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Hi, I'm Jim. Welcome to the Unbound Performance Podcast, where we explore the world of sports

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and performance mindset training. And I'm Caroline. Each week, we talk about the strategies,

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habits, and mental framework that help us to excel. Let's get into today's episode.

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Yeah, I had lunch last week with a friend of mine, and her and her husband are developing this online

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service called College Hound. And it's to help parents and high school students kind of navigate

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the whole process of college admissions, what to look for, things like that. And so she was asking

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me about the possibility of doing some things for non-athlete clientele. And you're like, hell yeah.

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Well, it was, it's a seamless thing, because I told her it doesn't matter what it is you're trying to

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be good at, or if it has to do with just how to deal with stress or how to manage your thoughts.

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So your health is better. All of it. Like there's, there's just helpful ways to think and

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that produces more helpful emotions, more helpful behaviors. It doesn't matter whether you're

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an Olympic athlete or a concert pianist or brain surgeon, or a school teacher or whatever.

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And it definitely transcends vocation. Like it's just part of being a better person. You get to maybe

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choose more helpful thoughts. So basically talking about how you can be a professional athlete, you

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can be a public speaker, you can be a concert pianist, and are all situations where having this,

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these skills, these mindset skills are beneficial. Well, in any, I mean, whether it's performance

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related or it can be life performance as a husband, father, friend, any way that we wind

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up leaving our thoughts to chance, just trusting that we'll react wonderfully. That's less than

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optimal approach, because we have a negativity bias and we've talked about that the past, where

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we'll say things to ourselves that are really unhelpful, or we'll perceive situations in a

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really unhelpful way and react accordingly, as opposed to being able to take a pause, take a breath.

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The breath is a secret weapon across the board all day long. Everything you're doing,

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I don't care if you're standing in line at the grocery store, you want to like, calm down,

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you know, dealing with kids, you want to keep calm, or, you know, if you're going to be performing,

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right, you know, giving a speech or, you know, game that day, doesn't matter. Well, and we talked

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last week in the podcast about venting, that if you practice a skill in one area of your life,

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it's going to transfer to others. And so it's not just practicing that idea of not venting

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about certain things, but just in general, having that better mindset of looking for the solution,

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rather than just talking about the problem, is going to translate into all different aspects

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of life similar to this, where if you have these mindset skills in standing in the grocery store,

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you're going to be able to employ them even better in a high pressure and performance or

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stress situation. Yeah, and that's, you know, I met with someone the other day, we were talking about

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using the breath as a way to improve his performance period, whether it's at work,

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his personal life. And he admitted he was quite skeptical beforehand. As most are,

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in the beginning. Yes. Is that woo woo term again? Woo woo indeed, but it's funny how all these

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super high performers all do it. And for me, it's really been very helpful, just kind of throughout

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the day. Take one of those slow deep breaths or two. And there are, I mean, there are formal

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breathing exercises, box breathing, 478. All all those things. At some point, we'll probably

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talk in detail about how to do that. That'll be entertaining. I'll guide you. We want to watch

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you breathing on video. Sure. So I mean, there are a number of different tools that we can use to

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be our best. We want to be, but all of them center around not leaving our thoughts to chance and

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just kind of sailing through hoping for the best. Because that's not how we work.

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No. And a lot of people, they don't believe that they can be better in that regard. They'll

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quick to make an excuse or something. That's just the way I am. So that's what we've been,

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what you talked about last week also. And I think just a lack of confidence that they can become

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who they want to be. And lack of belief that it's possible for them, as opposed to the people who

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are already there and thinking you're just not in that realm or that world with them,

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where it's possible for you. But everyone's like, we talked about Kobe like Panepasso

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ago about he wasn't the Kobe that he was at the very end when he first joined the league.

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Oh, no question. And I mean, really, no one is. I know I'm reading a book by this distance runner,

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you know, cast, or I just finished. And she went up winning bronze medal in the Olympics in the

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marathon. But the book is fascinating because it details her evolution as a thinker.

