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Welcome back to A-list talks. I'm Adam Armbruce, your host. I have with me an amazing woman,

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April Glasgow Jones. She's a name and a force to be reckoned with. I've known April for

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years. I was thrilled to have you. Welcome, April.

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Thank you so much.

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April heads up something called Second Chance Last Opportunity. She helps homeless women

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in trouble and dire straits. We're going to hear a lot about that. Families, people from

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all walks of life, they find April. And I want to find out how April finds them. But

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I want to also get to know April in a new and a deeper way. So April, welcome. And I

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want to ask you a first question. What's, if you had just put one word on yourself to

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describe who you are as a person, and they said put it in one word, what would the word

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be?

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Honesty. That word really sticks to me. It's best for me to be honest with the people that

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I'm working with. And first, I have to be honest with myself, to be prepared myself,

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to work with those that need that help or Second Chance.

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How do they find their way to you, April? I mean, they're in crisis. A lot of these women,

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especially, there's nowhere to go. How do they find you?

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Well, Second Chance has been around for a while. And as me being a former deputy sheriff

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in Manatee County, there's a lot of people that know me from that area of not having

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that opportunity to find their way to a positive atmosphere. And they just know that Second

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Chance is there to help them. And how they find me is through social media, from the

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community, we do a lot of outreach. A word of mouth.

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There's a lot of government organizations that, or, you know, they, that do this, do

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that, do these things, but you seem to fill a gap. Like they fall through the cracks somehow

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of some of these organizations. I'm sure they're all great organizations, but you stand alone

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in like, I'm just going to help you. No questions asked. How does that work exactly?

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I once was a Second Chance individual. That's how I started. That I wanted to give other

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people the opportunity to see themselves in a better place where at one time I wasn't

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there and letting them know that you can do it in spite of how you go through the challenges

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of life and what you have to deal with and feel like you stuck. So I look at them as

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if it was me and how can I help them when I had to help myself when I didn't have to

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help. So I'm there for those individuals that need help as well as families.

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Do you mind sharing that story about you said you used to be her?

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Yeah.

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Do you mind sharing that?

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Because the age of, let me see, maybe 18 years old, just trying to find who April was and

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what April wanted to do because I moved from New Jersey and all my family is from New Jersey.

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So I didn't know no one here in Sarasota. So I had to find new friends, find a new way

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of learning where I was at a new location. And at the age of 18, it just felt like I

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lost a way because then I had my family and I had the friends that I knew and I grew up

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with. And then I decided I was looking for love in all of our places, got involved with

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this relationship at the age of 19. And felt like I needed someone to love me for what

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I needed that love at that moment. But it wasn't true love. It was something that came

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by and gave me what I thought I needed. And I fell short in a relationship that ended

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up being in the marriage. So that marriage ended up being in a domestic violence situation

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where I struggled and followed what he wanted me to do. And he seemed me for what he can

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benefit from me. And because I was low key, I started off as a gospel artist in New Jersey.

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And I was in church all my life. So knowing the streets, I didn't know nothing about the

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streets. I never drank, I never smoked, never went to many places. I think I went to the

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bowling alley when I was young, but didn't have the opportunity to experience a lot of

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things on the life on the other side. I knew how to pray. I knew who God was. I knew where

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to run to with the church. And I knew the people that supported me was people in the

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church, Christians. But I never knew how can I survive when you dealing with situations

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outside of church. And I followed him and ended up being in a place that I didn't want

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to be and end up depressed. Gave a lot of weight. I was over 200 pounds and didn't know

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what love was. And I thought the love that he's supposed to teach me is the love that

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he wanted for himself. And then that's how I ended up in a situation that I wanted to

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turn that around. But the amazing part was I became a deputy sheriff in Amphic County

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and it helped me to learn how to fight, how to use the skills. And I had two girls at

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that time, two daughters, and they were young. And I didn't want my daughters to know that

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love was being abused. So I used the skills and I remember waking up one morning looking

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in the mirror and I said, I'm going to turn this around. And I just turned it around,

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turned it around. Then I ended up looking in the newspaper and it says self-defense.

