Hello, everyone. Sandow podcast number 46. Today we are joined by another of one of the
12 delegates that was just announced not three, four days ago. You know him as Crypto Joe.
You might know him as MoFat Crypto Mentory. There are many different names that he goes
by and if you're looking on the dashboard, you're looking for MoFat, M-O-E-F-A-T and
he has a looks like a voxel kid with a pink background and a blue sweater. So welcome
Crypto Joe.
Hello.
Hello. Thank you, Lancer. It's Crypto Mo. M-O-E.
Crypto Mo. Oops, I put Joe and I was thinking of signing as Crypto Mo. Excuse me.
It's fine. It's fine.
Crypto Joe. I don't even know.
It is nice ring to it. Crypto Joe.
Crypto Mo or Crypto Mentory or MoFat. So as I said, the scope of the talk today is a meet
and greet with Crypto Mo. We'll be learning about him as one of the 12 delegates that
was just announced and what does it, what does Crypto Mo believe when it comes to voting
and how does Crypto Mo want to approach delegation?
Disclaimer.
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We, the disclaimer is that we do not represent the Sandbox game or the Sandbox style foundation.
We're not your financial or legal advisors. Nothing we say is to be taken as financial
or legal advice. When we say the word SIP, we mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal. When
we say the word DAO, we mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization. And when we say the
word SanFam, we're talking about the Sandbox community, those who participate in the people,
product, purpose of the Sandbox ecosystem. And as I covered in episode 31, the people,
everything from the gamers to the Sandbox team, the products, everything from the game
client to the market to the DAO, Voxit Game Maker, and the purpose would be the things
in the, in the white paper to include the many vision statements from Sebastian Bourget
or Arthur Madrid or Yatsu. All of that comes together into this giant thing we call the
ecosystem. And today we're focusing on one such element of the people sector, which are
DAO delegates.
And scoreboard has not moved. So the SIPs, the DAO admin team said they will return to
SIPs next week. And we're still at 2.3 million San spent of our 15.5 million San budget.
This all started May 28th, that medium article that launched the DAO. And then September
10th, the Sandbox DAO opened up the delegation applications. And November 13th is when the
DAO 12 of the DAO delegates were announced of which today we have crypto Joe Mo crypto
Mo crypto Mo. I don't really know where Joe's coming from right now. But crypto Mo is known
as MoFat. Welcome. And could you please give us a little bit about your background?
Yeah, my background. I'm I was born in Korea, in Korea, Busan, Korea. And actually, it was
just telling Lanza I grew up in the Philippines. So to my Filipino friends, my boo, hi. And
I came back to Korea as an adult and have been living in Korea since. And yeah, so I'm
this mixture of Korean, Filipino, and I was educated in an American international school.
So yeah, I'm very, very, very comfortable with the English language. So that's kind
of my cultural upbringing. I actually studied business and admin. And for my bachelor's
did my I studied theology for my master's. And yeah, and then I got into crypto. Hence,
you know, I started my YouTube first, I started out with some some crypto stuff, you know,
like fundamental analysis, I'm really into analytics. Not necessarily charts, but the
analytics of foundational aspects of tokenomics and, and just crypto as a whole as an industry.
So I really got into crypto in 2021, early 2021. And then naturally, my interest, lean
towards NFTs. And then the sandbox before that major meta hype, you know, in 2021 November,
right. So just before that, I'd gotten to the sandbox. And I wanted to buy lands, but
there was no information on YouTube or wherever. How to buy specifically for the Korean retail
investor to buy land, right. So so my friends started asking me, we're into crypto, how
do I buy land? So I got the information because I was doing some research and they're in English.
So I decided to post up a video on how to buy the sandbox land in Korean. And that's
where all the Korean crypto investors at the time were quite early. Most of most of the
sandbox land owners in the early stage, they entered the sandbox through my videos of how
to buy land, the sandbox land. So that's how I got my feet wet within the sandbox community.
And then after that, I networked with some creators, we started a builder studio, we're
called Gureum Studio. We're one of the official, official builder studios in the sandbox. And
I don't create as many videos as before, because I'm more involved into the content building
aspect and in the business side of the sandbox. But I'm still very active with communicating
with the Korean sand fam, right. Because a lot of the information that that gets released
first in English, and I try to communicate as much as I can in Korean, and just try to
get conversations going and add into the community, which naturally led me to someone in the sandbox
Korea staff actually nominated me to become a South Korean delegate for for for the Dow
sandbox Dow and I said yes and did the interview and here I am.
You know, that's like three questions. I don't know if you realize that all at the same time.
No, no, it's okay. So someone in the the sandbox Korean branch staff nominated you to be a
delegate and you went through the process. Okay.
Exactly. Exactly. He told me he just told me to why don't you apply? It'd be good to
have someone to present the Korean community who's also able to communicate in English,
you know? Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah. So I think that was the reason why he nominated.
Yeah. And then you have a background in breaking down tough concepts and exploring how to how
to do things to help other people. Like as you were speaking, I searched some of your
land videos. I don't speak Korean. However, yeah, I can tell that these are land videos
for sure. And it looks like you're explaining the process for how to click on it, how to
buy. Yeah, see what is the raffle. So yeah, yeah.
Because this was all before there was a sandbox Korea branch. Got it. Okay. So there were
no translations or anything like that. And there was information all over the place,
you know, like how to create a wallet, how to transfer sand, how to stake. So I was kind
of that go to guy within the Korean community. Got it. Yeah. I do. I do. I said that now
because the sandbox Korea does most of that now.
