Hello, everybody. Thank you for joining us on
the Trash Mix podcast. We're on season two now,
episode one. I can't believe we made it this
far. That's kind of crazy, right? I know. What
the fuck? I was doing the math the other day,
and I was like, how the fuck are we in? We've
only done 10 official episodes plus two interviews,
but we haven't been doing this for 12 months.
I don't know how the math works on that. Yeah,
I don't know either. But hey, we made it this
far, and people have been tuning in, so I just
want to say thank you for everyone that's been
tuning in, giving us feedback, commenting, just
giving us these, you know. Just letting us know
that you guys are listening. That makes us feel
like we're doing something and you guys are into
it. Yeah, one of the best feedbacks we got late
in the year, it was the Trash Max podcast is
A24 meets Foods Gone Wild. And I love that because
I don't know which one of us is A24 and the other
is Foods Gone Wild, but I'll take that comparison
all day. Yeah, shout out to Dan for that. He's
funny. What's up, Dan? Yeah, that was an interesting
comparison. I was like, yeah, we'll take it.
But, yeah, you know what? Like you said, we're
starting off season two. This will be the first
episode. We had a good run with season one. I
think we touched on a lot of good topics, a lot
of cool movies, and hopefully the crowd, or the
listeners, I should say, liked it. If you haven't
yet, tell everyone, rate. uh give us a uh what
do they call it uh review you know do all that
stuff five star one star doesn't matter but just
spread it out you know so we can uh get a little
bit more uh ears on the show yeah exactly and
then i do be checking on letterbox i'd be seeing
people adding stuff on their watch list that
we covered nice or they actually watched it too
which i thought was pretty cool damn they watched
it right after they listen i gotta start following
more people because i got like 20 people and
i'm like i'm like the background guy you know
i don't i don't i don't talk to too many people
in person but yeah but no that's cool so that's
what i'm saying so that's what i was noticing
so people are like catching on they're like wanting
to see the movies or hey if they manage to find
the movie they're watching them so that's cool
which which ones do you think were like the more
popular ones I noticed after the Angelica chain,
when people added the Diario de Intima cabaretera
on their watch list, and then I think from what
I saw, two or three people actually watched it
right after. Oh, nice. Which I thought was interesting.
I was like, oh, they literally watched it right
after we posted the episode. Hey, I mean, that's
good. That means the show's working. We wanted
it to be. And then Un Hombre Violento, I think,
too, was one of them, too. Banger, yeah. Yeah,
exactly. Okay, so they want to see the women
and they want to see some shootings. Some shootings,
exactly. But we're going to do that, yeah. So
what do we have for Season 2, actually? So Season
2, we're going to cover kind of a couple different
topics. This first episode, we'll get into it
in a little bit, but we're going to talk about,
of course, the patron saint. of mexico el santo
but um you know we had different ideas that i've
been kind of throwing around is like uh we might
end up doing a slasher episode oh that one's
gonna be funny because i already have an idea
for that joey's gonna be exposed to some rare
slashers um We have some stuff, like I want to
do something, because we don't really talk about
where our families are from in Mexico, so I thought
it would be cool to do something like that. Yeah,
I thought that was a good idea. I was like, I
didn't think of that, but that is a good idea,
like home states. Hopefully, we had some ideas
for guests that we're going to do to do interviews.
Hopefully, that pans out, and we'll try to get
more guests on that will kind of correlate to
the themes of the shows every month. Yeah, exactly.
Plenty of cool people we have in mind, especially
Joey. Joey put down people that he wants to get,
and I think they'll be down. I hope so. I think
it'll be cool for the listeners to hear these
stories. And I think more importantly, it's better
to have the actual person tell their own story
versus us telling people about them. Yeah, exactly.
And especially if they're around to do it. Yeah,
exactly. I agree 100%. But today we're going
to get on. I mean, everybody knows who he is.
He's a Mexican pop culture icon. His image is
everywhere. It's none other than El Santo. El
Santo. One of the faces on Mount Rushmore of
luchadores, I would say. He's probably the first
one that everyone thinks of. Yeah, exactly. Him,
Blue Demon, Mil Máscaras. huracan ramirez i want
to say i was i was gonna say when when you look
at the the generic mount rushmore of luchadores
it's always santo blue demon huracan ramirez
and mil mascaras and i don't i think you'd be
hard -pressed to find anybody that would argue
against that exactly um but yeah i mean this
episode is going to be in conjunction with a
kind of a summer long uh summer of santo if you
will that you're that you're throwing over THE
END Yeah, so we're gonna do something called
Santos Sundays. That was actually a name, a title
that Trevor Dillon from the Frida came up with,
which I thought was pretty cool. Shout out Trevor.
Yeah, so we're gonna be doing Santos Sundays
this summer at the Frida Cinema, only at the
Frida Cinema. So don't think it's gonna be like
everywhere in the country or in the state. It's
going to be just one spot. Santa Ana, California.
If you want to see a Santo movie this summer,
you got to fly into Santa Ana. Yeah. So a lot
of people have been asking like, well, we need
to show more Santo movies, blah, blah, blah.
You know, I'll see when. And hey, now we got
the opportunity. Eight shows. And so you motherfuckers
better show up. Yeah. I don't want to hear you
guys say, oh, I didn't know you were doing it.
And it's like, I've only been posting it on Instagram
like almost every day or every other day at least.
So how many shows are you actually doing for
the summer then? Eight shows. Eight shows. Which
I got overwhelmed thinking about the other day.
I was like, oh, man, I didn't realize how much
that was. But I was like, nah. That means you
actually got to leave your house eight times.
I know. I don't like leaving the house. If you
guys know me personally, you guys know I don't
really go out. Not to say that I can or anything.
It's just more of like, you know, I just don't
care to go out a lot. I feel it, man. So whenever
I do go out, when you see me in person somewhere,
it's a really big surprise. If you see me at
Los Feliz, you're going to be like, what? How
the fuck? This fool told me he was going to come
to the New Beverly next month. I'm not going
to tell you guys which show he's coming to. But
when he told me, I was like, what? Yeah. Oh,
yeah. I got tickets for that. Yeah. I was like,
oh, yeah. I'm going to go to that. Just don't
tell me I'm going. Well, I guess I kind of gave
myself away. But if you see me there, then yeah.
