Alright everyone, hello, good morning, good night, wherever you are in the world.
Sandow podcast number 58.
And today I have a special guest with me, Ayumi from Women in Tech.
And as you can see the bumper sticker there, on a mission to empower 5 million women and
girls by 2030.
So the scope of the talk is a meet and greet with Ayumi to learn about her, Women in Tech,
and the SIP that is in discussion right now is also a learning opportunity.
Because Women in Tech has been involved in the sandbox, especially if you've seen some
of the collaborations that's happened over the years.
So we'll get into a little bit into that.
So Ayumi and I, we do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox foundation.
We're not your financial or legal advisors and nothing we say is to be taken as financial
or legal advice.
When we say the word SIP we mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal.
We say the word DAO we mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization.
And when we use the word SanFam, we're talking about the sandbox community and those who
participate in the people, product, and purpose of this sandbox ecosystem.
That ecosystem looks a little bit like this if you're looking on the screen right now.
The people, everyone from gamers, the sandbox team, the product, everything from the game
client to the DAO.
And the purpose, what was originally mentioned in the white paper to an expand on by Seb
and Arthur Madrede and Yatsu.
All those things come together equals the ecosystem.
Today we're talking about the DAO, talking about partners.
And I'm your host Lanzer.
Ayumi here is from Women in Tech.
And Ayumi, if you wouldn't mind, please introduce yourself and your background.
Sure.
Well, thank you for this lovely introduction, Lanzer.
So Ayumi Morawaki, I am the founder and the CEO of Women in Tech Global.
We are this global organization that are founded back in 2018, headquarters in Paris in France,
but we are present all over the world.
So we have 62 official chapters.
That means in the countries where we have teams and we're doing on the ground work.
But we literally have over 300,000 members all over the world, like in all countries
in the world.
Yeah, 300,000.
That's a lot.
But yeah, it's exciting.
So that's a little bit about me.
And when, so I do some research and some of the things that I highlighted in your background
that I was looking through tech diplomat, social entrepreneur, and mother of four.
Yeah.
So you, your eldest is how old?
So my eldest is 24 and my youngest is seven.
So I've got 24 as a boy, 20 as a girl, 14 a girl, and then seven a boy.
Two girls, two boys.
And tech diplomat.
So some of the things I pulled out was that you're part of the tech diplomacy forum.
You've been...
I am the founder of the tech diplomacy forum.
Founder.
Okay, excuse me.
Yes.
You've been a previous TEDx speaker.
Yes.
Part of the Forbes Business Council.
Yes.
A member of UNESCO.
Yeah, I'm part of the advisory board for the gender UNESCO for women and girls in science.
For Forbes, yes, I was part of the Forbes Business Council and then one of the 40 women
in Forbes last year.
And tech diplomat, yes.
Yes.
That's a new passion.
Well, it's been a passion for over maybe for the last couple of years, but I decided to
really go further because from my experience firsthand with women in tech, with all these
countries around the world and how everything is shifting right now, there's a paradigm
shift of international relations, of innovation, AI technology.
How could we bring everything together in this rapidly changing world?
So this is how tech diplomacy came about.
And I'm doing my EGBA, so my executive doctor degree, and they call it the Pomp Business
School here in France.
And one of the topics I am researching on is on tech diplomacy.
And I also read as you're a doctoral candidate, also AI and international policy was involved?
Yes.
Yes, everything is involved.
So tech diplomacy with AI.
So I did my first papers, it was a quantitative research on gender bias in large language
models.
Okay, okay, got it.
And then how that will shape international policy as well.
So the research was not only international policy, it was really to show how there is
an existence of gender bias in large language models, especially in the in models like chat
tpt, perplexity, you know, Gemini, there's not one that doesn't exist.
So it was really to give empirical evidence of the fact that there is, and how it is seen
and what it represents, and what impact it can have on society, and particularly on women
and girls.
But that was one.
The other papers that I'm working on is mostly on tech diplomacy, on innovation, and how
can that influence international relations as such.
I'm not surprised you made the Forbes list, hearing all of this.
So not only are you a doctoral candidate, and the founder of the tech diplomacy forum,
and the founder of women in tech, and a mother of four.
All of these things put together.
That's I mean, how do you find the time to do all of it at once?
You know, I think it's passion, and one goes with the other.
You know, when I started my doctoral degree, a year and a half ago, even the professors
were saying, how are you going to be able to put it all together?
And so well, first, there's a lot of time instead of just swiping.
Also, I don't watch TV.
Besides, maybe half an hour of news or something.
Just all the time that you can when you're not watching TV.
I also do a lot of traveling.
So when you're in the planes, when you're in the transport, you can do so much.
I think if you're really passionate about, then you always find the time to do research.
And what I've been loving about doing my doctorate is that before, like we never have, like time
is something that you cannot expand, right?
So you just have to then try and make sure that you prioritize things.
And if you don't prioritize, there's always something that you have to do.
But if you put the priority into it, it's okay, that's not a priority, then someone
else will do it for me.
Not that someone else will do it for me, but there's always someone that can do that better
than you can.
Like you can do everything.
And then where my time will be most useful is for me to be doing my research, you know,
doing checking the checking information.
And then this work that I do for my DBA really works on my everyday work, whether it's going
to be for the tech diplomacy forum or with women in tech, empowering women, you know,
proposing things, talking to governments.
So this is why it's all interrelated.
So it's not like that after time.
I've seen that myself.
I don't watch TV either.
