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Hello, everybody. Thank you for joining us on

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the Trash Mix podcast. We're on season two now,

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episode one. I can't believe we made it this

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far. That's kind of crazy, right? I know. What

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the fuck? I was doing the math the other day,

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and I was like, how the fuck are we in? We've

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only done 10 official episodes plus two interviews,

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but we haven't been doing this for 12 months.

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I don't know how the math works on that. Yeah,

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I don't know either. But hey, we made it this

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far, and people have been tuning in, so I just

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want to say thank you for everyone that's been

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tuning in, giving us feedback, commenting, just

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giving us these, you know. Just letting us know

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that you guys are listening. That makes us feel

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like we're doing something and you guys are into

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it. Yeah, one of the best feedbacks we got late

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in the year, it was the Trash Max podcast is

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A24 meets Foods Gone Wild. And I love that because

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I don't know which one of us is A24 and the other

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is Foods Gone Wild, but I'll take that comparison

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all day. Yeah, shout out to Dan for that. He's

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funny. What's up, Dan? Yeah, that was an interesting

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comparison. I was like, yeah, we'll take it.

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But, yeah, you know what? Like you said, we're

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starting off season two. This will be the first

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episode. We had a good run with season one. I

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think we touched on a lot of good topics, a lot

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of cool movies, and hopefully the crowd, or the

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listeners, I should say, liked it. If you haven't

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yet, tell everyone, rate. uh give us a uh what

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do they call it uh review you know do all that

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stuff five star one star doesn't matter but just

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spread it out you know so we can uh get a little

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bit more uh ears on the show yeah exactly and

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then i do be checking on letterbox i'd be seeing

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people adding stuff on their watch list that

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we covered nice or they actually watched it too

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which i thought was pretty cool damn they watched

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it right after they listen i gotta start following

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more people because i got like 20 people and

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i'm like i'm like the background guy you know

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i don't i don't i don't talk to too many people

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in person but yeah but no that's cool so that's

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what i'm saying so that's what i was noticing

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so people are like catching on they're like wanting

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to see the movies or hey if they manage to find

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the movie they're watching them so that's cool

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which which ones do you think were like the more

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popular ones I noticed after the Angelica chain,

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when people added the Diario de Intima cabaretera

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on their watch list, and then I think from what

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I saw, two or three people actually watched it

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right after. Oh, nice. Which I thought was interesting.

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I was like, oh, they literally watched it right

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after we posted the episode. Hey, I mean, that's

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good. That means the show's working. We wanted

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it to be. And then Un Hombre Violento, I think,

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too, was one of them, too. Banger, yeah. Yeah,

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exactly. Okay, so they want to see the women

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and they want to see some shootings. Some shootings,

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exactly. But we're going to do that, yeah. So

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what do we have for Season 2, actually? So Season

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2, we're going to cover kind of a couple different

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topics. This first episode, we'll get into it

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in a little bit, but we're going to talk about,

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of course, the patron saint. of mexico el santo

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but um you know we had different ideas that i've

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been kind of throwing around is like uh we might

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end up doing a slasher episode oh that one's

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gonna be funny because i already have an idea

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for that joey's gonna be exposed to some rare

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slashers um We have some stuff, like I want to

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do something, because we don't really talk about

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where our families are from in Mexico, so I thought

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it would be cool to do something like that. Yeah,

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I thought that was a good idea. I was like, I

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didn't think of that, but that is a good idea,

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like home states. Hopefully, we had some ideas

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for guests that we're going to do to do interviews.

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Hopefully, that pans out, and we'll try to get

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more guests on that will kind of correlate to

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the themes of the shows every month. Yeah, exactly.

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Plenty of cool people we have in mind, especially

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Joey. Joey put down people that he wants to get,

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and I think they'll be down. I hope so. I think

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it'll be cool for the listeners to hear these

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stories. And I think more importantly, it's better

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to have the actual person tell their own story

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versus us telling people about them. Yeah, exactly.

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And especially if they're around to do it. Yeah,

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exactly. I agree 100%. But today we're going

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to get on. I mean, everybody knows who he is.

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He's a Mexican pop culture icon. His image is

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everywhere. It's none other than El Santo. El

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Santo. One of the faces on Mount Rushmore of

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luchadores, I would say. He's probably the first

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one that everyone thinks of. Yeah, exactly. Him,

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Blue Demon, Mil Máscaras. huracan ramirez i want

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to say i was i was gonna say when when you look

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at the the generic mount rushmore of luchadores

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it's always santo blue demon huracan ramirez

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and mil mascaras and i don't i think you'd be

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hard -pressed to find anybody that would argue

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against that exactly um but yeah i mean this

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episode is going to be in conjunction with a

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kind of a summer long uh summer of santo if you

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will that you're that you're throwing over THE

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END Yeah, so we're gonna do something called

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Santos Sundays. That was actually a name, a title

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that Trevor Dillon from the Frida came up with,

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which I thought was pretty cool. Shout out Trevor.

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Yeah, so we're gonna be doing Santos Sundays

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this summer at the Frida Cinema, only at the

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Frida Cinema. So don't think it's gonna be like

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everywhere in the country or in the state. It's

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going to be just one spot. Santa Ana, California.

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If you want to see a Santo movie this summer,

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you got to fly into Santa Ana. Yeah. So a lot

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of people have been asking like, well, we need

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to show more Santo movies, blah, blah, blah.

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You know, I'll see when. And hey, now we got

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the opportunity. Eight shows. And so you motherfuckers

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better show up. Yeah. I don't want to hear you

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guys say, oh, I didn't know you were doing it.

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And it's like, I've only been posting it on Instagram

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like almost every day or every other day at least.

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So how many shows are you actually doing for

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the summer then? Eight shows. Eight shows. Which

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I got overwhelmed thinking about the other day.

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I was like, oh, man, I didn't realize how much

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that was. But I was like, nah. That means you

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actually got to leave your house eight times.

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I know. I don't like leaving the house. If you

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guys know me personally, you guys know I don't

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really go out. Not to say that I can or anything.

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It's just more of like, you know, I just don't

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care to go out a lot. I feel it, man. So whenever

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I do go out, when you see me in person somewhere,

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it's a really big surprise. If you see me at

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Los Feliz, you're going to be like, what? How

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the fuck? This fool told me he was going to come

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to the New Beverly next month. I'm not going

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to tell you guys which show he's coming to. But

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when he told me, I was like, what? Yeah. Oh,

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yeah. I got tickets for that. Yeah. I was like,

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oh, yeah. I'm going to go to that. Just don't

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tell me I'm going. Well, I guess I kind of gave

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myself away. But if you see me there, then yeah.

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But yeah, I'll be there at the New Beverly. But

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anyway, so. So, yeah. So Santo Sunday is at the

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Frida. So we're going to begin June 15th with

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Santo Contra el Cerebro del Mal. June 29th, Centro

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Contra Los Hombres Infernales. July 13th, that's

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the one that I think I need people to put the

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kids to bed, you know, a little early. Yeah,

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it's like the one, like the non -family friendly.

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That's the non -family, because they're all family

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friendly for the most part, but this one's going

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to be the one for the adults only. So don't bring

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the kids, don't bring... People that are, you

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know, sensitive to nudity and sex. Or offended

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very easily. Yeah, because we're going to be

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showing Los Leprosos y el Sexo, which is Santo

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contra los Gineses del Terror, which is the Western

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that Santo did. But this one has the sex stuff

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in there that was cut previously or never really

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shown in America. Well, it was shown in America,

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but vaguely. Like, it was vaguely marketed in

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Europe. The Europe market was the one that was

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more exposed to it. of course naturally yeah

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so that's going to be uh is is that the one that

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uh that we're going to be co -presenting with

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the rendezvous one oh yeah yeah alfonso he needs

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to hit me yeah shout out yeah we need to get

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more deets but yeah that will be the um the rendezvous

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one and then july 27th so if you guys want to

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see that movie with your kids bring them to this

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one this one's the one that doesn't have that

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sex stuff in there But it's still a good movie.

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No, that's a great movie. The thing is, I really

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like it. Yeah, that's actually one of my favorites,

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ironically. And that's, like, ironically the

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one I ended up doing the Blu -ray on. Like, everything

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was, you know, even when I think back on it,

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that's so weird. That's, like, the one sauna

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movie that I really liked. I mean, I like all

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of them, but that was, like, the one that I really

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do like a lot. And I got to be part of that Blu

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-ray, which was strange. Shout out, Indicator.

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Yeah, shout out to Indicator. So, yeah. And then

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on August 10th. Santo y Blue Demon versus Dracula

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and El Hombre Lobo. Nice. That one's a banger.

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That's when we get into the more kooky side of

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Santo, where it's monsters and... It has a great

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battle with a bunch of werewolves near the end.

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Hell yeah. And then August 24th, Santo y Mantequilla

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Napoles. He's a famous boxer. And La Venganza

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de la Llorona. So they get to fight the Llorona,

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basically, in this one. Or it's not even really

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La Llorona. It's like a mummy kind of thing.

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Yeah, it's a little. They just throw in the Llorona

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name and they're just, you know. Well, I mean,

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what Mexican doesn't know La Llorona? Yeah, exactly.

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So they're like, yeah, we're just going to call

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it La Llorona. It's not really La Llorona. It's

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more of a mummy or anything. And then September

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7th, Santo en el Tesoro de Dracula. So the thing

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is about that one, I'm still trying to figure

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out because. The DCP we got for that one was

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for the sex one, which is Vampiro y el Sexo.

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So I'm like, wait, are we showing that one or

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Tesoro de Draco? So I'm going to have to figure

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that one out. But that's until September. So

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we'll let you know. It might change. It might

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be changing to that one or not. But we'll figure

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it out. But yeah. And then the last one will

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be September 21st. Santo contra la Hija de Frankenstein.

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Which I think I've seen once. I just don't really

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remember that one. That's the one I don't really

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remember, to be honest. I think I have a DVD

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of it, but I don't know if I've seen it myself.

