Hello everyone, Sandow Podcast number 55.
Today is January 9th.
It's our first one in the new year.
2025.
A lot has happened.
A lot has been happening over the past month for the Dow.
And today we're going to be talking about SIP number 18, which is the Sandow Podcast
SIP.
So the one you're listening to right now.
We propose the funding of 15 more episodes.
And as you can see from the thumbnail, spoiler alert, it did not go as expected.
So today isn't a read through of SIP number 18.
It's an after reaction report, a hot wash, a debrief to just walk through what happened
and a little bit of commentary thrown in.
I do not represent Sandbox Game or the Sandbox Foundation.
I'm not your legal or financial advisor and nothing I say is retaken as legal or financial
advice.
When I say the word SIP, I mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal.
When I say the word Dow, I mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization.
When I refer to Sandfam, I'm referring to the Sandbox community, those who participate
in the people, product and purpose of the ecosystem.
That ecosystem, according to me, looks a little bit like this.
We've got the people, everyone from a gamer to the Sandbox team, product, everything from
the game client to the Dow and the purpose, which is a white paper and all the things
that the senior leadership of Sandbox has said to clarify why the Sandbox exists.
All that together equals the ecosystem.
It spins around and around every single day, all of us trying to just figure it out and
do what we can.
This episode centers around both the participants, also I should say the Dow delegates and the
actual Dow itself.
Scoreboard is...
I did update this slide.
So we have zero SIPs for voting, 10 SIPs approved, nine SIPs not approved.
Which is now SIP number 18, I'd say.
It's Sandow Podcast did not pass, so it is now 10 SIPs approved, nine SIPs not approved.
And a number of SIPs on draft that are going to go to vote, one of which is the establishing
of the community council, which was written by the Sandbox Dow admin team and also co-authored
by myself.
The team selection for the UGC platform is still awaiting to go to vote, so unsure when
that'll be.
And for the Dow checkbook, because the SIP 18 did not pass, the checkbook remains unaffected
at 2.3 million Sand of our 15 point Sand million budget having been spent, 15%.
We're at 211,000 token holders, 2,200 voters, almost 10,000 votes.
I'm Lancer, Sandow Podcast host, also president of the MetaWorlds group, which we have published
two experiences.
One was a Game Maker Fund 2023 called Lava Defense, and one was a Builders Challenge
one called Floor Droppers, which was just featured in Alpha Season 4.
Today we'll be talking about SIP number 18, which is funding 15 more episodes for the
Sandow Podcast.
Sandow Podcast is what you're listening to right now.
It is an educational and news show, all specifically about the Sandbox Dow, all the things that
happened, all the new updates, interviewing authors and all sorts of things.
We're at 55 episodes in about five, five months.
So we're going to go through from beginning to end what happened, and then we'll end with
surfing through the forums discussions to see what the comments were.
And then we will go through what happens next for Sandow Podcast.
So here's the first thing was I made an announcement video of requesting vote from the community.
So we'll go through that first, then we'll read through the proposal details, talk about
the council's negative recommendation.
Then we will go through the voting results and how some early knows kind of set the stage.
There's mixed delegate voting, and then the nail in the coffin was the Wellvault 7.6 million
no vote, which tipped the scale from a majority yes to a no.
And then a spoiler that was my fault entirely.
Didn't expect to happen that way, but it did.
And then the forum discussion, which was one of, if not the most responded to discussion
thread in the Sandbox Dow forums.
It generated so much discussion debate.
I think we really figured out a lot of what we were looking for out of a sip out of that.
And how we wanted to spend our resources.
So let's look at the announcement video first.
And here's what I made up about a month ago, right, right before the sip went to vote.
Hey, Sam fam, my name is Lancer.
I want to talk to you about SIP 19, an educational and news podcast all about the sandbox Dow.
I started the Sandow Podcast as a way to discuss the launch of the Dow with the community.
Our episodes range from interviews with special counsel and advisory board members to official
delegates.
Topics cover land ownership and voting.
And we've covered almost every sip plus an interview with the sip author if they were
available.
We also go over other community reactions with community members.
We just celebrated our 50th episode covering how the Dow admin team has been delivering
on transparency goals to the community.
We published 50 episodes in only five and a half months, which is about one episode every
three days.
Our 34 guests have answered over 400 questions and reception from San Fam has been very humbling.
The audience has watched over a thousand hours of content with thousands of social media
engagements and hundreds of podcast episode downloads.
By far the most impressive stat we've reached is up to 27 live viewers when live streaming
our episodes.
These are really good numbers for a Twitch live stream as most channels don't average
above five viewers.
I want to pause right there and that is actually one of my low key most the results that I
was most excited about.
It's really, really hard to get above five viewers right now.
This episode alone has two when you're listening to right now and we were able to get over
20 three times and over 10, I don't know, probably half a dozen more.
Hey Roxy.
Hola amigo mi gente.
And so we were able to get almost 30.
That was the magic palette episode with Pepe when we did the, I think the demo and also
the interview with Mia Bao, who's a advisory board member.
And then our interview with Bruno also known as Pickaxe Master, who is a very well known
developer and also host of Sand Fam Cafe.
So those were really cool and Sandbox has always been kind of a Twitch heavy community
in addition to Discord.
So we're going to keep going with the video.
We're requesting funds to scale Sandel podcast for a larger audience, which means more guests,
deeper analysis, more platforms, basically to do it bigger and better.
I myself am no stranger to podcasts having run five shows since 2016, which is over a
hundred episodes.
I myself have been Sand Fam since 2021.
I'm a gamer, landowner, studio publisher of mini game experiences like Floor Droppers,
which is currently in Alpha season four.
And I'm a part of many different web three families.
I send her my podcast around the Sandbox dial touching frequently on the Sandbox ecosystem.
That Sandbox ecosystem episode 31 is my favorite one of all time.
I love that one the most.
This is coincidentally one of my top viewed episodes alongside my interview with Seb,
my first episode with Andy Rich in Hottle Hill and episode looking into how the Dow
came to be called the birth of a Sandbox Dow.
I also my top five is an interview with Touche after he took a step from the Sandbox back
in October.
I normally don't look at views for the show and for the podcast SIP itself, I did end
up having to look at the views to account for the numbers.
I didn't actually realize that episode 31 entered the Sandbox ecosystem was my highest
viewed by far.
It was higher, even higher than my interview with Seb and episode eight.
I was surprised as anyone because the ecosystem was even though it was the most fun, it was
kind of can be maybe not something everyone wants to pay attention to, but apparently
they do.
And then my third one was, so my second highest viewed episode was Sebastian Bourget, the
co-founder and COO of Sandbox.
My third highest was the Community Reaction part one, so very first episode with Andy
Rich in Hottle Hill.
Just trying to figure out what the heck the Dow was May 28th when it started.
And my fourth episode, surprising me out of everyone really, was episode 34, which was
the birth of the Sandbox Dow.
It was a very long one, but it pretty much kind of showed the relationships and how the
Dow came to be in terms of timeline, like which faces did what to bring the Dow online
and culminated in the relationship map, which looks a little bit like, a little bit like
this one right here.
So I started out there and it's kind of the unveiling of that.
But that was a pretty, that was a critical one, somewhat critical one of the Dow because
I had to do all that work myself.
And at the time I wasn't getting much information from the Dow admin team, so I had to do it
myself.
So that was the height of my criticism, I'd say, against the Dow before Kunta came online
and started really repairing relationships and opening the Dow up.
And then episode 30, one of my newer ones was with Tuche, who when he announced that
he was withdrawing, just taking a step back, was able to secure an exit interview with
them, let's call it.
And I hope one day he returns.
Alright, let's go back to the video.
Is an interview with Tuche after he took a step from the Sandbox back in October.
We've come a long way since episode one, and I would appreciate your yes vote on SIP number
19, finding an educational news podcast about the Sandbox Dow.
Thanks, San Fam.
Actually, it was SIP 18.
The reason why it says SIP 19, just like my other one said, SIP 17, it just said 16,
is because when the actual SIP went online at first, they told me it was SIP 19.
And then because one of SIP 18, whatever it was supposed to be, didn't go through, they
ended up pumping it to SIP 18.
So by this time, I'd already made the video and voting had started happening.
Anyways, so that is the little short two minute video I put out to everyone to say, hey, please,
please vote, vote.
And they did.
Let's go to the proposal details.
We're just going to go this one pretty, pretty fast because it's all after the fact now.
Okay, so you can see the results right here at the top.
No, after 14 days, the no carried the yes vote at 57%.
The no carried the final vote at 57%, 22.6 million no.
Yes vote came in at 42%, 16.9 million.
Only 0.18% abstained or 71,000.
Voting started December 24th, it ended January 8th.
Alright, so the SIP 18 was to finance 15 episodes of the Sandow podcast.
You'll notice right away the council recommendation is negative.
I am not the first one to receive a negative.
I think five other SIPs, about five other SIPs have received a negative.
The description read, the council does not support funding this proposal due to concerns
about cost efficiency and performance relative to existing initiatives.
The Sandow podcast budget request of 1000 per episode is significantly higher than the
production costs of the sandbox dials digging in the sand, its podcast, which is produced
for less than 400 per episode.
Additionally, performance data shows that 48 of the 50 Sandow podcast episodes have
achieved fewer views in the last three episodes of DITS, which garnered an average of 106
views per episode on YouTube total of 317.
While the Sandow podcast has made notable contributions to the community, this proposal
lacks evidence of scalability or a clear plan to deliver superior results compared to existing
dial supportive initiatives.
I'm going to skip ahead a little bit because I knew this.
I knew that there was going to get negative during separation.
The old process before they went to the new one, you knew what you're, what you were going
to get.
So they had told me that I was going to get a negative recommendation and they asked me
if I wanted to continue with the process knowing that.
