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Hello everyone, welcome to the Sandow Podcast 53.

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Today we'll be doing a reaction to Digging in the Sand episodes 3 and 4, which just released

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two days ago.

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It'll be a reaction plus commentary today.

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I do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox style foundation.

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I am not your legal or financial advisor and nothing I say is to be taken as legal or financial

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advice.

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When I say the word SIP I mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal.

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When I say the word DAO I mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization.

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When I say SanFam I'm referring to the sandbox community, those who participate in the people,

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product, and purpose of the sandbox ecosystem.

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That ecosystem I explained in Sandow episode 31, everywhere from game makers to the sandbox

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team, from the gang client to the DAO, to the white paper, and all of the things that

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Sebastian, Arthur, and Yatt discuss.

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All that coming together to form the ecosystem.

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And today's episode is squarely centered on episodes that the sandbox team, specifically

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in the DAO, put out, which was Digging in the Sand episodes 3 and 4.

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Scoreboard.

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There are still two SIPs open for voting, 6, 16, and 17.

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Please go vote.

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They did make quorum.

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Awesome.

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Thank you.

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And I'll be doing a read through and or an interview with SIP 17 author if we can schedule

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time.

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And then SIP 19, which is going to be the Sandow podcast, the one you're listening to

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right now.

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And the as yet unnamed SIP, probably SIP 18, going to be called Team Selection for User

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Generated Platform Development, where we get to choose between the two proposers for the

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RFP.

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We're still at nine SIPs approved, six SIPs not approved, and all of them were not approved

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because of quorum.

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So it's pretty exciting to hear quorum is working with the delegate system.

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So we're still at 15.5 million budget.

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Although we're due to get a new 15.5 million budget in January, having spent 15% of that

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or 2.3 million sand.

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Now based on AI, we're still at 211,000 token holders, 2200 voters, having casted 9200 votes.

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My name is Lancer.

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I am the podcast host for Sandow, also president of the MetaWorlds group where we have published

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two experiences, Floor Droppers and Lava Defense.

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Floor Droppers is currently in office season four.

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And we are also SIP authors and DAO participants.

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This all began May 28th when the Sandbox DAO was released via Medium article and also announced

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at NFC Lisbon.

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From there, we got a number of SIPs to vote on, number of town halls, AMAs, all culminating

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in October 14th when the new communications manager, Kanta, was announced.

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He immediately set to increasing the transparency and repairing relationships, starting with

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the Digging in the Sand podcast episode a month later, November 17th.

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I covered that episode 50.

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And I covered the communications manager, his announcement episode 32.

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Then came the second Digging in the Sand podcast episode, which was about progressive decentralization.

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I covered that in episode 52.

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And today's episode is December 17th and 20th, which was the third and fourth episodes.

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Third episode being about the official delegates and their introductions, and the fourth being

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a continuation of community concerns being discussed.

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This is the Digging in the Sand official Sandbox DAO podcast with Kanta.

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If you are not subscribed, please go do that.

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He is really doing the sort of stuff that a lot of the community is very happy with,

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and we're very, very excited to have him.

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So some context that I had explained on episode 30, episode 50 was the DAO Medium article.

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You can look at episode 33 for that.

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Birth of the Sandbox DAO, which I cover.

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Is it a conspiracy?

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Probably not.

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And go through all of the, was it transparent?

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Was it excessive?

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Was it urgent?

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That was episode 31.

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And then episode 32 was the reaction to Kanta's bringing on the Sandbox DAO team.

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And then the new SIP submission guidelines was episode 35.

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And Digging in the Sand episode 1 reaction was episode 50.

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And then Digging in the Sand episode 2 reaction was Sandow episode 52.

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So today is on December 19th, episode 3, and December 20th, episode 4.

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Today is December 21st.

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So just a day later.

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So let's start with episode 3.

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It was a very short, brief introduction to all the delegates.

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So our, here on Sandow podcast, we introduced and interviewed 12, excuse me, 10 of the 12

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delegates.

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And we did it in long form.

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So most of them were an hour long.

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Some of them were by text, so it was closer to half an hour.

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But we interviewed most of them and we asked them questions like, what's your background?

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What's your Sandfam history?

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How do you vote?

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What SIPs do you support?

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What SIPs do you not support?

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And were you, do you have any special agreements with the Sandboxed Dow that would cause you

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to vote a certain way?

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Turns out none of them do.

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And this is pretty much a hands-free delegation of 2 million voting power to each delegate

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and they get to vote how they see fit in accordance with the code of conduct that they've agreed

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to abide by.

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So that was episode 3.

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I won't go into it too much because it, some of it is a very shorthand version, like two

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to three minutes per delegate.

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But the thing I want to touch on here was that they gave three shout outs to Sandow

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podcast and I just want to go through them here pretty quick.

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It won't take very long.

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And yeah, spoiler alert is I was just blown away.

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I was blown away that they mentioned Sandow podcast.

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But here are the references and episode three, where they just go through each delegate.

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Each one gets about a minute, two minute pre-recorded video shown about what they, what they want

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to accomplish.

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So here's the first mention in the very beginning with the concept.

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So today you're going to meet some of those verified delegates that I mentioned.

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These are the Sandfam that our Dow admin team has vetted.

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They all have at least 2 million votes as their VP.

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So you can find these delegates, like I said, sandboxdow.com forward slash delegation.

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The best ways to learn more about them is on their socials, is on the Dow forums, which

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is forum.sandboxdow.com or Lancer has dropped a podcast interviewing all of them in depth.

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So maybe you'll watch this video and you'll narrow it down to two or three people and

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you'll go watch those longer videos from Lancer.

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So that was the first one.

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And the second one, Secret Meow, during his brief introduction mentioned Sandow as well.

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For SIPs, it is really simple.

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My main goal is to support proposals that improve tools and enhance the player experience.

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I'm less supportive of SIPs that do not help the platform grow or that are not a priority

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at the moment.

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So if you want to know more about me, go check out the interview with Lancer.

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And if you want to...

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And third one, Kanta mentioned Sandow podcast again at the end of the video.

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One of the best ways to learn more about them is probably on their socials.

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Lancer is in the Dow forums, forum.sandboxdow.com or on Lancer's podcast.

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Like I mentioned earlier, he did an hour long deep dive with each of the delegates.

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So to say I'm blown away is an understatement.

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The relationship between myself and the Dow admin team wasn't always positive and spectacular.

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As some of you may know, I was very critical of the Dow admin team for what I perceive

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to be a lack of transparency, a lack of a number of things.

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Since Kanta has arrived, he has done wonders in repairing those relationships, particularly

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between myself and the Dow admin team to the point where I issued that public apology back

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to Cyril for being so intense and harsh.

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And I think we've since buried the hatchet on that.

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So nothing but moving forward to me in my view.

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In each episode Kanta does, he continually peels back the onion and asks the hard questions

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and doesn't shy away from the reality of what San Fam really thinks about the Dow and the

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Dow admin team.

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So that is just so cool.

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I couldn't believe when I listened to this episode that they gave Sandow and myself a

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shout out that yes, this 23 minute video does contain I think 10 or 11 of the 12 delegates

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and their short one to two minute video introductions of each person.

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And while you're listening, if you want to narrow down to a few of them that you really

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want to know more about them, then you can go to Lanza's podcast, this podcast you're

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listening to right now, Sandow, and then listen to the hour long long form that I did with

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each of them.

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I did 10 of the 12 in the span of a week and took a lot of coordinating and it's just really,

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really special and humbling for the communications manager to what felt like honoring the work

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that I've done and that the delegates did with the Sandow podcast and communicating

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with them and hearing their thoughts and the way they want to approach voting.

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So I just could not believe it and was so honored and I feel very humbled that that

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feels like synergy to me.

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I think I even put down in the comment down here.

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Right.

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I said, I really think it's cool that that he did the short videos, the short enticing

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videos and then and then called people to go view my videos to to see the longer form

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to learn more about them.

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And to me, that's like that's harmony.

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That's cohesion.

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That's the sort of thing that really is just it's preparing relationships.

