Hello everyone, welcome to the Sandow Podcast 53.
Today we'll be doing a reaction to Digging in the Sand episodes 3 and 4, which just released
two days ago.
It'll be a reaction plus commentary today.
I do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox style foundation.
I am not your legal or financial advisor and nothing I say is to be taken as legal or financial
advice.
When I say the word SIP I mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal.
When I say the word DAO I mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization.
When I say SanFam I'm referring to the sandbox community, those who participate in the people,
product, and purpose of the sandbox ecosystem.
That ecosystem I explained in Sandow episode 31, everywhere from game makers to the sandbox
team, from the gang client to the DAO, to the white paper, and all of the things that
Sebastian, Arthur, and Yatt discuss.
All that coming together to form the ecosystem.
And today's episode is squarely centered on episodes that the sandbox team, specifically
in the DAO, put out, which was Digging in the Sand episodes 3 and 4.
Scoreboard.
There are still two SIPs open for voting, 6, 16, and 17.
Please go vote.
They did make quorum.
Awesome.
Thank you.
And I'll be doing a read through and or an interview with SIP 17 author if we can schedule
time.
And then SIP 19, which is going to be the Sandow podcast, the one you're listening to
right now.
And the as yet unnamed SIP, probably SIP 18, going to be called Team Selection for User
Generated Platform Development, where we get to choose between the two proposers for the
RFP.
We're still at nine SIPs approved, six SIPs not approved, and all of them were not approved
because of quorum.
So it's pretty exciting to hear quorum is working with the delegate system.
So we're still at 15.5 million budget.
Although we're due to get a new 15.5 million budget in January, having spent 15% of that
or 2.3 million sand.
Now based on AI, we're still at 211,000 token holders, 2200 voters, having casted 9200 votes.
My name is Lancer.
I am the podcast host for Sandow, also president of the MetaWorlds group where we have published
two experiences, Floor Droppers and Lava Defense.
Floor Droppers is currently in office season four.
And we are also SIP authors and DAO participants.
This all began May 28th when the Sandbox DAO was released via Medium article and also announced
at NFC Lisbon.
From there, we got a number of SIPs to vote on, number of town halls, AMAs, all culminating
in October 14th when the new communications manager, Kanta, was announced.
He immediately set to increasing the transparency and repairing relationships, starting with
the Digging in the Sand podcast episode a month later, November 17th.
I covered that episode 50.
And I covered the communications manager, his announcement episode 32.
Then came the second Digging in the Sand podcast episode, which was about progressive decentralization.
I covered that in episode 52.
And today's episode is December 17th and 20th, which was the third and fourth episodes.
Third episode being about the official delegates and their introductions, and the fourth being
a continuation of community concerns being discussed.
This is the Digging in the Sand official Sandbox DAO podcast with Kanta.
If you are not subscribed, please go do that.
He is really doing the sort of stuff that a lot of the community is very happy with,
and we're very, very excited to have him.
So some context that I had explained on episode 30, episode 50 was the DAO Medium article.
You can look at episode 33 for that.
Birth of the Sandbox DAO, which I cover.
Is it a conspiracy?
Probably not.
And go through all of the, was it transparent?
Was it excessive?
Was it urgent?
That was episode 31.
And then episode 32 was the reaction to Kanta's bringing on the Sandbox DAO team.
And then the new SIP submission guidelines was episode 35.
And Digging in the Sand episode 1 reaction was episode 50.
And then Digging in the Sand episode 2 reaction was Sandow episode 52.
So today is on December 19th, episode 3, and December 20th, episode 4.
Today is December 21st.
So just a day later.
So let's start with episode 3.
It was a very short, brief introduction to all the delegates.
So our, here on Sandow podcast, we introduced and interviewed 12, excuse me, 10 of the 12
delegates.
And we did it in long form.
So most of them were an hour long.
Some of them were by text, so it was closer to half an hour.
But we interviewed most of them and we asked them questions like, what's your background?
What's your Sandfam history?
How do you vote?
What SIPs do you support?
What SIPs do you not support?
And were you, do you have any special agreements with the Sandboxed Dow that would cause you
to vote a certain way?
Turns out none of them do.
And this is pretty much a hands-free delegation of 2 million voting power to each delegate
and they get to vote how they see fit in accordance with the code of conduct that they've agreed
to abide by.
So that was episode 3.
I won't go into it too much because it, some of it is a very shorthand version, like two
to three minutes per delegate.
But the thing I want to touch on here was that they gave three shout outs to Sandow
podcast and I just want to go through them here pretty quick.
It won't take very long.
And yeah, spoiler alert is I was just blown away.
I was blown away that they mentioned Sandow podcast.
But here are the references and episode three, where they just go through each delegate.
Each one gets about a minute, two minute pre-recorded video shown about what they, what they want
to accomplish.
So here's the first mention in the very beginning with the concept.
So today you're going to meet some of those verified delegates that I mentioned.
These are the Sandfam that our Dow admin team has vetted.
They all have at least 2 million votes as their VP.
So you can find these delegates, like I said, sandboxdow.com forward slash delegation.
The best ways to learn more about them is on their socials, is on the Dow forums, which
is forum.sandboxdow.com or Lancer has dropped a podcast interviewing all of them in depth.
So maybe you'll watch this video and you'll narrow it down to two or three people and
you'll go watch those longer videos from Lancer.
So that was the first one.
And the second one, Secret Meow, during his brief introduction mentioned Sandow as well.
For SIPs, it is really simple.
My main goal is to support proposals that improve tools and enhance the player experience.
I'm less supportive of SIPs that do not help the platform grow or that are not a priority
at the moment.
So if you want to know more about me, go check out the interview with Lancer.
And if you want to...
And third one, Kanta mentioned Sandow podcast again at the end of the video.
One of the best ways to learn more about them is probably on their socials.
Lancer is in the Dow forums, forum.sandboxdow.com or on Lancer's podcast.
Like I mentioned earlier, he did an hour long deep dive with each of the delegates.
So to say I'm blown away is an understatement.
The relationship between myself and the Dow admin team wasn't always positive and spectacular.
As some of you may know, I was very critical of the Dow admin team for what I perceive
to be a lack of transparency, a lack of a number of things.
Since Kanta has arrived, he has done wonders in repairing those relationships, particularly
between myself and the Dow admin team to the point where I issued that public apology back
to Cyril for being so intense and harsh.
And I think we've since buried the hatchet on that.
So nothing but moving forward to me in my view.