So most of my time I try to expand that and finding people who do things that are better
at it than you, like that is a real trick to the trade.
And I'm not surprised to hear you say that as the founder of multiple organizations at
this point, and having 62 official chapters.
Yes.
I just read a book recently, which is a great book.
I read it in December.
And honestly, I wish I had read it before, although it's called Who Not What.
Have you read that book?
I haven't read that one, no.
Yeah, it's called Who Not What.
And so many things that you can say, oh, I need to do that.
I need to do that.
I don't know how to, but you don't need to know how.
Oh, who not how?
Sorry, who not how?
And it's exactly this.
A formula for achieving bigger goals through accelerating teamwork.
Okay.
Yes.
And it's just so, yeah, that's how you can expand things and do more and involve.
And there's also the fun part is working in teams.
So you always realize that for someone that's going to be their expertise, they're going
to be happy to do it.
They're going to do better than you.
And then you don't have to do it.
So you can do other things where you're good at and then rely on people that do things
that can help you achieve the goal.
And everyone is excited about that.
So your only role, not only, but is know where it is that you want to do.
So you give the vision, then you make your team around and inspire them to reach that
vision, which is a common goal, right?
It's not something personal for me, but it's something that's going to be really for the
higher community and for the better of planet.
And so if you manage to get them excited, inspired, and that they see what the purpose
is, then it's unstoppable because people will want to be part of it because they see how
they can be a contributor, how they can help achieve that dream.
So it's teamwork, definitely.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, right there is how Ayumi is selected for one of 40 Women
Forums for 2023 and is founder of a hugely successful international organization with
62 chapters.
That right there is your reasoning.
That is very well explained.
Wow.
Yeah, but it's a group.
So each member, I've got my group, my core team and the core team, we've got these regional
directors, we have chapter directors and each of them have their teams and then they've
got their community.
And this is how it goes, you know, like the ripple effect.
But ripple effect that really works because if there's one thing I'm proud and I'm good
at, if I can say, is surrounding myself with people that are authentic and positive because
it only works if you put positive people that genuinely want to do the work, that generally
believe in the mission and the values that you share.
One bad person, bad, and I'm saying that it's not aligned, there's no alignment, toxic energy,
it does not work.
So you have to be able to remove the people that is no longer aligned or that's not going
in the same direction and just keep the people that are really pushing it forward and inspiring
the others and doing it in a genuine, authentic, positive way.
Yeah, definitely.
Build the team, work on the mission and then we'll find the things that they are good at
and it just becomes that.
So Women in Tech, I had, so we talked about Founded in 2018.
I had that it's spread across 54 countries at this point.
Yeah, you know, we opened.
Your latest opening was Kyrgyzstan, right?
Yes, Kyrgyzstan.
It was 10 days ago.
It was fabulous.
It was.
And it was fabulous.
I saw the pictures on LinkedIn and it was just wonderful.
I mean, how many people showed up to that?
That was, that looked like thousands of people.
Yeah.
So first Kyrgyzstan, when you say, oh, we're opening Kyrgyzstan, no, you have to Google
and Google Maps know exactly where it is in the world.
And then I remember going there, we had to cross the border from Kyrgyzstan to Kyrgyzstan
by foot.
It was quite a, it was quite a mission, but I love the country.
You had to get there by foot?
Well, obviously you can fly in, but because of that, I had a conference in Kazakhstan
in Almaty the day before on the Saturday.
We said, well, it's easier.
And there were no flights in the evening and they had to be there in the morning.
I said, well, we have to go by car.
But the taxi couldn't cross the border.
So we had to go back.
So he left us on one side of the border and then we walked the border and then another
taxi picked us up on the other side.
And it was a snowing storm.
Oh God, you know, it was, I think the movies, it was, but it was fun.
It was really fun and everything went out super well.
And the next day, sunny, like lots of snow, but sunny.
And there were 1,100 people that came to our event on a Sunday morning.
Like God, no, me Sunday morning, I stay in bed or, you know, I have like a brunch or
something.
1,100 people came.
We had over 1,500 registrations, but 1,100 came, including the Minister of Economy, of
Industry.
We had the UN Women, we had UN representatives, we had Ambassador of France, of Germany, of
Kazakhstan, IT director.
We had the communities from Uzbekistan that came and from Kazakhstan as well.
So the whole of Central Asia was there just for us, just for women in tech.
Well, not for us, but for what we stand for and what the vision is, you know, to empower,
to skill, to give more visibility to those women, especially the students that were there.
So it was extremely touching and it was great.
And that's not the first time I've seen such an illustrious list.
I mean, in some cases, I saw former presidents of France and Croatia in attendance in some
of your events.
It's very well attended.
Yeah, so former president Zoko Linde, Grabar Gitarovic, so she attended an event of Kosovo
as well.
We're very well connected to governments.
We are not part of any sort of non-governmental organization, but we know that if you want
to move things, we definitely want to work in collaboration with governments, so it facilitates
us working really on the ground, on the grassroots level.
We have had the high patronage of President Macron for the past three years on the role.
We don't get any funding from them.
We really like non-governmental independence, but we definitely have the recognition and
the moral support and encouragement of many different governments.
Yeah, that is so awesome to see.
Oh my gosh.
So women in tech, for those who don't know, advocacy, I pulled a quote from your website,
advocacy is the core of our mission to drive systemic change in the tech industry.
And also the mission is closing the gender gap and empowering women to embrace technology.
Is there, what would you say is, so the four pillars, that's the part where I wanted to
understand a little bit more about.
