1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Welcome to Why Make Music..., a podcast where we dive into the world of creations. 2 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000 hosted By ThinkTimm,,, we're broadcasting from Planet Erath. 3 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:39,000 so without further ado let embark on our journey our own journey to think, to talk, and to explore. 4 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Why Make Music... 5 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Welcome to YMAC Music. 6 00:00:51,000 --> 00:01:01,000 I'm your host, ThinkTimm. 7 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Today on Why Make Music... 8 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Dot, dot, dot, the podcast. We will be discussing AI. 9 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Artificial intelligence. Artificial life. 10 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:50,000 What are some of the pros and cons when it comes to music production? 11 00:01:50,000 --> 00:02:04,000 For those who are tuning in for the first time, let me introduce myself. 12 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:21,000 I am ThinkTimm. That's T-H-I-N-K-T-I-M-M. 13 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:41,000 And I will be your host and curator for all things music here on Why Make Music... 14 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Dot, dot, dot. 15 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Let me begin by once again explaining my background. 16 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:11,000 I am a hobbyist musician turned independent producer slash artist. 17 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:29,000 I want to say that there is more of an emphasis on the producer side. 18 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:45,000 In the background of all the podcasts, which by chance this is episode 25, 19 00:03:45,000 --> 00:04:03,000 is music that will be likely played. Hopefully this music will catch your attention for it is all written, composed, produced by me. 20 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:28,000 ThinkTimm, all of my music is available on all streaming platforms such as Apple, Spotify, Amazon, iHeart Music, etc. 21 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:39,000 So without further ado, I will get into our episode this week, 22 00:04:39,000 --> 00:05:03,000 which I have been dabbling and experimenting to try to come up with the best description of the functionalities when it comes to home production. 23 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:11,000 I say home production because for that's where I produce my music. 24 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:24,000 I am not affiliated with anything major. I am a self-producing entity of music. 25 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:33,000 So I thank you for tuning in and I thank you for your support. 26 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:54,000 This is the time where I have to remind you to like and follow and subscribe and leave a comment or a question in the section below. 27 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:08,000 So across the board people, what is your opinion on AI? 28 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:29,000 I know that it is a mixed bag when it comes to speaking of AI, especially when it comes to creative people for AI. 29 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:41,000 If used irresponsibly could possibly take revenue from creators. 30 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:59,000 I say that because in the everyday more visual aspects of artificial intelligence, 31 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:25,000 one could prompt, ChatGPT or open AI or journey or any other to recreate an image or draw an image in whatever style you decide to choose. 32 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:35,000 And it will perhaps give you a one of a kind image. 33 00:07:35,000 --> 00:08:01,000 It will do it as many times as you request it and it could be entertaining because the more detailed your prompt is, the greater the likelihood is that you will receive an image to your liking. 34 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:22,000 In the professional world, AI is used to summarize, gather information, disseminate information quickly, 35 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:33,000 get you answers that you are needed to explain educational lessons. 36 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,000 It is a great tool. 37 00:08:36,000 --> 00:09:02,000 I am not a person that looks at AI from a negative point of view because I believe that basically any technology that is introduced to the masses 38 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:24,000 by the time that the average person gets their hands on it to utilize it via their computer, PC, desktop, smartphone, tablet or what have you. 39 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:30,000 It is technically mainstream at that point. 40 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:51,000 One of us are computer programmers, software writers, code writers to sit back and say that we are on the cutting edge of AI. 41 00:09:51,000 --> 00:10:08,000 We know what our curiosities lead us to look up and what videos we can procure for ourselves and we can look at. 42 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:26,000 But none of us are, or at least no one I know immediately is the one who is responsible for any AI to come about. 43 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Now there are people that I know in conversation and in life they have their issues depending on their point of view of what they think AI is 44 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:53,000 and the harmful elements that it has towards us humans. 45 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Being though you hear the run of the mill likelihood of the stories that pertain to 46 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:29,000 AI is going to get smart enough to realize that we the humans are the problem and it's going to eradicate us realizing that we are not necessarily part of the solution. 