Hello, everybody. Thank you for joining us on
another episode of the Trash Mix Podcast. What
number is this now, Joey? This is episode number
10. Fuck, episode 10? That went by fast. That
went by really fast, yeah. Oh, Mike's here, by
the way, everybody. Mike Aguirre, see it on 16mm.
We'll put a sound clip of the projector. That's
perfect. That's actually perfect. Today we're
going to talk about a very violent film from
1987, but released until 1991, which is entitled
La Venganza de los Punks. I'm sorry, it's not
SpongeBob, by the way. I know a lot of y 'all
were excited about the SpongeBob movie. Hey,
I'm just saying, because people were confused
when they came in. They're like, hey, this isn't
Spongebob. Bob is Spongebob. Or Josie. What was
playing that night? Josie and the Pussycats.
Yeah, Pussycats, yeah. Luckily, people were coming
for punks, too. I was telling you, you should
have gone into the other theater and go introduce
Josie and the Pussycats. And then Hope was like,
I should wear the cat earrings to punks. I was
like, ah, she should. But yeah, so today we're
going to talk about La Venganza de los Punks.
And it's a sequel or more of a follow up, if
anything, to Entrepidos Punks, which was released
in 86. Well, filmed in 86 and released until
like 88, I believe. And I wanted to talk about
this one and show this one on the big screen
just because I felt. This one was much more better,
I guess, in terms of storytelling. There's a
lot of violent scenes in it. Overall, it's just
more fun than the first one. Not to say I don't
like the first one, but I always felt the second
one was more superior than this one. What about
you, Joey? What do you think about this one?
Yeah, I think this one is more of a... It's more
of a crowd pleaser just for the fact that there's
just tons and tons of deaths. And it's not to
take away from the original because the original
Entrepidos Punks is is is a fucking banger as
well. But like you said, this one just kind of
ups the ante, really. The the punks are crazier.
The deaths are crazier. And it's just I guess
it's kind of a product of the director himself
that which we'll talk about in a little bit.
But, yeah, I think this second one. if you're
playing for a group of friends, this is probably
the one to play. Yeah, when we played it at the
Frida, people were, like, excited. They were,
like, you know, like, pretty shocked and, like,
you know, laughing along with the jokes and stuff,
screaming at those kills. Yeah. It was just amazing.
I was super stoked with the turnout to the Frida
because, like, I didn't know how people would
be receptive to this. You know, sometimes you
get people who are like, oh, we're coming out.
But this one, people actually came out for this
one at the Frida. And we're very stoked on the
turnout. And thank you, Trevor Dillon, for allowing
something like this to happen at the Frida Cinema.
I feel like the Frida is the only one that's
going to allow us to do this type of shit. Isn't
it cool? They could play Josie and the Pussycats,
SpongeBob the movie, and by Vengance of the Lost
Punks. All in a span of a day. What theater does
that? That's why you have to support places like
this. They're playing everything for everybody.
They're not playing for a certain crowd. They're
playing it for everybody, for whatever they want
to see. So, yeah. do you think the punks turned
out for this one would you say there was one
guy in particular who doing like during the intro
when we were on stage who came out he had like
a studded leather jacket he had like the black
shorts with all the patches and stuff yeah he
was literally so studded out like it hurt my
eyes seeing the light reflect off of all of his
studs and i was just like yeah this is probably
the most punk guy here whatever he was definitely
the most punk of the night for sure yeah looks
wise at least and he won one of the uh the giveaways
right he won because he was the only guy there
that was actually waiting for the interview yeah
waiting to be on the podcast and uh yeah so let's
break down the movie a little bit let's see what
exactly is this movie about joey well i know
it's called venganza de los punks which in english
means the vengeance of the punks but essentially
what this is is um the the uh the cop from the
first movie marco uh You know, he's chilling
at home, and the punks escape from prison, which
is the first scene of the movie, and they just
go on a rampage. They kill his family, and then
he finds justice for his own family. So it's
really, it should be called Venganza del Policia,
but, you know. Yeah. I mean, they got their revenge
at first, but then, yeah, it is just mostly about
the cop getting revenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which
is played by? Juan Valentin. Who is? The greatest
mariachi singer that's alive right now. He's
not the best, but he's the best one around right
now because he's still the only one alive from
that era. I was about to say, yeah, his era is
gone. He's still chugging along. And that's how
he markets himself now. He's one of the last
of the greats, which is true because he actually
is a really good singer. If you guys ever see
him live, you guys are going to be like, wow,
this guy actually knows how to fucking sing.
And you met him. I met him twice, yeah. Yeah,
I was going to say, you had him actually see
the box. The lobby car and everything. Yeah,
he was just like. He looked at it like he was
signing other stuff for the people. And then
I gave him the lobby card. What was his reaction?
So literally, he grabs it. And then I gave him
the pen. And then he just looks at it. And he's
just like, híjole. He's just like, oh, god. Did
he elaborate more on it? Nah, he signed it. He
was cool about it. And then I showed him another
one. and he said the same things like he's just
like oh my god but do you think it's like an
embarrassment for him yeah i don't think so i
think he was just shocked you know because you
know he probably hasn't seen anything like that
for so long yeah And then the second time was
when I had him sign the Venganza de los Punks
lobby cards. And he was just like the same thing.
He's like, oh, my God. He's like, híjole. And
he can't say shit. He's starting it, man. He
got paid to do it. And then sadly, he doesn't
sing in this movie. Every movie that he started,
he sang in. But in this one, he doesn't sing.
You know, there's a scene in this where he actually
probably could have had a little song in there.
Just right after he quits the police force and
he goes to get a bowl of albóndigas or some kind
of sopa or some shit. It looked like pasolena.
He was drinking the sopa. Yeah, where they pull
up and then all the punks are coming around the
circle. Oh, my God. Okay, yeah. He could have
sang a song about missing his family or something.
Something, dude. That was the perfect moment
to put it in. Yeah, the perfect setting. That's
when he sees the punks driving up. Yeah, that
would have been perfect. I'm surprised they didn't
utilize him more for the musical aspects of him
in the movie. Because he literally, at any point
in the movie, he does not sing or is musical
in any way. And I just was like, okay, cool.
You have a... type of singer that is coming into
this and there's like no singing whatsoever like
you know well i guess there's just no time and
then with this director he was just like no we're
not we're not gonna have you sing damiana costa
the director he was a very serious director he
knew how to make violent movies so when he was
given a script of a violent movie an action movie
he was like all right Let's get to work. We're
going to do it like this, like this, like this.
Because he used to be a stunt coordinator, so
he knew how to work all that stuff. Oh, that
makes sense. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. And
then he would often injure himself, too, for
that, you know, like on sets and stuff. So he
was known for that, like just being really hands
-on, moving around a lot, very serious. He was
in like, oh, you know, sitting on the chair.
He was on the fucking set right there. Like,
all right, let's get it. Let's go, go, go, go,
go. That's dope, man. You want a director that's
actually putting himself out there like that
to make it easier for you as an actor. And there's
several movies. If you ever look at his other
movies later, there's scenes where he's in the
movie and then he has a cast on. And it's not
fake. It's because he fucking injured himself
either on that movie or even another movie before
him. Yeah, he has a cast on. And then one of
his last movies, yeah, he ended up crippling
himself because of it. Damn. Well, that's kind
of a good segue. I know Vinegar Syndrome released
this, and I think Vinegar Syndrome fans will
know Damiano Costa because they also released
another one of his movies that you screened at
your Trash Max festival. Was it two years ago,
I think? Yeah. The Infernal Rapist. Thank you,
Frida. See? Again, shout out to the Frida, man.
Shout out to the Frida. They literally could
not put Infernal Rapist on the marquee, so we
had to go with the Spanish version. Hoping people
were just like, yeah, we didn't see that. It
said rape in the title. I'm sure there was some
tia walking outside the Frida like, what the
fuck? Looking at the marquee and shit. But he's
also known for El Fiscal. De Hierro and Calle
Sangrientas, which, you know, to me, those were
the ones that really spoke. Those are the ones
I know of him. So, yeah, I mean, he's pretty
prolific, like you said. Yeah, very prolific
in action and crime. When you see his comedies
and his dramas. You could tell he was probably
just not into them. That's why they're not good.
You look at his action crime movies, those are
his fucking best movies ever. Because he loved
those movies. Can we go back on the festival?
How many people walked out during Infernal Rapist?
Infernal Rapist. I always brag about it. Like,
I had to walk out, guys. yeah yeah apparently
it was a guy and his like teenage daughter like
a 13 year old or something like that's what they
told me what an idiot that was weird it's like
why would you bring your teenage daughter to
go see the infernal he probably saw the rest
of the movies and thought oh it can't be that
bad yeah and then he watched fucking dudes getting
raped in the ass and uh but even like navajeros
on the first day and everything like that i i
will confess that on on that sunday i walked
out halfway during infernal because it was so
intense and i was like you know what dude i need
a break for like 10 minutes and they came back
to it because it was so fucking intense but it
was uh I think that has been the most memorable
screening for me, at least, because having people
walk out is like a badge of honor. Okay, so three
walkouts. Mike is the third one. Well, I don't
know if you guys saw this, but during Punks,
there was a walkout. Oh, there was? It was a
couple that walked out, yeah. I don't know if
they were offended or they were just tired or
what, but they definitely walked out. I was standing
in the back preparing the gear for the interview
stuff, and yeah, they walked out. When did they
leave? In the middle? It was like 30 minutes
in, right? It was as the kills had started. I
think it was after the impaling scene. At that
point, you're so dedicated in. Why would you
walk out? That is a great kill scene. Oh, wow.
