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Yo peace and love to everyone. Welcome to the Spears and Mike's podcast. I'm brother

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Wattslice. We have Zulu King Just P. We have Zulu King L1. We have Zulu King Razor. And

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we have a special guest Zulu King Fats. First and foremost, I hope everyone is doing well.

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You know, and we would like to send a condolences because of our first episode at the end, you

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know, we sent our well wishes to Fox Boogie out of the Bronx from the legendary MOP. And

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we learned shortly after that she actually passed away. So we want to send condolences

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to her family and everyone that loved her. And L1 mentioned before that she actually

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was the first female shocker Zulu under Zulu King Shaka Bo. So we just want to do that

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first and foremost. Anybody have anything to say before I continue?

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No, you know, just resting peace to the sister. You know, I've seen her in some couple of

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photos with some Shaka Zulu's and, you know, there isn't that many, you know, people that's

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around from this that era right now since Bo passed, you know, a lot of Shaka Zulu's

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kind of like not not disappeared, but they just not around like they used to be, you

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know, assisted and help one of the great, you know, hip hop duos, you know, MOP to me

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is one of the best, one of the greatest duos along with Smith of Wesson and some of the

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other groups like MOP Deep. So, you know, she helped make them successful. And, you know,

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that's how Zulu says that we're going to give love and honor and keep her name alive.

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How about it? Definitely. So as a lot of us true hip hop heads may know, there's been

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a lot of controversy since the 50th anniversary of hip hop. We have an individual by the name

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of Tariq Nashi, for anyone who's not familiar. He's a film producer, activist and content

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creator. He's known for hidden colors, which is dope. I suggest if you never saw it, you

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need to go see it. It's very dope, very informative. He also did a movie about the Haiti being

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Haitian independence. That's very dope too. But he has this organization called FBA,

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foundational black Americans. It's anyone who has ancestry here. I think it's the first

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three generations, if I'm not mistaken. And he actually came out with a documentary called

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Microphone Chat, where he did some research. He's interviewed people and he's saying that

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FBA, foundational black Americans, started hip hop and not the forefathers that everyone

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is used to hearing like the Africa band bothers, the cool herks and the grandmaster flashes.

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How do y'all feel about that? Well, me personally, I mean, I was first torn whether I even wanted

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to watch it, but as a hip hop historian, I have to. So I'll be watching it. Personally,

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for me, I'm finishing up another book. And one of the chapters, it's a book of misconceptions

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and hip hop. And one of the chapters is tackling this issue. I started by saying as long as

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I was in the nation, it was always blacks and Puerto Ricans. Puerto Ricans and blacks

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pioneering. And of course, a lot of people at my job have kind of been, this has been

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a big topic. Y'all right after these 50 years, people who are not really in the hip hop culture

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like we are are asking me questions. They know, you know, what's going there, you know, where

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I come from with it. And I was telling them, first of all, you know, what the hip colors

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don't. But however, I learned no tell me what he needs in hip hop history. Perfect. I didn't

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know he was this person until he just came into play. And I just feel like it's, he's

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to me, another person who's not necessarily a part of the inner workings of the culture,

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those of us who study culture live the culture. To me, I can still consider him somewhat of

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an outsider or the type of a woodworker. What's his background? What's his background

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on the culture? We don't know what he talked to. And I was telling you before, you know,

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he talks big about being hip hop and loving hip hop. Had he ever been to a battle, a B-boy

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battle? That's one of the most diverse entity, diverse events you'll ever see in the world

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is a B-boy battle. It's everybody's name. You know what I mean? So, you know, I tell

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people outside, I tell people, has Ta-Ri-Nash-Yi in them or even Lord Jamal. But that's his

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heart. That's what I do. You know, I was raised in the knowledge under that generation of

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Lord Jamal. But at the same time, I'm like, you know, really, you know, what's really

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good? We know this story. We know what's really good. So, you know, I want to give everybody

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else a chance to build on that. But that's really, that's personally my take. I feel

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like Ta-Ri-Nash-Yi, no disrespect, as an outsider. Also, in hidden colors, he taught us that

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we were the same people in the Western Hemisphere before colonialization. So, how do you grow

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from teaching me that to being like this way hip hop? So, I want to see if anybody else

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got anything to add on this.

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Right. I want to say, what I want to say is exactly like, what are your credentials in

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the culture? What, I don't want to just talk about your appreciation for rap music because

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damn near the whole entire globe, black, brown, red, yellow, white love hip hop. You know

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what I'm saying? Like they love the rap element of hip hop, the MCing, right? But like, that's

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a great point. Have you been to a B-boy battle? Have you been to a DJ battle? Because these

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events be having black, brown, red, yellow, white people. And you know what? A lot of

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times, you know, I mean, every hip hop joint that I've ever been to, right, and I've been

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Zulu almost 30 years, we ain't never judged somebody based on the hue or their complexion.

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We judge somebody on their skills and their contribution to the culture. So, I never looked

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at somebody and said, yeah, he's an MC, but he's white. He would be doper if he was brown

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or black or whatever. I would say, no, he's a dope MC, period. If he's true to the culture,

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I'm going to give him his just do. So, I'm for unity as a Zulu, right? We know this

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is a culture that we created, and specifically, you know, the original man, right, created

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this. And I've seen a brother from the 5% where he said, a brother from the 5% nation

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of God, as the earth said, we don't separate the seeds. So this dispute and this, this

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is laying what people are saying, you know, the black man created it. Well, we know that

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the Puerto Rican man is also black. He's a part of the Asiatic. He is a part of the

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being the original man, right? So I don't know where we're going with this, right? We're

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unified on this front. We have all this information and historical matter that her is the father,

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they embody the Godfather and Grand Master Flash, they formed the Trinity together. And

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then we have other brothers like Disco King Mario, DJ Flowers and other pioneers that also

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heavily contributed to the beginning of this. And now we're talking about Pig Meat Markham,

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because he was rapping or something similar to that, that he's now I guess, what is he

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the new Godfather hip hop?

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He's like the first MC. He's like the first MC. Well, I've never seen a mural of him in

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North Carolina or wherever he's from. I've never seen a mural of him in the Bronx where

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hip hop originated from. And on the contrary, I've seen dozens upon dozens in the many years

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that I've been in New York City, dozens of murals of Cool Herk. I mean, Cool Herk lives

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on Sedgwick and Cedar, right on Sedgwick Ag where it's called hip hop Boulevard. You

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know what I'm saying? So we know this is the source of the culture. So we got a challenge.

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The thing that goes against what the pioneers are saying the pioneers were there. Not a

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brother that's from Detroit respectfully.

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The thing is, what I find interesting is that I didn't know he like like his organization

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is the foundation of black American, which I didn't even know was a thing. I didn't

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also know like even the term, you know what I'm saying? It was a thing. But the idea and

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theory of it is definitely a thing. So if he comes from that like perspective, like one,

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like it's interesting you said that he was talking about proven that everybody was like

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connected somehow, I think back in like the motherland or something like that, which I

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don't know if that I mean it could be. But I do I do differentiate in my mind to me,

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the American slavery Harriet Tubman type of dude or black American, then the migrant

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or the immigrant like the Jamaicans or the Asians, like somewhere where they'd be like

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my country. And then where I can't I can't do that. You know, I'm saying my country is

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like Huntington Long Island. So that's America, you know, I'm saying so I do I've always felt

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that distinction, like growing up long before it was like now where it's an acronym and

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all that and organization. So I think he which is crazy that he looks at hip hop from that

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way because like on pygmy markham and cab Callaway or the Jamaicans that were chatting

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back in whatever whatever that could be like argued that it was you know, I'm saying but

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it's really Bam, Herk and but what was it called though? It was exactly that was it

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called like pick the one in the Bronx. Yeah, I'm not I'm not what I'm saying is that that

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could be argued. But the fact is, Bam is the one that coined the phrase or something like

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that he's the master of the records. You know, someone else I don't I don't know it's either

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the cowboy is the one who cowboy is the one who said and bam, coined the phrase. Right.

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Right. That's the story. The phrase. Sorry. Now, I'm going to say I believe the phrase

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was coined maybe like maybe a year or two later. Right. But that's still Bronx fucking

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Lance Taylor and you're saying that's been who had the hundreds of records that was like

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his thing he had the records. Herk had the system or whatever. And and flash is the technical

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you know, saying he's the one that invented the scratch. But the crazy thing to me is

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to an M is from the islands. Bam, Bam could be argued he's Bayesian, but you don't know

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if his mom's or his mom's making notes on you know, and in her case, get a lot flash

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invented the scratch or grand was it theater invented the scratch.

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Grand was it theater invented the scratch. Right. Right.

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It's fast.

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Last created the mixer or the crossfader was already invented.

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Yeah, he did the crossfader. Right. That's that's incorrect. That's that's incorrect.

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That's incorrect.

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It's not crossfading. The crossfader was already invented. Um, the grant. DJ D from the black

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spades. He showed us the GL at the GL I 3800 mixer in 71 72 and had crossfaded. So here's

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the discrepancy. This carousel here and about got everybody mixed up with this. Okay, Kara's

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once said that he even the crossfader. That's not what happened. What happened was flash

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went to a radio station on a field trip with his school. You know, he did electrician,

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he was an electrical genius. He went to a field trip to a radio station. The radio

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do have a queue. So flash was like, wait a minute, you can hear that before you play

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it. He was like, yes, call it a queue. So flash went back and created a queue for his mixer.

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Cues were on mix. He created one. His didn't have one. But because of his electrical genius,

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he was able to put one on his mixer. So he already had crossfaders were already in. It's

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the queue that we're talking about. And he for his mixer.