In each episode Kanta does, he continually peels back the onion and asks the hard questions
and doesn't shy away from the reality of what San Fam really thinks about the Dow and the
Dow admin team.
So that is just so cool.
I couldn't believe when I listened to this episode that they gave Sandow and myself a
shout out that yes, this 23 minute video does contain I think 10 or 11 of the 12 delegates
and their short one to two minute video introductions of each person.
And while you're listening, if you want to narrow down to a few of them that you really
want to know more about them, then you can go to Lanza's podcast, this podcast you're
listening to right now, Sandow, and then listen to the hour long long form that I did with
each of them.
I did 10 of the 12 in the span of a week and took a lot of coordinating and it's just really,
really special and humbling for the communications manager to what felt like honoring the work
that I've done and that the delegates did with the Sandow podcast and communicating
with them and hearing their thoughts and the way they want to approach voting.
So I just could not believe it and was so honored and I feel very humbled that that
feels like synergy to me.
I think I even put down in the comment down here.
Right.
I said, I really think it's cool that that he did the short videos, the short enticing
videos and then and then called people to go view my videos to to see the longer form
to learn more about them.
And to me, that's like that's harmony.
That's cohesion.
That's the sort of thing that really is just it's preparing relationships.
It's honoring other people in the Dow and their contributions and I just felt very grateful.
So thank you again, Kunta for for making that decision.
And it's not just me you're honoring you.
You've honored many other people as well and give given shout outs to others.
So I really, really appreciated that and it was very special to me.
So that's all I wanted to say about episode three.
The rest of the episode was about each of the delegates introducing themselves.
Again, if you've seen any of the long form that I did, it's a it's a longer version of
that.
But they did pre recorded video specifically for this episode.
So there are a few things that are different, but each one introduces themselves a minute,
two minutes and I heard a lot of the same similar things I heard them talk about on
standup podcast.
Okay, so let's get to the the other one.
The real big one that this episode about which is episode four.
It is a continuation of Cyril and Kunta discussing community concerns.
And for that, this episode, I'm gonna break open a nice bottle of apothec red, which is
a winemakers blend that's supposed to be a rich and smooth.
So I'm gonna enjoy a nice little glass of red while we go through this.
It's another short one, 20 minutes.
So I got my comments to be down to something concise.
And so that we can just kind of move through it.
And yeah, it was another positive step forward and transparency.
I really, really enjoyed listening to Cyril explain his thought process behind everything.
And I just I'm just grateful to Kunta for for engaging Cyril and having him explain
his thought process.
And I have great respect for Cyril, having the courage to be vulnerable with the community
and explain that this is what I was thinking at the time, I get that it might not have
made sense now, but it made sense at the time and it was well thought out.
Like I get it.
I get it.
Not not all plans go the way you expect.
So all that did was just give me understanding and sympathy and wanting to to protect the
Dow and protect the admin team now.
Not from the community, but just because I understand where they're coming from.
And they're just they're humans.
They're people just like us.
So it's 27 minutes.
I'm going to put it on 1.5.
And we're gonna we're gonna step through this.
It's an awesome episode.
If you want to listen to it at length, just uninterrupted, I recommend you go to the sandbox
Dow YouTube channel and listen to it there.
All right, Sam, Sam, what's up?
We're going to jump right into the fun as usual with some ho ho ho's and some Merry
Christmas fun.
Cue the pixelated elves.
I've got Cyril with me again.
And today we're going to just do some updates, reminders and the last few community concerns
we're going to address with you guys just kind of like carrying on from episodes one
and two as we move forward into the holiday season here with episode four of the Digging
in the Sand podcast.
We're digging every week and we're going to keep it up for y'all.
So I think it's awesome that you're digging every week and I'm keep going, Kunta.
Keep going with that.
You know, some of our our last episode, this is probably our last episode for for 2024
together.
So with that note, I mean, it's probably a good time to give you guys some updates on
what we've been up to, some reminders of other things that are ongoing.
So I got a couple of bullets of things we want to mention to you guys, maybe some successes,
maybe challenges we've come across over the last.
What has it been since May?
Yeah, May the opening.
And we're recording right now on December 12th.
So it's been a long year and we've done a lot.
Let's see.
I mean, we'll start at the top.
We've got 12K on snapshot now.
So there's 12,000 people with voting potential.
The goal was what?
The goal was a thousand.
It was a thousand on snapshot, a thousand on Twitter and a thousand on the forum.
Awesome.
And Twitter is up to 2300 followers.
So more than twice the goal.
I'm not quite sure what the difference is there because I need to investigate that a little
further because I track how many people are in the Dow and per Dow based AI, there's 211,000
token holders and 2200 voters.
So I'm not really sure exactly where they're getting the, the 12,000.
I'm not there to try and figure that part out and understand what the difference is.
Maybe that's the number of token holders when they do the snapshot for the vote.
I'm sure.
But the fact that a thousand was the goal, man, they blew that out of the water almost
instantly.
And especially how Cyril and the Dow admin team connected with Alpha season four, they
really beefed up those numbers when they made it part of the reward system where you got
like, I think a hundred experience points hoard Alpha season four when you joined the
Dow.
So brilliant move.
And it really increased our participation.
All organic, you know?
So that's the way we want to keep it.
800 on the forum.
So a little bit shy of the goal there.
You know, we want to get more people participating in the communication.
You can already tell how many more people are participating in communications.
I'm on the forum constantly.
And my recommendation, if you're wondering how I'm on the forums all the time, I have
an app called discourse.
So the discourse actually has an app you can connect to the sandboxed out forums.
So I recommend you do that if you want to stay more engaged.
That's how I do it.
And that's really one of the challenges, the community concerns that would be addressed
today too, is just low participation.
I am some other, some other goals that were met were delegations in place now.
It's awesome.
Right.
So we should be reaching quorum.
The next vote that is so awesome.
It goes, let's see, we've just opened yesterday.
Yeah, yesterday we just opened some votes.
So they'll be open for two weeks on the two six that are out there now.
So we're on our way towards reaching quorum pretty effectively with this batch.
Hopefully that'll be the case.
So if anybody's interested more in delegation at sandboxedout.com forward slash delegation,
where you can find our 12 verified delegates.
And there's a video here on YouTube, six minute quick video on how you can delegate your voting
power.
That's an excellent segue to the quick reminder for anybody listening.
If you hold sand, you hold land, you're already a member of the Dow.