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And how she perceived certain situations and how she improved tremendously.

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That allowed her when she started, she was not running marathons. And when she was pitched,

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the idea of like, running one, her initial know from me. Oh, yeah, forget it. I remember

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one of our friends, Tara, remember, she told me this, she was training to run a half marathon.

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And that was her plan. So she was good to go. And then when she's running it, she gets to the

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half marathon point. I'm going to just keep going. So she runs a whole marathon.

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Or could just do it without even having trained, which is just insane.

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But whatever she was fun to coach, fun to play with. So her Dina casters, it's a fascinating book

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because of she's very honest about her struggles. But an activity like running,

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it's there, it's all there is, it's time to think, yeah, to see how she could evolve from

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running 5k or 10k races to be able to be mentally on point for an entire marathon.

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You know, two hours and 20 minutes or whatever it was, that takes real training and awareness,

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but also belief that you can become who you're trying to become. And of course, when she was

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pitched the idea of marathoning, she had doubts and like, fears. But she winds up and yeah,

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and she had people around her who were encouraging her and telling her, guiding her coach.

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I think that's a great point is having that support system to encourage you. Like,

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it's not lost on me that a lot of the reason I will try anything and keep trying to solve

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a problem is because I had support and those things growing up of no one was ever like,

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that's probably not for you. Or that's that's who do you think you are, right? Who do you

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think you are? That's going to be way too hard. You'll never be able to, you know, I mean,

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the only thing was like, I've got too tall for dancing at one point. But like other than that,

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I mean, the support system of encouragement, because when you have that, you know,

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boys in the back of your head, which is another thing I've talked about, is how to train that one.

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But when you don't have that trained and you have that voice in the back of your head,

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having a support system to encourage you to be better, do better, reach for the stars,

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whatever you want to call it is crucial to that success to get you to take a step into the door.

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Yeah, and her coach was legendary track coach Joe Behill. He's one untold number of national

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championships and college level coach, multiple Olympic middleists. And so much of his input is

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about the mental game and very supportive in putting her in positions where she was going

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to struggle, but also reminding her, you can do it. And I think that's about that. That's

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enduring struggle is what makes you stronger. So when you have that support system or encouragement

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to recognize that this is going to be something that will be a struggle, but if you can get past

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this, then we can go even further. Well, and that's the whole point of I don't care what it is you're

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involved with, if you have a mentality of that's going to be really hard, I can't do it. Okay,

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well, I mean, plus who will you become? But if you frame everything as an opportunity,

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no matter how hard it is, no matter how daunting it is, I mean, literally,

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your belief system affects every cell in your body. And you can either choose to be optimistic,

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hopeful, and aggressively so. And no matter what hard thing shows up, you almost you want to be

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grateful for that, because that's how you're going to grow. That's how you're going to get tougher

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and better. And you become more resilient. And you go places that you never really thought you

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would otherwise. But if you shrink from those challenges and those tests, or you view them as

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obstacles that can't be overcome, well, then you'll always stay right where you are or

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regress. Right. And you know, it goes back to them. Obstacle is the way that,

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looked by Ryan Holiday, highly recommend based on Marcus Reales' meditations. And that is,

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that's the path forward always. And instead of seeing something as a roadblock, oh, well,

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guess I can't do that. Instead, you just take bull by the horns, frame it in a way that like,

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yeah, here I come. Right. And that just seems like a much better way to live to me than always

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avoiding always not believing and living in our fears. We've talked about, you know,

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retraining the brain that your brain doesn't have difference between actual success and

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imagining success. When you think about, you know, we've talked about, you know, pregame or

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pre-speech or pre-test, it's not just before a sports event that the basketball player envisions

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hitting a three point shot. It can be the college student before a big exam imagining, you know,

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if I get to a question that's really hard, what's my reaction going to be? If I, you know,

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if something sums me, what's my response going to be in practicing that? What's, you know,

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my breathing response, what's my mental response, what's my emotional response? You get that

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example once about Michael Phelps, you know, visualizing that his goggles fell off in a race

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and it happened and he just proceeded on because he had already, not only had he, like, he had

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practiced it, but his brain knew how to respond, his heart beating, his breath knew how to respond.