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That's the technical thing that makes some part of the, the, the trinity to try and

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veer. Right. But the thing is, to an M is West Indian. So it can't be foundational black

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American, they're not African American or black American or whatever, you know what

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I'm saying? Cause it started with them debating the term African American. Cause like, I'm

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not African American. And I'm, you know what I'm saying? And I'm honestly not, I wouldn't

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choose like, that's a whole nother thing. So that's like, that's like a topic. And to

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me, cause I don't, I don't even know what you're talking about, but it looks like that's

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this thing. And now he's trying to spin that with hip hop. Cause the truth is, like, it

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almost can, it is what it is. Like people were doing what black people were doing. You

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know what I'm saying? The Spanish people were doing what if they wanted to be hip hop, they

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had the, the, the slang, the term, the dress, that's all from black people. It just happens

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to be those, those top three, two out of three were Western. You know what I mean? There

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was hundreds of them that contributed little pieces and not all of them were West Indian.

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A lot of them were foundational quote unquote African American.

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And then you know, you know, you just from Bob Williams as well. You bring him a very

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interesting, you see, there you go. So I don't understand how he even has a can speak at

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all cause he can't see himself out.

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Like me personally, I don't, I say, especially with us knowing that we are, we are all one

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people. The FDA thing I just found out about too, with, cause I'm on a hip hop educational

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committee from off the D.S. And we was talking about it too. I didn't know nothing about

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it either. Like you, to me, I like being with the diaspora myself. It's just because of

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the history. So I don't want to separate America from the rest of the diaspora because we are

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all, you know what I mean? So also, but see, so the smoke DJ, what smoke in the smoke

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atrons? Okay. So heavily poo hit up in our meeting as she talked about DJ smoke and the

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smoke atrons, right? Now check this out. He's not been mentioned either. He should also

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be mentioned, right? So Rich Knight said that the original trilogy is not Hurt Bam and Flash

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is hurt is Hurt Mario and DJ smoke and the smoke atron. Now check out what smoke is named.

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His first name is the Mingas. So what does that mean? See what I'm saying?

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That's so called Latino.

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And that's also no foundational American, but that's a whole separate thing that black

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people have to fix.

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But that is she is debating, well, saying that Puerto Ricans and Dominicans were not

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there, which is impossible.

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And, you know, we're going to segue into the gang culture and, you know, and how that

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really can upholstered hip hop. Because if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have it.

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And that's just the fact. And he don't know that because, you know, not for nothing, not

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to disrespect him. He's a former pimp. He was pimping in Detroit, Michigan. So you don't

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know nothing about what was going on, you know, in our city, just like we didn't know

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what was going on in your city.

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So people better stay in their lane. A pimp doesn't have to me like hip hop. That's not

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hip hop.

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And in the game, that didn't even an extended element of hip hop.

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What's crazy is pimping is the lowest member of a gang in certain in those gangs in the

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Midwest. The Pimp is the lowest member lower than the street soldier.

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So there you go.

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And he thinks he's back there.

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There you go. But not to disrespect him.

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But no, we don't want to disrespect nobody but come with the fact show improved, right?

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That's the error. That's the culture we come from showing through. We don't separate the

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seeds.

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Right. And we've been seeing these videos for a while now, like with the, you know,

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that famous 1940 black and white video of the like a it's like a quartet, so called

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FBA, whatever you want to call them, a quartet, and he appears to be rapping and he has actually

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has grills in his mouth. He has a couple of go teeth in his mouth. And he's, you know,

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what appears to be rapping, but was it called hip hop? You got that stuff like with them

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break dancing in these earlier videos, but was it called hip hop? You know, were you

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combining the MCing, the DJing, the b-boying and the graffiti and the knowledge all together

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to call it hip hop? No, that's that's not what that is. That's separate things going

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on at one time. And it's crazy because, you know, I see a lot of comments, hip hop started

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in the South, no disrespect to the South, my grandparents are from the South. I'm from

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Queens, New York. My grandparents raised me along with my mother. My grandparents raised

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me so I have Southern manners and all of that. But a lot of these jazz musicians, a lot of

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these poets that was in the South, it's a thing called the Roaring 20s and the Harlem

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Renaissance. They had to come to New York to get off, to get their talents heard because

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of the banning of the clubs and the alcohol. So they had to come to the Cotton Club to

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get busy, Langston Hughes, Cal Cal, all these artists, Pigmeat Markham, who's the first

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MC, right? He the first MC. He was in the Bronx. He probably was in Harlem, you know,

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in his stuff out so people can hear it, right? So what are we really talking about?

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Right. Well, one of the things too I try to tell people too is I tell people to watch

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those posts because there's this thing going on called the Hip Hop Diaspora. So it's these

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group of people that my sister Francesco was telling me about and they're trying to say

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things like, so they'll do a post and they'll have that Russian guy dancing, right? That

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Russian dude. Of course, the Russian move was used in hip and in break, no problem,

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no doubt. But of course, now they're trying to say that that's hip hop. And like I said,

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Caliway is hip hop and I'm like, well, no, because hip hop started at a certain time.

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We have a date. Like you said, it comprises of various elements and I don't like how that

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takes from the accomplishments of our ancestors. That was Lindy Hop. That was tap. That was

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their thing doing their thing now. No, exactly. No doubt. There's definitely an influence.

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You definitely see the moves from back then in the moves of the 80s. You definitely see

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there's a metaphysical thing going on in between our ancestors and us with the dance. No question,

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but it is definitely two separate entities or whatever. Hip hop is what it is in the

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Bronx. Again, like I'll tell you the whole time, history is important. There's certain

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key fact that geography is important in history. So Bronx, that's it. That's it. Bronx, nowhere

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else. You know what I mean? As far as hip hop started or whatever, the time that we say

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hip hop started or whatever, the environment of New York is critical in describing our

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history, the environment, how New York, how the Bronx was. We all know that. So again,

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for people to try to say, because there'd be a lot of posts like that, that'd be in

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my feed that, okay, this is hip hop. It'd be like some old footage. And so it's confusing.

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Again, because I'm trying to teach, excuse me, we will be teaching children through curriculum

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in the future. There's no room for that kind of stuff in my personal opinion. We got to

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get it right and exact for the babies. You know what I mean? So you know what I mean?

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So that's pretty much what I'm going with that or whatever. But it's definitely a lot

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going on. I'm glad we have this conversation. I appreciate the invite y'all. Thank y'all

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very much for that.

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No, we appreciate your energy and your wisdom.

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I appreciate your expertise. Absolutely.

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How do you guys feel about the change in the date of the anniversary? What are the anniversary

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date?

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I didn't even know they changed it.

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What's going on?

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You're talking about November 12, 1973 to the August?

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August, whatever, yeah.

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Yeah. I mean, so, you know, to me, I think both dates should be recognized. You know

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what I mean? Like, because, right, I never, ever, ever, right? I've been going to Zulu

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Anniversary since the 27th anniversary, right? And then things would have continued on with

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the organization. We would have had the 50th anniversary, so called 50th, right? Because

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even then, there's a dispute on the origin of the Universal Zulu Nation. The starting

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date where we was taught in 1973, and it came into power either 74 or 75. Then there's those

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that say that it actually started in 77 or 78, because, you know, and I'm not going to

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dispute that. There's a lot of talk. Brother Raheem from the Furious Five recently touched

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on that on the gangster chronicles. A lot of people have talked about that. Charlie

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Rock himself from the Zulu Kings, one of the original B-boys, has also spoke about that.

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There is a, there is a people challenging the start date, the founding date of the Zulu

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Nation. But what we do know, right, is that the Black Spades were founded in 1968, I believe,

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if I'm correct. So, to me, when I say like Zulu, to me, it includes the Spades. You know

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what I'm saying? Because that's where we originate from, right? So, we know that there was a transition

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period from when the Spades were in full function and full flow. And during the Vietnam War,

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there was a change, right? What Black Benji are being killed. There was a change. There

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was a lot of things going on in the Bronx, right? The Bronx was burning. So, if Zulu

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didn't start in 1973 and it started in 1975 or 76, whatever it may be, so be it. Whoever

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could show and prove it to be started at a later date, will recognize that. But we were

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taught in 1973, so I'm going to continue to go on from there. A lot was happening during

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those times. So, to me, it's like, Ben had, they said that they were doing the hip hop

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anniversary from 1974. I wasn't alive back then. I don't know if they were or they

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were not. I've seen flyers from I think 1976 or 77 was the earliest Zulu Nation anniversary,

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right? It might have been the fourth or fifth anniversary or whatever, you know, something

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along those lines. And it might have been the fourth or fifth hip hop anniversary. It

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was always one year behind, right? So, if the Zulu Nation was celebrating its fifth anniversary,

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then hip hop was celebrating its fourth anniversary. Because we've always had that timeline. When

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the Zulu Nation turned 40, hip hop turned 39. But Herc has always had the 73 thing going

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on. It's always been Cedric and Cedar, 1973. We, as Zulus, always acknowledged that that

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Park Gym was the birth of hip hop to a degree. So, you know, why not? We could, I think we

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could easily celebrate and honor both, you know what I'm saying? Because, I mean, you

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know, Herc and Flash, they good. They were always kind of good, even though they may have

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been a robbery, DJ wise, you know what I mean? So, you know, that's just my take. I'm okay

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with both things.

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Well, I know.

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You know, I ain't gonna go back and forth and dispute it.

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Yeah, I know we built a prism said that he found a flyer that said 77 was the first anniversary.

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So, yeah. So, we're saying now that it started in 76. Jeff Chang and K-Stop won't stop stress

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that Bam, his cousin, Soski was killed January 6th, 1975. Bam took a hiatus, according to

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Jeff Chang, and later that year, that summer, he started the Zulu Nation as a dance group.

