1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,000 Yes. 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Oh. 3 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,000 Oh. 4 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Mic check. 5 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,000 WDMN. 6 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Welcome to Why Make Music... 7 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:31,000 A broadcast where we dive into the world of creativity and inspiration. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Welcome to Why Make Music. 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,000 As it. 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Make music. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Why make music? 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Why make music? 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Why? 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 Why? 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Why? 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Why? 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Why make music? 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Welcome to Why Make Music. 19 00:00:52,000 --> 00:01:02,000 I'm your host, ThinkTimm. 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:11,000 That's T-H-I-N-K-T-I-2-M's T-H-I-N-K-T-I-M-M. 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Why make music... 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:21,000 The statement, the question, the podcast. 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Welcome to episode 13. 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:45,000 In this episode, we're going to dive into the deep dive into the discography of a producer 25 00:01:45,000 --> 00:02:02,000 that I admire greatly that I will most definitely say changed the direction of modern music 26 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 as we know it. 27 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:15,000 His collaborations with so many artists in the music industry. 28 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,000 It's almost countless. 29 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:33,000 And I personally feel as though this producer does not get all the credit that he deserves. 30 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Maybe within the industry most definitely. 31 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:43,000 I know that he is always, always. 32 00:02:43,000 --> 00:03:01,000 His name is probably on the tip of every tongue of every modern producer that does hip hop, pop, R&B, 33 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 anything popular. 34 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,000 But I just don't hear people talking about him the way they used to. 35 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:14,000 So this is me shouting out the big homie. 36 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Yup, yup. 37 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Teddy Riley. 38 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:24,000 But before I get into that, let's reintroduce the podcast. 39 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Why Make Music... is a platform that I like to use to let you into the creative process of me, 40 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:48,000 ThinkTimm, a independent, non-associated, distributed via United Masters, 41 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:54,000 distributed on SoundCloud too. 42 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:00,000 All of the major streaming platforms. 43 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Apple Music, Spotify, iHeartRadio, your social media, TikTok, Instagram. 44 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:20,000 I don't know if Twitter has a dedicated music thing or X as it's called currently. 45 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:27,000 YouTube, YouTube Music, ThinkTimm on YouTube. 46 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:38,000 They have a topic section that basically just plays all the tracks off all the projects I released. 47 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:49,000 And currently we are sitting on 72 tracks available, three projects. 48 00:04:49,000 --> 00:05:04,000 The first one is Demotional, Caught, Feelings, 26 Songs, titles from A to Z, with names about emotions. 49 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Project number two is Beatanicals. 50 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:20,000 That's like beat as in musical beat. Botanicals like flowers, Booming Bouquet. 51 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:28,000 All the songs are named after flowers, like the botanical gardens. 52 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:34,000 That's also 26 tracks from A to Z. 53 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:41,000 The newest addition to the collection is SuperlaBass. 54 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Reality Affect. Not effect, but a-fect. 55 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,000 How does that, how does Reality Affect you? 56 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:02,000 That's an Affect anyway, not causing the effect, but the Affect, Affection. 57 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:11,000 That's 26 also, so that's August, September, and October. 58 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Check out in a couple of weeks. 59 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Number four is dropping, be on the lookout. 60 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:44,000 But anywho, to all the creative people out there, I'm talking about the producers that are in their home studios, on their laptops, their tablets, their phones, their PCs, their Apples, their intels, their M1, M2, M3, about the cop that M4 chip. 61 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Anywho, people in your basements, your closets, your cars, your porches, your decks, your vacation homes. 