1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,220 All right, Sandow Podcast number 43. Today we have Old One, who is a very familiar face 2 00:00:10,220 --> 00:00:15,560 in the sandbox ecosystem. Welcome back Old One for the second time on Sandow Podcast. 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,360 How are you doing? 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:26,420 Hey everyone, I'm happy to be here again. And I'm here to discuss about the recently 5 00:00:26,420 --> 00:00:30,600 happening about the sandbox dynamic. I'm getting excited. 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:37,760 Yeah, I am very excited about the delegation system and all the things that are now available 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,920 to us when we hope that quorum is a thing of the past. And today we're going to learn 8 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:51,360 about one such delegate, Old One, who, as you'll see, is very familiar to the sandbox 9 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:58,040 style and learn about how Old One wants to approach voting and if Old One is the right 10 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,160 delegate for you. 11 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,680 So our scope of the talk is a meet and greet. It's also a learning opportunity. And our 12 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,760 disclaimer is that we do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox style foundation. 13 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,680 We are not your financial or legal advisors and nothing we say is to be taken as financial 14 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:21,280 or legal advice. When I say the word SIP, we mean sandbox improvement proposal. When 15 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,960 we say the word DAO, we mean decentralized autonomous organization. And when we say the 16 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:32,600 word SanFam, we mean the sandbox community who participates in people, product, and purpose 17 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:39,240 of the sandbox ecosystem. That ecosystem is divided up into people, product, purpose. 18 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:46,240 And on the people side, specifically for this episode, we're focused on the DAO delegate, 19 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:57,800 of which Mocha, excuse me, Old One is one of the 12 that was just appointed and approved. 20 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:05,960 So we began on May 28th when the DAO was announced via a medium article. And then September 10th 21 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:13,520 is when the sandbox style opened up its delegation applications. November 13th, just five days 22 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:20,080 ago, 12 delegates were announced. A quick reminder, scoreboard and the checkbook have 23 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,400 not changed. The DAO admin team is hard at work to put the delegation system into place. 24 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:34,040 So the SIPs will not be resumed until November 22nd, which is later on this week, per one 25 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:40,520 of Cyril's posts. So like I said, November 13th, five days ago, the 12 delegates were 26 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:48,240 announced and today's episode is Old One. And when you look at him on the delegation 27 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:59,640 site, it's oldone.eth, O-L-D-W-O-N dot E-T-H. Old One, welcome back. And some background 28 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:06,860 carryover from episode six. Episode six is when Old One was first on where we interviewed 29 00:03:06,860 --> 00:03:14,360 Old One to learn about Mocha CN delegation and how they voted and what was the possibility 30 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:22,440 to earn their vote. Now Old One is back as a delegate and Old One's background is in 31 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,680 gaming branding and product design based in southern China, helped set up a web three 32 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:36,100 business with Lulu land in 2021 and Old One's partner is in New York. If you're interested 33 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:40,600 in all the details surrounding that, go back to episode six where you can see that in depth. 34 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,640 But Old One, how would you like to expand your background? Please introduce yourself 35 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,640 to the voters. 36 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:52,920 Yeah, first, I like the way you describe and introduce all the basic concepts of the web 37 00:03:52,920 --> 00:04:01,040 three things like DAO and SIP. I like it. And yeah, we have been spending around like 38 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:06,840 three years or even four years in the sandbox, building experiences, developing customer 39 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:14,040 tours. We are pretty much focused on the metaverse things and currently also trying to explore 40 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:22,880 a new business about the toys mixing with NFC technologies, which can be which can do 41 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:28,720 some like a bundle and an FTE, physical bundle and FTE, these kind of things. And you can 42 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,280 find more information on my Twitter and I'm pretty excited about the improvement of the 43 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:36,280 sandbox about the delegates everything. 44 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:41,280 Yeah. Yeah. And they call you call it block toys, don't you? 45 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:47,480 Yeah, you can call it break toys, block toys, like on hoist. It's not like a Lego, but 46 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,480 yeah. 47 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:55,480 Gotcha. And so NFC tech where you can sand and NFC and then it will unlock an NFT bundle. 48 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:06,880 Yeah. Right on. Excellent. And so when, when did you become SanFam? What would you say? 49 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:18,440 I think very early in that you see that I think it's 2021 around July something when 50 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:27,760 the XC infinity is very loud at that moment. And I do play some XC infinity. I got many 51 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:35,480 cans and after, after that, I think I spent all my money from XC infinity in the sandbox 52 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:45,520 land. And at the time it becomes SanFam. I also start like become a creator in that time. 53 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,480 Gotcha. So first you were a gamer and then you became a creator. 