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It's honoring other people in the Dow and their contributions and I just felt very grateful.

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So thank you again, Kunta for for making that decision.

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And it's not just me you're honoring you.

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You've honored many other people as well and give given shout outs to others.

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So I really, really appreciated that and it was very special to me.

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So that's all I wanted to say about episode three.

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The rest of the episode was about each of the delegates introducing themselves.

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Again, if you've seen any of the long form that I did, it's a it's a longer version of

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that.

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But they did pre recorded video specifically for this episode.

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So there are a few things that are different, but each one introduces themselves a minute,

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two minutes and I heard a lot of the same similar things I heard them talk about on

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standup podcast.

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Okay, so let's get to the the other one.

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The real big one that this episode about which is episode four.

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It is a continuation of Cyril and Kunta discussing community concerns.

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And for that, this episode, I'm gonna break open a nice bottle of apothec red, which is

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a winemakers blend that's supposed to be a rich and smooth.

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So I'm gonna enjoy a nice little glass of red while we go through this.

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It's another short one, 20 minutes.

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So I got my comments to be down to something concise.

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And so that we can just kind of move through it.

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And yeah, it was another positive step forward and transparency.

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I really, really enjoyed listening to Cyril explain his thought process behind everything.

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And I just I'm just grateful to Kunta for for engaging Cyril and having him explain

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his thought process.

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And I have great respect for Cyril, having the courage to be vulnerable with the community

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and explain that this is what I was thinking at the time, I get that it might not have

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made sense now, but it made sense at the time and it was well thought out.

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Like I get it.

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I get it.

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Not not all plans go the way you expect.

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So all that did was just give me understanding and sympathy and wanting to to protect the

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Dow and protect the admin team now.

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Not from the community, but just because I understand where they're coming from.

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And they're just they're humans.

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They're people just like us.

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So it's 27 minutes.

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I'm going to put it on 1.5.

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And we're gonna we're gonna step through this.

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It's an awesome episode.

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If you want to listen to it at length, just uninterrupted, I recommend you go to the sandbox

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Dow YouTube channel and listen to it there.

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All right, Sam, Sam, what's up?

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We're going to jump right into the fun as usual with some ho ho ho's and some Merry

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Christmas fun.

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Cue the pixelated elves.

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I've got Cyril with me again.

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And today we're going to just do some updates, reminders and the last few community concerns

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we're going to address with you guys just kind of like carrying on from episodes one

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and two as we move forward into the holiday season here with episode four of the Digging

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in the Sand podcast.

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We're digging every week and we're going to keep it up for y'all.

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So I think it's awesome that you're digging every week and I'm keep going, Kunta.

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Keep going with that.

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You know, some of our our last episode, this is probably our last episode for for 2024

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together.

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So with that note, I mean, it's probably a good time to give you guys some updates on

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what we've been up to, some reminders of other things that are ongoing.

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So I got a couple of bullets of things we want to mention to you guys, maybe some successes,

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maybe challenges we've come across over the last.

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What has it been since May?

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Yeah, May the opening.

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And we're recording right now on December 12th.

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So it's been a long year and we've done a lot.

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Let's see.

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I mean, we'll start at the top.

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We've got 12K on snapshot now.

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So there's 12,000 people with voting potential.

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The goal was what?

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The goal was a thousand.

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It was a thousand on snapshot, a thousand on Twitter and a thousand on the forum.

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Awesome.

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And Twitter is up to 2300 followers.

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So more than twice the goal.

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I'm not quite sure what the difference is there because I need to investigate that a little

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further because I track how many people are in the Dow and per Dow based AI, there's 211,000

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token holders and 2200 voters.

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So I'm not really sure exactly where they're getting the, the 12,000.

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I'm not there to try and figure that part out and understand what the difference is.

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Maybe that's the number of token holders when they do the snapshot for the vote.

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I'm sure.

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But the fact that a thousand was the goal, man, they blew that out of the water almost

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instantly.

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And especially how Cyril and the Dow admin team connected with Alpha season four, they

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really beefed up those numbers when they made it part of the reward system where you got

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like, I think a hundred experience points hoard Alpha season four when you joined the

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Dow.

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So brilliant move.

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And it really increased our participation.

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All organic, you know?

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So that's the way we want to keep it.

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800 on the forum.

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So a little bit shy of the goal there.

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You know, we want to get more people participating in the communication.

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You can already tell how many more people are participating in communications.

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I'm on the forum constantly.

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And my recommendation, if you're wondering how I'm on the forums all the time, I have

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an app called discourse.

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So the discourse actually has an app you can connect to the sandboxed out forums.

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So I recommend you do that if you want to stay more engaged.

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That's how I do it.

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And that's really one of the challenges, the community concerns that would be addressed

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today too, is just low participation.

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I am some other, some other goals that were met were delegations in place now.

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It's awesome.

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Right.

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So we should be reaching quorum.

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The next vote that is so awesome.

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It goes, let's see, we've just opened yesterday.

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Yeah, yesterday we just opened some votes.

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So they'll be open for two weeks on the two six that are out there now.

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So we're on our way towards reaching quorum pretty effectively with this batch.

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Hopefully that'll be the case.

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So if anybody's interested more in delegation at sandboxedout.com forward slash delegation,

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where you can find our 12 verified delegates.

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And there's a video here on YouTube, six minute quick video on how you can delegate your voting

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power.

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That's an excellent segue to the quick reminder for anybody listening.

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If you hold sand, you hold land, you're already a member of the Dow.

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So you can leverage that VP yourself, or you could delegate your voting power to one

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of our verified delegates without handing over any of your assets or just.

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I like the way country explains that if you're holding land, if you're holding sand, you're

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already a Dow member.

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So earlier when I talked about the ecosystem, those people there on the left, the green,

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the gamers, game makers, voxel artists, landowners, sandholders, Dow delegates, participants, sandbox

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team.

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I think that includes everyone in Sandfam.

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So landowners and sandholders, they are the token holders who one land equals 4,500 voting

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power, one sand equals one voting power.

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So there's clearly an incentive to hold land and it's an NFT that you have in your wallet

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and for every one land, you have 4,500 voting power.

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So that's what he means by you're already part of the Dow because having those tokens

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allows you to vote in the Dow automatically.

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Just handing over the voting power of them.

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So watch that quick video on delegation here on YouTube.

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What else?

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In the last, since May, community sentiment has certainly changed.

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Oh my gosh, has it changed, Kanta?

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And you were a major part of that.

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And it's not to say that Cyril didn't try.

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I know he did.

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He really did try, especially when he started putting out the bi-weekly updates on the announcement

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page.

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That did help.

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I started noticing the change there and also I saw him give some personal anecdotes for

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stories that he encountered as he was the Dow admin, the Dow administrator.

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And to me, that was a lot of, that was a good faith step toward helping us understand what

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his, where his mind was, whereas before I had zero knowledge on that.

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Bobby came in and just took that to the next level, bringing Cyril on for multiple podcast

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episodes.

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The most impressive thing in my opinion was when he screen shared the poll results and

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you just saw like, now admin team's not listening to me.

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I don't feel heard.

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There's no transparency.

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It was rushed and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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It was just rough.

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But they, they showed that with a straight face and they tackled it head on and that

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earned my respect.

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That earned my respect.

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You don't, you don't mess around with what should have been or what could have been.

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You deal with what is in the Dow where we are a community.

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And that's exactly what Conta and Cyril did.

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They asked the hard question, like what, what is it the community is saying?

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And they listened and the community told them exactly what we thought.

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And they're like, okay, okay, some, some improvements in growth areas.

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That's, that's the best I could have hoped for right there.

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That's what I wanted to hear the day after the Dow was announced.

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I understand from Cyril from episode digging in the sand episode one, why it wasn't the

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case like that, why they believed that, that it was going to be a bigger bang to, to announce

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it all at once.

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But it didn't go that way because they didn't anticipate the reaction from sand fan completely

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understand.

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I completely understand.

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I'm a program manager myself in real life and my professional life and things don't

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always go the way you plan.

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So you adapt and you do better and you fail fast and you fail forward and you keep on

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iterating on success.

