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avalanches from all over the world of all races

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and creeds were launched since then to the conquest

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of the land of promise Pedro Ortega. Juan Garcia.

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Joey Martinez. Allá está la luz. Sí, ándame.

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And the, I don't know if he was, he was Chief

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Harris was his name. Oh yeah, I remember they

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keep saying his name funny. Harris. Harris, yeah,

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yeah. Um, he basically opens, allows his, uh,

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his sheriffs or his border patrol agents, cause

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they don't really distinguish if it's border

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patrol or sheriffs, uh, in the movie. So I, I'm

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just kind of, you know, using the terms interchangeably,

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but, um, yeah. So he allows his agents to open

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fire on these immigrants that crossing the border

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and plants drugs and guns on them to basically,

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you know, weaponize illegal immigration and demonize

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them and make them look bad. Um, but that whole

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scene, like, like Armando just said is, is all

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shot in Rogelio's backyard, which is kind of

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crazy to think, uh, you know, I, I don't know

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the landscape of the RGV, but I mean, it's pretty

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sick that, you know, you can have a whole ass

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river in your backyard. Oh yeah. Yeah. If you

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ever go there, there's like riverbeds and just

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a lot of open fields to at least now before I

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think it was more fields and like a bunch of

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surrounding areas. So, yeah, it's pretty cool,

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especially if you're going to make a movie like

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that. Yeah, that's like the perfect spot. The

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opening scene, of course, you know, this is like

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my term. I should trademark it, but sets the

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tone of the movie, basically, because the whole

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movie follows the one survivor of that opening

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massacre, who, of course, is Jorge Rivero. And

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it follows him and his struggle to bring awareness

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and kind of infiltrate the corruption between,

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you know, the authorities and politicians and

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people that are allowing, you know, illegal immigrants

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in to basically use them as slave laborers and,

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you know, not to pay them for shit or whatnot.

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But there's an interesting discussion because

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the chief Harris, he purposely allows a reporter.

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uh who i think his name was alfonso bringas yeah

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to basically come to the scene of this massacre

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to prove that these are bad people and of course

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you know the reporter alfonso he's like you know

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he's the only person that's willing to go on

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record and and call out this corruption yeah

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and he's like a chicano too so he's like you

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know very like you know into that he's like no

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you know you guys are just trying to make us

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look right you know look bad make these people

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Look bad. Yeah, he's very vocal about the corruption.

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This is Harris. Send me those newspaper men,

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including that Mexican bastard. I'll meet him

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and show him the way. Yes, sir. All right. Let's

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be fair, gentlemen. Que viene especializándose

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en acusarme de proteger el contrabando ilegal

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de braceros y de la corrupción. Hablemos en español.

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Todos lo entendemos. Yo nací en este país y hablo

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el inglés igual o mejor que usted. Son ambas

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cosas. Braceros y contrabandistas. Vengan. Quiero

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mostrarles algo. Are you sure they're smugglers

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and not wetbacks? Marijuana. ¿Cómo iba a evitarlo?

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Si cuando les ordené que regresaran a su territorio,

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abrieron fuego contra nosotros. Usted lo planeó

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todo para justificar este asqueroso crimen. Calma,

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señores. Aquí lo importante es aclarar los hechos.

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You said there were ten smugglers and only nine

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corpses. Nine or ten, who cares? If one managed

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to escape, we'll find him. I don't doubt it.

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Especially when he could be a witness in charge.

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A witness who would prove that you are a coward.

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A miserable murderer. You Mexican greaser. Now,

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wait a minute, wait a minute. Hold it, hold it.

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I'm going to say it in Spanish. I think the gentleman

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is right. You are a murderer. to basically bring

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them all down. Yeah. He wants to, and that was

00:17:37.940 --> 00:17:39.740
the thing too. He wants to get revenge for, you

00:17:39.740 --> 00:17:41.420
know, having those people killed. That was another

00:17:41.420 --> 00:17:43.900
thing too. It wasn't just like, oh, you know,

00:17:43.900 --> 00:17:45.759
to get these people, you know, in trouble, you

00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:47.920
know, but it was also for revenge on his end.

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And there's a lot of things in it too, because

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there's like, there's. There are sheriffs in

00:17:53.789 --> 00:17:55.269
there, or I guess agents, I don't really know

00:17:55.269 --> 00:17:57.349
what they are, that are like, paisa as fuck,

00:17:57.369 --> 00:17:59.289
too, because they speak with terrible English

00:17:59.289 --> 00:18:01.069
accents. Well, that's one I should point out,

00:18:01.130 --> 00:18:03.390
that some of the dialogue in this movie is in

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English. The majority of it is in Spanish, but

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I'd say it's like a 70 -30 split of Spanish and

00:18:09.509 --> 00:18:12.549
English. So for those who don't speak Spanish

00:18:12.549 --> 00:18:16.150
can kind of follow along the movie without subtitles.

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I think it plays into... just kind of how your

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own it's it's uh the old saying right like skinfolk

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and kinfolk basically you know you know the only

00:18:29.099 --> 00:18:32.460
people that hate mexicans more are other mexicans

00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:35.460
yeah and you can see it in this movie and display

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because you have the agents that are obviously

00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.380
yeah they're all immigrants i mean obviously

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they're actors themselves but you know the characters

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are speaking with terrible accents they don't

00:18:45.059 --> 00:18:46.980
uh they obviously don't speak english that well

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there's a scene where like a local member of

00:18:51.309 --> 00:18:54.430
the community, sees Jorge Rivero, who has gone

00:18:54.430 --> 00:18:58.069
under a truck to escape, and sees him and goes

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to a little diner that they're in and basically

00:19:00.990 --> 00:19:04.130
narcs him out to the sheriffs that are in there.

00:19:04.329 --> 00:19:07.890
That leads to this whole -ass fight where Jorge

00:19:07.890 --> 00:19:10.970
Rivero beats the shit out of one of the leading

00:19:10.970 --> 00:19:14.450
agents for Chief Harris. Have you seen any wetback?

00:19:15.569 --> 00:19:57.170
No, señor. ¿Qué carga traes? Open the back. Okay,

00:19:59.049 --> 00:20:04.509
you can go. It's kind of a pivotal scene, I think.

00:20:05.549 --> 00:20:09.190
Because again, it shows that not everybody in

00:20:09.190 --> 00:20:11.630
your community is going to like you. Not everyone

00:20:11.630 --> 00:20:13.470
in your community is out for your best interests.

00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:17.440
And you see it today, man. How many Latinos for

00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.940
Trump type fools are out here calling immigration

00:20:19.940 --> 00:20:22.680
on their own family? The ICE agents that we're

00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:28.619
seeing. They're clearly Chicanos. Yeah. Like

00:20:28.619 --> 00:20:29.960
I said, it's something of the past that you're

00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:32.220
seeing now. It's like, oh, nothing's really changed.

00:20:32.339 --> 00:20:35.259
It's still relevant, which is why I think this

00:20:35.259 --> 00:20:37.759
movie is kind of important. People online were

00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:39.759
kind of bashing this movie, kind of saying that

00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:43.740
it was boring and slow, but I personally loved

00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:46.400
it. I think it's kind of a... Yeah, I think what

00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.339
it is is people were expecting it to be this

00:20:48.339 --> 00:20:52.650
action -packed movie. With a lot of violence

00:20:52.650 --> 00:20:55.029
or something. But no, this one was more serious,

00:20:55.029 --> 00:20:57.109
if anything. This was an actual movie trying

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to portray what was going on there. There's even

00:21:00.490 --> 00:21:04.670
a scene between a senator whose name was William

00:21:04.670 --> 00:21:08.069
Benson. And I guess he was in cahoots with the

00:21:08.069 --> 00:21:12.950
leader of the farmers that were using illegal

00:21:12.950 --> 00:21:19.190
aliens for work. And that scene, of course, was

00:21:19.190 --> 00:21:23.349
also shot in Rogelio's actual house. Yeah. Everything

00:21:23.349 --> 00:21:26.069
was in the house or like their friends that they

00:21:26.069 --> 00:21:29.230
had over there. But it's just like, I don't know,

00:21:29.230 --> 00:21:31.950
man. It's it's watching this movie was kind of

00:21:31.950 --> 00:21:34.230
infuriating at the same time because, again,

00:21:34.349 --> 00:21:37.400
it's like it's. While this movie was made in

00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.019
79, here we are almost 50 years later, and it's

00:21:41.019 --> 00:21:44.559
the same shit that's happening now. There was

00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:47.960
also a politician in this movie who anglicized

00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:51.160
his own name. He was a quote -unquote mojado,

00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:56.180
but he anglicized his name from Pedro Rios to

00:21:56.180 --> 00:22:00.759
Peter Rivers to kind of fit in to the local,

00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:07.220
I guess, white community. um, you know, disguise

00:22:07.220 --> 00:22:09.700
himself and, and kind of be, he was kind of like

00:22:09.700 --> 00:22:11.960
a, like a, like a Ted Cruz type of fool, you

00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:14.420
know, like change your name. Yeah. Kind of, you

00:22:14.420 --> 00:22:16.839
know, fit in and not to bat. I know, I know,

00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:18.900
uh, we got, you know, some homies that are from

00:22:18.900 --> 00:22:21.359
Texas and not to bash Texas as a whole, but Texas

00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:24.210
got some fucked up shit going on. And Ted Cruz

00:22:24.210 --> 00:22:26.130
is just a part of that. I'm, you know, it is

00:22:26.130 --> 00:22:27.750
what it is. You know, you'll find Texans that'll

00:22:27.750 --> 00:22:30.009
say that too. So yeah, no, yeah, for sure. Especially

00:22:30.009 --> 00:22:33.589
from the Rio Grande Valley. Yeah. So, I mean,

00:22:33.589 --> 00:22:36.230
again, I, I hate to say the same thing and regurgitate

00:22:36.230 --> 00:22:38.349
this, you know, the same, you know, information

00:22:38.349 --> 00:22:41.329
points, but it's, it's a reality that's still

00:22:41.329 --> 00:22:45.109
going on today, 50 years later. And, um, I, I

00:22:45.109 --> 00:22:47.349
do think that this movie is, is quite important,

00:22:47.569 --> 00:22:50.170
but, um, I thought that was interesting seeing

00:22:50.170 --> 00:22:53.240
that, um, Because it does happen today, still.