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And so all of those, the more that we face and tackle and then achieve those difficult situations,

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the easier it becomes next time. And I think that that's where maybe people get confused. It's not

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that you're going to stop facing difficult challenges, but you won't view them as difficult.

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Yeah, you view them as tests and challenges that are there for you to overcome.

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And they're all cute. Like, they're not forever. Exactly. That's really good. Yeah. Thanks.

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I'm an encourager. I'm a believer and I believe in you. That catch me. Amen. So that, and that

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imaging, you can do that for anything. I mean, if you know, you have a meeting that day that could

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get dicey, see yourself answering those questions and meeting those challenges effectively. It

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happens like for an AP exam, all of its same. I do this a lot and I know other people do as well.

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But if something, maybe this is back to the venting conversation, but if something really works

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me up, I don't intentionally do this, but part of my like mental, my thought process is if I were

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to actually like face someone and go talk to them about the issue. And then you have this like mental

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fight with them in your head and see like, well, what if they say this and I'll say that and then

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they'd say this. And usually we go to like the really ramped up place that we would never actually

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do. And that's, I think that's that maybe like adrenaline type response when you start having

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those feelings. But on the flip side, like if you can do that intentionally with a positive goal in

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mind to rather than, okay, I'm going to go have this verbal argument with this person and tell

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them how I really feel about X, Y and Z. And I'll be prepared for their comebacks. But it's a similar

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it's a similar strategy, right? Of like, okay, if this happens, then I'll pivot this direction.

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And then from there, if this happens, I'll be able to have these three choices and which one's the

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best outcome. And the more that you practice that, I'll be honest, I've gotten more confident in

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confrontations because I'm practicing and practicing them in my head. I used to be very

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anti confrontational, like it gave me and I still get like the rapid heartbeat kind of thing when

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it happens. But I will, I have no problem saying what I think at this point. That used to give me

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so much anxiety. And I mean, there is a level that like that's not necessarily a good thing to always

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speak your mind in any situation. But in the situations where I really feel like it's the

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right thing to do to speak up and stick up for myself or somebody else. I think I got some

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confidence just in my own head, like having those arguments and then realizing, okay,

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you don't have to be reactive with the things that just come out of your mouth, like you can

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be prepared in that higher stress situation with the things that are important in an argument,

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rather than just word vomiting, all the, you know, curse words and names you want to call a person.

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If you can be productive in the things that you say as your responses, then that's strategy.

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Yes. And that's fun. You use the word confidence. One confidence can be trained and developed. And

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also confidence is fleeting. You can't just think like, all right, now I'm confident. Right.

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And confidence levels vary from activity to activity. You may feel very confident on the tennis

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court, but not so confident in public speaking. Sure. So that's where having tools to help you

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perform any role is it's crucial and it's possible. And that's where, you know, when

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Shelley, who's one of the co-owners of College Hound, when she asked me about this,

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I was totally pumped. Like, because I'll, any,

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anything that anyone is doing is meaningful to me. If they're doing it, it matters. And

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you know, I don't care about, well, no, we only work with basketball players or athletes. Like,

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no, like if we can help anyone be better and live a better life, that's the goal. And that's it.

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Well, you and I have talked about this before. This is not just for the athletes. It's for

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coaches. It's for parents of athletes. It's for anyone who's going to be around that environment,

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at least in the sports world, whether you're an athlete and you're using these skills yourself,

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or you're a coach and you want to instill these skills in your athletes, or you're the parent

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of an athlete and you want to help them develop these skills because you know it's good for them

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in the long run for their life and not just in sports. And then it goes beyond sports. It's not

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just like we talk about volleyball all the time, but this is not, this is nothing about this other

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than the stories we tell has anything to do with volleyball itself. And it doesn't matter. You

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can be a parent of a violinist or or you can be a parent of a, right, I was going to say a student

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who just is very gifted in math, like being able to have or even not gifted, not gifted, right,

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right, right. And that's any, there are so many ways forward that it just doesn't matter about

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your talent level. We all have to proceed forward in life. Yeah. Whatever is on the table for us.