Gotcha. Yeah, we we all there's a chapter and then you close that chapter and another
one opens and now you're now you're a delegate.
Yes. So so I'm thinking maybe I could do what I've done with this the land videos with the
Dow. Yeah, because I feel like the Korean community they don't know much about what's
happening in the Dow. A lot of the conversations are in English, which is not bad. But at the
same time, there is definitely a cultural gap, a language barrier with it with the Korean
community. So hopefully, I'll try to mend that gap just a little bit.
I can definitely see how I pull it up your your video. It looks like you're going over
the medium article. And you are you're explaining the website. And then for the Dow. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. And then I see you opened up magic palette. So even though I don't fully understand all
the words I'm seeing, I can definitely tell that you are trying to explain and educate.
And so you're already doing it. It's just a matter of now you can do it in a delegate
capacity while shepherding the you know what, that's the question I'm going to keep going.
Awesome. Thank you for for giving me your background.
Yep. Sorry, that was a long answer. No, no, that's great. That's we are here to learn
about you. crypto mo with an M.
So crypto Mentory is my YouTube channel. It's like documenting my crypto journey. Yeah,
yeah, no, I get it. I totally get it. And then the good the YouTuber in the channel
is crypto mo. Yeah, crypto mo. And when what year would you say you became Sam Fam? It
says in your description since 2021 you've been a YouTuber. But when did you join sand
fam? Yeah, so I started looking into Sam took us in 2020. Wow, quite early. Yeah. Okay.
Man, I wrote another San Fam grandpa. Yeah, I'm a Korean og and man, I wrote the wave
from like, I don't even know what was it like? Like, like 10 cents or less. All the way till
$8, $9, right $8 and then all the way back down now. But I first got into the sandbox
because of its token. Definitely because of the Chris crypto aspect of it. And then I
started looking into the economy, the meta reverse. And of all the nfp projects out there,
I just picked one and it was like, this, this is, this is going to be the one right, the
one that's gonna actually last and have a sustainable model, right? You know, there
were so many projects going at the same at that time, but, and I think, I think I've
made the right choice. Of course, uh, the, the price action is a different story. Those
as many, many, many components that are, you know, uncontrollable, but in terms of the
sustainability, in terms of, um, just a metaverse ecosystem, I do think I did, I, I saw something
within the sandbox that differentiated itself from the rest of the project. So I would say
2020 end of 2020. And did you become a landowner straight away? I became a landowner in 2021,
early 2021. I first bought sound tokens on as, as an investment. Okay. Got it. I got
it. Got it. That would be 2020. I started getting to, I started buying land, a sand
tokens in 2020, probably end of 2020. And then 2021, I think March was when I first,
I bought my first land. And you have been a YouTuber since about the same time, March?
I think, I'm not sure if it's March. I think it's 2020 definitely, uh, first half of 2021.
Yeah. I'm not sure. I need to go back to my videos, but I think it was around that time,
March or April of your description says since 2021, it's okay. We're, we're close. We got
there. And would you say that, um, what was your motivation for accepting the nomination?
The Dow delegate nomination. Yes. Yes. Well, I thought, um, you know, I don't want to,
I don't want to brag, but I thought I was, um, a good fit to once again, represent the
Korean community. I think because of my, um, linguistic abilities in terms of being fluent,
being bilingual, um, with Korean and English and also trilingual having, yes. Um, even
trilingual, but, um, and also just being around for a while in the sandbox. I think there was
something that I could contribute to, um, specifically for the Korean San Fam, but also
for the, uh, entire San Fam community as well, because I can relay the voices of the Korean
community to the, to the entire San Fam community as well. Right. So, so vice versa. And I do
think the Korean community have a lot to add, especially, I think, um, some of the creations
by, uh, the Korean community is really great, a really, really great artists. Many of them always
win, not always, but many of them are always in the top, you know, 10 for the game dams. And, um,
so I do feel the Korean community has a lot to offer. As I know, I think Korea check, I need to
fact check this, but I think Korea is, uh, has the second highest land owners, um, in all of the
sandbox ecosystem. I'm not, I'm not, I need to fact check this, but, uh, if I remember correctly,
it was once the second highest. Um, so I do believe the Korean committee has a lot to add. And if, if
the Korean investors do have the second highest, most lands, then that means they have a lot of
voting power as well. Right. And if a lot of that voting power is gone to waste because they just,
they're just not, um, they're just not catching what's happening in the Dow, then I just thought
that's kind of like a missed opportunity there. Absolutely. What would you say, the side question,
what would you say, uh, are, are some of the concerns or, or things that the Korean community
really values? Profit. Profit. Okay. So similar to the Chinese delegation. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.
I think most of the Korean investors, I mean, I don't speak for all of them, but just from my,
but your observations. Yeah. Many are of course interested in getting a profit from their land
investments. Um, many are wanting, you know, a good ROI on their sand token investments as well. And
because of the recent, um, kind of, you know, the bubble, the metaverse bubble popping,
I think a lot of the investors are a little bit dismayed because if you've entered, if you've
entered at five, $6, you know, then, um, firsthand tokens and when it was like $10,000 or two or three
30 and four, four, you know, floor price for the lands, then, um, you still got a lot of, a lot,
a lot of time left to kind of recover. A lot of ground to cover. Yeah. Exactly. So, so I think
that is the main concern. Um, I would say most of the investors are in it to make a profit. Um,
but then there, there is, I think a minority who are actually in it for the community and for the
creation and the gameplay aspect of it. So, so I guess there's kind of like a two categories there.