So you can leverage that VP yourself, or you could delegate your voting power to one
of our verified delegates without handing over any of your assets or just.
I like the way country explains that if you're holding land, if you're holding sand, you're
already a Dow member.
So earlier when I talked about the ecosystem, those people there on the left, the green,
the gamers, game makers, voxel artists, landowners, sandholders, Dow delegates, participants, sandbox
team.
I think that includes everyone in Sandfam.
So landowners and sandholders, they are the token holders who one land equals 4,500 voting
power, one sand equals one voting power.
So there's clearly an incentive to hold land and it's an NFT that you have in your wallet
and for every one land, you have 4,500 voting power.
So that's what he means by you're already part of the Dow because having those tokens
allows you to vote in the Dow automatically.
Just handing over the voting power of them.
So watch that quick video on delegation here on YouTube.
What else?
In the last, since May, community sentiment has certainly changed.
Oh my gosh, has it changed, Kanta?
And you were a major part of that.
And it's not to say that Cyril didn't try.
I know he did.
He really did try, especially when he started putting out the bi-weekly updates on the announcement
page.
That did help.
I started noticing the change there and also I saw him give some personal anecdotes for
stories that he encountered as he was the Dow admin, the Dow administrator.
And to me, that was a lot of, that was a good faith step toward helping us understand what
his, where his mind was, whereas before I had zero knowledge on that.
Bobby came in and just took that to the next level, bringing Cyril on for multiple podcast
episodes.
The most impressive thing in my opinion was when he screen shared the poll results and
you just saw like, now admin team's not listening to me.
I don't feel heard.
There's no transparency.
It was rushed and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It was just rough.
But they, they showed that with a straight face and they tackled it head on and that
earned my respect.
That earned my respect.
You don't, you don't mess around with what should have been or what could have been.
You deal with what is in the Dow where we are a community.
And that's exactly what Conta and Cyril did.
They asked the hard question, like what, what is it the community is saying?
And they listened and the community told them exactly what we thought.
And they're like, okay, okay, some, some improvements in growth areas.
That's, that's the best I could have hoped for right there.
That's what I wanted to hear the day after the Dow was announced.
I understand from Cyril from episode digging in the sand episode one, why it wasn't the
case like that, why they believed that, that it was going to be a bigger bang to, to announce
it all at once.
But it didn't go that way because they didn't anticipate the reaction from sand fan completely
understand.
I completely understand.
I'm a program manager myself in real life and my professional life and things don't
always go the way you plan.
So you adapt and you do better and you fail fast and you fail forward and you keep on
iterating on success.
That's the name of the game.
And that's what I see Cyril doing here.
And he's continued engagements.
We're on now episode four, three of them for digging in the sand was Cyril explained his
rationale and his thoughts.
The more I see Cyril explain himself, the more confidence, faith and trust I have in
his role and the rest of the Dow admin team.
So as far as I'm concerned, as Kunta as the communications manager, mission accomplished,
mission accomplished.
Great job.
Yeah, definitely.
I see too.
I think that the very few, the very first saw interactions we had with what the hell
you guys was doing, what this Dow about and how this works.
That's exactly right.
What the hell are you guys doing?
What is this all about?
Now I think the conversation is moving more towards, okay, I think we've understood how
it works and we've acknowledged the mistakes we've made and we're trying to fix them.
And now the conversation is shifting more towards the SIPs.
And that's the whole reason of existence of a Dow is just to process SIP.
I completely agree with you, Cyril.
This conversation is shifting away from what is this to, okay, now that we kind of understand
what's going on and we understand the Dow admin team really is on our side and I don't
have to be suspicious of their motives.
Now I can focus on let's build better SIPs.
Let's build a better ecosystem.
Let's get those SIPs that we need to improve the ecosystem of the sandbox game that we
all love, whether it be the VoxEdit, the GameMaker, the client, the launcher, the land, Sandpoken
itself, whatever it might be.
Now the Dow community, I feel like the sentiment has changed to where we're unlocked and focused
on the ecosystem, not just is our Dow built on a house of cards managed by a Dow admin
team that is run amok.
That's clearly not the case anymore.
Because of the way Cyril is led us in on his inner thoughts and Kunta has opened that door
in a way that's responsible.
So fabulous.
Great job.
SIPs, right?
I'm very glad to see that transition happening as well.
Yeah, agreed.
It was a bumpy start and I feel like since I joined the team a few months ago, we've increased
the team's collective strengths and well-roundedness to be able to more candidly, openly, transparently,
even just effectively address the community.
So the return on that is people's sentiment improving and the focus turning more towards
the quality of the SIPs, the quantity of the SIPs.
I mean, if we're a factory or a production line, I mean, that's what we're supposed to
be pumping out, right?
Pushing out high quality SIPs.
The SIP factory.
Yeah.
So that's that.
I completely agree.
So 2025 is going to be about the shift into expanding the Dow, the turning away from,
you know, shifting focus, I'll say, from improving relationships and reestablishing
and strengthening trust to building that SIP factory and bringing more people into the
assembly line.
So also the team efficiency has really changed.
We are more efficient, more effective than we were six months ago.
Right.
So we've done a retrospective earlier today.
I think it's also interesting to share that with the community.
Interesting thing that he says retrospective.
I guess I'm not surprised at all that he said retrospective because he said he was a product
manager before.
Retrospective is done in agile development.
So you have your product, your backlog, which is what you need to do.
You do your backlog through sprints.
And at the end of your sprints, you do a retrospective.
The retrospective is basically a look back on what you did to try and, okay, we did well
here.
We didn't do well here.
So you make those observations and then you iterate on that success and you try to improve
those failures to do better the next time you do a sprint.
And that's basically agile.
You just keep going round and round and round and round.
Community when we looked at all of our success and failure and what we could do better for
next year.
So we've done that full exercise.
So we found a few things that we've done well.
I think you started to touch on that.
Deliver delegation, which is deliver the bloody Dow, by the way, just just acknowledging that.
And now that I understand just how much went into this Dow, that is a big acknowledgement.
Yeah.
And also all the stuff that we think went wrong and the stuff that we could do better,
like for example, engaging with the sandbox ambassador, engaging with different departments
on the sandbox.
We know the seed that we're targeting platform changes were quite challenged by the team
at the sandbox as well for good reason.
So we need to find a way to make that work.
That right there is telling me I need to look in between the lines there.
So it's not just that the Dow admin team and the, and the sandbox game company are working
hand in hand on everything.