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And you can learn. I mean, I, David Goggins is one of those kind of examples where he's really

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famous. In what? Well, he passed the entrance testing for every special forces version of each

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military branch. And then wrote a couple books. Can't hurt me was the first one. Huge bestseller.

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Then he becomes this crazy endurance athlete and set the world record for most pullups in 24 hours,

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things like that. Another challenge I'll never have any interest in taking.

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Yeah, same pullups, pushups and marathons. No hard pass.

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Lazy. I read his books. I've heard him talk about when he decided he wanted to go into the military,

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they have like a standardized test that you have to pass and he couldn't pass it. And

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so he learned for him what he had to do and he would write down notes and paragraphs and page

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after page after page and reread a paragraph over and over until he understood it. And it took him

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longer than it might take either of us. But he had the willpower and the stamina to do so. It

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didn't matter how hard it was. And he winds up passing the exam. So what he overcame, I'm really

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poor family background and learning disabilities and he was really overweight. He decided he wanted

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to go into the military. And then he came something else entirely. And so fascinating

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metamorphosis for sure. And he could have stopped though. And well, I'm not good at.

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I've got all these roadblocks. I'm just going to let this one defeat me.

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Dyslexic or whatever. And instead, he just kept coming and kept coming and kept coming until he

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did it. And so I mean, I find him pretty inspirational in that regard. But that approach,

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if you just keep going, you keep getting up. I know I talk with this team Edward

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Sarah pro every Thursday morning. And when he was brought up, the whole idea of getting up,

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keep getting up and do it again. That's it. Like as long as you don't stay down.

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You keep getting up. We talked about this point no one that like dedication versus motivation.

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Dedication is always going to win. Not always motivation of getting up and doing it again or

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thinking that you're going to always be excited to do it again. But if you have a goal in mind,

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and you're dedicated to achieving that, then you're getting up and doing it again,

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trying again, not going to be defeated. It's not going to get me down.

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Yeah. And I mean, it's only natural to give up when it's hard. Sure.

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But guess what? You don't have to just do what's natural. You can become supernatural.

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in airplanes. Yes. I'm really glad that was your answer.

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Yeah. We've had more conversations if you said yes.

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you know, once in church, you know, when you're going through hell, keep going.

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What else are you going to do? Right? Stay down, quit, give up.

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And what feels better to say I kept going and I kept trying or I quit.

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Right. No one's ever going to fault you and say, oh, you know, you failed, but you're trying again.

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That's great. But if you just say I failed, that's a different, that's a whole different

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perspective on that. Like people will always cheer you on. Some people might think you're a little

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nutty if you keep trying the same thing a hundred times. But if you go into it, you know, that whole

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insanity is doing the same thing the same, right? Whatever that quote is. But again,

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if you go into it with a different angle because you've sharpened your skills or sharpened your

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approach, then people are only going to be supportive of that. And if they're not, then.

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Yeah. And that's not to say that you don't ever quit something. Right. Like you can pit it.

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And I don't think I want to do that anymore. I want to do this, you know, even the runner I was

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talking about, she didn't keep running 10 K. She ultimately winds up running a marathon. So

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think it's sometimes people mistake pivoting or adjusting. I think the word pivot is so such

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a great replacement for quitting. Yeah. It's over. It ended, whatever. I mean, I, if when I reframe

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the pivots I've made in my life from a pivot to, you know, I made a pivot in my career versus I quit

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my old job. I feel like if you can view it as a pivot in life, even on a greater scale than just

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my career or whatever that changes, then pivot to me always sounds like progress.

