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Hello everyone, Sandow Podcast 41.

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We have been burning fast this past weekend, mostly because of the delegates that have

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been announced just a few days ago.

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There are 12 of them and we've been trying to interview as many as we can so that everyone

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has an idea of who the delegates are and so they can start delegating and we can make

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quorum an issue of the past.

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Today we have the intern, also known as the Hidden Walls, who is in the delegate page.

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He'll be the top right, the first one showing.

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And we're going to be interviewing him today from Singapore.

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And yeah, welcome the intern.

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Hello everyone and good to be here.

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Thanks for having me.

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I'm very happy to have you.

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Today is about a meet and greet with intern and a learning opportunity so that we can

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all understand how intern wishes to be a delegate, what intern intends to do, and all the fun

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things that can help you decide if the intern is the right delegate for you.

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So disclaimer, intern, I do not represent the Sandbox game or the Sandbox style foundation.

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We are not your financial or legal advisors, nothing we say is to be taken as financial

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or legal advice.

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When we say the word SIPP, we're talking about Sandbox Improvement Proposal.

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When we say the word DAO, we mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization.

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And when we say the word SanFam, we mean Sandbox Community who participate in the people, product,

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and purpose of the Sandbox ecosystem.

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The Sandbox ecosystem has all these different things, many, many different careers, functions,

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products, all weaving together to create that ecosystem.

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And today we're focusing in on the DAO delegate, which is one such person and entity within

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the people sector of the ecosystem.

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Specifically, we're looking at the intern, also known as the hidden walls, as you might

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read it on the delegation page.

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So the scoreboard and checkbook have not moved.

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We're still at 2.3 million spent of our 15.5 million budget, which is roughly 15%.

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And we're still at 15 SIPPs, nine having been approved, six having been not approved.

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All of them were not approved because of Quorum, which we hope in turn will help make that

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a thing of the past.

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I hope so too.

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So the road to the DAO, the three things that really matter for today is on May 28th, the

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DAO was announced via the Medium article.

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On September 10th, the Sandbox DAO opens up delegation applications.

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I like many others applied and we know that there are many, many applications.

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So the fact that the intern is here today just speaks to the caliber that the DAO admin

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team expects that an intern will bring and that we all pretty much know if you've been

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here and you've seen the way the intern has participated in the community, this should

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not be a surprise to you.

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And then November 13th, 12 delegates were announced just five days ago, five, four days,

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like that.

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So let's get straight.

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Go ahead, intern.

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Yeah, it's about over since the announcement.

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Yeah, since the announcement, it's been a flurry.

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And if you have any questions for intern, please post them in chat.

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I will put them on the community questions, which we'll get to toward the latter half

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of this podcast.

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And I'm Lancer, I'm the podcast host.

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I'm also president of the MetaWorlds group.

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We have two experiences, one called lava defense.

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The second is floor droppers, which is currently in Alpha season four, but I'm not the only

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one with something in Alpha season four.

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Isn't that right, intern?

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Right, right.

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So right now, then, siege defense, wrath of the titans is the featured experience for

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the day for the next, I think another more, another 12 more hours to go.

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That's right.

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So let's see if we can pinpoint it on the map here.

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You are the top.

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No, not there.

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Scene.

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No, there's so many.

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I can't see them because I don't know.

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Where are you?

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Are you in the bottom right?

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Bottom right.

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Yeah.

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You mean you mean at the center of the map?

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No, I like the center.

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Oh, I thought you mean the original location.

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Don't see it yet.

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You're here somewhere though.

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Yeah, it appears on my map though.

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Casey's deja vu.

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Asia.

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The left side of the map is south side and then I like two parcels to its left.

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I can't.

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Oh, there we go.

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I can get in more now.

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I'm having the toughest time finding it.

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I really should have asked you beforehand.

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We're talking about the center of the map.

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Oh, there it is.

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Zero.

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Zero.

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Two.

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Deja vu too?

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Yeah.

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Deja vu too and then I'm like to its west.

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Rath.

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There we go.

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That's the one.

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Siege defense.

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Yeah.

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So that siege defense is the one that was just released, wasn't it?

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It's probably in the sandbox daily right now.

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But congratulations.

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So you're also part of deja vu.

