1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,760 Hello everyone, Sandel Podcast number 42. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,420 I am Lanzer, this is Crypto Diplo. 3 00:00:10,420 --> 00:00:18,080 And the last time this gentleman was on the podcast, it was episode 21 and we were talking 4 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:21,520 about his sip that went to vote. 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,280 And it went the way it went. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,120 And look, he's back with a vengeance now as an approved delegate to make sure that what 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,400 happens to him never happens to anyone else ever again. 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,440 And we'll get into all that later on. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,880 The scope of the talk today is a meet and greet between Crypto Diplo, otherwise known 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:44,600 as Robbie.Eath, and it's a learning opportunity to learn about him, what sort of delegate 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:50,600 style he wants to bring, and what sort of fit is he for you, for you to delegate your 12 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,640 sand and tokens to, your voting power. 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,920 So welcome back Crypto Diplo, glad to have you. 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,560 Thank you, happy to be here. 15 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,800 So disclaimer, Crypto Diplo and I do not represent the Sandbox game or the Sandbox DAO Foundation. 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,880 We are not your financial or legal advisors and nothing we say is to be taken as financial 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,880 or legal advice. 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,080 When I say, when we say the word sip, we mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal. 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:21,040 When we say the word DAO, we mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization. 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,400 And when we say SandFim, we're talking about the Sandbox community who participate in the 21 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,960 capital, product, and the purpose of the Sandbox ecosystem. 22 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:33,880 Specifically, we're talking about the people, everything from the game makers down to the 23 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,720 Sandbox team, the product includes the game client all the way down to even the DAO. 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:44,080 The purpose is what's expressed in the white paper and frequently expressed by Sebastian 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,960 Bourget and Arthur Madri, like how they want to empower creators and become the cultural 26 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,000 capital of the metaverse. 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,720 And all of that comes together in the ecosystem. 28 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,440 Today we're talking about specifically the DAO delegates who are the people part of the 29 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,440 ecosystem. 30 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,880 We have one such delegate with us today, Crypto Diplo. 31 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:12,720 And just like last time, Scoreboard and Checkbook have not moved because the DAO team have been 32 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:18,720 hard at work installing and ensuring that the delegation system comes online. 33 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,080 And where do we start? 34 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,720 May 28th. 35 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:27,600 The DAO was announced via Medium article, September 10th, the Sandbox DAO opens up delegation 36 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,760 applications and November 13th, 12 delegates were announced. 37 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:41,800 As I mentioned, Crypto Diplo is here today and you will see him as Robbie.Eath on, if 38 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,800 you look at my screen, just look right there. 39 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:50,160 Robbie.Eath says the word Crypto Diplo in the actual description. 40 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,680 So it's kind of an easy catch there. 41 00:02:53,680 --> 00:03:01,440 You know him by the multi yellow orange huge pyramid. 42 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:08,620 And yeah, so I'm Lancer the host, Meta Worlds, we published two things. 43 00:03:08,620 --> 00:03:12,000 One of them is currently in 00 in Alpha Season 4. 44 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,880 And I continually have to pinch myself because I can't believe that happened, that we actually 45 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,360 made it. 46 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,000 My guest Crypto Diplo here. 47 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:28,120 Crypto Diplo, as we explained in episode 21, he works in tech. 48 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:33,160 Crypto investor on the side for the past five years, has been involved with the Sandbox 49 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:38,460 for the past four years and was a third ever landowner in 2019. 50 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:42,400 He participated in sales and ICOs back in 2019. 51 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:50,780 This was a standout to him as having a solid team and he dabbles in game creation. 52 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:56,480 So Crypto Diplo, what else would you like to share about your background for those voters? 53 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:05,880 I think it's a good topic, I guess to specify starting Crypto in 2017, so a few years before 54 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,880 I got involved with the Sandbox. 55 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,560 I think I was before Anger Theater were really a thing, there were maybe a couple of them. 56 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,080 And then Sandbox was one of the early movers in the very end of 2019. 57 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,720 So I got involved in that. 58 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,240 And then yeah, just been investing since then. 59 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,560 I think it covers it. 60 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,800 Well, there we go. 61 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:33,680 If you are interested more in his background and all the how he thinks as a creator, go 62 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:39,360 to episode 21 where you can see here all the things that we talked about and why he felt 63 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,680 that SIP was really important. 64 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,560 It still is. 65 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,760 And yeah, you can't do SIPs anymore. 66 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:53,680 But you know, it's still a SIP that can be resubmitted if someone would choose to. 67 00:04:53,680 --> 00:05:00,320 Maybe you can have a conversation with him at a later time if that's a thing. 68 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,160 And let's start with you became Sandfam in 2019. 69 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,160 Yes. 70 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,160 2019, yeah. 71 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,160 As a landowner. 72 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,160 Yep. 73 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:16,000 I was back before they might even launched a product, I think. 74 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,080 So Sandfam is a little bit different than it is today. 75 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,080 Yeah. 76 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,480 A big environment of creators and whatnot. 77 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,280 Back then it was mostly entirely investors. 78 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:29,120 So that was my main role at that point. 79 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,760 Back then it was mostly investors. 80 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:40,120 Like looking to buy land and sell and like speculators on the coin or the token. 81 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,120 Yeah, essentially. 82 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,120 Yeah. 83 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,320 I guess they must have launched the token first. 84 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:53,040 But the land that they had was one of the first ideas of land that came up in all of 85 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,040 crypto. 86 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,040 I think Decentraland might have been first. 87 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,360 Sandbox was pretty soon after. 88 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,880 They might have had a few. 89 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,600 They might have had BoxedEdit and maybe like a preliminary game maker. 90 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,520 But for the most part they were just getting the funds together to really make a run at 91 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:17,840 this and using the team from their mobile app that they made back in 2012. 92 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:19,280 Oh yeah, yeah. 93 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:22,720 I remember the 2D mobile app. 94 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:23,720 Gotcha. 95 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:30,200 So as you can see, he has a number of lands and estates. 96 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,640 So he is well represented in the landowner side. 97 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:39,040 The assets, it looks very landowner assets. 98 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:44,840 You've got the catalyst pickups and the different landowner unlocks with the alpha passes. 99 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:47,520 So you said you dabbled a little bit in game creation. 100 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,520 What was your dabbling? 101 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,240 Yeah, good question. 102 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:57,640 So I did a few of the early, what are they called? 103 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:58,640 The game. 104 00:06:58,640 --> 00:06:59,640 Game Jam? 105 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:00,640 Game Jams. 106 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,800 I don't know if they were called that when I did it, but it was just like essentially 107 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:04,800 a game competition. 108 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,240 It was much more rudimentary back then. 109 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,640 I think it was 2021 when I did it. 110 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,680 So the games were like super simple. 111 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,840 And so I did one of like two of those, submitted my games. 112 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,640 They ended up being pretty buggy because I went really hard with it. 113 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,440 I tried to do things that the game makers wasn't really functionally capable of doing 114 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:25,440 yet. 115 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:32,240 It just spammed all of my logic, kind of just spammed and overflowed their server. 116 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,040 So I definitely did not win any of those. 117 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,600 They were pretty cool when I did them. 118 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,440 I was very excited about them. 119 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Gotcha. 120 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,920 And yeah, since then I haven't done much. 121 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,040 Mostly waiting for some of the features that I requested in that SIP to really get back 122 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,040 into it. 123 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,040 The NFT drops? 