Okay. So another walkout I can think about? They
didn't know. Oh, that is too funny. That's so
far into the movie where what's his name? The
guy that looks like Groucho Marx gets fucking
impaled. Yeah, his name is... Tito Guillen, right?
Yeah, that's Tito Guillen. He's a really nice
guy. I actually talked to him before. Yeah, he's
super nice. But it's just like you're that far
into the movie. That was like almost 50 an hour
into the movie. Yeah, almost an hour. And they
walked out at that point? I believe it was at
that first kill, yeah. It was either that or
maybe when Tarzan killed the, or not killed,
but, you know, butchered the sheep. Oh, okay.
I mean, that would probably make more sense.
Yeah. But, I mean, those scenes are, like, pretty,
like, they're five minutes apart. Yeah, that's
true, yeah. If you guys are listening, hit us
up and let us know when you walked out so we
can bookmark that. The only thing I can say is
if they walked out during the kill scene, the
animal, they ate it at least. That's always my
justification for life. They're going to kill
the animal, they got to eat it at least. That's
the circle of life. Not to be that guy, but as
a vegan, I'm going to say it. You can't get mad
at someone killing an animal on screen eating
it if you're eating a damn animal yourself. Come
on now. i don't know but i mean either way yeah
okay so now we have another one we can brag about
yeah yeah we gotta walk out in punks which is
like anytime that anybody walks out of a movie
because it is like um for me at least if it's
like oh well this is boring i'm walking out or
if it's like With this, I would take it as like,
oh, this is really offensive. I'm like, cool,
that's a badge of honor. That was offensive and
you walked out on it. You literally cannot handle
this. And that's kind of how the producer, Ulysses
P. Aguirre, was. He was not, how can I say it?
He was very open. He was just like, you know,
he likes making violent movies. He knows that
shit sells. And if people were shocked and still
pay to see it, he's going to take that as a badge
of honor. Sure enough, we did it for him. This
is for him. He'd be happy. He would be so happy
that somebody walked out and actually fucking
paid already. I mean, that's all that really
matters. Who cares if they walk out in the first
30 seconds? They already paid to get in, so the
money's already been spent. And hey, they got
to see some of the movie. You were literally
paying for being like, all right, entertain me.
At some point, you may offend me or whatever
at that point. If you were paying for a ticket
for something, I mean, you're about to watch.
punks movie um what do you think it's going to
be family friendly at that point well you know
to me this kind of it kind of goes back to people
not doing enough research on what they're going
to watch right but i think part of it also is
if you were to read a description of this most
people are going to say that this is uh a mad
max ripoff which it's not really it's far from
and i think that kind of um misrepresents the
movie and i think people go in thinking it's
going to be a Mad Max type of film. And it's
just so much more violent and more crude. I told
the people before the movie started, I think
we're going to watch a really fucking violent
movie. Yeah. Because there's like extended scenes
of Satan worship. Señor de las tinieblas, tus
hijos te adoramos y te pedimos fuerza para vengarnos
de nuestros enemigos. Y te ofrecemos la sangre
de este animal. almost like a, a, just promiscuous
type of sex throughout the entire movie. I mean,
like you have like, and drugs too, like literally
like cocaine, drugs and rock and roll. Yeah,
no, literally this movie is that, and it's like,
you walk into it. What, what the fuck are you
expect? You know what I mean? Like, it's not
going to be something that's family friendly.
Like you're going to see some fucking edgy shit.
Sometimes probably stuff of like, um you know
people getting coked out of their mind and and
rape and like this like this is a up movie for
a normal movie viewer you know what i mean but
like if you're into this come watch it There's
always another movie playing with a cartoon character
playing later in the month. If you're into that,
that's cool. But yeah, just don't expect to see
violent stuff in that one. If you're not into
violent stuff, go see that one. If you want to
see violent stuff, you go to a trash mix show.
Yeah. well that's what you want to do right you
want to give someone to remember whether they
hated it or loved it you know they'll remember
walking out because they thought it was offensive
or they thought it was something else or whatever
the case is and that's the most memorable thing
at this point i think we're so exposed to stuff
on a daily level of like even with the shit happening
in the real world so like if you can walk out
of something that impacts you enough to like
remember this it's like okay goal the goal of
what we are doing has impacted you and it's like
cool it paid off yeah i mean just like you're
able to kind of sift through all this shit of
daily life. And then here's this movie that you
actually remember a few days later. It's just
like, okay, great. Cool. That's all we wanted
this entire time is for you to remember this
movie and come to the next showing and buy tickets
to go see a movie. So at least for me, I mean,
that's the whole point really. All right. You
know, you can try it. You got to experience something
new. And I think, you know, selling it as just
a violent punk movie. I think does a good enough
job to let you know. One thing about this movie
and the first Entrepidos Punks that is a little
deceiving is that there's no real punk ethos
about it. I feel like it's kind of what, and
even to this day, how Mexican society views punk
and punk rock is kind of how this movie plays
out because they don't really have a deep social
understanding of what punk is and it definitely
comes across like that on the screen. This is
just exploitation. Yeah, that's exactly what
it feels like. uh if you're punk you rape people
yeah you you do drugs you do drugs you're an
alcoholic you're all these other things and there's
not like that real like diy ethic involved in
it or anything like that that is like actually
positive of staying away from the other shit
but you know i totally agree with you like it
it is not a full representation of like what
the punk diy ethic is entirely it's almost like
this negative thing in a in in a way to society
It's like, you know, you have your suburban values
and here's this thing that is like against all
that. This is, how can I say it? This is like
the Rosa de Guadalupe. Exploiting a topic that
you know is not like that. So in this case, these
punks aren't real. this is just what your parents
think of punks are like like imagine what they
are like oh this is punk rock i can imagine like
you know like then there's the emo episode of
rosa de guadalupe it's like these emo kids are
supposedly you know yeah so that's what i'm saying
it's like this is just like what the people thought
was punk like you know these punks are bad these
people are not you know but it's like no it's
not really like that that's just what you think
you know because you have conservative values
or whatever the it is you know because this was
the so the movie was filmed in 87 released in
91 91. okay cool yeah so this is like 10 years
after the 79 type of punk boom of stuff and like
i guess the tail end of the 80s at that point
yeah yeah that's kind of what it was booming
over there too like the mid to ladies it was
booming over there okay Yeah, because while you
think of the first wave of punk, you know, in
the mid to late 70s, it doesn't really reach
Mexico until I think like 79, 80. With like the
Clash. Yeah, the Clash, Sex Pistols and that
type of stuff. And then, of course, you got like
the fusion of like the new wave shit from America
coming from the 80s. So Mexico kind of started
off a little differently than what people think
of. punk um essentially right i mean um i think
the the first punk bands in mexico were singing
in english they weren't even writing songs in
spanish so that kind of gives you an idea of
how um punk like punk's growth in mexico went
from you know um trying to just assimilate to
a different culture and then creating their own
scene and their own sensibilities. Do you think
now, too, with how punk has kind of died out
here in the States, we still see a bunch of punk
bands coming out of Mexico at this point. Do
you think it's because we were so delayed to
that? Oh, absolutely, yeah. We still see, even
with L .A., you still see a surgence of... uh
mexican punk bands whether it's like you know
a just straight punk or like ska punk yeah it
is and it's just like you don't really see people
being like hey we're forming punk bands these
days you know what i mean it seems like it's
very hispanic influence type of like i don't
know like i i maybe because the influence was
so late to mexico and in the late 70s and stuff
like that compared to here i don't know it's
just No, I mean, that's a, that's a, it's definitely
worth exploring that because like, I mean, I
can't speak for any other city in the country,
but I know LA has a huge punk presence in like
the East LA areas. It's still prevalent. Yeah.
Backyard shows. 1000%. I mean, there's tons of
even bands that are from here in LA that are
making music in Spanish. You know, they're not
even singing in English. So I, I mean, I will
go on record and say punk as a, as a, as a as
i i don't know what the word i'm looking for
but as a thing is dead um as far as like the
spirit but uh as far as like a music genre it's
thriving here in la for sure yeah yeah absolutely
there's time there's tons of fucking cool ass
bands coming out And I think there's a lot of
bands coming out from, like, northern Mexico,
like, Tijuana. Like, border cities, too, like,
are really thriving with punk. Obviously, Mexico
City has a thriving scene as well. Monterrey.
Monterrey, yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. Is punk
dead or is it not dead? I don't know. I mean,
I guess you can interpret it how you want, but
I guess for now we can just say punk is Mexican
now. Punk is Mexican. You know what? That's a
bumper sticker and a t -shirt waiting to happen.