But yeah, I'll be there at the New Beverly. But
anyway, so. So, yeah. So Santo Sunday is at the
Frida. So we're going to begin June 15th with
Santo Contra el Cerebro del Mal. June 29th, Centro
Contra Los Hombres Infernales. July 13th, that's
the one that I think I need people to put the
kids to bed, you know, a little early. Yeah,
it's like the one, like the non -family friendly.
That's the non -family, because they're all family
friendly for the most part, but this one's going
to be the one for the adults only. So don't bring
the kids, don't bring... People that are, you
know, sensitive to nudity and sex. Or offended
very easily. Yeah, because we're going to be
showing Los Leprosos y el Sexo, which is Santo
contra los Gineses del Terror, which is the Western
that Santo did. But this one has the sex stuff
in there that was cut previously or never really
shown in America. Well, it was shown in America,
but vaguely. Like, it was vaguely marketed in
Europe. The Europe market was the one that was
more exposed to it. of course naturally yeah
so that's going to be uh is is that the one that
uh that we're going to be co -presenting with
the rendezvous one oh yeah yeah alfonso he needs
to hit me yeah shout out yeah we need to get
more deets but yeah that will be the um the rendezvous
one and then july 27th so if you guys want to
see that movie with your kids bring them to this
one this one's the one that doesn't have that
sex stuff in there But it's still a good movie.
No, that's a great movie. The thing is, I really
like it. Yeah, that's actually one of my favorites,
ironically. And that's, like, ironically the
one I ended up doing the Blu -ray on. Like, everything
was, you know, even when I think back on it,
that's so weird. That's, like, the one sauna
movie that I really liked. I mean, I like all
of them, but that was, like, the one that I really
do like a lot. And I got to be part of that Blu
-ray, which was strange. Shout out, Indicator.
Yeah, shout out to Indicator. So, yeah. And then
on August 10th. Santo y Blue Demon versus Dracula
and El Hombre Lobo. Nice. That one's a banger.
That's when we get into the more kooky side of
Santo, where it's monsters and... It has a great
battle with a bunch of werewolves near the end.
Hell yeah. And then August 24th, Santo y Mantequilla
Napoles. He's a famous boxer. And La Venganza
de la Llorona. So they get to fight the Llorona,
basically, in this one. Or it's not even really
La Llorona. It's like a mummy kind of thing.
Yeah, it's a little. They just throw in the Llorona
name and they're just, you know. Well, I mean,
what Mexican doesn't know La Llorona? Yeah, exactly.
So they're like, yeah, we're just going to call
it La Llorona. It's not really La Llorona. It's
more of a mummy or anything. And then September
7th, Santo en el Tesoro de Dracula. So the thing
is about that one, I'm still trying to figure
out because. The DCP we got for that one was
for the sex one, which is Vampiro y el Sexo.
So I'm like, wait, are we showing that one or
Tesoro de Draco? So I'm going to have to figure
that one out. But that's until September. So
we'll let you know. It might change. It might
be changing to that one or not. But we'll figure
it out. But yeah. And then the last one will
be September 21st. Santo contra la Hija de Frankenstein.
Which I think I've seen once. I just don't really
remember that one. That's the one I don't really
remember, to be honest. I think I have a DVD
of it, but I don't know if I've seen it myself.
Yeah, I know which one it is, but I don't know
if I saw it more than once. I think I've only
seen it once and I barely remember it. But yeah,
so these are all fun movies one way or another.
They're all on Sundays. $9 tickets. Perfect.
So don't start saying, oh, I don't want to pay
$15 or $20. It's like, it's $9. They can't complain
at that price point, you know. Yeah, $9 tickets
in person, online. Buy them on the freetocinema
.org or go to the box office. And, yeah, we'll
see you there. And hopefully you guys come out,
have fun, bring your Lucha masks, your Lucha
outfits, whatever you guys want to do. Bring
the kids. Like I told you all, don't bring them
on the 13th of July. Maybe the September 7th
either. But, like I said, we'll let you know
what's going to happen for September 7th. But,
yeah. But, yeah, like I said, these are all family
-friendly, bringing everybody, mom, dad, grandma,
grandpa. Yeah, I'm super excited for this because,
like you said, a lot of people always talk, oh,
I want to watch Santo movies, you know. So now
is really the chance. Exactly, yeah. So people
have been asking. It's like, okay, now I brought
you guys eight. Eight in a row. Not two, not
one, eight. And this is courtesy of who? Oh,
so that's the most important part. It's not just
me bringing these movies in, obviously. It's
with Permanencia Voluntaria Arquivo Cinematográfica,
which is a restoration company founded by Viviana
Garcia Besne. She was super nice enough to let
me, you know, present these movies. You know,
she says, hey, you know, I want you to present
these movies. And then, you know, since me and
her are collaborating on a project that she's
doing. So, you know, this all intertwines with
everything. So she's working on a Lucha book.
collaborating with other people with her in this
book sick it's gonna be awesome she's supposed
to do a kickstarter for instance so once she
does we'll post it and we'll you know you know
you guys if you guys want to donate help her
out with the book get it out there but it's gonna
be pretty sick she gave me the rundown of how
she wants it to be done and i'm like oh like
i said i'm gonna help you lady yeah that sounds
everybody that's collaborating is pretty awesome
from what i saw on the email chain i'm like oh
nice she got she got a lot of cool people to
be part of the book you know I'm excited. It's
going to be awesome. A lot of writing, a lot
of pictures. It's going to be a cool book. You
guys are going to be down for it. You guys are
going to be like, where do I donate so I get
this in my hands? Shout out to her. Hopefully
we can get her on the show. She can talk about
the book and Santo and anything else. Her work
and what she's been doing. Because I do think
it's important. Because like we said, Santo is
such a huge figure in Mexico. When you think
of Mexico, you think of tacos. You think of Santo,
you know. So it's like Santo is one of the most
important figures in Mexico. Yeah, exactly. He's
very much important. And like I said, everybody
knows the face, you know. Yeah. Like when you
think of American culture, what do you think?
