WEBVTT 00:00:09.510 --> 00:00:15.120 Karen Beilharz: Welcome to Moore in the Word, a podcast of Moore Theological College in Sydney, Australia 00:00:15.390 --> 00:00:21.585 that seeks to glorify God through biblically sound, thought-provoking and challenging talks and interviews. 00:00:22.395 --> 00:00:27.525 In this episode, Peter Jensen, former Archbishop of Sydney, interviews Lloyd 00:00:27.525 --> 00:00:31.634 Bennett, former pastor and chaplain and graduate of Moore Theological College. 00:00:32.025 --> 00:00:36.195 Peter interviews Lloyd about his call to Christ, his call to ministry, his 00:00:36.195 --> 00:00:40.215 time at Moore, and how God worked through him and his ministry post-College. 00:00:40.855 --> 00:00:42.355 We hope you find the episode helpful. 00:00:44.605 --> 00:00:50.155 Peter Jensen: It's my great pleasure today to speak to my friend, the Reverend Lloyd Bennett. 00:00:50.214 --> 00:00:58.944 We've known each other for many, many years one way or another, and uh, Lloyd is a, uh, graduate of Moore College and has had an interesting and. 00:00:59.475 --> 00:01:05.084 Different ministry one way another over these many years, and I'm glad to report that he continues 00:01:05.084 --> 00:01:10.845 still in ministry doing what he can to promote the kingdom of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. 00:01:11.595 --> 00:01:14.325 Lloyd, gotta ask you some questions about yourself. 00:01:14.414 --> 00:01:14.625 Yeah. 00:01:14.865 --> 00:01:16.220 And if you can tell us because. 00:01:17.100 --> 00:01:22.320 You were one of the, I believe, one of the youngest people ever to come to Moore College. 00:01:22.649 --> 00:01:23.460 How did that happen? 00:01:23.460 --> 00:01:24.270 Tell us about that. 00:01:24.479 --> 00:01:29.340 Lloyd Bennett: Well, it was quite a story because I went to Lane Cove Sunday School. 00:01:29.370 --> 00:01:29.729 Yes. 00:01:29.729 --> 00:01:32.550 At a place called Roland Lamb Memorial Church. 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:38.699 Right now, Roland Lamb was the name of a fellow who was killed in the, uh. 00:01:40.620 --> 00:01:46.770 Ah, when he was in, in the war, and his father, Frank D. Lamb, who lived at b 00:01:46.980 --> 00:01:47.220 Peter Jensen: mm-hmm. 00:01:47.460 --> 00:01:49.380 Lloyd Bennett: Wanted to have a church in his name. 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:50.039 Peter Jensen: Ah, 00:01:50.100 --> 00:01:51.539 Lloyd Bennett: The diocese wouldn't allow it though. 00:01:51.539 --> 00:01:52.950 He was gonna pay for the whole lot. 00:01:53.009 --> 00:01:53.160 Peter Jensen: Mm-hmm. 00:01:53.520 --> 00:01:57.360 Lloyd Bennett: But when he insisted, they changed their mind. 00:01:57.900 --> 00:02:03.180 And now it's one of two churches that were named after a person, the other being the John Francis Cash. 00:02:03.720 --> 00:02:05.399 Memorial Chapel at Moore College. 00:02:05.399 --> 00:02:05.610 At Moore 00:02:05.610 --> 00:02:06.000 Peter Jensen: College. 00:02:06.179 --> 00:02:06.539 Yes. 00:02:06.539 --> 00:02:08.579 Lloyd Bennett: So I went to Sunday school there. 00:02:09.030 --> 00:02:12.150 It was there when I was in the fellowship at 14. 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:12.329 Mm-hmm. 00:02:12.600 --> 00:02:14.910 That I gave my life to the Lord Jesus. 00:02:14.910 --> 00:02:14.970 Yeah. 00:02:14.970 --> 00:02:16.350 As my saviour and friend. 00:02:17.160 --> 00:02:22.105 And, uh, then I was very, very, I. Keen and enthusiastic for the gospel. 00:02:22.255 --> 00:02:22.494 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:02:22.554 --> 00:02:23.095 Lloyd Bennett: And trust. 00:02:23.095 --> 00:02:23.755 I still am. 00:02:24.054 --> 00:02:25.195 Peter Jensen: Yes, I think you are. 00:02:25.945 --> 00:02:26.095 Yes. 00:02:27.174 --> 00:02:30.204 Lloyd Bennett: So I, I was keen to do everything I could. 00:02:30.714 --> 00:02:32.454 I started teaching Sunday school. 00:02:32.454 --> 00:02:35.964 I got linked up with the youth group and soon became leader of that. 00:02:36.174 --> 00:02:36.505 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:02:36.685 --> 00:02:40.495 Lloyd Bennett: But the reason I tell this story is because Frank De Villiers Lamb came to 00:02:40.495 --> 00:02:45.654 that Sunday school and they had a special prize called the Roland, a memorial prize. 00:02:45.654 --> 00:02:45.745 Mm-hmm. 00:02:46.149 --> 00:02:49.614 Which I happened to win in, uh, 1956. 00:02:50.505 --> 00:02:56.505 So Frank De Villiers Lamb invited me then to come out to his place and meet with him and, uh, his wife 00:02:56.715 --> 00:02:57.674 Peter Jensen: in Woollahra 00:02:57.674 --> 00:02:58.185 Lloyd Bennett: Woollahra. 00:02:58.215 --> 00:02:58.484 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:02:58.875 --> 00:03:01.184 Lloyd Bennett: So I went out there and had lunch with them. 00:03:01.304 --> 00:03:01.545 Peter Jensen: Mm-hmm. 00:03:01.605 --> 00:03:03.855 Lloyd Bennett: And he was a very prim, proper Englishman. 00:03:03.915 --> 00:03:04.274 Peter Jensen: Mm-hmm. 00:03:04.605 --> 00:03:15.435 Lloyd Bennett: And, uh, we played Scrabble and he always won because being a Prime Englishman, he had a vocabulary bigger than the Oxford Dictionary. 00:03:15.885 --> 00:03:18.464 He showed me round Woollahra and Darling Point. 00:03:18.674 --> 00:03:18.886 Peter Jensen: Yes, yes. 00:03:19.019 --> 00:03:24.045 Lloyd Bennett: But, um, I noticed his garden or his lawn needed a bit of mowing, so I offered to mow the lawn. 00:03:24.255 --> 00:03:24.404 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:03:24.404 --> 00:03:24.584 Which 00:03:24.584 --> 00:03:25.125 Lloyd Bennett: he accepted. 00:03:25.125 --> 00:03:25.815 And I did that. 00:03:26.480 --> 00:03:29.720 Then I got invited back regularly and I would mow his lawn. 00:03:30.200 --> 00:03:38.060 Then in 1956, CMS had a missionary convention at the Town Hall when Lawrence Love. 00:03:38.180 --> 00:03:38.510 Right. 00:03:38.510 --> 00:03:39.530 Was the guest speaker. 00:03:39.590 --> 00:03:39.865 Peter Jensen: Yes, yes. 00:03:40.250 --> 00:03:44.390 Lloyd Bennett: And I went to that together with Isabel, my girlfriend at that time. 00:03:44.480 --> 00:03:44.900 Peter Jensen: Yes, yes. 00:03:45.230 --> 00:03:46.225 That's an important name. 00:03:46.734 --> 00:03:47.660 Lloyd Bennett: It's a very important Isabel. 00:03:47.660 --> 00:03:47.990 So we 00:03:47.990 --> 00:03:49.549 Peter Jensen: notice Isabel, yes, 00:03:49.549 --> 00:03:49.551 Lloyd Bennett: yes. 00:03:49.609 --> 00:03:50.990 57 years we were married. 00:03:50.990 --> 00:03:51.440 Yes. 00:03:52.215 --> 00:03:58.275 And at this convention he preached on commitment to Christ and called to ministry or missionary service. 00:03:58.335 --> 00:03:58.605 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:03:58.965 --> 00:04:02.655 Lloyd Bennett: And at one point he said, and if God is speaking to you and you feel that you 00:04:02.655 --> 00:04:07.875 are called to missionary service and you're willing to make that dedication, stand up now. 00:04:08.760 --> 00:04:10.020 No beating about the bush. 00:04:10.079 --> 00:04:10.440 Right. 00:04:10.980 --> 00:04:14.070 So I stood, Isabel stood and many others stood. 00:04:14.160 --> 00:04:14.460 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:04:14.730 --> 00:04:16.440 Lloyd Bennett: And that was when I made a commitment. 00:04:16.440 --> 00:04:18.750 I believe that God called me into the ministry. 00:04:18.810 --> 00:04:20.399 Peter Jensen: And you were just 16 years old? 00:04:20.430 --> 00:04:22.440 Lloyd Bennett: I was 16, that's right. 00:04:23.190 --> 00:04:24.900 Peter Jensen: And then three years later. 