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Hey everybody, welcome back. This is Food for

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Thought, Thoughts that Fit With You, and I'm

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your host, Neogentrics. Again, it's lovely to

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see that everyone is enjoying my different podcasts,

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the different stories that I'm covering, and

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everything else that I've managed to put here

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on my channel. But we're still going with the

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Dark Truths series. There's a lot of stories

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to cover, and there's a lot of things that need

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to be made clear. A lot of these stories that

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everyone seemed to love, that they thought was

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great. You know, growing up and nowadays, we're

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going into a society where the past is being

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forgotten and nobody wants to hear about the

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tragic truths of the past. No one wants to hear

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about how gruesome and how terrible it was. They

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want to move into an age where, you know, everything

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is all rainbows and butterflies. There's only

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one problem with that. With that comes ignorance

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and famed ignorarity. People tend to move away

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from stuff that they don't seem to understand

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or want to enjoy. Even horror films nowadays

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have been made, how do I put it, subliminal,

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where you're basically immune to it. They're

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not scary anymore. They've become a normal type

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of series that you watch. And unless you're some

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type of paranormal freak, you don't really enjoy

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them anymore. The sad thing is, people don't

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seem to understand that if you want something

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that's really horrific, you should probably travel

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into the past, as that's where most of it dwells.

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An example would be Snow White and the Seven

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Dwarves. It's one of the most famous fairy tales

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in the world. You know, it was one of the very

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first Disney animated in their feature film series.

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However, the true story that inspired Snow White

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is no fairy tale. Margaret Von Walden. Deck.

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Waldeck. Hmm. She was a 16th century princess,

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but the Grimm brothers had to change a few details

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to make the story less, um, wretched, if you

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know what I mean. The real life Snow White battled

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against an evil stepmother, fell in love with

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a prince, was poisoned, but there was no happy

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ending for Margaret, just like the tragic story

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behind Beauty and the Beast. If you haven't heard

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that podcast yet, you should probably go and

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check it out on my channel. It's somewhere there.

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If I haven't covered it yet, believe me, it will

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be coming to my podcast real soon. Anyway, Margaret's

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biography shows the dangers of entrusting your

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life to royalty when you shouldn't. However bad

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the real Snow White's life was, the dwarves...

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And the story had it actually even worse. Now,

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we know who inspired Snow White. The real story

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behind the dwarves can finally be brought to

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light. No, they weren't happy singing minors

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like Disney portrays them. Instead, they were

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child laborers who were stunted and deformed

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from years of working deep underground. Turns

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out that the real story is not exactly Disney

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material, to be fair. So, before we jump into

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that, we're going to take a short break here.

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After that little bit that I just gave you, decide

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if you still want to hear the rest of this story.

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If you do, continue listening. If not, it's probably

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time you change and go to a different episode

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from the listings that I have on my podcast channel.

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Or, check out someone else until the next episode

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on my channel comes out. Until then, I'll just

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be right back. Well, I'm assuming if you made

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it this far that you're willing to hear the rest

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of this story. So if that's the case, let's go

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ahead and move on to the real life Snow White

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and her story and how tragic it actually was

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compared to the fairy tale. In 2013, a scholar

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named Eckhart Sanders, you may remember I mentioned

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him before, argued that Snow White was based

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on the life of a real woman. The woman's name

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was Margaret von Waldeck. a Bavarian princess

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from the 16th century. Margaret grew up in a

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castle and lived in the court of Mary of Hungary,

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sister to Europe's most powerful ruler. Even

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so, her life was way too tragic to be confused

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with a fairy tale. Still, Margaret suffered under

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an evil stepmother after the death of her biological

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mother when Margaret was only four years old.