Four pillars and seven sustainable development goals, SDGs.
Yes.
So we work on the four pillars so that we can really focus on different things, right?
Because to close the gender gap.
So today in the workforce, we have 28.2% of the workforce are women, globally.
And for the past couple of years, it has not changed.
Maybe 0. something percent, but the figures are moving very slowly and they are still
there.
And if it was just one main reason of that challenge, it would be easy to fix it because
if it was just, I don't know, school or whatever.
But in fact, we've identified many different things that were challenging for women that
don't empower them to come.
So first is education.
So whether the young girls, I was just at the UNESCO summit for women and girls in science
day, it was yesterday or the day before.
And in fact, there's empirical evidence has been research shown that a woman, a girl as
young as six years old already have stereotypes in her mind of what a scientist looks like.
And that's a man.
Right.
If you look at AI professionals, there are less than 20% of AI developers.
I think 12% AI developers are women.
And so it goes from, it comes from this pipeline from education, whether it's the stereotypes,
whether it's, you know, those kind of subjects that girls, they take at school and then afterwards
in the graduate university level.
In most part of the countries, I say, because in countries in regions like the Middle East,
so I say, Mina, whether it's Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, UAE, you find that in fact, there
are many, even more girls students in STEM subjects, like engineering, than men.
It's been like a boom over there.
However, when you go into transforming this talent and getting them into the workforce,
that's where it drops.
So whether you in the US, in Saudi Arabia, in Japan, it drops back to those 20, between
20 and 20 and 30%, let's say, according to the country.
So we had this massive talent that does not go into tech.
And what is your research shown is some of the challenges that you're tackling in that?
Yeah.
We've got the challenges of stereotypes, of media, of education and scaling.
So we have to skill them to be able to come into the workforce.
We have to skill them whether they are in a very young age or even once they're out
of school, if they want to pivot to coming to tech in a later stage in life.
They say today, every person has at least seven different jobs or careers that they
can have in a lifetime, like a cat.
So you can pivot at any time.
Second pillar is business.
So the workforce, whether you're in corporate world or whether you are in the entrepreneurship
world, an entrepreneur, like a startup founder, it's very hard.
In the corporate world, it's hard, once again, because the culture in the tech companies,
they are perhaps not as, how to say, as welcoming as they should be for many different reasons,
because you see, yeah.
And this you see not just because I'm saying so, but this is seen by the numbers.
I like this is my PhD kind of hats.
Please, please, yes.
So data shows that there is more, the talent retention for women is much lower than that
of men in tech companies.
So then, and if you go to qualitative research, it says that they don't feel that it feels
like a like a boys club, not in all companies, of course, but this is the feeling.
And that's why there's less retention and more dropout of women in certain stages of
the career, whether it's early stage afterwards comes from motherhood.
So many fall out and then they they don't feel encouraged to come back in.
So that stage and then that's in the corporate world.
And then if you are a startup founder or in the entrepreneurship world, it's very hard
for women to get funding.
So less than three percent of the funding of of overall investments go to female led
startups, which is nothing.
Right.
Can you imagine it's it's it's peanuts.
So trying to get.
Companies and initiatives and businesses out when you don't have any money, you can have
all the energy you want, but at some point you need some cash.
Right.
So so that's a difficult part.
And then another section is the digital inclusion, digital and social inclusion, because women,
they are 30 percent less likely to have access to Internet connection and devices than men.
So if you look at give you an example in in South Africa, in the global south, in South
Africa, in many other countries, especially with the large families, when if you have
a large family, you have like one iPhone, I'm sorry, one smartphone for the whole family,
the girl will be the last one to get, you know, access to it, whether it's for the
to doing their school homework or to anything.
And if they've got a small budget for education, they're going to be privileging the boy.
If there's a family like girls, then the girl because it's OK, she's going to get married.
She doesn't need to study or the boy does.
And so there's a lot of so the social inclusion.
We have to support the women to be able to be to get that education, to get access so
that they can be financially independent.
Right.
And then they can make businesses and stuff.
So social inclusion is very it's a very important pillar.
And for this, we even have learning centers.
We have two learning centers in South Africa, one in Cape Town in a township called Philippi
Village, where it's like a safe haven where we have computers, we'll have Wi-Fi and we
even give like lunch, you know, sometimes, you know, some food, because it's also a way
of retaining, getting the children to come to our center.
And I might say girls and boys, it's not because you're a boy, you cannot come.
We make sure that we're going to be reaching out to girls so they encourage them to come.
Otherwise they feel that they don't belong.
But boys are also well-possessed.
The same as Burundi and in Brazil as well.
And the fourth pillar is advocacy and advocacy in many ways.
I've seen through my my career now with Women in Tech that we can do amazing work on the
ground.
But if you really want to move things and shift mindset and and go quicker, we have
to be not only on the grassroots level, but you also have to be at the top level, top
level where decisions are being made with governments, with policymakers, with presidents
so that they can have this brand awareness and they can also support us with policies.
So we need both.
We need to be really on the ground, but we also really need to be speaking to those who
are making the laws so they can see our perspective and fight for our rights.
I can see why Women in Tech is so successful.
It's a very well-developed strategy.
It's a very well-developed position and what you're focusing on.
And some of the impact that I was looking at was and this segues quite well into this
the SIP as well, the improvement proposal, skilling with education, water to rural Zambia,
supporting women entrepreneurs and involving world leaders.
Very closely aligned with what you just spoke on.
Yeah.
Yes, yes, yes.
Everything is connected, right?