One SIP author once upon a time said, no, that's why there's one withdrawn and on the
scoreboard.
I said, yes, I was confident that the community saw the value in Sandow podcast.
So I wrote up a short little blurb in the problem description to address that directly.
And here's what I wrote back and in response.
DITS has the advantage, Dating in the Sand podcast, which is official Sandbox style podcast
has the advantage of Sandbox branding.
Sandow has received little to no reposting from the Sandbox account and was forced to
build everything from scratch.
The highest Sandbox style video has 215 views.
Sandow's highest is only 25 views less than that.
Sandow streams episodes live to Twitch and has exceeded 20 plus live viewers about four
times and about 10 plus live viewers 15 times.
Scalability will be achieved by expanding the team to reach audiences not yet accessed.
$1,000 per episode supports editors, editors living, excuse me.
The $1,000 per episode supports editors earning a livable wage interpreters for international
guests such as Sebga, French, who spoke French and need an interpreter for him.
Episode number 38 or Meta Futura, which was an Italian guest and the interpreter for and
that was episode 24 and other experiences near necessary to operate a business.
That was my response to them.
What something I didn't and I wasn't trying to pick a fight, but something that I didn't
know was that the $400 per episode is likely well below what is actually being paid because
there's full time staff on Diggin' in the Sand podcast and you know, 400 per episode
is seems far, far too low.
And also they're counting every episode on the Diggin' in the Sand podcast to include
the non podcast episodes.
And that's how they get this average of 106 views per episode.
If you don't count them, it's much closer to like 50.
So yeah, it's unfortunate that they worded it like this because the numbers are off to
a degree that I would consider significant and it set the stage for what happened next.
Alright, so we're going to keep going.
I had the little I started with the thumbnail of Seb episode eight and here's the what.
This proposal seeks funding for the production of 15 episodes of the Sandow podcast.
These episodes aim to expand the reach and quality of the podcast by improving audio
visual production and diversifying the content with a new social media format.
The project plans to scale the podcast distribution to eight new platforms, including TikTok,
Tube Shorts, and Dora to broaden its audience and increase engagement across multiple channels.
Why?
The Sandow podcast has successfully contributed to the Sandbox ecosystem by offering in-depth
discussions with SIPP authors, Dow delegates, the Sandbox team members.
To further strengthen the SandboxDow community, there is a need for increased professional
production quality and wider distribution to address gaps in engagement and participation.
By improving the podcast format and expand its presence, it aims to address current challenges
like low Dow voting participation and send fam sentiment toward the Dow, which at the
time was dismal.
I wrote this SIPP five or six months ago back in about July timeframe and it was rough.
It was really, really rough.
And I, you can look at episode 31 and 34.
I go over that quite a bit in Birth of SandboxDow.
I already talked about that earlier with this episode where the height of my criticism was
not a lot of transparency.
And go look also at SandboxDow's official podcast.
It's episode one where they screen share all 300, 200 survey results.
And it's just, we don't feel like we're being heard.
There's not enough transparency.
It was rushed.
And then Cyril and Kunta go through, they address those questions and results and really
provide the transparency that we're looking for.
So really good on them.
Okay.
And then I'll just kind of skim through the rest of this.
So how are we going to do it?
We're going to hire additional team members, including an assistant, a source creator to
reach audiences that I haven't been reaching and create some of that bite-sized content.
I already did have someone start creating that, just kind of leaning forward.
And so it's going to come out of my pocket now because we didn't ultimately get funded.
But I do have a couple TikToks, Reels, and YouTube shorts that are going to come out
of this regardless.
And kind of reach a larger audience.
That way it balances my long-form content with short-term content.
Okay.
And me, I'm the one that runs the podcast, as I already introduced myself.
We're a trusted partner of Sandbox.
We've been involved since 2021.
And I already mentioned Floor Droppers.
There's the rest of the team.
Here was a little thumbnail, put together what I would do with the funding.
I was going to bring on more guests, do some deeper analyses into all sorts of things like
the Constitution.
And then here are all the extra platforms, which as I responded to one message in the
forums comes with the RSS.com package.
It's manual, so I didn't have the time to do it all by myself.
Hence the podcast assistant that we were going to pay for to go through all the peculiarities
of Pandora and YouTube shorts and Deezer and iHeartRadio and all the different stuff they
needed.
This one I already showed earlier is the high amount of viewers that we got.
Who read that?
Roxy, what were you referring to?
Who read what?
And then the sub-details, it's really an expounded on the TLDR.
It just addresses need for better communication.
We've contributed valuable content so far, everything from interviews to analyses.
We covered all the news events, like when the SIP process changed.
We went over, here's the changes, and then we went through a dry run, a rehearsal of
the actual application itself.
I've interviewed advisory board members, special counsel, and community members.
We've covered the whole gamut of the Dao, and we paid for it ourselves, so it was free
to everyone else.
We ended up producing 54, 50 or 54 episodes in five months.
We just went over this one.
And Ditz, the Diggin' in the Sand podcast, has been around for about a month now, whereas
Sandow has been around for somewhere closer to five, six months.
And then the proposed solution was to do 50 more episodes, but increase the quality, increase
the team to do a better job.
Here's some stats.
And it's the same thumbnail that I referenced in the beginning video.
All this 39 episodes in five months, it ended up being something closer to 50.
By the time I actually get to today, this was written a while ago, so I had to continually
update it until it got to vote.
And available on many different platforms, 16 guests answering 180 questions.
I think I'm up to something like 30 guests now, and something closer to 300 or 400 questions.
A lot of hundreds of hours of watched content, thousands of likes, retweets, episode downloaded
a few hundred times, and I've been doing this since 2016.
There's some milestones that were proposed and agreed upon from the team, myself and
the DAO admin team, and some stipulations.
Budget breakdown.
It was, here's the team, the material costs and all that.
I wasn't asking for any money to reimburse on stuff I already bought, like this microphone
right here, and this nice little set behind me.
I wasn't asking for anything like that.
That was all future things like premium accounts for XYZ that got me a lot more usability and
functionality.
Things that I felt I needed to really do a good job.
And previous episodes, we've covered everyone from special counselor, advisory board, delegates,
landowners and voting, news and landowner interviews, SIP authors and SIP demos even,
community reactions.
Risk analysis.
I mean, it was very, very, very low.
Low threat risk analysis.
Here is an example of the demo we did with Pepe for Sandow 15.
It was a three part episode where we showcased what Magic Palette did.
Really cool.
I love it.
Really looking forward to it.
And with 50 episodes already published, we provide in-depth insight into many, many different
things.
And the only Achilles heel of this show is that it's very long form.
So I tend to present everything I have.
And so the episodes that I was going to fund were really going to cut down on that to something
that I couldn't, I didn't have the time to do myself, which was the editing.
It already takes five hours to prepare and there's only so much I'm willing to spend
per day to produce free content.
So this was to bring on the team needed to really make it digestible.
Cut down a 40 minute episode down to two or three, one or two minute videos.
That's something I did for episode 30 and I'll post that now because it's already paid
for it.
Just, yep, I was preparing the team to do that.
And then all sorts of stuff about potential and brand identity and connections and here's
the team and there's the end of it.
So that was a all in all pretty straightforward podcasts.
Everyone already kind of knows what it is that I do.
And I wanted funding for 15 more episodes at 1000 an episode or about 15,000.
And my secret plan was to stretch that out to something like 20 or 25 episodes.
I was already talking with the vendors and the freelancers that I was working with to
have more bulk discount deals, but I hadn't secured that by the time this went to vote.
I only had their public rates that you get off Fiverr and Upwork.
So I didn't want to promise something I couldn't deliver on.
So I left it at 1000 per episode.
That doesn't matter now, but that's what was going to happen.
Okay, so let's go into the results.
So here's the voting mixture.
Right off the bat you see, oops, there we go.
Right off the bat you see the big one.
Well Vault.eth 7.6 million voting power.
And we'll get into that one last.
Is that right there is the story.
But rest of the delegates all voted their conscience, all voted yes, no based on many,
many different variables.
They each gave really, really insightful feedback.
Like that was the winning thing out of all this was just how involved the delegates were.
And I felt like they gave me their fair consideration.
And each one had a different reason for voting yes or no.
They kind of split down the middle voting yes or no.
Almost half yes, half no.
And each one said something different.
We'll get into the forum here a little bit later.
But we'll just click through these real fast.
Hit pause if you are interested in reading the full message.
You can see that some of them are citing yes or no based on talking to different community
members.
Some of them are citing yes and no based on the cost.
Some of them say it's too expensive.
Some of them say it's a deal, it's a bargain.
And some of them say that, well, I don't support because the council doesn't support.
Each one had a different reason and that was really cool to see.
It felt like each person really did give this fair consideration.
Some of them mentioned, like you just read there, that it wouldn't be fair to other streamers
just singling out Sandel Podcast.
Roxy's in the chat right now.
This one's Roxy's.
And go look at Sandel Podcast 54 from a few days ago.
We finally got to interview Roxy Miguel as a delegate and we briefly went over that.
And then our last delegate.
So they had a wide, wide range of opinions, very wide.
And that was cool.
That told me the system was working as intended.
So I didn't fault anyone at all for their yes no vote at that point.
It was up to me to make the case.
So it was pretty much split down the middle.
However, what was not split down the middle was well vault.Eath.
Now well vault, I have, I've, I talked about them, I talked about them before on the Sandel
Podcast.
At the end of every episode, we have the spaces and the spaces talk about the different places
that Sandfam gathers.
Well, where does Sandfam gather?
One of them is Natively Digital right there.
Well members.
So they've been around for quite some time.
And let's go to the map.
And they are a major investor in the sandbox.
They own about 1600 lands, which is 7 million voting power.
So you can find them down in the bottom right next to Atari, all that.
They're pretty big.
