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Welcome back to bisexual podcast.

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That's not right.

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Welcome back to bisexual coffee.

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Yeah.

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Get the goosebumps out.

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Pop, pop.

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Welcome back to bisexual coffee,

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where it's only $7 and it won't break the bank.

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Today's gonna be a little bit different

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because Edith is going to be kind of a mediator,

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kind of in the background,

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making sure everything is running smoothly.

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She's also gonna jump in in case for some reason

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I have to go somewhere.

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And we're gonna focus on today's guest,

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Marcus Allen Frishman,

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who is a very interesting individual.

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It's first time on the podcast

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and we wanna make sure our focus is on him.

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So we hope you enjoy and let us know

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what you think in the comments.

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You know, I have a nickname.

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It's called Sir Chief.

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Tell us about it.

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I will in a minute.

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But I think we should just add like everything

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as your nickname.

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Just the word everything.

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Everything, yeah, everything.

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Because you're everything.

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I mean, we could call her bagel,

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short for everything bagel, I'm fine with that.

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Oh, I like that.

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Everything bagel. I like that too.

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We're under something.

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Excuse me, Michael.

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Hi, I'm Marcus.

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Hello, Marcus.

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I shake your hand,

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but that's hard to do through a computer screen.

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How are you?

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Oh, I'm not a big toucher.

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Okay, well, I would delight in making you one comfortable.

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I'm not kidding.

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Look, I love the COVID moments

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because I didn't have to shake hands.

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I will say this.

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I am a big fan of maintaining the six foot distance

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in the grocery store now.

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People will get very close behind you

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because they feel like that's the same thing to do.

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I will move to the other end of my cart,

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put the handle and the entire cart between me

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and somebody else.

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The last time I did that to somebody,

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I could hear them in the background going,

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I'm not a toucher.

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I respect that.

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I don't do that because I'm not...

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You know, I am a hugger,

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but I'm not a toucher of hands.

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Hands are really dirty.

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You'll put your entire body against someone,

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but the hands are a no-no.

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Well, they're close.

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We're storing a punch story on the hands.

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So when I was 817,

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I was volunteering at the Motion Picture Health and Welfare Fund

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for a couple of years, actually one year.

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They suggested I become a nurse.

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So they had a training program for nursing assistants.

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I went into that program and came a nurse

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and then stayed there three years as an employee

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doing de-cubitus care.

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But the point is I had an in-service where

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we didn't know what it was about.

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It was a secret in-service.

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In-service, you know what an in-service is, Edith.

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Michael may not know what the word means.

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It means training in your job.

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Okay, so we have this half-hour training program.

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We go into a trailer and we don't know why.

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We're handed a piece of paper and we're all sitting down

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and she turns the lights out at about the 15-minute mark.

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After a dumb lecture that was completely irrelevant.

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The paper had a glowing substance on it.

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So we touched this paper.

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We were told to put it down after we touched it.

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Never to touch it again.

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And then she's doing a lecture 15 minutes later.

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The lights go out and the black light goes on.

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And what is glowing, let me assure you,

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it was way more than the paper.

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It was quite embarrassing, the spots on the body

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that people were touching.

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All over your face.

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And she did it to prove the contamination of bacteria

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on the hands.

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They could pass easily with viruses.

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That would definitely be a lesson that would stick with me.

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I can see why you got it.

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That's in your brain now.

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I can tell.

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Look, I have the same aversion to hands that Marcus does.

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I know what he's talking about because when you work in the hospital,

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there's something called hospital acquired infections.

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Sure, I guess.

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And in the hospital, they have teams of people that will go in

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and clean a hospital room because of the amount of,

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dare I say it, fecal matter that is all over.

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It's all over everything.

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Think about the gas pump.

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On how much fecal matter there is everywhere.

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Anyway, that's just a tangent.

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And I'll just say that.

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Yeah, you know,

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I'm a fast learner here on bisexual coffee and we, we welcome them.

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We normally, we hug them, but we will only fist bump them.

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I'm a more of a fist bumper now that I'm thinking about it back,

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but, you know, before COVID and everything like that,

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I, it was like the Southern thing to do.

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You just shook a band's hand and yeah.

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And now after COVID fist bumping is more of the thing anyway.

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But if I recognize a hugger in our elbows.

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And I'm like, I'm not going to hug you.

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I'm not going to hug you.

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I'm not going to hug you.

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So I'd be like, yeah, bring it in.

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I've been like that for years.

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Much to most of my bosses.

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Bosses is the people who were above me.

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Dismay because I'd be hugging everybody.

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He's like, please stop hugging people.

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I'm like, I love my fellow man.

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I don't know what's wrong with that.

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So questions.

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We've got questions for you, Mark.

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Oh boy.

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Just so you know, just so it's on the record.

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I think there are topics that will touch on.

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Possibly.

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I'm going to react to you.

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But if we don't, I might want to mention a few and might even hold

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one up to the, because I think they're great.

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Concepts.

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Big picture on some things, but that will be reactive to you.

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I, I, I, I think that's a great idea.

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I think we're going to be able to,

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we're going to be able to,

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we're going to be able to get to the bottom of it.

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I think we're going to be able to get to the bottom of it.

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I think that's a great idea.

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I think we're going to be able to get to the bottom of it.

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I think really you've come this far.

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If you're just looking to have us explore the stage with you in

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the next few guys,

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I'm very interested to see exactly how much overlap we have because

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I will say this.

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I'm coming into your sphere of influence and kind of finding the

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bredcrumbs of the internet where your name is peppered all

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throughout.

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with other people using your name in and you actually begin.

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Here's what I wanna do.

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I wanna go, I have a list of things

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and we can jump around as we want to, as we need to.

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But the first thing that I wanna dig into

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is some of the more sensational stuff

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in the first one being what you have given yourself,

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for one thing, labels.

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You put yourself, give yourself labels

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and from what I can tell,

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one of them, especially your email,

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which I'm not gonna blast out here for other people,

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gives you a title that I don't think

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you actually have within the government

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and I'm wondering.

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I love this question.

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Yeah, is this your way of putting it out there

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into the universe for hoping of reaping it later?

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Ha ha ha ha.

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Next question.

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Ha ha ha ha.

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We don't have to give the email address out

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but needless to say, we will say that it begins with Senator.

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Yes.

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Okay, so I was a student body senator.

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I was given an email address before I had a computer.

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I was also smart enough to resign

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from USC student body senator position

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to take up the, I think it was $75 a day

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and that was a lot, but it was student money.

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So they, $75 a day job as the parliamentarian instead.

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But I retained this email address that I never used.

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But when I finally got my computer and account,

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after I graduated, you have to think about it.

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I opened a account as my internet provider

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and an email provider and both internet and email.

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And I remember just reopening an account.

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They said, you have an account based on some basis.

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And that was it.

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And only once, only once do I recall

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in my entire experience with that.

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And that is my only email address.

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When I say only, I'll explain that too.

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Only once do I remember anyone saying,

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hey, are you a senator?

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What does this mean or whatever it was?

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I remember the moment.

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It was a hotel reservation.

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I was doing.

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Oh, I like it.