124 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,120 Yeah, the NFT drops would be cool. 125 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,120 Really I want the... 126 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,120 Crafting? 127 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,120 The, just like save. 128 00:07:54,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Yeah, the ones I had before they edited it, the save data feature, right? 129 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,240 Where you can just like add variables that go from play to play. 130 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,880 Because that's what I'm most excited about is kind of making the RPG style games where 131 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,600 you're coming in, you're grinding, you're collecting items, you're trading, doing things 132 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:14,600 like that. 133 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,320 And so once that happens, I'm definitely getting back in. 134 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,320 Gotcha. 135 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,320 That makes sense. 136 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,720 Pushing the envelope. 137 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,640 All right. 138 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:28,720 So you have been, you've been in the sandbox for quite a while. 139 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,360 So you know what the name of the game is. 140 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,180 And SIP 11. 141 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:41,000 Now that you've been through the SIP process, what sort of perspective do you bring as a 142 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,720 delegate having gone through that? 143 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,240 And we are both in the negative council recommendation club. 144 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,240 Yay! 145 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:56,720 A club which is a very healthy club actually by this point. 146 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:02,000 Yeah, I mean there's a decent amount of us. 147 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,880 What sort of perspective do you bring now that really has enhanced your perspective as 148 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:07,880 a delegate? 149 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:13,560 Yeah, I think the biggest thing I learned from that experience was that we need to be 150 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:19,280 more specific about the SIP pipeline, right, so we can get it right the first time. 151 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:25,360 I'm sure you've gone through this a number of times, but you'll send it to the DAO. 152 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,120 They'll kind of give you edits and feedback on it. 153 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,480 They'll send it back, go back and forth. 154 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,460 Mine was edited after Eddie approved it and then posted it. 155 00:09:34,460 --> 00:09:36,760 So I kind of got blindsided a little bit there. 156 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,680 So there's just a lot of inconsistencies in that process that we need to iron out. 157 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:46,800 I think that a good job of getting that process started with kind of a template strategy, 158 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,480 giving people an idea of what information they need to fill out for various types of 159 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:51,480 SIPs. 160 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,760 But then that's just the beginning. 161 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,920 Eventually what we're going to have to do is start passing SIPs, first of all, and then 162 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,560 when we pass the SIPs really seeing what works and what doesn't work after the fact because 163 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:08,680 there's going to be a lot of trial and error with all these once we actually start passing 164 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:10,800 a good number of SIPs. 165 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:11,800 So I'm excited about that. 166 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,880 But yeah, for the start, we just need to get the process more clearly to find what we can 167 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,320 and can't do, nail that down. 168 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,560 And then once we have that, we can start actually experimenting. 169 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:26,120 Yeah, I did a podcast recently on the new SIP process. 170 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,960 It took me, I think, two, two and a half hours to cover the whole thing. 171 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,440 It was a major upgrade to the old process. 172 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:40,100 And there were still a ton of questions about some things that they said were ineligible 173 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:42,760 and the new process expanded. 174 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,120 So it wasn't simpler. 175 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,680 It was just, there was more to it. 176 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:51,300 The biggest thing that I myself can see is the invite only system now. 177 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:56,120 It went from anyone can submit it to you have to wait to be invited to submit. 178 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,440 And that struck me as a little odd. 179 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:02,600 So I'm interested to hear how that sets, I'm interested to see how it's going to play out 180 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:08,760 both as an author myself, and then I'd like to see what on your side, how that looks to 181 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:09,900 the delegates. 182 00:11:09,900 --> 00:11:13,720 Does it feel better now, and especially for you since you've been through the process 183 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,400 before, does it feel better now that they've implemented this new process? 184 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,240 Or is this something there that we need to troubleshoot? 185 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:27,040 I think you'd be the right person to tap on that. 186 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,040 Yeah. 187 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,680 I think it really depends on how they execute it, right? 188 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:36,360 In theory, it's a good idea because they can limit the number of things they have to edit 189 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,800 and look at on a regular basis. 190 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,720 So it reduces that workload and just screen runs the process better. 191 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,240 The risk is centralization as always. 192 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,240 Yeah. 193 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:53,440 It's just this pipeline on off veto switch that somebody that nobody knows just gets 194 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,120 to kind of veto things without people's approval. 195 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:02,160 So I'm hoping that they understand that that's not what they want and that they are going 196 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,880 to use that very sparingly and mostly focus on getting things passed regardless of the 197 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,800 concerns about what the team has and whatnot. 198 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:17,640 But realistically, if the community has all the support backing it, if you post it on 199 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,880 the forum, it's something that everybody's getting energized about. 200 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:26,440 And then they pass most of those or at least get some effort through pushing that through 201 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,920 the funnel, then I don't think it's going to be too much of a concern. 202 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,440 The issue is if we start wanting things, then they push back and basically just throw it 203 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,600 into the garbage bin without anybody having seen it. 204 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,720 So as with all things, we'll see how it's implemented. 205 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,280 But I think in theory, it can be useful. 206 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,280 Yeah. 207 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,640 So talk to me about your motivation for applying to be a delegate. 208 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,640 What happened? 209 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,680 How did it happen? 210 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:54,680 Yeah. 211 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:57,320 Well, you guys know, we're going to watch the video. 212 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,560 But basically, we did a set up. 213 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:00,560 We are weaving. 214 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:04,160 I posted up for they seem pretty excited about it. 215 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,560 We got it up. 216 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:09,400 And then I think it had like 90 percent, maybe 80 percent. 217 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,800 I don't remember the exact amount of support. 218 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,200 But like, yes, votes. 219 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,240 But it didn't even get close to forum because, you know, there's just not enough people voting 220 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,240 on it right now. 221 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:25,760 And to be specific, the sandbox has been previously like outstanding on folks to get past forum. 222 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:26,760 But this one they did not. 223 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,280 And for a couple of the others, they did not. 224 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:35,040 So they were temporarily if using their voting powers, essentially a veto because people 225 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,360 can't reach quorum without their voting power. 226 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,120 So yeah, so that's what happened. 227 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,760 Not passing. 228 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,840 And now they've delegated that voting power to the delegates. 229 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,120 So they give me your power back. 230 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,120 So we'll see. 231 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:54,200 Maybe we'll be able to pass it again or at least get some ideas for it. 232 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,720 Yeah, it was 76 percent. 233 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,320 Yes, vote is what you got. 234 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,800 Only 20 percent said no. 235 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,380 And we didn't make quorum with it. 236 00:14:05,380 --> 00:14:10,640 So that that sucker would have passed very handily and had this delegate system been 237 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:11,680 in place. 238 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:16,520 So that's where I said in the very beginning, something that I think you hope doesn't happen 239 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,360 to other people. 240 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,160 Yes, so you. 241 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,960 So you are. 242 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,840 Is this like a revenge strategy? 243 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,400 Is that what I mean? 244 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,200 I think the main thing is just I've been acting with that. 245 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,880 I really want to get things passed. 