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Welcome to Hot Couple Chronicles, a podcast exploring the singing lifestyle.

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Our discussions may contain explicit content and adult themes intended for mature audiences.

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While we strive to offer valuable insights and entertainment, please be aware that the

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views expressed are based on personal experiences and opinions. We encourage listeners to approach

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the content with an open mind and to prioritize communication, consent, and respect in their

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relationships. Remember everyone's journey is unique, so take what resonates with you and leave

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what doesn't. Thank you for joining us on our adventure.

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I'm Russ and I'm Ashley and this is Hot Couple Chronicles.

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Thanks. Happy Wednesday. Here we are again. Thanks for coming back.

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Those of you that came back, we appreciate that. We appreciate it a whole lot. So much. Yes.

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So yeah, this week we're going to do the Great Debate. We're going to talk about different

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statements and different, we have some different questions, rapid fire questions, stuff to

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statements about the lifestyle that I've gathered on social media and I've asked on our stories

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and gotten some answers from. So yeah, just pretty much misconceptions and myths and

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different things to debate about. And then, yeah, that should be fun. We're trying all the things.

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Yeah. We're trying to try it out. I mean, last week we interviewed Bobby. Yeah, we're trying to do

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some interviews. We're trying to do some games, keep it lighthearted, and then like some more

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educational. I thought it was a really good conversation we had with, it went so fast.

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Yeah. It went really fast. I had so many questions. Yeah. Like after I was done,

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I was like, dude, I should have asked this. We need to do a part two just because we,

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in retrospect, we're like, oh, I should have asked this or I should have asked that.

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I hate, interviewing is not our strongest suit and it's definitely a learned thing.

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It definitely is like a skill that you craft. Yeah. I'm hoping we get better

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and I feel like it is getting better. I like the fact that we just talk to people.

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It's not so much an interview. No, no. It's definitely, we're just having a conversation

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with somebody. I go into it with like, we need to have a plan and outline some questions. And then

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every single time it's like, I don't even know. I'm trying to look through all of our stuff and

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try to find where we are. And it goes off course. And then, because you never know what they're

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going to say. And that's the part that's like terrifying. So I'm never sure what's happening.

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And terrifying is the plan they're inside you. Yeah. I need to outline.

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You're not supposed to say that. We're all contract.

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We used to like even send that to them too. Yeah. We used to send them questions and then we're

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like, that's silly. I appreciate when podcasts do it for me. So that's why I always send everybody

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all the questions ahead of time. And if they ask, I will, but like we decided not to do that.

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I feel like it's way more authentic. It's more, you get a more genuine response,

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but you don't have time to think about it. Me, no, I'm always like, please send me everything

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you're going to say to me. So I know what's happening next. Cause I would like that. I mean,

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if they ask, I will give it to them. But I do like the whole, they're not sure what we're going to do

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with it. Like we have a general topic, but that's it. Yeah. So I don't hate that. But if those,

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I don't know, interviewing is not our strong suit. We're definitely learning. So thank you for being

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patient with us because it's not easy. I thought it would just be so much easier. I don't know.

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Transition. Yeah. The transitioning part. Yeah. We can sit there and talk about something,

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but then it's like, oh, we need to change the subject. Yeah. And we have a time limit.

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The time limit thing really sucks. Cause I'm like, dang it. The last interview, I'm like,

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we're out to do them again. And we're just like, oh, every time we're like, well, we'll just have

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to have a lot again and continue the story. Cause I always like the next day I'm like, dang it,

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I should have got more into this or that. And I should ask this question. It's fine. It's all

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right. We'll get better. I feel like as we do it, I mean, this is only episode 15. Yeah. Now we're

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still learning, still figuring this out. We don't know what we're doing here. It's only like,

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it sounds like a lot when you say 15, but it's only 15 weeks. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, that's crazy.

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I agree. But not even we're squeezing us in between all like our real life stuff. That's

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and that's raising Thanksgiving. We had Thanksgiving now it's Wednesday. So I'd be a week ago

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almost. And yeah, we had a good Thanksgiving. Yeah. I tried to ruin the Turkey. Oh yeah. Yes. Yeah.

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Yeah. He decided to put on the smoker to clear room for. Yeah. It only makes sense to put it on

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the smoker to, so I don't have a giant bird in the oven so I can cook all the other things. Cause

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it makes it's only logical. We use the smoker to cook on it like multiple times a week. Like it's

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very used. We, I mean, stuff all week, every week. Like it's not something that we're not used to,

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but it turned, it was turned up. It was a little too hot, got a little too hot. And he had three

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pounds of butter inside of the Turkey. I did eat a lot of butter. It was delicious. So so good.

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But the butter as it was basting through the Turkey caught on fire in the bottom. It went inside,

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came back out and there was just smoke. No, cause I put the Turkey on the grill. Then I'm like,

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all right, everything's more or less prepped. The Turkey's on. I'm going to go take a shower

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and get dressed. And so that's why I got out of the shower and just glance at my phone to check the

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temperature, make sure everything was working. And it was like a hundred degrees too hot. I'm like,

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that's not right. And so I ran downstairs. I saw before I even got outside, I saw the smoke coming

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out of it. I'm like, and then he had to run somewhere. Oh, we were dog sitting for friends

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and he ran to go let them out real quick and everything was chill. And then I walked outside,

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not even five minutes after that happened and it was on fire again. Yeah. Thank gosh that we

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caught it like super quick. Yeah. Like we caught it as soon as it did. It charred the bottom.

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Like I had it for, if anybody cares, like I spatchcocked it, which means you cut the

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backbone out of it and it lays flat. So it only charred like the rib cage. Yeah. It was the

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the side of like, well there's Thanksgiving, no Turkey. It's fine. Like we'll just have,

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we had so much food. I was like, it's whatever. It's fine. I know he was so upset and he had

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spent so much time and I'm like, it's okay. I yelled, yelled. You're like, what's treating you?

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I know. I'm like, I thought you got hurt or something. Yeah. Yes. It was, but after we took

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the charred skin off and I carved it, it was really good. Everything was so good. He, everything,

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he can't cook anything. That's not good. That's not true. It's true. It's true. It's true.

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15 years, I've never seen it. So it's true. There's been something. I'm sure there's been

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something. I know. 15 years, I'm sure. We just blocked that part out, I guess. No,

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no, no, no. We don't talk about that. Everything you do is perfect. It's stupid. Not true. Yeah.

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It was good. We had our, all of our kids home. Sorry. Our daughter lives in Florida and she

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came home with her, her boyfriend and she spent, and then he went to have to go to bed because he

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had to be up at. Yeah. I had to go to work Friday morning. Six in the morning. So I played

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Uno with the kids, the cheating kids and never seen people cheat at Uno so much. Like all, like

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they were teaming each of, they all had teams and I was the one that was out. So I had no teammate

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and they were all working with each other and I was like, whatever. And they were all so happy.

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I was like, whatever. It's fine. They were taking like five cards instead of one. Like they wanted

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a whole stack of cards. So they could just throw like skips and. Yeah, one of them just quit.

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They had like 50 cards in their hand. It was insane. And then they'd switch hands with you.

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That's the thing. Oh, I guess there is that one card. 50 cards and they kept having that card

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because they'd find it in those 50 cards and then they'd just switch hands with somebody. It was so,

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it was so stupid. I mean, nothing tests effectively like, Rennopoly and Uno. Yeah,

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she, yeah, they refused to fall. Our oldest refuses to play and not play. She gets so mad.

