WEBVTT 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:08.919 Hello, everybody. Sandow68. This is a return 00:00:08.919 --> 00:00:14.779 of a guest we had back in Sandow8. Sandow8. That 00:00:14.779 --> 00:00:18.879 was, feels like a lifetime ago, Seb, since we 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:23.000 last did this back in July of 2024. Now here 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.719 we are 60 episodes later, and I've learned a 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:30.839 lot. I've interviewed a lot of people and had 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:34.060 a lot of community discussions. about the Dow. 00:00:34.780 --> 00:00:38.979 And today, today we're talking about, it's just 00:00:38.979 --> 00:00:40.719 a discussion. It's kind of a learning session 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:43.200 to learn about the things that have been happening 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:46.439 recently and to put them into the proper context 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:50.159 so that we can all be armed with, educated with 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:53.880 the right information going forward and just 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.859 staying, staying up to date as part of community 00:00:56.859 --> 00:01:00.579 members. So my normal disclaimer is that I, Lancer, 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:02.979 do not represent the Sandbox game or the Sandbox 00:01:02.979 --> 00:01:06.299 Foundation. Seb, what would you say for you? 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:10.560 Do you represent either? I'm an ambassador for 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:14.620 both. So I'm a voice that's been sharing all 00:01:14.620 --> 00:01:17.700 the updates around what's happening within Sandbox 00:01:17.700 --> 00:01:20.560 and the broader Sandbox ecosystem. And on the 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:24.359 downside, I've been a member of the advisory 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.920 council. helping behind the scenes to review 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:31.439 the values sandbox improvement proposal give 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:34.980 feedback and helping this to be pushed for the 00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:39.420 voting to other communities yeah so in either 00:01:39.420 --> 00:01:41.640 case neither of us are anyone's financial or 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:43.760 legal advisors and nothing we say is to be taken 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:54.379 as financial and legal advice all right And when 00:01:54.379 --> 00:01:56.659 we say the word SIP, we mean Sandbox Improvement 00:01:56.659 --> 00:01:59.500 Proposal. If we say the word DAO, we mean Decentralized 00:01:59.500 --> 00:02:02.000 Autonomous Organization. And when we use the 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.099 word SanFam, we're talking about the Sandbox 00:02:04.099 --> 00:02:06.579 community, those who participate in the people, 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.439 product, and purpose. This slide I didn't have 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:14.219 last time we talked in 2024. This one I put together. 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:16.080 I've been saying it for quite a while, though. 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.379 So the people is everywhere from the gamer to 00:02:18.379 --> 00:02:20.860 the Sandbox team. Product is everything from 00:02:20.860 --> 00:02:23.520 the game client to the DAO. The purpose includes 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.539 the white paper and all the things that you and 00:02:25.539 --> 00:02:29.039 Arthur and now Robbie and Yatsu have expanded 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.539 upon in terms of what it is that the Sandbox 00:02:32.539 --> 00:02:35.180 is about, what we're doing. All those things 00:02:35.180 --> 00:02:37.819 come together in the ecosystem. Today, we're 00:02:37.819 --> 00:02:40.280 talking about the DAO. If you'd like to learn 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.039 more about the DAO, please go to the DAO Education 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:46.400 Hub and the Sandbox game. It's located at 2 -154. 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:52.319 It was RFP where we created a gamified... learn 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.900 and how to for the dao it's down in the left 00:02:54.900 --> 00:02:57.919 hand corner of the map right next to jurassic 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.960 park you'll see a big the sandbox dao logo and 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:03.599 in there is this dao education hub please take 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:05.879 a look um you can learn everything about how 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.919 sips work how the dao is structured and and all 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:12.740 the particulars of how we dao as a community 00:03:12.740 --> 00:03:17.139 and my guest is a returning guest sebastian bourget 00:03:17.139 --> 00:03:19.960 who's the co -founder of the sandbox and now 00:03:20.409 --> 00:03:23.909 global brand ambassador. Seb, welcome back. Thank 00:03:23.909 --> 00:03:27.629 you very much for coming. Of course. I'm glad 00:03:27.629 --> 00:03:30.590 to be back. And like, wow, I'm so impressed how 00:03:30.590 --> 00:03:33.930 prolific you've been. You've produced over 60 00:03:33.930 --> 00:03:38.569 episodes since I was there in 2024. That's the 00:03:38.569 --> 00:03:42.090 energy, that's the spirit of the community. Thank 00:03:42.090 --> 00:03:45.629 you. I really appreciate that. It's been a learning 00:03:45.629 --> 00:03:47.550 lesson. It's been a learning journey. That's 00:03:47.550 --> 00:03:49.550 mostly what we've been trying to figure out is 00:03:50.090 --> 00:03:52.250 How do we think about the DAO? How do we interact 00:03:52.250 --> 00:03:55.330 with it? And all the particular surrounding what 00:03:55.330 --> 00:03:57.789 it means to be good SanFam community members. 00:03:58.210 --> 00:04:01.710 And this is part of that is learning from you 00:04:01.710 --> 00:04:06.009 and as in a position of leadership in the DAO 00:04:06.009 --> 00:04:10.090 and now global brand ambassador. Can you, what 00:04:10.090 --> 00:04:12.930 does that, what is a day in the life of a global 00:04:12.930 --> 00:04:19.089 ambassador for the Sandbox? So it's still like 00:04:19.089 --> 00:04:23.029 keeping a regular communication with the teams 00:04:23.029 --> 00:04:26.069 who are in charge of the sandbox of the marketing, 00:04:26.269 --> 00:04:30.110 your product, and being up to date on what we're 00:04:30.110 --> 00:04:33.290 going to launch and what date and what is the 00:04:33.290 --> 00:04:37.009 show. How can I better explain what's going to 00:04:37.009 --> 00:04:39.750 happen? How can I share the different updates 00:04:39.750 --> 00:04:42.899 regarding the roadmap, regarding what... will 00:04:42.899 --> 00:04:47.399 be doing in the new 3 .0 strategy. And how I 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:52.180 can keep emphasizing and sharing and promoting 00:04:52.180 --> 00:04:54.720 everything that's being done by the community 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:59.019 itself, as well as the Sandbox team, and everything 00:04:59.019 --> 00:05:01.379 happening within the Sandbox ecosystem, which 00:05:01.379 --> 00:05:05.040 now consists not only of the Sandbox, Alpha Season, 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.899 Game Maker, Game Client, VoxEdit, but also Corners, 00:05:08.899 --> 00:05:11.120 a new product that we actually launched earlier 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.839 this year in January. or SunShade, our own layer 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:18.319 2 blockchain that we introduced in October last 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:22.079 year, which is in test set now. So there's public 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:25.160 speaking, there's answering interviews, there's 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:30.620 participating in Twitter spaces, IMA live, and 00:05:30.620 --> 00:05:35.019 a lot as well of meeting people across various 00:05:35.019 --> 00:05:38.490 events. I'm in Paris, so I travel around the 00:05:38.490 --> 00:05:41.529 world and keep sharing with them what's happening, 00:05:42.149 --> 00:05:45.230 where we're going to launch in terms of AI, in 00:05:45.230 --> 00:05:49.589 terms of mobile, in terms of content and brand 00:05:49.589 --> 00:05:52.370 partnerships, for example. I think there's a 00:05:52.370 --> 00:05:55.529 lot of demystifying around the fact that we, 00:05:55.709 --> 00:05:59.449 as co -founders, Archer and myself, are not involved 00:05:59.449 --> 00:06:02.629 anymore. That's not the case at all. Actually, 00:06:02.990 --> 00:06:05.009 yesterday, I was meeting with a team in France. 00:06:05.629 --> 00:06:08.230 Archer was in Paris. We've been discussing some 00:06:08.230 --> 00:06:13.750 aspects of the strategy of this year. I met with 00:06:13.750 --> 00:06:17.910 the team who is in charge of corners and certain 00:06:17.910 --> 00:06:21.290 products. We're preparing in the next couple 00:06:21.290 --> 00:06:24.129 of weeks or months a big announcement for something 00:06:24.129 --> 00:06:28.269 that the team has been long awaiting. We've been 00:06:28.269 --> 00:06:34.060 also... very active on the social media channels 00:06:34.060 --> 00:06:37.079 like X and replying back to any comments. Some 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:41.240 of them regarding Sun token, regarding what's 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.819 happening in the market, some suggestions from 00:06:44.819 --> 00:06:48.579 the community around why not burning Sun and 00:06:48.579 --> 00:06:51.420 so on. Taking those into account, bringing them 00:06:51.420 --> 00:06:56.730 back to those teams, that way they... from proposing 00:06:56.730 --> 00:06:59.410 ideas and solutions and awaiting them to be discussed 00:06:59.410 --> 00:07:02.089 as well and see how they can be fitted and in 00:07:02.089 --> 00:07:06.629 which timeline. Yeah, when you described what 00:07:06.629 --> 00:07:08.430 you've been doing as the Global Brand Ambassador, 00:07:08.730 --> 00:07:10.709 all I can think of, that's exactly what you've 00:07:10.709 --> 00:07:13.850 been doing this whole time. That's like the perfect 00:07:13.850 --> 00:07:16.889 fit for you. It seemed like you were in a different 00:07:16.889 --> 00:07:21.689 country every single week. Yeah, well, I guess 00:07:21.689 --> 00:07:24.389 like a little bit less this year, but I counted 00:07:24.389 --> 00:07:26.189 days, and it's true, I've been more than six 00:07:26.189 --> 00:07:32.350 months a year on the road. Yeah. And if I have 00:07:32.350 --> 00:07:34.589 a chance to speak publicly, if I have a chance 00:07:34.589 --> 00:07:38.589 to meet people who contribute at any level to 00:07:38.589 --> 00:07:40.610 the sandbox ecosystem, their own land, their 00:07:40.610 --> 00:07:42.889 own avatar, their own sun, their creators, they 00:07:42.889 --> 00:07:46.639 use VoxEdit, they are... interacting with the 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.000 DAO, active on the DAO, they have an education 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:54.399 related program for creators and so on. I want 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:58.540 to hear their feedback, I want to be aware of 00:07:58.540 --> 00:08:00.600 what they are doing and I want to see how I can 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.139 help them maybe reach the right person at sandbox 00:08:03.139 --> 00:08:07.279 and so on. So, as you said, I also have the chance 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.720 to be on the ground, to be closer to the user 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.160 wherever they are and bring back their energy, 00:08:13.339 --> 00:08:17.800 their ideas. to the main team as well yeah and 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:20.399 then we'll definitely get the corners in sand 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:22.579 chain a little bit later because that was one 00:08:22.579 --> 00:08:26.339 of the open topics that i had for for before 00:08:26.339 --> 00:08:30.399 global ambassador you just were part of the special 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:34.120 council which was elected in the first few sips 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:37.200 back in may of 2024 and now the term expired 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:40.899 in december of just a couple months ago december 00:08:40.899 --> 00:08:44.710 2025 can When we first talked back in Sandow 00:08:44.710 --> 00:08:48.789 8, you gave me an understanding of what the special 00:08:48.789 --> 00:08:52.330 counsel did and also some of the things that 00:08:52.330 --> 00:08:55.870 you discussed and the ratings or the recommendations. 