00:22:55.299 --> 00:22:59.319
There's even... There's even scenes where...

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I don't know if it was a flashback. I don't know

00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:03.759
if you remember, but there's a scene where Jorge

00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:05.920
Rivera's character is walking out of some kind

00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:09.200
of building. And there's a bunch of, obviously,

00:23:09.339 --> 00:23:11.539
Latinos that are outside this fence that were

00:23:11.539 --> 00:23:13.440
talking shit to him. Like, go back to your country.

00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:19.640
Oh, yeah. And there's, you know... uh a lady

00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:21.900
there named judy who i guess is his girlfriend

00:23:21.900 --> 00:23:24.000
she was played it was played by maria fernanda

00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:27.720
um and she's the only one that's really sticking

00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:30.059
up for you know these immigrants that were just

00:23:30.059 --> 00:23:35.339
trying to find work um i don't know i mean i

00:23:35.339 --> 00:23:37.599
i hate to be the broken record man it's just

00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:40.220
this is why this movie is still kind of vital

00:23:40.220 --> 00:23:42.779
but there's seen there's pivotal scenes like

00:23:42.779 --> 00:23:45.220
that because it does show you that again that

00:23:45.220 --> 00:23:51.099
the community is not always for you so And I

00:23:51.099 --> 00:23:53.220
don't mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know

00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:56.799
how much else to go into it because there's...

00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.680
It pretty much just follows like, yeah, he infiltrates

00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.400
and then, you know, just when you think things

00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:05.319
are going to be better, they don't get better.

00:24:05.980 --> 00:24:08.099
Yeah, well, because I guess he finally realized

00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:10.359
it. I guess there was like the local, there's

00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:13.000
like a local news report by, I don't know, I

00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:14.799
don't remember if it was Alfonso Bringas, but

00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:19.700
there was a local news report. about the corruption

00:24:19.700 --> 00:24:22.660
because jorge rivera or rivero sorry doesn't

00:24:22.660 --> 00:24:25.819
really know uh i mean he knows what's going on

00:24:25.819 --> 00:24:27.119
but he doesn't know that it's like a widespread

00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:30.500
thing so he when he sees it on the news and this

00:24:30.500 --> 00:24:34.339
fool is asking for help for anybody to to corroborate

00:24:34.339 --> 00:24:36.839
his theory or his stories on this corruption

00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:39.079
he decides you know what fucking i'm gonna i'm

00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:42.200
gonna risk my life i'm gonna infiltrate this

00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:45.380
uh uh these group of of men that are you know

00:24:46.220 --> 00:24:51.440
um i guess taking advantage of us and you know

00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:56.019
he joins the the workers the braceros goes into

00:24:56.019 --> 00:25:00.359
the farm system and he uses his time there to

00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:05.180
to basically confirm alfonso's theories of with

00:25:05.180 --> 00:25:08.240
names and people that are involved in the store

00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:10.440
because of course the community knows about it

00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:13.339
but they don't want to do shit alfonso the alfonso

00:25:13.339 --> 00:25:16.279
knows about it But he can prove it. He's got

00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:19.460
the support of, I don't know if he was a DA or

00:25:19.460 --> 00:25:21.460
if that was like his boss. I think it was a DA,

00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:25.579
like a prosecutor. Yeah, the prosecutor. He has

00:25:25.579 --> 00:25:27.880
his support, but again, all he needs is the proof.

00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:31.119
So in the last, I'd say like 30 minutes of this

00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:35.019
movie, Juan, who is Jorge Rivero's character,

00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:40.299
joins these workers. basically pretends to be

00:25:40.299 --> 00:25:43.220
against the workers and kind of beats up the

00:25:43.220 --> 00:25:46.559
workers that are trying to revolt and get more

00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:50.480
money, more pay, and better living conditions.

00:25:51.380 --> 00:25:57.000
And he finally gets the confirmation and gets

00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:01.140
invited to Richard Harris' house, who is, once

00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:04.460
again, he's the ringleader of the killing in

00:26:04.460 --> 00:26:07.069
the beginning scene. And that's where he gets

00:26:07.069 --> 00:26:10.009
noticed by the cop that he beat up earlier in

00:26:10.009 --> 00:26:14.829
the movie. And so now he's on the run. And he

00:26:14.829 --> 00:26:17.289
has to escape. And he goes back to Judy's house.

00:26:18.230 --> 00:26:22.960
And it leads to this huge shootout. Yeah, I remember

00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.400
that. I was like, oh, wow. Yeah. Typical action

00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.000
movie, right? They have revolvers that only hold

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.319
six rounds, but they're shooting like 50 ,000

00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:34.640
rounds, of course, without ever changing a bullet

00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:39.420
or the casings, whatever. And it turns out that

00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:41.759
there was a double cross in the team. There was

00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.240
an infiltrator in the agents. One of the agents

00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.359
ends up turning against... his own people and

00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:52.339
you think he's breaking into Judy's house to

00:26:52.339 --> 00:26:56.359
kill Juan and Judy but it turns out that he was

00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:01.670
part of the i guess i don't know what the term

00:27:01.670 --> 00:27:03.490
i'm looking for he was part of i guess like a

00:27:03.490 --> 00:27:05.829
you know he was just one of them trying to help

00:27:05.829 --> 00:27:09.769
yeah yeah like he was he was also there to infiltrate

00:27:09.769 --> 00:27:13.569
and get information and confirmation that you

00:27:13.569 --> 00:27:16.250
know richard harris was a part of it that the

00:27:16.250 --> 00:27:18.509
senator was a part of it and that this other

00:27:18.509 --> 00:27:21.670
guy donald uh briar or whatever was was a part

00:27:21.670 --> 00:27:25.160
of it as well yeah And funny enough, that guy

00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.599
was played by the producer, David Agra Sanchez.

00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:31.680
Yeah, that's one of the sons there. So, again,

00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:35.299
it's a family affair, like we've been saying.

00:27:35.660 --> 00:27:38.819
So a little bit of a spoiler, but this does not

00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:41.180
have a happy ending. Yeah, that was the thing.

00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.119
It's like, you think it's going to be okay, and

00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:44.660
I'm like, okay, hey, you know, they're going

00:27:44.660 --> 00:27:45.920
to get their proof. They're going to be able

00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:47.740
to get these people prosecuted and blah, blah,

00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:50.420
blah. And it doesn't end like that, unfortunately.

00:27:51.619 --> 00:27:55.930
Yeah, they end up. So once the agent basically

00:27:55.930 --> 00:27:59.450
double crosses the other agents, you know, you

00:27:59.450 --> 00:28:01.269
think it's all happy. They arrest some of them.

00:28:01.289 --> 00:28:03.509
All right, we're going to take them in for questioning

00:28:03.509 --> 00:28:06.509
and stuff like that. Meet us over here at the

00:28:06.509 --> 00:28:09.609
prosecutor's office. And then remember Rivero's

00:28:09.609 --> 00:28:11.529
character. He was going to go back to Mexico

00:28:11.529 --> 00:28:13.410
with his girlfriend, remember? Yeah, that was

00:28:13.410 --> 00:28:16.309
the plan. She was already packing her. He had

00:28:16.309 --> 00:28:19.470
told her to pack the bags. I'll meet you after

00:28:19.470 --> 00:28:23.109
I give a statement. And we'll head back to Mexico

00:28:23.109 --> 00:28:25.410
and live a happy life. Get away from all this

00:28:25.410 --> 00:28:29.759
madness. And unfortunately... It does not work

00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.579
that way. He's in the car. Somehow there's like

00:28:32.579 --> 00:28:36.099
a shooter, like a sniper guy that's waiting for

00:28:36.099 --> 00:28:40.160
them to basically ambush them on the road. Shoots

00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.660
out the tires. They crash. And they both die.

00:28:43.940 --> 00:28:46.400
Yeah. And that's it. That's the end of the movie.