62 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:06,000 No matter how great, no matter how small, the thought begins with you. 63 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:17,000 That's one thing that I believe a creative person a lot of times is not given credit for. 64 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Do you realize that every thought that ever has been thought comes from a person that has an idea and feels the need, the necessity to make that idea a reality? 65 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Music, art, inventions, everything you see started as an idea, unless you're talking about nature and of course things just happen over time, I guess. 66 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,000 But enough about me ranting about craziness. 67 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:16,000 Let's talk about the history of one of the greatest producers to ever walk this round blue planet. 68 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:30,000 This dude is the epitome of cool, calm, well put together, well presented music. 69 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:46,000 I first was introduced to Teddy Riley's music, as everybody was in the mid to late 80s. 70 00:08:46,000 --> 00:09:04,000 I'm from Philadelphia, so the radio stations here were dominated by the R&B sensation, hip hop sensations of the late 80s. 71 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:18,000 You know when Bobby Brown first popped out and he began dropping hits after leaving New Edition, 72 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Bobby Brown put out some songs that were produced by a producer that was at that time so cutting edge to combine the hip hop essentials that we were hearing in rap music with the flow of R&B. 73 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Bobby, my prerogative was a banger of the song. 74 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Do you understand what my prerogative did for Bobby Brown? 75 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:09,000 My prerogative, don't be cruel. 76 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Listen, despite how Bobby's life has evolved over a period of time, there's no denying that we all, if we were alive, if we were young at that time, we're highly into it. 77 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:40,000 But not about the artist, I'm talking about the producer, the man, the one and only Teddy Riley. 78 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Now Teddy Riley was, I do believe he was born in New York, from Harlem I believe, and I think eventually he might have set up shop in Virginia Beach, if I'm not mistaken. 79 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:17,000 I'm wrong, I'm not a biographically correct person all the time, but yeah, this dude has done a lot for the music game. 80 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:34,000 So Teddy Riley, everything from Rex in effect to, I'm gonna go back farther, Redhead, Kingpin, Heavy D and the boys, Keith Sweat, I'll be sure. 81 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:53,000 This dude was laying down tracks, he is the architect of, wait, hold it, pause, dot dot dot, let's give it its round of do. 82 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,000 New Jack Swing. 83 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 What? 84 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:06,000 You created a whole genre of music. 85 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:22,000 You created a complete movement of creativity to change the music industry as we know it today. 86 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:31,000 New Jack Swing, created by Teddy Riley. 87 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Now don't get me wrong, I know when you dive deeper into it, I do believe originally, Teddy Riley had a partner that he worked with. 88 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:56,000 And there's nothing wrong with that. 89 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:05,000 But I am going to talk about Teddy Riley. 90 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:16,000 No shade to, I think the young man's name is, or now he's a older gentleman, Timmy Gatlin. 91 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:28,000 They put together a group called Guy, and Guy was killing it. 92 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Guy, we're talking 1986, 87. 93 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:48,000 I was a young man, Groove me, Teddy's Jam. 94 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Oh my God. 95 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,000 They were killing it. 96 00:13:53,000 --> 00:14:22,000 They were the prototype that was followed by the whole entire music industry, especially in R&B and hip hop because at that time, that was before, matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, they were one of the first major groups that was heading up 97 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:30,000 uptown records by, that was ran by Andre Harrell. 98 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:48,000 Uptown records, if you know anything about uptown records, uptown records had Heavy D, Father MC, eventually became Mary J Blige, 99 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Sean Puffy, Diddy Combs. 100 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Listen, it's 2024. 101 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:24,000 The things I'm saying have a long standing history in music industry, and no matter what anyone does right or wrong in their life. You cannot deny the effect that they had on the culture of music, period, point blank. 102 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Our bodies perfect and people only do what they do. 103 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Humans, that's what we are. We are flawed beings, we are creative beings and if you dig deep enough, you won't find some bodies. 104 00:15:46,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Teddy Riley, Uptown Records guy. This dude took programming, keyboard playing, the, you know, the Roger Troutman, Roger Troutman, Zapp Band, 105 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Riles Roger Trapman, the little vocal, little tube in the mouth, singing, playing the keys, the predecessor to the auto-tune, Groovin' Baby, Tonight, Guy, Big Daddy Kane, Let's Work. 106 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Man, I'm being honest with you. 107 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,000 As I was 108 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,000 looking through 109 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Teddy Riley's discography. 