WEBVTT 00:00:15.740 --> 00:00:17.780 Hi there, and welcome to Notes from the Stage, 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:20.059 a show from the musicians of the Calgary Philharmonic. 00:00:20.420 --> 00:00:22.079 We're the people playing our hearts out every 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:25.219 week of the orchestra season. I'm Adam Zanatelli. 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:27.480 Usually I play first trumpet in the Calgary Philharmonic, 00:00:27.500 --> 00:00:29.440 but today I'm your host, and I'm here with Jeremy 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:32.310 Bauman, violist in the CPO. Hi Jeremy! Hello, 00:00:32.509 --> 00:00:34.109 it's good to be here. Wonderful, how are you 00:00:34.109 --> 00:00:36.549 doing? I'm doing pretty well, yeah. Did you have 00:00:36.549 --> 00:00:39.850 a nice little holiday? Yeah, it was good. I went 00:00:39.850 --> 00:00:43.649 to Phoenix to climb for a couple days and outside 00:00:43.649 --> 00:00:47.210 of that I was around town and just having a nice 00:00:47.210 --> 00:00:49.750 time, yeah, in the city. Wonderful, so climbing, 00:00:49.850 --> 00:00:53.390 hey? Yeah, rock climbing. Alright, tell us a 00:00:53.390 --> 00:00:55.490 bit about that. That's one of your passions outside 00:00:55.490 --> 00:00:58.070 of music, huh? It is. I have to be careful because 00:00:58.070 --> 00:01:01.280 my... fingers are, you know, related to my job, 00:01:01.299 --> 00:01:04.099 but I think it's good to have something to... 00:01:04.099 --> 00:01:07.079 I've been able to avoid injuries with music, 00:01:07.099 --> 00:01:11.480 and I think it's largely due to a pretty consistent 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:16.219 exercise routine or... I love running. I love 00:01:16.219 --> 00:01:19.310 climbing. I love skiing. All things outdoors. 00:01:19.569 --> 00:01:21.969 Climbing, right? Talk about overtraining your 00:01:21.969 --> 00:01:25.109 hands and arms and fingers. The loads that you're 00:01:25.109 --> 00:01:28.189 dealing with there are so far beyond whatever 00:01:28.189 --> 00:01:30.909 you're facing on a stringed instrument. But climbing 00:01:30.909 --> 00:01:34.150 is a lot of pulling, and playing a stringed instrument 00:01:34.150 --> 00:01:37.349 is a lot of pressing, so they kind of work in 00:01:37.349 --> 00:01:39.290 combination. Oh, that's really interesting. Yeah, 00:01:39.390 --> 00:01:43.730 I love it. There's so many different styles of 00:01:43.730 --> 00:01:47.510 climbing, and I've experimented with a lot of 00:01:47.469 --> 00:01:50.829 of different styles and there's certain ones 00:01:50.829 --> 00:01:53.109 that jump out to me over others. I'm curious 00:01:53.109 --> 00:01:55.049 about that. I've never done any climbing. I don't 00:01:55.049 --> 00:01:56.650 know anything about this. So it's a total lay 00:01:56.650 --> 00:01:58.769 person. You don't have to give us the whole catalog, 00:01:58.849 --> 00:02:01.049 but what are the styles that you love and why? 00:02:01.590 --> 00:02:05.909 I love sport climbing. It's very like methodical. 00:02:06.230 --> 00:02:09.069 It's taught me a lot about practicing, about 00:02:09.069 --> 00:02:13.409 sequencing, about like playing a string instrument. 00:02:13.550 --> 00:02:15.650 You have to like think about certain things in 00:02:15.650 --> 00:02:19.030 order. with your bow arm like doing certain things 00:02:19.030 --> 00:02:23.669 at certain times and I've never been very good 00:02:23.669 --> 00:02:27.469 at that and in music I've always kind of gravitated 00:02:27.469 --> 00:02:29.689 toward the creative side rather than methodical 00:02:29.689 --> 00:02:32.270 side and sport climbing has taught me to slow 00:02:32.270 --> 00:02:34.949 my brain down and Think about things one thing 00:02:34.949 --> 00:02:37.169 at a time. Well, that's really interesting. Yeah 00:02:37.169 --> 00:02:38.969 Yeah, I mean especially when you're thinking 00:02:38.969 --> 00:02:41.409 creatively and as a musician you're often thinking 00:02:41.409 --> 00:02:44.500 about these big ideas and these large shapes, 00:02:44.699 --> 00:02:47.419 these big arcs of expression. Yes. But to actually 00:02:47.419 --> 00:02:51.000 say, no, what am I doing right now? Yeah. Is 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.159 something that it's hard to do because as a musician, 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:56.439 we have to do both at the same time. Yeah. Well, 00:02:56.580 --> 00:03:00.099 you do. But it's it's really like one part of 00:03:00.099 --> 00:03:02.099 your brain firing and then another part of your 00:03:02.099 --> 00:03:05.319 brain firing. And there's it's not really at 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:08.680 the same time. Like it's it's these micro things 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.509 happening. Yeah, I make it look like it's the 00:03:11.509 --> 00:03:13.830 same time Yeah, I often think that the mark of 00:03:13.830 --> 00:03:16.729 me being ready to perform something something 00:03:16.729 --> 00:03:20.889 involved is Having a really clear flexible plan 00:03:20.889 --> 00:03:23.810 of where my attention is gonna be at any given 00:03:23.810 --> 00:03:26.530 moment Yeah, yeah, it sounds like that sounds 00:03:26.530 --> 00:03:31.509 like you're better at that then I I yeah, it's 00:03:31.509 --> 00:03:35.770 I I find that I'm just naturally more creative 00:03:35.770 --> 00:03:39.810 and what's the word like disorganized but but 00:03:39.810 --> 00:03:43.430 spontaneous. Intuitive. Intuitive. Yes. What 00:03:43.430 --> 00:03:46.289 is that? Right brained. Chris was talking about 00:03:46.289 --> 00:03:48.509 this in a previous episode. Yeah, I can never 00:03:48.509 --> 00:03:50.590 remember. I think it's right brained and left 00:03:50.590 --> 00:03:53.889 brained is the more organized. Yeah. Yeah. So 00:03:53.889 --> 00:03:58.289 sport climbing. I really enjoy it. And there's 00:03:58.289 --> 00:04:00.789 really amazing places in the Bow Valley to go 00:04:00.789 --> 00:04:03.409 do it. There's a lot of great limestone rock 00:04:03.409 --> 00:04:06.090 to climb. And there's a lot of people out there 00:04:06.090 --> 00:04:09.939 that are