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Yeah, I know which one it is, but I don't know

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if I saw it more than once. I think I've only

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seen it once and I barely remember it. But yeah,

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so these are all fun movies one way or another.

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They're all on Sundays. $9 tickets. Perfect.

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So don't start saying, oh, I don't want to pay

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$15 or $20. It's like, it's $9. They can't complain

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at that price point, you know. Yeah, $9 tickets

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in person, online. Buy them on the freetocinema

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.org or go to the box office. And, yeah, we'll

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see you there. And hopefully you guys come out,

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have fun, bring your Lucha masks, your Lucha

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outfits, whatever you guys want to do. Bring

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the kids. Like I told you all, don't bring them

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on the 13th of July. Maybe the September 7th

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either. But, like I said, we'll let you know

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what's going to happen for September 7th. But,

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yeah. But, yeah, like I said, these are all family

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-friendly, bringing everybody, mom, dad, grandma,

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grandpa. Yeah, I'm super excited for this because,

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like you said, a lot of people always talk, oh,

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I want to watch Santo movies, you know. So now

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is really the chance. Exactly, yeah. So people

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have been asking. It's like, okay, now I brought

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you guys eight. Eight in a row. Not two, not

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one, eight. And this is courtesy of who? Oh,

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so that's the most important part. It's not just

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me bringing these movies in, obviously. It's

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with Permanencia Voluntaria Arquivo Cinematográfica,

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which is a restoration company founded by Viviana

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Garcia Besne. She was super nice enough to let

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me, you know, present these movies. You know,

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she says, hey, you know, I want you to present

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these movies. And then, you know, since me and

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her are collaborating on a project that she's

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doing. So, you know, this all intertwines with

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everything. So she's working on a Lucha book.

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collaborating with other people with her in this

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book sick it's gonna be awesome she's supposed

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to do a kickstarter for instance so once she

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does we'll post it and we'll you know you know

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you guys if you guys want to donate help her

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out with the book get it out there but it's gonna

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be pretty sick she gave me the rundown of how

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she wants it to be done and i'm like oh like

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i said i'm gonna help you lady yeah that sounds

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everybody that's collaborating is pretty awesome

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from what i saw on the email chain i'm like oh

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nice she got she got a lot of cool people to

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be part of the book you know I'm excited. It's

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going to be awesome. A lot of writing, a lot

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of pictures. It's going to be a cool book. You

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guys are going to be down for it. You guys are

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going to be like, where do I donate so I get

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this in my hands? Shout out to her. Hopefully

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we can get her on the show. She can talk about

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the book and Santo and anything else. Her work

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and what she's been doing. Because I do think

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it's important. Because like we said, Santo is

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such a huge figure in Mexico. When you think

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of Mexico, you think of tacos. You think of Santo,

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you know. So it's like Santo is one of the most

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important figures in Mexico. Yeah, exactly. He's

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very much important. And like I said, everybody

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knows the face, you know. Yeah. Like when you

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think of American culture, what do you think?

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You think of Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, stuff like

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that. Mexico or Santo. Santo. Or another literal.

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Chante. There's a couple of huge names in Mexico's

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history. Roberto Guinard. I'm just joking. Nobody

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knows who that is. Well, they should because

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we did a little episode on him. So if you don't

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know who he is, go back and listen to episode

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four or five. And Bernardo Melendez. Shout out

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to Bernardo, you know. Everybody in Mexico knows

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who he is. No, but for real, yeah. No, but yeah,

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exactly. But like we said, Santo, everybody knows

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who he is in America, Europe. Asia, they know

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who he is. Very iconic character. And like I

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said, what better way to know more about him

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or see is come to the Frida on Santo Sundays.

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Well, you know what? For people that don't know

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Santo, let's kind of go into a little bit of

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a history of Santo. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so,

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I mean, like we said, Santo is probably the biggest

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luchador in Mexico's history. You know, there's

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not there is information out there, but, you

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know, you got to really search for it. You know,

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he started his career right at the turn or not

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the turn, but right after the Mexican Revolution

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was kind of ended, you know, so it was kind of

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like a new period in Mexico's history. And Lucha

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kind of was becoming a thing because Lucha as

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a thing as like a as a thing. is kind of at the

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century mark like it's about 100 years old is

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really when you know how long lucha has been

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around in mexico's um you know history um but

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santo himself he didn't start until the 30 like

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the early 30s i believe which would have been

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only a couple years after the mexican revolution

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yeah like i didn't realize it until much later

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i'm like wow he was around for a while even before

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the movies and all that yeah oh yeah yeah um

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well you know he let's kind of go into his history

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a little bit he was born uh rodolfo guzman huerta

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in uh Tulancingo Hidalgo in September of 1917.

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He was born right at the pinnacle. I don't know

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if the pinnacle is the right word, but right

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at the end of the Mexican Revolution. He died

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in 1984. Pretty long life. Yeah, very long. He

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got his start in Mexico City, which he moved

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there. Out of necessity, his family had to pack

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up from Hidalgo and go down to Mexico City. And

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that's really where he got his interest and really

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started to learn about Lucha Libre was when he

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got to Mexico City in the, I believe that was

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the late 20s. And of course, he had brothers

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that were luchadores as well. Black Guzman, Jimmy

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Guzman. you know they they all kind of started

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at the same time he was the youngest of all of

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them though so oh i don't know yeah he was the

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well i guess from the i don't know if he was

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the youngest in the family but he was the youngest

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of the the brothers that went into lucha And

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he started as Rudy Guzman. So pretty close to

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his real name. And without a mask, I believe.

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I don't think he got his mask until a couple

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years later. And he played like the villain right

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in the Lucha. So he's, yeah, he's been a, that's

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kind of what I learned semi -recently was that

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he was a rudo when he first started, which is

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a heel. For the wrestling fans, that's what a

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heel is in Mexico. Yeah, he started as a rudo.

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And he really didn't become a technical, which

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would be a baby face in American terms. He didn't

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become a technical until his movie career started.

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He kind of saw the writing on the wall where

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people weren't going to celebrate a heel in movies.

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He needed to be a baby face. He needed to be

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a man of the people in order to be a superstar.

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So he consciously made that decision to turn

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into a technical later. But he had already been

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a rudo for, you know, I mean, if he started in

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the 30s, you know, his movie career didn't really

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take off until the early 60s. So, I mean, he

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was a rudo for, what, almost 30 years. You know,

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that's kind of crazy to think about, you know.

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Went from being the villain to a hero. I mean,

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when you look at his old names, right, El Hombre

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Rojo, the red man. and it's funny you say that

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because i don't know if you ever noticed a lot

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of the european movie posters they paint the

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mask red yeah yeah i think that's where they

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got it from i wonder if but that's probably because

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red is you know you know color wise you see red

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and you think of you know anger danger that type

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of shit so it was probably by default all the

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all the villains had to be red or have some kind

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of red accent that's true um he also had the

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name demonio negro the black demon That's pretty

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sick, actually. Yeah, that is a kind of sick

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name. And then he had Musielago Dos, which is

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a terrible name. Yeah, I never heard of that

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one. And that was a very short -lived name. He

00:18:24.700 --> 00:18:27.299
got that name. Okay, good. So from what I heard

00:18:27.299 --> 00:18:29.960
or what I learned was that he quit wrestling

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because his career wasn't really taking off because

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he had kind of lame gimmicks. And everyone knows

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in lucha libre and wrestling, if your gimmick

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is whack... You're not going to make it. Yeah,

00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:43.519
exactly. So he gave up, became a construction

00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:45.920
worker, came back, and they were like, all right,

00:18:45.980 --> 00:18:48.920
your name is going to be Murcielago Dos. And,

00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:50.480
of course, that didn't last. The commission was

00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:52.819
like, nope, there's already a Murcielago who

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apparently he was known for letting bats loose

00:18:56.900 --> 00:18:59.759
in the arenas. Oh. Which I think is pretty fucking

00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:03.940
sick. But yeah, the commission was like, absolutely

00:19:03.940 --> 00:19:05.759
not. You're not going to take this guy's name.

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And then that's where, you know, the matchmaker

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or the booker was like, all right, well, here

00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:15.259
are your three choices. You got, I forgot the

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three. It was like the angel, the demon, or the

00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:20.720
saint, El Santo. And of course, he chose Santo.

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And the rest is kind of history, kind of writes

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himself. But even as Santo, he was a Rudo, which

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I thought was kind of crazy because I've always

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thought of him, Santo, the character as a technical.

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And from all accounts, he was a vicious Rudo.

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Like he would fucking eye gouge you, you know,

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low blow. He hit the referees. I don't know.

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It kind of blew my mind learning all that because,

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like I said, you think of Santo, you think of

00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:53.599
these movies where he's fighting evil. Yeah,

00:19:53.619 --> 00:19:56.779
he's this heroic person. But no. Back then, no,

00:19:56.779 --> 00:19:59.119
he was not. That's what I thought was so cool

00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:03.579
about him. But, you know, it kind of is like

00:20:03.579 --> 00:20:05.519
a cool dichotomy, right? You think of Santo,

00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:08.339
the look and the name makes you think he's going

00:20:08.339 --> 00:20:11.579
to be a technical. But he was just like a vicious

00:20:11.579 --> 00:20:13.900
ruler. I was like, I didn't give a fuck. Yeah,

00:20:14.019 --> 00:20:15.400
but then when you look at the mask, especially

00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:17.240
in the early days, it does look kind of vicious

00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:20.400
looking, a little bit. It's kind of, yeah, because

00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:24.920
his eyes are like teardrops almost. And then,

00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:27.779
of course, you have like the angelic white accent

00:20:27.779 --> 00:20:31.279
with the silver and sparkles and shit. But I

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don't know. It's just kind of. It was interesting

00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:37.440
to learn more about him as the years gone by

00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.019
because, like I said, I never knew any. I mean,

00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:40.519
I knew some stuff, but I didn't know that it

00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:45.960
was a Rulo. Yeah, and just the career was so

00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:47.880
long, too. Even before the movies, it's like,

00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:50.720
fuck, he was doing a lot of lucha. Well, that's

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kind of, I mean, we'll get into it a little bit,

00:20:52.180 --> 00:20:56.420
but that's kind of why his career lasted so long

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because he was such an iconic wrestler, but he

00:21:01.700 --> 00:21:04.740
didn't really want to be in movies. He turned

00:21:04.740 --> 00:21:09.759
down movies for a couple years, but ironically,

00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:13.400
the movies is what made his career last long.

