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this week on hot couple chronicles it's not fun

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if not everyone consents yeah you want to make

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sure that it's 100 enthusiastically consensual

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every single time there's a no yeah period believing

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jealousy doesn't exist and more so on that like

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if you're a good swinger oh you're jealous oh

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yeah good swingers just believing that jealousy

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is just such a bad thing and a horrible thing

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and i've said it once i've said it i'll say it

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a million times more it's a basic human emotion

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yeah people say if you're jealous you shouldn't

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be in the lifestyle you're horrible at the lifestyle

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if you feel jealousy and that i never got that

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like how are you horrible at the lifestyle jealousy

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happens jealousy exists even in the tightest

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most solid couples your jealousy is that i mean

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you felt it i've felt it It's a thing that pops

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up. Yeah. It's gonna happen. Welcome to Hot Couple

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Chronicles, a podcast exploring the singing lifestyle.

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Our discussions may contain explicit content

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and adult themes intended for mature audiences.

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While we strive to offer valuable insights and

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entertainment, please be aware that the views

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expressed are based on personal experiences and

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opinions. We encourage listeners to approach

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the content with an open mind and to prioritize

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communication, consent, and respect in their

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relationships. Remember, everyone's journey is

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unique, so take what resonates with you and leave

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what doesn't. Thank you for joining us on our

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adventure. I'm Russ and I'm Ashley and this is

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Hot Couple Chronicle. Welcome back. Welcome back.

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Happy Wednesday. You look pretty today. I'm trying.

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I love when you curl your hair like that. We

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were doing the podcast and then tonight we have

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dinner with friends. I'm trying here. Today we're

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going to talk about mistakes that we've made

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and others have made in the lifestyle that we

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wouldn't do again. We wanted to talk more about

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the lessons we've learned. We've all had what

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the fuck moments. Why did we do that? I've been

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gathering some questions and different answers

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and stuff from people on Instagram and in our

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email and everything. So we're going to talk

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a little bit about that. I made a post a couple

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weeks ago naming our top five. Yeah. It went

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viral and did really well. You got a lot of responses

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to it. Yeah, for Instagram. post with educational

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stuff usually they don't do so well so it kind

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of inspired i figured we'd do a whole podcast

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and talk a little bit more about that all right

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first we're going to go into the top five things

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that i listed of mistakes that we have made that

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we wouldn't want to do again number one is going

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in without clear boundaries yeah that's just

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asking for hurt feelings and yeah Definitely

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recommend before going into anything. We didn't

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know. No, we were doing. We had no idea. But

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definitely before you continue into lifestyle

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and choose to be in lifestyle, make sure that

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you're discussing sitting down, figuring it out

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what it is that you want. Yeah, for sure. Why

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and rules and everything. It's good to have.

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Yeah, we had that conversation really late in

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the game. But to be fair. We didn't even know

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the lifestyle was... And we didn't identify as

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swingers to... We were just going to have fun.

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We were just going to have fun. Like, we would

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never. It wasn't until we really became swingers

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and decided we wanted to join the lifestyle that

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we even decided to have that conversation. Even

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after we said, like, we owned the swinger title,

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I guess you would say, we... started having those

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conversations but it was really slow little a

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lot of small conversations and that build up

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to collectively it was our boundaries yeah and

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what we want and what we don't want and all of

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that it doesn't it can be like however you want

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it to look as long as you are clear Yeah, it's

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like we didn't sit down for hours and hours and

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hash it out like this is what I want. This is

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what I do not want. This is a hard boundary.

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It was a whole bunch of small conversations that

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and then even then we didn't really dive into

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it for a while. All right. Now, mistake number

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two, assuming everyone understands consent just

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because they are in lifestyle. And that is not.

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That is not the case. Unfortunately not true.

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Unfortunately. It should be the case. Should

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be. We've come a long way. It has come a long

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way since we first got into the lifestyle. Yes.

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I mean, there would be just people just come

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up and grab you. Oh, yeah. Especially early on.

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I remember having a really bad, hard time with

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people. Touching you. Yeah. Respecting. consent

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and respecting asking to before they touch and

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it used to be a really big problem luckily we

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haven't had that problem in quite a while i think

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because we've been well i think we've been so

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loud about the consent part i think that they

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can't ignore it yeah we're pretty loud yeah that's

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the only way to put it is we are very upfront

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and open about you know as everyone don't touch

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me unless you ask yeah you can look but you can't

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touch yeah make sure you ask before you touch

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very simple stuff but unfortunately especially

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with the older generation i feel like had a problem

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with it i think we had more of a problem with

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the older lifestyle now on that i still have

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like men are better yeah women i feel it's not

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all women but some a lot of women feel like they're

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not included it's just assumed that it's okay

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if they touch me yeah yeah unfortunately that's

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a lot of the case That's always been kind of...

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And it's not true. My consent is just as important

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as your consent. So I think that's our next journey

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is, hey, girls, it's you too. It doesn't just

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apply to males or females. One or the other,

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it should be everyone. You should be getting

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consent from everyone. And before group play,

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before you're playing with even a swap or...

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even one person anyone that needs to be a conversation

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beforehand that you consent and it doesn't have

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to be formal it doesn't have to be weird or awkward

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can be that's fine yeah i love it now because

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even when we go into group situations now like

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you hear the conversations yeah before play starts

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yes yeah it's a group conversation does anybody

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have any hard boundaries that we want to be aware

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of everyone consent to be here yeah everyone

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consent to this or that and i do yeah i do love

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hearing the difference and and you the last couple

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you can see where people have almost hit a boundary

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and like with their partner or something like

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that and everybody pauses and make sure that

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everybody's okay yeah like i love that yeah it's

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like oh shoot we're just having fun we don't

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it's not that serious you guys are more important

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than what's going on right now And so we make

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sure everybody's okay before we start playing

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again. Yeah, it's not fun if not everyone consents.

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Yeah. You want to make sure that it's 100 % enthusiastically

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consensual every single time. Make sure you have

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that conversation. It can be sexy. It can be,

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I've always wanted to do this. I've always wanted

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to try this with you. Would you be okay with

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this? It doesn't have to be so icky and official

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and weird. It doesn't have to be anything like

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that. Well, it's the same type of conversation

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you have with... the partners as well yes like

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man i would love your wife too yeah or that's

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a good way to do it too so there's ways to do

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it that are makes a little bit more like man

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we're vibing man i would love to do this to her

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or i've heard you this and they could they'll

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just be like nah or yeah that's fucking hot and

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then when someone says no don't you know yeah

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then if someone says no it's all right don't

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be defensive no you can't get defensive it's

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Anything but a yes is a no. Yeah. Period. And

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so you have to really, not only the words, but

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gauge their body language and everything that's

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going on. Not being pressured under the influence

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of alcohol or drugs or anything like that. It

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has to be consensual. Enthusiastic. Yes, yes,

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yes, yes. Emphasizing on enthusiastic. Enthusiastic.