What that's saying to me is that actually there is a little bit of friction there.
There is a little bit of tension between the Dow admin team and the sandbox game team,
which, which is actually very helpful to know because it means that when I asked something
that the Dow admin team might meet Lancer, I know that it doesn't just happen right away
because they're not all kumbaya.
There has to be some sort of realistic approach and they get, they got into this in episode
two where they started talking about how the, some of the SIPs like mine right now, SIP
16, introducing a filter into the end game adds to the product backlog of the product
team for the sandbox game company.
Well, they already have a backlog.
So what the heck are they supposed to do with our backlog in the Dow?
And navigating that tells me that, okay, I need to equip the Dow admin team as much as
possible so that they have the, the firepower, the ammunition, the rationale they need to
find a compromise or an accommodation or an arrangement with the product team at the sandbox
Dow game company to do the thing that the Dow sipped into existence with a yes vote.
That also tells me that maybe I need to make sure my realist, my expectations are realistic
and that not everything is going to go the way we thought after a SIP is yes voted because
the product team gets a vote too.
The one who has to do this stuff, they're not the Dow, they are the game company.
The Dow is the voice of the community.
It's really, it helps move puzzle pieces into place.
Whereas before we had no idea, we had no idea this stuff was going on.
But now with this education comes the power and the ability to take responsibility, me,
myself as a community member to know that I need to go the extra mile in explaining
this rationale so that the Dow admin team can carry that forward to the product team
and have the best chance of success to find an arrangement versus there being a conflict
because the product team believes that whatever it is that we're trying to do is too much
and it's a good idea fairy and that doesn't doesn't really help the ecosystem.
So little stuff like this is exactly what we mean by transparency and San Fam knowing
that this helps us help the ad Dow admin team more so than if we didn't.
Somehow between the community and the sandbox proper as well.
So there's a lot of stuff for us to improve and we're constantly trying to do that.
I will share on next Monday the update on all of the project.
You will see like a list of all of the stuff we're going on with our advancement and you
will be able to track how we're doing to fix things up and to improve the Dow.
I mean, we've published new guidelines as well.
It's also one of the things we did to be more efficient because now with the new guidelines,
it has two objectives.
We think it's going to increase the quality of SIP, the quality of SIP, the quality that
we've written like it answers the questions for us just by going through the process.
And also for us now we receive SIPs automatically.
They sort it in a particular way.
It's more easy for us to pick up the SIP and just finish the creation, finish the last
part with the author.
All of that was possible because of these new guidelines as well.
So because we're such a small team, you know, five people, I think we're now getting into
a place where we're getting very efficient.
And it's I think saying they took us six months is fine.
I think it's standard in the industry.
You know, you want to.
I agree.
It is standard.
I lead a couple of product teams myself on product management.
All right.
I'm program.
I'm a program manager, which means multiple projects.
And then one of my program management positions is a portfolio manager, which means multiple
programs.
So six months is pretty standard.
Anything over, I'd say a million dollar, about a million dollar product takes multiple months
to do because you're talking about almost a dozen stakeholders, processes for approval,
development cycle, fielding and sustainment cycles, R&Ds, production, manufacturing.
It takes it takes a while.
So six months seems realistic to me, just like Cyril just mentioned.
You create an entire new team when nobody knows each other really well or used to work
with each other before.
It takes six months to really get into a place when we are transforming ourselves into a
machine where we just go, go, go, go.
And I think I'm proud of what we achieved together, you know, frankly.
I agree.
I am too.
We spent we spent two hours with the team before to reflect on that.
Yeah.
A quick glimpse behind the scenes for anybody listening.
Our meetings are very efficient and effective.
And we have established some nice, clear routines on getting things done and sharing information
between each other to try to do more with the same resources or even less in some cases,
working across time zones with a nearly global team.
And we've dialed in our tools, the software that we're using to, you know, still a few
things.
The one thing that I would note there is that sometimes the DAO admin team seems too efficient.
I know they have the ability to use the the what's it called?
The operations budget.
I'm going to show you what that looks like.
So if you go to Sam Muck's DAO's website, yeah.
And then you go to the dashboard.
If you scroll down, you'll see the allocation per category, the operations budget, 1.8 million
SIP SIP sand, 1.8 million sand right here.
This is the DAO's day to day operations, which is paying the team the technical maintenance
and rewards.
The DAO admin team has made clear that they have pre approval to spend that full budget.
Right now it looks like they have a little over half, 64 percent.
Sometimes it seems like they are overly cautious of utilizing that budget, which to me is a
good thing.
That means that they are conscious, they are conscious of their responsibility to be good
stewards of that budget and not overspend.
On the flip side, now that I understand what problems they're going through to get to where
they are, I don't think I would be mad if Serial were to loosen up a little bit more
on those restrictions and start spending the money to produce results.
Those results are faster SIPs and more timely payments and faster project completion of
his backlog.
He shares it and so his backlog is enormous.
He's been working on delegations, he's been working on APIs, he's been working on hiring
new people, like all these things Serial is doing.
Clearly he's putting in a lot of work.
Could he be doing these things faster with a little bit more money if he were spending
a little bit more money?
I would not be angry if he did because now that I understand where his head's at, I have
faith and trust that he's going to use those resources responsibly.
Just my opinion.
Things we could tweak that we hit on in our meeting earlier and the team dynamics are
just great.
The best teams are the ones that really enjoy each other's company and that can certainly
be said for what's going on here.
There's an old adage, people quit their bosses, they don't quit the company.
When your people are leaving you, look first to yourself if you're the leader, if you're
the boss.
Look first to yourself, then look to whatever else it is.
People who like each other and are cohesive together, they're effective teams.
Oh, that's true.
That's great.
The SIP guidelines that Cyril was referring to, that's sandboxdow.com forward slash guidelines
and that's just outlining the standards, the submission best practices for drafting a SIP
and what that process looks like.
Also to that end, we will be hosting monthly SIP workshops or can you just...
That's so awesome.
I would even volunteer to help with that because I've done six SIPs at this point that I've
submitted.
I've gone through the ringer.
I've gone through just about every sort of reaction I could get out of the Dow admin
team, good and bad.
So I think I could help with that.
Q&A, we address frequently asked questions.
We run through examples on how to develop a SIP.
We'll be doing those every month starting in January.
So keep an eye out for those.
Also on the SIP thought, another little teaser here, this should be coming out maybe a week
or so before Christmas.
On Christmas, the SIPs that are currently in discussion will be going to vote and new
SIPs will be coming up for discussion.