You think of Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, stuff like
that. Mexico or Santo. Santo. Or another literal.
Chante. There's a couple of huge names in Mexico's
history. Roberto Guinard. I'm just joking. Nobody
knows who that is. Well, they should because
we did a little episode on him. So if you don't
know who he is, go back and listen to episode
four or five. And Bernardo Melendez. Shout out
to Bernardo, you know. Everybody in Mexico knows
who he is. No, but for real, yeah. No, but yeah,
exactly. But like we said, Santo, everybody knows
who he is in America, Europe. Asia, they know
who he is. Very iconic character. And like I
said, what better way to know more about him
or see is come to the Frida on Santo Sundays.
Well, you know what? For people that don't know
Santo, let's kind of go into a little bit of
a history of Santo. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so,
I mean, like we said, Santo is probably the biggest
luchador in Mexico's history. You know, there's
not there is information out there, but, you
know, you got to really search for it. You know,
he started his career right at the turn or not
the turn, but right after the Mexican Revolution
was kind of ended, you know, so it was kind of
like a new period in Mexico's history. And Lucha
kind of was becoming a thing because Lucha as
a thing as like a as a thing. is kind of at the
century mark like it's about 100 years old is
really when you know how long lucha has been
around in mexico's um you know history um but
santo himself he didn't start until the 30 like
the early 30s i believe which would have been
only a couple years after the mexican revolution
yeah like i didn't realize it until much later
i'm like wow he was around for a while even before
the movies and all that yeah oh yeah yeah um
well you know he let's kind of go into his history
a little bit he was born uh rodolfo guzman huerta
in uh Tulancingo Hidalgo in September of 1917.
He was born right at the pinnacle. I don't know
if the pinnacle is the right word, but right
at the end of the Mexican Revolution. He died
in 1984. Pretty long life. Yeah, very long. He
got his start in Mexico City, which he moved
there. Out of necessity, his family had to pack
up from Hidalgo and go down to Mexico City. And
that's really where he got his interest and really
started to learn about Lucha Libre was when he
got to Mexico City in the, I believe that was
the late 20s. And of course, he had brothers
that were luchadores as well. Black Guzman, Jimmy
Guzman. you know they they all kind of started
at the same time he was the youngest of all of
them though so oh i don't know yeah he was the
well i guess from the i don't know if he was
the youngest in the family but he was the youngest
of the the brothers that went into lucha And
he started as Rudy Guzman. So pretty close to
his real name. And without a mask, I believe.
I don't think he got his mask until a couple
years later. And he played like the villain right
in the Lucha. So he's, yeah, he's been a, that's
kind of what I learned semi -recently was that
he was a rudo when he first started, which is
a heel. For the wrestling fans, that's what a
heel is in Mexico. Yeah, he started as a rudo.
And he really didn't become a technical, which
would be a baby face in American terms. He didn't
become a technical until his movie career started.
He kind of saw the writing on the wall where
people weren't going to celebrate a heel in movies.
He needed to be a baby face. He needed to be
a man of the people in order to be a superstar.
So he consciously made that decision to turn
into a technical later. But he had already been
a rudo for, you know, I mean, if he started in
the 30s, you know, his movie career didn't really
take off until the early 60s. So, I mean, he
was a rudo for, what, almost 30 years. You know,
that's kind of crazy to think about, you know.
Went from being the villain to a hero. I mean,
when you look at his old names, right, El Hombre
Rojo, the red man. and it's funny you say that
because i don't know if you ever noticed a lot
of the european movie posters they paint the
mask red yeah yeah i think that's where they
got it from i wonder if but that's probably because
red is you know you know color wise you see red
and you think of you know anger danger that type
of shit so it was probably by default all the
all the villains had to be red or have some kind
of red accent that's true um he also had the
name demonio negro the black demon That's pretty
sick, actually. Yeah, that is a kind of sick
name. And then he had Musielago Dos, which is
a terrible name. Yeah, I never heard of that
one. And that was a very short -lived name. He
got that name. Okay, good. So from what I heard
or what I learned was that he quit wrestling
because his career wasn't really taking off because
he had kind of lame gimmicks. And everyone knows
in lucha libre and wrestling, if your gimmick
is whack... You're not going to make it. Yeah,
exactly. So he gave up, became a construction
worker, came back, and they were like, all right,
your name is going to be Murcielago Dos. And,
of course, that didn't last. The commission was
like, nope, there's already a Murcielago who
apparently he was known for letting bats loose
in the arenas. Oh. Which I think is pretty fucking
sick. But yeah, the commission was like, absolutely
not. You're not going to take this guy's name.
And then that's where, you know, the matchmaker
or the booker was like, all right, well, here
are your three choices. You got, I forgot the
three. It was like the angel, the demon, or the
saint, El Santo. And of course, he chose Santo.
And the rest is kind of history, kind of writes
himself. But even as Santo, he was a Rudo, which
I thought was kind of crazy because I've always
thought of him, Santo, the character as a technical.
And from all accounts, he was a vicious Rudo.
Like he would fucking eye gouge you, you know,
low blow. He hit the referees. I don't know.
It kind of blew my mind learning all that because,
like I said, you think of Santo, you think of
these movies where he's fighting evil. Yeah,
he's this heroic person. But no. Back then, no,
he was not. That's what I thought was so cool
about him. But, you know, it kind of is like
a cool dichotomy, right? You think of Santo,
the look and the name makes you think he's going
to be a technical. But he was just like a vicious
ruler. I was like, I didn't give a fuck. Yeah,
but then when you look at the mask, especially
in the early days, it does look kind of vicious
looking, a little bit. It's kind of, yeah, because
his eyes are like teardrops almost. And then,
of course, you have like the angelic white accent
with the silver and sparkles and shit. But I
don't know. It's just kind of. It was interesting
to learn more about him as the years gone by
because, like I said, I never knew any. I mean,
I knew some stuff, but I didn't know that it
was a Rulo. Yeah, and just the career was so
long, too. Even before the movies, it's like,
fuck, he was doing a lot of lucha. Well, that's
kind of, I mean, we'll get into it a little bit,
but that's kind of why his career lasted so long
because he was such an iconic wrestler, but he
didn't really want to be in movies. He turned
down movies for a couple years, but ironically,
the movies is what made his career last long.