246 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,240 And so it doesn't need to be revenge about anything. 247 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,120 Frankly, I thought that the actual implementation of the idea would probably take a long time 248 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,120 anyway. 249 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,120 So this is not something I want to rush. 250 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,040 I want to take it slow to do it right. 251 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:53,520 But yeah, what we what we learned from the whole epidemic is that we need to first figure 252 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,520 out how to pass this. 253 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,120 Yeah, we're not even at that stage yet. 254 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,320 So now I think we probably are. 255 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:06,120 We probably will reach quorum on every single vote, if not like maybe 90 percent of them. 256 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,280 So I'm hoping that issue is a problem to pass. 257 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,840 But we'll see how active the other delegates are, I suppose. 258 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,640 That makes sense. 259 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,640 So in the let's look at your voting history. 260 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,200 So I show it shows on. 261 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:29,320 What's this thing called snapshot that you were you voted in Metafactory, the sandbox 262 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,280 out and E&S on E&S. 263 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,720 You voted once and looked like for the Constitution. 264 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,360 So not your first constitution vote. 265 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,640 And then Metafactory, you voted. 266 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,640 Looks like mostly yeses. 267 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,160 I can't tell if that was a yes, but it looks like a yes. 268 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,160 OK. 269 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,280 And then on sandboxed out, you voted. 270 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,600 You voted on four and all yeses. 271 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,720 So what's your what's your approach to voting? 272 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:11,240 What rule of thumb are you following? 273 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,240 It's a good question. 274 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,960 I think at the beginning I was trying to vote on most, if not everything. 275 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,200 Also, I guess I'll start with the E&S and robot Metafactory, just because I don't think 276 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,200 they're as relevant. 277 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,760 So but we can just cover those for everybody's sake. 278 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,880 Yes, I was just voting the Constitution as we were creating the Dow as our fall. 279 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,880 So I was thinking, yeah, let's just get this through. 280 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,440 The Metafactory is probably specific. 281 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,240 Honestly, so long ago, I don't really remember. 282 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:46,400 I'm pretty sure it was specific payments to people that were participating in the Dow. 283 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:53,680 We had the Dow that was essentially like a little like brand creation Dow that was used 284 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:54,680 for four years ago. 285 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:55,680 Oh yes, four years ago. 286 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,680 Yeah, you've been Dowing for four years? 287 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,880 Yeah, I've been down for a while. 288 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:01,880 Holy smokes. 289 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:02,880 OK, I've missed that part. 290 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:08,000 That was like maybe the first thing, first time Snapshot was live. 291 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,920 So I didn't know I was talking to a Dow grandpa. 292 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:19,560 Yeah, so yeah, I see there was a vote on balancer smart pool parameters, updating the issuance 293 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:25,920 schedule, expense related packaging, membership tokens and is Metafactory dope? 294 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,400 I think that was the first test one. 295 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,400 That's right. 296 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,640 And the other ones were like, we set up a balancer pool back when balancer was a big 297 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,760 road that was for liquidity for the token and payouts for the token and other things 298 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:40,760 associated with that. 299 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,760 They're just mostly experimenting. 300 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,960 OK, I want to come back to this at the end if we have time. 301 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,800 I did not know your Dow history went back four years ago. 302 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:53,800 Now I'm just fascinated. 303 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,360 All right, so we're going to. 304 00:17:56,360 --> 00:18:01,680 OK, so talk to me about your voting strategy. 305 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:02,680 What's your approach? 306 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:10,400 So I think to start. 307 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,040 I'm going to vote yes, but I think it's a good idea. 308 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,360 No, I think it's a bad idea. 309 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:19,880 And then abstain if I don't have a strong preference. 310 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,520 I'll get into kind of what I think good and bad ideas are. 311 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,400 But for the most part, I guess the primary thing I want to do first is like pass some 312 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:27,400 steps. 313 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,760 So I think it's a good idea. 314 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,760 We have the budget. 315 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:31,760 It's not going to be too much of a concern. 316 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,760 Let's do it. 317 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,440 Those are going to be easy for the things that don't require a lot of budget. 318 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,600 So you know, the things that are kind of like signaling things like do reviews of various 319 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:47,320 projects that we could do, organization, things like that. 320 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,360 Mostly going to pass those. 321 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:52,600 Obviously, I think the debate on those is going to be pretty important, mostly like 322 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,160 just the forum post on that. 323 00:18:54,160 --> 00:19:00,040 But for the most part, those aren't going to be super concerning to me. 324 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,480 The bigger questions are like, what are we going to do with this budget? 325 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,440 And so some of the things that we do with the budget already, I think, are spend money 326 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:15,600 on state gangs, spend money on land, owner rewards, spend money on various projects in 327 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:16,600 outreach. 328 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:22,640 Like in Southeast Asia, there's some controversy around those, right? 329 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,640 So I want to be very diligent in my review of those. 330 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:33,720 And I think when doing SIPs like that, the main thing I want to see are, well, I guess 331 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,520 we'll start with the projects like that, right? 332 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:41,040 I want to see a team, somebody that has experience, I mean, those that they're doing has proved 333 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,560 that they've done things similar to this in the past and just shows that they're generally 334 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,800 competent at what they want money for. 335 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,360 So you're doing a SIP for a podcast, right? 336 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:54,120 I want to see that you've done podcasts and you've been doing them regularly and they're 337 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:56,440 generally high quality. 338 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,440 And so... 339 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,960 I got a long ways to go, Chris. 340 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,800 So yeah, I think for the budget ones, I just want to be very judgmental. 341 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,080 I think we're at a point in this year where the year's almost over and we still have at 342 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,120 least an amount of budget left. 343 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:16,240 So I'm not sure how they're going to roll that over, how they're going to apply that. 344 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,960 And they have the categories for budgets for each different type of thing. 345 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:30,720 So I just want to be very picky about who gets money when they support. 346 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,120 That's the biggest question, I think. 347 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:34,120 Okay. 348 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,720 And so when you were talking about you wanted to do quite a bit of diligence or you do diligence 349 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,840 on that, are you going to be... 350 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:45,420 I know you mentioned you want to make sure that they seem competent, that they have experience, 351 00:20:45,420 --> 00:20:46,420 that they can actually... 352 00:20:46,420 --> 00:20:49,160 They seem like they can deliver on the things that they said. 353 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:56,120 Are you going to want to see rates times labor hours, that sort of due diligence? 354 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,160 Or how deep do you want to go? 355 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:05,480 I mean, break down the budget in general costs would be great. 356 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,840 I think that for the bigger ticket items, that's going to be a must, right? 357 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:14,240 If you're going to ask for $100,000, something like that, they're going to have to have a 358 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,040 pretty detailed plan, absolutely. 359 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,720 More smaller things and individual projects, things like that. 360 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,080 I think I can pretty easily eyeball or understand it myself. 361 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,920 If you're an individual doing it, you're asking for $10,000 to do a podcast, right? 362 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,320 Okay, maybe you make a hundred bucks an hour. 363 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,200 That's a lot, but I can break that part down pretty easily. 364 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,800 What I can't break down myself is bigger projects, bigger costs associated, how they're going 365 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,080 to spend the funds and things like that. 366 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,480 So it's not going to be a bad idea to do things like stages, right? 