You can expect that kind of two week cycle where every two weeks there'll be two SIPs
up for vote and two SIPs in discussion and then they just keep cycling through those.
At first I was really angry with that two SIPs because it felt like it was, it felt
like it was prohibitive.
Now I see the wisdom.
I see the wisdom in that consistency, that pattern.
It makes it easy to plan my schedule around.
So like if I have to take a vacation, well not have to, if I have to take a work trip,
which is much more likely, I take a lot of work trips.
If I have to take some time off or if I have an appointment, I know now how to plan because
of this, this two week cycle.
So on the 25th on Christmas, we will be bringing down the chimney for everybody.
Hey, wow, look at that.
I just blurred out.
Do you see that on your screen?
Wow, I just disappeared and faded back in.
I went ghosting y'all.
I promise I won't ghost y'all.
I'm here for the long run.
Good, Kunta.
Good.
Me too.
I am as well.
And I think Cyril is too.
I haven't heard what Cyril's long-term plans are, but I'm happy.
The more I learn about him, the more I hear him speak and hear him speak to us as our
Tao administrator, the more I have faith and trust in his abilities and the more I
want him to stay, the longer I want him to stay.
Yeah, I went through the chimney.
What we're going to try to deliver, you know, if all of the reindeer get in line here on
the 25th, there will be a community-focused SIP that our team, the admin team has been
working on collectively with a well-known member of the community who you guys will
all recognize.
And I think everybody's going to love where we're going with that.
So just...
By the time you see this episode, I wouldn't be surprised if you already know this.
So we just finished episode five.
We recorded episode five.
It was between myself, Dr. Metaverse, and Batman, and Kunta.
And we just let it have it.
Like the questions were, what were your reservations?
Let's get it out in the open.
And we did.
We let it have it.
But in that, Kunta also revealed that I had been...
So when they say that well-known community manager, I wouldn't exactly come to self-well
known, but I am the person they're referring to.
I was brought in on a SIP that Kunta and the team were putting together called the community
council SIP.
Kunta explains that in episode five, so I don't think I'm really revealing anything
crazy here.
But it is a community council SIP that elects community council members to a role that is
more of a direct link to the special council advisory board, all that sort of stuff.
I helped strengthen some of the language around disclosure rules to make sure that people
are on the up and up.
Make sure they are holding themselves to the highest ethical standard.
And then also some other generic comments that strengthen the proposal to make it ready.
So that's me.
They're talking about me.
And I was surprised.
I was only brought in on that like two, three weeks ago.
But ever since then, I did my review, my comments, that sort of thing.
And I agree that I would love to be a co-author of that.
It to me represents the step forward we need to bring in community members to link to leadership
in the DAO.
And this is the way we do that.
So I'm super excited.
I'm so excited for that.
I will be seeking a role in that on that council.
But I didn't really have much more time than anyone else did.
And I certainly am beyond my involvement here on the podcast.
I don't feel any more qualified than anyone else.
So I would just love for that step to go through so that we can improve our community involvement
in the DAO.
But yeah, they're talking about me.
I'm the person that helped them with this.
But they brought me in about two, three weeks ago, as of the date of December 21st.
Just a little teaser.
We're listening.
I think it's the first time.
Either we got two types of SIPs or three types.
The SIP that were entirely done by the community, a couple of SIPs we've done ourselves, like
the constitutional one, etc.
And the SIP that were done by the sandbox.
That's actually the first time we have a SIP that we've done in collaboration between
the admin team and the community with this famous community member.
And I felt so humbled right there where Cyril said famous community member.
The only reason I'm famous is because I'm so involved.
I'm talking and replying to everything.
And that's not because I feel special.
It's just because I'm excited to be in the DAO.
I'm excited to be participating.
I'm excited to be here to contribute.
And so the things people think of me as famous, I just, I don't know.
It makes me feel guilty.
But in the end, I am humbled that they thought to include me and ask me for my review.
Sometimes my relationship with the DAO admin team wasn't always positive.
I mentioned at the beginning of the episode that sometimes it was a little bit strained,
combative where I did not appreciate some of the comments they gave me on my SIP.
It felt like too intrusive.
It felt too excessive.
And so eventually we worked it out.
We are working it out now.
But here, now that I understand that mutual respect, I feel their respect.
And my respect extends to Cyril and Kunta as well.
And I'm very excited about that because I think going hand in hand show how far we've
come in our interaction with the community and the way we now are able to work and collaborate
together.
So I'm very excited about this one.
I hope this will be well received by the community and supported.
And I hope people will get excited and pay attention.
Yeah, I agree.
Great.
You're right.
It definitely speaks to the successes of things and to how we're going to be more effective
in the future.
As we start to try to grow the Dow, bring in hundreds of more sand and landholders,
having a positive place for them to call home where they see constructive collaboration
and healthy arguments.
This is a place for debates.
I mean, this is the place to debate ideas.
It just needs to be done with understanding that we're all working towards a shared common
goal.
And I think that's something that has evolved over the last few months.
People do see that now that we're all on the same team.
So that's awesome.
We're all on the same team.
Exactly right.
We can disagree.
We can get heated with each other.
We can sometimes think ill of each other, but we're on the same team.
We're working toward the same positive growth of our ecosystem.
What else?
We're on updates.
We've got a budget SIP incoming.
Budget SIP, yeah.
Yeah.
You know, we are on the annual donation from the sandbox.
So next year will be, next year, next year, next month, next year, will be our second,
this will be the first time we get a full allowance for a full team.
We've got our first allowance was prorated for this year.
We haven't spent a lot to be honest.
So no, they have not spent a lot at all.
And I showed you all what that would look like with the checkbook where we only have
been spending how many?
I think it was 2.5 million of 15 million, 15.5 million.
Right?
So we spent 15% of our budget so far.
That's what he's referring to when we haven't spent a lot.
We again, hoping to do better, but we are counting on the community to make proposals
and we'll do our best to process this proposal as fast as we can.
But that being said, there will be a SIP that is basically accepting the money that the
sandbox is going to give us with a different budget structure, not to tease too much.
But I think one of the things with.
I really like the way serial is talking.
I keep saying this zero sounds like my Dow admin manager administrator.
Excuse me.
He sounds like the Dow administrator speaking to me, a community manager speaking to you,
a community manager.
He sounds like a real person.
He didn't sound like he's on a publicity tour.
It doesn't sound like he's he's trying to convince anyone of anything.
