1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,600 Hello everyone, Sandow Podcast number 55. 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:13,000 Today is January 9th. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,200 It's our first one in the new year. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,200 2025. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,200 A lot has happened. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,920 A lot has been happening over the past month for the Dow. 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:32,040 And today we're going to be talking about SIP number 18, which is the Sandow Podcast 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,040 SIP. 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,640 So the one you're listening to right now. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:40,520 We propose the funding of 15 more episodes. 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:46,560 And as you can see from the thumbnail, spoiler alert, it did not go as expected. 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,480 So today isn't a read through of SIP number 18. 13 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:58,800 It's an after reaction report, a hot wash, a debrief to just walk through what happened 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,440 and a little bit of commentary thrown in. 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,360 I do not represent Sandbox Game or the Sandbox Foundation. 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,960 I'm not your legal or financial advisor and nothing I say is retaken as legal or financial 17 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:11,960 advice. 18 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:14,600 When I say the word SIP, I mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal. 19 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:20,320 When I say the word Dow, I mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization. 20 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:25,240 When I refer to Sandfam, I'm referring to the Sandbox community, those who participate 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,360 in the people, product and purpose of the ecosystem. 22 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,520 That ecosystem, according to me, looks a little bit like this. 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,960 We've got the people, everyone from a gamer to the Sandbox team, product, everything from 24 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:41,580 the game client to the Dow and the purpose, which is a white paper and all the things 25 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:48,900 that the senior leadership of Sandbox has said to clarify why the Sandbox exists. 26 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:51,680 All that together equals the ecosystem. 27 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,280 It spins around and around every single day, all of us trying to just figure it out and 28 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,280 do what we can. 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,640 This episode centers around both the participants, also I should say the Dow delegates and the 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,920 actual Dow itself. 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,680 Scoreboard is... 32 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,040 I did update this slide. 33 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:18,880 So we have zero SIPs for voting, 10 SIPs approved, nine SIPs not approved. 34 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,880 Which is now SIP number 18, I'd say. 35 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:32,840 It's Sandow Podcast did not pass, so it is now 10 SIPs approved, nine SIPs not approved. 36 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:40,840 And a number of SIPs on draft that are going to go to vote, one of which is the establishing 37 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:48,520 of the community council, which was written by the Sandbox Dow admin team and also co-authored 38 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,640 by myself. 39 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:56,760 The team selection for the UGC platform is still awaiting to go to vote, so unsure when 40 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:57,760 that'll be. 41 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:05,560 And for the Dow checkbook, because the SIP 18 did not pass, the checkbook remains unaffected 42 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:12,360 at 2.3 million Sand of our 15 point Sand million budget having been spent, 15%. 43 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:21,560 We're at 211,000 token holders, 2,200 voters, almost 10,000 votes. 44 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,920 I'm Lancer, Sandow Podcast host, also president of the MetaWorlds group, which we have published 45 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:29,120 two experiences. 46 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,440 One was a Game Maker Fund 2023 called Lava Defense, and one was a Builders Challenge 47 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:42,400 one called Floor Droppers, which was just featured in Alpha Season 4. 48 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:50,160 Today we'll be talking about SIP number 18, which is funding 15 more episodes for the 49 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,160 Sandow Podcast. 50 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,720 Sandow Podcast is what you're listening to right now. 51 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:59,720 It is an educational and news show, all specifically about the Sandbox Dow, all the things that 52 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:06,600 happened, all the new updates, interviewing authors and all sorts of things. 53 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:12,480 We're at 55 episodes in about five, five months. 54 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:18,840 So we're going to go through from beginning to end what happened, and then we'll end with 55 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:23,460 surfing through the forums discussions to see what the comments were. 56 00:04:23,460 --> 00:04:28,840 And then we will go through what happens next for Sandow Podcast. 57 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:37,960 So here's the first thing was I made an announcement video of requesting vote from the community. 58 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,280 So we'll go through that first, then we'll read through the proposal details, talk about 59 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:44,640 the council's negative recommendation. 60 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:50,440 Then we will go through the voting results and how some early knows kind of set the stage. 61 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:56,960 There's mixed delegate voting, and then the nail in the coffin was the Wellvault 7.6 million 62 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,560 no vote, which tipped the scale from a majority yes to a no. 63 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,520 And then a spoiler that was my fault entirely. 64 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,840 Didn't expect to happen that way, but it did. 65 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:15,360 And then the forum discussion, which was one of, if not the most responded to discussion 66 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,480 thread in the Sandbox Dow forums. 67 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,880 It generated so much discussion debate. 68 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,480 I think we really figured out a lot of what we were looking for out of a sip out of that. 69 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,080 And how we wanted to spend our resources. 70 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,280 So let's look at the announcement video first. 71 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:38,080 And here's what I made up about a month ago, right, right before the sip went to vote. 72 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,960 Hey, Sam fam, my name is Lancer. 73 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:47,280 I want to talk to you about SIP 19, an educational and news podcast all about the sandbox Dow. 74 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:52,680 I started the Sandow Podcast as a way to discuss the launch of the Dow with the community. 75 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,200 Our episodes range from interviews with special counsel and advisory board members to official 76 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,200 delegates. 77 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,040 Topics cover land ownership and voting. 78 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,640 And we've covered almost every sip plus an interview with the sip author if they were 79 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:05,640 available. 80 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,720 We also go over other community reactions with community members. 81 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,920 We just celebrated our 50th episode covering how the Dow admin team has been delivering 82 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,720 on transparency goals to the community. 83 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,000 We published 50 episodes in only five and a half months, which is about one episode every 84 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000 three days. 85 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:29,520 Our 34 guests have answered over 400 questions and reception from San Fam has been very humbling. 86 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,160 The audience has watched over a thousand hours of content with thousands of social media 87 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,560 engagements and hundreds of podcast episode downloads. 88 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,920 By far the most impressive stat we've reached is up to 27 live viewers when live streaming 89 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:44,920 our episodes. 90 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,140 These are really good numbers for a Twitch live stream as most channels don't average 91 00:06:49,140 --> 00:06:50,140 above five viewers. 92 00:06:50,140 --> 00:07:01,680 I want to pause right there and that is actually one of my low key most the results that I 93 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,920 was most excited about. 94 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,680 It's really, really hard to get above five viewers right now. 95 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:13,520 This episode alone has two when you're listening to right now and we were able to get over 96 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:20,280 20 three times and over 10, I don't know, probably half a dozen more. 97 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,280 Hey Roxy. 98 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Hola amigo mi gente. 99 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,680 And so we were able to get almost 30. 100 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:34,440 That was the magic palette episode with Pepe when we did the, I think the demo and also 101 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:40,440 the interview with Mia Bao, who's a advisory board member. 102 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:45,440 And then our interview with Bruno also known as Pickaxe Master, who is a very well known 103 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,360 developer and also host of Sand Fam Cafe. 104 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:57,600 So those were really cool and Sandbox has always been kind of a Twitch heavy community 105 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,600 in addition to Discord. 106 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,600 So we're going to keep going with the video. 107 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,440 We're requesting funds to scale Sandel podcast for a larger audience, which means more guests, 108 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:12,120 deeper analysis, more platforms, basically to do it bigger and better. 109 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:17,000 I myself am no stranger to podcasts having run five shows since 2016, which is over a 110 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 hundred episodes. 111 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,400 I myself have been Sand Fam since 2021. 112 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,640 I'm a gamer, landowner, studio publisher of mini game experiences like Floor Droppers, 113 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,640 which is currently in Alpha season four. 114 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,120 And I'm a part of many different web three families. 115 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,600 I send her my podcast around the Sandbox dial touching frequently on the Sandbox ecosystem. 116 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:42,360 That Sandbox ecosystem episode 31 is my favorite one of all time. 117 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,120 I love that one the most. 118 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,680 This is coincidentally one of my top viewed episodes alongside my interview with Seb, 119 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:54,520 my first episode with Andy Rich in Hottle Hill and episode looking into how the Dow 120 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,680 came to be called the birth of a Sandbox Dow. 121 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:03,320 I also my top five is an interview with Touche after he took a step from the Sandbox back 122 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,880 in October. 123 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:14,080 I normally don't look at views for the show and for the podcast SIP itself, I did end 124 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,320 up having to look at the views to account for the numbers. 125 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,160 I didn't actually realize that episode 31 entered the Sandbox ecosystem was my highest 126 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,840 viewed by far. 127 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:31,280 It was higher, even higher than my interview with Seb and episode eight. 128 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,160 I was surprised as anyone because the ecosystem was even though it was the most fun, it was 129 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,920 kind of can be maybe not something everyone wants to pay attention to, but apparently 130 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,240 they do. 131 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,480 And then my third one was, so my second highest viewed episode was Sebastian Bourget, the 132 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,760 co-founder and COO of Sandbox. 133 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:55,320 My third highest was the Community Reaction part one, so very first episode with Andy 134 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:56,320 Rich in Hottle Hill. 135 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,840 Just trying to figure out what the heck the Dow was May 28th when it started. 136 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:06,080 And my fourth episode, surprising me out of everyone really, was episode 34, which was 137 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,280 the birth of the Sandbox Dow. 138 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:14,600 It was a very long one, but it pretty much kind of showed the relationships and how the 139 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:20,160 Dow came to be in terms of timeline, like which faces did what to bring the Dow online 140 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:29,360 and culminated in the relationship map, which looks a little bit like, a little bit like 141 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,000 this one right here. 142 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,000 So I started out there and it's kind of the unveiling of that. 143 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:44,440 But that was a pretty, that was a critical one, somewhat critical one of the Dow because 144 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,120 I had to do all that work myself. 145 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:52,360 And at the time I wasn't getting much information from the Dow admin team, so I had to do it 146 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,360 myself. 147 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,920 So that was the height of my criticism, I'd say, against the Dow before Kunta came online 148 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,880 and started really repairing relationships and opening the Dow up. 149 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:08,080 And then episode 30, one of my newer ones was with Tuche, who when he announced that 150 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:13,520 he was withdrawing, just taking a step back, was able to secure an exit interview with 151 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,160 them, let's call it. 152 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,640 And I hope one day he returns. 153 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,640 Alright, let's go back to the video. 154 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:24,040 Is an interview with Tuche after he took a step from the Sandbox back in October. 155 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:29,760 We've come a long way since episode one, and I would appreciate your yes vote on SIP number 156 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,760 19, finding an educational news podcast about the Sandbox Dow. 157 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Thanks, San Fam. 158 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,560 Actually, it was SIP 18. 159 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:42,400 The reason why it says SIP 19, just like my other one said, SIP 17, it just said 16, 160 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:48,240 is because when the actual SIP went online at first, they told me it was SIP 19. 161 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,680 And then because one of SIP 18, whatever it was supposed to be, didn't go through, they 162 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:55,700 ended up pumping it to SIP 18. 163 00:11:55,700 --> 00:12:01,800 So by this time, I'd already made the video and voting had started happening. 164 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:09,560 Anyways, so that is the little short two minute video I put out to everyone to say, hey, please, 165 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:12,760 please vote, vote. 166 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,600 And they did. 167 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,320 Let's go to the proposal details. 168 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:23,040 We're just going to go this one pretty, pretty fast because it's all after the fact now. 169 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:28,600 Okay, so you can see the results right here at the top. 170 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:36,080 No, after 14 days, the no carried the yes vote at 57%. 171 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:42,360 The no carried the final vote at 57%, 22.6 million no. 172 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,880 Yes vote came in at 42%, 16.9 million. 173 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:52,780 Only 0.18% abstained or 71,000. 174 00:12:52,780 --> 00:12:56,160 Voting started December 24th, it ended January 8th. 175 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:02,400 Alright, so the SIP 18 was to finance 15 episodes of the Sandow podcast. 176 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,480 You'll notice right away the council recommendation is negative. 177 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,200 I am not the first one to receive a negative. 178 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:13,600 I think five other SIPs, about five other SIPs have received a negative. 179 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,840 The description read, the council does not support funding this proposal due to concerns 180 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,440 about cost efficiency and performance relative to existing initiatives. 181 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:28,080 The Sandow podcast budget request of 1000 per episode is significantly higher than the 182 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:34,640 production costs of the sandbox dials digging in the sand, its podcast, which is produced 183 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,320 for less than 400 per episode. 184 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:42,840 Additionally, performance data shows that 48 of the 50 Sandow podcast episodes have 185 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,400 achieved fewer views in the last three episodes of DITS, which garnered an average of 106 186 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,680 views per episode on YouTube total of 317. 187 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:55,160 While the Sandow podcast has made notable contributions to the community, this proposal 188 00:13:55,160 --> 00:14:00,360 lacks evidence of scalability or a clear plan to deliver superior results compared to existing 189 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,360 dial supportive initiatives. 190 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:06,480 I'm going to skip ahead a little bit because I knew this. 191 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,900 I knew that there was going to get negative during separation. 192 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:16,120 The old process before they went to the new one, you knew what you're, what you were going 193 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,120 to get. 194 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,680 So they had told me that I was going to get a negative recommendation and they asked me 195 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,620 if I wanted to continue with the process knowing that. 196 00:14:24,620 --> 00:14:28,760 One SIP author once upon a time said, no, that's why there's one withdrawn and on the 197 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:29,760 scoreboard. 198 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:35,360 I said, yes, I was confident that the community saw the value in Sandow podcast. 199 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:42,720 So I wrote up a short little blurb in the problem description to address that directly. 200 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:51,080 And here's what I wrote back and in response. 201 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,720 DITS has the advantage, Dating in the Sand podcast, which is official Sandbox style podcast 202 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,880 has the advantage of Sandbox branding. 203 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,920 Sandow has received little to no reposting from the Sandbox account and was forced to 204 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,760 build everything from scratch. 205 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,320 The highest Sandbox style video has 215 views. 206 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Sandow's highest is only 25 views less than that. 207 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:16,000 Sandow streams episodes live to Twitch and has exceeded 20 plus live viewers about four 208 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:21,000 times and about 10 plus live viewers 15 times. 