We can't say, okay, we're just doing this, we're just doing that.
We have to do a bit of everything.
And because we're not good in everything, that's why we've got teams that are dedicated
to different sectors.
And then some countries are not so involved in, I don't know, like social inclusion.
Maybe that's more like for the African countries and then maybe for instance, our USA team,
they're going to be more working on female entrepreneurship or in influence.
So it depends.
It's also very personal, right?
Because it's a lot of volunteer work that we have around the world.
So our leaders, they have to be really intimately and passionate about what they're going to
be doing on the ground because they're not paid for to do it.
So if the work that they're really passionate about is going to be skilling education, that's
it.
But my South African director, she's passionate about rural areas because she comes from a
rural area.
So she's there trying to make a school in a rural area.
So it's very personal as well.
So they can choose as long as it's aligned in one of our four panels.
And what was that, the kids lab or the make-a-thon?
So the make-a-thon, we did it in Nigeria.
So she's very much into entrepreneurship.
So her vest and the make-a-thon is really to try to scale the women's world to make them
build their businesses.
And the kids lab, we do it in Cape Verde and in Portugal.
These are more like the Portuguese countries.
It's a program that they developed, designed from the beginning.
So they've implemented it.
And I love that one.
I love the kids lab.
That's so cool.
The last thing I wanted to go over as our context was the Women in Tech Global Summit.
So the summit itself, I mentioned before in different events, you've had former presidents.
You mentioned former president Macron.
Yes.
I don't know his patronage.
So he didn't come because he couldn't.
But he has given his high patronage, which is very rare and it's a real token of...
I must not have understood that term when I read it.
What does high patronage mean?
High patronage means it's under his blessings.
He approves his supports, his signs.
He says, no, delivered.
It's like a certificate.
I don't know.
It's like saying, okay, this is under our blessing.
Got it.
Okay.
Because that's...
It's difficult to get.
It's not just like, oh, yeah, we've got high patronage.
No.
It's like a whole thing to get the high patronage of the president.
And you have the next summit coming up here in April in Osaka?
Yes, in Osaka, Japan.
And why Osaka?
Because this year, 2025, Osaka is going to be hosting the World Expo, Universal Expo
2025, which is an event that only happens every five years in a different country.
So last summit was in Dubai.
This time is Osaka.
And in five years, it's going to be in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia.
And so we're going to be part of the Expo.
So that's like...
For us, it's also a huge milestone.
I'm seeing here 650 delegates.
There's going to be 80 speakers across three days.
Yes.
Three days because there is the Expo.
So it's such a...
There's going to be such a rich content.
And also because Osaka and Japan is far from us.
So if you go to Osaka, you're not going to go there for like half a day or one day or
two days.
So we're really putting together this experience so that people can not only discover Japan,
but mostly the Expo and also our own program, our Global Summit, which brings together...
It's almost like a G20 for us.
It's like our high level summit where we have delegations from our different countries coming
together and we have these high level discussions as well.
And so 2023 to 25 April, Osaka, Japan, fourth annual.
And good.
So these are some things I wanted to go over before we delve into the SIP itself because
they're very central.
As I was reading through the SIP, very central to the things that you're asking and the things
that you would like to submit for in the proposal.
So what is it that led you to writing the SIP?
Oh, how did I forget?
Your involvement as SanFam began as far as I could tell two years ago when you did a
collaboration with World of Women and Nabila.
Yes, Nabila Studio.
So you did a collaboration with World of Women and Nabila to do an experience.
And I have it here up now where it was a WOW Museum.
Yeah.
So the WOW Museum became like the women in tech headquarters for a couple of, for a certain
time.
And it was Nabila Studio, who's a female led designer, you know, for games and environments
who did the World of Women, who designed it for us, put it under our color and where we
had activations inside with our community.
And that was super successful.
And what I loved was really this collaboration between us and the World of Women, because
we're all about collaboration.
We're not saying, okay, we're going to be changing the world by ourselves.
I think the more women led initiatives, inclusion initiatives, belonging initiatives that exist
around the world, the better they are, because it means that there's a real need.
And so collaborating and working with them was a real joy.
It was really exciting.
And then in, let's see.
Okay.
All right.
So those are some key center context for what we're about to go over next, which was the
SIP itself.
And it looks like, pull it up here for everyone can see.
The SIP is Empowering Women in Web3, a strategic partnership between Women and Tech Global
and the Sandbox DAO.
Okay.
So the first thing I wanted to know about is how this SIP would impact lives.
And at this point, I'm just going to go over the questions, even though you've gone over
a number of the answers through World of Women, the Global Summit, the reasons why it exists
in the first place.
And the SIP mentions educational programs and key market areas.
Yes.
How did you come to focus on those key market areas?
I see India, Japan, Singapore, Philippines, and Malaysia.
So talking to the community, we've been to different meetups, also in Paris or in Japan.
So that was a feedback of the key focus areas or the countries that they would be more interested
in knowing that we are all over the world.
So if the target area would change, it's easy for us to change as well.
But I think those countries are where there's a lot of sandboxed communities already and
then where we would like to be able to develop to make it even more present through education.
We've had similar experiences with other stakeholders in the Web3 industry, mostly like in the blockchain
and I can say that Cardano Foundation, where we launched a Cardano Foundation Academy within
our own academy.
And honestly, in a couple of weeks, we already had 5,000 women take courses in the Cardano
Foundation Academy hosted in our platform.
So there's a real demand from our community to learn these things.
They want to learn.
They're eager there.
