1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,900 Hello, everyone. Sandow podcast number 46. Today we are joined by another of one of the 2 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:19,100 12 delegates that was just announced not three, four days ago. You know him as Crypto Joe. 3 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:24,700 You might know him as MoFat Crypto Mentory. There are many different names that he goes 4 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:31,700 by and if you're looking on the dashboard, you're looking for MoFat, M-O-E-F-A-T and 5 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:42,520 he has a looks like a voxel kid with a pink background and a blue sweater. So welcome 6 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,200 Crypto Joe. 7 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,200 Hello. 8 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,800 Hello. Thank you, Lancer. It's Crypto Mo. M-O-E. 9 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:57,480 Crypto Mo. Oops, I put Joe and I was thinking of signing as Crypto Mo. Excuse me. 10 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,800 It's fine. It's fine. 11 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,800 Crypto Joe. I don't even know. 12 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,800 It is nice ring to it. Crypto Joe. 13 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:14,060 Crypto Mo or Crypto Mentory or MoFat. So as I said, the scope of the talk today is a meet 14 00:01:14,060 --> 00:01:19,940 and greet with Crypto Mo. We'll be learning about him as one of the 12 delegates that 15 00:01:19,940 --> 00:01:27,200 was just announced and what does it, what does Crypto Mo believe when it comes to voting 16 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,000 and how does Crypto Mo want to approach delegation? 17 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,560 Disclaimer. 18 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,960 Go ahead. 19 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,440 Yeah, go ahead. 20 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:42,920 We, the disclaimer is that we do not represent the Sandbox game or the Sandbox style foundation. 21 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,120 We're not your financial or legal advisors. Nothing we say is to be taken as financial 22 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:53,200 or legal advice. When we say the word SIP, we mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal. When 23 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,960 we say the word DAO, we mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization. And when we say the 24 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,840 word SanFam, we're talking about the Sandbox community, those who participate in the people, 25 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:11,600 product, purpose of the Sandbox ecosystem. And as I covered in episode 31, the people, 26 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,040 everything from the gamers to the Sandbox team, the products, everything from the game 27 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,920 client to the market to the DAO, Voxit Game Maker, and the purpose would be the things 28 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:25,600 in the, in the white paper to include the many vision statements from Sebastian Bourget 29 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:32,000 or Arthur Madrid or Yatsu. All of that comes together into this giant thing we call the 30 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,380 ecosystem. And today we're focusing on one such element of the people sector, which are 31 00:02:37,380 --> 00:02:40,040 DAO delegates. 32 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,720 And scoreboard has not moved. So the SIPs, the DAO admin team said they will return to 33 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:55,660 SIPs next week. And we're still at 2.3 million San spent of our 15.5 million San budget. 34 00:02:55,660 --> 00:03:01,600 This all started May 28th, that medium article that launched the DAO. And then September 35 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:07,440 10th, the Sandbox DAO opened up the delegation applications. And November 13th is when the 36 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:15,320 DAO 12 of the DAO delegates were announced of which today we have crypto Joe Mo crypto 37 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:23,760 Mo crypto Mo. I don't really know where Joe's coming from right now. But crypto Mo is known 38 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:30,560 as MoFat. Welcome. And could you please give us a little bit about your background? 39 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:40,360 Yeah, my background. I'm I was born in Korea, in Korea, Busan, Korea. And actually, it was 40 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:47,280 just telling Lanza I grew up in the Philippines. So to my Filipino friends, my boo, hi. And 41 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:54,560 I came back to Korea as an adult and have been living in Korea since. And yeah, so I'm 42 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:02,960 this mixture of Korean, Filipino, and I was educated in an American international school. 43 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:10,560 So yeah, I'm very, very, very comfortable with the English language. So that's kind 44 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:18,520 of my cultural upbringing. I actually studied business and admin. And for my bachelor's 45 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:27,480 did my I studied theology for my master's. And yeah, and then I got into crypto. Hence, 46 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:32,600 you know, I started my YouTube first, I started out with some some crypto stuff, you know, 47 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:42,080 like fundamental analysis, I'm really into analytics. Not necessarily charts, but the 48 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:47,760 analytics of foundational aspects of tokenomics and, and just crypto as a whole as an industry. 49 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:55,760 So I really got into crypto in 2021, early 2021. And then naturally, my interest, lean 50 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:04,600 towards NFTs. And then the sandbox before that major meta hype, you know, in 2021 November, 51 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:10,040 right. So just before that, I'd gotten to the sandbox. And I wanted to buy lands, but 52 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:21,420 there was no information on YouTube or wherever. How to buy specifically for the Korean retail 53 00:05:21,420 --> 00:05:26,000 investor to buy land, right. So so my friends started asking me, we're into crypto, how 54 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,320 do I buy land? So I got the information because I was doing some research and they're in English. 55 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:36,640 So I decided to post up a video on how to buy the sandbox land in Korean. And that's 56 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:42,760 where all the Korean crypto investors at the time were quite early. Most of most of the 57 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:50,320 sandbox land owners in the early stage, they entered the sandbox through my videos of how 58 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:56,480 to buy land, the sandbox land. So that's how I got my feet wet within the sandbox community. 59 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:02,400 And then after that, I networked with some creators, we started a builder studio, we're 60 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:10,760 called Gureum Studio. We're one of the official, official builder studios in the sandbox. And 61 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:16,120 I don't create as many videos as before, because I'm more involved into the content building 62 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:23,320 aspect and in the business side of the sandbox. But I'm still very active with communicating 63 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,520 with the Korean sand fam, right. Because a lot of the information that that gets released 64 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:35,000 first in English, and I try to communicate as much as I can in Korean, and just try to 65 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:41,960 get conversations going and add into the community, which naturally led me to someone in the sandbox 66 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:51,600 Korea staff actually nominated me to become a South Korean delegate for for for the Dow 67 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:58,960 sandbox Dow and I said yes and did the interview and here I am. 68 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,560 You know, that's like three questions. I don't know if you realize that all at the same time. 69 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:11,920 No, no, it's okay. So someone in the the sandbox Korean branch staff nominated you to be a 70 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,320 delegate and you went through the process. Okay. 71 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:21,240 Exactly. Exactly. He told me he just told me to why don't you apply? It'd be good to 72 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:27,800 have someone to present the Korean community who's also able to communicate in English, 73 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:28,800 you know? Yeah, absolutely. 74 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,400 Yeah, yeah. So I think that was the reason why he nominated. 75 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:38,160 Yeah. And then you have a background in breaking down tough concepts and exploring how to how 76 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,080 to do things to help other people. Like as you were speaking, I searched some of your 77 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:48,760 land videos. I don't speak Korean. However, yeah, I can tell that these are land videos 78 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,480 for sure. And it looks like you're explaining the process for how to click on it, how to 79 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:59,520 buy. Yeah, see what is the raffle. So yeah, yeah. 80 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:05,000 Because this was all before there was a sandbox Korea branch. Got it. Okay. So there were 81 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,040 no translations or anything like that. And there was information all over the place, 82 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:15,680 you know, like how to create a wallet, how to transfer sand, how to stake. So I was kind 83 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:22,440 of that go to guy within the Korean community. Got it. Yeah. I do. I do. I said that now 84 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,360 because the sandbox Korea does most of that now. 85 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:33,200 Gotcha. Yeah, we we all there's a chapter and then you close that chapter and another 86 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,160 one opens and now you're now you're a delegate. 