This week on the season finale of Hot Couple
Chronicles. We finally have a platform where
we don't have to be censored and no one can tell
us what to say or what to do. This is our show.
Whatever happens, it's ours. This has never really
made us any money, ever. We make scraps for a
couple of codes that sometimes people use and
stuff. And the effort that we've done for the
last four years. I post at least, I post multiple
times a day every single day for four years and
make content and do a podcast. Literally for
the community and for... It's all a love project.
It's definitely a passion project. It's a love
thing. It's a heart thing. You know how many
people have seen our videos and have walked up
to us and told us that we've changed their entire
lives? Yeah. We're on the brink of... separating
or divorce because we wouldn't talk to each other
but we wanted the same thing and had no idea
because we didn't even know where to begin and
we saw a video of yours and it sparked a conversation
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welcome back welcome thanks for coming back yeah
i'm still surprised people want to listen to
us talk and blabber on sit in our bed and ramble
hang out and ramble but we appreciate you for
doing it happy home day it's our favorite day
is it not wednesday but we do love a good home
we do touche I like to see all the booties on
social media. Yeah. This week, this has been
a story that we've told a million times and also
we haven't told anyone a little bit about the
things that we're going to talk about. This is
going to be all about Swing Talk and social media
and how in the heck we got here, why we have
a podcast, how we ended up. Yeah, how we got
here. today we've touched on it before but we'll
go more in depth and we've told these stories
and told it a million times where we started
where we are and how we want to continue where
the future is going and somewhere behind the
scenes and our views and our opinions on the
whole thing it should be a good one i know a
lot of people have been wanting to hear more
about this so Here it is. We finally have a platform
where we don't have to be censored and no one
can tell us what to say or what to do. And yeah,
this is our show. So whatever happens, it's ours.
Yes. Yeah. Stay tuned. Where to begin? This is
about four years ago. And as soon as we got excited
and realized there was a community, we went to
the club and it turns out there was. all sorts
of people on social media we're like we could
find swingers on social media that's there's
a whole space for people on social media i'll
just and it was my idea i'm not gonna lie it
was all his idea and he is the reason i'm here
and you see my face every day but it was my idea
the video itself was my idea he was doing uh
well no the first video was i didn't even count
that one because that one was whatever but that
one really was the first they got i don't really
count though 350. but it really wasn't a real
video it was just pictures like a slideshow so
lame and stupid whatever but the real video that
made us go viral he was opening the amazon package
for a flag because it was you know christmas
was over we needed a new flag for outside garden
yeah and i was on to hill on amazon and it said
walk home it was just a right side up pineapple
Nothing too crazy because we weren't ready to
be like out there out there. Yeah, but little
sign little subtle, you know, yeah you And so
he was opening it up and I was just like no wait,
hold on I want to film you taking off the other
one with our name on it and then putting the
pineapple one Yeah on and it was so stupid Like,
nasty sweatpants and my ratty shoes. Like, mowing
sneakers. Yeah. Like, a hoodie or something.
Yeah, like a gray, like, shirt. Like, I was not
ready. I was not camera ready. And the grass
was dead. Everything was brown because it was
January. Yeah, it was not aesthetically pleasing.
Plus, he had to pick. It was so pixelated because
he didn't want our last name on social media.
But we didn't know how to do any of the fancy
stuff because we'd never done such a media before.
Frame by frame on my phone was blurring out the
name as it flew through the air. And every time
it renders, it's just the quality goes down and
down. It was so bad. And by the time I got done
with it, it was like a 1997 video. So bad. I'm
not proud of it. you know that was the one that
that did it that's the one that caught everybody's
attention and that's the one that i really credit
for us being who we are and what we are and everything
and so i do i love it and it means a lot and
i still don't have the original video because
we ended up losing that account and that was
before i knew about snap tick or snap talk and
all the things to copy your videos and so i didn't
know that so i lost all of the early videos and
we really didn't understand the hatred on social
media and the fact that you could just lose your
accounts and yeah all the videos you've ever
seen so we never even because we weren't putting
anything like super risque or sexy on yeah on
social media so We never thought twice that we
were going to lose that account. We didn't realize
that we'd be reported, mass reported constantly.
And you had to censor every little thing we say
or do because we're swingers. And they hate us
out there for some. Still don't understand. Yeah,
don't understand it. But we're trying to change
that. That's why we're here. And then. Yeah,
that video got like 7 million views or whatever.