54 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:56,040 Yeah, because I'm a designer. I'm kind of like this thing, like the Voxel. 55 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:05,560 And speaking of designer, if you didn't know, old one is the co-founder, the creator of 56 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:12,240 Lulu land, which if you, if you recognize that name, you should because Lulu land, if 57 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:17,320 you look on the metaverse map and everyone can see it on my screen here, right at zero 58 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:24,280 zero, just go north a little bit and look what's right there. Lulu land, just north 59 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,760 of zero zero with many, many experiences. You can see a few of them there right now, 60 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:36,480 but Lulu land has been, uh, I, I played Lulu land when I first joined in 2021 as well. 61 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:45,240 And Lulu land has over 500 assets, many, it says four experiences just for Lulu land 2021, 62 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:50,080 but how many experiences would you say you've developed at this time? 63 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:55,480 I don't know. It should be around 10 or even more because also helping from clients to 64 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:04,000 develop their experiences like a Metaria, like, uh, the HK field, like the Hong Kong 65 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,960 symphony thing, metaverse symphony, you know, mocha, various, all this. And we have some 66 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:16,280 very, very tiny games, uh, maybe not on the map yet. I don't know if still there like 67 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,560 ice cream jumping, blah, blah thing. 68 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:27,120 Yeah. Lulu land is, is a very well known developer and you've created some really cool experiences 69 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:32,360 that I think almost everyone has played if they played the sandbox. So there should be 70 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:41,080 no, no, um, no unfamiliarity with your contributions to the sandbox as a creator. And would you 71 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:49,240 say that, like you said earlier, you, that you became a creator, um, were you always 72 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:55,440 a creator type or did you fall into it after gaming? 73 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:02,640 I think I'm always a creator type. Yeah. And the, why I like sandbox is not really 100% 74 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:09,120 about gaming. It's still about how easy it is to create something in it. Like with smoke 75 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:16,000 so added, you don't really need to be a 3d, 3d professional to, to, to do that. But, uh, 76 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,520 everything's just easy. You can easy to start and then it is easy to start with. 77 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,360 Yeah. Especially have you been keeping track of magic palette and how that's going to happen? 78 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:35,400 It was great idea. You know, that, uh, we were, we want something when we build the 79 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:41,320 first experience in the sandbox, but now it's brought out by, by, by sent us, right? 80 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:48,680 Yeah. That I same rush and they just, they just entered into beta and they're very nearly 81 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:51,800 done with being able to launch it with everyone. 82 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:57,840 Oh, so that, that should make your creative flow process so much easier because you can 83 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:03,400 create, you can create in Vox edit and then import it into the browser. Then that browser 84 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:09,040 gets imported into game maker. I did a podcast with Pepe on it and it was super easy. It 85 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:14,920 was so easy to make so much easier than single block placing in game maker. You can then 86 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,600 mass block, create and Vox edit and then import it. And there's like a bridge that connects 87 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,600 it all the way to game maker. And it's, it's so fast. 88 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,960 I mean, it's next time maybe you can put three of us together to have further discussion 89 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:37,560 because we even had something very similar called pinnacle. It's like a module with module 90 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:42,800 design way of putting all the models together to do very fast construction in the sandbox 91 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,480 game maker. We can share that part with Swiss. 92 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:52,040 Yeah, I'd have no, I'd have no problem at all. I'll connect the two of you together. 93 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:57,840 Good. That's cool. So I would, my next question was, is what has been your involvement in 94 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,560 the sandbox community? But I've already kind of spilled the beans on that. I've spoiled 95 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:09,720 it. But I pulled the quote from lululand.world, which is what we talked about in episode six, 96 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:15,720 is lululand, it said it wants to be the entertainment destination within the sandbox. 97 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:21,480 Since we last talked, has that changed? Are you still, is that still the primary mission 98 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,920 of lululand within the sandbox? 99 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:31,360 I think we just, it's not really changed. But if we see something changed, that's the 100 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:36,920 destination within the metaverse, maybe, maybe not only about sandbox, because you know, 101 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:43,480 we are also doing the physical toys. And we're also like a partner, working together with 102 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:50,480 some more partners like mochaverse, like maybe Apecon and maybe blah blah. Yeah, so we're 103 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,080 finding chances to grow bigger. 104 00:10:53,080 --> 00:11:00,560 Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. And let's now get into the actual delegation part. What 105 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:03,320 was your motivation to apply to be a delegate? 