Why do they join us?
Because they've got access to mentoring, free access to training, to skilling, and to the
community.
And that's what women want.
They want to belong, they want to learn, and they want to be visible, and they want to
create.
Those are the main things women want.
So this is what we give them.
And some are going to be more interested in perhaps in a certain thing, and others are
going to be interested in something else.
And so many don't know the world of gaming, the world of the sandbox.
And this is why we want to give this to them.
This is, look, have you thought of it?
You haven't.
If you want to come in, we will help you.
We will scale you.
We will take you through it.
And you like it, you like it, you don't like it, you don't.
But at least they have the choice and they know it exists.
And we give them the tools to belong.
And the tools, the skilling in particular, some of the things that I see in the SIP here.
So you would be teaching them about VoxEdit, GameMaker, what sort of skilling?
So we try to see what skilling does not exist yet, or is not super available, and also how
women, how they would like.
Because we want them to get involved, to learn, but also to be active makers, creators afterwards.
So to learn what the ecosystem is, how it works, but also propose.
So how can they become game makers, creators?
How can they do different things?
How can they make money, make living out of it?
How can they do marketing?
How can they bring brands?
So we want to give them skills, not just to belong, but also to be able to make their
business, to develop businesses as well.
And so I was reading down below in the entrepreneurism part, tripping all over that word, where they
provide, where mentorship and coaching will be provided.
Super important.
Yes.
Tell me a little about that.
How does that pair with the educational programs?
Is it entrepreneurism?
Is it there, or is it elsewhere?
It is so important, the mentoring part, honestly.
Because in the life's journey of, so I'm really talking about the women and girls, right?
And they feel that they are supported, whether it's they go so much further, right?
And then so many more doors open.
So we've had our mentoring program for years already, and we've had thousands, really thousands
of women that has gone through it.
And we've got numbers and numbers of testimonials.
And we see how their careers and personal lives can improve because of mentoring.
Because we really support, we say, we've got your back and it's OK.
How do you learn?
How they feel that they're not alone.
And the completion rate of any program when you've done with a mentor and without a mentor
is not at all the same.
I think we've got 99% of completion rate when you've got a mentor.
Compared to when you're just on your own, you think, oh, no, I'll do it again.
Oh, I'm not good enough.
When you're not part of a cohort or of a, so we've got free courses that they can do
a self-pacing.
That's fine.
Many people do it, but many people don't go to the end of it.
However, when you are in a cohort and you belong, you are in a class, you always have
someone to support you.
When you're in a group, you feel like you're more driven by it.
So you've got your class and you've got a mentor.
So it's OK.
This is how it can also help you go through the steps, give you advice, career advice
and other kinds of advice.
So it's been a very successful formula that we've had for years.
And so it's important.
And so 99% completion rate with a mentor, I think that kind of speaks for itself right
there.
Yeah.
Can you tell me a little bit about the social inclusion program?
I wasn't able to quite decipher what that translated into.
So the social inclusion is giving access to those who don't generally have access and
giving them digital literacy courses for those who don't.
And also really specifically going.
So we have a center in a favela in Brazil, in a community in Brazil, and they have already
learned blockchain.
So we worked with Binance Academy as well a couple of years ago where we trained 1200
women and girls and boys and boys in Africa, Brazil, et cetera.
And so we gave them this Web3 literacy in these underprivileged places.
You don't have to be back in a privilege or rich kind of environment or university.
These kids, they don't go to school, many of them.
They don't have access because it's too dangerous because of all these different things.
So we also want to give them access to this latest technology, to Web3, because for us
it's a way for them to break the cycle of violence, of illiteracy, of poverty.
It's giving them access to this latest technology.
And maybe through this they will be able to come into, to give a better future for not
only for themselves, but also for their families and the communities around.
And so when I'm looking through this SIPP itself, which part would you say connects
to the social inclusion program?
I'm seeing the global event sponsorships.
I don't think it's that one.
Maybe in the educational programs where you have the academies?
Educational programs, yeah.
Okay.
Yes, definitely educational programs.
Okay.
All right, makes sense.
And I just want to say in the chat, Tom Vauxhall said he's also collabed with three very talented
women all over the world.
And it seems like there's a connection there to women in tech.
So Tom Vauxhall is a really well-known sandbox creator.
So I'm happy to see that the collaboration goes much further than just a collaboration
for Nabila.
And also it seems like y'all are connected with the sandbox, awesome Tom.
So that's really cool to see.
All right.
And the next one was events and advocacy activities, which I think was pretty closely aligned with
what I'm reading here in the global event sponsorships.
So Davos, Osaka Summit, and regional and global award support.
So I saw the, I will get into the sponsorship of the awards category, but can you talk to
me a little bit about the Davos, which I saw also that you had just attended when we almost,
almost did our interview in Davos.
I know.
But I have a video because we met with Seb a couple of times in Davos, including our
Women in Tech Global Council dinner, which was a launch there.
As I said, it's important to be where the main conversations with key global stakeholders
are taking place.
We want to be part of it.
We don't want to be at the bottom of the conversation.
Once again, it's super important to be on the ground, doing the ground work, but we
have to be where the decisions are being made.
And Davos is that place.
Davos is so important because not only do we see what conversations are being shaped,
where they're going, but we can be part of them.
So I was speaking in the World Economic Forum in this, it was a credit session together
with other like entity, Microsoft inside, where we announced the Osaka protocol, which
we will be signing in Osaka in April, which is this global framework, policy framework,
well, not policy really, but it's mostly like a commitment framework where public and
private sector organisations can commit.