00:21:13.819 --> 00:21:17.200
He was able to do both, wrestle and be in movies.

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Like I said, he died in 84, and I believe he

00:21:20.180 --> 00:21:24.420
retired in 81 or something like that. That was

00:21:24.420 --> 00:21:28.019
a 50 -year wrestling career. It's crazy to think.

00:21:28.339 --> 00:21:30.880
He was pretty much iconic from the moment he

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became Santo. to the day that he died and he

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got buried with the mask by the way if anybody's

00:21:37.369 --> 00:21:38.950
wondering yep they buried him with the mouse

00:21:38.950 --> 00:21:41.589
at his request i think i always think too like

00:21:41.589 --> 00:21:44.630
obviously he wrestled without a mask so i'm trying

00:21:44.630 --> 00:21:47.190
to i'm like did i wonder if people put two and

00:21:47.190 --> 00:21:49.269
two together hey man that full moves like fucking

00:21:49.269 --> 00:21:52.009
rudy guzman from 15 years ago is that the same

00:21:52.009 --> 00:21:54.930
fool because he never took off his mask until

00:21:54.930 --> 00:21:57.269
like what was it like a couple weeks before he

00:21:57.269 --> 00:22:00.509
died and he was on a tv show um yeah he was very

00:22:00.509 --> 00:22:03.009
secretive like I don't know if you remember.

00:22:03.109 --> 00:22:05.029
Remember one of the interviews with Joaquin Cordero?

00:22:05.309 --> 00:22:09.710
He's like, yeah, he would get picked up in one

00:22:09.710 --> 00:22:12.150
car, and then he would get dropped off in a secret

00:22:12.150 --> 00:22:15.650
location, get picked up in another car, the third

00:22:15.650 --> 00:22:19.170
location, where he drove himself to another location,

00:22:19.369 --> 00:22:21.430
and then that's where he would take off his mask

00:22:21.430 --> 00:22:24.289
and then go. So it's like he was always secretive.

00:22:24.289 --> 00:22:25.650
He was always trying to make sure that nobody

00:22:25.650 --> 00:22:28.990
ever saw it. Yeah, I think a lot of times too,

00:22:29.029 --> 00:22:31.250
and that's kind of what like luchadores in general

00:22:31.250 --> 00:22:33.589
and mass wrestlers is they, you know, it's called

00:22:33.589 --> 00:22:35.670
kayfabe. They took that shit very serious where

00:22:35.670 --> 00:22:37.269
they protected the character, they protected

00:22:37.269 --> 00:22:41.069
the business. I've heard stories that, you know,

00:22:41.089 --> 00:22:43.170
they were able to fly without their mask because,

00:22:43.170 --> 00:22:44.930
you know, obviously no one really knew who they

00:22:44.930 --> 00:22:46.710
were, but they would take different flights from

00:22:46.710 --> 00:22:48.569
the crew so that there wouldn't be, it would

00:22:48.569 --> 00:22:51.460
just be another guy walking off the plane. that

00:22:51.460 --> 00:22:53.779
nobody would even know that it was that wrestler

00:22:53.779 --> 00:22:55.740
or whatever. From my understanding, Guillermo

00:22:55.740 --> 00:22:58.819
del Toro, he owns a license, a driver's license

00:22:58.819 --> 00:23:01.240
of El Santo that he got made especially. Yeah,

00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:03.640
yeah, yeah. I think that was on display when

00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:05.880
he did his exhibit. Yeah, that was one of the

00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:08.079
big items right there, yeah. His little driver's

00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:09.740
license with his mask on. That's pretty sick,

00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:12.359
actually. That's how devoted he was. He's like,

00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:14.200
yep, if I'm going to be driving, I'm going to

00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:15.240
be driving with a mask, but I've got to have

00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.140
a license. He got one with his mask on. But that

00:23:18.140 --> 00:23:20.900
also shows how serious Mexico was about Lucha

00:23:20.900 --> 00:23:23.059
Libre. They were just like, yeah, fuck, you're

00:23:23.059 --> 00:23:24.779
Santo. Of course we're going to give you a driver's

00:23:24.779 --> 00:23:31.539
license with your mask on. So yeah, I mean, so

00:23:31.539 --> 00:23:34.579
before he started in movies, he had a comic.

00:23:35.380 --> 00:23:37.940
Oh yeah, that's how it started too. That's how

00:23:37.940 --> 00:23:40.079
the craze really started, yeah. He had a comic.

00:23:40.779 --> 00:23:42.640
which was really popular. And then he's just

00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:45.180
fighting these monsters and like supervillains

00:23:45.180 --> 00:23:47.180
and like, you know, mobsters and shit like that.

00:23:48.019 --> 00:23:50.660
It's kind of funny that he was a, he was a, you

00:23:50.660 --> 00:23:52.740
know, you know, a technical, if you will, in

00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:55.220
the comics, but when the comics were being published

00:23:55.220 --> 00:23:57.099
in real life, he was a Rudo. So it was kind of,

00:23:57.099 --> 00:23:59.480
it was kind of weird. Yeah. And then that's how

00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:01.740
Rene Cardona, the, you know, big time director,

00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:03.720
he got an idea to make a movie about a Luchador,

00:24:03.859 --> 00:24:07.019
which was called El Mascaro de Plata. He wanted

00:24:07.019 --> 00:24:09.000
Santo to be in it. He told him, I want you to

00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:10.680
be in this movie. This is about you. It was written

00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:12.119
for him, right? Basically, it was written for

00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:14.680
him. But Santo said, no. He just didn't think

00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:16.579
it was a good idea at the time. This is like

00:24:16.579 --> 00:24:18.579
53. He was just like, nah, I don't think this

00:24:18.579 --> 00:24:20.700
is going to do good. Nobody really wants to see

00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:22.619
this. He just thought that this is all in the

00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:26.079
funny books. It's all comic book shit. And yeah,

00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:28.279
so Rene was like, all right. So he got El Medico

00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:31.150
as his senior. Who looked exactly like him. I

00:24:31.150 --> 00:24:33.730
think his mask was just white. And when you watch

00:24:33.730 --> 00:24:36.269
the movie, it's super B -movie, just madness.

00:24:36.450 --> 00:24:38.470
You're just like, what the fuck? And I'm just

00:24:38.470 --> 00:24:40.930
like, yeah, I could see what Santo meant. It

00:24:40.930 --> 00:24:43.509
is a little too silly, even for that time. But

00:24:43.509 --> 00:24:47.430
this was predating Santos' career. So I always

00:24:47.430 --> 00:24:48.710
wondered, I wonder how that would have been with

00:24:48.710 --> 00:24:51.730
him. But no, the movie didn't do well. So nobody

00:24:51.730 --> 00:24:54.930
touched the Lucha stuff for a while. Then in

00:24:54.930 --> 00:24:57.829
57, 58, I believe, that's when they went to Cuba

00:24:57.829 --> 00:25:01.339
and made... Cerebro del Mal with Santa, with

00:25:01.339 --> 00:25:04.440
the, you know, he got convinced by the producer.

00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:09.460
And he also got convinced by Fernando Oses, right?

00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:11.119
The writer of the movie. The writer of the movie,

00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.220
Fernando Oses, and then the producer, Jorge Garcia

00:25:13.220 --> 00:25:16.519
Besne, whose granddaughter is Viviana, who's

00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.700
the one that does Permanencia Voluntaria. And

00:25:18.700 --> 00:25:21.240
gave you the rights to do that. Yep, so it's

00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.759
all connected, you know. And so, I mean, well,

00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.859
for those who don't know, How was he connected

00:25:26.859 --> 00:25:29.480
in Mexico's cinema history? I mean, he had a

00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:31.660
career of his own, but he was attached. Yeah,

00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:34.640
he was married to one of the daughters of the

00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:36.920
Calderon family, which I think her name was Mate.

00:25:37.059 --> 00:25:41.140
He was married to her for a while. And of course,

00:25:41.140 --> 00:25:42.579
that's how he got involved with them, you know,

00:25:42.579 --> 00:25:45.180
because her brothers and then her father were

00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:48.200
in the movies making, you know, a lot of movies

00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:50.609
already by then. And that's what he learned from

00:25:50.609 --> 00:25:52.549
them, basically, was through them, through his

00:25:52.549 --> 00:25:55.990
in -laws. And so the Calderon family, they were

00:25:55.990 --> 00:25:58.230
like, I mean, they're kind of a dynasty in Mexico's

00:25:58.230 --> 00:26:00.490
cinema history. Oh, yeah. I mean, as far as I

00:26:00.490 --> 00:26:02.569
know, or as far as I learned, was that they kind

00:26:02.569 --> 00:26:06.069
of were the ones who brought cinema to Mexico

00:26:06.069 --> 00:26:07.710
almost, right? Yeah, basically, yeah. They're

00:26:07.710 --> 00:26:09.930
the ones that did it. They started building a

00:26:09.930 --> 00:26:12.630
bunch of movie houses all over Mexico. They own

00:26:12.630 --> 00:26:15.930
the theaters. Supposedly, the patriarch of the

00:26:15.930 --> 00:26:19.509
family, he's the one who brought sound to Mexico.

00:26:19.730 --> 00:26:21.609
And that too, yeah. I don't know if that's 100

00:26:21.609 --> 00:26:24.029
% factual or not, but that's the... It sounds

00:26:24.029 --> 00:26:26.710
like it is. Yeah, from all accounts, that's what

00:26:26.710 --> 00:26:29.309
it points to. Yeah, very powerful family in the

00:26:29.309 --> 00:26:31.529
movie business. Best thing I learned from them.

00:26:32.650 --> 00:26:36.029
And yeah, and then the story goes is that...