209 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,640 Scalability will be achieved by expanding the team to reach audiences not yet accessed. 210 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:31,520 $1,000 per episode supports editors, editors living, excuse me. 211 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:36,800 The $1,000 per episode supports editors earning a livable wage interpreters for international 212 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:43,600 guests such as Sebga, French, who spoke French and need an interpreter for him. 213 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:49,440 Episode number 38 or Meta Futura, which was an Italian guest and the interpreter for and 214 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,880 that was episode 24 and other experiences near necessary to operate a business. 215 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:55,880 That was my response to them. 216 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,400 What something I didn't and I wasn't trying to pick a fight, but something that I didn't 217 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:08,160 know was that the $400 per episode is likely well below what is actually being paid because 218 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:14,880 there's full time staff on Diggin' in the Sand podcast and you know, 400 per episode 219 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,400 is seems far, far too low. 220 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:23,240 And also they're counting every episode on the Diggin' in the Sand podcast to include 221 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,960 the non podcast episodes. 222 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,440 And that's how they get this average of 106 views per episode. 223 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,160 If you don't count them, it's much closer to like 50. 224 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:40,920 So yeah, it's unfortunate that they worded it like this because the numbers are off to 225 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:48,120 a degree that I would consider significant and it set the stage for what happened next. 226 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,520 Alright, so we're going to keep going. 227 00:16:51,520 --> 00:17:01,400 I had the little I started with the thumbnail of Seb episode eight and here's the what. 228 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,640 This proposal seeks funding for the production of 15 episodes of the Sandow podcast. 229 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,920 These episodes aim to expand the reach and quality of the podcast by improving audio 230 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:15,400 visual production and diversifying the content with a new social media format. 231 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:21,000 The project plans to scale the podcast distribution to eight new platforms, including TikTok, 232 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:26,880 Tube Shorts, and Dora to broaden its audience and increase engagement across multiple channels. 233 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:27,880 Why? 234 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:34,160 The Sandow podcast has successfully contributed to the Sandbox ecosystem by offering in-depth 235 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,280 discussions with SIPP authors, Dow delegates, the Sandbox team members. 236 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,520 To further strengthen the SandboxDow community, there is a need for increased professional 237 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:50,920 production quality and wider distribution to address gaps in engagement and participation. 238 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:56,280 By improving the podcast format and expand its presence, it aims to address current challenges 239 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:02,160 like low Dow voting participation and send fam sentiment toward the Dow, which at the 240 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,600 time was dismal. 241 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:12,720 I wrote this SIPP five or six months ago back in about July timeframe and it was rough. 242 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,360 It was really, really rough. 243 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:18,800 And I, you can look at episode 31 and 34. 244 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,240 I go over that quite a bit in Birth of SandboxDow. 245 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:27,280 I already talked about that earlier with this episode where the height of my criticism was 246 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,760 not a lot of transparency. 247 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:35,400 And go look also at SandboxDow's official podcast. 248 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,480 It's episode one where they screen share all 300, 200 survey results. 249 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,080 And it's just, we don't feel like we're being heard. 250 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,080 There's not enough transparency. 251 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,480 It was rushed. 252 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:54,000 And then Cyril and Kunta go through, they address those questions and results and really 253 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,720 provide the transparency that we're looking for. 254 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,000 So really good on them. 255 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,240 Okay. 256 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,920 And then I'll just kind of skim through the rest of this. 257 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:02,920 So how are we going to do it? 258 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,580 We're going to hire additional team members, including an assistant, a source creator to 259 00:19:06,580 --> 00:19:11,320 reach audiences that I haven't been reaching and create some of that bite-sized content. 260 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:16,080 I already did have someone start creating that, just kind of leaning forward. 261 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,640 And so it's going to come out of my pocket now because we didn't ultimately get funded. 262 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,880 But I do have a couple TikToks, Reels, and YouTube shorts that are going to come out 263 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,440 of this regardless. 264 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,840 And kind of reach a larger audience. 265 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:38,720 That way it balances my long-form content with short-term content. 266 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,600 Okay. 267 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:47,520 And me, I'm the one that runs the podcast, as I already introduced myself. 268 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,000 We're a trusted partner of Sandbox. 269 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,280 We've been involved since 2021. 270 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,800 And I already mentioned Floor Droppers. 271 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,240 There's the rest of the team. 272 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,640 Here was a little thumbnail, put together what I would do with the funding. 273 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:08,600 I was going to bring on more guests, do some deeper analyses into all sorts of things like 274 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:09,600 the Constitution. 275 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,840 And then here are all the extra platforms, which as I responded to one message in the 276 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,480 forums comes with the RSS.com package. 277 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,160 It's manual, so I didn't have the time to do it all by myself. 278 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:27,400 Hence the podcast assistant that we were going to pay for to go through all the peculiarities 279 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:33,520 of Pandora and YouTube shorts and Deezer and iHeartRadio and all the different stuff they 280 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,640 needed. 281 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:46,760 This one I already showed earlier is the high amount of viewers that we got. 282 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:47,760 Who read that? 283 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,200 Roxy, what were you referring to? 284 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,920 Who read what? 285 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,960 And then the sub-details, it's really an expounded on the TLDR. 286 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,640 It just addresses need for better communication. 287 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:08,000 We've contributed valuable content so far, everything from interviews to analyses. 288 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,800 We covered all the news events, like when the SIP process changed. 289 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:18,920 We went over, here's the changes, and then we went through a dry run, a rehearsal of 290 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,120 the actual application itself. 291 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:28,480 I've interviewed advisory board members, special counsel, and community members. 292 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:36,280 We've covered the whole gamut of the Dao, and we paid for it ourselves, so it was free 293 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,040 to everyone else. 294 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:45,800 We ended up producing 54, 50 or 54 episodes in five months. 295 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:51,680 We just went over this one. 296 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,280 And Ditz, the Diggin' in the Sand podcast, has been around for about a month now, whereas 297 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:02,360 Sandow has been around for somewhere closer to five, six months. 298 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:08,360 And then the proposed solution was to do 50 more episodes, but increase the quality, increase 299 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:11,840 the team to do a better job. 300 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,840 Here's some stats. 301 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,760 And it's the same thumbnail that I referenced in the beginning video. 302 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:25,680 All this 39 episodes in five months, it ended up being something closer to 50. 303 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,880 By the time I actually get to today, this was written a while ago, so I had to continually 304 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,200 update it until it got to vote. 305 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,000 And available on many different platforms, 16 guests answering 180 questions. 306 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:43,360 I think I'm up to something like 30 guests now, and something closer to 300 or 400 questions. 307 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:50,420 A lot of hundreds of hours of watched content, thousands of likes, retweets, episode downloaded 308 00:22:50,420 --> 00:22:56,440 a few hundred times, and I've been doing this since 2016. 309 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,040 There's some milestones that were proposed and agreed upon from the team, myself and 310 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:06,960 the DAO admin team, and some stipulations. 311 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,920 Budget breakdown. 312 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,120 It was, here's the team, the material costs and all that. 313 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:18,720 I wasn't asking for any money to reimburse on stuff I already bought, like this microphone 314 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,240 right here, and this nice little set behind me. 315 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,640 I wasn't asking for anything like that. 316 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:30,240 That was all future things like premium accounts for XYZ that got me a lot more usability and 317 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,460 functionality. 318 00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:35,800 Things that I felt I needed to really do a good job. 319 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:41,360 And previous episodes, we've covered everyone from special counselor, advisory board, delegates, 320 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:48,560 landowners and voting, news and landowner interviews, SIP authors and SIP demos even, 321 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,720 community reactions. 322 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,720 Risk analysis. 323 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,800 I mean, it was very, very, very low. 324 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,240 Low threat risk analysis. 325 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,640 Here is an example of the demo we did with Pepe for Sandow 15. 326 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,520 It was a three part episode where we showcased what Magic Palette did. 327 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,520 Really cool. 328 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,520 I love it. 329 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,280 Really looking forward to it. 330 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,360 And with 50 episodes already published, we provide in-depth insight into many, many different 331 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,120 things. 332 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:21,520 And the only Achilles heel of this show is that it's very long form. 333 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,880 So I tend to present everything I have. 334 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,960 And so the episodes that I was going to fund were really going to cut down on that to something 335 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,440 that I couldn't, I didn't have the time to do myself, which was the editing. 336 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,160 It already takes five hours to prepare and there's only so much I'm willing to spend 337 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,040 per day to produce free content. 338 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,880 So this was to bring on the team needed to really make it digestible. 339 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:56,320 Cut down a 40 minute episode down to two or three, one or two minute videos. 340 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,400 That's something I did for episode 30 and I'll post that now because it's already paid 341 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,400 for it. 342 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:09,120 Just, yep, I was preparing the team to do that. 343 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:14,160 And then all sorts of stuff about potential and brand identity and connections and here's 344 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,540 the team and there's the end of it. 345 00:25:17,540 --> 00:25:23,440 So that was a all in all pretty straightforward podcasts. 346 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,440 Everyone already kind of knows what it is that I do. 347 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:33,500 And I wanted funding for 15 more episodes at 1000 an episode or about 15,000. 348 00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:39,000 And my secret plan was to stretch that out to something like 20 or 25 episodes. 349 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,800 I was already talking with the vendors and the freelancers that I was working with to 350 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:51,800 have more bulk discount deals, but I hadn't secured that by the time this went to vote. 351 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,640 I only had their public rates that you get off Fiverr and Upwork. 352 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,180 So I didn't want to promise something I couldn't deliver on. 353 00:26:00,180 --> 00:26:04,520 So I left it at 1000 per episode. 354 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,520 That doesn't matter now, but that's what was going to happen. 355 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,600 Okay, so let's go into the results. 356 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,240 So here's the voting mixture. 357 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,840 Right off the bat you see, oops, there we go. 358 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,400 Right off the bat you see the big one. 359 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,480 Well Vault.eth 7.6 million voting power. 360 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,560 And we'll get into that one last. 361 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,400 Is that right there is the story. 362 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,600 But rest of the delegates all voted their conscience, all voted yes, no based on many, 363 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,440 many different variables. 364 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,400 They each gave really, really insightful feedback. 365 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:54,120 Like that was the winning thing out of all this was just how involved the delegates were. 366 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:58,240 And I felt like they gave me their fair consideration. 367 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,240 And each one had a different reason for voting yes or no. 368 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,360 They kind of split down the middle voting yes or no. 369 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:08,480 Almost half yes, half no. 370 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,520 And each one said something different. 371 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,280 We'll get into the forum here a little bit later. 372 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:23,800 But we'll just click through these real fast. 373 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:30,840 Hit pause if you are interested in reading the full message. 374 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:38,440 You can see that some of them are citing yes or no based on talking to different community 375 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,440 members. 376 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,200 Some of them are citing yes and no based on the cost. 377 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,280 Some of them say it's too expensive. 378 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,480 Some of them say it's a deal, it's a bargain. 379 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:59,320 And some of them say that, well, I don't support because the council doesn't support. 380 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:07,320 Each one had a different reason and that was really cool to see. 381 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:13,120 It felt like each person really did give this fair consideration. 382 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:17,200 Some of them mentioned, like you just read there, that it wouldn't be fair to other streamers 383 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,520 just singling out Sandel Podcast. 384 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:22,920 Roxy's in the chat right now. 385 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,920 This one's Roxy's. 386 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,680 And go look at Sandel Podcast 54 from a few days ago. 387 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:36,960 We finally got to interview Roxy Miguel as a delegate and we briefly went over that. 388 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,600 And then our last delegate. 389 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,800 So they had a wide, wide range of opinions, very wide. 390 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,800 And that was cool. 391 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,960 That told me the system was working as intended. 392 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,720 So I didn't fault anyone at all for their yes no vote at that point. 393 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,760 It was up to me to make the case. 394 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,240 So it was pretty much split down the middle. 395 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,120 However, what was not split down the middle was well vault.Eath. 396 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:14,480 Now well vault, I have, I've, I talked about them, I talked about them before on the Sandel 397 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,800 Podcast. 398 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:23,600 At the end of every episode, we have the spaces and the spaces talk about the different places 399 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,880 that Sandfam gathers. 400 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,400 Well, where does Sandfam gather? 401 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,840 One of them is Natively Digital right there. 402 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:32,840 Well members. 403 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,680 So they've been around for quite some time. 404 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:43,760 And let's go to the map. 405 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,760 And they are a major investor in the sandbox. 406 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:53,920 They own about 1600 lands, which is 7 million voting power. 407 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,320 So you can find them down in the bottom right next to Atari, all that. 408 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,800 They're pretty big. 409 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:07,520 So we're going to get into that little story right now because that story is a lesson. 410 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,040 You know, and I'll let you decide whether it's a good or bad lesson. 411 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,200 It has, it has both. 412 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,520 Okay. 413 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,960 So let's, we're going to get, we're going to get into this, but you know what? 414 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,920 I realized I already talked about it in the forums. 415 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,480 So we're going to find that post and then there it is. 416 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,480 Big update. 417 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,480 All right. 418 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,400 So here, here's how this went down. 419 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:41,380 The reason why Sandel Podcast SIP failed was because of the 7.6 million votes that went 420 00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:51,720 to no by the, by, by whale Dow, which is the, which was the body behind whale vault, but 421 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,640 it's actually controlled by the whale council. 422 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,640 We'll get into that. 423 00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:00,760 So the big thing to know here is that they have 7.6 million voting power. 