47 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:36,000 That we are more so part of the problem. 48 00:11:36,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Once again with that terministic and matrix like situation way above my pay grade since I am a independent producer, musician and podcast host of this lovely podcast. 49 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Why Make Music... dot dot dot? If it happens what can I do about it? 50 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Well so, true story, about a month ago I saw a YouTube video and it was talking about finding a way to generate passive income with the use of AI. 51 00:12:44,000 --> 00:13:11,000 Now don't get me wrong, I'm all about the hustle. I'm all about educating myself on finding ways, techniques of utilizing any type of technology to ease me through my creative process. 52 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:23,000 I am not necessarily a fan of AI when it comes to being creative. 53 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:49,000 My personal view is that I find the creative process rather therapeutic, rather part of the journey of creating either the visual art or the music that you hear. 54 00:13:49,000 --> 00:14:17,000 So the hands on creation to me is equally important if not more so important than the final product that you the consumer, the listening audience, the person who 55 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:25,000 likes something but does not necessarily create something. 56 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:49,000 So the passive way was utilizing ChatGPT, asking it to give you a list of names for children's songs. 57 00:14:49,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Tell them what type of song you were trying to write and it would generate a list of 20 or so titles. 58 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:31,000 So say for example if you wanted happy preschool age, multicultural involvement, educational videos about trips to the zoo, or you wanted a song about 59 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:53,000 animals singing the alphabet or you wanted anything, the more descriptive you were and entering your information, the more creative titles, the AI generated. 60 00:15:53,000 --> 00:16:18,000 That was step one. So me being the curious soul that I am, I did it and I wrote prompts in reference to perhaps, could you write a song about space kids? 61 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Because me being a Star Wars fan and I figured I would keep it in an alien non-human like world. 62 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:52,000 So therefore I requested that and with that prompt I got a list of about 20 or so titles of songs and it was cool. 63 00:16:52,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Don't get me wrong and I also included activities, whether it was playing in a schoolyard on a far distant planet, 64 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:35,000 whether it was possibly being friends with an alien, you know all of the basic things that people tend to look at or search for 65 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:52,000 when it comes to kids songs involving outer space stuff. So it was kind of cool and kind of fun. 66 00:17:52,000 --> 00:18:09,000 So what I did from there was I picked a song and the song was titled was called "Intergalactic Ice Cream" 67 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:28,000 I went to a suggested website, I think it was called SUNO.AI, perhaps I'm going to... 68 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:54,000 Let's see, Sun U, S-O-S-U-N-O-A-I. It was a music generation site that allows you to make high quality music in various styles and genres. 69 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:08,000 So what I did, I followed the instructions of the YouTube video and the next thing I did was type in, 70 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:29,000 could you write lyrics for this song called "Intergalactic Ice Cream" and sure enough it printed out lyrics. 71 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Now mind you, this story I'm telling you is longer than the time it took for the AI to do the steps. 72 00:19:47,000 --> 00:20:01,000 So step one, generate a bunch of titles. Step two, pick a title. Step three, ask AI to write a song. 73 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Step four, go to the Suno, S-U-N-O-A-I website and basically plug in your audio. 74 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:32,000 Yeah, so it's that easy and I say it's that easy because literally it was that easy. 75 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:50,000 So from there, what I did was I plugged the lyrics in and literally seconds it generated a song. 76 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:59,000 Now I am going to minimize my background music for a hot second like this. 77 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:08,000 But before I do that, I want to make sure I pull up the track and have it ready for a quick look 78 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:22,000 because I don't want to waste anybody's time and I am going to pull it up on the other screen 79 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:31,000 so we can have a look, see, at this craziness. So here we go. 80 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:51,000 I have the other screen up and in this box here is the preview of the song that took literally two minutes to make. 81 00:21:51,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Now what I'm going to do is I am going to drag it in to my field right here and fill it in 82 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:26,000 because I am really uncertain as the proper connection of whatever because I'm doing this like I'm ad lib as I go along. 83 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:34,000 So I'm going to pull it and I'm going to put that right here. 84 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:47,000 All right. So I do have it loaded. I am going to lower the volume so it's not obscenely loud. 85 00:22:47,000 --> 00:23:02,000 And we are going to take a listen. Now my question is, OK, obviously I'm still recording. 