00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:48.099
Literally the end of the movie. I'm just like,

00:28:48.140 --> 00:28:50.339
fuck. I can't even imagine. Imagine going to

00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:52.849
see that in the theater. Just like, damn. you

00:28:52.849 --> 00:28:57.269
know i i i i'm actually glad that it was this

00:28:57.269 --> 00:28:58.750
type of ending because there's nothing worse

00:28:58.750 --> 00:29:00.730
than one of these like bullshit ass movie where

00:29:00.730 --> 00:29:03.950
it's like a heavy movie heavy on the drama you

00:29:03.950 --> 00:29:06.589
know you see these harsh realities and then oh

00:29:06.589 --> 00:29:08.589
by the way everything's happening you know good

00:29:08.589 --> 00:29:11.130
and and and and well you know this this person

00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:13.869
was able to escape and live a happy life because

00:29:13.869 --> 00:29:16.809
it doesn't always work out that way um it's not

00:29:16.809 --> 00:29:21.319
always you know um It's not always a happy ending.

00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.200
The stories don't always have to have closure.

00:29:24.940 --> 00:29:28.640
Sometimes real life happens and people's hatred

00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.220
get in the way and you don't get to live out

00:29:31.220 --> 00:29:35.500
what you expected to. Yeah, that's true. So yeah,

00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:38.960
it's a bummer of a watch, but it's still a very

00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:40.779
interesting watch, especially with the social

00:29:40.779 --> 00:29:43.339
issues and everything going on. And I feel like

00:29:43.339 --> 00:29:45.420
there's not a lot of movies out there that really

00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:47.200
portray this stuff. At least people that don't

00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.519
know of, you know. I feel like people are just

00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:51.720
more trapped with the same old movies over and

00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.359
over. Like El Norte, for example. I mean, don't

00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.480
get me wrong. I don't hate El Norte. That's actually

00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:56.220
a really fucking good movie. No, it's a great

00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:57.980
movie. Yeah, great movie. But I feel like there's

00:29:57.980 --> 00:30:00.680
still more before that and even after that, you

00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:02.420
know. So there's, you know, there's more. And

00:30:02.420 --> 00:30:04.980
then it just happens, you know, these were filmed

00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:07.519
during the 70s, you know, by Rogelio and the

00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:09.759
Galindos. So I always feel like people really

00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.799
need to check these out, you know. There's quite

00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.119
a few of these type of Bracero movies and like

00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.289
Fronteriza movies. Yeah. well the one that he

00:30:17.289 --> 00:30:19.369
did after mojados which is called las braseras

00:30:19.369 --> 00:30:20.930
that one's probably the one that everyone will

00:30:20.930 --> 00:30:22.970
probably enjoy more because that one's more exploitive

00:30:22.970 --> 00:30:25.930
that one has more sex in it more violence so

00:30:25.930 --> 00:30:29.230
whatever people saw lacked in mojados they can

00:30:29.230 --> 00:30:35.089
just watch yeah exactly um yeah i mean there's

00:30:35.089 --> 00:30:37.269
even when when i was trying to research this

00:30:37.269 --> 00:30:41.599
there's uh There's little to no information on

00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.400
this movie. I went through pages and pages and

00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.819
pages of shit online. No one's really talking

00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:50.519
about it. To the point where no one even bothers

00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:54.420
to list the cast and who they play in this movie

00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:58.880
or anything like that. But, yeah, like you said,

00:30:58.900 --> 00:31:01.460
you find a lot of information about Braceros.

00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:04.779
Oh, yeah, Braceros, yeah. I love that poster,

00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:06.500
too. I've been after that poster, by the way,

00:31:06.500 --> 00:31:08.920
Braceros. So it's, like, two Border Patrol agents

00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:10.619
with the girl, and the girl's wearing, like,

00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:12.799
her bikini. No, not a bikini, like, her bra and

00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.200
panties, and they're in the river. I mean, it's

00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:17.619
the most exploitive thing ever. So this is a

00:31:17.619 --> 00:31:19.519
perfect example of what my exploitation is, see?

00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:22.900
From the last time I mentioned. This is true

00:31:22.900 --> 00:31:26.440
exploitation. Perfect. Mojados isn't exploitation.

00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.960
It's more of, yeah, I think it's a serious drama.

00:31:29.259 --> 00:31:31.460
Oh, yeah. I didn't really find it very exploitive,

00:31:31.460 --> 00:31:34.740
if anything. No, and it's actually pretty fast

00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:36.700
-paced. I mean, the movie, it's only like an

00:31:36.700 --> 00:31:39.640
hour, 22 minutes or something like that. Yeah.

00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.980
So, I mean, things happen and they happen pretty

00:31:42.980 --> 00:31:46.819
fucking quickly. You know, maybe to its own fault,

00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:49.200
I guess it doesn't allow certain aspects of the

00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.680
movie to kind of breathe and, you know, develop.

00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.920
But overall, I don't think this movie really

00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:01.019
needs all that. In the short run time, I mean,

00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:03.000
you get a lot of story. Yeah, it just gets to

00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.440
the point. Exactly, yeah. I mean, you see what

00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.160
happens. They show up at the border. They get

00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.859
murdered. An investigation follows. We learn

00:32:11.859 --> 00:32:14.579
that all these people are corrupt and fucked

00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:18.319
up. They infiltrate the group, get what they

00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:20.480
need, all the information to prosecute, and then

00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:25.019
boom, finale. That's a good watch. You watched

00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:27.740
it on YouTube, right? I did, yeah. There's actually

00:32:27.740 --> 00:32:29.920
a really good copy on YouTube. Yeah, there's

00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:33.740
a copy on YouTube. Yeah, again, it's like a 70

00:32:33.740 --> 00:32:37.440
-30 split of Spanish to English dialogue, so

00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:41.400
you won't have any problems understanding the

00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.960
story of this movie. There's even a point in

00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.940
the movie where Chief Harris is like, well, we're

00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:50.660
going to talk in Spanish so that... Oh, yeah.

00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:54.640
Just so you know and it's clear that you know

00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.099
what I'm saying. Yeah. Richard Harris, they keep

00:32:58.099 --> 00:32:59.420
saying it. They say it's so funny. They're like,

00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:02.730
Richard Harris? richard harris and they say the

00:33:02.730 --> 00:33:04.769
name a lot too it's like oh my god yeah they

00:33:04.769 --> 00:33:07.009
really they really hammer it to you that this

00:33:07.009 --> 00:33:09.869
richard harris guy is a complete asshole and

00:33:09.869 --> 00:33:12.190
he and he you know and he is yeah he's a piece

00:33:12.190 --> 00:33:13.710
of shit he's a piece of shit yeah but it's just

00:33:13.710 --> 00:33:16.269
funny throughout the whole richard harris richard

00:33:16.269 --> 00:33:18.450
harris like oh my god like okay i think we know

00:33:18.450 --> 00:33:22.690
who he is now It's funny because they mention

00:33:22.690 --> 00:33:26.329
him more than they do, like, the senator. Yeah,

00:33:26.349 --> 00:33:29.930
exactly. And the ringleader, Donald Byard or

00:33:29.930 --> 00:33:33.470
Briar, some shit like that. Who are, like, the

00:33:33.470 --> 00:33:36.390
masterminds of this whole operation. And they

00:33:36.390 --> 00:33:37.970
hardly get mentioned. I mean, they're only in

00:33:37.970 --> 00:33:41.829
one scene. I think Donald is in the... Actually,

00:33:41.890 --> 00:33:44.470
in two scenes. He's in the opening scene that

00:33:44.470 --> 00:33:46.650
I spoke about and then the final scene at this

00:33:46.650 --> 00:33:49.569
party that they're giving where Jorge Rivero's

00:33:49.569 --> 00:33:53.529
character gets outed as the survivor of the massacre.

00:33:53.789 --> 00:33:56.670
And that's it, really. The whole story follows

00:33:56.670 --> 00:34:01.309
Juan and what he goes through to basically...

00:34:02.730 --> 00:34:06.690
i guess uh you know go for his his arc of vindication

00:34:06.690 --> 00:34:10.090
you know basically uh trying to tell the world

00:34:10.090 --> 00:34:12.969
that immigrants aren't bad people you know that

00:34:12.969 --> 00:34:15.829
these especially these group of 10 men that try

00:34:15.829 --> 00:34:17.929
to cross the border you know they weren't drug

00:34:17.929 --> 00:34:20.530
addicts they weren't narcos they weren't criminals

00:34:20.530 --> 00:34:22.409
they weren't there to kill anybody it was just

00:34:22.409 --> 00:34:25.250
strictly to work and make money and have a better

00:34:25.250 --> 00:34:29.289
future and this plays really well with the second

00:34:29.289 --> 00:34:34.420
story um Because this movie also has a complete

00:34:34.420 --> 00:34:37.719
downer of an ending. And I'll let Armando take

00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:42.179
it over for this one. Yeah, so like almost a

00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:44.519
decade later, we got a movie called El Vagon

00:34:44.519 --> 00:35:29.150
de la Muerte. Y como les digo, se sacaron la

00:35:29.150 --> 00:35:32.449
lotería al encontrarse conmigo. Se pueden considerar

00:35:32.449 --> 00:35:35.929
desde este momento en los Estados Unidos de Norteamérica.