00:08:57.289 --> 00:09:00.830 Since then, I've learned a lot about what happens 00:09:00.830 --> 00:09:03.730 in a foundation company when I interviewed a 00:09:03.730 --> 00:09:07.289 director, a couple of lawyers. We did the miniseries 00:09:07.289 --> 00:09:10.590 in the foundation company. Since all that time's 00:09:10.590 --> 00:09:13.750 passed, almost a year and a half now, What has 00:09:13.750 --> 00:09:16.730 been your experience like on the special council? 00:09:19.490 --> 00:09:22.929 So being part of a special council together, 00:09:23.129 --> 00:09:27.950 for example, with Cyril from Nadal and Yatsu 00:09:27.950 --> 00:09:34.450 and Shannon as well. I've had the chance and 00:09:34.450 --> 00:09:38.750 Jean -Michel Payon as well. We have been active 00:09:38.750 --> 00:09:42.940 and from time to time not. every day, but whenever 00:09:42.940 --> 00:09:46.440 there was a new SIP or set of SIPs, they came 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.720 by free. We review them, we give some feedback 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:56.340 in terms of their impact, their feasibility, 00:09:56.740 --> 00:10:00.440 how the budget seems realistic or not, based 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.039 on our various experiences as entrepreneurs, 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:10.470 builders, or business people. Actually, reviewing 00:10:10.470 --> 00:10:12.789 them took a bit of time because you don't just 00:10:12.789 --> 00:10:15.909 read the top TLGR summary. You go through all 00:10:15.909 --> 00:10:17.789 the details, you try to understand who's the 00:10:17.789 --> 00:10:20.289 team. So it's like doing a diligence while you've 00:10:20.289 --> 00:10:26.210 not seen it. So I really treated it as almost 00:10:26.210 --> 00:10:30.169 like a pitch at the startup competition and like 00:10:30.169 --> 00:10:32.409 reviewing if that business model or proposal 00:10:32.409 --> 00:10:35.490 made sense and how it actually... generated value 00:10:35.490 --> 00:10:38.789 for the community first, but also for the Sandbox, 00:10:38.889 --> 00:10:42.549 the DAO and the Foundation as well. Because as 00:10:42.549 --> 00:10:45.529 you know, the Sandbox Foundation and the DAO 00:10:45.529 --> 00:10:49.409 was not supposed to be a non -profit entity, 00:10:49.690 --> 00:10:52.549 but still was also supposed to generate its own 00:10:52.549 --> 00:10:55.429 revenue to reinvest it back into the ecosystem. 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.860 So we raised some questions, we discussed it, 00:10:59.019 --> 00:11:01.759 we gave feedback, sometimes in real time, sometimes 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:04.899 asynchronously, based on the time zones and availability 00:11:04.899 --> 00:11:08.379 of each one of us. And that gets pushed back 00:11:08.379 --> 00:11:12.159 for some iteration from whoever submitted that 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:16.299 SIP for an improvement. And overall, I think 00:11:16.299 --> 00:11:20.000 that helped the SIP usually raise a higher quality 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.649 standard before they get seen by the... the community 00:11:24.649 --> 00:11:27.690 and people for the vote for the public vote it 00:11:27.690 --> 00:11:31.049 also helped us to get a sense of like what people 00:11:31.049 --> 00:11:36.370 would like to have to actually improve the sandbox 00:11:36.370 --> 00:11:39.049 ecosystem either in terms of products in terms 00:11:39.049 --> 00:11:42.450 of ecosystem of content of ability to decide 00:11:42.450 --> 00:11:45.850 and manage some budget as well and we've encouraged 00:11:45.850 --> 00:11:48.809 trying a lot of things so we've been generally 00:11:48.809 --> 00:11:51.529 very supportive of the ideas of like the different 00:11:51.529 --> 00:11:55.840 delegates of people having more ability to vote 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:58.580 for small budget results going through the whole 00:11:58.580 --> 00:12:02.700 process we also had many learnings and we realized 00:12:02.700 --> 00:12:06.000 that sometimes we need to accelerate the things 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:11.259 and make action faster for people not to get 00:12:11.259 --> 00:12:16.330 as well to Not discouraged, but I would say like 00:12:16.330 --> 00:12:18.909 when things get too lengthy, your energy tends 00:12:18.909 --> 00:12:21.649 to drop at some point. So we want people to feel 00:12:21.649 --> 00:12:23.929 the passion and the excitement after they spend 00:12:23.929 --> 00:12:27.250 some time submitting. And the other thing that 00:12:27.250 --> 00:12:30.509 you don't see is like usually we also got a lot 00:12:30.509 --> 00:12:33.370 of inbound messages from different channels like 00:12:33.370 --> 00:12:36.409 Twitter and social media or email from people 00:12:36.409 --> 00:12:39.639 who had ideas and that we were. and drag me through 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:42.399 the process of the DAO to say, look, I love that 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:45.179 idea, I'd love to see it come to life. You should 00:12:45.179 --> 00:12:48.360 turn it into a SIP, Sandbox Improvement Proposal, 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:51.200 and here's how you do it. You go on the Sandbox 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:52.899 DAO, you create your profile, you go into the 00:12:52.899 --> 00:12:57.120 forum, you start explaining it, and you go through 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:00.580 that process, and of course we want to vote on 00:13:00.580 --> 00:13:03.720 it, but I also need to be realistic that because 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.279 the decision is not ultimately just on us. there's 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:10.840 a change that maybe will not you you have to 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:13.879 convince the community to support you and here's 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:17.720 some um recommendation to make it successful 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.620 in order on getting those votes those positive 00:13:20.620 --> 00:13:24.519 votes the other thing that we were doing is we 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:27.860 were sharing some of the updates regarding some 00:13:27.860 --> 00:13:32.179 tools or activities that happen remember the 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:36.759 promoting keeping calling the magic palette and 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:42.039 uh by the sunrush team which has been magic block 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:44.200 and magic bat which has been one of the open 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:48.080 not not open but tools have been developed by 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:51.399 the community to offer new creation experience 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:55.620 from the browser and now with ai sometimes we 00:13:55.620 --> 00:13:57.960 met those team in person as well because there 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:00.919 was like really physical contact presentation 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.799 iteration with them to see where they're going 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.940 what they wanted to do and the part that we were 00:14:07.940 --> 00:14:10.960 not in charge of the team of the town did and 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.600 sometimes it gets forgotten but it's a lot of 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:17.379 work but he's also the following of all those 00:14:17.379 --> 00:14:22.399 uh once they get voted positively how the different 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:25.019 milestones are being reached so that they can 00:14:25.019 --> 00:14:27.799 contribute the proper payment and all the conditions 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:34.659 that they should be eligible to in case they 00:14:34.659 --> 00:14:37.259 reach certain KPI or deliver certain milestones. 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:40.539 That's quite a bit. It sounds like you were an 00:14:40.539 --> 00:14:43.600 ambassador for the DAO as special counsel. You 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:47.240 met with everyone from SIP authors to the DAO 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:49.320 admin team to the other special counsel members. 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:51.980 It sounds like behind the scenes, y 'all were 00:14:51.980 --> 00:14:55.940 just advocating for the DAO and just pushing 00:14:55.940 --> 00:14:58.360 it forward and trying to encourage participation. 00:15:00.500 --> 00:15:05.940 Yes, that's basically the idea. I think sometimes, 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.379 I don't know if I've been stepping up part of 00:15:08.379 --> 00:15:11.600 my role, visually or whatever, like the job description 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:16.000 might have been, but putting in place the decentralization 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.250 through the DAO is something that... we had envisioned 00:15:20.250 --> 00:15:22.769 from the beginning of the Sandbox whitepaper 00:15:22.769 --> 00:15:27.590 and in our roadmap. We first decentralized the 00:15:27.590 --> 00:15:30.289 ownership of the creation from the player with 00:15:30.289 --> 00:15:32.769 NFTs, then we decentralized the map with land, 00:15:32.889 --> 00:15:36.909 then the token, the percent, the economy of the 00:15:36.909 --> 00:15:39.950 platform. And finally, when we implemented the 00:15:39.950 --> 00:15:42.970 DAO and we launched it a year and a half, actually 00:15:42.970 --> 00:15:44.850 we started to work on it two years and a half 00:15:44.850 --> 00:15:47.240 ago and we launched it one year and a half. because 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:50.799 it took some time. I was really excited and I'm 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.639 still very excited about the potential of bringing 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:58.519 power in the hands of people, the people who 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.600 contribute to the game, to the platform, to make 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:05.820 their decision to vote with their tokens on what 00:16:05.820 --> 00:16:08.539 they want to see first and what should benefit 00:16:08.539 --> 00:16:11.940 them. And so that's something I've been talking 00:16:11.940 --> 00:16:15.340 a lot publicly. I've been encouraging people 00:16:15.340 --> 00:16:18.620 to say, look, Just one company where we have 00:16:18.620 --> 00:16:21.340 to follow certain process, things are slow and 00:16:21.340 --> 00:16:27.679 the decision is not only depending on me. I don't 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.000 know if it will happen because we cannot fund 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.340 and launch so many projects. We have to be focused. 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:36.019 And so partnership, everybody wants to partner 00:16:36.019 --> 00:16:39.120 in a way, but partnership with Sandbox sometimes 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.679 was not as efficient as like working with the 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.320 DAO, getting the support of the community. that 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.379 by voting for you and using your tool or benefiting 00:16:48.379 --> 00:16:53.019 from what you're proposing, actually would get 00:16:53.019 --> 00:16:56.600 you to the same goal. And I've been very supportive 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.720 of the idea, like, you know, take Plan B, take 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:02.779 the DAO, go through it. And all the time, the 00:17:02.779 --> 00:17:07.079 proof is like, I think we had 38 proposals that 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:11.079 have been voted upon. We had about 60 proposals 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:13.680 in total that went through review and so on. 00:17:14.410 --> 00:17:19.910 and those have been really amazing like in terms 00:17:19.910 --> 00:17:22.349 of like the scope the range the fact that we 00:17:22.349 --> 00:17:25.329 were able to run educational programs who delegates 00:17:25.329 --> 00:17:29.609 to africa and nigeria that we had certain problems 00:17:29.609 --> 00:17:33.690 that allows new tools to be developed by external 00:17:33.690 --> 00:17:40.769 teams as well or certain features should be prioritized 00:17:40.769 --> 00:17:42.650 in the roadmap at the demand of the community 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.099 This, for me, has been great validation and rewards 00:17:46.099 --> 00:17:53.500 for putting the DAO in place. Yeah, I think it 00:17:53.500 --> 00:17:55.960 was obvious when you went to these conferences 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.299 how many people you spoke with and how much you 00:17:59.299 --> 00:18:02.000 spoke about the sandbox. I didn't realize that 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.099 that was also an opportunity where you were talking 00:18:04.099 --> 00:18:06.619 with potential partners and educating them about 00:18:06.619 --> 00:18:10.319 the DAO and SIP process and how they can partner 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:12.599 directly with the DAO. You're going through the 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:15.059 process. I guess I suspected that was happening, 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:19.259 but I hadn't been able to attend any of the conferences 00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:22.259 yet to see that. But I'm not at all surprised 00:18:22.259 --> 00:18:24.400 to see that you've been doing that because everyone 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:28.299 knows you are the ambassador. You are the face 00:18:28.299 --> 00:18:29.920 of the DAO, let's call it, whenever you go to 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:32.500 these conferences all the time. It seems like 00:18:32.500 --> 00:18:34.619 you're at a new conference every single week. 