424 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:13,920 And if you had, if you subtract 22.6 minus 7.6, you get 15. 425 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:20,160 So the yes, 16.9 can't see what I'm right here. 426 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:28,360 The yes, the 16.9 would have won had it not been for the 7.6 million vote. 427 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,480 No by well wall. 428 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,520 But let's get into reason why, because the reason why is far more important than the 429 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,800 actual than what actually just the math of it. 430 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,260 I am completely to blame here. 431 00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:48,800 And the reason why I'm completely to blame is because back in Magic Palette, so SIP number 432 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,720 six, this one right here was Pepe. 433 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,680 It was largely, it was almost universally accepted. 434 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,780 Everyone supported it, that sort of thing. 435 00:31:56,780 --> 00:32:00,280 One of the back then, Quorum was really hard to maintain. 436 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,960 See that right there, 103%. 437 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,320 He barely got it. 438 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:11,700 And we were almost every 50% of the SIPs were getting rejected because we didn't have Quorum. 439 00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:15,720 So one of the big voters, we were all trying to find out who can we ask to get votes. 440 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,800 One of the big voters was well vault. 441 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,500 No one really knew much about him, that sort of thing. 442 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:24,240 So Pepe reached out to well vault. 443 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:31,640 And I interviewed him a number of times, he's, I think my most interviewed SIP author at 444 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,720 this point. 445 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:39,560 But well vault ultimately said no to Pepe because they were concerned about wallet security. 446 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,200 And they're connecting their 1500 lands to snapshot and then something bad happening. 447 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:50,680 All right, so he gets to know, I joined well members to support him because we all want 448 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,480 Magic Palette to pass, but I quickly learned that they're not going to come off that rationale. 449 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,480 It makes sense. 450 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,840 So I wasn't going to try and convince them after that. 451 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:06,080 And at the same time, I interviewed Arthmort, who for SIP number eight was trying to become 452 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,600 the curator for the Sandbox Dalles future artwork collection. 453 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,600 Okay. 454 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,080 That's okay, that's okay. 455 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,240 I know very little about the art world. 456 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,760 So I am, I'm learning here. 457 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:24,920 So Providence is a word and it talks about lineage like aura and ancestry and that's 458 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,480 what gives it value is its history and its connection to lineage. 459 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,480 Yes. 460 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,480 Exactly. 461 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,000 And sometimes a more broader example is when celebrities are somehow. 462 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,200 So that, I knew nothing, I knew nothing about art and that really piqued my interest. 463 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:47,480 And it just happened to coincide with me going to well members who is very artwork centric. 464 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,240 Like well members, first and foremost are a bunch of art enthusiasts. 465 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,840 So I stayed because they were, I wanted to learn more about art. 466 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,160 I wanted to figure out like, what was this all about? 467 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:05,680 You know, ordinals and you know, what, what was the value of cool artwork on the blockchain, 468 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,440 that sort of stuff. 469 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:13,200 It didn't change until a month or two later at the end of September when the whale council, 470 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:19,880 who is the people leadership of whale members announced the start of their, their Dow. 471 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,400 And that would be this one here, the whale Dow, which is an omniversal members club that 472 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,120 unites, excites, and engages its members on the longterm digital renaissance of art and 473 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,120 culture. 474 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,120 Okay, cool. 475 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,760 That's awesome. 476 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,480 So they announced their Dow that same day. 477 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:42,280 I'm, I am so excited when I see that I become the most excitable eager beaver of all time 478 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,240 and I, I write a sip up a sip. 479 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:49,200 I write a, a whale improvement proposal. 480 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,360 They call it wavy. 481 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,480 I wrote up its first proposal that same day. 482 00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:00,640 I submitted it and the proposal basically said to establish a structured approach for 483 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,960 whale vault dot ETH to vote in the sandbox Dow. 484 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,540 At the time we were still struggling with quorum. 485 00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:09,040 So I really, really wanted to solve the quorum problem. 486 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,000 That was my first and foremost right there. 487 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,560 Solve the quorum problem. 488 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,240 All right. 489 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:22,600 That proposal passed with a hundred percent of the vote, 31 people voted for it, 2.2 million. 490 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,600 Yes. 491 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,600 All right. 492 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,760 All it did was say, we want whale vault to vote with its 7 million voting power in the 493 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,720 sandbox Dow. 494 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:37,040 And at the time we had failed 50% of our sips. 495 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,880 So at the eight sips at the time I wrote this, four of them had failed. 496 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,120 Quorum was a big deal at that part. 497 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,240 And the process was very, very simple. 498 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:52,240 It was, they were going to create a sip discord channel and three days later the proposal, 499 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:58,160 within the three days of this proposal passing, and then whenever a sip was going to post 500 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:05,160 to snapshot, I would then copy paste the TLDR section to the whale discord and discussion 501 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,800 wouldn't sue for seven days. 502 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,400 At the end of those seven days, whale council then decides what their vote's going to be, 503 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,300 having taken any community sentiment and reactions. 504 00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:17,760 And then by the ninth day, they issue their vote. 505 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,960 And then there's a contingency, should it not. 506 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:26,200 After that, it's a zero dollar sip, or dang it, a zero dollar proposal, very simple. 507 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,800 And yeah, it passes. 508 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,880 Cool. 509 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:38,760 So when it passes, it was originally structured to operate the same way SebDow was, which 510 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:46,760 is just copy the proposal and then whatever was on snapshot gets reflected into our sandbox 511 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,240 style sip. 512 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:56,080 But I was, I was convinced to do what I just described to you with the discord, emoji reaction 513 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,160 discussion way. 514 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:06,080 And so I was persuaded to change it and I did the TLDR emoji reaction thing and all 515 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,080 of that. 516 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,160 So it gets implemented, SIP 16 and 17 are underway. 517 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,240 And so we use that as a test case. 518 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:20,520 The timing didn't work out, so we, we weren't able to, they weren't able to vote on it, 519 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:27,000 but they were able to, they were able to vote for the next sip, which was sip 18, which 520 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,080 was Sandow podcast. 521 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,760 I promise I did not time it like that. 522 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:37,720 The Sandow podcast sip was written back in July and it took many, many months of curation 523 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:38,720 to get us there. 524 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,160 I had no control over when it was going to go to vote. 525 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,280 It just so happened that happened to be the first one that they could really vote on, 526 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,580 unfortunately for me. 527 00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:49,400 So I do the saying, I do the thing. 528 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,240 I copy paste what I was supposed to. 529 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,240 Here's the TLDR. 530 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,420 As you can see, I left my personal opinion out. 531 00:37:55,420 --> 00:38:00,480 I did not say whether or not they should or shouldn't vote in the actual notification. 532 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,040 All I did was just copy paste. 533 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,560 I did notify them. 534 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,000 I am the author of this one. 535 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,320 So I self disclose and then here's the discussion link. 536 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:15,040 And as you can see, there was a, an obvious yes vote that was, that was accrued and there 537 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,740 wasn't a lot of discussion had after that. 538 00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:26,280 So when that happened, when that happened, that was new year's day, the seven discussion, 539 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,600 the seven day discussion window closes and I submit the results to the whale council 540 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,440 and well, those are results. 541 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,200 Five yeses, one abstain, zero nos. 542 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,600 And it might show one no there and two abstains, but because I'm, I'm the post officer here, 543 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,120 I had to click one and I wasn't voting abstain or no. 544 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,120 So we minus one from each of those. 545 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,000 It's five yes, one abstain, zero no. 546 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,600 And so I dev, I evolved that too, just to make sure everyone cannot accuse me of being, 547 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,400 being unfair or whatever. 548 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,560 So it was a majority yes. 549 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,280 But there wasn't much discussion those seven days. 550 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:12,040 I think I might've got a thumbs up on one of the chats to say, Hey, cool. 551 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,040 Thanks for posting. 552 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,920 But there was no discussion. 553 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,800 But then at the end of the seven days, the whale council response that they chose to 554 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,400 vote no, they chose to vote no. 555 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,400 And they, at the time they cited the special council's negative recommendation and also 556 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:36,440 they referenced some of the negative, some of the no rationales of other voters in the 557 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,360 discourse discussion thread. 558 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:46,320 I am surprised and upset because as SIPP author, as the author of the proposal that generated 559 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,320 this process, I know that that emoji process was an important part. 560 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,360 It was the only metric that we had to say actually how many people supported the discussions 561 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,840 were just that as people talking to, which there weren't any. 562 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,500 So I had nothing else to go off of except that. 563 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:10,560 And so the whale council decided to vote no for, for reasons as they explained. 564 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,220 I didn't know those reasons beforehand. 565 00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:14,000 I didn't know that they were going to vote no. 566 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,920 I didn't know that they, they, they thought that way. 567 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:23,800 So I was surprised and that effectively tanked the proposal right there. 568 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,840 7.6 million in the negative. 569 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,060 And all I could do at that point was just reiterate, I think it's worthwhile. 570 00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:36,200 It's literally 0.3% of the $4 million budget, $15,000. 571 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,200 $15,000. 572 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,200 Okay. 573 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,480 And I've already published 54 episodes. 574 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,260 So we, we know I'm going to do more. 575 00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:45,120 We know that. 576 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,000 And I've demonstrated my commitment. 577 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000 I'm homegrown. 578 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,000 I'm independent. 579 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,160 I don't answer to the special counsel or anyone else. 580 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:56,740 I am, I'm able to produce content that is fair and has integrity. 581 00:40:56,740 --> 00:41:05,400 So I asked for the yes vote and wasn't able to overturn that no vote and the sip failed. 582 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,540 So that right there is, are the results. 583 00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:10,540 That's going through everything. 584 00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:12,280 It was a very sad moment for me. 585 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,520 It's very, very sad. 586 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,920 And at the end of the day, I feel, you know, I'm going to survive. 587 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,920 We're going to be fine. 588 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,280 Sandel podcast is going to change. 589 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,920 And as you see in the discussion forums here soon, we're going to change and we're going 590 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,800 to scale down our operations because I've been paying for all of this myself. 591 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,240 So I'm not going to continue paying for it in the same way. 592 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,520 So that those are the results. 593 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,040 Very disappointing, very sad. 594 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:45,000 But ultimately I understand a lot of people, so many people gave me their rationale. 595 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,280 And even if I didn't agree, I did get why they voted no. 596 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,920 And I understood. 597 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,200 Makes sense. 598 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,720 So let's get into the forum discussion. 599 00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,720 So the forum discussion was fascinating. 600 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:07,120 The most interesting part about all of this was that, here it is. 601 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:13,800 One of the most responded to in the whole Dow, because it drew in everybody and all 602 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,240 of their interests. 603 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:22,200 And you'll see why here in a second had 105, 105 people responded to it. 604 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,040 Awesome. 605 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,360 It was great discussions. 606 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,360 Okay. 607 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,600 So all here, here's the sip. 608 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,600 We already went over that. 609 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,600 All right. 610 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:36,600 So I started off with, uh, intern starts off with great to see it. 611 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:42,280 I've seen quite a number and then gives me some of his concerns. 612 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,400 I say, yep, absolutely. 613 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,200 And I, we talked through those concerns. 614 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:53,040 Most of his concerns were that I wasn't able, I didn't reprice it in USD and that viewership 615 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,960 is low and reducing the episode's duration being long form. 616 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,960 Okay. 617 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,960 So I ended up addressing that pretty early. 618 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:05,240 I figured out a new way to make it easier to, and shorter by, by taking some things 619 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,400 out of the, out of my normal podcast and which we'll get into that later. 620 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,680 What is the way forward? 621 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:17,640 And then we start talking, we start talking and Kurt Rado KCL talks about how the format's 622 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:18,640 too long. 623 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,040 A number of episodes is kind of overwhelming and it's not really proven. 624 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:29,160 It doesn't reach enough people and, uh, clarify some things. 625 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,720 So we go through that. 626 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:34,080 All right. 627 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:42,480 And I kind of explain here that professionalizing it means that, that paying some money more 628 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,720 than what I can pay for by myself. 629 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:48,840 I can't pay 15,000 more for this podcast. 630 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,220 And we, we turn professional by paying professional teammates to take work off my plate to do things 631 00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:55,160 better than I can. 632 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,400 And yep. 633 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,040 And if not, if we can't get funded, then the current level of quality is all I have time 634 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,680 and money to do by myself. 635 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:14,920 And then more discussion comes about, um, talking through, um, HMAD talks about how 636 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,960 instead of reducing its budget, we should explore ways to grow the listenership. 637 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:18,960 Cool. 638 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,200 So we're, we're already starting to see some, some discussions take hold about, well, is 639 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,320 this really good to, to fund when it's too long to digest and it doesn't reach enough 640 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:35,640 people and it's not expensive per episode, which based on my research, it's not. 641 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:42,000 If you Google how much is a podcast actually, um, what is the average cost of a podcast? 642 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,760 And that's one of the responses. 