So we're going to get into that little story right now because that story is a lesson.
You know, and I'll let you decide whether it's a good or bad lesson.
It has, it has both.
Okay.
So let's, we're going to get, we're going to get into this, but you know what?
I realized I already talked about it in the forums.
So we're going to find that post and then there it is.
Big update.
All right.
So here, here's how this went down.
The reason why Sandel Podcast SIP failed was because of the 7.6 million votes that went
to no by the, by, by whale Dow, which is the, which was the body behind whale vault, but
it's actually controlled by the whale council.
We'll get into that.
So the big thing to know here is that they have 7.6 million voting power.
And if you had, if you subtract 22.6 minus 7.6, you get 15.
So the yes, 16.9 can't see what I'm right here.
The yes, the 16.9 would have won had it not been for the 7.6 million vote.
No by well wall.
But let's get into reason why, because the reason why is far more important than the
actual than what actually just the math of it.
I am completely to blame here.
And the reason why I'm completely to blame is because back in Magic Palette, so SIP number
six, this one right here was Pepe.
It was largely, it was almost universally accepted.
Everyone supported it, that sort of thing.
One of the back then, Quorum was really hard to maintain.
See that right there, 103%.
He barely got it.
And we were almost every 50% of the SIPs were getting rejected because we didn't have Quorum.
So one of the big voters, we were all trying to find out who can we ask to get votes.
One of the big voters was well vault.
No one really knew much about him, that sort of thing.
So Pepe reached out to well vault.
And I interviewed him a number of times, he's, I think my most interviewed SIP author at
this point.
But well vault ultimately said no to Pepe because they were concerned about wallet security.
And they're connecting their 1500 lands to snapshot and then something bad happening.
All right, so he gets to know, I joined well members to support him because we all want
Magic Palette to pass, but I quickly learned that they're not going to come off that rationale.
It makes sense.
So I wasn't going to try and convince them after that.
And at the same time, I interviewed Arthmort, who for SIP number eight was trying to become
the curator for the Sandbox Dalles future artwork collection.
Okay.
That's okay, that's okay.
I know very little about the art world.
So I am, I'm learning here.
So Providence is a word and it talks about lineage like aura and ancestry and that's
what gives it value is its history and its connection to lineage.
Yes.
Exactly.
And sometimes a more broader example is when celebrities are somehow.
So that, I knew nothing, I knew nothing about art and that really piqued my interest.
And it just happened to coincide with me going to well members who is very artwork centric.
Like well members, first and foremost are a bunch of art enthusiasts.
So I stayed because they were, I wanted to learn more about art.
I wanted to figure out like, what was this all about?
You know, ordinals and you know, what, what was the value of cool artwork on the blockchain,
that sort of stuff.
It didn't change until a month or two later at the end of September when the whale council,
who is the people leadership of whale members announced the start of their, their Dow.
And that would be this one here, the whale Dow, which is an omniversal members club that
unites, excites, and engages its members on the longterm digital renaissance of art and
culture.
Okay, cool.
That's awesome.
So they announced their Dow that same day.
I'm, I am so excited when I see that I become the most excitable eager beaver of all time
and I, I write a sip up a sip.
I write a, a whale improvement proposal.
They call it wavy.
I wrote up its first proposal that same day.
I submitted it and the proposal basically said to establish a structured approach for
whale vault dot ETH to vote in the sandbox Dow.
At the time we were still struggling with quorum.
So I really, really wanted to solve the quorum problem.
That was my first and foremost right there.
Solve the quorum problem.
All right.
That proposal passed with a hundred percent of the vote, 31 people voted for it, 2.2 million.
Yes.
All right.
All it did was say, we want whale vault to vote with its 7 million voting power in the
sandbox Dow.
And at the time we had failed 50% of our sips.
So at the eight sips at the time I wrote this, four of them had failed.
Quorum was a big deal at that part.
And the process was very, very simple.
It was, they were going to create a sip discord channel and three days later the proposal,
within the three days of this proposal passing, and then whenever a sip was going to post
to snapshot, I would then copy paste the TLDR section to the whale discord and discussion
wouldn't sue for seven days.
At the end of those seven days, whale council then decides what their vote's going to be,
having taken any community sentiment and reactions.
And then by the ninth day, they issue their vote.
And then there's a contingency, should it not.
After that, it's a zero dollar sip, or dang it, a zero dollar proposal, very simple.
And yeah, it passes.
Cool.
So when it passes, it was originally structured to operate the same way SebDow was, which
is just copy the proposal and then whatever was on snapshot gets reflected into our sandbox
style sip.
But I was, I was convinced to do what I just described to you with the discord, emoji reaction
discussion way.
And so I was persuaded to change it and I did the TLDR emoji reaction thing and all
of that.
So it gets implemented, SIP 16 and 17 are underway.
And so we use that as a test case.
The timing didn't work out, so we, we weren't able to, they weren't able to vote on it,
but they were able to, they were able to vote for the next sip, which was sip 18, which
was Sandow podcast.
I promise I did not time it like that.
The Sandow podcast sip was written back in July and it took many, many months of curation
to get us there.
I had no control over when it was going to go to vote.
It just so happened that happened to be the first one that they could really vote on,
unfortunately for me.
So I do the saying, I do the thing.
I copy paste what I was supposed to.
Here's the TLDR.
As you can see, I left my personal opinion out.
I did not say whether or not they should or shouldn't vote in the actual notification.
All I did was just copy paste.
I did notify them.
I am the author of this one.
So I self disclose and then here's the discussion link.
And as you can see, there was a, an obvious yes vote that was, that was accrued and there
wasn't a lot of discussion had after that.
So when that happened, when that happened, that was new year's day, the seven discussion,
the seven day discussion window closes and I submit the results to the whale council
and well, those are results.
Five yeses, one abstain, zero nos.
And it might show one no there and two abstains, but because I'm, I'm the post officer here,
I had to click one and I wasn't voting abstain or no.
So we minus one from each of those.
It's five yes, one abstain, zero no.
And so I dev, I evolved that too, just to make sure everyone cannot accuse me of being,
being unfair or whatever.
So it was a majority yes.
But there wasn't much discussion those seven days.
I think I might've got a thumbs up on one of the chats to say, Hey, cool.
Thanks for posting.
But there was no discussion.
But then at the end of the seven days, the whale council response that they chose to
vote no, they chose to vote no.
And they, at the time they cited the special council's negative recommendation and also
they referenced some of the negative, some of the no rationales of other voters in the
discourse discussion thread.
I am surprised and upset because as SIPP author, as the author of the proposal that generated
this process, I know that that emoji process was an important part.
It was the only metric that we had to say actually how many people supported the discussions
were just that as people talking to, which there weren't any.
So I had nothing else to go off of except that.
And so the whale council decided to vote no for, for reasons as they explained.
I didn't know those reasons beforehand.
I didn't know that they were going to vote no.
I didn't know that they, they, they thought that way.
So I was surprised and that effectively tanked the proposal right there.
7.6 million in the negative.
And all I could do at that point was just reiterate, I think it's worthwhile.
It's literally 0.3% of the $4 million budget, $15,000.
$15,000.
Okay.
And I've already published 54 episodes.
So we, we know I'm going to do more.
We know that.
And I've demonstrated my commitment.
I'm homegrown.
I'm independent.
I don't answer to the special counsel or anyone else.
I am, I'm able to produce content that is fair and has integrity.
So I asked for the yes vote and wasn't able to overturn that no vote and the sip failed.
So that right there is, are the results.
That's going through everything.
It was a very sad moment for me.
It's very, very sad.
And at the end of the day, I feel, you know, I'm going to survive.
We're going to be fine.
Sandel podcast is going to change.
And as you see in the discussion forums here soon, we're going to change and we're going
to scale down our operations because I've been paying for all of this myself.
So I'm not going to continue paying for it in the same way.
So that those are the results.
Very disappointing, very sad.
But ultimately I understand a lot of people, so many people gave me their rationale.
And even if I didn't agree, I did get why they voted no.
And I understood.
Makes sense.
So let's get into the forum discussion.
So the forum discussion was fascinating.
The most interesting part about all of this was that, here it is.
One of the most responded to in the whole Dow, because it drew in everybody and all
of their interests.
And you'll see why here in a second had 105, 105 people responded to it.
Awesome.
It was great discussions.
Okay.
So all here, here's the sip.
We already went over that.
All right.
So I started off with, uh, intern starts off with great to see it.
I've seen quite a number and then gives me some of his concerns.
I say, yep, absolutely.
And I, we talked through those concerns.
Most of his concerns were that I wasn't able, I didn't reprice it in USD and that viewership
is low and reducing the episode's duration being long form.
Okay.
So I ended up addressing that pretty early.
I figured out a new way to make it easier to, and shorter by, by taking some things
out of the, out of my normal podcast and which we'll get into that later.
What is the way forward?
And then we start talking, we start talking and Kurt Rado KCL talks about how the format's
too long.
A number of episodes is kind of overwhelming and it's not really proven.
It doesn't reach enough people and, uh, clarify some things.
So we go through that.
All right.
And I kind of explain here that professionalizing it means that, that paying some money more
than what I can pay for by myself.
I can't pay 15,000 more for this podcast.
And we, we turn professional by paying professional teammates to take work off my plate to do things
better than I can.
And yep.
And if not, if we can't get funded, then the current level of quality is all I have time
and money to do by myself.
And then more discussion comes about, um, talking through, um, HMAD talks about how
instead of reducing its budget, we should explore ways to grow the listenership.
Cool.
So we're, we're already starting to see some, some discussions take hold about, well, is
this really good to, to fund when it's too long to digest and it doesn't reach enough
people and it's not expensive per episode, which based on my research, it's not.
If you Google how much is a podcast actually, um, what is the average cost of a podcast?
And that's one of the responses.