00:35:36.250 --> 00:35:39.949
¿Tan seguro está? Claro, si no son los primeros

00:35:39.949 --> 00:35:44.829
quemando al otro lado. Y la mayoría, cuando regresan

00:35:44.829 --> 00:35:47.369
cargados de dólares, me buscan para darme mis

00:35:47.369 --> 00:35:50.070
albricias por lo bien que les fue. O sea que

00:35:50.070 --> 00:35:52.849
no vamos a tener problemas para llegar. Ninguno.

00:35:53.050 --> 00:35:55.570
¿Y cómo vamos a saber cuando lleguemos allá?

00:35:56.230 --> 00:35:59.289
Muy fácil. Muy fácil. En cuanto suban al vagón,

00:35:59.349 --> 00:36:03.570
dénse por llegados. Ahí lo tienen. Yo ya cumplí

00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:07.409
con mi parte. Ahora les toca a ustedes cumplir

00:36:07.409 --> 00:36:13.429
con la suya. Aquí tiene lo prometido. Es lo de

00:36:13.429 --> 00:36:16.010
los cuatro como quedamos. Si quiere contarlos,

00:36:16.030 --> 00:36:22.329
por favor. Perfecto. Así me gustan los tratos.

00:36:23.329 --> 00:36:46.280
Pues no tienen más que subir a bordo. They filmed

00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.860
it in 87, literally probably after the real tragedy

00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:52.199
that occurred. So, El Vagon de la Muerte is based

00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:56.400
on a tragedy that happened in 1987. in Sierra

00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:00.320
Blanca, Texas. Let me read the excerpt from the

00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:03.480
LA Times article. 18 suspected illegal aliens

00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.500
trapped in a locked steel -walled boxcar were

00:37:06.500 --> 00:37:10.480
found dead in stiffing 120 degree temperatures

00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.159
Thursday in what authorities called a botched

00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:17.019
smuggling effort. One man survived the 14 -hour

00:37:17.019 --> 00:37:19.239
ordeal by using a spike to punch a hole through

00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.420
the floor and breathing through opening Said

00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:24.719
Mike Williams, a spokesman for the U .S. Border

00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.780
Patrol in El Paso. So, yeah, so Vagón de la Muerte,

00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:31.420
it's based on that. Vagón de la Muerte is about

00:37:31.420 --> 00:37:34.619
a group of people. It's the main guys played

00:37:34.619 --> 00:37:37.679
by Juan Valentín and his two kids. And then these

00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.440
three other guys, or four other guys, that is.

00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.659
They're in the boxcar. They're going to get transferred

00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:46.019
out to the United States from Mexico. And it

00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:47.699
seems like it'll be like a sitch. It's like,

00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:49.980
okay, we get in this cart. We're going to head

00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:52.159
there in no time, you know. We just have to,

00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.480
you know, relax and sit down for a while. And

00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:56.980
when they're in the box cart, it seems okay.

00:37:57.099 --> 00:37:59.719
But then, yeah, a lot of shit happens in there.

00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.000
We got Juan Valentin's character. I mean, Juan

00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.440
Valentin's son, who just happens that he got

00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.539
a dog bite before they got in. So he's... leg

00:38:10.539 --> 00:38:12.500
is all fucked up and it just turns out he's getting

00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:14.219
rabies you know so he's starting to feel the

00:38:14.219 --> 00:38:16.719
effects of the rabies i think it's important

00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.480
to to point out that the dog's name was feudalice

00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.960
yeah you're just like wait what like what's going

00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:25.639
on because the kids like remember they show his

00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.519
leg like oh feudalize um he was i was playing

00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.570
with him and he bit me And, yeah, they show his

00:38:31.570 --> 00:38:33.610
leg, and it's, you know, all bloody, and then

00:38:33.610 --> 00:38:35.610
you're just like, oh, no. That scene's actually

00:38:35.610 --> 00:38:37.730
pretty gruesome. Like, you know, they're, like,

00:38:37.769 --> 00:38:41.030
squeezing his wound, and it's, like, gross. Yeah,

00:38:41.090 --> 00:38:42.809
so they're trying to, like, you know, clean it

00:38:42.809 --> 00:38:44.289
up. They're like, okay, maybe if we just clean

00:38:44.289 --> 00:38:46.329
it up, you know, he'll be okay. And then there's

00:38:46.329 --> 00:38:48.150
a scene where they pour alcohol in it, right?

00:38:48.190 --> 00:38:50.449
And then he screams, and his scream is, like,

00:38:50.469 --> 00:38:52.650
really loud, and it's like, oh, shit, this is

00:38:52.650 --> 00:39:01.659
not going to be good. Carlos, is que me mordió

00:39:01.659 --> 00:39:06.039
la piri. ¿Y cuánto tiempo hace de eso? Pues no

00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.119
sé. ¿Cómo que no sabes? Pues fue hace algunos

00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:13.880
días. ¿Y por qué no me habías dicho nada? Tenía

00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.940
miedo de que te fueras en hogar con la piri.

00:39:17.860 --> 00:39:20.659
¿Qué pasó, compadre? ¿Qué tiene el muchacho?

00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:32.579
Mire nomás, compadre, lo mordió. ¿Cómo se atreve

00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:34.940
a traerlo en esas condiciones? Así no puede viajar.

00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:37.239
¿Qué no vio el doctor? Es que no me dijo nada.

00:39:38.099 --> 00:39:41.000
Lo primero que hay que hacer es lavar esto que

00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:45.000
está de la fregada. ¿Alguien trae un jabón? Yo

00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.739
traigo uno. Ah, y un poco de agua. Sí, también.

00:39:48.860 --> 00:39:54.380
Benditas mujeres. Habrá un poco de alcohol. Yo

00:39:54.380 --> 00:39:57.500
creo que es lo único que va a hacer falta. Pues

00:39:57.500 --> 00:39:59.159
ahora va a tener que decir benditos hombres.

00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:01.679
I don't have a bottle of cane. Well, throw it

00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:06.440
away. Give me some soup. We're going to have

00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.199
to disinfect this with a little cane. Throw it

00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:13.780
away. Come on, man. Throw it away. Throw it away.

00:40:45.610 --> 00:40:48.289
So after that, they're still in the car, and

00:40:48.289 --> 00:40:52.050
then it's starting to get hot in there. And then,

00:40:52.070 --> 00:40:54.309
of course, more drama. You start to realize some

00:40:54.309 --> 00:40:56.269
of these guys in the car aren't really good people.

00:40:56.590 --> 00:40:59.570
They're all really fucking shitty. They all have

00:40:59.570 --> 00:41:01.210
their own story of how they become villains.

00:41:01.329 --> 00:41:03.789
Like Noah Moriyama, he plays a guy that robbed

00:41:03.789 --> 00:41:07.309
his old job. He killed his boss, and he stole

00:41:07.309 --> 00:41:10.449
money from the company, so he's on the run. The

00:41:10.449 --> 00:41:12.769
other guy that's played by Alfredo Gutierrez,

00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:17.030
El Turco. He raped his niece. Yeah, he's a child

00:41:17.030 --> 00:41:19.389
molester. Yeah, he literally just assaulted his

00:41:19.389 --> 00:41:21.250
niece, like, brutally. Like, and there's a scene

00:41:21.250 --> 00:41:23.210
where they flash back to these guys, you know,

00:41:23.210 --> 00:41:26.170
committing their crimes. And then you're just

00:41:26.170 --> 00:41:27.550
like, oh, shit, you know, this isn't going to

00:41:27.550 --> 00:41:29.309
go well, especially with there's kids there and

00:41:29.309 --> 00:41:32.610
then these guys, you know. And then later on

00:41:32.610 --> 00:41:33.969
during the movie, that's when the kid starts

00:41:33.969 --> 00:41:36.050
to develop rabies. He's starting to get sick.

00:41:36.090 --> 00:41:38.550
He starts foaming in the mouth. It's just this

00:41:38.550 --> 00:41:41.050
really gruesome, yeah, it's a really bad, you

00:41:41.050 --> 00:41:43.030
know, it's just scary and just like, fuck, this

00:41:43.030 --> 00:41:45.159
is bad, you know. This is not going to end well

00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:46.960
at all. You just know it's not going to end well

00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:49.820
at all. It's kind of crazy because it starts

00:41:49.820 --> 00:41:54.940
off like a happy family. Well, I don't want to

00:41:54.940 --> 00:41:57.019
say happy family. They're a normal family because

00:41:57.019 --> 00:41:59.599
they got financial issues, it seems like. Yeah,

00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.300
typical Mexicans, the struggling in the rural

00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:04.360
areas, they're just like, oh, it's not going

00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:06.179
well here in the farm. We're going to have to

00:42:06.179 --> 00:42:11.449
cross. But then before that, Juan's wife. she

00:42:11.449 --> 00:42:13.250
dies remember she just all of a sudden gets a

00:42:13.250 --> 00:42:14.730
heart attack so you're just like oh they're at

00:42:14.730 --> 00:42:17.969
his wife is played by Ana Luisa Pelufo yeah so

00:42:17.969 --> 00:42:19.670
she's only in it for a little bit but she's in

00:42:19.670 --> 00:42:22.289
for one scene and yeah she they're are they're

00:42:22.289 --> 00:42:25.030
having an argument about because I guess I guess

00:42:25.030 --> 00:42:30.059
uh um Juan Valentin's character, Rafael, is already

00:42:30.059 --> 00:42:33.579
making the choice to get on this train to go

00:42:33.579 --> 00:42:36.059
to the U .S. with, I don't know, was it his cousin?