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And she came back with, are you a senator?

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And she oddly enough, this woman who was an employee

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at physically at the hotel asked me again when I arrived.

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other than people very close to me saying,

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hey, why is your email?

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Now is my provider of email.

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And I think there's a Gmail.

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I don't use it.

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I think my business internet site has a email address

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that forwards, not I think I know, but I don't use it.

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I don't, the only email I use to send anybody anything

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is the one you refer.

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That's wild to me because I have,

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and I just counted them up the other day

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when I was answering a poll because somebody wanted to know,

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hey, how many email addresses you have

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just because it's the internet to ask questions like that.

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And I have six Gmail.

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And I'm pretty sure if I wanted to,

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I could reopen my hotmail if I want to.

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I never got an AOL one and I know that I have

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at least two Yahoo because when I first got an email,

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it was Yahoo.

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I had a Yahoo, but I never used the email.

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And I have an Apple.

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Apple's assigned you, you have an Apple account,

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you get an Apple, but I don't use incoming

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or outgoing any of those.

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So you don't have-

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It's for the cloud.

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You don't have a junk email.

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Like I have one that I give to people

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when I just don't want to deal with it.

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The closest we have to any other email being used is my,

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and I'd have to think what it is.

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I don't know.

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Don't, don't, don't talk to yourself.

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All right, so I can, it's anyway, it's my business email

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and it's forwards to-

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So that's a simple question.

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Thank you.

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No, my mother predicted, she had some psychic ability.

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And she said my son is going to be a senator,

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but she said it many times, but I have not,

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she was, I think she said it

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pre my student body senator position.

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So-

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I mean, that makes her right.

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She made it right.

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That's right.

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Well, she called it.

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She sounds pretty smart.

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She was a wonderful lady.

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Yeah.

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Go ahead, now, I'm sorry to belabor the-

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No, this is-

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No, that's all right.

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It's conversation, Mark.

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It's just-

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This is fine.

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So the other thing that I wanted to know

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when we're talking about titles is another one,

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which I'm sure has a heck of a story,

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and I would love for you to regale people

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who don't know you about terrorists, Hunter.

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The short version is I was forced to go to the Philippines

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for a five year period due to my work,

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a component of my work.

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I became very well known there

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because I was essentially

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California's representative to the Philippines.

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We have the third or fourth largest investor in the Philippines.

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Most people don't know that,

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even we don't know that in California,

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but it was a fact.

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I did something that saved that investment

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that was going to be divested by leadership of California.

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Leadership's a significant word there.

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And I single-handedly saved it kind of accidentally.

300
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Now that's a great story in itself,

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but the point is that's what gets the Philippines

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under protest.

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I didn't want to go and I kept going significantly

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three to four months a year for five years,

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living in a hotel.

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I'd say three, five days.

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Under protest each time,

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or by like the second time you just kind of knew

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this was your lot.

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No, okay, let's digress.

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So the first visit, I went to my boss and I said,

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are you kidding me?

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I got to go to the,

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they want to honor me, the boss,

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but they're going to honor you.

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You go.

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Okay.

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Can I turn the 14 day visit into seven days?

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Please, no, you're going with Romeo

320
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and you're going to love it

321
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and you're going to do your job

322
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and he's setting up all these things

323
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and the government of the Philippines,

324
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the president wants you, the speaker wants,

325
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everybody wants him.

326
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All right, I'll go.

327
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Well, remember I tried to reduce that 14 day trip

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to seven days.

329
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I had a blog and a girlfriend here.

330
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I don't want to go to the Philippines.

331
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I'm not a traveler to new places.

332
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It's not my style.

333
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A lot of reasons, but I had to go.

334
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So I went on day 36,

335
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Romeo and I get off the elevator.

336
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Romeo is my employee, my colleague.

337
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The highest ranking Filipino political appointee

338
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in California, mind you.

339
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He had some stature and he, but he worked for me

340
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and he and I are at opposite ends

341
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of the hotel Shangri-La hallway

342
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by Romeo entering our room in the afternoon

343
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and I look down at the floor and there's a message

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and I pick it up and it says,

345
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if you don't come home, you're fired.

346
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Whoa.

347
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And I quickly exit to the back of the hall.

348
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Romeo had the same message, boss, he shouts to me.

349
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I said, Romeo, you got to say, we realized,

350
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meet in the hall, we have the same message.

351
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It looks like the boss wants us back.

352
00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:43,840
He called me boss, I called him.

353
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We both have the same book.

354
00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,360
And this boss was elected official,

355
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the second highest ranking Republican

356
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and the fifth largest economy of the world, California.

357
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It wasn't the governor, but somebody else.

358
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We decided we better quickly communicate and get back.

359
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That took us a week to actually do that.

360
00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:03,160
We got back, boss was happy,

361
00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,920
but the point of the story is,

362
00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,160
the trip I wanted to turn seven days turned into 36

363
00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,600
and frankly, I was willing to extend.

364
00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,360
I enjoyed the pomp and circumstance of that visit

365
00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:20,360
that repeated itself in equal ways for many,

366
00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,720
for at least two years and then slowly diminished

367
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over the five year period that I went there.

368
00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,680
It resulted in significant political advantage

369
00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,360
for my boss in California on a micro level

370
00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,200
with Filipinos.

371
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We have 1.6 million of them at the time,

372
00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,240
the largest conglomerate of Filipinos

373
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in any place in the country.

374
00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,200
And so politically, it was a thing.

375
00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,760
It's really not a Republican thing

376
00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,000
to go after ethnic groups,

377
00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,400
but you take what you can get

378
00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,240
and it was forced upon us essentially by the circumstances.

379
00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,760
So we pursued it and we raised a lot of money

380
00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:56,880
from Filipino groups.

381
00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,360
Anyway, I'm forgetting the original premise of the question.

382
00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,360
Oh, terrorism.

383
00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,160
I'm established.

384
00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,280
I'm in the paper, I'm on television.

385
00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,600
Everyone knows me, the words getting out.

386
00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,600
At some point, I will say seven years into the Philippines

387
00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:14,800
because I got a girlfriend,

388
00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,240
broke up with my American girlfriend of 14 years,

389
00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,940
got a Filipino girlfriend that I met on my very first visit.

390
00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,200
Met her within the first two weeks of my first visit.

391
00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,080
So I had a reason to go back now.

392
00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,240
I had a life in the Philippines

393
00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,520
after the job ends in 2008 and I keep going back,

394
00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:35,720
but I don't go back monthly.

395
00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,960
I go back long periods, three to four months,

396
00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,920
dense, usually beginning in March every year.

397
00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,320
I had a girlfriend at a life.

398
00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,200
I still stayed, lived in a hotel.

399
00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:48,720
Eventually I bought a condo.

400
00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:53,720
But at some point I was approached by individuals

401
00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,760
who, someone I knew at the hotel,

402
00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,840
someone I met at the hotel that to this day,

403
00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,360
I suspect is CIA and his name,

404
00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,360
and would meet with me occasionally over the years.

405
00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,280
Eventually he said math, my nickname there is math,

406
00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,480
M-A-F math, there's a project that we need your help on.