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I didn't notice that.

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Oh, no, no, no.

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I'm not part of deja vu.

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I'm just using it.

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Oh, yes, the left.

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That's the preference point.

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Here it is.

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So the intern X, which we'll get to in the voting history or the sandbox profile question,

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but wrath of the siege defense right there.

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That is intern.

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So congratulations.

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We are, I think it's 3525 of over a thousand experiences interns was selected to be an

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alpha season four.

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That's a major accomplishment.

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Wait, a thousand?

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I did not know there were so many.

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There are over a thousand experiences.

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Yeah, I know.

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And the funny thing is the builders challenge one, I'd calculate that there was four hundred

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and sixty two for an eighty two that were announced.

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But now there's over a thousand since builders challenge one.

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So that I'm not sure about the numbers, but that's what I hear.

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Seb and and others say on podcasts.

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So I believe them when they say it.

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Where am I?

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Floor droppers right there.

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Smackdown in the middle.

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I'm going to lose little one by one.

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I see it.

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It's not easy to lose.

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Yeah, it's right there.

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By wrath of the siege defense.

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But I'm so happy for you, intern.

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All right.

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So back to let's get into known as the hidden walls, but also known as many others.

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Intern, could you please give us your background and introduce yourself?

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OK, so hi, everyone.

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I'm the intern at the hidden walls.

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I will explain that later on.

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My background.

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I bought my first crypto in late 2020.

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I think it was in December 2020.

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And then in August 2021, me and my wife started a PFP project together.

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After that, she moved on to drawing digital art while I moved on to the metaverse space

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during the whole metaverse hype when Facebook changed its name to meta.

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I started off in the Centralland in early 2022 as a participant.

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And then after a while, I started getting involved in the endow.

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A few months in, I became a sole author of a governance proposal that was successfully

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implemented as well.

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And then in 2023, I moved on to the sandbox.

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And so here I am right now.

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As for the names, the hidden walls.

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So it's this whole thing about me being the intern, whether I'm the hidden walls, whether

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I'm Ten Ten in Discord.

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So all three, they are all related.

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The hidden walls is kind of like the main brand.

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It's also what, yeah, so it's essentially the main brand.

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And then I go by the name, the intern, and my wife goes by the name Mama Hen.

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So if we do see either one and they are related to the hidden walls, we are essentially the

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same thing.

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What was the second one?

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Did you say Mama what?

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Yeah, Mama Hen.

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Mama Hen.

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Yes, horny, right?

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Yeah, I didn't even know that one.

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Yeah, well, because it's corny.

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So I tend to leave her introduction to her.

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So Mama Hen is who?

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Is the wife.

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Okay, got it.

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And what's Ten Ten?

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Ten Ten would be my original in-game name in the central.

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So because when I first started out in Discord, it was because of wanting to immerse myself

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in a community in the central land.

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So I had that name.

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I used it in Discord as well, and it has been that ever since.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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Okay.

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Okay, so do you have any other names that we need to know about?

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Not that I know of, but I will let you know if I do.

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Okay, so the hidden walls is your name in brand.

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Is that like the studio?

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Kind of, yes.

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You can call that the studio name.

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And then the intern is your main name that you go by?

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Yes.

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Mama Hen is your wife, and Ten Ten is your original name that you carried over from Decentraland?

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Correct.

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Okay.

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So also another clarification, I'm not exactly an intern.

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It's just with the whole Twitter and X, the intern is always up to no good, right?

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So I carry that name.

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Oh, because of its availability?

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And also, you always see the intern posting nonsense, and that's kind of what I was also

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going for because I prefer my persona to be something that is a bit more mischievous,

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a little more relaxed in terms of the content, not so serious.

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Gotcha.

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Okay.

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So the intern slash Ten Ten slash the hidden walls, thank you very much for explaining

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that to us.

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My pleasure.

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So you became SanFan in August 2021.

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Oh, I'm sorry, not August 2021.

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It was after that, after the PFP.

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Yes, yes.

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So 2022 was Decentraland and 2023 is the sandbox.

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So I started off, I think in 2023, Q3, I think it was September.

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And the big reason was because at that point in time, there was a land sale, there was

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a Lion City land sale.

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Singapore is known as the Lion City.