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:42.240 I try. The team of the DAO, they were present 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:44.319 at some events, for example, in Singapore last 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:47.099 year and twice in Lisbon, if I remember correctly. 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:49.000 And they were here to meet with the committee. 00:18:49.099 --> 00:18:53.099 But it's true that no other team member had this 00:18:53.099 --> 00:18:57.259 chance to go as often globally in all those different 00:18:57.259 --> 00:19:01.819 cities. So that's my role as like co -founder 00:19:01.819 --> 00:19:04.420 of Sandbox to push that vision that we have around 00:19:04.420 --> 00:19:07.680 decentralization and encourage people. to go 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.799 and test and experiment with it. I never said 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:14.920 that everything will be successful and guaranteed 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:19.579 100 % success, obviously. But the fact that I'm 00:19:19.579 --> 00:19:23.539 able to convince and share and recommend to like, 00:19:23.619 --> 00:19:26.299 you know, there's many ways to achieve your goal 00:19:26.299 --> 00:19:30.019 and you should try like this or like that. For 00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:33.900 me, it's already a great feeling. And so I was 00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:38.680 very frustrated when... I knew that we didn't 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:42.099 have the bandwidth within the main sandbox to 00:19:42.099 --> 00:19:44.259 handle all those things. While at the same time, 00:19:44.259 --> 00:19:46.599 I meet with so many people on the ground that 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:49.819 want to do certain things. So the DAO has been 00:19:49.819 --> 00:19:54.019 the perfect way to approach how the community 00:19:54.019 --> 00:19:57.339 can self -report itself. And the best proof is 00:19:57.339 --> 00:20:01.039 today, I didn't hire you. You just came out, 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:04.359 joined that ecosystem to be active and to produce. 00:20:05.660 --> 00:20:09.740 68 interviews already. You've done all of that 00:20:09.740 --> 00:20:13.400 in full autonomy. You decided how and you built 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:16.880 that documentation for the DAO as well. Thank 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:19.779 you for that and thank you for everyone who contributed 00:20:19.779 --> 00:20:24.079 over the life of Sandbox for making it the success 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:26.700 it has been and making it this amazing ecosystem 00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:30.299 that it still is today. I think I don't say it 00:20:30.299 --> 00:20:33.069 enough. That's very important, and I want to 00:20:33.069 --> 00:20:36.509 recognize all the contributors from wherever 00:20:36.509 --> 00:20:40.970 they are, to the DAO, the sandbox, to the ecosystem, 00:20:41.450 --> 00:20:45.269 and the creators as well. Yeah, and in the Twitch 00:20:45.269 --> 00:20:47.369 chat right now, there's a lot of familiar faces 00:20:47.369 --> 00:20:51.829 like PlayGameForFun, Wicked, OG Shakespeare. 00:20:52.029 --> 00:20:55.369 He just raided, by the way, with 10 people. So 00:20:55.369 --> 00:20:58.069 thank you very much, Shakespeare. I'm really 00:20:58.069 --> 00:21:01.579 happy you're here. Thank you for that. So for 00:21:01.579 --> 00:21:05.740 the special counsel and advisory board, one of 00:21:05.740 --> 00:21:07.299 the things that I noticed and a lot of people 00:21:07.299 --> 00:21:09.640 noticed is that it maintained a low profile in 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:13.960 terms of posting on the DAO forums or hosting 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:16.660 X -Spaces or really engaging with the DAO community 00:21:16.660 --> 00:21:19.480 itself. And I wanted to understand what was the 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:25.500 strategy behind that approach. Who was maintaining 00:21:25.500 --> 00:21:29.180 a low profile? The special counsel and advisory 00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:32.339 board. I didn't really hear a lot from them. 00:21:32.380 --> 00:21:35.819 I heard the most from you. Shannon did an interview 00:21:35.819 --> 00:21:40.279 maybe six months ago. And then I, so I tried 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:42.940 to interview every single one of the special 00:21:42.940 --> 00:21:45.200 counsel and advisory board. And I was able to 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:50.059 speak with Mia Bao and also Loretta. And so I 00:21:50.059 --> 00:21:52.440 was able to speak with them, but by and large, 00:21:52.500 --> 00:21:56.859 I'd say the community felt that the special counsel 00:21:56.859 --> 00:21:59.819 and advisory board maintained a low profile. 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.519 when it came to this DAO community. And I'd like 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.680 to know what was the strategy behind that? I 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:09.640 don't think there was a specific strategy, to 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:13.779 be honest. When we formed those consoles originally, 00:22:14.180 --> 00:22:16.680 we picked members that were active by then in 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:19.220 the community in one way or another, and they 00:22:19.220 --> 00:22:22.539 were represented. We tried to pick people who 00:22:22.539 --> 00:22:25.400 also represented the different phases of an ecosystem, 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:29.720 whether they were builders, or they were... present 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:34.500 in certain geographic zones. And their participation, 00:22:35.019 --> 00:22:37.180 like we propose them, like, are you interested 00:22:37.180 --> 00:22:40.740 in the DAO? And so on. These are like some of 00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:45.359 the commitments that we would ideally require 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:49.220 from you. But there's no punishment for not participating. 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:52.700 And we are not forcing people, paying people 00:22:52.700 --> 00:22:55.559 either to do. So they were all doing it on their 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:59.390 free time and goodwill and contribution. and 00:22:59.390 --> 00:23:02.269 so it might have happened that certain of those 00:23:02.269 --> 00:23:04.809 people for various reasons their own project 00:23:04.809 --> 00:23:08.970 had to face the reality of like the market conditions 00:23:08.970 --> 00:23:11.990 maybe they were less interested in metaverse 00:23:11.990 --> 00:23:16.890 and so on some of them became more distant apparently 00:23:16.890 --> 00:23:20.569 it's true that i haven't met them either in person 00:23:20.569 --> 00:23:23.609 for quite some time at various conference or 00:23:23.609 --> 00:23:26.750 events so i would say like life condition made 00:23:26.750 --> 00:23:29.910 them less involved and then less vocal about 00:23:29.910 --> 00:23:35.230 what they've been doing or sandbox. We were aware 00:23:35.230 --> 00:23:37.549 about that. I think there's been some discussion 00:23:37.549 --> 00:23:42.369 around also allowing or trying to replace the 00:23:42.369 --> 00:23:45.509 council and rotate them with members who were 00:23:45.509 --> 00:23:48.250 more active in the community and the forums. 00:23:48.650 --> 00:23:51.490 I think that's been discussed quite a lot. And 00:23:51.490 --> 00:23:55.210 I think there was some idea to put that in place 00:23:55.210 --> 00:24:00.190 to the vote. But at least we had to start somewhere 00:24:00.190 --> 00:24:03.930 when we begin the DAO. And I felt like it had 00:24:03.930 --> 00:24:08.130 to be somehow a representation again of like 00:24:08.130 --> 00:24:10.970 who's a builder, who's a landowner, who is in 00:24:10.970 --> 00:24:14.710 Asia, who is in America, who is in Europe, who 00:24:14.710 --> 00:24:17.650 is a woman, who is a man, et cetera. Try to make 00:24:17.650 --> 00:24:21.289 almost like a government with people who could 00:24:21.289 --> 00:24:24.029 sufficiently representative of the different 00:24:24.029 --> 00:24:27.059 aspects of the ecosystem. and it's a learning 00:24:27.059 --> 00:24:31.839 like we were saying as part of the sip 39 like 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:34.920 after a year and a half operating the dow and 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:39.980 38 sips um you want to we wanted to pose and 00:24:39.980 --> 00:24:42.619 take the time to learn like what went right went 00:24:42.619 --> 00:24:46.980 wrong or what we could have done maybe differently 00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:52.180 on like ensuring like the full engagement and 00:24:52.180 --> 00:25:01.099 participation of people The benefit of all the 00:25:01.099 --> 00:25:02.599 hindsight, you're talking about rotating the 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:05.599 members. I very nearly put up a sip to try and 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:09.480 nominate myself to the special council or something 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:13.539 to try and rotate, but I never got to it because 00:25:13.539 --> 00:25:18.140 I didn't think it was allowed pretty much. At 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:22.599 the time, it was a little difficult. We had to 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:25.049 choose which sips we wanted to put in. And that's 00:25:25.049 --> 00:25:28.890 when I did the $0 feature sips where the searching 00:25:28.890 --> 00:25:31.569 your inventory and then the resizing and all 00:25:31.569 --> 00:25:34.349 that sort of stuff. So I did that instead. But 00:25:34.349 --> 00:25:36.450 with the benefit of all that hindsight, were 00:25:36.450 --> 00:25:37.910 there any decisions that you would have done 00:25:37.910 --> 00:25:44.069 different on the special counsel? I think, like, 00:25:44.109 --> 00:25:46.730 keep in mind, the special counsel was not operating 00:25:46.730 --> 00:25:50.589 on the day -to -day as the actual sandbox DAO 00:25:50.589 --> 00:25:54.170 team. So we were only taking the input that... 00:25:54.460 --> 00:25:56.960 In terms of like reviewing what's happening in 00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:58.980 the DAO and the suggestions from the member, 00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:04.220 most of, even the most available people like 00:26:04.220 --> 00:26:09.079 myself or as well, we were browsing briefly the 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.940 forums, but we were essentially just taking the 00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:14.859 SIP that were asked to be reviewed by us, you 00:26:14.859 --> 00:26:16.920 know, because we have all other agendas and things 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:21.430 to do. And so... It's more like the sandbox DAO 00:26:21.430 --> 00:26:23.710 team that should have been answering and interacting 00:26:23.710 --> 00:26:26.450 with you. I think the constitution was made in 00:26:26.450 --> 00:26:32.730 a way not to be immutable forever, but it could 00:26:32.730 --> 00:26:35.569 be changed and adjusted based on that. It started 00:26:35.569 --> 00:26:38.549 with a proposal that it could be constitution 00:26:38.549 --> 00:26:41.289 one, constitution two, constitution three, or 00:26:41.289 --> 00:26:44.730 like how you would evolve and evolve the member. 