00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.460
It was his friend. Yeah, his friend. And Annalisa

00:42:39.460 --> 00:42:41.980
Pelufo, his wife, in the movie, she's like, you

00:42:41.980 --> 00:42:44.119
know, you got a family here, fuck you. You know,

00:42:44.139 --> 00:42:45.880
they're getting all heated arguments and see

00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:48.340
what you're making my husband do. And she has

00:42:48.340 --> 00:42:49.500
a heart attack and just fucking croaks right

00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:50.800
there. Yeah, she just literally croaks right

00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.599
there. And they're just like, damn, okay. Carlitos

00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:55.780
no quiere comer. ¿Y quién va a querer comer con

00:42:55.780 --> 00:42:59.280
esta discusión? Y para que lo sepan, muy pronto

00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.139
me voy a ir a los Estados Unidos con mi compadre.

00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.880
¿Me entendiste, Micaela? Por favor, Rafael, no

00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.820
me hables así. Es cierto, no trates así a mi

00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:12.000
mamá. Perdona, mi hijita, pero es que no me gusta

00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.659
que se metan en mis cosas. Cálmense, compadre.

00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:19.360
No peleen. Lo siento, pero solo de pensar que

00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.500
te vas a ir tanto tiempo lejos de la casa...

00:43:46.659 --> 00:43:57.920
What's wrong with you? Of course, it gives him

00:43:57.920 --> 00:43:59.599
more of a reason to cross, like, all right, we're

00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:00.880
going to really need to just leave, you know.

00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:03.159
And then they're promising, you know, and he's

00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:04.760
promising his kids, like, yeah, you know, we're

00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:06.420
going to make a lot of money, you know, we're

00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:09.360
going to come back. The American dream. Yeah,

00:44:09.380 --> 00:44:11.219
and then, unfortunately, and then once you come

00:44:11.219 --> 00:44:12.800
back to what's going on, you're just like, yeah,

00:44:12.820 --> 00:44:14.280
this isn't going to end well at all for none

00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.179
of these people. And then the guys start fighting

00:44:17.179 --> 00:44:19.280
with Juan's character, you know, because of the

00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.960
rabies stuff. Like, it's just this whole thing

00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.900
in the card. You're just like, oh, wow, this

00:44:23.900 --> 00:44:25.480
isn't going to end well, and it does not end

00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.659
well. I want to say everyone dies there, basically.

00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:30.980
One way or another. I'm not going to say how,

00:44:31.099 --> 00:44:33.380
but they all do die one way or another. Whereas

00:44:33.380 --> 00:44:37.000
with only one survivor and the one survivor being

00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.480
little, she goes crazy. It's the daughter. She's

00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.239
the only survivor, yeah. And she's just... yeah

00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.320
she's out of it once they you know once we we

00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.820
see what happens so you're like yeah she's out

00:44:47.820 --> 00:44:50.199
of it now this is the most traumatizing thing

00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.000
that that could happen to such a you know to

00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.760
a child you know it's kind of gross too because

00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:58.019
in in so i mean to me this movie felt more like

00:44:58.019 --> 00:45:00.940
a stage play like if it felt because it really

00:45:00.940 --> 00:45:03.699
only takes place in the box in the box car yeah

00:45:03.699 --> 00:45:09.289
and um i i guess i mean maybe being you know

00:45:09.289 --> 00:45:12.030
confined like solitary confinement you know you're

00:45:12.030 --> 00:45:14.670
trapped in this this boxcar for who knows how

00:45:14.670 --> 00:45:16.849
long it kind of brought the worst out of everybody

00:45:16.849 --> 00:45:19.429
yeah and there's it starts to get hot in there

00:45:19.429 --> 00:45:22.119
too and then they're trying to get out they're

00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.239
like i know we need to try to get out so they're

00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:26.239
trying to struggle a way to get out the door's

00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:28.539
locked of course you know yeah they're trying

00:45:28.539 --> 00:45:30.619
to like hit the walls they're banging on the

00:45:30.619 --> 00:45:33.420
floor yeah they're trying to like they they have

00:45:33.420 --> 00:45:35.260
like a bottle if it's a bottle of tequila or

00:45:35.260 --> 00:45:38.500
whiskey or what oh yeah they're using that glass

00:45:38.500 --> 00:45:41.980
to to kind of uh the floor yeah like cut through

00:45:41.980 --> 00:45:44.239
the wood on the and the in the wagon so they

00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.159
can get out of it and then when the boy dies

00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.380
from rabies you know of course he starts to smell

00:45:48.380 --> 00:45:50.440
you know because of the you know the heat in

00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:51.980
there so it's even more so they're trying to

00:45:51.980 --> 00:45:55.260
like escape the smell but then they can so you

00:45:55.260 --> 00:45:57.239
feel all that that's going on there with them

00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:59.619
yeah there's a lot of tension in that box yeah

00:45:59.619 --> 00:46:00.860
there's a lot of tension and you're just like

00:46:00.860 --> 00:46:05.070
oh man this is a bummer movie And, yeah, it's

00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:07.650
a great one. I mean, it's just really intense.

00:46:07.889 --> 00:46:09.449
So if you're one of those people that gets uncomfortable,

00:46:09.750 --> 00:46:10.969
yeah, you're going to be really uncomfortable

00:46:10.969 --> 00:46:16.570
watching this. I think there's like, you know,

00:46:16.610 --> 00:46:19.530
like I said a little bit ago, there is kind of

00:46:19.530 --> 00:46:21.449
like a character arc for every single character

00:46:21.449 --> 00:46:23.690
in here because they start off good and they

00:46:23.690 --> 00:46:26.480
all turn out bad. You know, the friend that convinced

00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:30.340
Juan's character to go. Yeah, like it was a piece

00:46:30.340 --> 00:46:34.119
of shit. To me, he was more of a piece of shit

00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:37.159
because he knew him, for one. And two, he purposely

00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.860
took advantage of him. I think he convinced him

00:46:39.860 --> 00:46:42.860
to sell his house to him, who he then turned

00:46:42.860 --> 00:46:45.960
around and sold to a loan shark to get more money.

00:46:46.139 --> 00:46:49.559
Yeah. And basically used the money that he got

00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:54.019
from the house to pay for... his own cross yeah

00:46:54.019 --> 00:46:57.079
exactly uh and and then basically charged you

00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.940
know juan vanadine to to go so he was like a

00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:02.920
complete asshole took advantage of him uh and

00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.599
and allowed these these other two men in the

00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:11.179
in the car with them to um you know to basically

00:47:11.179 --> 00:47:13.000
be assholes to them. There's a scene where like

00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.300
the daughter has to go to the bathroom and they

00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:17.300
all get up and they all start turning. Yeah.

00:47:17.539 --> 00:47:19.360
Yeah. You start to realize like, okay, maybe

00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:20.800
these guys aren't good. Cause at first you're

00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:21.900
kind of like, eh, whatever. They're just there

00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:23.300
with them. But then, yeah, they start to show

00:47:23.300 --> 00:47:25.699
signs of like, oh, I don't know. Maybe you can't

00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:28.119
trust them. Yeah. They were, yeah, they were,

00:47:28.139 --> 00:47:30.420
the other two guys were, were fucking scumbags

00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:33.780
too. Um, yeah, I don't know, man, this movie

00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:35.840
was kind of a bummer. Yeah. It's a bummer. And

00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:37.340
it's funny. Cause I think I mentioned this in

00:47:37.340 --> 00:47:39.980
the punks show. Where I was, like, waiting at

00:47:39.980 --> 00:47:41.500
the Juan Valentin show. And then they saw me

00:47:41.500 --> 00:47:43.280
with, like, posters and stuff. Like, oh, you're

00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:44.619
going to have that stuff signed by Juan. Like,

00:47:44.699 --> 00:47:46.099
yeah. And then I showed them the Vagón de la

00:47:46.099 --> 00:47:48.619
Muerte, the window card. And they're like, oh,

00:47:48.820 --> 00:47:52.179
I remember that one. That one's so good. Was

00:47:52.179 --> 00:47:54.739
that... Do you think that, like... obviously

00:47:54.739 --> 00:47:56.840
then this movie was successful when it came out

00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:58.719
yeah because even when like because there's a

00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.360
copy on youtube and that has like a bunch of

00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:03.420
views like thousands and thousands of views in

00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:04.960
the comments when you read the comments i always

00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:06.900
read the comments on those movies and i'm like

00:48:06.900 --> 00:48:08.500
yeah i see a lot of people love this they're

00:48:08.500 --> 00:48:10.380
like oh yeah i remember seeing this and then

00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:12.059
at the show too and they were telling me like

00:48:12.059 --> 00:48:14.119
yeah i saw this when it first came out like yeah

00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:15.679
that's a really good one it's really sad but

00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:18.719
it's really good do you think this movie played

00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.920
on on tv as well like i mean i can't imagine

00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:23.099
that everyone went to go see this yeah it played

00:48:23.099 --> 00:48:25.659
on tv so i think what it was so this was around

00:48:25.659 --> 00:48:27.920
the time when echo mix i think yeah echo max

00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.460
was releasing this movie on tape so it was released