developing. Areas that you know, they 00:04:09.939 --> 00:04:11.659 put bolts in the rock and then you clip them 00:04:11.659 --> 00:04:14.780 in your safe. So that's good. Yeah, that's good. 00:04:14.780 --> 00:04:17.079 That's fun So I know that there are a lot of 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.220 other musicians in the CPO who are also into 00:04:19.220 --> 00:04:21.019 this. Yeah, that's right Let's say there's someone 00:04:21.019 --> 00:04:22.740 new coming to the orchestra who's interested 00:04:22.740 --> 00:04:24.980 in Climbing and maybe has done a little bit and 00:04:24.980 --> 00:04:27.160 is interested in doing more and exploring the 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.759 area here What's the first place you recommend 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:33.199 to them to go? Well, so they're a new climber 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:34.959 like they've never been outside. Well, let's 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:38.589 say they've done a bit of indoor climbing What's 00:04:38.589 --> 00:04:41.149 the first place? What's the introduction to outdoor 00:04:41.149 --> 00:04:44.089 climbing in the Calgary area? The really accessible 00:04:44.089 --> 00:04:47.629 place that you'll often see new climbers go to 00:04:47.629 --> 00:04:50.509 is Grassy Lakes in Canmore. And there's actually 00:04:50.509 --> 00:04:54.449 kind of like something for all grades. Like there's 00:04:54.449 --> 00:04:58.709 really hard climbing and there's like you've 00:04:58.709 --> 00:05:01.629 never been on rock before climbing. Cool. And 00:05:01.629 --> 00:05:03.829 so that's a great spot. People also love going 00:05:03.829 --> 00:05:08.759 to Heart Creek. And there's also lots of levels 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:10.939 there too. There's a nice spot called the Upper 00:05:10.939 --> 00:05:13.279 Amphitheater that if you hike further down the 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.660 creek, you kind of scramble up the right side 00:05:15.660 --> 00:05:18.819 and there's like this beautiful cliff that doesn't 00:05:18.819 --> 00:05:23.339 get much sun and it's really sharp rock so erodes 00:05:23.339 --> 00:05:28.139 your skin. Yeah, it's a challenge. But it's fantastic 00:05:28.139 --> 00:05:31.519 routes up there and those are the two spots that 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:35.129 new climbers would gravitate towards. Cool. Do 00:05:35.129 --> 00:05:37.089 you have any CPO climbing buddies you want to 00:05:37.089 --> 00:05:40.389 shout out? Yeah, I love climbing with Danny Posetta 00:05:40.389 --> 00:05:44.550 and Marcin Svoboda and Peter Blake I've climbed 00:05:44.550 --> 00:05:49.189 with as well quite a bit. But I do a lot of climbing 00:05:49.189 --> 00:05:52.269 with Danny and Marcin. So is it always just the 00:05:52.269 --> 00:05:54.649 low strings that are that are into this? Yeah, 00:05:54.649 --> 00:05:56.670 that's a good question. I don't know. There's 00:05:56.670 --> 00:05:58.709 been some other people who I've like gone to 00:05:58.709 --> 00:06:00.910 the gym with, but actually come to think of it, 00:06:01.089 --> 00:06:03.360 they're they're low string players, too. I'm 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.339 not sure what it is. Interesting. Yeah, that's 00:06:06.339 --> 00:06:08.199 a deep dive that someone else will have to do. 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:10.980 I have no answers for that. Yeah, there's a there's 00:06:10.980 --> 00:06:13.060 a doctoral dissertation waiting to happen for 00:06:13.060 --> 00:06:16.240 someone. Yeah, I think there must be something. 00:06:17.019 --> 00:06:19.720 I wonder if you could boil down people's hobbies 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:22.379 to their instrument. Like there's certainly personality 00:06:22.379 --> 00:06:25.199 types that gravitate towards certain instruments. 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:27.740 Yeah, but I always wonder about this, right? 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:30.980 Because we have these stereotypes of. different 00:06:30.980 --> 00:06:32.540 instruments and what sort of personalities go 00:06:32.540 --> 00:06:36.000 with them. But I always wonder, is it that certain 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.779 types of people are drawn to certain instruments? 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:43.379 Or is it that the instrument that you spend so 00:06:43.379 --> 00:06:47.459 much time with shapes you as a person? Well, 00:06:47.500 --> 00:06:49.639 I suppose it depends when you start playing. 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:52.279 People typically start quite young with string 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:55.000 instruments and piano. I think they start much 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:57.300 later with brass and maybe a little bit earlier 00:06:57.300 --> 00:06:59.779 with winds. Yeah, it's a good question. I don't 00:06:59.779 --> 00:07:03.839 know. I think the nature versus nurture. You're 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.360 that's kind of the argument you're you're looking 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.060 at right now. But boy, we are just full of ideas 00:07:09.060 --> 00:07:13.040 for doctoral dissertations. Yeah. Some waiting 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:14.639 to happen. Yeah, that's right. That's right. 00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:16.860 So you climb a lot with your colleagues in the 00:07:16.860 --> 00:07:19.480 viola section, many of them. Tell us a little 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:22.540 bit about your relationship to the viola. How 00:07:22.540 --> 00:07:26.480 did you start playing? Well, I started on violin 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:31.029 when I was 10. And I didn't switch to viola until 00:07:31.029 --> 00:07:34.629 university and halfway through university. The 00:07:34.629 --> 00:07:37.769 original idea was because I had quit violin for 00:07:37.769 --> 00:07:41.910 a couple years and wasn't playing music. And 00:07:41.910 --> 00:07:45.110 my youth orchestra teacher was like, if you want 00:07:45.110 --> 00:07:47.129 to get a job in music, you might have an easier 00:07:47.129 --> 00:07:50.750 time as a violist. And so that's when I started 00:07:50.750 --> 00:07:54.930 playing both. He turned out to be correct, but 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:57.459 For a while I was playing both and it was a struggle. 