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So I said, well, that was God teaching me, helping me, directing me, and restarting me

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to a new beginning of how to help myself in a time like this. So I became a deputy sheriff,

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went through the train, and graduated last, but I was, hey, I graduated, but I learned

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all the skills I need to. So the next time that he put his hands on me, I was able to

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fight back. The whole time I wasn't able to fight. I took it, took the abuse, and I

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will close the door and let him abuse me while my daughters was out there watching TV. So

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I took it until I got tired of it. So once I was able to gain support through the chef

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department, I told him, hey, I'm being abused. If I call you, come right away. So that's

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what happened. He started hitting me for no reason. He accused me, and he was in the house.

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All the lights was off, but he was behind the door that I didn't know that he was in

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the house. And as soon as I turned on the lights and went in the room, then he started

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hitting me. So he beat me so bad that, again, I shut the door and let him do what he had

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to do. And that was, you know, 9-1-1. And I took my fists, hit him as hard as I can,

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in places that you didn't want to hit. And he started running. I said, I'll describe

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his clothing and everything, and they got him. But you get tired of that. You get tired

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of the abuse. You get tired of the verbal abuse. You get tired of hearing repeatedly.

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You get fat. You're ugly. Nobody wants you. You have four kids. And I remember him being

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in the closet and just coming out, wanting to fight me and threw me in the closet. And

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my daughters was watching me. So many times I took the hits to protect my daughters, but

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I taught them that love was not being hit on. So I ended up being homeless for five years

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after that relationship. And my mom came and got me. And she said, I'm going to take care

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of you. And she ended up taking me to Sarasota and she took care of me, but didn't know that

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she was battered with cancer. She took care of me until she passed away. And it helped

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me to know that the love that you're looking for is a love that's so genuine that you shouldn't

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have to take abuse. You shouldn't have to be belittled by anyone. And use love for what

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it is and God is love. So if no one can give you the love that God gave you, that's not

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real love. So I went on and taught my daughters and from teaching my daughters, then I was

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able to let other people that came through second chance, especially ladies, that you

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can do all things without even allowing someone to treat you the way they want to treat you.

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You deserve the best. You deserve anything that comes your way. So that's how, you know,

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I just had to stand up for myself on earth the I am that I am. This is how I see myself.

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I see myself as the woman that I thought I couldn't be. I am that I am. I'm strong.

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I'm brilliant and powerful. I would no longer see myself the way people would want me to

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be. I am that I am. But it took that and how it came about was it flowed out my mouth to

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realize April, you have arrived to the point that you don't have to take that from anyone

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because you're better than that. You deserve whatever comes your way because you're a hard

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worker individual and you're strong in spite of anyone want to say you're not, but you

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are and you can do it.

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April, you went through could have broken women, could have broken most women. That's

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incredible amount of drama and abuse and depression. I'm like, my gosh, did you ever

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get a day away from that? I mean, what kept you striving forward when I think a lot of

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people would have just given up?

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I exercise a lot. I started exercising because when you're going through your innate depressed

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stage that you start gaining weight, I've gained a lot of weight, but I also had to

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find a place within me to say that you're not going to be stuck here because you have

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four daughters that have this watching you. So I exercise and and it came about and had

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a convenience store. And I did whatever I need to do to make it a meaningful life for

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me and not thinking that being in an abusive relationship or verbal relationship is that

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this is all you're going to go through because it's not. So my thing is help others to see

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that they are much better than what they feel like they're not. And I could tell them in

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my story, I have a story. You have a story.

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So when someone comes through your doorway, they're probably even nervous being there

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because when you're in these situations, right, he's back home in that case. She's nervous

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even being seen going in there is that could set him off. Yeah. How do you manage that

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that tension point when someone's walking in going, I got to get help here. And yet,

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you know, there's it's still going on behind the curtain, right? Yeah. What happens in

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those conversations when she comes to the door? Well, I can remember having 15 ladies

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in my office at one time, sign up for the class and everything. And the joy of them

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was molested at a young age and they were stuck at the age of eight, 12, 10. And so

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they felt like going through that, that will be the rest of their lives that have to be

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abused by other people that comes along with them. And it's not. So I literally had to sit

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these young ladies each, each one one at a time on my lap and give them a big teddy bear.

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And I had them to hug the teddy bear. And then I just spoke positive affirmation to them.