That video is the reason why our whole family
and all of our friends and everyone we've ever
met knows that we're swingers pretty much. That's
when Swing Talk. was a thing at that point kind
of trending and which was most of the reason
why we put the video on there is because we discovered
swing talk and there was a whole community of
people we didn't know anyone in it but we knew
there was younger people on social media that
were doing videos we didn't know who they were
what they were doing yeah we just saw them as
we were scrolling yeah and i resisted tick tock
like i didn't really yeah we never really think
twice that it was going to do anything this these
videos no like it never thought it was just something
fun like 20 other swingers and then we when that
video blew up and everybody found out our knee
-jerk reaction was to run away and hide But at
that point, everybody already knew. So we pushed
into it like we do. We're not good at lying.
We're definitely not good at lying. No, we're
not. I'm the worst liar. You're like the most
open book you'll ever meet, unfortunately. But
fortunately. But, yeah, we can't. So, I mean,
everybody already knew. So we just leaned into
it. And started making videos. Then, yeah, we
started just. tik toks i guess they're not real
videos we got excited you know it was neil it
was like you're starting to learn how to make
videos how to create stuff starting to play around
with different playing around with the app and
getting on the trends and all the things that
are going on for covet and the dances and all
the things that were good to talk was huge back
then yeah well because every video we put up
it was 20 000 views within the first 20 minutes
those first what Let's say six months on social
media. That was really easy to get. Hundreds
of thousands of views. No problem. Barely had
to try. If a video got below 20, they're like,
oh, that one flopped. Yeah. Yeah. 20 ,000 was
like, oh man, that stinks. Yeah. Like that was
shadow banned for sure. Yeah. Which is insane.
That's how we learned. We're like, oh, we only
got 15 ,000 views. Like shadow banned. Now we
know what really shadow banned means. My entire
account. All the time. Every day. But in this
timeframe. Our account was getting lots of followers.
And we hit over the 10K mark within a couple
weeks. And then it blew up. Within the first
month, month and a half, we had 20 ,000, 30 ,000
followers on that first account. We only had
maybe a handful of videos. We weren't posting
like I do now. It was very sporadic whenever
I felt like it. It wasn't really that official
yet. That's when we started going live a little
bit more, like TikTok lives. And that's how we
got introduced to some other people on social
media. Yeah, they would pop in and say hi. Interact
and hi. And that's really when we started meeting
all these other swinger. influencer tiktokers
what you want to call them and they're all like
our age and a lot of them are in our area and
we hadn't really other than trapeze haven't done
anything lifestyle we hadn't done anything else
being that it was different in a way that a lot
of people were in the southeast and we knew mutual
friends like we knew a lot of mutual people And
so like we kind of connected in that way. A lot
of them went to the same club. And so we had
all really known, yeah, had the same friends,
known the same people. Yeah. We just hadn't met
in person yet. Yeah. Yeah. And we'd go back and
forth. They'd comment on our stuff and then we'd
be watching their stuff and like and comment.
You just get to know people on social media.
I met some of our best friends and closest friends
on social media. Oh yeah. Very thankful for TikTok.
Oh, absolutely. But that's when. Dan from Swing
Nation reached out to me. Well, he reached out
to us on the account and said, hey, here's my
number. Give me a call or text me. I'm trying
to build this community. And we want to change
the negative stigma. And we need an army to change
the laws and go to Congress and this and that.
And I ever talked to him for a few days. We kind
of, you know, bounced it around, didn't really
take it too serious. And then we decided. I kept
putting it off. We finally decided, okay, we
can. It's kind of weird a little bit. We'll just
become influencers with the Swinger Society.
Yeah. Text with them and talk to them. Yeah.
And we became influencers. And then. It was a
very small group of people. It was a very tiny
handful of people. At that time, it was pretty
brand new Swinger Society. Yeah, I think when
we became influencers on the Discord server,
it was less than 10 ,000 people on there. It
was very small. It was very small. And Discord
was because we kept getting banned on social
media and all of us kept losing our accounts.
It was a good hub for all of our followers and
us to have all of our... sites on there and all
of our videos on there and a place for us to
share without being censored because discord
you can pretty much do whatever you want you
can do whatever you want it's a private server
so you can put whatever you want on there and
there was a we met some good some really good
people on there yeah on like off the discord
server and so we did that and then finally in
the march late march of that year For Dallas'
birthday. Yep. We finally met a big group of
influencers. Was it all influencers at the time?
It could have been. I don't remember. Dan and
Lacey weren't there. Well, they were. They gave
trophies, but they didn't. Well, and at this
time, we had kick messages and Snapchats. Yeah,
we were very close. We were texting. We were
texting daily in groups and everything like that.