407
00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,760
Now, I, you know, he's a mystery man.

408
00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,000
I, you know, to this day,

409
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,600
and I communicate with him regularly,

410
00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,080
but it's a mystery.

411
00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,080
Who, what he does and why he's there,

412
00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,280
but nevertheless, he is part of introducing me

413
00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,480
to a man called General Ray.

414
00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,200
General Ray's not a general.

415
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,800
He's a member of the former member, a young man,

416
00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,680
former member, but been in the military a long time,

417
00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,760
former Philippine military of a ranking

418
00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,280
I can't remember right now.

419
00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,400
We call him General Ray.

420
00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,760
I was introduced to Ray and Ray said,

421
00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,240
Marcus, there's a group that is labeled

422
00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,440
a terrorist group around the world.

423
00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,040
They control the movements of someone wanted

424
00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,640
by the American government on the 10 most wanted list.

425
00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,440
We need your help to coordinate a possible turnover

426
00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,520
of this al-Qaeda individual that's in their control

427
00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:11,360
in the Philippines.

428
00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:12,960
They are not al-Qaeda.

429
00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,120
In return, they want some reward money.

430
00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:17,640
You could have some.

431
00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,880
And they want you to help,

432
00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,560
they think that this will help them reduce

433
00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,560
their terrorist status, international terrorist status,

434
00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,680
which is a thing, the United Nations

435
00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,520
at the American State Department

436
00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,880
to a domestic terrorist level.

437
00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,560
Domestic terrorist is what they wanted to be

438
00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,600
and they don't want to be an international terrorist.

439
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,160
It comes with different restrictions.

440
00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,000
Sure.

441
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,880
Because and truthfully, they had domestic issues.

442
00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,680
They were a Muslim group in South Philippines

443
00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,400
that wanted certain Muslim control of their region.

444
00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,760
And they wanted a peace treaty with the Philippine government

445
00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,960
and they would only blow up Filipinos

446
00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,400
and kidnap foreigners for income

447
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,040
and some Filipinos for income.

448
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,120
And so that was what they did.

449
00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:04,160
They didn't really bother the world community

450
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,160
with international terrorism.

451
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,160
But they want to turn over this al-Qaeda terrorist

452
00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,200
that they control his movement.

453
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,840
So I don't quite understand any of this,

454
00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,320
although I have some experience

455
00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,880
in foreign affairs and national security issues,

456
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,360
but that's why I'm originally to be in the Philippines.

457
00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:24,280
And this meeting goes to an ex-meeting,

458
00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,560
an ex-meeting, an ex-meeting.

459
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:32,560
And eventually I contact the State Department's Bureau

460
00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,000
of Rewards for Justice program,

461
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,080
which is connected with the FBI and the CIA

462
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,680
and the other 16 intelligence agencies.

463
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,240
And I tell them boldly in an email, very boldly,

464
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,440
because I think exaggeration is the best thing to get attention

465
00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,080
as long as it's based in truth.

466
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,560
I said indirectly I control the movements of Marwyn

467
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,960
and that it would be advisable

468
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,080
if the State Department contacts me

469
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:05,760
because I believe I could arrange a turnover of this terrorist

470
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,960
by the fact that I control indirectly his movements.

471
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,400
I was advised to, I had to send that email several times,

472
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,840
I was advised at some point by the State Department

473
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,080
in writing and by phone to, when I got to Manila,

474
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,480
to meet with certain individuals

475
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,440
that were labeled as State Department employees.

476
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,880
They were in fact CIA.

477
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,880
Paul Kennedy, I released his name already,

478
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,000
so which wasn't a proper thing to do,

479
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,160
but it's public record.

480
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,920
And the other guy, forgetting, and General Ray.

481
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,040
I sit down with them and I tell them what we're going to do,

482
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,200
and I have a plan that's very grandiose.

483
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,560
I'm going to be the one to take possession

484
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,200
of the terrorist peacefully.

485
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,800
I am going to be the one that will move him

486
00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:00,720
to proper locations for the Americans to take control.

487
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,680
And I was admonished at my plan, and I had an investor.

488
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,120
I had a very well-known international security company

489
00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:12,760
that they make, they're more famous for transporting large amounts

490
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,400
of money, I mean, enough to put on a 747, but legally.

491
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,400
They do it legally.

492
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,040
By international, because at this point,

493
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:24,520
you are subject to both US and Philippines.

494
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,160
Sure.

495
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,520
International to the Philippines or international to the US?

496
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,320
No, it's an American company.

497
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,160
It's an American company that has a contract in the Philippines

498
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,800
to guard border intrusions.

499
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:34,560
OK.

500
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,280
With regard to drugs and products and whatever problem

501
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,560
that I have, it's unrelated to this.

502
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,560
But I knew him, and I contacted him and met with him,

503
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,320
and he said, oh, yeah, we can do this project.

504
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,600
It's going to be expensive.

505
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,480
We need a helicopter.

506
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,240
We need a plane.

507
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,160
We need another helicopter.

508
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,160
We need this.

509
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,680
So I developed a proposal.

510
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,360
I can't remember if I did this on the second or third visit,

511
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:56,320
because I went back.

512
00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,560
But the point is, I presented this to the State Department.

513
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,600
They admonished me.

514
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,920
Let's just use that word.

515
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,040
That's what I've used before.

516
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,800
I could imagine somebody in the border

517
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,800
before they even did anything.

518
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,840
It was like, what the hell is this guy thinking?

519
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:10,360
Yeah, right.

520
00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:11,640
I'm not dealing with the Philippines.

521
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,800
The Indians, man.

522
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,120
I'm just dealing with, yeah, but I got a plan.

523
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,040
I watched The Bounty Hunter.

524
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,040
Anyway.

525
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:18,840
I heard you.

526
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:19,720
You think I'm joking.

527
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:20,480
You think I'm joking.

528
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,640
I said that in the movie.

529
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,280
No, no, I hear you.

530
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,520
Yeah, of course not.

531
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:24,480
I love The Bounty Hunter.

532
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,120
I'm the new dog.

533
00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:28,560
And he went to get, you know, the funny thing is,

534
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,440
I thought it was perfectly, because I looked all this stuff up,

535
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,320
and I found, oh, dog got famous when he went to the Mexico

536
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,680
to get whatever they were.

537
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:37,480
I'm not joking.

538
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:38,240
I'm not joking.

539
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,960
So, I mean, it's funny, but it's serious.

540
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,760
But let me just end with this.

541
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,760
They say to me, Marcus, we need verification.

542
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,000
But they also told me, we know these people.

543
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:50,800
They're legit.

544
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,760
Because I said all the way down to the point

545
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,400
that I get the verification document.

546
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,600
Cut me off if the story gets boring.

547
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,600
I had a lot of questions.

548
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,600
I had a lot of questions.

549
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,600
I had a lot of questions.

550
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:03,600
I had a lot of questions.

551
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,600
I had a lot of questions.

552
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,600
I had a lot of questions.

553
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,040
And I got one.

554
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,040
All right.

555
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,480
So, what verification?

556
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,520
And I'm thinking, how do you get verification?

557
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,280
Oh, that's easy.