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I said, you okay? You're all right. Just forgive the person that did this to you. You're much

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bigger than that. And I had them to close their eyes and take a breather. It's going

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to be okay. And that was about 10 years ago for each of those ladies and they're doing

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good today. But they had to ask for forgiveness for themselves. And then write a letter to

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the person that abused them. So because they were taking abuse, being verbally abused and

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physical abuse from their boyfriends, their husbands. So you don't have to do that. You

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don't have to go for that. But it also was teaching me and helping me to see, hey, but

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you don't have to go for that. And I share a lot of the ladies today. It's like when

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I was going through, the streets taught me how to live and not die. Not die. Because I

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didn't know that life. All I knew was pray, cry out to the Lord, turn the other cheek,

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see it different. But it wasn't that. I needed something stronger than that. And the streets,

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those ladies in the streets that they was going through helped me to see April. You're

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much better than that. If they can go through it, you can go through it. But you have much

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more to be offered to you than them because you know God. They didn't. So now I'm able

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to pray with them and show them. You have something better out there than just thinking

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that you can find a man. And it's not about the man. It's about you and what you have

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for yourself and what you can do to make you a better person.

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Sounds like you're, you're helping them out of like emotional rut.

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It is emotional.

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I'm still eight years old, even though I'm 35, I'm eight. Is that kind of

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a thing? They're stuck at that age. When you be, when you abuse at the age of eight,

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maybe 12 at a young age, you're stuck, even though you're, you're an adult because you

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can't shake that abuse. It's traumatizing of what someone did to you and took advantage

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of you.

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What's the, the number one thing these women, it's many women, but it's families too. It's

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families and teenage and we have some men.

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Right, right. I've heard this from you. What's the number one thing they say to you after

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they go through a class or they start to, let's call it, get out of that rut? They're

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stuck. What do they say to you afterwards after they've been through this and you talk

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a year later, two years later, three years later? What do they say to you?

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I love you, Miss April. Thank you, Miss April. Can I volunteer? You know, what are you doing?

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You know, I want to be involved. They don't want to stop what they have been introduced

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to and they don't want to go away thinking that nothing can change their life, but you

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know, they connect themselves and you're always looking for someone to connect to that does

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positive things and they found something positive and they know that they get a second chance.

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You're quite a voice for this in our community. You've been on here on ABC 7 on Suncoast View.

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You're in podcasts all the time. You have big social media presence. Like you're pretty,

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at this point, you're pretty easy to find, but it wasn't always the case. I mean, years

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ago, you had a small, little, tiny, dark, dank office on a corner and now it's this incredible

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facility, but that's been a long journey. But how did you even get that started? Did

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you, how did you get a place to set up shop as it were, right? Like to talk to people?

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To my from the beginning? Well, the building was owned by my dad and he sold it. And I used

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to be across the street and I started off as a convenience store. Then I know how to

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sew. So I made a men's clothing, the shirt, pants, the shorts. I love art, so I draw a

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lot. So I did anything to be able to take care of my four daughters. Then I opened up.

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I had a situation where I took sick from all the hits in my head from my abused husband

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hitting in me in my head, just punching me and everything. I took sick one day and I

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could walk. Then I ended up passing out. But I was able to shake it. But that was in Braden.

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I ended up driving to my parents' house where my mom was living the next day. But I passed

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out in front of the house. They called the paramedics. And the paramedics came and rushed

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me straight to surgery. I was hemorrhaging. I was bleeding inside from all the hits,

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the abuse. They said, if I didn't make it, I wouldn't have been here. So I don't take

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it for granted for where I am today. I have a calling and a purpose of what I do. And

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I just enjoy it. And that's how second chance, I got a second chance. I'm alive. I'm living.

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I'm able to communicate, I'm able to talk. Like then I didn't have a voice. That voice

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was taken away from me. And then the experience and homelessness. I was homeless in the car

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for five years with my daughters. And didn't know how I was going to make it, how we was

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going to eat, how this is a lot. An unknown place. And I was able to get out of that.

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And then my father, he dreamt that I started an organization called Last Opportunity. He

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helped them, people in the community. So second chance, last opportunity came together for

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me getting a second chance at life. I don't take it for granted. The last opportunity came

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from my dad having a dream. And I cherish the calling. I honor my calling. And I have the

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purpose of enjoying my passion of helping people.

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It's got to be, you know, I always think like, like even just as psychologists, right? Nine

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to five all day, all you hear are problems. There's no jokes in there. How do you keep

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the energy up April? They don't, they're not bringing you solutions. They're bringing you

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problems all day long. How do you keep your own self full and spirit full during the day

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when they come in April, April I have a problem, April I have a problem. How do you do that?

