1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,400 The following episode contains discussions about racial and gender equality that do not 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,000 necessarily reflect the views of bisexual coffee podcast. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Listener and viewers discretion are advised. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:18,560 I was walking to the bank teller machine at about the three year point of this relationship 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,760 that we're talking about with Tessa was her name. 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,720 And we fought on the way to the bank. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,080 We fought about her father's answering machine. 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,360 And I will bore you with the details of the components of that fight by giving you the 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,360 topic. 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:39,800 And that's what we thought from the condo down to the hotel room down to the bank. 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:45,000 And after we got finished with the bank, I turned to Tessa and I said, you know, Tessa, 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 we should pray. 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,800 And she's she's kind of grumpy, right? 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:49,920 Why should we pray now? 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:50,920 What are you talking about? 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:57,640 We should pray to God that we have an argument like this every single day because and that 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:03,040 it only be this type of thing because if this is the only thing we have to argue about, 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,540 we are blessed. 19 00:01:04,540 --> 00:01:09,520 And I gave her a nice long list of all the things people fight about generic stuff. 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,360 And I said, we thought about your dad's answering machine. 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,760 And it's our first fight, our first disagreement. 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:17,760 This is a moment to pray. 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:18,760 I want to pray. 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,200 I want to thank God for this relationship. 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:29,560 Right at the moment, it's at it worse because it's a fight about an answering machine. 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,560 And she laughed. 27 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,560 If that was the end. 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:32,560 That's not going to swing. 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:33,560 That's going to swing. 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:34,560 I'm not even going to lie. 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,560 Yeah, we did not pray. 32 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:47,000 Well, you know, I have to say, let me say, so there's a Disney film with this character 33 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,320 that is like a flame, hotheaded flame. 34 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,320 You know what I mean? 35 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,360 It's it's what is it called? 36 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:55,360 It's not. 37 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Yeah, element. 38 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,360 And so element. 39 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,360 Yes. 40 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:00,360 Yeah. 41 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,960 So my partner now is like that. 42 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,680 That's his communication style. 43 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,280 And I didn't understand it. 44 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,280 Michael knows. 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,960 I'm like, what the fuck? 46 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,880 This guy, it really aggravated me in the beginning. 47 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:22,600 And now I get it because we're both working together and he's brought the volume down 48 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:28,200 to make it not so intense because when I'm in the emergency room or at the hospital or 49 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:35,120 working in the nursing home, wherever I am, it is so loud and people are exhibiting behaviors 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,760 and they don't they don't have the ability to communicate effectively. 51 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,400 So when I come home, I need to be able to. 52 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,040 Be compressed, compressed. 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Yeah. 54 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,040 Yeah. 55 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,080 So what you did and what he's doing now is it's diffuse. 56 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,440 It diffuses things. 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,320 It just kind of, wait a minute, look at this moment that we have together and look at how 58 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,960 awesome it is. 59 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Really? 60 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:02,480 Yeah, because yeah, we're arguing, but so what? 61 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,480 It's all together. 62 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:09,360 An awesome argument moment when you realize you compare yourself, comparing is important 63 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,840 sometimes, then you realize the depth of seriousness or not of things. 64 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,880 One of those arguments that I was talking about, one of the worst arguments we had 65 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:23,000 that lasted like at least like three hours of us just like saying things, but not really, 66 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,640 I don't think listening as much. 67 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:29,160 We just both have like stress and stuff we had to get off. 68 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,240 And I didn't realize how much I had to get off until she was complaining that I put 69 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,400 up my television setup right now. 70 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,400 I have a flat screen TV on an extended stand and there's a place for my stereo and everything 71 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,920 and I take great joy in setting up my stereo system. 72 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,160 And so I did that. 73 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,240 I was very happy and then I sent a picture of it and she just sent me three dots as 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,600 a response and then she comes home and she goes, why, why did you do this? 75 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:56,720 Why didn't you wait for me? 76 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,640 This is something you didn't have to do it by yourself. 77 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,800 I'm like, I know I didn't have to do it by myself, but I wanted to do it by myself. 78 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,720 That was the seed that started just like this throw out. 79 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,720 We were yelling and like, I don't understand. 80 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:14,080 And by the end of it, she says something like completely out of left field. 81 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,040 Hey, think about all the stuff that we could have done if we weren't sitting here arguing. 82 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:25,160 And that was like something snapped inside of me thinking, you caused all this. 83 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,160 And I was just sitting there. 84 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,240 I was raging and I went, and then I started laughing. 85 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,840 And then she started laughing. 86 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:38,360 It was the first time I think I'd ever had like such a real like passionate conversation 87 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,400 without having to worry about which one was right at the time. 88 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,160 We were both just, just letting that go. 89 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,920 So it's funny about laughter. 90 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,400 It can kill rage. 91 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,400 Yeah. 92 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:49,400 Yeah, it can. 93 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:50,400 It can. 94 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,840 We've got a little more time. 95 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:56,240 I wanted this to go a little bit longer than our hour. 96 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,440 And there are two things that I wanted to ask when it comes to your relationship with 97 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:08,040 your relationships in general, when you said that there were mostly all, if not all from 98 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,720 Tessa on from the Philippines. 99 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:12,720 Am I getting that right? 100 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:13,720 All but one. 101 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:14,720 Yeah. 102 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:15,720 Okay. 103 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,480 To hold you to what you were saying that if you were in France, it would be mostly French 104 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,000 women. 105 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,320 And if you were anywhere else to be that, how much time are you spending in the Philippines 106 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:33,080 to justify that mentality and not maybe find somebody who is already acclimated to America 107 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,480 and kind of knows our horrors already? 108 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,800 Oh, good question. 109 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:43,320 And let's exclude the one example, one woman that I dated briefly that, because it was 110 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,960 so brief in all of this that was an American girl, will exclude her from the generalities. 111 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:54,000 Each relationship I had, one for eight years, one for three and a half years, one for four 112 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:00,520 years, one for four years, almost four years, back to back and engaged with each one of 113 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,040 them and married none of them. 114 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:10,480 I spend 125 days minimum in the Philippines per year. 115 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,480 Oh, so you're still doing that? 116 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:14,480 Yeah. 117 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,120 Well, no, I stopped at the pandemic. 