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Someone contact us through the Instagram messaging and asked about DMs. DMs. Sorry.

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Whatever. But asked about her young child and is it okay to let them quit?

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Oh, yeah. And, you know, when they're just trying things, I mean, I don't think you let them quit

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during the season, but that doesn't mean they have to keep playing soccer. Right. Like if they

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don't like it. Okay. We'll play again next year. So that, I mean, that's a perfectly healthy way to

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go about things. You sample it. I love doing this or I don't like doing that. I don't rather do

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something else. As long as I think you're not quitting just because it's hard. Yeah. Or too much

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of a challenge or whatever. Well, we've talked about that, especially in youth sports, you know,

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what the more important goals are and that outside of are you the best soccer player

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on the most elite team or whatever we want to call it. Yeah, it's going to be challenging or

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it might be something that they're not great at, but if they're having fun loving it, then

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continue on. Or if they're learning a great lesson or going to be a good teammate, that was the

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issue we ran into last weekend. Oh, yeah. The story you wanted to tell about. I don't think so.

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Oh, she wouldn't go out on the field. So I'm like reading her the definition of a teammate,

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like the qualities of a good teammate and being supportive and like a commitment to a team and

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that your coach is just as much an authority as like your teacher at school. It was a whole,

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I mean, the whole weekend was around commitments, being a teammate. If she wants to sit and cheer

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her team on, but she's going to show up to the games, cheer her team on. And if the coach says

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you're going on the field, you go on the field and you work your artist. And if you come home and

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you say, mom, I really hate this. I'll say, I'm okay, then we won't do it next season. Right.

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We're going to stick with it. You know, in that vein, it's like we think about things that

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things that we're proud of achieving for the most part are not easy things.

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If you want to have pride at the end, you did something difficult. So whether it's parenting

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or playing a sport or winning the medal or learning to play that piece of music or

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getting an A on your chemistry, whatever it is, if you have pride in the end, then it was probably a

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challenge. And so if you can have that mindset that when you face challenges, okay, if I overcome

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this and if I stick with it and if I achieve this, I'll be so proud of myself.

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to be someone who's resilient and mentally tough, however you want to phrase that, and that we can

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handle whatever life throws at us, well, then we look forward. I was going to say, you almost get

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excited when you get faced. You look forward to the difficulties and good. You know, that's the

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welcome. Yeah, let's do it. Jocko will like a little video on YouTube. Good. Good. Like it doesn't

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matter what it is. Like, I didn't get the promotion. Good. Good. What's next? And if you frame it,

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always in the sense like, I'm going to learn something from this, I'm going to get better

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through this, I'm going to get tougher through this, become more resilient through this. Then,

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if the outcome isn't what you hoped for, there are still good things to be found. And that's the

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whole point of that video. And, you know, talk about the process and all that. Well, that is it

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right there. If you're locked in on the day to day work of becoming.

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Then the outcomes are almost irrelevant. Yeah.

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They will take care of themselves. That's Bill Walsh's book, Score Takes Care of Itself. If you,

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every day are pursuing excellence, and you're not rocked by whatever obstacles are in front of you,

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or whatever failures or mistakes are made. Instead, you just keep overcoming them, you keep getting

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up. Then, you're going to be able to take care of yourself. You're going to be able to take care of

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them, regardless of what it is you're doing. It's going to pay off. You'll get where you want to go,

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you'll become who you want to become, and you'll always be coming better. And that's, you know,

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I, Lord knows I need to keep becoming a better version of myself, like much better. I don't get

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the alternative. Like, what will you choose to do with this life? If that's not how you're going.