He's just speaking about what he's been doing, what his rationale is, what his thoughts are.
And that is, that's what's real about this.
That's what's really going to build that trust and faith.
We've discussed in retrospective as well as some stuff has been working behind the scenes
is I don't think the way our budget in structure, you know, the nine buckets you see on the
website, I don't think they're optimal in provoking a diversity of SIPs.
We could have different category where there are more obvious to people.
And my objective with these new categories, simplification and also getting more diversity
in the type of SIPs we're going to receive.
So I'm working on that behind the scenes, something that, you know, learning from what
happened with our existing category and trying to do better.
And maybe in 2026, I do something even different.
But you know, that's a proposal that we put forward to the community, debated, discussed
and voted upon.
And we're looking forward to the feedback of the community on this one, too.
We will pay attention and if has to be adjusted, we'll adjust it accordingly.
What he's referring there, what he is referring to there is my, when they did the new SIP
guidelines, and I spoke about this in the very beginning, and the road to the Dow, let's
look here, where they talked about right here, October 14th, new SIP submission guidelines,
see that sand episode 35, where they reduce the number of budget categories that you could
talk to that you could apply for from eight to two, I believe, four.
So they almost slashed it in half.
So of the eight categories that you could apply to, you can only apply to four now.
And he went into some detail about that, how that happened because some of them were earmarked
for sandbox Dow, for sandbox game company alone, like staking.
And so did it make sense to allow the community to apply for them anymore?
His opinion was no.
At the time, I wasn't sure what I thought about that.
The more I learned about how these categories came to be, why they still exist, and what
he's looking to change them to.
Okay, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he has kind of a more strategic view
there than I do.
Yeah.
All right.
I mean, the only other update that I can think of, and I'm sure we're probably forgetting
a half a dozen, but stay tuned.
We are working on staking.
I think we're going to address that a little bit further because that was brought up as
a community concern in that poll with 371 participants is that staking, sand that is
in staking is not eligible as VP or voting power right now.
And that is being addressed.
So I'm going to do a couple of quick reminders and we'll just segue back right back into
staking under the topic of community concerns carrying on from episodes one and two.
But quick reminders.
I already said, if you hold Sanderland, you're in the Dow, you can vote, you can delegate
your voting power or you can author SIPs.
So kick around some ideas, get on the forum, encourage your friends who are building, playing,
investing in the sandbox to get in there and join the discussion.
That's really on all of us.
Check out those new SIP submission guidelines.
I told you sandbox.com forward slash guidelines.
Check out the how to delegate YouTube video.
It's really super easy to delegate that voting power.
And of course, if you aren't subscribed to this channel, jump down there, subscribe,
hit the like button, follow us on X, engage with some tweets.
We're all in this together, Sam fam.
So all right.
Community concerns.
We've got one, two, three, four things outstanding from our list that we wanted to address with
everybody.
There's staking, there's Dow operating in the gray area, landscape, the language barrier
that we're seeking to overcome on multiple fronts, as well as what we already mentioned
is low participation levels and how we want to address that in 2025.
So take it from the top.
Staking some kind of update on resolution there.
Yes, staking is taking a long time to figure out, to be honest, but we're hoping this would
be something that will be released next year.
We're working with the sandbox behind the scene.
The sandbox is managing the smart contracts that we have to collaborate with the blockchain
team at the sandbox.
Shout out to them if they're listening.
I didn't know that.
I did not know that the Dow admin team had to work with the sandbox game company because
they're the blockchain team that manages smart contracts.
Makes sense now that he says it like that.
I didn't realize it at the time.
And this is something that they have to be available for us as well.
Right.
So that's a code word.
What that means is it's difficult to find time for the Dow admin team to link up with
the blockchain team to discuss how to make that happen.
That's what that means with it's challenging.
They're really busy, that sort of thing.
That's usually code word for we want to meet with them more to try and figure this out,
but we're not able to always meet with them because of their busy schedules.
And as a program manager, as a product manager, that happens to you all the time with your
stakeholders.
You constantly coordinate schedules to make sure that you can do that.
And when you don't, then you don't make the progress that you're looking to make toward
your product or service.
They're very busy.
They have a job, but we never need them.
So we've been making progress.
So I'm hoping we'll get this live by the end of next year.
What that means is they're making progress, but they're making slower progress than they
want to make.
That's what that translates into.
Next year.
So finally, we can include the staking and voting power.
How it's going to be calculated though, will be part of the SIP.
How staking is valued will be part of the SIP, but I'm looking to value two things, the amount
of SEND being staked and the duration of these SEND.
So we're looking for clever mechanism that we believe are as fair as possible to reward
the people that are with the sandbox on the long run.
So that's why it's also a bit more complex, not just including a smart contract in the
snapshot.
Brainwork, it's a bit more trying to do this right.
That's why it's taking a bit longer, but hanging there.
And that's something we would be very proud of.
After delegation, this would be our second significant project that would be delivered,
listening to community feedback.
I laugh there because you say it's harder than it seems because like my first thought
was like, man, isn't everything like, whenever we try to allocate some time to do something,
everything takes twice as long as you think it's going to.
That's probably why a lot of products teams never put dates on things.
Probably.
If you get it from the top, from the high vantage point.
That is true.
That is one of the reasons why you don't put dates on your, but when you're, when you're
held to a community standard like this, you've got to bite the bullet and go do it.
Yes, you're going to disappoint some people by not being able to meet all of your objectives.
However, it's more important that you say, this is the aim.
This is the target we shot for.
We missed it.
Here's our new target.
Then not communicate that target at all.
That's the worst possible case.
It's easy.
Even as soon as you get into the detail.
Oh, okay.
That's fine.
The devil is in the details, right?
Yeah.
Correct.
All right.
So we're going to move on from staking.
Ask any questions you guys want in the forum.
That's the place.
I think we can start a thread at some point about staking.
I'll be able to get the community's sentiment or ideas or whatever on the matter.
I think there will be a thread anyway, because it's part of the process.
Every time you see the seeper, sorry, there's a thread associated to it.
But now that we've mentioned that we're working on it multiple times.
I mean, if people want to.
And they did start the thread.
So check out staking, just put in the keyword staking in the forums.
You'll find it.
I've been, I just submitted a post earlier today about a formula I thought up about it.
But if you have thoughts on it, go ahead and put that in there and we'll help the DAO admin
team think through this.
Stop.
A discussion about staking, we will be happy to jump in there with you guys.