106 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:12,560 Oh, that's a good one. You know that, first of all, I think we had a Chinese owner, Chinese 107 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:20,840 landowner group, which got over 500 people. And all these people, they're heavy buyers. 108 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,920 If you got the data from sandbox, you will find out, okay, the Chinese really owns a 109 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:31,960 lot of land. But to be honest, to be honest, that the price of the land is keep falling. 110 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:39,040 So all these people are trying to find some chances. And to see what the future is the 111 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:46,160 sandbox to see what we can do to improve it. So I think that is the reason I am here, because 112 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:54,080 I want to be a communication channel for the Chinese landowners with the community. Yeah, 113 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,080 something like that. 114 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:07,040 Yeah. Yep. Landowners. No, I think that's very, very consistent with what we began with 115 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:16,600 some time ago on an episode six, where you this started even then, you were you were 116 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:25,800 not only just found having founded the Mocha CN, but you wanted to be a voice within the 117 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:34,800 community to be that bridge between English speaking and in French speaking and the Chinese 118 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:43,640 speaking communities. And I've been watching that a lot. And it seems like there is a I 119 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:49,760 don't know about a separation, but it seems like there is like a language barrier. And 120 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:56,760 it's difficult to Yeah. So what's your idea of how to to change that and prove it? Or 121 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,080 what do you want to do there? 122 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:05,480 It's, I can say it's pretty hard, but it's just need someone to keep working on it. It's 123 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:13,720 like doing all the translation, maybe organize meetings, organize bilingual AMAs, kind of 124 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,680 bring all these people together to have a chance to know each other to understand the 125 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:22,360 culture. I think it's not really only the the language problem is more about the culture 126 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:30,960 problem. And what I can say is matters is really good place to to to build this connection, 127 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:38,280 you know, before we have an experience called a love is forever. And we used to organize 128 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:45,840 events on it. Some even wedding events. Yeah, the first wedding event. That's right. Honey. 129 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. People just Yeah, yeah, you know, people just drawing and sometimes 130 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:56,760 he can communicate. They don't really need words to communicate. They can easily build 131 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:03,440 up the trust trust and then they find chances and to talk. And yeah, I think that is that 132 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,600 is the beautiful part of the matter. I think. 133 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:13,760 Yeah. And, and tell me about the the culture thing because I, I like, like many others, 134 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,940 I can read about the Chinese culture, but I don't really understand it to the degree 135 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:22,920 that I could ever hope to like you do. What is it about the the Chinese culture that we 136 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,680 can learn and understand and grow with? 137 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:31,920 Oh my god, this is big one. Oh, you're right. That's that's an unfair question. It's hard 138 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,920 to answer. How can we put that way? 139 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:41,200 Sorry, sorry. How can we do it within the sandbox? Maybe that's more fair question. 140 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:48,160 Yeah, yeah. For example, based on the landowners, I think that the Chinese landowners treat 141 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:56,480 everything in a different perspective because I think some foreign landowners, their landowners, 142 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:02,080 maybe they don't own very, they don't own a lot of lands, but they are landowners and 143 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,480 they also create games and they are also players. But in the Chinese community, this situation 144 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:14,400 is different. Some heavy bear, heavy buyers of the lands, they just treat this as a pure 145 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,960 investment. They don't play games. They don't make, they may, they may haven't opened the 146 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:27,000 game maker once in the past four years. They only invite, they only do investment. And 147 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:33,280 for those creators, they are just creators. They may not know about the web three at all 148 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:38,400 at the beginning and they have to spend a lot of time to learn, okay, what is web three? 149 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:44,240 What is blockchain? Everything. And maybe they don't own a lot of lands. And for the 150 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,960 creators, maybe they are not even playing games. It's kind of separated. And the players, 151 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:56,840 there are some heavy players like studios. They are organizing, maybe that's not good, 152 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:02,060 but they are organizing a lot of camps to play the game, try to do the play to earn. 153 00:16:02,060 --> 00:16:05,940 They have played to earn studios. I mean, each role is kind of separate. I don't know 154 00:16:05,940 --> 00:16:13,920 if this thing happens in foreign, in Western countries, but from my perspective in the 155 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:23,320 Chinese community, the roles are more separated, but in the Western, the roles are more separated. 156 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 157 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:32,720 Okay. Got it. So where you're a gamer, you might just be a gamer or creator, you might 158 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,720 just be a creator and a landowner, you're buying and selling land. And those different 159 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:43,040 groups, do they coexist with the MochaCien or are they separated there? 