87 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:44,080 Yes. So so I'm thinking maybe I could do what I've done with this the land videos with the 88 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,120 Dow. Yeah, because I feel like the Korean community they don't know much about what's 89 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:54,280 happening in the Dow. A lot of the conversations are in English, which is not bad. But at the 90 00:08:54,280 --> 00:09:03,320 same time, there is definitely a cultural gap, a language barrier with it with the Korean 91 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,240 community. So hopefully, I'll try to mend that gap just a little bit. 92 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:13,360 I can definitely see how I pull it up your your video. It looks like you're going over 93 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:21,120 the medium article. And you are you're explaining the website. And then for the Dow. Yeah, yeah, 94 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:27,240 yeah. And then I see you opened up magic palette. So even though I don't fully understand all 95 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:33,720 the words I'm seeing, I can definitely tell that you are trying to explain and educate. 96 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:39,800 And so you're already doing it. It's just a matter of now you can do it in a delegate 97 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:45,360 capacity while shepherding the you know what, that's the question I'm going to keep going. 98 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,440 Awesome. Thank you for for giving me your background. 99 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,320 Yep. Sorry, that was a long answer. No, no, that's great. That's we are here to learn 100 00:09:53,320 --> 00:10:00,280 about you. crypto mo with an M. 101 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,080 So crypto Mentory is my YouTube channel. It's like documenting my crypto journey. Yeah, 102 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:10,880 yeah, no, I get it. I totally get it. And then the good the YouTuber in the channel 103 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:19,720 is crypto mo. Yeah, crypto mo. And when what year would you say you became Sam Fam? It 104 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,000 says in your description since 2021 you've been a YouTuber. But when did you join sand 105 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:34,000 fam? Yeah, so I started looking into Sam took us in 2020. Wow, quite early. Yeah. Okay. 106 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:43,880 Man, I wrote another San Fam grandpa. Yeah, I'm a Korean og and man, I wrote the wave 107 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:54,560 from like, I don't even know what was it like? Like, like 10 cents or less. All the way till 108 00:10:54,560 --> 00:11:02,720 $8, $9, right $8 and then all the way back down now. But I first got into the sandbox 109 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:09,760 because of its token. Definitely because of the Chris crypto aspect of it. And then I 110 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:20,120 started looking into the economy, the meta reverse. And of all the nfp projects out there, 111 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,320 I just picked one and it was like, this, this is, this is going to be the one right, the 112 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,280 one that's gonna actually last and have a sustainable model, right? You know, there 113 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,760 were so many projects going at the same at that time, but, and I think, I think I've 114 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,320 made the right choice. Of course, uh, the, the price action is a different story. Those 115 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:45,320 as many, many, many components that are, you know, uncontrollable, but in terms of the 116 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:53,000 sustainability, in terms of, um, just a metaverse ecosystem, I do think I did, I, I saw something 117 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,520 within the sandbox that differentiated itself from the rest of the project. So I would say 118 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:06,000 2020 end of 2020. And did you become a landowner straight away? I became a landowner in 2021, 119 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:12,600 early 2021. I first bought sound tokens on as, as an investment. Okay. Got it. I got 120 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:18,720 it. Got it. That would be 2020. I started getting to, I started buying land, a sand 121 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:27,400 tokens in 2020, probably end of 2020. And then 2021, I think March was when I first, 122 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:37,560 I bought my first land. And you have been a YouTuber since about the same time, March? 123 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:43,880 I think, I'm not sure if it's March. I think it's 2020 definitely, uh, first half of 2021. 124 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,800 Yeah. I'm not sure. I need to go back to my videos, but I think it was around that time, 125 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:54,680 March or April of your description says since 2021, it's okay. We're, we're close. We got 126 00:12:54,680 --> 00:13:04,120 there. And would you say that, um, what was your motivation for accepting the nomination? 127 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:11,880 The Dow delegate nomination. Yes. Yes. Well, I thought, um, you know, I don't want to, 128 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:19,560 I don't want to brag, but I thought I was, um, a good fit to once again, represent the 129 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:26,600 Korean community. I think because of my, um, linguistic abilities in terms of being fluent, 130 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:34,360 being bilingual, um, with Korean and English and also trilingual having, yes. Um, even 131 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:43,160 trilingual, but, um, and also just being around for a while in the sandbox. I think there was 132 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:51,640 something that I could contribute to, um, specifically for the Korean San Fam, but also 133 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:58,120 for the, uh, entire San Fam community as well, because I can relay the voices of the Korean 134 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:04,920 community to the, to the entire San Fam community as well. Right. So, so vice versa. And I do 135 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:11,000 think the Korean community have a lot to add, especially, I think, um, some of the creations 136 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:17,160 by, uh, the Korean community is really great, a really, really great artists. Many of them always 137 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:22,760 win, not always, but many of them are always in the top, you know, 10 for the game dams. And, um, 138 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:29,720 so I do feel the Korean community has a lot to offer. As I know, I think Korea check, I need to 139 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:38,280 fact check this, but I think Korea is, uh, has the second highest land owners, um, in all of the 140 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:43,880 sandbox ecosystem. I'm not, I'm not, I need to fact check this, but, uh, if I remember correctly, 141 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:54,120 it was once the second highest. Um, so I do believe the Korean committee has a lot to add. And if, if 142 00:14:54,120 --> 00:15:00,840 the Korean investors do have the second highest, most lands, then that means they have a lot of 143 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:07,880 voting power as well. Right. And if a lot of that voting power is gone to waste because they just, 144 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:15,880 they're just not, um, they're just not catching what's happening in the Dow, then I just thought 145 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:21,160 that's kind of like a missed opportunity there. Absolutely. What would you say, the side question, 146 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:29,080 what would you say, uh, are, are some of the concerns or, or things that the Korean community 147 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:40,200 really values? Profit. Profit. Okay. So similar to the Chinese delegation. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. 148 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:46,600 I think most of the Korean investors, I mean, I don't speak for all of them, but just from my, 149 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:54,200 but your observations. Yeah. Many are of course interested in getting a profit from their land 150 00:15:54,200 --> 00:16:02,920 investments. Um, many are wanting, you know, a good ROI on their sand token investments as well. And 151 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:10,440 because of the recent, um, kind of, you know, the bubble, the metaverse bubble popping, 152 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:16,040 I think a lot of the investors are a little bit dismayed because if you've entered, if you've 153 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:25,320 entered at five, $6, you know, then, um, firsthand tokens and when it was like $10,000 or two or three 154 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:32,520 30 and four, four, you know, floor price for the lands, then, um, you still got a lot of, a lot, 155 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:39,800 a lot of time left to kind of recover. A lot of ground to cover. Yeah. Exactly. So, so I think 156 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:50,040 that is the main concern. Um, I would say most of the investors are in it to make a profit. Um, 157 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:55,640 but then there, there is, I think a minority who are actually in it for the community and for the 158 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:03,000 creation and the gameplay aspect of it. So, so I guess there's kind of like a two categories there. 