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That's the name of the game.

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And that's what I see Cyril doing here.

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And he's continued engagements.

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We're on now episode four, three of them for digging in the sand was Cyril explained his

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rationale and his thoughts.

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The more I see Cyril explain himself, the more confidence, faith and trust I have in

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his role and the rest of the Dow admin team.

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So as far as I'm concerned, as Kunta as the communications manager, mission accomplished,

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mission accomplished.

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Great job.

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Yeah, definitely.

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I see too.

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I think that the very few, the very first saw interactions we had with what the hell

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you guys was doing, what this Dow about and how this works.

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That's exactly right.

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What the hell are you guys doing?

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What is this all about?

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Now I think the conversation is moving more towards, okay, I think we've understood how

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it works and we've acknowledged the mistakes we've made and we're trying to fix them.

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And now the conversation is shifting more towards the SIPs.

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And that's the whole reason of existence of a Dow is just to process SIP.

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I completely agree with you, Cyril.

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This conversation is shifting away from what is this to, okay, now that we kind of understand

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what's going on and we understand the Dow admin team really is on our side and I don't

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have to be suspicious of their motives.

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Now I can focus on let's build better SIPs.

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Let's build a better ecosystem.

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Let's get those SIPs that we need to improve the ecosystem of the sandbox game that we

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all love, whether it be the VoxEdit, the GameMaker, the client, the launcher, the land, Sandpoken

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itself, whatever it might be.

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Now the Dow community, I feel like the sentiment has changed to where we're unlocked and focused

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on the ecosystem, not just is our Dow built on a house of cards managed by a Dow admin

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team that is run amok.

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That's clearly not the case anymore.

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Because of the way Cyril is led us in on his inner thoughts and Kunta has opened that door

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in a way that's responsible.

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So fabulous.

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Great job.

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SIPs, right?

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I'm very glad to see that transition happening as well.

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Yeah, agreed.

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It was a bumpy start and I feel like since I joined the team a few months ago, we've increased

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the team's collective strengths and well-roundedness to be able to more candidly, openly, transparently,

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even just effectively address the community.

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So the return on that is people's sentiment improving and the focus turning more towards

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the quality of the SIPs, the quantity of the SIPs.

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I mean, if we're a factory or a production line, I mean, that's what we're supposed to

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be pumping out, right?

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Pushing out high quality SIPs.

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The SIP factory.

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Yeah.

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So that's that.

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I completely agree.

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So 2025 is going to be about the shift into expanding the Dow, the turning away from,

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you know, shifting focus, I'll say, from improving relationships and reestablishing

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and strengthening trust to building that SIP factory and bringing more people into the

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assembly line.

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So also the team efficiency has really changed.

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We are more efficient, more effective than we were six months ago.

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Right.

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So we've done a retrospective earlier today.

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I think it's also interesting to share that with the community.

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Interesting thing that he says retrospective.

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I guess I'm not surprised at all that he said retrospective because he said he was a product

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manager before.

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Retrospective is done in agile development.

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So you have your product, your backlog, which is what you need to do.

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You do your backlog through sprints.

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And at the end of your sprints, you do a retrospective.

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The retrospective is basically a look back on what you did to try and, okay, we did well

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here.

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We didn't do well here.

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So you make those observations and then you iterate on that success and you try to improve

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those failures to do better the next time you do a sprint.

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And that's basically agile.

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You just keep going round and round and round and round.

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Community when we looked at all of our success and failure and what we could do better for

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next year.

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So we've done that full exercise.

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So we found a few things that we've done well.

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I think you started to touch on that.

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Deliver delegation, which is deliver the bloody Dow, by the way, just just acknowledging that.

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And now that I understand just how much went into this Dow, that is a big acknowledgement.

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Yeah.

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And also all the stuff that we think went wrong and the stuff that we could do better,

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like for example, engaging with the sandbox ambassador, engaging with different departments

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on the sandbox.

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We know the seed that we're targeting platform changes were quite challenged by the team

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at the sandbox as well for good reason.

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So we need to find a way to make that work.

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That right there is telling me I need to look in between the lines there.

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So it's not just that the Dow admin team and the, and the sandbox game company are working

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hand in hand on everything.

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What that's saying to me is that actually there is a little bit of friction there.

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There is a little bit of tension between the Dow admin team and the sandbox game team,

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which, which is actually very helpful to know because it means that when I asked something

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that the Dow admin team might meet Lancer, I know that it doesn't just happen right away

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because they're not all kumbaya.

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There has to be some sort of realistic approach and they get, they got into this in episode

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two where they started talking about how the, some of the SIPs like mine right now, SIP

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16, introducing a filter into the end game adds to the product backlog of the product

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team for the sandbox game company.

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Well, they already have a backlog.

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So what the heck are they supposed to do with our backlog in the Dow?

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And navigating that tells me that, okay, I need to equip the Dow admin team as much as

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possible so that they have the, the firepower, the ammunition, the rationale they need to

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find a compromise or an accommodation or an arrangement with the product team at the sandbox

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Dow game company to do the thing that the Dow sipped into existence with a yes vote.

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That also tells me that maybe I need to make sure my realist, my expectations are realistic

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and that not everything is going to go the way we thought after a SIP is yes voted because

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the product team gets a vote too.

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The one who has to do this stuff, they're not the Dow, they are the game company.

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The Dow is the voice of the community.

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It's really, it helps move puzzle pieces into place.

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Whereas before we had no idea, we had no idea this stuff was going on.

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But now with this education comes the power and the ability to take responsibility, me,

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myself as a community member to know that I need to go the extra mile in explaining

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this rationale so that the Dow admin team can carry that forward to the product team

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and have the best chance of success to find an arrangement versus there being a conflict

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because the product team believes that whatever it is that we're trying to do is too much

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and it's a good idea fairy and that doesn't doesn't really help the ecosystem.

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So little stuff like this is exactly what we mean by transparency and San Fam knowing

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that this helps us help the ad Dow admin team more so than if we didn't.

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Somehow between the community and the sandbox proper as well.

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So there's a lot of stuff for us to improve and we're constantly trying to do that.

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I will share on next Monday the update on all of the project.

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You will see like a list of all of the stuff we're going on with our advancement and you

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will be able to track how we're doing to fix things up and to improve the Dow.

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I mean, we've published new guidelines as well.

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It's also one of the things we did to be more efficient because now with the new guidelines,

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it has two objectives.

469
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We think it's going to increase the quality of SIP, the quality of SIP, the quality that

470
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,360
we've written like it answers the questions for us just by going through the process.

471
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,720
And also for us now we receive SIPs automatically.

472
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,760
They sort it in a particular way.

473
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,120
It's more easy for us to pick up the SIP and just finish the creation, finish the last

474
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,120
part with the author.

475
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,280
All of that was possible because of these new guidelines as well.

476
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,000
So because we're such a small team, you know, five people, I think we're now getting into

477
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,760
a place where we're getting very efficient.

478
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,800
And it's I think saying they took us six months is fine.

479
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,600
I think it's standard in the industry.

480
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,720
You know, you want to.

481
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,720
I agree.

482
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,720
It is standard.

483
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,760
I lead a couple of product teams myself on product management.

484
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:24,760
All right.

485
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,760
I'm program.

486
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,960
I'm a program manager, which means multiple projects.

487
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,960
And then one of my program management positions is a portfolio manager, which means multiple

488
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,280
programs.

489
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,920
So six months is pretty standard.

490
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,800
Anything over, I'd say a million dollar, about a million dollar product takes multiple months

491
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:52,160
to do because you're talking about almost a dozen stakeholders, processes for approval,

492
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:58,440
development cycle, fielding and sustainment cycles, R&Ds, production, manufacturing.

493
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,400
It takes it takes a while.

494
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,400
So six months seems realistic to me, just like Cyril just mentioned.

495
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,200
You create an entire new team when nobody knows each other really well or used to work

496
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,680
with each other before.

497
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,240
It takes six months to really get into a place when we are transforming ourselves into a

498
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,240
machine where we just go, go, go, go.

499
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,080
And I think I'm proud of what we achieved together, you know, frankly.