00:04:25.815 --> 00:04:26.115 Lloyd Bennett: Yes. 00:04:26.115 --> 00:04:27.195 Well, I was very keen, 00:04:27.465 --> 00:04:28.094 Peter Jensen: yes, very 00:04:28.094 --> 00:04:29.055 Lloyd Bennett: keen for the gospel. 00:04:29.175 --> 00:04:34.635 So I managed to get on Beach Mission team and go on beach missions with Dr. John Neo leading it. 00:04:34.695 --> 00:04:35.085 Peter Jensen: Yes, 00:04:35.175 --> 00:04:36.585 Lloyd Bennett: I taught Sunday school. 00:04:36.585 --> 00:04:40.844 I ran the fellowship and I knew that I couldn't go into College. 00:04:41.175 --> 00:04:46.005 I even read the 1662 Prayer Book to find out what the rules were, and it said in 00:04:46.005 --> 00:04:50.775 the introduction to services for ordination, you can't be deacon until you are 00:04:51.155 --> 00:04:53.745 23. 23. Or priest until 24. 00:04:53.745 --> 00:04:53.805 Yeah. 00:04:54.164 --> 00:04:54.435 Peter Jensen: So 00:04:54.435 --> 00:04:59.025 Lloyd Bennett: I thought, good, I'll go into College, God-willing, in 1961. 00:04:59.235 --> 00:04:59.565 Peter Jensen: Alright. 00:04:59.985 --> 00:05:01.185 Lloyd Bennett: But I didn't want to miss out. 00:05:01.515 --> 00:05:01.724 Yeah. 00:05:01.784 --> 00:05:04.620 So in February I rang Dr. 00:05:04.620 --> 00:05:05.025 Knox. 00:05:05.055 --> 00:05:05.354 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:05:05.354 --> 00:05:08.205 Who was recently become the Principal at that stage. 00:05:08.265 --> 00:05:09.885 Lloyd Bennett: He, he'd only been there that one year. 00:05:09.974 --> 00:05:10.880 Peter Jensen: Yes, that's right. 00:05:10.880 --> 00:05:11.320 To that point. 00:05:11.349 --> 00:05:11.640 Yeah. 00:05:11.985 --> 00:05:16.755 Lloyd Bennett: And said that I'd like to come in and I'd like to apply for College for next year. 00:05:16.965 --> 00:05:17.265 Yeah. 00:05:17.685 --> 00:05:18.375 And he said. 00:05:19.965 --> 00:05:20.295 Yes. 00:05:20.355 --> 00:05:21.615 Well, when can you come and see me? 00:05:21.615 --> 00:05:23.385 Well, I was working at Sydney Water Board. 00:05:23.745 --> 00:05:23.985 Yeah. 00:05:24.015 --> 00:05:24.825 Till five o'clock. 00:05:24.825 --> 00:05:27.405 I said, I can come in any afternoon after five o'clock. 00:05:27.645 --> 00:05:27.885 Oh. 00:05:27.885 --> 00:05:29.594 He said, how would tomorrow be for you? 00:05:29.594 --> 00:05:31.245 I said, oh, well, that'll be okay. 00:05:31.245 --> 00:05:31.635 Thank you. 00:05:31.695 --> 00:05:32.030 Yes, yes. 00:05:32.685 --> 00:05:36.344 So I went in to see him and he interviewed him and asked me various questions. 00:05:36.825 --> 00:05:43.485 And then he put a question to me and said to me, Lloyd, why did you come in this year? 00:05:44.175 --> 00:05:44.565 Peter Jensen: Goodness 00:05:44.565 --> 00:05:44.955 Lloyd Bennett: me. 00:05:45.435 --> 00:05:45.945 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:05:46.425 --> 00:05:49.755 Lloyd Bennett: And I said to him, well, I. Why not? 00:05:50.175 --> 00:05:51.045 Two reasons. 00:05:51.344 --> 00:05:52.635 One, I'm too young. 00:05:52.935 --> 00:05:53.085 Yes. 00:05:53.085 --> 00:05:54.615 Because it was a three-year course then. 00:05:54.620 --> 00:05:54.680 Yes. 00:05:54.795 --> 00:05:55.035 Yes. 00:05:55.065 --> 00:05:59.295 And I won't be old enough to be ordained, so I need another year. 00:05:59.295 --> 00:06:03.765 And secondly, I won't have enough money because I actually had a job at the Sydney 00:06:03.765 --> 00:06:09.225 Water Board and uh, I was working as a helio doing photographic work like this. 00:06:09.225 --> 00:06:09.520 Mm. Mm-hmm. 00:06:09.975 --> 00:06:12.435 And I needed the money to get through College. 00:06:12.435 --> 00:06:12.495 Yeah. 00:06:13.140 --> 00:06:15.870 And then he said to me, well, let's not worry about that. 00:06:15.900 --> 00:06:17.849 We won't worry about age at the moment. 00:06:18.570 --> 00:06:21.510 But as far as finance, that's not a problem either. 00:06:22.140 --> 00:06:23.280 And I said, what do you mean? 00:06:23.760 --> 00:06:26.700 And he said, well, you know Frank De Villiers Lamb, who you've known. 00:06:27.420 --> 00:06:27.990 Mm-hmm. 00:06:27.990 --> 00:06:28.590 I said, yes. 00:06:28.980 --> 00:06:32.190 You told him in 1956 that you were called into ministry? 00:06:32.220 --> 00:06:32.610 Yes. 00:06:33.180 --> 00:06:35.580 Well, he's put some money in an account here in 00:06:35.610 --> 00:06:37.650 your name every year. 00:06:38.220 --> 00:06:40.170 But we were told not to tell you. 00:06:40.260 --> 00:06:40.500 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:06:40.590 --> 00:06:41.760 Lloyd Bennett: Unless you came in. 00:06:42.090 --> 00:06:46.680 And if you didn't come in by a certain time, it would go to consolidated funds. 00:06:46.770 --> 00:06:48.000 Peter Jensen: Are you still thanking God? 00:06:48.785 --> 00:06:50.225 Lloyd Bennett: Well, he said to me, I think 00:06:50.225 --> 00:06:50.975 Peter Jensen: that's extra. 00:06:51.005 --> 00:06:51.875 Isn't that wonderful? 00:06:51.995 --> 00:06:52.985 Lloyd Bennett: It is wonderful. 00:06:53.075 --> 00:06:53.345 Yes. 00:06:53.345 --> 00:06:59.015 But then he said, I need you to an answer quickly because I've got a meeting of the College committee. 00:06:59.315 --> 00:06:59.495 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:06:59.525 --> 00:06:59.735 But 00:06:59.735 --> 00:07:00.665 Lloyd Bennett: I've worked it out. 00:07:00.905 --> 00:07:01.925 He obviously knew me. 00:07:01.985 --> 00:07:02.315 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:07:02.405 --> 00:07:04.655 Lloyd Bennett: He said with the diocesan subsidy. 00:07:05.349 --> 00:07:11.770 With the money that Frank De Villiers Lamb has left you, and with the money you'll get as a catechist for one and a half days work. 00:07:11.890 --> 00:07:12.250 Peter Jensen: Indeed, 00:07:12.340 --> 00:07:17.229 Lloyd Bennett: you'll have enough to come into College broke and leave College broke, but no debt. 00:07:17.619 --> 00:07:18.849 He said, so what do you think? 00:07:19.450 --> 00:07:22.419 So I said, well, I'm excited, but I want to pray about it. 00:07:22.750 --> 00:07:23.620 I'll let you know. 00:07:24.489 --> 00:07:33.010 So I went home and he said, well, you need to know tomorrow because I've meeting with the College committee and College starts in another week. 00:07:33.105 --> 00:07:33.165 Yeah. 00:07:34.515 --> 00:07:35.265 So I went home. 00:07:35.265 --> 00:07:41.745 I prayed about it with Isabella and it just sent me so much, clearly the Lord's leading, though I couldn't understand it all. 00:07:42.225 --> 00:07:43.395 So I rang him up and said, yes. 00:07:43.635 --> 00:07:44.445 Oh, come. 00:07:45.585 --> 00:07:47.805 So he said, okay, come before the committee. 00:07:47.805 --> 00:07:52.575 So I went before this committee, arch Deacons, wearing spats and collars. 00:07:52.575 --> 00:07:53.440 It was quite interesting. 00:07:53.580 --> 00:07:55.155 Peter Jensen: Of course, yes, in those days. 00:07:55.785 --> 00:07:56.835 And they let you in. 00:07:57.315 --> 00:07:59.085 So you arrive at College now. 00:07:59.440 --> 00:08:03.310 I'm gonna ask you step back a little and think about those years at College. 00:08:03.310 --> 00:08:04.720 Three years, three 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:04.900 Lloyd Bennett: years, 00:08:04.905 --> 00:08:05.800 Peter Jensen: years, three years at College. 00:08:06.310 --> 00:08:11.500 What are the three things that you remember best about your time? 00:08:11.530 --> 00:08:15.910 I presume, like me, you would regard the College years as being formative. 00:08:16.210 --> 00:08:23.230 So what are the three things that you really remember best about being at the College and the impact it had on you? 00:08:24.285 --> 00:08:30.345 Lloyd Bennett: Oh, well, I suppose the main thing is that I was delighted with the biblical teaching that I had. 00:08:30.435 --> 00:08:30.525 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:08:30.825 --> 00:08:32.295 Lloyd Bennett: And the doctrinal teaching. 