00:48:30.460 --> 00:48:33.179
in theaters and then like literally after the

00:48:33.179 --> 00:48:34.500
theaters that's when they put it on video over

00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:37.179
here in the states I have the big box somewhere,

00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.260
but yeah. Did it get a release theatrically here

00:48:39.260 --> 00:48:40.880
in the States? Yeah, it did. I would imagine

00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:43.079
in Texas. Yeah, yeah, like in 88 and 89. That's

00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:44.659
when it came out. In Mexico, it came out in 88,

00:48:44.659 --> 00:48:47.219
and I think 89 was when it came out in theaters

00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:53.380
and in video. So then, I guess, I mean, I don't

00:48:53.380 --> 00:48:55.559
know. I mean, maybe because it was Juan Valentin

00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:58.420
in there that all the theaters were excited about

00:48:58.420 --> 00:49:01.440
it. Yeah. I mean, it does kind of play like a

00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:04.179
novella. Like, it is kind of... dramatic it is

00:49:04.179 --> 00:49:06.360
very dramatic oh yeah very dramatic the train

00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.579
itself but i think it's just intense you're just

00:49:09.579 --> 00:49:11.739
like fuck so then you think back you're like

00:49:11.739 --> 00:49:13.179
yeah this is something that you'd probably see

00:49:13.179 --> 00:49:15.960
later on in like a rosa de guadalupe or something

00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.980
oh yeah so that's why so it's one of those that's

00:49:18.980 --> 00:49:20.739
rarely appealing to people that are into high

00:49:20.739 --> 00:49:27.909
dramas like that um yeah there was like um So,

00:49:27.929 --> 00:49:30.170
I mean, obviously it's based on a true story.

00:49:30.289 --> 00:49:32.809
The true story itself is actually kind of more

00:49:32.809 --> 00:49:34.530
gruesome than what happened to the movie. Because

00:49:34.530 --> 00:49:36.530
more people died, yeah, than just the few that

00:49:36.530 --> 00:49:39.670
were in the movie. And the article that you had

00:49:39.670 --> 00:49:41.230
sent me that I was reading about it was saying

00:49:41.230 --> 00:49:44.250
that, like, you know, people were so grossly

00:49:44.250 --> 00:49:48.449
deformed through, like, the heat. And I guess

00:49:48.449 --> 00:49:50.190
they were confined to, like, small space. Like,

00:49:50.190 --> 00:49:51.929
I guess they were, like, trapped under a truck

00:49:51.929 --> 00:49:56.289
bed or something. And I guess the only way people

00:49:56.289 --> 00:49:58.809
were identifiable was through their clothes because

00:49:58.809 --> 00:50:01.250
everything else was so mangled and I guess like

00:50:01.250 --> 00:50:05.690
deformed and inflated and shit like that. Yeah,

00:50:05.690 --> 00:50:07.710
it was pretty bad when I read that, yeah. But

00:50:07.710 --> 00:50:09.590
yeah, that's what it's based on. They made another

00:50:09.590 --> 00:50:12.170
movie too after it's called Pasaporte de la Muerte

00:50:12.170 --> 00:50:14.050
or Pasaporte de la Muerte. Oh shit, I gotta watch

00:50:14.050 --> 00:50:15.969
that. Yeah, that's another one that's based on

00:50:15.969 --> 00:50:18.030
that as well. But Vaguan's probably the one that

00:50:18.030 --> 00:50:20.610
exploits it the most just because it's not based

00:50:20.610 --> 00:50:22.469
on the real thing. Pasaporte tries to portray

00:50:22.469 --> 00:50:26.139
it as the real thing. So it's not as... I mean,

00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:28.880
it's still explained, but it still tries to portray

00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.659
it more accurately, if anything. But yeah. I

00:50:32.659 --> 00:50:36.340
gotta say, I think if you're doubling these two

00:50:36.340 --> 00:50:38.900
movies, you're in for one hell of a fucking night.

00:50:39.139 --> 00:50:43.739
Because it is pretty dramatic, pretty intense,

00:50:43.860 --> 00:50:46.360
and like we said, both movies have very down

00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:51.099
endings where you hope that the good people have

00:50:51.099 --> 00:50:54.389
a good ending, but... No, unfortunately, they

00:50:54.389 --> 00:50:58.769
don't. Yeah, exactly. And I don't, you know,

00:50:58.829 --> 00:51:01.530
some people like that, some people don't. I do.

00:51:01.650 --> 00:51:06.530
I thought when you added Vagón de la Muerte as,

00:51:06.630 --> 00:51:09.989
like, the second pick in conjunction to the Mojados,

00:51:10.070 --> 00:51:12.489
I was kind of excited because I know you had

00:51:12.489 --> 00:51:15.670
talked about Vagón a lot, and I think it lived

00:51:15.670 --> 00:51:17.570
up to the expectation that you gave it for me.

00:51:17.769 --> 00:51:19.949
Yeah, and then, of course, this is directed by

00:51:19.949 --> 00:51:23.699
Fernando Duran Rojas. And he's made a lot of

00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:25.559
movies. Like if you look up his filmography,

00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:29.639
like 158 credits to his name. Hot Snake being

00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.139
one of the main ones that I think people will

00:51:31.139 --> 00:51:34.960
know of the Western. Yeah, Vinegar Potato, right?

00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.400
Yeah, Vibra Caliente, Hot Snake. And then if

00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.119
you look at his filmography, yeah, he was already

00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.079
familiar with like making these kind of movies

00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:44.539
like Border Stuff and then Action Crime, a lot

00:51:44.539 --> 00:51:47.400
of horror movies. So he's a really good director.

00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:49.969
And in this one, he does a lot right here. He

00:51:49.969 --> 00:51:53.610
portrays your criminal element, your drama element,

00:51:53.909 --> 00:51:57.389
and then just everything else, you know, like,

00:51:57.449 --> 00:51:59.269
you know, the exploitive stuff and so forth.

00:51:59.369 --> 00:52:01.190
But, yeah, he's a good director, and this is

00:52:01.190 --> 00:52:02.869
probably one of his best movies, I think, too.

00:52:04.329 --> 00:52:06.510
And then this was produced by Ulysses Piagire,

00:52:06.670 --> 00:52:10.530
who did the punks movies. Yeah. He had to make

00:52:10.530 --> 00:52:13.170
these movies intense. I can already just imagine

00:52:13.170 --> 00:52:15.530
him being like, you got to make this more hard.

00:52:15.550 --> 00:52:17.469
You got to make this more intense. You got to

00:52:17.469 --> 00:52:19.280
scream, by the way. and then that's the thing

00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.860
too so the kids the two kids they were played

00:52:21.860 --> 00:52:25.539
by uh ulysses's kids so andrea and ulysses jr

00:52:25.539 --> 00:52:27.920
so those are his real kids the producer's kids

00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:31.599
as as we keep saying everyone yeah mexican movies

00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:36.019
are a family affair yeah it's so funny but uh

00:52:36.019 --> 00:52:38.900
yeah like i said this one was yeah a good one

00:52:38.900 --> 00:52:41.199
i would honestly love to see this on a blu -ray

00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.179
like this is like a dream for me i need to make

00:52:43.179 --> 00:52:44.760
a blu -ray wish list but this would be one of

00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:48.349
them for sure i think I think people would maybe

00:52:48.349 --> 00:52:50.409
overlook it, but I think if they do give it a

00:52:50.409 --> 00:52:51.730
watch, they're going to be like, well, this was

00:52:51.730 --> 00:52:53.829
really good. This was really dramatic, too. I

00:52:53.829 --> 00:52:56.050
actually really dig this. Well, it's not a slasher,

00:52:56.050 --> 00:52:59.250
so I don't think people really care too much,

00:52:59.289 --> 00:53:01.690
unfortunately. Yeah, but I think it's still a

00:53:01.690 --> 00:53:03.949
good one. It's still brutal enough. If you like

00:53:03.949 --> 00:53:06.789
punks and you want to look more into the filmography

00:53:06.789 --> 00:53:08.989
of the same people that made that movie, yeah,

00:53:09.090 --> 00:53:12.090
I think you'll enjoy Vagoon. I think, I mean,

00:53:12.369 --> 00:53:15.070
look. Everyone's tastes are different, but I

00:53:15.070 --> 00:53:17.190
do think that both of these movies have something

00:53:17.190 --> 00:53:20.289
for everybody. I would love to see both of these

00:53:20.289 --> 00:53:24.349
restored on a Blu -ray, actually. Oh, yeah. Even

00:53:24.349 --> 00:53:28.449
4K, honestly, because I think it would... Because

00:53:28.449 --> 00:53:31.349
especially in early Mojado scenes, it's really

00:53:31.349 --> 00:53:32.909
dark, so you don't really see a lot of shit.

00:53:32.949 --> 00:53:35.090
So there's a lot of things that can get cleaned

00:53:35.090 --> 00:53:38.269
up. make it look a little better. The sound,

00:53:38.289 --> 00:53:40.170
obviously, you know, would get restored as well

00:53:40.170 --> 00:53:43.070
with it. Yeah. Really good soundtracks on both

00:53:43.070 --> 00:53:45.889
of these movies, actually. Oh, yeah. And when

00:53:45.889 --> 00:53:48.750
Va, Juan de la Muerte, Juan Valentin sings twice.