118 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,120 Okay. 119 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,120 I never did. 120 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,120 Got it. 121 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,360 Because here's the answer to your question. 122 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,560 I've never been to the Philippines without already having established a relationship. 123 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:37,400 I have never, but one time, left the Philippines without a committed long-term relationship. 124 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,240 And that was the last time I left. 125 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,160 So I felt I had no reason to go back. 126 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,960 I have a ticket and I keep moving it. 127 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,640 I generally leave in March. 128 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,680 And my buddy said to me, and I was preparing, I was leaving, I was a couple of months, and 129 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,320 he says to me, I'll never forget this moment. 130 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,200 It was like, oh yeah. 131 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:02,920 He says, Marge, have you ever gone to the Philippines not being hitched? 132 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:03,960 And that was his word. 133 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,920 And I said, no, no. 134 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:08,920 I gave that thought. 135 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:15,520 Now, why am I going to the Philippines to see my condo, to see a few of my friends? 136 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,720 No, I'm not going. 137 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,040 And I never returned. 138 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:24,240 So my relationships have started and ended in the Philippines. 139 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,280 They've ended all for the same reason. 140 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,320 They will marry me on the day we break, each one of these relationships. 141 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:38,040 On the day we break up, I do the breaking up because they won't move from the Philippines. 142 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,040 Full time. 143 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,040 They will not come. 144 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,040 Each one has a different story. 145 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,800 And then there's a subsidiary exception. 146 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:44,800 One did come. 147 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,160 But you have to get into the weeds. 148 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,320 The bottom line is none of them will live here permanently. 149 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,040 Why don't they like the United States? 150 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,440 That goes to the misconception that I was going to get distracted on earlier. 151 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:03,560 There's a misconception in the Philippines that these desperate Filipino poor women want 152 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:04,560 to come to America. 153 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Well, guess what? 154 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:06,560 That's not actually a misconception. 155 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,960 A lot of people have heard that. 156 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,560 I don't date. 157 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:11,760 And I learned within a few months. 158 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,760 It was just a decision I made. 159 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,040 I was in the Philippines, not a few months, a few days, a few days, and I can go into 160 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:24,760 that story why in a few days in the Philippines, I learned I will not associate, let alone 161 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:31,680 date, poor Filipino women, economically deprived women, not going to have lunch with them. 162 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,160 I'm not going to meet them. 163 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,560 I'm not going to converse with them. 164 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:36,560 It's pretty extreme. 165 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:41,480 But I learned it as a result of something very extreme. 166 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,440 I'll sum it up with the end story. 167 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:44,840 We'll get the punchline. 168 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,960 I'm sitting in my suite with Romeo Vincent, who had his own suite, but we're sitting in 169 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:50,960 my suite. 170 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,200 And I said, Romeo, these girls that I'm meeting. 171 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,600 Yes, boss, this guy is arranging this. 172 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,440 I said, Romeo, we're like on day eight or nine. 173 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,120 I kind of liked that girl, Alex. 174 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:11,440 Why must I keep meeting different women everywhere we go every day? 175 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,880 You have some woman showing up, this one shows up, this one shows up, then another one shows 176 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,040 up. 177 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,240 And he said, boss, something like, I'm going to make it up. 178 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,720 I don't remember the line. 179 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,360 Variety is the spice of life. 180 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,960 But I remember my answer. 181 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,800 My answer was wait, Romeo, ready for this one? 182 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:30,920 You're married. 183 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,320 Maybe you need variety or you had it to find your wife. 184 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,800 I'm ready for marriage. 185 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,880 I don't need variety. 186 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,320 I met this girl, Alex. 187 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,520 What happened to her? 188 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,720 He picks up his phone while I'm sitting on my bed. 189 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,000 He's sitting on the other bed in the room and he does a text. 190 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,440 We're talking, I don't know, two minutes. 191 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,160 She'll be here for dinner. 192 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,240 I said, how did you do that? 193 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,720 I talked to whoever the person was. 194 00:09:58,720 --> 00:09:59,720 Right. 195 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:00,720 I had a guy for that. 196 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:01,720 Yeah. 197 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,880 I said, well, this is all strange. 198 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,560 But whatever, it's the Philippines. 199 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:09,680 He briefed me on the peculiarities of the country. 200 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:11,320 So whatever, I just accept these things. 201 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,320 And I met Alex. 202 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:17,000 But I learned that all of these women are poor. 203 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,560 They're looking for a handout. 204 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:19,560 They're looking for money. 205 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:20,640 They're looking for gifts. 206 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,840 They're looking for marriage. 207 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,160 I'm not even really sure at what level beyond money it gets to. 208 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,840 And someone was paying for them to be with me. 209 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,240 This sounds awfully like you, your guy, Romeo, knew a pimp. 210 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,240 Yeah. 211 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,720 Well, it turned out it wasn't a guy. 212 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:40,720 I said a guy. 213 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:41,920 I thought it was this guy. 214 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,920 Yeah. 215 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:48,120 This, I, it turns out it was a lady named Mommy Grace. 216 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,200 Oh, she sounds interesting. 217 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,320 Great name. 218 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,280 That person needs to be in her books. 219 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,000 She renewed her friendship on my Facebook a few years ago. 220 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,600 She's pretty well silent, but yeah, I let her in. 221 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,440 But I met her once, but the poor, maybe twice, but the, I said, we'll meet this person. 222 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,560 So that's a, you know, there's a number of stories there. 223 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,880 But the bottom line is I put an end to it. 224 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,080 I said, you know, I met this nice girl. 225 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,920 Somebody introduced me to this guy, this economic advisor to the president, and he introduced 226 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,240 me to this nice, long lady and I want to see her. 227 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,200 So I evolved away from this Alex, which I thought was the option. 228 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,680 And I went to Tessa, you know, that's how love began and how I learned my lesson. 229 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:41,680 And I later watched all these videos, all these social media accounts of men in Philippines 230 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:42,840 meeting all these women. 231 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,000 And I thought that kind of disgusts me. 232 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 It's not me. 233 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,520 It's so meaningless, but that, you know, that's who I am. 234 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,120 I don't think that's how most men are, but you know, I'm just, it can only be who I am. 235 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,480 There you go. 236 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:03,600 I could ask you questions on questions when it comes to like the relationships and why 237 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,880 you called them all off. 238 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,400 And I would love to have you back on and talk more about that. 239 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,920 But I'd be remiss if I didn't talk about my experience when I came to finding out who 240 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,920 you were. 241 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,040 And I mean, there's, there's stories, there's articles, there's all types of interesting 242 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,040 things. 