It's a thousand is on the lower end, unless you're bootstrapping like I was in case you
could get out the door for almost for free.
Um, so talk about cross-referencing and yeah, how I got this idea, I think it was episode
like 20 something where I started putting in cross references of episodes that I've
already done.
So for this episode 34, I was talking about the Dow relationship map.
And then when I got to the ecosystem, I would say, Hey, go, go look at episode 31 for the
whole ecosystem thing.
Here's a synopsis.
And then when we got to episode, sips number one, two and three, I covered that in episode
33.
So I started doing a lot of cross cross-referencing.
Um, the episodes really start building on themselves and I'm, I'm in, I'm in the stride by then.
Okay.
We're start talking about cross-referencing still.
And that's where we started talking about how I'm going to, I'm going to start introducing
bite-sized content.
So the Schwartz creator, adding that person to the team here is the vote for vote vote
for the SIP that we looked at the very, very beginning.
And one of the delegates talks about how the viewership is limited, the breach is limited.
And I talk about how at the height of 2021 Sam sandbox podcast, sandbox videos, we're
getting about a thousand a day.
But nowadays if you go YouTube search sandbox videos, most are getting a hundred maybe.
And so the real, the real story was its engagement on Twitch and Twitter, which thousands of
reposts and a couple dozen live viewers.
And that, that was really, really cool.
Yeah.
Roxy said in chat that it backfired on me.
It absolutely backfired on me.
It's so backfired on me.
The whale vote, the whale vault was the whale members were not obligated to vote yes for
me just because I was giving them TLDRs.
I didn't ask them to, I went out of my way to ensure that I didn't, I didn't use that
official TLDR message to influence the vote.
I certainly have my own, I certainly advocated for myself in the discussion part where I
could use my, I could talk my personal opinion, but, but not the official notification.
So but yeah, you're right.
It totally backfired.
They ended up voting for the first time ever.
And yep, it went, it went, no, it went bad for me.
So the whale proposal, Roxy says that they are to vote every, every sip from now on.
So we'll see how they're, how they vote going forward.
All right, and more discussions about viewership.
And this is where I addressed the council's negative recommendation.
So the council's recommendation, I already read it.
And then I read my, I already read my, my section or talk about how Sandow has received
little to no reposting until Kunta came.
When Kunta came as the new communications manager, he and I started referencing each
other a lot more because he and I agreed that we're not in competition with each other.
This is not a competition.
We are growing the pie together.
I bring in long form content, deep analysis, deeply researched.
He brings in the, the official name and he's able to see it internal and bring them out
to give them a proper space to discuss their rationale.
And they've been doing that.
And it's been awesome.
My podcast isn't centered around that sort of stuff.
It's centered around ecosystem things.
So and then, and then also we're very comparable.
Like their highest video and my highest video, I was only 25 views less than that.
That's a, that's, that's tiny, very, very tiny.
It's very small gap.
And man, the Twitch support is just phenomenal.
Like right now, thank you Roxy for participating.
Twitch support has been phenomenal.
That to me was the real story.
Like we've been a Twitch community for quite some time.
So it was so cool to see that.
And then, and then I addressed the thousand bucks per episode.
Oh yeah.
Anyways, I didn't think that the 400 bucks per episode really accounted for all of, all
of everyone's time and effort.
And when I looked on Upwork and Fiverr, they charge very reasonable rates and that, I mean,
I couldn't, I didn't want to lose money, you know, I want to actually pay them, ask the
SIP dollar for what I could pay.
And then, oh yeah, like I said, we compliment each other.
We're, we're not in competition.
And at the end of the day, it's 0.3% man.
$15,000 on a 15.5 million San budget.
That's about anywhere from four to $8 million USD, depending on what the trading, what the
exchange rate is of sand.
Very small, very small.
And then talk about more stuff about relevancy.
This, this one, I was really, this one resonated with me.
Crypto Diplo's post here really resonated with me.
I, I choose my words carefully here.
The early days of the Dow were what they were.
It's well documented on this podcast exactly what and why and how that all happened and
what my opinion is of it.
I agree that I have a fundamentally different viewpoint than, than the sandbox special counsel
and the Dow itself.
And I have been a strong advocate for transparency, disclosure and decentralization.
And right now the Dow is undergoing a transition from kind of a centralization approach to
more progressively decentralized.
And we're getting there.
But in the early days, it didn't seem like we were getting there fast enough.
And it seemed like we were, we weren't sure what was going on.
So anyways, I really appreciated this comment because I felt like it, it represented my,
my viewpoint.
And in many cases, I wouldn't exactly say that I think we should disregard their, their
viewpoint.
But we, we know, we've known for a long time that the special counsel has not exactly been
keeping up with the day to day of the Dow.
So their negative opinion, their negative recommendation isn't necessarily informed
by what I would say.
People who understand the nuances of, of our Dow.
And that's because they're very good reasons.
They have lives, they have things they're doing.
They are running, some of them are running humongous multinational corporations.
Like, I get it.
They have other things they're doing, but they issued a negative recommendation and
I feel like it was not telling the complete picture.
So also that part there, I have been critical of the Dow early on, and I'm sure they did
not earn me a lot of friends within the Dow itself.
I think I've since, I've since apologized to Cyril for, for not giving him more grace
and patience and that sort of thing.
I'm pretty sure the relationship between myself and the Dow admin team is repaired to the
extent that it can be.
But I'm sure I did not earn a ton of friends when I was, when I was critical of the Dow
and what I saw were contradictions and, and things that just weren't adding up.
I've since changed my opinion big time.
CUNTA has really done the world, done us so good with transparency and really giving Cyril
and the Dow admin team a place to discuss.
And that, that's really appreciated.
So appreciated.
Look at a few, I've covered all other episodes at this point.
Just look at a few episodes back and you'll see all the episodes that I've covered for
them, especially episode one.
Episode one is the big one.
Okay.
And then more talk about, yeah, here's CUNTA saying exactly what he and I have been, what
he and I have been saying for a while now, we are not in, we are not in competition with
each other.
We, we are trying to build the ecosystem together.
And CUNTA has, has never, that I, that I know of, he has never tried to pit me against anyone.
He's not taken away from me in that regard at all.
And he's just been a good partner to, you know, the Sandow podcast and the Sandbox Dow
Digging in the Sand podcast.
And we, we compliment each other and we don't have to be the same thing.
And it's okay.
We can both exist.
So he has remained wholly neutral and he did not give me any unfair competitive advantages
or anything like that.
So yeah, I really appreciated the way he handled it.
And here's his response to Crypto Diplo talking about the mistrust that he saw there.
And I agree with both of them, just there's, there's, there's a lot of nuance.
If you've been in the community, you know, there's a lot of nuance there and everyone's
trying to do their best and we're doing better every day and we're building together as an
ecosystem.
Yeah, that's right.
I have two SIPs.
One was a zero dollar SIP, which was SIP 14.
That one did pass.
That was to have an end game equipment filter.
I also did that podcast before, Sandbox podcast episode on that before.
All right.
So then, yeah, I confirm Kunta has not given me any preferential treatment, nor would I
want him to.
To me, that's a short term game for a long term damage.
And I was not, nope, not, did not want that.
Nor did Kunta ever offer anything like that.
He did end up critiquing my SIP because of his vast experience in podcasting.
So my original proposal was much bigger than this.
I had, I was going to give something like 30 or 60 episodes.
The cost was higher and the team was bigger, but then they negotiate me down to 15 and
15 episodes and 1000 costs per episode.
Okay.
And then old one talks about on another delegate talks about his perspective and how Sandow
podcast isn't going to solve the lack of attention given to the sandbox.
And I completely agree.
My episodes weren't going to fix the vast, the small viewership.
It was going to keep the community informed.
It was going to keep going with education and updates.
That's really what this was.
Intern, another delegate starts talking about their perspective and yeah, I really, I really
appreciate each delegates input.
It was very helpful.
And Kuscha who is a fellow content creator talks about their perspective and concerns
mostly about just solely focusing on the Sandow podcast and not, and not maybe things that
are pertinent to the game or to other, other content creators.
I understand Kuscha's point.
I don't agree with it, but ultimately I was, I was grateful for the discussion.
Yeah.
Sebga and Kuscha then have a, have a discussion.
Roxy comes in, starts another delegate and starts talking about reaching quorum.
Oh, that was a to Kuscha to just vote to reach quorum and good discussion there talking about
quorum and how we want to reach it as best we can.
And more discussion about the commitment I have.
And I was very, very committed and delegations.
So you can see these conversations just start going in many different places.
The SIP, it wasn't just about the SIP.
It was about people's beliefs.
This is one of the first ones that people really got to take a hold of as, as the delegate
and really exercise their delegate power.
And all I've interviewed a lot of the delegates and heard how they wanted to vote.
This is one of the first ones, fortunately or unfortunately, that they get to really
decide how they want to be as a delegate.
And you can see that play out here in the comments, just talking back and forth of why
should they vote yes?
Why should they vote no?
What's important?
What isn't?
What should we be focusing on?
Should this SIP pass under these conditions or should it change?
And then we start talking about what delegation is and all the different things that I'm trying
to do.
I'm not trying to solve sandboxes player retention problem.
I'm not able to solve that.
I'm not going to make anyone sand millionaires.
I'm not going to make us Roblox.
I'm not built to solve that.
I'm built to address the lack of understanding and to educate and to provide news updates.
And I'm just going to keep doing that if, if I'm, I'm funded.
So more context.
I'm a homegrown podcast.
And here's one that I'm going to be doing soon, which is what is a foundation company
and all the very interesting things I learned.
I'll probably be doing that later this week or next week.
All the fun things I learned.
And then more discussion from other delegates.
Here's Miel talking about an old point of the Dow is open discussions, diverse voices
and processes we can all learn from.