00:07:58.180 --> 00:08:01.100 I always felt like it was easier to go from violin 00:08:01.100 --> 00:08:05.480 to viola than vice versa and there's something 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.360 about the instrument that kind of drew me to 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:12.300 it. I like that a lot of composers have written 00:08:12.300 --> 00:08:16.220 for it in their late part of life like Mozart 00:08:16.220 --> 00:08:20.120 and Brahms and there's symphonies like there's 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:23.899 solos in the Mahler symphonies that Mahler wrote 00:08:23.899 --> 00:08:26.610 for viola. Yeah, like immediately the beginning 00:08:26.610 --> 00:08:29.370 of the 10th symphony jumps to that beautiful 00:08:29.370 --> 00:08:33.210 section viola thing. And the 7th has some really 00:08:33.210 --> 00:08:37.330 great individual solos. I think the 6th too, 00:08:37.809 --> 00:08:43.289 the 9th. So it's an instrument that is more contemplative 00:08:43.289 --> 00:08:48.710 because it's not as virtuosic and it's got a 00:08:48.710 --> 00:08:52.029 deeper sound. It just kind of lends itself to 00:08:52.029 --> 00:08:55.879 that sort of slower, like more inquisitive style 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:59.220 of writing, which I think people have later in 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:02.379 life. That's really interesting. Yeah, it's not 00:09:02.379 --> 00:09:05.200 an observation I've made. It's something that 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:08.620 I've heard from other people, but it's certainly 00:09:08.620 --> 00:09:11.120 true. So the mistakes of a composer's youth are 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.659 all out of the way before they sit down to really 00:09:13.659 --> 00:09:15.259 write for the viola. And they have something 00:09:15.259 --> 00:09:19.120 real from their heart to share, I think, that 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:23.120 Brahms wrote the two clarinet solos, which are 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:29.200 transcribed for viola. And there's a lot in there. 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.840 There's some really great works for viola. Yeah, 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:36.039 that's wonderful. So deep dark secret here. I 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:39.220 briefly played the viola. I think I knew that. 00:09:39.340 --> 00:09:42.399 Not even super briefly, but I was it wasn't a 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.000 good fit for me. But like, I remember sometime 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.259 in there, I think I heard a performance of the 00:09:48.259 --> 00:09:51.059 Britain Lacrimé. Oh yeah. It was a beautiful 00:09:51.059 --> 00:09:54.039 piece. Yeah. And that really stuck with me. So 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:56.799 I'm totally understanding what you mean about 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.299 that when you're saying that composers tend to 00:10:00.299 --> 00:10:03.840 write this music that sort of speaks of experience 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.840 and perspective in a way that, you know, more 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:11.379 jubilant youthful music sometimes doesn't. Yes. 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:14.659 But Jeremy, like so many members of the CPO, 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:16.960 you moved here for the job. Where's home for 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:21.639 you? I grew up in Waterloo, Ontario, and I've 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:24.820 been in the orchestra for about 10 years. I have 00:10:24.820 --> 00:10:27.720 some family here that have lived here for much 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:31.299 longer than 10 years, 30 years, I think. So Calgary 00:10:31.299 --> 00:10:36.159 was, I'd visited here before, but I never really 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:40.080 saw myself living here. I, before I moved here, 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:43.899 I was on trial for a job in Singapore. Oh, wow. 00:10:43.899 --> 00:10:47.769 I didn't know that. Cool. Yeah. That was. potentially 00:10:47.769 --> 00:10:50.190 another place that I could have spent my entire 00:10:50.190 --> 00:10:52.929 life, which is radically different than Calgary. 00:10:53.590 --> 00:10:57.149 But yeah, I love being here. It's a great place 00:10:57.149 --> 00:10:58.909 to live, especially if you like the mountains. 00:10:59.649 --> 00:11:01.690 I come from a musical background. My mom played 00:11:01.690 --> 00:11:04.330 in the Kitchener Symphony for a long time. She 00:11:04.330 --> 00:11:07.289 was a percussionist. She was never like a core 00:11:07.289 --> 00:11:11.240 member, but she was like first call sub for 30 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:14.460 years. Sure. So you probably are especially glad. 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:16.539 I think we're all glad to hear that the Kitchener 00:11:16.539 --> 00:11:18.919 Waterloo Symphony Orchestra is rising from the 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:22.019 ashes. Yes. Especially since I have some friends 00:11:22.019 --> 00:11:24.179 who are in it currently. Yeah, I think we all 00:11:24.179 --> 00:11:27.500 do. Yeah. And it's great to hear that they're 00:11:27.500 --> 00:11:29.860 making a comeback. That's right. We support our 00:11:29.860 --> 00:11:31.940 colleagues in orchestras across the country and 00:11:31.940 --> 00:11:34.580 around the world. Yeah. They have a fantastic 00:11:34.580 --> 00:11:37.200 hall there. We have a great hall in Calgary. 