One is for investment purposes, which is, I would say the majority. Um, and then there's like the,
the people who are actually in it for the community, for the gaming, um, for the, for the
potential of the metaverse. That's very similar to the way old one described the Chinese community.
I think he said there was a third category, but there was your, your landowners and, and many were,
were very interested in, in the profit motive, but then there were also like the builders. And then
there were, there was the third category escaping me, but they were very specialized and you didn't
really overlap too much. So I found that was fascinating to, to listen about. And so in the
Korean community, you kind of have your, your investors, whatever that may be. And then the,
the minority you'd say would be the, those in it for the community, the creation and the gameplay.
Yeah, definitely. Okay. Okay. That's fascinating. There's actually two official group chats in the
sandbox community in Korea. One is for the investors and one is for the gamers. So you're not
allowed to talk about, you're not allowed to talk about, uh, the price action in the community.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It don't be talking about how many cents the sandbox is while I'm trying to
complete the latest, uh, daily. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Well, I, well,
I guess there's a gamers as well. Maybe that's the third category, gamers, builders and investors.
Okay. Got it. Yeah. Then that that's very similar to what old one described as well.
So there, so there are the three group chats or there's still two,
there's still two, just the gaming and the investors. Yeah.
All right. So the, the next thing I had up was, uh, so we're, we're, before we're talking about
the Korean community, we were speaking about your motivation for accepting the nomination
news and you thought, uh, you were saying how you thought you were a good fit to represent the,
the Korean community. The, the, the next portion is when it comes to snapshot voting and yeah,
I couldn't find anything in your snapshot profile. Have you voted in, in a Dow before?
I have voted in a Dow before, not with, not, not with my, um, profile current profile though,
because the, the wallet that I use right now is Venly. It's not a MetaMask wallet. Got it. So
I have voted with, uh, another wallet that has my other assets in it,
but I've decided to, uh, use my Venly account because this is the account that I've used from
the beginning. Got it. Uh, since 2021 and, um, yeah. So I have not voted in a, in a, in a, in a,
so I have not voted with this particular wallet, but I have voted, uh, for the Dow,
the SIPs before, um, and the sandbox now. And just the sandbox now, or have you voted elsewhere?
No, I've not voted in, uh, other Dow communities before. And have you voted on, on all 15 SIPs?
No, I have not voted in all 15 SIPs. Um, I think I've voted three or four times
in my other MetaMask wallet. Yeah. I voted for, um, the palette. I voted for, I think the Philippines
Academy. Yeah. One with Mark. I'm going to be doing an update podcast with him pretty soon after
he does his current, his, his first batch that, that he's just, I'm looking so forward to that.
Yeah. That, that was a very, um, it sounded like a very interesting idea. And what was some
other ones that I've done? I think I've done, uh, I voted yes for most of them. Usually if I'm going
to vote, I'm usually going to vote. Yes. I'm not, I'm usually not, I'm too lazy to get out of my way
to vote. No. Usually if I'm going to vote, it's going to be yes. Um, but I mean, now as a Dow
delegate, I should, I should look at each SIP and, uh, hand in my vote for, for all the SIPs. Um,
because I feel like that's going to be, I mean, if 2 million DP is going to be delegated, right?
Then it's going to be a big chunk to meet the quorum. So, yeah, tell me about that. Does,
do you feel like the 2 million that was gifted to you changed the way your voting perspective is?
Oh, definitely, definitely. Because now you feel like it's going to make a difference. Um,
ex- especially if you feel like if you don't vote, there's a chance that the SIP isn't going to get
passed at all, just because if it doesn't meet the quorum, it doesn't matter if it's, uh, 60% or 70%,
right? And I think the sandbox Dow itself, um, should not be voting as much as possible because,
um, even though they do vote in order to raise a quorum, I think for it to be fully decentralized,
um, the community has to do the voting themselves, right? I mean, it doesn't look good if, if the Dow
is putting in the votes just to raise the quorum. I, it's understandable they have to do it now,
just because there's not enough traction, but at the same time, by giving the 2 million VP to the
delegates, I think that responsibility kind of is carried over to the delegates to make sure you
cast your vote in, because now it's going to make a difference, right? 2 million votes times 12 is
what 24 million votes. Um, so definitely, I think the 2 million votes, um, it's just a heavier
responsibility, I think to the delegates, because now if they're, if they don't vote and they don't
read the SIP, then in some sense, there's negligence, right? Yeah. So that, that is an
interesting perspective. The, I think you're the first one to, to name it outright is perhaps
negligence. Like the 2 million is, is a big chunk and by not voting, we risk falling back into not
enough quorum, whereas sandbox wallet, let's take a look. I, I've read the SIP, the SIP, the SIP,
I've recorded in my scoreboard and checkbook that we briefly went over, which one's the sandbox
wallet voted on. Looks like they voted of the 15 SIPs, they voted three times, uh, three, five times.
Okay. Three, three, uh, excuse me, two in the beginning. So four times total, two in the
beginning where they couldn't, when they couldn't resubmit the SIPs that they accidentally voted for
in the beginning. So those two, but then they voted for, uh, the sandbox ambassador and, uh,
the sandbox academy because they were in the same cohort and they wanted the sandbox ambassador
program to go through. So they voted for those two to ensure they pass quorum. But then my SIP
came right after it with the Medifatura, uh, uh, disability SIP and both of us failed to meet quorum,
so we didn't make it. Oh, I'm so sorry. That's okay. It's okay. It's, it's, it's, that's how,
how things go. And we weren't able to, to, to rally the community, but the sandbox wallet only
voted twice since the initial SIPs of the Dow and okay. So I think I did think they're trying to
restrain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good sign. I think that's, that's healthy for the community
and definitely by giving the 2 million, um, VP to the delegates, uh, that should kind of, um,
um, alleviate, you know, the, the, the need for the sandbox down to having to step in every time.