00:08:32.414 --> 00:08:32.745 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:08:33.105 --> 00:08:34.185 Lloyd Bennett: I was very keen for that. 00:08:34.185 --> 00:08:39.855 And catechists at my church reminded me that this is why you go to College to learn from the Bible. 00:08:39.855 --> 00:08:41.655 So that was exciting. 00:08:42.135 --> 00:08:51.255 Second thing is being very much the junior member, I was really impressed by the way that people of all ages welcome me as. 00:08:51.850 --> 00:08:55.990 I was an equal and I've worked with them and that was encouraging. 00:08:56.530 --> 00:09:00.189 And then there were the variety of activities that the College had. 00:09:00.730 --> 00:09:06.550 I'd been taking children's missions associated with them, and I was delighted to share in 00:09:06.550 --> 00:09:11.650 College missions where we could put into practice the ministry that we were being trained for. 00:09:12.250 --> 00:09:13.540 I was really pleased with that. 00:09:14.100 --> 00:09:17.400 Then of course it was great to work in a parish. 00:09:17.460 --> 00:09:23.640 I went to Guilford, first of all for two years and then, uh, I was actually a catechist for the youth department. 00:09:23.880 --> 00:09:24.270 Peter Jensen: Right, 00:09:24.270 --> 00:09:24.420 Lloyd Bennett: right. 00:09:24.420 --> 00:09:25.710 Which was very unusual. 00:09:25.860 --> 00:09:26.550 Peter Jensen: Yes, yes. 00:09:26.550 --> 00:09:29.250 Lloyd Bennett: And I worked with the youth department for the year. 00:09:29.640 --> 00:09:33.090 So it was these opportunities for ministry and to. 00:09:33.350 --> 00:09:38.000 Correlate them to what I was being taught from the Scriptures and the fellowship we shared. 00:09:38.510 --> 00:09:42.200 Peter Jensen: So the three things that you particularly remember, let me just go back, are 00:09:42.950 --> 00:09:49.010 the teaching, the biblical theological teaching, which is obviously profoundly important. 00:09:49.640 --> 00:09:54.145 The fellowship, the way in which people looked after you and you entered into a fellowship. 00:09:54.585 --> 00:09:57.135 Living here, presumably in the single quarters? 00:09:57.140 --> 00:09:57.150 Yes. 00:09:57.155 --> 00:09:57.314 Yes. 00:09:57.314 --> 00:09:58.125 Lloyd Bennett: In the old wing. 00:09:58.215 --> 00:10:03.405 Peter Jensen: And then thirdly, the opportunities that you had as you were studying for ministry. 00:10:03.405 --> 00:10:08.535 In other words, you didn't just go away somewhere and study without ministry. 00:10:08.564 --> 00:10:08.955 No, no. 00:10:09.075 --> 00:10:13.155 The College was set up in such a way as you continued your ministry. 00:10:13.545 --> 00:10:17.925 I think Dr. Knox would've been keen to have you there because you were already in ministry. 00:10:18.425 --> 00:10:21.215 This is what he taught me about people coming to College. 00:10:21.215 --> 00:10:25.055 You're looking for people who are already in ministry, not people who say, oh, I think 00:10:25.055 --> 00:10:30.905 I'd like to become a minister, but people already in ministry, and you were that already. 00:10:31.055 --> 00:10:33.815 And then what delighted you was to continue in ministry. 00:10:34.455 --> 00:10:35.235 Have I summarized it well? 00:10:35.235 --> 00:10:35.565 That's right. 00:10:35.625 --> 00:10:35.835 Lloyd Bennett: Yes. 00:10:35.925 --> 00:10:37.335 I'd been leading a beach mission. 00:10:37.635 --> 00:10:39.705 I was a counselor at the Billy Graham Crusade. 00:10:39.705 --> 00:10:40.065 Yes. 00:10:40.215 --> 00:10:40.305 Yeah. 00:10:40.365 --> 00:10:42.525 Which was immediately before our year, which Yes. 00:10:42.560 --> 00:10:44.611 Made 1960 a bump a year, 00:10:45.045 --> 00:10:45.705 Peter Jensen: bumper year. 00:10:45.825 --> 00:10:46.305 That's right. 00:10:46.755 --> 00:10:47.235 That's right. 00:10:47.235 --> 00:10:48.495 People poured in, didn't they? 00:10:48.705 --> 00:10:48.855 Yes. 00:10:48.885 --> 00:10:52.455 Some of whom had been converted at the crusade, but came that year. 00:10:52.665 --> 00:10:52.995 Peter Jensen: That's right. 00:10:53.295 --> 00:10:53.595 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:53.610 Yeah. 00:10:54.075 --> 00:10:54.885 Remarkable. 00:10:55.275 --> 00:11:01.365 And of the teachers who stands out as the teachers that you really benefited from most? 00:11:01.709 --> 00:11:03.719 Lloyd Bennett: Well, there was nothing like the staff you have this year. 00:11:03.930 --> 00:11:05.699 There was, uh, you mean they were 00:11:05.699 --> 00:11:06.689 Peter Jensen: smaller in number? 00:11:06.780 --> 00:11:08.145 Smaller in number, yes, yes, yes. 00:11:08.400 --> 00:11:08.760 Go on. 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:10.800 Lloyd Bennett: There was Dr. Broughton Knox Yes. 00:11:11.069 --> 00:11:11.819 Who taught doctrine. 00:11:11.850 --> 00:11:12.240 Yes. 00:11:12.300 --> 00:11:13.740 There was Bishop Marcus Loane. 00:11:14.040 --> 00:11:14.430 Yes. 00:11:14.435 --> 00:11:17.160 See who came in and he taught New Testament. 00:11:17.160 --> 00:11:17.370 Peter Jensen: Yep. 00:11:17.579 --> 00:11:19.050 Lloyd Bennett: Then we had Bruce Smith. 00:11:19.285 --> 00:11:21.685 And Bill Lawton, and that was the staff. 00:11:21.895 --> 00:11:22.375 Peter Jensen: Okay. 00:11:22.375 --> 00:11:25.645 Lloyd Bennett: John Reed came in to, uh, give lectures on a book. 00:11:26.035 --> 00:11:31.405 Ken Shelley taught us things like how to speak from the pulpit and speech training and all that. 00:11:31.405 --> 00:11:31.615 Oh, he did too? 00:11:31.615 --> 00:11:31.855 Yes. 00:11:31.910 --> 00:11:32.425 I remember that. 00:11:32.425 --> 00:11:33.715 At St. Stephens Church 00:11:33.715 --> 00:11:34.795 Peter Jensen: and Donald Robinson. 00:11:35.305 --> 00:11:37.165 Lloyd Bennett: And Donald Robinson taught New Testament. 00:11:37.165 --> 00:11:38.185 Also, he taught New Testament 00:11:38.185 --> 00:11:42.205 Peter Jensen: and the beginnings of the biblical theology, which has become so important. 00:11:43.105 --> 00:11:44.425 Lloyd Bennett: Yes, yes. 00:11:44.425 --> 00:11:46.435 Biblical theology wasn't a subject. 00:11:46.780 --> 00:11:48.699 When I was interesting was going through. 00:11:48.699 --> 00:11:49.510 Okay. 00:11:49.510 --> 00:11:49.511 Okay. 00:11:49.516 --> 00:11:51.204 Develop it developed was Old Testament, new Testament. 00:11:52.060 --> 00:11:53.650 I think the material was covered. 00:11:54.430 --> 00:11:55.240 Peter Jensen: Ah, no doubt. 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:55.865 It was in 00:11:55.870 --> 00:11:56.319 Lloyd Bennett: In what they did. 00:11:56.564 --> 00:11:57.910 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 00:11:58.030 --> 00:11:59.680 Peter Jensen: It developed in that period. 00:11:59.680 --> 00:11:59.829 It did. 00:11:59.829 --> 00:12:00.880 Which is really important. 00:12:01.180 --> 00:12:04.630 Were they teaching you to be expository preachers? 00:12:05.070 --> 00:12:10.530 In the church I grew up in and in many, many of our churches, as you would know, the preachers would preach on 00:12:10.530 --> 00:12:17.700 a particular text, but in the sixties they developed this expository preaching a paragraph chapter or something. 00:12:17.700 --> 00:12:19.920 Is that what was also going on at the time? 00:12:19.920 --> 00:12:20.370 Do you remember? 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:21.690 Lloyd Bennett: Yes. 00:12:21.870 --> 00:12:29.940 And that's the sort of thing I was looking for and expected because the catechists who came to our church taught expository sermons. 00:12:30.090 --> 00:12:30.420 Peter Jensen: Right. 