86 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Things are going well and I am going to move it a little closer so we can have it coming in as soon as possible. 87 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:35,000 So I'm going to put it right here and I'm going to minimize this next track here to bring it up. 88 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:54,000 So in a hot second, we're going to get it going and we should have it playing. And am I recording still? I am. 89 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:07,000 And here we go. It should be coming in right now. 90 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:49,000 All right. So enough of that. 91 00:24:49,000 --> 00:25:12,000 So seriously, within less than two minutes, it created this Disney-esque song that background vocals the whole bit. 92 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:39,000 And technically, if you did not bat your eyes about it or if you were sitting home with your kids and that came on the television streaming channels, so forth, you wouldn't think twice about it. 93 00:25:39,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Now, as a music creator that's not drawing a paycheck from making music and the time that I spend making music, 94 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:31,000 two minutes to make a full fledged song that probably posted on YouTube under a children's station with a catchy hashtag and some flashy SEOs. 95 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:44,000 Those are the search engines application to help you find something when you're looking. 96 00:26:44,000 --> 00:27:13,000 Interesting hustle. 97 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:29,000 Yeah, I just moved it down the line. Didn't get rid of it. Anywho, but the thing is, 98 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:53,000 how do you get mad at technology that does that when you as the consumer, you don't necessarily know where it's being utilized? 99 00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:17,000 We have all seen animated movie. We've all listened to commercials and we don't know for sure who are the creators of these songs that we hear. 100 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:32,000 The reason I say that is not only was this instructional video, keeping you to how to create a ton of songs like that. 101 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:53,000 Think about it. It's been out 20 titles in less than a couple of seconds. It literally took seconds minutes for it to generate this song. 102 00:28:53,000 --> 00:29:06,000 It generated two songs that gave me an option to pick and it would have generated more if I just click the button. 103 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:27,000 So if I did not necessarily have a moral compass in the course of a day, I could probably generate easily a hundred children song. 104 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:51,000 The next step of the hustle was to go to a video site and then cut and paste the lyrics, a couple lyrics at a time to generate images to accompany the lyrics. 105 00:29:51,000 --> 00:30:16,000 And then put it all together and the complete scenario was a two minute video that played like anything else that you would probably ignore completely because it seemed completely normal and made by whomever. 106 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:34,000 So all I'm saying is that artificial intelligence is a useful technology. 107 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:52,000 And you think about it for those who play video games, if you play any sports games like a Y2K, the commentators are calling the games as you're playing it. 108 00:30:52,000 --> 00:31:17,000 That's AI. They're telling you the scores from the sporting event the night before. It's giving you real life stats and real life history and real life antidotes in conjunction with a video game. 109 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:46,000 Applications used on your phone, information gathered, assimilated, put it out there for people to consume, writing codes, helping you with your assignments, your works, whether you are a health care professional to a student, to a curious person. 110 00:31:46,000 --> 00:32:14,000 Whenever I have questions about programming or getting something done quickly, I literally tell my ChatGPT on my phone to tell me like I'm to explain it to me like I'm a novice and it gives me step by step instructions. 111 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:22,000 Legal questions, publishing questions, conflict of interest questions. 112 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:44,000 It is a resource that is necessarily there to aid you and help you. But I do see the problem side of it. 113 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:56,000 I could technically do what a creative does in a fraction of the time. 114 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:24,000 And I looked up the legal copyright rights of it and the person who created the prompt and created the product holds the rights to basically put that song out and collect the revenue and the way AI works is that 115 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,000 it generates a one of a kind 116 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:41,000 piece of material, whether it be art or music that technically there is only one of them. 117 00:33:41,000 --> 00:34:10,000 I'm sure I did hear stories that there was a music AI program that actually put a DJ tag over the music because that was the music that it was learning from and it dropped several times. 118 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,000 So, 119 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:23,000 what are your thoughts on AI and the creative field? 120 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Why make music episode 25 Artificial Intelligence Artificial Life? 121 00:34:40,000 --> 00:35:08,000 Do you think in your life, it is something that is a necessity to utilize? Do you think it's good? I guess it depends on what you do in your daily everyday life. 122 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,000 I find it to be helpful. 