Yeah. That's, that's what I'm hoping. And where I've been asking each of the, each of the delegates,
like, what, what is your thought on that 2 million? Does it change anything for some? It's like, no,
I'd be voting. I vote the same way if I had one VP or 10 million VP. And some said, yeah, I feel,
I feel a heavier weight on my shoulders and yeah, for sure. I'm, yeah, I'm kind of like, uh, I, I,
I'm kind of like a guy who acts only when I'm pushed to the corner. But the stakes are higher.
Yeah. The stakes look higher now, but I'd be so interested to see how that plays out. Uh,
especially when you start voting, I do, do you still feel the way you feel right now about it?
Does, uh, do you, is there a point at which you grow desensitized to it and you're like,
no, we can chance it or, or like, how, how does that evolve? Because that's important to our
community. It's not just, uh, like we, we need to know, like, how does this culture emerge that way
we can, if we need to change something or, or just take into account the human factor. Um,
I'm very interested to see how it all works out. Went from one wallet to having 27 million to now
12 wallets having 24 million. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think, I think most of the delegates are going
to be definitely more active now. I mean, not just a 2 million VP, but having your, your, your name
or your username, your nickname, whatever up, uh, as a future delegate in itself, I think
it kind of adds that pressure, not, not like good pressure though. Right. It's kind of like an
electoral college system. That's right. You know, like, like what would happen if an electoral
college did cast their vote. Right. Um, so you, now you, you have a responsibility to, to vote for
the 2 million VP worth that has been given to you, but also kind of you've been given an official
title to rally the community, right. As opposed to before it's kind of like, Hey, let's do this.
And then you're not sure if it's going to catch on because like who made you, you know, you know,
the person to be pushing these initiatives, but, but with a, with a title of an official future
delegate. Now you kind of have that authority or especially in the Korea, especially, I don't know
what it is in this, in other countries, but especially within, um, East Asian culture, um,
title, having a title is very important. So I think that that will also help with not just
having the delegate vote, but also having the rest of the community follow that delegates
follow that delegates initiative as well. Does that make sense? Yep. No, that makes sense.
Having that authority really not only just it's motivating, but also it, it, it almost sounds like
you're saying it's, it acts like a source of gravity, start pulling in like participation and,
and cohesion and that that's cool. I'd say in the Western world, it's a little bit different.
Sometimes we view authority with suspicion, especially in the web three universe, it kind
of draws people who are a bit more skeptical about authority, but I'd say generally at least in the
Dow, it feels like on the Western side that this is something that we've been wanting for a while.
Even if we didn't, we couldn't put our finger on it five months ago to say the Dow, what was,
we didn't even know what the Dow was. I didn't even know what a Dow was five months ago. Yeah.
I had no idea. I had to Google search what is a Dow when it came out in May.
Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. I really had no idea. So I've been learning ever since. And part of this podcast
has been like a, like a journal, like a kind of like exploration of what is this thing that we're
up to and, and just watching how it's kind of evolved now into delegates and how you now have
2 million voting power. I think it's really cool. I think it's a great opportunity.
That's awesome. I don't know if the VPs have been given already, but I'll have to check.
I've been asking each delegate if they've received it yet. And so far, none of them have.
Okay. So I guess they're going through the process.
I'm going to assume you haven't either by the, by what you, by judging. I don't think I have.
Okay. Yeah. Got it. So let's delve into your delegate description. How you mentioned
in the beginning that you, you're dedicated to empowering the decentralized community to shape
its own future. Can you expand on that? How do you want to empower the community?
I think it's kind of an extension of what I mentioned before. Like I would rather the Dow
not intervene within the voting process. Right? So by having delegates to, to have them rather
the community to have higher voting, higher voting in general, then I think that empowers
the community to pave their own future. The less votes, the less interaction, the less power the
community has to shape its own future. Right? Cause then someone has to fill that void of power.
Someone has to fill that void of, of making decisions. And I'm sure the sandbox Dow council
members or, you know, their purpose is not to not, I'm sure it's not like they want to have a big
influence in the direction of the Dow, then, then there would be no purpose of having the Dow,
right? Right. Cause the Dow is an autonomous, a decentralized autonomous organization. But
if there is no voice or votes that's been casted by the community, then someone will have to direct
and lead, uh, whatever the sandbox is. Right. So in order, so the higher the votes, the more
autonomous the ecosystem is going to be. And the more autonomous it's going to be. Um, the more
autonomous it's going to be. Um, the more the community will have paved its own future. So,
I mean, as a delegate, if I'm able to contribute it, contribute to that cause, then I believe
in a sense I am empowering, um, the sandbox, the sand empowering the sand fam to be able to, um,
make its own decisions. Yeah.
And later on in the, in your delegate description, you said you wanted to,
uh, you wanted, you wanted the Dow to become a pioneering model for decentralized governance.
How did you want that pioneering model to, to look?