Punk is Mexican. Some racist, bigoted person
is hearing this. Don't be in denial. Your skinhead
punk shit, nobody listens to that shit. Well,
hey, man, look, I know people want to say the
Sex Pistols invented punk, and I mean, that's
just, it's not true. So punk was invented by
minorities. Let's just put it out there. Anyone
who says otherwise is a fool. Exactly. Punk is
minority. Punk is Mexican now. We're taking it
back. Someone's going to get mad. Someone's going
to get mad. But look, the truth is the truth,
man. You can't argue against it when you have
bands that predate the Sex Pistols that are punk.
I mean, you can even go as far as say the Stooges
are the first punk band. I know people would
just call it proto -punk because they kind of
blended more things than what punk was known
for. But, I mean, the Sex Pistols were far from
being the first punk band. Maybe pop punk, if
anything. They weren't even real punks, right?
They were super pop sounding. I'm not even a
fan of the Sex Pistols, to be honest. I mean,
I can't say I hate them, but I don't like them
either. But when I listen to them and other bands,
it's like, they don't really sound punk. They're
just like... Pop punk. I don't know. I like PIL
better than Sex Pistols, to be honest. And then
I put on Crass. I'm like, this is punk. Yeah,
Crass is punk. I was about to ask you right now.
Did you get the pre -order for the Crass? Not
yet, but I'm going to. Okay. Vinegar, but just
put out the Crass. Yeah, the Crass documentary.
Okay. Now, when you listen to Crass and Sex Pistols,
who are you going to go for for punk? Crass all
day. Even though Crass has a different sound
and they do different kind of, you know. you
know the music and everything it's like their
ideology and everything that's what punk is all
about you literally have crass talking shit on
the class saying they're bubblegum pop basically
for the masses at this point like in some of
their songs you're just like okay yeah I would
love to talk about crass some more but you know
but right now but all I will say though is for
sure is crass is punk yes sex pistols no no crass
i would consider actual diy punk yeah they actually
live to the values and aesthetics that they yeah
talked about yeah at that point you know what
i mean exactly so yeah sex pistols did not even
punk we'll go we'll go we'll go into our favorite
punk bands later yeah so people are definitely
gonna get mad well you asked during the interviews
at the frida whose people who their favorite
punk bands were yeah and i we got we got some
interesting uh uh what did they elaborate on
like i wasn't here for like the first half of
it and then i came back in and i was like but
they named good bands though they didn't name
Were they just kind of like, oh, Misfits. Hold
on first. I know you love the Misfits. We're
going to put a stop right there because I think
everyone knows that the Misfits is the best punk
band of all time. Misfits is punk for sure. Maybe
they're not punk since they play Coachella now.
I mean, that's another story there. But yeah,
in the beginning when they started, that was
super punk. Glenn Danzig made everything. You
didn't like that Coachella performance, huh?
The performance was terrible. It was lip -synced?
Not that it was lip -synced, but they definitely
were phoning it in. It was very phony. Yeah,
the set list was garbage. They were off time.
The audience didn't even look good. The audience
was fucking terrible. But it was the original
lineup, though, right? Well, it's Glenn and Jerry.
Oh, wow. Yeah, because Doyle wasn't the original
guitarist. He came in afterwards. And, of course,
Dave Lombardo was from Slayer and A .C. Slade.
I forgot where he's from. He's from like Marilyn
Manson or some shit. I don't know. Wow, okay.
But it was definitely a phone -in type of event.
Yeah, I think when they first started doing the
original Misfits reunions, like, they were, I
mean, I flew to Chicago to go see it because
I was like, I was in DLA one day and it was fucking
sick. That felt like a true punk show. I will
say that the show at the Forum was better than
when I saw them in Chicago. I mean, Chicago,
I was just like, it was euphoric because, you
know, it's my favorite punk band. Yeah. And just
the fact that Jerry and Glenn were able to...
put their differences aside and play music games
was fucking huge. But when the LA show happened,
that shit was, the energy inside the forum was
fucking crazy. So many people were jumping over
to get to the fucking front. And I was one of
those people. Everybody was crazy that night.
I was having so much. I mean, I was, I was in
the fucking nosebleeds and we went, we were like
15 deep. I was in pit and I was right close by
the, you know, the front right there. And I was
like, Oh, we all got to just jump. Some people
were getting kicked out. I think maybe before
the last two songs, that's when they were like,
fuck it, just go. Who cares? So a bunch of us
just jumped over. It was so fucking funny. But
yeah, that was punk right there. And now compare
that to what they're doing now. It's just not
the same. They're just walking around, what do
you want to hear? And then fucking... playing
some random, and then people yelling shit and
then they don't even play what, what, you know,
so. Okay. But you know what? Get the bag. They
deserve it. They fucking, you know. They've been
around for a while. Exactly. Exactly. So Coachella
Misfits or Venganza de los Punks? What's more
punk? Coachella Misfits. Nah, just playing. Venganza
de los Punks. Come on now. Let's do it. And like,
I was, I was so happy that we, we actually had
a very good turnout for this movie. Like, I was
just, I was kind of wondering, I was just like,
how are people going to respond to this? And
it just like, it felt like kind of like the misfits
and goons. This was like the screening for them
at the Frida. You know what I mean? They were
just like, all right, cool. There's something
that represents us. And then you can like, you
can hear the cheering and everything in the crowd
during the screening at the Frida cinema. And
it's just kind of like. It started to die out
when the sexual stuff started to die out. People
get weird about sex, especially violence and
sex. How are you supposed to cheer on rape? I'm
not saying to cheer on rape, but even in general,
when sex happens in movies, people... Even when
Tarzan's making love to this woman, they're just
like, you just hear the crowd kind of go silent.
You're just like, yeah, people are processing.
I do regret not recording the audience reactions
throughout the movie, though. I brought a TASCAM
recorder with me with the idea of, let me just
put record and let it. let it play and record
the entire interaction because like you said
the crowd was fucking roaring they were clapping
they were cheering they were gasping it was like
the perfect the perfect exactly what you would
want as a reaction to this movie this was one
of the more responsive screenings that we've
had oh yeah that was like more of an audience
that was what was that movie called that we were
just talking about the one that Frida plays Spongebob?
No, the Stop Making Sense or what? Stop Making
Sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was our Stop Making
Sense. I was joking this morning with Hope. I
was like, I wish we would have a Trash Mix version
of that with like the, what's his name, Luis
Miguel movie with the musical. I was like, there
were just people dancing in the aisles and stuff
like that. Well, all the Tias are going to show
up for that. Yeah. For now, we had this one.
This one did have an obvious reaction. People
were laughing, clapping, screaming. It was cool.
It was awesome. I was just like sitting there.
I had a girl's legs on me right here. I was just
chilling, you know. I was like, all right, I
got a hyena next to me. The audience is having
fun. The movie's playing is awesome. It was a
great night. That sounds like a true 42nd Street
experience. Yeah. It's just like for me, it's
just like anytime you can hear like a verbal
response from the crowd with these screenings
and everything, whether it's like the ohs or
the oohs. or like, you know, it gets silent or
anything like that, you know that people are
engaged with what's on screen. You know what
I mean? Even the silent parts, you're just like,
people are processing what's happening on the
screen and trying to interpret what it is they
want to respond to it with. And this was one
of the movies that I thought with one of the
screenings, the Trashmuck stuff at the Frida,
it was just like, this was one of the more responsive
type of screenings we've had compared to, I think
the last time I felt like this was Infernal Rapist.
Yeah, for the most part. Yeah. For the most part,
yeah. Yeah. I think so, too. Yeah. Actually,
yeah. For sure. Well, let's transition into the
actual movie itself now that we've kind of cleared
the air of what happened at the screening and
stuff. You know, as Armando said, this was shot
in 87 but released in 91. Which pissed off the
producer because the censorship is what made
it take so long. to release so well okay well
that let's go there then do you know if there's
any deleted scenes that um i don't know if there
was anything cut when it came out but i know
that they had a different ending that was it
but nothing really extravagant or anything just
the ending was a little different when it came
out which is just him walking after everything
is over but that's it but nothing was cut it
was just the movie was held they didn't release
it oh okay they just really pissed them off because
you know He wants to fucking put the movie out.
Yeah, you want to make your money back as quick
as you can. Yeah, so it was that one, and then
Infernal Rapist, and I forget what else. I don't
know if it was his production, but other movies
were being held from release around that time.
And then that's when they finally got the release
in 91. Oh, wow. Yeah, so it took them a while,
and then, you know, it is what it is. I wonder
what the crowds were thinking about this in 91
when they go see this shit. I feel like it would
have been the same now, probably. Like that night.
Yeah, probably. They were probably like, what
the fuck? And then laughing. Okay, so the movie
stars Juan Valentin. As we said, he's a mariachi
singer. One of the last greats still around.
He had a very extensive acting career as well
as a musical career. which I'm sure people would
either know him from one or the other or maybe
even both. Some of the tias I was talking to
at the shows were like, yeah, we love his movies.
I'm like, which one's your favorite? They're
like, oh, El Vagon de la Muerte. And if you guys
don't know what El Vagon de la Muerte is, that
movie is fucking sad and awful and disturbing.