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.000 Lloyd Bennett: And I was drill that this is the way you preach. 00:12:33.150 --> 00:12:33.390 Peter Jensen: Okay. 00:12:33.390 --> 00:12:41.250 Now let me explain your language for the listeners, because catechists, which I understand very well is the old word for student ministers. 00:12:41.310 --> 00:12:41.610 Lloyd Bennett: Yes. 00:12:41.820 --> 00:12:45.240 Peter Jensen: So there's your run up to College and living in. 00:12:45.270 --> 00:12:46.980 Do you think living in was important? 00:12:47.370 --> 00:12:51.209 Lloyd Bennett: I think it was, it was the first time that I'd been away from home. 00:12:51.209 --> 00:12:51.270 Yeah. 00:12:51.569 --> 00:12:53.040 For any length of time. 00:12:53.099 --> 00:12:53.250 Yep. 00:12:53.550 --> 00:12:59.670 But it was interesting just to meet with the other fellows and you'd be meeting people all the time during the day. 00:12:59.849 --> 00:13:00.060 Yeah. 00:13:00.089 --> 00:13:03.240 Anytime a day I could find someone I could play table tennis with. 00:13:03.390 --> 00:13:03.750 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:13:04.530 --> 00:13:04.980 Yes. 00:13:05.069 --> 00:13:06.810 Lloyd Bennett: Which was one of the vice, of course. 00:13:08.099 --> 00:13:09.569 Peter Jensen: Well, sport was pretty important. 00:13:10.245 --> 00:13:10.695 I thought, 00:13:10.755 --> 00:13:11.205 Lloyd Bennett: yes, 00:13:11.235 --> 00:13:16.995 Peter Jensen: the cricket and the rugby and this sort of thing because it brought people together and sport does that. 00:13:17.295 --> 00:13:21.045 Yeah, I've got vivid memories of playing the games with the guys. 00:13:21.885 --> 00:13:26.115 Graham Cole once said to me, and I love this, you are learning at the College. 00:13:26.115 --> 00:13:27.285 I'm just seeing if you agree with it. 00:13:27.675 --> 00:13:30.885 The learning at the College is first of all, in lectures. 00:13:31.215 --> 00:13:35.175 Second of all by personal study, but third by coffee. 00:13:35.835 --> 00:13:37.605 In other words, community chat. 00:13:38.265 --> 00:13:38.865 That'd be right. 00:13:38.865 --> 00:13:39.675 That's your experience too. 00:13:39.675 --> 00:13:39.885 And they all 00:13:39.885 --> 00:13:44.655 Lloyd Bennett: important because we would get together and talk about our experiences in our parishes. 00:13:45.075 --> 00:13:51.765 Peter Jensen: I want to move beyond that now to ask you about what's happened subsequently, because here I, you've come in at a very young age. 00:13:51.765 --> 00:13:55.995 You've had this three years of training, which was your tertiary education, wasn't it? 00:13:55.995 --> 00:13:56.205 At that? 00:13:56.210 --> 00:13:56.445 It was, yeah. 00:13:56.445 --> 00:13:57.495 Once you hadn't been to Uni. 00:13:57.735 --> 00:13:57.795 No. 00:13:57.795 --> 00:14:00.525 In fact, most people in those days had not been to Uni. 00:14:00.525 --> 00:14:00.915 That's right. 00:14:01.185 --> 00:14:02.175 That was unusual. 00:14:02.445 --> 00:14:06.255 So you come in and you graduate with the normal THL. 00:14:06.550 --> 00:14:08.229 As we did in those days. 00:14:08.709 --> 00:14:12.369 I was six years after you, so I have some memory of the same sort of thing. 00:14:12.910 --> 00:14:15.520 So you did that and with cadre of guys that you knew. 00:14:17.205 --> 00:14:18.465 Have you kept in touch? 00:14:18.975 --> 00:14:19.785 Lloyd Bennett: Yes, we have. 00:14:20.295 --> 00:14:21.405 Being the youngest, it's only 00:14:21.405 --> 00:14:22.365 Peter Jensen: 60 years. 00:14:22.455 --> 00:14:23.205 It's only 60 years, 00:14:23.895 --> 00:14:25.515 Lloyd Bennett: but I've organized a reunion. 00:14:25.515 --> 00:14:29.415 Being the youngest, it sort of falls to me to draw them all together now. 00:14:29.805 --> 00:14:34.635 So we've had a 10 year anniversary of the year we started, which called our year. 00:14:34.770 --> 00:14:35.730 Club 60. 00:14:35.760 --> 00:14:36.480 Peter Jensen: Club 60 00:14:36.630 --> 00:14:39.030 Lloyd Bennett: and last meeting we had was 2020. 00:14:39.090 --> 00:14:39.390 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:14:39.510 --> 00:14:41.490 Lloyd Bennett: And 2010, 2000. 00:14:41.910 --> 00:14:44.579 Every 10 years I've organized a reunion back here. 00:14:44.610 --> 00:14:45.180 Peter Jensen: Wow. 00:14:45.329 --> 00:14:47.189 And that's one of the great benefits of College. 00:14:47.370 --> 00:14:47.699 Yes. 00:14:47.699 --> 00:14:51.240 That you create a gang of friends that you can turn to 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:51.810 Lloyd Bennett: Yes. 00:14:51.870 --> 00:14:54.150 Peter Jensen: At various times or will support you 00:14:54.510 --> 00:14:54.720 Peter Jensen: as 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:55.890 Peter Jensen: you hope and so on. 00:14:56.280 --> 00:14:59.430 So you, uh, married Isabel in what year? 00:14:59.895 --> 00:15:01.334 Lloyd Bennett: 1963. 00:15:01.334 --> 00:15:01.935 Peter Jensen: 63. 00:15:01.935 --> 00:15:03.525 So you left College at that stage? 00:15:03.584 --> 00:15:04.515 Lloyd Bennett: I left College. 00:15:04.694 --> 00:15:09.525 And there were days when you had to get permission from the archbishop to be engaged? 00:15:09.615 --> 00:15:10.005 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:15:10.005 --> 00:15:10.155 And 00:15:10.155 --> 00:15:12.074 Lloyd Bennett: had to get permission to be married. 00:15:12.645 --> 00:15:15.915 And Archbishop Gough was a very prim and proper. 00:15:16.190 --> 00:15:16.820 Englishman. 00:15:17.060 --> 00:15:17.450 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:15:17.660 --> 00:15:20.900 Lloyd Bennett: And I couldn't find anywhere in the Bible or in my Moore College 00:15:20.900 --> 00:15:25.220 lecture notes that said you had to get permission from an archbishop to get married. 00:15:25.850 --> 00:15:26.330 Peter Jensen: True. 00:15:26.510 --> 00:15:26.930 Lloyd Bennett: Of course. 00:15:26.930 --> 00:15:27.920 He's still the archbishop. 00:15:28.160 --> 00:15:28.460 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:15:28.490 --> 00:15:32.210 Lloyd Bennett: So I wrote a very carefully worded letter in the terms of those times. 00:15:32.390 --> 00:15:32.720 Peter Jensen: Mm. 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:33.800 Lloyd Bennett: Your grace. 00:15:33.980 --> 00:15:36.140 Yeah, the most relevant archbishop of Sydney. 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:36.980 Your grace. 00:15:37.370 --> 00:15:43.610 It gives me pleasure to inform you that I intend to announce my engagement on such and such a date and trust. 00:15:43.610 --> 00:15:47.660 This has your goodwill showing you of my prayers for your leadership. 00:15:47.660 --> 00:15:50.660 I remain your humble and obedient servant. 00:15:50.660 --> 00:15:51.770 That was the stuff we had to. 00:15:52.115 --> 00:15:52.685 Right then. 00:15:53.075 --> 00:15:54.425 Peter Jensen: Oh, I'm so sorry 00:15:54.425 --> 00:15:55.625 those days have passed. 00:15:55.655 --> 00:15:56.015 Yes. 00:15:56.015 --> 00:15:56.405 Go on. 00:15:56.405 --> 00:15:58.325 Well, anyhow, I got a lovely bit effect 00:15:58.445 --> 00:15:59.795 Lloyd Bennett: from Yes, Archbishop Gough. 00:15:59.795 --> 00:16:05.765 It said, dear Lloyd, I'm delighted to hear of your coming engagement, and I'll give you my full permission. 00:16:07.175 --> 00:16:07.340 Peter Jensen: Yes, of course. 00:16:08.495 --> 00:16:14.570 But it's not an untypical interaction between an Englishman and an Aussie, if I may say So. 00:16:14.885 --> 00:16:18.905 There's different stages and parts to your ministry, and I'm not for the history of the. 00:16:20.135 --> 00:16:23.405 Rather the types of ministry you have been involved in. 00:16:23.405 --> 00:16:30.155 So as I look, would it be wrong to say that you have a keen sense of the importance of parish ministry, 00:16:30.725 --> 00:16:36.064 but also all the way through, you had a keen sense of the importance of ministry among the young people. 