Actually, um, I've been, I've been interested in Dows for some time now, it's been years,
you know, um, yeah. So even in 2021, um, in the sandbox roadmap, I read through the whole
white paper of the sandbox. They had, you know, at one point we're going to be launching the Dow
that's been in the sandbox white paper from the beginning. And I mean, if, if you've been around
crypto or especially NFTs, NFT projects, uh, the Dow is always mentioned, right? I have yet to see,
I think, well, I've not seen all of them, but from the ones that I've seen, um, I've yet to see a
fully functioning govern, governing body that is, you know, autonomous, um, because it's kind of a
double edged sword, like to be, to be fully autonomous, but at the same time to be functional,
that that's kind of a difficult task to achieve, I think, because, um, to be effective, you need to
be, you need to have consistent strategy. You need to have consistent vision, but to be able to have
consistent vision while it's autonomously ran, run, right. That's a very difficult thing to achieve
because you have all these different parties and players that are, uh, chiming in. So how do you
have a consistent vision? And I think that's the reason why the sandbox foundation has been kind of
leading the sandbox community up until now, because until the community is able to form a governing
body that is autonomous and functional, you do need someone to kind of lead that way. And I think
that's what Sebastian has been doing. I think what the sandbox, that's what the sandbox foundation
has been doing. And if we're able to create a DAO that can actually be functional, but at the same
time, be autonomous, I'm not sure if we can achieve fully autonomous, uh, model. I don't even know if
that's possible, but, but at least close to an autonomous, uh, model, then I believe that can be
a model for many other platforms in the future. Um, because it's not, I don't think it's going to be
an easy task, uh, to have create something that's able to run on its own while ensuring the
sustainability and vision of the community, but still be autonomous at the same time.
So, but still be
autonomous and functioning.
I don't know if that was a clear answer.
Yeah. What styles have you, have you been observing since, uh, I think you said 2021?
Yeah, I've observed, uh, you know, BYC's, um, DAO model. I've observed, uh, yeah, cyber congs.
Um, I've observed, uh, some, there, there was a project that I was also involved in, involved in
to start up an NFT project. I was an advisory there. Uh, so I've kind of helped out with their,
um, attempted DAO model, which, which fell. Um, but yeah, I've been involved here and there.
And of course, uh, the sandbox just, just not necessarily only the DAO, but if you, if you look
at the sandbox tokenomics of how the tokens are distributed and allocated from the beginning, um,
that in itself, I believe has kind of like a, uh, decentralized and autonomous aspect to it.
Uh, like the tokens going to the creators and coming back in. And then, uh, some are, you know,
delegated to, to landowners kind of justice, uh, ecosystem where, where it's trying to maintain
its function, like its functionality, but also trying to be autonomous at the same time. Uh,
so yeah, um, those are just some, some of the ecosystems that I've been keeping an eye on.
Yeah. B B A Y C I'm, I'm also involved in the A coin down right now. I'm currently a co-author
for, uh, AIP five, five, three. That's about to go up to vote. And, oh, wow. It's about a little
bit more transparency and some, they asked me a few weeks ago, uh, the other two co-authors for,
they asked me to, to help them because of the SIPs I wrote here in sandbox DAO, to, to do that
because they are, I think they're encountering some of those challenges that you were speaking
to, where it's really difficult to find that balance between autonomy and functioning, call
it functioning. So they're, they're encountering their own bit of, um, one, one faction wants to
evolve into the next form of decentralized, uh, DAOs. Another faction wants, is, is too skeptical
of losing the autonomy to get there. And so they're in this, they're kind of in this, this
debate and dialogue right now to figure out which way to go. I'm in the middle of it, just like,
writing the AIP and it's been so interesting learning how they do things. Cause I have not
been involved in the A coin DAO until recently, really. Okay. So are you, are you, are you kind
of like a freelance DAO guy or are you? Not really. I consider myself a sandbox DAO guy.
Uh, I'm, I am a sandbox, like the sandbox is where I want to be. When I did the episode on
the ecosystem where I talked about the people, the products and the purpose, and I just sat down
trying to figure out what, how do I describe the ecosystem? Cause I've been on, I think maybe three
or four interviews, different podcasts. Okay. And I sound like a walking advertisement for sandbox
sometimes about all those. And, and then I, and one day someone asked like, what, what does the
ecosystem look like? I'm like, you know what? I've never really spelled that out for just myself.
So I did episode 31 and now I feel like I can talk about an ecosystem. And then when I sat down
to do that, Oh my gosh, it's just like layer after layer, after layer. Some of the main reasons that
you mentioned earlier as to why you chose and narrowed down to the sandbox. I felt the same way
when I was looking at Decentraland and the sandbox, the depths, the depths, which the sandbox
really goes. This is my project. It's, and then the DAO is, I've got like a business background.