110 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,000 It was like a walk down memory lane. 111 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Now, I'm being honest with you. 112 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:20,000 I did put together a more structured script and I'm looking over and I'm perusing it as I'm talking to you guys, but 113 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,000 I don't understand 114 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 why 115 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Teddy Riley is not 116 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:41,000 Harold is the greatest person in the world. As far as not. I'm like, don't get me wrong. I'm like, I'm being honest. I'm like, I have my 117 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:50,000 hierarchy of music creators and of course, you know, I told you that 118 00:17:50,000 --> 00:18:04,000 I have my higher ups and I have my tier of whatever and I feel as though that if you create and you make something and it's bouncing and it's good and it's banging and people like it. 119 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:12,000 It's a great thing. But then every now and again, you come across 120 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:18,000 the creative genius force of a person. 121 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000 You have your Prince's. 122 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:27,000 You have your Quincy Jones RIP Quincy. 123 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:35,000 You have your 124 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:46,000 George Clinton. I'm like, I'm going deep into just regular funk. You know, you had George Clinton that say he'll put a track down and tell somebody to come over and pee on it. 125 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Send it around, bounce it from place to place and you come up with a cohesive jam. 126 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Teddy Riley. Teddy's jam. One, two, three. Teddy Riley. I ain't gonna lie to you. Teddy Riley. When I was younger when I listened to the material he was putting out in the 80s. 127 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Teddy Riley was so fly that he took a song that he did on a How We Sure album and basically it was the same exact music and same structure and flipped it on to a guy album. 128 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:35,000 And it worked, man. You understand this is a dude who has innovated the whole entire music industry. 129 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:45,000 The reason why I say that is because think about it. If you don't know about New Jack Swing. 130 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:51,000 I'm sure you've heard of New Jack City. 131 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Could you imagine being a record producer. 132 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,000 A record artist. 133 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,000 One of the most acclaimed producers of your time. 134 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:12,000 And I got the New Jack Swing. You created that. 135 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:24,000 You have young up and coming producers that are learning on the fly to do what you're doing in real time. 136 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:38,000 And not only are you dominating the music charts, not only are you making music that people really, really want to hear. 137 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:49,000 And you're writing songs that are really making the impact. 138 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:59,000 You have Hollywood taps, Ice T, from the West Coast. 139 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:05,000 I can't think of the boy's name that played the other detective. 140 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:11,000 And then you had Mario Van Peeples. 141 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:22,000 New Jack Swing, Wesley Snipes, New Jack City, Nino Brown. 142 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Whether it was fictional, semi-autobiographical for the time because that was the story of the inner city and how hustling was going on. 143 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:44,000 But it was monumental to the culture of hip hop and music. 144 00:21:44,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Where you had a combination of a good story laid over great music inspired by the New Jack Swing era of music created by Teddy Riley. 145 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:15,000 I don't know, should I go back and put like audio effects over this? Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. 146 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:25,000 I'm fanboying over this because you would think that I'm like, oh, introducing soon, Teddy Riley is going to be here to speak. 147 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000 No, it's not going to happen. I have no problem like that. 148 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:50,000 I'm just doing my proper due and saying that as a independent writer, songwriter, producer, working by myself at that time, I told you. 149 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:59,000 My man, P-R-I-N-C-E Prince was doing it by himself. 150 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Then as music starts to change, another person comes in and changes the game and the same way Prince worked with groups and created groups in the early 80s, late 70s, the time. 151 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Vanity Six, Appollonia Six, writing for Sheena Easton. I appreciated Sheena E. Glamorous Life. 152 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:59,000 Listen, I appreciated all the spin-offs and all the people who tried to sound like that. But at the same point, we all know that Prince music is a real acquired taste that it did not necessarily, no matter how great it was, 153 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:20,000 it did not necessarily have the impact that New Jack Swing had on it. Now, granted, granted, it did create Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis that went on to produce for Janet Jackson and countless other people. 