00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.559
Around the time before, you know, this Santa

00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:41.500
movie was made, he was having affairs, Jorge

00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:43.720
Garcia Besne. He was having affairs, and then

00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.839
he was divorcing from his wife. So he got kind

00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.099
of blacklisted by the Calderons, like, you know,

00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:50.640
we don't want you making movies here in Mexico.

00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.380
So Besne got some money, and then him and the

00:26:54.380 --> 00:26:58.019
crew went to Cuba. The ironic part is the first

00:26:58.019 --> 00:26:59.960
Santa movie isn't even made in Mexico. It's made

00:26:59.960 --> 00:27:03.680
in Havana, Cuba. Pre -Revolution days, you know,

00:27:03.700 --> 00:27:05.220
or during the Revolution, that is, you know.

00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:08.960
Yeah, they would have been producing those as

00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:11.660
the Cuban Revolution was happening. Yeah, it

00:27:11.660 --> 00:27:13.779
was happening already. But when you watch the

00:27:13.779 --> 00:27:17.559
movie, it's so calm still. Normal living. Yeah,

00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:22.200
there's a very interesting history when it comes

00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:27.339
to the production of El Cerebro del Mal. Because,

00:27:27.339 --> 00:27:30.099
like you said, they were filming it during the

00:27:30.099 --> 00:27:33.890
uprising in Cuba. They were filming two movies

00:27:33.890 --> 00:27:36.049
at the same time. That's one thing I left out.

00:27:36.150 --> 00:27:37.490
They weren't filming one. They were filming two

00:27:37.490 --> 00:27:40.430
movies. I know. Fucking crazy. With very little

00:27:40.430 --> 00:27:42.569
bit of money, too. Like, not a lot of money.

00:27:42.869 --> 00:27:44.710
So whatever money they were using, they were

00:27:44.710 --> 00:27:47.529
very, you know, stringy, you know. I wonder,

00:27:47.670 --> 00:27:50.630
you know, do you think they shot them? like at

00:27:50.630 --> 00:27:53.130
the same time or shot one and then shot the other

00:27:53.130 --> 00:27:55.049
if i my understanding i think it was right after

00:27:55.049 --> 00:27:57.849
the other yeah because when i was watching it

00:27:57.849 --> 00:28:00.890
it had the feel of uh i know i kind of told you

00:28:00.890 --> 00:28:02.329
about this the other day i was like i was it

00:28:02.329 --> 00:28:04.549
reminded me of how jess franco ran his career

00:28:04.549 --> 00:28:07.450
where he got money for one movie but it was like

00:28:07.450 --> 00:28:09.670
fuck this i'm gonna do two or three movies at

00:28:09.670 --> 00:28:12.650
the same time because the the two movies and

00:28:12.650 --> 00:28:19.470
we're talking about uh All the characters are

00:28:19.470 --> 00:28:24.029
the same. I mean, they switch as far as like,

00:28:24.150 --> 00:28:26.049
you know, the good guys in one movie are now

00:28:26.049 --> 00:28:28.910
the bad guys in the next movie. But, you know,

00:28:28.910 --> 00:28:32.269
they even have the same shots. Like they recycled

00:28:32.269 --> 00:28:35.390
shots for Hombres Infernales. Same locations.

00:28:36.130 --> 00:28:38.750
Everything was the same. Yeah. So, I mean, it

00:28:38.750 --> 00:28:40.950
made me think that they shot it probably at the

00:28:40.950 --> 00:28:44.630
same time because Hombres Infernales doesn't

00:28:44.630 --> 00:28:47.660
feel like a complete movie. Yeah, when you think

00:28:47.660 --> 00:28:50.160
about it, it doesn't, yeah. And obviously, I

00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.720
would assume that, you know, multiple factors

00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.500
there. They ran out of money. My understanding

00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:58.079
is that was one of the cases. And Castro and

00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.660
Guevara finally, you know, finished their uprising

00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:03.859
and came to power in Cuba. So they were like,

00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:05.220
all right, pack this shit up and let's get the

00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:07.519
fuck out of here. And then from my understanding,

00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:10.500
the Cuban production crew, they kept the films

00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:13.059
from the business because business owed them

00:29:13.059 --> 00:29:15.380
money. But when the revolution stuff was happening.

00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:17.660
they managed to get them filmed and then they

00:29:17.660 --> 00:29:19.359
took it with them to met back to mexico in a

00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.740
coffin and they forged the death certificate

00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:25.859
uh they probably said santo died and yeah yeah

00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:27.720
they managed to get the movie saved and everything

00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:29.319
because otherwise the movie would have still

00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:31.519
probably been over there that's kind of that's

00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.789
kind of crazy to think because um this movie

00:29:34.789 --> 00:29:36.630
is pretty much non -existent in cuba even though

00:29:36.630 --> 00:29:39.230
it was shot in cuba and the production team was

00:29:39.230 --> 00:29:41.930
a cuban you know behind the cameras they were

00:29:41.930 --> 00:29:44.210
it was a cuban team and i think there was only

00:29:44.210 --> 00:29:50.470
one cuban actor in one but yeah other than that

00:29:50.470 --> 00:29:54.039
there's really no cuban identity yeah like When

00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:55.859
Viviana went to Cuba for a documentary, when

00:29:55.859 --> 00:29:57.440
she was visiting the locations there, she was

00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.000
asking, like, oh, do you guys know who Santo

00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.339
is? And they were like, no. They looked at her

00:30:01.339 --> 00:30:03.519
like, no. And she's right there showing them,

00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:05.079
like, a video or a picture. And they're like,

00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:09.359
no. Well, that's, you know, I mean, I guess it's

00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:14.359
part of why, you know, I guess when Castro finally

00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.440
takes over and shit, it's like, it's his country

00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.660
now. Whatever he says goes. I'm sure he was like,

00:30:19.700 --> 00:30:22.450
yeah, get this fucking. Luchador shit out of

00:30:22.450 --> 00:30:24.890
here. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, yeah. Different

00:30:24.890 --> 00:30:28.430
world, man. But what is the movie about exactly?

00:30:28.829 --> 00:30:31.170
So, Cerebro del Mal, which is the first one of

00:30:31.170 --> 00:30:33.390
the Santo Sundays. What's the movie about, Joey?

00:30:35.180 --> 00:30:37.740
How can you describe it to people? Very, very

00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:41.819
simply. Yeah. So basically there's a mad scientist

00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:45.700
who wants to take over the world and he kidnaps

00:30:45.700 --> 00:30:49.259
Santo, who is a good guy technically. Yeah. And

00:30:49.259 --> 00:30:53.059
he hypnotizes him to be his goon and kidnaps

00:30:53.059 --> 00:30:56.940
a bunch of people to rob banks, steal their science

00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:59.839
secrets so he can sell it off to different governments

00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.630
and take over the world basically. but santo

00:31:03.630 --> 00:31:05.190
isn't the only wrestler that's the funny part

00:31:05.190 --> 00:31:07.690
yeah there's another luchador massive name is

00:31:07.690 --> 00:31:11.369
el incognito who is fernando who was the writer

00:31:11.369 --> 00:31:14.730
of the movie and essentially the person who convinced

00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:18.809
santo to you know uh watching like the special

00:31:18.809 --> 00:31:22.430
features on the on the the blu -ray sorry of

00:31:22.430 --> 00:31:24.890
this it was kind of cool that i didn't know that

00:31:24.890 --> 00:31:27.349
he was a wrestler in his own right came over

00:31:27.349 --> 00:31:30.809
from spain to venezuela landed in mexico and

00:31:30.809 --> 00:31:33.289
then realized yo Mexico has this shit online.

00:31:33.450 --> 00:31:36.890
We got to put this shit in movies. And he basically

00:31:36.890 --> 00:31:39.569
turned his career from a luchador into a movie

00:31:39.569 --> 00:31:42.130
producer. Because he saw the writing on the wall

00:31:42.130 --> 00:31:43.950
and said, yeah, Mexico's going to eat this shit

00:31:43.950 --> 00:31:46.670
up. Let's turn this into movies. He was one of

00:31:46.670 --> 00:31:48.910
the ones that really made it work. Rene Cardona

00:31:48.910 --> 00:31:52.109
tried, but it didn't work. That's right. Rene

00:31:52.109 --> 00:31:55.289
Cardona, we know about him. He did pretty well

00:31:55.289 --> 00:31:56.849
for himself. I always try to tell people, actually,

00:31:57.049 --> 00:31:59.150
Rene Cardona started it, but it just wasn't...

00:31:59.500 --> 00:32:01.839
the way people thought it was going to be. Or

00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.279
they really weren't ready for it. Yeah. In other

00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.380
words. But yeah, Fernando Alves for sure did

00:32:06.380 --> 00:32:09.680
actually manage to make it work. Which is funny

00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:11.099
because when you watch the movie, there isn't

00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:13.039
really wrestling in it. Well, yeah, that's kind

00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.099
of one of the topics I want to say because I

00:32:15.099 --> 00:32:19.339
think Jorge Garcia -Besnet eventually found the

00:32:19.339 --> 00:32:23.740
structure for Lucha movies after these two. Once

00:32:23.740 --> 00:32:26.400
the 60s came around, he finally figured out the

00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.349
formula. But these first two movies, they feel

00:32:29.349 --> 00:32:32.410
very noir -ish. They don't feel like the Lucha

00:32:32.410 --> 00:32:34.930
movie that the listeners, that you guys think

00:32:34.930 --> 00:32:38.490
you know of. These movies are not it. They're

00:32:38.490 --> 00:32:40.970
very noir -ish, kind of crime -driven. Yeah,

00:32:41.009 --> 00:32:43.190
a little bit of sci -fi in the first movie. Yeah,

00:32:43.190 --> 00:32:46.309
a little bit. But it's more of a film. Yeah,

00:32:47.569 --> 00:32:49.410
he doesn't wrestle at all in this. Matter of

00:32:49.410 --> 00:32:52.950
fact, he actually has a very minor... I would

00:32:52.950 --> 00:32:57.200
even say that... Fernando Osses' character in

00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.539
this movie is more relevant to the story than

00:32:59.539 --> 00:33:01.440
Santo is. Exactly, yeah. Because Santo is in

00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.160
there, but he's hypnotized. And then once he

00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.279
recovers from his hypnotism, he doesn't get to

00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:28.829
work. With this injection and the rays that will

00:33:28.829 --> 00:33:35.930
penetrate your brain, I will own your will. Connect

00:33:35.930 --> 00:34:20.869
the electrodes. And I think like the lucha at

00:34:20.869 --> 00:34:23.949
that time was still pretty rudimentary. You know,

00:34:23.989 --> 00:34:25.969
I think, you know, people like Gordy Guerrero

00:34:25.969 --> 00:34:28.920
who... is part of the Guerrero dynasty in Lucha

00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.059
Libre. He made up a lot of the high -flying moves

00:34:32.059 --> 00:34:34.559
in Lucha. So those moves didn't really exist

00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.059
yet. So you don't really see any planchas or

00:34:37.059 --> 00:34:38.619
any of that shit. It's just basically Santos

00:34:38.619 --> 00:34:41.000
socking fools out and kicking fools. A lot of

00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:45.639
punching and kicking. Yeah. But again, not to

00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:47.880
disappoint people, but he's not really an integral

00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:50.300
part of this movie. Like I said, he's hypnotized.