500
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,080
I agree.

501
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,080
I am too.

502
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,880
We spent we spent two hours with the team before to reflect on that.

503
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Yeah.

504
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,840
A quick glimpse behind the scenes for anybody listening.

505
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,920
Our meetings are very efficient and effective.

506
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,240
And we have established some nice, clear routines on getting things done and sharing information

507
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,520
between each other to try to do more with the same resources or even less in some cases,

508
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,680
working across time zones with a nearly global team.

509
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,280
And we've dialed in our tools, the software that we're using to, you know, still a few

510
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,280
things.

511
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:45,280
The one thing that I would note there is that sometimes the DAO admin team seems too efficient.

512
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,760
I know they have the ability to use the the what's it called?

513
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,560
The operations budget.

514
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,320
I'm going to show you what that looks like.

515
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:02,800
So if you go to Sam Muck's DAO's website, yeah.

516
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,400
And then you go to the dashboard.

517
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:13,000
If you scroll down, you'll see the allocation per category, the operations budget, 1.8 million

518
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,960
SIP SIP sand, 1.8 million sand right here.

519
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,920
This is the DAO's day to day operations, which is paying the team the technical maintenance

520
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,760
and rewards.

521
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,520
The DAO admin team has made clear that they have pre approval to spend that full budget.

522
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,380
Right now it looks like they have a little over half, 64 percent.

523
00:31:36,380 --> 00:31:42,760
Sometimes it seems like they are overly cautious of utilizing that budget, which to me is a

524
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,000
good thing.

525
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,440
That means that they are conscious, they are conscious of their responsibility to be good

526
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,360
stewards of that budget and not overspend.

527
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,720
On the flip side, now that I understand what problems they're going through to get to where

528
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:01,800
they are, I don't think I would be mad if Serial were to loosen up a little bit more

529
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,400
on those restrictions and start spending the money to produce results.

530
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:18,520
Those results are faster SIPs and more timely payments and faster project completion of

531
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,200
his backlog.

532
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,200
He shares it and so his backlog is enormous.

533
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,880
He's been working on delegations, he's been working on APIs, he's been working on hiring

534
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,160
new people, like all these things Serial is doing.

535
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,080
Clearly he's putting in a lot of work.

536
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,560
Could he be doing these things faster with a little bit more money if he were spending

537
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,240
a little bit more money?

538
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,320
I would not be angry if he did because now that I understand where his head's at, I have

539
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,560
faith and trust that he's going to use those resources responsibly.

540
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Just my opinion.

541
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,760
Things we could tweak that we hit on in our meeting earlier and the team dynamics are

542
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,760
just great.

543
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,880
The best teams are the ones that really enjoy each other's company and that can certainly

544
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,880
be said for what's going on here.

545
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,840
There's an old adage, people quit their bosses, they don't quit the company.

546
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,800
When your people are leaving you, look first to yourself if you're the leader, if you're

547
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,280
the boss.

548
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,380
Look first to yourself, then look to whatever else it is.

549
00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:25,240
People who like each other and are cohesive together, they're effective teams.

550
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,240
Oh, that's true.

551
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,240
That's great.

552
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,200
The SIP guidelines that Cyril was referring to, that's sandboxdow.com forward slash guidelines

553
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,960
and that's just outlining the standards, the submission best practices for drafting a SIP

554
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,640
and what that process looks like.

555
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Also to that end, we will be hosting monthly SIP workshops or can you just...

556
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
That's so awesome.

557
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,320
I would even volunteer to help with that because I've done six SIPs at this point that I've

558
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,320
submitted.

559
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,600
I've gone through the ringer.

560
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,800
I've gone through just about every sort of reaction I could get out of the Dow admin

561
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,880
team, good and bad.

562
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,480
So I think I could help with that.

563
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,760
Q&A, we address frequently asked questions.

564
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,560
We run through examples on how to develop a SIP.

565
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,400
We'll be doing those every month starting in January.

566
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,040
So keep an eye out for those.

567
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,360
Also on the SIP thought, another little teaser here, this should be coming out maybe a week

568
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,680
or so before Christmas.

569
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,360
On Christmas, the SIPs that are currently in discussion will be going to vote and new

570
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,160
SIPs will be coming up for discussion.

571
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,040
You can expect that kind of two week cycle where every two weeks there'll be two SIPs

572
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,480
up for vote and two SIPs in discussion and then they just keep cycling through those.

573
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,520
At first I was really angry with that two SIPs because it felt like it was, it felt

574
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,520
like it was prohibitive.

575
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,520
Now I see the wisdom.

576
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,720
I see the wisdom in that consistency, that pattern.

577
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:36,000
It makes it easy to plan my schedule around.

578
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,600
So like if I have to take a vacation, well not have to, if I have to take a work trip,

579
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,680
which is much more likely, I take a lot of work trips.

580
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:52,760
If I have to take some time off or if I have an appointment, I know now how to plan because

581
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,200
of this, this two week cycle.

582
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,120
So on the 25th on Christmas, we will be bringing down the chimney for everybody.

583
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,120
Hey, wow, look at that.

584
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,120
I just blurred out.

585
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,120
Do you see that on your screen?

586
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,120
Wow, I just disappeared and faded back in.

587
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,120
I went ghosting y'all.

588
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,120
I promise I won't ghost y'all.

589
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,120
I'm here for the long run.

590
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,120
Good, Kunta.

591
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,120
Good.

592
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,120
Me too.

593
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,120
I am as well.

594
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,960
And I think Cyril is too.

595
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,680
I haven't heard what Cyril's long-term plans are, but I'm happy.

596
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,440
The more I learn about him, the more I hear him speak and hear him speak to us as our

597
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:30,760
Tao administrator, the more I have faith and trust in his abilities and the more I

598
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,960
want him to stay, the longer I want him to stay.

599
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,600
Yeah, I went through the chimney.

600
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,200
What we're going to try to deliver, you know, if all of the reindeer get in line here on

601
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,200
the 25th, there will be a community-focused SIP that our team, the admin team has been

602
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,480
working on collectively with a well-known member of the community who you guys will

603
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,480
all recognize.

604
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,480
And I think everybody's going to love where we're going with that.

605
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,480
So just...

606
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:55,320
By the time you see this episode, I wouldn't be surprised if you already know this.

607
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,360
So we just finished episode five.

608
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,760
We recorded episode five.

609
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,520
It was between myself, Dr. Metaverse, and Batman, and Kunta.

610
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,320
And we just let it have it.

611
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,040
Like the questions were, what were your reservations?

612
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,040
Let's get it out in the open.

613
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,040
And we did.

614
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,840
We let it have it.

615
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,120
But in that, Kunta also revealed that I had been...

616
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,360
So when they say that well-known community manager, I wouldn't exactly come to self-well

617
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,760
known, but I am the person they're referring to.

618
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,840
I was brought in on a SIP that Kunta and the team were putting together called the community

619
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,520
council SIP.

620
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:38,000
Kunta explains that in episode five, so I don't think I'm really revealing anything

621
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,600
crazy here.

622
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:47,180
But it is a community council SIP that elects community council members to a role that is

623
00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:51,120
more of a direct link to the special council advisory board, all that sort of stuff.

624
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:57,040
I helped strengthen some of the language around disclosure rules to make sure that people

625
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,540
are on the up and up.

626
00:37:00,540 --> 00:37:04,100
Make sure they are holding themselves to the highest ethical standard.

627
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:10,560
And then also some other generic comments that strengthen the proposal to make it ready.

628
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,800
So that's me.

629
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,620
They're talking about me.

630
00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:17,720
And I was surprised.

631
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:21,320
I was only brought in on that like two, three weeks ago.

632
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,020
But ever since then, I did my review, my comments, that sort of thing.

633
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:28,500
And I agree that I would love to be a co-author of that.

634
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:35,520
It to me represents the step forward we need to bring in community members to link to leadership

635
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,960
in the DAO.

636
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,160
And this is the way we do that.

637
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,260
So I'm super excited.

638
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:42,720
I'm so excited for that.

639
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:51,480
I will be seeking a role in that on that council.