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That's what Jeff Chang says. Rich Knight says he talked to Bam and asked Bam about the 73

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thing. And Bam said, no, he said, I was thinking of the Zulu Nation in 73. Because, of course,

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the 73, according to my research, that's when the organization started. That's of course,

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when Bam is attempting to transition the black spades from the gang persona into a more,

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you know, organized organization type thing. So, he starts the organization, I believe,

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in 73 or the Bronx River. It became, it was either or not. You might be able to help me

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with this order. It's the, you see the Bronx River organization first, I think it's the

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organization, then the Bronx River organization, then the Zulu Nation.

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Correct. Correct. Bronx River organization comes first.

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The timeline will be Savage Seven, Black Spades, Bronx River organization, the organization,

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then from the organization to the Zulu Nation, Almighty Zulu Nation, Red Book Zulu Nation.

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And you know, for us now, the Zulu Union.

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Yeah. Right. Yeah.

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So, yeah, I mean, that makes sense, right? The birth of something is the thought, right?

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The idea behind it. You know what I mean? To me, that's the birth of something. And,

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you know, always in the lessons, it always said, I believe 1974 or 75, it came into power.

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So to me, when something comes into power, I guess that's when it came and hit the streets.

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You know what I mean? Now, if that's a year or for year or two, you know, so be it. You

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know, to me, it doesn't make a difference. I mean, I just wasn't there. So I can't dispute

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it. I'm going to listen to the brothers that were there. You know what I mean? And if it's

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valid and they think it's show improve with some facts, you know, who are we to dispute

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the sad date? You know what I mean? But me, I'm going to honor November 12 1973, because

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that's what we were taught. And I'm also going to honor, you know, you know, August 1973

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for Cool Herk and Cindy's Jam. You know what I mean? Shout out to Cool Herk and a shout

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out to Cindy.

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Yeah, a lot of people ask me questions about like what's a chapter. And I told them we

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would explain, but we will have to go back and actually explain what the universal Zulu

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nation is. I would start it. And like I said earlier, the death of black Benji is definitely

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pivotal in hip hop, you know, and the actual start of the universal Zulu nation. So L or

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King Facts or whoever, if y'all want to elaborate on what you know, you can share with the listeners.

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Word up. Well, as far as this is when I was explaining to people too about the black and

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Puerto Rican thing in hip hop, it's best described by this by black Benji, yellow Benji. That

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is a perfect description of hip hop for me. So you have a yellow Benji and a black Benji

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who created peace, you understand, together in New York that was able to pave the way

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to make the elements. Black Benji, I could set him the first sacrificial lamb in hip

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hop, like one of the first Nipsey Hustle, if you will, you know what I mean? The one

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who kind of, and for the ghetto brothers to mature instead of going to war with the

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gangs, which is what most people would have done. That's a pivotal point to me. That's

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very pivotal, even in the Rubble Kings where it was explained that they was about to go

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to war. And then yellow Benji was like, look, karate child, let's go see black Benji's

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mom. Let's go see Ms. Gwendolyn, make sure she's straight. And then when karate child,

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it was like, you know, I'm a Gwendolyn, we got the army ready, but she was like, but

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I thought black Benji died for peace. So that in and of itself is kind of to me a manifest

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destiny of the culture of hip hop. If that doesn't happen, if they don't go talk to her,

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you know what I mean? We might not even be here talking about hip hop now. So that's

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a very significant point. December 2nd, 1971, which is when that popped off. Black Benji

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got killed December 8th when they did the New York gang peace treaty or whatever. That's

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a pivotal and crucial time. And I've been using that with people lately as the catalyst

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as to this whole black Puerto Rican thing in hip hop, but a black and a yellow Benji

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together in an organization, it doesn't get no more hip hop than that me as far as the

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nationality is how hip hop manifested and who it's like even when I was taught, I tell

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people when I was in the zoom of nation and being taught who did what by the elements,

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no race did not come up. It never came up. It never came up. You know what I mean? So

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I didn't know, you know, I didn't know, like, let's say, um, like Lee, like Lee Lee, 163rd

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is when I found out about Lee, you know, the Bronx, when the Bronx versus graph writer

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King, I didn't know. I didn't, I didn't matter. It didn't matter. That's not how I was taught.

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Then I find out, then I find out who people are later and I'm like, okay, well, that's

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and I can't tell a difference from what they look from. Well, black person and a Puerto

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Rican person look anyway. You know what I mean? That's what I tell people all the time.

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We put, I said, a spy, people don't rely on spies for a reason. As dark skinned as spy

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is from the crazy commanders. He's the black Puerto Rican. What are we talking about? You

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know what I mean? So I like using that. So that's kind of as far as black bingey and

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his goal and his role. I really consider that to manifest that's near the culture. Because

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once again, if that, if that doesn't happen and the ghetto brothers don't mature and,

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and, and, and decide to create peace instead of war again, I straight, I straight, I feel

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like we're not here talking and at no one since we're now here, I tell people this all

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the time because I think I say the musical aspect of hip hop started in 73. The culture

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ended itself started with the black spades, you know what I mean? And the ghetto brothers

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both starting in 68. You know what I mean? Um, but these organizations and gangs or whatever

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you want to call them, all of them have black, black, black, black and Puerto Ricans and

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all black spades. And this is the part I read and I don't know about. You know what

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I mean? And if you watch rumble kings, they had white gangs too. And in other parts of

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the Bronx, you know, they definitely did. And white, white spades also. Exactly. All

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whites didn't make white flight. All of them couldn't make it. All of them can wait. Mike

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flight. So the one who was still in the box, they ended up. Yeah, that's a fact. That's

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how people know something that I also want to say is, um, what's important to recognize

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with the ghetto brothers in particular, right? Is the fact that these brothers were fed up

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with the conditions of their community. Like they were tired of smelling the trash that

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was sitting in the streets, the vermin, the rats, the mice from this, the trash not being

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picked up. Right. And when these brothers started cleaning up their community, right,

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I saw a video with karate Charlie and rest in peace to karate Charlie because me and

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the brother, I'm not mercy on him. I mean, me and white had the pleasure of new nearest

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dozens of phone calls between ourselves and karate Charlie years ago in our youth, um,

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where he used to talk to us about things, right? You should talk to us about becoming

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zoo. He became Zulu at some point. I don't know what year he joined the Zulu nation.

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The brother became Muslim, but I saw a video karate Charlie, what he was talking about.

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They were just fed up of seeing the junkies and the trash and they wanted to change. They

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were ready to basically start the revolution. You know, them brothers wanted change. They

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were tired of it. And this is important because when we have communities that's dealing with

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self-destruction and brothers that were participating in that self-destruction have a thought in

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their mind that they want to change and elevate. This is what Zulu is overcoming the negative

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to the positive. They may not have been Zulu, but their ideas and their ways and actions

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coincide with how we move. You know what I mean? They were the definition of overcoming

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the negative to the positive. Fortunately, yes, like you said, like you said, King, he

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was a sacrificial lamb. Like the brother got killed and it's terrible that he lost his

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life. Rustin peace to Black Benji. Never, never forgotten. And he was just immortalized

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with a street named after him. I didn't even know it because I wouldn't want to.

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Back in April, back in April. Absolutely. For a lot of the listeners that don't know

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what we're talking about, you can go and watch Rubble Kings. It's about all the gangs in

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the South Bronx and it talks about the death of Black Benji. Black Benji was a leader in

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the ghetto brothers out of the South Bronx. There's a clip. They used to do this show

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where they interviewed gang members. Right. And Black Benji was explaining to the person

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that interviewed him three weeks before his death, I believe. He was explaining how he

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had just got clean. He had a drug addiction. He had just got clean and he stayed away from

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the ghetto brothers until he got himself right because he wanted peace and he wanted to teach

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the kids and protect his community. So he came back after he got himself together and

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started putting the work in as far as protecting his community, keeping the drugs out. These

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gangs were taking kids to school and keeping the drugs out, the drug dealers and the users.

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You know, when you think of gangs, a lot of media puts a negative spotlight like we're

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a bunch of misfits and I say we because we're all former gang members. So we're portrayed

390
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:47,280
as misfits, rebels without causes, you know, and they're not looking at the conditions

391
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:53,600
of some of us. And, you know, these brothers were really taking care of their community.

392
00:35:53,600 --> 00:36:00,120
The only thing was with these gangs, they flew colors, which was at the time was a vest

393
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,480
saying on the back or on the front, they had patches like if you see the Warriors movie,

394
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:11,160
which is actually inspired by the death of Black Benji. The Warriors movie is inspired

395
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:19,280
by the death of Black Benji. They were wearing their colors and going through other towns,

396
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,040
through other territories rather, they weren't allowed to wear their colors. So that's where

397
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:30,940
the conflict would come. So, you know, as you know, brothers were allowed after the

398
00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:36,840
ghetto brothers, declare peace and they no longer wanted to be recognized as a gang.

399
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:43,480
They were the only organization allowed to wear their colors through different territories

400
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:49,520
because they were about peace and they weren't about, you know, violence and they were about

401
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:55,720
protecting the community and bettering the community despite the circumstances.

402
00:36:55,720 --> 00:37:02,880
And I saw a video, I saw a video with yellow Benji said, you know, when there would be

403
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,840
a problem right when they come through with their colors, right with their cut sleeves,

404
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,800
people walk straight up to the president of that gang and let them know now they're for

405
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,800
peace. Right.

406
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,400
You know what I'm saying? Right.