00:16:36.485 --> 00:16:37.835 Would that be fair to say? 00:16:37.835 --> 00:16:39.005 You may add to that, that that 00:16:39.005 --> 00:16:40.355 Lloyd Bennett: would be fair to say Yes. 00:16:40.715 --> 00:16:41.540 Peter Jensen: You were a curate it. 00:16:42.135 --> 00:16:43.815 In one parish or two? 00:16:43.875 --> 00:16:45.615 No one parish in two parishes. 00:16:45.615 --> 00:16:47.265 The youth work two parishes. 00:16:47.565 --> 00:16:52.155 But then you were the rector or the chief minister of two other parishes, which are they? 00:16:52.185 --> 00:16:53.325 Tell me where you minister. 00:16:53.325 --> 00:16:53.475 Okay. 00:16:53.505 --> 00:16:56.925 Lloyd Bennett: Well, when I finished College, I was too young to be ordained. 00:16:56.925 --> 00:16:57.135 Yes. 00:16:57.195 --> 00:16:59.325 But I'd been catechist at the youth department. 00:16:59.535 --> 00:16:59.625 Peter Jensen: Right. 00:16:59.715 --> 00:16:59.925 So 00:16:59.925 --> 00:17:02.445 Lloyd Bennett: they continued with me on full-time staff. 00:17:02.805 --> 00:17:02.895 Right. 00:17:02.955 --> 00:17:03.435 That was it. 00:17:03.795 --> 00:17:10.845 Then in 1964, Archdeacon Graham Delbridge came to me and said, Lloyd, we found your parish: Seven Hills. 00:17:11.250 --> 00:17:12.090 And I said, great. 00:17:12.570 --> 00:17:15.150 And I rang Isabel's up and said, we're going to Seven Hills. 00:17:15.690 --> 00:17:16.680 All the rigmarole. 00:17:16.770 --> 00:17:20.160 Meeting with people and asking questions wasn't an issue then? 00:17:20.370 --> 00:17:20.520 Peter Jensen: No. 00:17:20.520 --> 00:17:20.670 If 00:17:20.670 --> 00:17:22.770 Lloyd Bennett: the archdeacon said, you went. 00:17:23.220 --> 00:17:23.370 Peter Jensen: Yeah, 00:17:23.580 --> 00:17:25.680 Lloyd Bennett: so we went and enjoyed it. 00:17:26.070 --> 00:17:27.630 So I was curate at Seven Hills. 00:17:27.690 --> 00:17:29.219 Ah, with Peter Watson. 00:17:29.550 --> 00:17:30.390 Peter Jensen: Ah, right. 00:17:30.395 --> 00:17:30.545 Okay. 00:17:30.840 --> 00:17:32.820 Who, who, who was in charge? 00:17:33.360 --> 00:17:34.170 Lalor Park. 00:17:34.560 --> 00:17:36.990 Lloyd Bennett: Seven Hills and Lalor Park was the name of the parish. 00:17:36.990 --> 00:17:37.051 Oh, I see. 00:17:37.056 --> 00:17:37.965 Because I remember Peter at Lalor Park. 00:17:37.965 --> 00:17:39.150 Peter lived at Seven Hills. 00:17:39.150 --> 00:17:40.410 I lived at Lalor Park. 00:17:40.410 --> 00:17:40.650 Ah, right, 00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:41.220 Peter Jensen: okay. 00:17:41.610 --> 00:17:43.890 Lloyd Bennett: They had five schools in the parish. 00:17:43.950 --> 00:17:44.280 Yeah. 00:17:44.370 --> 00:17:46.860 And my first ministry was really youth work. 00:17:46.860 --> 00:17:47.370 I taught, 00:17:47.550 --> 00:17:47.879 Peter Jensen: yeah. 00:17:47.940 --> 00:17:49.680 Lloyd Bennett: 20 periods of SRE. 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:49.950 Yeah. 00:17:50.070 --> 00:17:51.000 Scripture a week. 00:17:51.270 --> 00:17:52.379 Monday was my day off. 00:17:52.830 --> 00:18:00.510 Tuesday to Friday, five periods up to lunchtime, three periods, morning tea, two periods, then home for lunch. 00:18:01.110 --> 00:18:03.150 It was quite a ministry amongst kids. 00:18:03.725 --> 00:18:12.425 Peter Jensen: I would like to pause there and say to those listening, particularly in ministry, we were men in those days, we really worked hard. 00:18:12.755 --> 00:18:13.625 Well, at least Lloyd did. 00:18:13.775 --> 00:18:14.375 I can't say I should. 00:18:14.375 --> 00:18:14.435 No, 00:18:15.605 --> 00:18:16.445 Lloyd Bennett: everybody did. 00:18:16.505 --> 00:18:17.345 Everybody did. 00:18:17.885 --> 00:18:19.025 Peter Jensen: And does still, of course. 00:18:19.030 --> 00:18:19.160 Yes. 00:18:19.565 --> 00:18:20.045 Yes. 00:18:20.195 --> 00:18:25.415 20 hours a week of Scripture—20 periods a week. 00:18:25.415 --> 00:18:25.419 20 periods a week. 00:18:25.535 --> 00:18:26.240 Yes, yes, yes. 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:26.920 That's remarkable. 00:18:26.940 --> 00:18:27.400 That's right. 00:18:28.655 --> 00:18:32.075 And in course you find out years later the impact 00:18:32.655 --> 00:18:35.115 you've had on different people and this sort of thing. 00:18:35.145 --> 00:18:35.445 Yes. 00:18:35.565 --> 00:18:36.465 Didn't know at the time. 00:18:36.825 --> 00:18:38.205 Okay, so that was Lalor Park. 00:18:38.210 --> 00:18:38.355 Well, well, 00:18:38.355 --> 00:18:41.745 Lloyd Bennett: the current Bishop of North Sydney was a kid in the Sunday school there. 00:18:41.745 --> 00:18:42.135 What do you know? 00:18:42.225 --> 00:18:43.185 And reminds me of it. 00:18:43.575 --> 00:18:43.965 Peter Jensen: What do you know? 00:18:44.535 --> 00:18:44.985 Of course. 00:18:45.045 --> 00:18:45.645 Isn't that great? 00:18:45.705 --> 00:18:46.785 That's a wonderful thing. 00:18:47.055 --> 00:18:47.145 Lloyd Bennett: Yes. 00:18:47.504 --> 00:18:49.004 Peter Jensen: So that was Lalor Park. 00:18:49.215 --> 00:18:50.025 You moved on. 00:18:50.264 --> 00:18:51.764 I'm thinking about parish ministry of the, 00:18:52.004 --> 00:18:52.335 Lloyd Bennett: okay. 00:18:52.395 --> 00:18:53.415 I went to CMS. 00:18:53.790 --> 00:18:55.950 Then I went to Bondi Beach Parish. 00:18:56.280 --> 00:18:57.180 Oh yes. 00:18:57.510 --> 00:19:02.340 Now Archbishop Loane called me and said, look, I'd like to send you here. 00:19:02.820 --> 00:19:04.740 There's a North Bondi Parish. 00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:04.920 Indeed. 00:19:05.130 --> 00:19:05.310 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:05.520 I'd 00:19:05.520 --> 00:19:09.480 Lloyd Bennett: like you to build a church there and I'll point you as curate under Gordon Robinson. 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:09.990 Oh. 00:19:10.050 --> 00:19:14.160 And then we'll form a provisional district, and yes, you'll be the first curate in charge. 00:19:14.639 --> 00:19:15.840 And I thought, okay. 00:19:16.169 --> 00:19:18.389 Again, the archbishop spoke, so I went, 00:19:18.510 --> 00:19:19.139 Peter Jensen: of course. 00:19:19.199 --> 00:19:22.409 So St. Andrews, North Bondi is, it was called, it was actually 00:19:22.409 --> 00:19:23.280 Lloyd Bennett: called St. 00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:24.360 Barnabas North Bondi. 00:19:24.600 --> 00:19:24.959 Oh, was 00:19:24.959 --> 00:19:25.050 Peter Jensen: it? 00:19:25.139 --> 00:19:27.959 Lloyd Bennett: But there was also a St. Barnabas Mill Hill. 00:19:28.080 --> 00:19:28.350 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:19:28.350 --> 00:19:29.280 There was Bondi Junction. 00:19:29.310 --> 00:19:29.730 Yes. 00:19:29.909 --> 00:19:30.745 Lloyd Bennett: And I thought, this is crazy. 00:19:31.530 --> 00:19:37.590 So then I renamed it St. Andrews so it wouldn't be confused and worked there. 00:19:37.980 --> 00:19:39.870 Peter Jensen: So you did church planting in short? 00:19:40.564 --> 00:19:40.784 Lloyd Bennett: Yes. 00:19:40.790 --> 00:19:40.949 Yes. 00:19:41.370 --> 00:19:42.000 They had that what we would 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:43.320 Peter Jensen: call church planting today. 00:19:44.730 --> 00:19:45.420 Isn't that great? 00:19:46.020 --> 00:19:49.650 Lloyd Bennett: Well, they had a church there and what it was was a two-storey building. 00:19:50.490 --> 00:19:50.520 Ah. 00:19:50.520 --> 00:19:52.920 And upstairs was the residence. 00:19:52.950 --> 00:19:53.040 Yep. 00:19:53.190 --> 00:19:54.960 And downstairs was the church. 