It's about Juan Valentin. They're trying to cross
over to the border, and the only way they're
going to cross over is through one of those train
things. And then, yeah, they're, like, suffering
in there. It's a really brutal movie. But it's
really good. You know, Mexico and trauma, man.
They go hand in hand. People love to see that.
Yeah, it's a very traumatic movie. Very violent.
Same producer as, you know, Punks, Ulysses P.
Aguilera. Is he really? Oh, wow. Okay. And he
sings in that one, of course. Has to sing. I
think twice. I'm surprised we did not get one
singing part. I was so disappointed, honestly.
That one and Entrepidos Punks, he doesn't sing.
Well, that's one thing that's missing in this
movie is the constant replay of the song. Entrepidos
Punks. Oh, yeah, the first movie. Honestly, after
a while, I got so annoyed. So I was kind of glad
this one kind of like steps back. But yeah, I
know what you mean. I mean, it's an iconic song.
Yeah, it didn't need that or something. The cool
thing about that is, so the band that plays that
song is Three Souls In My Mind, which I guess
eventually turned into, well, not turned into,
but the singer, the original singer of Three
Souls In My Mind. leaves that and starts one
of the most legendary mexican bands at three
but by the time they recorded this uh intrepidos
punks he was not he wasn't part of the part of
the band anymore uh it was the the drummer was
singing that song yeah charlie uh yeah i got
something like that yeah he's in the movie too
he's one of the punks he's one of the punks yeah
um which i'm sure you know fans of l3 would be
like oh shit hell yeah so yeah that's a cool
little thing there oh wow okay he's like obsessed
with this movie he's like very proud of it and
everything I mean I would it's a fun movie I
mean pretty much a lot of people in the cast
but he's the main one that's like a champion
of this movie now I wonder if our other lead
Tarzan is proud of this movie yeah so he was
hard to get to interview like a lot of people
like when i tried to help in vinegar get the
interviews he was not responding to me they tried
to rid of him nothing but then like maybe a year
after they were done he was like posting pictures
of the movie and then it's like oh i wonder if
they got him for an interview after all but no
nothing i don't know but he's aware of it and
then yeah he's posting pictures of it on his
but does want anything to be a part of it I don't
know. That's the thing. He's probably just coming
as currently he's like the, the, the head of
like the Mexican boxing and wrestling commission.
Oh, wow. So he's, I mean, he's probably super,
uh, entrenched in that and busy with that. Cause,
uh, for those who don't know, Tarzan was played
by a very famous luchador, uh, El Fantasma, which
he looks like the phantom, which, you know, El
Fantasma and, and, uh, the superhero. Exactly.
Yeah. He looks like the superhero. That's funny.
Cause your brother was like, he was played by
a wrestler yeah he was like what and the cool
thing for current wrestling fans his son is a
current WWE wrestler yeah and he used to well
he used to wrestle in Lucha Underground as King
Cuerno and right now his name is Santos Escobar
who was part of like the LWO and shit like that
so I mean, that's kind of a cool tie -in there.
I mean, there's tons of wrestling fans out there.
But, yeah, he's, like, a super – I think he's,
like, the perfect person for this role because
he's, like, super buff. He has these, like, obviously,
like, wrestling -styled clothing and mask. He
actually looks like the Shockmaster for those
who know who Shockmaster is in WWE. I'll pull
up a picture for you guys to see afterwards.
You guys will bust a gut laughing at that shit.
He looks exactly like him. Yeah. You'll see.
Once we're done recording, I'll show you. You're
going to fucking die laughing. And then we have
Olga Rios, who plays Jarocha, who plays a pretty
big, important part of this movie. She's the
one that breaks them out of the prison in the
beginning, right? Yeah, her and the other girls.
They helped her break the guys out. And then
some of the girls were in the jail, too. They
put a fucking bomb against the wall and just
blow that shit up. They made it look so easy.
Like, damn, is that how you get out of prison?
Or jail? I mean, in Mexico, probably. They got,
like, a dobo building, too. Yeah, which is funny,
because it was, like, so quick. It's like, damn,
that was quick. It also has Bruno Rey in this
movie, who's another very prolific Mexican actor.
He plays, what is it, a commissioner? Maybe just
like the sergeant or lieutenant or something.
And then he gives this speech, remember, after
Marcos' family's killed? He's the one that gives
that speech about society and all this other
stuff. Well, that's one of the things I wanted
to talk about because this movie kind of has
a weird thing where it's like they paint the
police to be like... These saints where they're
damned if they do, damned if they don't type
of shit. And that people need to respect the
police more because their job is too hard for
society to understand and shit. Which I thought
was a little weird. Police sympathy in a movie
that's about people killing each other. But I
guess it plays in when our lead decides he wants
to quit the police force and go on his own. Revenge.
revenge seeking thrill. The response we've gotten
from a lot of people in the audience for the
movie when we screened it at the Frida was it
reminded them Death Wish 3. That was another
thing, yeah. A lot of people were saying Death
Wish. I've never seen Death Wish 3. You've never
seen Death Wish 3? What? Oh, man. Yeah, we've
got to watch that. We'll watch it after. Yeah,
we've got to watch that. I would say over 2 or
1, I would rather watch Death... Death Wish 3
over 1 and 2. Well, Death Wish 1 is kind of hard
to swallow sometimes because it's so intense
and it's so in your face. 2 is even worse. Yeah,
with like a 20 minute rape scene at the beginning.
2 is super brutal. 3, I think, is when it becomes
part of the canon universe as far as what the
canon is known for. It felt like a comic book.
It plays exactly like this movie because it...
There's no real through line to all the killings.
It's just like this person dies, then this person
dies, then this person dies, and then the next
and next and next. And then here's Bronson being
like, all right, let me kill these punks. Exactly.
Let me just kind of senseless. It's almost like
a tit -for -tat type of thing without real storyline
within Death Wish 3. Death Wish 3, it felt very
throwaway, but it's very entertaining. Yeah,
no, absolutely. Death Wish 3 is highly entertaining.
I know some people would say that part four and
part five are better, which is crazy to me. Michael
Park's one, though, from part five was pretty
good, though. Part five is fun. I liked five
more than four. But I think if you're watching
Death Wish to be like, let's have fun with the
homies, you're putting part three on. Yeah. And
like you said, Venganza de los Punks is exactly
that. If you want to have fun with your friends.
Yeah. uh you're watching vegans out of those
punks because it's just a systematic like kill
after kill after kill after kill you've never
seen part three man no Oh, man. It's like the
white people version of Revenge of the Punx.
Yeah. I mean, just look at the pictures I'm looking
at right now. I'm like, yeah, they probably were
inspired by this. There's a scene where it is
full of fucking Charles Bronson. Not to go on
a tangent here, but Charles Bronson gets RPGs
delivered to a P .O. box. And he just goes and
picks them up and just starts fucking RPGing.
Yeah. One of the final scenes is with the RPG.
And then he gets that elephant hunting gun. I
forgot what it's called. He calls it Wiley. yeah
he's uh wiling's here and he goes and picks it
up at like a ups or something and uh yeah no
i i just like i i noticed the response from a
lot of the people in the audience we're saying
that yeah it's death was trained it's it's kind
of like that it's just like it's not very like
a um well death wish 3 is kind of like um bronson
has experienced stuff through one and two that
were personal to him with family trauma people
dying and everything like that and three just
felt like he was this entity going through just
fighting these punks and this is what it kind
of felt with valentine during it just like just
he's i've experienced all this stuff in some
way in this movie revenge of the punks in the
first like 20 minutes it's like him processing
and just being like i'm just going through as
this entity killing off all these punks and it
just felt like within 20 minutes He was able
to do what Charles Bronson experienced through
Death Wish 1 and 2. Yeah. Well, I mean, you go
through a speed run because he literally watches
his wife, daughter, and all his friends get fucking
slaughtered by these fucking punks. They put
them in a room, rape them, and then fucking blast
the shit out of them. It's kind of crazy. I mean,
it's like Squib City in there, man. They were
getting shot to shit in that fucking scene. And
that's what really sets him up to become the
Bronson -type character. He doesn't give a fuck
anymore. He's over -pretending that he has to
go through the proper channels. He's just going
to fucking kill some punks. It felt fucking overdrive
for me in this movie at the point where he started
bringing out the flamethrower. Oh, yeah. And
burning one of the punks. And I was just like,
okay, cool. You see this in movies where people
start burning dummies or whatever. But this guy
was actually getting half of his body burned
in the movie. And then you see it transition.
You see it cut, and it goes back to his face
and his reaction. You're just like, all right,
he's going to burn this guy the whole way through.