407
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,400
You know, then they would just let them, you know, march on with their colors. You know

408
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,640
what I mean? And that's, you know, that's, that's, that's legendary. If you really think

409
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,640
about it, these things were different back then. It was treacherous, you know what I

410
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:37,480
mean? So, you know, shout out to yellow Benji black Benji shout out to karate and the hundreds

411
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,000
of ghetto brothers that's probably alive right now that's forgotten about, you know what

412
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,000
I'm saying? Let's just not get flowers to the brothers on that past, but all of them,

413
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000
all of them played a role. You know what I'm saying?

414
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,400
None of y'all did the work in vain. You know what I'm saying? And you know what, man, I

415
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,360
wish they were activated right now still moving on. You know what I'm saying? Because I think

416
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,600
that's in New York where we dropped the bull was a lot of, you know, because of hip hop,

417
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:10,000
right? Um, certain movements started to die out and I understand when people get older,

418
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,120
they fall back. We, us ourselves, right? We know what it is to have responsibilities

419
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:20,360
as fathers as husbands. So, you know, it's a different thing before we was, I mean, I

420
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,000
see y'all every day damn near we was, you know, bullshitting, you know what I mean?

421
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,160
We were telling all the time doing whatever for the organization, but now you know, it's

422
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,720
different. You know, we don't follow the time husband time, but you know, I just want to

423
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,960
say thank you to all the ghetto brothers, you know what I'm saying? All the black space,

424
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:44,720
all the savage nomads, all the savage shows, all those legendary organizations, man, because

425
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,800
I really wish New York had all of that right now. Tell you the truth. We will have a connection,

426
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,880
a true rich history that's stemmed over 50 years. And you know, I know the black space

427
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,320
is still moving. Don't get it wrong. I know the black space. I'm going to tell you like

428
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,280
this. I'll be honest, the black space to me is stronger than the universal zulu nation

429
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:11,160
right now in 2024. They're together. They're active. They're unified. You know what I'm

430
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,520
saying? And protecting the community too. And they're protecting the community. You

431
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:23,680
know, the reality of it is, you know, due to the circumstances, the zulu nation is not

432
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,240
what it once was. You know what I mean? Hence the reason why, you know, the zulu union is

433
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:33,640
striving and looking a bill. But you know, respectfully, we're all still here. We're

434
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:39,840
all striving. You know what I mean? And you know, it's a legacy that shouldn't be broken.

435
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,640
And we got to keep pushing this on the true zulu's, whether it's universal nation, whether

436
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:50,640
it's zulu union, almighty zulu nation, whatever you want to call it, we have to keep this,

437
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:58,160
the legacy, the story intact and keep on pushing forward towards positivity. That's the way

438
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:16,160
we have to do it.

439
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:41,160
Thank you.

440
00:40:41,160 --> 00:41:10,160
Thank you.

441
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:30,760
I agree. I agree. I was watching a portion of Rubble Kings and I was reading the comments

442
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:40,520
on YouTube and someone said, like, if these young gang members had respected their politics,

443
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:47,720
like these brothers were when they were teenagers back in the late 60s, mid 60s, early 70s,

444
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:54,240
that it wouldn't be like this. But for you, for the ghetto brothers to be able to walk

445
00:41:54,240 --> 00:42:01,120
through and so let's backtrack a little bit because I want to explain to the listeners

446
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:06,560
how a fight broke out, which resulted in the death of black Benji trying to break up a

447
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:13,000
fight. And you know, whatever I'm not going to say the gang, because there's like different

448
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,320
stories behind which gang was responsible, but he was unfortunately beat with a lead

449
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:27,400
fight that led to his death. They had a gang meeting, which is now known as the peace treaty

450
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:33,840
on Ho Avenue, peace treaty of Ho Avenue, where all the gangs met and the actual footage is

451
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:39,320
available on YouTube for those that want to watch the peace treaty where they actually

452
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:48,800
told the police, they told NYPD to leave or they would discuss nothing. So NYPD left the

453
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:55,040
meeting started off a little aggressive with a lot of finger pointing and blaming, but

454
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:03,480
ultimately they signed a peace treaty, they agreed on a peace treaty. So this allowed

455
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:12,880
all the gangs to frequent each other's territories without issues, right? And had that not happened,

456
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:20,960
in my opinion, we wouldn't have hip hop because a lot of these gang members were DJs and they

457
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:27,760
were spinning in different projects or having the park jams as they used to call them. And

458
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:34,720
if that peace treaty wouldn't have happened, they wouldn't be allowed to do that. And I

459
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:40,920
think the hip hop starting the way it did, it wouldn't have happened unless they had

460
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,920
that peace treaty. How do y'all feel about that?

461
00:44:40,920 --> 00:45:10,800
Moving like men too, teenagers moving like men. Yeah, moving like men.

462
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:19,400
Like, you think you look at like, I like Tupac and Biggie for instance, they were young when

463
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:26,600
they died, right when they were murdered, right? They were only 20, 24, 25. Look at the 24 and

464
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:32,760
25 year olds now. Look at how they move and look at how they conduct themselves. Look

465
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:40,040
at Malcolm X when he died, when he was assassinated. Look how old he was, look how he was moving.

466
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:46,880
Look how the ghetto brothers was moving. Look how the ghetto brothers was moving. Look how

467
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:54,640
the spades were moving, unified militants. You know, like now these kids, they getting

468
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:01,160
hot. You know, they wearing these, you know, we're not even going to talk about the fashion

469
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:08,160
choices, but you know, they're not even mature enough. The food they eat. You know,

470
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:15,840
what they got the most famous for the price. Yeah. What I don't get about youth that's

471
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:23,200
in gangs, right? Like, these street organizations have a purpose, right? Street organizations

472
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:29,560
have a purpose. You join an organization for a certain reason because the history or what

473
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:35,200
they stand for aligns with your heart and your soul. So the youth join an organization

474
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:45,200
that has a natural rival and right, these youth be cool with the rival and then beef

475
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,280
within their own organization today in 2024. And under this is going on for a few years.

476
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:57,160
And I know it's sad to say that hip hop, they using hip hop as a tool for destruction, a

477
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:02,320
tool to beef with one another through drill music. And I don't want to single it out because

478
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,960
I listened to some of the foolishness at times and enjoy street music. And I don't want to

479
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,640
call drill foolishness, but just anything that's negative, right? I consider it to be foolish

480
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,600
because it's influential. Anything that causes influence and send some money down the wrong

481
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:24,000
path that could lead to destruction is foolishness to me. You know what I'm saying? And I like

482
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,760
music that street music. We all grew up on mob deep and all of that. But with these youth,

483
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:34,200
right? How do you befriend people that's supposed to be in a rival gang to your organization,

484
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:40,080
but yet y'all beefing amongst your own gang, own hood, own community. That's that to me,

485
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,200
that's that's the first thing that y'all got a remedy is fine unity and peace within your

486
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:54,960
own street organization. Find that. And then, you know, you can have unity with former rivals,

487
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,560
all of this is, is it's just ego and pride. That's the reality of it all. I've had plenty

488
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:07,840
of beef street gang beef, and it's all fueled by the ego, and it's all fueled by pride. If

489
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,880
you take away the ego and the pride, and I think I heard Prism Zulu King Prism shout out

490
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:17,560
to Zulu King Prism from chosen Zulu. He's the one that talked about all this ego and pride

491
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,680
stuff and really just kind of stuck in my mind. And I really thought about all the foolishness

492
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,160
that I've experienced in my youth. And I'm like, Yeah, that's it. Like we was all doing

493
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:32,480
it for to prove who's the strongest or who's the toughest. And you know what all that pain

494
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,800
and all that beef don't mean nothing now. Nobody even remembers it. Nobody talks about

495
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:44,320
it. So was all in vain. Because the opposition is still here. Everybody is still here. Who's

496
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:52,240
winning? Nobody. So it's crazy versus what what was taking place then. They was fighting

497
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:59,360
for a real cause. And now it's like what we fighting for popularity on tiktok popularity

498
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,360
on YouTube.

499
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:10,720
You know, I wanted to say something real quick. Going back on what you said, the whole thing

500
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:19,520
about the news when they joined gang, notice the difference between what Zulu Nation had

501
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,880
done compared to other street organizations or organizations based on negativity was

502
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:31,560
we pride ourselves in knowing our history, knowing what came before us in order to learn

503
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:38,420
what we do it now to build for the future. And you know, that also goes back into hip

504
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:44,440
hop as well where once I learned about hip hop, I didn't just learn and go forward. I

505
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:51,040
went back. So I studied, I learned what came before the era that I got into, you know,

506
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,520
but I also say that to say that a lot of times these youth, they're so lost in their history

507
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,040
because you have people that are joining gangs. And a lot of times the only thing they know

508
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,960
is Oh, I'm beefing with them because they either from this street or I'm beefing with

509
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,240
them because they wear this color. They don't even know the history of the beef. They don't

510
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:13,480
even know the history of the organization to know whether it was something based on

511
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:21,280
building up a community because once the leadership goes to prison or they're gone, they just

512
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:27,160
run them up because there's no one to keep them on a straight and narrow.

513
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:54,420
Great.

514
00:51:24,420 --> 00:51:29,420
.

515
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:34,420
.

516
00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:38,420
.

517
00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:43,420
.

518
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:47,420
.

519
00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:52,420
.

520
00:51:52,420 --> 00:52:22,400
Thank you.

521
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,400
I'm just being addressed.

522
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:44,400
Pete had the privilege of watching the black space screening about two months ago and Harlem and we had the privilege of being up there with some of the legends piece to Charlie Rob piece to tiny from the black space piece to much Mitch blood green piece to all the original space man.

523
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:54,400
And I don't know if it was a honor to be around the originals and hearing their story and there was a brother guru and I don't know if guru is Rob.