And so we made. a group that was going to dallas's
birthday party yeah they all had airbnb and we
were staying in all in either hotels or airbnbs
and stuff and we connected with a couple from
illinois actually ironically enough and they
were coming they drove all the way down here
for it and we stayed at a hotel next to theirs
hung out with them we had never met anybody but
they had yeah so they were like Such a good group
of people. You're going to have so much fun.
This is, it's okay. Cause I was so nervous because
we realized like, all these people are like social
media. Yeah. They're on social media. They're
like, have like, they've been doing this for
a second and they, turns out they had only met
each other like once before that too, but we
didn't realize how early on we had jumped in
there. Yeah. We thought they were all like the
best of friends, but everybody was really pretty.
Social media based like friendships and stuff.
And it just felt like. they're so close and but
we mean we were talking all of the time definitely
looked we felt when we went into it of that were
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but like she was like oh no it's gonna be great
it's gonna be fine come on let's do this so she
took us to the airbnb to meet everybody and it
was fun we did a bunch of tiktoks and then dj
life of spice that was before he dj dj'd that
was when he just fiddled around with the yeah
he had his stuff in the living room of this airbnb
yeah so i said i've watched you since the very
very beginning and i'm so proud of how far he's
come because we used to have him dj all of our
little house parties and yeah it's good memories
yeah good times and say everybody there was this
was when like only fans was really starting to
so they took sexy pictures everybody was all
about the only fans that was when they're all
hyped up about that and that's when i didn't
even want to be i didn't i was in like one of
the pictures with just lingerie but i was in
the very back when you could just see my head
poking out and i refused to show my boobs I'm
just now really starting to actually be there
for those pictures and still in the back, still
trying to hide. But yeah. And then we went to
that birthday party. It was insane. Yeah. Yeah.
There's a lot. The birthday party is the reason
why we're so close to the Reconference. So close
to the Reconference. Yeah. Because. Saved her
life. Yeah. Yeah. There was. Saved them. There
was a whole thing that was going on and. So they
are into the BDSM. And they have a dynamic. And
he felt disrespected. And it was a thing. And
I said, okay, hold on. This is our forte. And
Dallas still brings it up. She's like, I still
remember when you said, you're at it. eight i
need you down at a six and she still credits
him for saving them and her and yeah it was intense
it was but we it happened so easily just because
we all felt like we knew each other because we
had talked daily all of the time it does we when
you're live together you see we saw each other
every day even if we didn't talk every day we
saw each other's faces every day yeah you do
feel like you're close and that's why we sometimes
we accidentally offend people nowadays because
they feel like they know us yeah yeah and and
we might interact with them on social media but
we don't necessarily know your face yet or know
you as a person as a handle or like a nickname
and so sometimes we hurt some feelings because
we don't know exactly who they are yeah but at
this time the group was so small yeah it was
a very tiny little corner and on tiktok land
and we saw each other daily we comment on everybody's
videos daily we were kicked every day somebody
was going alive and we were in there and we had
kicked messages and snapchat yeah and then that
video oh and then the next and then we went to
six flags that's where i got this shirt actually
ironically yeah put it on and i was like this
is actually the shirt that we got the day after
we went with A whole bunch of people in the Swinger
Society. Yeah. Our tight crew, we went, and that
was so much fun. We were all hungover, all just
completely exhausted, and we went so slowly.
Through Six Flags. It was chilly. It was pretty
cold. Yeah, it was March at Six Flags. So the
crowds, like the lines were short. There was
no one there at all. We just could ride when
we felt. It was actually a perfect day. Yeah,
it was so good. We could ride whenever we wanted,
whenever we wanted. Some of us would just go
shopping. Other ones were going on things together.
And it was a really good crew. And we walked
around with our Swinger Society flag, took pictures,
and it was a good vanilla chill. adult day at
six five yeah we need to do that again we just
talked about that too oh yeah we did we're like
yeah it was so good we need to do that we need
to do that yeah yeah but that's where it kind
of started really began and then from then on
we were seeing each other monthly at least if
not two yeah three times a month well that night
of trap dan and lacy said they weren't going
to come And then they ended up showing up like
last minute. Last minute, I believe Lacey talked
Dan into making the drive. And that was the first
time we actually met Dan and Lacey in person.
Like after all the texting and messages, that
was the first time we saw them face to face.
And it was, we had fun that night, but they,
everybody that night, I remember this, I'm still.
it was a proud daddy moment for me to you was
everybody was so shy because they felt like and
so there if you've ever been at trapeze there's
a dance floor and then there's a couple stairs
there's like a back that no one ever sits in
room with like chairs and stuff and everybody
was hanging out every single person was sitting
back there just not even talking to each other,
just sitting there. And I was so hyped up for
so long. And I was so excited to meet all of
these like professional swingers, which I thought
at the time they were professional swingers.