558
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,120
You have to get a letter.

559
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:17,120
A letter?

560
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:18,120
From whom?

561
00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:19,120
Get him to write a letter.

562
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,520
I said, this seems all right.

563
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,180
But I'm trying to play like I know I'm not hesitant.

564
00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:26,020
Oh, sure.

565
00:22:26,020 --> 00:22:27,020
We'll get a letter.

566
00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:28,020
Yeah, of course.

567
00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:29,020
All right.

568
00:22:29,020 --> 00:22:30,120
You know, I'm the new ones.

569
00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:32,120
They were never had a letter.

570
00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:34,120
Yeah, we're getting a letter.

571
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:35,960
Yeah, I'm gonna letter it.

572
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,600
Okay, I can show you that letter.

573
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,280
So I go to Ray and he says, oh yeah, yeah,

574
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,880
that's no problem, really.

575
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:46,720
Okay.

576
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,000
Oh yeah, I think I waited a week.

577
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,560
I got a letter, I met Ray in an envelope, comes a,

578
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,200
and I have the heart copy still

579
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,600
and I have the picture of it.

580
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,160
It's on the terrorist letterhead.

581
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,000
I think I've seen this.

582
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,920
It's officially, okay, it describes,

583
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,400
I didn't know what it was when I got it,

584
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,000
but it apparently is a document that is used

585
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,360
to allow this guy to move around.

586
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,440
It is kept with the people surrounding him and him

587
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,440
so that they don't get killed moving around

588
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,560
the South Philippines.

589
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,400
It's his paper.

590
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,400
There's a name for it.

591
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,200
There's a name for it.

592
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,760
And the reason I know this is when I finally did

593
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,080
the story with the newspaper in the Philippines,

594
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,320
I showed them the document and the first time I heard it,

595
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,280
she says, oh, that's a, fill in the blank,

596
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,520
the name of the document.

597
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,840
In my head, it is a terrorist passport.

598
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,480
There's not just a letter of verification.

599
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,560
No, no, it's used, and she had a name for it.

600
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,680
It was used for IDs internally down there

601
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,600
so that they know who people are.

602
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,120
Oh, okay, a means of transport document.

603
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:05,120
Okay, so I faxed that document at some point

604
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,120
to the State Department contact, my handler.

605
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:10,480
It was called my handler.

606
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,960
And my handler took three days and texted me

607
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,480
and said, it's verified.

608
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,160
At one point I asked him, how did you verify it?

609
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,720
And he said, Marcus, we gave it to someone

610
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,600
who gave it to someone who went into the camp

611
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,520
and went to Boy Hoshimi, the chairman,

612
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,920
to verify he signed it.

613
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,640
Then we got a verbal from our, so presumably,

614
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,920
it was a CIA guy to a source,

615
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,200
the source to the actual signitor.

616
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,200
The signature's famous, I mean, famous,

617
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,200
you know, he's a well-known leader of the group.

618
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,400
And he comes back with a signature.

619
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,560
So that's how they got verified in three days

620
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,320
and then they informed me it's verified.

621
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,240
And as I told you, I may have understated it

622
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,720
before I was to get the letter,

623
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,000
I was doubting the seriousness.

624
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,280
When I faxed it, my faxed cover sheet

625
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,320
that I still possess in a file on that table,

626
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,040
it had on it, I don't know, something like this,

627
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,360
I don't know if it's real or not or just another scam.

628
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,960
But I put that in there because I felt like it

629
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,000
because I thought the whole thing was silly at some point

630
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,320
but everyone was taking it very seriously but me.

631
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,320
Nevertheless, this guy, Marwin, was what he was called,

632
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,320
the state, American State Department informed me

633
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,120
that they will allow the Philippine government

634
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,440
to do the arrest.

635
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,040
It will be a domestic arrest by the National Police Force.

636
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,800
And I questioned that.

637
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,960
I was told that in the moment I was being told

638
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,600
not to arrange it myself.

639
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,440
Right.

640
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,280
And I said, well, why isn't this an American project?

641
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,040
And he said to me, there are certain countries

642
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:59,040
for which if Ben and Ben Laden had not been caught yet

643
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,040
or he already had, I hope I'm getting my date straight,

644
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,800
but the Ben Laden reference was made.

645
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,720
And he said, if Ben Laden was here,

646
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,480
we wouldn't go and get him.

647
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,320
They would.

648
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,200
That's the line that I was given.

649
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,680
Whether it's correct or not.

650
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,600
And Israel was given, Israel was another example.

651
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,160
We would not go into Israel, he said, to get a terrorist.

652
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,720
They would do it and they would hand them to us.

653
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,560
So that's a search.

654
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,880
Well, he probably broke some laws in the Philippines.

655
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,600
Essentially, that's what we did.

656
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,880
And then the United States.

657
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,280
We turned it over to the Philippine government.

658
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,600
The National Police Force, not the military,

659
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,680
engaged him in a battle twice over a couple of years.

660
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,920
Failed battles.

661
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,440
Americans provided, this is public information,

662
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,600
it's on the internet.

663
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,920
Americans provided drone searches.

664
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,000
And then here's the pinnacle moment.

665
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,120
I'm in a taxi.

666
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,240
I have just arrived to the Philippines.

667
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,520
It's one or two days in the Philippines.

668
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,720
I'm in a taxi and there's a lot of commotion going on

669
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,320
on the radio immediately when I come in,

670
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,120
in English and Tagalog, it's a congressional hearing.

671
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:13,120
And I said to my taxi driver, what's going on?

672
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,200
Because I couldn't make heads or tails of it.

673
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,760
I wasn't in the car long, but it was serious.

674
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,760
And he says, like any good Filipino knowing their terrorists,

675
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,560
he says to me, they killed Marwin.

676
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,080
They killed Marwin?

677
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,240
I know who Marwin was.

678
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,400
How do you know who Marwin is?

679
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,280
Well, he knew.

680
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,000
You can be very stereotypic in the Philippines.

681
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,160
Trust me on this.

682
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,200
Taxi drivers in the Philippines are uneducated

683
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,360
and they're poor.

684
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,880
He knew who this was because that's their culture.

685
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,760
They know this.

686
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,040
They know who's South in the Philippines and wanted.

687
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,480
So there's a congressional hearing.

688
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,200
Now I'm already an acknowledged well-known American.

689
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,200
They called me the ambassador.

690
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,640
The state of California paid somebody to fly

691
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,840
from Sacramento to my local office,

692
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,560
not my Sacramento office,

693
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,040
and change my title and add the word ambassador

694
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,600
to my title badge on my door.

695
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,480
My boss paid for that or the state paid for that

696
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,080
because I was called the ambassador at that point.

697
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,800
Well, you are when you travel the United States.

698
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,640
I'm not really the ambassador.

699
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,080
I was on liaison to the CalPERS.

700
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:22,920
Okay, I'll liaison.

701
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,600
I was the agency that was involved with the investment.

702
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,640
That was CalPERS, but I saved that investment

703
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,440
having a higher ranking than CalPERS.

704
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,880
But anyway, back to the point.

705
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,400
So the terrorist has killed, they grab his finger,

706
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,800
they take it to the FBI Los Angeles.