367 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,480 If you hit X milestone, you get the rest of the money, things like that. 368 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,880 I think that'll probably be sorted out a lot in the SIT process too. 369 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,720 So we'll see what IACC versus the team does. 370 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,840 Yeah, the new SIT process goes from just one review with the Dow team to more of like a 371 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:12,160 three stage review with the Dow team, then the council, and then it goes through a third 372 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:18,560 like almost rehash review at the very end before it goes to even a public discussion. 373 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,680 So it extends the review quite a bit from just the way it looks now. 374 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,560 And that's for every SIP? 375 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,560 Yep. 376 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,560 Yep. 377 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,560 That's for every SIP. 378 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,560 Now, the implementation of it might go through some steps quickly. 379 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:39,600 I couldn't tell, but it does extend the SIP process. 380 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:46,320 And it went from, I think, a five or, actually I have the slide right here. 381 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:54,400 It went from a, when I counted, went from a five step process to an eight step process. 382 00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:00,840 So, yeah, the main thing that changed was before it goes to public discussion, there 383 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,520 are a few more steps now added to it. 384 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:10,000 So with that should come more review and diligence, like higher quality SIPs. 385 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,760 And yeah, but it might take a little bit longer before they get to you. 386 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,960 I'm unsure how it's going to play out now. 387 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:21,160 Yeah, because one of the things that I'm most, like the reason I like Dow and I want the 388 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,520 Dow to exist is so we can fund games that are cool, right? 389 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:30,720 So like, it worries me that they're adding too much red tape just because I don't want, 390 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:36,680 I don't want every game creator that wants money, like if you want $10,000 to go do something 391 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,080 and we have, you know, three million, right? 392 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,600 We can fund 20 cool little games and we can kind of get the gist of like, you know, the 393 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,840 experience of the people and just be a forum post and things like that. 394 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,440 Then I want to follow this through. 395 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,760 But if we can only do like one a month because they have to go through 10 steps. 396 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,380 Yeah, I'm unsure how they're going to handle that. 397 00:23:57,380 --> 00:24:05,000 But I just read in the post earlier today, the update from, from Cyril that there are 398 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,360 two already ready to go for the next batch. 399 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:10,560 And they're not my two, I don't think. 400 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,720 So they must be two of the new ones, I suppose. 401 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,720 I'm not really sure. 402 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,720 But we'll see. 403 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,800 We'll see. 404 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,880 We will see. 405 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:25,840 So other than ENS, Metafactory and Sandboxed Dow, are you involved with any other Dows? 406 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,840 Not currently. 407 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,840 Okay. 408 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,600 No, I don't think so. 409 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,280 I have, you know, other assets and things that I presumably could be participating if 410 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,280 I wanted to, but there's definitely nothing I'm taking in active hand in other than Sandbox. 411 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,280 What was that? 412 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,280 I didn't hear that. 413 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:46,280 I have like assets and other things that I could potentially be participating in other 414 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,040 Dows, but for now the Sandboxes are the only one that I'm taking in active hand in. 415 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,040 Me too. 416 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:57,360 I would love to be involved in those Dows too, but here I am in Sandbox. 417 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:58,360 This is the one. 418 00:24:58,360 --> 00:24:59,360 This is the one I want to do. 419 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,160 This is the best one. 420 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,160 Yep. 421 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,720 What sort of sips do you not support? 422 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:09,080 If not even due diligence, the ones that you generally, you're already leaning toward no 423 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,080 when you read? 424 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,080 Honestly, there's not. 425 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,080 The answer could be no. 426 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,080 Nothing. 427 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:19,040 Yeah, there hasn't been any put up for that. 428 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,880 There hasn't been any put up that I've immediately known that I want to veto. 429 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,480 All the ones that I've seen so far have been things that I would reasonably take a conscious 430 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,480 mind to. 431 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,520 I might vote no at the end of the day, but there's nothing so far that I've been like 432 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,520 absolutely not. 433 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:42,400 I guess to give a little bit more color, I haven't been excited about too many frankly, 434 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:48,440 except for the, what was the first one? 435 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,440 Magic palette? 436 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,440 Yeah, magic palette. 437 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,440 Everybody calls magic palette. 438 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,440 Gosh darn it. 439 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:59,520 Anything tech that's like improving our tech, doing cool new product features, making development 440 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,520 easier on the Sandbox. 441 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:06,240 Those are the ones that I really want to support and just throw my money in. 442 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,360 And you were excited about it because it improved our tech. 443 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:09,360 Yeah, exactly. 444 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:13,200 And I didn't even have a beta access to that. 445 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,160 I didn't have any really insider knowledge on how good the product was other than kind 446 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,400 of videos and screenshots they shared. 447 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,240 But I want to get the Sand community in the mindset of like, let's build tooling. 448 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,720 Let's make this really easy. 449 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,680 Let's make it so fast to make a game that you don't need $10,000 to make a game. 450 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,680 You know what I mean? 451 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,560 Well, the good news is I did a few podcasts with Pepe since then and we showcased it. 452 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,640 We're going to be doing another update podcast in about a few weeks, a couple weeks from 453 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,640 now. 454 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,080 And we'll probably be building something from start to finish with the newest version. 455 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,080 And so we can. 456 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,080 Yeah. 457 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,120 And we built one already from start to scratch. 458 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,280 And it was super simple. 459 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:02,040 I mean, you use Vox editor and you can, it cuts down your building time by a lot. 460 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,520 And we just, I shot him an image that I wanted to build. 461 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,560 It was like a Skull Island waterfall thing. 462 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,040 And he just invoxed at it. 463 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:17,080 And he used magic of Voxel, but he just hit bopity bloop and then import it into the web 464 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,680 browser and then the web browser import into game maker. 465 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:20,680 And it was done. 466 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,680 It was incredibly fast. 467 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,280 Yeah, that's, that's, that sounds awesome. 468 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,840 It sounds like what I expected, which is you're using other tools that we like the magic box 469 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,600 or is one that sand community uses pretty often. 470 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,800 And cause it's so feature rich and it's built for like good development. 471 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:45,520 So we can just port that, make it essentially our kind of base layer, game maker, world 472 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,520 maker. 473 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,800 And to me, that seems like such a huge upgrade. 474 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,800 Yeah. 475 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,800 Yeah. 476 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:57,280 So let's get into your delegate description and, and I've read it already, so I won't 477 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,280 read it again in the intro podcast. 478 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:07,080 The things I wanted to zero in on is the, the two main goals. 479 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:12,600 The first goal you mentioned was you want to be a voice for landowners who believe it 480 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,440 is the core asset of the project and want to see it appreciate in price. 481 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,120 So land is a core asset. 482 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,680 What do you mean? 483 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:28,240 I mean, but by that, I mean, um, land is kind of central to the whole development of the 484 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,240 sandbox ecosystem, right? 485 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,360 You know, we have a token, we have avatars, we have weapons, we have items, things like 486 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:34,360 that. 487 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:39,760 But like, to me, the land is kind of key piece that makes everything tick because you have 488 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,480 essentially ownership of games, you're the game creator. 