And I was so bummed because I thought we would
be dancing. I thought it'd be like. sex i thought
it'd be like something because at this point
we're at trapeze every couple it was at home
i felt very safe there i felt really at home
and what i do at trapeze is dance that's that's
my place to dance and we were out there and no
one was dancing no one was flirting no one was
doing literally anything at all yeah i was so
upset and so i ran around the room and was like
get the fuck up I was like, we're going to be
fucking swingers. Let's be fucking swingers.
And I was just hyping everybody walking around
the room. And you got everybody out on the dance
floor. I pulled everyone out and I kickstarted
the entire party. And I was pretty proud of myself
because everyone's being really weird and shy
and awkward. And I was like, we're fucking swingers.
What are you doing sitting down? Everyone, stand
up. Stand up. I'll make everyone stand. You got
bossy all of a sudden. Yeah, I don't know. I
was feeling some sort of way. But it worked.
Everybody got on the dance floor. Because I was
so excited. And everyone was just sitting. That
kind of really started the night, honestly. Yeah,
it started the spankings. Everybody started giving
Dallas spankings for her birthday. And everybody
started getting on the dance floor, which brought
everyone else on the dance floor and started
the night. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about that. It
was a good night. I don't know what got into
me that night, but I'm glad I did. But then that
night ended and we went, you know, Six Flags.
Had a great time at Six Flags. And then the next
time we saw anybody in the group was the mansion
party. And shortly after that trapeze, we got
a text message from Dan. It said, hey, I'm renting
a mansion. I'm trying to find 10 couples. this
is how much it is and we're all going to be content
creators because at this point you had only fans
you just weren't really used to it yeah i'll
still on the fence it's like we can make content
and then we're going to have a party with just
us at the house i'm gonna go party and then the
saturday night we'll all go to trapeze and it's
going to be great we're like all right let's
go we're so down So we gave him the money, and
then we showed up to this wish mansion off of
wish .com. Yeah. We thought it was a mansion,
but we didn't know any details about it. And
so we got there, and it was the guest home to
a mansion. Yeah. And we had just a guest house.
It was a big house. It had lots of room. We were
sharing rooms with strangers. Yeah, we ended
up having to pick rooms. We were like one of
the last ones there. So it was either a room
with a bunch of strangers or a room with just
one couple. And we had the bed and they had the
bunk bed. Yeah, it was like, yeah. And we had
never met these people before. And it was in
the basement and we had no electricity. Yeah,
there was no electricity in this room. There
was no light. It was bad. We ended up plugging
our ring light and then turning it on for light.
Yeah, that was our only light. No electricity.
And then all the furniture was breaking. broke
a bed we broke like there we broke a bunch yeah
yeah not on purpose no like it was literally
just sitting on things it didn't really break
like they just wasn't put together really well
it was and so on the bed this wooden slats would
just slide out and the mattress just falls under
the floor like yeah their bed was like this it
was so bad but that was the first time we actually
spent like time time with a lot of these people
and that was the first time honestly we kind
of felt a certain sort of way because we felt
left out i guess they it ended up turning into
a big content orgy and i was definitely on the
fence about it yeah and we ended up sitting outside
with a couple guys that were there yeah and just
hanging out talking yeah like we had fun but
like it really started we realized how much focus
was on only fans i knew people had only fans
i knew that was a thing i knew we liked showing
off i knew we liked being sexy we're in lingerie
taking pictures but i didn't realize how much
like the whole weekend was supposed to be about
only fans i guess i was really surprised by that
we were i guess i with this group i guess we're
too honest Because we said that, oh, OnlyFans
is fun, but we don't make content the first time
with other people. The first time we swap with
other people, it's not for content. No, we don't
schedule sex ever. It's just not a thing we've
ever done. And that's just how we do it. And
that's how we still do it, honestly. Yeah, still
do. And that kind of changed, I think, everything.
yeah i think they kind of changed our dynamic
with everyone and stuff and they realized that
we were not we're there for a good time and spending
time with people and not to make money yeah we
were really excited to be with our friends and
be included in our friend weekend with our friends
and i knew we were taking pictures and it'd be
sexy and it'd be fun and stuff like that would
be lingerie and i knew there'd be some playing
and stuff but i didn't realize it was going to
be content orgy During the day, people had scheduled
times to just make content. They were like, we
have this room from this time to this time. Yeah,
it was very, very, very content focused, which
we didn't realize going into it. It was going
to be like that. We knew if something happens,
if we film it. and that's i mean that's always
been kind of how we've done content and only
fans but nothing on our pages ever scheduled
or collab we've never done a collab with anyone
everything has been organically you want to bring
the camera out in the moment and very you know
low quality yeah because it is like fly on the
wall yeah just put up because we want to show
off in front of the camera and so record it for
our memories mostly in that weekend we had a
lot of intimate like fun friend moments as people
yeah and we got close to a few couples that and
it like it was a good weekend overall it was
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we continued traveling the country with them.