243 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,760 The first thing that I came across though was your Facebook page, which recently has 244 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,560 some changes, there's some things on there that aren't on there anymore, like videos 245 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:31,560 and whatnot. 246 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:32,560 Hold on. 247 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:34,280 Are you sure you're talking about Facebook, right? 248 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,760 Yes, I am talking about Facebook. 249 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:36,760 Okay. 250 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:42,520 So you know, if you're not my friend on Facebook, you cannot see any daily post or pictures 251 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:43,640 at all. 252 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:49,920 You only see the few posts and pictures I make public during the course of a year. 253 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,080 And that might be, I'll make up a number eight or nine when I actually post one to three 254 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,000 to six times a day, but you can't see any of that. 255 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,200 My public Facebook is very different than my private one. 256 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,800 4,000 people there. 257 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,360 I've met every one of them in person, but for 47, I think is the number now. 258 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:13,120 If you send me a friend request, you'll be 48, but 4,000, you know, approximately I've 259 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,480 met them all, real friends. 260 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,560 And so most of those, but, but the public one, I know what it looks like. 261 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:23,320 I, I, I look at it now and then from a public standpoint. 262 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,080 It is very different than once you actually get in there. 263 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,080 Just so you know that. 264 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,080 Okay. 265 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,080 No, no, no, no judgments. 266 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:37,040 This is, I'm seriously coming in, in this from, from a curiosity thing, curiosity standpoint 267 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,260 as it were. 268 00:13:38,260 --> 00:13:43,880 When I first found your Facebook, you had a series about four or five, and I'm guessing 269 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,720 this is after the Tik Tok said, I'm sorry, you can't be here with the rest of us where 270 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:56,000 you were doing some Facebook videos and they were advice geared to people who may be having 271 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,200 problems with their relationship. 272 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,200 And some of the videos from the ones that I saw, I didn't get a chance to see them all 273 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:10,880 that seem to have asked or tell women about how men perceive them or at least how they 274 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,080 should present themselves. 275 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:20,440 And I'm wondering while you were doing that, while you were making those videos and saying 276 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:26,360 about the solidity of their sexuality or anything else that you were bringing up in those videos, 277 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,560 did you ever think about the other side of the coin and how men are seeing them? 278 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:37,760 Like have you ever put out advice for the men perspective on how you are feeling when 279 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:38,760 you see these people? 280 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,560 May I ask you one question before I answer that? 281 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:42,560 Not a problem. 282 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:48,280 I hate people that ask a question with it, but I want to be clearer on the Facebook. 283 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,000 I have a Facebook account. 284 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,200 I think it's called Dear Marcus Allen and it's public and it has a bunch of videos. 285 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,720 I pretty well dropped the ball on that after a few videos, never was interested in it. 286 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,840 But my real Facebook account is Marcus Allen Frishman, my full name. 287 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,640 Are we talking about the Marcus Allen Frishman account that would have periodically a video? 288 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,760 Are you talking about this Dear Marcus Allen dead account that I actually only loaded videos 289 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,560 to for some short period of time? 290 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,040 This was one that looked like it had a video that posted up in either August or September 291 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,040 and the last time that I looked at the Facebook, I don't think the video is available right 292 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,040 now. 293 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,040 It may not be public anymore. 294 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,040 That's interesting. 295 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,760 Keep in mind, I invite you to join my Facebook, Marcus Allen Frishman, not the one for my 296 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:41,240 dog, not the one called Dear Marcus Allen, not the dead, the dead, you know, I don't 297 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,400 use, but they're there, I guess. 298 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:44,400 All right. 299 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:49,040 To answer your question, if you could be more specific on the actual video, because I don't 300 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,040 want to... 301 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,040 Let's see. 302 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,200 I can actually pull up the... 303 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,200 Give me a second. 304 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,640 Because all of those videos were from my heart. 305 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,400 They were from my really deep beliefs. 306 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:01,400 Sure. 307 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,400 No, you seem very convicted. 308 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,760 You seem very convicted of what you were saying. 309 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,240 It was interesting to watch somebody put themselves out like that. 310 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,040 It didn't put me off anything. 311 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:16,120 It made me curious on talking with you and just getting to know you. 312 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,400 Excuse me while I try to find that right now while I just... 313 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,400 Oh, sure. 314 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,400 I know a video. 315 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,800 The beauty of you doing this is you can edit all this wasted time out. 316 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:24,800 Oh, wait. 317 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,800 Look, you don't sweat the small stuff, Marcus Allen. 318 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:28,800 Don't sweat it. 319 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,680 I want to focus on this video that he's talking about. 320 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,680 Okay. 321 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,040 So I can tell you one, Marcus. 322 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,080 I can tell you one because you know I watch all your videos. 323 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,160 But I watch them with an eye. 324 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,040 So I've been through a lot as a kid. 325 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:53,440 So I understand why a lot of women would feel the way they do or like, why are you saying 326 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,440 that? 327 00:16:54,440 --> 00:17:00,440 So there was a video where when you're with a man and he does this look. 328 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,440 Oh. 329 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:02,440 Look. 330 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,960 The one about looking at the woman at the beach? 331 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:05,960 Yeah. 332 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:06,960 Yeah. 333 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Look, I'm all for it. 334 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:14,760 Like if my partner looks at another woman, it's not out of lusty grossness. 335 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:15,760 Oh, yeah. 336 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,760 Look at the other... 337 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,480 The looking at the other woman video. 338 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:20,960 That is one of the videos. 339 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:21,960 That is one of the videos. 340 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:22,960 It's not the one I have, I think. 341 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,960 It's not the one you have, but in the meantime, I'll comment on that. 342 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:25,960 Yeah. 343 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:26,960 Comment on that. 344 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,640 And then I found the transcript. 345 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:29,640 So we'll go over that. 346 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,640 Okay. 347 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,960 So I think it's obvious on that one. 348 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,000 Women are generally... 349 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:43,000 And this should not be perceived as a woman-man thing, but women and men, I'll put it that 350 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,200 way, are jealous. 351 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,080 Jealousy is a strong component in relationships. 352 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:54,120 And men are so visual that they watch women, they watch cars, they watch... 353 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:55,640 They're just visual. 354 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:00,760 And I focused on that video specifically on your man looking at some sexy woman at the 355 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:08,200 beach or in the pool and how it means nothing and how your relationship is not going to 356 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,800 be affected by that. 357 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,120 There's no effect. 