154 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:48,000 It wouldn't have, like if you go down the, I guess you want to say the master and apprentice line of legacy of who begot who, when you go back, I think that the Teddy Riley lineage is just as impactful as the Prince lineage. 155 00:24:48,000 --> 00:25:10,000 The reason being is that Teddy Riley begot Guy, begot Heavy B, Big Daddy Kane, Wreck n Effect, you understand, BlackStreet. 156 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:29,000 BlackStreet went on to do No Diggity. That's a collaboration with Dr. Dre. That's another connective tissue in the lineage of the music. 157 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:47,000 If you don't understand what it is, that when I believe it might have been, I can't remember when that album came out. I think it was like in the early 90s. 158 00:25:47,000 --> 00:26:00,000 It was Michael Jackson's Dangerous. I think Teddy Riley produced at least seven songs on it. 159 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:23,000 And as you know, I've said it before during the podcast, as great of an entertainer that Michael Jackson was, I think the producers were very integral in his career. 160 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Prior to Dangerous, I do believe the three albums before that was Bad, Thriller and Off the Wall. 161 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:54,000 And they were headed by Quincy Jones. And currently in 2024, we just lost Quincy Jones and his legacy continues. 162 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:15,000 But you hear him talk about how he added things to the ideas that Michael Jackson may have had, or he guided Michael Jackson vocally to do what he did. 163 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:38,000 So MJ may not necessarily have been the driving force behind his tracks completely. But then you have a situation that is basically coming into Mike needed a new sound. 164 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:52,000 Teddy Riley had the hot sound. If I'm not mistaken, Mike dropped the bag. Teddy Riley got the bag. 165 00:27:52,000 --> 00:28:05,000 And production credit. Think about living off the royalties of a Michael Jackson album. Good or bad or indifferent. 166 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:16,000 Mike is one of the highest selling people in the music industry still years and years and years after his death. 167 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:26,000 Beatles, Elvis, Mike. No matter how you feel about it, you can't not great this. 168 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:37,000 Tagged into that greatness is Teddy Riley. Remember the time. You understand? 169 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,000 Jam. 170 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:46,000 Do you remember that track? Jam? 171 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:57,000 The video had Michael Jackson and Michael Jordan playing basketball. 172 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:17,000 Is that not the craziest thing in the world? No matter how you look at it, Teddy Riley's influence on the music industry has changed everything so much. 173 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:28,000 Remember the time, the video, Eddie Murphy, the Egyptian situation, the dance number, the keyboard line. 174 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Remember that you get it. Listen, I'm not even a Michael Jackson fan like that. But that song moved me. 175 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:50,000 It's not about the vocals. I'm like, it's the music. And even if it is the vocals, it's the whole package. That's what a producer does. 176 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:59,000 The producer puts together such a project that it engulfs everything. 177 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Remember the jaw in the closet? I'm like, there were countless tracks on there that Michael Jackson killed because I want to say it's because of Teddy Riley. 178 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:34,000 Teddy Riley was aware of how good he was because if you listen to the one song that you know that we all love whenever it comes on, 179 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:48,000 Wrecks n Effect, Rump Shaker, which was like a chill, laid back, kind of like very braggadocios Rump Shaker. 180 00:30:48,000 --> 00:31:16,000 I'm like, it didn't have to be the most lyrically driven track, but the beat, what we were dealing with was amazing. It was put together so well that when Teddy Riley basically came out with his verse on 181 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:28,000 the Rump Shaker track, he was basically just given a resume of the acts that he was working with. 182 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:49,000 I'm like, who does that in such a way that you sit back and think like, oh damn, I got, and he just ran down the list of people that he worked with. 183 00:31:49,000 --> 00:32:08,000 It was ingenious. It was such a swag before there was swag. It was such a situation that you have to sit back and say, okay, now mind you, this is before what we have now. 184 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:25,000 This is before all the social media and everything's in your face. This dude did this through traditional means of distribution and record deals. 185 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:50,000 He worked with SWV, Sisterhood of Voices, I got really messed it up. And if I'm not mistaken, because of the connection with Michael Jackson, that was one of the first songs that actually really sampled the MJ track, the Human Nature dip with the SWV song. 186 00:32:50,000 --> 00:33:12,000 So business wise, this dude was really on the top of his game. You know, Rump Shaker, Wreck n Effect, New Jack Swing. I got the New Jack Swing. 