707
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,760
It gets verified in a couple of weeks.

708
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Did you get to see his body?

709
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,760
He has hit the fan in the Philippines,

710
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,360
but guess who shows up to the congressional hearing?

711
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,680
Who? Me.

712
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,840
I went to the speaker.

713
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,680
The speaker, Bill Monty, is one of my closest friends

714
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,520
in the Philippines.

715
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,400
He was speaker of the House of Representatives.

716
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,080
He was not on the committee doing this

717
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,640
and was only remotely involved in it,

718
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,480
but he is the speaker.

719
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,080
I went right to his office and I said, what do I do?

720
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,480
And I think the whole story's wrong.

721
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,680
This man never had to die like that.

722
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,680
And there never had to be 41 killed on the Filipino side.

723
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,480
It's, I'm sorry, 44.

724
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,360
They're called the Fallen 44.

725
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,040
They are a legend.

726
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,960
They died killing this man.

727
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,800
And I said no one had to die.

728
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,960
The American government could have done it differently.

729
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,320
I was, it was supposed to be a turnover.

730
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,160
Boy Hoshimi, the chairman of this terrorist group

731
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,160
was going to give him to anyone I said so.

732
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,800
They were going to turn him over.

733
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,680
Nobody would have died is the point.

734
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,320
Maybe he would have at some point, but no one else.

735
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,560
And he would have likely been taken to Guantanamo.

736
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,680
But the, but everybody wanted him dead

737
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,240
and they killed him unnecessarily.

738
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,400
And can 44 people, Filipinos died.

739
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,400
So there's the, that's the scandal.

740
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,240
The Philippines they wanted him dead.

741
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,200
The Philippines and the scandal, the hearing.

742
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,360
Why did 44 people die?

743
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,560
Who knew about this?

744
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,360
The president claimed he didn't.

745
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,280
President of the Philippines at that point.

746
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,640
The national police force did.

747
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,640
And the story comes alive.

748
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,920
So I'm on television, I'm front page of the paper

749
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,960
in the Philippines.

750
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,000
And I testified, they would only let me testify

751
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,440
behind the scenes.

752
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,800
They never, I was in the room,

753
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,280
but they would never allow me public testimony.

754
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,120
The American ambassador put pressure on the Filipinos.

755
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,920
Don't let Frishman go there.

756
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,760
Now the national police chief was asked,

757
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,320
what about Frishman?

758
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,000
And he said, I defer you to the American ambassador.

759
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,560
The ambassador was asked on television.

760
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,040
What about Frishman?

761
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,680
And the ambassador says,

762
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,240
we don't comment on ongoing investigations.

763
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,480
Frishman's under investigation.

764
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,800
So that was really the end of it.

765
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,440
It diminishes at some point.

766
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,000
This was the scandal in the Philippines was all about

767
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:58,840
why are we doing,

768
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,080
why are the Aaron boys of the American government

769
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,720
and how come our national military wasn't,

770
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,040
a lot of components.

771
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,400
But I made clear to the people that debriefed me

772
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,480
on the Philippine side,

773
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,120
the Americans never debriefed me.

774
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:14,960
At some point.

775
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,520
So you just, I hate to interrupt you.

776
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,440
So your involvement was more orchestrating

777
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,280
the entire thing.

778
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,640
You put it together.

779
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,040
I located the target location,

780
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,000
but I was in the taxi when I learned what happened.

781
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,440
And I said to him, where did they find Marwin?

782
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,520
And he says, they found him in Massa Patino.

783
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,720
I pulled out my pen and a business calling card.

784
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,560
And I said, how do you,

785
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,840
and I remembered it sounded like the place

786
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,160
I told them he was at.

787
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,720
I said, how do you spell it?

788
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,320
I spelled it, put it on my back of my business card.

789
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,880
I make the best notes on the back of business cards.

790
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,560
I put it in my pocket.

791
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,040
When I got home that night,

792
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,360
which was before I met the Congress and the speaker

793
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,160
and did all the interviews,

794
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,320
I opened my file, which I traveled with back and forth

795
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,800
to the Philippines several times over several years.

796
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,720
I opened the file and there it was.

797
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,040
It was right there in that document,

798
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,400
that matching name, which I'm mispronouncing, location.

799
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,400
So I gave the target location.

800
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,600
That's exactly where he was killed.

801
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,600
There was a source, Marwin's companion,

802
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,440
for lack of a better word, gave him up too.

803
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,920
On the precise location.

804
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,400
So on the third battle.

805
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,320
On the third battle, they killed him.

806
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,760
44 men died and it's a scandal.

807
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,280
And that was what was sorted out in the Philippines.

808
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,280
The term terrorist hunter in this case is more boring.

809
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,400
It sounds like because of how deep you were into everything.

810
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,600
You were really, it doesn't even sound like you really knew

811
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,360
how deep you were until much later.

812
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Like you were probably already waiting.

813
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,800
I made that up.

814
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,080
Nobody called me a terrorist hunter.

815
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:01,920
I made it up myself.

816
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,760
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

817
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,480
Like on your end, I feel like that that's where

818
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,040
that's coming from because, I mean, it's a wild,

819
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,200
it's a sensational story.

820
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,160
You might as well have a sensational title to go with it.

821
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,200
I mean, you wrote a book about it too, right?

822
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,600
No, I didn't write the book.

823
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,680
I'm waiting.

824
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,360
I have a website somewhere.

825
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,920
I don't know how to find it, but it's there.

826
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,520
It's kind of a placeholder.

827
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,560
And it's a book based on the website.

828
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,960
You know where it is reminding me.

829
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,720
But my assistant, Berna, and the Philippines made one.

830
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,320
The reason I needed to do that is I requested the file

831
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,560
from the State Department via the Freedom of Information Act.

832
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,320
The State Department, I almost sued them,

833
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520
but when they learned they were going to get sued

834
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,440
because I had attorney interaction with them,

835
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,800
they agreed on a release date.

836
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,560
Look, you can't explain these things.

837
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,040
They agreed on a release date of June or July,

838
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,160
whatever it is, 2025.

839
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,400
So in an email, the real person, multiple times

840
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,640
when I ask for my update, they come back now with that date.

841
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,480
That date had only been given to me a few months ago.

842
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,160
But for several years, they wouldn't provide me the file.

843
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,680
And then we threaten the suit, and now they've given a date.

844
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,480
So we'll see next summer if I get it.

845
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,560
So something may come out of that.

846
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,240
And those documents will be needed if ever I do write a book.

847
00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:24,280
But the book will only be of interest to Filipinos.

848
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,200
But you know, they're a massive book.

849
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,080
I don't think so, Marcus.

850
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,760
I don't think it's just going to be Filipinos, my dude.

851
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,960
I think there's going to be a lot of people who would be really

852
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,600
interested to read that, especially if you get your sources in.

853
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,680
You can get a couple of people to talk with you about that.

854
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,920
I'm going to have to get somebody to help me write a broader,

855
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,960
interesting story to it.

856
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,680
But it's amazing how little stories can be entire books,

857
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,800
I guess.

858
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,720
Well, Michael has written a book.