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It's challenging, and it sometimes feels uncomfortable. But if you want to change, you have to give up

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the old. People, I saw something on Instagram, you know, you prayed for this new life, you can't,

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you can't be upset when you realize you've lost your old one, because if you wanted something new,

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you have to give up the old. And that's, whether it's habits or ways of thinking or actions and

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responses to, you know, various things in your life. If you want to do the new ones, you kind of

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have to do out with the old ones. Well, the whole idea of being emotionally comfortable, I don't even

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understand, like, that's not how we should be living. Like, we should be constantly in search of

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higher, better versions of ourselves and new things to learn. That's exciting. And, you know,

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when I think back on some of the ways I used to think, some of the things I did, I'm like, embarrassed.

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And the same will be the case 10 years from now. I'll look back now, like, what was I thinking?

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Right. But that's good. That's the goal. Like, that's, I should be growing and learning and

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developing. And I don't, I can't imagine living in a way like you don't learn something new every day.

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That's interesting. That's Dr. Amon or Amon, the psychologist on Instagram. Oh, yeah.

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Talking about was, I saw a clip of a podcast or interview he was in. And I mean, this is nothing,

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him saying is no different than anybody else who has said it before him.

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But when you wake up in the morning, you wake up, crappy day, man, this day sucks. I can't

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believe I had to get up this early. I can't believe I have a meeting first thing this morning. I can't

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believe whatever. Yeah, it's gonna suck. Right. Because you've told yourself it's gonna suck.

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And that event's still going to take place. And so when it takes place, it's gonna suck.

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But if you wake up and you say, you know, cheesy as it might be, I'm glad to be alive this morning.

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It's a beautiful like something for me when I first wake up, because I used to, now that I work

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from home, I haven't had to get up early, early in a long time. Something for me when I wake up,

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and I'm just like, oh, it's six o'clock. It's so dark outside. I get up, turn on the lights.

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Even if the sun is not yet open the curtains, open the blinds, make the bed. And like setting that

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scene for like, if I just roll out of bed, and the coverage has flipped over, and I'm still in

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my pajamas in the winters, like it feels very closed in and dark, and like, I should still be in bed.

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But if I set the scene, like it's daytime, and it's a wake time, I just, I instantly feel better.

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And so again, if that you can come up with ways to almost trick your mind into it being a good thing,

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or that it's a feel good thing, or waking up and saying, man, you know what, I really didn't

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want to have back to back to back calls today. But then I'm done. After those three are over,

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then I'm done. Or whatever way shifting it makes you feel better is such a

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more attractive and appealing way of thinking than, oh, this sucks.

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Yeah, if it's, oh, my kids. But it's, oh my god.

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Or being grateful that you have a job.

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You have meetings to go to. And that whole notion of I get to instead of I have to,

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that's a real game changer. And I know I've talked, I'd use this example before Jerry Lynch.

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He does like a little box breath on several things every morning before he gets out of bed.

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He'll make, come up with a few things he's thankful for. Then there's a quick, you know,

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box breath on each one before he even gets out of bed. So he spent whatever a minute or two

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focusing on positive things. Yeah.

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And it just keeps going back to like, which path do you want to go down?

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And which path are you going to follow? And where does it lead?

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Well, being negative and cynical, that's not a realist. No, you're just negative and cynical.

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And instead of thankful and hopeful, that sounds like a way better existence to me.

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And then it affects literally everything you do. And it doesn't matter what it is,

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whether it's parenting, school, work, piano, basketball, doesn't matter.

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comfortable with doing, or, well, how am I going to remember to do that every morning?

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It's so out of my normal routine. It's like the idea of, okay, for someone who wants to start,

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like my boss at work, we have this event that we host several times a year for the partners of our

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firm. And we focus on fitness, nutrition and finance. So our team runs this. And so when she

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first started going, she was like, I didn't ever, I didn't know how to eat properly. I didn't have

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an exercise regimen that I ever enjoyed. I didn't grow up as an athlete. She had no

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background in any of these things. And so after she went a few times, she started to pick up some

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of those habits that she wanted to better herself health wise, nutrition wise. She was like, at

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first, my goal was Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I'm going to work out or three days a week.

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And so she's like, so at first, you know, Monday, okay, it's Monday, I'm going to do it.