358 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:12,120 He loves you. 359 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:14,320 He's with you. 360 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:20,400 And the fact that he's lusted momentarily for this woman that passed him by at the supermarket 361 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,880 or whatever it is, and you reacted, that just creates... 362 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,000 The problem is your reaction. 363 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,880 It's not the man looking. 364 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,200 You can't stop what God created. 365 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,320 Women are not visual as a rule. 366 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,320 You have to have rules. 367 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,120 There are rules in humanity. 368 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:39,760 And most women are not visual. 369 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:45,600 I mean, that's why pornography is designed and directed toward men, whether they are 370 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,880 straight or gay, not women. 371 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,080 And there are exceptions, more exceptions in the women version than the men version of 372 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,840 the visual concept. 373 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,160 But I just... 374 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:00,160 And I spent more time on the reassurance part, I think, in that video than explaining the 375 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,400 dynamic that triggered it, which is what I'm doing in reverse here. 376 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,120 But I felt that it means nothing. 377 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:12,400 And women should stop focusing on their man's straight eyes. 378 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,160 Well, and I get what you're saying. 379 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:21,840 But when you're with a good man, so my partner in the beginning of our relationship, we would 380 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:22,840 watch... 381 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:27,240 We like the Celeste or Stallone show with his daughters and things. 382 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:28,240 So do I. 383 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,240 Yeah. 384 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,520 So we were watching that in the beginning. 385 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:32,520 He tests me. 386 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,440 It's so funny. 387 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,120 So he's like, oh my God, have you seen her lips? 388 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:41,120 And then he'll look over at me. 389 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:45,880 And then my eyes are like, what am I supposed to say to that? 390 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:46,880 Like, you know... 391 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:47,880 Yeah, right. 392 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:48,880 I mean... 393 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,080 I have seen her face and her lips. 394 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,080 Thank you. 395 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,080 Yes. 396 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,800 Well, no, and I don't mind because I'm pan. 397 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,120 I don't mind as long as it's respectful. 398 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:00,120 Yeah. 399 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:07,920 It's something that's really off putting, really gross, like really comes from the ego. 400 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:08,920 And there's... 401 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,200 Now that's what I don't like. 402 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:18,240 And I think the misconception that women were having when watching your video was a 403 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,720 lot of them have to deal with ego. 404 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,360 That one, the one you described that was not... 405 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:27,480 You know, you can only use so much in six to 10 minutes. 406 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,720 Yeah, but also remember, I did videos to agitate people. 407 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,960 I did what I believed was true in my mind, but I like to trigger people. 408 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,840 I find it entertaining, enjoyable. 409 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,320 You're just stirring the shit over there. 410 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,320 Is that what I'm hearing? 411 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,000 Yeah, I like to stir. 412 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,000 I like it. 413 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000 It's a shit stir. 414 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,240 I have a buddy who says, you know exactly how to poke me in the right spot. 415 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,320 And I said, yeah, it's fun, but it's not with malice. 416 00:20:54,320 --> 00:21:01,360 There are small parts of the internet out there who take your words, not as that you're 417 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:07,840 taking the piss out of people, that you are actually coming at them with full intention 418 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,840 of bearing your soul. 419 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,760 And then they see that and they... 420 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:20,920 I think they start to see it and hear it for maybe your ego instead of somebody who is 421 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,960 trying to just kind of feel the temperate of what the internet is and just throwing out 422 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:26,960 your advice. 423 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,600 But that maybe you may be right on that. 424 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,840 I remember the worst one I did eat, if you never saw it, because it never was on TikTok. 425 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:43,920 I did a video years ago on the evils of single motherhood. 426 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,920 Oh no. 427 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:45,920 Oh yes. 428 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,920 Oh no. 429 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,640 Because love it, I went after single mothers. 430 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,640 I mean... 431 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,640 I actually believed my concepts, but it was... 432 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,920 Their outrageous... 433 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,120 My concepts on that subject were simple. 434 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,760 I can't remember the video exactly, but it was so bad. 435 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:04,800 I took it down. 436 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:10,120 This is pre-Facebook warnings, you know, it would have been never allowed now. 437 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:12,440 You were shitting stirring... 438 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,520 I said, look, here's what I didn't fully say because you can't. 439 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:22,400 But I was to be more blunt than that video and exaggerate the point of it is, it seems 440 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,960 to me you shouldn't have children unless you're married. 441 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,920 And I don't care if it's a man or a woman, a man and a man... 442 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:35,240 A married couple, because I think it's a necessity to raising children. 443 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,720 And I say this without being a father. 444 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,560 And I think a woman and a man are a better match for children. 445 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,960 But to have a child, you should be married. 446 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,480 You should have a partner. 447 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,800 You should be using protection. 448 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,200 You shouldn't be having casual sex without protection. 449 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,480 And if you're married, you should have sex with protection unless you plan on having 450 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,480 a child. 451 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,560 I say this all coming as an adoptee. 452 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,440 I'm adopted. 453 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,880 And I'm very much pro-life. 454 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,440 But I'm also very much pro-contraception. 455 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,520 It seems there's a lot of people having a lot of casual sex, having a lot of children, 456 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,680 and then the man runs away and the women become... 457 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,680 The women always take care of the kid. 458 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,920 And that's just a bad thing on so many levels. 459 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,800 It's a whole addiction. 460 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,200 There's a whole... 461 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,840 No one's educating young people and showing them. 462 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,960 I mean, it takes a very long time. 463 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,200 How about the women that plan on having a baby as a single mother? 464 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,200 And I did it. 465 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,200 Oh, those ladies. 466 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,200 The rich ones. 467 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,200 Well, I did it in reaction. 468 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,200 It could be that. 469 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,400 It could be the fact that they feel like they have enough to just carry on and shoulder 470 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,200 forward, but they also may think that they have enough village behind them. 471 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,200 That's true. 472 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,840 I did it in reaction to a Philippine visit when on the way back on the flight, I remember 473 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:02,160 asking Romeo, he was by my side on so many visits in the first five years. 474 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,440 I said, Romeo, why are there so many single mothers in the Philippines? 475 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,440 What's with that? 476 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,440 Young single mothers. 477 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,840 I don't understand it. 478 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,840 It's a Catholic country. 479 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,880 Are they all a bunch of hypocrites? 