859
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:55,160
Talk about my book.

860
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,640
Yes, I got to talk about this book.

861
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,760
He wrote a book.

862
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,080
So the fact that, I mean, when you talk to him,

863
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,640
he knows about the whole process.

864
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,520
I don't know anything about the process.

865
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,600
I have somebody in the wings as a ghost writer, but somebody's

866
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,800
talking about it.

867
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,360
I'd be willing to give you my advice on how it's happened

868
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,240
and everything like that.

869
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,600
Because it wasn't just a single story.

870
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,200
I also interviewed other people.

871
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,960
I put their stories in with me.

872
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,760
So as I'm growing up in this book, because it's a memoir,

873
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,480
these people are growing up with me as well.

874
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,480
So it makes it for pretty interesting time.

875
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,440
So if you can find a book.

876
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,240
What's the name of the book?

877
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,560
It's called Dink.

878
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,120
D-I-N-Q. And it's available on Amazon.

879
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,760
I can send you a link after all this.

880
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,840
Tell them about what Dink is.

881
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,040
He was in the Navy.

882
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:43,760
I was.

883
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,520
I was in the Navy for four years from 2001 to 2005.

884
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,440
And it is my life experiences from the ages of five

885
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,480
up until I get out of the Navy at 23.

886
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,960
And it's mixed with D&D.

887
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,240
It's mixed with firsthand experiences.

888
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,600
It's mixed with various interviews of people

889
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,080
that have been with me.

890
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,760
It was a passion project.

891
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:07,560
It was cathartic.

892
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,840
And it was my first step to realizing

893
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,640
I needed to go to therapy.

894
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,440
D&D. What is D&D?

895
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,520
Dungeons and Dragons, my friend.

896
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,360
Oh, of course.

897
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,360
It's a game.

898
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,040
Oh, I know it.

899
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,040
I know it.

900
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,600
Everyone was playing it when I was in high school.

901
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,520
Yeah.

902
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,320
Everybody's still playing it now, I guarantee it.

903
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,640
If we're doing it this weekend, as a matter of fact.

904
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,520
We got a live show.

905
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,440
I'm actually a talent.

906
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,040
I'll send you the link.

907
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,000
You should fly all the way out to South Carolina, Marcus.

908
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,680
We can entertain you in the nerdy bookstore.

909
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,120
It'd be great.

910
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,720
I bet South Carolina is a beautiful place.

911
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:41,720
It is.

912
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:42,720
It is.

913
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,080
I'm staying in an Airbnb.

914
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,760
It's the perfect weather time right now, too.

915
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,080
All the trees are changing.

916
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:49,680
It's nice.

917
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,180
It's cool.

918
00:36:50,180 --> 00:36:51,400
It's crisp.

919
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,280
The air smells and tastes like dead leaves.

920
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:53,840
It's great.

921
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,560
It's my favorite time of year.

922
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,160
So let's talk.

923
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,120
You don't get any of that.

924
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,160
Lots of modulus.

925
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:06,480
So with you going back and forth to the Philippines

926
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,920
and from the US, you said when you first

927
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,080
started headed over there, your first trip,

928
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,000
you didn't want to leave.

929
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,520
You had a dog.

930
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,480
You had a girlfriend.

931
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,280
And then you go over there.

932
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,880
And then there's a bunch of yada yada in that story.

933
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,480
All of a sudden you have a girlfriend over in the Philippines.

934
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,760
My girlfriend and I ended in 2003.

935
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,160
I went to the Philippines for the first time in 2003.

936
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:30,560
OK.

937
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Was it because you traveled?

938
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,360
I was single by time I traveled to the Philippines.

939
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:35,600
OK.

940
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,080
But was it the lead up?

941
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,640
I mean, I don't want to dig too much in your personal stuff.

942
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:40,360
I'll ask anything.

943
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,040
What was your question?

944
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,240
So was it the lead up going there?

945
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,080
Or is it like, hey, look, I have to go to the Philippines?

946
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,040
No connection.

947
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,640
She wanted to marry me.

948
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,120
We were together 14 years.

949
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,600
We were engaged.

950
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,720
I never married her.

951
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:55,400
And she bought a wedding dress.

952
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,080
We had an engagement ring.

953
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,120
She was fine until the final year.

954
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,520
But when I never did it because I wasn't ready,

955
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,720
that was my line.

956
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:05,560
But I loved her.

957
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,080
And we had a wonderful relationship.

958
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,120
She said, I can't wait anymore.

959
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,200
And she left.

960
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,320
And now, essentially, I wasted 14 years of her life,

961
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,400
according to her.

962
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,240
So I went to the Philippines sometime later that year.

963
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:20,000
I can't remember.

964
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,200
I think it was actually July because it

965
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:27,160
was the morning of the coup in the Philippines.

966
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,440
OK.

967
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,120
And I arrived just after they closed the airports.

968
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,400
And I didn't have a girlfriend.

969
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,400
And within a couple of weeks, I met a lovely young lady

970
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,080
named Tessa.

971
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,400
Somebody introduced me to her.

972
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,280
And we began a three and a half year relationship.

973
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,240
I got her a visa, brought her to America.

974
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,440
And she hated it.

975
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,480
She hated living here.

976
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,240
She loved me.

977
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,360
We didn't marry.

978
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,160
She went back.

979
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,720
Yeah, it works like that sometimes, doesn't it?

980
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,000
So talk to her the other night.

981
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
I still see her family on every visit.

982
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,400
We hear of bisexual coffee.

983
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,520
Don't shy away from talking about things

984
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,880
about sex and relationships.

985
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,920
And since this kind of naturally came that way,

986
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,720
with a little bit of diverting.

987
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,280
But still, I mean, it was pretty natural, I feel.

988
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,640
I feel like I did a good job.

989
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,240
I'm a good host.

990
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:17,760
Yes, you are.

991
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,360
14 year engagement or relationship.

992
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,040
How long was the engagement?

993
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,280
Hard to remember.

994
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,200
I'm going to guess, seven years.

995
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,360
OK, about half the time.

996
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,840
All right.

997
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,760
Why such a long game if you knew that you didn't

998
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,880
want to cross the finish line?

999
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,440
I don't know.

1000
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,520
I have an answer for everything.

1001
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,440
I loved her.

1002
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,880
We had a great relationship.

1003
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,680
She loved me.

1004
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:42,600
It was wonderful.

1005
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,840
And that's why we were heading to marriage.

1006
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:50,320
But I told her in this last conversation,

1007
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,000
I'm just not ready.

1008
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,360
But I want you to wait.

1009
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,440
Now, I became ready very quickly.

1010
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,800
We broke up.

1011
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,160
I got involved with someone else.

1012
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,600
And I was ready.

1013
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,560
Because I realized I had lost a woman because of it.

1014
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,160
A really significant good relationship.

1015
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,840
And I lost this woman that I wanted

1016
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,480
to spend the rest of my life with.

1017
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,560
And all my fault.

1018
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,760
All my fault.

1019
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,040
So now, I believe I'm, I don't know,

1020
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,000
are you religious?

1021
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,680
Karma, payback, purgatory?