643 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,320 It's a thousand is on the lower end, unless you're bootstrapping like I was in case you 644 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,240 could get out the door for almost for free. 645 00:44:51,240 --> 00:45:03,360 Um, so talk about cross-referencing and yeah, how I got this idea, I think it was episode 646 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,000 like 20 something where I started putting in cross references of episodes that I've 647 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,080 already done. 648 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,880 So for this episode 34, I was talking about the Dow relationship map. 649 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,000 And then when I got to the ecosystem, I would say, Hey, go, go look at episode 31 for the 650 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,160 whole ecosystem thing. 651 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,440 Here's a synopsis. 652 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,280 And then when we got to episode, sips number one, two and three, I covered that in episode 653 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,280 33. 654 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,480 So I started doing a lot of cross cross-referencing. 655 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,800 Um, the episodes really start building on themselves and I'm, I'm in, I'm in the stride by then. 656 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,800 Okay. 657 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,680 We're start talking about cross-referencing still. 658 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,960 And that's where we started talking about how I'm going to, I'm going to start introducing 659 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,200 bite-sized content. 660 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:46,400 So the Schwartz creator, adding that person to the team here is the vote for vote vote 661 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,240 for the SIP that we looked at the very, very beginning. 662 00:45:52,240 --> 00:46:00,480 And one of the delegates talks about how the viewership is limited, the breach is limited. 663 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:08,120 And I talk about how at the height of 2021 Sam sandbox podcast, sandbox videos, we're 664 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,960 getting about a thousand a day. 665 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:16,520 But nowadays if you go YouTube search sandbox videos, most are getting a hundred maybe. 666 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,240 And so the real, the real story was its engagement on Twitch and Twitter, which thousands of 667 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,560 reposts and a couple dozen live viewers. 668 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,640 And that, that was really, really cool. 669 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,120 Yeah. 670 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,320 Roxy said in chat that it backfired on me. 671 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,760 It absolutely backfired on me. 672 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,000 It's so backfired on me. 673 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,000 The whale vote, the whale vault was the whale members were not obligated to vote yes for 674 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,200 me just because I was giving them TLDRs. 675 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:48,120 I didn't ask them to, I went out of my way to ensure that I didn't, I didn't use that 676 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:54,480 official TLDR message to influence the vote. 677 00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,200 I certainly have my own, I certainly advocated for myself in the discussion part where I 678 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,720 could use my, I could talk my personal opinion, but, but not the official notification. 679 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,280 So but yeah, you're right. 680 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,280 It totally backfired. 681 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,760 They ended up voting for the first time ever. 682 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,560 And yep, it went, it went, no, it went bad for me. 683 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:29,820 So the whale proposal, Roxy says that they are to vote every, every sip from now on. 684 00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:33,480 So we'll see how they're, how they vote going forward. 685 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:39,560 All right, and more discussions about viewership. 686 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,320 And this is where I addressed the council's negative recommendation. 687 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,600 So the council's recommendation, I already read it. 688 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:53,120 And then I read my, I already read my, my section or talk about how Sandow has received 689 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,680 little to no reposting until Kunta came. 690 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,440 When Kunta came as the new communications manager, he and I started referencing each 691 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,720 other a lot more because he and I agreed that we're not in competition with each other. 692 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:05,460 This is not a competition. 693 00:48:05,460 --> 00:48:07,480 We are growing the pie together. 694 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,120 I bring in long form content, deep analysis, deeply researched. 695 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:17,560 He brings in the, the official name and he's able to see it internal and bring them out 696 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,880 to give them a proper space to discuss their rationale. 697 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:22,880 And they've been doing that. 698 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,880 And it's been awesome. 699 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,880 My podcast isn't centered around that sort of stuff. 700 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,280 It's centered around ecosystem things. 701 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,800 So and then, and then also we're very comparable. 702 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,760 Like their highest video and my highest video, I was only 25 views less than that. 703 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,840 That's a, that's, that's tiny, very, very tiny. 704 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,120 It's very small gap. 705 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,920 And man, the Twitch support is just phenomenal. 706 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,320 Like right now, thank you Roxy for participating. 707 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,480 Twitch support has been phenomenal. 708 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,980 That to me was the real story. 709 00:48:57,980 --> 00:49:01,860 Like we've been a Twitch community for quite some time. 710 00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:04,720 So it was so cool to see that. 711 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:07,720 And then, and then I addressed the thousand bucks per episode. 712 00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:09,360 Oh yeah. 713 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,400 Anyways, I didn't think that the 400 bucks per episode really accounted for all of, all 714 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,040 of everyone's time and effort. 715 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:24,600 And when I looked on Upwork and Fiverr, they charge very reasonable rates and that, I mean, 716 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:30,800 I couldn't, I didn't want to lose money, you know, I want to actually pay them, ask the 717 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,920 SIP dollar for what I could pay. 718 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,800 And then, oh yeah, like I said, we compliment each other. 719 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,080 We're, we're not in competition. 720 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,640 And at the end of the day, it's 0.3% man. 721 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:48,080 $15,000 on a 15.5 million San budget. 722 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:54,800 That's about anywhere from four to $8 million USD, depending on what the trading, what the 723 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,160 exchange rate is of sand. 724 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,920 Very small, very small. 725 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:07,560 And then talk about more stuff about relevancy. 726 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:13,400 This, this one, I was really, this one resonated with me. 727 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,960 Crypto Diplo's post here really resonated with me. 728 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:23,280 I, I choose my words carefully here. 729 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,160 The early days of the Dow were what they were. 730 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:32,760 It's well documented on this podcast exactly what and why and how that all happened and 731 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,520 what my opinion is of it. 732 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:43,760 I agree that I have a fundamentally different viewpoint than, than the sandbox special counsel 733 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,580 and the Dow itself. 734 00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:50,960 And I have been a strong advocate for transparency, disclosure and decentralization. 735 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:57,760 And right now the Dow is undergoing a transition from kind of a centralization approach to 736 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,280 more progressively decentralized. 737 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,280 And we're getting there. 738 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,040 But in the early days, it didn't seem like we were getting there fast enough. 739 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,320 And it seemed like we were, we weren't sure what was going on. 740 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:17,720 So anyways, I really appreciated this comment because I felt like it, it represented my, 741 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:18,720 my viewpoint. 742 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:23,640 And in many cases, I wouldn't exactly say that I think we should disregard their, their 743 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,000 viewpoint. 744 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:32,040 But we, we know, we've known for a long time that the special counsel has not exactly been 745 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,920 keeping up with the day to day of the Dow. 746 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,720 So their negative opinion, their negative recommendation isn't necessarily informed 747 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:43,520 by what I would say. 748 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:49,160 People who understand the nuances of, of our Dow. 749 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,480 And that's because they're very good reasons. 750 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,660 They have lives, they have things they're doing. 751 00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:57,000 They are running, some of them are running humongous multinational corporations. 752 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,280 Like, I get it. 753 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,100 They have other things they're doing, but they issued a negative recommendation and 754 00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:06,280 I feel like it was not telling the complete picture. 755 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:14,280 So also that part there, I have been critical of the Dow early on, and I'm sure they did 756 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,060 not earn me a lot of friends within the Dow itself. 757 00:52:17,060 --> 00:52:21,380 I think I've since, I've since apologized to Cyril for, for not giving him more grace 758 00:52:21,380 --> 00:52:23,960 and patience and that sort of thing. 759 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,880 I'm pretty sure the relationship between myself and the Dow admin team is repaired to the 760 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,180 extent that it can be. 761 00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:35,960 But I'm sure I did not earn a ton of friends when I was, when I was critical of the Dow 762 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:42,000 and what I saw were contradictions and, and things that just weren't adding up. 763 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,800 I've since changed my opinion big time. 764 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:53,760 CUNTA has really done the world, done us so good with transparency and really giving Cyril 765 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,960 and the Dow admin team a place to discuss. 766 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,480 And that, that's really appreciated. 767 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:00,800 So appreciated. 768 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,480 Look at a few, I've covered all other episodes at this point. 769 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,080 Just look at a few episodes back and you'll see all the episodes that I've covered for 770 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,160 them, especially episode one. 771 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,760 Episode one is the big one. 772 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,760 Okay. 773 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:23,440 And then more talk about, yeah, here's CUNTA saying exactly what he and I have been, what 774 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:31,480 he and I have been saying for a while now, we are not in, we are not in competition with 775 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:32,480 each other. 776 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,960 We, we are trying to build the ecosystem together. 777 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:43,720 And CUNTA has, has never, that I, that I know of, he has never tried to pit me against anyone. 778 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:47,200 He's not taken away from me in that regard at all. 779 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:52,260 And he's just been a good partner to, you know, the Sandow podcast and the Sandbox Dow 780 00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:54,760 Digging in the Sand podcast. 781 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,480 And we, we compliment each other and we don't have to be the same thing. 782 00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,480 And it's okay. 783 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:00,900 We can both exist. 784 00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:05,680 So he has remained wholly neutral and he did not give me any unfair competitive advantages 785 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:06,680 or anything like that. 786 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,840 So yeah, I really appreciated the way he handled it. 787 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:18,800 And here's his response to Crypto Diplo talking about the mistrust that he saw there. 788 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:25,440 And I agree with both of them, just there's, there's, there's a lot of nuance. 789 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,360 If you've been in the community, you know, there's a lot of nuance there and everyone's 790 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,920 trying to do their best and we're doing better every day and we're building together as an 791 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:35,920 ecosystem. 792 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,440 Yeah, that's right. 793 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,840 I have two SIPs. 794 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,660 One was a zero dollar SIP, which was SIP 14. 795 00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:44,200 That one did pass. 796 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:49,880 That was to have an end game equipment filter. 797 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,960 I also did that podcast before, Sandbox podcast episode on that before. 798 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:55,960 All right. 799 00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,280 So then, yeah, I confirm Kunta has not given me any preferential treatment, nor would I 800 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,280 want him to. 801 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,840 To me, that's a short term game for a long term damage. 802 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,760 And I was not, nope, not, did not want that. 803 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:15,080 Nor did Kunta ever offer anything like that. 804 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,920 He did end up critiquing my SIP because of his vast experience in podcasting. 805 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,160 So my original proposal was much bigger than this. 806 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,820 I had, I was going to give something like 30 or 60 episodes. 807 00:55:27,820 --> 00:55:33,920 The cost was higher and the team was bigger, but then they negotiate me down to 15 and 808 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,720 15 episodes and 1000 costs per episode. 809 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:38,800 Okay. 810 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:45,440 And then old one talks about on another delegate talks about his perspective and how Sandow 811 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:51,360 podcast isn't going to solve the lack of attention given to the sandbox. 812 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,980 And I completely agree. 813 00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:58,460 My episodes weren't going to fix the vast, the small viewership. 814 00:55:58,460 --> 00:56:00,360 It was going to keep the community informed. 815 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,640 It was going to keep going with education and updates. 816 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,520 That's really what this was. 817 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:16,720 Intern, another delegate starts talking about their perspective and yeah, I really, I really 818 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,880 appreciate each delegates input. 819 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,000 It was very helpful. 820 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:29,920 And Kuscha who is a fellow content creator talks about their perspective and concerns 821 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:36,560 mostly about just solely focusing on the Sandow podcast and not, and not maybe things that 822 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:41,920 are pertinent to the game or to other, other content creators. 823 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,600 I understand Kuscha's point. 824 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:49,680 I don't agree with it, but ultimately I was, I was grateful for the discussion. 825 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,400 Yeah. 826 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:57,320 Sebga and Kuscha then have a, have a discussion. 827 00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:05,760 Roxy comes in, starts another delegate and starts talking about reaching quorum. 828 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:14,240 Oh, that was a to Kuscha to just vote to reach quorum and good discussion there talking about 829 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:18,080 quorum and how we want to reach it as best we can. 830 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:23,840 And more discussion about the commitment I have. 831 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:30,040 And I was very, very committed and delegations. 832 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,680 So you can see these conversations just start going in many different places. 833 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,440 The SIP, it wasn't just about the SIP. 834 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,400 It was about people's beliefs. 835 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:45,360 This is one of the first ones that people really got to take a hold of as, as the delegate 836 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,760 and really exercise their delegate power. 837 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,160 And all I've interviewed a lot of the delegates and heard how they wanted to vote. 838 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,700 This is one of the first ones, fortunately or unfortunately, that they get to really 839 00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:01,560 decide how they want to be as a delegate. 840 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,960 And you can see that play out here in the comments, just talking back and forth of why 841 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:06,960 should they vote yes? 842 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,960 Why should they vote no? 843 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:08,960 What's important? 844 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:09,960 What isn't? 845 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:10,960 What should we be focusing on? 846 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:17,520 Should this SIP pass under these conditions or should it change? 847 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:23,240 And then we start talking about what delegation is and all the different things that I'm trying 848 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,240 to do. 849 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,760 I'm not trying to solve sandboxes player retention problem. 850 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,440 I'm not able to solve that. 851 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,640 I'm not going to make anyone sand millionaires. 852 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,840 I'm not going to make us Roblox. 853 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,280 I'm not built to solve that. 854 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:41,520 I'm built to address the lack of understanding and to educate and to provide news updates. 855 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:47,840 And I'm just going to keep doing that if, if I'm, I'm funded. 856 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,640 So more context. 857 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,080 I'm a homegrown podcast. 858 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,960 And here's one that I'm going to be doing soon, which is what is a foundation company 859 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,680 and all the very interesting things I learned. 860 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:05,320 I'll probably be doing that later this week or next week. 861 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,320 All the fun things I learned. 862 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,360 And then more discussion from other delegates. 863 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:19,540 Here's Miel talking about an old point of the Dow is open discussions, diverse voices 864 00:59:19,540 --> 00:59:23,200 and processes we can all learn from. 865 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,200 More discussions about delegations. 