We really became close. We wanted to go all over
the country and change the world. We wanted to
go make. as many friends as we possibly could
and bring them to the discord so we could all
as an army make big changes and do big things
and find as many of us as we possibly could the
more the better and that was like our purpose
for the first year we traveled to country with
them and we i mean every month at least once
a month if not twice a month we would be together
yeah from then on for the first year year and
a half we spent traveling we went to naughty
new orleans we spent Pretty much every minute
together. Every available weekend we had. Stayed
up till 4 a .m. talking about life and death
and all the things in between. And got really
close to people. And we went to Dallas with them.
Drove like 15 hours and went to Dallas. And we
spent the weekend there. the whole weekend with
them. We went to, where else did we go to? Red
Room. Yeah, Red Room in Nashville, Pigeon Forge.
Yeah, Pigeon Forge we did with Eye Candy. We
did Secrets twice. Yeah, plus Trapeze in between.
And Trapeze in between. Yeah. And we were getting
together all of the time just to hang out and
we would meet places and hang out with people
and got really close. You can't help but get
really close when you... We went to Splash with
them, too. Yeah, there's been some. I forget.
We literally, that first. We went hard that first
year. Spring and summer, we were at least once
a month going somewhere. Nonstop, yeah. To an
event. To an event. At least once a month. Yeah.
And it was, I mean, every few weeks we were.
And it was all with the same people. Yeah. And
we got close. Yeah. Yeah, we thought we were
close. We've always been fighting since the very
beginning to just be accepted and just to be
included. Not even accepted, just included. Yeah,
that's a good... We're always put on the back
burner. There's a lot of people within that group
that don't even know our handle. They have not
even bothered to know what our handle is and
what our screen names are and what our... t -shirts
say and what our podcast is we have a lot of
people that consider us still new and still less
than we're treated less than and that's the problem
and the social media unfortunately and businesses
involved and people starting their own businesses
and stuff it somewhere along the lines turned
into a competition that's not the type of people
we are not at all and people don't like that
No. We're going to tell you how we feel. Yeah.
It's a curse and a blessing. Yeah. We're going
to tell you how we feel. And when people talk
to us in confidence, it stays with us. It stays
with us. And there's always been, you're only
allowed to know so many things and be told so
many things because it's this fear of us always
going and telling people things, I think, that
holds a big part of it. is that this fear that
we're going to go out and because in the past
there's been there's been people that swing talk
unfortunately people go and do crazy things and
go off and make up stories or they go and elaborate
stories or they go tell these stories and these
intimate details about stuff and I understand
you know being cautious but like four years and
traveling and having close relationships with
people yeah And still never letting you in ever.
Well, I think the worst part for me personally
is we thought we were close. That's right. That's
right. And then once you realize it was. And
then when you we weren't making all the content
and stuff like that, we realized, oh, so we weren't
actually. we're not friends like or just acquaintances
like we just are on social media at the same
time because i thought we had good moments and
we're really close i thought we were really really
close i'm like birthdays holidays any events
that are happening always have still tried to
reach out and yeah keep in touch and try to like
connect and stuff and at some point a wall went
up and i don't know if it was because we Stay
friends with other people that I think that has
a lot to do with it I think that we are not gonna
not be friends with someone just because you
have a bad experience with those people I will
keep that in mind and I will be cautious of that
but I always give everyone the benefit of the
doubt and I really try to include everyone and
I really if they've never done anything to me
I have no reason to not be friends with them.
Yeah, and I honestly do want to be friends with
everyone and It's one of my you know, my problems
that I have I think yeah, but I don't Really,
I don't hate people or don't dislike people just
because someone else doesn't like them. Especially
when I don't think that the reason that they're
not friends or it has nothing to do with me.
It has nothing to do with us. It's more of a
personal thing. I think there's always a fear
of just slandering and talking about stuff when
there's nothing that ever really happened. It's
never like nothing happened. Yeah. It was just
a wall that was put up. Yeah. And it was out
of their fear. Yeah. And they had been burned.