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Just like Snow White, Margaret was also poisoned,

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only her prince tragically wasn't able to save

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her from her fate. Next, we're going to cover

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the workers in the mine. Like I mentioned before,

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the mines left children stunted and deformed

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from the fact that they used to work in there

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for so long. Long ago, before child labor laws

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became a thing here in the present, Margaret's

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father made poor children work in his mines as

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quasi -slaves. They're not entirely slaves, but

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they weren't entirely free either. The conditions

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were terrible, and many of the children died

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at a very young age, so no one would ever know

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that they existed. And, you know, those who managed

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to survive had severely stunted growth, probably,

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you know, from being overworked and malnourished,

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working in those mines for all those years. Many

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of them also had deformed limbs due to malnutrition,

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as you would imagine. Historian Eckhart Sanders,

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He believed that the dwarves in the fairy tale

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may be based on the poor children who worked

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in the copper mines for Margaret's father. Because

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of their stunted growth and deformed lives, the

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child laborers were often called the poor dwarves.

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Unfortunately, there's little record of Margaret's

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relationship with these abused child laborers,

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so they can't really claim that it's actually

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the case. The real Snow White lived in a magical

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castle until her father sent her away. Sort of

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true. Okay. Margaret was the daughter of a German

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count, and from a young age, she was famous for

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her beauty, obviously. After her mother died,

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her father remarried, and the young Snow White,

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more or less, was sent away, possibly at her

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stepmother's request. Now, at the age of 12,

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Margaret moved once again to live with her dead

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mother's brother at Valkenburg Castle in the

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Netherlands. Today, only the ruins of the once

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massive castle even still remain. Her life was

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only stable for a short time, as in 1549, when

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she was 16, her father sent her to the court

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of Mary of Hungary in Brussels. Margaret's father

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was hoping to use his beautiful daughter to sway

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the Holy Roman Empire to his side, but... The

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plot ended very badly for Margaret. And like

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with Snow White, Margaret also still had an evil

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stepmother she had to deal with. Like I mentioned

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before, after her mother died, her father, Count

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Philip IV, my Roman numerals, I'm getting them

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confused, of Waldeck remarried, like I've mentioned

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before, his new wife was Catherine von Hotsfield.

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Even as a teenager, though, Margaret was famous

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for her beauty even during this period, and like

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in the fairy tale, the evil stepmother allegedly

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was bitterly jealous of Margaret and her good

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looks. So what do you think Katharina did? She

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ordered her new husband to send her daughter

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far, far away. This request wasn't unusual. Her

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marriage was uncommon. I'm sorry, was common.

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And the children of the previous marriages were

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often cast aside when the new wife arrives. Wow,

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that sounded dark. Margaret would eventually

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be poisoned in Brussels, but unlike in the fairy

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tale, Katharina wasn't actually behind that plot.

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She didn't do anything, as you would have imagined.

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Now that I've covered that, let me take a short

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break here, and I'm going to talk about the dwarves

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for a minute. Okay, so we got that mess out of

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the way. Let's talk about something else. Seven

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dwarves, huh? Seven dwarves, seven dwarves, seven

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dwarves. Well, I already told you this is a deal

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with child labor, so do you honestly believe

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that seven dwarves is actually the case? It's

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more like 20, to be fair. Or more, give or take

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on how many actually survived. In the Disney

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version, the dwarves are happy companions to

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Snow White. They protected her from harm and

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worked together to save her life. In the 16th

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century version, however, like I said before,

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they were exploited children who work under horrific

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conditions. Margaret's father housed the child

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workers in a copper mining village called...

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Forgive me for the pronunciation of this. I have

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it written down, but... I do believe that's how

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it's pronounced. Anyway, the village... calls

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itself Schneewichtendorf or Snow White's Village

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in English translation. God help me. I'm still

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learning. I'm learning Russian and Italian, not

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German. So like the Disney dwarves, however,

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the child laborers often lived in a single room

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house, but it was a lot more than seven to a

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home. Okay. In the 16th century, it was typical

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for upwards of 20 child laborers to share a single

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room. Disney's version might have been different

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if it was called Snow White and the 20 malnourished

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children workers. But, I mean, for lack of a

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better phrasing and Disney trying to make it

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as child -friendly as they possibly can. Good

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on you, Disney, for that much anyway. It doesn't

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change the fact that they weren't as happy as

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they portrayed. While she was in Brussels in

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the court of Mary of Hungary, Margaret met a

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real prince. That part is no lie. Mary's nephew

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was only 22 when they met, but he was also the

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son of Europe's most powerful ruler, the Holy

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Roman Empire's Charles V. His name was Philip.