So the DAO to me is like, Oh wow. Gaming, business, community and leadership. I love it. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So I went on a little bit of tangent there, but I just, I like, I like, I like learning
from the other DAOs as well. Like Mocha DAO and, and Port API, 8-coin DAO, Squiggle DAO, WellFam
just launched there as well. Well DAO. And so all these different DAOs that I'm working on,
so all these different DAOs that I'm looking at and at the same thing you are, like how do we
strike a balance? What does that look like? Yeah. I think, I think it's got the, this DAO model is
going to have a huge impact to, especially the, the next gen, you know, the gen alpha,
gen Z of how they, how to navigate communities and governing bodies when they're going to be
spending so much time online. I mean, they already are right. Then when, when value is captured,
with the time and effort that they're spending online, like, how do you, how do you govern all
of that? Right. And so I think the, the DAO model is definitely going to have a huge impact,
not just in the crypto space or web three space, but overall. So I'm excited to,
to see how that plays out in the sandbox first as a model. And then hopefully that can be, I guess,
like, like a good example for the many other projects that are going to come to the surface
in the future. Yeah. Like a, like a template. Cause like I just had earlier today, I had on,
I did a podcast with Bankless DAO now called Black Flag DAO. They are, they have a situation
almost similar to ours where Bankless DAO is a, is a company. It's a very well known,
Bankless Media, it's very well known brand. And then Bankless DAO. I received,
I received, I received their newsletters. Yeah. Okay. Cool. So yeah. Yeah. So in Bankless DAO
went through, they, they submitted an arbitration proposal and there was like a Twitter mob that
came after them and it was just the mob. It wasn't really like there was anything wrong
that they did, but a Twitter mob came after them. But because it was associated with the Bankless
brand, they went after the owners of the Bankless Media. And that turned into this weird,
what happened after that was that the Bankless Media distanced itself from the DAO.
And now you're stuck with the dilemma. What does the DAO do when the brand has withdrawn from them?
And so what they had to do, they had to get together as a DAO community and decide,
do we want to keep the branding of Bankless? Do we want to go our own way? What problems will
occur in each direction? So I just got off a podcast a couple hours ago, interviewing the
transition council for, to the Black Flag DAO is what they're going to call it now. And all of the
different things you have to think of when you're, when you're separating yourself from a brand.
And that, and the reason why I had them on is because I thought back to Sandbox, Sandbox DAO,
Sandbox Game Company. Like there's a shared company, a shared brand identity there,
a little bit different in that the company has a little bit more of a say for Sandbox Foundation.
But still, it's a very similar arrangement. And so I wanted to, I had them on to kind of
tell me their perspective and learn from lessons learned, something that we could look out for.
And one of the main things they said was, make sure you have communication with your other,
your sister brand, so that you each know each other's roles and limitations. Because they did
not have that. And that's why they're going through such turmoil and pain and suffering to,
to go their own way. It was, it was a no-win situation for everyone. The Twitter mob came out
of nowhere. And then it put everyone in a bad position. But that was really interesting to me
to see how do you, how do you face that? I hope Sandbox never does have to, but if we do,
we kind of have a model for how do we do it, do it well. Yeah. Yeah. I think the Sandbox,
the Sandbox has positioned itself quite clearly from the beginning that it's a separate,
the DAO is a separate entity from the Sandbox, you know, the foundation itself. So yeah.
Also in your description, you mentioned envisioning a few, what the future would
be for the Sandbox communities. How do you see the Sandbox communities evolving? What,
what did you envision there? Well, right now, you know, most of those that are involved in the
Sandbox, I think are creators and builders. And of course there's investors and of course there's
gamers as well. But if everything goes right and web three is, you know, adopted, adapted by the
masses more and more so, and there's more gamers coming into the Sandbox. I think the gamers are
going to have a bigger voice and bigger role within the ecosystem. I think at this point,
many of the gamers are not necessarily interested within the community or, or voicing their
concerns. Like I doubt how many gamers would actually know what the DAO is, you know, what
the Sandbox DAO is or what the vision of the Sandbox is in the long run. So as more and more
power or I would say more and more room for the gamers to raise their concern becomes bigger in
the future. Yeah, I think, I think there's going to be, there needs to be people and players that,
that have to educate them, provide them with content and show them that, you know, the Sandbox
is a gaming platform, but at the same time, it's more than that, right? You can actually
contribute in the governing process through the DAO. You can actually have social aspects to it by
by working with other people and things like that. So I mean, when I say, you know,
things like that. So I mean, when I say envisioning the future, I'm, I'm speaking in terms of
the potential of the Sandbox because I don't think we've even scratched the surface. Yeah.
I'm with you on that. The potential. Yeah. So I mean, this is what the Sandbox is now is definitely
not the end state of the ecosystem. I think we're, we're maybe, maybe 1%, right? Really? 1% huh?
Okay. I would think so. I mean, I respect that. I think I can understand in terms of, in terms of
the gaming, the, the gaming, the gamers coming in, because, you know, I, okay. Yeah. I, the creators,
the Sandbox is an amazing platform for, for the creators. Um, you know, I'm a builder studio. I
talk to the creators all the time. They love the process of making games, but for the gamers,
many are actually, um, feel like it's still not up to par yet in terms of, uh, with other gaming
platforms. Right. That's fair. So, so when, when, when the gamers actually start pouring in because
of the actual gaming aspect to, and when they, when the accessibility of the web three, um, gets
better, I think we're still at, you know, we're still scratching the surface. Um,
you know, I see, I see the potential for the Sandbox could be, you know, hundreds of millions
of gamers, you know, for, for MA, MAU monthly active users. And if it's not the, the alpha season
four, um, to be honest, you know, at this point, point, the MAU is still quite low. People aren't
playing the games just for the sake of the games yet, you know. Um, yeah. So that's why I say,
when I envision the future, I see huge potential much more than where it is now.
And, and when you, when voters, potential delegaties, delegators,
think of you, crypto Mo, what type of delegate do you want to be known as?
Um, I want to be known as a supportive delegate for sure. You know, I don't, I'm someone who kind
of sees a big picture. So, um, if, if the initiative is good for the committee as a whole,
right. It might get the sips might not be perfect. Um, but if, if, if it meets a criteria of in the
long run, it's good for the whole, even though in the short run, it's not good for the whole,
even though in the short run, it, it, it incentivize a certain group of the members of the community.