159 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:09,800 One is for investment purposes, which is, I would say the majority. Um, and then there's like the, 160 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,760 the people who are actually in it for the community, for the gaming, um, for the, for the 161 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:22,200 potential of the metaverse. That's very similar to the way old one described the Chinese community. 162 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:28,440 I think he said there was a third category, but there was your, your landowners and, and many were, 163 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:34,040 were very interested in, in the profit motive, but then there were also like the builders. And then 164 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:39,160 there were, there was the third category escaping me, but they were very specialized and you didn't 165 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:44,920 really overlap too much. So I found that was fascinating to, to listen about. And so in the 166 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Korean community, you kind of have your, your investors, whatever that may be. And then the, 167 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,600 the minority you'd say would be the, those in it for the community, the creation and the gameplay. 168 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:07,160 Yeah, definitely. Okay. Okay. That's fascinating. There's actually two official group chats in the 169 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:17,160 sandbox community in Korea. One is for the investors and one is for the gamers. So you're not 170 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,840 allowed to talk about, you're not allowed to talk about, uh, the price action in the community. 171 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:30,360 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It don't be talking about how many cents the sandbox is while I'm trying to 172 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:37,240 complete the latest, uh, daily. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Well, I, well, 173 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:43,320 I guess there's a gamers as well. Maybe that's the third category, gamers, builders and investors. 174 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:48,040 Okay. Got it. Yeah. Then that that's very similar to what old one described as well. 175 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,240 So there, so there are the three group chats or there's still two, 176 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,240 there's still two, just the gaming and the investors. Yeah. 177 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:05,960 All right. So the, the next thing I had up was, uh, so we're, we're, before we're talking about 178 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,280 the Korean community, we were speaking about your motivation for accepting the nomination 179 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:15,240 news and you thought, uh, you were saying how you thought you were a good fit to represent the, 180 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:23,800 the Korean community. The, the, the next portion is when it comes to snapshot voting and yeah, 181 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:29,640 I couldn't find anything in your snapshot profile. Have you voted in, in a Dow before? 182 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:38,600 I have voted in a Dow before, not with, not, not with my, um, profile current profile though, 183 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:45,960 because the, the wallet that I use right now is Venly. It's not a MetaMask wallet. Got it. So 184 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:52,120 I have voted with, uh, another wallet that has my other assets in it, 185 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,920 but I've decided to, uh, use my Venly account because this is the account that I've used from 186 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:07,720 the beginning. Got it. Uh, since 2021 and, um, yeah. So I have not voted in a, in a, in a, in a, 187 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:13,960 so I have not voted with this particular wallet, but I have voted, uh, for the Dow, 188 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:20,600 the SIPs before, um, and the sandbox now. And just the sandbox now, or have you voted elsewhere? 189 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:28,520 No, I've not voted in, uh, other Dow communities before. And have you voted on, on all 15 SIPs? 190 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:35,000 No, I have not voted in all 15 SIPs. Um, I think I've voted three or four times 191 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:44,360 in my other MetaMask wallet. Yeah. I voted for, um, the palette. I voted for, I think the Philippines 192 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:51,320 Academy. Yeah. One with Mark. I'm going to be doing an update podcast with him pretty soon after 193 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,760 he does his current, his, his first batch that, that he's just, I'm looking so forward to that. 194 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:04,280 Yeah. That, that was a very, um, it sounded like a very interesting idea. And what was some 195 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:11,080 other ones that I've done? I think I've done, uh, I voted yes for most of them. Usually if I'm going 196 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:17,320 to vote, I'm usually going to vote. Yes. I'm not, I'm usually not, I'm too lazy to get out of my way 197 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:26,040 to vote. No. Usually if I'm going to vote, it's going to be yes. Um, but I mean, now as a Dow 198 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:34,600 delegate, I should, I should look at each SIP and, uh, hand in my vote for, for all the SIPs. Um, 199 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:41,400 because I feel like that's going to be, I mean, if 2 million DP is going to be delegated, right? 200 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:48,440 Then it's going to be a big chunk to meet the quorum. So, yeah, tell me about that. Does, 201 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,720 do you feel like the 2 million that was gifted to you changed the way your voting perspective is? 202 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:59,320 Oh, definitely, definitely. Because now you feel like it's going to make a difference. Um, 203 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:06,200 ex- especially if you feel like if you don't vote, there's a chance that the SIP isn't going to get 204 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:12,280 passed at all, just because if it doesn't meet the quorum, it doesn't matter if it's, uh, 60% or 70%, 205 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:21,640 right? And I think the sandbox Dow itself, um, should not be voting as much as possible because, 206 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:28,520 um, even though they do vote in order to raise a quorum, I think for it to be fully decentralized, 207 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:34,360 um, the community has to do the voting themselves, right? I mean, it doesn't look good if, if the Dow 208 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:39,560 is putting in the votes just to raise the quorum. I, it's understandable they have to do it now, 209 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:45,800 just because there's not enough traction, but at the same time, by giving the 2 million VP to the 210 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:51,400 delegates, I think that responsibility kind of is carried over to the delegates to make sure you 211 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,040 cast your vote in, because now it's going to make a difference, right? 2 million votes times 12 is 212 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:06,600 what 24 million votes. Um, so definitely, I think the 2 million votes, um, it's just a heavier 213 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,960 responsibility, I think to the delegates, because now if they're, if they don't vote and they don't 214 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:19,320 read the SIP, then in some sense, there's negligence, right? Yeah. So that, that is an 215 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:24,840 interesting perspective. The, I think you're the first one to, to name it outright is perhaps 216 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:33,720 negligence. Like the 2 million is, is a big chunk and by not voting, we risk falling back into not 217 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:41,880 enough quorum, whereas sandbox wallet, let's take a look. I, I've read the SIP, the SIP, the SIP, 218 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:47,880 I've recorded in my scoreboard and checkbook that we briefly went over, which one's the sandbox 219 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:57,320 wallet voted on. Looks like they voted of the 15 SIPs, they voted three times, uh, three, five times. 