He was able to do both, wrestle and be in movies.
Like I said, he died in 84, and I believe he
retired in 81 or something like that. That was
a 50 -year wrestling career. It's crazy to think.
He was pretty much iconic from the moment he
became Santo. to the day that he died and he
got buried with the mask by the way if anybody's
wondering yep they buried him with the mouse
at his request i think i always think too like
obviously he wrestled without a mask so i'm trying
to i'm like did i wonder if people put two and
two together hey man that full moves like fucking
rudy guzman from 15 years ago is that the same
fool because he never took off his mask until
like what was it like a couple weeks before he
died and he was on a tv show um yeah he was very
secretive like I don't know if you remember.
Remember one of the interviews with Joaquin Cordero?
He's like, yeah, he would get picked up in one
car, and then he would get dropped off in a secret
location, get picked up in another car, the third
location, where he drove himself to another location,
and then that's where he would take off his mask
and then go. So it's like he was always secretive.
He was always trying to make sure that nobody
ever saw it. Yeah, I think a lot of times too,
and that's kind of what like luchadores in general
and mass wrestlers is they, you know, it's called
kayfabe. They took that shit very serious where
they protected the character, they protected
the business. I've heard stories that, you know,
they were able to fly without their mask because,
you know, obviously no one really knew who they
were, but they would take different flights from
the crew so that there wouldn't be, it would
just be another guy walking off the plane. that
nobody would even know that it was that wrestler
or whatever. From my understanding, Guillermo
del Toro, he owns a license, a driver's license
of El Santo that he got made especially. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. I think that was on display when
he did his exhibit. Yeah, that was one of the
big items right there, yeah. His little driver's
license with his mask on. That's pretty sick,
actually. That's how devoted he was. He's like,
yep, if I'm going to be driving, I'm going to
be driving with a mask, but I've got to have
a license. He got one with his mask on. But that
also shows how serious Mexico was about Lucha
Libre. They were just like, yeah, fuck, you're
Santo. Of course we're going to give you a driver's
license with your mask on. So yeah, I mean, so
before he started in movies, he had a comic.
Oh yeah, that's how it started too. That's how
the craze really started, yeah. He had a comic.
which was really popular. And then he's just
fighting these monsters and like supervillains
and like, you know, mobsters and shit like that.
It's kind of funny that he was a, he was a, you
know, you know, a technical, if you will, in
the comics, but when the comics were being published
in real life, he was a Rudo. So it was kind of,
it was kind of weird. Yeah. And then that's how
Rene Cardona, the, you know, big time director,
he got an idea to make a movie about a Luchador,
which was called El Mascaro de Plata. He wanted
Santo to be in it. He told him, I want you to
be in this movie. This is about you. It was written
for him, right? Basically, it was written for
him. But Santo said, no. He just didn't think
it was a good idea at the time. This is like
53. He was just like, nah, I don't think this
is going to do good. Nobody really wants to see
this. He just thought that this is all in the
funny books. It's all comic book shit. And yeah,
so Rene was like, all right. So he got El Medico
as his senior. Who looked exactly like him. I
think his mask was just white. And when you watch
the movie, it's super B -movie, just madness.
You're just like, what the fuck? And I'm just
like, yeah, I could see what Santo meant. It
is a little too silly, even for that time. But
this was predating Santos' career. So I always
wondered, I wonder how that would have been with
him. But no, the movie didn't do well. So nobody
touched the Lucha stuff for a while. Then in
57, 58, I believe, that's when they went to Cuba
and made... Cerebro del Mal with Santa, with
the, you know, he got convinced by the producer.
And he also got convinced by Fernando Oses, right?
The writer of the movie. The writer of the movie,
Fernando Oses, and then the producer, Jorge Garcia
Besne, whose granddaughter is Viviana, who's
the one that does Permanencia Voluntaria. And
gave you the rights to do that. Yep, so it's
all connected, you know. And so, I mean, well,
for those who don't know, How was he connected
in Mexico's cinema history? I mean, he had a
career of his own, but he was attached. Yeah,
he was married to one of the daughters of the
Calderon family, which I think her name was Mate.
He was married to her for a while. And of course,
that's how he got involved with them, you know,
because her brothers and then her father were
in the movies making, you know, a lot of movies
already by then. And that's what he learned from
them, basically, was through them, through his
in -laws. And so the Calderon family, they were
like, I mean, they're kind of a dynasty in Mexico's
cinema history. Oh, yeah. I mean, as far as I
know, or as far as I learned, was that they kind
of were the ones who brought cinema to Mexico
almost, right? Yeah, basically, yeah. They're
the ones that did it. They started building a
bunch of movie houses all over Mexico. They own
the theaters. Supposedly, the patriarch of the
family, he's the one who brought sound to Mexico.
And that too, yeah. I don't know if that's 100
% factual or not, but that's the... It sounds
like it is. Yeah, from all accounts, that's what
it points to. Yeah, very powerful family in the
movie business. Best thing I learned from them.
And yeah, and then the story goes is that...
Around the time before, you know, this Santa
movie was made, he was having affairs, Jorge
Garcia Besne. He was having affairs, and then
he was divorcing from his wife. So he got kind
of blacklisted by the Calderons, like, you know,
we don't want you making movies here in Mexico.
So Besne got some money, and then him and the
crew went to Cuba. The ironic part is the first
Santa movie isn't even made in Mexico. It's made
in Havana, Cuba. Pre -Revolution days, you know,
or during the Revolution, that is, you know.
Yeah, they would have been producing those as
the Cuban Revolution was happening. Yeah, it
was happening already. But when you watch the
movie, it's so calm still. Normal living. Yeah,
there's a very interesting history when it comes
to the production of El Cerebro del Mal. Because,
like you said, they were filming it during the
uprising in Cuba. They were filming two movies
at the same time. That's one thing I left out.
They weren't filming one. They were filming two
movies. I know. Fucking crazy. With very little
bit of money, too. Like, not a lot of money.