489 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,880 What, what, whether you're renting or not, that's a little bit confusing, but for now, 490 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,560 like the landowners and the game publishers are kind of the people that we need to support 491 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:52,560 the most, right? 492 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:59,080 People are making the games and trying to make sandbox a more fun thing to play. 493 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,080 Right. 494 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,880 And I think when I talk about the price appreciation, right, it's not all about appreciating a price, 495 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,080 but it is something that I just wanted to mention in the sense of, like, we need to 496 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,880 make this asset valuable in the way that, in whatever ways we can. 497 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,760 And what the ways that we can are to make the sandbox fun and make good tools for game 498 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,320 developers. 499 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:26,720 And the way we can is make the, you say the asset or just the game fun? 500 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:32,600 So you make this asset valuable and the way we can do that is make the game fun? 501 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,240 Yeah, make, make playing the games fun. 502 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:40,960 And specifically, you know, by supporting the game makers, people that make the games, 503 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,960 right? 504 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,960 Got it. 505 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Okay. 506 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,680 So that, I think that answers the ecosystem question, because that was the biggest thing 507 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,880 I was wondering as I was reading is, was it just about the land and making it go up? 508 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,920 But it doesn't sound like that. 509 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,880 It's the benefit or it's the end result of ensuring that you create value for people 510 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,040 to own the land. 511 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,640 And that means making the game fun and building up the game makers as well. 512 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,000 Yeah, exactly. 513 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,600 It's all one big ecosystem thing. 514 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,520 And I guess I also should make this distinction on land versus sand, right? 515 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,160 You know, sand is a useful thing. 516 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,040 I think it makes sense to have for the sandbox. 517 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,440 But I think that's kind of like, not what I want to focus on, right? 518 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,720 I want to focus on land and games, kind of like the combination of those two and making 519 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,600 that a fun and valuable part, right? 520 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,800 And it's also just my personal angle, right? 521 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,920 I think it's good for other people to focus on different areas. 522 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,360 But that's kind of the piece of the sandbox that most energizes me, right? 523 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,840 Let's make fun games and let's put them on land and let's make owning a piece of the 524 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,920 metaverse a fun thing. 525 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,160 Landing games, put them together. 526 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,760 Got it. 527 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,760 Yep. 528 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,080 That makes sense. 529 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,600 And then the second thing that you mentioned in your description was you want to be a voice 530 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,840 for game developers who believe the sandbox isn't doing enough to focus on game maker 531 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,640 features that make the game, that make game development profitable. 532 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,760 There's a lot, a lot there. 533 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,640 If you've been in the sandbox for any sort of time and you've seen the arrival and departure 534 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:28,040 of game development studios, some of them the most recent and the largest and most historic 535 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,840 of them all, has taken a step back. 536 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,840 Is that what you're talking about? 537 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,840 Or is there another angle to it? 538 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,320 No, that's exactly right. 539 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:45,520 You know, currently, the game developers are kind of adherent to the sandbox for funding, 540 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,520 right? 541 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,520 You know, they have to pitch the game fund. 542 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,680 I guess they've made a lot of changes to the game fund recently. 543 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,680 That's more based on- 544 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,680 I was one of the last ones. 545 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,400 GMF 2023 RIP, press in peace. 546 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,400 Exactly. 547 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,320 And so, you know, I think that's good to start. 548 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,000 And I think it's good that they do the fund. 549 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,240 I'm not saying that anything about the fund is bad, but like there's a whole world in 550 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,480 which they don't need the fund anymore. 551 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,920 And that's after they implement some of the features I was asking for in the SIP and things 552 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,920 like that, right? 553 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,040 Where it's like, you can make a game, you can publish it. 554 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,320 It can be a fun game, a standalone game. 555 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,040 It doesn't need to exist in the environment of the alpha seasons. 556 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,640 It can stand on its own. 557 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,320 It can have its own like economy that people are interested in purchasing. 558 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,400 They have to use NFTs or, you know, getting whatever their own version of their own token 559 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,400 is. 560 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:43,320 And it's fun to stand alone and create its own little player base and funding source 561 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,400 in that way. 562 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,600 And so when I say like features, what I'm talking about is things like the crafting, 563 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,760 things like NFT drops, right? 564 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:58,520 You can't have an engaging game without kind of the components of the economy or some sort 565 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,720 of, you know, trading system and things like that. 566 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,360 And so those are the features that I'm really excited about and want to push forward. 567 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:11,240 And I think that those would be most beneficial to game makers getting their own funding and 568 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,900 basically being funded by their own players in a way. 569 00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:15,400 So that's my goal. 570 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,680 I think it's probably going to be a very low percentage of the total SIPs that get passed. 571 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,160 But with whatever voice I have, those are the things that I want to prioritize. 572 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,280 Okay. 573 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,480 So it's not just about bag going up. 574 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,360 All right. 575 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,360 Take note. 576 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,360 Take note. 577 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,360 We go out there for, you know, game makers. 578 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,360 So let's make it profitable to make gaming. 579 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,360 Yeah. 580 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:48,840 To make the ecosystem healthy and it will bring us all into healthy financial situations. 581 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,880 Yeah. 582 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,800 Okay. 583 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,600 I think that clears it up. 584 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,960 I think that clears it up pretty nicely. 585 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,480 And what would you say is the most ideal? 586 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:07,640 Now, the SanFam voter, what type of SanFam voter best fits the style of delegation you 587 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,560 want to bring? 588 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,640 What style of SanFam voter? 589 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:20,480 I mean, I kind of thought in the summary, it's like landowners and game developers. 590 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,560 I think at this point for me, I imagine them as one body. 591 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,480 You know, like the people that publish games usually have land. 592 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,880 Maybe that's not true in the future. 593 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:37,960 But to me, like the people that are going to contribute to the sandbox via putting games 594 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,480 on land, those are the people that I want to help the most. 595 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,480 Right. 596 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,560 I don't necessarily want to help the speculators on the sands open. 597 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,000 I don't necessarily want to help the players in the sandbox just yet. 598 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,680 Obviously, I want to do that through making fun games. 599 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,840 But like the people I want to prioritize right now are that kind of segment of voter. 600 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,840 Okay. 601 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,280 That's what I was after. 602 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:05,400 So you're looking to prioritize landowners and game developers, those who put games on 603 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:13,120 land and not necessarily prioritize the speculators on sand and those who the players even. 604 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,640 You build it, build it right, they will come. 605 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,920 That's the thought. 606 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,760 And also, I hope other people support the players at some point too. 607 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,800 But that's just not my focus right now. 608 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,800 Yeah. 609 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,960 I think you and I are pretty well aligned in that. 610 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:36,480 I want to build tools that, whereas Magic Palette improved the tech, I want to build 611 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,480 the process. 