160 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:50,040 They not really exist in the MochaCien. We had another sandbox landowner group from the 161 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:58,560 very first days of the sandbox. There's another very good friend called Harvey. He's also 162 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:08,440 working as a Chinese, I think, manager or something. And he did a lot of work on generating 163 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:18,120 all this. I think he got around 16, 20, which had groups. Yeah, it's a lot of people there. 164 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:20,880 And Harvey was working in MochaCien? 165 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:29,200 No, no, no, he left the sandbox for a while. I mean, he left the company, but he's still 166 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,560 working in the ecosystem. 167 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:42,600 Got it. Got it. Okay. I think there's a lot to learn there. And I'm excited that you are 168 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:49,760 one such delegate that you can bridge that gap. Because I would very much like to see 169 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:57,520 coming together in our ecosystem. Because whether you're Chinese or French or Italian 170 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:04,160 or American, doesn't matter. We're all a sand fam in the end. 171 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,880 Yeah, I want to. I want to try my best. 172 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Yeah. I mean, we're always going to do the best we can. We speak different languages. 173 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,920 We're going to need subtitles in Google Translator and whatever else we can do. 174 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,440 That's an interesting part of the matter, right? 175 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:27,800 It is. It is super interesting. Yeah. The next question was, does any crossover exist 176 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:33,320 between your sandbox style delegate position and MochaCien? 177 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:39,840 I think it's kind of separated. It's not really crossover. But you say crossover, there might 178 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:46,560 be crossover of the community members because sandbox and mochaverse are both under any 179 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:54,560 mocha brands. A lot of users both hold mochaverse assets and so hold sandbox. I think that's 180 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,080 the crossover part. 181 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:03,520 Got it. Okay. So that's not really, there might be some crossover in terms of individuals 182 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:13,100 in mochaverse being in your delegation. However, it's not like you and MochaCien are the same. 183 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:15,960 You are separate and different from each other. 184 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,160 No, we are separate too. 185 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:25,880 Okay, got it. And let's talk about your approach to voting. Old ones approach to voting. So 186 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:32,380 I looked at the voting history and I didn't see, oh nevermind, I did see, I saw participation 187 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:40,320 in MochaDow. Which, surprise, surprise, you're in MochaDow. So it looks like the six votes 188 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:48,840 that you casted there, about half were against, two were for, one was abstained. And then 189 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:55,520 the one that you voted in the sandbox, you voted for the Parasity Jam and you voted for 190 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:01,400 one of the options. Can you describe to us your approach to voting in Dows? 191 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:11,600 For MochaDow, I just do delegates actually. I seldom go there to vote myself. But for 192 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:21,600 sandbox I think I have to be more active since I become a delegate. And the principle I hold 193 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:27,000 in voting, I think, which is kind of easy, I just want to see, because I'm more like 194 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:36,600 a creator, so I want to see more creative, like creator-related SIPs and this kind of 195 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:45,840 things. I'm not into those voting to ask the sandbox team to do some work on their 196 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:54,600 side. But to me, I think the Dow needs to work more independent, not really bundle together 197 00:20:54,600 --> 00:21:02,600 with the official team. It should be kind of separated, get its own space to develop 198 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,880 what the community wants. 199 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:05,880 Got it. Got it. 200 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:12,400 And second is, I'm careful, but many, I don't want to see people wasting money on useless 201 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:19,040 things. And we also hold this principle with MochaDow. 202 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,120 And say that first part, you hold that with the MochaDow? 203 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:24,760 With principle. 204 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,080 Oh, okay. You do the same with MochaDow. Okay. Got it. 205 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:33,560 Yeah. In single voting, we really consider it as important thing. We don't want to waste 206 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,280 money on useless things. 207 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:40,480 Right. Okay. So you don't want to waste the money. Okay. Tell me about that. What's the 208 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:46,160 approach to being careful about money? 209 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:53,560 I think, you know, as my background, I had experience in many different fields. So I 210 00:21:53,560 --> 00:22:03,120 understand how a project is running. I also know what is the logic cost of a project. 211 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:11,240 I think that is my tour to judge if the cost is kind of valuable or not. 212 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:23,200 Got it. Okay. And does that also apply in MochaCN? Like that same principle? 213 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,480 I think almost. 