00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.860
He's kind of loafing around. There's a scene

00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:54.679
where he's just sitting in a room staring at

00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.269
the ground. for like a minute straight not doing

00:34:57.269 --> 00:35:00.530
absolutely anything yeah exactly but no even

00:35:00.530 --> 00:35:03.150
so it's like it's an interesting movie culturally

00:35:03.150 --> 00:35:06.230
and then like just yeah it's still really good

00:35:06.230 --> 00:35:08.130
like I still have a good time watching this one

00:35:08.130 --> 00:35:11.650
no this for the and it's so short too so yeah

00:35:11.650 --> 00:35:15.469
71 minutes yeah 71 minutes exactly yeah Cerebro

00:35:15.469 --> 00:35:20.039
del Mal is I wouldn't say it's a five -star movie,

00:35:20.260 --> 00:35:22.420
but it has the makings of a five -star movie.

00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.920
You get these beautiful Cuban landscapes. Oh,

00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:27.719
yeah. The cinematography is really good. Yeah,

00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.460
the cinematography is insane. The opening credits.

00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:31.320
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking of.

00:35:31.340 --> 00:35:36.480
You get beautiful panning shots overhead of Havana.

00:35:37.210 --> 00:35:39.289
you got these, you know, I mean, obviously Cuba's

00:35:39.289 --> 00:35:41.530
known for having like the fifties cars, even

00:35:41.530 --> 00:35:43.389
to this day, you know, like they haven't upgraded

00:35:43.389 --> 00:35:45.610
since the fifties. But you actually see it here.

00:35:45.650 --> 00:35:48.449
It's like all brand new ass fifties cars and

00:35:48.449 --> 00:35:51.030
shit. I mean, the buildings are nice. Exactly.

00:35:51.110 --> 00:35:53.690
Yeah. You know, they show them at the beach.

00:35:54.030 --> 00:35:58.349
He's at like hotels and restaurants. yeah it's

00:35:58.349 --> 00:36:00.829
like a rarity to see this too it's like cuba

00:36:00.829 --> 00:36:03.349
you know before the revolution yeah yeah it was

00:36:03.349 --> 00:36:05.170
cool you know to see that like i said it's part

00:36:05.170 --> 00:36:06.909
of history you know this is before the whole

00:36:06.909 --> 00:36:10.849
thing went down you know with fidel yeah um i

00:36:10.849 --> 00:36:16.480
don't know man it's it's it's hard to like you

00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.699
can see why santo had reservations on becoming

00:36:19.699 --> 00:36:21.980
you know or getting into movies because like

00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:24.400
i said the formula wasn't there yet yeah so i

00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:26.300
don't i don't think they really knew how to incorporate

00:36:26.300 --> 00:36:29.440
santo into this movie as much as he could have

00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:33.920
been yeah but um when he is in there you know

00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:37.340
i guess he's effective enough right yeah exactly

00:36:37.340 --> 00:36:39.860
and then the funny thing is too is he actually

00:36:39.860 --> 00:36:41.699
had he was supposed to wear a cape in the movie

00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:44.480
oh shit yeah they had a he had a cape specially

00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.260
made but then from what i understand besnay was

00:36:47.260 --> 00:36:49.000
i guess playing with it or something i guess

00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:50.500
he was playing in the pool with it and then they

00:36:50.500 --> 00:36:53.099
just got something like that i forgot the story

00:36:53.099 --> 00:36:54.860
but yeah basically yeah there was supposed to

00:36:54.860 --> 00:36:59.400
be a cape already but yeah the cape got up especially

00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.340
made for the movie like i said i mean yeah it

00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:04.679
is yeah but no so here he's just wearing his

00:37:05.779 --> 00:37:08.099
mask and you know his trousers that's it he's

00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:10.260
got the the mask the tights and the boots that's

00:37:10.260 --> 00:37:11.920
it i don't know if the the cape would have done

00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:14.099
any favors in this movie though it was just supposed

00:37:14.099 --> 00:37:16.000
to make him look heroic i think from my understanding

00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.019
that's all it was supposed to be he wasn't really

00:37:18.019 --> 00:37:20.300
heroic i know i know but again like i said i

00:37:20.300 --> 00:37:21.599
think that's just what it was though he was just

00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.880
supposed to look like a hero yeah yeah he was

00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:25.820
supposed to have a cape but yeah no no cape unfortunately

00:37:25.820 --> 00:37:31.039
yeah and even in um hombres infernales like he's

00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:34.239
not he's you know he plays a i guess a world

00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.820
detective i guess yeah he's like assisting the

00:37:36.820 --> 00:37:38.679
guy remember he's playing more of an assistant

00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.199
here too and there's like a line in there where

00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:43.239
he's there like uh yeah he's just a citizen of

00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.340
the world no one knows who he is he just helps

00:37:45.340 --> 00:37:47.239
out everyone both movies end like that too that's

00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:48.519
what's funny they both end like that with that

00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.579
same speech yeah same speech the same same end

00:37:51.579 --> 00:38:09.949
they leave at the airport And the masked men,

00:38:10.130 --> 00:38:13.809
what did they do? The unknown only suffered a

00:38:13.809 --> 00:38:17.829
slight wound. There go both of them. But what

00:38:17.829 --> 00:38:19.550
nationality are they? Why do they cover their

00:38:19.550 --> 00:38:23.889
faces? They are citizens of the world. Their

00:38:23.889 --> 00:38:27.909
duty has no borders. They cover their identity

00:38:27.909 --> 00:38:36.820
behind a mask to do good to humanity. There is

00:38:36.820 --> 00:38:42.400
a... He spends more time underwater than he does

00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:44.960
on land, but there's a really sick shot that

00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.519
it looked like a creature from the Black Lagoon.

00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.780
When he pops out from under the water, it's like

00:38:49.780 --> 00:38:51.900
a matchbook that's just floating and he reaches

00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:54.400
up and grabs it. I guess it turns out that he

00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:59.039
was passing kikes over to Fernando Oses' character.

00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:03.039
No, not Fernando Oses. Yeah, there you go. Joaquin

00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:06.840
Cordero, who was the villain. In Cerebro del

00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.920
Mal, yeah. Isn't that funny? So you see him playing

00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.079
this evil villain with a beard and goatee. The

00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:14.699
fakest goatee. And then in the second movie,

00:39:14.820 --> 00:39:19.000
he's this good guy with no facial hair. So that's

00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:20.659
how you know they always fake the facial hair

00:39:20.659 --> 00:39:22.980
on these characters. Yeah, I mean, you could

00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:26.679
tell most of the time. Yeah, that's true. Yeah,

00:39:26.699 --> 00:39:30.679
but, you know, there's like, I don't know. It

00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.570
just feels weird to watch a Santo movie. That

00:39:34.570 --> 00:39:37.269
doesn't feel what you expect. Exactly. Yeah.

00:39:37.449 --> 00:39:39.389
I know what you're saying. Exactly. When I first

00:39:39.389 --> 00:39:41.369
saw these, I was like, oh, this is so different.

00:39:41.949 --> 00:39:43.989
But it was interesting. Like, I was still intrigued

00:39:43.989 --> 00:39:46.190
by them. Especially the Cerro del Mar. Cerro

00:39:46.190 --> 00:39:47.730
del Mar was probably the most intriguing one

00:39:47.730 --> 00:39:49.590
out of the two. And I'm just like, wow, this

00:39:49.590 --> 00:39:52.190
is really interesting. And I'm like, Cuba? But

00:39:52.190 --> 00:39:53.750
why Cuba? That's when I learned later on, of

00:39:53.750 --> 00:39:56.190
course. Why? Because it was even more interesting.

00:39:56.230 --> 00:39:57.469
I was like, oh, and this is not even America.

00:39:57.570 --> 00:40:01.739
It's Cuba. Yeah, but you know, like why Cuba

00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:03.920
though? Because he could have gone to the U .S.

00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.039
to film in or even go to South America to film

00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.219
in. But I wonder why he chose Cuba for this.

00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:13.059
Yeah, I don't know. But I'd imagine just because,

00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:14.860
you know, it's a familiar spot, you know. And

00:40:14.860 --> 00:40:16.300
then vacation, you know, a lot of people used

00:40:16.300 --> 00:40:18.400
to go vacation over there a lot. So I think that's

00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:21.239
probably another reason too. You know, that's

00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.139
kind of when you think about The Godfather 2.