480 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:13,880 They have a base. 481 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,800 It's an official religion. 482 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,800 They're all Catholic. 483 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,160 They all go to church like every day. 484 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,720 I mean, not even weekends. 485 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,560 I had a girlfriend that was a Sunday school teacher. 486 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,440 I understand being Catholic. 487 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,560 I went to church with her and I don't get the Philippines. 488 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:38,840 And he just said to me, they're all hypocrites, Marcus, and they don't have access to contraception. 489 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,280 And the men abused the women. 490 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,280 I don't know. 491 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,440 He went on and on with this. 492 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,480 So I came back and did a rant on single women. 493 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,400 So you were emotionally charged. 494 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,680 You were emotionally charged. 495 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,640 You were feeling spiritually vindicated. 496 00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:03,880 I don't think enough people know that you come from an adopted scenario, which may help 497 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,440 people kind of understand what you're saying. 498 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,960 But I can also see where a lot of, if you're going off emotionally charged like that, and 499 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,520 for the views that you have, where there's going to be a lot of blowback from a lot of 500 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,120 the internet, especially from left-e sides or people who are experiencing single motherhood 501 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,960 from whatever situation that they are. 502 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,600 I could see where- I lost a lot of friends. 503 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,080 Let me tell you about Marcus and I, our friendship. 504 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,760 It is organic all the way. 505 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,760 We met. 506 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:45,880 I somehow landed on one of his videos and I was like, dude, what is going on over here? 507 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,280 People are hating on you. 508 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,920 Oh yeah, I had hate. 509 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,120 He was getting the hate slapped on him. 510 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,400 And I don't know. 511 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,280 He just started talking to me and we just started talking. 512 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,560 And I was hearing his message without attaching a meaning to it. 513 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:10,520 I didn't attach my childhood trauma, which we don't bond over that. 514 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,040 He knows my situation and I know his. 515 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,360 We don't bond over that. 516 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:16,360 We're new people. 517 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:17,760 We're in the present. 518 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,640 The past is the past. 519 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,160 But it's been a journey. 520 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,400 I mean, he's had his ass kicked all over TikTok. 521 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,480 I had 4 million viewers before I had to leave. 522 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,840 And I got to tell you, I had 2000 haters. 523 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:40,080 A lot of people sent me very nice messages that said, you know, you changed my son's 524 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,080 life. 525 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,320 I did a bullying video and she, this woman, I'll never forget it. 526 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,040 It almost brought me to tears. 527 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:55,040 But the hate, I tried, it was self-inflicted because I liked to trigger people because 528 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,320 it was all about getting views. 529 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,440 Don't believe I offered anything that I didn't sincerely believe, although I used exaggerated 530 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,120 points to get my point out there. 531 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,440 So you don't actually agree with exaggerated points. 532 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,840 It's the best way to get people's attention. 533 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,640 But you had a video particularly that was. 534 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:22,240 So we'll do the first two paragraphs and see if you remember where this is coming from. 535 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,000 This was one of the latest ones that I saw. 536 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,160 I think it was the first one I was scrolling. 537 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:34,480 Ladies, we've established that the power in visual and men, oh, so this is actually that 538 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,960 one I think is not comparable to women and that your man may no longer find you attractive 539 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,800 as he did when he first met you. 540 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,880 One million viewers on video 55 and 52 on that subject. 541 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,480 There's been several videos. 542 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,480 Yeah. 543 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,040 And then the next one is the one that grabbed my attention because I felt like this felt 544 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,040 baby. 545 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,000 Like you were like you had a hook and you had some bait on it. 546 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,040 You just wanted to see who would bite. 547 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,880 You're fleeing from heterosexuality and becoming lesbians according to your own words in the 548 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,720 tune of thousands of comments, some of which I had to delete because of profanities. 549 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,720 Is that what sounds familiar? 550 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:12,720 Yeah. 551 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,720 Yeah. 552 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,720 What else did I say in that? 553 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,720 Right. 554 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,400 I mean, it goes on. 555 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:25,720 But I mean, it was, they were talking, this one was talking about the bikini in the beach. 556 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,160 This was the video that we were talking about. 557 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,240 I didn't realize that we were talking about the same one. 558 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,160 But yeah, we were talking about he's lusting after other people with his eyes. 559 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,400 It's a momentary thing. 560 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,960 Don't lose heart. 561 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,720 Which I feel can, I feel if you were going, if you were coming from a place where you 562 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,960 wanted to jump into the middle of the pool, you probably wouldn't have gendered it so much. 563 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:49,960 Right? 564 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,960 And I'm descending. 565 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,960 Yeah. 566 00:28:52,960 --> 00:29:00,040 And maybe you had gone just like, maybe from them days or just kept it like neutral pronouns 567 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,240 or whatever have you. 568 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,360 But that doesn't sound like what you were aiming for. 569 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:13,360 I will say from the, I was, as I was reading that one again, I'm reminded of the times 570 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:19,760 that my wife and I are comfortable to point out either ridiculous looking people in our 571 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,600 own little private space, like from the safety of our car, we're just being gremlins or finding 572 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,720 like attractive people online, which the one person that comes to mind right now, who I 573 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,120 have currently have a crush on is a guy named Dylan on the newest season of the Great British 574 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,440 Breaking show. 575 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,000 I think he's amazing looking and he's a great baker and I think he's great. 576 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,560 And Marley teases me about it because we're comfortable knowing that I'm not sitting there 577 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,400 going, I'm going to look up Dylan and I'm going to try to send him mail and all this. 578 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,400 Right. 579 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,000 Get in the back door kind of thing. 580 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,640 It's even, it even is stranger when you, and I think I made this point in some videos 581 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,000 when you fantasize about up, I use the word fantasize. 582 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,400 I'm not sure that's right, but think about her, talk about her, focus on famous attract, 583 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000 supposed attractive people that you're attracted to. 584 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,160 That's a whole different thing I think than, you know, the random attractive woman that 585 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,200 passes you in the market or whatever. 586 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,480 Well, one's ego, right? 587 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,480 Yeah. 588 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,480 One's ego. 589 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,520 And then the other one, you and Marley are sitting in the living room, you're doing it 590 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,240 together, you're open, you know, there's no fear. 591 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,480 It's a communal experience. 592 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,480 It really is. 593 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,480 Exactly. 594 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,720 It's back and forth. 