866 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,480 So these discussions are just encompassing everything. 867 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,760 It was really, really cool. 868 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,800 And I really appreciate it. 869 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:41,320 Just I feel like we were growing here as a Dow and more discussions, talks, conflict 870 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:51,520 resolutions and here, here's what I wanted to stay on for a second. 871 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,960 Here I kind of explained the timeline because people kept saying, some people kept saying 872 00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,700 that Sandow was, you know, why would we fund a second podcast Sandow? 873 01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:04,280 Why wouldn't we just stick with the sandbox styles, official podcast? 874 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:11,800 And so my response was that, well, voting for the Sandow now doesn't commit anyone to 875 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,720 voting for it in the future, nor does it commit anyone to voting for it. 876 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,040 They were talking about fridge magnets. 877 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,080 Why wouldn't just anyone vote for anything at that point? 878 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,360 Okay, got it. 879 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,760 I submitted this back in July. 880 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:35,400 So that was here, back in July, tip number six and. 881 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,960 And I was on Sandow six at the time. 882 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:43,440 At that moment, we got the call with the traditional industry is not active. 883 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,820 So we're just that. 884 01:00:44,820 --> 01:00:47,320 That was my interview with old one. 885 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,580 Before old one was a delegate. 886 01:00:49,580 --> 01:00:54,200 Old one has is involved in another delegation, one of the largest ones in the mocha verse 887 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,360 called mocha CN smoke with Chinese community. 888 01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,920 Go look at Sandow podcast six. 889 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:04,640 If you're interested in, in if you're a coin down or if you're mocha verse. 890 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,200 Oka CN is a, is a important player in those ecosystems. 891 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,340 So go check that out. 892 01:01:11,340 --> 01:01:17,520 And so I was at Sandow six at the time I started this podcast, this SIP Sandow six. 893 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:18,520 All right. 894 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,160 So I went through five months of curation and it was intense. 895 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:26,160 It was a lot of back and forth to talk about pricing and, and metrics and all sorts of 896 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,160 things. 897 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:34,160 By the time it went to vote on 20th, December 24th, I'd posted my 53rd episode. 898 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,760 And we're putting together called the community council. 899 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,960 That explains that in episode five. 900 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:46,540 So I don't think I'm, I'm, I'm really revealing anything crazy here. 901 01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:53,120 That was Sandow podcast 33, which was did a reaction to the digging in the sand podcast 902 01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:58,440 episodes three and four talking about the 12 delegates, community progressive decentralization 903 01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,440 and great episode. 904 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,500 I'll go check it out, please. 905 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:10,220 And then, and then when episode, so backtracking a little bit when, when episode one came out 906 01:02:10,220 --> 01:02:17,280 on November 17th, that was, that was the Sandow official podcast came out November 17th. 907 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:24,080 I was already on my 42nd episode of Sandow and, and I didn't even realize it until I 908 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,580 clicked on it. 909 01:02:25,580 --> 01:02:31,200 That the 42nd episode was my delegate interview of, they dropped you to, Oh shoot. 910 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,200 It was crypto dip low. 911 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:37,660 Anyways, the one I clicked on was my, my delegate interview of old one, which was a hilarious 912 01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:41,600 kind of like completion of the circle. 913 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:48,560 But but yeah, I was on my 42nd episode of Sandow when digging in the sand episode one 914 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:56,320 came out on November 17th and my 53rd episode when it went to vote on December 27th, 24th. 915 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,740 So anyways, did since Sandow, we cover so many different topics. 916 01:02:59,740 --> 01:03:01,080 We cover it very differently. 917 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,580 I do long form content. 918 01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:08,540 I research it intensely and I try to be as objective and critical as I'm able to. 919 01:03:08,540 --> 01:03:16,280 And I delve into topics that the Sandbox, the Sandbox Dow admin team isn't able to, 920 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,080 can't or doesn't want to cover. 921 01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,160 Like birth of the episode. 922 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,160 I covered that one. 923 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:26,720 I told everyone kind of teased it a little bit and had a little bit of fun. 924 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:33,560 I was just so excited that I was able to piece together all the relationships and I just 925 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,120 couldn't, I couldn't help myself. 926 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,560 So so this was when episode 34 go take a look. 927 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,920 I know I didn't get every single connection right. 928 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:48,160 I emphasize roles when they're not really that way in real life. 929 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,420 And I did the best I could with Google searches. 930 01:03:50,420 --> 01:03:56,700 That's all I had available to me and just searching it, figuring it out. 931 01:03:56,700 --> 01:04:00,640 But that was me revealing, you know, kind of how I thought the Sandbox Dow came to be 932 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:08,160 based on what information was known at the time and the timeline associated behind everything. 933 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:15,280 So I delve into those topics and I delve at it, delve in at a much faster pace. 934 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,320 Although, couldn't tell if you're watching, if you keep doing this every single week, 935 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,200 you're going to end up outpacing me eventually. 936 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,040 So I was trying to get it out as fast as I could. 937 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:34,720 And then also, when the delegates came out, when they were announced, I did, I did 10 938 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,680 of them in seven days. 939 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,360 And that partly was that was because it was right before Christmas. 940 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,240 I wanted to make sure I got them all in before Christmas. 941 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:47,520 And I want to get them in as soon as possible, because I wanted everyone to know who they 942 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,720 were before the next sips came out. 943 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,440 And that way, people could have decided, you know, what what do they want to do? 944 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:59,680 That portion when it comes to the SanFam voter, your delegate style and what you want to accomplish. 945 01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:08,400 Is there anything else you'd like to, to comment on before we move to those final three questions? 946 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,600 That was San Alpacas 38. 947 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,480 That was my first delegate interview with Sebga back on November 16. 948 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,040 So I did 10 delegate interviews in seven days. 949 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:25,800 They were very, very gracious to each of those delegates now to give me their time. 950 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,200 Some of them did it live. 951 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,600 Some of them did it via text only. 952 01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:30,600 But each of them did it. 953 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:37,360 I wasn't able to get to and and Roxy who's in the chat now is also able to do that with 954 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,520 podcast 54 just a few days ago. 955 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,800 So go check that out. 956 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,800 And so that's what it that's what it takes to keep up with what goes on in the Dow. 957 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:53,280 A lot of stuff happens quickly and I have to push out episodes constantly in order to 958 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,680 keep everyone educated and up to date. 959 01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,040 And so funding this SIP meant paying a team to address things I don't have the time to 960 01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,960 do which is episodes are way too long. 961 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,040 And part of that's because I don't have time to edit them down. 962 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:14,520 And also because I enjoy researching and providing the content in a comprehensive way. 963 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,960 If someone wants to look at all the evidence, here it is. 964 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:22,160 And if you disagree, here's the evidence I based it off of. 965 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:28,280 And I just bite size content isn't I don't like it as much. 966 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:34,080 And so I was doing this for free and I decided that's what I way I wanted to do it. 967 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,220 I also wanted to make it available to many more platforms but I didn't have the time 968 01:06:37,220 --> 01:06:41,960 to go through the manual process of those seven to nine extra platforms that came with 969 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,600 RSS.com's package. 970 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:50,080 And I wanted to create more shorter, shorter viral content like on TikTok, YouTube shorts, 971 01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:54,240 Instagram reels, all that. 972 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,660 But it required more funding because I'd reached my max of what I could pay for by myself and 973 01:06:58,660 --> 01:07:01,800 what I could commit to time wise. 974 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:06,180 So that was about halfway through the 106 replies. 975 01:07:06,180 --> 01:07:10,720 That is that was my response there. 976 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,040 And then here comes Roxy who's in the chat. 977 01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,480 I'm gonna go over this one. 978 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:23,440 Roxy voted no and gave me if go look at Sandow podcast 54 we talk about this specifically. 979 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:29,760 Roxy gave me extremely well thought out they all did all the delegates did. 980 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:37,280 But Roxy made a point to explain not just why he voted no, but how he got to that decision 981 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:43,680 talking to 40 people in the sand fam to talk them about what was their interest in the 982 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,080 Sandow podcast sip. 983 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,040 What do they what do they want to see out of it? 984 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:54,800 And he gave me the results of that survey, which was gold. 985 01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,440 I don't know if any many of you know, but I am a data nerd. 986 01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:58,640 I love statistics. 987 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:02,800 I love parsing through data to find what's relevant, what's valuable. 988 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:08,160 That's why I do the the Sandow checkbook and the Sandow scoreboard. 989 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,880 I keep track of statistics so that I can I can derive relevance and value from them. 990 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,840 That's exactly what Roxy did. 991 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:22,680 But on a personal individual level by contacting people as a delegate and asking them what 992 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,720 do you all think sand fam like that was powerful. 993 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:32,500 I had nothing, nothing negative to say about this. 994 01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:42,920 The fact that he voted no hurts, but the why was just too good to say anything against. 995 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,720 It was phenomenal. 996 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:50,480 So I really appreciated him explaining how he talked to the people and here's what they 997 01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:51,480 said. 998 01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:54,160 And here's my opinion on it. 999 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:58,980 And this is what I'm based on based on it's too expensive per episode. 1000 01:08:58,980 --> 01:09:03,920 I don't think it contributes significantly enough to prove the platform itself. 1001 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,160 It's specific to the Dow. 1002 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,560 And it's not important enough to the builders from what I talked to them about. 1003 01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,220 Like it was cool. 1004 01:09:11,220 --> 01:09:12,220 It was cool. 1005 01:09:12,220 --> 01:09:18,000 And he he didn't shy away from acknowledging that that he was appreciative of my efforts. 1006 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,600 And I really I just appreciated the way he went about it. 1007 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:28,960 This to me was is the ideal way to tell someone you're going to vote their proposal down. 1008 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,920 But he did it just splendidly. 1009 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:38,720 So you know, told me in the end, it wasn't a rejection of the podcast, but it was the 1010 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,720 higher priority of him being a delegate. 1011 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,560 I appreciated it. 1012 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,360 I really did. 1013 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,000 So I was like, yeah, yeah, it's really sad to see it. 1014 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:56,880 Oh, yeah, Roxy Roxy said in chat just now the ideal way to be rejected. 1015 01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:57,960 Absolutely, Roxy. 1016 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,480 That is the ideal way to be rejected. 1017 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:06,240 And I appreciated the extra time and effort that you put into crafting this. 1018 01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,620 It was so it was so appreciated. 1019 01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:15,000 And so I said, man, in the forum response to him, I said, I'm really sad, but I respect 1020 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,840 it, which is gracias, mi amigo. 1021 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,520 Ecuador, Ecuador, Ecuador. 1022 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,520 And yeah. 1023 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,520 Yep. 1024 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:31,720 Oh, well, here's something in my response that I wanted to mention that I didn't really 1025 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,800 talk about because there wasn't really a place for it. 1026 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,280 But I'm a builder too. 1027 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,280 When I when I introduced myself, I introduced that I was president of MetaWorlds and that 1028 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,520 how we had published two studios. 1029 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:51,980 Well, what might not be too obvious about that is that I understand firsthand what the 1030 01:10:51,980 --> 01:10:57,300 builders are saying when they say this is not helping the builders like the actual Vox 1031 01:10:57,300 --> 01:10:59,040 edit or GameMaker. 1032 01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,160 I get it. 1033 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,440 It doesn't help them monetize any better. 1034 01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:06,460 I experienced the same thing with MetaWorlds Studio. 1035 01:11:06,460 --> 01:11:08,440 We weren't able to monetize either. 1036 01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:14,360 I spent my whole I spent a whole year trying my hardest to to find a way to do it. 1037 01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,960 And eventually, I don't know if I'm going to get to it because of the way the vote went 1038 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,800 and winding everything down. 1039 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:27,520 But I want to do an episode on the business of sandbox publishing and kind of show you 1040 01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:31,080 the numbers of why it didn't work for me. 1041 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:36,500 And we know it doesn't work for others because to Shea and Tempest both took a step back 1042 01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:42,640 from from building and they were one of the top builders in the ecosystem. 1043 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,840 But they hear hear their posts. 1044 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:51,320 And when I posted SIP seven for a Builders Challenge Working Group, one of the things 1045 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:56,680 one of the reasons why I did this was because back in September, to Shea posted about stepping 1046 01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:02,280 back pretty pretty detailed post, I recommend you go read it. 1047 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,840 But he posted here. 1048 01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,200 He's taking a full step back. 1049 01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:10,760 And all the reasons why financial circumstances made difficult. 1050 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,840 That's monetization thing I was talking about. 1051 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:19,080 It he was one of if not the top builder. 1052 01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,360 When it comes to studios. 1053 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,280 I mean, almost everyone. 1054 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,800 Almost everyone has played fun guy for his fun guy frenzy. 1055 01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:29,320 It's just very talented. 1056 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:30,320 Right. 1057 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:35,660 So not just him, but then Tempest 20 days later says the same thing. 1058 01:12:35,660 --> 01:12:42,480 Another legacy OG really talented studio says goodbye. 1059 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:49,680 And one month we lose two high profile. 1060 01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,160 Builders in in the community. 1061 01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,120 And what was the reason? 1062 01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,920 There's there's some shortcomings, some lack of transparency, some things that they consider 1063 01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:05,780 to be unfair, a little bit of mismanagement, perhaps or lack of respect. 1064 01:13:05,780 --> 01:13:09,240 They have they have their reasons for it. 1065 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,900 I recognize what they're saying. 1066 01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:14,360 It took me a while to get into to where I became a trusted partner. 1067 01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,640 It only happened like late last year. 1068 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:22,560 I haven't been a trusted partner for very long, but it took a while to get there. 1069 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:27,120 And it took a lot, a lot of effort to make it happen. 1070 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:31,240 And Tempest and to share both partners to say when we interviewed him, turns out he's 1071 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:32,940 an advanced partner. 1072 01:13:32,940 --> 01:13:35,260 So that was that was cool. 1073 01:13:35,260 --> 01:13:43,160 But in any case, you can see there that they when we when we run the numbers, when I ran 1074 01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,280 the numbers, it just I couldn't I couldn't sustain the business model. 1075 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,240 The catalysts were too expensive to mend. 1076 01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:55,760 The marketplace wasn't having enough activity to buy what I mented. 1077 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,600 And the experiences didn't have a way to monetize. 1078 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,120 And it just it didn't work. 1079 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,880 It didn't work out. 1080 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:12,280 So at the end of Builders Challenge one in May of 2024, I was I was ready to step back 1081 01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:18,660 from the sandbox because I reached the end of my ability to to pay for it out of pocket 1082 01:14:18,660 --> 01:14:20,680 and myself. 1083 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,640 And I was going to step back from the sandbox and just move on. 1084 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,120 I did I did my best. 1085 01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,120 I did everything I could. 