1022
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,600
I'm Buddhist.

1023
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,360
Karma.

1024
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:30,440
And my punishment has been not being able to get married,

1025
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,800
even though I've had an opportunity several times.

1026
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,360
So I've been ready for marriage since 2004.

1027
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,120
OK.

1028
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:38,840
I've been married.

1029
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,880
I'm on my second marriage.

1030
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,000
And I'm not going to lie.

1031
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,160
I learned from my first one.

1032
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,040
My first one ended very amicably.

1033
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,320
We went our separate ways.

1034
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,120
We are still very much good friends.

1035
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,320
We reverted back to the friends that we were before we got

1036
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080
married, understanding that we were better friends

1037
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,560
than we ever were spouses.

1038
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,840
We didn't grow as spouses.

1039
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,440
We did not.

1040
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,400
We made plans.

1041
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,680
We never kept them.

1042
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,280
Or we thought we were going to make plans.

1043
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,320
And then the other person, we get scared and not actually

1044
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,320
have the conversation.

1045
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,480
It was, it wasn't healthy.

1046
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,080
It wasn't verdant, I guess you could call it.

1047
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,000
I'm doing, we're doing better here.

1048
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,120
The economy is helping us not grow the way that we want to.

1049
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:22,960
But we have plans.

1050
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,880
We have desires.

1051
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,200
I fell in love with this woman.

1052
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,600
And I can see nothing but a great future with this person.

1053
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,640
How long was the first marriage?

1054
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,640
14 years.

1055
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,480
Wow.

1056
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,840
14 years.

1057
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,600
You know what 14 years you like.

1058
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Yeah, well.

1059
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,400
I did it.

1060
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,760
I did it too, Marcus.

1061
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,600
I did it too.

1062
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,480
I was married 17 years.

1063
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,920
And we just couldn't, I think it was, I have a big ego.

1064
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,160
And so did he.

1065
00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:00,280
Now I found healthiness in my ego, like a nice place to be.

1066
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,920
And I don't have to be right all the time.

1067
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,440
And I don't have to have things my way.

1068
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,080
And I'm friends with my husband.

1069
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,560
But I'm not going back.

1070
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,840
To say husband, you're divorced.

1071
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,560
No.

1072
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,560
Oh.

1073
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,560
Right.

1074
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,000
Her situation, hold on.

1075
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,560
For me and the camera, it's this way.

1076
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,840
Her situation is a definition of a situation ship.

1077
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,240
And then kind of fold it over a little bit.

1078
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:31,320
It's a.

1079
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,640
I have a big family.

1080
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,880
I have a lot of people that love me.

1081
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,880
Yeah.

1082
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:41,400
Most of my friends have bad marriages, but for two that come to mind.

1083
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,800
And there's an interesting component in both of those two fabulous marriages.

1084
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,800
Oh yeah.

1085
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,840
The wife is the breadwinner and significant breadwinner.

1086
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:57,440
The husbands are professionals, pretty smart and have their own businesses, but they're

1087
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,960
failed businesses.

1088
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:06,000
I don't just, it's a, I only say this because it's the two people who are in happy marriages

1089
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,000
that I know.

1090
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Out of that dynamic, this is you observing this from the outside.

1091
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,640
Obviously, you're not in their relationship.

1092
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,640
You don't know really what's going on in their house every time.

1093
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:21,320
But what do you think is about that is the negative aspect of that?

1094
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,680
What is causing a bad marriage?

1095
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,240
Oh, well, no, those are the two that have the good marriage.

1096
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:29,240
I read that wrong.

1097
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,240
I don't know.

1098
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,160
All of my other friends have bad marriage.

1099
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,880
I haven't analyzed, oh, because people have bad marriages for different reasons, but I

1100
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,520
was more curious and focused on, these are lifetime friends, both of them as childhood

1101
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:43,520
friends.

1102
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,880
And I see them regularly.

1103
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,280
And when I say them, I see them, not them and their wife.

1104
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:57,560
And although I know the wife and the children on both sides, they are so happily married.

1105
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:04,200
And I've dissected this as though it means something, but it's the only factor that's

1106
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,760
similar between both.

1107
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,280
Maybe irrelevant, just a coincidence.

1108
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,280
May not be relevant at all.

1109
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,280
It could be.

1110
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,520
Human beings are so multifaceted that coincidences pop up all the time.

1111
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,360
But I mean, heck, maybe you're onto something.

1112
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,640
I'll be the first to admit it's not by much, but my wife makes more than I do.

1113
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,080
But the job that she does has so many different layers to it.

1114
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,520
I don't think she's getting paid enough, to be quite honest with you.

1115
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:34,800
It's been wild actually in this relationship to see someone who loves their job so much

1116
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,320
that they're willing to put up with some of the stress and maybe not as much pay as they

1117
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,600
could be getting.

1118
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,600
And any criticism that I normally give towards her, I'm like, Hey, are you sure this is your

1119
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,600
job?

1120
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:46,600
It looks like it's really stressing you out.

1121
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:47,840
And this way, I don't think you're getting support in this way.

1122
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,880
She's like, I love what I do.

1123
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,160
And I hope that's going to pay out for her.

1124
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,400
But it's been great to see that because in my last relationship, because I was in the

1125
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,680
Navy in the beginning of our marriage, she didn't have to work.

1126
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,840
I was making that Navy money.

1127
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,400
I was able to bring that in.

1128
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,920
And when we got out of the military, there's a whole blink slate in her resume and nobody

1129
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:14,920
wanted to hire her.

1130
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,440
And it just got worse and worse until maybe about three or four years before we got divorced

1131
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,160
is when she finally landed a job.

1132
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,680
And before then, we just kind of lived on cheap carbs and lived in a trailer.

1133
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,400
Like it was, like I said, we didn't grow.

1134
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,440
We didn't grow.

1135
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,240
Economics is critical, I think, in relationships.

1136
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:36,240
It is.

1137
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:37,240
It is.

1138
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:38,600
It's almost sometimes, sometimes defines them.

1139
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Now, I'm not saying it should be like that or that it would be like that with me, but

1140
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,160
it's my observation.

1141
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:50,080
It matters so much to people that it destroys relationships and makes them thrive.

1142
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Sure.

1143
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,080
It jades.

1144
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,160
Look, it jades your vision.

1145
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,640
It messes things up.

1146
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,840
I come from nursing.

1147
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,760
There are so many rules and laws and things that govern nursing.

1148
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,720
I have a doctor over me that oversees everything.

1149
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,840
I can't give a patient anything without a doctor's order.

1150
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,480
And I've had to get really good at nursing.

1151
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:22,200
So now I do really well, you know, I can't complain.

1152
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,440
My bills are paid.

1153
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,200
I have no debt.

1154
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,080
I'm truly grateful.

1155
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:36,760
But when I first started and I didn't have the experience, it wrecks you as a person,

1156
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:44,960
the level of stress until you get, you know, it's just like being a hunter, right?

1157
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,960
You don't, you don't, it's like, what am I going to do?

1158
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,960
What is this?

1159
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,960
I saw it when I was in nursing.

1160
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,840
I saw it at a high level, but it's hospital nursing.