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There's two games that test families. Yeah, that's, that's a good Thanksgiving though.

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And it's already onto Christmas now. So yeah, time and spice just like it always is. And we have our

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birthday next week. Yeah. Yeah. Our youngest has her birthday. We always have that like comes super

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fast because it's like Thanksgiving that and then Christmas just bam, bam, bam. And the kids get off

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school again in a minute. And just crazy. It's a hustle, hustle. So you don't hear from us.

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It's because we have Christmas programs and all these kids and baby showers and birthdays,

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Christmas. It's a lot. And Christmas parties that we're supposed to go to. And Christmas parties

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that we can't, we can't go to. So yeah, not happy about it, but family life comes first,

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kids come first. And yeah, it'll be, it'll be here before we know it. It'll be gone before we know.

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It'll be gone. Yeah. It'll be January 2nd in like three minutes. But then it goes so slow.

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January, February is the longest month on the calendar. And I'm dreading it. It's already

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so cold in Georgia and everywhere else. It is. It is. Knowing. The other day,

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it was yesterday when I was going to work, it was 28 degrees. Yeah. When I took you to work the other

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day, it was 28 degrees and it was frost and everything else. It was so cold. And then I'm

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looking at everybody up back up north where they're all snow just in their yards and stuff. And I'm

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like, it's like 14 degrees. Okay. I'm just kidding. And it was like 40 and I'm like, oh, I'm going to die.

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But yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess we should get started on the episode. I guess so. We could

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talk all day about the weather, but I think they don't want to hear that. So yeah, the first one

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is going to be common statements to debate. So these are statements that we hear all the time.

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And it's just our thoughts on these different things and why it's wrong or why it's wrong,

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right? Why it's correct. Just our opinions on it. Yes. And you have to agree or disagree. Yeah. Okay.

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First one. Do we have a time limit on this one? No, no, no. That's the rapid fire. This one you

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can take as long as you want. All swinger parties are wild orgees. I wish. I know. I sure wish.

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Only if. That's where I thirst for things. I told them. Definitely. That's my kink. I didn't

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didn't know that. That's my thing. But we love group sex. Love group sex. I mean, it makes sense

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from being exhibitionists and florists. You can do both at the same time. You can watch people

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having sex while you're having sex. And I love having crowds. I love being watched. So I wish

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they were all wild orgees. And usually they usually do. You usually have to have an orgy organizer.

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That's the key. Because swingers are like herding squirrels. Like you can't. Yeah. You can't.

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Yes. All over the place. People disappear. You never see them again. Like it's hierarchy. And

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all over the place. Having organized one of these such orgies, you always invite more people that

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you actually expect because I'd say 30% of them either get distracted and do something else.

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Or they're playing some other answer. That happens so many times. Or they're just tired. Or they go

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back to bed. Or just go to bed or whatever. But yeah. So yeah. It's very rare when you invite

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everybody and they show up. We try to have every single party be an orgy but it doesn't always go

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off that way. We get distracted. And usually it's because we're playing somewhere else and then we

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miss it. Or we're dancing. Something is going on. We're bad about it. When you say herding, we are

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the squirrels. We are squirrels. Everybody is though. I feel like it's not just us. But we are

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really bad at squirreling. All right. Next one. You have to be in an open relationship to be a swinger.

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To be a swinger or do swinging things? To be a swinger. I mean no. No. Because I don't consider

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us in an open relationship. No. That's not true. No. Because our relationship is closed. Yeah.

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Closed relationship. Even though we have sex with other people. But when you say a relationship,

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that's deeper than the physical aspect. Yeah. You threw me off for a second when you said it.

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Because they are one and the same as well. It's like one of those umbrella terms. So some may say

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that it is an open relationship. But I think relationship is a lot heavier than swinging.

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Like you're talking more polyamory and stuff like that. We're talking about relationships.

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We're all looking for a relationship. We've already talked about it before. But we have,

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we call it swally. We're really close and have really good friends. But I don't want to live

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with these people. I would love to live near these people so we can see them more often.

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Maybe in my backyard. That's fine. But I don't think I want to share a dwelling. We can have a

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kid, like a roommate situation maybe. Yeah. I feel like- I don't know. I still feel like

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for us anyway right now. And that might change in the future. Who knows what happens. But

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like as of right now, I don't want, like I want to go to bed with you and have our time and like

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have our space and our stuff. Plus hang, you know, do it with our friends occasionally. Not every

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night. We just need a community with all of our friends. Yeah. As I said, you can live in my

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backyard. That's fine. But I do need like my own living quarters at least. Yeah. I want to be able

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to go outside naked and pick my vegetables and stuff and then wave next door to them. Then just

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everybody is like, yo. And then we have dinners together and you're in there. But like, it's not

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a way to- don't. Like I just, you know what I mean? Yeah. Fine. That's my ideal situation. But okay.

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Next one. Swinging is only for old couples. Older. Not anymore. Not anymore. You're welcome.

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I'm just kidding. But really, I think when we first final watched how the couples were

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older. They were 50s. Yeah. It was very hard to find people of age. Like late 40s in the

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late 50s. Yeah. The age definitely went down. At least in club settings and stuff like event

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settings and stuff that we went to. Well, the events are catered more towards younger.

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Yeah. Now as well. A lot of the events now have like more of like a rave type theme. Yeah.

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Which draws in the 20, 30, 40 year olds. And the younger generation coming into it is definitely

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more open sexually. Yeah. Yeah. They see a lot more. Yeah. Just younger. And also I've noticed like

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talking and like with like people have been the lifestyle for 20 years, 30 years. Those are the

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like DTF couples. Yeah. Oh yeah. Where we want like some type of connection. Yeah. We want the

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community, the commune. And they're like, it's not that serious. And they're like, yeah. They're

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always like, you're not even swingers. Why? Cause I don't want to have sex with everything that

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moves. We get to that all of the time because we're not DTF that we are. We're less swingers

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than they are. Which we are. We're all swingers and we all just practice it differently. Well,

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and I'll say I see DTF in a completely different scope, I guess, as these people. Well, that's

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because I know, but like I'm DTF. Well, yeah. That's what they call it. It's the DTF couple.

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That's just what the term that people use for people that are looking for like a real quick,

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like never known you before real fast. We've done that. I know. It's not for me. It's not like most

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of us have, but I think we've all just want a deeper something kind of tree. It's more like we

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can do that, but it's way more like exciting and fun. And it's my favorite part is the

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foreplay. Flirting in the foreplay and the back and forth and dancing. Yeah. Yeah. So

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we can be both. We can. We can all be both. We can all do it all. Doesn't really matter.

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All right. You cannot be a singer if you're introverted. That is very much so false because

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that's me. I don't want to be an introverted species. You are. Don't do well.

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And those two. But you come out of your shell in those environments. I've come a long way as well.

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I'm definitely not the same person that I was before. But yeah, come a long way. I guess you

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can be introverted. And we have so many friends who are also introverted, freakiest people you'll

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ever meet. Down there. Down for the introverted ones are the freakiest. Yeah. So find me. Like

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they don't just because you're introverted. You have to be comfortable being uncomfortable. And

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once you learn that, you just got to push yourself a little bit outside of your comfort zone.