Yeah, that's great.
I made a note.
I'm going to open that staking thread and see if we can get that conversation started.
Because you know, that's anything that we're doing is, is, is in as many ways as possible
reflective of what it is that the broader community desires.
So I mean, those conversations are so important.
Otherwise, you know, we're kind of just shooting in the dark.
All right, I'm going to move on.
Now operating in the gray area landscape.
So some of this was addressed in episode two, where we connected so people can jump back
onto that past podcast.
Tell me more though.
Yeah, well, so the DAO is operating under a foundation, which is Cayman based as described
in SIP 2.
And it comes with a series of guidelines that we have to follow.
And it's not that easy to navigate that space.
It's not like this, this is not like a corporation.
This is not like a foundation exactly in the international sense of the term.
It's a Swiss foundation, sorry, not a Swiss foundation, a Cayman foundation.
And it comes with its load of, you know, guidelines.
And that's why the lawyers of the DAO are helping us navigate.
You're going to do a podcast episode on this?
About a week ago, I just finished reading through all the Cayman Islands business law,
the Cayman foundations law, a lot of different law for the Cayman Islands to understand what
that means that Cheryl just said, Cyril just said.
So I'm going to be doing an episode on that kind of a deep dive into what it all means,
break it down, and that way I can just for myself understand what it is that the DAO
admin team is facing.
There are a lot of guidelines that have to follow, specifically things like you have
to be certified by a central board within the Cayman Islands.
So in order to do a lot of the stuff for a foundation that the sandbox foundation is,
you have to have this license.
And with this license comes all these different requirements and can't do business without
it.
It's a whole thing, but I'm going to explain it in a podcast episode coming up about the
sandbox DAO foundation.
But frankly, it's such a moving environment.
Like we saw what happened with the Lido DAO.
The problem that was with the Lido DAO is that it was not a wrap DAO.
It was not covered by its foundation, something we have in our DAO.
Because we have that, it comes with a certain baggage.
We have to have a supervisor, a director, as it's all described in SIP 2.
So I think eventually you and I will probably reconnect, Bobby, as soon as I get more...
I need to work on some materials to try to explain better what it means.
I cannot do it off the cuff right now.
I would like to spend some time and structure my thoughts to really convey it in a more
simplistic way.
I'm doing the same thing.
I originally expected to do this episode last week, but it's so enormous and complex that
I have to also structure my thoughts.
I'm having difficulty because of how big it is and how connected it is with this body
of law meets that body of law.
But then the reference is this third body of law, which references the fourth body of
law.
There's all these different interconnected links that I'm trying to organize in a way
that's clearly understood.
So I get where he's coming from.
But eventually we touched on that.
I just wanted to say that sometimes if you're not satisfied with the way we answer questions
or if we're not necessarily answer them in the most direct way is because this is tricky
to get answers and to get like black and white answers on all of that stuff because this
is a moving subject.
This is an experiment.
This is something that is constantly shifting.
And with the election of Trump, we know there's a lot of stuff that happens in crypto as well.
So it's going to have ripple effects on how crypto is perceived and looked at in the regulatory
broader sense of the terms.
So there's also going to change.
So we constantly pay attention to these things.
But yeah, I'll come back with something at some point.
I certainly will.
And that's that's important context that these are dynamic relationships that are constantly
evolving and also kind of sensitive topics that are related to the safety and security
of down members.
Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to show you a little bit of what is that I'm referring to.
So you can see what's coming up.
Right.
So right now, this is just send a podcast X, but I've been stepping through this right
here of reading through their body of law and going through.
I'm just going to flip through it, reading through what it is that's important for us
to understand the other companies act, the foundation's company's law, the company's
management act.
What is a memorandum of association versus a versus a exempted company?
What does a foundation company even mean?
And what are the regulations that you have to abide by?
And it's a lot.
It's a lot of stuff.
And that's what's keeping me from doing this so far is because of just how much there is
to know on the subject.
And that's why we have that's why when Cheryl mentioned we have lawyers advising us.
Well, the reason we have an advisor is because of how complex all this can be.
So the sort of stuff that I'm going to be putting in front of you as a as a future episode.
It's just taken a lot because of how many how many different rules there are to abide
by.
And the ongoing sustainability of the Dow.
So that's going to be part of a an important and broader conversation.
And when we say early next year, I mean, that's only two weeks away.
So, you know, grateful for everybody's patience.
But as as we dial in exactly how to communicate about that in the most succinct and clear,
transparent way, that'll be part of an important conversation in early January is just how
the Dow is structured and how that is part of the safety, security and sustainability
of the videos, really, those three big S's and structure, the structure of the community,
its member and its foundation, the foundation people, us as an admin team and it's the community
is the three bodies basically that needs to be looked at.
I am OK.
So we're coming back to that.
That's a tabling it to be continued.
Language barrier is another ongoing community concern.
And again, just a reminder, what Cheryl and I are going through right now is a continuation
of episodes one and two where we're addressing the community concerns that were raised in
that poll with three hundred and seventy one participants.
So language barrier.
So we've got regionally distributed delegates basically across the globe.
That was one active choice that was made to start addressing this before we even released
that poll.
Correct.
Right.
We've paid attention to have a good representation of our community across the globe.
So if you look at this, there's never more than two people that are part of the same
continent or country.
And we're trying to do that.
That was a conscious choice when we created the delegates, like when we interviewed them
and we went through this whole process with them.
This was an active choice to make sure we've got that representation because we want to
have everybody feeling represented.
We want to have everybody that feels like they can make a SIP.
And if this is always the same cluster of people trusting all of the conversation and
everything, then you can exclude another portion of the population.
And we don't want to exclude another portion of the population.
And actually what the poll showed us is that there's a huge portion of us of the community
that is in Asia.
And I don't think there's enough.
I don't think the discussions on the forum are really representing the amount of the
people that we have in those regions of the world.
Yeah, I agree.
And I think that's mostly because they're not able to speak their native language.
So if you go into the sandbox game discord and you scroll down, you'll see all of the
country specific languages.
You'll see a lot of names there that you don't see elsewhere because they feel more comfortable.
I think it's because they feel more comfortable speaking there than they do English elsewhere.
So not surprisingly true.
So it's our job to try to find a way to reach that, that, that, that pool of people, that
pool of talent.
And so that's a challenge.
So it's something we're actively working on, starting with translation.
The very first first step was to translate the website in as many languages as we can.