More discussions about delegations.
So these discussions are just encompassing everything.
It was really, really cool.
And I really appreciate it.
Just I feel like we were growing here as a Dow and more discussions, talks, conflict
resolutions and here, here's what I wanted to stay on for a second.
Here I kind of explained the timeline because people kept saying, some people kept saying
that Sandow was, you know, why would we fund a second podcast Sandow?
Why wouldn't we just stick with the sandbox styles, official podcast?
And so my response was that, well, voting for the Sandow now doesn't commit anyone to
voting for it in the future, nor does it commit anyone to voting for it.
They were talking about fridge magnets.
Why wouldn't just anyone vote for anything at that point?
Okay, got it.
I submitted this back in July.
So that was here, back in July, tip number six and.
And I was on Sandow six at the time.
At that moment, we got the call with the traditional industry is not active.
So we're just that.
That was my interview with old one.
Before old one was a delegate.
Old one has is involved in another delegation, one of the largest ones in the mocha verse
called mocha CN smoke with Chinese community.
Go look at Sandow podcast six.
If you're interested in, in if you're a coin down or if you're mocha verse.
Oka CN is a, is a important player in those ecosystems.
So go check that out.
And so I was at Sandow six at the time I started this podcast, this SIP Sandow six.
All right.
So I went through five months of curation and it was intense.
It was a lot of back and forth to talk about pricing and, and metrics and all sorts of
things.
By the time it went to vote on 20th, December 24th, I'd posted my 53rd episode.
And we're putting together called the community council.
That explains that in episode five.
So I don't think I'm, I'm, I'm really revealing anything crazy here.
That was Sandow podcast 33, which was did a reaction to the digging in the sand podcast
episodes three and four talking about the 12 delegates, community progressive decentralization
and great episode.
I'll go check it out, please.
And then, and then when episode, so backtracking a little bit when, when episode one came out
on November 17th, that was, that was the Sandow official podcast came out November 17th.
I was already on my 42nd episode of Sandow and, and I didn't even realize it until I
clicked on it.
That the 42nd episode was my delegate interview of, they dropped you to, Oh shoot.
It was crypto dip low.
Anyways, the one I clicked on was my, my delegate interview of old one, which was a hilarious
kind of like completion of the circle.
But but yeah, I was on my 42nd episode of Sandow when digging in the sand episode one
came out on November 17th and my 53rd episode when it went to vote on December 27th, 24th.
So anyways, did since Sandow, we cover so many different topics.
We cover it very differently.
I do long form content.
I research it intensely and I try to be as objective and critical as I'm able to.
And I delve into topics that the Sandbox, the Sandbox Dow admin team isn't able to,
can't or doesn't want to cover.
Like birth of the episode.
I covered that one.
I told everyone kind of teased it a little bit and had a little bit of fun.
I was just so excited that I was able to piece together all the relationships and I just
couldn't, I couldn't help myself.
So so this was when episode 34 go take a look.
I know I didn't get every single connection right.
I emphasize roles when they're not really that way in real life.
And I did the best I could with Google searches.
That's all I had available to me and just searching it, figuring it out.
But that was me revealing, you know, kind of how I thought the Sandbox Dow came to be
based on what information was known at the time and the timeline associated behind everything.
So I delve into those topics and I delve at it, delve in at a much faster pace.
Although, couldn't tell if you're watching, if you keep doing this every single week,
you're going to end up outpacing me eventually.
So I was trying to get it out as fast as I could.
And then also, when the delegates came out, when they were announced, I did, I did 10
of them in seven days.
And that partly was that was because it was right before Christmas.
I wanted to make sure I got them all in before Christmas.
And I want to get them in as soon as possible, because I wanted everyone to know who they
were before the next sips came out.
And that way, people could have decided, you know, what what do they want to do?
That portion when it comes to the SanFam voter, your delegate style and what you want to accomplish.
Is there anything else you'd like to, to comment on before we move to those final three questions?
That was San Alpacas 38.
That was my first delegate interview with Sebga back on November 16.
So I did 10 delegate interviews in seven days.
They were very, very gracious to each of those delegates now to give me their time.
Some of them did it live.
Some of them did it via text only.
But each of them did it.
I wasn't able to get to and and Roxy who's in the chat now is also able to do that with
podcast 54 just a few days ago.
So go check that out.
And so that's what it that's what it takes to keep up with what goes on in the Dow.
A lot of stuff happens quickly and I have to push out episodes constantly in order to
keep everyone educated and up to date.
And so funding this SIP meant paying a team to address things I don't have the time to
do which is episodes are way too long.
And part of that's because I don't have time to edit them down.
And also because I enjoy researching and providing the content in a comprehensive way.
If someone wants to look at all the evidence, here it is.
And if you disagree, here's the evidence I based it off of.
And I just bite size content isn't I don't like it as much.
And so I was doing this for free and I decided that's what I way I wanted to do it.
I also wanted to make it available to many more platforms but I didn't have the time
to go through the manual process of those seven to nine extra platforms that came with
RSS.com's package.
And I wanted to create more shorter, shorter viral content like on TikTok, YouTube shorts,
Instagram reels, all that.
But it required more funding because I'd reached my max of what I could pay for by myself and
what I could commit to time wise.
So that was about halfway through the 106 replies.
That is that was my response there.
And then here comes Roxy who's in the chat.
I'm gonna go over this one.
Roxy voted no and gave me if go look at Sandow podcast 54 we talk about this specifically.
Roxy gave me extremely well thought out they all did all the delegates did.
But Roxy made a point to explain not just why he voted no, but how he got to that decision
talking to 40 people in the sand fam to talk them about what was their interest in the
Sandow podcast sip.
What do they what do they want to see out of it?
And he gave me the results of that survey, which was gold.
I don't know if any many of you know, but I am a data nerd.
I love statistics.
I love parsing through data to find what's relevant, what's valuable.
That's why I do the the Sandow checkbook and the Sandow scoreboard.
I keep track of statistics so that I can I can derive relevance and value from them.
That's exactly what Roxy did.
But on a personal individual level by contacting people as a delegate and asking them what
do you all think sand fam like that was powerful.
I had nothing, nothing negative to say about this.
The fact that he voted no hurts, but the why was just too good to say anything against.
It was phenomenal.
So I really appreciated him explaining how he talked to the people and here's what they
said.
And here's my opinion on it.
And this is what I'm based on based on it's too expensive per episode.
I don't think it contributes significantly enough to prove the platform itself.
It's specific to the Dow.
And it's not important enough to the builders from what I talked to them about.
Like it was cool.
It was cool.
And he he didn't shy away from acknowledging that that he was appreciative of my efforts.
And I really I just appreciated the way he went about it.
This to me was is the ideal way to tell someone you're going to vote their proposal down.
But he did it just splendidly.
So you know, told me in the end, it wasn't a rejection of the podcast, but it was the
higher priority of him being a delegate.
I appreciated it.
I really did.
So I was like, yeah, yeah, it's really sad to see it.
Oh, yeah, Roxy Roxy said in chat just now the ideal way to be rejected.
Absolutely, Roxy.
That is the ideal way to be rejected.
And I appreciated the extra time and effort that you put into crafting this.
It was so it was so appreciated.
And so I said, man, in the forum response to him, I said, I'm really sad, but I respect
it, which is gracias, mi amigo.
Ecuador, Ecuador, Ecuador.
And yeah.
Yep.
Oh, well, here's something in my response that I wanted to mention that I didn't really
talk about because there wasn't really a place for it.
But I'm a builder too.
When I when I introduced myself, I introduced that I was president of MetaWorlds and that
how we had published two studios.
Well, what might not be too obvious about that is that I understand firsthand what the
builders are saying when they say this is not helping the builders like the actual Vox
edit or GameMaker.
I get it.
It doesn't help them monetize any better.
I experienced the same thing with MetaWorlds Studio.
We weren't able to monetize either.
I spent my whole I spent a whole year trying my hardest to to find a way to do it.
And eventually, I don't know if I'm going to get to it because of the way the vote went
and winding everything down.
But I want to do an episode on the business of sandbox publishing and kind of show you
the numbers of why it didn't work for me.
And we know it doesn't work for others because to Shea and Tempest both took a step back
from from building and they were one of the top builders in the ecosystem.
But they hear hear their posts.
And when I posted SIP seven for a Builders Challenge Working Group, one of the things
one of the reasons why I did this was because back in September, to Shea posted about stepping
back pretty pretty detailed post, I recommend you go read it.
But he posted here.
He's taking a full step back.
And all the reasons why financial circumstances made difficult.
That's monetization thing I was talking about.
It he was one of if not the top builder.
When it comes to studios.
I mean, almost everyone.
Almost everyone has played fun guy for his fun guy frenzy.
It's just very talented.
Right.
So not just him, but then Tempest 20 days later says the same thing.
Another legacy OG really talented studio says goodbye.
And one month we lose two high profile.
Builders in in the community.
And what was the reason?
There's there's some shortcomings, some lack of transparency, some things that they consider
to be unfair, a little bit of mismanagement, perhaps or lack of respect.
They have they have their reasons for it.
I recognize what they're saying.
It took me a while to get into to where I became a trusted partner.
It only happened like late last year.
I haven't been a trusted partner for very long, but it took a while to get there.
And it took a lot, a lot of effort to make it happen.
And Tempest and to share both partners to say when we interviewed him, turns out he's
an advanced partner.
So that was that was cool.
But in any case, you can see there that they when we when we run the numbers, when I ran
the numbers, it just I couldn't I couldn't sustain the business model.
The catalysts were too expensive to mend.
The marketplace wasn't having enough activity to buy what I mented.
And the experiences didn't have a way to monetize.
And it just it didn't work.
It didn't work out.
So at the end of Builders Challenge one in May of 2024, I was I was ready to step back
from the sandbox because I reached the end of my ability to to pay for it out of pocket
and myself.