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:55.440 Yes. 00:19:55.445 --> 00:19:55.715 Yeah. 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:57.060 And that's what I moved into. 00:19:57.060 --> 00:19:57.150 Right. 00:19:57.210 --> 00:20:00.420 And then there was the backyard and they needed a church. 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:00.960 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:20:00.990 --> 00:20:04.560 Lloyd Bennett: And parking and land at Bondi is very strict. 00:20:04.775 --> 00:20:05.195 Indeed. 00:20:05.375 --> 00:20:11.010 So my concept was that we have a two-storey building, which is a church downstairs. 00:20:11.910 --> 00:20:15.720 And then a hall upstairs, but with the windows running through. 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:16.125 So it just. 00:20:16.695 --> 00:20:18.375 Looks like a magnificent church. 00:20:18.435 --> 00:20:18.645 Yes. 00:20:18.675 --> 00:20:19.935 Yeah, that concept was built 00:20:20.295 --> 00:20:20.565 Peter Jensen: right? 00:20:20.925 --> 00:20:24.345 Lloyd Bennett: Parking was a problem 'cause council needed so many parking spaces. 00:20:24.915 --> 00:20:29.385 So I went to them cap and hand, and I said, look, we have our service at eight o'clock in the 00:20:29.385 --> 00:20:35.505 morning and there's thousands of parking spaces at Bondi Beach, and we'll be finished by nine. 00:20:36.015 --> 00:20:36.975 Would you accept that? 00:20:37.185 --> 00:20:39.165 And much my surprise, they did 00:20:39.495 --> 00:20:39.855 Peter Jensen: very good. 00:20:40.335 --> 00:20:42.165 Lloyd Bennett: So we didn't need any parking space. 00:20:43.020 --> 00:20:43.680 And that was it. 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:51.990 But sadly, there was an error in accounting, which confused both the bank, the diocese, finance department, and the parish. 00:20:52.110 --> 00:20:52.230 Peter Jensen: Mm-hmm. 00:20:52.560 --> 00:20:59.820 Lloyd Bennett: And after the building was proceeding to the first progress payment, it was decided that they couldn't continue. 00:21:00.300 --> 00:21:04.680 So if I resigned, then they didn't have to pay me. 00:21:04.860 --> 00:21:05.070 Right. 00:21:05.070 --> 00:21:06.390 They could finish the building. 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:06.780 Right. 00:21:06.780 --> 00:21:08.490 So I resigned and went and saw Archbishop Loane. 00:21:10.515 --> 00:21:12.765 And that's when he appointed me to my next parish. 00:21:12.765 --> 00:21:14.745 He said, look, I'd like to offer you. 00:21:15.345 --> 00:21:17.655 Rector of the Parish of Mulgoa. 00:21:17.895 --> 00:21:18.435 Peter Jensen: Oh yes. 00:21:18.435 --> 00:21:19.185 At Mulgoa. 00:21:19.245 --> 00:21:20.595 I noticed you were out there. 00:21:20.595 --> 00:21:20.685 We 00:21:20.745 --> 00:21:21.705 Lloyd Bennett: five churches. 00:21:21.765 --> 00:21:22.155 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:21:22.215 --> 00:21:22.905 Including 00:21:22.905 --> 00:21:24.075 Lloyd Bennett: Badgerys Creek War 00:21:24.075 --> 00:21:24.555 Peter Jensen: Warragamba. 00:21:24.710 --> 00:21:24.950 I see. 00:21:24.975 --> 00:21:25.155 And 00:21:25.155 --> 00:21:25.995 Lloyd Bennett: Warragamba Dam. 00:21:25.995 --> 00:21:30.165 Which is interesting 'cause when I worked with the water board, I often went to Warragamba. 00:21:30.315 --> 00:21:30.615 Peter Jensen: Right. 00:21:30.645 --> 00:21:32.595 Lloyd Bennett: So I knew the dam and the people there. 00:21:32.625 --> 00:21:32.775 Right. 00:21:33.045 --> 00:21:34.125 Peter Jensen: And then what was the next one? 00:21:34.815 --> 00:21:37.485 Lloyd Bennett: Then I went to Avalon, Palm Beach Parish. 00:21:37.775 --> 00:21:41.045 Peter Jensen: And you've never really left the Northern Beaches one way or another. 00:21:41.255 --> 00:21:41.495 Lloyd Bennett: No. 00:21:41.765 --> 00:21:41.975 No. 00:21:41.975 --> 00:21:42.635 That's interesting. 00:21:44.705 --> 00:21:47.105 Peter Jensen: Now tell me, you've had a long experience at this. 00:21:47.105 --> 00:21:50.405 We haven't gotta the youth work side yet, but we've had a long experience here. 00:21:50.915 --> 00:21:54.275 What have you learned about parish ministry? 00:21:54.275 --> 00:21:57.215 Say you're talking to a young man like me, for example. 00:21:57.215 --> 00:22:02.705 I'm younger than you by three years, but you're talking to ministry these days. 00:22:03.395 --> 00:22:07.355 What have you learned about ministry? 00:22:07.965 --> 00:22:10.275 And the essence of ministry in those times. 00:22:10.725 --> 00:22:16.485 Lloyd Bennett: I think the most important thing is that there are other people have God in the place that you go to, to minister to. 00:22:16.605 --> 00:22:16.755 Peter Jensen: Mm-hmm. 00:22:17.175 --> 00:22:21.645 Lloyd Bennett: And that we must consider those people in any decisions we make. 00:22:22.335 --> 00:22:28.485 And what's of concern to me is that there is, so many seem to go to a new parish saying, well. 00:22:28.735 --> 00:22:30.565 Here am I, God's answer to your prayers. 00:22:31.825 --> 00:22:34.825 And things weren't doing so well, but now they're gonna be different. 00:22:35.095 --> 00:22:35.215 Mm-hmm. 00:22:35.455 --> 00:22:41.365 And fail to recognize the difficulties or even the work that the previous minister's done. 00:22:41.905 --> 00:22:45.235 And, uh, I think it's important to take the people with you. 00:22:45.565 --> 00:22:45.655 Mm-hmm. 00:22:45.895 --> 00:22:53.965 And so whenever I wanted to make a decision, I would talk with church warden from parish council with the congregations and only move. 00:22:55.275 --> 00:22:59.565 Comfortable and felt it was happy, and sometimes they would say no to ideas. 00:22:59.925 --> 00:23:03.046 Others they would say, please, let's run with it. 00:23:03.540 --> 00:23:04.110 Peter Jensen: That's very 00:23:04.110 --> 00:23:05.790 Lloyd Bennett: interesting, but, but you must go with the people. 00:23:06.060 --> 00:23:13.950 I found that parishes are extraordinarily flexible that no matter what ministry comes in and turns the place upside 00:23:13.950 --> 00:23:21.180 and down, they're still continuing along and still put the money in the plate to support the ministry of the gospel. 00:23:21.210 --> 00:23:22.050 Peter Jensen: Right, right. 00:23:22.500 --> 00:23:25.110 Now, do you think, looking back. 00:23:25.620 --> 00:23:26.820 Thank you for that insight. 00:23:27.090 --> 00:23:33.630 I'm hoping we all hear it, but do you think that the College experience prepared you? 00:23:33.990 --> 00:23:35.400 In what way did it prepare you? 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:43.350 I mean, you prepared by a lot of things, a lot of experiences, but what did College contribute to that parish ministry 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:46.385 Lloyd Bennett: College prepared me because one, 00:23:47.415 --> 00:23:51.945 I was a trainee minister and they trained me in the areas we should be trained in. 00:23:51.945 --> 00:23:54.495 Not just theology, but practice. 00:23:54.645 --> 00:23:54.945 Peter Jensen: Mm. 00:23:55.305 --> 00:23:58.845 Lloyd Bennett: And that practice was not only theoretical. 00:23:59.925 --> 00:24:04.425 Saying this is pastor, which Bishop Loane took, mm-hmm. 00:24:04.754 --> 00:24:07.700 Taught us how to take weddings and funerals and so on. 00:24:07.800 --> 00:24:08.020 Yes. 00:24:08.050 --> 00:24:08.740 Very important. 00:24:08.840 --> 00:24:09.060 Peter Jensen: But 00:24:09.360 --> 00:24:12.105 Lloyd Bennett: how do you do it on the ground with people? 00:24:12.435 --> 00:24:12.675 Yeah. 00:24:13.004 --> 00:24:16.665 I gained experience in that by being a trainee minister. 