So whatever money they were using, they were
very, you know, stringy, you know. I wonder,
you know, do you think they shot them? like at
the same time or shot one and then shot the other
if i my understanding i think it was right after
the other yeah because when i was watching it
it had the feel of uh i know i kind of told you
about this the other day i was like i was it
reminded me of how jess franco ran his career
where he got money for one movie but it was like
fuck this i'm gonna do two or three movies at
the same time because the the two movies and
we're talking about uh All the characters are
the same. I mean, they switch as far as like,
you know, the good guys in one movie are now
the bad guys in the next movie. But, you know,
they even have the same shots. Like they recycled
shots for Hombres Infernales. Same locations.
Everything was the same. Yeah. So, I mean, it
made me think that they shot it probably at the
same time because Hombres Infernales doesn't
feel like a complete movie. Yeah, when you think
about it, it doesn't, yeah. And obviously, I
would assume that, you know, multiple factors
there. They ran out of money. My understanding
is that was one of the cases. And Castro and
Guevara finally, you know, finished their uprising
and came to power in Cuba. So they were like,
all right, pack this shit up and let's get the
fuck out of here. And then from my understanding,
the Cuban production crew, they kept the films
from the business because business owed them
money. But when the revolution stuff was happening.
they managed to get them filmed and then they
took it with them to met back to mexico in a
coffin and they forged the death certificate
uh they probably said santo died and yeah yeah
they managed to get the movie saved and everything
because otherwise the movie would have still
probably been over there that's kind of that's
kind of crazy to think because um this movie
is pretty much non -existent in cuba even though
it was shot in cuba and the production team was
a cuban you know behind the cameras they were
it was a cuban team and i think there was only
one cuban actor in one but yeah other than that
there's really no cuban identity yeah like When
Viviana went to Cuba for a documentary, when
she was visiting the locations there, she was
asking, like, oh, do you guys know who Santo
is? And they were like, no. They looked at her
like, no. And she's right there showing them,
like, a video or a picture. And they're like,
no. Well, that's, you know, I mean, I guess it's
part of why, you know, I guess when Castro finally
takes over and shit, it's like, it's his country
now. Whatever he says goes. I'm sure he was like,
yeah, get this fucking. Luchador shit out of
here. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, yeah. Different
world, man. But what is the movie about exactly?
So, Cerebro del Mal, which is the first one of
the Santo Sundays. What's the movie about, Joey?
How can you describe it to people? Very, very
simply. Yeah. So basically there's a mad scientist
who wants to take over the world and he kidnaps
Santo, who is a good guy technically. Yeah. And
he hypnotizes him to be his goon and kidnaps
a bunch of people to rob banks, steal their science
secrets so he can sell it off to different governments
and take over the world basically. but santo
isn't the only wrestler that's the funny part
yeah there's another luchador massive name is
el incognito who is fernando who was the writer
of the movie and essentially the person who convinced
santo to you know uh watching like the special
features on the on the the blu -ray sorry of
this it was kind of cool that i didn't know that
he was a wrestler in his own right came over
from spain to venezuela landed in mexico and
then realized yo Mexico has this shit online.
We got to put this shit in movies. And he basically
turned his career from a luchador into a movie
producer. Because he saw the writing on the wall
and said, yeah, Mexico's going to eat this shit
up. Let's turn this into movies. He was one of
the ones that really made it work. Rene Cardona
tried, but it didn't work. That's right. Rene
Cardona, we know about him. He did pretty well
for himself. I always try to tell people, actually,
Rene Cardona started it, but it just wasn't...
the way people thought it was going to be. Or
they really weren't ready for it. Yeah. In other
words. But yeah, Fernando Alves for sure did
actually manage to make it work. Which is funny
because when you watch the movie, there isn't
really wrestling in it. Well, yeah, that's kind
of one of the topics I want to say because I
think Jorge Garcia -Besnet eventually found the
structure for Lucha movies after these two. Once
the 60s came around, he finally figured out the
formula. But these first two movies, they feel
very noir -ish. They don't feel like the Lucha
movie that the listeners, that you guys think
you know of. These movies are not it. They're
very noir -ish, kind of crime -driven. Yeah,
a little bit of sci -fi in the first movie. Yeah,
a little bit. But it's more of a film. Yeah,
he doesn't wrestle at all in this. Matter of
fact, he actually has a very minor... I would
even say that... Fernando Osses' character in
this movie is more relevant to the story than
Santo is. Exactly, yeah. Because Santo is in
there, but he's hypnotized. And then once he
recovers from his hypnotism, he doesn't get to
work. With this injection and the rays that will
penetrate your brain, I will own your will. Connect
the electrodes. And I think like the lucha at
that time was still pretty rudimentary. You know,
I think, you know, people like Gordy Guerrero
who... is part of the Guerrero dynasty in Lucha
Libre. He made up a lot of the high -flying moves
in Lucha. So those moves didn't really exist
yet. So you don't really see any planchas or
any of that shit. It's just basically Santos
socking fools out and kicking fools. A lot of
punching and kicking. Yeah. But again, not to
disappoint people, but he's not really an integral
part of this movie. Like I said, he's hypnotized.
He's kind of loafing around. There's a scene
where he's just sitting in a room staring at
the ground. for like a minute straight not doing
absolutely anything yeah exactly but no even
so it's like it's an interesting movie culturally
and then like just yeah it's still really good
like I still have a good time watching this one
no this for the and it's so short too so yeah
71 minutes yeah 71 minutes exactly yeah Cerebro
del Mal is I wouldn't say it's a five -star movie,
but it has the makings of a five -star movie.
You get these beautiful Cuban landscapes. Oh,
yeah. The cinematography is really good. Yeah,
the cinematography is insane. The opening credits.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking of.
You get beautiful panning shots overhead of Havana.
you got these, you know, I mean, obviously Cuba's
known for having like the fifties cars, even
to this day, you know, like they haven't upgraded
since the fifties. But you actually see it here.
It's like all brand new ass fifties cars and
shit. I mean, the buildings are nice. Exactly.
Yeah. You know, they show them at the beach.