214 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,480 Okay. Got it. 215 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:39,240 MochaCN, we got experience in investments, in projects. So yeah, I think it is. 216 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,880 Got it. And so you would carry that same principle as a separate and distinct delegate for the 217 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:50,280 sandbox style. And in your experience in project management and assessing logical costs of 218 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,680 projects, you would be very interested in making sure that we're careful to spend money 219 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,680 wisely. 220 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:56,680 Yes. 221 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:08,800 Okay. Okay. Well, makes sense. And you know, I think that answers that question about your 222 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:14,640 approach to voting. So number one, you want to see more creator related SIPs and number 223 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,480 two, careful to spend money wisely. Okay. 224 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,480 Yes. 225 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:27,480 Are you involved, other than MochaDao and sandboxDao, are you involved in any other 226 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,480 DAOs? 227 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:35,280 I think we are somehow involved also in the ApecoinDAO because the MochaDao voting at 228 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:42,000 the moment is all about the ApecoinDAO. So people from ApecoinDAO also reached out to 229 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:50,240 me to talk about the AIPs. And I also got one of my AIPs there based on the blog toy 230 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:58,720 project. So I think I only got involved in the spree. And most of them are, and every 231 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,400 of them are animal care related. 232 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:14,040 Okay. And next would be your delegation description. So your delegation description was very, very 233 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,180 succinct and to the point. And I really liked reading this. Every voice should be heard 234 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:24,220 and every good idea to get the power to thrive. For you, how, how did you want to accomplish 235 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:27,960 every voice being heard? 236 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:37,640 I think the difference of the sandbox or the most attractive part of the sandbox is some 237 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:44,240 small, like some, some, some independent creators can find a chance there other than in the 238 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:52,840 traditional business. So game creator and voxel artist, they can also find their position 239 00:24:52,840 --> 00:25:01,400 in the sandbox. But I also see that during the development of the sandbox, a lot of good 240 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:09,240 creators don't got the chance they deserve to. So when they start roll out, I think, 241 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:17,260 yeah, we should definitely help these great creators to grow. And yeah, and the creator 242 00:25:17,260 --> 00:25:22,160 is everything for the, for the, for the matters because they are producing content, they're 243 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:29,120 producing value. So that's what I think. 244 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:36,240 And that now, now I'm really, really fascinated because in, in use, when you explain the culture 245 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:42,960 within the Chinese community, you have those very separate and distinct roles. So if they, 246 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:51,220 if they delegate to you, those, those individuals, how will you hear each voice while, yeah, 247 00:25:51,220 --> 00:25:53,640 how will you hear each voice? 248 00:25:53,640 --> 00:26:01,800 Oh, you have to do the discussion with, with different group of people based on different 249 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:08,080 issues, I think. Yeah, there might be some, some, some nice IPs related more to the landowners. 250 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:13,200 They talk more with their landowners and for great for creators, I will have to discuss 251 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,880 with them. But luckily we have different reach out groups based on different kind of different 252 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:26,120 type of participants. Yeah, landowner group and creator group. And during all that past 253 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:31,800 four years, luckily we also built up good connection with these people. So the community 254 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:38,320 communication channel, I think, inside the Chinese group is pretty good. It's pretty 255 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:45,400 finished. But the problem is just that this community, the communication channel between 256 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:52,760 the Chinese group with the Western is they will need to build up. 257 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,600 The Chinese group and who? 258 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,600 And the Western. 259 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,960 Oh, the Western, right, right. Western. 260 00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,960 Yeah. 261 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:06,000 Yeah. I think I would be interested in helping to bridge that gap. There's, I think there's 262 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:13,360 probably something that we can do to where we can host some sort of communication channel 263 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:20,560 between like have a have a Western and Chinese group get to know each other day or something. 264 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,560 I don't know yet. 265 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:35,520 Okay. So you within, so within your the Chinese group, there are the different communication 266 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,680 channels that are very separate from each other. So when you have a SIP that you're 267 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:50,480 being asked to vote on, do you have any idea of how you you you discuss it with each group 268 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,920 and then weigh each group's opinion against each other? 269 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,960 We're in the opinion against each other. 270 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:04,800 I mean, it's a turn of phrase, I guess I should say. Do you have a way to weigh each group's 271 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,800 opinion on 272 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:18,760 Okay. To be honest, we don't have a very finished solution for this problem at the moment. But 273 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:24,120 let's see how it will go with with the voting happens. 