Then like, I'm up for it. I want to be a supportive delegate, not necessarily. I think being critical
is important, but sometimes, uh, I think people get critical just to be critical for the sake of
being critical. So I want to be supportive. I want to foster a, a vibe where people are encouraged
to write sips, right? Where, where they feel like there is a high chance if I, if my intentions are
good and if my intentions are to improve, you know, the SanFam community as a whole, then like
you should have no problem. Uh, unless it's something illegal or, you know, it's anything
that's kind of shady. Other than that, I don't know, be a supportive, uh, delegate and also
kind of, uh, a delegate who acts as a bridge between different cultures. I think I've met,
I think like that cultural aspect for me is big for me because I come from, I've, I've come in and
out of different cultures, um, quite a lot. So kind of bridging maybe the Asian, Asian side,
specifically Korean side to the maybe more non-Asian, Western or European side.
I want to be a delegate that kind of bridges that cultural gap.
What sort of sips do you not support?
Um, I don't want to support sips that are political in nature. When I say political, um,
so, so how you define political might be different from different people, but if a certain sip
only represents one view, you know, of a community, whether that be for religious purposes or for
political purposes, right. Um, then I, I wouldn't want to support a sip. Um, not, not necessarily
because that sip won't be good or it won't be a good idea, but if it's written from the perspective
if it's written from the perspective of someone who has a fundamentally different perspective from
other people, and it only represents that one aspect, then, um, I don't think I would vote for
that sip. Does that make sense? Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're the first
person. Yeah. You're the first one to articulate that specific point of view on that. Okay. Oh,
great. Great. Yeah. I've always thought that, you know, with, with some experiences, some things that
the sandbox foundation has pushed for, you know, cause I mean, I have personal convictions, I have
personal, um, uh, stances on certain things. So sometimes I'm like, ah, you know, some things
that the sandbox pushes for might not be representative of all the people that are involved.
And that's a challenge. It's a challenge to, to represent everyone, but at the same time,
if it's only representing a certain body of the community members, and if it's a sip that pushes
for that, then I think that's not fair. Got it. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. And what would you say
is the type of SanFam voter that most closely fits your delegation style?
Uh, Koreans, definitely Korean SanFam members know me. Um, they know me. They, um, they all
congratulated me when they found out I was a first South Korean delegate. Um, obviously the culture
and the language has most to do with it. So, and also maybe those who, um, I would say maybe more
of the, the, the Asian community, not necessarily only Koreans, but, um, I don't know, maybe.
I mean, maybe the Filipinos. Yeah. Maybe the, the Filipino sandbox community will, will welcome me
with open arms. I don't know. I think so. I think they'd be fine. Yeah. Let's talk to Mark.
What I mean? Yeah. From the sandbox Academy. Yeah. I haven't talked to him, but yeah, I would love to,
love to. Yeah. He's looking to expand the sandbox Academy and to other countries. And so
oh wow. The Philippines is where he lives is to him was, is the test case. And I think Roxy Miguel
from Ecuador expressed an interest in, in maybe helping expand it into Ecuador, but I'm sure that
he would love to discuss expanding into other countries as well. So that's not only representative
of only one voice, which was part of the criticism, uh, that, that was levied at the sandbox Academy,
which is why is it only in the Philippines? Well, I only, I only live in the Philippines and that's
all I can do. And yeah, but I think he's interested in expanding it and he's been doing it for a while
on his own dime. So I'm happy to see him doing it. Wow. Wow. With the, that's awesome. Yeah, it is
awesome. And let's, the last thing was had, have you had to sign any additional agreements other
than the code of conduct when you interviewed? Um, no, I think that's the only thing that I signed
when joining the code of conduct, uh, making sure you're not voting for a SIP that's written by
someone, you know, close to you or where I would be getting, uh, I did a podcast episode on the new,
the delegation rules and oh my gosh, those conflict of interest rules are very broad.
Very, yeah. How do you, how do you like, like, for example, if a member of the Korean sandbox
committee, right to sip, like we, we pretty much all know each other here in correct or sandbox
company. Right. So, so I mean, so how do you define having a relationship or, you know, it's,
it's kind of, it's kind of in the gray area. So I think that's one, one thing that I think the
Dow needs to, the council needs to clarify. I sent them, I had that question when I was reading the,
the code of conduct, I sent that question to them and also they, they've articulated like in the past,
uh, the first sandbox Dow podcast that Kunta just posted the other week, they did, they did allude
to, this is an iterative process. We know it's not the final state. We're trying to improve it and
figure it out and now like, all right, makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For example, like now I,
I know you, Lander, right? Like, so now if you write a sip, am I not allowed to vote? You know
I'm saying it's right. Right. That's, that's interesting. It's an interesting thing. Yeah.
I would, uh, I would, I would hate for that to be the thing because I've almost interviewed all 12
of you and so if that was a conflict of interest, then my sandbox does it has no chance. Yeah. So
I'm sure that wasn't the intent. I'm sure that wasn't the intent. Um, so I'm sure, I'm sure they'll
clarify what they mean. Yeah. Yeah. And how, how were you notified that you were delegate?
Um, through the sandbox Dow, uh, email inter, platform interface. Oh, like the direct messages?
Yeah. Yeah. The, the DMs. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Cool. And that, that's, that's linked to my,
my, my personal email. So got it. Yeah. I think Fawn Fawn was the one who interviewed me. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. She's awesome. I love Fawn. And so we, we just went through all of the,
all the questions and as we were going through it, I had a thought that would you like for me,
would it be valuable to you for me to repeat some of the questions and then you answer in Korean?