187 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:29,000 But listen, I'm just going to tell you straight off the bat. We need to figure out what direction we're going to go into. 188 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:43,000 I say that because I am trying to be a positive at all times person. 189 00:33:43,000 --> 00:34:00,000 And I think that we need tons and tons and tons, millions of creators to move this world forward. 190 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,000 Seriously. 191 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000 What are we going to do? 192 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:28,000 How are you? If you are listening to this podcast, and you're not just a friend of mine or someone who knows me as a person and you are listening because you just like, hey, I'm gonna listen to ThinkTimm and see what's up. 193 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:38,000 If you are a creative person, listen man, we man, woman, girl, child, grandma, grandpa. 194 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,000 You can never stop being creative. Think about it. 195 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:49,000 Quincy Jones was what, 81 years old? Man, that's a life. 196 00:34:49,000 --> 00:35:07,000 Yes. Creative people, creativity does not go away. If you were creating when you were 14, 15, you're going to be creating when you're 84, 85. If that's what you do, that's what you do. 197 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,000 Teddy Riley is still a force today. 198 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:19,000 He might be laid back living a very chill, quiet life. 199 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:27,000 I'm sure he's doing something. I'm going to use this technology that we have called the internet. 200 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:44,000 Let's see. Let's find out what is Teddy Riley doing currently, live right now. What projects is he working on currently as we speak. So we go to the good old internet. 201 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:59,000 And it's like as of lately, let's see what we got going on. Who do we know right now? So you understand he didn't did the boy groups. He didn't did Madonna. 202 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,000 Teddy Riley has stepped into the Korean music market. 203 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,000 He's worked with rapper Jay Park. 204 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:20,000 Never heard of a guy, but you understand, stepped into the Korean music market. That's K-pop. 205 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:32,000 It's amazing. Amazing what people can do, what music can do. And it's never going to go away. 206 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:38,000 That's the thing. Never going to go away. 207 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Residuals, payments forever. 208 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Listen man, I'm looking at this list. If I pause, it's because I'm just sitting there thinking like come on Mel B, Monifa. 209 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Oh my God, they have plenty soundtrack. 210 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:09,000 Guys, the greatest hits of DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, Payla Ball. 211 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:22,000 Rush Hour movie soundtracks. Listen, for all you Shaq fans out there, he worked on the Steel soundtrack. 212 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:33,000 It's funny when you sit back and think like all the things that music can do for you and where it could take you. 213 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:48,000 It is literally amazing because we as creative people make music. 214 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,000 So you imagine where would you bump into a Teddy rally at? 215 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,000 Maybe you're traveling or whatever and there's a hotel lobby or something. 216 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:07,000 And by chance you guys have a chance to share an elevator or by chance. 217 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:15,000 However, this is what I'm talking about. This is why the podcast is called Why Make Music. 218 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,000 I think it should be a segment somewhere. 219 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:28,000 I think it should be a question asked by every talk show host, every radio host. 220 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:35,000 And I think that we should coin the phrase, why make music? 221 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,000 Pause. That, that, that. 222 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:44,000 And let the person talk and let them speak and let them tell you their story. 223 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,000 Could you imagine? So you see Teddy Riley. 224 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:59,000 This is a basically city grown genius. 225 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:10,000 You're going to ask him after he's been in the music business now for easily 40 years. 226 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:19,000 And he's easily still doing it. And he's probably one of the baddest dudes out there. 227 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:28,000 You say, Mr. Riley, Ted, why, why make music? What drives you to make music? 228 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:35,000 Could you imagine that answer? My answer is passionate. 229 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:43,000 And I haven't done anything. I have not gained anything from this. It's coming. 230 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000 It's coming. 231 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:51,000 But could you imagine when you have 40 years of success, 232 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:58,000 you have worked with the greatest artists in the music business, 233 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:09,000 you have submitted a term, a phrase, not everyone, not many people. 