00:40:23.619 --> 00:40:25.679
They're all over there, you know. It's so cheap

00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.000
over there to live and everything, even in that

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.989
time. It's like, that's probably what it was

00:40:29.989 --> 00:40:31.389
too, you know, they can get away with whatever

00:40:31.389 --> 00:40:35.949
too. Um, yeah, because there is kind of, there's

00:40:35.949 --> 00:40:39.090
like a, I wonder if they stole shots too. I feel,

00:40:39.110 --> 00:40:40.909
I feel like they must've stolen shots in this

00:40:40.909 --> 00:40:43.090
movies. Oh yeah. More than likely. There's like

00:40:43.090 --> 00:40:45.789
the amusement park scene and, uh, and I'm going

00:40:45.789 --> 00:40:48.309
to see for Niles. Yeah. Like I said, they found

00:40:48.309 --> 00:40:50.750
a ways to get away with a lot over there. Whereas

00:40:50.750 --> 00:40:52.630
they, Mexico, they probably couldn't, you know,

00:40:52.630 --> 00:40:54.769
whether business had permission or not, you know.

00:40:56.329 --> 00:40:59.309
But yeah, like I said, it's an interesting movie

00:40:59.309 --> 00:41:02.369
in many ways. Historically, the background of

00:41:02.369 --> 00:41:06.369
the filming even. And like I said, if you haven't

00:41:06.369 --> 00:41:09.809
seen it, come see it at the Fritos Cinema. Yeah,

00:41:09.849 --> 00:41:13.210
I'm hoping that people, when they see this, they'll

00:41:13.210 --> 00:41:17.289
appreciate the beginnings of Santo's career.

00:41:17.949 --> 00:41:20.369
yeah um and which is why i think it's important

00:41:20.369 --> 00:41:22.170
that you're starting off with these two movies

00:41:22.170 --> 00:41:24.329
yeah that was the important part for me was like

00:41:24.329 --> 00:41:25.989
all right which ones do i want to show first

00:41:25.989 --> 00:41:27.889
like do i want to show the crazy ones first and

00:41:27.889 --> 00:41:30.190
save the last one but i was like nah i want to

00:41:30.190 --> 00:41:32.710
show the first ones first because those are the

00:41:32.710 --> 00:41:35.130
ones that are not only restored but it's also

00:41:35.130 --> 00:41:36.909
the way to like introduce the character it's

00:41:36.909 --> 00:41:38.349
like all right this is how he started you know

00:41:38.349 --> 00:41:40.949
this isn't him fighting monsters this is him

00:41:40.949 --> 00:41:44.110
fighting criminals yeah Yeah, I mean, they're

00:41:44.110 --> 00:41:47.289
historically important. These two, while they

00:41:47.289 --> 00:41:49.929
weren't the first Lucha movies, they spawned

00:41:49.929 --> 00:41:54.909
the formula, like I said, which became the craze

00:41:54.909 --> 00:41:57.469
in the 60s and 70s as to what people think of

00:41:57.469 --> 00:42:03.070
Lucha movies then. You know, you have Mad Scientist,

00:42:03.090 --> 00:42:08.650
Dr. Campos. Yeah, you know, incompetent cops

00:42:08.650 --> 00:42:12.070
that just rely on somebody else to do the job.

00:42:12.309 --> 00:42:13.849
Yeah, literally, the cops were kind of useless.

00:42:14.170 --> 00:42:17.849
There's a part in Cerebro del Mal where, you

00:42:17.849 --> 00:42:19.650
know, I don't want to give too much away because

00:42:19.650 --> 00:42:21.650
I want you guys to enjoy this when you go see

00:42:21.650 --> 00:42:25.429
it, but there's a scene where Dr. Campos is trying

00:42:25.429 --> 00:42:27.789
to escape, and he gets pulled over by the cops,

00:42:27.889 --> 00:42:29.710
and he's just like, oh, no, I'm a doctor. Here's

00:42:29.710 --> 00:42:32.210
my doctor's license. The cops are like, all right,

00:42:32.250 --> 00:42:33.929
fuck it, go ahead, you know, on to the next one.

00:42:34.670 --> 00:43:24.940
Fucking idiots. But yeah, so, I mean, there's

00:43:24.940 --> 00:43:29.559
a lot of scenes like that. It's fun, but not

00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.380
in the way you expect it. So, you know, come

00:43:32.380 --> 00:43:33.880
enjoy the restoration. Yeah, it's going to be

00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:35.900
different for sure. Especially if you haven't

00:43:35.900 --> 00:43:37.280
seen it. But it's cool. And then if you're a

00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.699
fan of film wars, you're going to like it. A

00:43:39.699 --> 00:43:41.800
lot of cool shots like that. Especially the opening

00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.000
scene when they're fighting Santo. That's probably

00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:45.960
my favorite scene. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's getting

00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.679
chased through the alleyway, right? Yeah, he's

00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:48.900
getting chased through the alleyway. And then,

00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:50.360
like, the shots. Remember they showed the shots

00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.119
of, like, the brass nook, the knife, the gun.

00:43:53.139 --> 00:43:55.119
The chain. Yeah, and the chain. Like, really

00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.079
cool shots like that. And then Santo's fighting

00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:00.880
them all up. I wondered, was, do you know, I

00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.260
guess, you know, I didn't really look it up,

00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:05.940
but was that really, because Santo has like very

00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:08.340
minimal lines in this movie. Was that his actual

00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:11.539
voice, do you think? Good question. I don't know.

00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.079
I don't know if it was. Because it sounds, I

00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.199
mean, you know, he sounds different than. From

00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.699
my understanding is like, even like in the other

00:44:18.699 --> 00:44:20.800
ones, it was never his real voice. Oh, really?

00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.480
Yeah, I didn't know that. It's never his voice.

00:44:23.309 --> 00:44:25.289
They didn't want to give it away. Hey, that's

00:44:25.289 --> 00:44:27.530
not fucking. Yeah, it was never his voice in

00:44:27.530 --> 00:44:29.789
the other movies. This one, I don't really know.

00:44:29.929 --> 00:44:32.130
It probably wasn't either. Yeah, okay. That makes

00:44:32.130 --> 00:44:34.110
sense. But I know in the other ones, it was never

00:44:34.110 --> 00:44:36.170
his voice at all. When you hear him talking in

00:44:36.170 --> 00:44:39.630
those movies, no, that was not him. Damn. My

00:44:39.630 --> 00:44:42.849
mind is just blown. You never really heard him

00:44:42.849 --> 00:44:46.110
talk in those movies. Well, that's a shame. I

00:44:46.110 --> 00:44:48.250
mean, I guess it's better that than the American

00:44:48.250 --> 00:44:49.809
versions where they were calling them Samson.

00:44:50.230 --> 00:44:54.510
Samson. Oh, yeah. And the imports, yeah. Yeah,

00:44:54.570 --> 00:44:55.849
those versions are terrible. Don't watch that.

00:44:56.070 --> 00:44:59.070
Samson. The screenings, are they going to be

00:44:59.070 --> 00:45:01.510
the Spanish dubs? No. Yeah, they're going to

00:45:01.510 --> 00:45:03.289
be in Spanish and then with English subtitles.

00:45:03.590 --> 00:45:07.789
So if you're not really Spanish friendly, you

00:45:07.789 --> 00:45:10.769
got English subtitles. That's the way to watch

00:45:10.769 --> 00:45:12.469
it, man. No excuses. I don't want to hear people

00:45:12.469 --> 00:45:16.559
like, oh, is that subtitles? Yes, it does. You'll

00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.400
be able to understand. When you look at the VCI

00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:24.000
releases, the box set that VCI put out, those

00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.460
are the English doves, but like I said, they're

00:45:26.460 --> 00:45:30.559
calling them Samson. It makes the movie feel

00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.420
more cheap, I think, when it's English dubbed.

00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:35.860
Yeah, like that museum one where he's in the

00:45:35.860 --> 00:45:39.539
museum. I don't know if I like Mingo Samson.

00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:41.559
Then when you watch it in Spanish, oh, this movie's

00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:44.320
fun. There we go. Yeah, I know what you're saying.

00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:46.760
Well, I think in general, anyone should be watching

00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.719
foreign movies in the native language. I don't

00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:53.739
think watching dub movies is recommended. Yeah,

00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:55.760
like I was watching The Amphibian Man in English.

00:45:56.300 --> 00:45:57.559
Have you ever seen that movie? I haven't seen

00:45:57.559 --> 00:45:59.579
it, no. Beautiful movie. But when I was watching

00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:02.420
it on tape and it's English dub, it was okay

00:46:02.420 --> 00:46:04.400
at first, but then it's really silly. Like the

00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.099
voices are just too silly. It doesn't hit the

00:46:07.099 --> 00:46:08.500
same, right? Probably would have been better

00:46:08.500 --> 00:46:10.239
if it was just in Russia or whatever language

00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:12.059
it was. Yugoslavian? I forget what language it

00:46:12.059 --> 00:46:14.739
is. But yeah. So it's always, yeah. It's just

00:46:14.739 --> 00:46:16.519
one of those things. This just doesn't work.

00:46:16.900 --> 00:46:20.780
So imagine a Santa movie in English. Go get that,

00:46:20.780 --> 00:46:25.320
man. Yeah, go get Samson. No, but yeah. So that'll

00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.239
be the first one playing at the Frida Cinema

00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:32.579
on June 15th, Sunday, 5 .45 p .m. Oh, that's

00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:34.739
another thing I left out on the other. All the

00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:36.300
rest of the screens are going to be at 5 p .m.

00:46:36.300 --> 00:46:40.599
So again, 5 p .m. screenings, Sundays, $9 tickets.

00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:44.860
This one's at $5 .45. So again, still pretty

00:46:44.860 --> 00:46:49.139
early. So bring the kids, bring grandma, grandpa.

00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.320
It's not past their bedtime yet. Yeah, exactly.