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I did not know that.

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Yeah.

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So the Lion City land sale was mainly targeted at Singapore and the neighboring audience.

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And so I participated in that land sale and the end of June as well.

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And then from it, I actually got to know a lot of local creators, players, even the sandbox

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staff as well, the guys and ladies who are involved actively in maintaining the sandbox

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ecosystem in Southeast Asia.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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And this was in September 2023 was the Lion City land sale?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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So then you became San Fam.

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Yes, actually.

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I kind of like started off earlier in season one.

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Yeah, during season one, I actually did start playing.

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But at that point in time, the motion was a little choppy.

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So it gave me motion sickness.

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So as a player in season one, and then as a landowner, you deepened your involvement

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in September 2023.

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Yes.

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All right.

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Makes sense.

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I did not know Singapore was known as the Lion City.

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That's awesome.

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Let me make sure I write that down.

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It's a really small country.

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So we have to give it a...

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You got to give it something, right?

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Got a lot of teeth, big teeth, big power.

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Yes.

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Big teeth.

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Not wrong.

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Yeah.

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It was it was y'all's Independence Day not too long ago.

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Yeah, it's a relatively young country.

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We gained independence in 1965.

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So comparatively to everyone else, I would say that we are kind of like a new kid in

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the block.

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Yeah, Dr. Loretta Chen and I spoke a bit about that.

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I interviewed her on Independence Day for Singapore.

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Yeah, that's so cool.

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That is so cool.

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All right.

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Right.

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So let's go into your sandbox experience.

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I looked up your profile and I saw a litany, a whole load of stuff, which knowing your

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involvement is not a surprise.

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But I saw 38 experiences.

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38 with over 400 assets.

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And turn ridiculous.

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Okay, I'm not surprised.

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In my defense, sorry.

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I'm not surprised to see one of them in Alpha season bullet, but walk me through 38 experiences.

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Yeah, that has got to be a record.

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Okay, in my defense, when I started out as a builder, it started out recreationally.

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And it still is recreational for me.

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I do I build games as a form of stress reliever.

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And many other games, I wouldn't say it on the scale of like, siege defense, like siege

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defense and one last chance, right?

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They are kind of like my flagship experiences.

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But beyond that, most of the other ones are mini games.

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Some of it are like templates that are modified to practice on certain mechanics, you know,

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some things that is experimental to see how things work, how things work in a game builder,

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sorry, to game maker.

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And then when you publish it, because you know, we all know that when you're using the

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game maker versus using the client itself, right?

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The experience can be very different.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, that explains pretty much why I have 38.

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I would say out of the 38, maybe half of them are player folk in a sense.

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The rest are kind of like in the initial or still, you know, still building them up.

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Gotcha.

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Well, while you were speaking, I had that your Wrath of the Titans playing on silent

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so everyone could see the trailer.

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But yeah, looks good.

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Looks very good.

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I can see all of the different lessons you learned.

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I can't even hold a candle to something like this.

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I normally get someone else, I have a partner developer to help me.

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Just give instructions, right?

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Right, right.

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I'm the creative designer, like I know what I want to look like.

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And then we talk through the mechanics.

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I'll help place a block here and there or like do a little bit of stuff.

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Yeah, I'm an amateur.

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What's that?

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That works, right?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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So, one last chance.

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Tell me about that one.

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What's the story behind that one?

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So essentially, when I first thought of what were the genres that I would like to dwell

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in, I knew as a beginner game maker, it would be very difficult for me to enter into a space

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that's saturated, it's hard to get seen by anybody.

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Everybody would have played a game that's far better than mine.

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So the two genres that I realized at that point in time in late 2023 that were still

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not explored were casino, gambling, and also RPG, hack and slash.

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So those were the two that got me started on one last chance, which is a casino experience.

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It dwells a lot in RNG or what we call random number generator.

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So essentially, if you bet, say, 100, you can either get back 25 bucks or you can get

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200, which is 2X.

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So the element of the RNG, the luck factor, I feel it's something that it's worth exploring

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into.

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Okay.

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Now I'm going through the...

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We're watching the trailer right now.

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So it looks like you hit play and then you put in the amount that you want to wager and

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then it resolves the hand.

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Okay, great.