595 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:44,760 I think, Marcus, that these words that you're putting out there, these videos, they're grabbing 596 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:53,000 the attention of people who don't have their shit together or think that they really do, 597 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:59,600 are happy where they are and can't imagine where people can't be in the same kind of 598 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,280 headspace that you are. 599 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,680 And I think that makes me understand you a little more. 600 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:11,160 And I'll be honest with you, there's a modicum of respect for somebody who's willing to put 601 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,880 that out there and know that there's going to be people who disagree with you. 602 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,800 Like, I'll be honest with you, I kind of censor myself sometimes when I go out on the internet 603 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:26,240 because I want to make sure that I have built my whole thing on whoever comes comes if you're 604 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,920 an asshole, you got to go. 605 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,400 But you know your people. 606 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,240 And that's kind of refreshing there, Marcus. 607 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,040 You know what comes to mind when you say this. 608 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:45,840 My thoughts and I think reality on this concept of equity, diversity and inclusion sounds like 609 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,240 a pretty noble thing. 610 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,240 Yeah. 611 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:55,080 Probably the worst policy, if you want to call it that, public policy or social policy 612 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,520 that exists in the world today. 613 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,080 Please explain that. 614 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,080 It's evil. 615 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,920 It's absolute evil. 616 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,680 And I don't even want to go into the normal response of these conservative nuts that I 617 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:16,040 have to watch on my YouTube that will say, well, it puts, they would say, it puts an 618 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:24,360 unqualified black man in the helm of an airplane carrying a lot of passengers when he's not 619 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:31,680 qualified because he got the benefits of equity, diversity and inclusion. 620 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,240 That's the rhetoric. 621 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,560 That's that kind of thing. 622 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:42,760 Phyllian described it differently is what's put out there by people like me that have 623 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,400 views like me that put that out. 624 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,840 It may in fact be true, but it's not. 625 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:56,600 There's a much bigger reason why the equity, diversity and inclusion turns into be worse 626 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,680 than that and evil. 627 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,960 Let's see if I can explain it. 628 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:10,240 It's because it separates us by race, ethnicity, religion and color. 629 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:20,240 And it gives embistose supposed benefits upon supposed disadvantage, color, race, religion, 630 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,880 fill in the blank of the categories. 631 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:29,120 When in fact, what we should be working on is real inclusion because I think those words 632 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,720 are, they sound nice, but they're fake. 633 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,920 They have an end result that is completely the opposite. 634 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,240 Well, then what is real inclusion? 635 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:44,040 Diversity and inclusion because let's focus, let's ignore our color. 636 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,320 Let's ignore our races. 637 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,080 Let's ignore our different religions. 638 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:56,440 And why don't we start having rather than these crazy groups that focus on equality. 639 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,200 Some of them are terrorist groups like the African American group. 640 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,920 The point is what we should be focusing on is what we agree on, what we get along on. 641 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,840 Maybe it's astronomy, maybe it's art, maybe it's other hobbies, maybe it's interest in 642 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,840 religion. 643 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:20,960 We should have groups and people focused on commonalities, not our differences. 644 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,800 And then we can all just get along as a... 645 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,720 Instead of labeling it and I learned this up here. 646 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:36,200 And then you won't have these right wingers criticizing it for petty reasons and we can 647 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,080 really move forward in equality. 648 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,480 I gotta tell you, there are disadvantaged people in America, but the disadvantage is 649 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,480 economic. 650 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,640 It ain't race, religion. 651 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,280 Let's focus on the race thing because it isn't race. 652 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,440 It's not because you're black. 653 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,160 It's because you're poor. 654 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,080 And most blacks are poor. 655 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,840 70 plus percent of welfare recipients are in fact black. 656 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,240 So I'm not offering opinions here. 657 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:02,560 That's an empirical fact. 658 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,240 I forget the exact number, 72, 77. 659 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:07,560 The point is they're poor. 660 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:13,520 And if we as a society, we're privately and in government, would help people economically, 661 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,280 economically, not because of their color. 662 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,920 It will help a lot of white people. 663 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,920 That's great. 664 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,560 It will help a lot of other people, but it will disproportionately help ethnic minorities, 665 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,520 but you help poor people. 666 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,240 You don't help people who don't need help. 667 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:35,200 And with even playing field that I believe America provides everyone except for the economically 668 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,960 disadvantaged, that's what we have to help. 669 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,640 And we need to help them in so many, so many levels. 670 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,760 So nobody talks like that. 671 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,840 I've got to ask because of the fact of where this is coming from, because of who you are, 672 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,040 because of what you're saying, can you not say that you are coming at this with a little 673 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,040 bit of survivor bias? 674 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,040 What does that mean? 675 00:35:54,040 --> 00:36:00,560 So survivor bias is the idea that they use a plane that is being shot at over war zone 676 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:08,000 as an example where a plane is being shot at, the plane lands on the ground. 677 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,680 Everybody goes, you were in danger. 678 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,680 You were in danger. 679 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,680 You were in all of the same. 680 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,120 It probably goes, no, I'm fine. 681 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,120 I survived. 682 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,120 I'm good. 683 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,680 And then behind him, his plane is just like riddled with bulls. 684 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:28,080 For somebody who may be in the plane, who right now is not experiencing the things that 685 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:34,240 some people may have, whether or not I don't know the numbers enough to go into the racial 686 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,560 numbers on who's poor, who's not. 687 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:45,120 I mean, I live in an area that seems pretty, that's very close to some people who are in 688 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,640 desperate, yeah, they're in desperate situations. 689 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,720 And I have to say, I don't see a white face among them. 690 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:57,800 That's why it's important to help, when I say help, that's a big word. 691 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:05,400 I mean, all the programs and advantages and special considerations should go to economically 692 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,760 disadvantaged people, regardless of color. 693 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,800 If we want to eliminate discrimination and racism. 694 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,800 I got to call time. 695 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,800 I got to call time. 696 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,800 That's over an hour and a half, yeah. 697 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,120 Okay, no, that was, oh, we were just getting into conversation. 698 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,120 It was good though. 699 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,120 We were getting good. 700 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,120 Okay. 701 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,040 Marcus, dude, you're welcome back. 702 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,040 Anytime. 703 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,120 Yeah, we're doing this again. 704 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,120 This was fun. 705 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,120 And I still got so many notes to talk to. 706 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,120 I have a question of curiosity. 707 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,120 May I ask a question? 708 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,120 Sure. 709 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,120 Michael, okay. 710 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:44,400 Michael, I watched you on some podcast with Edith. 