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Welcome back, everybody. This is Neogentrics,

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your host for Food for Thought, Thoughts If It

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Were You. This is season two. The year 2020 is

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here. We're going to pick up where we left off

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with the last story that I covered for the Dark

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Truth series. And this one, we're going to talk

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about Rapunzel. No, don't get me wrong. There's

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a lot of other stuff I'm wanting to cover this

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year, especially this semester. with all the

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changes happening but i will be having a lot

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of guests uh peeking in on the podcast that i

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have here and there and everywhere and i'll be

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covering a lot of new stuff this year if you

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have any suggestions again feel free to let me

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know so let's go and get started with rapunzel

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first things first i want y 'all to know something

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okay The story that everyone knows about the

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long -haired girl that lived in the tower, that's

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not how that story was originally written. The

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real Rapunzel wasn't just a beautiful woman locked

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in a tower. If not anything, she was actually

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a literal saint, or at least one of the early

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inspirations for the folktale that would later

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become Rapunzel. The actual story is actually

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a lot darker than the Grimm Brothers version

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that a lot of people are now familiar with, in

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which the prince seduces Rapunzel instead of

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saving her. We'll cover that in more detail later.

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Just like the true story of Snow White and Seven

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Dwarves, Disney had to change a lot in the Rapunzel

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story before turning it out as a children's film,

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as you're all aware. Now, with that being said...

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The real story was about her being a literal

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saint. Her name was Saint Barbara. She was the

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daughter of a rich Roman merchant in the 3rd

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century. Now, her own father actually did lock

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her into a tower so that she wouldn't convert

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to convert Christianity. But Barbara still found

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a way. She also resisted marriage, just like

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the Christian saints who protected their virginity

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with some extreme measures. I love how a lot

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of these stories always have something to do

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with religion in some way or the other. Anyway,

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as punishment for her faith, Barbara's pagan

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father grabbed her by the hair and, well, beheaded

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her. Yeah, that happened. The links between St.

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Barbara and Rapunzel go beyond both being locked

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in towers. Like St. Barbara, Rapunzel was an

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independent woman who refused to listen to authority,

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but luckily for Rapunzel, she didn't suffer the

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same gruesome fate as the stories that were inspired.

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for Rapunzel. Okay? So, starting with that, the

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tragic tale of St. Barbara was inspired by the

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tower and the tribulations of Rapunzel. With

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that being said, there were multiple versions

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of the Rapunzel story, but they all shared one

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common feature. The heroine is a beautiful woman,

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you know, locked in some tower somewhere. And

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in one of those stories, it was partially...

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inspired for the tale of Rapunzel was most likely

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the story of St. Barbara, like I mentioned earlier,

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as an early Christian martyr who was locked in

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the tower. The tale was compiled by Jacobus de

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Voragin. Look, I don't know how to pronounce

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his name. He was the Archbishop of Genoa in 1275

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CE. While Barbara's story is a key difference

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from the Rapunzel stories, rather than a whole

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magical captor who trapped her in a tower, the

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evil person in Barbara's life was actually her

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father, not a witch. In the early years of Christianity,

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Barbara was secretly converted to the new faith,

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but her father, who practiced a Roman religion,

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locked his daughter in a tower so she couldn't

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be a Christian. It's the whole preference of

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that. Next, I'm going to talk about the so -called

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evil witch in her life, being her father. when

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we come right back all right everybody and we're

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back moving on where i left off in the last piece

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um in the rapunzel story the heroine is locked

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in the tower by an evil witch or an ogre, or

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a fairy, depending on the version of the story

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that you're familiar with. But in The Legend

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of St. Barbara, the woman was actually locked

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in a tower by her father. Now... The legend holds

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that her father shut her in the tower for one

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of two different reasons. One was because she

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was very beautiful, and he didn't want any unsuitable

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suitors kidding her, and he wanted to pick her

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husband, so he limited the competition by hiding

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her. The other one was that, obviously, like

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I mentioned before, he feared the influence of

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a new religion, Christianity, because he was

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obviously a wealthy Roman merchant. And he didn't

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like the idea of the Fates' emphasis on helping

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the poor, and he knew his daughter liked... to

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help the poor more than anything else. So he

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tried to lock her in the tower. Now, despite

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being in the tower, she still found a way to

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read and learn about Christianity anyway. Even

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though she spent those years in the tower, getting

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her food, clothes delivered to her by a basket

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on a rope, somehow... some way the new religion

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still found a way to reach her now according

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to the legend a stranger snuck a book into barbara's

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basket this is what taught her about christianity

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and of course she instantly converted she even

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tricked her father into sending a priest to her

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by pretending to be ill and requesting a doctor

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now priests were known as doctors of the soul

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so that she could secretly receive baptism In

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The Saint's Tale, though, Barbara's conversion

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is treated as a miraculous accomplishment, but

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it also led to her downfall. Keeping this in

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mind, she had to hide messages built into the

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very architecture of her tower for various reasons.