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All right. So the third one is prioritizing others'

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pleasure over your own. worrying about everyone

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else getting off and having a great time, which

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is natural for me to normally do. I fell in that

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trap for a while. Yeah. Like I wasn't like, yeah,

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we were playing. Yeah. But I wasn't having a

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great time. Yeah, it was very performative. It

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was. Yeah. Yeah, it was. I was just going through

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the motions. Yeah. And then you step back and

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you're like, why are we here? if we're not having

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a pleasure and we're not enjoying the sex then

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what's the point in having yeah we're here to

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enjoy we have great sex by ourselves alone we

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don't need any of that to have that so if we're

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not here to enhance things why are you even here

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exactly that was definitely a big one that we

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got stuck into for quite a while i know me for

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sure and i think with the lf and the content

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creating and stuff it kind of does blur and it

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does become A little performative at moments.

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When you are a creator like you and you're on

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social media, it's hard to not let that side

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consume you. Definitely don't want to do that

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in swinging land when swinging is our thing,

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our private. We had multiple conversations about

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that and trying to figure out, okay, when is

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it work and when is it just us wilding out? you

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know like having fun like we had to really put

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those lines in place and talk before we go to

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an event or a takeover or a party but okay this

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is work yeah so we're going to have fun regardless

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but you know we're still working yeah and then

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where it's okay this is just us weekend we're

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not going to cut time out for content and tiktoks

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and pictures and stuff like that this is just

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going to be us and we had to draw those lines

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because it was consuming you for sure like you

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weren't having fun anymore yeah because you want

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to listen to yeah all the wants and the needs

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that you want that's the whole purpose that the

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reason that you're there exactly you're there

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to have a good time and to feel good yeah so

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don't worry so much about everybody else Just

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focus on what you want and how good it feels

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your adventure with The Playground today. Mistake

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number four. Ignoring red flags at events. Or

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anywhere. Or anywhere. Really any red flag at

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all. Any gut feeling. I have come a long way

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in this last year or so. I have really become

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adamant about trusting my gut. Because I know

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better. You're my cage. If something happens.

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I don't have the, I don't even know what to call

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that. Intuition. intuition i don't know i just

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get a good feeling yeah i can just usually tell

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yeah like pretty fast if it's a good it's gonna

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be a good situation or a bad situation i can

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yeah it's a gut feeling and i have many many

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times chosen to ignore that feeling and every

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single time go back oh it took me it take because

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like i said you're my gauge there and it took

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me a while to just trust you because a lot of

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times i'm in the moment i think it's going to

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be fun like it's everybody's good you see something

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that i don't and then i question you or i tell

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you oh no it's fine it took me a long time to

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just being paranoid yeah just yeah just blame

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it on it's easy to blame it on anxiety stuff

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like that Where now it's just like, okay, like

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I believe you. Every single time I've said this

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isn't this person. I'm not vibing with this person.

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There's something about them or this couple or

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something. I've never, never, never been wrong

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ever. And so I've really just been, there's,

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you know, not everybody's going to be for you.

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There's so many people out there. A lot of that

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is the difference between a man's brain and a

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female's brain. Like you pick up on different

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things than I pick up on. Like you are definitely.

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more emotionally intelligent than i am and so

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you see things in a different from a different

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scope than i do and where i would see something

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where it's just a couple just kind of play you

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know barking back and forth or something like

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that you see it as nope red flag like Like that's

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not play fighting. That's real fighting. I'm

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like, ooh. There's like deep issues going on

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there. Yeah. Something bigger is going on. And

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like I said, there's another couple out there

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for you. You don't have to spend all your time

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and energy and focus on trying to fix people

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and trying to, you know, just some people are

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just people. Some people aren't the greatest.

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Some couples aren't, just aren't it. Yeah. And

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just go with your gut. If you see anything that

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makes you feel uneasy or you just don't like,

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you don't have to. be a part of it and you can

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remove yourself quietly, nicely. Remove yourself.

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It's all as simple as it is. We've done that.

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We were actually pretty good at doing that from

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the beginning. Because we had some people with

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red flags that were very aggressive in the beginning.

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We had to quietly remove ourselves without really

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just hurting, like being like, no. all right

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mistake number five believing jealousy doesn't

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exist and more so on that like if you're a good

00:15:44.149 --> 00:15:47.750
swinger oh jealous oh yeah good swingers just

00:15:47.750 --> 00:15:50.450
believing that jealousy is just such a bad thing

00:15:50.450 --> 00:15:54.149
and a horrible thing and i've said it once i've

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said it i'll say it a million times more it's

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a basic human emotion yeah people say if you're

00:16:01.450 --> 00:16:03.840
jealous you shouldn't be in the lifestyle you're

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horrible at the lifestyle if you feel jealousy

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and that i never got that like how are you horrible

00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.899
at the lifestyle yeah i know and how do you yeah

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i never like i never everybody has their own

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journey and again jealousy is normal jealousy

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is okay and what you do with it also it's sometimes

00:16:24.340 --> 00:16:28.259
it takes couples to get into the lifestyle to

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actually find out it's not for them no No, it's

00:16:31.750 --> 00:16:33.389
not for everyone. It's not for everyone. We're

00:16:33.389 --> 00:16:35.409
not trying to sell it to everybody. It shows

00:16:35.409 --> 00:16:37.590
how comfortable they are in their relationship

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that they are willing to explore it and then

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recognize that, okay, this really isn't for us.

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And then they step back. It's that simple. Jealousy

00:16:47.429 --> 00:16:50.830
happens. Jealousy exists. Even in the tightest,

00:16:50.830 --> 00:16:53.850
most solid couples, your jealousy is a thing

00:16:53.850 --> 00:16:57.710
that pops up. It's a thing that pops up. It's

00:16:57.710 --> 00:17:00.740
going to happen. So that's not true. Not true.

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And for the next segment, we have gotten a list

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of stuff. A lot of people interacted and submitted

00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:09.700
their own mistakes that they've made and lessons

00:17:09.700 --> 00:17:12.140
that they learned. So I have a list of those.

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Number six would have and was going to be also

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on the list. I was between the last one and this

00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:20.599
one. And it's taking one for the team. And I've

00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.240
gotten that so many times. So many people have

00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:27.200
made that mistake. Including us. Yeah. Including

00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.839
us. I think everybody has. I feel like we've

00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:36.319
all been there. So. My favorite stories are.

00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:40.279
Because we've both done it. We've both. More

00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.640
than once. We've made the mistake. But they're

00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:48.720
so nice. We always say they're so nice. My favorite

00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:55.160
ones are. When we don't. We misread each other's

00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:59.549
cues. And we both take one for the team. And

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then we don't realize it until after the fact.

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We've learned that lesson. I wanted to add that

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to my list. It was almost on there. And I knew

00:18:09.490 --> 00:18:11.269
everyone was going to be coming back with that

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one. Because I think almost all of us have been

00:18:14.589 --> 00:18:18.170
in a situation where they're not 100 % turned

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on with the person. They can sit and everything.

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We've all been there and we turn not to make

00:18:24.299 --> 00:18:26.039
that mistake anymore. That's one that we definitely

00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.079
have. My favorite. I'll look at you and be like,

00:18:29.099 --> 00:18:32.599
we're not doing that. We're not doing that. We

00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.079
stopped doing that. Some of my favorite stories

00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:39.539
that we still laugh about are when we're both

00:18:39.539 --> 00:18:42.480
taking one for the team and we realize it in

00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.500
the middle of a play session. We look each other.

00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:53.900
You ready? You ready? You good? Don't do that.

