Hi, I'm Jim. Welcome to the Unbound Performance Podcast, where we explore the world of sports
and performance mindset training. And I'm Caroline. Each week, we talk about the strategies,
habits, and mental framework that help us to excel. Let's get into today's episode.
Yeah, I had lunch last week with a friend of mine, and her and her husband are developing this online
service called College Hound. And it's to help parents and high school students kind of navigate
the whole process of college admissions, what to look for, things like that. And so she was asking
me about the possibility of doing some things for non-athlete clientele. And you're like, hell yeah.
Well, it was, it's a seamless thing, because I told her it doesn't matter what it is you're trying to
be good at, or if it has to do with just how to deal with stress or how to manage your thoughts.
So your health is better. All of it. Like there's, there's just helpful ways to think and
that produces more helpful emotions, more helpful behaviors. It doesn't matter whether you're
an Olympic athlete or a concert pianist or brain surgeon, or a school teacher or whatever.
And it definitely transcends vocation. Like it's just part of being a better person. You get to maybe
choose more helpful thoughts. So basically talking about how you can be a professional athlete, you
can be a public speaker, you can be a concert pianist, and are all situations where having this,
these skills, these mindset skills are beneficial. Well, in any, I mean, whether it's performance
related or it can be life performance as a husband, father, friend, any way that we wind
up leaving our thoughts to chance, just trusting that we'll react wonderfully. That's less than
optimal approach, because we have a negativity bias and we've talked about that the past, where
we'll say things to ourselves that are really unhelpful, or we'll perceive situations in a
really unhelpful way and react accordingly, as opposed to being able to take a pause, take a breath.
The breath is a secret weapon across the board all day long. Everything you're doing,
I don't care if you're standing in line at the grocery store, you want to like, calm down,
you know, dealing with kids, you want to keep calm, or, you know, if you're going to be performing,
right, you know, giving a speech or, you know, game that day, doesn't matter. Well, and we talked
last week in the podcast about venting, that if you practice a skill in one area of your life,
it's going to transfer to others. And so it's not just practicing that idea of not venting
about certain things, but just in general, having that better mindset of looking for the solution,
rather than just talking about the problem, is going to translate into all different aspects
of life similar to this, where if you have these mindset skills in standing in the grocery store,
you're going to be able to employ them even better in a high pressure and performance or
stress situation. Yeah, and that's, you know, I met with someone the other day, we were talking about
using the breath as a way to improve his performance period, whether it's at work,
his personal life. And he admitted he was quite skeptical beforehand. As most are,
in the beginning. Yes. Is that woo woo term again? Woo woo indeed, but it's funny how all these
super high performers all do it. And for me, it's really been very helpful, just kind of throughout
the day. Take one of those slow deep breaths or two. And there are, I mean, there are formal
breathing exercises, box breathing, 478. All all those things. At some point, we'll probably
talk in detail about how to do that. That'll be entertaining. I'll guide you. We want to watch
you breathing on video. Sure. So I mean, there are a number of different tools that we can use to
be our best. We want to be, but all of them center around not leaving our thoughts to chance and
just kind of sailing through hoping for the best. Because that's not how we work.
No. And a lot of people, they don't believe that they can be better in that regard. They'll
quick to make an excuse or something. That's just the way I am. So that's what we've been,
what you talked about last week also. And I think just a lack of confidence that they can become
who they want to be. And lack of belief that it's possible for them, as opposed to the people who
are already there and thinking you're just not in that realm or that world with them,
where it's possible for you. But everyone's like, we talked about Kobe like Panepasso
ago about he wasn't the Kobe that he was at the very end when he first joined the league.
Oh, no question. And I mean, really, no one is. I know I'm reading a book by this distance runner,
you know, cast, or I just finished. And she went up winning bronze medal in the Olympics in the
marathon. But the book is fascinating because it details her evolution as a thinker.
And how she perceived certain situations and how she improved tremendously.
That allowed her when she started, she was not running marathons. And when she was pitched,
the idea of like, running one, her initial know from me. Oh, yeah, forget it. I remember
one of our friends, Tara, remember, she told me this, she was training to run a half marathon.
And that was her plan. So she was good to go. And then when she's running it, she gets to the
half marathon point. I'm going to just keep going. So she runs a whole marathon.
Or could just do it without even having trained, which is just insane.
But whatever she was fun to coach, fun to play with. So her Dina casters, it's a fascinating book
because of she's very honest about her struggles. But an activity like running,
it's there, it's all there is, it's time to think, yeah, to see how she could evolve from
running 5k or 10k races to be able to be mentally on point for an entire marathon.