00:11:37.419 --> 00:11:41.470 It's one of the best in Canada. And the, I forget 00:11:41.470 --> 00:11:44.029 what it's called, but the hall in Kitchener is 00:11:44.029 --> 00:11:46.389 great, too. And they need an orchestra playing 00:11:46.389 --> 00:11:48.710 there right now. Absolutely. You're absolutely 00:11:48.710 --> 00:11:51.289 right. Yeah. We used to do youth orchestra concerts 00:11:51.289 --> 00:11:55.809 there. And it was a tremendous experience to 00:11:55.809 --> 00:12:01.250 be able to play in that hall. And yeah. So climbing, 00:12:01.370 --> 00:12:03.909 running, skiing, you mentioned as well. You're 00:12:03.909 --> 00:12:06.769 a really active guy. But I know that not only 00:12:06.769 --> 00:12:10.289 are you a really physically active guy. You're 00:12:10.289 --> 00:12:14.330 also pursuing some more internal activities. 00:12:15.090 --> 00:12:19.009 Yeah, that's right. I for the last. Well, a couple 00:12:19.009 --> 00:12:22.669 of years, but a long time I've been doing meditation 00:12:22.669 --> 00:12:27.009 and I go to these 10 day retreats. I practice 00:12:27.009 --> 00:12:29.590 the Pasana meditation. I don't know if you've 00:12:29.590 --> 00:12:31.789 heard of it. I've heard you've mentioned it to 00:12:31.789 --> 00:12:34.490 me before, but I'm I'm I'm interested in treat 00:12:34.490 --> 00:12:37.070 treat me like a lay person. Pretend I don't know 00:12:37.070 --> 00:12:39.710 anything about it. Well, I like to think of myself 00:12:39.710 --> 00:12:41.710 as a layperson, too. It's something that I come 00:12:41.710 --> 00:12:45.409 to each day and kind of try from a beginner's 00:12:45.409 --> 00:12:47.929 mind. I practice in the morning and the evening. 00:12:47.970 --> 00:12:50.850 And for the last two years, I've been doing the 00:12:50.850 --> 00:12:54.389 courses recommend that you you practice an hour 00:12:54.389 --> 00:12:57.129 in the morning and an hour in the evening and 00:12:57.129 --> 00:12:59.649 you do a 10 day course each year. And it's a 00:12:59.649 --> 00:13:04.509 pretty serious path. And I think I gain a lot 00:13:04.509 --> 00:13:07.500 from it. when you go to these courses, you don't 00:13:07.500 --> 00:13:09.500 do any writing, you don't do any talking, you 00:13:09.500 --> 00:13:12.940 take a vow of silence and you basically postpone 00:13:12.940 --> 00:13:16.460 all other activities. You don't do any running 00:13:16.460 --> 00:13:19.480 or and the idea is that when you come away from 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:22.299 this, if you experience any benefit from it, 00:13:22.460 --> 00:13:25.299 if you experience a clear mind, you know that 00:13:25.299 --> 00:13:27.120 it's coming. There's certainty that you know 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.960 it's coming from this course and the style of 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.700 meditation you're practicing. So there's a lot 00:13:32.700 --> 00:13:34.960 of different styles of meditation out there and 00:13:35.019 --> 00:13:37.980 I've always been intrigued by things that are 00:13:37.980 --> 00:13:41.799 a little more in depth and that aren't just kind 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.679 of going after like, ah, you do this for 10 minutes 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:47.299 a day and it'll fix your problems. Like to me, 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:50.919 that doesn't really, I think the nature of being 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:53.639 a human is a little bit more complex than that. 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:57.639 And so I've always kind of been intrigued by 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:01.820 what's out there. And these courses are run on 00:14:01.820 --> 00:14:05.019 donation alone. Like no one pays for it. you're 00:14:05.019 --> 00:14:09.200 free to give something if you would like to afterwards, 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:12.559 but it's not in a, it's meant to benefit the 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:14.519 people who are coming in. So you're, you're not 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:16.200 paying for your own experience, but you're paying 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:19.080 for someone else's in the future. To my knowledge, 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:21.740 like what other organization in the world exists 00:14:21.740 --> 00:14:25.299 like that? And that kind of, to me, that speaks 00:14:25.299 --> 00:14:28.700 of when I, when I heard about that, when I was 00:14:28.700 --> 00:14:31.559 looking originally looking for styles of meditation 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:34.600 and I heard about that, that they're able to 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.320 run on donations. I thought, wow, there's something 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.980 special here. So I did a course. My first one 00:14:39.980 --> 00:14:43.720 was in 2008 and I've been doing them a long time 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:49.720 and I still feel like I'm a beginner. So I will 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:55.120 keep doing it. But yeah, I practice meditation. 00:14:55.259 --> 00:14:57.379 That's wonderful. And I think that meditation 00:14:57.379 --> 00:14:59.820 is something that a lot of people know a little 00:14:59.820 --> 00:15:03.899 bit about. And I think that, I mean, I only know 00:15:03.899 --> 00:15:05.539 a little bit about it. It's not something that 00:15:05.539 --> 00:15:08.639 I've ever really practiced. Do you use Headspace 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:11.720 or do you use any? Someone once recommended to 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:14.620 me an app called UCLA Mindful. It's something 00:15:14.620 --> 00:15:17.059 that actually comes out of UCLA. I think there's 00:15:17.059 --> 00:15:20.279 a department or at least a professor who's studying 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.940 this stuff. It's a free app. Someone recommended 00:15:22.940 --> 00:15:25.100 it to me and I've used it a little bit in the 00:15:25.100 --> 00:15:28.279 past. But that's a free resource that maybe that's 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:30.100 a thing that you can just get on your phone. 