1086 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,600 The monetization just isn't there. 1087 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,240 The business model doesn't work for me. 1088 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,680 And so I was going to do that. 1089 01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,880 But then guess what happens in May 28th? 1090 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:40,920 The Dow launches May 28th, 2024. 1091 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,360 And that that lights a fire in me. 1092 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:47,000 It gives me my motivation back because I'm a I'm a business owner. 1093 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,520 I'm a creative entrepreneur. 1094 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:54,320 I create things, games and I compose music and I write novels. 1095 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,680 I published them to Amazon and iTunes. 1096 01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,240 I create I game. 1097 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:05,160 I've been a really competitive gamer and a casual gamer. 1098 01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:06,840 I've been I've been the whole gamut. 1099 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:13,400 I've organized big events like world record breaking things, Guinness World Records stuff. 1100 01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,920 And the Dow is all of that. 1101 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:21,560 It's business, it's community, it's leadership, it's gaming, all that together. 1102 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:25,800 And that's where I talk about the people, the product, the purpose, the ecosystem. 1103 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:26,800 Yeah. 1104 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:27,880 So. 1105 01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:35,040 So that's the Dow and it's just it's just lights puts puts a light in me. 1106 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,960 Oh, here's your Sandow 30 with Touche. 1107 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,480 And on the website, it said it was established in 2010. 1108 01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:43,480 What's the connection there? 1109 01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:48,440 So it's to say studios has been around since I was like 20 years old. 1110 01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:53,280 I thought I was like pretty clever and came up with a name to shake my last name is shake. 1111 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,280 And so I was like, hey, to shake. 1112 01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,920 To say to say right on. 1113 01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:01,040 It was so cool. 1114 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,040 I love to say I love them to death. 1115 01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:11,160 And so, yeah, if it hadn't been for the Dow, I would have stepped back as well. 1116 01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:12,160 I did. 1117 01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:13,160 I did. 1118 01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,400 I put all of my effort into succeeding. 1119 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,520 And I did it for over a year at that point. 1120 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:25,200 I had been in sandbox since 2021 as a gamer and a landowner and and an avatar owner, but 1121 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:36,240 didn't really become a builder until I discovered GMF and 2022 or 23 and wrote a proposal got 1122 01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,960 accepted for GMF 2023. 1123 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:44,240 Then builders challenge one took over from GMF 2023. 1124 01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,200 We did build a challenge one floor droppers. 1125 01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,920 We ranked seventh out of 400 and it was awesome. 1126 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,840 And then we were in Alpha season four. 1127 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,060 So got really, really lucky. 1128 01:16:55,060 --> 01:16:58,440 But in any case, that was that. 1129 01:16:58,440 --> 01:17:02,800 And then Kusho rightly points out success criteria. 1130 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,560 That was a tougher thing to do because how do you measure something that's brand new 1131 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,240 like us and what's really important? 1132 01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:16,640 And so I said that what I think is important isn't views because we're not getting them. 1133 01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:22,920 And yes, my hours are long, but there's a max I can commit. 1134 01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:27,840 And it's only 15 K of eight million bucks and it's formed eight million depend on the 1135 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,000 trading of San. 1136 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:39,360 So but ultimately, I think that we should base it on engagement, like how many retweets 1137 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:46,680 there are how many how many live viewers we have because that helps me. 1138 01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,040 That's where San Fam is. 1139 01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:50,040 Yeah. 1140 01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:55,120 Hey, Dan Koy, good to see you. 1141 01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:56,920 Yeah, exactly. 1142 01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:01,640 Dan Koy says in the chat, not counting the others that leave but don't share. 1143 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:02,640 Absolutely. 1144 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,560 And that was just the most high profile ones. 1145 01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:10,200 There are others who decided to that they couldn't make it as well and it wasn't for 1146 01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,640 them and they have since departed as well. 1147 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,720 That's very, very good point, Dan Koy. 1148 01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,120 Yeah. 1149 01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,080 And there's so and it's not like they want to leave. 1150 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:23,640 I didn't want to leave the sandbox when I was deciding to take a step back. 1151 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,920 I couldn't sustain what I was doing. 1152 01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:32,880 And it was either continue paying everything out of pocket and developments not cheap. 1153 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,880 Floor droppers took about $20,000 to build. 1154 01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:46,160 And and even ranking seventh that I did, we only got 9000 San, which at the time was trading 1155 01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,280 at about 26 cents. 1156 01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:52,680 So we did not break even at all. 1157 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,400 But that's how much it costs to create a real thing. 1158 01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:02,200 You you've got developers time and effort and you want to build a good one. 1159 01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,500 You've got to pay them to build you a good one. 1160 01:19:04,500 --> 01:19:06,040 So I couldn't do that one again. 1161 01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,720 I couldn't I couldn't spend another pay another 20,000. 1162 01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:14,040 That was yeah, that was that was a rough one. 1163 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:15,560 A rough loss. 1164 01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:22,920 So that's when I decided that I couldn't I couldn't make it back on catalysts is the 1165 01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,120 numbers weren't working. 1166 01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:32,360 And you know, Seb go very graciously says here. 1167 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,880 Lancer is offering high value and I so appreciated that. 1168 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,640 Thank you. 1169 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:45,640 Thanks all the people who back and forth good concerns about it being expensive. 1170 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:50,280 And thank you to everyone else who supported. 1171 01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:55,080 And and here we start really talking about right about this point in time singling out 1172 01:19:55,080 --> 01:20:00,160 sand out why should sand I'll be this the sole recipient of this and to be honest, I 1173 01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:01,160 get it. 1174 01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:08,080 And crafter had a sip idea a while ago that and I was so supportive of it of being a full 1175 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:15,880 time content creator for the sandbox now, but it wasn't able to make it to vote. 1176 01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,960 So it was curated and I know I don't think it made it past curation. 1177 01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:28,160 I was very supportive of it, but it didn't make it and mine did probably only because 1178 01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:32,560 my professional background is in contract writing, proposal writing and negotiations. 1179 01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:39,960 And so I do this for a living and I was just able to see it through. 1180 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:45,440 Yeah, and he said, you know, let's let's create a sip for Andy Richie and Shakespeare and 1181 01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:51,600 bandit pops and commie and vision and many, many other content creators. 1182 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:52,920 Like why wouldn't we do that? 1183 01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:58,040 Well, and my and my view, maybe we should be doing that. 1184 01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:02,080 I have no sure I'll support them too. 1185 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:09,360 I felt that Sandal podcast gives benefit directly to the Dow. 1186 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,720 And yeah, that was mine. 1187 01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:21,120 And people see points and agreed and you know, and then commie rightly points out that Panda 1188 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:25,200 Cyber Dragon and commie are staff at the sandbox. 1189 01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:29,320 Because they have a normal salary and doing streams as part of their work. 1190 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:34,680 Lucas and Joseph, who's the Vision X, they've had him on Sandal a couple times now. 1191 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,440 They're part of the ambassador program and they get rewarded for sand. 1192 01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:41,080 I am neither an ambassador nor my staff. 1193 01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,480 I get nothing. 1194 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:47,960 I am not compensated in any way by the sandbox. 1195 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:48,960 Or really anybody. 1196 01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:53,360 I'm just doing this because I enjoy it and just doing it. 1197 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:54,840 And there's multiple tracks. 1198 01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,360 I did apply to be an ambassador when the ambassador program came online. 1199 01:21:58,360 --> 01:21:59,360 I didn't hear back. 1200 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:05,760 So I don't know if my application got lost or what, but I did apply. 1201 01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:13,240 And, and this is where this is where that very interesting remark about maybe commie 1202 01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:17,800 says maybe we should have a community boost chest that rewards streamers. 1203 01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,920 And that people pick up on that a lot. 1204 01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,920 See that right there? 1205 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,760 Eight uptokes right there. 1206 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,400 A lot of people said, yeah, we should do that. 1207 01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,400 And so where is it? 1208 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:33,400 Who else? 1209 01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,440 DeFenix, I think says pretty much the same thing. 1210 01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:39,240 I think others deserve that. 1211 01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,040 He thought that I should deserve to be paid for my consistency. 1212 01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,040 Cost is questionable. 1213 01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:52,880 However, he, he would like to, he's confused about some of the proposal parts and, and 1214 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,960 prepare to see the funds elsewhere. 1215 01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:55,960 Okay. 1216 01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:56,960 Where was it? 1217 01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:57,960 Where was it? 1218 01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,160 Not sure if a thousand perhaps it's really worth it. 1219 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,560 I, like I mentioned in the beginning, based on my research, a thousand per episode is 1220 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:04,560 on the lower end. 1221 01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:10,160 So if you Google search how much per episode is a podcast, you will see a lot of different 1222 01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:20,040 opinions, but a few of them will say from zero to 5,000 is, is the lower range from 1223 01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,160 5,000 to 15,000 is the upper range. 1224 01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,640 There's a, there's a couple of websites that have, have it about that. 1225 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:32,200 And so 1000 is, you know, in the grand scheme of things, not, not that much per episode. 1226 01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:37,020 And I planned on, you know, getting better rates after, you know, cause I can buy in 1227 01:23:37,020 --> 01:23:39,440 bulk at that point. 1228 01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:43,720 And I just couldn't commit to it because I hadn't yet negotiated that down on Fiverr 1229 01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:44,720 and all that. 1230 01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:49,760 But yeah, I was going to stretch it out to something closer to 20 or 25. 1231 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,520 And who was it? 1232 01:23:53,520 --> 01:24:03,160 Who was it that talked about the community, the community streamer thing as well? 1233 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,720 Someone asked me if, if I was doing this for individual gain. 1234 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,680 I was not. 1235 01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:10,080 Nope. 1236 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,720 And then that was what a few days ago, right? 1237 01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:12,720 Seven days ago. 1238 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,200 So an hour before that I had posted my interview with Roxy Miguel. 1239 01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:20,800 There's so many people to get their opinion and then you see in the forum post. 1240 01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,480 Cause I was learning too. 1241 01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:29,960 Like I have, I get feedback all the time, but it's not all representative of all SanFam. 1242 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:36,600 To think about it is that my priority will be the gaming ecosystem. 1243 01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:42,000 So there's Roxy, our latest delegate talking about his viewpoint on how, how does he want 1244 01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,000 to vote? 1245 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,000 What's what's important to him? 1246 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,080 And, and then I, I updated my stats at that point. 1247 01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,920 I'd interviewed, I'd interviewed 35 guests. 1248 01:24:52,920 --> 01:25:00,320 So as of episode 54 with Roxy, I interviewed 35 guests and I've covered 11 sips. 1249 01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,400 This one makes it 12. 1250 01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:07,080 And so 15,000 is going to help build a better podcast. 1251 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,520 And hold on, we're getting to it. 1252 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,960 We're getting to the one that I've been searching for. 1253 01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:22,400 For discussion about, about how the budget should be, should be applied here and, and 1254 01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,200 here respect the outcome. 1255 01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:25,200 All right. 1256 01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:32,440 So at the time, seven days ago, a week ago, I was at 52% yes, 47% no. 1257 01:25:32,440 --> 01:25:36,420 So it had been, it had been battling back and forth and at varying degrees. 1258 01:25:36,420 --> 01:25:41,220 At one point it was, it was 2 million no right at the very beginning because one of the delegates 1259 01:25:41,220 --> 01:25:42,520 got the drop on me. 1260 01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:47,280 They voted no very early before I could even vote yes on my own proposal. 1261 01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:52,760 And then after that it took over, it had a big, a big yes vote. 1262 01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:57,440 And then it slowly just like crept back to where you see now seven days ago. 1263 01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:58,440 Okay. 1264 01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:02,960 And then, oh, here's the comment about why do we need a second podcast? 1265 01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:09,480 And then they also asked me to produce what is the average viewer for Sandow podcast. 1266 01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:11,680 So I looked it up on YouTube. 1267 01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:17,480 It changes per, I, I, I published this on like, I think seven different platforms. 1268 01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:23,680 So they're different per platform, but on YouTube, my episodes, 116 hours have been 1269 01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:32,780 watched of my 54 episodes and the average view is 10 minutes across all my episodes. 1270 01:26:32,780 --> 01:26:38,560 And if people, sometimes people ask me like, you do all this couple hours worth and people 1271 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,040 only watched him and it's like, that's okay. 1272 01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,280 I do this primarily because I love it first. 1273 01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,960 And I do it because I have, I have the data that I want to present and then take from 1274 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,080 it what you will. 1275 01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:52,440 That's it. 1276 01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:59,480 And then I list off all the stuff that is, is in my corner in my, in my favor. 1277 01:26:59,480 --> 01:27:04,040 Sandow does not answer to the sandbox game company or the Dow admin team. 1278 01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,760 Sandow cannot be fired by the sandbox game company or the Dow admin team. 1279 01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,840 Sandow is independently produced. 1280 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:14,000 Sandow is not required to honor the sandbox game company or the Dow admin team requests 1281 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,520 that it not cover a topic. 1282 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:19,440 And for the record, they never asked me to, but even if they did, I'm not required to 1283 01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:20,440 honor it. 1284 01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:22,760 I don't work for them. 1285 01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,800 Sandow is not bound by any non-disclosure or non-compete agreement. 1286 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,560 Sandow can be as critical as is necessary to the benefit of the community. 1287 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,320 And some of those episodes that I've done were really harsh and critical. 1288 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:43,040 Like check out 31, 32, and, and the, the one about the new SIP process, the one about the 1289 01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,880 Dow medium article. 1290 01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:52,840 And I've since softened my stance because of the new transparency from, from DITS episodes 1291 01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,240 one through five. 1292 01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:55,240 But I was very critical. 1293 01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:58,680 I was getting super critical because the transparency just wasn't there. 1294 01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:03,240 And I can do that without getting in trouble because I'm independently produced. 1295 01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:09,260 So then there was a question about how, why did I need to go to nine more platforms? 1296 01:28:09,260 --> 01:28:13,360 And that's where I revealed when you have an RSS account, which is a podcast platform, 1297 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:18,860 it's one of the oldest and on the internet when it comes to podcasts, RSS feeds. 1298 01:28:18,860 --> 01:28:21,560 So here, right here are the automatic ones. 1299 01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:26,200 You just click a button and anytime you click publish, it'll publish your episode to Spotify, 1300 01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:31,400 Amazon music, podcast index, listen notes, and the RSS community. 1301 01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:38,200 So you can publish it to Apple podcast, Pandora, tune in, iHeartRadio, and Deezer, but you 1302 01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,320 have to go to their website and then manually submit it. 1303 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:42,320 That's the ones I'm telling you. 1304 01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,880 I didn't have enough time to do that. 1305 01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,960 Not with the amount of time that I was putting into it already. 