You know, two hours and 20 minutes or whatever it was, that takes real training and awareness,
but also belief that you can become who you're trying to become. And of course, when she was
pitched the idea of marathoning, she had doubts and like, fears. But she winds up and yeah,
and she had people around her who were encouraging her and telling her, guiding her coach.
I think that's a great point is having that support system to encourage you. Like,
it's not lost on me that a lot of the reason I will try anything and keep trying to solve
a problem is because I had support and those things growing up of no one was ever like,
that's probably not for you. Or that's that's who do you think you are, right? Who do you
think you are? That's going to be way too hard. You'll never be able to, you know, I mean,
the only thing was like, I've got too tall for dancing at one point. But like other than that,
I mean, the support system of encouragement, because when you have that, you know,
boys in the back of your head, which is another thing I've talked about, is how to train that one.
But when you don't have that trained and you have that voice in the back of your head,
having a support system to encourage you to be better, do better, reach for the stars,
whatever you want to call it is crucial to that success to get you to take a step into the door.
Yeah, and her coach was legendary track coach Joe Behill. He's one untold number of national
championships and college level coach, multiple Olympic middleists. And so much of his input is
about the mental game and very supportive in putting her in positions where she was going
to struggle, but also reminding her, you can do it. And I think that's about that. That's
enduring struggle is what makes you stronger. So when you have that support system or encouragement
to recognize that this is going to be something that will be a struggle, but if you can get past
this, then we can go even further. Well, and that's the whole point of I don't care what it is you're
involved with, if you have a mentality of that's going to be really hard, I can't do it. Okay,
well, I mean, plus who will you become? But if you frame everything as an opportunity,
no matter how hard it is, no matter how daunting it is, I mean, literally,
your belief system affects every cell in your body. And you can either choose to be optimistic,
hopeful, and aggressively so. And no matter what hard thing shows up, you almost you want to be
grateful for that, because that's how you're going to grow. That's how you're going to get tougher
and better. And you become more resilient. And you go places that you never really thought you
would otherwise. But if you shrink from those challenges and those tests, or you view them as
obstacles that can't be overcome, well, then you'll always stay right where you are or
regress. Right. And you know, it goes back to them. Obstacle is the way that,
looked by Ryan Holiday, highly recommend based on Marcus Reales' meditations. And that is,
that's the path forward always. And instead of seeing something as a roadblock, oh, well,
guess I can't do that. Instead, you just take bull by the horns, frame it in a way that like,
yeah, here I come. Right. And that just seems like a much better way to live to me than always
avoiding always not believing and living in our fears. We've talked about, you know,
retraining the brain that your brain doesn't have difference between actual success and
imagining success. When you think about, you know, we've talked about, you know, pregame or
pre-speech or pre-test, it's not just before a sports event that the basketball player envisions
hitting a three point shot. It can be the college student before a big exam imagining, you know,
if I get to a question that's really hard, what's my reaction going to be? If I, you know,
if something sums me, what's my response going to be in practicing that? What's, you know,
my breathing response, what's my mental response, what's my emotional response? You get that
example once about Michael Phelps, you know, visualizing that his goggles fell off in a race
and it happened and he just proceeded on because he had already, not only had he, like, he had
practiced it, but his brain knew how to respond, his heart beating, his breath knew how to respond.
And so all of those, the more that we face and tackle and then achieve those difficult situations,
the easier it becomes next time. And I think that that's where maybe people get confused. It's not
that you're going to stop facing difficult challenges, but you won't view them as difficult.
Yeah, you view them as tests and challenges that are there for you to overcome.
And they're all cute. Like, they're not forever. Exactly. That's really good. Yeah. Thanks.
I'm an encourager. I'm a believer and I believe in you. That catch me. Amen. So that, and that
imaging, you can do that for anything. I mean, if you know, you have a meeting that day that could
get dicey, see yourself answering those questions and meeting those challenges effectively. It
happens like for an AP exam, all of its same. I do this a lot and I know other people do as well.
But if something, maybe this is back to the venting conversation, but if something really works
me up, I don't intentionally do this, but part of my like mental, my thought process is if I were
to actually like face someone and go talk to them about the issue. And then you have this like mental
fight with them in your head and see like, well, what if they say this and I'll say that and then
they'd say this. And usually we go to like the really ramped up place that we would never actually
do. And that's, I think that's that maybe like adrenaline type response when you start having
those feelings. But on the flip side, like if you can do that intentionally with a positive goal in
mind to rather than, okay, I'm going to go have this verbal argument with this person and tell
them how I really feel about X, Y and Z. And I'll be prepared for their comebacks. But it's a similar
it's a similar strategy, right? Of like, okay, if this happens, then I'll pivot this direction.