274 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:27,840 Yeah. Okay. So you're going to figure it out. 275 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:35,120 What I'm trying to do is just try to get the community, get the attention from the community 276 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:40,480 on the Dow because some of them are being quite forward. So first, we need to get the 277 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:46,160 attention and then got it got it. I would still cut voting power and make them active 278 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:51,280 and then we talk about the next step like on voting because I think people still need 279 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,880 to be educated on the Dow things. 280 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,480 Okay, that makes that makes a lot of sense, especially when you said because they're, 281 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,840 they're so specialized, some haven't even opened game maker. Some, some probably don't 282 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:10,560 even like you said, don't even know what three is. And okay, yeah, I get it. That that is 283 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:16,480 quite a complex problem. You every group has its own different thing that you're that you 284 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:23,360 want to try and to either convince them of or persuade them or inform them and educate 285 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,080 so they can become Dow members. 286 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:35,160 Dow creators, I think we just need to hold our own principle like the IP itself should 287 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,480 be good for the ecosystem. That's it. And everyone can understand. 288 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:47,280 Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be a tough problem. But I'm looking forward to helping to bridge 289 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,360 a gap and have a good healthy ecosystem. 290 00:29:50,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Yes, that's great. So the the next part was you your your delegate, your delegation description 291 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:07,480 mentioned getting the power to thrive and how did you envision doing that within the 292 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,480 sandbox? 293 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,480 Dow? 294 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,480 Dow? 295 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,480 Dow. 296 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,480 Dow. 297 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,040 Dow. Yeah, I think there were two parts. The first part is the good ideas and good 298 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:23,440 products get a fund, which is most important. When they get a fund, they can realize it. 299 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,360 And second part I think is more about partners. 300 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,360 What was that word? 301 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,360 Partners, partners. 302 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,360 Partners, partners. Got it. Okay. 303 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:39,760 Yeah, partners, because you know, sandbox got a lot of partners there. And we also working 304 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:48,880 together with say Mochaverse and maybe 8coin. And the crowd style thing is also interesting. 305 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:55,280 The idea is okay, we want to help the good projects, good ideas to get funded. And we 306 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:03,880 also want to help them to get some more resources like partners, like some other some other 307 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:10,880 resources because the ideas in the SAP may be not only games, it may be some different 308 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,160 some other things like project maybe did like the color palette. All these projects need 309 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:23,560 more more partners to develop in more chances to to grow bigger to find their position in 310 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:30,640 the metaverse even outside the sandbox. Yeah, I think the two key points is got fund and 311 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,760 some resources outside there. 312 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,760 Okay. 313 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:40,920 Yeah, so so not just like trusted partners, but also like cross style partnerships. 314 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:47,120 Yeah, yeah, partners from outside ecosystem. And yeah, and I think sandbox out we're also 315 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:54,840 love to see that part because it bring bring traffic bring the attention from the outside. 316 00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:02,000 Yeah. Yeah. And what type of delegate do you want to be known as? Is there any specific 317 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:08,520 way that you when someone says old one is a delegate of blank? How would you like them 318 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,520 to fill that sentence in? 319 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:20,160 Oh, I don't know. That's interesting one. Maybe. Maybe just say about creators, something 320 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,840 like, yeah, about creators. Yeah. 321 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:33,440 The old one is a delegate about creators. And what sort of sips do you foresee that 322 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,560 you you don't really think you'll support? 323 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:46,240 Oh, I don't got an answer for this one. To be honest, I'm, I'm, I think myself is very 324 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:57,120 open minded. I'm open to see good ideas. And I'm open to all kinds of ideas. But I make 325 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,600 up different opinions when I see when I look into the details. So 326 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:09,520 Okay, yeah, that's fair. So right now you're just you're open minded and you're open all 327 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,000 kinds of SIP ideas. 328 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,240 Yeah, yeah. 329 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:23,080 And what sort of voter do you think fits best with your delegation style? I can probably 330 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,080 guess creators. 331 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:31,880 I don't know what type of voters. Yeah, creators. 