Yeah. And I completely get that. And I understand
that. But we showed nothing but love and support.
And we have continuously been there and showed
up and worked my ass off. I've worked my ass
off every day for the past four years for a mission
and for a community. for something that I thought
that we were all in it for. And especially the
past year, that community that we worked hard
with all these other people to build has been
put on the back burner. Yeah, and then for the
last year, it's been pretty much no communication.
No. Nothing at all. I think especially we're
in the same space. it's especially now because
before a couple of our friends are the only ones
with podcasts yeah they were the lifestyle podcasts
and we want to podcast because we wanted a space
where we aren't censored where we can talk and
where we can open and it just became more of
again this competition and this numbers game
and money unfortunately money really tainted
all of it I think that really was where it all
went wrong. Um, this has never really made us
any money ever. We make like scraps for a couple
of codes that we sometimes people use and stuff.
And the effort that we've done for the last four
years, I post at least I post multiple times
a day. every single day for four years and make
content and do a podcast and literally for the
community and for it's all a love project it's
definitely a passion project it's a love thing
it's a heart thing and we are just on two totally
different it's okay that's okay we have two totally
different but i just i guess for this last especially
a few months have just realized that we just
are on different paths and we're just not on
the same i thought that we were in this for the
same reason and we're not and that's okay and
there's no hard feelings i'm not mad at anybody
and that's what but i've taken a step back obviously
it's very i mean apparent and i at this point
it's hurting more than you more than it's helping
and well at this point it's i'm torn because
of i'm still holding on to what we used to have
i know it was so good and beautiful yeah and
i want and it'll never be like that again i know
it'll never be like that again and i don't know
it's just so i mean whoever unfortunately it
was anyone on social media and anyone that wanted
to be an influencer a host and it was whoever
gets the most views Yeah, it turned into a competition.
Whoever has potential to make the best TikToks.
And whoever has the potential to make the best
OnlyFans content. TikTok is fun. And the videos
are cute. And the OnlyFans is hot. And it's,
you know, fun. to take pictures of myself when
I feel myself. I just wish more people would
own what it is that they are doing and their
mission and what their passion is within the
space. And ours is to end the stigma and to get
rid of all of the myths and misconceptions and
lies about it and show people that we are normal,
regular, everyday. people with kids and regular
lives 99 % of the time yeah and we like to have
fun together the rare times that we get away
and our kids are getting older and we're having
more space and more freedom and we can take trips
together and we can have time together and well
we realize that and the kind of reason social
media is so powerful is there's such a stigma
behind it The only way people are going to get
over it and it to be more normalized is exposure
to it. Yeah. The more they see it. We see all
the hate comments and everything we get every
day. Every day. But the more people are exposed
to the normalcy of the lifestyle. Yeah. That's
why I most like my content is really just this
is not true. This is a lie. This is the stuff
you think, but here's what it really is and educate
them a little bit. We're not trying to recruit
swingers, which is a big, I get all the time.
We're just trying to make it. Don't tell them
about the lifestyle. We don't want them here
and stuff. But you know how many people have
seen our videos and have walked up to us and
told us that we've changed their entire lives.
Yeah. That we had no idea and now they're...
This is exactly what we wanted and this has changed
everything. It has enhanced our marriage, our
life. Our communication. Everything. And I'm
happy for the first time in 30 years, 20 years.