00:53:49.289 --> 00:53:52.510
Oh, yeah. Yeah, the first song was Cuando Llora

00:53:52.510 --> 00:53:54.130
Un Hombre, which I know is one of his most popular

00:53:54.130 --> 00:53:55.750
songs. I don't remember what the other one was.

00:53:55.949 --> 00:53:58.969
Yeah, I can't remember the second one either.

00:53:59.230 --> 00:54:01.030
Yeah, he's in the bar. And that's the funny part.

00:54:01.110 --> 00:54:03.230
It just starts off so mellow. They're just at

00:54:03.230 --> 00:54:05.090
the bar, and they're drinking, and then he's

00:54:05.090 --> 00:54:27.610
singing. Next thing you know, all this intense

00:54:27.610 --> 00:54:29.389
shit happens. You're just like, oh, that kind

00:54:29.389 --> 00:54:30.809
of throws me off right there. I thought it was

00:54:30.809 --> 00:54:33.469
going to be like a kind of a happy -go -lucky

00:54:33.469 --> 00:54:35.750
movie, but then maybe a little bit bitter. But

00:54:35.750 --> 00:54:38.090
then no, this was like happy -go -lucky and then

00:54:38.090 --> 00:54:40.449
bitter all the way through. There's actually

00:54:40.449 --> 00:54:43.710
a really cool, like, all -female group in Vagandera

00:54:43.710 --> 00:54:45.489
Market, too. Oh, yeah. What do they call those?

00:54:45.909 --> 00:54:50.429
Pocontrachis? Yeah, Pocontrachitas del Norte.

00:54:50.429 --> 00:54:52.530
Yeah, Pocontrachitas del Norte. Yeah, they make,

00:54:52.590 --> 00:54:54.090
like, a really rare appearance because they never

00:54:54.090 --> 00:54:55.730
really starred in movies, but they were pretty

00:54:55.730 --> 00:54:58.219
popular at the time. So that's pretty cool. And

00:54:58.219 --> 00:55:01.400
I did look I did look them up. And yes, the songs

00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:03.219
that they sing in this movie are available on

00:55:03.219 --> 00:55:06.679
vinyl. Yeah. Unofficial soundtrack for another

00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:09.440
Mexican movie. Yeah. You know, add it to the

00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:13.659
list. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I don't know how

00:55:13.659 --> 00:55:17.800
much people would be in a rush to see this movie

00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.800
or buy it if it came out on Blu -ray. I do think

00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:24.460
it's worth it. It's it's a good one. Like I said,

00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:27.210
if you like punks. and you want to see something

00:55:27.210 --> 00:55:29.429
else from the same people that made them yeah

00:55:29.429 --> 00:55:31.690
you gotta see this one that's the thing i feel

00:55:31.690 --> 00:55:33.469
like the last couple episodes we've been doing

00:55:33.469 --> 00:55:36.289
there kind of unintentionally have been having

00:55:36.289 --> 00:55:39.829
links to it just shows you how this cinema especially

00:55:39.829 --> 00:55:41.070
the ones that we're talking about that's all

00:55:41.070 --> 00:55:43.070
connected because they're all they're all the

00:55:43.070 --> 00:55:45.849
same people or they all knew each other and that's

00:55:45.849 --> 00:55:48.670
probably why someone like uh rogelio agra sanchez

00:55:48.670 --> 00:55:51.739
was able to produce like something like 70 movies

00:55:51.739 --> 00:55:56.579
in a short span of time. They were making almost

00:55:56.579 --> 00:55:59.539
10 movies a year. A lot of the early movies,

00:55:59.619 --> 00:56:01.519
I know he was successful in them. He was making

00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.619
a lot of money when he first started. Let's make

00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:07.320
another one. Let's go. Assemble the team and

00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:09.719
let's go. Everyone's already here. His most famous

00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:11.519
one that I want to know, I know people will know,

00:56:11.619 --> 00:56:13.929
is the... the luchador one the one with all of

00:56:13.929 --> 00:56:18.150
them oh yeah and i remember reading about that

00:56:18.150 --> 00:56:20.289
he was saying like no expense was spared like

00:56:20.289 --> 00:56:23.570
he didn't care how much he had to spend he couldn't

00:56:23.570 --> 00:56:25.349
get el santo he was disappointed but he's like

00:56:25.349 --> 00:56:27.550
let's just get another guy let's go let's make

00:56:27.550 --> 00:56:30.130
this movie Shit, probably the cost of all four

00:56:30.130 --> 00:56:32.510
of them was the cost of Santos. I was like, fuck

00:56:32.510 --> 00:56:34.989
it. If I can get four for the price of one, let's

00:56:34.989 --> 00:56:36.949
do it. Yeah, I think what it was is Santos couldn't

00:56:36.949 --> 00:56:39.570
do it. I think Santos did want to do it, but

00:56:39.570 --> 00:56:41.690
he just couldn't, I guess. That movie would have

00:56:41.690 --> 00:56:43.869
been fucking sick. I mean, the movie's already

00:56:43.869 --> 00:56:45.829
fucking sick. It's already good. But if Santos

00:56:45.829 --> 00:56:47.489
was in it too, man, that movie would have been

00:56:47.489 --> 00:56:50.030
hard. But yeah, that's one of Rogelios' most

00:56:50.030 --> 00:56:52.389
famous movies and most successful, I want to

00:56:52.389 --> 00:56:53.969
say, too. Because I know that one did really

00:56:53.969 --> 00:56:55.840
well when it came out. He also did, what was

00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:58.280
the Misterios en Bermudas or some shit like that?

00:56:58.420 --> 00:57:00.400
Yeah, he did that one too, Misterios en Bermudas.

00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:03.159
Shot in his backyard as well, they said. No,

00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:06.019
not that one. That one was in South Padre Island.

00:57:06.139 --> 00:57:08.960
But nearby there. Nearby. In his hometown. Yeah,

00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:11.239
nearby. But yeah. So yeah, all those movies were

00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:14.179
made there in the Rio Grande Valley. And Las

00:57:14.179 --> 00:57:16.980
Braceras, as I mentioned, if you feel like Mojados

00:57:16.980 --> 00:57:19.989
didn't, you know. Wet your appetite for sleaze.

00:57:20.090 --> 00:57:23.610
Watch Las Braceras. I'm Vicks. I think you said

00:57:23.610 --> 00:57:25.530
the key word there, sleaze. Everyone wants more

00:57:25.530 --> 00:57:29.929
sleaze, more women, more nudity. Yeah, Las Braceras

00:57:29.929 --> 00:57:32.269
will cover that. Perfect, there it is. Whatever

00:57:32.269 --> 00:57:35.630
mojados didn't have that you felt lack of, Las

00:57:35.630 --> 00:57:37.349
Braceras has you covered. And it's the same story,

00:57:37.429 --> 00:57:39.409
basically, too. That's another reason why I wanted

00:57:39.409 --> 00:57:40.530
to bring that one up, because it's almost the

00:57:40.530 --> 00:57:43.429
same story. And it ends the same way. Stamp it

00:57:43.429 --> 00:57:44.989
right there. Almost the same way, yeah. For all

00:57:44.989 --> 00:57:47.570
the scumbags out there, you can go watch that

00:57:47.570 --> 00:57:51.630
one. Yeah, exactly. Well, kept it nice and short

00:57:51.630 --> 00:57:54.769
for this one, so hopefully we were able to talk

00:57:54.769 --> 00:57:57.550
a little bit about the movies enough for you

00:57:57.550 --> 00:58:01.070
to entice you to watch them. I know Mojados is

00:58:01.070 --> 00:58:05.079
available on YouTube. Vagon de la Muerte. Is

00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.079
Vagon available on YouTube? I don't even know.

00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.079
Yeah, so it's under a different title. I don't

00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:10.840
remember. But if you look it up, it'll come up.

00:58:10.980 --> 00:58:13.059
But then I noticed it's a little bit cut. I think

00:58:13.059 --> 00:58:15.699
they just cut off some of the music. So that's

00:58:15.699 --> 00:58:17.920
the only bummer part. But it's still watchable

00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:19.599
and stuff like that. So you can look it up there

00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.039
as well. Okay, so both available for you guys

00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.739
to watch on YouTube. Yeah. If not, you can bother

00:58:25.739 --> 00:58:28.400
Armando. Maybe he'll give you a link or something.

00:58:28.420 --> 00:58:31.019
Oh, yeah, yeah. I think I still have Vagon on

00:58:31.019 --> 00:58:35.420
Dropbox or something. uh as always thanks for

00:58:35.420 --> 00:58:38.639
listening uh you know rate subscribe all that

00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.920
you know good shit we did officially start the

00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:44.639
trash max podcast instagram page so if you're

00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:48.039
not following that Go ahead and give that a follow.

00:58:48.579 --> 00:58:51.239
We've been getting steady follows for the last

00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:53.559
couple of days. Yeah, it's growing. Once we keep

00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:55.440
posting more on there, we'll get more followers.