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Irony. But he was later known as King of Spain,

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Philip II, for various reasons. Margaret met

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Philip during one... of the prince's visits with

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his aunt. Philip pursued Margaret for months,

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and the two reportedly had a steamy love affair,

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if you will. Tragically, though, their love was

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doomed, as Margaret was Protestant and Philip

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was Catholic. If that wasn't enough to keep the

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two apart, after a brief romance, Margaret was

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murdered, as I mentioned before. Now, in real

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life, the evil stepmother wasn't actually the

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murderer, like in the story. The brothers Grimm

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eventually wrote down the story of Snow White

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in the 19th Street book of fairy tales. But when

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they did that, the brothers rewrote the parts

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of Margaret's story to make it read more like

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a fairy tale. And in the brother Grimm's version,

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the evil stepmother has a magic mirror that she

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uses every morning, asking it mirror mirror on

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the wall. Who is the in this land is the fairest

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of them all or something of that nature. And

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in the original. However, the evil stepmother

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is eventually driven mad with jealousy over Snow

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White's beauty. She disguises herself as a peddler

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and chokes Snow White to death with a lace bonnet

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or a poison apple in some versions that we're

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more familiar with. In real life, though, Margaret

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was killed, but her stepmother wasn't the killer.

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Margaret's stepmother actually died before Margaret

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actually did. On another unrelated note. The

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poison apple was actually, like I said before,

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which was added later. How do I put this? Margaret,

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hold on, let me go back to this. Margaret was

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actually really poisoned, but there was no apple

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involved. Okay, if the Snow White's fairy tale

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was based on Margaret's life, you know, why did

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later versions change the murder weapon to an

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apple? Well, the change up might have happened

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to make the story a little juicier, if you will.

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Although the showdown between the disguised stepmother

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and the innocent Snow White is pretty high tension

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to start with. However, there might have been

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a historical basis for the poisoned apple story.

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How do I put this? German historian Eckhart Sanders

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argues that the poisoned apple in the Snow White

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fairy tale came from a different historical event.

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An old man was once arrested in Germany for giving

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poisoned apples to children. Um, and he was suspected

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the children were stealing. He suspected that

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the children were stealing his fruit. So he poisoned

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a few of the pieces to teach them a lesson. Although

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the idea of using poison fruit as a weapon might

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have found its way into the Snow White story

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based off of that story as inspiration. Though

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I don't condone people for, I mean, how do I

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put this? If you find someone stealing from your

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stuff, don't kill them. Especially if they're

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children. Not like that, anyway. However, moving

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forward, that's kind of the basis where the apple

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came from. But again, like I said, the original

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real -life Snow White Margaret was poisoned,

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but the apple wasn't the way that she had died.

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And the stepmother couldn't have actually done

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it, like I said before, because she already had

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died before her. So, let's take a short break

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here. And then I'm going to move forward into

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what happened next. Seeing how we finally came

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to terms that the stepmother in the real life

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version of Snowlight, didn't actually kill her

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like in the story versions it kind of begs the

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question who murdered her then because obviously

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she had to die of poison somehow in some way

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for the story to be based off of that right well

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let's have a look shall we in real life margaret

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didn't live a happily ever after we understand

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this She had a whirlwind romance with King Philip

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II of Spain, but true enough to what I mentioned

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before, love's kiss couldn't bring her back to

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life. What's more, her murder had more to do

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with the royal politics than it did with beauty,

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which is ironic. Philip was heir to the throne

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of Spain, and his father was Holy Roman Emperor

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Charles V. That's a mouthful. the most powerful

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ruler in Europe at that period. Charles was in

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the middle of a bloody conflict with his Protestant

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subjects who were revolting against their emperor

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in the middle of the Reformation. Charles couldn't

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allow his son to fall for a Protestant like Margaret.