123 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:23,000 I'm not afraid of the future and will AI take over? Don't get me wrong. 124 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:50,000 I've fallen down plenty of rabbit holes, looking at AI robots and AI weapon guided systems and the things that it can do and possibly make 125 00:35:50,000 --> 00:36:04,000 your mind spin because I can't say whether it's totally good or totally bad. It's not my place. 126 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:21,000 All I know is that it's crazy. There is another app that I'm playing around with. It's a program from ACE Studio. 127 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:41,000 And what you can do is import your vocals from your song. And once you import the vocals over to the program, 128 00:36:41,000 --> 00:37:03,000 it will transfer the audio wave into MIDI signals and then it allows you to utilize a AI generated voice. 129 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:15,000 And it has countless amount of vocals and styles and you can adjust it and you can change it and so forth and so on. 130 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:36,000 You have to try it and give it a shot and see. I don't know. I am not going to criticize anything that is being done and put out there 131 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:56,000 because the thing is I don't know who is utilizing this technology, who's not utilizing this technology as a movie goer, 132 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:08,000 as a fan of film. I know AI can be used to cut the production time of doing special effects. 133 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:25,000 I know that in customer service, more likely you are interacting with a AI generated customer service representative. 134 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:45,000 So I as a creative, I say learn, learn about it because I guess the same way that more traditional musicians, 135 00:38:45,000 --> 00:39:05,000 like I guess when I was a younger guy and I was playing actual instruments and recording on to tape and lo and behold, 136 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:20,000 digital workstations appear, keyboards that had hundreds and hundreds of sound, all the rolling keyboards and Yamahas 137 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:35,000 and synthesizers that came and I'm sure older musicians looked at that and thought, oh, that's not the way to go. 138 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:52,000 You saw the fall of I guess the traditional recording studio when people started using computers and laptops and virtual tracks 139 00:39:52,000 --> 00:40:09,000 that could be countless and you can't run from technology, I guess long story short, so I will keep educating myself 140 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:26,000 and I would encourage you no matter what you do in your life to do the same. Don't say something is bad or good 141 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:44,000 if you don't necessarily know how it really affects you in your life. Now, shit, if times got really crazy 142 00:40:44,000 --> 00:41:01,000 or I really had a lot of extra time on my hands and I thought that there was a market for cheesy songs and whatever, 143 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:16,000 maybe I would sit back and spend a month and get my slave on and try to generate as many children's songs 144 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:28,000 because I know when my kids were little we'd listen to a ton of songs about numbers, ABCs as part of the learning experience. 145 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:48,000 I never questioned who wrote these songs or if these were legitimate songs, but all I know that me personally ThinkTimm T-H-I-N-K-T-I-M-M 146 00:41:48,000 --> 00:42:03,000 as I tried to generate a organic following, it would hurt my feelings, it would hurt me to my soul 147 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:26,000 if I were to create a YouTube channel or a social media channel and generate AI content and if I sold or out marketed my own original content 148 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:48,000 it's something to think about because I see artwork that has been generated by AI and the sites I go, I scroll to the very first image 149 00:42:48,000 --> 00:43:01,000 and I look at that very first date on that image and that date might not be more than 6 months ago, 7 months ago 150 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:19,000 and then I look at the followers and they have 250,000 followers based upon AI generated artwork 151 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:36,000 speaking of artwork, this is my shirt, this is one of my think-tim boombox guides available on Tee-Public and Threadless.com 152 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:51,000 you know for humans, life's a hustle, I don't know, maybe I should try, what'd I say, I'm trying to crack the code 153 00:43:51,000 --> 00:44:07,000 maybe I need that hack, maybe I need to get my meal on like I'm in the Matrix, maybe I need to really just think like, maybe perhaps 154 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:22,000 it shouldn't matter what you do as long as you do well and succeed, I don't know, sometimes I think there's a moral code that you should live by 155 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:37,000 and you should stick to your guns, now, incorporating things, listen, I don't know, it's just a wild wild west out there and 156 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:52,000 far be it, I don't wanna be left behind, I'm already old and I'm already gray and I might be having a midlife crisis, I don't know 157 00:44:52,000 --> 00:45:10,000 I was thinking about that the other day, am I having a midlife crisis, that's crazy to think about, well anyway, ThinkTimm, this was episode 25 158 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:33,000 Why Make Music,, Artificial Intelligence, Artificial Life, live your life