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I look at each person as an angel with a person that you don't know for one day they will

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get up to help get, get where they are and they'll come back and help you. I look at

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each person as an angel. So when they come with a problem, I put myself as if I'm that

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person with the problem and just listen to what they're saying. Sometimes I utilize my

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gift that I do have. And then other times I just look at them and just wait until they

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can solve their own problem. Because you can't solve everybody's problem. When you, when

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a person hear themselves talk, they can answer their own question. You don't have to say

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much because they're the only one in the problem, the situation. 24 seven, that's you and your

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problem. That's your situation. So that means how do you get out the situation that you're

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in? What do you want to do because I'm not with you 24 seven. So they tell me what they

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want to do instead of me telling them what they should do because they were, they're

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the ones that have to make sure that they live accordingly to how they want to live.

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It's their story and how this story is going to end. It's up to them. If you want to continue

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staying in it, staying in it. I will have girls that come with black eyes and I said,

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well, you have to make a decision. Then they come to follow week another black guy. I said,

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why would you continue getting the black guy? What do you want me to say to you? I know

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it's a situation you have to decide how you're going to get out of it. But once you leave

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that relationship, you may show you go, you go and don't make sure you have a plan. You

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just don't walk out and then walk back in because you're given ammunition to the abuser

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to continue using you. So make sure when you make that decision to walk out, you have a

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plan. Don't leave until you have a plan. You have support, but you have to have a plan

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because this is your relationship. Either you love it or you live it is your choice.

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April, there's been in our society, you always hear a lot about female empowerment and relationship

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management and things like that, but I have an honest question for you. Since you've been

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doing this, have you seen progress in our society? Is it the same? Is it worse?

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Depends on what area because I traveled around the world. So a lot of ladies not going to

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complain about the situation that they're in because of the cost of living. And if you

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don't get a food stamps, you have the food and then you have transportation and you don't

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have enough money to pay bills. So they have to make a decision. So if it's worse, they

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wouldn't know. If something needs to be done, yes. More empowerment classes need to be offered.

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So they know how to empower themselves and learn how to live a life that keeps them safe.

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You've spoken around the world. I remember you going to Italy and speaking to a large

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group of women there. What was different in their society versus our society? Did you

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notice any differences? The men that they were involved with killed them. They was killed

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and it wasn't even their husband. It was their boyfriends. So they would go to jail and stay

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there for six months to a year. It was bad there. It was real bad. So they had like a

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ceremony of red benches for the ladies and they had it around the town and they would

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go, you know, I had the opportunity to stay there for 20 days, 20 days, yeah. And I would

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go to these events and they have these benches and they would put the names of each abuse,

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each person that was that died from being abused. It was bad. And that was a while ago. But

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yeah, I don't know the changes about how that went about, but it needed some changes. It's

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like, why would you want to abuse another person when you're angry at what you do?

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I have a question for you as a man. I can't speak from a woman's vantage point naturally,

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but as a man, I perceive men that do that as very small men. They're small. They don't

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like themselves. They hate themselves. Is that true? They have a lot going on and they

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don't know the direction they have and they want to feel that they're in and they have

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that power and control because they lost it and they found out they didn't, they didn't

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have no control. So now they work with weak women or women that has little to work with.

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So they control them and it's so unfair. So my, my part is to help empower women to say

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you're strong, you're brilliant, powerful. And most of us telling your tippy toes and

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rise above the situation and be better and limit your conversation and be silent about

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where you're moving it, how you move.

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You once shared a story, maybe you can share it today about a woman is being abused and

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you taught her that tippy toe rise up and she used it in the middle of an altercation

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with her husband. Can you tell us what happened that day with her?

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The young lady, she was being verbally abused by her boyfriend the day before he was physical.

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And I told her, I said, rise up above the situation and don't fall into it. But what

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you need to do is call 911. So I had to keep coaching her, keep coaching her because she

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was scared. You know, what happened if the police come and all this other stuff, but

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are you safe at what's going on in your home? So that incident happened. He started verbally

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abusing her and physical abuse. She rise. She didn't touch, she didn't touch him at

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all. And then she got the phone and she down 911 and they arrested him. And you have to,

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you have to, and I told you, you have to be sure of what you want to do because once you

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do that and call the officers to your home, then they're going to ask a lot of questions

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and they don't fight back. You want to fight back, but don't just protect yourself while

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he's abusing you. But yeah, I had to do that. Yeah.