00:46:52.940 --> 00:46:54.800
Come down and support, you know, free to cinema,

00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.199
downtown Santa Ana. It's going to be fun, like

00:46:58.199 --> 00:46:59.639
I said. Especially if you have nothing to do

00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.449
this summer, it's like, hey. Come out to Santa

00:47:01.449 --> 00:47:04.449
Ana, see some Santa movies. One thing I did want

00:47:04.449 --> 00:47:07.110
to talk about actually, you know, was so when

00:47:07.110 --> 00:47:10.309
this movie, so this movie was released three

00:47:10.309 --> 00:47:12.610
years after it was shot, right? Yeah. It was

00:47:12.610 --> 00:47:16.389
shot in 58, released in 61. But I think, I mean,

00:47:16.409 --> 00:47:20.670
originally this wasn't called Santo Contra. Yeah,

00:47:20.710 --> 00:47:22.610
they had different titles. Yeah, what was, do

00:47:22.610 --> 00:47:24.449
you remember what the, yeah. I don't remember

00:47:24.449 --> 00:47:26.769
the, I don't remember the titles exactly. But

00:47:26.769 --> 00:47:28.630
they were different though. They were under different

00:47:28.630 --> 00:47:31.639
names. And I almost feel, I mean, obviously by

00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:33.739
the time 61 comes out, I mean, Santo was already

00:47:33.739 --> 00:47:35.880
like a household name, but I think at that point

00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.559
they were just like, they knew it was a mistake

00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:41.460
not to release this as Santo Contra, you know.

00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:43.280
Yeah, if I recall, he didn't even have his name.

00:47:43.300 --> 00:47:44.940
Yeah, there we go. He didn't have his name, so

00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:47.539
they put his name on there. With a sick ass poster

00:47:47.539 --> 00:47:49.039
and his full fucking shooting gun. Which is in

00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:50.820
my room, by the way. I actually have the poster

00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:52.500
right there. I think you posted it before, haven't

00:47:52.500 --> 00:47:54.460
you? Yeah, yeah. If you haven't, you know, you'll

00:47:54.460 --> 00:47:56.300
look at my Instagram. And Joey, if you want to

00:47:56.300 --> 00:47:58.059
see it, it's in the... No, I've definitely seen

00:47:58.059 --> 00:48:00.960
it. It's there. It's up there. He's holding the

00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:03.800
gun and then there's Dr. Compass. It looks green.

00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:06.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's right there. So yeah,

00:48:06.860 --> 00:48:08.539
they have to change the title, of course, and

00:48:08.539 --> 00:48:11.960
then give a fucking big time selling poster with

00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:15.260
great art on it. Yeah, the poster. I think the

00:48:15.260 --> 00:48:18.920
Blu -ray comes with a replica. It comes with

00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:22.260
a replica lobby card, yeah. The InterSanto from

00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:24.099
Indicator. So yeah. And then if you want the

00:48:24.099 --> 00:48:25.719
movies on Blu -ray, get them from Indicator.

00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:28.179
They have them for sale still. And I think they

00:48:28.179 --> 00:48:30.239
still have the set too, the InterSanto set too.

00:48:30.539 --> 00:48:32.059
Damn, that hasn't sold out yet? I don't think

00:48:32.059 --> 00:48:34.380
it has yet, no. Crazy. I think I saw it the other

00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:36.119
day when I was looking at their website. It's

00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:37.940
still there. But they have them in singles too.

00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:39.539
So if you want to just want one movie, you can

00:48:39.539 --> 00:48:41.760
buy the one movie. But if you want both... You

00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:44.000
got to buy the double pack, man. It comes in

00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.619
a nice booklet. Actually, the booklet was fucking

00:48:46.619 --> 00:48:48.460
amazing. Have you read it? Yeah, the booklet

00:48:48.460 --> 00:48:51.440
is good. um tons of tons of information on there

00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.380
about like the history of mass making the history

00:48:54.380 --> 00:48:56.440
a little bit of history of santo like personal

00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:01.360
stories like um yeah just just a well put together

00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:04.119
book like people that know yeah actually yeah

00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.440
yeah exactly shout out to indicator man they

00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.900
i mean they always put out great releases but

00:49:08.900 --> 00:49:11.960
the mexican releases the producer of the blu

00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:14.260
-rays she's awesome she knows who to pick for

00:49:14.260 --> 00:49:17.199
these kind of releases People that are actually

00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:21.780
culturally relevant to the stories to tell. Exactly.

00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.920
Shout out to Indicators, Nora. Always doing the

00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.260
best. All right. Well, you guys have heard it

00:49:29.260 --> 00:49:35.820
here. Summer of Santo at the Frida. That was

00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:37.400
actually the name I was giving them, but then

00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:41.179
Trevor was like, Santo Sundays. That works. Especially

00:49:41.179 --> 00:49:44.440
when I did the poster. Santo Sunday, Summer of

00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:48.280
Santos. Whatever you want to call it. All that

00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.840
matters is that people show up. Hopefully you

00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:56.159
guys do. It's hard to talk about this movie and

00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:58.400
not spoil it for people that haven't seen it.

00:49:59.539 --> 00:50:01.400
Don't complain, guys. We just didn't want to

00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:03.179
spoil the whole movie for you guys before you

00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:07.150
come to watch it. But hopefully, you know, with

00:50:07.150 --> 00:50:09.769
a little bit of the history of who he is and

00:50:09.769 --> 00:50:13.510
the production of this, I mean, the story is

00:50:13.510 --> 00:50:15.889
crazy long. I mean, we can go longer if we wanted

00:50:15.889 --> 00:50:18.010
to, but, you know, it's always fun for you guys

00:50:18.010 --> 00:50:19.690
to kind of discover this stuff on your own a

00:50:19.690 --> 00:50:21.230
little bit, you know, as long as we can point

00:50:21.230 --> 00:50:24.440
you in the right direction. The Blu -ray actually

00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:28.340
comes with an amazing documentary called Perdida.

00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:30.639
Oh, yeah. We can't leave that out. Yeah, we can't

00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.260
leave that out. That's an amazing documentary.

00:50:32.260 --> 00:50:34.360
Yeah, Viviana Business, she made a really fucking

00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:36.480
amazing documentary called Perdida, which was

00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.760
in 2011, I believe. Something like that, yeah.

00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:44.199
Covers the whole history of her family, Mexican

00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.300
cinema as a whole, basically. Yeah, yeah. That's

00:50:46.300 --> 00:50:48.639
the crazy part. It's like she covered her side

00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:52.590
and then Mexican cinema as a whole. Yeah. i was

00:50:52.590 --> 00:50:55.510
like wow this is an amazing documentary you have

00:50:55.510 --> 00:50:57.949
to watch it and it's on the blu -ray yeah it

00:50:57.949 --> 00:51:00.429
comes as part of the special features for um

00:51:00.429 --> 00:51:03.730
yeah it's like two hours i think right it's pretty

00:51:03.730 --> 00:51:06.489
it's like an hour 48 or something like that yeah

00:51:06.489 --> 00:51:09.250
it's pretty long but it's yeah it's extensive

00:51:09.250 --> 00:51:11.610
yeah i mean i learned i learned a lot about the

00:51:11.610 --> 00:51:13.849
calderon family there's no filler in it at all

00:51:13.849 --> 00:51:16.230
like you learn a lot in here and the good to

00:51:16.230 --> 00:51:19.650
me i love when uh people are still around to

00:51:19.650 --> 00:51:21.909
tell their own stories you know yeah so she had

00:51:21.909 --> 00:51:24.090
her uncle there guillermo memo and they're talking

00:51:24.090 --> 00:51:26.469
and it's you know he's awesome when you see him

00:51:26.469 --> 00:51:28.829
talking like this guy was awesome yeah uh he

00:51:28.829 --> 00:51:30.210
could have been somebody that would have been

00:51:30.210 --> 00:51:32.429
on the podcast for sure right oh i bet you i

00:51:32.429 --> 00:51:34.550
think because he was kind of uh he was already

00:51:34.550 --> 00:51:36.489
old by then he was old by then but i you know

00:51:36.489 --> 00:51:38.130
from what i gathered after watching that was

00:51:38.130 --> 00:51:42.699
that he was uh um I guess because of the history

00:51:42.699 --> 00:51:44.920
of Mexico cinema. Because their family kind of

00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:48.440
got shat on for the type of movies they were

00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:50.900
making. Yeah, after a while they were shunned

00:51:50.900 --> 00:51:54.139
down. But he kept it real. Guillermo was probably

00:51:54.139 --> 00:51:55.699
the one that kept it real. He's not going to

00:51:55.699 --> 00:51:57.780
back down or anything like that. He was still

00:51:57.780 --> 00:51:59.579
going to do what he wanted to do. Yeah, yeah.

00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:01.960
I mean, the family, like I said, the family brought

00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.809
sound to Mexico. They built movie palaces. they

00:52:05.809 --> 00:52:09.190
created genres of movies in mexico that became

00:52:09.190 --> 00:52:15.250
legendary you know they they um so there's i

00:52:15.250 --> 00:52:18.329
mean there's a ton of history in that documentary

00:52:18.329 --> 00:52:20.630
that i think is worthwhile for people to watch

00:52:20.630 --> 00:52:24.409
and explore actors yeah you had like uh the grandma

00:52:24.409 --> 00:52:27.070
mate she was uh she was telling you know her

00:52:27.070 --> 00:52:31.070
own story yeah um it's just uh yeah i can't say

00:52:31.070 --> 00:52:32.869
enough about that documentary it was great that's

00:52:32.869 --> 00:52:34.769
great i know Especially the scenes with Guillermo.

00:52:34.809 --> 00:52:37.010
Guillermo was awesome. Like this guy was awesome.

00:52:37.829 --> 00:52:39.610
Like when I saw him, like this guy is a guy I

00:52:39.610 --> 00:52:41.289
would have been friends with or try to be friends

00:52:41.289 --> 00:52:43.969
with if he was around still. I mean, it's just

00:52:43.969 --> 00:52:45.889
like, you know, I mean, we talk about it all

00:52:45.889 --> 00:52:47.909
the time. Like Mexico cinema history kind of

00:52:47.909 --> 00:52:50.269
gets, you know, overlooked. So you don't really

00:52:50.269 --> 00:52:52.010
hear these stories. So it's nice to actually

00:52:52.010 --> 00:52:55.829
have the people tell the real story. Yeah. Because

00:52:55.829 --> 00:52:57.710
you'll hear about the Golden Age a lot. But this

00:52:57.710 --> 00:53:00.449
documentary covers way beyond that. Oh, yeah.