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Why? Well, let's see. She secretly practiced

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her Christian faith against her father's wishes,

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and one sign of her hidden faith was built into

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the tower where she was trapped. When Barbara's

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father was out of town, she asked the men working

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at her... on her tower. To make one change, instead

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of putting two windows in the tower, she wanted

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three. The architectural modification wasn't

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because Barbara wanted to make sure she got enough

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light. Rather, the windows were a reminder of

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the Holy Trinity. One window each for the Father,

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Son, and Holy Spirit. Or, as Barbara explained

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to her father, three windows lightening all the

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world and all creatures, but two make darkness.

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It was as good as a confession that she was secretly

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a Christian. though her father didn't know that

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at the time now with that being said according

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to the life of st barbara which was written in

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the thirteenth century her father was furious

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when she told him that she had actually converted

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he dragged her to jail by her hair i don't know

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how to say this spoiler warning This is going

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to be a bit brutal, so if you can't handle this,

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please skip ahead. Her father basically took

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her by the hair, drew her down from the mountain,

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and shut her fast into a prison. And even though

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she was his own daughter, the father demanded

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that she go on trial simply for being a Christian.

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And at the trial, the pagan judge ordered Barbara

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to choose between renouncing her Christianity

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or torture. Well, as you probably already know,

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she chose to torture. She also made a very fiery

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speech where she said, and I quote, fire on your

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devils and her faith carried her through a series

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of gruesome tortures. Moving forward with that,

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her tortures were horrific, but the final one

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was way, way worse. The judge stripped Barbara

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completely naked and beat her with a... How do

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I put this? Sins of bulls and fraught her flesh

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with salt. Think of it like a cat -o' -nine -tails

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whip. The second round included cutting off her

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breasts and burning her with lamps. And back

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then they had oil lamps, so yeah. When Barbara

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was paraded through the town naked to shame her,

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God sent an angel to cloak her body in fog so

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Barbara wouldn't suffer too much. In the end,

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the same person who locked Barbara in the tower

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actually ended up ending her life. Her own father

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grabbed her beautiful hair and struck off Barbara's

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head with the sword. According to the legend,

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as soon as Barbara died, a bolt of lightning

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struck her father and killed him. Jeez. Well.

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Now that I got that out of the way, as gruesome

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as that was, next we're going to talk about how

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the long hair might have come from a Persian

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epic of this story. Alrighty then, after all

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of that depressing nonsense, let's go ahead and

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move forward. We're talking about now where her

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long hair might have come from and which epic

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it may have referred to. Now, however, none of

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the stories of St. Barbara claim that she had

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extremely long hair. Keep this in mind. Her hair

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is mentioned several times when her father drags

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her to prison by her hair and when he pulls her

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hair back to basically, you know, nip her off.

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But... No one climbs her hair, which is the key

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element of the later version of Rapunzel's story

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that we're all familiar with. Where did this

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long tresses of Rapunzel's fairy tale hair come

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from? Well, most people argue that the long hair

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was borrowed from a Persian epic, the Shamana,

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Shamane, however you wish to pronounce that.

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This epic was written around the year 1000 CE.

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Now, in the story, the beautiful Radaba, that

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was her name, catches the eye of a young hero

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named Zal in order to meet up. He visits her

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tower and she throws down her long hair so he

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can climb up to see her. Of course, their story

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ends with an unplanned pregnancy and a Romeo

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and Juliet. Romeo and Juliet twist, where their

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fathers don't approve of the union because Zala

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is Persian and Radaba is Babylonian, but they

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get a happy ending when astrologers predict that

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their son will conquer the world. Yeah, I know,

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weird, isn't it? However, in another version

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of Rapunzel's tale, in the late 1600s, a woman

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wrote her own version of Rapunzel's story. And

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she used it to criticize the most powerful ruler

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in Europe, Charlotte Rose de Comont de la Force.

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She was a French fairytale writer with a scandalous

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history. She had multiple affairs, including

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one with an actor who shocked the royal court

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by accidentally leaving his nightcap in her room.

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And according to the one rumor, Charlotte Rose

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was sent away from court when King Louis XIV,

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the Sun King, suspected her of sleeping with

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his son. Dang. Anyway, Charlotte Rose wasn't

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just sent away. She was locked in a convent against

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her wishes. While in the convent, she wrote her

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own version of Rapunzel's story called Persianette.

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Did the author identify the beauty locked in

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the tower? Well, if so, the evil fairy tale in

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Persianette was a clear allusion to Louis XIV

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who forced Charlotte Rose into a convent. In

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case y 'all wanted to know how that story came

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to be. Now, in the original, Rapunzel is sold

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to an ogre because her mother stole parsley.

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Yeah, you heard me right. Parsley. In the first

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version of Rapunzel's story, it was basically

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written by Gia Bautista Basile in the early 1600s.