640
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,320
But I didn't really have much more time than anyone else did.

641
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,920
And I certainly am beyond my involvement here on the podcast.

642
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,200
I don't feel any more qualified than anyone else.

643
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:10,000
So I would just love for that step to go through so that we can improve our community involvement

644
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,000
in the DAO.

645
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,200
But yeah, they're talking about me.

646
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,280
I'm the person that helped them with this.

647
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,440
But they brought me in about two, three weeks ago, as of the date of December 21st.

648
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,240
Just a little teaser.

649
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:23,240
We're listening.

650
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:25,080
I think it's the first time.

651
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,920
Either we got two types of SIPs or three types.

652
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,920
The SIP that were entirely done by the community, a couple of SIPs we've done ourselves, like

653
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,920
the constitutional one, etc.

654
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,920
And the SIP that were done by the sandbox.

655
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
That's actually the first time we have a SIP that we've done in collaboration between

656
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,320
the admin team and the community with this famous community member.

657
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:45,960
And I felt so humbled right there where Cyril said famous community member.

658
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:52,560
The only reason I'm famous is because I'm so involved.

659
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,320
I'm talking and replying to everything.

660
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,120
And that's not because I feel special.

661
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,600
It's just because I'm excited to be in the DAO.

662
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,200
I'm excited to be participating.

663
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,160
I'm excited to be here to contribute.

664
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,960
And so the things people think of me as famous, I just, I don't know.

665
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,960
It makes me feel guilty.

666
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:20,240
But in the end, I am humbled that they thought to include me and ask me for my review.

667
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,160
Sometimes my relationship with the DAO admin team wasn't always positive.

668
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,160
I mentioned at the beginning of the episode that sometimes it was a little bit strained,

669
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,640
combative where I did not appreciate some of the comments they gave me on my SIP.

670
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,640
It felt like too intrusive.

671
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,920
It felt too excessive.

672
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,600
And so eventually we worked it out.

673
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,480
We are working it out now.

674
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:46,720
But here, now that I understand that mutual respect, I feel their respect.

675
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:51,560
And my respect extends to Cyril and Kunta as well.

676
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,480
And I'm very excited about that because I think going hand in hand show how far we've

677
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,480
come in our interaction with the community and the way we now are able to work and collaborate

678
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,480
together.

679
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,480
So I'm very excited about this one.

680
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,220
I hope this will be well received by the community and supported.

681
00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:06,120
And I hope people will get excited and pay attention.

682
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,120
Yeah, I agree.

683
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,120
Great.

684
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,120
You're right.

685
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,460
It definitely speaks to the successes of things and to how we're going to be more effective

686
00:40:12,460 --> 00:40:14,000
in the future.

687
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,360
As we start to try to grow the Dow, bring in hundreds of more sand and landholders,

688
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,800
having a positive place for them to call home where they see constructive collaboration

689
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,960
and healthy arguments.

690
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:24,960
This is a place for debates.

691
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,480
I mean, this is the place to debate ideas.

692
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,320
It just needs to be done with understanding that we're all working towards a shared common

693
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,320
goal.

694
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:32,320
And I think that's something that has evolved over the last few months.

695
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,800
People do see that now that we're all on the same team.

696
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,800
So that's awesome.

697
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,800
We're all on the same team.

698
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,800
Exactly right.

699
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,800
We can disagree.

700
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,600
We can get heated with each other.

701
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,680
We can sometimes think ill of each other, but we're on the same team.

702
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,480
We're working toward the same positive growth of our ecosystem.

703
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,480
What else?

704
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,480
We're on updates.

705
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,520
We've got a budget SIP incoming.

706
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,520
Budget SIP, yeah.

707
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,520
Yeah.

708
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,760
You know, we are on the annual donation from the sandbox.

709
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,640
So next year will be, next year, next year, next month, next year, will be our second,

710
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,280
this will be the first time we get a full allowance for a full team.

711
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,640
We've got our first allowance was prorated for this year.

712
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,600
We haven't spent a lot to be honest.

713
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,800
So no, they have not spent a lot at all.

714
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,320
And I showed you all what that would look like with the checkbook where we only have

715
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,640
been spending how many?

716
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,480
I think it was 2.5 million of 15 million, 15.5 million.

717
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,480
Right?

718
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,640
So we spent 15% of our budget so far.

719
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,440
That's what he's referring to when we haven't spent a lot.

720
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,800
We again, hoping to do better, but we are counting on the community to make proposals

721
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,640
and we'll do our best to process this proposal as fast as we can.

722
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,280
But that being said, there will be a SIP that is basically accepting the money that the

723
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,120
sandbox is going to give us with a different budget structure, not to tease too much.

724
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,760
But I think one of the things with.

725
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,480
I really like the way serial is talking.

726
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,000
I keep saying this zero sounds like my Dow admin manager administrator.

727
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,080
Excuse me.

728
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:55,280
He sounds like the Dow administrator speaking to me, a community manager speaking to you,

729
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,720
a community manager.

730
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,080
He sounds like a real person.

731
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,760
He didn't sound like he's on a publicity tour.

732
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,800
It doesn't sound like he's he's trying to convince anyone of anything.

733
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:12,480
He's just speaking about what he's been doing, what his rationale is, what his thoughts are.

734
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,520
And that is, that's what's real about this.

735
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,880
That's what's really going to build that trust and faith.

736
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,840
We've discussed in retrospective as well as some stuff has been working behind the scenes

737
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,120
is I don't think the way our budget in structure, you know, the nine buckets you see on the

738
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:30,480
website, I don't think they're optimal in provoking a diversity of SIPs.

739
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,680
We could have different category where there are more obvious to people.

740
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,960
And my objective with these new categories, simplification and also getting more diversity

741
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,960
in the type of SIPs we're going to receive.

742
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,440
So I'm working on that behind the scenes, something that, you know, learning from what

743
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,400
happened with our existing category and trying to do better.

744
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,080
And maybe in 2026, I do something even different.

745
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,240
But you know, that's a proposal that we put forward to the community, debated, discussed

746
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:50,240
and voted upon.

747
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,320
And we're looking forward to the feedback of the community on this one, too.

748
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,800
We will pay attention and if has to be adjusted, we'll adjust it accordingly.

749
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:02,400
What he's referring there, what he is referring to there is my, when they did the new SIP

750
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,920
guidelines, and I spoke about this in the very beginning, and the road to the Dow, let's

751
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:21,840
look here, where they talked about right here, October 14th, new SIP submission guidelines,

752
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:27,480
see that sand episode 35, where they reduce the number of budget categories that you could

753
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,920
talk to that you could apply for from eight to two, I believe, four.

754
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,120
So they almost slashed it in half.

755
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,380
So of the eight categories that you could apply to, you can only apply to four now.

756
00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:49,280
And he went into some detail about that, how that happened because some of them were earmarked

757
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:55,740
for sandbox Dow, for sandbox game company alone, like staking.

758
00:43:55,740 --> 00:44:00,400
And so did it make sense to allow the community to apply for them anymore?

759
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,400
His opinion was no.

760
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,840
At the time, I wasn't sure what I thought about that.

761
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:11,000
The more I learned about how these categories came to be, why they still exist, and what

762
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,480
he's looking to change them to.

763
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,240
Okay, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he has kind of a more strategic view

764
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,720
there than I do.

765
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:20,720
Yeah.

766
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:21,720
All right.

767
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:24,280
I mean, the only other update that I can think of, and I'm sure we're probably forgetting

768
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,640
a half a dozen, but stay tuned.

769
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,640
We are working on staking.

770
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,280
I think we're going to address that a little bit further because that was brought up as

771
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,760
a community concern in that poll with 371 participants is that staking, sand that is

772
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,520
in staking is not eligible as VP or voting power right now.

773
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,520
And that is being addressed.

774
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,320
So I'm going to do a couple of quick reminders and we'll just segue back right back into

775
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,920
staking under the topic of community concerns carrying on from episodes one and two.

776
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,920
But quick reminders.

777
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,160
I already said, if you hold Sanderland, you're in the Dow, you can vote, you can delegate

778
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,800
your voting power or you can author SIPs.