Totally up to you. Um, oh, on the show right now, I think, I think it's okay because I'm probably
going to, I'm either going to take this, uh, after you upload it to your YouTube channel, uh,
I'm going to ask, I'm probably going to ask you, but if it would be okay to maybe add subtitles
or you may absolutely do so. Yeah. Yeah. Do something to localize the content. So you're
probably going to go right ahead with that. All right. That's fine. Thank you so much. Then
absolutely. Absolutely. We have, I didn't see any community questions that I haven't already
answered. So we have went through all the questions. Thank you for giving me a little bit of insight
into the voice of the Korean community. I was wondering about that and yeah, it's, I think
like the Westerners, I'll just say, I don't speak for all the Westerners, but the sense I get is that
we want to communicate, but sort of using Google translator, we don't know how. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And so what I was kind of tossing around back and forth with some of, uh, like, like Sebga
who, and the hidden walls, I think they recommended that we do like a panel. Um, and then I was talking
with old one that maybe, maybe I can just do a panel with, uh, with, with Chinese speaking
community and then a Korean speaking community. And I don't even have to say much. I mean, I won't,
I won't understand all most of it, but that's okay because it won't be about me. Maybe, maybe you
could, I can just stream it while you moderate and then we can make that content available.
Like, however, um, but it had, it occurred to me that I'd really like to try and bridge as well,
um, do, do my part because we're one San Fam and I feel like I want to connect with
Korean speakers and Chinese speakers and Filipinos and South Americans and everyone in Europe, like
there, but I don't know how. And I've been thinking about that a lot lately.
Yeah, that would be, that would be great to, to have like, uh, the other, the other day, I think
when was it? Wednesday? Yeah. Wednesday, two days ago, we had a, uh, alpha season for AMA with
Sebastian and I translated, I interpreted the, the, the, the VMA. So it could be something similar
to that. You know, maybe you could have questions and then I could interpret, um,
and have my own questions as well. So yeah, definitely. I think that would be cool.
If we exchange questions. Yeah.
That would be neat. Like you ask the community, what do y'all want to ask us? And then I asked
Mike, the Western community, what do you want to ask them?
Yeah. And then we can, um, consolidate the questions and then, um, do a stream or something.
Yeah, that sounds cool. That would be cool. I think that, I think we're onto something now.
Yeah. Crypto Mo, thank you for your time. Thank you for the opportunity. And I've been
thinking about for the past five minutes.
Thank you. Thank you. Very good. Thank you. Thank you. And, um, I've always done, I've done doing
this for the, the past number of delegates. You, so there's some spaces that I wanted to,
to make you aware of. You already know Discord, you know, the Sandbox Style forums, you know,
Twitter and there's YouTube, which is Sandbox Style YouTube, mine and then Sandfam Cafe.
But there are Twitter spaces where Sandfam gathers during the week that, that could,
uh, that may or may not benefit from, uh, you introduce yourself as a delegate, a delegate.
So there's Mocha verse hall on Mondays. Okay. Uh, and they are not just Mocha, but they're,
they're also pretty heavy into the Sandbox Style and some eight coin. There's Bulls on the Block
on Saturdays. They are big time eight coin Dow, but they're also, uh, they hold an estate on the
Sandbox. So they're a Sandbox group. And then there's Monday through Friday Coffee with Captain,
which is, which is primarily the eight coin Dow, but they do talk about the Sandbox from time to
time. And like you mentioned, kind of the authority thing, I think the, the prestige of, of
the delegates rushing them, they, that they would open up a bit more to that as well. And they are
very well syndicated. There are hundreds of people who watch that show. And then there's,
then there's Well Members, who I think is one of the largest landowners in, in the Sandbox.
They just launched their Well Dow and I have a WIP for them to vote on every sip, uh, whereas
before they haven't been. And I think it would really, it would really do well for, uh, a delegate
to, to make an appearance. Um, they're, they're not all like whale people. Um, some of them are
also seeking a delegate such as yourself, just something to keep in mind. Um, if you ever had
the time to, they, they do gather, I've seen in those four places so far, uh, in, in some numbers,
but just wanted to share. We're at the end. Was there anything you guys have done that
was there anything you'd like to share or any other, um, parting words?
Um, I think this is good. You know, I mean, text is good and writing on the form is good,
but I think just connecting on a, just like a personal video, um, more interactive, um, level,
I think really it strengthens the connection for sure. So thank you for inviting me. Um, yeah,
definitely. I would be interested in the future if there's other spaces where, um, I can go and
contribute to conversations and even, even, even talk to other Dow delegates, maybe in your platform
and, um, get to know them and discuss about various topics for the wellbeing of, of, uh,
the sandbox style. So yeah, this is my first time, um, uh, having a discussion about the sandbox
down in any platform. So this has been great. And I'm look, yeah, I feel honored. No, it's been
really good because I think a lot of people, um, just, they have a lot of good ideas and thoughts.
It's just not enough space to come together and have these dialogues though. It can be very good.
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time. And this is Crypto Mo,
otherwise known as MoFat on the delegation. He is very interested. Uh, if you're Korean speaking
or Filipino speaking or Tagalog, then please consider, uh, Crypto Mo as your delegate as, uh,
looking to empower the community to shape its own future and to, to become a pioneering model
for decentralized governance. Thank you all have a great night. Awesome. Thank you.