220 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:03,160 Okay. Three, three, uh, excuse me, two in the beginning. So four times total, two in the 221 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,280 beginning where they couldn't, when they couldn't resubmit the SIPs that they accidentally voted for 222 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:14,120 in the beginning. So those two, but then they voted for, uh, the sandbox ambassador and, uh, 223 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:19,240 the sandbox academy because they were in the same cohort and they wanted the sandbox ambassador 224 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,200 program to go through. So they voted for those two to ensure they pass quorum. But then my SIP 225 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,720 came right after it with the Medifatura, uh, uh, disability SIP and both of us failed to meet quorum, 226 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:35,560 so we didn't make it. Oh, I'm so sorry. That's okay. It's okay. It's, it's, it's, that's how, 227 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:41,560 how things go. And we weren't able to, to, to rally the community, but the sandbox wallet only 228 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:49,000 voted twice since the initial SIPs of the Dow and okay. So I think I did think they're trying to 229 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:55,960 restrain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good sign. I think that's, that's healthy for the community 230 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:02,840 and definitely by giving the 2 million, um, VP to the delegates, uh, that should kind of, um, 231 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:09,800 um, alleviate, you know, the, the, the need for the sandbox down to having to step in every time. 232 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:16,120 Yeah. That's, that's what I'm hoping. And where I've been asking each of the, each of the delegates, 233 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:21,480 like, what, what is your thought on that 2 million? Does it change anything for some? It's like, no, 234 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:29,720 I'd be voting. I vote the same way if I had one VP or 10 million VP. And some said, yeah, I feel, 235 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:36,920 I feel a heavier weight on my shoulders and yeah, for sure. I'm, yeah, I'm kind of like, uh, I, I, 236 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:44,680 I'm kind of like a guy who acts only when I'm pushed to the corner. But the stakes are higher. 237 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:50,360 Yeah. The stakes look higher now, but I'd be so interested to see how that plays out. Uh, 238 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:56,280 especially when you start voting, I do, do you still feel the way you feel right now about it? 239 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,200 Does, uh, do you, is there a point at which you grow desensitized to it and you're like, 240 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,880 no, we can chance it or, or like, how, how does that evolve? Because that's important to our 241 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:12,760 community. It's not just, uh, like we, we need to know, like, how does this culture emerge that way 242 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:19,080 we can, if we need to change something or, or just take into account the human factor. Um, 243 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:25,000 I'm very interested to see how it all works out. Went from one wallet to having 27 million to now 244 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:34,600 12 wallets having 24 million. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think, I think most of the delegates are going 245 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:44,680 to be definitely more active now. I mean, not just a 2 million VP, but having your, your, your name 246 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:50,520 or your username, your nickname, whatever up, uh, as a future delegate in itself, I think 247 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:56,840 it kind of adds that pressure, not, not like good pressure though. Right. It's kind of like an 248 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:03,720 electoral college system. That's right. You know, like, like what would happen if an electoral 249 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:13,400 college did cast their vote. Right. Um, so you, now you, you have a responsibility to, to vote for 250 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:21,080 the 2 million VP worth that has been given to you, but also kind of you've been given an official 251 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:27,400 title to rally the community, right. As opposed to before it's kind of like, Hey, let's do this. 252 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:34,040 And then you're not sure if it's going to catch on because like who made you, you know, you know, 253 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:40,200 the person to be pushing these initiatives, but, but with a, with a title of an official future 254 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:46,360 delegate. Now you kind of have that authority or especially in the Korea, especially, I don't know 255 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:52,760 what it is in this, in other countries, but especially within, um, East Asian culture, um, 256 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:59,720 title, having a title is very important. So I think that that will also help with not just 257 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:06,600 having the delegate vote, but also having the rest of the community follow that delegates 258 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,240 follow that delegates initiative as well. Does that make sense? Yep. No, that makes sense. 259 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:19,320 Having that authority really not only just it's motivating, but also it, it, it almost sounds like 260 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,920 you're saying it's, it acts like a source of gravity, start pulling in like participation and, 261 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:31,160 and cohesion and that that's cool. I'd say in the Western world, it's a little bit different. 262 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,800 Sometimes we view authority with suspicion, especially in the web three universe, it kind 263 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,640 of draws people who are a bit more skeptical about authority, but I'd say generally at least in the 264 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,760 Dow, it feels like on the Western side that this is something that we've been wanting for a while. 265 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:52,280 Even if we didn't, we couldn't put our finger on it five months ago to say the Dow, what was, 266 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,720 we didn't even know what the Dow was. I didn't even know what a Dow was five months ago. Yeah. 267 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,840 I had no idea. I had to Google search what is a Dow when it came out in May. 268 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:10,120 Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. I really had no idea. So I've been learning ever since. And part of this podcast 269 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:15,960 has been like a, like a journal, like a kind of like exploration of what is this thing that we're 270 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:22,760 up to and, and just watching how it's kind of evolved now into delegates and how you now have 271 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,240 2 million voting power. I think it's really cool. I think it's a great opportunity. 272 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:35,480 That's awesome. I don't know if the VPs have been given already, but I'll have to check. 273 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,800 I've been asking each delegate if they've received it yet. And so far, none of them have. 274 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,080 Okay. So I guess they're going through the process. 275 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,840 I'm going to assume you haven't either by the, by what you, by judging. I don't think I have. 276 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:53,480 Okay. Yeah. Got it. So let's delve into your delegate description. How you mentioned 277 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:59,080 in the beginning that you, you're dedicated to empowering the decentralized community to shape 278 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,000 its own future. Can you expand on that? How do you want to empower the community? 279 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:12,600 I think it's kind of an extension of what I mentioned before. Like I would rather the Dow 280 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:22,280 not intervene within the voting process. Right? So by having delegates to, to have them rather 281 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:31,240 the community to have higher voting, higher voting in general, then I think that empowers 282 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:39,160 the community to pave their own future. The less votes, the less interaction, the less power the 283 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:46,520 community has to shape its own future. Right? Cause then someone has to fill that void of power. 284 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:53,320 Someone has to fill that void of, of making decisions. And I'm sure the sandbox Dow council 285 00:30:53,320 --> 00:31:00,440 members or, you know, their purpose is not to not, I'm sure it's not like they want to have a big 286 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,280 influence in the direction of the Dow, then, then there would be no purpose of having the Dow, 287 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,920 right? Right. Cause the Dow is an autonomous, a decentralized autonomous organization. But 288 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:16,760 if there is no voice or votes that's been casted by the community, then someone will have to direct 289 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:28,120 and lead, uh, whatever the sandbox is. Right. So in order, so the higher the votes, the more 290 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:34,040 autonomous the ecosystem is going to be. And the more autonomous it's going to be. Um, the more 291 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:40,600 autonomous it's going to be. Um, the more the community will have paved its own future. So, 292 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,960 I mean, as a delegate, if I'm able to contribute it, contribute to that cause, then I believe 293 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:55,160 in a sense I am empowering, um, the sandbox, the sand empowering the sand fam to be able to, um, 294 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,080 make its own decisions. Yeah. 295 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:06,680 And later on in the, in your delegate description, you said you wanted to, 296 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:14,040 uh, you wanted, you wanted the Dow to become a pioneering model for decentralized governance. 