524
00:52:54,400 --> 00:53:12,400
According to the film they said the brother guru was speaking in there and he said he is the founder of the spades along with David Brockington and you know they passed it off to monk as the supreme president at some time and they also have some some members that were a part of the savage seven.

525
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:29,400
That was like I guess you know they according to them the savage seven yet did turn into the space but they never they never consider that to be a part of the spade lineage the spades were the spades although it derived from the savage seven according to what the movie was.

526
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,400
You know what I mean and what the brother guru said.

527
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,400
I believe it was one of the golden guineas what what was that the attack.

528
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,400
Yeah, the golden guineas right.

529
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:57,400
I believe the golden guineas. I don't know if the brother was savage seven or black spade or just you know a brother in the community but somebody was packed by the bar the golden guineas and that propelled them to start and activate the black spades.

530
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:15,400
They was tired of the you know the the oppression tired of the bullying the racism and I believe the brother guru was telling the story where when the brother got cut or whatever the spades went to go handle that they went to go fight and while they was fighting the golden guineas.

531
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:23,400
One of the one of the Italian mothers of the golden guineas was in the window saying kill that in.

532
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,400
You know so that's to show you the environment that these brothers was coming up in the full white flight.

533
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:57,400
They was dealing with some real racism that they were battling in addition to all the problems that were in the community of ready like so it was crazy times you know.

534
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:19,400
Yeah.

535
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:29,400
Well I gotta reach out to tiny but I believe the film that was presented will be in distribution at some point. You know what I mean but I know this was created by themselves.

536
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:39,400
And you know they had this I think about two or three screenings and magic Johnson Theater and Harlem and the last one that they did which was the last screening.

537
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:57,400
That was the one a couple of the Zulus popped out and we show respect and you know just to take in the story. It was legendary. I mean you know I left feeling so strong you know I mean to be connected to be Zulu is to be connected to the black spades.

538
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:09,400
You know we're carrying the legacy of the black spades and you know I know they're still moving like I said they're strong they're strong they are not over them brothers is still moving right.

539
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:15,400
But to me with the younger Zulus at that right so we're going to carry that story.

540
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:31,400
And the traditions you know I'm saying into the future you know we're going to teach the young Zulus we're going to teach the public to now we got this platform where we could reach the masses where they didn't have access to the true hip hop education and not to say that we're scholars we're

541
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,400
just young Zulus that been there and learn from the pioneers.

542
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,400
We don't know it all but we're striving to know as much as we can.

543
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:50,400
And we're striving to teach it to y'all and whatever we don't know we can get those that were there we can get the first hand info and we could possibly get them on here too.

544
00:56:50,400 --> 00:57:04,400
You know because you're in touch with a lot of them and you know like you know we should go to anniversaries they love us you know they look like karate Charlie's dynamite right absolutely absolutely

545
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:16,400
The elder space really embraced us at anniversaries we got the opportunity to chill with them hang with them drinks and spade juice.

546
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:28,400
You know you got to say like a privilege you know I mean that you can share a drink close with them we wouldn't even worry about having to drink.

547
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:33,400
I ain't having it in a minute but when you first put up that post I was like.

548
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:49,400
You would have inspired though brother believe it you know because I was taking it all in and I was thinking about all of us you know what I'm saying who we are today two guys in 24 how all of that it flows through our veins.

549
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:55,400
Yeah because we're a branch of that tree you know what I mean we are from that family.

550
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:03,400
They should tell us that they should tell us that I am the first reason I am nothing but baby spades dynamite used to tell us that.

551
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:16,400
When we greeted the space we would do the same greeting as the zoos were so that's that's a connection there's a family connection a lineage that's connected and it'll always be honored.

552
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:29,400
I want to let y'all know to just started streaming again on podcast and then I did one on the I did one on the history or whatever and they were people were really intrigued with the black space talk a lot of people don't know about them.

553
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:45,400
So a lot of people were really intrigued with their story they had no idea you know boom when I'm just glad that they have something you know like something like her together brothers Jim Perry did back bubble kings they got a really nice production out of that so I'm glad that the black space

554
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,400
is what I able to put something together.

555
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,400
Who was it that you just mentioned?

556
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,400
You say Jim who Jim Kerry.

557
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,400
DJ Kerry from the living color.

558
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:03,400
Why will you look at I got a Robert King DVD if you want Jim Kerry is that going to produce that.

559
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,400
So did show the show.

560
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:16,400
He's the Amazon.

561
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,400
The Amazon system that he used to dress up.

562
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,400
You're a demyra.

563
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:22,400
Yeah.

564
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,400
You're a demyro.

565
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,400
Yeah.

566
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,400
Wow.

567
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,400
That was crazy.

568
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:30,400
Yeah.

569
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:37,400
And he back then.

570
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,400
That's crazy.

571
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,400
He screams me with that one.

572
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,400
Jim Kerry.

573
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,400
He must be in tune with the true hip hop culture.

574
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,400
He came under the wings.

575
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:47,400
They did.

576
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,400
That's true.

577
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,400
I hope.

578
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,400
I hope.

579
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:52,400
No.

580
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,400
Don't come for Jim Kerry now.

581
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,400
You know what I'm saying.

582
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,400
Yeah.

583
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:58,400
Yeah.

584
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:04,400
They did however say that Lance Taylor wasn't involved with the Zulu Nation at one point.

585
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:11,400
I guess when all the controversy they did end up putting that statement and then someone said that to me Saturday.

586
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,400
That they were that they wasn't claiming BAM.

587
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:24,400
And I told that person I was like that's not true because I told them about me going to the premiere and how I seen Zulu's there.

588
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:31,400
And I told them how there was Zulu chapters that I mean spade chapters in the Zulu Nation at one point and I can name a bunch of them.

589
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,400
But I mean that was interesting thing to run into though.

590
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,400
And I do remember seeing that.

591
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,400
King Charim.

592
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,400
King Charim.

593
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:41,400
King Charim.

594
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:46,400
And that's one of the on the on the Black Spades Zulu chapters because there's people that probably don't know about it.

595
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,400
There's there's probably a lot of Zulu's that don't even know because that was something in New York City where there was like.

596
01:00:51,400 --> 01:01:00,400
Unsanctioned Black Spade members running around through the Zulu Nation that represented Black Spades in Zulu Nation.

597
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,400
As I was.

598
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:03,400
Yeah.

599
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:04,400
Yeah.

600
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,400
Yeah.

601
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,400
That went on in New York City.

602
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,400
Okay.

603
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:14,400
And I'm saying the whole thing we could stop on the elite and then it could turn into spades when it would be shut down and things like that.

604
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,400
Right.

605
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,400
But I mean just for that to be out there is like one of reminding me that.

606
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,400
There's just a lot of unsolved and on you know I mean.

607
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,400
Things that need to be dealt with.

608
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,400
And also I mean.

609
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,400
Again.

610
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,400
That's a tradition that we follow.

611
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,400
So it's just funny for that to be called in question at one point.

612
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,400
But I do remember around that time I do remember them seeing.

613
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:44,400
I guess obviously they've obviously recanted or maybe I'll grew that but I do remember them having that statement like.

614
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,400
There wasn't really a speed like that.

615
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,400
That's definitely.

616
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:52,400
That's absolutely.

617
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:53,400
He was a baby spade.

618
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,400
That's definitely.

619
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,400
Wasn't he a warlord at that wasn't he a warlord at one point.

620
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,400
And I was just kidding.

621
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,400
Just to give you the news.

622
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,400
Right.

623
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,400
He was he was at the he was at the gang peace treaty representative.

624
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:15,400
But the thing is people say so the president of the black spades I heard at that time was yeah was a person named Bam Bam.

625
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,400
That was a man right.

626
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,400
So that's how they got mixed up with people saying that he was actually.

627
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:22,400
Spades.

628
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:23,400
Right.

629
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:24,400
Because of Bam Bam.

630
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:32,400
I think DJ DJ clarified that on on an interview I was watching last night actually.

631
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:39,400
I think you mentioned him earlier King DJ D was it cool DJ cool D. Yeah.

632
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,400
Yeah.

633
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:41,400
Right.

634
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,400
Right.

635
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,400
He definitely mentioned Bam Bam and I mean we all heard Bam Bam's name throughout the years.

636
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,400
I met Bam Bam numerous times.

637
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,400
Right.

638
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:50,400
That's right.

639
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:51,400
You know.

640
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,400
Had to honor me and the brother.

641
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,400
Well spoken.

642
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:56,400
Humble warrior.

643
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:57,400
You know King.

644
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:58,400
You know.

645
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:10,400
You know sometimes you because like you said facts you get they say the black space which notorious people think that their savages know these brothers were refined.

646
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,400
These brothers have wisdom.

647
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,400
These brothers were warriors for their community.

648
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:23,400
So them brothers I mean Charlie Brock is one of the most intelligent brothers I know in the culture right when he speaks about the culture the brother has a PhD.

649
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:24,400
You know what I'm saying.

650
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:34,400
So these spaces intelligent brothers man and you know there's so many misconceptions man and I'm glad that we're able to clear some of them up.

651
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:35,400
You know what I'm saying.

652
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,400
Because if we don't tell the story who will exactly.

653
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,400
They will.

654
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:42,400
Yeah.

655
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,400
This is to me one of the most important parts of our culture and history.

656
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:50,400
Also the Casanovas of black space to write the Casanovas.

657
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,400
Yeah.

658
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,400
I think tiny was the president of the Casanovas if I'm not mistaken according to my knowledge.

659
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:06,400
And when they finally recruited them they talked about this in the in the black space documentary where the space kept on going to his projects and trying to recruit him.

660
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:13,400
I think they were already had the Casanovas right and they were like every day like you're ready to join.

661
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,400
He said no and then they have to fight.