Because one thing is, okay, yeah, we pledge to have more women, we pledge to skill.
Yes, but we don't want you to pledge.
We want you to do one thing is pledging and saying, yeah, we support, but you do it because
we all need to say, okay, what can I do to support?
So we are doing this.
So the Osaka protocol is a way for every single organisation to be able to commit to either
scaling, other training, other bringing devices or helping in some quantitative way.
Like you have to be able to measure and to transform and to report the numbers so that
we can impact so many women by 2030.
So our original goal was five million, which we're so hoping for.
But obviously, because we are looking at a much wider global reach with the partners
with this global alliance, we're looking at at least 50 million now.
So it's going to be scaling.
Yes, 50 million.
And the sandbox through our partnership would also be committing then, okay, the sandbox
commits to, you know, skill so many people by 2030, etc, etc.
So it's a real commitment, right?
It's not legally binding because we wanted to make it flexible enough for people to commit.
They're not going to go to pay a fine if they don't do it.
But you have to really commit so you can you know that you want to do it.
And then and then every year, like every quarter, there's going to be a very transparent reporting
system so that we can see where we are at.
And yeah, and we shall go because at the end of the day, this is what we want to do.
And that was and that was one of my questions back was the metrics of it.
Like how were you going to what were those metrics going to be?
How were you going to measure them?
And then at what point would we be able to see those metrics if we were able to see them
so that we could do our own kind of assessment?
Of course.
So we're not trying to embarrass anyone just I'd love to see those results.
No, I think I believe in transparency in all the way.
And if we know numbers and not just numbers, they realize impacted.
So if they impacted the one life of 50 million, you know, this is this is really what what
works.
So we wanted to be able to put in the Osaka Protocol things that you can count literally
like one, two, three, four.
How many girls women once again have been finished this program?
How many started?
How many finished?
How many women were found a job?
How many did this?
How many scholarships within?
How many took that university degree, etc.
So all these things.
So it's quite extensive.
So we have Osaka Protocol I can share afterwards for you.
So we're still looking the draft.
I read the Osaka Protocol and the women.
Yes.
Yeah, it's inspired by the Kyoto Protocol.
I saw exactly.
So it's inspired by the Kyoto Protocol in the sense that we want commitments, right?
So what do they commit to?
And then we can't and then every every quarter, maybe not course, are we every semester, every
half of the year, six months, we have our the people, the signatories, the ones we have
the committed to do something to give us their impact report can be and the impact report
we are building right now.
This platform that's going to be on the block chain because we want it to be immutable and
transparent and they're going to be saying, OK, I don't know, entity, they've impacted
so much.
We've done so much.
We've done so much for the members.
And so we can trace and we can see and if you reach 50 million better, wonderful.
If we didn't, if you reach more, even better.
And if we didn't, why didn't we?
You know, we're not there to say, oh, you didn't do this.
Say this is what we aspire to do and we're putting everything in place to do it.
If we didn't, let's look at the reasons.
How can we do better?
What can we change?
And if it worked, great, let's do bigger and better.
It's really a way just to measure to and to to keep track and once again to be transparent.
We believe in in being the credibility comes when you when you deliver and you're transparent
about it.
And so I was looking at the commitments, you know, the STEM education and skills.
Number two is representation, leadership and entrepreneurship.
Commitment number three was digital access and inclusion.
Number four is ethical technology development.
And so that's the only one, sorry, that we cannot measure as such because we can say,
we I mean, so the there are four pledges.
So the pledges, right?
Objectives.
However, the commitments come to the tops to the first three because those we can measure.
And the fourth one is a pledge to the yes, we are going to be supporting, you know, ethical
development of emerging technologies.
However, it's not something that you can measure the impact just to be clear.
OK, OK.
And so the timeline was this was originally announced at the World Economic Forum and
Davos, which you previously mentioned, and then April 24th of this year is where that
official sign in launch of the Osaka Protocol is expected to happen.
The 25th, in fact, yes, it's going to be on Friday.
Got it.
All right.
And so inspired by it, so the Kyoto Protocol had bonding commitments where it addresses
challenges that women face in digital society.
And this Osaka Protocol, there is a pledging commitment framework.
And that's where the training and the reporting system that you just mentioned, how does it
report on the block chain?
Good question.
This is why we're working with blockchain experts.
And what's the got it?
Yeah, we're building it.
Yeah, we are building it.
Yeah.
And hence the reason.
OK, got it.
I guess I you're still building it.
All right.
We don't want it to be too complicated.
Yeah, they know like people, they have to be able to, you know, to give us the we see
what the metrics are, what exactly what it falls under and just put it in a in a in a
dashboard where it can be traceable.
Got it.
OK, so this SIP, in addition to to enabling the education in those key markets, the entrepreneurism,
the coaching, the mentorship, the social inclusion programs and the events and advocacy, both
at the Osaka Protocol and in Osaka.
I mean, it is in Osaka.
Yeah, it's in Osaka.
Also, the last thing I saw was the sponsorship of world and women category in women and tech
global awards.
Yes.
So important because we want to give visibility to women.
And we're seeing right now how women are being erased.
Some sometimes know from from from the work they've been doing.
So we want to give visibility to women and those that are doing great things in the space
and have them be ambassadors to have more women follow their footsteps.
So it's a very important thing that we do with the women in global awards.
So we've got three reasons for the global awards.
First obviously is to give visibility to women.
So many times we go on conferences and most of the experts are men.