And I was going to step back from the sandbox and just move on.
I did I did my best.
I did everything I could.
The monetization just isn't there.
The business model doesn't work for me.
And so I was going to do that.
But then guess what happens in May 28th?
The Dow launches May 28th, 2024.
And that that lights a fire in me.
It gives me my motivation back because I'm a I'm a business owner.
I'm a creative entrepreneur.
I create things, games and I compose music and I write novels.
I published them to Amazon and iTunes.
I create I game.
I've been a really competitive gamer and a casual gamer.
I've been I've been the whole gamut.
I've organized big events like world record breaking things, Guinness World Records stuff.
And the Dow is all of that.
It's business, it's community, it's leadership, it's gaming, all that together.
And that's where I talk about the people, the product, the purpose, the ecosystem.
Yeah.
So.
So that's the Dow and it's just it's just lights puts puts a light in me.
Oh, here's your Sandow 30 with Touche.
And on the website, it said it was established in 2010.
What's the connection there?
So it's to say studios has been around since I was like 20 years old.
I thought I was like pretty clever and came up with a name to shake my last name is shake.
And so I was like, hey, to shake.
To say to say right on.
It was so cool.
I love to say I love them to death.
And so, yeah, if it hadn't been for the Dow, I would have stepped back as well.
I did.
I put all of my effort into succeeding.
And I did it for over a year at that point.
I had been in sandbox since 2021 as a gamer and a landowner and and an avatar owner, but
didn't really become a builder until I discovered GMF and 2022 or 23 and wrote a proposal got
accepted for GMF 2023.
Then builders challenge one took over from GMF 2023.
We did build a challenge one floor droppers.
We ranked seventh out of 400 and it was awesome.
And then we were in Alpha season four.
So got really, really lucky.
But in any case, that was that.
And then Kusho rightly points out success criteria.
That was a tougher thing to do because how do you measure something that's brand new
like us and what's really important?
And so I said that what I think is important isn't views because we're not getting them.
And yes, my hours are long, but there's a max I can commit.
And it's only 15 K of eight million bucks and it's formed eight million depend on the
trading of San.
So but ultimately, I think that we should base it on engagement, like how many retweets
there are how many how many live viewers we have because that helps me.
That's where San Fam is.
Yeah.
Hey, Dan Koy, good to see you.
Yeah, exactly.
Dan Koy says in the chat, not counting the others that leave but don't share.
Absolutely.
And that was just the most high profile ones.
There are others who decided to that they couldn't make it as well and it wasn't for
them and they have since departed as well.
That's very, very good point, Dan Koy.
Yeah.
And there's so and it's not like they want to leave.
I didn't want to leave the sandbox when I was deciding to take a step back.
I couldn't sustain what I was doing.
And it was either continue paying everything out of pocket and developments not cheap.
Floor droppers took about $20,000 to build.
And and even ranking seventh that I did, we only got 9000 San, which at the time was trading
at about 26 cents.
So we did not break even at all.
But that's how much it costs to create a real thing.
You you've got developers time and effort and you want to build a good one.
You've got to pay them to build you a good one.
So I couldn't do that one again.
I couldn't I couldn't spend another pay another 20,000.
That was yeah, that was that was a rough one.
A rough loss.
So that's when I decided that I couldn't I couldn't make it back on catalysts is the
numbers weren't working.
And you know, Seb go very graciously says here.
Lancer is offering high value and I so appreciated that.
Thank you.
Thanks all the people who back and forth good concerns about it being expensive.
And thank you to everyone else who supported.
And and here we start really talking about right about this point in time singling out
sand out why should sand I'll be this the sole recipient of this and to be honest, I
get it.
And crafter had a sip idea a while ago that and I was so supportive of it of being a full
time content creator for the sandbox now, but it wasn't able to make it to vote.
So it was curated and I know I don't think it made it past curation.
I was very supportive of it, but it didn't make it and mine did probably only because
my professional background is in contract writing, proposal writing and negotiations.
And so I do this for a living and I was just able to see it through.
Yeah, and he said, you know, let's let's create a sip for Andy Richie and Shakespeare and
bandit pops and commie and vision and many, many other content creators.
Like why wouldn't we do that?
Well, and my and my view, maybe we should be doing that.
I have no sure I'll support them too.
I felt that Sandal podcast gives benefit directly to the Dow.
And yeah, that was mine.
And people see points and agreed and you know, and then commie rightly points out that Panda
Cyber Dragon and commie are staff at the sandbox.
Because they have a normal salary and doing streams as part of their work.
Lucas and Joseph, who's the Vision X, they've had him on Sandal a couple times now.
They're part of the ambassador program and they get rewarded for sand.
I am neither an ambassador nor my staff.
I get nothing.
I am not compensated in any way by the sandbox.
Or really anybody.
I'm just doing this because I enjoy it and just doing it.
And there's multiple tracks.
I did apply to be an ambassador when the ambassador program came online.
I didn't hear back.
So I don't know if my application got lost or what, but I did apply.
And, and this is where this is where that very interesting remark about maybe commie
says maybe we should have a community boost chest that rewards streamers.
And that people pick up on that a lot.
See that right there?
Eight uptokes right there.
A lot of people said, yeah, we should do that.
And so where is it?
Who else?
DeFenix, I think says pretty much the same thing.
I think others deserve that.
He thought that I should deserve to be paid for my consistency.
Cost is questionable.
However, he, he would like to, he's confused about some of the proposal parts and, and
prepare to see the funds elsewhere.
Okay.
Where was it?
Not sure if a thousand perhaps it's really worth it.
I, like I mentioned in the beginning, based on my research, a thousand per episode is
on the lower end.
So if you Google search how much per episode is a podcast, you will see a lot of different
opinions, but a few of them will say from zero to 5,000 is, is the lower range from
5,000 to 15,000 is the upper range.
There's a, there's a couple of websites that have, have it about that.
And so 1000 is, you know, in the grand scheme of things, not, not that much per episode.
And I planned on, you know, getting better rates after, you know, cause I can buy in
bulk at that point.
And I just couldn't commit to it because I hadn't yet negotiated that down on Fiverr
and all that.
But yeah, I was going to stretch it out to something closer to 20 or 25.
And who was it?
Who was it that talked about the community, the community streamer thing as well?
Someone asked me if, if I was doing this for individual gain.
I was not.
Nope.
And then that was what a few days ago, right?
Seven days ago.
So an hour before that I had posted my interview with Roxy Miguel.
There's so many people to get their opinion and then you see in the forum post.
Cause I was learning too.
Like I have, I get feedback all the time, but it's not all representative of all SanFam.
To think about it is that my priority will be the gaming ecosystem.
So there's Roxy, our latest delegate talking about his viewpoint on how, how does he want
to vote?
What's what's important to him?
And, and then I, I updated my stats at that point.
I'd interviewed, I'd interviewed 35 guests.
So as of episode 54 with Roxy, I interviewed 35 guests and I've covered 11 sips.
This one makes it 12.
And so 15,000 is going to help build a better podcast.
And hold on, we're getting to it.
We're getting to the one that I've been searching for.
For discussion about, about how the budget should be, should be applied here and, and
here respect the outcome.
All right.
So at the time, seven days ago, a week ago, I was at 52% yes, 47% no.
So it had been, it had been battling back and forth and at varying degrees.
At one point it was, it was 2 million no right at the very beginning because one of the delegates
got the drop on me.
They voted no very early before I could even vote yes on my own proposal.
And then after that it took over, it had a big, a big yes vote.
And then it slowly just like crept back to where you see now seven days ago.
Okay.
And then, oh, here's the comment about why do we need a second podcast?
And then they also asked me to produce what is the average viewer for Sandow podcast.
So I looked it up on YouTube.
It changes per, I, I, I published this on like, I think seven different platforms.
So they're different per platform, but on YouTube, my episodes, 116 hours have been
watched of my 54 episodes and the average view is 10 minutes across all my episodes.
And if people, sometimes people ask me like, you do all this couple hours worth and people
only watched him and it's like, that's okay.
I do this primarily because I love it first.
And I do it because I have, I have the data that I want to present and then take from
it what you will.
That's it.
And then I list off all the stuff that is, is in my corner in my, in my favor.
Sandow does not answer to the sandbox game company or the Dow admin team.
Sandow cannot be fired by the sandbox game company or the Dow admin team.
Sandow is independently produced.
Sandow is not required to honor the sandbox game company or the Dow admin team requests
that it not cover a topic.
And for the record, they never asked me to, but even if they did, I'm not required to
honor it.
I don't work for them.
Sandow is not bound by any non-disclosure or non-compete agreement.
Sandow can be as critical as is necessary to the benefit of the community.
And some of those episodes that I've done were really harsh and critical.
Like check out 31, 32, and, and the, the one about the new SIP process, the one about the
Dow medium article.
And I've since softened my stance because of the new transparency from, from DITS episodes
one through five.
But I was very critical.
I was getting super critical because the transparency just wasn't there.
And I can do that without getting in trouble because I'm independently produced.
So then there was a question about how, why did I need to go to nine more platforms?
And that's where I revealed when you have an RSS account, which is a podcast platform,
it's one of the oldest and on the internet when it comes to podcasts, RSS feeds.
So here, right here are the automatic ones.
You just click a button and anytime you click publish, it'll publish your episode to Spotify,
Amazon music, podcast index, listen notes, and the RSS community.
So you can publish it to Apple podcast, Pandora, tune in, iHeartRadio, and Deezer, but you
have to go to their website and then manually submit it.
That's the ones I'm telling you.
I didn't have enough time to do that.
Not with the amount of time that I was putting into it already.
So I was going to hire an assistant to do that for all the episodes.
That's what I meant by more platforms.