00:53:00.550 --> 00:53:05.260
It goes deeper. better too i think too um so

00:53:05.260 --> 00:53:08.179
yeah you know shout out you gotta you gotta pick

00:53:08.179 --> 00:53:10.940
up that docket the the blu -ray the box set to

00:53:10.940 --> 00:53:14.300
go to go get it and watch it there's good interviews

00:53:14.300 --> 00:53:16.300
on there the booklet is amazing you'll learn

00:53:16.300 --> 00:53:19.480
a lot about um the production of these two movies

00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:21.539
yeah exactly and if you're a santo fan and you

00:53:21.539 --> 00:53:23.059
don't have this blu -ray what are you doing yeah

00:53:23.059 --> 00:53:25.559
you know throw those dvds away that you have

00:53:26.819 --> 00:53:30.019
Get rid of them, upgrade, get the 2K scans. And

00:53:30.019 --> 00:53:32.599
before you say anything, people, yes, they still

00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:36.159
sell Blu -ray players at stores. I don't know

00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:37.420
how many times people will tell me, they'll be

00:53:37.420 --> 00:53:39.179
like, they still sell these? I'm like, yeah.

00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.639
Yes, motherfucker. Dude, like at my job, like

00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.760
I bought a 4K at my job, and the girl looks at

00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:46.159
me, she's like, they still sell these? I'm like,

00:53:46.219 --> 00:53:50.519
yeah. Oh, my God. I'm like, and then she's like,

00:53:50.539 --> 00:53:52.599
it's a DVD player? I'm like, no, it's a 4K. And

00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.079
she looks at me, she's like. She has no idea

00:53:55.079 --> 00:54:00.599
what 4K is. But yeah, so no excuses. Buy the

00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.000
Blu -ray. Buy a Blu -ray player if you don't

00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:04.039
have one. Yeah, if you don't have a Blu -ray

00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:05.659
player at this point in your life, what are you

00:54:05.659 --> 00:54:08.059
doing? I'm telling you, man. Some people think

00:54:08.059 --> 00:54:11.309
they don't exist. Apparently, well, they're missing

00:54:11.309 --> 00:54:12.949
out. They're obviously not listening. They're

00:54:12.949 --> 00:54:16.050
not watching. They're not showing up to the Frida

00:54:16.050 --> 00:54:17.949
to watch this stuff, so we don't care about that.

00:54:18.070 --> 00:54:22.449
Yeah, exactly. Come through June 15th, Frida

00:54:22.449 --> 00:54:25.789
Cinema. Buy the Blu -ray from Indicator. And,

00:54:25.829 --> 00:54:28.130
of course, stay on listening to the Trash Mix

00:54:28.130 --> 00:54:31.710
podcast. Yeah, please rate, review us. I always

00:54:31.710 --> 00:54:34.070
tell people the one and only podcast that covers

00:54:34.070 --> 00:54:36.590
Mexican genre cinema. There's other podcasts

00:54:36.590 --> 00:54:38.690
that cover Latin American horror or whatever

00:54:38.690 --> 00:54:41.769
genre stuff, but we're keeping it here, real

00:54:41.769 --> 00:54:44.530
Mexico. We're giving you all the good stuff,

00:54:44.590 --> 00:54:49.010
the obscure stuff even. This is the one podcast,

00:54:49.110 --> 00:54:52.769
guys. Yeah, season two. If you guys enjoy season

00:54:52.769 --> 00:54:56.510
one, season two is going to be better. I think

00:54:56.510 --> 00:54:59.289
we've kind of figured out how we wanted to move

00:54:59.289 --> 00:55:01.849
forward as far as themes and guests and stuff.

00:55:02.750 --> 00:55:05.949
Stay with us. Tell everybody. Rate, review, subscribe,

00:55:06.210 --> 00:55:09.489
all that stuff. Repost everything. We're on Spotify,

00:55:09.849 --> 00:55:14.280
Apple Podcasts. Amazon Music, YouTube. I mean,

00:55:14.300 --> 00:55:17.139
everywhere. Yeah, wherever the hell you listen

00:55:17.139 --> 00:55:20.300
to podcasts, it's on there. Podbean. People told

00:55:20.300 --> 00:55:21.760
me, they're like, oh, it's on Podbean. Like,

00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:23.780
what the fuck is Podbean? I look at the analytics

00:55:23.780 --> 00:55:26.920
and I'm just like, what the fuck? Like, it literally

00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:29.239
breaks down every type of format that people,

00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:31.000
where they listen to. I'm just like, I don't

00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.980
even know what this is. But people have it, so,

00:55:34.059 --> 00:55:36.840
you know, it'll be up there. Yeah, we're on there.

00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.199
So, yeah, like I said, wherever you listen to

00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:42.260
podcasts, give us a listen. Rate us. spread the

00:55:42.260 --> 00:55:45.000
word of course shout out to all the other people

00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:49.099
that tune in share it and then our collaborators

00:55:49.099 --> 00:55:52.400
of course in the past and always you know like

00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:54.260
like we always say like if you if there's something

00:55:54.260 --> 00:55:57.280
you guys want to learn more about oh yeah give

00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:59.699
armando a shout or hit me up or armando it doesn't

00:55:59.699 --> 00:56:01.519
matter send us an email we'll start talking about

00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.460
it um that way but we're not gonna talk about

00:56:04.460 --> 00:56:06.900
um so what's that movie that people want to talk

00:56:07.389 --> 00:56:10.349
santa sangre or whatever oh santa sangre yeah

00:56:10.349 --> 00:56:13.510
yeah no nothing like that yeah yeah you know

00:56:13.510 --> 00:56:17.409
it's people it's not to diss on hodorowski because

00:56:17.409 --> 00:56:19.250
he's a great filmmaker but people talk about

00:56:19.250 --> 00:56:21.449
that endlessly there's no reason for us to talk

00:56:21.449 --> 00:56:23.329
about it you know you can tune into everyone

00:56:23.329 --> 00:56:27.480
else's yeah reviews, podcasts, and blogs, and

00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:29.420
Letterboxd reviews. As far as I know, in the

00:56:29.420 --> 00:56:32.380
Trash Mix world, he doesn't exist. Damn. René

00:56:32.380 --> 00:56:34.219
Cardona, we could talk about him all day if we

00:56:34.219 --> 00:56:37.699
want. And we will. Probably, yeah. People like

00:56:37.699 --> 00:56:40.119
that, you know. But yeah, if you guys have any

00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:42.579
ideas or even guests that you guys think we'd

00:56:42.579 --> 00:56:44.440
want, you know, hit us up. Let us know who you

00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:47.000
want. Yeah, and we'll make it happen, man. Yeah,

00:56:47.019 --> 00:56:49.119
don't be shy, like I said. Don't be weird. Like

00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:50.719
I tell people, don't be weird. Don't be shy.

00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:53.619
And what else? What else? What else was I going

00:56:53.619 --> 00:56:56.309
to say? yeah just don't be shy and then if i

00:56:56.309 --> 00:56:58.230
don't respond don't take it personal i'll respond

00:56:58.230 --> 00:57:00.750
he's busy he he don't respond to me sometimes

00:57:00.750 --> 00:57:04.389
guys come on relax it'll be like hours just like

00:57:04.389 --> 00:57:06.869
i told my our homie mikey like yeah if i don't

00:57:06.869 --> 00:57:09.050
respond like in 12 hours i'll respond tomorrow

00:57:09.050 --> 00:57:13.869
he's all right hey so it happens man it happens

00:57:13.869 --> 00:57:15.849
but no but yeah you'll get a response don't worry

00:57:15.849 --> 00:57:19.389
um so you know with that We'll leave you with

00:57:19.389 --> 00:57:21.409
a little teaser of what the next episode is going

00:57:21.409 --> 00:57:26.409
to be as usual. Stay with us. And hopefully season

00:57:26.409 --> 00:57:29.329
two will live up to the expectation. Yeah. We'll

00:57:29.329 --> 00:57:32.429
see you at the Frida cinema on June 15th. And

00:57:32.429 --> 00:57:34.630
if you see me at the new Beverly next month,

00:57:34.710 --> 00:57:38.210
don't be shy. Bow down and kiss the ring. No,

00:57:38.349 --> 00:57:40.210
nothing like that. No, just, just don't be weird.

00:57:40.269 --> 00:57:42.130
And don't, don't just say that you saw me. Just

00:57:42.130 --> 00:57:43.789
come up to me and say hi. Like there's been people

00:57:43.789 --> 00:57:46.239
like that. Like, oh, I saw you at Los Feliz.

00:57:46.460 --> 00:57:47.780
And I'm like, oh, you did? I'm like, I didn't

00:57:47.780 --> 00:57:51.199
see you. Like, you should have said hi. It happens

00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:55.400
to all of us. I've met people for, like, half

00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:56.840
a second, and then they're like, oh, yeah, I

00:57:56.840 --> 00:57:59.199
saw you. I'm like, what the fuck? You saw me,

00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:00.679
but you didn't say nothing? Yeah, especially

00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:02.159
at the freedom. They'll be like, oh, yeah, you

00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:04.920
know, I went. I'm like, you went? You didn't

00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.800
say hi? No, but yeah. No, but yeah, like I said,

00:58:07.820 --> 00:58:11.739
yeah. So if you see us, me, Joey, say hi. Whatever,

00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:15.760
you know. Don't be weird. Maybe that's next episode.

00:58:16.099 --> 00:58:17.699
Don't be weird. We'll find a weird movie to talk

00:58:17.699 --> 00:58:19.900
about. Don't be weird. And it'll just be called

00:58:19.900 --> 00:58:23.340
Don't Be Weird. That's the new catchphrase. Don't

00:58:23.340 --> 00:58:27.739
be weird. All right, fools. We'll catch you on

00:58:27.739 --> 00:58:31.019
the next episode next month. See you guys at

00:58:31.019 --> 00:58:33.420
the Frida, hopefully. And the new Beverly. And

00:58:33.420 --> 00:58:36.860
the new Beverly. In secret. In secret. Deuces.

00:58:59.389 --> 00:59:00.789
Yeah!