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So we are good on that one.

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So I think we have a pretty good idea of your background now and why there are so many names.

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Our first question.

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I hope.

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No, it makes complete sense.

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I get it.

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I get it.

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You have a storied history in this, not just only one metaverse, but also as we're about

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to get into, what was your motivation for applying to be a delegate?

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So coming in from experience, I feel like when I started off in the sandbox down, it

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feels like I was in the central end down in the beginning.

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So throughout the whole experience, you see a lot of hiccups, you see a lot of things

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that some would call injustice.

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And I feel like a lot of all these mistakes could have been resolved if someone with relevant

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experience comes in, shows the way.

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And I thought, why not me in the sandbox down?

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There are a lot of pitfalls that we can hopefully avoid.

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The same mistakes that happened in the central end, hope to not have it happen in the sandbox

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as well.

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That will be my core reason why I applied for a delegate.

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So kind of like be the change you want to see in the world and be the solution to the

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problem.

353
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Exactly.

354
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It is.

355
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Oh, yeah.

356
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Makes sense.

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And some of those things that some might call injustice, are you still seeing that as something

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you want to address?

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As of now, because there are, okay, so the way the central end down runs versus the sandbox

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down runs is pretty different.

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The sandbox down, I believe the whole down model is derived similar from the way it find

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down runs.

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Where they have the special counsel, the advisory board that's there to kind of get what experiences,

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what proposals go through and what don't.

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What else for the central end down is a whole different game.

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They allow practically anyone to come up with a proposal.

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No editing.

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The owners is all on the author itself.

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And Descenderland, it's like that?

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Yes, it is.

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So you can literally right now create an account, go on the central end down, post a poll.

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If the poll says, if your project or proposal says, look, I want a thousand dollars to build

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an experience, people will vote.

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They will go through the poll first and then a draft and then governance proposal.

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If it passes governance proposal, you get your grant.

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Gotcha.

377
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Wow, that is very different from us.

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It is very different.

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So in a sense, it's good because there's nobody skating, but it's also bad because nobody

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is skating.

381
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Got it.

382
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So when you talked about the injustice, you were referring to the central end.

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Sorry, I did.

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When you referred to injustice earlier, were you talking about the central end?

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Yeah.

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Mainly, yes.

387
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I'm sorry.

388
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I didn't hear that.

389
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Say that again.

390
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Mainly, yes.

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Mainly, yes.

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Okay, got it.

393
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But a little bit maybe in the sandbox style that you wanted to be the change.

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Yes.

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So I think that, I mean, so far in terms of the SIPs itself, I don't see a huge injustice,

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which means that the Dow team is actually doing a really good job.

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I also understand that there has been a couple of proposals that were dropped along the way.

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So those, I guess we'll never know.

399
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Got it.

400
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That's where the transparency comes in.

401
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But you want to make sure it doesn't happen here.

402
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Yes.

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As minimally as possible.

404
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I wouldn't dare say that we can, the sandbox style will be all great and perfect and then

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there'll be no corruption, there'll be no favoritism, all that.

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But as much as we can, hopefully with all 12 delegates, we can pursue an impartial system.

407
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Yeah.

408
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Yeah.

409
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Makes sense.

410
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So let's look then at your voting history, which only shows the sandbox style.

411
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So didn't you say that you were a proposal author of Decentraland?

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Yes.

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So the thing is that because I actually own quite a bit of land on both, so I actually

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own land in Decentraland, in the sandbox and in other sites as well.

415
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So it's mainly metaverse related.

416
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Yeah, metaverse related.

417
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Metaverse related.

418
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Got it.

419
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I keep them all in separate wallets.

420
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Got it.

421
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,360
Got it.

422
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Got it.

423
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Okay.

424
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So you were a proposal author that was successful in Decentraland?

425
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Yes.

426
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Wow.

427
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Nice.

428
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Thanks.

429
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,720
And for sandbox style, it looks like you did vote on, oh, there's 14.

430
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It says 14, but I saw that you also vote on the 15th.

431
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I think it might just be like a snapshot error.

432
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Yeah.

433
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But you did vote on all 15.

434
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Yes, I believe I did.

435
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And it looks like you voted a mixtures of mostly yes, but also you were no stranger

436
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to nos and abstains.