297 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,800 How did you want that pioneering model to, to look? 298 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,960 Actually, um, I've been, I've been interested in Dows for some time now, it's been years, 299 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:33,400 you know, um, yeah. So even in 2021, um, in the sandbox roadmap, I read through the whole 300 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,120 white paper of the sandbox. They had, you know, at one point we're going to be launching the Dow 301 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:44,760 that's been in the sandbox white paper from the beginning. And I mean, if, if you've been around 302 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:52,600 crypto or especially NFTs, NFT projects, uh, the Dow is always mentioned, right? I have yet to see, 303 00:32:52,600 --> 00:33:00,600 I think, well, I've not seen all of them, but from the ones that I've seen, um, I've yet to see a 304 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:13,240 fully functioning govern, governing body that is, you know, autonomous, um, because it's kind of a 305 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:19,640 double edged sword, like to be, to be fully autonomous, but at the same time to be functional, 306 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:26,440 that that's kind of a difficult task to achieve, I think, because, um, to be effective, you need to 307 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:33,480 be, you need to have consistent strategy. You need to have consistent vision, but to be able to have 308 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:40,680 consistent vision while it's autonomously ran, run, right. That's a very difficult thing to achieve 309 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:47,320 because you have all these different parties and players that are, uh, chiming in. So how do you 310 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:53,160 have a consistent vision? And I think that's the reason why the sandbox foundation has been kind of 311 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:59,080 leading the sandbox community up until now, because until the community is able to form a governing 312 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:05,640 body that is autonomous and functional, you do need someone to kind of lead that way. And I think 313 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,280 that's what Sebastian has been doing. I think what the sandbox, that's what the sandbox foundation 314 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:18,680 has been doing. And if we're able to create a DAO that can actually be functional, but at the same 315 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:26,040 time, be autonomous, I'm not sure if we can achieve fully autonomous, uh, model. I don't even know if 316 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:32,200 that's possible, but, but at least close to an autonomous, uh, model, then I believe that can be 317 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:39,400 a model for many other platforms in the future. Um, because it's not, I don't think it's going to be 318 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:49,080 an easy task, uh, to have create something that's able to run on its own while ensuring the 319 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:54,920 sustainability and vision of the community, but still be autonomous at the same time. 320 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,520 So, but still be 321 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,520 autonomous and functioning. 322 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,480 I don't know if that was a clear answer. 323 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:11,400 Yeah. What styles have you, have you been observing since, uh, I think you said 2021? 324 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:21,480 Yeah, I've observed, uh, you know, BYC's, um, DAO model. I've observed, uh, yeah, cyber congs. 325 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:28,920 Um, I've observed, uh, some, there, there was a project that I was also involved in, involved in 326 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:35,640 to start up an NFT project. I was an advisory there. Uh, so I've kind of helped out with their, 327 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:44,040 um, attempted DAO model, which, which fell. Um, but yeah, I've been involved here and there. 328 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:50,520 And of course, uh, the sandbox just, just not necessarily only the DAO, but if you, if you look 329 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:57,160 at the sandbox tokenomics of how the tokens are distributed and allocated from the beginning, um, 330 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:03,000 that in itself, I believe has kind of like a, uh, decentralized and autonomous aspect to it. 331 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:09,560 Uh, like the tokens going to the creators and coming back in. And then, uh, some are, you know, 332 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:19,080 delegated to, to landowners kind of justice, uh, ecosystem where, where it's trying to maintain 333 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:26,040 its function, like its functionality, but also trying to be autonomous at the same time. Uh, 334 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:32,840 so yeah, um, those are just some, some of the ecosystems that I've been keeping an eye on. 335 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:40,680 Yeah. B B A Y C I'm, I'm also involved in the A coin down right now. I'm currently a co-author 336 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:46,600 for, uh, AIP five, five, three. That's about to go up to vote. And, oh, wow. It's about a little 337 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:54,520 bit more transparency and some, they asked me a few weeks ago, uh, the other two co-authors for, 338 00:36:54,520 --> 00:37:01,640 they asked me to, to help them because of the SIPs I wrote here in sandbox DAO, to, to do that 339 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,000 because they are, I think they're encountering some of those challenges that you were speaking 340 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:12,120 to, where it's really difficult to find that balance between autonomy and functioning, call 341 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:18,360 it functioning. So they're, they're encountering their own bit of, um, one, one faction wants to 342 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:27,880 evolve into the next form of decentralized, uh, DAOs. Another faction wants, is, is too skeptical 343 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:34,360 of losing the autonomy to get there. And so they're in this, they're kind of in this, this 344 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,800 debate and dialogue right now to figure out which way to go. I'm in the middle of it, just like, 345 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:47,480 writing the AIP and it's been so interesting learning how they do things. Cause I have not 346 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:54,520 been involved in the A coin DAO until recently, really. Okay. So are you, are you, are you kind 347 00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:01,560 of like a freelance DAO guy or are you? Not really. I consider myself a sandbox DAO guy. 348 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,440 Uh, I'm, I am a sandbox, like the sandbox is where I want to be. When I did the episode on 349 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,760 the ecosystem where I talked about the people, the products and the purpose, and I just sat down 350 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,640 trying to figure out what, how do I describe the ecosystem? Cause I've been on, I think maybe three 351 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:21,480 or four interviews, different podcasts. Okay. And I sound like a walking advertisement for sandbox 352 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:28,120 sometimes about all those. And, and then I, and one day someone asked like, what, what does the 353 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:33,640 ecosystem look like? I'm like, you know what? I've never really spelled that out for just myself. 354 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:38,680 So I did episode 31 and now I feel like I can talk about an ecosystem. And then when I sat down 355 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,720 to do that, Oh my gosh, it's just like layer after layer, after layer. Some of the main reasons that 356 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:48,600 you mentioned earlier as to why you chose and narrowed down to the sandbox. I felt the same way 357 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:54,600 when I was looking at Decentraland and the sandbox, the depths, the depths, which the sandbox 358 00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:00,600 really goes. This is my project. It's, and then the DAO is, I've got like a business background. 