234 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:21,000 I might listen. Seriously. Who coined hip hop? Cool Herc? 235 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,000 Who was the first person to say hip hop? 236 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:37,000 Who coined the phrase hip hop? Who coined the term hip hop? 237 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,000 This is what I'm talking about right here. It says, Keef Cowboy, 238 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,000 a rapper with Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five was credited with the term 239 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,000 and release to hip hop as we know it today. 240 00:40:52,000 --> 00:41:01,000 Although it is not documented, Lovebug Starski, Keef Cowboy, 241 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:08,000 and DJ Hollywood used the term when music was still known as disco rap. 242 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000 Did you know that? Did you know that? I didn't know that. 243 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000 I just looked it up just now on the fly. 244 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:25,000 And guess what? If I say New Jack Swing, you know it's Teddy Riley. 245 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,000 If I say who created the term rock and roll, you don't know. 246 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:38,000 If I say who created the term funk, y'all better say George Clinton. 247 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:45,000 If I say who coined the term disco, I don't know. 248 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:58,000 But you know for a fact that New Jack Swing was created by Teddy Riley. 249 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,000 Right? Am I right? Am I wrong? 250 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:16,000 So I'm just trying to basically bring attention to the person who also had influence 251 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:25,000 because I tell you, like I said, with the invention of synthesizers, keyboards, 252 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:35,000 drum machines, as a hobbyist musician working by themselves 253 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:45,000 and getting away from traditional instruments, meaning live instruments, drums, 254 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,000 bass guitars, guitars, and so on. 255 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:59,000 You find yourself gravitating towards the music that you like of the time. 256 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,000 I grew up in Philadelphia. 257 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,000 Like I said, I listen to all types of music. 258 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:25,000 But outside of my core programming, which is everything, you still have the major parts of what you can relate to. 259 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:36,000 And you find commonality and creative people that are doing what you want to do. 260 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:43,000 The thing is, you have to, I know it sounds corny, but it's true. 261 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:50,000 You have to see that it can be done to make your reality a reality. 262 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:59,000 No one somewhere might hear this and sit back and think like, oh, man, I wish I could get a group together. 263 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,000 I want to make some music. 264 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:08,000 And if I only had to find some folks to play this and to find some folks to do that. 265 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:14,000 And if I could find a singer and if only I had whatever. 266 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000 Don't make excuses, man. 267 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,000 Don't make man, girl, woman, or boy, man, woman. 268 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,000 If you're 70 years old and you want to drop an EP or an album, you knock it out. 269 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000 You go for it. 270 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:41,000 Because what I'm telling you is that there are so many people that are here in the world today that make excuses. 271 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:48,000 But technology is leading the way. You can do this on your own. 272 00:44:48,000 --> 00:45:01,000 You don't have to wait for people to be available for you to catch up, make time for you. 273 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:08,000 You can do it. You could be the one answering the question. Why make music? 274 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:14,000 You could be the one making music and asking other people why they make music. 275 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,000 Something that anyone says will inspire you. 276 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:30,000 I just want to give props to the people who created music that I like to listen to. 277 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000 I ain't going to lie to you. 278 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:38,000 I want to go and tell you the greatest thing I heard. 279 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:54,000 Now, I'm going to tie in a segue to put the two things together because I know if you're listening to this and you're like, 280 00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:05,000 Okay, man. Okay, Timm. Okay, ThinkTimm. You're talking all this Teddy Riley's great. 281 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,000 And a couple weeks ago, you were saying Prince is great. 282 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,000 I'm not knocking fandom. 283 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:29,000 I am a Prince enthusiast super enthusiast greatest person ever, ever, ever, ever. 284 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:36,000 I'm like, I want to say that he was so good. He influenced people that existed before him. 285 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:42,000 Prince is one of those people that transcends time. 286 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:54,000 But everybody influences other people and everybody is influenced by other people. 