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That's the life we were meant to live.

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We're not living that anywhere on the planet today.

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So I've heard you talk before that there hasn't been much innovation.

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last 40 years or so, you say how there really hasn't been that much innovation.

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In fact, let's look at the area that you just mentioned where there has been a lot of advancement

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over the computer and internet and information technology.

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So that's where you do see advancement.

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But everywhere else, you have heavy government regulations and that stems back to something

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that I call initiatory force, which is the scourge of mankind that holds everything

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And that's always been the case in any civilization under the ruling class.

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and that holds everything back.

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That's why we haven't had really great innovations in the past 40 or so years.

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I realized this quite some time ago and over a dozen years ago, I started a political party,

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a third party called the 12 Visions Party, the TVP for short.

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And the whole idea behind that was to remove initiatory force with something called the

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The whole purpose of the 12 Visions Party was to try to promote the prime law with the

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end goal of having it being the 28th Amendment to our Constitution, the prime law amendment.

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That's never happened before.

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And what is initiatory force?

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Initiatory force is the initiation of force.

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You can have self-defense force.

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And that's the real purpose of government.

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This self-defense force, protection, that's the primary reason and purpose of government.

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Once government grows beyond protecting the people, then it's entering the world of initiating

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So that's why I started, I said the 12 Visions Party over a dozen years ago.

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The whole thing was to promote the prime law, which banishes initiatory force throughout

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all society and throughout government itself, which has never been done before.

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Every ruling class, every society, it was inherent in the governing body that they had

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the right to initiatory force.

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The prime law, which banishes initiatory force, what does that mean?

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Well, it's not the government's role to tell businesses what they can and cannot do, to

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tell people what they can or cannot do.

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That's all supplying demand.

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That's all left to the marketplace.

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It just keeps pushing down and suppressing and limiting the natural flow of business.

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And eventually, it gets to be too much.

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And what we're experiencing in America today is you start killing industries, you start

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killing businesses, including small businesses, the engine of our country.

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So it's a matter of saying, no, government, that's not their role.

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Their only role is protection of the people, nothing beyond that.

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So how would that be handled if the government can't come in and say, no, you can't do that?

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Well, if the situation is this, let's just say there's a community.

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that from happening because the people were there, their community was there.

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So that would be a legitimate role, a government, as opposed to a bunch of bureaucrats sitting

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around and saying, let's pass this regulation and let's, for the sound good portfolio building

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reasons that really are not have nothing to do with protection or stopping an initiatory

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force, then those have gone beyond the parameters of the prime law and have gone into the realm

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of an initiatory force, which is only going to hurt society and business.

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Well, isn't that the same argument that they use now that can't drill coal or you can't

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mine for coal or drill for oil because the world will end in 12 years?

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So, you have to have scientific evidence that they don't have.

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They have consensus.

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that the earth was flat and that we were the center of the universe and there is an above

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heaven and a below hell and you had to go along with consensus in order to, there's reasons

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in order to get money or grants while dating home grants in those days, but be supported

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by the church or to avoid execution.

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the sun being the center of the universe.

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of what could come to him in a form of punishment.

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So, consensus itself to be in good graces with the powers that be or to get your grants

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or whatever, consensus really mean nothing.

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You have to have scientific evidence and they really don't have any scientific evidence.

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or those who are politically motivated scientists, which the whole global warming and all that,

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So, not much innovation over the last 40 years besides computers, AI and the internet.

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Which are all information technology and that one industry.

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Because it was the least regulated industry.

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a big comeback right now, but still in health and all these other industries, you're not

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really having true innovation like major innovation like we used to.

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The government should not tell a business how or how they should, how or how not they

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should run their company, how or how not they should do research in the medical field and

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all these other fields and how do they get their power?

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How do they actually make sure or how do they actually tell a business what to do or what

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The initiatory force is the only power, the only weapon that the government has to be

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able to block progress, prevent innovation and keep its unearned power over society.

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And so for me, you, you have the prime, you discovered that the only way to get rid of

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that and to take the lid off of society, take the lid off innovation and business.