It already comes as in the package that I was paying for to have this account that I
was paying for out of my own pocket already had that available.
So as soon as I went to Apple podcasts, they would publish it because I had an account
with RSS.
All right.
And that's, I just explained that right here.
Same thing.
And Pandora is a household name when it comes to music.
So it was a no brainer to try and publish to them.
Yep.
So Sandow podcast first published 201 days ago and mid June 2020.
Whereas digging the sand published 47 days ago in late November.
What are we looking to achieve?
Kuscha asked and I said just to keep going.
Dits and Sandow cover very different topics.
We cover them differently.
Best part is we're not required to choose one over the other because it's not a competition.
It doesn't have to be me versus them and it's not me versus the other podcast.
So this is the one thing he, he was, I wasn't able to answer.
He kept asking how are we supposed to measure its success and determine whether or not this
tip actually benefits us.
And I don't know.
It isn't clear to me yet how we should be measuring the impact because while views are
an obvious metric, they're very misleading as ecosystem.
Years ago we used to get thousands of views.
Now, now we get hundreds of views.
So my intuition told me that what I should be measuring is engagement, which is like
retweets replies, increase in voting forum activity.
And when I did those 15 episodes that were then going to be done a lot better, I would
monitor the difference and then report on that difference to, to see if what value was
actually given there.
That's what the risk was.
The risk was the confidence and the trust and, and giving me the resources I needed
to build the podcast better, to deliver more value.
That's what the risk was for this.
So yeah, that's what that was.
More discussions.
There was a good discussion between sub gun, Viverson about, about what examples we should
be using, how many streamers are in play and what about, what about their pricing?
Really good discussion there.
And what did my version ask me here?
He said, why don't you think the other streamers didn't submit a proposal?
And it's basically because when the Dow came out, most of us didn't know what the Dow was.
And the only reason I myself was able to Dow faster was because I have a business background,
I have a proposal writing background.
And as soon as the Dow was released, I had stopped building experiences.
I put a pause on my third experience because of the funding problem.
And I had a lot of time on my hands to devote to a new project.
And so I devoted to the Dow and I learned what it was.
And I figured out how to, I mean, once I knew that all you had to do was write a proposal,
I've been doing that my whole career.
So I just wrote one.
And so that's why the others didn't do it.
They didn't even know what it was.
They didn't know what they could get from it.
And they didn't know how to, how to Dow.
A lot of politics are involved.
You have to do a lot of campaigning.
You have to ask people for votes and then change your great idea when they disagree.
Otherwise, you won't get their vote.
So you have to get the really balance it out and it's tough.
It's a lot of time and effort.
So that's why they didn't do it.
And lots of questions, answers and discussions.
And Seb got asked, is it possible to produce more episodes ideally to produce throughout
2025?
Or is this unthinkable?
And I said, where was it?
Oh yeah, here's the list of streamers, really well known people in the community who stream
already.
So he's asking like, why don't they get a sip?
And they do.
They just have to write one.
And that's how this works.
And, and by verse and said, well, if this is a yes, then you know, how do you think
everyone else is going to, how this is going to apply to everyone else?
And what's the perception going to be?
And you know, Kunta came in and engaged some clarifications for some things.
And we're discussion and Kunta said exactly what I thought too.
This has been the most constructive, really like there were a lot of humongously different
opinions, black and white people were, were debating hard, but it was constructive.
We learned a lot from each other, I think.
I think we learned a lot about our Dow, what we wanted out of all this.
So it was very respectful for almost all of it.
It was respectful.
People were debating the issues and not necessarily going out after each other.
There was a little bit, but you know, debates got heated and that's how it went.
And, and, and, you know, there was a little bit of apologies back and forth to each other
because some, some people, you know, the debates got really heated.
So they're like, oh, I'm sorry if, if, if you felt like I disrespected you and like,
ah, I'm sorry that I was intense here.
And like, it was, it was just good.
It was good discussion.
I feel like we learned a lot from each other.
And I can reiterate, we're not in competition between digging the sand podcast and sand
Dow.
We're, we're, we're building the same ecosystem.
We have multiple million dollar budget.
It's not, it's not a competition.
And oh, here it is, Sir Alokan.
Sir Alokan came in, he was a new user, he knew the Dow, looks like, and proposed as
an alternative that we have a combined sip where everyone can receive money or sand based
on their contributions to streaming and content creation, which is similar to what Kami proposed.
And when Kami proposed that, that's a great idea, but I was so engrossed in the way the
Dow was going or the way the sip was going that I didn't think about any other steps
at the time.
But when he said that, Sir Alokan, it triggered something in my brain that, wow, we really
could do a combined sip and just have like almost like a think ape.
Show you all that.
Right.
Think ape here.
Think ape has a reward system.
See if I can get in.
Let me in.
Come on, come on, come on.
Yeah, here we go.
So think ape is a reward system.
Okay, so you start earning, you connect your wallet.
And when you do that, here are the right quests.
So let's go to the the streamer host and stream request.
Host an ex Twitter space.
Host an ex Twitter space for your ape chain NFT or in meme coin community and achieve
2500 listens.
If you get that and you connect your wallet and it verifies, you get 300 ape as a reward.
So just substitute it with sand.
Host an ex Twitter space for your sandbox community and achieve 2500 listens and you
get 300 sand.
And it's a it's a bounty system.
So anyone can come in and claim it.
And so we could do the same thing.
Thank ape.
And so, me being the, I've already submitted eight sips already, me being the sip creator
that I am think, oh my gosh, that's wonderful.
We should definitely do that.
Meal instantly chimes in, secret meow and says great idea.
Subga, I think says, Subga some more discussion.
I've sent in a document verso.
I think he also agrees with what's going on.
Where is it?
Come on, I'll be here soon.
This is an independent streamer.
And so by by versin here says, absolutely.
That's a great idea, sir.
I look in.
And so I say, that's a great idea.
Also the intern mentioned that as well.
So sir, a local intern and commie all mentioned a similar reward system for the collective
content creators within the ecosystem.
I definitely supported that.
And I said I was going to make a sip about it.
So about, you know, 10 minutes later, I go to the sip ideas and I post a new sip idea
and I call it the sand chest.
It already has nine upvotes.
But the sand chest is basically what they just talked about.
It's kind of like think ape what I just showed.
I have the context here of how Dals post or the interns post here, then commies post and
Sir Alokan's post all kind of give us this idea of we should have a creative pool of
rewards for creators.
And so I invite Sir Alokan and commie up as co-authors.
I can't invite intern because he's a delegate.
He can't be a sip author.
And so I what I propose is the earmark sand out of the budget that's going to come up
at the end of the January, we create a sand chest out of it.
And we create a transparent system that fairly distributes creators based on some sort of
ranking.
And also we define content creators and categories so that we're you know, you two people are
with you two people and such and such, so forth.
But basically the think ape but for the sandbox.
So I wrote that sip while while sand out podcast sip was going on, because it was it was looking
it was looking like looking a little rough.
We still had the yes vote at the time.
And so let's keep going.
And then here it comes.
Here comes the next update.
On January 4, 133pm.
I look at the results and I have a majority no vote, I pretty much guessed what happened.
And yes, we did achieve quorum and 110% but we did so with well vaults 7.6 million no
vote which created a 59% no and 39% yes.
And that there's the why that we talked about the beginning of the episode went through
all of that.
And I was unable to recover from that.
And it went away.
After that.
I got a lot of things people reaching out saying, thank you.
And oh, here's where I revealed that.
Yeah, I did plan on making the $15,000 last a little bit more than 15 episodes.
I think people believe the 15,000 is not cost effective because the the oops, that's a special
council cited 400 per episode.
And, oh, nice.
As the special counsel cited 400 per episode.
And I don't think that fully captures all the costs of digging the sand, podcast.
And my shirt, my research showed that 1000 is reasonable.
And here I included a couple screenshots of the websites I was talking about, with a low
end showed $350 to 1000 in the low end 1500 to 5000 being the high end.
And then the second one showed anywhere from one to 15,000 per episode is is one of the
estimates from a podcast creation site.
So I couldn't promise that I would be able to do it to do 15,000 with more than 15 episodes.
I hadn't yet been able to negotiate that lower price on Fiverr and all the discounted rates.
So more discussion of problems, not only costs also performance.
And to keep going, we're almost through this, we're almost done.
Oh, here's an interesting part between Hishmad and I.
Hishmad said that we need, who did I respond?
Oh, there we go.
Given the significant variation in production costs, particularly human costs across different
locations, I'm utilizing the committee's benchmarks to ensure appropriate comparisons.
For instance, I anticipate that production costs in Indonesia not exceed 200 per episode.
This would differ significantly in the USA, hence the importance of the committee's benchmarks.
That was Hishmad, what I said was that must be where our disconnect is.
Because the team is made up of people from Indonesia, Philippines, Canada, America and
Italy.
I built the team multinational and editing alone costs more than $200 per episode.
Usually it goes by the minute.
So anything over 300, you're probably looking at more than 200 bucks just for editing.
Alright, so I referenced here, I searched someone on Fiverr, Gizmoxsen here.
And Gizmoxsen, your basic package is, basic package is $50 here for 15 minutes, $100 for
30 minutes, 250 for more than 30 minutes, so up to 120.
And he's from Uzbekistan.
So some of his competitors showed upwards of 500 bucks and more for the same, and some
of them didn't even exceed 30 minutes.
So the situation is a little bit different outside of Fiverr, a little bit, but you're
talking about a mix of the skill, the trust, the credibility and the price you have to
pay.
And I have to balance that in a way that delivers a result.
And I can't, I've got to do it in a way that I know I will succeed, and that's the way
I can succeed.
So that's what I built my proposal around and I stand by it.
And then another delegate votes, basically for the reason the council recommended.
And here we're almost done here.
So I was bummed to see it all go the way that it did.