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We've learned the hard way. Yes. The next one

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is one that someone said, never play with more

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than you can handle. One guy can't realistically

00:19:05.019 --> 00:19:08.619
pleasure four women at the same time. So it took

00:19:08.619 --> 00:19:11.740
me a long time to just have, like, to be with

00:19:11.740 --> 00:19:15.039
two women at one time. It's a lot. going on there's

00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.960
a lot because yeah like it's that's a that's

00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:20.559
a lot of work that's a lot of work i mean every

00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:26.079
man knows and woman knows that the female orgasm

00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:28.660
is completely different than the male orgasm

00:19:28.660 --> 00:19:33.440
takes much more time and it takes a lot more

00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.680
attention and to just get one female to orgasm

00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:43.180
when you have two Not just two, but two straight

00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:48.680
women. It's different if they're bi because then

00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:54.319
they play with each other. But two straight women

00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:58.180
that are just strictly focused on you, that is

00:19:58.180 --> 00:20:03.180
hard to balance. Because then you're literally

00:20:03.180 --> 00:20:06.200
trying to pleasure everybody at once. It's a

00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:09.220
lot. I'm telling you, it is a lot. It's a lot.

00:20:10.349 --> 00:20:12.849
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invite a couple to your house on your first date.

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I already know how that could go bad. Yeah. We've

00:20:44.910 --> 00:20:46.349
never done that. We've never done that. But we

00:20:46.349 --> 00:20:48.390
have been to a couple's house on the first date.

00:20:48.690 --> 00:20:51.650
Yeah. Yeah, we have. It was just as awkward for

00:20:51.650 --> 00:20:54.069
us as I'm sure it was for them because they had

00:20:54.069 --> 00:20:56.789
never done anything lifestyle. They were super,

00:20:56.829 --> 00:20:59.730
super, super new. And we just were like hanging

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out at their house. Yeah. It was late at night.

00:21:02.170 --> 00:21:05.450
Yeah. After the bomb. It was. Yeah. So that one,

00:21:05.609 --> 00:21:08.069
like we went to their house, like we did play

00:21:08.069 --> 00:21:11.349
with them. Yeah. But we went to their house two

00:21:11.349 --> 00:21:13.109
or three times before we actually played with

00:21:13.109 --> 00:21:16.049
them because no one could get, I never like,

00:21:16.190 --> 00:21:22.009
I never got the vibe that to start playing, to

00:21:22.009 --> 00:21:25.130
make the move. But they were so new and so young.

00:21:25.250 --> 00:21:28.289
They were young. They were very young. And they,

00:21:28.410 --> 00:21:32.039
we were at their house. And so, yeah. But yeah,

00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:34.240
it always makes it awkward. That's why I would

00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:36.059
definitely always prefer to meet at a restaurant

00:21:36.059 --> 00:21:39.579
or a club or a place that's neutral. A good space

00:21:39.579 --> 00:21:41.779
where you can excuse yourself a little bit easier.

00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:43.240
It's a little harder when you're at your own

00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:46.140
house especially because you have to kick people

00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:48.220
out of your home pretty much and be the nicest

00:21:48.220 --> 00:21:50.960
possible doing it. It always makes things a little

00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:54.779
bit... I've also heard horror stories of it going

00:21:54.779 --> 00:21:59.769
bad and the couple getting in a fight. like physical

00:21:59.769 --> 00:22:02.130
altercations and then the first date you don't

00:22:02.130 --> 00:22:05.049
even know the people at all so you have no idea

00:22:05.049 --> 00:22:07.410
who in the heck or what they're like together

00:22:07.410 --> 00:22:10.190
their chemistry and yeah yeah just don't do that

00:22:10.190 --> 00:22:13.190
yeah don't recommend you're out of time and then

00:22:13.190 --> 00:22:16.009
never change rules when you're drunk or in the

00:22:16.009 --> 00:22:19.910
middle of play yeah never that's a big yeah huge

00:22:19.910 --> 00:22:21.809
one that definitely should be on there definitely

00:22:21.809 --> 00:22:23.990
do not break rules when you're in the middle

00:22:23.990 --> 00:22:27.450
of whatever yeah you're not going Don't change

00:22:27.450 --> 00:22:30.769
things. Don't adjust boundaries. In the middle

00:22:30.769 --> 00:22:33.230
of play, even if you're completely sober, that

00:22:33.230 --> 00:22:37.329
is not the time to be like, hey, I'm going to

00:22:37.329 --> 00:22:41.089
do this now. Hope you're okay with it. That's

00:22:41.089 --> 00:22:43.069
not the time or place to have that conversation.

00:22:43.789 --> 00:22:48.750
You stay within the boundaries and then afterwards,

00:22:49.170 --> 00:22:51.630
that's a conversation you can have at a later

00:22:51.630 --> 00:22:55.579
time. Like, hey, I think I want to... try this

00:22:55.579 --> 00:22:57.819
next time i know we've talked about it but how

00:22:57.819 --> 00:22:59.759
do you feel about it now that we have a little

00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:01.799
bit it's always okay to adjust and yeah boundaries

00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:03.880
and everything but definitely don't do it when

00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:05.500
you're under the influence when you can't consider

00:23:05.500 --> 00:23:08.079
no and when you're in those are later conversations

00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:13.200
and do it in private every 90 of the time your

00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:17.880
boundaries and rules are going to adjust because

00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.920
but they're also there for a reason exactly to

00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:23.099
address that reason in the middle yeah stuff

00:23:23.099 --> 00:23:27.160
like that it's just not But when you're adjusting

00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.880
your boundaries, that means the reason that boundary

00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:34.799
was there is no longer a problem. You don't change

00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:36.420
the boundary just to make your partner happy

00:23:36.420 --> 00:23:40.160
either. You're changing the boundary because

00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:45.900
you're both comfortable with it. Okay. Never

00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:48.839
hard swap with a couple that indulges in substances

00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.000
that we aren't comfortable consuming. and that

00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.359
goes back to just same with the last one anytime

00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:57.240
you're under the influence of anything you can't

00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:00.539
consent and also it's not fun it's sloppy yeah

00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:02.500
it's not it's usually not a good time anyway

00:24:02.500 --> 00:24:04.900
if you're yeah if people aren't in the right

00:24:04.900 --> 00:24:07.079
frame of mind and everyone's not present i definitely

00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.220
prefer sober and at least you know for the most

00:24:10.220 --> 00:24:12.680
part yeah i definitely prefer sober like a couple

00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.720
drinks is fine but past that it just starts to

00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:19.359
get a little bit Not fun. A couple drinks is

00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:23.140
fine. That's just like a social lubricant. But

00:24:23.140 --> 00:24:27.700
when you get to anything not that or too much

00:24:27.700 --> 00:24:35.299
of it's not like you don't feel anything. Everything

00:24:35.299 --> 00:24:38.279
goes up. You're not experiencing the sensations

00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:42.500
and everything that you want to feel because

00:24:42.500 --> 00:24:47.319
you're not all there. It's just not good. Don't

00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:51.299
do it. Yeah. Don't do it. The next one, not discussing

00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:54.839
the experience afterwards. Yeah, you definitely

00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:58.140
need to unpack. And some people prefer not to

00:24:58.140 --> 00:25:03.119
know details and not to talk about it, but. I,

00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.259
let's see. I can only speak from our experience

00:25:06.259 --> 00:25:11.279
and it's, we enjoy watching each other. Yeah.