1161
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:01,440
You know, I worked on a ward with other nurses, LVNs are at an RN, then the supervisor RN,

1162
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,240
a lot of pressure.

1163
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:04,720
It's a lot of pressure.

1164
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:11,360
So when I came home, I wanted compassion and I wasn't getting it.

1165
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:16,840
And then my ego would be, well, fuck this shit.

1166
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:22,480
But some people, they're not capable of thinking that way.

1167
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:29,920
And they haven't had the experiences that I've had and the inability to have compassion.

1168
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,240
And the thing is, I didn't have compassion for him.

1169
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,640
It takes two in a relationship.

1170
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,640
It doesn't take one.

1171
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,640
You got a tango baby.

1172
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,640
Yep.

1173
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,600
Well, you know why Edith, he liked you probably.

1174
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,600
Tell me.

1175
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,120
Because you're a nurse.

1176
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,640
Nurses, a successful nurse is a giver, not a taker.

1177
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,000
And they care about other people before themselves sometimes.

1178
00:47:54,000 --> 00:48:00,560
This diminishes their personality in some ways, but it's always good for the other person.

1179
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:01,560
Right.

1180
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,560
Well, you know.

1181
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,880
I mean, I bet he was happy.

1182
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,280
Yeah, but I've, from what I've heard, Edith has done some growing and she understands

1183
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,800
her self worth now.

1184
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:11,800
Right.

1185
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,800
And I love that.

1186
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,800
Yeah, I do.

1187
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,360
And that's why I'm in a situation.

1188
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,360
Right.

1189
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,360
So these.

1190
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,360
Which is an evolution.

1191
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,360
Yeah.

1192
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:27,320
So seeing all these things, seeing what is worked for other people's relationships and

1193
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:33,720
seeing, you know, what has not worked for yours, it's okay to say that, hey, it's my fault.

1194
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:39,680
But working on those faults is a defining part of what it means to become a better human,

1195
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,400
if not just for yourself, but maybe for somebody else who happens to come into your life.

1196
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,240
So what does that look like for you?

1197
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:52,040
How is Marcus Allen Frischman bettering himself from day to day?

1198
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:57,080
I think it was just a bolt of lightning experience.

1199
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,720
I don't think I needed to learn it over time.

1200
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:05,200
When I lost her and I didn't, I didn't make any attempts to get her back because of the

1201
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,200
guilt that I felt because I thought she was right, you know, and I loved her.

1202
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,880
And it was a very unselfish move to not attempt to rekindle it.

1203
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,720
I stayed in touch, but I didn't rekindle.

1204
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:22,240
And by then, in short timeframe, I was in love with another woman.

1205
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:26,320
You know, your heart can be filled very quickly with someone else.

1206
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,320
Especially when there's a vacuum created, definitely.

1207
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,160
Oh, yeah, sure.

1208
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,720
And that relationship was fabulous.

1209
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:40,040
She had the Filipino dynamic that, you know, why should she, I should point out something.

1210
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,040
There's a conventional thought that women in the Philippines, because remember, I'm

1211
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,280
spending a lot of time there.

1212
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,080
People say, what do you see about Philippine women?

1213
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,320
I don't.

1214
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,400
If I lived in France, I would probably date French women.

1215
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,760
I'd be in a commuted relationship with a French woman.

1216
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,400
I suppose if I was in Italy, it would be an Italian woman.

1217
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,000
So there's, you know, there's no desire for Filipino women.

1218
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,200
In fact, I think it might even be a negative, frankly.

1219
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,200
It's a negative component.

1220
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,200
But nevertheless, it is what it is.

1221
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,360
I fell in love.

1222
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:17,680
She came to America and was shocked because I didn't tell her what life is like here

1223
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:18,680
versus there.

1224
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,120
There's so much to explain.

1225
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,080
How could you have done it in a simple conversation?

1226
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,080
Let's be honest.

1227
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,120
Well, I did it in my next relationship.

1228
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,880
I had several other back to back.

1229
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:34,840
I've only been single since 2019, probably three months, with the exception of a period

1230
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,280
in COVID lockdown.

1231
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,960
So I'm into committed relationships.

1232
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,400
I've never had a casual relationship in my life.

1233
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,520
I have long term relationships.

1234
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,280
All of them have been good post college.

1235
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:53,320
I had, let's say, contentious relationships in college because I was a different person

1236
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,200
and sought opposites, but I learned quickly in college after college, you know, I got

1237
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,400
to find a woman who's like me.

1238
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,480
So that I think is a major key to success for relationships, finding a match because

1239
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,240
then you don't have to deal with differences.

1240
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:11,760
Now that may be selfish, narcissistic, fill in the blank, but it works.

1241
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:12,760
It does work.

1242
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,280
I mean, sure.

1243
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:22,160
I use this term only sometimes, but I have to say it feels like it might fit here.

1244
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:28,080
That might seem a little masturbatory for signing somebody who fits you so well that

1245
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,160
it feels like it is you.

1246
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,600
For me, and I want to get back to your relationship.

1247
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,360
I just want to throw this in here.

1248
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:41,960
The relationship I have right now, I am with somebody whose love language is arguing, who

1249
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:52,080
she needs to know that I'm not placating her, that I have my own views at respect

1250
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,960
her own views and if they clash, we're going to talk about it.

1251
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,720
And she, well, sometimes I feel like she pulls like something out of an argument hat just

1252
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:03,160
to have an argument and I'll, you know, I'll play along and I was like, you just want to

1253
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,160
fight right now.

1254
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,160
That's fine.

1255
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,160
And we'll just have it out.

1256
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:11,640
But imagine if you didn't fight because she was like you.

1257
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:19,960
I use that phrase, but I was walking to the bank teller machine at about the three-year

1258
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,880
point of this relationship that we're talking about with Tessa was her name.

1259
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,840
And we fought on the way to the bank.

1260
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,200
We fought about her father's answering machine.

1261
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,320
And I will bore you with the details, the components of that fight, but I'll give you

1262
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,320
the topic.

1263
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:42,920
And that's what we thought from the condo down to the hotel room down to the bank.

1264
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:48,120
And after we got finished with the bank, I turned to Tessa and I said, you know, Tessa,

1265
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,520
we should pray and she's kind of grumpy, right?

1266
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,040
Why should we pray now?

1267
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,040
What are you talking about?

1268
00:52:54,040 --> 00:53:00,560
We should pray to God that we have an argument like this every single day.

1269
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,360
What did Marcus mean when he told that to Tessa?

1270
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,280
You're going to have to find out in two weeks.

1271
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,760
It's not very often that we have such a long episode that we can't abbreviate it down,

1272
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,280
but there's just too much good stuff here.

1273
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,240
I didn't want to cut anything out.

1274
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:20,600
So I'll see you guys in a week with a very special episode and two weeks will continue

1275
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,960
the Marcus Allen Frishman interview.

1276
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,640
But we also wanted to say, hey, Spotify has got comments now and almost everything's got

1277
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:29,640
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1278
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,320
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1279
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,360
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1280
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:43,400
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1281
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,720
Thank you so much for listening and as always, peace out and word to your mother.