00:15:30.100 --> 00:15:33.580 Yeah, there's so much out there and it's worth 00:15:33.580 --> 00:15:37.259 exploring them all and making your own decision 00:15:37.259 --> 00:15:43.340 about what suits you. Everyone's different. It's 00:15:43.340 --> 00:15:46.559 not a monolith. It's a huge variety of different 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:49.519 ways to do it and different experiences. There's 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:53.139 a lot of different parts to it. But I think it 00:15:53.139 --> 00:15:58.200 helps me with practicing. with life yeah i think 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.840 even even just simply the idea of putting your 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:06.440 phone away and yeah not being connected to everything 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:09.320 for for even just for a little while sounds like 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.779 it could be very valuable yeah yeah you do that 00:16:12.779 --> 00:16:15.200 at these courses you you put your phone away 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:19.259 you and i always feel like before i go to a course 00:16:19.259 --> 00:16:26.590 things build up and like and like It can be anything. 00:16:27.250 --> 00:16:30.429 And, and when I like step away from the course 00:16:30.429 --> 00:16:33.409 afterwards, that thing that was just driving 00:16:33.409 --> 00:16:36.950 me crazy in life is just like no longer a problem. 00:16:37.169 --> 00:16:39.929 Ah, that's amazing. And it kind of clears away 00:16:39.929 --> 00:16:44.070 some of the, I mean, there's a lot of like garbage 00:16:44.070 --> 00:16:47.610 in all of our minds that we hash out with people 00:16:47.610 --> 00:16:52.190 and with ourselves. And I think really just clearing 00:16:52.190 --> 00:16:57.379 space is like. Is a good thing Sometimes you 00:16:57.379 --> 00:17:00.659 don't have to do the battles that you do. Yeah, 00:17:00.659 --> 00:17:05.579 I Mean I just a question about this when you're 00:17:05.579 --> 00:17:08.200 diving into something like that be it a retreat 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.779 or even just your daily practice like Does it 00:17:11.779 --> 00:17:14.420 get worse before it gets better? Yes, absolutely 00:17:14.420 --> 00:17:17.319 I think you can't have one without the other. 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:22.559 Yeah. Yeah, there's so many analogies in in like 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:25.730 Zen about how you can only see the bottom of, 00:17:25.950 --> 00:17:28.170 I'm going to butcher it, but I'll try it anyways. 00:17:28.470 --> 00:17:31.410 You can only see the bottom of the lake when, 00:17:31.569 --> 00:17:34.390 when the water is still or something. There is 00:17:34.390 --> 00:17:37.710 no clarity without, without disorganization or 00:17:37.710 --> 00:17:40.710 without whatever you want to call it. But yeah, 00:17:40.710 --> 00:17:45.069 things come up and I think no one is exempt from, 00:17:45.069 --> 00:17:50.089 from drama and from messiness. And like, we all 00:17:50.089 --> 00:17:52.869 have to work through it in our own way, but. 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:59.619 I think it's a myth that through meditation you 00:17:59.619 --> 00:18:03.160 can achieve some sort of perfect bliss. It's 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:06.319 equal parts. You find some clarity, but then 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.779 that clarity allows for things to bubble up to 00:18:08.779 --> 00:18:11.180 the surface again, and there's this continual 00:18:11.180 --> 00:18:15.920 process of things getting shaken loose inside 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.579 you and you battling through and finding clarity 00:18:19.579 --> 00:18:22.460 in it. That's how it is for me and from talking 00:18:22.460 --> 00:18:25.759 to other meditators. That's how it is for them 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:28.519 too. That's really interesting. And it's so interesting 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:33.460 if you talk about it, because a lot of the vocabulary 00:18:33.460 --> 00:18:38.140 you're using, it so mirrors how a lot of people 00:18:38.140 --> 00:18:41.640 talk about experiencing music. Like it's sort 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.069 of a... a cathartic, emotional, or even spiritual 00:18:45.069 --> 00:18:48.910 sort of experience. Yeah. And to see that, to 00:18:48.910 --> 00:18:52.650 hold those two things up and realize, oh, I think 00:18:52.650 --> 00:18:54.809 there's some things in common there is really 00:18:54.809 --> 00:18:58.970 interesting. Yeah. I think there's a lot of truth 00:18:58.970 --> 00:19:03.289 in that, like, that art acts as, art music acts 00:19:03.289 --> 00:19:05.410 as a way of, like, doing the same thing to your 00:19:05.410 --> 00:19:08.829 mind. Like, when you contemplate something or 00:19:08.829 --> 00:19:12.549 when you, like, sit with something, It allows 00:19:12.549 --> 00:19:16.809 something to stir up inside you. I think there 00:19:16.809 --> 00:19:20.109 is a difference between art and meditation though. 