I think today we've got simplified, simplified and traditional Chinese, French, Turkish,
Korean, Thai, I believe, English, of course.
So we're already translating the website across the board.
Awesome.
I don't know how to translate conversation off the cuff on the forum.
I don't think that's possible, but at least everybody should make an effort to speak in
English and then we rely on individual Google Translate or your preferred AI assistant.
But I think we try to remove those barriers as much as we can.
That's for sure.
And so we're doing that and we, yeah, we're actively working at least on the website from
on the stuff we can do.
We do, but we're also relying on any, any ideas to do this better.
Like for example, you know, having captions on the, on these conversation Bobby is an
important point.
So these captions are easier to translate, you know, whatever.
That's one thing I might do on my podcast.
When, if we get funded and the Sandow podcast sip is add captions, captions because of how
much easier it is to, I guess, to, to follow along, not just as an English speaker, but
I can only imagine if you don't hear English very well and you see, and you can read it,
then you're able to follow along a lot better.
It just seems like it's, it's better all around.
So I'm happy to, I think I might incorporate that.
Whatever.
We are looking forward to your ideas as well to be as inclusive as we can of the community.
Yeah.
We're always open to community suggestions anywhere you want to give them.
We were working on a process for AI interpretation and then human checks out those interpretations
for things like sips on the forum.
Like Sarah alluded to there, you know, the standard across the globe is really to try
and keep international communications in English since it's kind of the global language.
I recognize my own privilege when I say that I'm very lucky and I'm the typical American.
I can't speak any other language other than American.
So whatever we could do to make that easier for people, it is going to be important at
the level of sips and at the level of the forum, the website is pretty robust already.
But if there's other languages we want to add on there, you guys tell us there is also
a demographics poll that will be live by the time that this episode is released as well.
So that's just asking important questions of our community.
Where are you from?
What language do you speak?
How you identify in other ways.
So getting to know who it is, who makes up the Dow is going to be important, especially
as we move on to this last bullet here.
Low participation.
This low participation might be a product, at least in some in some regards, some percentage
of the low participation is because people aren't seeing their native language and it's
hard to communicate on forums.
Most of the people that are active are native English speakers.
There are some delegates who are putting things in their language and then translating it
to English right on the live post.
You know, you're all free to do that as well.
But I want to take that's happening quite a bit actually, where you can see some delegates
who are speaking in their native tongue and then translating in English in that post.
I translate that in English into mine and then I translate my response into their language.
To me, that is that is how we're figuring out how to dow with each other.
How do you dow with a native French speaker who doesn't feel comfortable speaking English?
Should I demand they speak in English?
I don't think so.
I think that's what translators for.
So we are trying to figure that out in real time right now.
But then the San Fam community take this opportunity as just a big call to action to all of our
San Fam out there.
Like if you're watching this, if you've listened this far into Sarah and I rambling about our
successes and failures and community concerns, then jump on these ramblings are important.
These ramblings are how we organize our dow.
What sort of norms and what sort of culture do we create?
On to your socials.
Make a call to all of the San Fam, your friends who are investing, who are playing, who are
building and tell them that they're already a member of the dow.
Just get involved, jump on the forums and participate.
We're going to have a lot of fun here next year.
I'm going to make a shift towards marketing next year.
My focus has been internal largely for my entire time with the team.
It's been focused on building and strengthening relationships internally with the people who
are active.
Now it's got to turn outwards a bit into marketing and into growth.
So any other thoughts on that, Sarah?
Looking forward for the participation on the SIPs that got released yesterday.
I think it's the first, I don't think, I know it's the first SIPs that got released since
delegation.
And I know it took us a while to get there and that there was a lot of SIP that got delayed
because of it.
But I'm paying close attention to our speed participation rate on snapshot and it's already
looking good, but we're not there yet.
We still have to reach this quorum.
Can't be looking at the delegates.
And we reach quorum today.
So SIP 16 and 17 reach quorum today, earlier this morning.
We made it and that is awesome.
So we keep doing that and then quorum will be a thing of the past.
Looking at the community at large.
Like, right, guys, this has been a while that no SIPs have been put out for vote.
So show your interest and go and cast your vote.
Like, don't only count on the delegates.
You also have a voice.
So I'm looking at this stuff and I don't think quorum is going to be a problem for those
SIPs.
And if it is, that would be a big L on us.
But still paying attention and I want these SIPs to succeed.
Whether it's a yes or a no, you know what I mean?
I'm looking at purely...
I agree.
Whether it's a yes or no, I want them to make quorum.
Participation rate.
Quorum.
All right.
I feel like that's about it.
I mean, we hit our updates.
We dropped some reminders.
We addressed those last four topics.
I'm always going to do my best to respect everybody's time out there.
I know it's our most valuable resource, all of us, well beyond any of the tokens we're
stacking.
So go spend some time with your family this holiday and enjoy the people who are giving
you love.
I'm one of them.
Absolutely love all the Sand Fam out there.
So keep coming back.
We're going to keep digging in the sand.
We're going to be here for you every week.
We're always there on the forum just about every day.
So you guys know where to find us.
X.com forward slash the SandboxDAO.
X.com is where you can jump into those conversations and that's it.
Anything else?
Have a nice Sunday, everybody.
See you soon.
Happy Christmas.
Keep digging.
You dig in.
All right.
That was good.
I really enjoyed that.
So, so much so that I was drinking a nice winemakers blend of apothec red.
So super happy, super excited to hear all of those things.
And I am just keep going.
Please keep communicating the, the, the way you're thinking about how to run our DAO,
the decisions you make.
It's hugely helpful to understand that inner dialogue going on in the sound, the SandboxDAO
admin team.
Okay.
So we're finished with this episode for Sandbox spaces.
Please check discord slash hashtag DAO discussion.
There's also the SandboxDAO.com forums.
Check out Sam hashtag Sandfam hashtag the SandboxDAO hashtag the Sandbox game on YouTube.
You have the SandboxDAO at Lanza YT, which is the podcast you're listening to right now
called Sandow podcast and also at Sandfam cafe on Mondays.
You have Mogaverse hall, which is Mondays.
And you have on Saturdays, you have Bulls on the Block.
Monday through Friday, you have coffee with captain and Tuesdays is whale members.
That's where Sandfam will gather mostly.
Thank you all for your time.
Really appreciate you.
You taking this time to hear my thoughts and my commentary on digging in the sand episodes
three and four and they continue transparency I see from Kanta and Cyril.
Thanks Forever and God bless you, Sam.