662
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:17,400
Right.

663
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,400
Eventually he was tired of fighting and tired of running.

664
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,400
He said so eventually he joined and then he brought that in together.

665
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:28,400
Where those that don't know Grandmaster Cas came from that as well.

666
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,400
It's not mistaken.

667
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,400
Yeah.

668
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,400
Was he a man.

669
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,400
I believe he was a guy.

670
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,400
That's where the name came from.

671
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:38,400
That's why.

672
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,400
Wow.

673
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:40,400
Right.

674
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,400
That's dope.

675
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,400
Like three is really dope.

676
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,400
And it's really deep too.

677
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:47,400
It's dope.

678
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:48,400
It's deep.

679
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,400
It's rich.

680
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,400
It's powerful and all of that.

681
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:52,400
I love it.

682
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,400
You know.

683
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,400
I love it.

684
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,400
I love it.

685
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,400
Absolutely.

686
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,400
And it's true as form though.

687
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:59,400
True as form.

688
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,400
And the true as form.

689
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:07,400
Not the stuff that people put out there for the world to think what it is.

690
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,400
Yeah.

691
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:14,400
I've been bringing that down to a lot of young guys at my job to try and explain what the culture is versus the rap music industry and whatever.

692
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,400
I tried to read in that history or whatever.

693
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,400
And I'm like, no, y'all, what you hip hop in its purest form is actually in the streets.

694
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:21,400
Right.

695
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,400
It ain't even willing to say that they really hold up for the tape.

696
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,400
It's about.

697
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:26,400
Right.

698
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:27,400
Right.

699
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:28,400
Absolutely.

700
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,400
The end of the day.

701
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,400
So yeah.

702
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,400
Unity.

703
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:32,400
Unity.

704
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,400
If you love the culture, you know what I'm saying?

705
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:42,400
And you got somebody that's trying to break up unity and their message doesn't align with the message of hip hop.

706
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,400
It's peace, love, unity and having fun.

707
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:46,400
Right.

708
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:47,400
That's what the matter then.

709
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,400
That's what the principles are.

710
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:50,400
Right.

711
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:57,400
And if that doesn't align with that, then you got to question the messenger and what his motive is.

712
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:58,400
Right.

713
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,400
And you got to also take it from the source.

714
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,400
Right.

715
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,400
The pioneers that were there.

716
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,400
We're not pioneers, but we were taught by the pioneers.

717
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:11,400
We were connected to the pioneers based on our membership in the zoo nation.

718
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:12,400
Right.

719
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,400
So we got to hit a story's first hand from the brothers that lived it.

720
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:26,400
And now we're telling y'all what we've taken in and what we know based on our first hand experience and based on our knowledge, you know, the research that we've done on the culture.

721
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:27,400
Right.

722
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,400
But do your own research.

723
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,400
Hit the books.

724
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,400
Brother, what's your offstage book?

725
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,400
How can brothers get that?

726
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,400
Brothers and sisters, how can they get that?

727
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,400
Peace and blessings.

728
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,400
Right now it's about to go in stores and about to hit up another campaign.

729
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:49,400
But right now, Jason Kirkman on Facebook, Fats Kirkman on Instagram.

730
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,400
So all you got to do for real is DM me.

731
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,400
We'll exchange the cash happen all that and I will personally mail it to you.

732
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:56,400
You know what I mean?

733
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,400
So that's right now.

734
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,400
That's how you can get it.

735
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,400
I'll sign it for you and I'll mail it to you.

736
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:06,400
I'm also currently in the midst of a revised version, but I want to get it more out this version out first.

737
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,400
But again, of course, we're still finding the history.

738
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,400
We're still learning a lot.

739
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:15,400
So also another book I'll be writing called set in the stage, which would be a sequel.

740
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:24,400
And that's this other era that's coming up that smoke a trans era that 70 to 74 when a lot of other stuff was going on that has not been mentioned.

741
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:30,400
But yes, you can just you can DM me Jason Kirkman on Facebook and I will weekend.

742
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,400
We can go over the cat to stuff or whatever and I will put I will sign it and mail it to you.

743
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,400
So that's where we at with it right now.

744
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:46,400
So that's how I highly recommend the book to all those that want to learn about true hip hop culture and what led to true hip hop culture off stage.

745
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,400
I'm getting me one too.

746
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:50,400
Yeah, I appreciate that.

747
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:57,400
It's the culture of hip hop before the elements and it's just an explanation of what the people of hip hop, not just the elements.

748
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,400
That's our artistic expression.

749
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:00,400
And yes, vital part.

750
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,400
But what were we doing as people when we weren't doing the elements?

751
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,400
And this is the best era of our culture and history.

752
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,400
You can find that information.

753
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,400
So yeah, man.

754
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,400
Man, that's dope.

755
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,400
Appreciate all your appreciate all your work and your dedication to the culture, man.

756
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:24,400
It's it's it's, you know, you're building a legacy and a body of work that's to be respected and remembered forever, man.

757
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:33,400
And I'm proud and honored to have you as our Zulu brother and also leading the way as a Zulu King for your area for your chapter for chapter 30.

758
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:41,400
So the flair order and so the flair natives, big salute, big love, big respect to all of y'all.

759
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:42,400
I appreciate it.

760
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:43,400
I just want to add on to this, man.

761
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,400
I really appreciate the Zulu, you know, you know how we do man.

762
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:53,400
You know, I know it's a new lamp.

763
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:58,400
Loss your visual.

764
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:07,400
Now it's black.

765
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,400
You know, it's a love, you know, I don't want to break your wisdom,

766
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:22,400
but you were talking about your.

767
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:49,400
You know.

768
01:09:49,400 --> 01:10:01,400
Right.

769
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:02,400
You ready man.

770
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:09,400
We did however break away because it started on what is a chapter.

771
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:10,400
I just don't realize that.

772
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,400
And I'm with that back.

773
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:17,400
Oh, yeah, somebody had asked me what is a chapter.

774
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,400
So you want to you want to explain to the people.

775
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,400
I mean, I was explaining.

776
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,400
Okay.

777
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:25,400
I got you on spot.

778
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:26,400
And then you add on.

779
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:27,400
Okay.

780
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,400
Okay.

781
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:36,400
So basically the chapter is a representative of a certain borough city.

782
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:48,400
And I'm not even sure I actually had questions about this because I always wanted to,

783
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,400
because we were Zulu nation at one point while we were called chapters instead of called tribes.

784
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,400
But that was a whole new story that I learned.

785
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,400
But basically, that's just how I thought I figured we were nation.

786
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,400
We had the whole African, you know, the whole.

787
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,400
I didn't ask that question for me, but I could never remember the answer.

788
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:08,400
Right.

789
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:15,400
You know, but um, well, I'll tell you this right from my understanding and I'm going to let you finish it.

790
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:16,400
P right.

791
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:23,400
The chapters were, you know, to organize each particular city area, neighborhood borough.

792
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,400
Right.

793
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:30,400
I believe basically, you have all these different areas, right?

794
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:35,400
You got to organize it because people got to be responsible in a certain area.

795
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:48,400
If you just got everybody is on the one umbrella and the Zulu's in a particular projects, whether it be Bronxdale or Monroe houses or sound view, you got to have organization.

796
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:56,400
So if we named ourselves the sound view Zulu's, right, we will probably wind up having beef with the branch members.

797
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:05,400
People pick chapters so that it's, it's away from the neighborhood because then it also might expand away from the neighborhood.

798
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:15,400
It's the same thing that I was told why shock is Zulu was started right shock is Zulu because of the neighborhood thing and the projects type of thing public housing, warren with each other.

799
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:26,400
You have some Zulu's that might have started in fighting a little bit, nothing too serious, just based on the history of the rivalry between certain public housing projects.

800
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,400
Right.

801
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:36,400
So they formed shock is Zulu to get the strongest and the toughest brothers and sisters in each chapter.

802
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:50,400
Bring those strong individuals together so that when you bring the strong ones together in shock is Zulu the force, the chapters will never have beef again, because now you just aligned the cream of the crop together.

803
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,400
Right.

804
01:12:51,400 --> 01:13:03,400
So you don't have the young reckless ones acting up starting problems with another chapter when the top people in the chapter the strongest ones in the chapter are linked in a in a order and they're shock is Zulu.

805
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,400
The chapters were to organize these areas.

806
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,400
You know what I'm saying.

807
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,400
So that's that's what my take and what I was told.

808
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,400
You want to elaborate me.

809
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,400
I mean, I definitely agree with that.

810
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:21,400
From me just learning in my experience.

811
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:30,400
It's 15 people less 10, five to 10 is a division, but it's 15 people.

812
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,400
You meet twice a month you produce together.

813
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:38,400
And to me, I mean, I grew with that as my definition as a chapter.

814
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:45,400
I remember when we went to the leaders meeting, and I was meeting in Miami, right?

815
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:46,400
I was meeting.

816
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,400
Yeah, yeah.

817
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:59,400
And certain brothers would have like that's just how in New York, I and out of state people, they might have four or five official Zulu's and have like affiliates and things.

818
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:08,400
Like their network and that could be their chapter to so as as like an older Zulu now, I just kind of accept the two.

819
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:16,400
But as for me in mind, it's always been 15 people in 10 or less or so is like a division.

820
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:24,400
We used to have divisions amongst and that's just separating like someone and from my chapter has his group of friends in another area.

821
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:30,400
So they'll get like that at one point my chapter had about like seven different divisions.

822
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,400
But I mean, we were the chapter chapter 17.

823
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:40,400
I think the name from the word chapter is used just from the gang aspect of like New York at the time.

824
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,400
They're using chapters and things like that.

825
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,400
But that's really what it is.