Again, I love that they are experts, but I'm sure that we we also want to have female experts
to lead the way as well.
I think there can be a nice balance between both.
And sometimes they don't.
They people say, well, we can't find them because they're not visible.
So it's a way to go reach out, identify the women who are doing remarkable work in that
in that part of tech, in Web3, across the world.
So from the global awards, which were the first four years, which is global, I decided
when you look at the at the finals, the nominees at the end, they were mostly I don't know,
US, Europe, and they didn't really represent the entire world.
This is why I decided three or four years ago to really make regional awards.
So there would be Latam.
So we divided the world into seven different regions, Latam, Africa, Europe, North America,
APEC, Middle East, focuses Central Asia, and then the regional awards.
They would do like the preliminary and then the winners of each one of those go to the
global so that the end of the day, every single region is represented in every single category.
So it's really global.
And then so imagine the way that we can identify all these hundreds of women from around the
world and make them be like ambassadors for the industry in their own region.
This means that we can really penetrate the market so much deeper and really be true to
this grassroot level that we want.
And so the sandbox in this SIP would sponsor women in Web3 category?
Yeah, exactly.
Women in Web3.
I find that one on the website because I've been that I'm not able to see it on the website.
So maybe so.
Yeah, because we've got a couple of websites as women in tech dash awards.com.
And then if you go to the to the different categories in the global awards.
And also last year, we didn't do all the other regions.
Right.
So I think we're just a global and perhaps one or two regions that was by the sandbox.
So this year, what we would like, that's really our wish is for for the sandbox to be able
to sponsor all the regions because then it makes sense.
Oh, I see.
I see.
Got it.
We're talking all the regions.
Yeah, all the regions including global.
It's just a global bit in the regions, you know, like you miss out on on the events that
we do on the ground in the regions because we really do a world tour.
Like it's not it's not online.
Our events, our events are obviously we can do online, but we go this as a physical place
or like some we do it in Peru.
This year, we're going to be doing Panama and the North America.
We've been doing Washington, D.C. for the past two years.
Now we're going to go to Canada and then any from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan for the APEC
Awards.
We're going to Kyoto this year.
So we're doing also in Japan and we're doing in the bag in the IBS, which is one of the
of Japan's and regions like largest startup and crypto kind of environment conference
with thousands of people.
So we have a whole vertical just for women in tech, which is not only just the awards
that the awards are made as part, but generally we do like a summit the whole day.
So people come.
There are panels.
There are stands, you know, the representatives and then the cherry on the top is the awards.
That's not just the awards.
We do lots of activations also on the ground.
Like when you do the Africa Awards, we go to Philippa Village, we go to universities,
we do things around because if you travel, they're not just to give the award, but we
do many different things.
And on top of it, we do the award.
Got it.
OK.
And so the other question that we're rolling into was how how does it connect to the sandbox
ecosystem?
And one of the things that you had responded to me on the forums was that it expands the
sandboxes present at many of these prestigious events.
And then it's also has a sustainable impact through education.
So it meets a lot of our education initiatives as well.
I think that pretty much well speaks for itself now at this point.
The budget I saw is two hundred fifty thousand sand, which is about one hundred and forty
thousand US dollars.
But that was in the beginning, Lanza.
So now talking to the people from the Dow and the community, they suggested that we
break it down per not like one takes it all.
And we break it down by by pillar.
Right.
So the first one that we brought it, that's the most urgent because it's the one coming
up is our global summit in Paris.
Oh, sorry, not in Paris, in Osaka in April.
So this is why we had that a sip just for the Osaka.
So that can be done in a quicker way and the budget then it's smaller because just the
budget for the Osaka.
And then afterwards we'll go through, we'll do different sips for the different parts
of it, of the events, the education, etc.
Got it.
So there's global event sponsorship, there's educational programs, but you get about half
of it.
So it's very consistent with what you've been saying so far about how important education
is.
Another 40% to the global event sponsorships, which we already discussed, and then 20% to
the Osaka protocol.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes, and it's important to see.
And sometimes they say, yeah, we support, we support.
Yeah, but no, put your makesh commit to what you're doing and then money where your mouth
is away.
So money, money, money.
Exactly.
So then in the implementation timeline here, we have quarter one, you would launch those
event sponsorships, which would be the Osaka coming up.
Again, Academy set up in those initial markets that we talked about in you said India, Malaysia
specifically, but the rest of the key Asian areas that we discussed.
Protocol framework finalization.
So the Osaka protocol.
Yeah.
Well, we're working on right now because it's going to be launched in all signed in, in
Osaka in April.
So we've already started working with it in the joint Davos.
And then now we're working with the scary committee.
And then we're going to be signing it in, in Osaka.
And then phase two, which would be quarter two, that would be the protocol, the summit
and assign itself launching of academies in Japan and Philippines.
So you're now expanding in those key markets you were discussing.
Your impact assessment.
So I assume that would be like the reporting, the metrics that you.
Then phase three, later on in this year, Singapore, on scene in Singapore, which I know a number
of San Fam.
So I've had previous guests on a number of which who are from Singapore.
And you know, I've never been to Singapore, so this year I want to go to Dr. Loretta Chen
would love to host you.
Okay.
She's an advisory board member, but she's from Singapore.
And I have, we've had her on to discuss her views as an advisory board member, wonderful
person.
Also, she has her own studio.
So I bet you there's a collaboration there that could happen.
You make the introduction.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
She's a wonderful, wonderful person, very much an advocate for many of the things that
you've been mentioning so far.