It's about to be a doll or whatever. And then
you go back, and it's still the same actor getting
burned the entire way. You're just like, holy
shit, okay. This was a risky -ass scene, and
it fucking pays off. Because at that point, I
felt like it brought a lot of the audience into
that movie, being like, oh, this is cool. Well,
I think that, to me, that's my favorite kill
in the movie because, like you said, his facial
expressions when he's burning them, you actually
find. see whatever he was searching for he found
it in that moment yeah you know he's he's grinning
he's smiling you can tell he's enjoying That
he's finally able to bring vengeance for his
dead wife and dead daughter. And he started to
fall off at that point. Every other kill beyond
that point was him. Well, he got sloppy after
that part. Yeah, he was getting sloppy. And then
the facial reactions were just kind of like psychotic
at that point. He chops off one head off. And
it's, of course, the guy with the fucking spikes
with the fucking foil on him. The only punk that
had a real name. Everyone else was Manotes, Loco.
name was Beto Beto from East LA Boyle Heights
that's right that's right Dead City Punk his
death was kind of cool too that was probably
the most like I guess like resemble to like an
80s like slasher where you know like a Friday
the 13th kill where a guy gets his head chopped
off he's just looking around and then whoosh
and then you could see his liberty spikes like
you know moving in the air and shit um yeah i
mean essentially after um marco decides he's
gonna quit the police force and go you know get
vengeance um it's uh what was i saying i lost
my train of thought um that's what That's when
he decides he's just going to go after them,
remember? Because he comes across them. He doesn't
even look for them. He just comes across them,
remember? Yeah, yeah. After everything that's
happened, he's, like, already debating, like,
I'm going to leave the force. So I'm going to
take a break. I'm going to go on a vacation.
And then that's when he sees the punks all of
a sudden. He's like, oh, shit, they're the others.
Oh, yeah, they're all, like, driving through
the town. Yeah, they just happen to be driving
by where he was at. And he's like, all right,
you know what? I'm just going to go after them.
Fuck it. That's when he goes, and he does what
he does. just systematically uh kills one after
the other fuck the system i'm just gonna kill
these guys he pulls up to their lair and uh there's
like a this is this is how you know that the
the writers and directors and whoever involved
producers too didn't really know what punk is
because you go when they get to their lair there's
like a swastika painted on the thing you know
nazi punks fuck those fools yeah and then right
next to it there's like the star of david which
that was like a hilarious contrast you have a
you know uh and then you have one dude i guess
this is their their their callback to the, you
know, quote unquote origins of punk. There's
a guy in there with like the British flag on
his jacket. You got to have the British flag.
It's just I just feel like they were just throwing
anything that they they've heard that punk is
attached to like a Nazi punk or whatever. They
just do it there. It's kind of like you saw the
sex pistols with their stuff or like, you know,
with Sid Vicious wearing the swastika. All right.
This is what punk is. Exactly. Yeah, that's a,
I don't know. I think, again, that kind of ties
into them not really knowing what punk actually
is. Yeah, exactly. And why these punks are kind
of, you know, destructive or whatnot. And the
lair, they happen to be Satan. That's where they
worship Satan, too. Which gets even more weird.
It's like, okay, so they're punks. And they're
Satanists. Yeah, and they're Satanists. Like,
okay. Damn. Yeah, they sacrifice. They don't
sacrifice. They butcher a sheep. and they start
praying to Satan, and Tarzan's wearing a weird
dunce cap. I don't know what the fuck that was.
Almost like KKK. Yeah, right. That's what I noticed
in the response with the Frida. That's where
a lot of the response came from in that scene
with the sheep being killed and gutted. in front
of everybody and the satanic stuff it was just
like you can kind of feel the tension in the
room of people trying to understand it but it's
like oh is it okay to watch this or like like
I said they're just it's supposed to be offensive
yeah it's supposed to be yeah it's supposed to
shock you that's the whole point it's an exploitation
movie yeah and then so well let me ask you guys
you know like as we've been saying for the past
40 minutes this is just like a systematic kill
after kill after kill after kill so I forgot.
Let me see. I have them listed here. How many
kills are there? There's one, two, three, four,
five, six, seven. And I guess, well, seven that
they show on screen. And then, of course, all
the other henchmen that died in the shootout.
So out of the seven main kills in this movie,
I'm going to ask you the same thing I asked the
people at the Frida. Which ones were your favorite
kills? For me was the one where he you know,
he puts the guy and then that metal bar goes
through his mouth. No, that was a He tried to
Start like a rift in the group and I will try
to kill Tarzan. Yeah, he was like trying to yeah
Yeah La coca y la mota siempre la administra.
A nosotros nos deja puras bachas. A nosotros
nos tiene chupando cervezas y él se toma el buen
vino. Muerto el Tarzán, tú serías el jefe, mi
rey. ¿Serías capaz de matarlo, Hal? Sí, Medusa.
Te aseguro que toda la banda me seguiría. Pero
si te le enfrentas al Tarzán... And the way they
did it too, they make it look real. They actually
did a pretty good job making it look as real
as possible. That was a good response from the
crowd too. Yeah, I already had a feeling. I was
like, oh, people are going to get fucking crazy
with this one. And yeah, that one was good. And
then obviously the one where he chops the guy's
head off and you see the spikes. You know, it's
like, okay, they knew what they were doing. See,
this is Damian Acosta right here. He knew what
he was fucking doing. And what about you, Mikey?
I have a phobia of snakes. So, like, anytime
I see snakes on screen, whether it's, like, even
when, like, Instagram reels or TikTok reels,
when I see snakes or people handling snakes and
stuff, like, that is the most uneasiest, I feel.
visually when i see snakes so of course it's
going to be the scene where the dude is like
basically in a well and being uh snakes poured
on him but like i just wish that scene though
was a little bit more like gruesome gruesome
like you can see the snakes like biting him or
like or even if it's like a fake prosthetic and
like a rattlesnake like biting into his skin
and stuff but like the imagery for me enough
on that scene it was just like okay that that
that made me feel uneasy but that's because of
my own uh uh uh feelings about reptiles and snakes
and stuff like that like yeah i am i am terrified
of snakes and jump scares and no no and sharks
and sharks and sharks like the two things that
you you will never come in contact yeah it was
just like yeah i don't think i've ever seen you
at a beach or in the hiking with snakes and it
was just like yeah no the snakes and sharks i
don't know what it is i can't look like i have
a hard time even now today like looking at pictures
of like great white sharks with their mouths
on pictures like it just like it makes me so
uneasy and it's just like Anyways, I don't want
to get into it, but, like, yeah. Snakes and sharks.
I just have a hard time with them. All right.
So snake killing scared you. Wow. Yeah. And there
wasn't even that many snakes in the movie. There
was only three snakes or something. It's just
like you just see him dump the snakes into the
well, but it's just like the imagery and my own
fears of like, oh, man, they bite him on the
ankle. They bite him on the fucking calf or whatever
because you don't actually see it in the movie.
That made me uneasy still. I'm just like wondering
where they bit him because he dies from the poisoning,
obviously. And he's handcuffed, too. He has like
no chance of getting out. No, not at all. I thought
the, as we said, the fire scene when he's burning
the guy alive, that, between that and when he
dumps the acid on the girl. Those two were, because
after, like we said, after the fire kill, he
didn't give a fuck anymore. So he was just like,
because he was, like we said, he got sloppy.
He was getting shot at. He got shot in the shoulder
and was just like, all right, fuck, I'm just
going to dump this fucking acid on this chick's
face. I thought those two were the most. gruesome
on -screen kills, I would say. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, the acid one especially. Just the reaction
and then the actress's face. It's so genuine
looking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the makeup
effect too. It didn't even look really too fake
or anything. It looked kind of like... No, it
looked good. You can actually see it bubbling
and turning colors and stuff. And again, like
I said, this is the director. He's like, we're
going to make this as real as we can. We're not
going to just, oh, you know, make it look like,
you know, she got it. It's like, no, we're going
to make it look like she is getting acid on her
face. And then all of that led to, spoiler alert,
Marco kills Tarzan. Tarzan does die. Honestly,
that's probably my favorite one. Yeah, huh? The
way that's set up and everything, he's like,
kill me, kill me. And he's like, all right, I'm
going to do it, you know. And then that's when
you see him. He's hanging him upside down. He's
got his big -ass fucking knife, and he plucks
his eyes out. My only problem with that was that.
They made Tarzan look like such a little bitch.
Like, he should have put up more of a fight,
man. Especially when he's coming. He's, like,
he's approaching him. You would think, like,
at the end of what he thinks is going to be his
life, like, grab him or try to submit him in
some kind of way. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
I guess what it was, he probably just didn't
even care at that point. He was probably, whatever,
I'm done. He's done. He's coked out. Hungover.
You know how these punks are, apparently. They're
intoxicated. But, yeah. Yeah, he just fucking
kills them. I was like, oh. And then the reaction
with Juan Valentin, he's just like, you know,
laughing. I was like, oh, this is great. And
that scene, that fool, he looked just like my
Theo Victor. Like, I mean, identical to that.