287 00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:02,000 The reason why I say that is because to me as a Prince fan, 288 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:18,000 it was very, very humbling to me as a Prince fan in the 1990s in the kind of the 289 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,000 new jack swing era has taken over the airwaves. 290 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:34,000 You got to understand the first CD that I purchased was a CD and maybe 1990 91. 291 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,000 It was a CD single. 292 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,000 It was a CD single by the singer. 293 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,000 And this is it. I'm telling you, I listened to everything. 294 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:58,000 So Jane Childs, this was a young woman, long hair, kind of braided dreaded twisted something. 295 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,000 A song called "Don't Want To Fall in Love". 296 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:16,000 And that CD single were a bunch of Teddy Riley, new jack swing remixes. 297 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:24,000 Had nothing to do with guy had nothing to do with R&B had nothing to do with hip hop. 298 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:34,000 At that point, I realized that the growth of music transcends all types of cultures 299 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:48,000 and what we're being fed by the radio stations may not necessarily be what people are into personally 300 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:57,000 because I'm sure someone had to sign off on this Jane Childs remix knowing that, oh, 301 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:09,000 this is going to take her music to a different audience in a different genre of listeners. 302 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:20,000 So Google Jane Childs I don't want to fall in love Teddy Riley remixes to get back on the story. 303 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,000 I kind of get off track for a second there. 304 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:42,000 But in 1990, maybe 94 or so, maybe 92 to 94, it was a song called "Acknowledge Me". 305 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:52,000 It was written, produced and arranged and performed by Prince. 306 00:49:52,000 --> 00:50:06,000 And it was straightly, completely influenced by the new jack swing era of music. 307 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:12,000 So no hate, no shade. 308 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,000 People are great. 309 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:23,000 And when you do something that's good, it spills over to other people. 310 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:36,000 So I want you to understand that you as a listener, you have to listen to everything. 311 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:45,000 Earlier in one of the episodes of the podcast, I talked about music stats. 312 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:59,000 And I go back to it because I think preparing for that episode, I became overwhelmed by the amount of information 313 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:11,000 because they say in your lifetime, in a person's lifetime, you, you can never name them. 314 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:17,000 You hear over a million songs in your lifetime. 315 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:26,000 Out of those million songs, what can you name 500 songs? 316 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:33,000 Can you name a hundred songs off the top of your head? 317 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,000 It's an amazing thing. 318 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:50,000 So I say that because I want you as a lover of music, as a creator of music, to think about it. 319 00:51:50,000 --> 00:52:14,000 These creators that are put out for us to listen to by the programmers, the playlist makers, the people who curate the music industry nowadays, 320 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:29,000 that marketing agencies, ad agencies, music supervisors, that pick songs that are good, that pick songs that are good, 321 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:36,000 that basically become like an earworm in your head. 322 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:43,000 There are so many songs that you'll never, never hear. 323 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,000 Expand your range. 324 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,000 Just you personally, not everybody. 325 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,000 Everyone can't listen to everything, but think about it. 326 00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:01,000 If you like one thing, you don't have to listen to it all the time. 327 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000 You can listen to other things, give other things a chance. 328 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:09,000 There's a lot of cool music out there. 329 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaking of which, shout out to Annieplaysguitar on social media. 330 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,000 This is a young lady from England. 331 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:28,000 I'm not sure what part of England, but she is a phenomenal guitar player. 332 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:39,000 I say that because of a couple years back, I got a Annie teaches guitar package that she was putting out, 333 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:52,000 which came with almost like a textbook written guide for guitar playing along with a four part video. 334 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:58,000 I got this back in 2021. 