00:25:12.940 --> 00:25:16.549
So. When we talk about it, it's like reliving

00:25:16.549 --> 00:25:19.349
those moments. So it might be different. Some

00:25:19.349 --> 00:25:21.890
people don't love to hear details and hear the

00:25:21.890 --> 00:25:25.029
ins and outs about everything that someone does.

00:25:25.089 --> 00:25:28.529
But for overall the experience as a whole, it's

00:25:28.529 --> 00:25:31.230
good for you and your partner to discuss that

00:25:31.230 --> 00:25:34.049
part. I think it's part of growing and part of

00:25:34.049 --> 00:25:36.329
being in the lifestyle and evolving and stuff.

00:25:36.349 --> 00:25:39.569
It's good to get it out there and just talk about

00:25:39.569 --> 00:25:41.450
your experience. You don't have to if that's

00:25:41.450 --> 00:25:44.039
your thing. You don't have to get into the nitty

00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.140
-gritty details. It kind of goes back to your

00:25:47.140 --> 00:25:52.380
wants and needs and desires. I desired this.

00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:57.440
I wanted this. I got this. This happened. Didn't

00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.660
love it. Let's not do that anymore or for a while.

00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:04.480
Back off a little bit. All right. And then the

00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:07.000
big one, another big one. that was going to make

00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:09.740
my list as well is jumping into fast rushing

00:26:09.740 --> 00:26:13.279
thin things instead of easing your way into the

00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.339
lifestyle and i think that's a big mistake that

00:26:15.339 --> 00:26:17.700
a lot of people make i think yeah everybody gets

00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:20.319
very excited yeah i always talk about that cocaine

00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.480
effect it's very it's a rush you get into that

00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:27.500
environment and you kind of get consumed and

00:26:27.500 --> 00:26:33.680
you start doing things that you think is okay

00:26:34.170 --> 00:26:36.789
but before you talked about it like you're just

00:26:36.789 --> 00:26:42.029
assuming it's okay yeah and you're jumping you're

00:26:42.029 --> 00:26:43.910
jumping in way too fast you're going in head

00:26:43.910 --> 00:26:47.049
first usually without any communication without

00:26:47.049 --> 00:26:52.670
communication just and it's nine times out of

00:26:52.670 --> 00:26:55.410
ten it ends badly yeah slow down it's not a race

00:26:55.410 --> 00:26:57.289
we always say that's one of our biggest tips

00:26:57.289 --> 00:26:59.509
that we tell everybody is to just if you're vibing

00:26:59.509 --> 00:27:02.650
with a couple and you're one of you isn't ready

00:27:02.650 --> 00:27:09.220
to swap or play with it anybody else it's okay

00:27:09.220 --> 00:27:11.579
your vibes there you're going to have another

00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:15.160
chance yeah you'll connect and the more you connect

00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:17.160
and the more often you see each other and the

00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.359
more you're around each other you don't have

00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.420
to do sexually but that does help in the long

00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:27.500
run yeah get comfortable and be yeah be and be

00:27:27.500 --> 00:27:31.009
and be and be Alright, for the next segment,

00:27:31.069 --> 00:27:33.329
we're going to talk about unspoken lessons no

00:27:33.329 --> 00:27:36.130
one warned us about. We're going to warn you

00:27:36.130 --> 00:27:39.210
guys about. That's what we're here for. First

00:27:39.210 --> 00:27:41.950
one is the lifestyle won't fix a broken relationship.

00:27:43.630 --> 00:27:48.789
Yeah, 100%. It will expose. Just like having

00:27:48.789 --> 00:27:51.609
a kid to save your marriage. Same idea. It's

00:27:51.609 --> 00:27:54.529
not going to make it any better. It's only going

00:27:54.529 --> 00:27:59.119
to amplify all of the things. People think In

00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.200
the beginning. It is helping. Yes. Because there's

00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:06.319
that honeymoon. That adrenaline rush. Yeah. Excitement.

00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.559
And they. Hot people. Everywhere. Hot people.

00:28:09.619 --> 00:28:11.619
And then. You get to touch. Your sex with your

00:28:11.619 --> 00:28:14.039
partner is really hot. Because you can't go on.

00:28:14.140 --> 00:28:17.500
Yeah. Because it's just sexy. Yeah. But that's

00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:22.339
when. Relationships become sex based. Which sex

00:28:22.339 --> 00:28:25.900
is an important part of your relationship. But

00:28:25.900 --> 00:28:30.519
it can't be sex based. Yeah. And that's where

00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:36.779
it's going to expose a lot of the fractures in

00:28:36.779 --> 00:28:39.160
your relationship. It will not save your marriage.

00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.559
You need to be going into this lifestyle with

00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:44.640
a strong foundation or you are going to be in

00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.440
trouble. You can build the best house in the

00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:49.940
world but the foundation isn't there. It's just

00:28:49.940 --> 00:28:53.339
going to crumble. All the old people sayings.

00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:57.440
All the old sayings. All the cliches. All the

00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.140
things that applies here definitely work on your

00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:04.480
foundation before you build on it because it

00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:09.720
will yeah 100 expose all the cracks faster and

00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:15.200
then the next one friendships can get messy i

00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:21.700
feel like they can yeah especially when you involve

00:29:21.700 --> 00:29:24.400
people that don't have strong foundations and

00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.339
have right that's what i was gonna get i was

00:29:26.339 --> 00:29:31.650
trying to word that is people, well, they don't

00:29:31.650 --> 00:29:34.869
have strong foundations and other people that

00:29:34.869 --> 00:29:37.250
don't understand the boundaries that you and

00:29:37.250 --> 00:29:41.410
your partner have and they cross your boundaries.

00:29:41.809 --> 00:29:43.930
Because you need to set boundaries for your friends

00:29:43.930 --> 00:29:46.710
as well as. Yeah. And then so you don't, when

00:29:46.710 --> 00:29:50.990
you don't trust your friends, then you, you try

00:29:50.990 --> 00:29:52.990
and bring it up to them. If they're not good,

00:29:53.089 --> 00:29:56.329
they get defensive and yeah, it can be a whole

00:29:56.329 --> 00:29:57.910
thing. Just like any other friendship. You have

00:29:57.910 --> 00:30:00.769
to work and put effort into it and it's complicated

00:30:00.769 --> 00:30:03.210
and it can get messy. But then you add sex on

00:30:03.210 --> 00:30:05.470
top of it and marriages and relationships and

00:30:05.470 --> 00:30:09.210
stuff. So the chance of things going bad are

00:30:09.210 --> 00:30:11.309
a little bit higher. And, you know, set those

00:30:11.309 --> 00:30:13.509
boundaries with your friends or even non -lifestyle

00:30:13.509 --> 00:30:16.349
friends. You should be setting boundaries. All

00:30:16.349 --> 00:30:18.690
of our friends know that we put our family first,

00:30:18.829 --> 00:30:21.829
that we are usually 99 % of the time busy with

00:30:21.829 --> 00:30:24.529
kids and life and work and family and all of

00:30:24.529 --> 00:30:27.750
that. And it's hard to get. together and it's

00:30:27.750 --> 00:30:31.430
not the easiest and we do struggle to get date

00:30:31.430 --> 00:30:33.670
nights in and stuff with people and you have

00:30:33.670 --> 00:30:35.089
to be a little bit more patient with us because

00:30:35.089 --> 00:30:38.730
we do this is what we do for fun yeah this is

00:30:38.730 --> 00:30:42.549
most part this is our free time yeah we don't

00:30:42.549 --> 00:30:45.109
have that much of it so we try to as much as

00:30:45.109 --> 00:30:47.630
possible what helps you know we do share it with

00:30:47.630 --> 00:30:51.170
you guys but it is a little bit more complicated

00:30:51.170 --> 00:30:53.230
and stuff so set those boundaries and make sure

00:30:53.230 --> 00:30:56.420
that you yeah that kind of goes back to the part

00:30:56.420 --> 00:31:00.140
where your boundaries like set your boundaries

00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:03.539
before you even get into it everybody period

00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:05.880
with everybody with everyone yourself everyone

00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:09.000
yeah all the boundaries yes and then handling

00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.579
lifestyle burnout because that's a real thing

00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:14.559
yeah and it's okay to take breaks i know we know

00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:18.059
a lot of couples that do take breaks but hot

00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:20.359
take though hot take we actually discussed this

00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:22.640
not too long ago we had a late night discussion

00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:28.890
on this but I feel like if you... I don't know.