00:26:44.950 --> 00:26:47.230 What we wanted to avoid is to have every two 00:26:47.230 --> 00:26:50.430 months to change. that's for sure don't have 00:26:50.430 --> 00:26:57.230 like instability uh okay but i i guess like i'm 00:26:57.230 --> 00:27:00.210 personally and i can only speak for myself in 00:27:00.210 --> 00:27:03.589 this case not for the rest i always love working 00:27:03.589 --> 00:27:06.289 with people who are passionate and engaged with 00:27:06.289 --> 00:27:08.990 the community and the product so yeah i'd love 00:27:08.990 --> 00:27:13.470 to have more council member or special advisory 00:27:13.470 --> 00:27:19.140 to the doll that that we can like you know, like, 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:22.519 discuss rapidly on different topics, get quick 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:27.559 feedback, and all of that. Okay. And the reality 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:31.240 is also, I'm thinking, you know, like, those 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:36.259 are special titles, advisory, special council 00:27:36.259 --> 00:27:39.619 advisory members. They are just titles. They 00:27:39.619 --> 00:27:42.450 are just labels, in a way. they don't come with 00:27:42.450 --> 00:27:45.309 superpower you know like we don't have much more 00:27:45.309 --> 00:27:47.849 superpower anyone who don't get more voting power 00:27:47.849 --> 00:27:50.670 than anyone actually so at the end of the day 00:27:50.670 --> 00:27:52.710 like quite naturally like the people who are 00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:56.569 more out speaking within the community uh who 00:27:56.569 --> 00:28:00.390 are like you running podcasts interviews giving 00:28:00.390 --> 00:28:04.710 voice to other they are quite they would be naturally 00:28:04.710 --> 00:28:08.150 recognized by the other community members as 00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:10.410 the most active and engaged so i'm sure you get 00:28:10.410 --> 00:28:14.099 a lot of interaction yourself a lot of feedback 00:28:14.099 --> 00:28:18.680 on your own message as well all the time i love 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:24.279 that exactly yes see so it doesn't need to be 00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:27.819 called special something when you're in a forum 00:28:27.819 --> 00:28:30.140 when you're in a community you know who are the 00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:33.359 active people there and who to talk to in general 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.359 like people recognize that by the participation 00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:41.150 of the different members yeah that I appreciate 00:28:41.150 --> 00:28:44.930 that answer. I think it's a little bit more clear. 00:28:45.089 --> 00:28:48.289 For a lot of us, we were trying to figure out 00:28:48.289 --> 00:28:54.529 what could we do to help grow the DAO. And some 00:28:54.529 --> 00:28:58.089 of us felt like the authority, the superpowers, 00:28:58.109 --> 00:29:01.390 rested with the special counsel and the advisory 00:29:01.390 --> 00:29:05.430 board, whereas most of us were not that. So we 00:29:05.430 --> 00:29:08.170 were on the receiving end of what the DAO admin 00:29:08.170 --> 00:29:14.410 team. was doing for the SIP review and the threshold 00:29:14.410 --> 00:29:17.349 or the standard it took to have a SIP from a 00:29:17.349 --> 00:29:20.910 SIP idea. So we largely felt kind of powerless, 00:29:20.990 --> 00:29:24.349 I think, to make any change or improvements. 00:29:24.829 --> 00:29:27.950 And that's where I was asking about the Special 00:29:27.950 --> 00:29:29.769 Counsel and Advisory Board because it felt like 00:29:29.769 --> 00:29:33.369 they were the advocates to make those changes. 00:29:33.990 --> 00:29:38.579 And so... Yeah, I just wanted to understand a 00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:40.900 little bit better about what the approach was 00:29:40.900 --> 00:29:46.819 for the low profile. I think it's good to know 00:29:46.819 --> 00:29:51.319 that there was no specific strategy and that 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:52.980 they didn't come with superpowers like maybe 00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:59.539 some, like I imagined they would. I don't like 00:29:59.539 --> 00:30:03.599 everything. I just know like they were not even 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.180 interacting in the chat within the order. council 00:30:07.180 --> 00:30:10.579 members so like mostly the one i mentioned i've 00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:15.680 been the most active and that's it so no um how 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:22.420 you say there was no hidden plot or even plan 00:30:22.420 --> 00:30:28.279 or great strategy behind honestly just like life 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.400 true life some people get less engaged into some 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:36.140 topics and that's it Got it. Yeah, I think I 00:30:36.140 --> 00:30:38.859 can understand that, especially where you want 00:30:38.859 --> 00:30:42.380 to start out with a diverse governance body so 00:30:42.380 --> 00:30:44.819 that it would set the example, set the stage 00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:47.839 for what would come later to where we would have 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:53.180 community -nominated members. And then they would 00:30:53.180 --> 00:30:54.960 look at the first special council and advisory 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.579 board and say, oh, there's where my model is, 00:30:58.660 --> 00:31:02.240 and now we can improve upon there. I get it. 00:31:02.539 --> 00:31:07.240 I get it. Okay, so now we can get into the tougher 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:09.900 part, let's call it, of the interviews, which 00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:14.339 was the Tuesday AMA. It experienced a recording 00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:17.400 bug, so I covered it in my last episode a few 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.799 days ago where I covered that and I reacted to 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:27.059 it. So could you restate what prompted SIP39 00:31:27.059 --> 00:31:33.619 to pause the DAO? Right, so on the Tuesday AMA 00:31:33.619 --> 00:31:37.279 we also had like Broby Young, the CEO of Animoca 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.940 Brand and the Sandbox and we had Cyril as well 00:31:40.940 --> 00:31:45.480 present and myself. We were essentially highlighting 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:51.960 like the SCP -39 came out from the Sandbox, first 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.319 of all, with this idea to pause the operation 00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:00.880 of the DAO and its budget in order to first um 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.940 look out for like what has been the results and 00:32:04.940 --> 00:32:07.880 the impact of the sandbox now after about a year 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:13.759 and a half of operation been 38 proposal 38 project 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.660 ongoing so it's a lot of things that actually 00:32:16.660 --> 00:32:21.339 that team had to review to realign with a new 00:32:21.339 --> 00:32:25.619 vision of the sandbox 3 .0 that's been published 00:32:25.619 --> 00:32:29.390 i think by robbie around october So after we 00:32:29.390 --> 00:32:33.009 announced the sunshade, so the Sandbox 3 .0 is 00:32:33.009 --> 00:32:36.769 focusing a lot more around the launch of new 00:32:36.769 --> 00:32:39.009 products, who are like the Sandbox ecosystem. 00:32:39.609 --> 00:32:43.490 More importantly, things that connect with AI. 00:32:43.789 --> 00:32:47.130 So there's been some experiments with vibe coding 00:32:47.130 --> 00:32:50.910 and Rosebud, for example, but there will be bigger 00:32:50.910 --> 00:32:55.170 things that are on the roadmap. The launch of 00:32:55.170 --> 00:32:59.200 corners and sandbox and sand token expanding 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:03.819 on base as a blockchain older ecosystem than 00:33:03.819 --> 00:33:07.880 polygon or ethereum uh the launch of the sunshade 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.900 that's also like an expansion of sandbox beyond 00:33:10.900 --> 00:33:13.680 gaming and virtual worlds who are like the creator 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:18.299 economy and open it up to more to different creation 00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:21.700 tools than just game maker so you could now interact 00:33:21.700 --> 00:33:27.240 with unity with javascript unreal etc And the 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:32.400 mobile version of Sandbox. I know a lot of people 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.819 are expecting it, and we hope they will be pleased 00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:38.660 to hear what we'll have to announce. Yeah, okay. 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:46.400 That's pretty much it. I guess that's what we 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.700 were saying on that date. Yeah, thank you. I 00:33:49.700 --> 00:33:52.240 appreciate that. And again, mostly that was because 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.500 if you try and access the recording right now, 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.529 it won't let you. So, and I didn't think to record 00:33:57.529 --> 00:34:00.690 it myself. I was listening and participating 00:34:00.690 --> 00:34:06.750 in the chat. So, thank you. So, something I want 00:34:06.750 --> 00:34:09.070 to go back to was the Special Counsel and Advisory 00:34:09.070 --> 00:34:13.110 Board, their term expired December 31st, a couple 00:34:13.110 --> 00:34:15.469 months ago. Can you provide some insight into 00:34:15.469 --> 00:34:21.429 what led to postponing that election? I think, 00:34:21.489 --> 00:34:27.599 like, the CP39 didn't come out. so well the term 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.199 expired on 31st of december but the 639 didn't 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.980 came out just in january it was probably already 00:34:33.980 --> 00:34:38.480 in the making several weeks or months ahead on 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.739 the sandbox side and so the sandbox side was 00:34:42.739 --> 00:34:45.619 discussing with the sandbox dow who's in the 00:34:45.619 --> 00:34:48.199 foundation around like what's the best approach 00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.019 and we were not in the fall i was not personally 00:34:51.019 --> 00:34:56.659 like what was the the best course of action here, 00:34:56.860 --> 00:35:01.059 but I guess this is my interpretation here. It 00:35:01.059 --> 00:35:03.599 wouldn't make sense to organize a public vote 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.199 and put in place new people to be in function 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.139 and right after months later to put in place 00:35:10.139 --> 00:35:14.139 a seat for vote where the sandbox would essentially 00:35:14.139 --> 00:35:19.119 ask to the community to vote the dollar. It would 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.719 be both a massive waste of energy and time for 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.440 people to put up an application and create even 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.119 more deception right after to hear, like, within 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:33.099 a few months or a week, if IP39 is voting yes, 00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:37.980 obviously, that their role will not be in effect 00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:42.519 at all a few days later. So I don't like to compare 00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:46.139 it. I can compare it a little bit to how France 00:35:46.139 --> 00:35:50.059 has been. operating and delaying voting its budget 00:35:50.059 --> 00:35:54.760 and changing its ministries all the time. It's 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.380 such a mess that everyone is mocking France around 00:35:57.380 --> 00:36:00.639 the world because we are not able to agree on 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.900 the budget for our government. Or in the US when 00:36:04.900 --> 00:36:07.480 they were not able to agree and it froze the 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:15.519 public ministers. We don't want that. For a matter 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.679 of weeks or months in January, December, end 00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.699 of December to January, people could have. That 00:36:21.699 --> 00:36:24.719 was not a long enough time for people to wander. 00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:31.320 Okay. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I get 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:36.219 that. Thank you. And what about the Dow pause 00:36:36.219 --> 00:36:39.940 made? I realized you said you weren't directly 00:36:39.940 --> 00:36:42.019 involved in the decision making. So what was 00:36:42.019 --> 00:36:45.219 your interpretation of? The Dow pause focusing 00:36:45.219 --> 00:36:48.119 on discontinuing the special counsel and advisory 00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.019 board as being the preferred path for the Dow 00:36:51.019 --> 00:36:55.599 pause. I think part of like the proposal within 00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:00.719 the SIP 39 Dow thought is also like reducing 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.179 its operating budget down to the very minimum. 