00:19:20.390 --> 00:19:25.269 There's an inherent quality in art and music 00:19:25.269 --> 00:19:30.509 and things of itself, whatever it is, will speak 00:19:30.509 --> 00:19:34.130 to you. And when you're meditating, there's these 00:19:34.130 --> 00:19:37.990 things inside you that you can allow to come 00:19:37.990 --> 00:19:42.140 up. And it's a way of looking at yourself. You 00:19:42.140 --> 00:19:44.779 can still do that with music and art, but it's 00:19:44.779 --> 00:19:47.799 not quite as pure. Yeah, I understand. I understand 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.259 what you mean. Yeah, I think the abstract nature 00:19:50.259 --> 00:19:53.579 of music is one step towards that, right? It's 00:19:53.579 --> 00:19:57.000 not like literature or a movie or something where 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:00.519 there's like a text. You know, I think that instrumental 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.240 music especially has that abstract quality that 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:05.279 sort of moves it. It's emotional. Yeah, yeah, 00:20:05.339 --> 00:20:09.240 yeah, yeah. Yeah, but even that emotion is like, 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:12.349 it's like we all experience things. these emotions. 00:20:12.990 --> 00:20:15.710 But there's like a narrative with it. Yeah, it's 00:20:15.710 --> 00:20:18.710 an external stimulus. Yes. And you're like, you're 00:20:18.710 --> 00:20:21.950 subject to that, that journey, which is a beautiful 00:20:21.950 --> 00:20:25.069 journey. But it's still like, it's not really 00:20:25.069 --> 00:20:27.549 your journey. Yeah. Yeah. That's so interesting. 00:20:28.289 --> 00:20:30.529 Well, one thing that used to be an important 00:20:30.529 --> 00:20:33.450 slow things down hobby for me is something that 00:20:33.450 --> 00:20:35.990 I know you've gotten into as well, which is bread 00:20:35.990 --> 00:20:41.640 baking. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love baking bread. 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:46.680 I do it pretty often. I've been baking for members 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:49.319 of the orchestra for a couple of years, I guess. 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:51.460 I can take you up on that, by the way. I've seen 00:20:51.460 --> 00:20:53.039 your loaves. They look great. They smell great, 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:54.700 but I've never actually gotten one from you. 00:20:55.140 --> 00:20:59.539 So sign me up. Yeah, for sure. My starter is 00:20:59.539 --> 00:21:01.920 four years old now, I think. Awesome. It started 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.500 at the beginning of COVID. I was living with 00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:08.200 Danny and actually he I got into it because he 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:10.359 did. Okay, and that's Danny Posetta, cellist. 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:14.019 Danny Posetta, yes. And if I could make love 00:21:14.019 --> 00:21:16.960 like his, I would be happy. There's nothing like 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:20.700 the smell of like, fermenting. Yeah, no, it's 00:21:20.700 --> 00:21:24.079 absolutely. And yeah, so satisfying to like, 00:21:24.940 --> 00:21:27.240 like forget you've made bread, come back to your 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:29.759 apartment and it smells like bread. Yeah. It's 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.140 a great, it's a great thing. Yeah. And like, 00:21:32.299 --> 00:21:34.440 I mean, the thing that was so great about it 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:36.799 for me was the variety. Yeah. Like there's, you 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:39.660 can buy great bread in Calgary. Like sidewalk 00:21:39.660 --> 00:21:43.460 citizen sourdough is what made me stop. When 00:21:43.460 --> 00:21:46.359 sidewalk citizen opened up in Kensington, that 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:51.579 was when I stopped baking bread. It's amazingly 00:21:51.579 --> 00:21:54.119 good. It's so good. But when I do still bake 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:55.460 bread, it's because I want to make something 00:21:55.460 --> 00:21:59.940 a little off the beaten path. What's off the 00:21:59.940 --> 00:22:02.660 beaten path? Oh, like I can make a focaccia with 00:22:02.660 --> 00:22:07.019 whatever I want on it or things like that. Actually, 00:22:07.019 --> 00:22:09.799 I was just talking with my son today. He's got 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:12.740 to bring some, like, hummus and pita to a party. 00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:16.039 And I said, oh, well, we're going to make that 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:18.380 hummus and we're going to make that pita. Nice. 00:22:18.460 --> 00:22:20.799 You know, even just being able to whip up a pizza 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.500 dough, you know? Yeah. It's like for some people, 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:25.559 that's sort of an intimidating thing, but I would, 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:28.160 you know, I've read before this is really, it's 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:31.819 very simple. It is very simple. And you can do 00:22:31.819 --> 00:22:36.470 it to like very sophisticated. standards, but 00:22:36.470 --> 00:22:39.809 you can also do it, you know, it's not hard. 00:22:39.890 --> 00:22:41.849 Like you just throw a bunch of ingredients together 00:22:41.849 --> 00:22:44.849 and like throw in the oven and you've got bread. 00:22:45.009 --> 00:22:48.069 Yeah. Like there's a reason why it's sustained 00:22:48.069 --> 00:22:51.650 cultures of people for thousands and long periods 00:22:51.650 --> 00:22:53.630 of time. Yeah. The only thing that's different 00:22:53.630 --> 00:22:55.650 about it than I think what most people do in 00:22:55.650 --> 00:22:57.670 the kitchen every day is that it takes time. 00:22:57.750 --> 00:23:00.349 It takes downtime. Yeah, it does. It takes a 00:23:00.349 --> 00:23:02.549 lot of time. It's a great thing to do involving 00:23:02.549 --> 00:23:05.509 with practicing because you do a step in the 00:23:05.509 --> 00:23:07.049 process and then you go practice for a little 00:23:07.049 --> 00:23:09.849 bit. I like experimenting with different flowers. 00:23:10.230 --> 00:23:13.970 I went on Etsy and ordered some acorn flower. 00:23:14.150 --> 00:23:16.930 I paid way too much and got some acorn flower. 