00:31:28.930 --> 00:31:30.509
I don't want to make anyone mad, but I think

00:31:30.509 --> 00:31:32.470
that if you step away from the lifestyle and

00:31:32.470 --> 00:31:34.170
you stop being in the lifestyle, that usually

00:31:34.170 --> 00:31:37.269
is a red flag for me. I don't know. I think a

00:31:37.269 --> 00:31:39.230
lot of the couples that say that they're taking

00:31:39.230 --> 00:31:42.970
a break from the lifestyle are... Yeah, we did

00:31:42.970 --> 00:31:44.349
talk about that. It's usually a marriage issue.

00:31:44.650 --> 00:31:48.569
Yeah. Also... And it's okay to not actively swing

00:31:48.569 --> 00:31:50.390
and not go to events and not go to clubs and

00:31:50.390 --> 00:31:52.529
not do all of that, but to remove yourself completely

00:31:52.529 --> 00:31:55.519
from being... a swinger in the lifestyle and

00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.339
stuff that yeah when you completely ostracize

00:31:58.339 --> 00:32:00.960
yourself for a while and then come back like

00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.900
nothing happened it's always a red flag that's

00:32:02.900 --> 00:32:08.039
a that is a red flag because we build real friendships

00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:13.299
in the lifestyle yeah if any of our friends in

00:32:13.299 --> 00:32:16.380
the lifestyle just all of a sudden just stopped

00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:18.220
communicating with us and said well we're not

00:32:18.220 --> 00:32:19.980
in the lifestyle like well i thought we were

00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:23.089
friends yeah yeah I think because the definition

00:32:23.089 --> 00:32:27.069
of lifestyle is it's your lifestyle. It's the

00:32:27.069 --> 00:32:29.509
way that you live. That is something. Another

00:32:29.509 --> 00:32:34.089
hot take. Hot take. People call this a hobby.

00:32:34.890 --> 00:32:39.150
Yeah. But it's a lifestyle. When can everybody

00:32:39.150 --> 00:32:42.750
just own it? You know what I mean? For some people,

00:32:42.809 --> 00:32:44.769
they do it once a year and they go to Hedo and

00:32:44.769 --> 00:32:48.069
come home. And it is like a... So I feel like

00:32:48.069 --> 00:32:51.900
that's the... For me, again... that's there between

00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:54.579
the lifestyle and swingers i mean a swinger yeah

00:32:54.579 --> 00:32:58.799
yeah or being like a exhibition like i don't

00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.920
feel like those two words are synonymous yeah

00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.279
i think if you're saying lifestyle that you're

00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.680
not monogamous it's part of who you are as a

00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.880
human being so yeah and it's i mean it's okay

00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.220
to not go to events and not go to parties and

00:33:13.220 --> 00:33:15.579
not do all of that and everything else and it's

00:33:15.579 --> 00:33:17.799
okay to take breaks and it is overwhelming i

00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.039
get that i do but yeah it can be a lot not just

00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:26.799
emotionally and physically but financially oh

00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:29.180
yeah oh yeah it's not cheap it is expensive not

00:33:29.180 --> 00:33:33.500
cheap to be here no so yeah i get people taking

00:33:33.500 --> 00:33:37.279
breaks but it's the people that have to feel

00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.559
like they have to announce it yeah yeah that

00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.359
yeah it's the people that it's the same for people

00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.559
that like focusing on their marriage usually

00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:47.819
it's because there's something in the marriage

00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:50.059
and that's okay to do that and focus on that

00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:53.099
but yeah it should be something that you're doing

00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:57.319
every day anyway yeah like i don't know i guess

00:33:57.319 --> 00:33:59.380
it's just hard to understand when it is such

00:33:59.380 --> 00:34:01.680
a part of our life because we've taken breaks

00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.799
i'd say we've stepped away but we were still

00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.699
in the lifestyle We still talk to our friends.

00:34:08.980 --> 00:34:12.119
We're still swingers. That's what I was going

00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:16.320
to say. We were actively playing and going to

00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.440
the club or clubs and takeovers and stuff like

00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.719
that. We're still talking with our circle and

00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:27.219
our friends and being a part of it online. We

00:34:27.219 --> 00:34:31.980
are real friends. They're real friends. People

00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:35.519
that announced their exit and then cut everyone

00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:41.750
off. that tells me that you don't want anybody

00:34:41.750 --> 00:34:45.590
to see what's actually going on yeah just a red

00:34:45.590 --> 00:34:47.989
flag just and it's not and red flags aren't don't

00:34:47.989 --> 00:34:50.829
mean it's like end all be all it is just a little

00:34:50.829 --> 00:34:52.409
thing to keep an eye on that's what i always

00:34:52.409 --> 00:34:54.269
try to tell people people get so defensive when

00:34:54.269 --> 00:34:56.489
i say that's a red flag it doesn't mean that

00:34:56.489 --> 00:34:59.829
it's it's not it's toxic or it's a no completely

00:34:59.829 --> 00:35:02.889
shut down it's just something that i keep an

00:35:02.889 --> 00:35:05.269
eye on and again with that gut feeling it's just

00:35:05.269 --> 00:35:08.690
something that i I watch and I look and I observe

00:35:08.690 --> 00:35:11.110
and... Everyone has red flags. Just a warning.

00:35:11.750 --> 00:35:14.230
Everyone has red flags. Oh, I have so many. Yeah.

00:35:14.610 --> 00:35:16.809
Like, I have red flags. You have red flags. Like,

00:35:16.809 --> 00:35:18.730
we all have red flags. It's just a warning. Just

00:35:18.730 --> 00:35:25.030
a little... I feel like there are more cues onto

00:35:25.030 --> 00:35:27.630
if... Are you going to mesh with that person

00:35:27.630 --> 00:35:29.530
or not? Yeah. And everyone's like... Like, are

00:35:29.530 --> 00:35:32.889
their red flags not copacetic with your red flags?

00:35:33.190 --> 00:35:36.530
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00:36:17.619 --> 00:36:20.179
next segment. What would you tell your past self?

00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.440
If we could go back in time, what advice would

00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.579
you give yourself? Like how far back in time?

00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.039
Probably the beginning, I'd say. Like the lifestyle?

00:36:28.059 --> 00:36:31.380
First day. Or like 18? No, lifestyle. Lifestyle.