I can't watch that movie without thinking of
my Theo. Oh, shit. It looks fucking identical
to that. For the mustache, the hair, the dark
skin. Yeah, Juan Valentin looks like a lot of...
mexican uncles and dad like if you guys ever
see him in person you're gonna be like oh yeah
this guy is like chill like this is a guy that
you probably would see next door or something
didn't i see him at the carne asada at my tia's
house last week um but then it leads to our you
know the official ending of the movie and i don't
know i mean uh spoiler alert you know if you
haven't watched it go watch it before you listen
to this last part if you don't want a spoiler
but What the fuck was that? Was it all just a
dream? It could have been a premonition of what's
to come. I don't know. That's exactly like the
response from the crowd at the Frida. It was
just like, oh. Like they were let down a little
bit. We were sitting next to our friends in the
theater and they were just like, what? you know
just like because it like for a lot of people
that is like a cop -out yeah where it's a dream
or whatever and it's just kind of like i thought
the same thing too if this was like This was
a dream of something that was actually about
to happen. A premonition. But I think it's a
premonition because remember the wife's like,
oh, we got to get ready for the girl's birthday
party. Okay, so it's probably just a premonition.
Which is weird enough because I had something
similar this week where I got in an argument
with my management at my day job. And literally
last night, I woke up this morning. Hope woke
me up. She was like, you were yelling at someone
in your sleep. Damn. And it was just like, I've
been frustrated with the management. Fuck you,
motherfucker. I want that raise, bitch. I've
been frustrated with the management of my work,
and it translated into my dreams. But you don't
remember having a dream of it? No. I woke up.
She woke me up at 4 or 5 in the morning, and
she was like, you were yelling at people at your
dream. And I guess I told her, I was like, yeah,
I was yelling at someone for my work. and i just
had a meeting on wednesday with the management
of my work that i was frustrated about and it
was just kind of like one of those things is
like are you dreaming of something because you
know how the outcome is going to be or you're
anticipating the outcome to be like maybe he
knew something already that was going to happen
he was already living in that danger just waiting
for waiting for that waiting for that day to
happen And he is waking up to that day. You know
what I mean? And anyways. So see, it's the same
thing. It's a premonition of what's to come.
So I don't think it was just a dream. I think
it was a premonition of what's to come. Because
I remember it cuts to Juan Valentin walking away
from killing Tarzan on the credits. So I'm like,
okay, I think that's what they're trying to tie
in. It's like, okay, it was all a dream, but
it was something that actually did happen to
him. So I think that's kind of what it is. The
other ending. It just cuts to him killing Tarzan,
and then he just walks away, and that's the credits
right there. So it's a little confusing, too,
when there's those two endings, but they chose
the other one as the main one, which is the dream.
I guess they wanted it to be more dramatic. They
wanted it to be an arthouse movie. Or something,
I don't know. But either way, the ending's similar.
It's like he still walks away from killing Tarzan.
All right, so the consensus, it actually did
happen then. It wasn't just a dream. Not exactly,
but yeah, it did happen. Even though it was presented
as a dream, it still is something that is just
like you're expecting to happen. I know some
people are going to be like, oh, that was just
a dream, but it's like, oh, maybe, but I don't
know. I think it's a premonition. It looks more
like a premonition. I mean, the first time I
saw it, I was like, man, because it's just like
you said, I always... Cop out. It's a cop out,
yeah. And the crowd was, at the feet of the crowd,
was kind of like, what? Which I love. Anytime
you hear a response from a crowd when you're
screening it. That means they're engaged. Yeah.
They're engaged. They have been invested the
entire time. And they're upset about it. Like,
if they weren't invested, they wouldn't be upset.
They're upset about it. And it's just like, okay,
cool. Even if it's a negative response, that
means that you were watching this entire time
and you were engaged with it. Yeah. And, you
know, with that, it's all over, man. This is
a fun one. It really is. This was one of the
more fun ones. I think even, what was the last
time we screened there? Hellstrap? Hellstrap,
yeah. I thought this was more fun than Hellstrap.
Oh, 1 ,000%. Hellstrap is fun, but this one has
a lot more going for sure. Oh, yeah. And it was
nice. Thank you, Trevor, Dylan, the Frida Cinema
for allowing this to happen, man. Like I said,
support the Frida Cinema. They're the Orange
County's only non -profit art house theater.
They show stuff like this, punks. Like I said,
there's always something there for everybody.
Spongebob. Spongebob. If you're like, hey, if
you're not a punk, if you want to see Spongebob,
go see Spongebob. If you want to go dance, you
can go dance. Go dance. You can go throw spoons
at the screens. Yeah, or see a Kurosawa film,
whatever. Like I said, that's the thing about
the Frida I like is that they have such a big
selection of, you know, they curate, you know,
whatever, you know, what the people want. I mean,
for fuck's sake, they let Rendezvous. do a premiere
of an international art house movie of someone
that I guarantee no one in that crowd has heard
of. How was that screening? It was fun. The turnout
wasn't as great, but... They played Whirlpool
afterwards. Yeah, we played Whirlpool afterwards.
But what other theater is going to let that...
I mean, you know, the director, she was able
to fly out and to engage with people there, which
is always fun. So, I mean, I don't know any other
theater that would just take a gamble on an unknown
director coming in, doing a premiere. I mean,
the Frida has been so good to us around the world.
Literally a weekend of double feature Mexican
films, grants for making sure it happens. You
don't see anything else like this happening anywhere
else, even in L .A. County. And then this summer,
we're going to have something cool with the Frida.
And like I said, I chose the Frida, too, because,
again, I felt the Frida deserved this more than
anywhere else. Are we going to save this for
later to unveil? okay yeah but we'll just say
yeah the freedom that's it so yeah so yeah so
i guess they'll find out about it eventually
so so like i said yeah we're gonna do something
cool at the frida again like i said because again
they're the one theater that really fucks with
us you know they're really cool with us and they
know what they're doing the one theater i trust
All right, so now the final question. I mean,
I trust other theaters, but yeah, you know what
I mean. That's Trash Mix home base for us. That's
always been the home base for sure. Yeah, exactly.
All right, so the final question for the three
of us, and we'll go in order starting with Mikey
Oviedo to our far left here. I want to know your
top four punk bands or punk movies. Oh, Jesus
Christ, really? Yeah, we're doing it. Okay. I
used to play in a punk band from 18 to 21, 22.
I played in a lot of ska punk bands when I was
younger. One of my favorite bands, Leftover Crack,
I used to play with. When I stopped being so
angry, it was stuff like Descendants. Descendants
was always something I could put on. Adolescents
and Circle Jerks were in that kind of category
for me also. i i feel like a lot of my stuff
kind of leaned into like ska punk type stuff
so um so like i guess like ska punk uh there
was this band from i believe new york city um
called memphis scoffilies that is still one of
my favorite ska punk albums never even heard
of it fantastic fantastic album from uh late
90s from new york city a bunch of jazz artists
and and ska punk um people got together and memphis
scoffleys the first album was god bless satan
nice fantastic fucking album from i think from
like 96 or 97 that i still will go back and listen
to to this day um so yeah most of my punk stuff
has has leaned into ska a skull skull deserves
it i love skull man i went through a skull phase
myself so yeah and yeah um subhumans uh citizen
fish all those bands like that that I've played
with before. Um, I wasn't really like big into
like, you know, fear and all that stuff. That's
great and everything. But like, these are the
bands that I was like, I listened to and I was
influenced with, with even like a plain base
and a bunch of these bands. Armando. Um, so let
me just put it this way. I have never been punk
quote unquote, but I've always listened to a
lot of punk. even since high school when i think
back like damn i was actually more punk than
these fucking kids that i used to hang out with
oh yeah for sure because i still listen to a
lot of these bands that they would show me and
you know put me on these motherfuckers now they're
all with their fucking like they're trolo goss
now or what it's not not even that they're just
a bunch of fools with the dodger hat With the
fucking Levi's. They're not even Levi's. They're
the Wrangler fucking jorts. Oh, no way. They're
fucking like, they're all dads. They're all wearing
Birkenstocks and shit. Yeah, they all work at
the fucking construction companies or some shit.
Or they have their own. Some of them did go on
to do good stuff. But most of the time they were
just a bunch of fucking posers straight up. I
was probably the only one that was not punk,
but punk, you know what I mean? Like even now,
like I'm still, I feel like I'm probably more
punk than these guys ever were in their whole
phase. Cause they're all a bunch of little sellouts
and just, and they don't listen to it. They're
like, Oh, I don't really like, I never really
liked the misfits. And I'm like, well, okay,
but you got the fucking misfits tattoo on you.
I know plenty of people with misfits tattoos.
That's what I'm saying. That probably could only
make me like two songs. It was always just a
style for a lot of these people that I knew growing
up, you know. And I was always the one idiot
that was like, you know, like actually into it,
you know. But yeah, so bands. I mean, I think
misfits were one of the main ones. Damn, Mikey.
Yeah, this one Mikey's dying over here. Cholo
God. We got to leave the Cholo God part in. Cholo
Goss. Cholo Goss. I don't know any Cholo Goss.
I've seen them, but I don't know any of them.
I'm sorry, guys. No, you're good. You're good.
Yeah, we'll figure it out. So the Misfits Armando,
number one. So Mikey died. Cholo Goss. i didn't
even know that was a thing until recently oh
yeah it's been a thing dude yeah it's been a
thing yeah but uh yeah so like i said misfits
were probably the first ones i remember being
exposed to with punk and actually really liking
like i said i was like wow and this is already
because i was already into horror movies so a
lot of the punk guys would be like oh listen
to the misfits you would like them they'd sing
about horror movies and stuff i was like all
right all right and yeah sure enough i was like
okay yeah they're fucking cool you know and then
i started reading about the history I was like,
wow, Glenn Denzig's fucking really inspirational.