779
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,520
So kick around some ideas, get on the forum, encourage your friends who are building, playing,

780
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,900
investing in the sandbox to get in there and join the discussion.

781
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:55,900
That's really on all of us.

782
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:56,900
Check out those new SIP submission guidelines.

783
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:57,900
I told you sandbox.com forward slash guidelines.

784
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:00,200
Check out the how to delegate YouTube video.

785
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,440
It's really super easy to delegate that voting power.

786
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,720
And of course, if you aren't subscribed to this channel, jump down there, subscribe,

787
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,200
hit the like button, follow us on X, engage with some tweets.

788
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,200
We're all in this together, Sam fam.

789
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,200
So all right.

790
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,200
Community concerns.

791
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,720
We've got one, two, three, four things outstanding from our list that we wanted to address with

792
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:13,720
everybody.

793
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:17,140
There's staking, there's Dow operating in the gray area, landscape, the language barrier

794
00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:19,720
that we're seeking to overcome on multiple fronts, as well as what we already mentioned

795
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:23,000
is low participation levels and how we want to address that in 2025.

796
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,320
So take it from the top.

797
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,120
Staking some kind of update on resolution there.

798
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,240
Yes, staking is taking a long time to figure out, to be honest, but we're hoping this would

799
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:31,240
be something that will be released next year.

800
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:32,560
We're working with the sandbox behind the scene.

801
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,920
The sandbox is managing the smart contracts that we have to collaborate with the blockchain

802
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,920
team at the sandbox.

803
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:37,920
Shout out to them if they're listening.

804
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,120
I didn't know that.

805
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:45,640
I did not know that the Dow admin team had to work with the sandbox game company because

806
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,480
they're the blockchain team that manages smart contracts.

807
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,960
Makes sense now that he says it like that.

808
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,560
I didn't realize it at the time.

809
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,000
And this is something that they have to be available for us as well.

810
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Right.

811
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,520
So that's a code word.

812
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,480
What that means is it's difficult to find time for the Dow admin team to link up with

813
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,960
the blockchain team to discuss how to make that happen.

814
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,760
That's what that means with it's challenging.

815
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,080
They're really busy, that sort of thing.

816
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,240
That's usually code word for we want to meet with them more to try and figure this out,

817
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:23,080
but we're not able to always meet with them because of their busy schedules.

818
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,440
And as a program manager, as a product manager, that happens to you all the time with your

819
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,440
stakeholders.

820
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,560
You constantly coordinate schedules to make sure that you can do that.

821
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,840
And when you don't, then you don't make the progress that you're looking to make toward

822
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,840
your product or service.

823
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:37,840
They're very busy.

824
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,160
They have a job, but we never need them.

825
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,160
So we've been making progress.

826
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,300
So I'm hoping we'll get this live by the end of next year.

827
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:48,240
What that means is they're making progress, but they're making slower progress than they

828
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:49,240
want to make.

829
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,160
That's what that translates into.

830
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,420
Next year.

831
00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:54,640
So finally, we can include the staking and voting power.

832
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,680
How it's going to be calculated though, will be part of the SIP.

833
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,040
How staking is valued will be part of the SIP, but I'm looking to value two things, the amount

834
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,800
of SEND being staked and the duration of these SEND.

835
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,440
So we're looking for clever mechanism that we believe are as fair as possible to reward

836
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,640
the people that are with the sandbox on the long run.

837
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,640
So that's why it's also a bit more complex, not just including a smart contract in the

838
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,640
snapshot.

839
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,560
Brainwork, it's a bit more trying to do this right.

840
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,360
That's why it's taking a bit longer, but hanging there.

841
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,160
And that's something we would be very proud of.

842
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,800
After delegation, this would be our second significant project that would be delivered,

843
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,520
listening to community feedback.

844
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,960
I laugh there because you say it's harder than it seems because like my first thought

845
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,960
was like, man, isn't everything like, whenever we try to allocate some time to do something,

846
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,840
everything takes twice as long as you think it's going to.

847
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,040
That's probably why a lot of products teams never put dates on things.

848
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,040
Probably.

849
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,480
If you get it from the top, from the high vantage point.

850
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,480
That is true.

851
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,680
That is one of the reasons why you don't put dates on your, but when you're, when you're

852
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,120
held to a community standard like this, you've got to bite the bullet and go do it.

853
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,800
Yes, you're going to disappoint some people by not being able to meet all of your objectives.

854
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,600
However, it's more important that you say, this is the aim.

855
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:00,880
This is the target we shot for.

856
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,880
We missed it.

857
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:02,880
Here's our new target.

858
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,360
Then not communicate that target at all.

859
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,840
That's the worst possible case.

860
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,840
It's easy.

861
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Even as soon as you get into the detail.

862
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,160
Oh, okay.

863
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,160
That's fine.

864
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,160
The devil is in the details, right?

865
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,160
Yeah.

866
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:15,160
Correct.

867
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,160
Correct.

868
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,160
All right.

869
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,160
So we're going to move on from staking.

870
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,160
Ask any questions you guys want in the forum.

871
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,160
That's the place.

872
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,840
I think we can start a thread at some point about staking.

873
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,720
I'll be able to get the community's sentiment or ideas or whatever on the matter.

874
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,120
I think there will be a thread anyway, because it's part of the process.

875
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,760
Every time you see the seeper, sorry, there's a thread associated to it.

876
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,760
But now that we've mentioned that we're working on it multiple times.

877
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,760
I mean, if people want to.

878
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,240
And they did start the thread.

879
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:39,240
So check out staking, just put in the keyword staking in the forums.

880
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:40,240
You'll find it.

881
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:46,200
I've been, I just submitted a post earlier today about a formula I thought up about it.

882
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:52,040
But if you have thoughts on it, go ahead and put that in there and we'll help the DAO admin

883
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,600
team think through this.

884
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,600
Stop.

885
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,600
A discussion about staking, we will be happy to jump in there with you guys.

886
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:58,600
Yeah, that's great.

887
00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,600
I made a note.

888
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,840
I'm going to open that staking thread and see if we can get that conversation started.

889
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,280
Because you know, that's anything that we're doing is, is, is in as many ways as possible

890
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,240
reflective of what it is that the broader community desires.

891
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:10,680
So I mean, those conversations are so important.

892
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,680
Otherwise, you know, we're kind of just shooting in the dark.

893
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,400
All right, I'm going to move on.

894
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,400
Now operating in the gray area landscape.

895
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,520
So some of this was addressed in episode two, where we connected so people can jump back

896
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,680
onto that past podcast.

897
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,680
Tell me more though.

898
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,160
Yeah, well, so the DAO is operating under a foundation, which is Cayman based as described

899
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,520
in SIP 2.

900
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,600
And it comes with a series of guidelines that we have to follow.

901
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,880
And it's not that easy to navigate that space.

902
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,320
It's not like this, this is not like a corporation.

903
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,960
This is not like a foundation exactly in the international sense of the term.

904
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,280
It's a Swiss foundation, sorry, not a Swiss foundation, a Cayman foundation.

905
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,600
And it comes with its load of, you know, guidelines.

906
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,640
And that's why the lawyers of the DAO are helping us navigate.

907
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,040
You're going to do a podcast episode on this?

908
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,280
About a week ago, I just finished reading through all the Cayman Islands business law,

909
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:04,640
the Cayman foundations law, a lot of different law for the Cayman Islands to understand what

910
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,600
that means that Cheryl just said, Cyril just said.

911
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,200
So I'm going to be doing an episode on that kind of a deep dive into what it all means,

912
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:17,840
break it down, and that way I can just for myself understand what it is that the DAO

913
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,440
admin team is facing.

914
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,040
There are a lot of guidelines that have to follow, specifically things like you have

915
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:28,020
to be certified by a central board within the Cayman Islands.

916
00:50:28,020 --> 00:50:35,120
So in order to do a lot of the stuff for a foundation that the sandbox foundation is,

917
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,200
you have to have this license.

918
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,880
And with this license comes all these different requirements and can't do business without

919
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:42,880
it.