And then from there, if this happens, I'll be able to have these three choices and which one's the
best outcome. And the more that you practice that, I'll be honest, I've gotten more confident in
confrontations because I'm practicing and practicing them in my head. I used to be very
anti confrontational, like it gave me and I still get like the rapid heartbeat kind of thing when
it happens. But I will, I have no problem saying what I think at this point. That used to give me
so much anxiety. And I mean, there is a level that like that's not necessarily a good thing to always
speak your mind in any situation. But in the situations where I really feel like it's the
right thing to do to speak up and stick up for myself or somebody else. I think I got some
confidence just in my own head, like having those arguments and then realizing, okay,
you don't have to be reactive with the things that just come out of your mouth, like you can
be prepared in that higher stress situation with the things that are important in an argument,
rather than just word vomiting, all the, you know, curse words and names you want to call a person.
If you can be productive in the things that you say as your responses, then that's strategy.
Yes. And that's fun. You use the word confidence. One confidence can be trained and developed. And
also confidence is fleeting. You can't just think like, all right, now I'm confident. Right.
And confidence levels vary from activity to activity. You may feel very confident on the tennis
court, but not so confident in public speaking. Sure. So that's where having tools to help you
perform any role is it's crucial and it's possible. And that's where, you know, when
Shelley, who's one of the co-owners of College Hound, when she asked me about this,
I was totally pumped. Like, because I'll, any,
anything that anyone is doing is meaningful to me. If they're doing it, it matters. And
you know, I don't care about, well, no, we only work with basketball players or athletes. Like,
no, like if we can help anyone be better and live a better life, that's the goal. And that's it.
Well, you and I have talked about this before. This is not just for the athletes. It's for
coaches. It's for parents of athletes. It's for anyone who's going to be around that environment,
at least in the sports world, whether you're an athlete and you're using these skills yourself,
or you're a coach and you want to instill these skills in your athletes, or you're the parent
of an athlete and you want to help them develop these skills because you know it's good for them
in the long run for their life and not just in sports. And then it goes beyond sports. It's not
just like we talk about volleyball all the time, but this is not, this is nothing about this other
than the stories we tell has anything to do with volleyball itself. And it doesn't matter. You
can be a parent of a violinist or or you can be a parent of a, right, I was going to say a student
who just is very gifted in math, like being able to have or even not gifted, not gifted, right,
right, right. And that's any, there are so many ways forward that it just doesn't matter about
your talent level. We all have to proceed forward in life. Yeah. Whatever is on the table for us.
And you can learn. I mean, I, David Goggins is one of those kind of examples where he's really
famous. In what? Well, he passed the entrance testing for every special forces version of each
military branch. And then wrote a couple books. Can't hurt me was the first one. Huge bestseller.
Then he becomes this crazy endurance athlete and set the world record for most pullups in 24 hours,
things like that. Another challenge I'll never have any interest in taking.
Yeah, same pullups, pushups and marathons. No hard pass.
Lazy. I read his books. I've heard him talk about when he decided he wanted to go into the military,
they have like a standardized test that you have to pass and he couldn't pass it. And
so he learned for him what he had to do and he would write down notes and paragraphs and page
after page after page and reread a paragraph over and over until he understood it. And it took him
longer than it might take either of us. But he had the willpower and the stamina to do so. It
didn't matter how hard it was. And he winds up passing the exam. So what he overcame, I'm really
poor family background and learning disabilities and he was really overweight. He decided he wanted
to go into the military. And then he came something else entirely. And so fascinating
metamorphosis for sure. And he could have stopped though. And well, I'm not good at.
I've got all these roadblocks. I'm just going to let this one defeat me.
Dyslexic or whatever. And instead, he just kept coming and kept coming and kept coming until he
did it. And so I mean, I find him pretty inspirational in that regard. But that approach,
if you just keep going, you keep getting up. I know I talk with this team Edward
Sarah pro every Thursday morning. And when he was brought up, the whole idea of getting up,
keep getting up and do it again. That's it. Like as long as you don't stay down.
You keep getting up. We talked about this point no one that like dedication versus motivation.