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Because, you know, he was trying to deal with

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all of that at the same time. And according to

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some historical accounts, Charles sent Spanish

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agents to basically poison Margaret. The plot

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worked, and she died only 21 years old. Dun,

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dun, dun. The king of the prince, who was supposedly

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her savior in the story, more or less, is the

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one who killed her. Not the stepmother. But,

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you know, that doesn't exactly work out well

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for happily ever afters or bedtime fairy tales.

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Father attempts to poison the sons. The prince

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is very mate, but then the prince comes and saves

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her. Yeah, that's going to work over really well.

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Anyway. The real Snow White white dwarves. Regardless

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of the version, Snow White always appears with

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the seven dwarves and. It's a central part of

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the fairy tale and is made explicit to the title

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of Disney for their version. In the Grimm's version,

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though, the dwarves live together in a house

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and dig ore from the mountain. They take in Snow

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White after her stepmother's first attempt to

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end her life, in this version. They protect her

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when her stepmother tries again to kill her.

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So, who are the dwarves in Margaret's life? It

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turns out that her father owned several copper

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mines, and just like the mines that the dwarves

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visited every day in their cheery hi -ho song,

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which I'm not going into right now, unfortunately,

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the real copper mines were nothing to sing about,

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and the child laborers who worked there were

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in no position to save anybody. If not anything,

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they needed saving themselves. On the other hand,

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there's another theory that claims that the real

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-life Snow White was an 18th century princess

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also. While there's a great deal of evidence

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that Margaret von Waldeck inspired the Snow White

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story, some believe that the fairy tale is actually

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based on a different German princess, Maria Sophia

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von Erthel. She was born in 1729, I believe,

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in Bavaria, and was the daughter of Prince Philip

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Christoph von Erthel, Maria actually owned a

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talking mirror. I'm going to leave that alone.

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It was an acoustical toy that could speak. And

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it is now at the Spessart Museum in Germany.

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So it still exists. It's still there. And like

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Margaret, Maria Sofia also had close ties to

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the mines. She grew up near the mining town of

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Biber. Irony of name. where only very short miners

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could access the smallest tunnels. These workers

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often wore bright hoods and dark outfits, just

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like the dwarves in the fairy tale. Needless

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to say, It isn't surprising that there are multiple

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real life stories that match so closely with

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the Snow White fairy tale. I mean, during the

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17th century, 20 to 25 percent of all children

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lost a birth parent in a time when morality was

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high, especially for childbearing women. A number

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of daughters grew up with evil stepmothers or

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Margaret's mother, like in this example, had

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nine children before she died and she was still

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in her 30s. So, holy hell, nine children? I wrote

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this down. I didn't read it. Okay. Anyway, it's

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possible that Snow White's story was actually

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based on Maria instead of Margaret. But hey,

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who's to say? Rather than Margaret or the fable,

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you know, could be a mix of multiple true stories

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altogether. I mean, you never really know. But

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the whole point of this is that the real life

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version or real people that it was based off

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of didn't exactly have the same kind of happy

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ending that we know of. And the children that

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worked in the mines weren't actually happy -go

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-lucky dwarves that could save anybody in each

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version of the story anyway. And even if it was

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the short man who mined that in the Maria Sophia

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version of the story, based off of the real life

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Maria Sophia, there's still not a chance in hell

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that the dwarves would be able to save her, let

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alone... help her out in their condition since

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they work in those mines. And in a lot of places,

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these mines were considered poisonous in their

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own right, so these guys would have been weak,

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not exactly strong enough to do anything. Regardless,

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Margaret von Waldeck's tragic life is a reminder

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that falling in love with a prince doesn't always

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lead to a happy ending. And I just thought I'd

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go ahead and point that out. That wasn't the

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whole point of me giving this story or this spiel

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in the first place. No point in this was to let

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you know that the story isn't as gung -ho as

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everyone thinks it is. But then, most of these

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stories aren't. And with that, I bring this to

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a close. I thank you guys for listening. Again,

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this is Food for Thought Thoughts, if it were

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you. I'm your host, NeoGentrix. Look forward

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to the next Dark Truth Reveal episode. Until

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then, enjoy the rest of your day.