We have never been this happy. Yeah. We're on
the brink of... separating or divorce because
we wouldn't talk to each other but we wanted
the same thing and had no idea because we didn't
even know where to begin and we saw a video of
yours and it sparked a conversation and anytime
that i feel like giving up and the 20th account
gets shut down and we're starting from scratch
all over again and mondays and tuesdays and wednesdays
when we have the new content and every single
day of our life that we have to come up with
new stories and new ideas and everything that
is what i always think of in the back of my head
it's just how many people are out there i see
how the universe puts those people right in front
of us at the most opportune times yeah like it's
we'd be like on the fence like you know like
this is a lot of work is it worth it we just
people just hate us no one wants to see it i'm
ready to we're losing accounts left and right
like we're on the brink of it just not doing
it and then we'll get an experience or an email
or meet someone at an event that just reinvigorates
why we do it like we just have to be reminded
sometimes and it's crazy how the yeah i usually
here lately i've been getting it while we're
all together with our friends at like events
and stuff like at the club when i was crying
that was a big moment of like this is why this
these people are why this is what i'm this is
my whole mission and then like at the glow party
i had to really i broke down and Just looking
around at the amount of people that were there
and like 60 % of them are brand new, have never
been to any event ever. And that's insane. And
so many people that are still out there that
have no idea this exists and they have no clue
that this whole community of people and it's
full of, we've searched our whole entire lives
for people like this. Yeah. We have talked about
this since we were in our early twenties. been
dreaming and fantasizing and wishing for a group
of people in a community that could understand
us could love us that just gets it yeah and now
we have so many people that just get it and we've
said that a million times we just want people
in our life that get it yeah understand what
it's like to be in love that's that's what we've
always said we just want people on our level
yeah to understand what life is about and what
you want out of life and being in love with your
spouse and it being a good thing because unfortunately
we've always been outcasted because we liked
each other because we'd rather be together than
go to a bar or hang out with other men and women
alone or whatever it's not my idea of a good
night when i'm with a whole bunch of guys all
they do is complain about their spouses yeah
yeah or partners and not having sex or joking
around that oh it's almost my birthday time for
a blow job yeah my annual blow job like wait
a minute like we just never could relate or connect
to people like we have do you guys have sex like
i'm sorry can't relate and i actually want to
go home and hang out on the couch and watch tv
with my husband like what you don't want to go
to the club the bar the whatever nah like we've
always been outcasted for that even when we go
places like for an event a lifestyle event we
have always have that moment like before we get
ready like i could nap we could just stay here
and just hang out in the hotel room and watch
netflix and yeah we've always been pretty content
with we don't have to go being together and everyone
always talks shit about us and we never could
find couples that got it and now we can find
couples to do that together with and it has changed
our entire life just being yeah the conversations
that you get into in this lifestyle with other
people are so deep and meaningful and there's
no masks up you can just be yourself and yeah
if you know you know yeah it's just good it's
good you have just i don't know i love you guys
I love this lifestyle more than I can even explain.
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I'm kind of reevaluating the people that I'm
surrounding myself with and the content that
I'm making and our podcast and our mission and
our purpose and our message and what we stand
for. And so, you know, we're going to be cutting
ties with a lot of people that just it just does
not align with what our mission is and what our
purpose is. And that's OK. And there's no hard
feelings. It's lessons learned. And we're grateful
for all of those relationships. And those experiences
we've shared. We will forever support everyone.
I have always supported, done nothing, but support
everyone. But I've not felt supported very, very
much. I've never really had anyone cheering me
on quite as loud as I cheer on a lot of people.
and he's there too but he's there for like like
the podcast you finally get to see him but for
the most part you haven't seen him for about
a year so he's really been career focused and
not kind of been in the back burner and maybe
three tiktoks this past year with him in it it's
been me yeah because i used to have been my own
tiktoks and this and that and i hate saying me
but content me content social media and talking
about that it is me everything you see is me
I wake up every morning with what can I make
next? What can I do? How can I touch people?
It's hard. Because I've not had a voice very
much, even though it's been me every day talking.
I've had to keep up. I feel like it's constant
competition. It's a constant numbers game. It's
a constant algorithm that I'm having to fight.
A computer. It's the constant hate that I get
all day. Every day. I never feel good enough.
I never feel like I belong. And we're re -evaluating
a lot of stuff this year. And 2025 is our year.
We are that hot couple in GA. That's what we
are. We are lifestyle hosts. We love supporting
our friends. That's literally what we've done
since day one. We have hosted for everyone. We
have had affiliate codes. We've made no money
doing it. We don't need money doing it. I just
want everyone to thrive. I just want everyone
to also find their people and find the couples
that they touch and change lives. I want to change
lives. I think if we all do it together, we could
change the world. We could change laws. There's
no reason. Yeah, but we're not going to do that
if we continue this path. And we just keep on
being like silenced and pushed aside and have
to put ourselves in this little box and be scared
to say what we feel and what we want to say.
Yeah. And a lot of it's hurting our mission and
we're reevaluating the things that we associate
ourself with, the people that we associate ourself
with. I got no hard feelings. It's not, I just
don't, it's not a competition. It's a collaboration.
And I know it sounds so cheesy and cliche and
everything, but that's what we've believed. And
I've never strayed from that. And I still will
continue to be there if anyone needs me. But
we're just on a different path than a lot of
people. Yeah. And we... are our own thing and
we've never owned what we are at all yeah no
we've always been like the like the i don't know
how to put it we're never the main attraction
when we we're always the last thought like oh
yeah maybe we should say something to ashley
and ross about it oh yeah maybe we should include
them or oh yeah someone mentioned that we should
probably tell you I don't understand why we have
to keep on fighting for this. I think what's
her source is we were that at one point. That's
how it used to be. Now I'm like, can I please
be included in one picture per year? And then
I'm always in the back trying to fight my way
to get half of my face shown. And I don't know
why. I don't know. I don't know what I did. I
don't know what I did because there has been
people that have done nothing but do bad things
and say bad things and talked bad and didn't
go in with it with good intentions that have
been held up so high. Like, no one takes me seriously.