So anyways, she from Singapore, regional award events, global award ceremony, and then another
impact report.
So I'm loving the fact that you've made reporting and kind of showing what it is that you've
been doing part of your phasing here.
Not only because I think people want to know what we do, but I think it's also it's recognition
for the work of our teams.
Like we say, okay, this is what you've done.
Look, look at what you've done.
Thank you.
Congratulations.
You know, we do, we work a lot with, with volunteers on the ground.
So this is a recognition of their work, you know, so it's important to show.
And I also have as a program manager myself, I have a love of, of risk analysis and your
risk analysis has not only identifying what the risk is, like event participation, educational
program adoption, protocol implementation, budget management, and those risks that many
people like all of us, we face the low participation rates, the varying adoptions that across markets.
So not every, as we mentioned the very beginning, not every market looks at that adoption the
same way, different pressures and conditions, delayed stakeholder adoptions.
Right underneath it, you have all the mitigations that you're going to do.
How you're going to do a phased approach with very clear incentives, work with at the local
level and customize per the culture and the conditions.
This is important because we've got these different levels and we work with teams on
the ground.
They are there.
So they tell us, yes, we can.
No, we can't.
We've got holidays here.
We've got that this cultural, there's a cultural barrier.
You should, you know, reach it this way.
We should change the wording.
We are there to support and to make it work.
And then our teams will tell us how to make it work.
And then we'll try different things because this is how we know.
And because we've got seven years experience, we have already pretty much tried different
things that we've seen what works and what doesn't work.
So I think we can learn from our previous mistakes and we'll obviously we'll continue
learning, but we're very agile in the sense that we can, you know, quickly pivot to adapt.
Yeah.
And hence probably why I'm seeing in your contingency, which contingency just means
backup, your backup plan.
So that's where you like in your education program, if you had varying adoptions and
that risk were to be realized, you have then a flexible curriculum that you would then
re-approach with.
So maybe you wouldn't have the entirety of the curriculum.
You would tailor it to make it a little bit more adopted in that.
I'm a big fan of the way you approach these risks.
You had your risk, your mitigation, and then what you're going to do about it as your contingency.
I loved it.
I just thought that was a special note.
Thank you, Lanza.
Awesome.
I think we have hit just about everything.
The only thing that I wanted to end with was what was it that led to you writing the SIP?
I know you have previous collaborations with SandFam and the Sandbox.
Was there something specific where you said Sandbox is definitely the right partner for
us on this?
Honestly, I've seen how the Sandbox ecosystem, the Sandboxers, the family, the management
team as well.
I'm deeply engaged and I love the vision and the whole atmosphere.
I think it's authentic.
I think the work you guys are doing are great.
I think it really aligns with what similar values.
I'm very happy in the sense that we've got the luxury of being able to choose the partners
we want to work with.
It's so hard the way we're doing it, so we don't just want to partner to partner.
We want to partner with people and with companies, with communities that have the same values,
the shared mission, so whether it's going to be through the education, whether it's
going to be the Web3.
The only gaming partner we have is Sandbox because we've identified it as the most valuable,
the most authentic and the most positive environment for our women to be in.
Because we've seen the work you've done with the World of Women, because we've already
experienced for the past two years, now we feel ready.
We say, okay, we know that they walk the talk.
We feel comfortable and we want to be a bigger part of it now.
Wow.
I'm a supporter.
I support what you're doing here.
I think there is a definite connection.
And it's not the first time that you have been involved in Sandfam, so that you're not
a new face.
Even if some people might not have known that you were behind some of these collaborations,
very clearly you've been involved in Sandfam before.
And Walpax in the chat saying, yep, going to check this out.
Great initiative.
I agree, Walpax, completely.
Thank you.
So is there anything that you'd like to end with, any sort of final plugs or closing statements?
Honestly, no, I think we've gone through everything.
I wanted to say thank you, Lenzer, for being such a great supporter from the beginning,
for waking up at 5 a.m., your local time, to have a chat with me, for being so positive
and warm and supportive.
And this is one of the reasons why we want to be part of this fabulous Sandfam, because
of people like you and like Seb and others we've had the real chance to work with, to
collaborate.
And it really emphasizes why we want to do this with Sandbox.
I'm probably going to butcher this.
That was Portuguese, everyone.
My very bad Portuguese.
Because I think we mentioned at the very beginning, Ayumi, you are not from France, your heritage
is Brazilian.
I am half Japanese, Ayumi, and I'm quarter Brazilian, a quarter British, but I was born
in Brazil, in Rio.
And then I grew up in Johannesburg, in South Africa.
And I've been living in France for many years now.
Grew up in Johannesburg.
You are a very storied background, very diverse background.
I grew up in your heart, so that's why fighting anything against discrimination is so close
to my heart, I have it in my skin.
It is your very being.
How about that?
It's been such a pleasure to have you on, Ayumi.
Thank you so much for your time.
Obrigado.
De nada, de nada.
Complicia.
Thank you, Lenza.
Thank you, everybody.
So everyone, thank you.
This was Sandow, 15 years old.
This was Sandow, 58.
We had Ayumi from Women in Tech, who's the founder of Women in Tech, an international
organization seeking to do a collaboration with the sandbox to empower women in Web 3.
It had various elements to it with education, internship, coaching, event sponsorships.
And we're not talking like, we're talking prestigious events.
And some of the things that will help not only women in tech, but also further the goals
of sandbox.
So Ayumi, thank you for your time and have a great day.
Have a great day.
Thank you.