920
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,200
It's a whole thing, but I'm going to explain it in a podcast episode coming up about the

921
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,560
sandbox DAO foundation.

922
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,640
But frankly, it's such a moving environment.

923
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,560
Like we saw what happened with the Lido DAO.

924
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,040
The problem that was with the Lido DAO is that it was not a wrap DAO.

925
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,760
It was not covered by its foundation, something we have in our DAO.

926
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,880
Because we have that, it comes with a certain baggage.

927
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,480
We have to have a supervisor, a director, as it's all described in SIP 2.

928
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,400
So I think eventually you and I will probably reconnect, Bobby, as soon as I get more...

929
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,960
I need to work on some materials to try to explain better what it means.

930
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,040
I cannot do it off the cuff right now.

931
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,640
I would like to spend some time and structure my thoughts to really convey it in a more

932
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,640
simplistic way.

933
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,120
I'm doing the same thing.

934
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:23,040
I originally expected to do this episode last week, but it's so enormous and complex that

935
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,000
I have to also structure my thoughts.

936
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:30,520
I'm having difficulty because of how big it is and how connected it is with this body

937
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,880
of law meets that body of law.

938
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,040
But then the reference is this third body of law, which references the fourth body of

939
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,040
law.

940
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,800
There's all these different interconnected links that I'm trying to organize in a way

941
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,560
that's clearly understood.

942
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,800
So I get where he's coming from.

943
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,720
But eventually we touched on that.

944
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,000
I just wanted to say that sometimes if you're not satisfied with the way we answer questions

945
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,480
or if we're not necessarily answer them in the most direct way is because this is tricky

946
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,640
to get answers and to get like black and white answers on all of that stuff because this

947
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:57,640
is a moving subject.

948
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:58,640
This is an experiment.

949
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,640
This is something that is constantly shifting.

950
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,000
And with the election of Trump, we know there's a lot of stuff that happens in crypto as well.

951
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,400
So it's going to have ripple effects on how crypto is perceived and looked at in the regulatory

952
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,400
broader sense of the terms.

953
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,640
So there's also going to change.

954
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,280
So we constantly pay attention to these things.

955
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,560
But yeah, I'll come back with something at some point.

956
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,560
I certainly will.

957
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,880
And that's that's important context that these are dynamic relationships that are constantly

958
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,160
evolving and also kind of sensitive topics that are related to the safety and security

959
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,160
of down members.

960
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,880
Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to show you a little bit of what is that I'm referring to.

961
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,440
So you can see what's coming up.

962
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,320
Right.

963
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:39,500
So right now, this is just send a podcast X, but I've been stepping through this right

964
00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:44,600
here of reading through their body of law and going through.

965
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:50,400
I'm just going to flip through it, reading through what it is that's important for us

966
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,680
to understand the other companies act, the foundation's company's law, the company's

967
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,480
management act.

968
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:06,840
What is a memorandum of association versus a versus a exempted company?

969
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,320
What does a foundation company even mean?

970
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,960
And what are the regulations that you have to abide by?

971
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,960
And it's a lot.

972
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,680
It's a lot of stuff.

973
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,880
And that's what's keeping me from doing this so far is because of just how much there is

974
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,340
to know on the subject.

975
00:53:24,340 --> 00:53:28,680
And that's why we have that's why when Cheryl mentioned we have lawyers advising us.

976
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,320
Well, the reason we have an advisor is because of how complex all this can be.

977
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:40,280
So the sort of stuff that I'm going to be putting in front of you as a as a future episode.

978
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:49,120
It's just taken a lot because of how many how many different rules there are to abide

979
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,120
by.

980
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:57,040
And the ongoing sustainability of the Dow.

981
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,840
So that's going to be part of a an important and broader conversation.

982
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,840
And when we say early next year, I mean, that's only two weeks away.

983
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,680
So, you know, grateful for everybody's patience.

984
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,000
But as as we dial in exactly how to communicate about that in the most succinct and clear,

985
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,320
transparent way, that'll be part of an important conversation in early January is just how

986
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:17,280
the Dow is structured and how that is part of the safety, security and sustainability

987
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:22,120
of the videos, really, those three big S's and structure, the structure of the community,

988
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,880
its member and its foundation, the foundation people, us as an admin team and it's the community

989
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,920
is the three bodies basically that needs to be looked at.

990
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:29,920
I am OK.

991
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:30,920
So we're coming back to that.

992
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,520
That's a tabling it to be continued.

993
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,160
Language barrier is another ongoing community concern.

994
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,520
And again, just a reminder, what Cheryl and I are going through right now is a continuation

995
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,240
of episodes one and two where we're addressing the community concerns that were raised in

996
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,680
that poll with three hundred and seventy one participants.

997
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,360
So language barrier.

998
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,360
So we've got regionally distributed delegates basically across the globe.

999
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,800
That was one active choice that was made to start addressing this before we even released

1000
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:50,800
that poll.

1001
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,800
Correct.

1002
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:52,800
Right.

1003
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,040
We've paid attention to have a good representation of our community across the globe.

1004
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,360
So if you look at this, there's never more than two people that are part of the same

1005
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,360
continent or country.

1006
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:00,840
And we're trying to do that.

1007
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,560
That was a conscious choice when we created the delegates, like when we interviewed them

1008
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,040
and we went through this whole process with them.

1009
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,000
This was an active choice to make sure we've got that representation because we want to

1010
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,000
have everybody feeling represented.

1011
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,280
We want to have everybody that feels like they can make a SIP.

1012
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,440
And if this is always the same cluster of people trusting all of the conversation and

1013
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,680
everything, then you can exclude another portion of the population.

1014
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,640
And we don't want to exclude another portion of the population.

1015
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,720
And actually what the poll showed us is that there's a huge portion of us of the community

1016
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:27,400
that is in Asia.

1017
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,680
And I don't think there's enough.

1018
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,280
I don't think the discussions on the forum are really representing the amount of the

1019
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,160
people that we have in those regions of the world.

1020
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,160
Yeah, I agree.

1021
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,880
And I think that's mostly because they're not able to speak their native language.

1022
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:48,000
So if you go into the sandbox game discord and you scroll down, you'll see all of the

1023
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,680
country specific languages.

1024
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,960
You'll see a lot of names there that you don't see elsewhere because they feel more comfortable.

1025
00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:00,440
I think it's because they feel more comfortable speaking there than they do English elsewhere.

1026
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,640
So not surprisingly true.

1027
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,680
So it's our job to try to find a way to reach that, that, that, that pool of people, that

1028
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:08,680
pool of talent.

1029
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,680
And so that's a challenge.

1030
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,320
So it's something we're actively working on, starting with translation.

1031
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,480
The very first first step was to translate the website in as many languages as we can.

1032
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:20,120
I think today we've got simplified, simplified and traditional Chinese, French, Turkish,

1033
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,760
Korean, Thai, I believe, English, of course.

1034
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,320
So we're already translating the website across the board.

1035
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,320
Awesome.

1036
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,160
I don't know how to translate conversation off the cuff on the forum.

1037
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,280
I don't think that's possible, but at least everybody should make an effort to speak in

1038
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:35,120
English and then we rely on individual Google Translate or your preferred AI assistant.

1039
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,000
But I think we try to remove those barriers as much as we can.

1040
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,000
That's for sure.

1041
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,560
And so we're doing that and we, yeah, we're actively working at least on the website from

1042
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,800
on the stuff we can do.

1043
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,560
We do, but we're also relying on any, any ideas to do this better.

1044
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,680
Like for example, you know, having captions on the, on these conversation Bobby is an

1045
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,680
important point.

1046
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,880
So these captions are easier to translate, you know, whatever.

1047
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,640
That's one thing I might do on my podcast.

1048
00:56:53,640 --> 00:57:03,080
When, if we get funded and the Sandow podcast sip is add captions, captions because of how

1049
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:12,200
much easier it is to, I guess, to, to follow along, not just as an English speaker, but

1050
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:18,360
I can only imagine if you don't hear English very well and you see, and you can read it,

1051
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,560
then you're able to follow along a lot better.

1052
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,640
It just seems like it's, it's better all around.