Like, this motherfucker rose up and everything.
He did everything himself. He built this whole
fucking empire with Jerry and everything. So
Misfits would for sure be, like, number one.
And then, like, Germs. Germs, I would say, is
kind of inspirational for me, too, just because
it was all, you know, do -it -yourself. And they
were kind of just, like. They were always so
rough. They would always get kicked out of shows
or whatever. Darby Crash was just a mess. Yeah,
they were definitely the heavies of the L .A.
scene for sure. Even though Darby was such a
mess and he ended up killing himself so young,
it's like he's so inspirational today. And so
many people are so fascinated by his lore and
everything. So yeah, Germs for sure. And like
their one album is super fucking catchy. I play
that often. It's a classic. It's a classic album.
Yeah. Oh yeah. You put one at what we do is secret
and you're just like, hell yeah, let's get this
going. You know, let's get the fucking day going.
So Germs, Misfits. And then the last one, Crass,
you know, I got into Crass much later on though
in my life. I was probably like 25, 26 when I
actually finally got around to listening to Crass.
I was like, oh shit, these guys are fucking great.
And then reading about them and seeing some of
their interviews online, I was like, wow, okay,
these guys are actually, like, the granddaddies
of punk, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really started
a fucking movement. You know, these guys are
awesome. They're not just a whole, you know,
they're not just, like, a little symbol, like
the Misfits School. You know, like, these guys
actually are, you know, they're inspirational.
You know, their music is cool. And it makes sense,
you know, like of society, what was going on
then and everything. Yeah. They actually lived
by the values that they preached in their music
with, like, squatting and everything like that.
They actually, like, lived that life compared
to a lot of these other artists. And they would
even, like, tell people, like, yeah, bootleg
our music if you want. We don't give a fuck,
you know. We want you to listen to our music.
So, yeah. You know, so Crass, Misfits, and Germs.
For sure. Top three. Yeah, that's a good top
three. How about you, Joey? Well. So I, you know,
although I grew up listening to like the skater
punk of the 90s, but by the time I hit 11, my
life changed and went straight into hardcore.
So I didn't get into punk until later. But I
think my top. So what I'm going to I'll do my
top four L .A. punk hardcore bands just, you
know, to keep it local. What got you into hardcore?
I heard, uh, Hapery satisfaction is the death
of desire for the first time. And it blew my
fucking mind. And I said, this is the best music
I've ever heard in my life. Um, that was on a
victory comp in nine. And then I think that comp
came out in 97 or 98, something like that. Um,
I didn't hear it until, um, early 2000 and, uh,
yeah, it changed my fucking life. And, um, So
we'll do top four L .A. punk hardcore bands for
me would be The Stains, The Weirdos, Germs, and
Black Flag. Weirdos are great. Yeah, Weirdos
are shit, yeah. My all -time favorite punk band,
Misfits, of course. I mean, I had heard Misfits
in the 90s when I was in elementary school. Misfits
would be my number one punk band of all time.
As far as LA top four, yeah, it would be Stains,
Weirdos, Germs, and Black Flag for sure. I just
think that that first Black Flag Nervous Breakdown
is like a seminal LA sound. That really formed,
for my ears at least, really formed what the
LA punk hardcore scene was and is supposed to
be. And even now... sets a standard to what it
should be yeah yeah good call yeah that what
spray paint uh um nervous breakdown wait nervous
breakdown the the the seven inch yeah that has
fixed me wasted nervous breakdown yeah um i just
think it's like blissed i think it's on like
seven minutes or so not even seven minutes like
six minutes uh just crude fast um it's it's Top
10, 45 release of all time, in my opinion. And
yeah, there it is. I'm sure people are going
to hate all of our picks, but whatever. They're
going to be like fucking posers. That's not a
punk band. I know they're like the most obvious
names, but like, no, these are... No, they're
seminal. Yeah, they're seminal. They're fucking
inspired the other ones later on, you know? Yeah.
Misfits inspired so many bands, especially with
the Do It Yourself, you know? spirit and everything
well you think of the misfits uh sorry to go
on another tangent but it's like you you look
at the misfits and what they accomplished um
in such a short span and then they were pretty
much non you know non -existent for how many
years you know until jerry only um got the band
back together with doyle um and completely changed
the sound but um you know like everyone formed
uh their band based off of what the misfits were
doing afterwards you know after they had already
broken up and went on their own and danzig was
doing sam hang and then uh you know eventually
his own solo danzig project and then the thing
i liked about the misfits is how the designs
was just all made by you know dan you know glenn
you know glenn made all the designs he appropriated
a lot of the images especially the crimson you
know skull you know the crimson ghost skull yeah
yeah but look where it is now he made that fucking
thing the symbol of the band and it's everywhere
now Oh, yeah, the iconography of the Misfits
is the shit. And I will go on record in saying
that the Misfits, they are a punk band, but they
have one absolute classic hardcore record to
me. Everything else that they did was punk. But
even then, see, that's the thing. They went with
a different sound after. That's what makes them
so inspiring, too. They went with a different
sound that he knew was picking up. yeah at the
time so yeah for sure but yeah we pick good ones
i think if you call those posers fuck you guys
all right well you know we're talking in circles
now so let's let's wrap it up uh we are gonna
put in here after the frida show we did have
a couple people come and talk to us and we did
you know a little interview um i'm not really
a good uh journalist and interviewer so my questions
probably sucked and uh uh but you know i'll get
better at it eventually so we're just gonna play
the the top like you know three or four responses
that we got um as far as, like, in -depth answers
from the audience and stuff. Thank you guys for,
you know, coming back out and, you know, having
to talk with Joey. It was pretty awesome. Yeah,
and, you know, like I said, I'll get better at
it, and hopefully we can do this a little bit
more often and get the crowd involved with the
show and, you know, kind of, you know, get people's
thoughts on what they think about Mexican movies
and stuff. I was stoked to see people actually
hang around after the show and, like... ready
to talk about the movie oh yeah they were eager
the first guy was like wait like answering he
was like ready to talk um so you know thanks
to all you guys um and uh yeah we'll play it
right now uh we armando does have something very
special planned coming up uh that we don't want
to you know talk about yet or he doesn't want
to talk about yet i don't think so i mean whenever
this episode i mean they'll probably already
know but even then it's like yeah you know we
hope to see you guys in the summer and hope you
guys bring out everybody you know yeah bring
out the family bring out your tia your deal bring
out some of your punk friends if you have punk
friends you know because i mean you know everybody
everybody is welcome for these next screenings
that are coming you know It's not for the punks
anymore. Unless you're a hater, then we'll kick
you out. It's for everybody. Yeah, these screens
are going to be for everybody. That's all I'll
say. I'm stoked about these. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. As we always do, there'll be a little bit
of a clip after these little interviews here
to give you guys a little hint of what's coming
up. The next month episode, it'll drop in June.
And yeah, we'll see you guys soon. We'll see
you guys at the Frito probably hopefully too.
Thank you guys for having me. Thanks for coming.
Thanks for a good convo. We're at the new house
by the new headquarters. Top secret Batcave over
here. It's Chino, California. It's just Chino,
guys. Bye, guys. Have a good one. Peace. All
right, here we go. We are live inside of the
Frida Cinema. We just finished watching Venganza
de los Punks. I'm standing here with? Miguel
Nunez. Miguel Nunez. Now, I got to say, this
is one of the craziest movies to experience inside
of a theater, right? Yeah, yeah, I loved it.
Yeah, it's fantastic. So if you can just describe
this movie for people that are listening that
haven't seen this movie, how would you describe
this movie? Well, it's so funny because we begin
following this band of punks. Actually, they
call them punks, but it's more of a gang. They're
dressed very exotic, like 80s type, very violent,
sexual and drug -driven. But what I love about
the film is that, I mean, they kill the family
of this cop. But then we follow the revenge of
the cop. And then the vigilante becomes like
a psychopath or more of a serial killer for the
punk gang. So that was amazing for me. A little
bit of justice replaced by revenge, right? There's
quite a few kills in this movie, right? So just
from watching this right now, what would you
say would be your favorite kill of the movie?
I think my favorite kill was the guy that was
killed by the stick going through his mouth.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was Oja, the guy who
tried to overthrow Tarzan himself, right? Okay,
yeah, so what do you think? How does this movie
correlate to punk, do you think? Do you think
it's a punk movie or is it not a punk movie?