Dedication is always going to win. Not always motivation of getting up and doing it again or
thinking that you're going to always be excited to do it again. But if you have a goal in mind,
and you're dedicated to achieving that, then you're getting up and doing it again,
trying again, not going to be defeated. It's not going to get me down.
Yeah. And I mean, it's only natural to give up when it's hard. Sure.
But guess what? You don't have to just do what's natural. You can become supernatural.
And not in a mystical way necessarily. But although I think you can tap into some of that
in airplanes. Yes. I'm really glad that was your answer.
Yeah. We've had more conversations if you said yes.
Yes. But that approach to whatever it is, like if you just keep coming, keep going,
you know, once in church, you know, when you're going through hell, keep going.
What else are you going to do? Right? Stay down, quit, give up.
And what feels better to say I kept going and I kept trying or I quit.
Right. No one's ever going to fault you and say, oh, you know, you failed, but you're trying again.
That's great. But if you just say I failed, that's a different, that's a whole different
perspective on that. Like people will always cheer you on. Some people might think you're a little
nutty if you keep trying the same thing a hundred times. But if you go into it, you know, that whole
insanity is doing the same thing the same, right? Whatever that quote is. But again,
if you go into it with a different angle because you've sharpened your skills or sharpened your
approach, then people are only going to be supportive of that. And if they're not, then.
Yeah. And that's not to say that you don't ever quit something. Right. Like you can pit it.
And I don't think I want to do that anymore. I want to do this, you know, even the runner I was
talking about, she didn't keep running 10 K. She ultimately winds up running a marathon. So
think it's sometimes people mistake pivoting or adjusting. I think the word pivot is so such
a great replacement for quitting. Yeah. It's over. It ended, whatever. I mean, I, if when I reframe
the pivots I've made in my life from a pivot to, you know, I made a pivot in my career versus I quit
my old job. I feel like if you can view it as a pivot in life, even on a greater scale than just
my career or whatever that changes, then pivot to me always sounds like progress.
Someone contact us through the Instagram messaging and asked about DMs. DMs. Sorry.
Whatever. But asked about her young child and is it okay to let them quit?
Oh, yeah. And, you know, when they're just trying things, I mean, I don't think you let them quit
during the season, but that doesn't mean they have to keep playing soccer. Right. Like if they
don't like it. Okay. We'll play again next year. So that, I mean, that's a perfectly healthy way to
go about things. You sample it. I love doing this or I don't like doing that. I don't rather do
something else. As long as I think you're not quitting just because it's hard. Yeah. Or too much
of a challenge or whatever. Well, we've talked about that, especially in youth sports, you know,
what the more important goals are and that outside of are you the best soccer player
on the most elite team or whatever we want to call it. Yeah, it's going to be challenging or
it might be something that they're not great at, but if they're having fun loving it, then
continue on. Or if they're learning a great lesson or going to be a good teammate, that was the
issue we ran into last weekend. Oh, yeah. The story you wanted to tell about. I don't think so.
Oh, she wouldn't go out on the field. So I'm like reading her the definition of a teammate,
like the qualities of a good teammate and being supportive and like a commitment to a team and
that your coach is just as much an authority as like your teacher at school. It was a whole,
I mean, the whole weekend was around commitments, being a teammate. If she wants to sit and cheer
her team on, but she's going to show up to the games, cheer her team on. And if the coach says
you're going on the field, you go on the field and you work your artist. And if you come home and
you say, mom, I really hate this. I'll say, I'm okay, then we won't do it next season. Right.
We're going to stick with it. You know, in that vein, it's like we think about things that
things that we're proud of achieving for the most part are not easy things.
If you want to have pride at the end, you did something difficult. So whether it's parenting
or playing a sport or winning the medal or learning to play that piece of music or
getting an A on your chemistry, whatever it is, if you have pride in the end, then it was probably a
challenge. And so if you can have that mindset that when you face challenges, okay, if I overcome
this and if I stick with it and if I achieve this, I'll be so proud of myself.
Well, and it goes back to having a clear idea of who you want to be. And if we determine that we want
to be someone who's resilient and mentally tough, however you want to phrase that, and that we can
handle whatever life throws at us, well, then we look forward. I was going to say, you almost get
excited when you get faced. You look forward to the difficulties and good. You know, that's the
welcome. Yeah, let's do it. Jocko will like a little video on YouTube. Good. Good. Like it doesn't
matter what it is. Like, I didn't get the promotion. Good. Good. What's next? And if you frame it,
always in the sense like, I'm going to learn something from this, I'm going to get better
through this, I'm going to get tougher through this, become more resilient through this. Then,
if the outcome isn't what you hoped for, there are still good things to be found. And that's the
whole point of that video. And, you know, talk about the process and all that. Well, that is it
right there. If you're locked in on the day to day work of becoming.