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:23.280 A parish with a rector Wakeley Wade, who was always keen to help. 00:24:23.550 --> 00:24:29.670 So when I first arrived in the parish on Fridays, I would go to the rectory and then he would tell 00:24:29.670 --> 00:24:34.590 me what's happened during the week there and the decisions he's made, and what do I think of that? 00:24:35.275 --> 00:24:35.514 Peter Jensen: And 00:24:35.514 --> 00:24:40.465 Lloyd Bennett: we would discuss it or we would pose a situation to say, what would you do? 00:24:40.945 --> 00:24:43.105 And then I'd give him a very clear, decisive answer. 00:24:43.435 --> 00:24:44.815 And he'd say, well, have you thought of this? 00:24:44.815 --> 00:24:45.715 And have you thought of that? 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:45.860 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:24:45.955 --> 00:24:46.075 Lloyd Bennett: Yes. 00:24:46.075 --> 00:24:47.305 And you thought of something else. 00:24:47.305 --> 00:24:48.625 Peter Jensen: You learned a great deal from him. 00:24:48.745 --> 00:24:49.195 Lloyd Bennett: I did. 00:24:49.465 --> 00:24:50.514 Peter Jensen: The preaching ministry. 00:24:51.210 --> 00:24:53.970 Did it feed into your preaching ministry satisfactorily? 00:24:54.300 --> 00:24:54.480 Is that 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:55.800 Lloyd Bennett: when I was in my own parish? 00:24:55.800 --> 00:24:56.040 Yes. 00:24:56.220 --> 00:25:01.410 I always chose series. With the multi-church parishes, both at Warragamba, 00:25:01.410 --> 00:25:04.020 see I used to take five services a Sunday. 00:25:04.225 --> 00:25:05.850 Peter Jensen: Mm. I know. 00:25:05.850 --> 00:25:06.240 At each 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:06.720 Lloyd Bennett: church. 00:25:07.110 --> 00:25:10.980 And then I decided to have one church at Mulgoa. 00:25:11.010 --> 00:25:12.030 The historic church. 00:25:12.300 --> 00:25:12.390 Yes. 00:25:12.630 --> 00:25:13.590 In the evening. 00:25:13.710 --> 00:25:13.920 Yeah. 00:25:13.950 --> 00:25:17.490 And then at Warragamba the other side of the river at 9:30. 00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:17.850 Yeah. 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:20.310 And then the other service is once a month. 00:25:20.750 --> 00:25:25.820 So that meant two sermons a Sunday, because a lot of people, not a lot, but enough. 00:25:26.090 --> 00:25:26.825 Oh, came twice. 00:25:26.825 --> 00:25:26.930 Came twice. 00:25:27.500 --> 00:25:27.950 Yes, indeed. 00:25:28.025 --> 00:25:28.640 Peter Jensen: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:25:29.060 --> 00:25:30.440 So I do an Old Testament in the 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:30.800 Lloyd Bennett: morning. 00:25:30.800 --> 00:25:30.950 And 00:25:31.220 --> 00:25:34.145 Peter Jensen: so you were relying on your College studies at that point? 00:25:35.180 --> 00:25:35.391 Oh, indeed, indeed. 00:25:35.391 --> 00:25:35.600 Very much, yeah. 00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:35.990 Yes. 00:25:36.050 --> 00:25:43.850 Now you've had an extraordinary interest in children's ministry, in teenage ministry and in schools. 00:25:44.430 --> 00:25:50.220 Because you've had connections with, I mean, I know you've had connections with CMS League of Youth and all sorts of other things as 00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:58.290 well, and the Scripture teaching or the SRE teaching you mentioned, but you've also been connected to two schools and as principal. 00:25:59.205 --> 00:26:03.735 Tell us about how that happened, and is that true to your ordination vows? 00:26:03.735 --> 00:26:06.225 Why are you working in a school? 00:26:06.285 --> 00:26:07.275 What's going on there? 00:26:07.725 --> 00:26:09.615 I think it is, but I'm just interested. 00:26:09.615 --> 00:26:10.216 Yes, yes, yes. 00:26:10.221 --> 00:26:10.425 Well, 00:26:10.425 --> 00:26:14.505 Lloyd Bennett: I'm convinced, as I may, well, as a child, I used to read prolifically. 00:26:14.805 --> 00:26:14.985 Yeah. 00:26:14.985 --> 00:26:17.715 And I love to read the English schoolboy books. 00:26:17.895 --> 00:26:19.544 Yes, and that gave me a taste. 00:26:19.544 --> 00:26:23.415 And when I was converted, I thought, well, you know, I'd like to be in a school like that. 00:26:23.925 --> 00:26:30.044 So I sought opportunities and waited upon the Lord for it to see if God would confirm that call. 00:26:30.254 --> 00:26:35.955 So the opportunity came when I was at Avalon, Rod West approached me and asked me if I'd be interested in going to. 00:26:36.365 --> 00:26:37.715 Trinity as Chaplain. 00:26:37.775 --> 00:26:38.405 Peter Jensen: Oh yes. 00:26:38.405 --> 00:26:39.665 Lloyd Bennett: So that was interesting. 00:26:39.665 --> 00:26:41.825 Another parish had also approached me. 00:26:42.065 --> 00:26:42.305 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:26:42.395 --> 00:26:45.845 Lloyd Bennett: And the Archbishop said, okay, well I'm not gonna give you two offers. 00:26:46.025 --> 00:26:47.255 You've gotta make up your mind. 00:26:47.255 --> 00:26:47.555 Peter Jensen: Right. 00:26:47.645 --> 00:26:49.715 Lloyd Bennett: Are you gonna go parish or are you gonna go to schools? 00:26:49.745 --> 00:26:50.165 Yes. 00:26:50.195 --> 00:26:50.525 Yes. 00:26:50.525 --> 00:26:54.605 So that I've received firm offer from the Headmaster of Trinity Grammar School. 00:26:54.635 --> 00:26:54.905 Yes. 00:26:54.965 --> 00:26:56.435 With contract and everything else 00:26:56.435 --> 00:26:56.705 Peter Jensen: right 00:26:57.005 --> 00:26:58.325 Lloyd Bennett: before the other. 00:26:58.325 --> 00:27:00.275 So I assumed that well. 00:27:00.510 --> 00:27:02.129 This is the next step to take. 00:27:02.129 --> 00:27:02.189 Yeah. 00:27:02.820 --> 00:27:05.340 So that's when I moved into Trinity Grammar School. 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:05.850 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:27:06.060 --> 00:27:08.550 But how did you get into leading schools? 00:27:08.760 --> 00:27:11.550 I mean, chaplaincy at Trinity very important. 00:27:11.550 --> 00:27:13.649 And Rod West, one of our great servants. 00:27:14.100 --> 00:27:16.439 But what about this business of the two schools? 00:27:16.439 --> 00:27:18.510 We, I think you were the principal three. 00:27:18.785 --> 00:27:19.115 Three. 00:27:19.115 --> 00:27:19.775 I beg your pardon. 00:27:19.985 --> 00:27:20.225 Yeah, 00:27:20.225 --> 00:27:21.665 Lloyd Bennett: there's one being left out of the ebook. 00:27:21.815 --> 00:27:27.215 First of all, at Trinity, I was able to follow up what you said in teaching because 00:27:27.215 --> 00:27:31.655 in the final two years I had enough coming to Scripture, we had six classes. 00:27:31.805 --> 00:27:32.105 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:27:32.405 --> 00:27:37.955 Lloyd Bennett: And I had Christian staff teaching, so I asked those that would like to do PTC to do it. 00:27:38.015 --> 00:27:38.405 Ah. 00:27:38.435 --> 00:27:41.945 And I introduced PTC in year 11 and year, remember, I remember. 00:27:41.945 --> 00:27:41.955 Yes. 00:27:42.304 --> 00:27:43.985 And I had 65 students. 00:27:43.985 --> 00:27:44.405 Wonderful. 00:27:44.409 --> 00:27:52.324 And, and I taught that, and it's really exciting to see people in ministry who did that course and found it helpful. 00:27:52.385 --> 00:27:52.745 Indeed. 00:27:52.745 --> 00:27:52.745 Indeed. 00:27:52.804 --> 00:27:53.675 In their ministry. 00:27:53.679 --> 00:27:53.860 Peter Jensen: Indeed. 00:27:53.860 --> 00:27:54.060 Yeah. 00:27:54.304 --> 00:27:57.455 Lloyd Bennett: Who have actually adopted that now at other schools. 00:27:57.604 --> 00:27:57.695 Right. 00:27:57.935 --> 00:28:00.274 For example, as Tony George at Kings. 00:28:00.439 --> 00:28:02.990 Peter Jensen: Yeah, Moore College and so into the schools as well. 00:28:03.020 --> 00:28:04.189 Into the, into the schools. 