Yeah. No one considers me. I'm never included.
I just want to be, like, feel validated that
we also matter. i'd like to even be considered
yeah and i hate saying me again i hate saying
me and i because i know it's the hot couple in
ga and it's ashley and ross but what we're talking
about in the social media aspect and the videos
and the pictures is me thing but specifically
i feel like i am left out yeah for one reason
and i constantly being told i'm the nicest person
you'll ever meet i'm so sweet i've never heard
nothing but good things that i'm very proud of
yeah but yeah why wouldn't you want me to be
there then it just doesn't make sense and i don't
know what i did and no one's ever had conversation
with me it's feels much very much like when i
was in middle school like in high school middle
school And everyone's talking about somebody
every time you are around. So you can only imagine
what they're talking about. Yeah. Behind your
back. Yeah. And I've experienced that over and
over and over. That's why we pull away from those
situations. Because if you're talking bad about
this person. And your friends' friends. And your
friends. Supposedly friends. No. I'm not going
to hang around you as much. I don't want to associate
with anybody. Like, sorry. But then there's this
years and. love and friendship that you think
you have. And so it's deeper than just not. And
it goes really deep. And unfortunately it's a
lot harder than just not because also we're in
the same circle, the same space. We have our
business and we are going to the same, we have
the same friends. We have the same circles, same
events. We have the same clubs that we go to.
We have the same one. So you're always going
to have to be, around it and just suck it up
and it's getting harder and harder and that's
not what I want. No. And I don't know how that's
going to change. I don't know if it's ever going
to change. I don't know if there's a way to change
it. I don't know. I don't know. I really don't
know what's going to happen. But what makes it
worse is we can't have a conversation with them
in private. Yeah. There's avoidance. And a lot
of them just... Cut you off. Yeah. For no reason.
It's just an avoidance. And when you do end up
running into them, it's high. It's very fake.
It's very surface level. It's very. Yeah. Like,
I don't know. And it's never an opportunity.
You just sit down. And there's a way to do it.
Mm -hmm. But we shall see, I guess. Yeah. But
it's all right. It's getting better. It is. Everything's
getting better. It is. This is going to be our
year, baby. This is it. 2025. This is our year.
But, yeah. So, that was a lot. That was a lot.
That was so much. That was a lot on our chest
that we've had sitting there for a very long
time. We finally have a voice and say what we
want to say. I just want to end it on, I know
the people are going to hear this and I just
want to say that I still love them. Nothing but
love. And even though we feel a certain way.
It's out of love. It's out of love. And that's
why it hurts so bad. It's out of love. It's all
about love. And I don't have any hate towards
these people. No. Or resentment or anything like
that. It's just like you've already said, we're
on different paths at this point. And we're just
adjusting. And our priorities are different than
they once were. And we've experienced different
groups and the way things work in other spaces
and stuff. And we prefer that. And that's where
we fit in more. And our mission is aligned with
them. And it's not a bad thing. It's just we
align with this group better or that group better
or this event better. We just are reevaluating.
changing a little bit as we go and we're still
learning and we don't know what we're doing here
we still are new here yeah we don't know we're
just we're just a baby we're still trying to
figure out what to do and what this is all going
to mean and what it's going to be we it you know
it shouldn't i'll say what i say to everyone
that asks why and what it is and no one ever
should have to lose their children or their houses
or their jobs because you are doing something
in private with other consenting adults should
never happen and that is always number one on
my mission and in my heart and that is the whole
reason that sums it up and we're gonna make it
that way yeah and it's it's a long hard fight
and you have to be patient with us but we want
to change the world we want to change laws we
want to change hearts and we want to change people's
brains and we want to just let people know we're
here because there's a lot of us we're not going
anywhere we're only getting bigger and we're
only getting stronger and there's so many more
of us than you even know out there and most all
of us are hiding out of fear we have to because
of fear and hatred and stigma and we want to
make that not not anymore we just want to change
that we just want to not do that anymore we want
less of that and so that's been our purpose since
day one and it will continue to be our purpose
and you can count on us and we want all the friends
all to love we just it's all love it's all out
of love everything is love and on that note it's
not that serious don't make it weird bye we love
you