He's at like hotels and restaurants. yeah it's
like a rarity to see this too it's like cuba
you know before the revolution yeah yeah it was
cool you know to see that like i said it's part
of history you know this is before the whole
thing went down you know with fidel yeah um i
don't know man it's it's it's hard to like you
can see why santo had reservations on becoming
you know or getting into movies because like
i said the formula wasn't there yet yeah so i
don't i don't think they really knew how to incorporate
santo into this movie as much as he could have
been yeah but um when he is in there you know
i guess he's effective enough right yeah exactly
and then the funny thing is too is he actually
had he was supposed to wear a cape in the movie
oh shit yeah they had a he had a cape specially
made but then from what i understand besnay was
i guess playing with it or something i guess
he was playing in the pool with it and then they
just got something like that i forgot the story
but yeah basically yeah there was supposed to
be a cape already but yeah the cape got up especially
made for the movie like i said i mean yeah it
is yeah but no so here he's just wearing his
mask and you know his trousers that's it he's
got the the mask the tights and the boots that's
it i don't know if the the cape would have done
any favors in this movie though it was just supposed
to make him look heroic i think from my understanding
that's all it was supposed to be he wasn't really
heroic i know i know but again like i said i
think that's just what it was though he was just
supposed to look like a hero yeah yeah he was
supposed to have a cape but yeah no no cape unfortunately
yeah and even in um hombres infernales like he's
not he's you know he plays a i guess a world
detective i guess yeah he's like assisting the
guy remember he's playing more of an assistant
here too and there's like a line in there where
he's there like uh yeah he's just a citizen of
the world no one knows who he is he just helps
out everyone both movies end like that too that's
what's funny they both end like that with that
same speech yeah same speech the same same end
they leave at the airport And the masked men,
what did they do? The unknown only suffered a
slight wound. There go both of them. But what
nationality are they? Why do they cover their
faces? They are citizens of the world. Their
duty has no borders. They cover their identity
behind a mask to do good to humanity. There is
a... He spends more time underwater than he does
on land, but there's a really sick shot that
it looked like a creature from the Black Lagoon.
When he pops out from under the water, it's like
a matchbook that's just floating and he reaches
up and grabs it. I guess it turns out that he
was passing kikes over to Fernando Oses' character.
No, not Fernando Oses. Yeah, there you go. Joaquin
Cordero, who was the villain. In Cerebro del
Mal, yeah. Isn't that funny? So you see him playing
this evil villain with a beard and goatee. The
fakest goatee. And then in the second movie,
he's this good guy with no facial hair. So that's
how you know they always fake the facial hair
on these characters. Yeah, I mean, you could
tell most of the time. Yeah, that's true. Yeah,
but, you know, there's like, I don't know. It
just feels weird to watch a Santo movie. That
doesn't feel what you expect. Exactly. Yeah.
I know what you're saying. Exactly. When I first
saw these, I was like, oh, this is so different.
But it was interesting. Like, I was still intrigued
by them. Especially the Cerro del Mar. Cerro
del Mar was probably the most intriguing one
out of the two. And I'm just like, wow, this
is really interesting. And I'm like, Cuba? But
why Cuba? That's when I learned later on, of
course. Why? Because it was even more interesting.
I was like, oh, and this is not even America.
It's Cuba. Yeah, but you know, like why Cuba
though? Because he could have gone to the U .S.
to film in or even go to South America to film
in. But I wonder why he chose Cuba for this.
Yeah, I don't know. But I'd imagine just because,
you know, it's a familiar spot, you know. And
then vacation, you know, a lot of people used
to go vacation over there a lot. So I think that's
probably another reason too. You know, that's
kind of when you think about The Godfather 2.
They're all over there, you know. It's so cheap
over there to live and everything, even in that
time. It's like, that's probably what it was
too, you know, they can get away with whatever
too. Um, yeah, because there is kind of, there's
like a, I wonder if they stole shots too. I feel,
I feel like they must've stolen shots in this
movies. Oh yeah. More than likely. There's like
the amusement park scene and, uh, and I'm going
to see for Niles. Yeah. Like I said, they found
a ways to get away with a lot over there. Whereas
they, Mexico, they probably couldn't, you know,
whether business had permission or not, you know.
But yeah, like I said, it's an interesting movie
in many ways. Historically, the background of
the filming even. And like I said, if you haven't
seen it, come see it at the Fritos Cinema. Yeah,
I'm hoping that people, when they see this, they'll
appreciate the beginnings of Santo's career.
yeah um and which is why i think it's important
that you're starting off with these two movies
yeah that was the important part for me was like
all right which ones do i want to show first
like do i want to show the crazy ones first and
save the last one but i was like nah i want to
show the first ones first because those are the
ones that are not only restored but it's also
the way to like introduce the character it's
like all right this is how he started you know
this isn't him fighting monsters this is him
fighting criminals yeah Yeah, I mean, they're
historically important. These two, while they
weren't the first Lucha movies, they spawned
the formula, like I said, which became the craze
in the 60s and 70s as to what people think of
Lucha movies then. You know, you have Mad Scientist,
Dr. Campos. Yeah, you know, incompetent cops
that just rely on somebody else to do the job.
Yeah, literally, the cops were kind of useless.
There's a part in Cerebro del Mal where, you
know, I don't want to give too much away because
I want you guys to enjoy this when you go see
it, but there's a scene where Dr. Campos is trying
to escape, and he gets pulled over by the cops,
and he's just like, oh, no, I'm a doctor. Here's
my doctor's license. The cops are like, all right,
fuck it, go ahead, you know, on to the next one.
Fucking idiots. But yeah, so, I mean, there's
a lot of scenes like that. It's fun, but not
in the way you expect it. So, you know, come
enjoy the restoration. Yeah, it's going to be
different for sure. Especially if you haven't
seen it. But it's cool. And then if you're a
fan of film wars, you're going to like it. A
lot of cool shots like that. Especially the opening
scene when they're fighting Santo. That's probably
my favorite scene. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's getting
chased through the alleyway, right? Yeah, he's
getting chased through the alleyway. And then,
like, the shots. Remember they showed the shots
of, like, the brass nook, the knife, the gun.