437
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Yeah.

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Whenever I needed, it's when I don't feel comfortable with certain proposals or if I

439
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do not know enough, I will either vote no or abstain.

440
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No if it's something that I feel that, okay, look, the proposal is clear cut.

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I can't agree with that.

442
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So it's a no.

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Abstain will be when I feel like I don't have enough information.

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So I wouldn't vote yes on hence, absolutely.

445
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So you abstain when you don't have enough information, you will vote no when you don't

446
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agree.

447
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Yes.

448
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Okay.

449
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There we go.

450
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There's our grading rubric.

451
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All right, let's, I'm going to follow that away for later because I know there's another

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question that builds off of that.

453
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Where are you?

454
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Oh, there we go.

455
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Okay.

456
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And in your delegate description, you list three things that you're going to represent

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people if they choose you as their delegate, prioritizing progress, protecting the treasury

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and make unpopular votes.

459
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Let's hit the first one.

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What, when you prioritize the progress of the ecosystem's future, what SIPs are and

461
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what SIPs aren't doing that?

462
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So I would say that a guiding principle for me in terms of prioritizing what the progress

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of the ecosystem, I would say that any initiatives that contribute to the enhancement of the

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end user's experience within Sandbox, primarily in GIMP, but also in real life, would be considered

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the progress.

466
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And more importantly, it also comes with a reasonable budget.

467
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Okay.

468
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And do you have any sort of idea what reasonable means there?

469
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So I think it depends on individual projects.

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It's hard to pinpoint what reasonable is considered across the board.

471
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Because for example, when you're creating experiences, if it's a one by one experience,

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you wouldn't be paying an author, say 250,000.

473
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That would be beyond a reasonable budget.

474
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Likewise, if you're holding an in real life event, it costs more, logistics, manpower

475
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and all that kind of stuff.

476
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So you expect to pay more.

477
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So yeah, I think it really goes into a case by case basis.

478
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Okay.

479
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I get it.

480
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Now that makes sense.

481
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And can you think of any SIPs right now that do not meet that definition of progress of

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the ecosystem's future?

483
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:38,760
So far, I don't think there is any.

484
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But we'll have to see in the future.

485
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I think so in terms of, like I said, getting what proposals come up for voting.

486
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Our team has done a fantastic job in filtering out proposals that may not benefit the sandbox

487
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as much.

488
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Okay.

489
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:07,040
So you'd say that all of them right now that you've seen are progressing, are progress

490
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of the ecosystem future?

491
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,000
Yeah, pretty much.

492
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,440
All right.

493
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,120
So the biggest question in my brain right now is, what about the ones you voted no against?

494
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,080
So voted no could be for a number of reasons.

495
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,240
Let me have a look.

496
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,440
So the last one you voted no for was staking budget.

497
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,440
Staking budget.

498
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,440
Oh yeah.

499
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:38,320
So with staking budget, honestly, if you ask me, the only reason why I voted no for staking

500
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budget is because I find that staking, I don't know, it doesn't feel like there is a direct,

501
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:52,560
it doesn't directly help in the progress of the sandbox ecosystem.

502
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:59,080
I feel that the budget that's allocated for staking can be allocated to active projects

503
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:08,080
that will directly contribute to the ecosystem rather than just giving it off because people

504
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are staking their sand and land.

505
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,880
Okay.

506
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,880
Got it.

507
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:26,000
And another one was you voted no on SIP 1 introducing the Sandbox DAO, which at that

508
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point in time, I mean, we were all trying to figure out what was happening.

509
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Right.

510
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:37,480
So I mean, okay, so the thing is with the Sandbox DAO, SIP 1, you kind of, or at least

511
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,840
for me, right, I kind of expected that there will be these confusion, especially from where

512
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,200
they were starting off from.

513
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,840
Most people I would say who are introduced to the Sandbox DAO will be very enthusiastic.

514
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,600
They will see, okay, look, this is new.

515
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,600
This is something novel.

516
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,720
We are moving at it with something that is on the Sandbox white paper for the longest

517
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:01,720
time.

518
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:08,840
And so, you know, I would expect that people would want to push this forward.