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Yeah. There's a lot of it. It opens a lot of way to introvert here. For sure. All right.

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Swinging is just for couples and singles don't really fit in. Not true at all. Not true at all.

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They make you think that on social media, a lot of the times the stuff with the single

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content talks a lot about how like there's no space, but there is a space. There's a

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hundred percent space. And they're very much. A lot of people get in a lot. People we know have

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gotten into the lifestyle with like bulls and unicorns like that. Yeah. Like that's a big

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gateway to the lifestyle. We know a lot of people that like regularly found lifestyle as a single

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and then have since gotten in relationships and are exploring lifestyle as couples, which is two

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separate jerks. I think it's a lot less common to be a full-soul couple than it is to be have played

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with singles. We've never played with singles before, which I think is pretty rare. Yeah.

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Most couples have played with singles. I think. Oh, we've played with singles, but it was always

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as a couple. That's what I'm saying. Like we've never played, you know what I mean? Like a lot of

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people play separately and do all of that too. And there's a big, there's a big like space for

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singles and definitely in this lifestyle. And I think that they are very much appreciate. We,

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we appreciate you. We love you. I don't want to throw shade, but also the most people that say that

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are guys that don't understand the other. Like, I'm sorry. Like that's true. But the people are,

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there's no room for single guys. That's not true. There's lots of room for single guys,

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but you also, you have to be charismatic and fun to talk to. That's hard to be a successful

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single person in the lifestyle. It's hard to be a successful. That's a whole different story right

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there. But yeah, it's, but there's space. There's definitely space. There's definitely a need for

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singles. And we love our singles and our couples and everyone. Okay. Everyone in the lifestyle is

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open-minded and accepting. Not true. Unfortunately. We're hoping to get there. That's the goal.

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That's the purpose. That's we're trying to help. Yeah. It's for such a hold hands and things, but

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what we as lifestyles the whole, we claim to be so sexually open and there's still a lot of judgment.

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There's still a lot of body shaming, shit talking. There's still a lot of homophobia

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when it comes to other guys. Like the, you don't see homophobia towards women really

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like bisexual and lesbian are like welcome with open arms boy comes to them bisexual or gay guys.

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Straight woman in lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah. It's not common thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's the straight

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woman is the minority when it comes or they feel like they have to be bi when they're really

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not bi. That was my kind of journey for the first year because I've in my past have played with

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women. I have kissed women. I've always been attracted to certain women. I'm very picky,

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but I'm also very picky with my men. You helped me realize that because I never felt bi. I always

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was like, I enjoyed the times I have been with women, but I have to be attracted to them. And

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so the concept, I never understood that. You're bisexual. Listen to me. You're attracted to every

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woman, just like you're not attracted to every man. He kept reminding me that because he was like,

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I struggled with am I bi or am I straight? And I really felt like a straight from like I was

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straight for the first year. I think for the most part, I felt very straight because I wasn't,

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I didn't feel bi enough. Yeah. And I still struggle with feeling bi enough because I am very

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picky and choosy, but that's like, he always reminds me that you're also like that with men

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and you consider yourself like you love men. Yeah. It's not any different. Yeah. Yeah. And it helps me

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a lot. And I've been able to this last year, really explore women and kind of learn and

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I'm learning and figuring it out and you know, having fun with women and it's been nice to have

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people too. This lifestyle has helped me to definitely like experiment and see if I am or not.

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And now I am finally like, you know, I've been saying like I'm bisexual and I've been owning that.

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Yeah. But yeah, it's definitely- Well, like your dynamic with women is different than it is with men.

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Yeah. And that's what I'm learning. Yeah. But I wouldn't have learned any of that without the

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lifestyle and yeah. Unfortunately, yeah. The original question is open-minded and accepting.

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And we ran on our little trans tangent there, but it's a good- But yeah, unfortunately we're not,

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as a whole, we're not as open-minded and accepting as we say. Unfortunately, it's a lot of the older

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generation are the ones who just don't, they just don't, I find more resistance with them than any

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other. I don't think, so there was this, I don't think it's any type of prejudice or anything like

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that. I think it's just a fear of change. Yeah. As like people. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I do agree.

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Because most of their like anger is because we're not doing it right or we're not enough,

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doing enough of something or it's too much of something. Yeah. And especially like from what

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we see on the social media, on the podcast and stuff like that is they don't see us as

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equals. Like we're less than them because they don't do anything. We're still trying to earn

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our credits. We're trying to earn our street cred. We're trying to earn our street cred as a swinger.

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Like they somehow think that we're profiting off of the lifestyle. Yeah, I get that all the time.

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And I will laugh. You know what song I was singing before when we were making the bed to bake the

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podcast? We work hard for no money. Must work hard for no money. Because we are filming this at

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10 30 PM. We just had a full day and just got the kids to go to bed and finish watching Christmas

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movies and dinner and everything else. And we knew we had to get it done right now because we also

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have a party this weekend, a family friendly party and people we don't know, family members,

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boyfriend that we're meeting for the first time. Yeah. And so we have to deep clean the whole house.

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My sister's coming for the weekend and my kids coming all weekend as well. And all of them are

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staying here and yeah. And so like I wish I wish I wish but I love you guys. It's totally worth it.

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But if you want to donate to the cause and paint that comment. The original thing was that, you

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know, they think that we're trying to profit off their lifestyle and we get told that all day,

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every single day. Yeah. So far, you actually said it is it's not they think it's their lifestyle.

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Yeah. Oh, I did for that reason. Yeah. It's not theirs. It's ours. Like as a whole. Yeah.

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We're yeah, no one owns the lifestyle. There's no Bible. There's no like it's rule. It is what we

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have made it be a good person. Yeah. Be kind. Yeah. Let's be kind and accepting of new things

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and people. And there's gonna be new people. It's a good thing. Good thing. Stop fighting us. Okay.

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Next question. This is going to take forever. Swinging is only about physical pleasure.

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Emotional connections aren't part of it. Say we first can be. It can be. It can be. It can be.

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We first got lost. That's how it was. It was like it was strictly physical. We were very

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duty of couple that we ran around and we were like, yeah, we were just until we just made

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connections with we saw how good it can be. Like they're at this point, they're family. Yeah. Yeah.

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Um, but yeah, they we were that DTF where they were like, what's the difference? What's the

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swing? What's the difference between Polly and swingers? And always our answer was no emotion.

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And I, that's what we said first. No emotion. And I was like, we gotta stop saying that. I was like,

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there's a lot of emotion. There's a lot of feels. There's a lot of chemistry. There's a lot of vibes.

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That's what makes the lifestyle so beautiful. And that's why we love the addictive cocaine effect.

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We call it. It's that like more it's like deeper and it's more exciting when you have those things.

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And we've learned that. But yeah, it was, I hated, I hated that. I hated that answer. No emotion,

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no feelings. No. Yeah. No. And it could be whatever you want it to be. Yeah. It can be,

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but like we enjoy the butterflies and the flirting and the, and there are nights where we just are

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like down to fuck, you know, or just like you're a hot or hot, it hits off and stuff like that.

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You know, but like, yeah, but it's still like for me, even when we do that, like,

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and it does still happen, but like, like you're hot or hot. Like we, we still hit it off in some

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way other than we talk a little like physical ways. Like we always hit it. And they're like,

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has to be about, let's just, let's just go get a room. You want to go? Yeah. Yeah. There still has

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to be a moment where we're getting, you know, to know each other a little bit, a little bit,

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especially for me. I'm the one that you would be down immediately in the moment, but I need

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a little bit of a little bit of, but even in that situation, it's more just performative for me.