00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:33.639
Because if it was my 18, like... You're not going

00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:38.039
to believe this shit. Lifestyle. Well, hang on.

00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:47.199
Just wait. But not lifestyle. I would tell my

00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:52.119
younger self what we say every single week. It's

00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.320
not that serious. Don't make it weird. There's

00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:56.880
a reason we say that. It's not just something

00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:01.280
we say. It's part of our everyday. phrase we

00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:05.280
say all the time um i would say that oh you are

00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.320
attractive people do find you attractive your

00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:13.579
penis is big enough what else get comfortable

00:37:13.579 --> 00:37:15.579
being uncomfortable it's okay to be uncomfortable

00:37:15.579 --> 00:37:17.519
we've said that one way before the lifestyle

00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.539
okay to be comfortable uncomfortable that's when

00:37:20.539 --> 00:37:22.380
the best things happen when you're uncomfortable

00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:26.190
yeah don't be afraid to voice how you feel or

00:37:26.190 --> 00:37:28.570
what you want your needs your wants how you're

00:37:28.570 --> 00:37:30.929
feeling yeah you're uncomfortable anything at

00:37:30.929 --> 00:37:33.849
all be comfortable speaking up for yourself and

00:37:33.849 --> 00:37:35.349
standing up for yourself because you do and you

00:37:35.349 --> 00:37:37.349
will have to in the lifestyle you will have to

00:37:37.349 --> 00:37:40.110
be a voice for yourself and your partner and

00:37:40.110 --> 00:37:43.570
your friends and the lifestyle in general we

00:37:43.570 --> 00:37:47.130
are but don't be so scared it's okay to not like

00:37:47.130 --> 00:37:49.809
things to like things to have an opinion it's

00:37:49.809 --> 00:37:53.489
okay yeah it's It's okay to have an opinion.

00:37:53.750 --> 00:37:56.090
It's okay to not be okay with everything. Their

00:37:56.090 --> 00:38:00.230
emotional response isn't your responsibility.

00:38:01.349 --> 00:38:04.369
And it's an us thing. That's all that matters.

00:38:04.469 --> 00:38:06.670
Nothing else matters. And sometimes that does

00:38:06.670 --> 00:38:09.449
help me to step back and say that to myself and

00:38:09.449 --> 00:38:13.269
realize none of this matters that much. As long

00:38:13.269 --> 00:38:17.269
as you and him are okay, it's an us thing. That's

00:38:17.269 --> 00:38:19.469
all that really matters. All of this little stuff.

00:38:19.590 --> 00:38:24.030
As long as we're good. The world's good. That's

00:38:24.030 --> 00:38:26.949
it. All right. What do you think is the biggest

00:38:26.949 --> 00:38:30.389
mind shift that we've had over the last five

00:38:30.389 --> 00:38:35.869
years in the lifestyle? Our biggest shift, I

00:38:35.869 --> 00:38:42.110
feel, is we recognize the emotions that happen.

00:38:42.269 --> 00:38:44.190
And the fact that it's okay to have emotions.

00:38:44.309 --> 00:38:47.489
We spent so long just no emotion, no emotion,

00:38:47.610 --> 00:38:50.710
no feeling. We fought it. We did. And the fact

00:38:50.710 --> 00:38:53.829
that we were feeling a certain way or that we

00:38:53.829 --> 00:38:56.969
were close with people, we felt guilt about it.

00:38:57.010 --> 00:38:58.710
Yeah. Like, we're not supposed to do this. Scary.

00:38:58.710 --> 00:39:01.110
I'm only supposed to have emotions for you. Yeah,

00:39:01.110 --> 00:39:03.889
no emotions for anyone else. But it's recognizing

00:39:03.889 --> 00:39:06.250
that there's different type of emotions. Yeah.

00:39:06.329 --> 00:39:08.710
And emotions are, again, natural and they're

00:39:08.710 --> 00:39:10.829
going to happen and feelings happen and it's

00:39:10.829 --> 00:39:12.570
okay. I think that's been the biggest shift.

00:39:12.630 --> 00:39:15.889
It's not the enemy. Because we would, in the

00:39:15.889 --> 00:39:17.750
very beginning, like, if we started getting too

00:39:17.750 --> 00:39:20.880
close to people, we would just. Ghost. Yeah,

00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.880
we'd be like, this is too, this is getting too

00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.260
heavy. It's getting too serious. It's too scary.

00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:28.780
And yeah, we would just run. And now. I found

00:39:28.780 --> 00:39:31.980
myself, I, with people we've met recently, like,

00:39:32.019 --> 00:39:35.659
I, you even said that to me because I was like,

00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.659
I forget what I was saying one day and I was

00:39:37.659 --> 00:39:40.099
going, I was having a moment and you were like,

00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:42.849
you're starting, you're trying to. Pull back

00:39:42.849 --> 00:39:45.449
from them. Oh, yeah, yeah. I forget what I exactly

00:39:45.449 --> 00:39:47.469
said. I call you on that shit now. Yeah, I forget

00:39:47.469 --> 00:39:48.829
what I exactly said, and I was like, it's getting

00:39:48.829 --> 00:39:50.869
too scary, so you're starting to put that wall

00:39:50.869 --> 00:39:53.369
back up because I'm starting to, like, you know,

00:39:53.389 --> 00:39:55.449
analyze it and getting a little too scared of

00:39:55.449 --> 00:39:57.610
things, and then you're like, there you are trying

00:39:57.610 --> 00:39:59.769
to run them off again. So I have to remind myself,

00:39:59.869 --> 00:40:02.250
and it's good to have somebody that keeps you

00:40:02.250 --> 00:40:04.489
in check, too. Yeah, and I don't say it, like,

00:40:04.489 --> 00:40:06.269
in a bad way. No, no, no, no. It's literally

00:40:06.269 --> 00:40:08.650
just that. It's literally just, like, because

00:40:08.650 --> 00:40:11.309
I... I recognize it. yeah so you reckon because

00:40:11.309 --> 00:40:14.630
you do it so naturally that's what i've always

00:40:14.630 --> 00:40:16.369
done you've always done it don't let anybody

00:40:16.369 --> 00:40:19.309
in block your heart block the wall up yeah and

00:40:19.309 --> 00:40:22.329
so yeah i do tend to fall back on that and i

00:40:22.329 --> 00:40:25.190
have to remember i have you to remind me well

00:40:25.190 --> 00:40:29.090
you called me out on my yeah just different different

00:40:29.090 --> 00:40:33.010
yeah different thing yes all right and then one

00:40:33.010 --> 00:40:35.289
piece of advice for new people ending the lifestyle

00:40:35.289 --> 00:40:42.760
now off of all of that say my i would say to

00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:49.280
anybody new single or in a relationship that

00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:55.280
it's not a race yes slow down there's always

00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:59.099
going to be plenty of time to people you're gonna

00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:03.019
find plenty of people and be patient you're gonna

00:41:03.019 --> 00:41:06.179
find i know it's Depending on where you live

00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:08.139
and who you're hanging out with and the clubs

00:41:08.139 --> 00:41:09.800
you're going to and the places you're going,

00:41:09.940 --> 00:41:13.760
it might take you a long time to find your people

00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:15.940
and it might take you a long time to find somebody

00:41:15.940 --> 00:41:18.219
to swap with or to even be interested in swapping

00:41:18.219 --> 00:41:20.880
with. And that's okay. There are people out there.