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And she was like, she was like, I almost never miss Monday. But then Wednesday rolls around and,

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you know, coworkers want to go out for happy hour. And that sounds way more fun than working out.

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So you know what, I'll skip today, but I'll do it on Friday. And then it's Friday and

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well, it's Friday, like I don't want to work out on Friday. And so she realized that schedule was

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not working for her. And so she committed instead of three days a week, it was 20 minutes a day.

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She was like, if I can get up and just do 20 minutes, that's, that's easy. That's the time it

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takes to make a cup of coffee and breakfast. And so she started doing that. And you know what, by

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day three or four, my 20 minutes was up. She was like, I would literally set a timer. And she said,

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and then I realized I was only halfway through the workout, I wanted to get done. And so I kept

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going. And so setting those little habits of like starting small and pivoting if it's not working

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and being able to recognize if it's a habit that you really want to adopt, and that you know,

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will be good for you in the end in the long run. And now she's like 20 some years later.

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And now it's become a habit. She doesn't have to, I got to work out this morning.

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So that mindset, whether it's journaling, straight stretching, we all need to stretch more.

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Stretching first thing in the morning before bed or reading a book, whatever it is,

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set your goals small, and accept that if one morning you fail and you get back on or

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it's not working, pivot. Gentlemen at the

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surf pro was at this morning. Dan, he talked about he has a vision board

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or pictures quotes of to remind him of who he wants to be and what he wants to accomplish.

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And I think the more you can have those reminders in your face, you know, whether it's

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post it notes in the bathroom mirror, refrigerator in the kitchen, whatever, those things all

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are great ways to remind yourself of who you want to become. That's that mind training. That is if

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you can see it or hearing it, whether it's a sticky note or a background on your phone or

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you know, whatever it is to keep it in your face and in your mind on a regular basis is going to

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teach you to keep saying it and then eventually believing it. And all things on social media

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where people are putting pictures of themselves as a child on their home screen of their phone.

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And when they have, you know, negative self self thought, like when I say that to my younger self,

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when I say these words to that little girl or that little boy. And that's just a little another

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way to say, why am I talking to myself this way? I set this quote this morning from the Indian

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Journal of Psychiatry. Don't ask me how I came across the quote, but I did from several years ago.

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From the best in anything. Thank you. But the biochemistry of our body stems from our awareness.

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Belief reinforced awareness becomes our biochemistry. Each and every tiny cell in our body is

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perfectly and absolutely aware of our thoughts, feelings, and of course our beliefs.

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100%. There is a beautiful saying, nobody grows old when people stop growing, they become old.

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If you believe you're fragile, the biochemistry of your body unquestionably obeys and manifests it.

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If you believe you're tough, your body undeniably mirrors it. That speaks exactly what you're

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talking about. Like you can choose one way to see yourself and your life in this world.

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And I choose optimism and yeah, living on the Ascension to quote the great

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Anne St. Dorrance. I know I love that idea. So I think that, I don't know, cherishing the one life

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we have in making the most of it, then it doesn't matter what it is that you do.

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Yeah, you're doing it well with intention, with effort, with positive outcomes.

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In one sense, everything you do matters. All right, then let's learn how to tackle it

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the most effective way possible. So we can get the most out of it, we can learn from it, and we can

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keep growing, keep getting better, and we can help others do the same. That's all, point of what we're doing.

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And to come full circle in this conversation, the whole point was to start talking about this is

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for everybody. And we very quickly got off the subject of sports because it is, this is for

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everybody. This is not just, this is not just high performers, because we talk about that a lot,

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and that phrase a lot. It's not just for those. Like you said, it's even if you're bad at math,

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and you'll want to be better. This is for you. If you struggle with something, this is for you.

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If you're great at something, and you want to get better, or at least keep the greatness where it is,

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this is for you. And it's a win-win situation.

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Amen. We hope you enjoyed this episode of the Unbound Performance Podcast.

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