711 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,520 And I learned you were bisexual. 712 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,280 Yeah, probably this one. 713 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,280 Okay, fine. 714 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:54,120 But you were married and bisexual. 715 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,120 Absolutely. 716 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,120 Okay. 717 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,480 So my question is kind of broad and I don't know how to ask the specifics. 718 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,480 How does that... 719 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,080 I think you've got time for this, Edith, with this play. 720 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,920 How does that work? 721 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,640 How does it work out? 722 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,760 I just leave it with how does that work, exactly? 723 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:18,200 You're married to a woman, but you like or are attracted to two sexes, but you're fully 724 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,560 committed to your wife. 725 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,760 So far you're on the right track. 726 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,760 Does that cause trouble? 727 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,800 Because your wife can't ask to fill... 728 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,360 This is a story that I could revisit in this show. 729 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,360 So, okay. 730 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,360 Tell him. 731 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,360 Yeah. 732 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,360 Okay, so real quick. 733 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,880 Here's the lay down. 734 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,480 Growing up, probably around the time that I'm in my book. 735 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,920 So between the ages of five to I say about 21, somewhere in between there, probably around 736 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:54,040 the age of 14, 15, I start to realize that not all my fantasies are about women only. 737 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,400 It's something I don't know, have anybody to talk to about. 738 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,560 So I just compartmentalize it. 739 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,600 I shove it away and I just focus on being straight. 740 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,280 Me going to the Navy. 741 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,880 And while I was in the military, it was like it was all bottled up. 742 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,800 All of a sudden I'm starting to have dreams. 743 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,800 I'm starting to have fantasies. 744 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:18,160 And it's like, okay, no, this is definitely a part of me that I'm not addressing. 745 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,480 So I try to bring it up to my wife at the time, my first wife. 746 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:27,560 Her exact response to me was, are you really coming at me with this shit right now? 747 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,200 When you're trying to be yourself, it's hard to hear the words. 748 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,160 She didn't, you married her without her knowing you're bisexual. 749 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,160 Yeah. 750 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,160 There you have. 751 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,600 And I didn't really address it within myself because I was just thinking it was flights 752 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,840 of fancy teenage hormones. 753 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,560 Who knows what it's doing to the brain? 754 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,440 Flash forward a few years later, we're out of the military. 755 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,960 I'd say it's about five, six years out of the military at this point. 756 00:39:52,960 --> 00:40:02,400 I start to want to explore to see what I want to do to satisfy myself sexually. 757 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,000 There are experiences that I've never had. 758 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,400 There are toys that will help facilitate that. 759 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,200 I want to explore that. 760 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,880 And then I come up to her, she's a lot more receptive this time. 761 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,640 She's like, okay, well, do you want to shop toys together? 762 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,280 Stuff like that. 763 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,120 And that gave me kind of a sort of validation to kind of work on it. 764 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,360 It leveled my mental playing field. 765 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,720 She asked, hey, are you wanting to try to get in a relationship with somebody? 766 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:29,280 And I'm like, no, I'm, I'm an agamist. 767 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,120 I, I don't like the idea of opening anything up. 768 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,400 I like growing and spending my time with that person. 769 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,480 And then we get to just ogle people from afar. 770 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,480 It's fine. 771 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,360 So then that relationship ends in the way that it does. 772 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:46,120 It's in, like I said, it was good separation, but I mean, it was relatively good. 773 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,320 The first thing, not the first thing, it's not like I walked in the door with, and this 774 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,640 is how the title of this podcast came in with a cup of coffee. 775 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,720 And it's like, here, here's bisexual coffee. 776 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:56,720 I am bisexual. 777 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:57,920 You know, it wasn't like that. 778 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,080 A couple of conversations in, we start talking about sexuality, trying to get to know each 779 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,080 other. 780 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,000 And I just open up with her and it's like, yeah, hey, I'm bisexual. 781 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,320 And she thought she was getting like, to use a term that I haven't heard for, for a while 782 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,000 from what I found from you, metrosexual. 783 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,480 She thought like I would be like, well-dressed and, and great. 784 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,600 I'm like, no, I have a lot to learn about all that. 785 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,360 Mine is just basically fantasizing about guys and appreciating their hotness and realizing 786 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,120 that I like both. 787 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,520 Um, she's, she's done a lot for me now. 788 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,640 I feel like I'm a better man because of her. 789 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,600 But from there, we're open with each other. 790 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,600 She's straight. 791 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,440 I mean, she'll appreciate the beauty of other people, but she's not really sexually attracted 792 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:49,680 to anybody, but guys, she entertained my little flights of, of fancy just looking at somebody 793 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,440 going, wow, the guy's really ripped. 794 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,440 You're not talking about the second wife. 795 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,320 Yes, I'm now talking about the second wife. 796 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,320 Yeah. 797 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,040 Because you married a wife that knows you're bisexual. 798 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,040 We're all from the beginning. 799 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:06,360 So, uh, and she got the benefit of me growing up in another relationship and finding out 800 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,920 who I was, which, um, I think if anybody starts off in a relationship, that's actually good. 801 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,000 Take the benefits that you learned, learned from many negatives and build something nice. 802 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,960 And, but also realize that some of those things you learn aren't one to one with whoever, 803 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,960 whoever you know. 804 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,280 So that's how it works. 805 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,280 It's understanding. 806 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,280 It's communication. 807 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,280 It's openness. 808 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,760 It's, uh, you got to get with somebody. 809 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,720 Well, one who doesn't just look at you dead in the eye and goes, Oh, I'm homophobic. 810 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:33,560 That happened to me recently. 811 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,960 Just to a random person, which is wild. 812 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:43,920 Well, you know, Michael, I'm in, I'm in Los Angeles, you know, California, the people 813 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:44,920 for public. 814 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,480 You can't be a homophobic here. 815 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:56,720 Of course, I grew up, uh, when I was, um, 13 years old, I was walking my dog and I made 816 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:00,360 friends with four guys who lived in a house. 817 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,600 They were in their twenties. 818 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,120 A couple of weeks ago, I was invited to one of their homes to have dinner. 819 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,000 He's 84, 85 right now. 820 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,000 Something that I asked him. 821 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,360 These were two male couples and I'm 13 years old and I'm walking the dog. 822 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,160 And, um, I liked these people. 823 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,680 One of them's name was Saul. 824 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,400 He was a stained glass artist. 825 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,400 One was Dennis. 826 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,280 He was a gardener. 827 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,360 One was Michael, an interior decorator and one was Robert, who I didn't know very well. 828 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,880 He came and went, uh, he was a telephone employee, telephone company employee. 