00:37:04.420 --> 00:37:07.300 So having just like what is legally required 00:37:07.300 --> 00:37:10.719 for the foundation to exist as it is based in 00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:15.579 Diamond Island. ensuring that previously approved 00:37:15.579 --> 00:37:19.739 budget that's been deployed will continue as 00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:22.079 they were engaged so people who were working 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.579 on delivering their milestone will still be able 00:37:24.579 --> 00:37:27.199 to receive the due payments that were agreed 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:31.719 upon in the past but they felt like it didn't 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:35.599 seem there would be no new sip to be reviewed 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.579 to be approved there would be no necessarily 00:37:38.579 --> 00:37:42.690 at least as it is frozen if it comes or when 00:37:42.690 --> 00:37:46.510 it comes into a new form maybe we will not be 00:37:46.510 --> 00:37:50.230 needed so we call a new form so there's no reason 00:37:50.230 --> 00:37:55.769 to maintain like we were saying government shutdowns 00:37:55.769 --> 00:37:59.829 of these governments in the way in place or longer 00:37:59.829 --> 00:38:05.829 than need be so that's also basically closing 00:38:05.829 --> 00:38:08.349 the involvement of like this advisory council 00:38:08.349 --> 00:38:12.630 special advisory members and special counsels 00:38:12.630 --> 00:38:17.090 right so it so it might be in the new form that 00:38:17.090 --> 00:38:19.190 the special counsel and advisory board might 00:38:19.190 --> 00:38:23.929 not be needed i i actually don't i think like 00:38:23.929 --> 00:38:28.869 right now people have to vote in cp39 and there 00:38:28.869 --> 00:38:32.949 will be probably uh from that post for the period 00:38:32.949 --> 00:38:36.010 of post there will be a matter of weeks or months 00:38:36.010 --> 00:38:39.670 and seeing like what could be a better form of 00:38:39.670 --> 00:38:45.329 governance for the sandbox now outside of the 00:38:45.329 --> 00:38:51.650 sandbox probably looking around i mean not looking 00:38:51.650 --> 00:38:57.030 around looking back do we need the did the council 00:38:57.030 --> 00:39:00.309 and advisory board like played such an important 00:39:00.309 --> 00:39:03.650 role should that role be more distributed to 00:39:03.650 --> 00:39:06.929 our like the community itself and be something 00:39:06.929 --> 00:39:10.400 that's not attached to special one person for 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.099 a term, but maybe it's really different. It's 00:39:13.099 --> 00:39:16.300 another kind of takeaway as well, I think, that 00:39:16.300 --> 00:39:19.940 people want to do after the Darwinist post to 00:39:19.940 --> 00:39:22.699 imagine a better governance, kind of like governance 00:39:22.699 --> 00:39:27.019 3 .0 as part of the sandbox 3 .0 vision that 00:39:27.019 --> 00:39:32.380 was discussed on this IMA as well. Okay. One 00:39:32.380 --> 00:39:37.139 of the observations I had personally is that 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.760 For this new round of special council members, 00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:44.260 I myself was going to run. A number of others 00:39:44.260 --> 00:39:46.320 declared that they wanted to run too, like really 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.960 well -known community members. And it felt like 00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:52.539 we didn't really fully get a chance to be in 00:39:52.539 --> 00:39:57.820 that leadership. It felt like that the sandbox 00:39:57.820 --> 00:40:01.800 nominated through its internal deliberations 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.980 to form an example government or a government 00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:08.219 body. But now that we're at the place where the 00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:11.539 community can do it, now it gets paused. And 00:40:11.539 --> 00:40:14.440 that makes me really sad. It feels like we didn't 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.639 really get a chance to be in DAO leadership. 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.179 I don't know. I wanted to share that because 00:40:22.179 --> 00:40:26.300 that was part of what I think frustrated the 00:40:26.300 --> 00:40:29.699 community a lot in May of 2024 when it was launched. 00:40:29.860 --> 00:40:31.980 And I know you were aware of that. So was Cyril, 00:40:32.019 --> 00:40:37.000 where the big announcement happened. I think 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.440 it was Portugal, right? Not NFT Paris, but it 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:44.179 was a really big conference. Yes, thank you. 00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:48.000 And when it was announced, it was a great big 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.820 announcement. And then the sips were voted on. 00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:52.619 And I know that was part of the release strategy. 00:40:53.139 --> 00:40:56.820 And the community reception wasn't as great as 00:40:56.820 --> 00:41:01.019 Cyril expected it would be. And I think one of 00:41:01.019 --> 00:41:03.340 the things that it felt like was that the community 00:41:03.340 --> 00:41:06.110 wasn't as involved. And now that the DAO is on 00:41:06.110 --> 00:41:09.250 pause, it feels like I, the community member, 00:41:09.369 --> 00:41:11.809 didn't get a chance to involve in DAO leadership. 00:41:13.309 --> 00:41:16.929 Can you give a little bit of insight into that? 00:41:17.869 --> 00:41:20.829 I don't know. What are your thoughts on that? 00:41:20.969 --> 00:41:22.530 Do you feel that's a fair thing for me to say? 00:41:24.889 --> 00:41:27.929 I can appreciate what you're saying and what 00:41:27.929 --> 00:41:31.309 you're feeling. I recognize your feelings. It 00:41:31.309 --> 00:41:34.780 is true that... Like the people who contributed 00:41:34.780 --> 00:41:38.119 the most on the forums didn't get a position 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:44.460 in leadership or whatever title, label you can 00:41:44.460 --> 00:41:48.739 put on the name. Superpowers. Superpowers, if 00:41:48.739 --> 00:41:53.599 you want. And it's one of the learning and takeaways. 00:41:53.780 --> 00:41:57.900 So I guess like doing things differently. Start 00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:00.260 straight from like, let's work with the most 00:42:00.260 --> 00:42:02.920 engaged people in the community firsthand, not 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:08.119 just try to put the idealistic representation 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.239 of our ecosystem. Let's just cope with the ecosystem 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:17.019 and hope that it will evolve into a better big 00:42:17.019 --> 00:42:23.480 picture of how rich it is, right? Yeah. There's 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:27.039 one thing I've been saying. I love one day Sandbox 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:30.440 to have this full exit to community where the 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.699 whole community runs this, the code is open source, 00:42:35.179 --> 00:42:39.420 Sand is there fully distributed, and the tools 00:42:39.420 --> 00:42:44.800 to engage and vote and create those, maybe not 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:48.039 just one DAO, but multiple DAOs and circles. 00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:54.199 center of discussion and decision will not be 00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:56.920 dependent on the single centralized team because 00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:00.920 that single centralized team cannot appreciate 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.679 the strengths and the diversity of that ecosystem 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:07.820 as much as I was doing and probably as anyone 00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:11.179 who's deep down in the trench of sandbox on the 00:43:11.179 --> 00:43:15.239 other side of the product was. Thank you for 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.139 saying that. I think... That was the cry out, 00:43:19.179 --> 00:43:22.380 the frustration of the community where we were 00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:24.659 really looking for an opportunity. And I know 00:43:24.659 --> 00:43:30.340 I screamed the loudest. I was certainly vocal 00:43:30.340 --> 00:43:34.500 about it. I care. There are so many people who 00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:37.820 care. All the delegates who are doing this for 00:43:37.820 --> 00:43:42.059 free. There's a lot of well -known community 00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:45.119 members who were just involved in the community 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:48.800 and the DAO. trying to vote on every single proposal, 00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:53.519 advocating for SIPs in other DAOs. Like myself, 00:43:53.820 --> 00:43:56.539 I was pretty involved in advocating for the Sandbox 00:43:56.539 --> 00:44:00.780 and Whaledao, the whale members. They own a lot 00:44:00.780 --> 00:44:03.760 of land, something like a thousand pieces of 00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:08.679 land. And just trying to advocate for the Sandbox 00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.920 DAO and just waiting for my opportunity, let's 00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:16.710 call it. Thank you for recognizing that. And 00:44:16.710 --> 00:44:20.829 like you said, it's a learning, one of the learning 00:44:20.829 --> 00:44:24.190 takeaways. And I'm hopeful that the new form 00:44:24.190 --> 00:44:26.190 of governance will take that into consideration, 00:44:26.409 --> 00:44:30.090 that I'm still a Sandbox believer. So are many 00:44:30.090 --> 00:44:34.230 others. Thank you. I believe, again, Sandbox 00:44:34.230 --> 00:44:37.289 exists more in the hearts of the people who are 00:44:37.289 --> 00:44:41.809 part and involved in it than just a single company. 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:48.460 It does become a sort of... To me, it materialized 00:44:48.460 --> 00:44:50.539 through the people and the connection we've made. 00:44:51.820 --> 00:44:55.599 At the down level, I know that the delegates 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.179 were able to get a bit of autonomy around managing 00:44:59.179 --> 00:45:01.940 certain budgets. That was the first one. That 00:45:01.940 --> 00:45:04.619 was really the first one to give a chance for 00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:07.019 people to do more things and decide more for 00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:10.679 them. I'm dreaming a day again, like Sandbox 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.659 evolved so that it's... It lives on its own. 00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:18.860 It outlives us, the founders, the initial team 00:45:18.860 --> 00:45:22.400 that created it. And it's wholly run by the community. 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:27.780 So almost like a child one day becomes an adult 00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:31.059 and don't need to be fed by his parents and ask 00:45:31.059 --> 00:45:33.920 money to his parents to go out, etc. But it has 00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:36.719 studies. You have to stay home. yeah i would 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.380 miss the party when there was a fun party but 00:45:39.380 --> 00:45:41.500 the parents were a little bit too much of the 00:45:41.500 --> 00:45:44.800 guardians etc i don't know if you've been good 00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.659 parents i have not said they were good parents 00:45:47.659 --> 00:45:50.920 but that's discipline that's learning it's only 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.980 only five years so it's still a toddler yeah 00:45:53.980 --> 00:45:59.539 except if we count in crypto years uh yeah i 00:45:59.539 --> 00:46:02.500 want to say definitely appreciate what you and 00:46:02.500 --> 00:46:06.639 everybody have done and the Sand Farm level. 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.260 Maybe the Sandbox has not said it enough out 00:46:12.260 --> 00:46:16.059 loud. Maybe people who were representing Sandbox 00:46:16.059 --> 00:46:18.820 through their job had missed the opportunity 00:46:18.820 --> 00:46:21.320 to connect more closely to the community and 00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:24.480 appreciate and recognize the work from the community. 00:46:24.940 --> 00:46:28.519 But to me, it's clear. Sandbox will not be where 00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.000 it is today, will not exist, be so big without... 