612 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,240 I want to build the structure. 613 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:44,400 I want to build the so that when they arrive, it's all neat and orderly and they can just 614 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,480 easily take an escalator to where they need to go, wherever it is. 615 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:57,040 Whereas Pepe will build like really, really souped up badass escalator, like a teleporter. 616 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,960 I want to build the process right. 617 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:05,240 Which is, so yeah, those are where my slips are going to come into play. 618 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,400 But I think that's really clear. 619 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,280 Prioritize the game developers and the landowners. 620 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,000 All right. 621 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,000 We're getting through this. 622 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,440 We're going to do this quite nicely. 623 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,240 What was the delegate process like for you going through it? 624 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:26,800 You mean applying to be a delegate? 625 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,560 It was pretty simple. 626 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:36,240 I kind of filled out the form, made my pitch, and then did the interview. 627 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,200 And the interview, I think I talked about a lot of the same things I'm talking about 628 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,000 right now. 629 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,480 I think the priority for me is first of all, figuring out how to pass this and then second 630 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:52,240 of all, prioritizing the creation of games and the ecosystem around that. 631 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:56,480 So in terms of the process, it was pretty smooth. 632 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:02,200 I guess I didn't hear back for four weeks or whatever it was, but other than that, it 633 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,960 seemed pretty straightforward. 634 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,240 And how did you get notified? 635 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:12,320 Just via DM on the form. 636 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,120 Okay. 637 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,560 And were you expecting the 2 million voting VP gift? 638 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:23,680 No, I mean, this is already a fan question, but you had to tell me that. 639 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,680 I didn't even know that. 640 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,680 Yeah. 641 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:32,400 So that was crazy. 642 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,400 It's interesting. 643 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,320 Well, I guess I don't know how I feel about that in the short term. 644 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,920 I think in the short term, it's a great decision because now we can finally pass a forum and 645 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,920 get sips through. 646 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,000 But long term, it's not the vision that I wanted, which is just, oh, the sandbox has 647 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,880 delegated all of their power. 648 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,000 Now it's in the hands of 12 people. 649 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,000 It's a slightly better system, but it's still not optimal. 650 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,000 So I'm not sure. 651 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,440 I think in the long term, what I hope happens is people start voting. 652 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,280 And so we can just, the sandbox can just remove all the voting power and people will just 653 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,000 vote and we'll pass forum without it. 654 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,840 But they don't unfortunately today see a war with which that's possible. 655 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,480 So in the meantime, you know, if it was possible, we wouldn't be in this situation. 656 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,480 Yeah, exactly. 657 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,480 Yeah. 658 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,480 Yeah. 659 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:27,120 So you and I both would probably be, we would both be in the negative council recommendation, 660 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,120 but still pass club. 661 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,120 That sounds like a much more fun part. 662 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,160 It sounds like a great club. 663 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,720 I'd have my window resizing for Magic Palette. 664 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:37,720 That's what I would have. 665 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:38,720 Gosh darn it. 666 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:39,720 No resizing for you. 667 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:40,720 I know, I know. 668 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:41,720 I'm stuck with 680 now. 669 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:42,720 680 resolution. 670 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:43,720 Good times. 671 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:44,720 All right. 672 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:54,000 Have you had to sign any additional agreements to be a delegate other than clicking I will 673 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,000 abide by the code of conduct? 674 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000 Nope. 675 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,640 I frankly, we haven't even got, we've gotten like a little group trapped together. 676 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,840 But other than just hearing that I was a delegate, there really hasn't been any hoops to jump 677 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:06,840 through. 678 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,200 So we're in the early stages of all this. 679 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:15,080 Obviously, I've been pitching to people to delegate to me and to delegate in general. 680 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,800 But the steps for me have just been interview, get approved. 681 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,080 Now it's live, like make something happen. 682 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,480 So there haven't been any shaky backroom dealings. 683 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,480 Gotcha. 684 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,240 I'm so happy to hear that. 685 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,800 It's just as straightforward as it sounds. 686 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,760 That to me, that's powerful. 687 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,760 That's very helpful. 688 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,760 Good thing. 689 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,760 Yeah. 690 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,760 Have you received the 2 million yet? 691 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,560 No, I don't know. 692 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:48,280 Frankly, I've been trying to figure out how to even see how many power or how many voting 693 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,840 power I've been delegated and I don't know where to see it. 694 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,720 I can see like other people's there. 695 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:58,240 But there's like one person has like 100k delegated. 696 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:02,200 I saw that on the delegation page. 697 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,080 But I haven't seen anyone with 2 million yet. 698 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,920 So I'm wondering, I think we're all wondering how does that work? 699 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,920 Is it like a new token? 700 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,040 It's they're gonna add it as a strategy? 701 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,040 I don't know. 702 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,960 I'll be fascinated to see how that works. 703 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,520 Are they about to drop you 2 million voting power worth of land? 704 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,520 Oh, jeez. 705 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:27,320 No, they said if they did that, but there's no way that's happening. 706 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:34,080 But they did say that they're like, giving like, moving it around as they see how active 707 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,600 the delegates are, you know, like taking away giving it to other people. 708 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,280 And then like, they're also taking applicants for more delegates. 709 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,880 So like, I don't know how that process is going to work. 710 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,320 I might get alluded like significantly over the course of the next year, which I would 711 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,240 be happy about frankly, like it'd be good for there to be more than 12 at some point 712 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:55,120 and have it divvied out around more people. 713 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,440 But no, I can't remember where I heard it. 714 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,240 But I think I heard that there there's another cohort. 715 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:07,160 I don't remember if it's 12 or what, but I don't think you're the last batch to go through. 716 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,840 Yeah, which if they gave another 2 million to them, then quorum is a thing of the past. 717 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:19,680 Yeah, but they I assume they're giving us from the sandbox voting power. 718 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,680 I don't know. 719 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,480 How much do they have 20 million in those other votes? 720 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,480 27 million. 721 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,480 27. 722 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,480 So 12 times one. 723 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,400 Well, 12 times two is 24. 724 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:35,520 So then it would probably I think that that would make sense for that to be slightly less 725 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,520 than their total voting power. 726 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,280 I don't know what else they'll do. 727 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,280 But I'm interested to see how that pans out. 728 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,800 It's a fascinating, it's a fascinating short term solution. 729 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:47,880 I'll give them that. 730 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,160 I'm with you. 731 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,480 I'm with you. 732 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,480 Cool. 733 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,460 We have reached the end man that we flew right through that that you have a very well structured 734 00:41:56,460 --> 00:42:01,840 and thoughtful approach to voting and how you want to do your due diligence. 735 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,320 I think that's I think that's great. 736 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,320 Thank you. 737 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,840 You know what you want to do and what you want to look for, which is not surprising 738 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,640 at all, given your history in the sandbox. 