826
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,400
As far as my definition.

827
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:54,400
Yeah, I like about chapter numbers right is the fact that when your chapter is named after your city.

828
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:55,400
Right.

829
01:14:55,400 --> 01:15:00,400
I could be let's say from Brooklyn and say oh I'm from the Brooklyn chapter.

830
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:07,400
All right, you from Brooklyn but like, who is that what is that right when you have a chapter number.

831
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,400
Now you're saying something specific.

832
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:10,400
Right.

833
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:15,400
So me in particular, I'm a part of chapter 25 and actually I'm a part of chapter 25.

834
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,400
And actually the founder of chapter 25 right.

835
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:30,400
So when I bump into a brother that's in chapter seven like what or chapter 17 just be or chapter seven razor or chapter 30 for facts.

836
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:37,400
If I say I'm a part of chapter 25 right I'm not me right somebody else I'm a part of chapter 25.

837
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:44,400
Well fast say so what's up with L one how he how he doing right so they know who's who right.

838
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,400
If the brother can't tell you I don't know who L one is but he's chapter 25.

839
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,400
How do you know 25 25 right.

840
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:58,400
If I'm walking around saying I'm a part of chapter seven but I don't know Zulu King read the founder.

841
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:59,400
How could I be chapter seven.

842
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,400
How could I be chapter 17.

843
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:09,400
If I don't know King Lee or what he won Mike the two founders King bigs the most standard president in the chapter.

844
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:10,400
Right.

845
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:16,400
These are things like it's a way of organizing our organization which is huge around the world.

846
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,400
It's a worldwide organization.

847
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:27,400
But this will organize us into smaller groups and we know who's responsible and you also know the lineage of that person.

848
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:37,400
Like when we see the Zulu Gestapo we know we know maybe the public don't know that those are the ass kicking Zulu's those are the Zulu's not to be played with.

849
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:38,400
Right.

850
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:39,400
The G's.

851
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:40,400
Right.

852
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:45,400
They're linked to the lineage of the Gestapo's in those streets organizations that we mentioned.

853
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:46,400
Right.

854
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:51,400
The founders of the Zulu Gestapo.

855
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,400
Spider.

856
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,400
Right.

857
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:55,400
Was a baby spade.

858
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,400
So the dollar was a baby spirit.

859
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,400
They grew up with them.

860
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:00,400
Bada.

861
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,400
They came into the Zulu nation with him.

862
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:11,400
They brought in something from the street organization and they brought it into Zulu and it was kind of separate and it was ran as its own entity.

863
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:12,400
It's its own chapter.

864
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:13,400
It's its own movement.

865
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:19,400
It's its own entity within Zulu and it predates Zulu.

866
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:24,400
You saw all the ass kicking street organization members with the Gestapo on their best.

867
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,400
That was the force.

868
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:27,400
That's the fact.

869
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:28,400
Yo.

870
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:33,400
Remember when they wanted to make us a Gestapo when we was in chapter 18?

871
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:34,400
Somewhat.

872
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:35,400
Somewhere.

873
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:41,400
I think it was at the height of the whole MOB group.

874
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:42,400
Right.

875
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:43,400
Right.

876
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:44,400
That was a good time.

877
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:51,400
Obviously that beat pre to them that y'all will worry be of having the name Gestapo.

878
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:52,400
That's a friend.

879
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,400
You know what I'm saying?

880
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:58,400
We say Gestapo has nothing to do with Germany or Nazi.

881
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,400
It was just the tough MFers and the street organizations.

882
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,400
They were not to play with.

883
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:05,400
Right.

884
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:11,400
And if you listen to Black Star, what's that song?

885
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:12,400
The definition?

886
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:13,400
Zulu.

887
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:14,400
No.

888
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,400
Not that one.

889
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,400
Standing on the top with the Zulu Gestapo.

890
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:19,400
Right.

891
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:20,400
Right.

892
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:21,400
Most duff.

893
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:22,400
Most duff.

894
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,400
And that's the word chat.

895
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:25,400
Zulu.

896
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:26,400
Gestapo.

897
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:27,400
Zulu.

898
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:28,400
And that's another thing.

899
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:33,400
That's another thing about the whole FBA thing.

900
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:37,400
Like these gangs have war chants too.

901
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,400
So is that technically rapping?

902
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,400
Is that not MCing to a certain extent?

903
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:44,400
You know what I'm saying?

904
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:48,400
Because when you watch the education of Sonny Carson and they about to go to war after they

905
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:56,400
left the wolf and the leader, the lords had the meeting before they fought, they were

906
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,400
chanting.

907
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,400
Both sides were chanting.

908
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,400
So these gangs had war chants.

909
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,400
Oh yeah, the Black Spades.

910
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:09,400
They used to go to, what was it, the Tonal with John Brangles and DJ?

911
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,400
They used to say Spades Power.

912
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:12,400
You know what I mean?

913
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,400
Instead of soul, they used to say Spades Power.

914
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,400
Right.

915
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:16,400
Yeah.

916
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,400
And they had to call it the wild.

917
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:19,400
Yeah.

918
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:26,400
And you all had that Foxy Brown song that, that, that, that used to let that Foxy Brown

919
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,400
and the little West Indian song one day.

920
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:34,400
But yo, the thing is that you keep bringing back, I do, right?

921
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,400
Whoever with the FBA.

922
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,400
Like a couple years ago, yeah.

923
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:45,400
A couple years ago, it to me, it kind of started with, like they used to get out Puerto Rican's

924
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:46,400
for using the N word.

925
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:51,400
And that was like a whole thing with Fat Joe using the N word and all of a sudden.

926
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:52,400
Right.

927
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:56,400
So now I think, I think it's an easy way to get out that way.

928
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:02,400
Hip hop because Black and Brown people are kind of more influenced when, especially when

929
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,400
you use like hip hop or something that relates to them.

930
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:10,400
So I think it's an easy way using hip hop to just get his thing, his point of view across.

931
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:11,400
Get a platform.

932
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:12,400
Get a platform.

933
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,400
Get a platform.

934
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:20,400
Because this is a trickle down to hip hop because out of nowhere, it's before a couple

935
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:25,400
years ago was Puerto Ricans using the N word and out of nowhere, it's where were they.

936
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:32,400
And then I seen it's and it's based on a technicality because in one way, when Loja

937
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:38,400
Ma is talking about it, he's right because it's three years later when Charlie Chase

938
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,400
or whoever, you know what I'm saying?

939
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:41,400
Got involved, he says.

940
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,400
And that's three years, but it's three years.

941
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,400
It's still the same time frame.

942
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,400
So sometimes to me is just semantics against to get a platform.

943
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,400
And it's kind of easy just to stick and move with hip hop.

944
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:59,400
And it's also easy to stick and move with the short end TikTok era where it's click

945
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,400
B. That's an easy click thing right there.

946
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:07,400
And then boom, Lord Jamal hasn't been rapping since been rapping, but he's been able to

947
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:13,400
sustain because he's doing things like this and this is just another four or five months

948
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:14,400
and people like that.

949
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,400
Like you got your man that you're referring to.

950
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,400
I don't even know him, but that's his entry or it's.

951
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,400
You know what I'm saying?

952
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:28,400
And Lord Jamal is Lord Jamal is Lord Jamal saying he's FBA now or he's allowing technically

953
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,400
but he said he's FBA.

954
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:31,400
He did say.

955
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,400
Yeah, but he said he doesn't.

956
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,400
He said that's down the line.

957
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,400
I've recently heard him say technically he is FBA.

958
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,400
He's in the documentary.

959
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,400
He's in the documentary.

960
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,400
And that's like a pick and choose battle.

961
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:52,400
Like how it's like a pick and choose because he technically is if he's African American.

962
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:59,400
If he was if he was African American with Arthur Ashe and and February black history month

963
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,400
and church on Sundays and that's black.

964
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:12,400
And as as like as like a younger person almost a child, I remember seeing them kind of debating

965
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,400
on the term black like they it was black.

966
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:22,400
It was Negro American and then they argued in debate and now it's FBA, which to me is

967
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:28,400
probably because I'm not to me it defines where I can't be like my country or I can't

968
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,400
be like, you know, shut up.

969
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:31,400
I'm so and so.

970
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,400
That's not me.

971
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,400
I'm black even when I can't be black.

972
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,400
You know what I'm saying?

973
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:43,400
So when people ask me like I'm around Spanish people that all the time where it's all Spanish

974
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:47,400
and I speak Spanish or other even West Indians or anything like that.

975
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,400
That's darker skin.

976
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:53,400
The reason why they didn't want to use the color because there are people from other

977
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,400
countries that are the color.

978
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,400
So they didn't want to use that term.

979
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:02,400
They didn't really agree with saying black because black can be Dominican Haitian, which

980
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:03,400
is fine.

981
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,400
But when people are distinction, they want distinction.

982
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:06,400
Right.

983
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:07,400
Right.

984
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:12,400
And did you see cam talking about he's black American was the bet.

985
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,400
He didn't even know foundation.

986
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,400
He wasn't even up on the FBA.

987
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:22,400
He was just like, I if I went to the Olympics, I'd be black American because I'm black and

988
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,400
he American, you know what I'm saying?

989
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:29,400
I'm kind of for black people to be American because it's but he's really American.

990
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,400
You know what I want to see?

991
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,400
You know what I want to see?

992
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:37,400
I want to see the 5% is addressed this because I see online social media.

993
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,400
They've been saying we don't separate the seeds.

994
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:41,400
Because you don't.

995
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,400
They don't separate the seeds.

996
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,400
You don't at all.

997
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:50,400
But you do it understanding because like for me like and I do this with my kids and my

998
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:55,400
program, a lot of them kids be African and they'll come and then they'll use the slang.