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These are, these are the ones that were submitted on our stories from our followers.

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They're not ones that I sought after on my stuff. Okay. Okay. So these are a little bit closer to

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home. Singing is only for people with perfect bodies. That is not true. I am, and you are,

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the definition of that because we're singers and we do not have perfect bodies.

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Oh, we do it. You have, I think you have a perfect body.

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If I told you you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

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But really, I think you do. I think you have a perfect body too, but I'm just saying,

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but in society, the perfect body, you're the perfect body for me. I love that body. And

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it's perfect for me, but I'm saying society's standards. Now there are women that have the

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perfect bodies. Like the societal perfect body. But you don't have to have that. But you don't

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have to have it at all. That's definitely not required. No. All right. Couples who swing

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can't take the relationship seriously. True. That is true. Why would you do that? Why would

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you take it seriously? That's a hundred percent serious. We have, you've never met more people

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more serious about marriage. Yeah. Period. Yeah. I don't care. No, they, we have always been

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like pretty solid on our belief that marriage is a big fucking deal. It's the biggest deal.

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I actually just had this conversation yesterday with a lady at work. I do know. Because she was

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asking me about my like professional past. And I mentioned how I used to work a lot. Yeah. Oh yeah.

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And she's like, oh, so you were like on the edge of divorce. I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no.

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You misunderstood that. Like I just worked a lot and it was frustrating for both of us because I

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was at home. No. She's like, oh, she's like, you, I'm like, that's a curse word in our house. Oh yeah.

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We don't, we don't say that word. We always have said that. We don't say that. She's like, oh,

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she's like, and then she's like, okay, I get it now. But I'm like, yeah, I just had that conversation

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with a lady at work. Like there's never been more thing, we've ever been serious than our marriage

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and we hold that very, very dear to our hearts. Like our marriage is our number one purpose,

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everything. That's how, I mean, we say it as a joke a lot of times, but it's like when we see

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something with like a red flag with another couple, it's a them thing. This is an us thing.

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And that's, and that is a, basically a way to protect our relationship. Cause if we got involved,

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it could be twisted and crazy stuff happens. It could affect our relationship emotionally.

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Yeah. So that's kind of one of our, we've always been very much like if our marriage is affected

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in a negative way and we've been good since at that, since we were 21, like 22 years old,

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22 years old, like we, if it makes us feel any sort of certain way and it interferes with our

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marriage and our relationship, shut it down. And we're don't want to part of that. And we've always

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been very serious. So we do. That is not true. And then, okay, we've got, you have to go to

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swing your clubs to be part of the life as well. Nope. Now there are so many people who have never

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been to a seraphim and they've been lifestyle for 20 years, 30 years, never been to a club.

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I remember, it was a couple of years ago now, but we were talking to a couple and they,

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we've been in lifestyle for 20 years or so. They were older couple and they had just went to secrets

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for the first time. Yeah. There's a lot that you do privately, you know, at home and dates,

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like locally and like friends and more of the secret, like really discrete vibes. And like you

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were saying, like bring bulls to their homes and unicorns to their homes and stuff, like a very

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personal thing in the lifestyle. And they just never been to clubs or resorts or events or,

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you know, and it's not, it's, that's not everybody's. No, no. Yeah. Oh, like there are,

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we know. We've heard so many people that have tried different like clubs or secrets or events

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and I'm just like, it's just not, we just can't. It's just, we went home. Yeah. We didn't like it

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there. I can't talk. It's just not every couple's cup of tea, but like, you know, some people just

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want to sit outside by a fire and just, you know, get, you know, talk to a couple, just

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two on two or one, you know, two on one or whatever one and rather do it that way than go to these big

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to do's and stuff. And, you know, like everything, like we said, it can be literally whatever you

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want it to be. And so, yeah, I feel like you've said that before. This one was part of my video.

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I put out today. Yeah. So I have stuff to say that I don't, I'm not nobody, you know, not a lot of

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people agree with me, but you should never bring your kids into the conversation about swinging

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into a conversation about swinging. So our opinion on that is maybe it's because we were outed and we

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had no choice, but to bring those conversations. I think it's so much more nonchalant for us and

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more of like, this is how like, cause we're on the other side of it. I think maybe I think people,

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cause it's part of this negative stigma of the lifestyle, cause they automatically connected

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with sex children and then sex and children don't go together. So they automatically assume if you're

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talking about this with your child, it's an inappropriate conversation, which isn't the fact.

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No. Like when we had this conversation with our kids, we talked to them about different

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late relationship dynamics. I love differently people, you know, people go on dates with other

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people. It depends on their age and what their age is. It's appropriate or you know what I mean?

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Like any doesn't, we've never once been like, oh yeah, we participate in orgies in these playrooms

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that they like, we've never, they don't know what happens. We've never talked about, they think

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we're hanging out with our friends. Like that's to them, it's just hanging out with our friends

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and going on dates together is like going out to dinner with another couple. Like it's not,

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like we're friends, like it's not. Or if we're actually hosting, like hosts said it a bit,

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they like, oh, you got to work this weekend. Yeah, it's like a work. It's like, yeah, yeah.

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Cause yeah, for hosting for, cause if we're hosting, we're not just going to party.

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And they understand our mission and they understand, like there's ways to,

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if you would like to have the, you know, if you would like to have that conversation with your

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kids and you want to be a hundred percent out and open with everyone, if that's what you want to do,

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there are ways to do it without it being so negative all the time.

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We're like, we're fortunate enough where we are already

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training our children to be open minded and accepting people. But

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since we had to have those conversations with our kids, it's opened the door for other

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conversations like sexuality. And like we had a whole conversation at the dinner table one night

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about bisexuality and what that actually means. And, yeah, cause he was curious. He, he genuinely

365
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was a teenage boy that was just curious what that means. Cause he was a teenager,

366
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,160
a teenage boy that was just curious what that means. Cause he's heard it before.

367
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:23,040
And so I am in school a hundred percent believer of if they're old enough to ask the question,

368
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,440
there's a age appropriate way to answer it and give them.

369
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,640
We never like brought up sex in that explanation.

370
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,560
None of our stuff has ever been about sex with people.

371
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,520
It's not sexualized.

372
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,240
There's ways to have people understand them, understand that, you know,

373
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:44,480
we just live life a little bit differently and that's okay. It's okay to live a different life

374
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:51,680
than other people. And it's okay to do stuff that's not normal and seen as normal. And that's all

375
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,600
right. There's ways that you can bring them. And if you don't want to, you don't have to.

376
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,680
It's not. Again, it's your family, your children, your life.

377
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:06,800
I think back of when we were our kids' ages and I didn't want to know about my parent's sex life.

378
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,400
No. Yeah.

379
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,560
And then you become like a teenager, like, you know, they have sex, but you still don't want to

380
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:26,240
know about it. So why was it any different if we like what we do in private consensually with other

381
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,640
consenting adults? Why would our care or kids care about?

382
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,920
Then the fact that people always constantly just throw kids when they talk about sex.

383
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,520
It's the first thing they throw out.

384
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,160
Children, children. I'm like, it's kind of weird.