00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:22.820
I promise you every shape, every color, every

00:41:22.820 --> 00:41:26.000
size, everything. You will find your people that

00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.800
are into the same stuff that you're into. They're

00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.159
out there. Sometimes it's just we're lucky and

00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.650
we live in a really... populated area full of

00:41:33.650 --> 00:41:35.690
swingers and we're very very spoiled with the

00:41:35.690 --> 00:41:37.769
clubs and the events and all the things here

00:41:37.769 --> 00:41:42.949
but if you live in you know arkansas or iowa

00:41:42.949 --> 00:41:45.590
or somewhere where there's nothing you're gonna

00:41:45.590 --> 00:41:47.969
have a little bit harder time finding your people

00:41:47.969 --> 00:41:50.170
but i promise that they're out there they're

00:41:50.170 --> 00:41:52.269
very discreet yeah i promise they're out there

00:41:52.269 --> 00:41:54.369
because you're in the bible belt you're gonna

00:41:54.369 --> 00:41:56.909
have to just search a little bit harder be patient

00:41:56.909 --> 00:42:00.369
you know just in general another i got another

00:42:00.369 --> 00:42:04.969
one too and this again for singles or couples

00:42:04.969 --> 00:42:11.230
is understand that as a couple or a single person

00:42:11.230 --> 00:42:15.690
you're being invited into another couple's dynamic

00:42:15.690 --> 00:42:21.210
relationship so understand your place yeah yeah

00:42:21.210 --> 00:42:23.289
and your purpose and your purpose why you're

00:42:23.289 --> 00:42:25.909
all there and what yeah and that purpose can

00:42:25.909 --> 00:42:30.360
vary and that reason can change but just understand

00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.940
that you're being invited into that other couple's

00:42:33.940 --> 00:42:37.079
or people's dynamic yeah it's kind of a big deal

00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.860
yeah no just be respectful exactly kind be a

00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:45.019
good human just be nice really it's very simple

00:42:45.019 --> 00:42:48.300
as that put yourself out there too like don't

00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:50.519
be afraid to just go out there and say hi and

00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.619
to talk to the person and everyone's like oh

00:42:52.619 --> 00:42:54.610
they're out of my life don't Do you know how

00:42:54.610 --> 00:42:56.550
many times that I've been out of my league in

00:42:56.550 --> 00:42:58.989
this last five years? Do you know how many times

00:42:58.989 --> 00:43:02.170
I've looked at him and be like, what is happening

00:43:02.170 --> 00:43:06.469
right now? I would have never imagined. It's

00:43:06.469 --> 00:43:09.570
all a vibe. It's all energy. It's all a personality

00:43:09.570 --> 00:43:13.269
thing. It's so much more. We've pulled some dime

00:43:13.269 --> 00:43:14.989
pieces together. We've looked at each other at

00:43:14.989 --> 00:43:19.110
five. There's been moments where we're just mind

00:43:19.110 --> 00:43:22.440
blown, speechless type thing. It's just about,

00:43:22.460 --> 00:43:24.800
it's about so much more than looks and about

00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.800
the perfect body or the perfect whatever face

00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:31.480
or smile or eyes or whatever. Really? I would

00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.380
say this in its confidence. Confidence. Find

00:43:35.380 --> 00:43:39.139
your confidence. Yeah. If you believe it. They're

00:43:39.139 --> 00:43:41.099
all going to believe it. So whatever you believe

00:43:41.099 --> 00:43:43.920
is going to be what it is. But if you're going

00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.460
to believe it, believe it. Believe it. Yeah.

00:43:46.619 --> 00:43:50.800
Because if it's disingenuine, everybody's going

00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:52.239
to see you right through it. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.179
You have to believe it with your gut and your

00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:56.780
whole heart and everyone. It will be. Period.

00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.780
Yeah. And that's, I mean, I know it sounds insane,

00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:03.039
but watch. You just watch. You just watch. Go

00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.119
out there confident and everyone else will believe

00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.300
in you too and everything that it is that you

00:44:07.300 --> 00:44:10.519
want to be. You can be in this lifestyle. And

00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:11.860
that's probably one of my favorite things. There's

00:44:11.860 --> 00:44:15.400
someone for everyone. And nobody is out of your

00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.300
league. I promise. I promise. That's not a thing

00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:20.760
here. It's all about the chemistry and the vibes

00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.019
and humans. Be kind. Be good. Just be a good

00:44:24.019 --> 00:44:27.639
person and be friendly. You know, be charismatic.

00:44:27.699 --> 00:44:31.500
Go make friends. Smile. Make eye contact. Just

00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:36.039
be. Just be. Just be. Be yourself. Be yourself.

00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.539
Yeah. All right. And then for the last segment,

00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:42.300
the best decisions we have ever made. Redemptions.

00:44:42.460 --> 00:44:46.880
These are our redemptions. Learning to walk away

00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:49.900
and saying no. We're back to that pretty much.

00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.380
Yeah. And it's come full circle. It's okay to

00:44:53.380 --> 00:44:56.539
realize this is not something that I want. This

00:44:56.539 --> 00:44:58.219
is not something or someone that I'm interested

00:44:58.219 --> 00:45:01.820
in. And there is power in just not and saying

00:45:01.820 --> 00:45:04.360
no and speaking out for yourself or your partner

00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:09.030
or both of you. yeah saying it's not just speaking

00:45:09.030 --> 00:45:13.150
up with other people it's speaking up with your

00:45:13.150 --> 00:45:17.570
partner yeah and to yourself recognizing that

00:45:17.570 --> 00:45:20.130
you don't this isn't something you want personally

00:45:20.130 --> 00:45:24.510
and then going from there you're choosing what

00:45:24.510 --> 00:45:27.969
you want and what you don't want and say have

00:45:27.969 --> 00:45:32.989
power in that even negative emotions can be turned

00:45:32.989 --> 00:45:37.119
into positive emotions that's okay yeah like

00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:39.179
even if you're having a bad experience and you

00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:42.599
step away from it and you eventually figure out

00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.940
why it was a bad experience for you why you didn't

00:45:45.940 --> 00:45:49.420
like it no and then you go from there and you

00:45:49.420 --> 00:45:51.760
grow and then the next big one is surrounding

00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:55.260
ourselves with the right people and that has

00:45:55.260 --> 00:45:58.960
changed yes pretty much everything in this past

00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:03.880
year or so we've really We've revaluated a lot

00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:06.119
of our relationships and our friendships with

00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:08.739
people and who we surround ourselves with. We

00:46:08.739 --> 00:46:10.300
stepped back and we were like, is this really

00:46:10.300 --> 00:46:12.380
what we want? Is this really who we want to be

00:46:12.380 --> 00:46:15.099
associated with? Is this really what we're wanting?