The chain. Yeah, and the chain. Like, really
cool shots like that. And then Santo's fighting
them all up. I wondered, was, do you know, I
guess, you know, I didn't really look it up,
but was that really, because Santo has like very
minimal lines in this movie. Was that his actual
voice, do you think? Good question. I don't know.
I don't know if it was. Because it sounds, I
mean, you know, he sounds different than. From
my understanding is like, even like in the other
ones, it was never his real voice. Oh, really?
Yeah, I didn't know that. It's never his voice.
They didn't want to give it away. Hey, that's
not fucking. Yeah, it was never his voice in
the other movies. This one, I don't really know.
It probably wasn't either. Yeah, okay. That makes
sense. But I know in the other ones, it was never
his voice at all. When you hear him talking in
those movies, no, that was not him. Damn. My
mind is just blown. You never really heard him
talk in those movies. Well, that's a shame. I
mean, I guess it's better that than the American
versions where they were calling them Samson.
Samson. Oh, yeah. And the imports, yeah. Yeah,
those versions are terrible. Don't watch that.
Samson. The screenings, are they going to be
the Spanish dubs? No. Yeah, they're going to
be in Spanish and then with English subtitles.
So if you're not really Spanish friendly, you
got English subtitles. That's the way to watch
it, man. No excuses. I don't want to hear people
like, oh, is that subtitles? Yes, it does. You'll
be able to understand. When you look at the VCI
releases, the box set that VCI put out, those
are the English doves, but like I said, they're
calling them Samson. It makes the movie feel
more cheap, I think, when it's English dubbed.
Yeah, like that museum one where he's in the
museum. I don't know if I like Mingo Samson.
Then when you watch it in Spanish, oh, this movie's
fun. There we go. Yeah, I know what you're saying.
Well, I think in general, anyone should be watching
foreign movies in the native language. I don't
think watching dub movies is recommended. Yeah,
like I was watching The Amphibian Man in English.
Have you ever seen that movie? I haven't seen
it, no. Beautiful movie. But when I was watching
it on tape and it's English dub, it was okay
at first, but then it's really silly. Like the
voices are just too silly. It doesn't hit the
same, right? Probably would have been better
if it was just in Russia or whatever language
it was. Yugoslavian? I forget what language it
is. But yeah. So it's always, yeah. It's just
one of those things. This just doesn't work.
So imagine a Santa movie in English. Go get that,
man. Yeah, go get Samson. No, but yeah. So that'll
be the first one playing at the Frida Cinema
on June 15th, Sunday, 5 .45 p .m. Oh, that's
another thing I left out on the other. All the
rest of the screens are going to be at 5 p .m.
So again, 5 p .m. screenings, Sundays, $9 tickets.
This one's at $5 .45. So again, still pretty
early. So bring the kids, bring grandma, grandpa.
It's not past their bedtime yet. Yeah, exactly.
Come down and support, you know, free to cinema,
downtown Santa Ana. It's going to be fun, like
I said. Especially if you have nothing to do
this summer, it's like, hey. Come out to Santa
Ana, see some Santa movies. One thing I did want
to talk about actually, you know, was so when
this movie, so this movie was released three
years after it was shot, right? Yeah. It was
shot in 58, released in 61. But I think, I mean,
originally this wasn't called Santo Contra. Yeah,
they had different titles. Yeah, what was, do
you remember what the, yeah. I don't remember
the, I don't remember the titles exactly. But
they were different though. They were under different
names. And I almost feel, I mean, obviously by
the time 61 comes out, I mean, Santo was already
like a household name, but I think at that point
they were just like, they knew it was a mistake
not to release this as Santo Contra, you know.
Yeah, if I recall, he didn't even have his name.
Yeah, there we go. He didn't have his name, so
they put his name on there. With a sick ass poster
and his full fucking shooting gun. Which is in
my room, by the way. I actually have the poster
right there. I think you posted it before, haven't
you? Yeah, yeah. If you haven't, you know, you'll
look at my Instagram. And Joey, if you want to
see it, it's in the... No, I've definitely seen
it. It's there. It's up there. He's holding the
gun and then there's Dr. Compass. It looks green.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's right there. So yeah,
they have to change the title, of course, and
then give a fucking big time selling poster with
great art on it. Yeah, the poster. I think the
Blu -ray comes with a replica. It comes with
a replica lobby card, yeah. The InterSanto from
Indicator. So yeah. And then if you want the
movies on Blu -ray, get them from Indicator.
They have them for sale still. And I think they
still have the set too, the InterSanto set too.
Damn, that hasn't sold out yet? I don't think
it has yet, no. Crazy. I think I saw it the other
day when I was looking at their website. It's
still there. But they have them in singles too.
So if you want to just want one movie, you can
buy the one movie. But if you want both... You
got to buy the double pack, man. It comes in
a nice booklet. Actually, the booklet was fucking
amazing. Have you read it? Yeah, the booklet
is good. um tons of tons of information on there
about like the history of mass making the history
a little bit of history of santo like personal
stories like um yeah just just a well put together
book like people that know yeah actually yeah
yeah exactly shout out to indicator man they
i mean they always put out great releases but
the mexican releases the producer of the blu
-rays she's awesome she knows who to pick for
these kind of releases People that are actually
culturally relevant to the stories to tell. Exactly.
Shout out to Indicators, Nora. Always doing the
best. All right. Well, you guys have heard it
here. Summer of Santo at the Frida. That was
actually the name I was giving them, but then
Trevor was like, Santo Sundays. That works. Especially
when I did the poster. Santo Sunday, Summer of
Santos. Whatever you want to call it. All that
matters is that people show up. Hopefully you
guys do. It's hard to talk about this movie and
not spoil it for people that haven't seen it.
Don't complain, guys. We just didn't want to
spoil the whole movie for you guys before you
come to watch it. But hopefully, you know, with
a little bit of the history of who he is and
the production of this, I mean, the story is
crazy long. I mean, we can go longer if we wanted
to, but, you know, it's always fun for you guys
to kind of discover this stuff on your own a
little bit, you know, as long as we can point
you in the right direction. The Blu -ray actually
comes with an amazing documentary called Perdida.
Oh, yeah. We can't leave that out. Yeah, we can't
leave that out. That's an amazing documentary.