385
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:44,480
I don't know. I could go on for days about that one. It's a whole thing. And, you know,

386
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,040
like, I just don't think that kids see pineapples and stuff and think that, oh,

387
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,680
I just don't. They see a pineapple. Like, I don't know. Nobody's paying.

388
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,600
There's so many symbols that are in this world.

389
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,840
And we talked about this because you didn't put out the video you wanted to put out. You put out

390
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,440
a second video saying, you know what, I'm not going to share my opinion.

391
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,480
Yeah, this was the original video. I know what I talked about.

392
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,520
You made a good point in that first video that you didn't share. And you said

393
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:22,320
it opens, if they can ask a question about that pineapple and why it's on there, there's

394
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,200
opportunity there to teach.

395
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:33,040
About children, about different relationships and dynamics and different, just humans in general.

396
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,080
Like it could have been, it could be as easy as an age.

397
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:42,320
Oh, that's a symbol for couples that are non-monogamous or non-monogamous.

398
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,640
Yeah. Or they enjoy other couples.

399
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,760
Like it doesn't have to be.

400
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Yeah, it doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be about sex.

401
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,800
I mean, you got to throw sex in there and automatically think we're telling people about,

402
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,840
like, going doggy on some neighbor guy. Like, it's just not, that's not the conversation people

403
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,640
are having with their kids. I promise. I really, I promise you that's not how that conversation is

404
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:10,000
going. And, but yeah. Okay. Next one. Because we could keep talking about that for a whole episode.

405
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,920
Okay. Couples get into swinging because they don't love each other.

406
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,280
We already answered that one.

407
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,800
Have you met us before? Not true.

408
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,560
Actually, it's a bigger turn on. We can tell the couple love each other.

409
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:34,240
Or like obsessed with each other. Like, yeah, it's definitely a hot,

410
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,600
takes their hot level like a ton. Yeah.

411
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,480
Cause the biggest hurdle for us in the lifestyle is couples that,

412
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,960
and I'll say that all the time, like they're not solid. I'll go up to him when I meet couples.

413
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,280
And like if I do, especially my single things, I've told him I've reported back to him when he

414
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,080
was at events and stuff and been like, stay away from them. They're not solid. And that's all he

415
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:02,240
needs to know. They're not good. They're not good. Like if I see any like sign, I'm just like,

416
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:07,600
just be careful. Cause I don't think they're good. You can usually tell if there's something

417
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:16,000
going on. And you can see within the relationships and it's like, be careful. Be careful.

418
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,240
Cause they're, we're not going to stop talking to you, but also, we can still be swimmers.

419
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:25,520
We're good at that. We can still navigate that, but we don't want to, we don't have to.

420
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,680
And so we've just stopped. We used to do that.

421
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,360
Well I'm not even saying that being swinger, but like we can still be friends with them,

422
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,840
but there won't be going past that.

423
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:41,200
Yeah. That too. But we can also, we can also ignore it for a night. Sometimes.

424
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,600
We used to, I'm not saying any more of my, I always run up to them and be like, no,

425
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,760
let's just stop. Cause we've learned since then.

426
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,520
It creates more problems than it's worth.

427
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,520
It's not worth it. It's not worth it. You can go find another couple that you can have a great

428
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,560
night with and not have to tip toe or feel weird or.

429
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,760
Have weird moments.

430
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,880
Weird. Yeah. It doesn't have to be weird. All, you know.

431
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,000
You don't have to deal with.

432
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,080
There's too many people out there.

433
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,440
Them freaking out in the middle.

434
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,480
Too many other options.

435
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,440
Of activity.

436
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:14,480
We used to really try really hard to like help, help. That was the worst. Like help each other out.

437
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,520
Remember that? Oh my gosh. When there was marriages that were just not good or not even marriages.

438
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,320
They were just together.

439
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:20,880
Not a problem.

440
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:28,160
Not good. And they'd be like, so he did this and that. I'm like, yeah, you guys, this is way to a

441
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:34,320
vellum, vanilla conversation in a swinger position and I don't like it. We're going to not do that.

442
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,040
Okay. These now this is, oh, no, no, no, no. One more question. One more question from a father

443
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,640
or statement from a father. The lifestyle is too expensive. It's three times as expensive

444
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,480
for single males versus females also. Yes.

445
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,480
That is true. Both things are true.

446
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:57,360
Yes. One, there are less expensive ways to export a lifestyle. You don't have to go,

447
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,840
you don't have to drop $1,200 for a weekend. Just go to a hotel takeover.

448
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,440
You don't have to do that.

449
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:12,480
Go on a $5,000 cruise or, you know, go to Jamaica. You'll have to do all these big

450
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,920
events that are more pretty expensive. They get expensive.

451
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:16,480
So expensive.

452
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,640
Between hotels and event tickets and traveling, travel.

453
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,440
Lights.

454
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,000
Yeah.

455
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:22,640
Costumes.

456
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,240
I'm not going to say it's not expensive because it is.

457
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,000
It's very expensive.

458
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,840
But it doesn't have to be. You can literally find your local community

459
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,000
and go out to dinner.

460
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,320
Once you start finding your people, you can do whatever and just hang out in your house

461
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,960
or at a hotel or Airbnb and just watch movies all night. It doesn't have to be

462
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,520
that expensive. And actually, those are usually what we prefer those times.

463
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:55,520
This past year or so, we've just decided to do a lot less events and the traveling

464
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:01,520
and the frivolous lifestyle. And we've kind of really backed it back home to trapeze

465
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:08,960
and local things and close friends and couples that we know locally. And I've enjoyed it.

466
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:15,920
It's again that connection and that vibe, chemistry. You get more of that when you do stuff at home.

467
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,880
But also the second part of that is it is three times more expensive for a single male.

468
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,680
And it is.

469
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,480
There's couples.

470
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,040
Yes.

471
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:30,960
Now there are certain companies, groups that have a set price for everyone per person.

472
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:36,880
And I was up to dark is a very big advocate for single males. And they definitely are

473
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:42,640
pushing towards like in like how they do their tickets. It's literally this price per person.

474
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,160
As it's not.

475
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,640
And I understand why I get those sides. I do.

476
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,440
Like you don't want to over saturate a party with a whole bunch of single guys.

477
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,000
Yeah.

478
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:01,600
And so they upcharge this to weed out the people that are.

479
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,360
I don't know what the right word for it is.

480
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:12,720
As ethical and not really. And a lot of them you'll find that not a lot of them, but I guess,

481
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:17,680
I don't know, trapeze on Fridays will really show you like there's a lot of not lifestyle

482
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,600
people that come there just to get laid.

483
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,720
So there's a lot of navigating that out.

484
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,720
But trapeze is one of those places that charges single men more.

485
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,720
So I don't I also don't think I don't understand.

486
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:35,680
Yeah, the events like the scale of that would be way, way bigger.

487
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:44,960
Like Secrets is a place that does that. Like I want to say membership for a month for a single male is like.

488
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:54,240
Pretty much everyone, every thing that we've ever been to or attended has way more priced tickets.

489
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,160
And we've been to events too that are there are no singles allowed period.

490
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,560
Oh yeah. We've been to a couple of flashes like that.

491
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,640
Yes, Blas is a couples only event.

492
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,240
Yeah, there are quite a few couples.

493
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,880
But even them, they're they're offering like throuple packages to fight that now.