1053
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,560
So I'm happy to, I think I might incorporate that.

1054
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:28,560
Whatever.

1055
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,920
We are looking forward to your ideas as well to be as inclusive as we can of the community.

1056
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:32,920
Yeah.

1057
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,040
We're always open to community suggestions anywhere you want to give them.

1058
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,200
We were working on a process for AI interpretation and then human checks out those interpretations

1059
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,960
for things like sips on the forum.

1060
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,640
Like Sarah alluded to there, you know, the standard across the globe is really to try

1061
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,960
and keep international communications in English since it's kind of the global language.

1062
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,120
I recognize my own privilege when I say that I'm very lucky and I'm the typical American.

1063
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,720
I can't speak any other language other than American.

1064
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,440
So whatever we could do to make that easier for people, it is going to be important at

1065
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,520
the level of sips and at the level of the forum, the website is pretty robust already.

1066
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,480
But if there's other languages we want to add on there, you guys tell us there is also

1067
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,400
a demographics poll that will be live by the time that this episode is released as well.

1068
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,120
So that's just asking important questions of our community.

1069
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,120
Where are you from?

1070
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,120
What language do you speak?

1071
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,280
How you identify in other ways.

1072
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,080
So getting to know who it is, who makes up the Dow is going to be important, especially

1073
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,960
as we move on to this last bullet here.

1074
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:18,960
Low participation.

1075
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,320
This low participation might be a product, at least in some in some regards, some percentage

1076
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,000
of the low participation is because people aren't seeing their native language and it's

1077
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,800
hard to communicate on forums.

1078
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,040
Most of the people that are active are native English speakers.

1079
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,720
There are some delegates who are putting things in their language and then translating it

1080
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,640
to English right on the live post.

1081
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,880
You know, you're all free to do that as well.

1082
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,480
But I want to take that's happening quite a bit actually, where you can see some delegates

1083
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,520
who are speaking in their native tongue and then translating in English in that post.

1084
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:51,800
I translate that in English into mine and then I translate my response into their language.

1085
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,440
To me, that is that is how we're figuring out how to dow with each other.

1086
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:01,320
How do you dow with a native French speaker who doesn't feel comfortable speaking English?

1087
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,720
Should I demand they speak in English?

1088
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:03,720
I don't think so.

1089
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,060
I think that's what translators for.

1090
00:59:06,060 --> 00:59:11,240
So we are trying to figure that out in real time right now.

1091
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,280
But then the San Fam community take this opportunity as just a big call to action to all of our

1092
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,280
San Fam out there.

1093
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,480
Like if you're watching this, if you've listened this far into Sarah and I rambling about our

1094
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:23,360
successes and failures and community concerns, then jump on these ramblings are important.

1095
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,960
These ramblings are how we organize our dow.

1096
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,800
What sort of norms and what sort of culture do we create?

1097
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,720
On to your socials.

1098
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,480
Make a call to all of the San Fam, your friends who are investing, who are playing, who are

1099
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,720
building and tell them that they're already a member of the dow.

1100
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,720
Just get involved, jump on the forums and participate.

1101
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,440
We're going to have a lot of fun here next year.

1102
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,320
I'm going to make a shift towards marketing next year.

1103
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,160
My focus has been internal largely for my entire time with the team.

1104
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,640
It's been focused on building and strengthening relationships internally with the people who

1105
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:51,640
are active.

1106
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,440
Now it's got to turn outwards a bit into marketing and into growth.

1107
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,880
So any other thoughts on that, Sarah?

1108
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,360
Looking forward for the participation on the SIPs that got released yesterday.

1109
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,320
I think it's the first, I don't think, I know it's the first SIPs that got released since

1110
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:07,320
delegation.

1111
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,400
And I know it took us a while to get there and that there was a lot of SIP that got delayed

1112
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,400
because of it.

1113
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,280
But I'm paying close attention to our speed participation rate on snapshot and it's already

1114
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,680
looking good, but we're not there yet.

1115
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,080
We still have to reach this quorum.

1116
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,840
Can't be looking at the delegates.

1117
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,720
And we reach quorum today.

1118
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:25,560
So SIP 16 and 17 reach quorum today, earlier this morning.

1119
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,240
We made it and that is awesome.

1120
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,000
So we keep doing that and then quorum will be a thing of the past.

1121
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,400
Looking at the community at large.

1122
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,040
Like, right, guys, this has been a while that no SIPs have been put out for vote.

1123
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,200
So show your interest and go and cast your vote.

1124
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,560
Like, don't only count on the delegates.

1125
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:39,560
You also have a voice.

1126
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,360
So I'm looking at this stuff and I don't think quorum is going to be a problem for those

1127
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,360
SIPs.

1128
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,720
And if it is, that would be a big L on us.

1129
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,080
But still paying attention and I want these SIPs to succeed.

1130
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,200
Whether it's a yes or a no, you know what I mean?

1131
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,200
I'm looking at purely...

1132
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,200
I agree.

1133
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,440
Whether it's a yes or no, I want them to make quorum.

1134
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,440
Participation rate.

1135
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:57,440
Quorum.

1136
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,440
All right.

1137
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,440
I feel like that's about it.

1138
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,440
I mean, we hit our updates.

1139
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:01,440
We dropped some reminders.

1140
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:02,440
We addressed those last four topics.

1141
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,960
I'm always going to do my best to respect everybody's time out there.

1142
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,160
I know it's our most valuable resource, all of us, well beyond any of the tokens we're

1143
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,160
stacking.

1144
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,720
So go spend some time with your family this holiday and enjoy the people who are giving

1145
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:13,720
you love.

1146
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:14,720
I'm one of them.

1147
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,040
Absolutely love all the Sand Fam out there.

1148
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,040
So keep coming back.

1149
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,040
We're going to keep digging in the sand.

1150
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,280
We're going to be here for you every week.

1151
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:20,800
We're always there on the forum just about every day.

1152
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:21,960
So you guys know where to find us.

1153
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,040
X.com forward slash the SandboxDAO.

1154
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,480
X.com is where you can jump into those conversations and that's it.

1155
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,480
Anything else?

1156
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:30,480
Have a nice Sunday, everybody.

1157
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,480
See you soon.

1158
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,480
Happy Christmas.

1159
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:33,480
Keep digging.

1160
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:34,480
You dig in.

1161
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,480
All right.

1162
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:36,480
That was good.

1163
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,480
I really enjoyed that.

1164
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:44,160
So, so much so that I was drinking a nice winemakers blend of apothec red.

1165
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:49,640
So super happy, super excited to hear all of those things.

1166
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,200
And I am just keep going.

1167
01:01:53,200 --> 01:02:06,440
Please keep communicating the, the, the way you're thinking about how to run our DAO,

1168
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,400
the decisions you make.

1169
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:14,080
It's hugely helpful to understand that inner dialogue going on in the sound, the SandboxDAO

1170
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:15,080
admin team.

1171
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,080
Okay.

1172
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,760
So we're finished with this episode for Sandbox spaces.

1173
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,600
Please check discord slash hashtag DAO discussion.

1174
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,760
There's also the SandboxDAO.com forums.

1175
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:34,400
Check out Sam hashtag Sandfam hashtag the SandboxDAO hashtag the Sandbox game on YouTube.

1176
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,900
You have the SandboxDAO at Lanza YT, which is the podcast you're listening to right now

1177
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:44,480
called Sandow podcast and also at Sandfam cafe on Mondays.

1178
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,240
You have Mogaverse hall, which is Mondays.

1179
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,360
And you have on Saturdays, you have Bulls on the Block.

1180
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,040
Monday through Friday, you have coffee with captain and Tuesdays is whale members.

1181
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,960
That's where Sandfam will gather mostly.

1182
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,400
Thank you all for your time.

1183
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,020
Really appreciate you.

1184
01:03:05,020 --> 01:03:13,220
You taking this time to hear my thoughts and my commentary on digging in the sand episodes

1185
01:03:13,220 --> 01:03:18,680
three and four and they continue transparency I see from Kanta and Cyril.

1186
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,080
Thanks Forever and God bless you, Sam.