Then the outcomes are almost irrelevant. Yeah.
They will take care of themselves. That's Bill Walsh's book, Score Takes Care of Itself. If you,
every day are pursuing excellence, and you're not rocked by whatever obstacles are in front of you,
or whatever failures or mistakes are made. Instead, you just keep overcoming them, you keep getting
up. Then, you're going to be able to take care of yourself. You're going to be able to take care of
them, regardless of what it is you're doing. It's going to pay off. You'll get where you want to go,
you'll become who you want to become, and you'll always be coming better. And that's, you know,
I, Lord knows I need to keep becoming a better version of myself, like much better. I don't get
the alternative. Like, what will you choose to do with this life? If that's not how you're going.
It's challenging, and it sometimes feels uncomfortable. But if you want to change, you have to give up
the old. People, I saw something on Instagram, you know, you prayed for this new life, you can't,
you can't be upset when you realize you've lost your old one, because if you wanted something new,
you have to give up the old. And that's, whether it's habits or ways of thinking or actions and
responses to, you know, various things in your life. If you want to do the new ones, you kind of
have to do out with the old ones. Well, the whole idea of being emotionally comfortable, I don't even
understand, like, that's not how we should be living. Like, we should be constantly in search of
higher, better versions of ourselves and new things to learn. That's exciting. And, you know,
when I think back on some of the ways I used to think, some of the things I did, I'm like, embarrassed.
And the same will be the case 10 years from now. I'll look back now, like, what was I thinking?
Right. But that's good. That's the goal. Like, that's, I should be growing and learning and
developing. And I don't, I can't imagine living in a way like you don't learn something new every day.
That's interesting. That's Dr. Amon or Amon, the psychologist on Instagram. Oh, yeah.
Talking about was, I saw a clip of a podcast or interview he was in. And I mean, this is nothing,
him saying is no different than anybody else who has said it before him.
But when you wake up in the morning, you wake up, crappy day, man, this day sucks. I can't
believe I had to get up this early. I can't believe I have a meeting first thing this morning. I can't
believe whatever. Yeah, it's gonna suck. Right. Because you've told yourself it's gonna suck.
And that event's still going to take place. And so when it takes place, it's gonna suck.
But if you wake up and you say, you know, cheesy as it might be, I'm glad to be alive this morning.
It's a beautiful like something for me when I first wake up, because I used to, now that I work
from home, I haven't had to get up early, early in a long time. Something for me when I wake up,
and I'm just like, oh, it's six o'clock. It's so dark outside. I get up, turn on the lights.
Even if the sun is not yet open the curtains, open the blinds, make the bed. And like setting that
scene for like, if I just roll out of bed, and the coverage has flipped over, and I'm still in
my pajamas in the winters, like it feels very closed in and dark, and like, I should still be in bed.
But if I set the scene, like it's daytime, and it's a wake time, I just, I instantly feel better.
And so again, if that you can come up with ways to almost trick your mind into it being a good thing,
or that it's a feel good thing, or waking up and saying, man, you know what, I really didn't
want to have back to back to back calls today. But then I'm done. After those three are over,
then I'm done. Or whatever way shifting it makes you feel better is such a
more attractive and appealing way of thinking than, oh, this sucks.
Well, even being grateful for the fact that there are children to wake up and attend to.
Yeah, if it's, oh, my kids. But it's, oh my god.
Or being grateful that you have a job.
Yeah, right.
You have meetings to go to. And that whole notion of I get to instead of I have to,
that's a real game changer. And I know I've talked, I'd use this example before Jerry Lynch.
He does like a little box breath on several things every morning before he gets out of bed.
He'll make, come up with a few things he's thankful for. Then there's a quick, you know,
box breath on each one before he even gets out of bed. So he spent whatever a minute or two
focusing on positive things. Yeah.
And it just keeps going back to like, which path do you want to go down?
And which path are you going to follow? And where does it lead?
Well, being negative and cynical, that's not a realist. No, you're just negative and cynical.
And instead of thankful and hopeful, that sounds like a way better existence to me.
And then it affects literally everything you do. And it doesn't matter what it is,
whether it's parenting, school, work, piano, basketball, doesn't matter.