00:46:32.170 --> 00:46:34.929 everybody's contribution and I recognize that 00:46:34.929 --> 00:46:39.309 every day I never and that's for me one of my 00:46:39.309 --> 00:46:42.809 best personal I wouldn't say achievement but 00:46:42.809 --> 00:46:46.329 thing that makes it vibrant to continue every 00:46:46.329 --> 00:46:55.289 day thank you Seb thank you since we spoke I 00:46:55.289 --> 00:46:58.849 think in May or July of 2024 I myself became 00:46:58.849 --> 00:47:02.469 a father so Now I have a little, I have a little 00:47:02.469 --> 00:47:05.929 Lancer now running around. And I appreciate what 00:47:05.929 --> 00:47:08.690 you said about how, you know, sometimes there's 00:47:08.690 --> 00:47:11.130 no manual for this. Sometimes it's just learning 00:47:11.130 --> 00:47:14.090 the best you can and, and doing the best you 00:47:14.090 --> 00:47:17.409 can and then learning from your mistakes and 00:47:17.409 --> 00:47:20.730 listening to feedback and, and trying to do better 00:47:20.730 --> 00:47:23.409 the next time. And that's what I'm, that's what 00:47:23.409 --> 00:47:26.170 I'm hearing right now from, from the sandbox 00:47:26.170 --> 00:47:29.670 3 .0, the reassessment, the realignment. and 00:47:29.670 --> 00:47:32.550 the pausing in order to figure out what should 00:47:32.550 --> 00:47:37.150 you do next time. And I don't know. I feel more 00:47:37.150 --> 00:47:39.250 encouraged now because of that. Thank you for 00:47:39.250 --> 00:47:42.869 there you go. Being the global brand ambassador. 00:47:48.570 --> 00:47:53.090 Indeed. So the next one was Robbie mentioned 00:47:53.090 --> 00:47:55.650 during the AMA that the sandbox was going to 00:47:55.650 --> 00:47:58.489 use its voting power. Can you share some insight 00:47:58.489 --> 00:48:07.809 about that? Well, that's something that I felt 00:48:07.809 --> 00:48:12.590 like normally we should never have used. Because 00:48:12.590 --> 00:48:15.510 if we want to have true decentralization, we 00:48:15.510 --> 00:48:22.030 shouldn't intervene in the vote. But apparently 00:48:22.030 --> 00:48:26.599 the sandbox, the new sandbox 3 .0... a different 00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:31.139 approach to this and so why to pose you have 00:48:31.139 --> 00:48:34.039 to create you only need like extraordinary forces 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.699 to create something i guess to pose you need 00:48:36.699 --> 00:48:39.440 as well some extraordinary forces to put a hard 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:42.800 stop on something not a hard stop like forever 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:47.139 hard pose on something so that's what they are 00:48:47.139 --> 00:48:50.699 going to do probably and that's probably will 00:48:50.699 --> 00:48:54.940 mean yes But I want to remain positive that Sandbox 00:48:54.940 --> 00:48:57.800 will continue to exist and will work as a committee 00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:01.739 to find ways to make Sandbox exist forever through 00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:07.380 maybe other structures and other ways. Or if 00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:10.800 a new DAO emerges, we'll need to make sure that 00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:13.360 the people there need to be the ones that have 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.219 been contributing and will continue to contribute. 00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.159 Okay. You've been really consistent about that. 00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:22.590 I remember the last time, so... The sandbox voted 00:49:22.590 --> 00:49:26.030 in maybe three or four proposals of the 34, 39. 00:49:26.530 --> 00:49:31.329 And the last one, you accidentally voted and 00:49:31.329 --> 00:49:37.230 you made it. So I recommend, I say, oops, I voted 00:49:37.230 --> 00:49:41.170 with the sandbox instead of mine. I made public 00:49:41.170 --> 00:49:44.010 and I explained and then I changed. And I appreciate 00:49:44.010 --> 00:49:48.949 that. I think that was cool. So you've been really 00:49:48.949 --> 00:49:54.409 consistent about that. And I've always appreciated 00:49:54.409 --> 00:49:57.789 that. And yes, Robbie is the CEO now, so he's 00:49:57.789 --> 00:50:01.170 decided to vote with the Sandbox voting power, 00:50:01.389 --> 00:50:03.690 which is something close to like 27 million, 00:50:03.809 --> 00:50:08.409 if I recall last. It's a lot. I'm not sure the 00:50:08.409 --> 00:50:11.969 community is going to be able to outvote that 00:50:11.969 --> 00:50:16.550 just by virtue of we'd have to have everybody 00:50:16.550 --> 00:50:21.800 on board. But yeah, it seems like the vote's 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:25.340 rather decided now that if they vote that way, 00:50:25.380 --> 00:50:28.300 there is a chance that the community can rally 00:50:28.300 --> 00:50:32.219 the voting power to express its desire to continue. 00:50:33.699 --> 00:50:38.260 But it's going to be really difficult. A massive 00:50:38.260 --> 00:50:43.519 difficulty. And that makes me sad. What's the 00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:47.719 message there? Is it that... is following the 00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:50.880 the rules and put by the dow in order to pause 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:57.219 it correctly or is there something else so now 00:50:57.219 --> 00:50:59.760 that's a hundred percent of the sun is in circulation 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:07.280 by the way there's no more so those 27 million 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.679 cents even though it's still a big number is 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:14.840 not as big as it was you know Yeah, I guess that's 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.960 true. I didn't think about that. By then, I think 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:21.739 we had like $300 million in voting power. Yeah. 00:51:21.900 --> 00:51:24.800 So it's still hard to rally everybody. I don't 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.940 know how many holdings some of the various committee 00:51:27.940 --> 00:51:32.579 members have, but it's possible to balance $27 00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:37.400 million after. If the credit doesn't have money, 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.619 it would make no sense economically to have to 00:51:40.619 --> 00:51:43.179 buy the equivalent of 27 billion cents, obviously. 00:51:43.619 --> 00:51:49.099 But again, in a way, it's still democratic because 00:51:49.099 --> 00:51:52.219 it's not a huge impossible amount to reach within 00:51:52.219 --> 00:51:54.639 the 3 billion cents that are in circulation. 00:51:55.659 --> 00:51:59.460 But it would be a massive effort to finance big, 00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:05.239 sufficient amount of... set holder to have a 00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:11.179 big amount so i guess i wouldn't be but still 00:52:11.179 --> 00:52:13.800 it's not because you know that the battle is 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:17.219 lost in advance that you should do nothing like 00:52:17.219 --> 00:52:21.500 if it's voted yes by 27 million but you get to 00:52:21.500 --> 00:52:25.440 rally 10 million 15 million or say no it's still 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.800 such for me that would be a meaningful number 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:32.019 as well to put in front right and if you get 00:52:32.619 --> 00:52:35.840 everybody else can rally around that represents 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:39.340 whatever amount, 1 million, 5 million, 10 million, 00:52:39.500 --> 00:52:44.360 20 million, it's still a history that will be 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:46.480 written on blockchain. And maybe one day that 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:51.719 moment will be memorized as how the first decentralized 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:55.099 governance of sandbox didn't succeed, but led 00:52:55.099 --> 00:53:00.460 to a better second one in some way. I remember 00:53:00.460 --> 00:53:06.280 hearing the founder of Evil Online Game from 00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:10.340 CCP Studio, actually sharing a moment where players 00:53:10.340 --> 00:53:14.000 were in a little bit in a rebellion mode against 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.119 some decision that had been made by the developer 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.920 and the team had to reverse that decision and 00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.380 to celebrate and commemorate that they created 00:53:23.380 --> 00:53:26.460 a statue that actually was put into the game. 00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:31.000 A little bit like in the physical world. Those 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:34.000 moments can exist as well. And if you care and 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.780 if other people care and everybody else, for 00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:41.699 example, know, still some of those know is meaningful. 00:53:41.980 --> 00:53:45.559 So that's what I would take as a takeaway. Maybe 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:48.320 I'm too optimistic or positive, but that's for 00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.579 me important. So you heard me say, I didn't say 00:53:51.579 --> 00:53:54.860 vote no, I say like, if you collectively do something, 00:53:55.119 --> 00:54:01.679 it's still something that's meaningful. I think 00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:04.019 that's probably the, that's very encouraging. 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:10.039 I think that's a good answer. Thank you. I didn't 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:12.559 realize that 100 % of sand is in circulation. 00:54:12.860 --> 00:54:17.780 So if I recall, I have a slide here about that. 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:22.280 Let's take a look. So here's my interesting fact 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:27.960 slide. There is 3 billion sand that's max supply. 00:54:28.699 --> 00:54:37.179 And there are 166 ,000 lands. So that's 3 .74 00:54:37.179 --> 00:54:42.880 billion voting power out there. If I count 750 00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:46.739 million voting power for lands and 3 billion 00:54:46.739 --> 00:54:50.980 voting power for sand. Yeah. So I see what you're 00:54:50.980 --> 00:54:54.079 saying now, that it's not impossible. And for 00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:55.960 anyone watching who's not involved in the DAO, 00:54:56.059 --> 00:55:00.389 you might think... 3 billion voting power potential 00:55:00.389 --> 00:55:05.090 to counter or balance 27 million voting power 00:55:05.090 --> 00:55:09.070 of the sandbox company. Yes, that's true. But 00:55:09.070 --> 00:55:11.389 also we have struggled to make quorum in the 00:55:11.389 --> 00:55:14.429 past. And now the delegate system, since the 00:55:14.429 --> 00:55:16.469 delegate system was introduced, we've met quorum, 00:55:16.570 --> 00:55:19.030 but it's neck and neck. It's like we make 30 00:55:19.030 --> 00:55:21.409 million, a little bit over 30 million every single 00:55:21.409 --> 00:55:25.309 sip. So we already know that 30 million community 00:55:25.309 --> 00:55:29.280 participation against 30 million, sandbox, it's 00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.000 going to be close. We'd have to rally the entire 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:37.280 voting DAO right now to do that. And I guess 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.039 that's just a challenge then. It's a challenge 00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:42.179 to the community to rally more votes, more community 00:55:42.179 --> 00:55:47.860 participation, so that it can balance the $27 00:55:47.860 --> 00:55:51.900 million if we're able to persuade the community 00:55:51.900 --> 00:55:56.219 to vote against the proposal to continue the 00:55:56.219 --> 00:56:00.469 DAO, let's call it. I think, okay, I get it. 00:56:00.710 --> 00:56:04.690 If you collectively do something, it's meaningful 00:56:04.690 --> 00:56:10.190 and it's not impossible. Right. And I don't want 00:56:10.190 --> 00:56:12.849 to compare it with like non -democratic regime 00:56:12.849 --> 00:56:17.329 of what's happening in Iran or other, but some 00:56:17.329 --> 00:56:20.309 of the smallest movement became contagious and 00:56:20.309 --> 00:56:25.059 grew into like the largest over. shaft of power. 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:28.559 And so it would be interesting to witness that 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.159 happen to a virtual nation as well one day. That 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:34.880 would be interesting. I think the closest example 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:40.360 maybe is in Star Wars. The smallest flame can 00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:47.139 ignite the community and rally it. Alright, thank 00:56:47.139 --> 00:56:50.420 you. So one of the things I wanted to end with 00:56:50.420 --> 00:56:53.380 in terms of our questioning here for the DAO 00:56:53.380 --> 00:56:57.159 and the pause is there's a lot of, it's natural 00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:00.440 to feel fear or uncertainty about what's happening. 00:57:00.820 --> 00:57:04.199 The announcement of a pausing of the DAO. What 00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.579 can you share to alleviate people's concern? 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:10.699 And thank you for doing that for me because I 00:57:10.699 --> 00:57:12.739 feel a lot better now since we first started 00:57:12.739 --> 00:57:15.280 this conversation. What can you do to share? 