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So researchers can flourish, so scientists can flourish, so business heroes of society,

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they can flourish.

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And we take the lid off humanity and unleash humanity's potential because right now we

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have the lid of the government blocking and suppressing innovation, people from rising

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up, businesses from rising up, they have a hand that just keeps getting heavier and heavier

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and pushing everybody down every single year.

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And the only way to remove that lid, to free the hand where people can spring up, where

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all industries and innovation will spring up in all industry from housing, energy, nuclear,

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blah, blah, blah, is the initiatory force.

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And that's where you come in, you know, you, you've identified this, you spent 45 years

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identifying this, you're laying this psychological, emotional, and philosophical, and political

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groundwork and framework to be able to remove that, that block that laid on society.

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And so you have something called the prime law, which actually bans that, and then changes

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dynamic the paradigm of governance that we know today, because the loop, and then you

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can talk about the loop, and that vicious cycle, and the average lifespan of any country's

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150 years for an empire, it's a little more than that.

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But nonetheless, we see America degrading today, the freest country, the country born

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Now it's just declining and declining.

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We see that, you know, even more and more every day.

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Because of the vicious loop.

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you know, when you were a kid, they said, we could have biological immortality, you

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know, back in their nineties or whatever in 10 years.

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Well, they're saying that now, another 10 years.

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Because they don't realize it's the loop.

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Always breaks down anything, pulls down anything good.

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New countries, America, industries, nuclear, industries, health, energy, you know, and

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then, which is why you're starting a new country with a new paradigm of governance that doesn't

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have that lid.

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That's such a great overview, Wallace, really about who we are and what we're doing.

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So what are we going to do about that?

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Party, or TVP for short.

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And the whole idea was a 28th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

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The whole idea was to basically promote this concept of the prime law, which banishes initiatory

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force throughout government as well as throughout society.

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We did quite well.

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We made a lot of headway.

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We were very active in a number of states.

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and that was, you know, with a very, very minimal money and a lot of effort from the

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visionaries, we call them the 12 Visions Party, the visionaries.

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But you know, a third party in the United States has almost never really been able to

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And so what I've recently realized is the move we need to make, and largely because

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of the great breakthrough integration that Bellagie made, and you were at the network

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state conference in Singapore, the whole concept of a network state, and that's how you can

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actually start a digital country.

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And there's a lot of very interesting and a lot of merit behind that approach.

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So we realized, I realized that this is the way to go to start a network state country

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called Immortalis that has all of this, the prime law is actually its constitution, as

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So instead of modifying or changing the country from within, you're taking an external approach?

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The network state basically is starting a digital country.

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You have citizens all over the world.

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which gives you more influence out there, it's a great way to get your information out there

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and gain some influence and power through this process.

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And you'll start, say, crowdfunding, perhaps even your own digital currency.

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to get land.

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For example, if you just do a Google search, billionaires who want to live forever, you'll

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be shocked at how some of the richest people in the world are all in on life extension

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and the quest not to die on human longevity.

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They poured hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars into this.

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So when they see these powerful people see that we have, with our prime law constitution,

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where the government can never get in and slow things down and retard progress, we will

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eventually attract some of these people.

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That would add a lot of power to our quest.

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So that could be a quicker route.

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And that's the idea.

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That can be a route to actually acquiring land and eventually having sovereignty over

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And at that point, you would have, it'd become the medical mecca of the world because all

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your medical companies and research and development would move there because they're free of the

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governments off their back.

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Regulations are gone and they're just able to move at the speed that's necessary to achieve

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Now we might eventually get there through AI and so on in America or in Europe or in

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Asia, but it would be well past my lifetime, well past the billionaires who want to live

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forever, well past their lifetime.

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We are the missing piece needed to make these big, innovative leaps forward by getting the

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government off your back, by getting the regulatory state off your back.

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And when these power players who want to live forever recognize that and they realize they're

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spending so much money for such little progress and then they see what we offer, then we attract

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people like that.

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They want to expand to one other thing, another big possibility.