00:23:17.950 --> 00:23:21.130 And I love pumpernickel bread and I've been throwing 00:23:21.130 --> 00:23:25.170 acorn flower in with pumpernickel. Cool. My parents 00:23:25.170 --> 00:23:27.450 used to do this thing where you'd like rip the 00:23:27.450 --> 00:23:30.329 top off a pumpernickel loaf and put some spinach 00:23:30.329 --> 00:23:33.190 dip in there and yeah, party thing. So I love. 00:23:33.309 --> 00:23:36.009 I love doing that. That must be so earthy and 00:23:36.009 --> 00:23:38.230 rich. It's really yeah, it's really dense and 00:23:38.230 --> 00:23:40.809 like I don't know the science behind it. I kind 00:23:40.809 --> 00:23:44.049 of don't think that you can develop gluten through 00:23:44.049 --> 00:23:46.509 it through it. So you like you have to use it 00:23:46.509 --> 00:23:49.089 in small quantities. Sure. Yeah. You don't put 00:23:49.089 --> 00:23:51.849 very much in it. I haven't tried like a pure 00:23:51.849 --> 00:23:53.630 acorn flower. Yeah, I know. I think it would 00:23:53.630 --> 00:23:55.650 probably look like a hockey puck. Yeah. Brick. 00:23:55.730 --> 00:23:59.829 Yeah. But my taste good. Yeah, maybe I made I 00:23:59.829 --> 00:24:04.299 had a gluten free uh, guest over for dinner not 00:24:04.299 --> 00:24:06.539 too long ago, and I made a chestnut flour cake. 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:09.420 Oh, nice. Was it like, uh, chestnut flour? Yeah, 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:12.299 yeah, rosemary. Nice. It tasted delicious. The 00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:14.799 texture was like, you know, there's no gluten. 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:17.960 Yeah. It comes out being a little bit like, um, 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:20.759 a little bit like a moon cake almost. Interesting. 00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:23.859 Uh, but it was really, really good. Yeah. A really 00:24:23.859 --> 00:24:26.220 delicious, uh, mixture of flavors. I love, I've 00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:28.319 always loved chestnuts, but, uh. You can do so 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:31.220 many interesting things with. with cooking and 00:24:31.220 --> 00:24:34.279 with bread. I first started out doing whole wheat, 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.859 pure whole wheat. Pure whole wheat is tough. 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:40.960 It is tough, yeah. White flour is good. Yeah, 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:44.539 I mean, 50 -50 is even so much easier to work 00:24:44.539 --> 00:24:47.799 with than pure whole wheat. Yeah. The book that 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:51.059 I really used a lot when I was doing a lot of 00:24:51.059 --> 00:24:53.839 bread baking of all sorts was by Peter Reinhart 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:55.819 called The Bread Baker's Apprentice. It won a 00:24:55.819 --> 00:24:58.079 James Beard Award. Oh, I don't know that one, 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.859 but... I feel like I know a different one by 00:25:00.859 --> 00:25:02.720 him. There's another one called Whole Grain Bread. 00:25:02.900 --> 00:25:04.960 Yes, that's the first one that I used. Yeah. 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:07.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have that book, too. I found 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.940 it was interesting, but I had a hard time. I 00:25:09.940 --> 00:25:12.440 had a hard time getting the processes to work 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:14.619 for me. And that was also around the same time 00:25:14.619 --> 00:25:17.470 that I was sort of. phasing out of baking a lot 00:25:17.470 --> 00:25:19.529 of my own bread, but the bread bakers apprentice 00:25:19.529 --> 00:25:21.750 is a wonderful. I don't know that I should check 00:25:21.750 --> 00:25:23.190 it out. It's really good. You can borrow my copy. 00:25:23.329 --> 00:25:26.190 I don't use it all that much anymore. I was using 00:25:26.190 --> 00:25:29.789 flour, salt, water, yeast by Ken Forkish. He's 00:25:29.789 --> 00:25:32.329 a he lives in Hawaii now, but he's he started 00:25:32.329 --> 00:25:35.930 a couple of places in Portland. He's great. He 00:25:35.930 --> 00:25:38.710 also like. Shows you how to kind of do a bunch 00:25:38.710 --> 00:25:40.710 of the different steps on YouTube and oh cool. 00:25:40.869 --> 00:25:43.170 That's great Yeah, cuz like so many things that 00:25:43.170 --> 00:25:44.890 you're reading in a book don't make any sense 00:25:44.890 --> 00:25:46.809 now You can just go on YouTube and see it sounds 00:25:46.809 --> 00:25:50.569 so old No, I mean, it's it's easier to learn 00:25:50.569 --> 00:25:52.529 something on YouTube than it is reading a book 00:25:52.529 --> 00:25:54.869 I think but having like this resource of all 00:25:54.869 --> 00:25:58.470 these formulas for For different types of those 00:25:58.470 --> 00:26:00.670 and different processes. I found that book to 00:26:00.670 --> 00:26:03.430 just be really really really great my favorite 00:26:03.430 --> 00:26:07.390 thing out of that book, I was making the Poilain 00:26:07.390 --> 00:26:10.690 style French bread. Okay. I don't know that. 00:26:11.309 --> 00:26:14.410 Poilain is a bakery in Paris. Okay. And I was 00:26:14.410 --> 00:26:16.589 like trying to get this right and I wasn't sure, 00:26:16.630 --> 00:26:18.970 wasn't sure how I was doing. And I was sort of 00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:21.589 agonizing over this for a while. And then on 00:26:21.589 --> 00:26:23.750 our honeymoon, we went to Paris and I went there 00:26:23.750 --> 00:26:26.289 to Poilain and I tasted it and I was like, you 00:26:26.289 --> 00:26:30.329 know what? I came pretty close. You know, probably 00:26:30.329 --> 00:26:32.789 as close as a home baker in a different part 00:26:32.789 --> 00:26:34.829 of the world using different water, different 00:26:34.829 --> 00:26:37.349 flour could. It made me feel really good. But 00:26:37.349 --> 00:26:39.089 what made me really feel really good was eating 00:26:39.089 --> 00:26:41.369 that amazing bread in Paris. There's nothing 00:26:41.369 --> 00:26:46.069 like an amazing loaf of bread. Yeah. Yeah. Manuel 00:26:46.069 --> 00:26:49.089 Le Trou is another good Calgary bakery. Oh, yeah, 00:26:49.109 --> 00:26:51.910 yeah. It's on Macleod, I think. Yeah, just south 00:26:51.910 --> 00:26:55.450 of the hall. Yes. Yeah. Well, this has been a 00:26:55.450 --> 00:26:58.890 very far -ranging conversation on a wide variety 00:26:58.890 --> 00:27:01.069 of interesting topics just to bring it back to 00:27:01.069 --> 00:27:04.250 music Oh, yeah, we didn't really talk that much 00:27:04.250 --> 00:27:06.470 about music. That's okay. We talk about me. I 00:27:06.470 --> 00:27:09.809 swear that I love music We're talking about musicians. 