00:57:17.659 --> 00:57:19.820 to alleviate some of the concern that this is 00:57:19.820 --> 00:57:22.219 the beginning of the end of the sandbox DAO, 00:57:22.380 --> 00:57:26.800 maybe even the sandbox game, because of our struggle 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.619 for player retention. And maybe we're not doing 00:57:29.619 --> 00:57:32.940 as well as we want to. We're not the Roblox of 00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:35.539 Web3 that we wanted to be, but we are trying 00:57:35.539 --> 00:57:39.820 desperately to grow the community. But what can 00:57:39.820 --> 00:57:44.550 you do to... What are your thoughts there? So 00:57:44.550 --> 00:57:47.449 more recently, I've been quite vocal about like 00:57:47.449 --> 00:57:50.449 what have been the main challenge for most gaming, 00:57:50.849 --> 00:57:54.250 blockchain games and Web3 gaming in general. 00:57:54.409 --> 00:57:58.050 And I can summarize it. It's been mostly a problem 00:57:58.050 --> 00:58:02.610 of distribution. Like Web3 games didn't get the 00:58:02.610 --> 00:58:05.449 long and sustainable distribution outside of 00:58:05.449 --> 00:58:08.730 like token incentive and play to earn, which 00:58:08.730 --> 00:58:12.789 we know are not sustainable. other platforms 00:58:12.789 --> 00:58:16.510 have got such as like the app store the play 00:58:16.510 --> 00:58:19.110 store etc launching on mobile brought your game 00:58:19.110 --> 00:58:22.170 to millions of new devices being sold every year 00:58:22.170 --> 00:58:25.769 for about 10 years on the on the smartphone and 00:58:25.769 --> 00:58:30.510 same with console but not like here the blockchain 00:58:30.510 --> 00:58:34.070 ecosystem such as like the blockchain themselves 00:58:34.070 --> 00:58:37.110 or the wallets they were not actively bringing 00:58:37.110 --> 00:58:40.610 new players to the different platforms and so 00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:44.440 it's been the thing that i realized it's like 00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:47.719 how hard it's been to acquire new users outside 00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:50.900 of like the trader strategy and the brand strategy 00:58:50.900 --> 00:58:54.940 using traditional like user acquisition means 00:58:54.940 --> 00:58:57.579 and the retention of those users once you're 00:58:57.579 --> 00:59:00.260 able to acquire convert them and make sure they 00:59:00.260 --> 00:59:08.119 stay um that's However, so that led us to think 00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:10.159 of like, what can we do? Like, what should be 00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:14.739 the other? And the other approach is part of 00:59:14.739 --> 00:59:17.820 the Sandbox 3 .0 strategy we're proposing, which 00:59:17.820 --> 00:59:20.639 is essentially let's focus and double down more 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:24.840 on the creator side. We like bringing almost 00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:27.780 two thirds of the content made by creator next 00:59:27.780 --> 00:59:31.139 season, winners of Game Jam and Contest. So you 00:59:31.139 --> 00:59:33.400 will see that with the season seven coming this 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:37.039 month. We're doing that as well by, I don't know 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.679 if you saw the new community created avatar collection 00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.519 that went live. We picked, there was a contest 00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:47.840 a few months earlier and we picked 10 winners 00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:50.460 and the design from those 10 winners became official 00:59:50.460 --> 00:59:53.300 avatars that are now on sale for everyone to 00:59:53.300 --> 01:00:00.019 use. They are super cool. And with potentially 01:00:00.019 --> 01:00:03.090 the new creation tools that will come. using 01:00:03.090 --> 01:00:06.230 ai as well that will drive a new hopefully even 01:00:06.230 --> 01:00:09.849 more and different creators to you and to make 01:00:09.849 --> 01:00:12.929 different kind of games uh with it so that's 01:00:12.929 --> 01:00:17.349 on the creators and then obviously if we think 01:00:17.349 --> 01:00:20.409 like mobile is a great way to require audience 01:00:20.409 --> 01:00:24.469 very simply we'll uh we'll look at that channel 01:00:24.469 --> 01:00:27.190 and deliver something that we were not able to 01:00:27.190 --> 01:00:30.409 deliver before not because we didn't try very 01:00:30.409 --> 01:00:33.539 few people know the thing that we didn't mobile 01:00:33.539 --> 01:00:36.199 but actually it's been two years we've been building 01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:38.940 mobile products we've been play testing them 01:00:38.940 --> 01:00:44.079 and we've not been satisfied with um like the 01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:46.840 experience or the quality of those games we we 01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:50.000 killed that we shut down that product we didn't 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.059 want to launch product we were not happy with 01:00:52.059 --> 01:00:55.920 it essentially and and that's something that's 01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.159 very common in the game industry i think like 01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:01.989 less than 60 of the game in development are actually 01:01:01.989 --> 01:01:05.150 going live their full first launch and out of 01:01:05.150 --> 01:01:08.070 those less than one third will be still active 01:01:08.070 --> 01:01:11.929 after two years so very hard industry to make 01:01:11.929 --> 01:01:15.269 good games but we didn't give up we've been working 01:01:15.269 --> 01:01:17.949 for over two years with a new engine to deliver 01:01:17.949 --> 01:01:21.250 an experience that's much better on mobile and 01:01:21.250 --> 01:01:24.610 closer to what we wanted to do as our vision 01:01:24.610 --> 01:01:29.190 of the metaverse and i think 2026 will be the 01:01:29.190 --> 01:01:33.440 year for us to announce and start doing more 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:40.360 playtests with users from our community and use 01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:43.920 that product as a way to drive a new audience 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.019 to the sandbox that hopefully, because it came 01:01:47.019 --> 01:01:50.340 for the game first, for the creation tools first, 01:01:50.579 --> 01:01:53.920 will then explore the rest of the content on 01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:57.500 our map and so on and be that distribution that 01:01:57.500 --> 01:02:03.400 we needed. That's the approach, the plan. I'm 01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:07.599 starting to share a little bit too much. More 01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:11.280 to come in the official announcement. But I'm 01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:14.619 very excited. We're still here. We're still building 01:02:14.619 --> 01:02:18.420 different products that we're building. I'm also 01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:21.219 excited about Corners. It has good results since 01:02:21.219 --> 01:02:24.159 it has launched early in January. Even myself, 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:25.880 I was surprised. I don't know if you saw that 01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:28.260 tweet, but actually I earned a cent with my own 01:02:28.260 --> 01:02:32.440 curated post of selfies. Yes, I saw that. So 01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.719 I earned a hundred cents. I think you earned. 01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:38.760 It's still good. You know, I posted some of the 01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.380 best time over the years and people start to 01:02:41.380 --> 01:02:45.519 contribute too. So, you know, like we want to 01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:48.219 stay humble. We want to launch things, see if 01:02:48.219 --> 01:02:51.139 they work. Once we're happy with like already 01:02:51.139 --> 01:02:55.110 in a level of quality. Corner was one example. 01:02:55.349 --> 01:02:58.010 Sunshine is another. And what's coming to mobile 01:02:58.010 --> 01:03:00.909 will be an open one. And maybe people will regain 01:03:00.909 --> 01:03:03.730 the trust or the passion that they might have 01:03:03.730 --> 01:03:06.409 lost along the way and come back to sandbox through 01:03:06.409 --> 01:03:10.829 that. Yeah, I was just showing everyone the tweet 01:03:10.829 --> 01:03:15.110 where you earned 113 sand from corners. Yeah, 01:03:15.250 --> 01:03:18.929 I see. I see what you're talking about. I don't 01:03:18.929 --> 01:03:21.139 think you were sharing... Anything you weren't 01:03:21.139 --> 01:03:23.940 supposed to, because what you said so far is 01:03:23.940 --> 01:03:25.840 very consistent with what I've heard so far. 01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:30.500 The coroner's announcement by Robbie and others 01:03:30.500 --> 01:03:33.920 and the sand chain. Many of us signed the manifesto, 01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:36.559 by the way, myself included. I'm looking forward 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:40.039 to interacting on the sand chain. I'm still trying 01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:41.599 to figure out what it is I need to be doing there. 01:03:41.820 --> 01:03:46.380 So anything that can help point us in the right 01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:49.280 direction, I think, will. It would be very helpful, 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.300 too, so that we can continue to be a part of 01:03:52.300 --> 01:03:56.239 the community. And hearing about Sandbox Mobile, 01:03:56.500 --> 01:03:59.079 yes, we've heard that for quite a while. Looking 01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.880 forward to that. And the one new thing that I 01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:03.579 didn't really know much about was the AI integration. 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.300 So I had heard some details how you're trying 01:04:07.300 --> 01:04:11.900 to incorporate AI tools into, was it the Sandbox 01:04:11.900 --> 01:04:20.610 or was it in Sandchain and Corners? That's something 01:04:20.610 --> 01:04:27.289 even not yet announced. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's 01:04:27.289 --> 01:04:32.489 quite cool. All right. I've seen a lot of names 01:04:32.489 --> 01:04:34.809 popping into the chat right now. A lot of names 01:04:34.809 --> 01:04:38.409 you'd recognize, I think. Pickaxe Master, Play 01:04:38.409 --> 01:04:44.929 Game for Fun, Escape Room Artist, Wicked, where 01:04:44.929 --> 01:04:49.059 else? Go West, also. Where else? Shakespeare. 01:04:50.139 --> 01:04:53.239 A lot of folks that I recognize as well as being 01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:56.860 longtime SanFam community members saying hello. 01:04:56.940 --> 01:05:01.599 Also just talking about what their opinions are 01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:04.699 and what they're looking into for the sandbox. 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.260 Man, it's great to see all y 'all in the chat 01:05:08.260 --> 01:05:17.349 again. Good. I guess we were getting close. They're 01:05:17.349 --> 01:05:19.650 joining, but they might be able to see the replay, 01:05:19.809 --> 01:05:22.429 right? Yeah. It was recorded properly this time. 01:05:22.690 --> 01:05:25.349 Right. They'll be able to watch it. If you all 01:05:25.349 --> 01:05:26.929 have any community questions, now would be the 01:05:26.929 --> 01:05:29.710 time to ask because we're nearing. I just finished 01:05:29.710 --> 01:05:33.929 one of my last questions. And the one thing I 01:05:33.929 --> 01:05:36.530 want to talk about, not related to anything, 01:05:36.670 --> 01:05:39.309 is that background you've got. I saw a tweet 01:05:39.309 --> 01:05:43.800 that you put out just the other day. where you 01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:51.639 went to Marlene Corbin, one of the artists that 01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:57.260 you went to recently. I've seen for a while now 01:05:57.260 --> 01:06:00.159 that you're an art aficionado. You are an art 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.739 enthusiast. So you've got a CryptoPunks in the 01:06:02.739 --> 01:06:05.599 background. What is that piece of art on your 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:11.820 right, my left? Yes, so one of the fashion projects. 