1306 01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:53,240 So I was going to hire an assistant to do that for all the episodes. 1307 01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,120 That's what I meant by more platforms. 1308 01:28:55,120 --> 01:29:02,200 It already comes as in the package that I was paying for to have this account that I 1309 01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:06,200 was paying for out of my own pocket already had that available. 1310 01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:10,000 So as soon as I went to Apple podcasts, they would publish it because I had an account 1311 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,000 with RSS. 1312 01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,000 All right. 1313 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,800 And that's, I just explained that right here. 1314 01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:15,800 Same thing. 1315 01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:20,420 And Pandora is a household name when it comes to music. 1316 01:29:20,420 --> 01:29:24,800 So it was a no brainer to try and publish to them. 1317 01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,080 Yep. 1318 01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:31,680 So Sandow podcast first published 201 days ago and mid June 2020. 1319 01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:35,040 Whereas digging the sand published 47 days ago in late November. 1320 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,800 What are we looking to achieve? 1321 01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,200 Kuscha asked and I said just to keep going. 1322 01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:42,800 Dits and Sandow cover very different topics. 1323 01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,200 We cover them differently. 1324 01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:49,000 Best part is we're not required to choose one over the other because it's not a competition. 1325 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:54,680 It doesn't have to be me versus them and it's not me versus the other podcast. 1326 01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:58,240 So this is the one thing he, he was, I wasn't able to answer. 1327 01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:02,000 He kept asking how are we supposed to measure its success and determine whether or not this 1328 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,320 tip actually benefits us. 1329 01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,400 And I don't know. 1330 01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:12,240 It isn't clear to me yet how we should be measuring the impact because while views are 1331 01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:17,360 an obvious metric, they're very misleading as ecosystem. 1332 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,520 Years ago we used to get thousands of views. 1333 01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,920 Now, now we get hundreds of views. 1334 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,760 So my intuition told me that what I should be measuring is engagement, which is like 1335 01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:31,160 retweets replies, increase in voting forum activity. 1336 01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:37,620 And when I did those 15 episodes that were then going to be done a lot better, I would 1337 01:30:37,620 --> 01:30:42,440 monitor the difference and then report on that difference to, to see if what value was 1338 01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:45,600 actually given there. 1339 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,400 That's what the risk was. 1340 01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:53,600 The risk was the confidence and the trust and, and giving me the resources I needed 1341 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:58,040 to build the podcast better, to deliver more value. 1342 01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,200 That's what the risk was for this. 1343 01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:07,320 So yeah, that's what that was. 1344 01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,840 More discussions. 1345 01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:15,800 There was a good discussion between sub gun, Viverson about, about what examples we should 1346 01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:25,720 be using, how many streamers are in play and what about, what about their pricing? 1347 01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,320 Really good discussion there. 1348 01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,920 And what did my version ask me here? 1349 01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:38,280 He said, why don't you think the other streamers didn't submit a proposal? 1350 01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:43,000 And it's basically because when the Dow came out, most of us didn't know what the Dow was. 1351 01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:49,160 And the only reason I myself was able to Dow faster was because I have a business background, 1352 01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,480 I have a proposal writing background. 1353 01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:57,560 And as soon as the Dow was released, I had stopped building experiences. 1354 01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:02,040 I put a pause on my third experience because of the funding problem. 1355 01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,720 And I had a lot of time on my hands to devote to a new project. 1356 01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,520 And so I devoted to the Dow and I learned what it was. 1357 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:13,560 And I figured out how to, I mean, once I knew that all you had to do was write a proposal, 1358 01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:15,280 I've been doing that my whole career. 1359 01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,360 So I just wrote one. 1360 01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,720 And so that's why the others didn't do it. 1361 01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:21,720 They didn't even know what it was. 1362 01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,000 They didn't know what they could get from it. 1363 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,120 And they didn't know how to, how to Dow. 1364 01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,400 A lot of politics are involved. 1365 01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:30,720 You have to do a lot of campaigning. 1366 01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:39,760 You have to ask people for votes and then change your great idea when they disagree. 1367 01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,480 Otherwise, you won't get their vote. 1368 01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:44,560 So you have to get the really balance it out and it's tough. 1369 01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,040 It's a lot of time and effort. 1370 01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,400 So that's why they didn't do it. 1371 01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:57,520 And lots of questions, answers and discussions. 1372 01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:03,560 And Seb got asked, is it possible to produce more episodes ideally to produce throughout 1373 01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:04,560 2025? 1374 01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,880 Or is this unthinkable? 1375 01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:10,120 And I said, where was it? 1376 01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:17,280 Oh yeah, here's the list of streamers, really well known people in the community who stream 1377 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:18,280 already. 1378 01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,440 So he's asking like, why don't they get a sip? 1379 01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:22,440 And they do. 1380 01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:23,840 They just have to write one. 1381 01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,680 And that's how this works. 1382 01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:33,240 And, and by verse and said, well, if this is a yes, then you know, how do you think 1383 01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,880 everyone else is going to, how this is going to apply to everyone else? 1384 01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:41,760 And what's the perception going to be? 1385 01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:50,120 And you know, Kunta came in and engaged some clarifications for some things. 1386 01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:54,220 And we're discussion and Kunta said exactly what I thought too. 1387 01:33:54,220 --> 01:34:01,200 This has been the most constructive, really like there were a lot of humongously different 1388 01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:07,640 opinions, black and white people were, were debating hard, but it was constructive. 1389 01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:09,840 We learned a lot from each other, I think. 1390 01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,600 I think we learned a lot about our Dow, what we wanted out of all this. 1391 01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,600 So it was very respectful for almost all of it. 1392 01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:18,140 It was respectful. 1393 01:34:18,140 --> 01:34:22,520 People were debating the issues and not necessarily going out after each other. 1394 01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:27,920 There was a little bit, but you know, debates got heated and that's how it went. 1395 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,840 And, and, and, you know, there was a little bit of apologies back and forth to each other 1396 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,460 because some, some people, you know, the debates got really heated. 1397 01:34:35,460 --> 01:34:39,280 So they're like, oh, I'm sorry if, if, if you felt like I disrespected you and like, 1398 01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,520 ah, I'm sorry that I was intense here. 1399 01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,480 And like, it was, it was just good. 1400 01:34:43,480 --> 01:34:45,160 It was good discussion. 1401 01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:49,360 I feel like we learned a lot from each other. 1402 01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:55,840 And I can reiterate, we're not in competition between digging the sand podcast and sand 1403 01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:56,840 Dow. 1404 01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:58,960 We're, we're, we're building the same ecosystem. 1405 01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,840 We have multiple million dollar budget. 1406 01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:06,400 It's not, it's not a competition. 1407 01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,120 And oh, here it is, Sir Alokan. 1408 01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:14,520 Sir Alokan came in, he was a new user, he knew the Dow, looks like, and proposed as 1409 01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:23,460 an alternative that we have a combined sip where everyone can receive money or sand based 1410 01:35:23,460 --> 01:35:29,400 on their contributions to streaming and content creation, which is similar to what Kami proposed. 1411 01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:34,880 And when Kami proposed that, that's a great idea, but I was so engrossed in the way the 1412 01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:39,420 Dow was going or the way the sip was going that I didn't think about any other steps 1413 01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:40,420 at the time. 1414 01:35:40,420 --> 01:35:46,880 But when he said that, Sir Alokan, it triggered something in my brain that, wow, we really 1415 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:51,680 could do a combined sip and just have like almost like a think ape. 1416 01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:53,680 Show you all that. 1417 01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:54,680 Right. 1418 01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,160 Think ape here. 1419 01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,960 Think ape has a reward system. 1420 01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:02,800 See if I can get in. 1421 01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:03,800 Let me in. 1422 01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,800 Come on, come on, come on. 1423 01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:06,800 Yeah, here we go. 1424 01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:09,080 So think ape is a reward system. 1425 01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:12,040 Okay, so you start earning, you connect your wallet. 1426 01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:15,640 And when you do that, here are the right quests. 1427 01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:21,520 So let's go to the the streamer host and stream request. 1428 01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,800 Host an ex Twitter space. 1429 01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:30,960 Host an ex Twitter space for your ape chain NFT or in meme coin community and achieve 1430 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:32,480 2500 listens. 1431 01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:38,160 If you get that and you connect your wallet and it verifies, you get 300 ape as a reward. 1432 01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,200 So just substitute it with sand. 1433 01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:46,880 Host an ex Twitter space for your sandbox community and achieve 2500 listens and you 1434 01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,320 get 300 sand. 1435 01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:51,080 And it's a it's a bounty system. 1436 01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,200 So anyone can come in and claim it. 1437 01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:57,440 And so we could do the same thing. 1438 01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:00,080 Thank ape. 1439 01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:06,500 And so, me being the, I've already submitted eight sips already, me being the sip creator 1440 01:37:06,500 --> 01:37:09,720 that I am think, oh my gosh, that's wonderful. 1441 01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:11,560 We should definitely do that. 1442 01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:15,760 Meal instantly chimes in, secret meow and says great idea. 1443 01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:21,720 Subga, I think says, Subga some more discussion. 1444 01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:26,280 I've sent in a document verso. 1445 01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,280 I think he also agrees with what's going on. 1446 01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:30,280 Where is it? 1447 01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:33,280 Come on, I'll be here soon. 1448 01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,880 This is an independent streamer. 1449 01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,640 And so by by versin here says, absolutely. 1450 01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:40,640 That's a great idea, sir. 1451 01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:41,640 I look in. 1452 01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:47,160 And so I say, that's a great idea. 1453 01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,720 Also the intern mentioned that as well. 1454 01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:57,480 So sir, a local intern and commie all mentioned a similar reward system for the collective 1455 01:37:57,480 --> 01:37:59,680 content creators within the ecosystem. 1456 01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,340 I definitely supported that. 1457 01:38:01,340 --> 01:38:03,360 And I said I was going to make a sip about it. 1458 01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:10,520 So about, you know, 10 minutes later, I go to the sip ideas and I post a new sip idea 1459 01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,240 and I call it the sand chest. 1460 01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:15,360 It already has nine upvotes. 1461 01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,560 But the sand chest is basically what they just talked about. 1462 01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,640 It's kind of like think ape what I just showed. 1463 01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:26,480 I have the context here of how Dals post or the interns post here, then commies post and 1464 01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:34,040 Sir Alokan's post all kind of give us this idea of we should have a creative pool of 1465 01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:36,680 rewards for creators. 1466 01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:41,320 And so I invite Sir Alokan and commie up as co-authors. 1467 01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:43,200 I can't invite intern because he's a delegate. 1468 01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:44,880 He can't be a sip author. 1469 01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:49,440 And so I what I propose is the earmark sand out of the budget that's going to come up 1470 01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:53,320 at the end of the January, we create a sand chest out of it. 1471 01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:57,800 And we create a transparent system that fairly distributes creators based on some sort of 1472 01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:59,440 ranking. 1473 01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:07,640 And also we define content creators and categories so that we're you know, you two people are 1474 01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:11,060 with you two people and such and such, so forth. 1475 01:39:11,060 --> 01:39:14,480 But basically the think ape but for the sandbox. 1476 01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:22,180 So I wrote that sip while while sand out podcast sip was going on, because it was it was looking 1477 01:39:22,180 --> 01:39:25,880 it was looking like looking a little rough. 1478 01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,400 We still had the yes vote at the time. 1479 01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:29,460 And so let's keep going. 1480 01:39:29,460 --> 01:39:31,520 And then here it comes. 1481 01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,560 Here comes the next update. 1482 01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,440 On January 4, 133pm. 1483 01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:43,780 I look at the results and I have a majority no vote, I pretty much guessed what happened. 1484 01:39:43,780 --> 01:39:52,560 And yes, we did achieve quorum and 110% but we did so with well vaults 7.6 million no 1485 01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:57,720 vote which created a 59% no and 39% yes. 1486 01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:02,520 And that there's the why that we talked about the beginning of the episode went through 1487 01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,080 all of that. 1488 01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:07,920 And I was unable to recover from that. 1489 01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:11,220 And it went away. 1490 01:40:11,220 --> 01:40:12,220 After that. 1491 01:40:12,220 --> 01:40:20,880 I got a lot of things people reaching out saying, thank you. 1492 01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,200 And oh, here's where I revealed that. 1493 01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:28,440 Yeah, I did plan on making the $15,000 last a little bit more than 15 episodes. 1494 01:40:28,440 --> 01:40:37,080 I think people believe the 15,000 is not cost effective because the the oops, that's a special 1495 01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:42,240 council cited 400 per episode. 1496 01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:45,760 And, oh, nice. 1497 01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:51,960 As the special counsel cited 400 per episode. 1498 01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:57,480 And I don't think that fully captures all the costs of digging the sand, podcast. 1499 01:40:57,480 --> 01:41:00,120 And my shirt, my research showed that 1000 is reasonable. 1500 01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:04,040 And here I included a couple screenshots of the websites I was talking about, with a low 1501 01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:12,040 end showed $350 to 1000 in the low end 1500 to 5000 being the high end. 1502 01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:18,880 And then the second one showed anywhere from one to 15,000 per episode is is one of the 1503 01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:22,100 estimates from a podcast creation site. 1504 01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:29,040 So I couldn't promise that I would be able to do it to do 15,000 with more than 15 episodes. 1505 01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:36,040 I hadn't yet been able to negotiate that lower price on Fiverr and all the discounted rates. 1506 01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:47,680 So more discussion of problems, not only costs also performance. 1507 01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:52,480 And to keep going, we're almost through this, we're almost done. 1508 01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:56,440 Oh, here's an interesting part between Hishmad and I. 1509 01:41:56,440 --> 01:42:01,120 Hishmad said that we need, who did I respond? 1510 01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:02,560 Oh, there we go. 1511 01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:06,400 Given the significant variation in production costs, particularly human costs across different 1512 01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:11,040 locations, I'm utilizing the committee's benchmarks to ensure appropriate comparisons. 1513 01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:17,520 For instance, I anticipate that production costs in Indonesia not exceed 200 per episode. 1514 01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:21,920 This would differ significantly in the USA, hence the importance of the committee's benchmarks. 1515 01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:29,240 That was Hishmad, what I said was that must be where our disconnect is. 1516 01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:35,120 Because the team is made up of people from Indonesia, Philippines, Canada, America and 1517 01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:36,120 Italy. 1518 01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:42,360 I built the team multinational and editing alone costs more than $200 per episode. 1519 01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:43,720 Usually it goes by the minute. 1520 01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:48,640 So anything over 300, you're probably looking at more than 200 bucks just for editing. 1521 01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:55,120 Alright, so I referenced here, I searched someone on Fiverr, Gizmoxsen here. 1522 01:42:55,120 --> 01:43:10,680 And Gizmoxsen, your basic package is, basic package is $50 here for 15 minutes, $100 for 1523 01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:17,520 30 minutes, 250 for more than 30 minutes, so up to 120. 