Yeah, Viviana Business, she made a really fucking
amazing documentary called Perdida, which was
in 2011, I believe. Something like that, yeah.
Covers the whole history of her family, Mexican
cinema as a whole, basically. Yeah, yeah. That's
the crazy part. It's like she covered her side
and then Mexican cinema as a whole. Yeah. i was
like wow this is an amazing documentary you have
to watch it and it's on the blu -ray yeah it
comes as part of the special features for um
yeah it's like two hours i think right it's pretty
it's like an hour 48 or something like that yeah
it's pretty long but it's yeah it's extensive
yeah i mean i learned i learned a lot about the
calderon family there's no filler in it at all
like you learn a lot in here and the good to
me i love when uh people are still around to
tell their own stories you know yeah so she had
her uncle there guillermo memo and they're talking
and it's you know he's awesome when you see him
talking like this guy was awesome yeah uh he
could have been somebody that would have been
on the podcast for sure right oh i bet you i
think because he was kind of uh he was already
old by then he was old by then but i you know
from what i gathered after watching that was
that he was uh um I guess because of the history
of Mexico cinema. Because their family kind of
got shat on for the type of movies they were
making. Yeah, after a while they were shunned
down. But he kept it real. Guillermo was probably
the one that kept it real. He's not going to
back down or anything like that. He was still
going to do what he wanted to do. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, the family, like I said, the family brought
sound to Mexico. They built movie palaces. they
created genres of movies in mexico that became
legendary you know they they um so there's i
mean there's a ton of history in that documentary
that i think is worthwhile for people to watch
and explore actors yeah you had like uh the grandma
mate she was uh she was telling you know her
own story yeah um it's just uh yeah i can't say
enough about that documentary it was great that's
great i know Especially the scenes with Guillermo.
Guillermo was awesome. Like this guy was awesome.
Like when I saw him, like this guy is a guy I
would have been friends with or try to be friends
with if he was around still. I mean, it's just
like, you know, I mean, we talk about it all
the time. Like Mexico cinema history kind of
gets, you know, overlooked. So you don't really
hear these stories. So it's nice to actually
have the people tell the real story. Yeah. Because
you'll hear about the Golden Age a lot. But this
documentary covers way beyond that. Oh, yeah.
It goes deeper. better too i think too um so
yeah you know shout out you gotta you gotta pick
up that docket the the blu -ray the box set to
go to go get it and watch it there's good interviews
on there the booklet is amazing you'll learn
a lot about um the production of these two movies
yeah exactly and if you're a santo fan and you
don't have this blu -ray what are you doing yeah
you know throw those dvds away that you have
Get rid of them, upgrade, get the 2K scans. And
before you say anything, people, yes, they still
sell Blu -ray players at stores. I don't know
how many times people will tell me, they'll be
like, they still sell these? I'm like, yeah.
Yes, motherfucker. Dude, like at my job, like
I bought a 4K at my job, and the girl looks at
me, she's like, they still sell these? I'm like,
yeah. Oh, my God. I'm like, and then she's like,
it's a DVD player? I'm like, no, it's a 4K. And
she looks at me, she's like. She has no idea
what 4K is. But yeah, so no excuses. Buy the
Blu -ray. Buy a Blu -ray player if you don't
have one. Yeah, if you don't have a Blu -ray
player at this point in your life, what are you
doing? I'm telling you, man. Some people think
they don't exist. Apparently, well, they're missing
out. They're obviously not listening. They're
not watching. They're not showing up to the Frida
to watch this stuff, so we don't care about that.
Yeah, exactly. Come through June 15th, Frida
Cinema. Buy the Blu -ray from Indicator. And,
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um so what's that movie that people want to talk
santa sangre or whatever oh santa sangre yeah
yeah no nothing like that yeah yeah you know
it's people it's not to diss on hodorowski because
he's a great filmmaker but people talk about
that endlessly there's no reason for us to talk
about it you know you can tune into everyone
else's yeah reviews, podcasts, and blogs, and
Letterboxd reviews. As far as I know, in the
Trash Mix world, he doesn't exist. Damn. René
Cardona, we could talk about him all day if we
want. And we will. Probably, yeah. People like
that, you know. But yeah, if you guys have any
ideas or even guests that you guys think we'd
want, you know, hit us up. Let us know who you
want. Yeah, and we'll make it happen, man. Yeah,
don't be shy, like I said. Don't be weird. Like
I tell people, don't be weird. Don't be shy.
And what else? What else? What else was I going
to say? yeah just don't be shy and then if i
don't respond don't take it personal i'll respond
he's busy he he don't respond to me sometimes
guys come on relax it'll be like hours just like
i told my our homie mikey like yeah if i don't
respond like in 12 hours i'll respond tomorrow
he's all right hey so it happens man it happens
but no but yeah you'll get a response don't worry
um so you know with that We'll leave you with
a little teaser of what the next episode is going
to be as usual. Stay with us. And hopefully season
two will live up to the expectation. Yeah. We'll
see you at the Frida cinema on June 15th. And
if you see me at the new Beverly next month,
don't be shy. Bow down and kiss the ring. No,
nothing like that. No, just, just don't be weird.
And don't, don't just say that you saw me. Just
come up to me and say hi. Like there's been people
like that. Like, oh, I saw you at Los Feliz.
And I'm like, oh, you did? I'm like, I didn't
see you. Like, you should have said hi. It happens
to all of us. I've met people for, like, half
a second, and then they're like, oh, yeah, I
saw you. I'm like, what the fuck? You saw me,
but you didn't say nothing? Yeah, especially
at the freedom. They'll be like, oh, yeah, you
know, I went. I'm like, you went? You didn't
say hi? No, but yeah. No, but yeah, like I said,
yeah. So if you see us, me, Joey, say hi. Whatever,
you know. Don't be weird. Maybe that's next episode.
Don't be weird. We'll find a weird movie to talk
about. Don't be weird. And it'll just be called
Don't Be Weird. That's the new catchphrase. Don't
be weird. All right, fools. We'll catch you on
the next episode next month. See you guys at
the Frida, hopefully. And the new Beverly. And
the new Beverly. In secret. In secret. Deuces.
Yeah!