829 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,060 And I would go there and hang out and hang out a lot. 830 00:43:41,060 --> 00:43:46,360 And then, you know, I lived in that, I went to middle school and high school in that house 831 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,480 and they lived down the street. 832 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,080 And so I was there four, five, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11 years. 833 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,960 And during that time they lived there. 834 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,800 My father becomes concerned because he's met them and knows they're gay and he thinks I'm 835 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,560 going to be gay. 836 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,080 And I said to my dad, you know, you don't become gay. 837 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,440 You either are gay or you're not. 838 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,680 And I suppose there are things that shock you into being gay, but, but, you know, that's 839 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,680 an exception. 840 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:19,000 And I had to educate my dad because he was concerned and it turned out my dad, uh, uh, 841 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,000 became good friends with all four of those men. 842 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,000 And they would be at the house. 843 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,000 That's a nice story, Mark. 844 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,240 It is a great story. 845 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:30,480 And so I became sensitized to that. 846 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,600 I would go to middle school of sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, then you go to 847 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,480 high school, ninth, 10th, 11th, 12th. 848 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:45,440 And, uh, kids made fun of me for hanging out with these older gay men. 849 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,440 Their loss. 850 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,200 Uh, it never dawned on me. 851 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,200 That's right. 852 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,640 Well, I mean, you could reflect back on this. 853 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,520 I don't think at the time I gave it any thought, but reflecting back on it, it made me now, 854 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:03,880 now, I mean, shortly after that realize I don't have a gay bone in my body, but it made 855 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:09,320 me realize that, um, at that time, late seventies. 856 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,320 Okay. 857 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,400 Uh, that has to be the late seventies. 858 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,480 So it was not, it was not cool to be gay. 859 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,480 No, definitely not. 860 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,480 No. 861 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,480 In the seventies. 862 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:24,520 It evolved very early on on that subject and, uh, by, by time I hit the eighties and I was 863 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:31,440 in college, it seemed to have, it wasn't a thing, but, but everyone was in the closet. 864 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,080 And then suddenly everybody wasn't, uh, really. 865 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,800 And then it became all the doors open at the same time. 866 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,400 What I'm trying to say is that I'm way ahead of everybody else on that subject that was 867 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,960 shocking to, to like my father, my father's reaction. 868 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,560 He was accepting, but he was shocked. 869 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,080 I never had the shock. 870 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,480 I never had the shock. 871 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,360 You know, you're an exceptional human, Marcus. 872 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,360 You really are. 873 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,120 You've got, you're a terrible assume. 874 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,160 My God, you've got layers, layers. 875 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,800 And, um, I'll, we'll, I'll schedule you again. 876 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:13,200 By the way, I supported the gay rights marriages in California in 1990s when I was on the executive 877 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,240 board of the Republican party much later, but I was in active in the Republican party 878 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:23,120 in California and they were opposed to this, almost all the party, not all of it, but a 879 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:28,920 small group was not led by, he was leading the small group, Kevin McCarthy, our former 880 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,880 speaker, my dear friend. 881 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:38,240 He was leading the group supporting, uh, gay marriages and, uh, abortion rights in the 882 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,640 Republican party in the nineties in California. 883 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:48,680 And so I became the go to guy for both sides in the negotiation. 884 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,600 Conservatives who are against all of this always won and I was always on the conservative 885 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,720 side, but I didn't always agree with, um, with any of that. 886 00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:02,400 I voted, I voted for, uh, the gay marriages. 887 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,720 Are you telling me? 888 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:04,720 No. 889 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,360 That you believe that love is love? 890 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,000 I believe love is love. 891 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,200 And I believe there might be. 892 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:22,440 I believe there's an anomaly in God's creation that makes men gay that can't be explained, 893 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,280 makes women gay that can't be explained. 894 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,280 And that's for the next episode. 895 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,280 Okay. 896 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,280 I can't explain it. 897 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,280 Because we're on two hours. 898 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,280 Oh, either. 899 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,280 Oh my goodness. 900 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,280 This is awesome. 901 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,280 We had a great time. 902 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,120 This is, I think this is one of the easiest flowing conversations that we've had. 903 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,080 And it's something that we're striving for too, is to have easier conversations, get 904 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,360 comfortable with these people, and then start hitting some topics later on. 905 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,120 Think of this as season one, man. 906 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,200 I appreciate you coming in. 907 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,200 You know what's interesting, Michael? 908 00:47:52,200 --> 00:48:00,080 The most interesting thing to me is not hate, like I experienced on TikTok with 2000 people, 909 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:06,040 but disagreement of the, you know, maybe 10,000 people, disagreement, people that disagree 910 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,600 with me is the most fascinating. 911 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,040 People that agree with me, that's not interesting. 912 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,040 Oh, it's nice. 913 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,360 It makes you feel good, but it's not interesting. 914 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,840 And I'd rather have interesting than feel good. 915 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,840 And so bring it on. 916 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,960 Let's talk about something we disagree on. 917 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,960 Okay. 918 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,960 Let's make some discourse. 919 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,800 We're going to make discourse next time. 920 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,080 And he was on NOMT and he had everybody popping. 921 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,080 Oh, I bet. 922 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,080 NOMT, what's that? 923 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,080 Naked Onion Mystery Tourist Podcast. 924 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,080 That's Naked Onion Mystery Tourist Podcast. 925 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,080 Yeah. 926 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,080 So, um... 927 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,080 You mean with the ladies? 928 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,080 Yes. 929 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,080 Yes. 930 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,080 Michael, did you do that? 931 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,080 I'm going to... 932 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,080 Did you do that? 933 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,080 That's hers. 934 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,080 We'll do it all. 935 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,080 We'll do it all. 936 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:57,080 We'll have Michael and the other ladies and we'll all go on NOMT and we'll do that too. 937 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,080 Those ladies were too nice to me. 938 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,080 Yes, they were. 939 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,800 And Marcus, I did the intro this time. 940 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,760 I even said the $7 thing. 941 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,760 Do you want to get us on home, Edith? 942 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,760 Yeah, pick up your microphone. 943 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,760 Come on. 944 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:10,760 Okay. 945 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,760 Get professional here. 946 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:18,360 Marcus Allen, thank you for being on bisexual coffee. 947 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,560 It's only $7. 948 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,640 Don't let it break the bank. 949 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,760 And peace out and word to your mother. 950 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:40,400 winged by neighbour Samuel 951 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:50,000 Graham