332 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,880 Creators. 333 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:42,640 I think I'm kind of open like, yeah, I love to speak for the creators. So I see creators 334 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:49,160 but the situation may be different in Western and here as I mentioned, the creators, they 335 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:57,360 don't hold many assets. And that's why I want to vote for them. Yeah. And I would try my 336 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:07,240 best to get the delegation from the big land owners in China to just to help the creators. 337 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,580 And so while you you may want to speak primarily for the creators, do you also foresee people 338 00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:20,920 who are are like, Chinese landowners also would fit well within your your delegate, 339 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,680 your delegation style? 340 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,440 I think yes. Okay, because I can do the communication. 341 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:38,000 And how? What about non Chinese community, landowners or creators? 342 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:45,560 I'm pretty open because some people know little land from the very first beginning. And we 343 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:53,360 still hold the same idea or say same belief as we establish little land. So if anyone 344 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,080 believes in what we do, and yeah. 345 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,120 Okay, so if they if they agree, and they're doing the same principles as you will take 346 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,160 them no matter who. 347 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,160 Yeah, true, true. 348 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:15,360 Okay. And old one, how was the delegate process? What was it like for you? 349 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,360 What was the delegate process? 350 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,000 Like the process, like the application? Did you go through the interview? 351 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:29,200 Oh, I did an interview. And we talked some topics, like what we just discussed. 352 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,200 Gosh, okay. 353 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,280 And that is that then that is that was it. 354 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,280 And how did you get notified that you were a delegate? 355 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,280 By email. 356 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,280 By email. Okay. 357 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,280 Yeah. 358 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:49,960 And what are your thoughts on that the 2 million being voted gate 2 million voting power being 359 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,440 delegated to you? 360 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,880 Like from the official? 361 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:54,880 Yeah. 362 00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,640 I don't even know this before. I think I missed some something in the form I didn't even know 363 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:08,200 this before. But I think it's good because currently, if you have to gather the SIP pass, 364 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,360 you still need the voting power from the sandbox official. I think at the moment they will 365 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,240 I think later on they will they will delegate this voting power belongs to the team to these 366 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,520 delegators, right? 367 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,080 I actually don't know. I've been asking around how is that going to happen? And I don't think 368 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,080 we know yet. 369 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:33,680 Yeah, but I think for this 12 delegators with 2 million voting powers for each thing, and 370 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:41,400 it will be easier for the Dow to to just pass an SIP on its own, not like depending on the 371 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,200 voting power from the official. It's just more decentralized. 372 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,040 Was this the first like this interview here, the first you're hearing that you you have 373 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,440 2 million voting power that's been gifted to you? 374 00:36:53,440 --> 00:37:00,600 I heard it before. I heard it before. But after I got the notification. Yeah, but I 375 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,520 just heard from a friend not like official. 376 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,960 And now that you you know that you're getting 2 million extra voting power, is that going 377 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,640 to change or does do you see that changing the way you vote? 378 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:20,960 No, I don't think so. It doesn't change anything. Just because you have some power there and 379 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,840 but it won't change the principle. You're gonna. Yeah, it doesn't change your principles. 380 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:31,960 And that and also you've been involved in mocha scene, which has enormous voting power. 381 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,960 And so you're I think you're kind of used to seeing how applying that much voting power. 382 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:48,040 So yeah, it seems like you're very well experienced with that sort of thing. 383 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,840 Have you had to sign any additional agreements to become a delegate? 384 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,480 No, no. 385 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,480 Okay. 386 00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:04,480 Let's see when I think I think yes, it's not really signed. But before the application, 387 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,800 I think with the application form, I we did reach them agreement on that. 388 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,840 Oh, like the code of conduct? 389 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, something. 390 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:22,560 Okay, got it. No, that makes sense. Okay. Well, great old one. Is there anything that 391 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:30,600 you'd like to say to anyone thinking about delegating to you? Or just delegating in general? 