1524 01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:22,400 And he's from Uzbekistan. 1525 01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:29,680 So some of his competitors showed upwards of 500 bucks and more for the same, and some 1526 01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:31,280 of them didn't even exceed 30 minutes. 1527 01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:37,240 So the situation is a little bit different outside of Fiverr, a little bit, but you're 1528 01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:42,560 talking about a mix of the skill, the trust, the credibility and the price you have to 1529 01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:43,560 pay. 1530 01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:45,960 And I have to balance that in a way that delivers a result. 1531 01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:50,880 And I can't, I've got to do it in a way that I know I will succeed, and that's the way 1532 01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:52,400 I can succeed. 1533 01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:58,960 So that's what I built my proposal around and I stand by it. 1534 01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:10,120 And then another delegate votes, basically for the reason the council recommended. 1535 01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:12,280 And here we're almost done here. 1536 01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:17,400 So I was bummed to see it all go the way that it did. 1537 01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:21,880 And to all those who voted no, we're all still friends. 1538 01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:26,100 I don't feel like, I don't want anyone to avoid me or to feel awkward around me because 1539 01:44:26,100 --> 01:44:28,280 they voted no against my SIP. 1540 01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:29,280 It's okay. 1541 01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,080 It's all right. 1542 01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:37,440 Ultimately, it would have been a yes vote had Wellvault not voted 6.7.6 million no. 1543 01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:39,960 So we would have been fine had not been for that. 1544 01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:44,720 But no one needs to avoid me for I'm not throwing a temper tantrum. 1545 01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:48,640 Just just give me a little bit to recover, which I already feel recovered right now. 1546 01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:50,000 Come to terms with it. 1547 01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:59,600 And then you know, feeling the emotional damage. 1548 01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:03,540 But Sandow is going to change whether SIP 18 passes or not. 1549 01:45:03,540 --> 01:45:04,540 It did not pass. 1550 01:45:04,540 --> 01:45:06,280 Sandow is going to change. 1551 01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:08,200 And here I said if it passes, it gets bigger and better. 1552 01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:11,920 If it doesn't pass, it gets scaled down to what I can manage by myself. 1553 01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:13,360 But I'm still here. 1554 01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:17,520 And then check out the new Sand Chess SIP idea. 1555 01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:19,720 So yeah. 1556 01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:21,300 Yeah. 1557 01:45:21,300 --> 01:45:25,600 And then constructive stuff. 1558 01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,880 And that's why I voted yes. 1559 01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:35,600 Yes I was I was going to I was going to do the very best I could with it. 1560 01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:40,280 And Seb go voted 80% yes 20% no. 1561 01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:45,600 And I don't I don't think it's appreciated just how much you can you can split your vote 1562 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,080 like Seb go thought that he liked it. 1563 01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:54,840 And but but the 20% no was a recognition of the apprehension and the arguments for now. 1564 01:45:54,840 --> 01:46:00,600 I did a similar thing for the sandbox ambassador SIP. 1565 01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:07,560 I voted half yes half no because it looked like a clear yes a clear positive me. 1566 01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:09,680 But so many of the ambassadors were against it. 1567 01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:13,520 So I had to I felt that it was it was right to split my vote. 1568 01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:19,160 And so what it had if it had been presented at 7.5k would have been approved. 1569 01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:24,160 Then probably probably 500 an episode. 1570 01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:28,240 I don't I don't think people would have really batted an eye on it. 1571 01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:35,200 But it's the same thing in 8.0 price is a big factor and a lot of people you know feel 1572 01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:42,840 how they feel about seeing a large price tag and they felt the same way about this one. 1573 01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:44,840 So the voting period is ended. 1574 01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:47,540 That was a day ago yesterday. 1575 01:46:47,540 --> 01:46:55,620 And here are the results with the quorum reached 22.6 no 16.9 yes. 1576 01:46:55,620 --> 01:47:02,180 And then I give my yesterday I give my my response saying first there firstly everyone 1577 01:47:02,180 --> 01:47:07,360 thank you for the for the lively discussion I learned a lot. 1578 01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:10,320 I feel like we all learned a lot really. 1579 01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:14,240 Second like I mentioned in my emotional damage posts that I just went over a few minutes 1580 01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:19,640 ago I'm bummed but I'm satisfied I did everything I could to show the community that Sandow 1581 01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,480 was worth it. 1582 01:47:21,480 --> 01:47:23,280 It's worthwhile. 1583 01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,760 And I'm going to survive I'm going to be all right. 1584 01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:30,920 Sam the well dolls well that well vaults 7.6 million vote definitely turn the tide turned 1585 01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:32,520 it from a yes to a no. 1586 01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:37,080 I previously mentioned here how I opened the door to that involvement. 1587 01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:42,800 I authored the proposal that enabled them to vote. 1588 01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:47,240 And as you can see clearly that did not entitle me to a yes vote there were no backroom deals 1589 01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:54,840 there and I didn't expect them to to I didn't I didn't feel entitled to a yes vote. 1590 01:47:54,840 --> 01:48:00,380 I was surprised that they voted no because it wasn't in line with the process that was 1591 01:48:00,380 --> 01:48:06,840 approved and in their Dow but they always had the authority to vote how they want to 1592 01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:07,840 and they did. 1593 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:13,320 And I feel like we grew closer as a community even though it didn't turn out the way I wanted 1594 01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:18,020 it went the way it needed to and we're learning and we're growing and this is what it means 1595 01:48:18,020 --> 01:48:20,160 to Dow we're Dowing. 1596 01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:23,080 So don't feel like you have to avoid me. 1597 01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:28,600 We are still friends and I'm not coming for any of you voted no not even well though I'm 1598 01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:31,340 just disappointed. 1599 01:48:31,340 --> 01:48:39,080 And here's the vote table we already went over that and bill smiley face don't forget sand 1600 01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:40,080 chest sip. 1601 01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:47,720 If you look at that please look at the Sanchez sip it's in the sip ideas forum and yep some 1602 01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:54,440 responses to that yesterday or just Dr. Metaverse so that's it that's that's going through the 1603 01:48:54,440 --> 01:48:57,020 results. 1604 01:48:57,020 --> 01:49:13,160 So cost was a factor redundancy between its and Sandow fairness to other streamers value 1605 01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:14,160 to the ecosystem. 1606 01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:17,560 There you go. 1607 01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:21,680 So those are a lot of the comments. 1608 01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:24,800 All right now we're almost done here. 1609 01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,280 What's next? 1610 01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:31,120 So now that we're not funded what do I do now? 1611 01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:32,800 Here's what I'm going to do. 1612 01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:34,360 Sandow podcast is going to change. 1613 01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:42,420 It's going to I can't pay for it all anymore and it's going to change in size instead of 1614 01:49:42,420 --> 01:49:46,360 doing long form stuff about deeply research topics. 1615 01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:51,400 I'm going to change to I think short very short weekly updates. 1616 01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:53,560 Those updates are going to look a little bit like this. 1617 01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:57,160 Like if I had done an update earlier this week it would have been here are the sips 1618 01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:58,160 that gone to vote. 1619 01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:00,400 Here are the sips ideas go out there right now. 1620 01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:05,960 Any sort of news items or updates of a note here and then here are the episodes that I 1621 01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:07,680 did last. 1622 01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:13,040 That might take 10 minutes and I'll post it you know on a Monday and I'll just post a 1623 01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:14,800 weekly 10 minute update. 1624 01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:20,240 I won't be doing in depth topics anymore and because I just won't have the time commitment 1625 01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:23,760 to spend on it. 1626 01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:28,560 I do have a couple more that I want to get through just because I'm I'm really passionate 1627 01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:33,200 about some of these topics I want to get through the next one I'm doing probably next week 1628 01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:36,640 it's going to be what is a foundation company. 1629 01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:40,160 I think I must have spent two months on this episode. 1630 01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:44,720 Go figure spent two months on this episode and it's about the Constitution. 1631 01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:49,600 It's about the the sandbox foundations Constitution. 1632 01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:52,960 It's about what is it about. 1633 01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:57,280 It's about the foundations company the Cayman Islands law. 1634 01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:02,160 What does it actually say and how do you how do we create a foundations company. 1635 01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:04,680 What does that mean to us as San Fam and the Dow. 1636 01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:08,720 How does it actually run and what are all the regulations that we have to abide by. 1637 01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:14,480 So when people say that we're in when Kunta said during his episode three two three and 1638 01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:19,840 four with zero that we're in a gray area of regulatory landscape this is what we're 1639 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:24,440 referring to is the laws that are in place and the regulations that affect the sandbox 1640 01:51:24,440 --> 01:51:25,440 Dow. 1641 01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:32,200 I went and read all those laws and I put together an episode to explain them as best I can to 1642 01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:37,040 kind of show you what is the relevance and what is the importance of these terms that 1643 01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:42,440 we're reading when we say articles association memo association a foundation. 1644 01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:44,920 What does it mean to say limited by guarantee. 1645 01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:45,920 What is a subscriber. 1646 01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,480 What is an exempted company. 1647 01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:51,120 What do the register have to do with anything. 1648 01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:55,600 All the acts and regulations that go with that what fees were paying all of that is 1649 01:51:55,600 --> 01:52:00,080 spelled out in the Cayman Islands law and so I read all read it all. 1650 01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:01,200 I prepared an episode. 1651 01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:02,200 I'm done with it. 1652 01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:03,760 I should be given next week. 1653 01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:08,480 I might do a couple more episodes after that but I'm largely going to to stop doing those 1654 01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:16,800 deep long episodes and just stick to maybe 10 minute weekly updates and that's it. 1655 01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:21,960 I might do some interviews here and there but it's largely just going to be it's going 1656 01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:22,960 to change. 1657 01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:33,000 So yeah if you are a sand fam here's where we gather discord that's the hashtag Dow discussion 1658 01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:38,040 channel there's a sandbox Dow forums which is forum.sandboxdow.com. 1659 01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:43,520 There on Twitch or excuse me on Twitter there's sand fam hashtag sandbox Dow hashtag the sandbox 1660 01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:48,000 game and on YouTube there's a sandbox Dow. 1661 01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:54,520 Lancer YT which is sand down listen and what you're listening to sand fam cafe on Mondays 1662 01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:59,800 is mocha verse hall and Twitter space on Saturdays is Bulls on the block. 1663 01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:06,800 Monday through Friday is coffee with captain and on Tuesdays is well members. 1664 01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:09,800 Weekly digital is what they call it. 1665 01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:14,360 I went back and forth one and I should delete them off the space because you know whatever 1666 01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:18,800 but they're they're they're still a good entity. 1667 01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:23,160 It's just I'm disappointed with the way they voted. 1668 01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:32,040 So I'm going to check the see if anyone is currently on to raid if not we are going to 1669 01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:34,620 conclude. 1670 01:53:34,620 --> 01:53:38,360 Look at the chat what do we got in the chat. 1671 01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:43,740 Denkoy said if I need to think that the whole issue revolves around the 15,000 I kept wondering 1672 01:53:43,740 --> 01:53:46,240 if presented 7.5 would have been approved. 1673 01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:47,940 Yeah oh that we did talk about that. 1674 01:53:47,940 --> 01:53:53,740 Yeah I think it would have been and Roxy Miguel and chat says just two cents here I'd like 1675 01:53:53,740 --> 01:53:59,380 to see you expand more into the gaming ecosystem and not just a Dow I'd love to see you cover 1676 01:53:59,380 --> 01:54:00,380 those places. 1677 01:54:00,380 --> 01:54:04,800 I'm sure you do amazing even though send out slowing down a bit now. 1678 01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:08,400 Hey that's this right here. 1679 01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:11,840 That's where the episodes I wanted to cover. 1680 01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:13,760 Oops that needs to be updated doesn't it. 1681 01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:20,780 Give me just a second I updated this for for what I wanted to do in January. 1682 01:54:20,780 --> 01:54:26,760 This was before before the sip did not pass. 1683 01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:32,880 Let's update this slide real fast and then you will see what I mean. 1684 01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:34,600 Okay there we go. 1685 01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:39,320 So I'm going to do what is a foundation company. 1686 01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:44,300 I'm going to do an episode on reading through the Constitution articles and memos because 1687 01:54:44,300 --> 01:54:49,320 once you read through the Cayman's I came in Islands law all of these other things make 1688 01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:55,080 sense it all the terms become very known it's very very straightforward. 1689 01:54:55,080 --> 01:55:00,840 Then I'm going to do I was going to invite a lawyer from the Cayman Islands to do episode 1690 01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:07,880 on the case law and legal opinion on the questions that still remained like why what is the allure 1691 01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:12,760 of a foundation company some stuff that wasn't obvious when I read the law I was going to 1692 01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:19,400 invite a lawyer on and use you know part of that money from the from the sip but since 1693 01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:22,460 I'm not funded I'm not going to do that anymore I'm just going to read the questions and then 1694 01:55:22,460 --> 01:55:29,880 conclude the episode and I still want to interview Moe who is the 12th delegate I want to do a 1695 01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:32,600 a follow up of magic palette. 1696 01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:37,400 I did want to do a follow up at sandbox Academy however their experience in some difficulties 1697 01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:43,880 right now I'm not sure that's going to happen and then I wanted to do the ecosystem so I 1698 01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:48,100 want to do an episode of the ecosystem and the Dow kind of the way the Dow is propped 1699 01:55:48,100 --> 01:55:54,800 up and structured I want to do how the creators ecosystem worked I want to do how the marketplace 1700 01:55:54,800 --> 01:56:01,840 worked with the catalysts and the minting and all of that and the markets then I want 1701 01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:06,800 to do one on the gamers like how how gaming in the sandbox ecosystem worked and then here's 1702 01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:14,280 the business of the sandbox publishing then I want to do some cross cultural panels and 1703 01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:22,360 some cultural panels so you know Korean Chinese Mandarin that sort of thing but I don't think 1704 01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:28,720 I'm going to get to these last two anymore I don't think I'm going to do I don't think 1705 01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:32,440 I'm going to do the creators the market one anymore I'm going to do the Dow one because 1706 01:56:32,440 --> 01:56:38,320 it's just it's it's pretty simple at this point do and because Roxy you asked for me 1707 01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:45,080 to do one on the gamers I think I think I might do that one but we'll see it depends 1708 01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:49,560 on how much some of these take a long time to research and to get done and if it takes 1709 01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:57,960 too much time and effort then I'm not going to be able to do it and and yeah so I'm going 1710 01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:01,560 to do I'm going to do these three because they're pretty much already done and then 1711 01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:08,140 if I can get Moe I will interview him if Pepe is able to provide an update we'll do a quick 1712 01:57:08,140 --> 01:57:15,440 one there I will do the Dow I might do the gamers and I want to do the business of sandbox 1713 01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:22,480 experience publishing but it takes a lot of a lot of math and preparation to do that so 1714 01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:29,480 I might not get to it anymore most people who know understand in ways and that's it 1715 01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:34,560 I will be a send send out weekly after that 10 minute episodes and and that's all I'll 1716 01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:40,560 be able to do then Koi said in the chat innovate and come back stronger than ever we're excited 1717 01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:51,360 for your renewal well thank you Dan Koi I appreciate that we'll see see it's not it's 1718 01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:56,120 not a no it's just I can't keep going the way I've been going and if I don't have the 1719 01:57:56,120 --> 01:58:05,160 fine to keep going I have to do something different and yeah not sad just just dealing 1720 01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:13,960 with how things how things go and that's all we have today we talked about sip 18 the downfall 1721 01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:20,500 of the Sandel podcast sip a fifteen thousand dollar sip that was supposed to fund or was 1722 01:58:20,500 --> 01:58:27,760 requesting to fund 15 more episodes off of our now 55 episodes from the Sandel podcast 1723 01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:34,520 unfortunately it was not funded and we went over all the reasons why so thank you all 1724 01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:45,160 for your time appreciate Dan Koi and and Roxy Miguel in chat thank you so much I'm going 1725 01:58:45,160 --> 01:58:54,600 to is there anyone on I can I can raid yep there's a someone someone who's not sandbox 1726 01:58:54,600 --> 01:59:04,640 related but someone that is a friend that I twitch friend Damien's gaming so we're 1727 01:59:04,640 --> 01:59:15,680 going to raid Damien's gaming and yeah it's not sad but ultimately life's going to be 1728 01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:34,960 okay we're going to be alright thank you all by San Fam