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Basile's version tells the story of a long -haired

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beauty trapped in a tower and a prince who comes

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to rescue her, but that's where the similarities

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to the movie that was written by Disney called

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Tangled in 2010 end. For those who were curious

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if this movie was related to that. As for how

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Rapunzel ends up in the tower, Basile's explanation

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is actually a little more depressing. It involves

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a horrible punishment for stealing a garnish

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that most people throw in the trash. The story

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starts with Rapunzel's mom, uh, basically...

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stealing parsley from an ogre's garden because

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it looked so delicious. When the ogre finally

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catches the food thief, Rapunzel's mother is

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forced to give up her firstborn to the ogre as

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a punishment for stealing the herb. After poor

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Rapunzel is born, her mother basically hands

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her over to be locked in a tower, which is even

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darker than the one that they mentioned in Tangled

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when they did the kidnapping explanation. With

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that being said, let me go ahead and talk about

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the prince really quick. The Grimm Brothers are

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known for some pretty dark fairy tales, and Rapunzel

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is no exception. In the first version of the

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fairy tale written in 1812, a handsome prince

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finds Rapunzel locked in her tower, comes up

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to rescue her, but instead of rescuing the beautiful

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woman, the prince visits her every day for a

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different reason. As the Grimm Brothers tell

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it, and I quote, they lived in joy and pleasure

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for a long time. until Rapunzel realizes the

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risks of unprotected sex. Rapunzel asks her captor,

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and I quote, The evil woman, a fairy in this

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version of the story, kicks Rapunzel out of the

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tower and blinds the prince. The sad lovers wander

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in the woods for years until they find each other

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and fall back in love. Yeah. Not exactly the

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best turnout, for all those who know. You can

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kind of figure out where this ended. We're going

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to take another short break real quick, and I'm

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going to finish off this segment with a little

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bit of other information, and then we'll go on

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into something new. I'll tell you what it is.

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Look forward to that, and let's get going. All

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right, everybody. Now with all the weird stuff

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out of the way, let me go ahead and, before we

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finish this up, because there's only a little

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bit left I want to cover, let me go ahead and

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say this. A lot of these stories have a very

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dark turn to them, and a lot of people don't

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realize that they have very horrifying origins.

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They only know the blissful world that they live

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in and don't really care to know about where

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they came from. This is no different than being

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ignorant of your past, and a lot of people fall

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short to this. They're quick to want to defend

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themselves and say that they aren't ignorant,

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but to be fair, anyone who doesn't choose to

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learn and move forward is technically of that

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class. That doesn't mean everybody is like that.

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Some people want to do it the hard way, and they'll

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still learn. They'll just be doing it a different

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way. But anyone who chooses to stay ignorant

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isn't, you know, actually enriching themselves

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in the way that they should. With that being

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said, with all the talks of torture, beheadings,

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and unplanned pregnancies, obviously, you know

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Disney's not going to want that in any of their

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books or in their stories that they produce.

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Now, Barbara's gruesome story of conversion and

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beheading is a long way from the Disney version

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of Rapunzel that everybody knows. But like Rapunzel,

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Barbara was a beautiful woman who was treated

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badly by her parents. And remember, in the original

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stories, Rapunzel was given to the evil witch

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by her parents as punishment for stealing parsley.

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While the original Rapunzel was no virgin, Barbara

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reportedly refused to marry and remain chaste.

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And according to the medieval saints' lives,

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Barbara's story also has a happy ending, since

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after the horrific torture and beheading by her

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father, Barbara became a saint. Now, still, after

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learning the history of Barbara and the early

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disturbing versions of Rapunzel, it is clear

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why Disney clearly changed a few things in the

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movie Tangled when they basically produced it.

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You know, there's a lot of stuff and a lot of

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reasons that went into this. Now, keep in mind

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that, like I said before, a lot of this stuff

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that I'm covering is definitely R -rated. And

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it's not suited for everybody to listen to. Now,

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with that being said, let's just assume for a

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fact that you don't want to hide this from your

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kids no more and you want them to know. Or you

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are one of those kids who wanted to know but

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are afraid to hear what you just heard. heads

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up, it's not as great as you think it is. And,

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you know, life is a lot like this. These stories

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were written in the past, and keep in mind that

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they were originally considered tales suitable

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for kids then. Nowadays, may not be so. So with

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that being said, we're going to go ahead and

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move forward from this. This is the last episode.

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I'm probably going to do of this unless it's

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requested again. Though there are still like

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two or three more stories I can definitely cover.

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But I'm not going to do that for a while. Coming

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up next is the Black History Month in February.

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But I want to get a couple more episodes in before

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January is over. So if you have any suggestions,

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feel free to let me know. And we'll move forward

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with there. Again, this is Food for Thought.

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Thoughts if it were you. I'm your host, Neogentrix.

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Enjoy the rest of your day.