739 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,160 Yes, yes, I'm a very structured approach. 740 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,600 One thing I want, I want, I want it now. 741 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,720 But yeah, yeah. 742 00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:25,880 So let's let's get in that last bit that I did not realize as I was reading through your 743 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,240 profile. 744 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,440 You've been Dowling for four years. 745 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,480 Yes, I have. 746 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,280 Everyone else came out and started. 747 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,240 All right, teach me sensei what what what does that mean? 748 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:42,520 I know what it means like you've been clicking votes and all that. 749 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,120 But what was it like then? 750 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,120 What is it now? 751 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,200 Just how how tell me. 752 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,200 Yeah. 753 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:54,120 So back in the day, I was much more that that was really tiny. 754 00:42:54,120 --> 00:43:00,520 Like it wasn't that like today they've become these like big legal behemoths that nobody 755 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,400 really knows how they exist legally and everybody wants to participate. 756 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,200 That's why I have to do a podcast episode on them. 757 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,200 Right. 758 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,200 Exactly. 759 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,680 So so frankly, I'm not super familiar with like the downs of today. 760 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:18,000 What I was existing in was like, you know, down with 10 people or whatever, like E&S 761 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,000 was like, you know, I guess it was pretty big back when like the boom was happening. 762 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,400 But there weren't that many people that knew how to participate in the house and do doubt 763 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,400 things. 764 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,880 So it was really like you're talking to everybody involved and you're trying to figure out how 765 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:37,080 to like create a token and like manage the token and get liquidity for it and then like 766 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,720 create a product that people care about. 767 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,240 And most of them didn't end up getting off the ground. 768 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,200 So it was kind of a good point at the end of the day. 769 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,120 So we'll have to see how this next innovation goes. 770 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:53,520 I think it makes a lot of sense the way it's done today in the sense of it's we're structuring 771 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,960 around things that are pretty large. 772 00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,880 We're not trying to start and do a startup with a down necessarily because it just gets 773 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:08,000 to disorganize light and you need people that are constantly on their behind doing it. 774 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:14,080 Whereas it down, I think is mostly useful for getting community input on things and 775 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:19,120 like giving them a voice and actual direction of the project instead of like having it down 776 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,600 like do a startup together. 777 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,840 But you know, that's not to say it can't exist that way. 778 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,960 But that was what I was trying to do back with the Metafactory thing. 779 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:33,160 The Metafactory was a small firm of a couple hundred people or like a couple hundred total 780 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:38,400 owners of the token and maybe like 10 core people going to the meetings on a weekly basis 781 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,160 and doing the actual work. 782 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,600 So it's a difficult role, but that was much more fun. 783 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,840 So I think like what I'm excited about is hopefully you can kind of get the mini-dows 784 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,040 going for sandbox. 785 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,880 Once games start getting off the ground, you know, you have like a dowel for a little game 786 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:54,880 or do something like that. 787 00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:02,200 It's a little organized, but yeah, that's fine limited experience. 788 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,240 Yeah, I, someone just mentioned mini-dows. 789 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,560 I think it was maybe the intern. 790 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,840 He mentioned he'd like to see mini-dows as well. 791 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,320 What's your thought on what the mini-dows would look like? 792 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,280 It's a great question. 793 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,280 It's tough. 794 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,200 Like I'm not going to dowel for a specific game, right? 795 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,160 You can have like multiple contributors to a game. 796 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:32,840 Maybe you have somebody that, you know, like you have all the different team members of 797 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:33,840 a game. 798 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:39,400 The box editor people, the animators, the game logic structures, all those people and 799 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,440 they contribute towards this. 800 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,680 Like guilds or specific identities. 801 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:51,600 And then you get the optimal point of a dowel raise to allocate resources, right? 802 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,280 So what you want is that to be somewhat structured to the success and revenue of the game and 803 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:01,240 to have it doled out in terms of like a token or some sort of allocation, right? 804 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:07,400 So like that part's going to be pretty hard to figure out once we ended up in the point 805 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,360 in the sandbox where people are actually making games and then making games or making money 806 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,520 and things like that. 807 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,440 But there is a world in which you can pretty easily spin up a dowel, have people contribute 808 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:23,360 with whatever like contributions that they are best at, allocate them tokens, have the 809 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,280 revenue from the game directed into the token holders and have a pretty easy like governed 810 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,440 structure around that. 811 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:35,120 But that's a long time away, but that's kind of like the idea of a money dowel. 812 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,440 The way you say it though, I don't think that's going to be a super long time away because 813 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,080 not right now we have the new delegates, right? 814 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,360 And they're the new thing and people are like, what is this? 815 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,680 What can I do with it? 816 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:50,720 But as soon as people, as soon as the delegates start forming their identity, start and start 817 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:56,320 voters start going to different delegates, there's going to be a gap and a gap that either 818 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,920 a delegate can't fulfill because of the code of conduct or whatever. 819 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:04,960 And that gap is going to then become a lightning rod for a new delegate to come out whether 820 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,800 or not they're endorsed or not. 821 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,560 But which one will be the game dev delegate? 822 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,560 Which one will be the gamer delegate? 823 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:12,640 You know what I mean? 824 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,960 Like I can already see, I didn't even think about that until you said that. 825 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,400 So that ecosystem slide, I don't know if you're watching, I'll send it to you here in a second 826 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:29,400 of the message, this ecosystem slide easily to me has delegates written all over it. 827 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,560 This is the one I'm talking about. 828 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:40,520 And this is the, I'd introduced this slide now ever since I did 30, 31. 829 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,200 And on the left hand side, you've got the gamers, the game makers, the voxel artists, 830 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,920 landowners, the holders. 831 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,360 So you got people who, how you said you're not exactly interested in prioritizing speculators 832 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,480 maybe a speculators DAO or a speculators delegate with their own sub DAO comes about. 833 00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,240 And now when I want to do a SIP, I have to go to you, Crypto Diplo, and then I have to 834 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:01,240 go to them. 835 00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:02,240 Exactly. 836 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,240 Pitch maker pitch. 837 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:04,240 Yeah. 838 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,560 And then that's going to be fascinating. 839 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,360 The politics behind that. 840 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,080 That's not similar to what's happening in Apecoin DAO. 841 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,840 We have different types of delegates. 842 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,600 You have one delegate system that's based on the made by apes, which are like the people 843 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,560 who've been granted business licenses. 844 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,920 So they have a pretty large delegation. 845 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,720 Then you have, and you have delegates based on PFPs. 846 00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,200 You have all sorts of different types. 847 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,200 Huh? 848 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,860 I hadn't thought about that. 849 00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:35,000 So back when you were voting early on, how was voting accomplished? 850 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,000 Did you have snapshot? 851 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,000 Or snapshot? 852 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,000 Snapshot? 853 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,480 Yeah, I mean, you can see my books. 854 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,480 So we had it. 855 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,480 It was very different. 