00:28:04.219 --> 00:28:04.820 That's wonderful. 00:28:04.879 --> 00:28:08.449 Lloyd Bennett: And I was quite prepared to stay at Trinity here. 00:28:08.449 --> 00:28:12.169 I was chaplain of school, uh, and I could carry out my ministry there. 00:28:12.169 --> 00:28:12.260 Mm-hmm. 00:28:12.860 --> 00:28:20.449 It was good because they have house services galore and so I'm meeting with people who normally wouldn't necessarily come to church. 00:28:20.780 --> 00:28:27.230 They come under the sound of the gospel and so I had through that and the boarding house, that ministry. 00:28:27.985 --> 00:28:34.375 When I was asked if I would go to Peninsula Grammar School or it was Peninsula Anglican Boys School. 00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:34.780 Mm-hmm. 00:28:34.945 --> 00:28:40.435 It didn't exist, but there was the Council for the Promotion of Sydney Anglican Church schools. 00:28:40.495 --> 00:28:40.915 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:28:41.354 --> 00:28:43.334 Lloyd Bennett: Had St. Luke's Girl School. 00:28:43.604 --> 00:28:44.024 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:28:44.145 --> 00:28:52.364 Lloyd Bennett: They had St. Luke's Primary School and Loquat Valley at Bayview, a primary school, and they wanted to have a boys high school. 00:28:52.370 --> 00:28:52.639 Peter Jensen: Mm-hmm. 00:28:52.935 --> 00:28:57.735 Lloyd Bennett: And so I was approached actually by, they told me they were going to advertise it. 00:28:57.885 --> 00:28:57.975 Peter Jensen: Mm-hmm. 00:28:58.274 --> 00:29:03.080 Lloyd Bennett: And then a couple of the heads of schools approached me and said, why don't you apply for it? 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:10.290 And I thought, well, they're very much the question, how can I maintain a biblical ministry while I'm headmaster? 00:29:10.290 --> 00:29:12.060 And the answer is easy. 00:29:12.210 --> 00:29:13.590 Just keep doing what I'm doing. 00:29:14.040 --> 00:29:15.390 Love people, love the Lord. 00:29:15.390 --> 00:29:17.490 Preach the gospel and teach the Bible. 00:29:17.850 --> 00:29:18.090 Peter Jensen: Now. 00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:23.820 Okay, so you've had a lot of experience in this area, but let me ask you another question. 00:29:24.360 --> 00:29:31.260 What have you noticed has changed in Australian society, but particularly amongst young people? 00:29:32.610 --> 00:29:35.340 Of many years of ministry and. 00:29:38.715 --> 00:29:42.915 We haven't even got to your chaplaincy work amongst skiers. 00:29:43.215 --> 00:29:46.965 Mm. But we may have to leave that, but I'm, I want to ask this deeper question. 00:29:46.995 --> 00:29:47.685 What changes? 00:29:48.465 --> 00:29:54.495 Lloyd Bennett: Well, I think society's changed too, and that people have moved away from a Christian background. 00:29:54.735 --> 00:29:57.314 When I was a child, everybody was sent to Sunday. 00:29:58.095 --> 00:29:58.395 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:29:58.455 --> 00:30:00.554 Lloyd Bennett: Parents didn't go, but they, their kids. 00:30:00.855 --> 00:30:03.495 What's happened now is that there's not that. 00:30:04.615 --> 00:30:13.195 There's been a shift in society away from the gospel, away from the centrality of Jesus to their own secular life. 00:30:13.825 --> 00:30:19.225 So our preaching now and proclaiming is got to reach people in, not in a different 00:30:19.225 --> 00:30:23.815 way, but in the same way we're still proclaiming the same Lord Jesus Christ. 00:30:23.875 --> 00:30:29.215 We're still proclaiming him as the sole saviour Christ alone, Bible alone. 00:30:29.695 --> 00:30:31.705 And that's a position we can't shift from. 00:30:32.865 --> 00:30:34.095 Society doesn't want it. 00:30:34.754 --> 00:30:35.325 Peter Jensen: No. 00:30:35.445 --> 00:30:37.305 Lloyd Bennett: And they therefore reflect in their kids. 00:30:37.395 --> 00:30:37.845 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:30:37.940 --> 00:30:38.879 And it does, doesn't it? 00:30:38.879 --> 00:30:39.200 Mm-hmm. 00:30:39.375 --> 00:30:43.875 And breakdown of marriage, other things like this, that's accessibility of drugs. 00:30:43.875 --> 00:30:44.840 Technological, yes. 00:30:45.044 --> 00:30:45.405 Lloyd Bennett: Yes. 00:30:45.465 --> 00:30:48.915 Peter Jensen: So last question, is Moore College unnecessary? 00:30:49.395 --> 00:30:50.985 How important is the College? 00:30:51.735 --> 00:30:52.875 Lloyd Bennett: Oh, it's essential. 00:30:52.965 --> 00:30:58.635 I mean, there needs to be thorough, grounded training by, well. 00:31:00.570 --> 00:31:06.720 But the qualification is those who love the Lord Jesus as their saviour, and are concerned and 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:13.170 experienced in ministry and want to preach the gospel that they've been taught in a clear, decisive way. 00:31:13.530 --> 00:31:17.250 So there is no confusion of what the gospel is. 00:31:18.030 --> 00:31:19.770 Peter Jensen: I couldn't put it better myself. 00:31:20.310 --> 00:31:21.449 I think that's pretty good. 00:31:22.080 --> 00:31:25.379 Lloyd, we are very, very grateful for you coming and sharing with us today. 00:31:25.379 --> 00:31:26.310 There's so much else. 00:31:26.310 --> 00:31:30.629 I know there's so much else you can tell us about, but what you've told us is 00:31:30.629 --> 00:31:35.520 really significant, and I think you've given us a sort of a beginning and an end. 00:31:35.520 --> 00:31:39.719 You've talked to us about your experience of College and coming to College and the fact that 00:31:41.324 --> 00:31:43.845 in you, the person he wanted at College. 00:31:44.115 --> 00:31:49.875 And also that remarkable story of the gentleman who set aside money for you to come and didn't tell you. 00:31:49.875 --> 00:31:50.445 I had no idea. 00:31:50.475 --> 00:31:50.774 Peter Jensen: Yeah. 00:31:51.254 --> 00:31:54.195 Peter Jensen: So we've seen that and then you've hit the nail on the head. 00:31:54.195 --> 00:31:58.544 I think with the remarks you've made about the necessity of the College, the 00:31:58.544 --> 00:32:02.534 ongoing necessity of College in this entirely different world we are living in. 00:32:03.014 --> 00:32:04.215 Thank you very much indeed. 00:32:04.665 --> 00:32:06.585 And may God bless you and keep you. 00:32:06.885 --> 00:32:11.115 And I know from personal friends that you have not stopped your ministry. 00:32:11.595 --> 00:32:13.905 Lloyd Bennett: Oh, I served in the Army for 33 years. 00:32:14.505 --> 00:32:15.825 Oh, I've forgotten about the Army. 00:32:16.095 --> 00:32:16.515 Yes. 00:32:16.515 --> 00:32:17.955 And And the ski ministry for 00:32:18.015 --> 00:32:18.435 Peter Jensen: Yes. 00:32:18.435 --> 00:32:18.975 25 00:32:18.975 --> 00:32:19.425 Lloyd Bennett: years now. 00:32:19.455 --> 00:32:20.325 Peter Jensen: 25 years. 00:32:20.415 --> 00:32:20.745 Yeah. 00:32:20.895 --> 00:32:21.855 You've got a lot more. 00:32:22.635 --> 00:32:23.415 But time does not. 00:32:23.415 --> 00:32:24.165 Time doesn't allow. 00:32:24.345 --> 00:32:25.695 But thank you very much indeed. 00:32:25.875 --> 00:32:27.615 Lloyd Bennett: And thank you very much for your leadership. 00:32:27.620 --> 00:32:27.780 Okay. 00:32:27.980 --> 00:32:28.430 God Bless. 00:32:36.410 --> 00:32:41.150 Karen Beilharz: Thank you for listening to Moore in the Word, a podcast of Moore Theological College. 00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:46.340 Our vision as a College is to see God glorified by men and women living for 00:32:46.370 --> 00:32:51.050 and proclaiming Jesus Christ, growing healthy churches and reaching the lost. 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