494
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,040
Yeah, so we're getting there. We are like everybody's.

495
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,680
Somebody's got to start it, you know, somebody's got to, you know, and I do believe in

496
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:21,280
inclusivity and like not excluding people based on, you know, and so I do.

497
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,040
It's a fine line.

498
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,080
I know I get it.

499
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,880
And it's like you want to because you want to protect the masses.

500
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,960
You don't want shady people just to walk in like a by a 50 dollar ticket and come in.

501
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:45,200
But 90 percent of the single guys are more ethical than a guy you're going to be at a bar.

502
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,680
I know, I know, I know. So yeah.

503
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,840
And I think a lot of it was that we've always been taught single males were horrible things.

504
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:58,480
They also they're also fighting against even a harsher stigma than the swingers in general.

505
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,680
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

506
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,720
And you're just constantly hearing like how horrible single males are and all the time.

507
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,080
It's like you have to retrain yourself.

508
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,680
Like once you start actually meeting real lifestyle, single males.

509
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:09,280
Yeah.

510
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,800
More bad experiences with single females.

511
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,440
Oh, for sure.

512
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,200
I have said that single males.

513
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Day one.

514
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,040
Like day one.

515
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,080
Every single guy I've talked to in the lifestyle has been respectful.

516
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,520
They say we get there and talk about whatever.

517
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:34,240
And if we like and they'll like to you guys, are you do you like single guys or like West

518
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,080
Order McFarland?

519
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:36,800
Prefer.

520
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,640
No proposition.

521
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,840
Oh, there we go.

522
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:44,640
And if we say no, they're like, oh, OK, no problem.

523
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,800
Yeah. Let me know if you change your mind.

524
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:47,440
Yeah.

525
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:48,640
If you need me.

526
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,880
No, but God forbid.

527
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,560
Yeah. Yeah, we've had some not so great experience.

528
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,800
Or most single women.

529
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,240
I don't want to say most because that's not true.

530
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:08,240
But a lot of single women that we've met don't understand the boundaries that single males.

531
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,720
They think that they have this like princess mentality where I'm not saying all of them,

532
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:20,160
but we have run into a lot of them that think that they should be held above everybody else.

533
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,560
And it's kind of like I don't have to have rules.

534
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:22,960
Let's be honest.

535
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,600
I do what I want.

536
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,480
Because a lot of couples only are looking for single females.

537
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:26,800
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538
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Our last segment, our final segment is going to be rapid fire questions.

550
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,320
We have to talk for 30 seconds about whatever these misconceptions or myths or statements

551
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,400
or whatever you have to fill a whole 30 seconds with an argument.

552
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,680
But I feel like it'll be all right.

553
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,800
About you just have to respond to why it is not true or why it is true or anything.

554
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,080
You have to talk for 30 whole seconds.

555
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,440
Say it's the timer.

556
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,160
I got it.

557
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:26,480
All right.

558
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:27,520
First one.

559
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:28,400
Hold on.

560
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,920
I got an hour and 30 seconds.

561
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,640
We don't want to do that.

562
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:31,120
Don't do that.

563
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:31,600
Okay.

564
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,480
None of it.

565
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:32,800
All right.

566
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,280
Swinging is the same as cheating.

567
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:36,800
Go.

568
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:37,920
No.

569
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:40,240
Done.

570
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:41,040
No, I'm just kidding.

571
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,000
Swinging is the exact opposite of cheating.

572
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,240
Actually, there's cheating.

573
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,000
You're hiding things from your partner.

574
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,520
You're being dishonest, disloyal.

575
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,000
Is that even a word?

576
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,640
Disloyal.

577
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,120
But deceptive.

578
00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:59,840
Deceptive.

579
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:01,680
All the D's.

580
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,000
Yeah.

581
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:02,640
All the D's.

582
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,200
But most importantly, you're.

583
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:08,400
Done.

584
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,240
Out of time.

585
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,560
To we'll never know.

586
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:14,800
But you did good.

587
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,400
You did.

588
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,200
You have to tune in later for this.

589
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,640
Have you finished that statement?

590
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:20,880
Okay.

591
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,080
Number two.

592
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,000
Number two?

593
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:24,240
Yes.

594
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:25,760
Okay.

595
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:26,160
Ready?

596
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,480
Swingers are heeding this with no morals.

597
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,200
It sounds like my Instagram.

598
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,280
Every single comment I get told that I have no morals.

599
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,520
And I say to that, yes, I do.

600
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:46,240
Like, why does you have sex with have anything to do with my morals?

601
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:50,720
Morals are very personal, like deep inside thing.

602
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,600
It has nothing to do with my sex life.

603
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,320
And those are two.

604
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,720
That's I hate that.

605
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:57,920
I hate that so much.

606
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,360
No dignity, no morals, no respect or anything.

607
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,320
You're indignant.

608
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,400
No, I'm very moral person.

609
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,120
Oh, that's it.

610
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,360
Okay.

611
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,160
All right.

612
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,720
Ready?

613
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,920
You should always inform your partner about every thought you have during a swap.

614
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:18,560
Every thought?

615
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:19,200
Every thought.

616
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,240
No, no.

617
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,760
Because I have some intrusive thoughts.

618
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,600
Now you mean to.

619
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:24,960
Now I mean to.

620
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,600
Like I have intrusive thoughts all day.

621
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:30,240
I want to know.

622
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:31,840
That's true.

623
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:32,640
It's just who you are.

624
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,200
They can't be repeated.

625
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:44,640
Like what goes on in my brain sometimes is just a game I play with myself.

626
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,040
But it's like, what if?

627
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,880
All right, you're done out of time.

628
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:59,440
But that being said, I know I'm past 30 seconds, but if it's something that I feel passionate about,

629
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,080
and then yes, but not every thought.

630
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,920
Every thought.

631
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:06,240
Same.

632
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,680
In my brain, I couldn't even tell you.

633
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:17,840
I mean, if I said everything or came up with me, some of those thoughts would be like, crap.

634
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,080
No, there's a lot of it.

635
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,320
I have said that out loud before, but.

636
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:23,920
All right.

637
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,720
Number four.

638
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:25,840
Number four.

639
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,160
All right.

640
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,040
The lifestyle is just a fad and it will die out.

641
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,440
The lifestyle is thriving and growing by the minute.

642
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,320
I was just reading an article today about how five, it was 4% of the Americans,

643
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:46,560
American adults participate in some form of nominogamy and now it's up to 5%.

644
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:52,000
And that's just very small, tiny little studies and think how many people are discrete

645
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,240
and no one knows about the lifestyle.

646
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:57,920
They say one in every four people that you meet.

647
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,280
Yeah, have explored the lifestyles.

648
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,480
I think that definitely, definitely is growing.

649
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,280
Oh, 100%.

650
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,280
Not going to sex isn't going away.

651
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,080
All right.

652
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:09,840
Ready?

653
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:10,480
I'm ready.

654
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,040
Next.

655
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:11,520
Okay.

656
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,880
Swinging can help improve communication in a relationship.

657
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,560
110%.

658
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,720
Like can, should.

659
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,480
Like it's not like you can't do it.

660
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,000
It should, like it's not, there's no can it, it should.

661
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,760
Like if you're, we talk about how you do it your own way,

662
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:42,000
but if in my opinion, the correct way to do less is talking to your partner.

663
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:50,880
Like if you're not talking to your partner about your experience, then why are you doing it?