856 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,480 You know what? 857 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,000 As I said that, I realized what type of question that was probably, that was a really obvious 858 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,000 one. 859 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,000 Yeah. 860 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,000 Like that was, that was the only way. 861 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,040 And actually we had it smarter than it came out. 862 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,200 I mean, before that we even had, what were we doing? 863 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,600 I remember when snapshot came out, we were all like, oh, finally, we don't do this dumb 864 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:02,600 other voting. 865 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,200 I forget what it was, but we had, we had this other type of voting. 866 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,160 I think it was like on chain voting where you like literally had to sign the transaction 867 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,240 and like send it to like the DAO or whatever. 868 00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:14,120 So it's like really expensive when the material was blowing up. 869 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,680 So everybody's furious. 870 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,320 And then snapshot finally came out and they were like, all right, let's just do this little 871 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,040 like sign your transaction thing. 872 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,040 Got it. 873 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,040 Got it. 874 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,040 Yeah. 875 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,680 Cause when you were voting, what was that? 876 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,680 It was 24 years ago. 877 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:30,680 Okay. 878 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:31,680 So 2020. 879 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:32,680 All right. 880 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:39,720 So it was after, right before the land craze, but after the craze in 2017, 2018 when the 881 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:40,720 gas wars. 882 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:41,720 So, okay. 883 00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:45,840 But still it would have been expensive at that time regardless. 884 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:46,840 Yeah. 885 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,480 And it was when we were doing it on chain, it was, it was probably during prayers or 886 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,040 like shortly like on the, on the come down of it. 887 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,280 So, and then, and then snapshot finally came out. 888 00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,120 I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was, it was a glorious day. 889 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,120 It was a glorious day. 890 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,120 Yeah. 891 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,120 Yeah. 892 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,120 $200 gas fees. 893 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,120 Yeah. 894 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,120 Just a vote on some proposals. 895 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,120 Oh man. 896 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,320 I remember, I remember I wasn't a Dowing. 897 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,280 I wasn't Dowing back then, but I remember those transactions. 898 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,280 They were painful. 899 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,280 Yeah. 900 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,280 Right on. 901 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,280 That's it, man. 902 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,040 We ran through all the questions that that was, you have a very structured approach. 903 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,920 Like I said, I appreciate you sharing your, your Dow history. 904 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,920 That that's cool. 905 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:32,920 That's cool to see. 906 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,000 I'm happy to see that they made you a delegate. 907 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:43,560 I'm happy that you, you have the, the Dow history and the sandbox history and you were 908 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,560 a SIP author. 909 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,600 So you kind of have that, that you're not new to DOWs and being voted and voted on, 910 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:50,600 voted for. 911 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,960 You're not new to the SIP process within the sandbox and you're not new to the sandbox 912 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,000 itself. 913 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,600 So it kind of makes you a very well-rounded delegate. 914 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,600 Yes. 915 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,800 That's, that's what I hope to be. 916 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:10,240 And I also, you know, I do understand that there's a lot of people that will probably 917 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:14,080 significantly more qualified for me that for this position that were passed over. 918 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,200 So I'm going to do my best to make sure I get this right. 919 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,160 And I hear opinions of everybody and everybody challenges me. 920 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,080 So I want to make it, I want to make that point very clear. 921 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,560 I'm not here to take the power from myself. 922 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,200 I want to make sure this is as much of a team effort as possible. 923 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,400 Right on. 924 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:39,200 And if you want to make Crypto Diplo your delegate, you can contact him at Crypto Diplo. 925 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,260 That's his Twitter X handle. 926 00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:43,120 You can find him on Discord. 927 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,080 Pretty easy to search Crypto Diplo. 928 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,280 And his ETH is Robbie.eth. 929 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,920 R-O-B-B-I-E.eth. 930 00:51:51,920 --> 00:52:03,000 And as you can see, he is a seasoned dower and experienced sandboxer, sand fam. 931 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,820 So there, I've been sharing this with the delegates and I do this after every episode 932 00:52:07,820 --> 00:52:09,680 to the sandbox spaces. 933 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:16,120 You yourself know quite clearly that on Discord there's the hashtag DOW discussion channel. 934 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,080 There's also the sandbox DOW forums. 935 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,960 On Twitter there's sandbox DOW, sandbox game hashtags. 936 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:28,200 On YouTube there's the sandbox DOW YouTube page, which I mean, I think you watched the 937 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,800 episode yesterday so you know that. 938 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:31,800 Mine. 939 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,880 And then Bruno's pickaxe master, Sand Fam Cafe. 940 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,120 He's taken a hiatus so recently. 941 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,500 So I think Sand Fam Cafe is on a little bit of a pause right now. 942 00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:47,320 But then there are the Twitter and X spaces that happen every week. 943 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,320 So Mochaverse Hall, otherwise known as United Grand Halls happens Monday. 944 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,680 It's actually going on right now. 945 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,740 But this was the best time for us to do it, our podcast. 946 00:52:56,740 --> 00:53:01,280 So they're going on right now every Mondays. 947 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,120 Bulls on the Block. 948 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,480 They're really big into Apecoin, Dow, and Sandbox. 949 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,480 And they're land owner and sandbox. 950 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,660 So they are on Saturday mornings, Eastern time. 951 00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:19,680 And then Coffee with Captain, they're mostly Apecoin, Dow, but also they cover Sandbox. 952 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,640 And it's Monday through Friday. 953 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,360 And last but not least is Whale Members. 954 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,360 They just launched their DOW. 955 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,260 They're one of the largest landowners in the sandbox, but they do their natively digital 956 00:53:30,260 --> 00:53:31,840 on Tuesdays. 957 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,440 And I am trying to get with their DOW that they just launched, I'm trying to push through 958 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:43,280 a WIP proposal for them to vote on every single proposal. 959 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:53,280 And with that, I see an opportunity for the delegates to advocate both for themselves 960 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,920 and also for how you're going to vote. 961 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,880 That's another place where Sandfam people will gather as well. 962 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:08,360 So, yeah, just some places that you might pick up some delegated power there and connect 963 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,360 with people. 964 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,960 Right on, man, I'm going to look for someone to raid, see who's on the sandbox. 965 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,960 What do you call that? 966 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,960 Channel? 967 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,240 See if there's anyone else on other than me. 968 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:30,120 But is there anything that you'd like to say to everybody before we raid out? 969 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,920 Delegates mint. 970 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:35,920 Delegate to crypto Diplo. 971 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,920 There we go. 972 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,760 I don't see anyone else on right now. 973 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:40,880 It's just me. 974 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,720 So we're going to raid. 975 00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:46,440 We're going to raid. 976 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,440 Gassy. 977 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,440 There we go. 978 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,560 All right, so I'm going to start the raid. 979 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,560 Crypto Diplo, thank you very much for your time. 980 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:59,920 I really appreciate you taking the time to explain who you are and how you want to vote 981 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:06,720 and lay out your structured approach for furthering landowners and game developers to make sandbox 982 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:07,720 a healthier ecosystem. 983 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:08,720 Let's do it. 984 00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:09,720 Thanks for having me, Lancer. 985 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:10,720 Right on. 986 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:11,720 Good to see you again. 987 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:36,920 Bye, everybody.