00:27:10.009 --> 00:27:12.589 We're talking about being a musician in the world 00:27:12.589 --> 00:27:15.849 and that isn't Entirely inspiration can come 00:27:15.849 --> 00:27:17.730 in a lot of different forms. It's true. It's 00:27:17.730 --> 00:27:20.569 true And you know everyone you see on stage playing 00:27:20.569 --> 00:27:23.319 any music is just a person We're just people 00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:25.839 and we have varied interests and we have, you 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.559 know, all sorts of different parts of our lives. 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.079 And yeah, we practice a lot. But it is a job 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:36.099 and we exist outside our job. That's true. That's 00:27:36.099 --> 00:27:38.660 true. We're just people. But the people on stage 00:27:38.660 --> 00:27:42.400 are a constant inspiration for all of us. I think, 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:45.000 you know, we get to go to work and hear great 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.339 musicians play great music. Yeah. So who who 00:27:48.339 --> 00:27:50.640 inspires you on stage at work? Oh, that's a tough 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:54.089 question. One person does come to mind, actually 00:27:54.089 --> 00:27:56.789 two people come to mind. Sam Locke, our former 00:27:56.789 --> 00:27:58.890 principal bass. He's not with the orchestra anymore. 00:27:59.170 --> 00:28:02.349 He is now principal of NACO. National Arts Center 00:28:02.349 --> 00:28:06.190 Orchestra. Yes. This is his first year in his 00:28:06.190 --> 00:28:08.930 new job. And I played with him for, I was in 00:28:08.930 --> 00:28:11.670 the orchestra before him. So his whole time in 00:28:11.670 --> 00:28:14.210 the orchestra and every day, like he's the first 00:28:14.210 --> 00:28:19.950 person to the job and he, he's just. They're 00:28:19.950 --> 00:28:23.569 in all his presence on stage. He makes so much 00:28:23.569 --> 00:28:28.390 sound all the right sounds He is like an inspirational 00:28:28.390 --> 00:28:32.789 person to be around Outside of the job too. Yeah, 00:28:32.789 --> 00:28:36.309 and he's a great friend. Yeah, I loved playing 00:28:36.309 --> 00:28:39.569 in an orchestra with him Yeah, Sam a lot Sam's 00:28:39.569 --> 00:28:41.670 been a great friend and a great colleague and 00:28:41.670 --> 00:28:43.890 a great leader on and off the stage neck I was 00:28:43.890 --> 00:28:46.730 really lucky to have him. I think yeah, I also 00:28:46.730 --> 00:28:49.930 love playing with Mark Lamarcker when he when 00:28:49.930 --> 00:28:54.470 he joins us. Yeah, Mark Lamaker, jazz pianist, 00:28:55.029 --> 00:28:57.670 but constantly musician in every genre. He plays 00:28:57.670 --> 00:29:01.109 everything. Composer as well. Yeah, he does everything. 00:29:01.529 --> 00:29:06.930 And he's got the most energy and just talking 00:29:06.930 --> 00:29:09.890 to him, playing music with him. He brings it 00:29:09.890 --> 00:29:14.150 all like one hundred and thirty percent. every 00:29:14.150 --> 00:29:17.069 time I see him. He's an inspirational force on 00:29:17.069 --> 00:29:19.450 the Calgary music scene, that's for sure. I think 00:29:19.450 --> 00:29:21.190 we'll be talking a little bit more about Mark 00:29:21.190 --> 00:29:24.869 Lamaker on an episode coming up soon with Jen 00:29:24.869 --> 00:29:27.250 Micheletti, the artistic director of Kensington 00:29:27.250 --> 00:29:29.029 Sinfonia, because I know they're doing a collaboration 00:29:29.029 --> 00:29:31.190 with Mark later this season. I'm sure we'll talk 00:29:31.190 --> 00:29:33.910 about that. Yeah, Mark does all the projects 00:29:33.910 --> 00:29:38.750 and he's a fantastic musician. And he plays with 00:29:38.750 --> 00:29:42.710 the trio at the Eden. in Inglewood on a regular 00:29:42.710 --> 00:29:46.690 basis. So check the Eden website or Mark Lemacher's 00:29:46.690 --> 00:29:48.250 socials to see when you can catch him there, 00:29:48.309 --> 00:29:49.970 have a nice meal and listen to some great jazz. 00:29:50.869 --> 00:29:53.589 Yeah, Sam and Mark, they're great musicians. 00:29:54.069 --> 00:29:56.390 Absolutely. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thanks so much 00:29:56.390 --> 00:29:57.950 for sitting down with me, Jeremy. This has been 00:29:57.950 --> 00:30:02.890 a lot of fun. It has been. Yeah, thank you. Notes 00:30:02.890 --> 00:30:05.089 from the Stage is an independent production of 00:30:05.089 --> 00:30:06.970 the Calgary Philharmonic Players Association. 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:09.720 The opinions expressed here are our own, and 00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.680 do not reflect those of the Calgary Philharmonic 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.279 Orchestra. Our thanks to Nathan Chandler for 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:17.480 his technical expertise. The music you heard 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:20.680 in this episode was American Haiku by Paul Bianco, 00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:23.180 performed by Jeremy Bauman and David Morrissey. 00:30:24.099 --> 00:30:26.240 On our next episode in two weeks, I'll be talking 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.880 with Jen Michaletti, CPO violinist and artistic 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.400 director of Calgary's own Kensington Sinfonia. 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:32.500 Talk to you soon!