00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:22.739
We definitely have rekindled old friendships

00:46:22.739 --> 00:46:28.579
that we realize were very valuable. We've taken

00:46:28.579 --> 00:46:32.139
a step back from some friendships that... we're

00:46:32.139 --> 00:46:38.159
not serving not serving yeah not yeah and we've

00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:43.340
built some new amazing friendships yeah and it's

00:46:43.340 --> 00:46:46.719
amazing what you attract when you allow it yeah

00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:48.980
when you are just being yourself and you just

00:46:48.980 --> 00:46:51.320
put that wall down and you just become authentic

00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:56.239
and you are who you are you attract that yeah

00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.719
and it's amazing how you can attract that just

00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:02.130
from being yourself and you'll find the people

00:47:02.130 --> 00:47:04.429
come to you. It's like a magnet. As soon as you

00:47:04.429 --> 00:47:07.409
put yourself out there and you just be your true

00:47:07.409 --> 00:47:10.449
self, you'll find people that gravitate towards

00:47:10.449 --> 00:47:13.889
you, that love you. And that just, it's good.

00:47:14.150 --> 00:47:16.469
It is. It's a good thing. That was the best thing.

00:47:16.469 --> 00:47:19.750
We built a pretty good tribe. I'm not gonna lie.

00:47:19.989 --> 00:47:22.690
Yeah. It's the 3 a .m. No questions asked. Shovel.

00:47:22.750 --> 00:47:26.429
Yeah. I could call. Shovel type of people. Yeah.

00:47:26.909 --> 00:47:30.130
Yes. And. Not only people and friends and everything,

00:47:30.210 --> 00:47:33.050
but the people you play with. So not settling

00:47:33.050 --> 00:47:36.630
for just any and any. Well, and I think now because

00:47:36.630 --> 00:47:39.230
we're surrounding ourselves with people that

00:47:39.230 --> 00:47:40.909
we're comfortable with, who we're ourselves with,

00:47:40.969 --> 00:47:45.869
it allows for the conversations to happen and

00:47:45.869 --> 00:47:52.869
to fulfill fantasies that aren't possible with

00:47:52.869 --> 00:48:01.039
that. Certain level. Yeah. Just. Yeah. So the

00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:02.820
more comfortable you get, the more fantasies

00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:06.079
you get to explore. It's a whole new world. Yeah.

00:48:06.860 --> 00:48:09.239
100%. I'm here for it though. 10 out of 10 recommend.

00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:12.380
10 out of 10 recommend. I'm here for it. And

00:48:12.380 --> 00:48:14.860
the last thing I would have to say is embrace

00:48:14.860 --> 00:48:19.639
the fun and not the pressure. Yeah. Yeah. If

00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.559
you're feeling a lot of pressure. Expectation.

00:48:22.699 --> 00:48:25.329
Expect. And those usually come from expectations.

00:48:25.710 --> 00:48:28.289
What happens when that doesn't happen? You can

00:48:28.289 --> 00:48:31.849
easily get pissed off. We know people who go

00:48:31.849 --> 00:48:35.670
in with super big expectations and then they

00:48:35.670 --> 00:48:39.489
leave not fulfilling those expectations. They

00:48:39.489 --> 00:48:44.190
throw a fit like a child. We've seen full -blown

00:48:44.190 --> 00:48:46.789
tantrums from these people that are like this.

00:48:47.050 --> 00:48:51.829
It makes total sense though. If you go back a

00:48:51.829 --> 00:48:57.090
few weeks when I talked to Jim, we learn everything

00:48:57.090 --> 00:49:03.090
emotionally by the age of eight. And if we don't

00:49:03.090 --> 00:49:06.610
work on ourselves after that, we are responding

00:49:06.610 --> 00:49:09.550
at an emotional level of an eight -year -old.

00:49:09.670 --> 00:49:11.510
That's exactly right. Temper tantrum, we see.

00:49:11.789 --> 00:49:14.829
So they're not doing it. And that's another red

00:49:14.829 --> 00:49:17.289
flag is, oh, you're not doing the work on yourself.

00:49:17.610 --> 00:49:20.170
You're not actually finding why you're. Trying

00:49:20.170 --> 00:49:21.650
to figure out why you're having these feelings.

00:49:21.750 --> 00:49:24.130
You're just blaming it on everyone else. That's

00:49:24.130 --> 00:49:26.690
usually the thing they deflect onto someone else.

00:49:26.730 --> 00:49:29.289
Take it out on, unfortunately, their partner

00:49:29.289 --> 00:49:32.530
and their person. Yeah, unfortunately. And that's

00:49:32.530 --> 00:49:35.150
where you start seeing relationships crumble.

00:49:36.170 --> 00:49:40.389
Yeah, that's the gist of all the most common

00:49:40.389 --> 00:49:43.570
list of stuff. People regret the biggest mistakes

00:49:43.570 --> 00:49:46.949
they've made. hearing all the time on social

00:49:46.949 --> 00:49:52.090
media and dms and emails and podcasts comments

00:49:52.090 --> 00:49:54.429
and all of that that's pretty much the big i

00:49:54.429 --> 00:49:56.230
know there's so many more if you think of anything

00:49:56.230 --> 00:50:02.090
else dms drop us comment down below youtube wherever

00:50:02.090 --> 00:50:03.949
you're watching this or you can put a comment

00:50:03.949 --> 00:50:06.369
just about anywhere nowadays so social media

00:50:06.369 --> 00:50:09.789
dms and we have email there's so many different

00:50:09.789 --> 00:50:12.719
ways to reach us if you have more We're always

00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.599
up for continuing episodes and talking more about

00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:17.980
these things and hopefully helping you avoid

00:50:17.980 --> 00:50:20.159
some of these mistakes that we've made and others

00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.019
have made along the lines. Try to give a couple

00:50:23.019 --> 00:50:27.320
cheat codes to make it easier. Yes. We don't

00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.340
want anybody to make the same mistakes. We've

00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:31.539
learned some hard lessons. There we go. That's

00:50:31.539 --> 00:50:33.179
what I was trying to say. Learn some hard lessons.

00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:37.599
We're trying to help you out. But next week's

00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.659
episode, we will be live at Secrets. It's going

00:50:40.659 --> 00:50:42.480
to be exciting with the motherfucking leaves.

00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.380
I'm so excited. We're finally going to have them

00:50:45.380 --> 00:50:47.179
on the podcast. We're probably going to sit down.

00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:49.480
Yeah, in person. We've talked about them pretty

00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:51.380
much every episode for the last. They've almost

00:50:51.380 --> 00:50:55.119
been on our podcast. Quite a few times. But something's

00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:58.000
always happened. The internet keeps testing us.

00:50:58.099 --> 00:50:59.900
So we're finally going to sit down with them.

00:50:59.960 --> 00:51:02.340
We have two days with them at Secrets. And then

00:51:02.340 --> 00:51:05.599
we'll be there for five days. So we should have

00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.469
time. We're going to probably do another. podcast

00:51:08.469 --> 00:51:11.110
as well while we're there us wrapping up the

00:51:11.110 --> 00:51:13.989
weekend and all of that too so definitely look

00:51:13.989 --> 00:51:17.030
forward to all of social media we're going to

00:51:17.030 --> 00:51:19.510
be having all the secrets things all the tiktoks

00:51:19.510 --> 00:51:22.550
and instagrams and we'll have all of that coming

00:51:22.550 --> 00:51:25.489
here soon and that's really the big thing going

00:51:25.489 --> 00:51:28.429
on right now secrets is kind of a big deal it's

00:51:28.429 --> 00:51:31.409
pretty pretty huge event for us two three times

00:51:31.409 --> 00:51:34.550
a year so we're excited to be there and do that

00:51:34.550 --> 00:51:37.320
and have time together and It's been a week in

00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.519
Florida. It's always a good turn. But if you

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00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:57.239
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