You know, it's funny because it's not really
a punk movie. However, looking at the credits,
the music was composed and played by Three Souls
in My Mind, which is El Tri. Very good call -out,
yeah, very good call -out. Okay, so I guess we'll
just kind of wrap it. We got a couple people
here. So just final question, just personal taste
here. Give me your top four favorite punk rock
bands. Punk rock. Or punk rock movies or anything
related to punk. Anything related to punk. Let
me see. Sex Pistols, The Clash, and then. probably
this movie uh the range of the punks and uh uh
there is this uh record from actually it's a
ska band but it's his record is called punk rock
from chelsea that's funny i like it good call
out man well we appreciate you coming out and
hope you enjoyed the the movie you grabbed yourself
a gift already perfect yeah thank you man appreciate
it right here we go here we go uh who am i standing
with here uh mitch luna mitch luna now uh give
me your initial thoughts on it have you seen
this movie before oh no first time i'd ever seen
it um i love how many different outfits tarzan
had throughout like he must have had he was stunting
in like five different outfits i wish there was
a scene you just see his wardrobe of just different
uh costumes he'd put on and uh Another thing
I caught is I love that scene in the first act
with the dudes holding up a store and robbing
it. That had absolutely nothing to do with the
rest of the plot, like whatsoever. And the place
was a fucking video store rental. It's not even
like a high value place to rob. They're just
shooting up a video club. Yeah, I got lost in
my train of thought. Hey, that's perfect. I'm
glad you called that out because I noticed that
tonight too. Hey, man, that's a fucking video
store there. They got like 200 pistols or something.
It's a video store, dude. And also glad that
you called out Tarzan and all his outfits too.
I don't know if you're familiar with who he is
as a wrestler or his lineage and how he kind
of relates to Lucha. Are you familiar with that
at all? No, no, but I'm definitely going to go
down a rabbit hole. because the dude is pretty
badass. Yeah, he really is badass. So with that
in mind, I'm going to ask you the same question.
Is your first time seeing it? Out of all the
kills in the movie, call out your favorite kill.
Oh, man, there's so many good kills, and he was
so unconventional. I love that he used both snakes
and spiders. It's like, damn, where did he get
those? He just goes back to his hideout in between
eating sardine sandwiches, and he just has a
stash of spiders. But I think favorite kill overall,
probably the acid to the face. That was good.
I didn't see that one coming. I'll go with that.
Yeah, I think that's my favorite kill as well.
Okay, so with that in mind, do we have any more
things to give? How many things do we have left?
We have two left? Okay. And he's taking the Blu
-ray, folks. Appreciate you coming out. Hope
you enjoyed the night. All right. And who are
we standing here with? With Alan. Alan. So have
you seen this movie before? No, I have not. Have
you seen the original movie, the part one? No,
I have not. Okay, so you're fresh to this one.
Give me your initial reactions. Was this over
the top? Was it not enough? What was your favorite
thing about this? This was amazing. This got
me like a throwback when I used to go with my
uncle to the video store and they had the curtains
and he'd just go inside the curtain and I'd be
like, what the hell is he doing? And we'd come
back, he'd get the popcorn and... Next thing
you know, he just popped it in the VHS and it's
at the DVD, and we just see some, like, crazy
-ass, like, kills. It just threw me back to my
uncle. It was amazing. Back to, like, my culture
and shit. Yeah, I think that's definitely, yeah.
What does he got on right there? Oh, for the
listeners, he's got a Buki shirt on. We did an
episode on the Bukis a couple episodes ago, so,
I mean. Great shirt, great shirt. Same question
for you. Out of all the kills in the movie, which
one was your favorite? It would be the pull through
the mouth. It just reminded me of Deanna Jones.
It was crazy. He deserved it, though. He was
a piece of shit. He deserved it. snitch ass traitor
hey snitches get stitches um okay so let's let's
run us off here what are your top four favorite
punk rock bands if you listen to punk or you
listen to punk all right what are your top four
favorite punk rock bands in espanol would be
escrobuto that's my top first uh it'd be i mean
el tri is rock i mean classic rock but uh It'd
be Escobuto, Section Hate, Shout Out to L .A.,
and Dead City Punks. I mean, Dead City, they
be doing a lot of movement in L .A. right now.
Good call out. Calling out for the L .A. culture.
One more question. Oh, yeah, let's go. Favorite
rookie song? I have a lot, but it'd have to be
for Marc Antonio Solis. It'd be like, ah, shit.
You got me right there. My mind just scrambled
right there, but it's from Marcansonio Solis.
Right now, I can't really think about it, but
yeah. My grandma used to sing to me, sing to
it all the time, but I forgot. Ah, fuck. My bad,
wey. Se me olvide, wey. Se le fue a lona, se
le fue a lona. It's all good, it's all good.
Well, I hope you appreciated the show tonight.
Thank you for coming. I've been following Trash
Max since he started. Trash Max has been putting
on for the city and putting a lot of archives.
Like I said, I've been watching a lot of movies
with my uncle. We used to go to the video store,
and it just throws me back. This brings me a
lot. There it is. He's getting the 38 Especial
VHS. Yeah, I do. Of course. Yeah, I do. I collect
VHSes. Perfect. Well, once again, thanks for
coming out. Appreciate it, man. Hope you had
a great time. No, I did. Gracias. All right,
and who are we standing here with? I'm John Bauer.
John Bauer. Now, are you familiar with this film?
Have you seen this film before? No, I'd only
seen Intrepidos Punks before this. Good, so you're
one of the four people who had actually seen
a Punks movie before. Yeah, yeah, when I saw
Venganza was coming out, I had bought the Blu
-ray from Vinegar Syndrome, and so I'm like,
I better watch the first one so I'm not totally
confused by the plot. And, okay, so were you
confused? Because some people would say that
this movie is completely separate from the first
movie. I mean, it picks up right where the first
one lets off. They all get the surviving ones
get put in jail. And then as with the first one,
they get busted out by the female leader of the
gang. And then it's just back to normal. We're
right. We're raiding liquor stores and video
stores and people's homes just for no reason
at all. And then we're camping out of the exact
same place that the first movie ended at. It's
yeah. It was nice to know that there was some
continuity there. I agree, I agree. Okay, so
since you have seen both now, which one would
you say you prefer more, the original Entrepidos
Punks or Venganza de los Punks? I think I prefer
Intrepidos punks. That one, it's mostly about
the gang. They're pulling off hijinks. They're
playing their theme song constantly. They're
rolling out on the road hooting and hollering.
They're making drug deals. Like, they're on top
of the world. Here, it's like they bust out of
jail. They're right at the top. But then for
the rest of the movie, they're just kind of sitting
around getting killed. Like, every time one of
them gets killed, they're like, okay, I got a
plan. Towards the very end, he's like, I got
a plan. We'll send each of us out one by one
to get killed. then that's my plan. It kind of
falls in line with Death Wish 3. Have you seen
that? Yeah, a lot like that. And I mean, especially
towards the end, the cop character starts to
seem more like Jason Voorhees than just like
a vengeful cop. He's really getting twisted with
some of that stuff. Okay, so with that in mind,
let's get a call out. What's your favorite kill
in the movie? It's got to be Beto. He's just
walking around with a flashlight, and then out
of nowhere, just whoop. Just lops his head right
off. He's not knocking him out and handcuffing
him and dragging him back to his villa to torture
him. He's just like, boom, you're dead right
there. And then he, like, throws his head at
somebody else and then just takes off. He's like,
I'm not babysitting this one. This guy is just
dead. And you can even see his liberty spikes
kind of flopping around, too, when his head starts
flying off there. Well, thanks for coming out,
man. I hope you enjoyed the second one as well
as much as you do the first one. I don't know
if we have anything left. Armando to give out.
You give me so much entertainment over the years.
Anytime you want to do these shows, I will be
there. Trash Mex for life. And you heard it there.
Trash Mex for life, man. Thanks for coming out,
man. Thank you. They all ran away. All right,
here we go. My name is Hope. And Hope, have you
seen this movie before? I haven't. This is my
first time. And have you seen the original? I
haven't. So seeing this one, I'm excited to see
the first one now. Yeah, I think the first one
is definitely a must watch. Just give us a little
rundown. If you can describe this movie in a
sentence or two. For people that haven't seen
it, how would you describe it? I'll give you
a long -winded one. It reminds me a little bit
of Death Wish 3, but also Darktown Strutters.
It has kind of like that biker aesthetic meets
like 80s, you know, punk, Mexican punk aesthetic.
So I really enjoyed that. That's a good call
-out. A lot of people say Mad Max, but I don't
really see Mad Max. This is not a post -apocalyptic
movie. So Darktown Shredders is a really good
call -out. Now, I do know you like punk music,
so let's hear it. Give me your letterbox for
punk movies or bands. I can't give you that.
Honestly, I really can't. But what I will say
about this for anybody that's listening that
hasn't seen this, I feel like it has everything
you could possibly need. You've got, like, swastika
booty. It's got busty women. death by like deadly
vipers poisonous tarantulas uh acid to the face
um i don't know it's pretty much got everything
you need in it and i really loved that it was
very much like punks versus one cop on on this
tirade and revenge seeking adventure to get justice
for his family so yeah i'm kind of glad that
the cop kind of was like man fuck being a cop
i just want to kill these motherfuckers right
yeah for sure and i feel like a lot of people
like a lot of the other deaths but the death
by fire torture was awesome because you could
really see the rage in his eyes and he was really
enjoying it at that point so yeah that was fun
yeah i think the the death by fire is probably
my favorite kill so i think yeah this is the
shit right there well thank you guys for showing
this at the frida and i hope you guys do more
stuff like this Thanks for coming out, Hope,
and I guess we're wrapping it up here.