00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:57.380
But yeah, we'll be posting more on there. We'll

00:58:57.380 --> 00:58:59.940
post stuff related to the episodes. It's never

00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:01.380
going to be just something random. It's going

00:59:01.380 --> 00:59:03.139
to be always something connected to the episodes

00:59:03.139 --> 00:59:05.480
we talked about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. New ones and

00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:09.239
then maybe some of the old ones as well. yeah

00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:11.679
so give give that a follow give armando a follow

00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:13.400
if you aren't already which would be strange

00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:14.780
i don't know how you're listening if you don't

00:59:14.780 --> 00:59:16.599
follow him but it's funny because the other day

00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:19.019
this guy was like is this your podcast and he

00:59:19.019 --> 00:59:21.699
sends me the trash makes podcast link oh my god

00:59:21.699 --> 00:59:25.860
i was like yeah i was like yeah i think you know

00:59:25.860 --> 00:59:28.980
what i think i think people i don't know what

00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:31.289
it is i'm not even gonna pretend to know yeah

00:59:31.289 --> 00:59:32.949
i don't know i don't know either yeah i don't

00:59:32.949 --> 00:59:34.730
know i think they just overlook everything so

00:59:34.730 --> 00:59:36.550
but it's okay i mean it's whatever no it's all

00:59:36.550 --> 00:59:38.150
good i mean you know you can't expect everyone

00:59:38.150 --> 00:59:40.030
to be in tune with everything because there's

00:59:40.030 --> 00:59:42.630
so many podcasts out there there's so many fucking

00:59:42.630 --> 00:59:45.989
things to listen and watch like i mean you can

00:59:45.989 --> 00:59:49.510
get inundated with so much shit uh now you know

00:59:49.510 --> 00:59:51.710
but i will say though our podcast stands out

00:59:51.710 --> 00:59:54.739
because once again we're talking about movies

00:59:54.739 --> 00:59:56.579
that not a lot of people have talked about in

00:59:56.579 --> 00:59:59.519
podcasts previously or at all I mean it's hard

00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.420
enough to find information about this shit when

01:00:01.420 --> 01:00:03.280
you're trying to google like alright let me find

01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:05.699
a little history on this person or you know this

01:00:05.699 --> 01:00:09.099
product I mean it's not out there it's just really

01:00:09.099 --> 01:00:12.239
not out there luckily of course me being the

01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:14.989
nerd that I am I always find a way so like The

01:00:14.989 --> 01:00:16.889
book that I sent you. Somebody actually sent

01:00:16.889 --> 01:00:18.889
me that book that I sent you. That was a good

01:00:18.889 --> 01:00:21.130
read. I kind of want to go through the whole

01:00:21.130 --> 01:00:24.010
thing. Yeah. So shout out to Robert Longoria.

01:00:24.130 --> 01:00:26.449
He actually lives in Brownsville. So he sent

01:00:26.449 --> 01:00:28.750
it to me. Shout out. Yeah. This was like last

01:00:28.750 --> 01:00:30.010
year when he sent it to me. I was like, oh, perfect.

01:00:30.110 --> 01:00:33.309
Yeah. So it was cool to use that book finally

01:00:33.309 --> 01:00:35.489
for something, you know, other than what I normally

01:00:35.489 --> 01:00:36.949
already knew. But yeah, that was good to use

01:00:36.949 --> 01:00:40.880
that with you. So shout out to Robert. um shout

01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.659
out to everyone who's listening um shout out

01:00:43.659 --> 01:00:47.400
to everyone who eventually will listen and um

01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:53.519
yeah man next month is uh gonna be uh well next

01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:58.400
month is september um it's gonna be the mexican

01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:02.739
independence uh is september 16th i kind of i

01:01:02.739 --> 01:01:04.559
mean you know we've talked about it before but

01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:06.679
i kind of want to do an episode that represents

01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:12.409
both of our um Our home states in Mexico. Oh,

01:01:12.409 --> 01:01:14.469
yeah. That's perfect. You know, kind of give

01:01:14.469 --> 01:01:16.929
a little bit of light into, you know, where our

01:01:16.929 --> 01:01:18.789
families are from. Because I don't think we've,

01:01:18.909 --> 01:01:20.789
I mean, we mentioned it, but I don't think we've

01:01:20.789 --> 01:01:23.190
ever gone in depth about where we're from. So

01:01:23.190 --> 01:01:24.929
both your family, your mom and dad, they have

01:01:24.929 --> 01:01:28.730
roots in Zacatecas? Just my dad. My dad's family

01:01:28.730 --> 01:01:33.969
is from Zacatecas. My mom's family is from, where's

01:01:33.969 --> 01:01:37.989
my grandma from again? I think she's from Nuevo

01:01:37.989 --> 01:01:40.460
Laredo. Yeah, I'm sure. I think we can probably

01:01:40.460 --> 01:01:42.900
double it. I mean, well, quadruple it because

01:01:42.900 --> 01:01:45.480
my dad's from Michoacan. My mom, I mean, she

01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:47.320
was born here, but her family's from Jalisco.

01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:50.559
I think we can find titles for each state. Okay,

01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:52.659
perfect. So then we'll do, I'll confirm that

01:01:52.659 --> 01:01:54.780
with my mom. I'm pretty sure she's from Nuevo

01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:59.579
Lorelo, which is right over the border. And so,

01:01:59.659 --> 01:02:02.480
yeah, I'll confirm it. We'll pick a couple titles

01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.380
and try to make it sleazy so people don't think

01:02:05.380 --> 01:02:09.480
we're being boring with the drama shit. And,

01:02:09.579 --> 01:02:12.440
you know, just to clarify, September 16th is

01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:14.780
Mexico's independence, not Cinco de Mayo for

01:02:14.780 --> 01:02:17.519
some people that think that. But notice how this

01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:19.500
year nobody did nothing for Cinco de Mayo. You

01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:21.179
didn't hear nothing about Cinco de Mayo at all.

01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:24.260
I mean, look, I'm not going to say Cinco de Mayo

01:02:24.260 --> 01:02:26.840
was not an important battle, but it's not what

01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.039
everyone thinks it is. But I noticed, you know,

01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:30.579
how normally, like, you'll hear about, oh, people

01:02:30.579 --> 01:02:32.199
are going to have this event. You know, look

01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:33.980
what's going on. And nothing happened this year,

01:02:34.059 --> 01:02:36.719
yeah. And I wonder what's going to happen this.

01:02:37.260 --> 01:02:39.619
this coming september other than like the boxy

01:02:39.619 --> 01:02:41.840
matches you know yeah well i mean of course canelo

01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:44.320
is going to be fighting so i mean the carne asada

01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:45.699
that's literally the only thing i thought of

01:02:45.699 --> 01:02:46.940
i was like what's everyone going to be doing

01:02:46.940 --> 01:02:48.420
that day i'm just going to stay home and watch

01:02:48.420 --> 01:02:50.920
the canelo which is what i'm gonna do too i mean

01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:52.820
yeah i mean you know you gotta you gotta support

01:02:52.820 --> 01:02:57.079
canelo man yeah what's single the mile and and

01:02:57.079 --> 01:02:59.519
uh mexican independence day without a canelo

01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:01.980
fight you know he fights twice a year one in

01:03:01.980 --> 01:03:04.840
once in may once in september and all everyone's

01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:08.539
happy man exactly So, again, thanks for listening.

01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:11.199
Tune in next month. We'll be talking about home

01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:14.500
states in Mexico. Maybe, I don't know, family

01:03:14.500 --> 01:03:17.880
history or something. I don't know. Tell everyone

01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:23.139
you know about the show. Rate, subscribe. And,

01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:25.360
of course, contact us. Now that we have the Instagram,

01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:27.739
you can always message both of us. Yeah, we both

01:03:27.739 --> 01:03:30.360
have access to it, so you can hit up that account

01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:32.500
and either one of us will respond. Yeah, just

01:03:32.500 --> 01:03:35.409
hit us up. Don't be shy. Don't be weird. Like

01:03:35.409 --> 01:03:37.150
I tell people, don't be weird. Just, just do

01:03:37.150 --> 01:03:39.510
it. We got some big stuff coming to, I mean,

01:03:39.510 --> 01:03:41.349
I've been, I've been planning something with

01:03:41.349 --> 01:03:43.670
Armando for a little bit and it's finally coming

01:03:43.670 --> 01:03:48.289
to, uh, it's coming into fruition. So, uh, once

01:03:48.289 --> 01:03:50.130
I, once I get that done, maybe we'll have it

01:03:50.130 --> 01:03:52.010
before the end of the year. Maybe it'll be like

01:03:52.010 --> 01:03:55.690
a, uh, beginning of 2026 thing or something,

01:03:55.750 --> 01:03:58.269
but we'll get that crack. And I think people

01:03:58.269 --> 01:04:01.280
are going to be excited for that. Um, I know

01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:02.980
October, everyone's going to be super stoked

01:04:02.980 --> 01:04:04.840
for that. I mean, we're talking already months

01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:08.679
in advance, but, um, yeah. Thanks for listening.

01:04:08.780 --> 01:04:11.119
Yeah. Thank you guys so much. Appreciate it.

01:07:25.819 --> 01:08:47.630
THE END Ahí está el bardo. Hola, Pardo. Esta

01:08:47.630 --> 01:08:52.989
era tu piruja. De cuando andabas con pirujas.

01:08:53.670 --> 01:08:59.470
Te la regalo. Llévatela a tu cama. ¡Te la regalo!