664
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:52,640
Not a very good experience.

665
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:53,920
Exactly.

666
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:54,420
You're good.

667
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:54,920
I see.

668
00:53:56,020 --> 00:53:56,660
All right.

669
00:53:56,660 --> 00:53:58,420
That was a good 32nd one actually.

670
00:53:59,940 --> 00:54:00,420
All right.

671
00:54:01,220 --> 00:54:02,420
I think they've all been pretty good.

672
00:54:04,740 --> 00:54:05,700
Good swingers.

673
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:08,420
I never experienced jealousy.

674
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:09,620
Good swingers again.

675
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:10,900
Back with this good swingers.

676
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:18,340
We have a different level of what swinger we are, but that's not true at all.

677
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:21,380
Like it's okay to experience jealousy.

678
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:26,340
Jealousy is not like a bend all be all to being a swinger.

679
00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:29,220
If you have jealousy, it doesn't mean that you're not good at the lifestyle

680
00:54:29,220 --> 00:54:30,660
or that you're not doing it correctly.

681
00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:31,860
It means that you're a human.

682
00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:38,980
And most of us have been married to our person for a minute or longer like us.

683
00:54:38,980 --> 00:54:40,820
And it's just different.

684
00:54:40,820 --> 00:54:41,940
And yeah.

685
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:42,660
Yeah.

686
00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:44,180
Motions happen.

687
00:54:44,180 --> 00:54:46,420
It's a basic human emotion.

688
00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:50,740
Like it's, it boils down to your basic human emotion.

689
00:54:50,740 --> 00:54:51,620
It's what you do.

690
00:54:51,620 --> 00:54:53,780
It's how you deal with it.

691
00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:55,220
We suck at 30 seconds.

692
00:54:55,220 --> 00:54:55,620
I know.

693
00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:56,740
Okay.

694
00:54:56,740 --> 00:54:57,700
I'm a slow talker.

695
00:54:58,580 --> 00:54:59,140
All right.

696
00:54:59,140 --> 00:55:02,740
You always, you actually have mentioned that in your first time.

697
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:06,340
All right.

698
00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:10,740
The swingers are more likely to get STDs than monogamous people.

699
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:20,100
No, we're, I'd say, yes, we have sex more often than monogamous people, I would say,

700
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:25,460
but we practice safe sex almost 100%.

701
00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:28,100
Like I want to say 100%.

702
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:36,580
But there are instances where people are exclusive with other couples that don't use protection.

703
00:55:36,580 --> 00:55:38,820
But they're usually tested.

704
00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:44,660
But they're also, I was getting ready to say is they're also getting regularly tested to

705
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:47,380
make sure their other partners are safe.

706
00:55:47,380 --> 00:55:55,380
Where monogamous couples, what's the percentage of monogamous couples that experience infidelity

707
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:56,740
or commit infidelity?

708
00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:58,180
How many times?

709
00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:59,220
Are they having?

710
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:03,300
How many times you went to a bar, pick up a girl and you asked for their STD testing

711
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:05,060
and they hand it to you.

712
00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:05,620
Exactly.

713
00:56:05,620 --> 00:56:07,780
And had condoms in her pocket.

714
00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:09,780
Yeah.

715
00:56:09,780 --> 00:56:11,060
Or her husband's pocket.

716
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:11,940
Her husband's pocket.

717
00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:12,580
I thought we do.

718
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:14,500
But you know what I mean.

719
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:15,620
You never have pockets.

720
00:56:16,180 --> 00:56:17,220
You know what I mean.

721
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:19,380
Or my pouch that's in my back pocket.

722
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:21,700
All right.

723
00:56:22,420 --> 00:56:24,260
They've already really talked about that one.

724
00:56:24,260 --> 00:56:24,980
Just peeked at it.

725
00:56:24,980 --> 00:56:26,180
We haven't seen any of these.

726
00:56:26,180 --> 00:56:28,900
We're just reading them as it goes.

727
00:56:30,020 --> 00:56:33,300
Swinging requires strict rules and boundaries.

728
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:39,060
I've said it a million times, especially this episode, swinging can be whatever you

729
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:40,980
want it to be.

730
00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:46,900
If you want to have 400 boundaries and rules and have, you know, contracts that you need

731
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:54,340
people to sign, or if you have one boundary or no boundaries, you can do whatever you

732
00:56:54,340 --> 00:56:55,380
want to do.

733
00:56:55,380 --> 00:57:00,580
And it's good to have a set of boundaries and limits and stuff because there is guarantee

734
00:57:00,580 --> 00:57:03,540
there's something you're not into or you don't want to do.

735
00:57:03,540 --> 00:57:06,340
And I promise, but you don't have to.

736
00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:10,820
You can do whatever you want it to be or don't want it to be for the millionth time.

737
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:12,020
For the millionth time.

738
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:12,500
Okay.

739
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:14,980
Okay.

740
00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:16,500
All right.

741
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:19,380
You must have a membership to be in the lifestyle.

742
00:57:20,260 --> 00:57:20,980
100%.

743
00:57:20,980 --> 00:57:22,980
We have so many memberships.

744
00:57:22,980 --> 00:57:26,980
I'm selling membership cards on Cash Happened.

745
00:57:26,980 --> 00:57:28,980
We have so many memberships.

746
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:30,980
We have so many memberships.

747
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:32,980
We have memberships all over the country.

748
00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:34,980
There's so many different things.

749
00:57:34,980 --> 00:57:36,980
Because yes, no, you do.

750
00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:40,980
I want to start a national swingers club.

751
00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:42,980
We have a lot of membership cards.

752
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:44,980
We should write the Bible for it.

753
00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:46,980
Do it already.

754
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:48,980
So we can...

755
00:57:48,980 --> 00:57:50,980
This is the law.

756
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:52,980
No.

757
00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:56,980
So in that respect, I'm out of 30 seconds.

758
00:57:56,980 --> 00:57:58,980
But...

759
00:57:58,980 --> 00:58:04,980
A lot of swingers clubs and resorts require membership for entry.

760
00:58:04,980 --> 00:58:05,980
We will say that.

761
00:58:05,980 --> 00:58:08,980
But you do not have to have a membership to be a swinger.

762
00:58:08,980 --> 00:58:10,980
Not to be a swinger.

763
00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:14,980
Just to go to swinger things for the most part you do.

764
00:58:14,980 --> 00:58:16,980
But not to be a swinger.

765
00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:18,980
No.

766
00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:20,980
All right.

767
00:58:20,980 --> 00:58:22,980
Last and final question.

768
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:24,980
Go on ahead.

769
00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:28,980
Do you prefer to be a swinger or open to same-sex encounters?

770
00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:30,980
Go.

771
00:58:30,980 --> 00:58:32,980
Not true.

772
00:58:32,980 --> 00:58:36,980
We kind of talked about this earlier how I felt like at the beginning I wasn't bi.

773
00:58:36,980 --> 00:58:38,980
So I felt out of place.

774
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:40,980
And I felt kind of weird.

775
00:58:40,980 --> 00:58:44,980
Because it did feel like every female that I met was bisexual.

776
00:58:44,980 --> 00:58:48,980
It's very rare to find just straight women.

777
00:58:48,980 --> 00:58:50,980
But no, that's not true.

778
00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:56,980
You're just fun and still got to like...as long as you're comfortable with yourself.