If that, if that type of task or action sounds daunting or sounds like something you aren't
comfortable with doing, or, well, how am I going to remember to do that every morning?
It's so out of my normal routine. It's like the idea of, okay, for someone who wants to start,
like my boss at work, we have this event that we host several times a year for the partners of our
firm. And we focus on fitness, nutrition and finance. So our team runs this. And so when she
first started going, she was like, I didn't ever, I didn't know how to eat properly. I didn't have
an exercise regimen that I ever enjoyed. I didn't grow up as an athlete. She had no
background in any of these things. And so after she went a few times, she started to pick up some
of those habits that she wanted to better herself health wise, nutrition wise. She was like, at
first, my goal was Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I'm going to work out or three days a week.
And so she's like, so at first, you know, Monday, okay, it's Monday, I'm going to do it.
And she was like, she was like, I almost never miss Monday. But then Wednesday rolls around and,
you know, coworkers want to go out for happy hour. And that sounds way more fun than working out.
So you know what, I'll skip today, but I'll do it on Friday. And then it's Friday and
well, it's Friday, like I don't want to work out on Friday. And so she realized that schedule was
not working for her. And so she committed instead of three days a week, it was 20 minutes a day.
She was like, if I can get up and just do 20 minutes, that's, that's easy. That's the time it
takes to make a cup of coffee and breakfast. And so she started doing that. And you know what, by
day three or four, my 20 minutes was up. She was like, I would literally set a timer. And she said,
and then I realized I was only halfway through the workout, I wanted to get done. And so I kept
going. And so setting those little habits of like starting small and pivoting if it's not working
and being able to recognize if it's a habit that you really want to adopt, and that you know,
will be good for you in the end in the long run. And now she's like 20 some years later.
And now it's become a habit. She doesn't have to, I got to work out this morning.
So that mindset, whether it's journaling, straight stretching, we all need to stretch more.
Stretching first thing in the morning before bed or reading a book, whatever it is,
set your goals small, and accept that if one morning you fail and you get back on or
it's not working, pivot. Gentlemen at the
surf pro was at this morning. Dan, he talked about he has a vision board
or pictures quotes of to remind him of who he wants to be and what he wants to accomplish.
And I think the more you can have those reminders in your face, you know, whether it's
post it notes in the bathroom mirror, refrigerator in the kitchen, whatever, those things all
are great ways to remind yourself of who you want to become. That's that mind training. That is if
you can see it or hearing it, whether it's a sticky note or a background on your phone or
you know, whatever it is to keep it in your face and in your mind on a regular basis is going to
teach you to keep saying it and then eventually believing it. And all things on social media
where people are putting pictures of themselves as a child on their home screen of their phone.
And when they have, you know, negative self self thought, like when I say that to my younger self,
when I say these words to that little girl or that little boy. And that's just a little another
way to say, why am I talking to myself this way? I set this quote this morning from the Indian
Journal of Psychiatry. Don't ask me how I came across the quote, but I did from several years ago.
From the best in anything. Thank you. But the biochemistry of our body stems from our awareness.
Belief reinforced awareness becomes our biochemistry. Each and every tiny cell in our body is
perfectly and absolutely aware of our thoughts, feelings, and of course our beliefs.
100%. There is a beautiful saying, nobody grows old when people stop growing, they become old.
If you believe you're fragile, the biochemistry of your body unquestionably obeys and manifests it.
If you believe you're tough, your body undeniably mirrors it. That speaks exactly what you're
talking about. Like you can choose one way to see yourself and your life in this world.
And I choose optimism and yeah, living on the Ascension to quote the great
Anne St. Dorrance. I know I love that idea. So I think that, I don't know, cherishing the one life
we have in making the most of it, then it doesn't matter what it is that you do.
Yeah, you're doing it well with intention, with effort, with positive outcomes.
In one sense, everything you do matters. All right, then let's learn how to tackle it
the most effective way possible. So we can get the most out of it, we can learn from it, and we can
keep growing, keep getting better, and we can help others do the same. That's all, point of what we're doing.
And to come full circle in this conversation, the whole point was to start talking about this is
for everybody. And we very quickly got off the subject of sports because it is, this is for
everybody. This is not just, this is not just high performers, because we talk about that a lot,
and that phrase a lot. It's not just for those. Like you said, it's even if you're bad at math,
and you'll want to be better. This is for you. If you struggle with something, this is for you.
If you're great at something, and you want to get better, or at least keep the greatness where it is,
this is for you. And it's a win-win situation.
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