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You have these beautiful daughters. I met several of them. I mean, they're, they're

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angelic and they're beautiful souls, but what, how do they see men now after being through

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what you went through as, as their mom and being in a car for years? But how do they

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view relationships themselves now? That's quite a start for them too, right?

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It is. And they have, it's their own decision on how they want to be in relationships and

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they know the story of how I came out of it, how I went through it and how I restarted.

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And so it's their choice that I tell them what you have to do is first love yourself.

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So the relationship that you're in, if they don't love you, make a decision. Don't stay

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in something that's not going to benefit you. A person comes to love you, not to hurt you

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and abuse you. They come to help you and elevate you to your next. And then I can coach them

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along the way, like I do all these ladies. But as far as my daughters, I tell them, I

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get real deep and strong with them. I can help you as long as you want me to help you.

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But when it's time for me to move back, I will definitely move back because I don't

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want to be the person that says that I broke up somebody's relationship. So, you know,

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you're old enough. My oldest is 41. So, do you have a decision she'd have to make?

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If anyone's watching this and feels like they're in this situation, April, you're pretty

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easy to find on social media. You have a phone number. I'll bet that rings to your purse.

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I'll bet it does, doesn't it? There you go. There's April. There's no secretary. There's

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no voicemail. So, there's a hotline. It's a hotline. And it sounds like someone has

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to get to a point of saying that's it. That's it. That's I had enough. I'm better than I

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deserve the best. There's, like I said earlier, there's organizations, there's government,

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there's county things in every city, probably in every country. This is going all around

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the world, anybody. But I think having the confidence to say I'm going to change starting

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today and just reach out and get some information. The website is secondchancelastopportunity.org.

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It's loaded with information. You have all this free material on your videos, I think.

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I have video. There's videos on YouTube of you talking. So, if anyone's watching this

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and says I'm not at the point where I can call April yet, but I want to just learn a

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little bit more, it's a wonderful resource. Yeah, definitely. We just started a program,

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A Crown for Queens. And I do motivational speaking engagements that travel three or four times

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a month, different locations in Florida. And just them being around me, just hearing the

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positive affirmation and encouraging them to stay strong, know that you're brilliant

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and you're powerful. It's a session of four sessions. And you have a graduation ceremony

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and they get a crown, a t-shirt, incentives for them to know that they deserve it. So,

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that started two weeks ago. So, we are expecting over a thousand ladies. We recently signed

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up maybe 500 ladies. And then we have the dates where they can follow me to these locations

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and get their sessions in a class. And then they participate in the graduation. And it's

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so needed. Women need women. We need a network together, help each other, encourage each

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other, and encourage one another. And then give them that strength to know that you can

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do it. Either not by yourself. And that's what I didn't have. I felt like I was alone

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by myself, but realized that my mom was my strength.

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You know, with women, I'm having a daughter in her 30s and I hear and read a lot about

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women comparing themselves to these, what I call false prophets, these perfect women

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online that actually don't exist, but you start to feel less than. I think that's a factor

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here. True, right? People don't feel like they're worthy because...

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They don't know their worth. They don't know how powerful they are. They don't know their

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strength. They don't know that they are loved by the person that they're looking in the

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mirror at. And that's powerful. When you look in the mirror and realize that, hey, I'm so

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beautiful. I deserve the best. Then you know you're strong enough to make it. But when

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you don't take the time to look in the mirror every day and realize that, hey, I used to

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say it's just me, but a friend said, no, it's more than just me. You're much more than

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that. So you have to know your worth to know that you can do it.

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You know earlier when you shared with me that people come up to you with problems and I

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said, how do you put up with this all day? It's got to be exhausting. And you said you

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look at them all as angels. Can I tell you something, April?

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What's that?

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I think you're an angel too.

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I'm an angel too. Well, thank you so much.

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Thank you so much for being with us and sharing your honesty and system. Dr. April Glasgow

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Jones. She's a name in this cause, I guess is the best way to put it. It's so unique,

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so special, so different. Second chance last opportunity.org is where you want to go to

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get to get your life changed. And if today's the day, April's waiting for your call.

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Definitely.

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Definitely.

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God bless April. Thank you for being here today.

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Awesome.

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Thank you Dr. April. Dr. April Glasgow Jones on A-List podcast. Thanks for watching everybody.