359 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,200 So the DAO to me is like, Oh wow. Gaming, business, community and leadership. I love it. Yeah. 360 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:14,520 Yeah. Yeah. So I went on a little bit of tangent there, but I just, I like, I like, I like learning 361 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:23,320 from the other DAOs as well. Like Mocha DAO and, and Port API, 8-coin DAO, Squiggle DAO, WellFam 362 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,600 just launched there as well. Well DAO. And so all these different DAOs that I'm working on, 363 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:34,840 so all these different DAOs that I'm looking at and at the same thing you are, like how do we 364 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:41,880 strike a balance? What does that look like? Yeah. I think, I think it's got the, this DAO model is 365 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:47,720 going to have a huge impact to, especially the, the next gen, you know, the gen alpha, 366 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:56,200 gen Z of how they, how to navigate communities and governing bodies when they're going to be 367 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:01,880 spending so much time online. I mean, they already are right. Then when, when value is captured, 368 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,920 with the time and effort that they're spending online, like, how do you, how do you govern all 369 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:13,880 of that? Right. And so I think the, the DAO model is definitely going to have a huge impact, 370 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:20,040 not just in the crypto space or web three space, but overall. So I'm excited to, 371 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:27,000 to see how that plays out in the sandbox first as a model. And then hopefully that can be, I guess, 372 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:35,240 like, like a good example for the many other projects that are going to come to the surface 373 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:41,320 in the future. Yeah. Like a, like a template. Cause like I just had earlier today, I had on, 374 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:48,200 I did a podcast with Bankless DAO now called Black Flag DAO. They are, they have a situation 375 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,640 almost similar to ours where Bankless DAO is a, is a company. It's a very well known, 376 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,480 Bankless Media, it's very well known brand. And then Bankless DAO. I received, 377 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:05,320 I received, I received their newsletters. Yeah. Okay. Cool. So yeah. Yeah. So in Bankless DAO 378 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,960 went through, they, they submitted an arbitration proposal and there was like a Twitter mob that 379 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,040 came after them and it was just the mob. It wasn't really like there was anything wrong 380 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:19,400 that they did, but a Twitter mob came after them. But because it was associated with the Bankless 381 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,840 brand, they went after the owners of the Bankless Media. And that turned into this weird, 382 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,440 what happened after that was that the Bankless Media distanced itself from the DAO. 383 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:37,320 And now you're stuck with the dilemma. What does the DAO do when the brand has withdrawn from them? 384 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,760 And so what they had to do, they had to get together as a DAO community and decide, 385 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,400 do we want to keep the branding of Bankless? Do we want to go our own way? What problems will 386 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,880 occur in each direction? So I just got off a podcast a couple hours ago, interviewing the 387 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:57,880 transition council for, to the Black Flag DAO is what they're going to call it now. And all of the 388 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:03,720 different things you have to think of when you're, when you're separating yourself from a brand. 389 00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:08,040 And that, and the reason why I had them on is because I thought back to Sandbox, Sandbox DAO, 390 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:14,600 Sandbox Game Company. Like there's a shared company, a shared brand identity there, 391 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,800 a little bit different in that the company has a little bit more of a say for Sandbox Foundation. 392 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:27,640 But still, it's a very similar arrangement. And so I wanted to, I had them on to kind of 393 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:33,160 tell me their perspective and learn from lessons learned, something that we could look out for. 394 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,200 And one of the main things they said was, make sure you have communication with your other, 395 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:44,600 your sister brand, so that you each know each other's roles and limitations. Because they did 396 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:50,920 not have that. And that's why they're going through such turmoil and pain and suffering to, 397 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:56,520 to go their own way. It was, it was a no-win situation for everyone. The Twitter mob came out 398 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:03,640 of nowhere. And then it put everyone in a bad position. But that was really interesting to me 399 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,200 to see how do you, how do you face that? I hope Sandbox never does have to, but if we do, 400 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:17,080 we kind of have a model for how do we do it, do it well. Yeah. Yeah. I think the Sandbox, 401 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:23,960 the Sandbox has positioned itself quite clearly from the beginning that it's a separate, 402 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:34,760 the DAO is a separate entity from the Sandbox, you know, the foundation itself. So yeah. 403 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,600 Also in your description, you mentioned envisioning a few, what the future would 404 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,800 be for the Sandbox communities. How do you see the Sandbox communities evolving? What, 405 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:57,800 what did you envision there? Well, right now, you know, most of those that are involved in the 406 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:06,120 Sandbox, I think are creators and builders. And of course there's investors and of course there's 407 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:16,760 gamers as well. But if everything goes right and web three is, you know, adopted, adapted by the 408 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:24,520 masses more and more so, and there's more gamers coming into the Sandbox. I think the gamers are 409 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:31,240 going to have a bigger voice and bigger role within the ecosystem. I think at this point, 410 00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:39,560 many of the gamers are not necessarily interested within the community or, or voicing their 411 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,120 concerns. Like I doubt how many gamers would actually know what the DAO is, you know, what 412 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:51,640 the Sandbox DAO is or what the vision of the Sandbox is in the long run. So as more and more 413 00:44:51,640 --> 00:45:01,320 power or I would say more and more room for the gamers to raise their concern becomes bigger in 414 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:13,560 the future. Yeah, I think, I think there's going to be, there needs to be people and players that, 415 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:20,520 that have to educate them, provide them with content and show them that, you know, the Sandbox 416 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:27,960 is a gaming platform, but at the same time, it's more than that, right? You can actually 417 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:36,680 contribute in the governing process through the DAO. You can actually have social aspects to it by 418 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:41,480 by working with other people and things like that. So I mean, when I say, you know, 419 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:47,640 things like that. So I mean, when I say envisioning the future, I'm, I'm speaking in terms of 420 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,560 the potential of the Sandbox because I don't think we've even scratched the surface. Yeah. 421 00:45:54,440 --> 00:46:00,520 I'm with you on that. The potential. Yeah. So I mean, this is what the Sandbox is now is definitely 422 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:10,280 not the end state of the ecosystem. I think we're, we're maybe, maybe 1%, right? Really? 1% huh? 423 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:18,040 Okay. I would think so. I mean, I respect that. I think I can understand in terms of, in terms of 424 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:25,880 the gaming, the, the gaming, the gamers coming in, because, you know, I, okay. Yeah. I, the creators, 425 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:31,560 the Sandbox is an amazing platform for, for the creators. Um, you know, I'm a builder studio. I 426 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:37,800 talk to the creators all the time. They love the process of making games, but for the gamers, 427 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:45,800 many are actually, um, feel like it's still not up to par yet in terms of, uh, with other gaming 428 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:52,360 platforms. Right. That's fair. So, so when, when, when the gamers actually start pouring in because 429 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:58,840 of the actual gaming aspect to, and when they, when the accessibility of the web three, um, gets 430 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:04,680 better, I think we're still at, you know, we're still scratching the surface. Um, 431 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,960 you know, I see, I see the potential for the Sandbox could be, you know, hundreds of millions 432 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:17,400 of gamers, you know, for, for MA, MAU monthly active users. And if it's not the, the alpha season 433 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:24,680 four, um, to be honest, you know, at this point, point, the MAU is still quite low. People aren't 434 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:32,600 playing the games just for the sake of the games yet, you know. Um, yeah. So that's why I say, 435 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:38,120 when I envision the future, I see huge potential much more than where it is now. 436 00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:46,520 And, and when you, when voters, potential delegaties, delegators, 437 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:55,240 think of you, crypto Mo, what type of delegate do you want to be known as? 438 00:47:55,240 --> 00:48:02,600 Um, I want to be known as a supportive delegate for sure. You know, I don't, I'm someone who kind 439 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:08,840 of sees a big picture. So, um, if, if the initiative is good for the committee as a whole, 440 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:17,480 right. It might get the sips might not be perfect. Um, but if, if, if it meets a criteria of in the 441 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,920 long run, it's good for the whole, even though in the short run, it's not good for the whole, 442 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:30,280 even though in the short run, it, it, it incentivize a certain group of the members of the community. 