392 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:37,320 Yeah, delegating to general. If you think we're on the time and if you think and if 393 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:44,640 you also share the same belief with little land, I will be the good choice. And yeah, 394 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:50,200 if you want to find like more communication between Chinese and Western, I will be the 395 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:57,360 good choice. And but I'm pretty open. I'm like just let people find the delegate best 396 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,440 fit back to them. I think everyone's great. A lot of very experienced delegates. They're 397 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:11,080 like more like every guy, they're very experienced people. So I trust in this group. Yeah, great. 398 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,880 Yeah. Well, that's all the questions I had all one. Did you have any for me or any other 399 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,960 topics you'd like to cover before we close? 400 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:28,040 Not really. But let's say it again, right? We really want to find a way out for all the 401 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:38,120 great creators. Maybe for the sandbox, we want to see more types of content, not maybe 402 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:45,640 not only games in the sandbox, maybe like Voxel style games on different platforms with 403 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:54,520 with the same like that's the Voxel culture something. Yeah, just less. Just less empowered 404 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,160 creators. That's it. 405 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:04,120 Power the creators. You and Seb agree, say almost word for word. 406 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:11,480 Okay. Hope I didn't get brainwashed by him. 407 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:20,280 Yeah, well, I mean, you Lulu land has definitely been a very creator focused creator centric 408 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:32,760 type thing like when when we when I when I played the love is. Oh, yeah. Love is forever. 409 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,880 Love is forever. Right. That was one of my first experiences I think I played was love 410 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:45,440 is forever trying to. And I remember thinking, who? How was this all created? Like was this? 411 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,480 It all seemed like magic to me when I didn't even know what game maker was and just running 412 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:55,640 around the train station and it was really, really cool, really interesting. And we've 413 00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:02,480 come a long way, I think, even though we have still so much more to go. We the Dow represents 414 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:09,100 a really interesting opportunity for our community for San Fam to grow the creators, the landowners 415 00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,560 and all the rest of the ecosystem. 416 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:19,400 Yes, true. I agree. So there's a few a couple spaces I wanted to make you aware of. I think 417 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,800 you've heard this last time, although I've improved it since we talked on Episode six. 418 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,880 So you know about the one on Discord, which the Dow discussion channel, you know about 419 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,600 the sandboxed out forums, you know about the Twitter hashtag San Fam sandboxed out and 420 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:39,160 sandbox game. You also know about sandbox, that Sandow podcast. You may or may not know 421 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:44,760 about the Sand Fam Cafe by Pickaxe Master held once a month. And the sandboxed out created 422 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:50,680 their own YouTube channel and they just finished their first episode, I think yesterday, first 423 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:58,600 podcast episode. So they went over the results of the survey, which I highly recommend, because 424 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:04,080 it is very honest, very, very honest about what people think about the Dow. And I really 425 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:10,760 appreciate that they were so willing to show those results so that we can all improve and 426 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,360 focus on things. And you'll see quite a number of things about creators in there as well. 427 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:22,400 Old one. And they just kind of go through the responses of that survey on the sandboxed 428 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:28,640 out podcast. And then the spaces, you already know about Mochaverse Hall, you know, G is 429 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:35,120 us and Mocha Chief hosting United Grand Halls on Mondays. Then there's Bowls on the Block 430 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:44,240 on Saturdays and Coffee with Captain, Monday through Fridays, and Whale Members, natively 431 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:49,600 digital on Tuesdays. And those are all different places that Sand Fam gathers, different creators 432 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,560 and landowners will gather and might be, if you ever have the time to visit, I'm sure 433 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,520 they would love to host you. 434 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:05,200 I will try to join more into this. All these great things. 435 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,720 Yeah, that's it. Let's see if there's anyone on that I can raid before we close. Let's 436 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:17,200 see if we can raid a creator. Are there any creators on we can find? That's always a good 437 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:29,880 one. So let's look. Oh, looks like it's just me. So I'm going to raid. I will raid. How 438 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:37,880 about a charity? Let's raid. Let's raid a charity and then we will close out. Okay, 439 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:43,720 so old one, thank you very much for your time. Thank you for coming on and telling us about 440 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:52,800 who you are, how you want to vote, and the importance of advocating for creators and 441 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,840 creating a healthy ecosystem. Thank you so much. 442 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:02,600 Thank you. Thank you, Lancer. Thank you for keeping this great podcast going on. And yeah, 443 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,600 let's work it out together. 444 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,600 Absolutely. All right, Sand Fam. See you. 445 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:14,600 Have a nice day.