01:06:12.190 --> 01:06:16.329 I have is like, I have this, I operate this physical 01:06:16.329 --> 01:06:18.949 space in Paris. The Artverse, right? It's a digital 01:06:18.949 --> 01:06:22.250 art gallery called Artverse. Yeah. We're very 01:06:22.250 --> 01:06:25.250 open. We're also hosting events there that connect 01:06:25.250 --> 01:06:28.510 with gaming, AI, tech, movie, film. Actually, 01:06:28.510 --> 01:06:32.449 on Wednesday, we were doing a mini event in remembrance 01:06:32.449 --> 01:06:35.510 of NFT Paris, the conference that didn't happen 01:06:35.510 --> 01:06:38.909 this year, unfortunately, after five years. And 01:06:38.909 --> 01:06:44.039 we... I also collect art, digital art. And so 01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:48.480 some, whether I'm one of the sandbox Paris offices 01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.380 or here, I always had like art in the background, 01:06:51.699 --> 01:06:55.780 random checks, books, toys, figurines, and so 01:06:55.780 --> 01:07:00.400 on. So here is my crypto park. Here is actually 01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:05.440 a Korean art, Minhwa, from the end of the 19th 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:10.329 century. Tiger, mackeys, those animals. They 01:07:10.329 --> 01:07:13.250 became popular again, I think, with K -pop Demon 01:07:13.250 --> 01:07:18.250 Hunter last year. And, you know, we're hosting 01:07:18.250 --> 01:07:24.230 today in the space, the downstairs. We have an 01:07:24.230 --> 01:07:28.429 art exhibition in partnership with Bonk's community. 01:07:28.969 --> 01:07:32.030 They do some solar art. We have different artists 01:07:32.030 --> 01:07:34.809 and it works. So it's always great. And the thing 01:07:34.809 --> 01:07:41.280 I've been saying is we need to be, um inspired 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:43.480 by art and culture you need to be surrounded 01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:47.079 by art and culture in the metaverse that's how 01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:49.579 we started like on the day putting digital art 01:07:49.579 --> 01:07:52.739 and fts within those games and experiences but 01:07:52.739 --> 01:07:55.599 in physical world as well to open ourselves to 01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:58.639 different ways of thinking and perspective so 01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:02.300 even though i'm an engineer in background i turn 01:08:02.300 --> 01:08:05.639 out entrepreneur still a geek and the tech person 01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:11.719 mostly i have art around And Marlene, as we were 01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:14.239 saying, has been a friend. She was working for 01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:16.800 a company called La Collection before, which 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.319 was like an NFT marketplace, working with art, 01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:23.319 working with museums and collectors and artists. 01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:27.779 And recently she joined an art gallery, digital 01:08:27.779 --> 01:08:31.199 art gallery in Paris. So I was happy for them 01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.659 and the owner. And I came to their very side. 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:39.789 Yeah. And I see those tweets all the time. Thank 01:08:39.789 --> 01:08:42.430 you. I try to be present for everybody in the 01:08:42.430 --> 01:08:44.569 community. If you have the chance to meet me, 01:08:44.710 --> 01:08:47.609 have a selfie with me, post on Seb on Corner. 01:08:48.029 --> 01:08:51.609 And you know that I love to connect and help 01:08:51.609 --> 01:08:54.810 others. It's not just all about sandbox or what 01:08:54.810 --> 01:08:57.750 I do. It's more and always like, what can we 01:08:57.750 --> 01:09:00.609 do to help you in your project and your idea? 01:09:02.270 --> 01:09:06.680 Yeah, I think that's... obvious not just from 01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:09.680 from you being a co -founder of the sandbox but 01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:12.720 also just your appreciation for art and culture 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.619 you you've always consistently said that that 01:09:15.619 --> 01:09:17.800 culture you want to be the cultural capital of 01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:20.619 the metaverse that was one of the sandbox's vision 01:09:20.619 --> 01:09:24.159 and i've always resonated with that i can't say 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:28.340 that i myself am quite an art aficionado as you 01:09:28.340 --> 01:09:31.619 are i think i went to my first art gallery uh 01:09:31.619 --> 01:09:37.199 for the peoples Yeah, I went there not long ago. 01:09:37.260 --> 01:09:40.979 Actually, I have my little thing here. I want 01:09:40.979 --> 01:09:48.539 to show you something. Sorry. I went to this 01:09:48.539 --> 01:09:55.579 not too long ago. It's the Charleston Art Night. 01:09:58.250 --> 01:10:01.090 He's at the full level of the organized. So you 01:10:01.090 --> 01:10:03.869 might have crossroads of like same circles of 01:10:03.869 --> 01:10:07.390 people there. Right, yeah. Yeah, it was my first 01:10:07.390 --> 01:10:10.350 experience being in an art gallery. And I was 01:10:10.350 --> 01:10:13.850 kind of inspired by you and also Arthmort. You're 01:10:13.850 --> 01:10:17.789 familiar with Arthmort. So he was the one who 01:10:17.789 --> 01:10:20.289 really, when I did my interview with him way 01:10:20.289 --> 01:10:23.850 back, closer to when I interviewed you first, 01:10:23.989 --> 01:10:27.670 just our, I had to ask him like, What does a 01:10:27.670 --> 01:10:30.390 curator do? What is provenance? Like, I didn't 01:10:30.390 --> 01:10:33.449 know anything, anything at all about the art 01:10:33.449 --> 01:10:35.750 world. So I asked Arthmore in the interview, 01:10:35.810 --> 01:10:38.649 and he kind of educated me on what provenance 01:10:38.649 --> 01:10:42.770 was. What did curation mean? What were we curating? 01:10:42.930 --> 01:10:45.310 Like, so I had to learn all of those things. 01:10:45.310 --> 01:10:50.449 And recently when I was in town, I went to the 01:10:50.449 --> 01:10:54.140 Beeple studio. And just kind of looked at all 01:10:54.140 --> 01:10:56.939 of the art and the NFTs that he created. And 01:10:56.939 --> 01:11:00.640 it was a surreal experience. So I'm learning. 01:11:00.779 --> 01:11:03.880 I'm growing. I wouldn't have imagined that I 01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:06.479 would have ever done that had I not listened 01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:09.340 to you talk about culture and art and seen your 01:11:09.340 --> 01:11:12.640 tweets, but also talking to Arthmort and learning 01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:14.979 about the art community. And also being a part 01:11:14.979 --> 01:11:19.460 of Whaledow, where they host their weekly whale 01:11:19.460 --> 01:11:24.510 talk. I go there quite often. Just listen, they're 01:11:24.510 --> 01:11:26.810 huge art aficionados. So they're always talking 01:11:26.810 --> 01:11:28.789 about art and all the things that are happening 01:11:28.789 --> 01:11:31.989 in the community. So I just want to say, I guess, 01:11:31.989 --> 01:11:36.210 thank you for continuing to fight, to continuing 01:11:36.210 --> 01:11:40.050 to advocate for the community and for all the 01:11:40.050 --> 01:11:42.930 things that you believe will move us forward. 01:11:44.050 --> 01:11:48.699 Thanks. Merci beaucoup. well there's one last 01:11:48.699 --> 01:11:51.100 note about that you know how the mall was right 01:11:51.100 --> 01:11:54.560 downstairs one hour ago so i was catching up 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:56.720 with him and you know he's been also in charge 01:11:56.720 --> 01:12:00.640 of like managing the sandbox dow nfc collections 01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:05.039 like curating it selling some acquiring a new 01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:08.899 one but they did two rounds and it was a scene 01:12:08.899 --> 01:12:11.399 that actually generated revenue for the doubts 01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:14.649 we were discussing about like a great job What 01:12:14.649 --> 01:12:17.350 you've done, you've cleaned it up and been able 01:12:17.350 --> 01:12:22.329 to even make some revenue. And what next? We 01:12:22.329 --> 01:12:26.430 have some ideas on what next in art in general 01:12:26.430 --> 01:12:29.970 and how hopefully we'll see even more around. 01:12:31.149 --> 01:12:34.289 Yeah, I'm showing right now the flipbook that 01:12:34.289 --> 01:12:37.789 they just prepared, Josephine and his team. And 01:12:37.789 --> 01:12:41.550 I covered this in the last episode, but they 01:12:41.550 --> 01:12:46.189 sold 600 assets. To realign the collection. And 01:12:46.189 --> 01:12:50.750 they made. See the flip book number was. They 01:12:50.750 --> 01:12:56.470 made $400 ,000. Of revenue. For the DAO. And 01:12:56.470 --> 01:12:58.350 to me it's one of the things. That I highlighted 01:12:58.350 --> 01:13:03.550 as. This is success. We hired Arth Morton's team. 01:13:03.770 --> 01:13:08.170 To curate the NFT collection. That I think you. 01:13:08.310 --> 01:13:12.489 And Jean -Michel Payon. There was a gift. An 01:13:12.489 --> 01:13:15.789 endowment. to the DAO from the Sandbox and your 01:13:15.789 --> 01:13:18.510 collections. So first of all, thank you for that. 01:13:18.729 --> 01:13:22.930 And second, I've been learning from this and 01:13:22.930 --> 01:13:26.210 just kind of reading the reports because I love 01:13:26.210 --> 01:13:28.810 the DAO, but this is part of a SIP. So I've been 01:13:28.810 --> 01:13:31.689 reading what's been happening here and I've been 01:13:31.689 --> 01:13:36.850 learning about art in the process. Amazing. One 01:13:36.850 --> 01:13:40.229 person we introduced to a new perspective and 01:13:40.229 --> 01:13:44.439 I'm happy about that. Nice. Thank you. Even if 01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:48.640 it's only one person or one voice for it, that 01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:52.560 means that it was meaningful. Yeah, thank you. 01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:54.979 And I know I wasn't the only one because I would 01:13:54.979 --> 01:13:56.779 share some things with other people like, hey, 01:13:56.819 --> 01:14:01.239 did you know that the Arthmore has been curating 01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:06.220 and he's earned the DAO $400 ,000? And just like 01:14:06.220 --> 01:14:09.550 that's a conversation between like... business 01:14:09.550 --> 01:14:12.130 people and entrepreneurs, but it, it intersects 01:14:12.130 --> 01:14:15.989 with art in a way that, um, to me was inspiring 01:14:15.989 --> 01:14:19.310 to where I wanted to visit an art gallery. So, 01:14:19.390 --> 01:14:22.369 so there, there it is. I just wanted to share 01:14:22.369 --> 01:14:26.149 that connection that I'm learning myself from 01:14:26.149 --> 01:14:28.710 being a business person, an entrepreneur, a creator 01:14:28.710 --> 01:14:32.449 to now a little bit, a little bit of an art enthusiast, 01:14:32.590 --> 01:14:39.609 little by little. Amazing. So, That's what I 01:14:39.609 --> 01:14:43.470 had for you and the topics I wanted to go over. 01:14:43.789 --> 01:14:47.149 I really appreciated your time. Thank you once 01:14:47.149 --> 01:14:50.729 again for making yourself available to me, a 01:14:50.729 --> 01:14:54.770 lowly community member. We do have about 12 to 01:14:54.770 --> 01:14:58.529 13 people watching. So that right there tells 01:14:58.529 --> 01:15:01.050 me already there's still a lot of interest in 01:15:01.050 --> 01:15:06.050 this. Just having above 5 or 10 viewers puts 01:15:06.050 --> 01:15:09.180 you at... the top 10 % of Twitch streamers already. 01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:12.840 And just that's Sandbox, the Sandbox community, 01:15:13.020 --> 01:15:16.619 still in chat talking about all the things that 01:15:16.619 --> 01:15:19.119 they're seeing. But thank you for making yourself 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:22.500 available. And thank you for continually fighting 01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:27.220 for the DAO, fighting for the Sandbox, and being 01:15:27.220 --> 01:15:29.159 that global ambassador that you've always been. 01:15:29.460 --> 01:15:34.659 You've always been just a force for good. So 01:15:34.659 --> 01:15:37.819 thank you. Merci beaucoup. It's my little French 01:15:37.819 --> 01:15:43.779 that I know. Thank you. Merci, everyone. We'll 01:15:43.779 --> 01:15:47.159 speak soon again. We'll look at the next 100 01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:51.180 -something episode. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I have 01:15:51.180 --> 01:15:55.479 to myself think about where would I take a podcast 01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:58.640 about the Tao if the Tao is paused. So I have 01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:00.760 to make a decision there myself. But I've been 01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.460 thinking pretty hard about it. And I didn't want 01:16:03.460 --> 01:16:05.680 this moment to go by without talking with you. 01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:10.199 about yeah thank you very much for your time 01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:13.640 and for everyone who's watching uh i'm gonna 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:15.800 have to find someone new to raid now because 01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:18.779 shakespeare raided me when i was gonna raid him 01:16:18.779 --> 01:16:23.020 and so now now we need to find someone new but 01:16:23.020 --> 01:16:26.520 um that that's the end of it seb thank you and 01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:32.140 have a great day thank you take care bye see 01:16:32.140 --> 01:16:37.770 you in a bit or See y 'all in the metaverse.