999
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:56,400
A lot of people do that.

1000
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:01,400
And it's like, like me, I'll be around Spanish people and I'll be of the culture, but I'm

1001
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:02,400
black.

1002
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,400
When people come to me about one person be like, what kind of black are you?

1003
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:10,400
And I'll be like, the black that you don't like the black that I'm not black and they

1004
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,400
immediately get that.

1005
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,400
Immediately get that.

1006
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,400
And it also shows me how they think.

1007
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,400
You know what I'm saying?

1008
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:26,400
Like, but as far as hip hop, that's just a way because one, one, his name is not even

1009
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,400
like it's not even FBA sounding.

1010
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,400
It's sounding like like Muslim or something.

1011
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,400
Actually, that name is an Arabic name.

1012
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:35,400
Which is fine.

1013
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:36,400
Which is fine.

1014
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:37,400
That's an Arabic name.

1015
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:38,400
Right, which is fine.

1016
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:44,400
But he that's not that's not like Clarence from from the AME church or you know what I'm

1017
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:45,400
saying?

1018
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:46,400
No.

1019
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,400
Jackson or which and that's my car.

1020
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:49,400
You know what I'm saying?

1021
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:54,400
So like, that's a whole thing and he just pick and choose where to get or he's fixing

1022
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:55,400
and that's that.

1023
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,400
Yeah, like, and they don't want to address this.

1024
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:58,400
That's why.

1025
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:02,400
So they pick hip hop, which is the symptom, but they don't, but they, that needs to be

1026
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,400
because you're just going to get around.

1027
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,400
But then again, you might not get around because he's getting what he wants.

1028
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:11,400
So he don't really, it might never get solved and he could just keep rocking.

1029
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,400
You know what I'm saying?

1030
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,400
Well, the documentary got got banned.

1031
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:21,400
The documentary got taken off of Amazon by Joe Conzo, who is for those who don't know

1032
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,400
Joe Conzo is a Universal Zulu nation member.

1033
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:25,400
Photographer.

1034
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,400
Hip hop's first photographer.

1035
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:28,400
Yes.

1036
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:34,400
He's known as hip hop's first photographer and Tariq Nishid was using his photos.

1037
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:38,400
He was using his images in the documentary.

1038
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:42,400
So Joe Conzo, you know, he'd been around from since day one.

1039
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,400
So he's like, no, I went to school with the Coke.

1040
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,400
He said, I went to school with the cold crush brothers.

1041
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:48,400
I was serious.

1042
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,400
I was at the park jams.

1043
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:56,400
It was always black and brown, which you're saying is incorrect and you're using my stuff.

1044
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,400
So let me get this taken off.

1045
01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:59,400
I like that.

1046
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:00,400
I like that.

1047
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,400
See, now me Lord Jamal to me is getting, he looking for again, as far as I'm concerned,

1048
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,400
he's responsible for last success.

1049
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,400
That's why Lord Jamal.

1050
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:09,400
You know what I mean?

1051
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:10,400
Right.

1052
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,400
So when he, again, it's just another way for him to jump on.

1053
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,400
Like you say, he's rounding years and I've been telling people all the time for the people,

1054
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,400
you know, like a man, Francesca, she's Italian.

1055
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,400
She's in the hip hop educational community.

1056
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,400
Of course, people who are not black in hip hop, they have a real issue with Lord Jamal.

1057
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:28,400
But I try to tell what number one, y'all, Lord Jamal, that is his market.

1058
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,400
That is what he's always done for one.

1059
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,400
So I tell people that you want to meet with number two.

1060
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:38,400
I also tell them that again, when it comes to his hip hop thing, like King L once said

1061
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:44,400
earlier, a lot of people, especially my people, no disrespect, they harp on the right part.

1062
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:52,400
So if you want to discuss hip hop, graffiti and breaking those two elements, I'm sorry.

1063
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:53,400
That's black and Puerto Rican.

1064
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,400
And then whites was doing graffiti too.

1065
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:01,400
Even though a lot of whites who were doing graffiti, I've learned don't really want to associate

1066
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:02,400
themselves with hip hop as much.

1067
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,400
I've noticed that.

1068
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:11,400
I mean, personally, as far as the black thing, because I studied a little bit under the more

1069
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:15,400
science temple, did a little bit of civics with what they call it, what you call it in

1070
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:16,400
the private sector or whatever.

1071
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:20,400
So black is a color of law or whatever, we're not really black people.

1072
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,400
It's kind of something that was kind of given to us as a title in the first place or whatever.

1073
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,400
So I tend to not subscribe to that.

1074
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,400
And like I said, again, I'm not necessarily with the FBA thing.

1075
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,400
I'm a diasporatic.

1076
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:37,400
So I learned personally, my personal information, I like going as far back as I can.

1077
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,400
And I like, we are a people of unity.

1078
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,400
That is a divisive move to me.

1079
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:43,400
No disrespect.

1080
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:49,400
And it weakens us as blacks in America too, in my opinion, it separates us from a lot of people.

1081
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:50,400
You know what I mean?

1082
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,400
So I just think it's a vice and it's something I'm starting to think no disrespect.

1083
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,400
Tyree Natshige, I'm starting to think he an agent, yo.

1084
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:57,400
Hang on in front a little bit, man.

1085
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:58,400
He could be.

1086
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:59,400
He's the team.

1087
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:00,400
He moves.

1088
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:01,400
He's moving like an agent.

1089
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:02,400
He's hanging on in front of you.

1090
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:03,400
Yeah, he moves like an agent.

1091
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:04,400
You know what I mean?

1092
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,400
So he be on Vlad too.

1093
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:08,400
He goes on Vlad too.

1094
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:09,400
Right off.

1095
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:10,400
Right.

1096
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,400
So we need, I'm thinking, I just think we need to keep our eye on the brother personally.

1097
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:14,400
Yeah.

1098
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:15,400
Yeah.

1099
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:16,400
Yeah.

1100
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:17,400
Yeah.

1101
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,400
So this is a dope build, man.

1102
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:24,400
And I appreciate your brothers time, energy, wisdom, you know what I mean?

1103
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:25,400
It was dope.

1104
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,400
Yeah.

1105
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:30,400
And we'll definitely be having you on, you know, you know, again and again, brother,

1106
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,400
we're looking at you for your wisdom, your energy.

1107
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:34,400
And I appreciate it.

1108
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,400
I'm gonna start having all my joint too.

1109
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:37,400
I'm gonna get my numbers up.

1110
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,400
I'm gonna start having y'all on my joint too.

1111
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:40,400
So that's how we're gonna do it.

1112
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:41,400
Let's do it.

1113
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:42,400
Let's do it.

1114
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:43,400
Yeah, let's go.

1115
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:44,400
Yes, sir.

1116
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:45,400
Right.

1117
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:46,400
Let's know, brother.

1118
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:47,400
We'll do it, bro.

1119
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:48,400
Appreciate that.

1120
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:49,400
Yeah, man.

1121
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:50,400
All right, brothers, man.

1122
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:51,400
So yeah, you know, we'll keep on.

1123
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:52,400
We'll catch y'all.

1124
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,400
This is episode two of the Spheres and Mike podcast with our special guest, Zulu King Fats.

1125
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,400
Go get that whole stage book.

1126
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,400
Holladam, Fats Kirkman on IG.

1127
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:02,400
I got the book.

1128
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:03,400
It's incredible.

1129
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,400
You want to learn hip hop culture?

1130
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,400
Get the book off stage and tap in with the brother on switch.

1131
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,400
Him and his queen, they doing a lot for the culture.

1132
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:13,400
Tap in with them.

1133
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:14,400
You heard.

1134
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:15,400
Appreciate that.

1135
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,400
I got any questions about today's episode?

1136
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:19,400
Where can they reach you?

1137
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,400
Where can they reach us around?

1138
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,400
They can reach us on the email for Spheres.

1139
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,400
It's Spheres and Mike's.

1140
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,400
Spheres with a Z.

1141
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:30,400
Mike's with a Z.

1142
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:34,400
Spheres and Mike's at gmail.com.

1143
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,400
Any questions hit us.

1144
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,400
We'll address it in episode three.

1145
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,400
No questions is off the off the table.

1146
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:42,400
Yo, we didn't know.

1147
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:43,400
I mean, we're giving you the real.

1148
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:44,400
We need t-shirts.

1149
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,400
Yo, that's Spheres and Mike's crazy, son.

1150
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:47,400
We need a t-shirt.

1151
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:48,400
Yeah, man.

1152
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:49,400
Yes, sir.

1153
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:50,400
Yes, sir.

1154
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:55,400
You know, eventually someone that's the spear is going to hurt somebody.

1155
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,400
You know, words of weapons.

1156
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,400
Well, we're going to stand on the truth.

1157
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,400
You may not like, you might not like the truth.

1158
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,400
Sometimes we're going to give it to you.

1159
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:04,400
You know what I mean?

1160
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,400
Because we're going to stand on a warrior spirit.

1161
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,400
We ain't going back down from giving you the truth.

1162
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,400
I mean, you're indeed.

1163
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,400
Well, appreciate our brothers, man.

1164
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,400
And we're going to build keep it building.

1165
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:17,400
All right.

1166
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:18,400
Peace.

1167
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:19,400
Peace.

1168
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:20,400
Peace.

1169
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:21,400
Peace.

1170
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:22,400
Peace to the kings.

1171
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:23,400
Peace to the queens.

1172
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:24,400
Peace.

1173
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:25,400
Peace.

1174
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:26,400
Yo, just give me a couple minutes so we can upload.

1175
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:27,400
You heard?

1176
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:28,400
Yes.

1177
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:57,400
Peace.