443 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:37,320 Then like, I'm up for it. I want to be a supportive delegate, not necessarily. I think being critical 444 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:44,520 is important, but sometimes, uh, I think people get critical just to be critical for the sake of 445 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:53,640 being critical. So I want to be supportive. I want to foster a, a vibe where people are encouraged 446 00:48:53,640 --> 00:49:00,680 to write sips, right? Where, where they feel like there is a high chance if I, if my intentions are 447 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:07,160 good and if my intentions are to improve, you know, the SanFam community as a whole, then like 448 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,560 you should have no problem. Uh, unless it's something illegal or, you know, it's anything 449 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:18,520 that's kind of shady. Other than that, I don't know, be a supportive, uh, delegate and also 450 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:24,920 kind of, uh, a delegate who acts as a bridge between different cultures. I think I've met, 451 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:30,280 I think like that cultural aspect for me is big for me because I come from, I've, I've come in and 452 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:39,080 out of different cultures, um, quite a lot. So kind of bridging maybe the Asian, Asian side, 453 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:47,240 specifically Korean side to the maybe more non-Asian, Western or European side. 454 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,320 I want to be a delegate that kind of bridges that cultural gap. 455 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,440 What sort of sips do you not support? 456 00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:07,160 Um, I don't want to support sips that are political in nature. When I say political, um, 457 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:15,080 so, so how you define political might be different from different people, but if a certain sip 458 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:26,280 only represents one view, you know, of a community, whether that be for religious purposes or for 459 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:35,560 political purposes, right. Um, then I, I wouldn't want to support a sip. Um, not, not necessarily 460 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:42,280 because that sip won't be good or it won't be a good idea, but if it's written from the perspective 461 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:51,960 if it's written from the perspective of someone who has a fundamentally different perspective from 462 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:58,680 other people, and it only represents that one aspect, then, um, I don't think I would vote for 463 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:05,320 that sip. Does that make sense? Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're the first 464 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:11,560 person. Yeah. You're the first one to articulate that specific point of view on that. Okay. Oh, 465 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:16,680 great. Great. Yeah. I've always thought that, you know, with, with some experiences, some things that 466 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:22,760 the sandbox foundation has pushed for, you know, cause I mean, I have personal convictions, I have 467 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:31,400 personal, um, uh, stances on certain things. So sometimes I'm like, ah, you know, some things 468 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:37,320 that the sandbox pushes for might not be representative of all the people that are involved. 469 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,920 And that's a challenge. It's a challenge to, to represent everyone, but at the same time, 470 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:50,440 if it's only representing a certain body of the community members, and if it's a sip that pushes 471 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:59,480 for that, then I think that's not fair. Got it. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. And what would you say 472 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:04,280 is the type of SanFam voter that most closely fits your delegation style? 473 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:15,160 Uh, Koreans, definitely Korean SanFam members know me. Um, they know me. They, um, they all 474 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:22,280 congratulated me when they found out I was a first South Korean delegate. Um, obviously the culture 475 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:35,480 and the language has most to do with it. So, and also maybe those who, um, I would say maybe more 476 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:43,160 of the, the, the Asian community, not necessarily only Koreans, but, um, I don't know, maybe. 477 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:51,480 I mean, maybe the Filipinos. Yeah. Maybe the, the Filipino sandbox community will, will welcome me 478 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:57,640 with open arms. I don't know. I think so. I think they'd be fine. Yeah. Let's talk to Mark. 479 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:04,840 What I mean? Yeah. From the sandbox Academy. Yeah. I haven't talked to him, but yeah, I would love to, 480 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:12,600 love to. Yeah. He's looking to expand the sandbox Academy and to other countries. And so 481 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:21,080 oh wow. The Philippines is where he lives is to him was, is the test case. And I think Roxy Miguel 482 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:28,760 from Ecuador expressed an interest in, in maybe helping expand it into Ecuador, but I'm sure that 483 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:34,200 he would love to discuss expanding into other countries as well. So that's not only representative 484 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:40,680 of only one voice, which was part of the criticism, uh, that, that was levied at the sandbox Academy, 485 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:45,960 which is why is it only in the Philippines? Well, I only, I only live in the Philippines and that's 486 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:52,600 all I can do. And yeah, but I think he's interested in expanding it and he's been doing it for a while 487 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,800 on his own dime. So I'm happy to see him doing it. Wow. Wow. With the, that's awesome. Yeah, it is 488 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:05,480 awesome. And let's, the last thing was had, have you had to sign any additional agreements other 489 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:11,880 than the code of conduct when you interviewed? Um, no, I think that's the only thing that I signed 490 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:19,000 when joining the code of conduct, uh, making sure you're not voting for a SIP that's written by 491 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:27,240 someone, you know, close to you or where I would be getting, uh, I did a podcast episode on the new, 492 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:34,920 the delegation rules and oh my gosh, those conflict of interest rules are very broad. 493 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:41,480 Very, yeah. How do you, how do you like, like, for example, if a member of the Korean sandbox 494 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:47,160 committee, right to sip, like we, we pretty much all know each other here in correct or sandbox 495 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:54,360 company. Right. So, so I mean, so how do you define having a relationship or, you know, it's, 496 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,480 it's kind of, it's kind of in the gray area. So I think that's one, one thing that I think the 497 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:06,200 Dow needs to, the council needs to clarify. I sent them, I had that question when I was reading the, 498 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:12,760 the code of conduct, I sent that question to them and also they, they've articulated like in the past, 499 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:21,080 uh, the first sandbox Dow podcast that Kunta just posted the other week, they did, they did allude 500 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,880 to, this is an iterative process. We know it's not the final state. We're trying to improve it and 501 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:32,840 figure it out and now like, all right, makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For example, like now I, 502 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,800 I know you, Lander, right? Like, so now if you write a sip, am I not allowed to vote? You know 503 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,480 I'm saying it's right. Right. That's, that's interesting. It's an interesting thing. Yeah. 504 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:48,760 I would, uh, I would, I would hate for that to be the thing because I've almost interviewed all 12 505 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:55,880 of you and so if that was a conflict of interest, then my sandbox does it has no chance. Yeah. So 506 00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:01,320 I'm sure that wasn't the intent. I'm sure that wasn't the intent. Um, so I'm sure, I'm sure they'll 507 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,520 clarify what they mean. Yeah. Yeah. And how, how were you notified that you were delegate? 508 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:17,160 Um, through the sandbox Dow, uh, email inter, platform interface. Oh, like the direct messages? 509 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:24,360 Yeah. Yeah. The, the DMs. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Cool. And that, that's, that's linked to my, 510 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:31,480 my, my personal email. So got it. Yeah. I think Fawn Fawn was the one who interviewed me. Yeah. 511 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:37,640 Yeah. Yeah. She's awesome. I love Fawn. And so we, we just went through all of the, 512 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:45,320 all the questions and as we were going through it, I had a thought that would you like for me, 513 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:52,280 would it be valuable to you for me to repeat some of the questions and then you answer in Korean? 514 00:56:53,240 --> 00:57:03,160 Totally up to you. Um, oh, on the show right now, I think, I think it's okay because I'm probably 515 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:09,880 going to, I'm either going to take this, uh, after you upload it to your YouTube channel, uh, 516 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,760 I'm going to ask, I'm probably going to ask you, but if it would be okay to maybe add subtitles 517 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:21,000 or you may absolutely do so. Yeah. Yeah. Do something to localize the content. So you're 518 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,720 probably going to go right ahead with that. All right. That's fine. Thank you so much. Then 519 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:34,280 absolutely. Absolutely. We have, I didn't see any community questions that I haven't already 520 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:40,440 answered. So we have went through all the questions. Thank you for giving me a little bit of insight 521 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:46,920 into the voice of the Korean community. I was wondering about that and yeah, it's, I think 522 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,800 like the Westerners, I'll just say, I don't speak for all the Westerners, but the sense I get is that 523 00:57:52,840 --> 00:58:00,200 we want to communicate, but sort of using Google translator, we don't know how. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 524 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:06,840 Yeah. And so what I was kind of tossing around back and forth with some of, uh, like, like Sebga 525 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:13,320 who, and the hidden walls, I think they recommended that we do like a panel. Um, and then I was talking 526 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:19,080 with old one that maybe, maybe I can just do a panel with, uh, with, with Chinese speaking 527 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:25,000 community and then a Korean speaking community. And I don't even have to say much. I mean, I won't, 528 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:30,520 I won't understand all most of it, but that's okay because it won't be about me. Maybe, maybe you 529 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,440 could, I can just stream it while you moderate and then we can make that content available. 530 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:41,400 Like, however, um, but it had, it occurred to me that I'd really like to try and bridge as well, 531 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:49,160 um, do, do my part because we're one San Fam and I feel like I want to connect with 532 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:56,520 Korean speakers and Chinese speakers and Filipinos and South Americans and everyone in Europe, like 533 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,800 there, but I don't know how. And I've been thinking about that a lot lately. 534 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:09,160 Yeah, that would be, that would be great to, to have like, uh, the other, the other day, I think 535 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:15,880 when was it? Wednesday? Yeah. Wednesday, two days ago, we had a, uh, alpha season for AMA with 536 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:23,800 Sebastian and I translated, I interpreted the, the, the, the VMA. So it could be something similar 537 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:29,560 to that. You know, maybe you could have questions and then I could interpret, um, 538 00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:35,160 and have my own questions as well. So yeah, definitely. I think that would be cool. 539 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,160 If we exchange questions. Yeah. 540 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:42,840 That would be neat. Like you ask the community, what do y'all want to ask us? And then I asked 541 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,040 Mike, the Western community, what do you want to ask them? 542 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:53,720 Yeah. And then we can, um, consolidate the questions and then, um, do a stream or something. 543 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,400 Yeah, that sounds cool. That would be cool. I think that, I think we're onto something now. 544 00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:05,720 Yeah. Crypto Mo, thank you for your time. Thank you for the opportunity. And I've been 545 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,720 thinking about for the past five minutes. 546 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:21,080 Thank you. Thank you. Very good. Thank you. Thank you. And, um, I've always done, I've done doing 547 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:27,880 this for the, the past number of delegates. You, so there's some spaces that I wanted to, 548 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,120 to make you aware of. You already know Discord, you know, the Sandbox Style forums, you know, 549 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:38,760 Twitter and there's YouTube, which is Sandbox Style YouTube, mine and then Sandfam Cafe. 550 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:44,760 But there are Twitter spaces where Sandfam gathers during the week that, that could, 551 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:51,560 uh, that may or may not benefit from, uh, you introduce yourself as a delegate, a delegate. 552 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:57,880 So there's Mocha verse hall on Mondays. Okay. Uh, and they are not just Mocha, but they're, 553 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,680 they're also pretty heavy into the Sandbox Style and some eight coin. There's Bulls on the Block 554 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:09,880 on Saturdays. They are big time eight coin Dow, but they're also, uh, they hold an estate on the 555 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:17,240 Sandbox. So they're a Sandbox group. And then there's Monday through Friday Coffee with Captain, 556 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:23,560 which is, which is primarily the eight coin Dow, but they do talk about the Sandbox from time to 557 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:30,040 time. And like you mentioned, kind of the authority thing, I think the, the prestige of, of 558 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:37,560 the delegates rushing them, they, that they would open up a bit more to that as well. And they are 559 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:42,360 very well syndicated. There are hundreds of people who watch that show. And then there's, 560 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:47,080 then there's Well Members, who I think is one of the largest landowners in, in the Sandbox. 561 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:55,080 They just launched their Well Dow and I have a WIP for them to vote on every sip, uh, whereas 562 01:01:55,080 --> 01:02:02,520 before they haven't been. And I think it would really, it would really do well for, uh, a delegate 563 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:10,760 to, to make an appearance. Um, they're, they're not all like whale people. Um, some of them are 564 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:16,760 also seeking a delegate such as yourself, just something to keep in mind. Um, if you ever had 565 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:23,640 the time to, they, they do gather, I've seen in those four places so far, uh, in, in some numbers, 566 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:31,160 but just wanted to share. We're at the end. Was there anything you guys have done that 567 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:36,200 was there anything you'd like to share or any other, um, parting words? 568 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:43,080 Um, I think this is good. You know, I mean, text is good and writing on the form is good, 569 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:53,240 but I think just connecting on a, just like a personal video, um, more interactive, um, level, 570 01:02:53,240 --> 01:03:00,280 I think really it strengthens the connection for sure. So thank you for inviting me. Um, yeah, 571 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:06,840 definitely. I would be interested in the future if there's other spaces where, um, I can go and 572 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:13,000 contribute to conversations and even, even, even talk to other Dow delegates, maybe in your platform 573 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:19,560 and, um, get to know them and discuss about various topics for the wellbeing of, of, uh, 574 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:26,440 the sandbox style. So yeah, this is my first time, um, uh, having a discussion about the sandbox 575 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:34,600 down in any platform. So this has been great. And I'm look, yeah, I feel honored. No, it's been 576 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:41,880 really good because I think a lot of people, um, just, they have a lot of good ideas and thoughts. 577 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:50,120 It's just not enough space to come together and have these dialogues though. It can be very good. 578 01:03:50,120 --> 01:04:00,920 Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for your time. And this is Crypto Mo, 579 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:06,840 otherwise known as MoFat on the delegation. He is very interested. Uh, if you're Korean speaking 580 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:15,000 or Filipino speaking or Tagalog, then please consider, uh, Crypto Mo as your delegate as, uh, 581 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:22,440 looking to empower the community to shape its own future and to, to become a pioneering model 582 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:45,560 for decentralized governance. Thank you all have a great night. Awesome. Thank you.