335 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:08,000 I had it on the hard drive and the hard drive crashed and I didn't have access to the video footage of it. 336 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,000 Earlier this week, I emailed her and told her, 337 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:24,000 not only do I follow you on social media, and we've chatted back and forth a few times as far as saying, 338 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:30,000 yo, what you doing this fire or just, you know, how sometimes somebody leaves a comment or whatever. 339 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:37,000 So like she's not super duper famous, unreachable, but she's on tour with a band right now. 340 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:45,000 If you go follow her on social media, but she is one another one of those don't say it can't be done by yourself 341 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:52,000 because she writes and she plays and she sings and she produces and her music sounds cool, really good. 342 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:57,000 But she sent me the four videos that I lost without a problem. 343 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:03,000 And it took less than 24 hours via email. Hit me up. 344 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,000 She gave me the Google Drive links and said, don't worry about downloading. 345 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,000 You have access to the Google Drive. So shout out to you, Annie. 346 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:23,000 I know you're listening, but because I'm not nobody and nobody's listening to ThinkTimm, but people who know ThinkTimm. 347 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:31,000 I say that to say, listen, everybody can make music. 348 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,000 Everybody can do it. 349 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:44,000 It doesn't have to be the same 10, 20, 50 people. 350 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:55,000 The other day I was watching Dancing with the Stars and they celebrated their 500 episode 351 00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:09,000 and they came on and they danced to Crazy in Love, the track that was produced by Rich Harrison. 352 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:15,000 And they said, oh, 20. No. 353 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:21,000 I don't know if it was 20 years ago, but yeah, I guess it had to be about 20 years ago because 354 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:28,000 that's when the track originally came out 20 years ago was Dangerous in Love. 355 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,000 2003, I believe. 356 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:38,000 But they basically think about it. 357 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:45,000 If Crazy in Love came on today, you will still be dancing to it. 358 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,000 And these artists are still popular. 359 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:55,000 At the same point for every crazy in love. 360 00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:09,000 There's like 500, 600, a thousand tracks that are just as good as you because you listen to the program music that people program for you 361 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,000 that you don't get a chance to listen to. 362 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:19,000 Shout out to Rich Harrison, producer extraordinaire. 363 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:24,000 Once again, you made your mark with one song, one sound. 364 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:30,000 And your family is probably set for the rest of their existence because of that. 365 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,000 I admire those type of things and I think they should be shouted out. 366 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:41,000 Shout out to Teddy Riley, the Riley family, the Riley legacy. 367 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:50,000 Shout out to all the new Jack Swing followers and new Jack Swing disciples. 368 00:57:50,000 --> 00:58:10,000 Shout out to, did you know, did I say that another person that Teddy Riley worked with or basically mentored at a very early age was the one and only. 369 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,000 Are you ready for it? 370 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,000 I do believe it was Pharrell Williams. 371 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,000 Pharrell Williams. 372 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:34,000 And Teddy Riley, if I'm not mistaken, Pharrell Williams had a very integral part in making Rump Shaker. 373 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,000 How you like that? 374 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,000 That's the Virginia Beach connection. 375 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:49,000 But anyway, my name is ThinkTimm and as always, you can catch me on my social medias, THINKTMM. 376 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:54,000 And remember, why make music? 377 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,000 It's a question. It's a statement. 378 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:06,000 It's something that you can always do and always depend on to start a conversation. 379 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,000 Ask someone, Why Make Music? 380 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,000 This is episode 13. 381 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:23,000 New Jack Swing. New Jack World. New Jack Mindset. 382 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:33,000 Thank you to the great Teddy Riley for sharing his idea with us so, so many years ago. 383 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:39,000 Thank you for making me like a Michael Jackson album. 384 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:51,000 Normally, if you ask me, I would say my number one favorite is Off The Wall, but it's closely followed by Dangerous. 385 00:59:51,000 --> 01:00:06,000 Peace.