And to all those who voted no, we're all still friends.
I don't feel like, I don't want anyone to avoid me or to feel awkward around me because
they voted no against my SIP.
It's okay.
It's all right.
Ultimately, it would have been a yes vote had Wellvault not voted 6.7.6 million no.
So we would have been fine had not been for that.
But no one needs to avoid me for I'm not throwing a temper tantrum.
Just just give me a little bit to recover, which I already feel recovered right now.
Come to terms with it.
And then you know, feeling the emotional damage.
But Sandow is going to change whether SIP 18 passes or not.
It did not pass.
Sandow is going to change.
And here I said if it passes, it gets bigger and better.
If it doesn't pass, it gets scaled down to what I can manage by myself.
But I'm still here.
And then check out the new Sand Chess SIP idea.
So yeah.
Yeah.
And then constructive stuff.
And that's why I voted yes.
Yes I was I was going to I was going to do the very best I could with it.
And Seb go voted 80% yes 20% no.
And I don't I don't think it's appreciated just how much you can you can split your vote
like Seb go thought that he liked it.
And but but the 20% no was a recognition of the apprehension and the arguments for now.
I did a similar thing for the sandbox ambassador SIP.
I voted half yes half no because it looked like a clear yes a clear positive me.
But so many of the ambassadors were against it.
So I had to I felt that it was it was right to split my vote.
And so what it had if it had been presented at 7.5k would have been approved.
Then probably probably 500 an episode.
I don't I don't think people would have really batted an eye on it.
But it's the same thing in 8.0 price is a big factor and a lot of people you know feel
how they feel about seeing a large price tag and they felt the same way about this one.
So the voting period is ended.
That was a day ago yesterday.
And here are the results with the quorum reached 22.6 no 16.9 yes.
And then I give my yesterday I give my my response saying first there firstly everyone
thank you for the for the lively discussion I learned a lot.
I feel like we all learned a lot really.
Second like I mentioned in my emotional damage posts that I just went over a few minutes
ago I'm bummed but I'm satisfied I did everything I could to show the community that Sandow
was worth it.
It's worthwhile.
And I'm going to survive I'm going to be all right.
Sam the well dolls well that well vaults 7.6 million vote definitely turn the tide turned
it from a yes to a no.
I previously mentioned here how I opened the door to that involvement.
I authored the proposal that enabled them to vote.
And as you can see clearly that did not entitle me to a yes vote there were no backroom deals
there and I didn't expect them to to I didn't I didn't feel entitled to a yes vote.
I was surprised that they voted no because it wasn't in line with the process that was
approved and in their Dow but they always had the authority to vote how they want to
and they did.
And I feel like we grew closer as a community even though it didn't turn out the way I wanted
it went the way it needed to and we're learning and we're growing and this is what it means
to Dow we're Dowing.
So don't feel like you have to avoid me.
We are still friends and I'm not coming for any of you voted no not even well though I'm
just disappointed.
And here's the vote table we already went over that and bill smiley face don't forget sand
chest sip.
If you look at that please look at the Sanchez sip it's in the sip ideas forum and yep some
responses to that yesterday or just Dr. Metaverse so that's it that's that's going through the
results.
So cost was a factor redundancy between its and Sandow fairness to other streamers value
to the ecosystem.
There you go.
So those are a lot of the comments.
All right now we're almost done here.
What's next?
So now that we're not funded what do I do now?
Here's what I'm going to do.
Sandow podcast is going to change.
It's going to I can't pay for it all anymore and it's going to change in size instead of
doing long form stuff about deeply research topics.
I'm going to change to I think short very short weekly updates.
Those updates are going to look a little bit like this.
Like if I had done an update earlier this week it would have been here are the sips
that gone to vote.
Here are the sips ideas go out there right now.
Any sort of news items or updates of a note here and then here are the episodes that I
did last.
That might take 10 minutes and I'll post it you know on a Monday and I'll just post a
weekly 10 minute update.
I won't be doing in depth topics anymore and because I just won't have the time commitment
to spend on it.
I do have a couple more that I want to get through just because I'm I'm really passionate
about some of these topics I want to get through the next one I'm doing probably next week
it's going to be what is a foundation company.
I think I must have spent two months on this episode.
Go figure spent two months on this episode and it's about the Constitution.
It's about the the sandbox foundations Constitution.
It's about what is it about.
It's about the foundations company the Cayman Islands law.
What does it actually say and how do you how do we create a foundations company.
What does that mean to us as San Fam and the Dow.
How does it actually run and what are all the regulations that we have to abide by.
So when people say that we're in when Kunta said during his episode three two three and
four with zero that we're in a gray area of regulatory landscape this is what we're
referring to is the laws that are in place and the regulations that affect the sandbox
Dow.
I went and read all those laws and I put together an episode to explain them as best I can to
kind of show you what is the relevance and what is the importance of these terms that
we're reading when we say articles association memo association a foundation.
What does it mean to say limited by guarantee.
What is a subscriber.
What is an exempted company.
What do the register have to do with anything.
All the acts and regulations that go with that what fees were paying all of that is
spelled out in the Cayman Islands law and so I read all read it all.
I prepared an episode.
I'm done with it.
I should be given next week.
I might do a couple more episodes after that but I'm largely going to to stop doing those
deep long episodes and just stick to maybe 10 minute weekly updates and that's it.
I might do some interviews here and there but it's largely just going to be it's going
to change.
So yeah if you are a sand fam here's where we gather discord that's the hashtag Dow discussion
channel there's a sandbox Dow forums which is forum.sandboxdow.com.
There on Twitch or excuse me on Twitter there's sand fam hashtag sandbox Dow hashtag the sandbox
game and on YouTube there's a sandbox Dow.
Lancer YT which is sand down listen and what you're listening to sand fam cafe on Mondays
is mocha verse hall and Twitter space on Saturdays is Bulls on the block.
Monday through Friday is coffee with captain and on Tuesdays is well members.
Weekly digital is what they call it.
I went back and forth one and I should delete them off the space because you know whatever
but they're they're they're still a good entity.
It's just I'm disappointed with the way they voted.
So I'm going to check the see if anyone is currently on to raid if not we are going to
conclude.
Look at the chat what do we got in the chat.
Denkoy said if I need to think that the whole issue revolves around the 15,000 I kept wondering
if presented 7.5 would have been approved.
Yeah oh that we did talk about that.
Yeah I think it would have been and Roxy Miguel and chat says just two cents here I'd like
to see you expand more into the gaming ecosystem and not just a Dow I'd love to see you cover
those places.
I'm sure you do amazing even though send out slowing down a bit now.
Hey that's this right here.
That's where the episodes I wanted to cover.
Oops that needs to be updated doesn't it.
Give me just a second I updated this for for what I wanted to do in January.
This was before before the sip did not pass.
Let's update this slide real fast and then you will see what I mean.
Okay there we go.
So I'm going to do what is a foundation company.
I'm going to do an episode on reading through the Constitution articles and memos because
once you read through the Cayman's I came in Islands law all of these other things make
sense it all the terms become very known it's very very straightforward.
Then I'm going to do I was going to invite a lawyer from the Cayman Islands to do episode
on the case law and legal opinion on the questions that still remained like why what is the allure
of a foundation company some stuff that wasn't obvious when I read the law I was going to
invite a lawyer on and use you know part of that money from the from the sip but since
I'm not funded I'm not going to do that anymore I'm just going to read the questions and then
conclude the episode and I still want to interview Moe who is the 12th delegate I want to do a
a follow up of magic palette.
I did want to do a follow up at sandbox Academy however their experience in some difficulties
right now I'm not sure that's going to happen and then I wanted to do the ecosystem so I
want to do an episode of the ecosystem and the Dow kind of the way the Dow is propped
up and structured I want to do how the creators ecosystem worked I want to do how the marketplace
worked with the catalysts and the minting and all of that and the markets then I want
to do one on the gamers like how how gaming in the sandbox ecosystem worked and then here's
the business of the sandbox publishing then I want to do some cross cultural panels and
some cultural panels so you know Korean Chinese Mandarin that sort of thing but I don't think
I'm going to get to these last two anymore I don't think I'm going to do I don't think
I'm going to do the creators the market one anymore I'm going to do the Dow one because
it's just it's it's pretty simple at this point do and because Roxy you asked for me
to do one on the gamers I think I think I might do that one but we'll see it depends
on how much some of these take a long time to research and to get done and if it takes
too much time and effort then I'm not going to be able to do it and and yeah so I'm going
to do I'm going to do these three because they're pretty much already done and then
if I can get Moe I will interview him if Pepe is able to provide an update we'll do a quick
one there I will do the Dow I might do the gamers and I want to do the business of sandbox
experience publishing but it takes a lot of a lot of math and preparation to do that so
I might not get to it anymore most people who know understand in ways and that's it
I will be a send send out weekly after that 10 minute episodes and and that's all I'll
be able to do then Koi said in the chat innovate and come back stronger than ever we're excited
for your renewal well thank you Dan Koi I appreciate that we'll see see it's not it's
not a no it's just I can't keep going the way I've been going and if I don't have the
fine to keep going I have to do something different and yeah not sad just just dealing
with how things how things go and that's all we have today we talked about sip 18 the downfall
of the Sandel podcast sip a fifteen thousand dollar sip that was supposed to fund or was
requesting to fund 15 more episodes off of our now 55 episodes from the Sandel podcast
unfortunately it was not funded and we went over all the reasons why so thank you all
for your time appreciate Dan Koi and and Roxy Miguel in chat thank you so much I'm going
to is there anyone on I can I can raid yep there's a someone someone who's not sandbox
related but someone that is a friend that I twitch friend Damien's gaming so we're
going to raid Damien's gaming and yeah it's not sad but ultimately life's going to be
okay we're going to be alright thank you all by San Fam