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See when you go to our past, we weren't able to get, I mean we made headway, but we weren't

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able to make major headway when we're trying to work from the inside with the prime law

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amendment with the 12 Visions party.

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But when we sort of break from all that and start the network state with immortals, which

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by the way is Latin for immortal, so we have this network, this digital country.

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crowds, crowdfunding and some powerful players coming on board.

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But there's another angle here and that is I'm going to talk about Argentina, which was

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of Argentina.

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It's quite similar to ours.

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The difference there is ours takes you into another dimension that Earth has never experienced.

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and everything within immortals is a mutual value exchange.

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There's no ruling class.

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Malay, he could potentially relate with what we're doing with immortals and the prime

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your constitution.

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We were going to do it as a 28th amendment, which in the end, it would have been the constitution

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de facto because everything would have to pass through the prime law and the prime law

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will get rid of all bad law, you see, and all regulatory and the statutory force.

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So it would in essence be the supreme law, even as an amendment.

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But it's very difficult to do that in a big country like America.

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It would be quite difficult, even with Malay as the president to do that in a big country

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like Argentina.

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But what we could potentially look toward doing is doing what we call a split run, a

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split run meaning it's a test, so to speak, or a test.

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And we could encourage Malay, who could really believe in this approach to civilization,

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to set us up, charter a city state within Argentina, where we can in a sense prove what I write

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about, prove the universal wealth, the universal health.

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And I don't mean that in terms that most people think universal health, like government,

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healthcare, that's not what I mean.

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I mean that everyone will be extremely healthy because medicine would advance so rapidly in

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an environment like that that chronic diseases, fatal diseases would be cured, including eventually

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aging itself.

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And the prosperity because of what I call the great technological revolution, it would

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be just as you saw on computers driving computer power costs so low, so quickly, that would

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be across the whole industrial landscape that costs the living would be driven down so dramatically

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in that mutual value exchange without any regulatory control slowing everything down

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and suppressing everything.

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And the government just gets bigger and bigger every year, but there'd be none of that.

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So you'd have a great technological revolution.

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It would be basically the great computer revolution, but across the whole industrial landscape.

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So everyone would live would be essentially become very wealthy.

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Everyone would become very, very healthy.

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And crime would evaporate because first of all, the motivation for crime is gone.

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The number one motivation for crime is money.

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You know, it's trying to steal money here or there or some, but that's gone now because

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everyone's going to live like multi-millionaires.

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And also the fact that the prime law, the main purpose of the prime law is protection, individual

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protection, every individual is protected.

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So the consequences would be so swift and severe that there'd be no crime whatsoever.

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It just evaporate.

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And in fact, crime would just be a theory in a country like that because there'd be

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no rational reason to commit crime and immortality.

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So if we were chartered a city state and it would quickly become the medical mecca of

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the world, I know Malay is very interested in longevity because he's friends with the

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author of the death of death, which is all about life extension and immortality.

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So that could be a connection too.

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See the point Wallace is when we took this move into a network state, suddenly it opened

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up a lot of options and opportunities and angles for us to work.

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We were just sort of buried under the weight with the 12 visions party of a massive political

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structure.

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So that was our past, the 12 visions party.

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The present is immortality and building immortality.

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And once we get to a point where immortality demonstrates to the world, whether it's through

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getting a chartered city state or just having powerful influential people getting on board

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and having the money and influence to purchase a territory or land somewhere and work towards

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sovereignty, whatever happens, crowdfunding, crowdsourcing.

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So whatever happens with the present, the future can be as we set the demonstration

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with immortality, the future could very well be going back and saving America back to the

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original 12 visions party and the whole prime law, its 28th amendment because the demonstration

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will have been established already.

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And then America would want to join up in this incredible prosperity.

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The citizens would welcome the 12 visions party, break through the two party system.

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And not only would America, but at that point the whole world would follow because they'd

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see the prosperity and immortality and the health and immortality and the safety and

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immortality, that's the life we were meant to live, we're not living that anywhere on

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the planet today.

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So that's a little bit, a little view of our past, our present and our future.