779
00:58:56,980 --> 00:58:58,980
You can have fun.

780
00:58:58,980 --> 00:59:00,980
I'm straight.

781
00:59:00,980 --> 00:59:02,980
And you're straight.

782
00:59:02,980 --> 00:59:14,980
There are also bi-curious, bisexual, and bi-flexible guys in the lifestyle that we've met.

783
00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:16,980
And bi-comfortable.

784
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:20,980
On the spectrum, like exploring.

785
00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:22,980
Experimenting.

786
00:59:22,980 --> 00:59:24,980
But you don't have to.

787
00:59:24,980 --> 00:59:26,980
It's not a requirement.

788
00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:28,980
No.

789
00:59:28,980 --> 00:59:30,980
And I mean, you should be open to it.

790
00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:32,980
Have fun.

791
00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:34,980
I think you should be open to same-sex scenarios.

792
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:36,980
To me.

793
00:59:36,980 --> 00:59:38,980
To encounters.

794
00:59:38,980 --> 00:59:44,980
Now I feel like you have to be comfortable with another naked guy in the same room as you.

795
00:59:44,980 --> 00:59:46,980
Yes. You have to be secure in your manhood to some extent.

796
00:59:46,980 --> 00:59:54,980
Because if you're not, we know people who aren't and struggle with their own self.

797
00:59:54,980 --> 00:59:56,980
And they're very self-conscious.

798
00:59:56,980 --> 01:00:00,980
Not self-conscious, but I guess so.

799
01:00:00,980 --> 01:00:02,980
They're just not secure in their selves.

800
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:04,980
And they get really weirded out by other men.

801
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:06,980
And it's a them thing.

802
01:00:06,980 --> 01:00:08,980
That's what's the biggest thing.

803
01:00:08,980 --> 01:00:10,980
It's a them thing.

804
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:16,980
They're not comfortable in their own skin enough and they're always comparing themselves to other people.

805
01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:18,980
So I think you should be open to anything.

806
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:20,980
But you don't have to be.

807
01:00:20,980 --> 01:00:22,980
You don't have to be.

808
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:24,980
I think you should be cool.

809
01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:28,980
And if it's not for you, don't yuck someone's yum.

810
01:00:28,980 --> 01:00:30,980
You know, that's what they say.

811
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:32,980
I think.

812
01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:34,980
I don't think I've ever heard that one before.

813
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:36,980
Really? Don't yuck someone's yum.

814
01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:38,980
That's very common.

815
01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:40,980
You just come up with fric.

816
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:42,980
That's a good one.

817
01:00:42,980 --> 01:00:44,980
Yes.

818
01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:46,980
I did.

819
01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:48,980
I did that.

820
01:00:48,980 --> 01:00:50,980
Yeah, because I'm cool and hip.

821
01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:52,980
But you know what, guys?

822
01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:56,980
This is a way longer episode than we ever planned it to be.

823
01:00:56,980 --> 01:01:00,980
And so we still have over an hour.

824
01:01:00,980 --> 01:01:02,980
Another couple of segments left.

825
01:01:02,980 --> 01:01:04,980
And there is no way we're going to squeeze that into an hour.

826
01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:06,980
So we don't even have commercials or any editing.

827
01:01:06,980 --> 01:01:08,980
But it's going to be over an hour, I believe.

828
01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:14,980
So unfortunately, but fortunately, we will continue this.

829
01:01:14,980 --> 01:01:18,980
I mean, we'll do a whole other episode and we will finish out our statements.

830
01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:20,980
Yeah, we'll definitely have to add these.

831
01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:22,980
Even if it's not the same subject.

832
01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:24,980
And the next one's were funny ones, too.

833
01:01:24,980 --> 01:01:26,980
It was a whole funny, funny.

834
01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:30,980
I feel like we can throw these at the end of an episode or something just for fun.

835
01:01:30,980 --> 01:01:34,980
I think this episode was really good and gets our opinions up.

836
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:38,980
And it kind of gets people to know where we stand and what we believe in.

837
01:01:38,980 --> 01:01:40,980
And introduces what we kind of...

838
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:42,980
Yeah, it gives them something to think about.

839
01:01:42,980 --> 01:01:44,980
Yeah, maybe hopefully.

840
01:01:44,980 --> 01:01:46,980
Oh, they have a good point.

841
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:48,980
But I also don't...

842
01:01:48,980 --> 01:01:50,980
You don't have to feel the same way.

843
01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:52,980
No, disagree. Go on, disagree. Talk about it.

844
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:58,980
We want you guys to sit together with your person or your people and talk about this stuff.

845
01:01:58,980 --> 01:02:00,980
And tell them that you don't agree with what I said.

846
01:02:00,980 --> 01:02:02,980
This is the great debate episode.

847
01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:08,980
Yeah, we would like to spark some conversation and make sure that you leave us, you know.

848
01:02:08,980 --> 01:02:12,980
And you know what? It's okay to agree to disagree.

849
01:02:12,980 --> 01:02:14,980
Okay, we're all different people.

850
01:02:14,980 --> 01:02:16,980
We don't have to see eye to eye to be friends.

851
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:18,980
Just be kind and be nice and be open.

852
01:02:18,980 --> 01:02:22,980
That's literally what the lifestyle is supposed to be.

853
01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:26,980
Is kind and open-minded and amazing, wonderful.

854
01:02:26,980 --> 01:02:28,980
It just gets...

855
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:32,980
That's what attracted us to this lifestyle to begin with.

856
01:02:32,980 --> 01:02:34,980
Why we love it. That's why we're here.

857
01:02:34,980 --> 01:02:36,980
That's why we do a podcast.

858
01:02:36,980 --> 01:02:38,980
That's why we are here.

859
01:02:38,980 --> 01:02:40,980
It is just for you guys.

860
01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:42,980
Our love for the lifestyle.

861
01:02:42,980 --> 01:02:46,980
And we love that you're all different and you all have different ways to do the lifestyle.

862
01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:50,980
And you all have different relationship dynamics and different stories.

863
01:02:50,980 --> 01:02:52,980
And you're all different people.

864
01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:54,980
And we love that.

865
01:02:54,980 --> 01:02:56,980
And we don't mind having a different opinion than everybody else.

866
01:02:56,980 --> 01:02:58,980
We mean be nice to each other.

867
01:02:58,980 --> 01:03:00,980
We love each other. And we love you.

868
01:03:00,980 --> 01:03:02,980
We appreciate you for being here.

869
01:03:02,980 --> 01:03:04,980
And yeah, we will have to wrap this up.

870
01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:06,980
Yeah.

871
01:03:06,980 --> 01:03:08,980
Until next week.

872
01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:10,980
We're gonna have to stay tuned for another part.

873
01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:12,980
For part two.

874
01:03:12,980 --> 01:03:14,980
The Great Debate.

875
01:03:14,980 --> 01:03:16,980
If you don't like it, tell us and then we won't even bother.

876
01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:18,980
Please.

877
01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:20,980
But yeah, I plan on... I think it was good.

878
01:03:20,980 --> 01:03:22,980
I think it was too.

879
01:03:22,980 --> 01:03:24,980
I think it was a good one.

880
01:03:24,980 --> 01:03:26,980
Not that serious.

881
01:03:26,980 --> 01:03:28,980
Don't make it weird.

882
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:54,980
We love you guys. Bye.