519
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,800
But then again, as I look through the proposal, you know, you notice a lot of issues such

520
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:22,280
as like there was no public consultation with the community.

521
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,240
There were no, I wouldn't say that there is any prominent community members that were

522
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,240
on board.

523
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,240
Yeah.

524
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,240
That would be nuts.

525
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,400
I wouldn't say it's a red flag, but maybe a brown one.

526
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:41,840
Yeah, so those, with all those little nitty gritty details, right, that were missed,

527
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,400
that I feel like it was also a missed opportunity to start off in a better foot.

528
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

529
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,080
That's a really good way to put it.

530
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,320
It seemed like a missed opportunity.

531
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,840
It wasn't that it was bad or wrong.

532
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,760
It just felt like a missed opportunity.

533
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,680
I like that word a lot.

534
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:06,840
Yeah, so the thing is that I don't feel that there were ill intentions when the DAO team,

535
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,440
along with the sandbox team, when they came up with the proposal, I'm pretty sure they

536
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:18,200
wanted to kickstart this whole process with solid ground, with people who across the board,

537
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,920
not just the sandbox ecosystem, but in the crypto space, they are well known.

538
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:31,000
So these are names that the full school of the crypto ecosystem are there.

539
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:37,640
Yeah, but I feel like it could have done better with personal touch, with community members

540
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,800
involved, with the community being reached prior to all this happening.

541
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,800
Got it.

542
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,800
Got it.

543
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,800
Okay.

544
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,800
And for the last three, that makes complete sense.

545
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:54,440
I'm with you, and I've heard a lot of the community reflect the same sentiment.

546
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,800
Some express a little bit angrier than that.

547
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,480
Others vote by not voting.

548
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,200
But I think it's a good middle ground.

549
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:10,840
So you realize once this starts, it really goes in all directions.

550
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Yeah, it can get crazy.

551
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,840
Everyone has a different way of interpreting stuff.

552
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,840
They have a different direction.

553
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:16,840
Okay.

554
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:22,120
And the last three, when you said you vote abstain, it means you don't have as much information.

555
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,120
So 15, 14, and 12, all of them were you voted abstain.

556
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,760
I'm sorry, 15, 14, 13.

557
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,920
And what about those proposals?

558
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,960
Did you not feel you had information?

559
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,000
So honestly, some of it I feel indifferent.

560
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:47,120
Like for example, SIP, let's see, we get from, was it 13 that I voted?

561
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,720
13 was run a feasibility study for NFT evolution.

562
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,520
That was the NFT drafts.

563
00:33:54,520 --> 00:34:01,200
Honestly, I have not much idea as to what the author is intending to do.

564
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,600
I kind of get what he's trying to do, the rationale behind it.

565
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:12,800
Beyond that, I don't exactly have a good idea of what's going on beyond in terms of execution

566
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,800
order.

567
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,800
Okay.

568
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,800
Okay.

569
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,800
Yeah.

570
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,800
And then you voted abstain on mine, in turn.

571
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,800
Yes, right?

572
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,800
I know.

573
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,800
How could I vote abstain?

574
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,520
But okay, in my defense, you were leading in a number of guesses.

575
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,520
I promise.

576
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,520
You don't have to defend yourself against me.

577
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,440
Yeah, I was just wondering, was it unclear what I was asking for?

578
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:44,200
No, actually, honestly, when I saw that, it's just, I feel like it's something that could

579
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,400
have been executed by the sandbox team.

580
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,400
Sure.

581
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,400
It's probably the reason.

582
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,400
Yeah.

583
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:56,360
So the battle may have been going straight to them with the feedback.

584
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,360
So it was not a no.

585
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,440
It was just something that I feel in terms of the approach, like it could have been entirely

586
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,600
directed to the sandbox team.

587
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,600
That's fair.

588
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,800
That is a fair point to make.

589
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,120
And what about the metaverse and disability?

590
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,120
Same thing.

591
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:21,560
I have not enough information for what the author intends to execute.

592
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,440
So I wouldn't say yes or no on that.

593
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,440
Okay.

594
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,560
And so I did podcasts on all of them.

595
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,760
Were they too long form?

596
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,760
What was about that?

597
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:40,920
Sorry, I didn't catch the last sentence because it kind of dropped off.

598
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,640
Yeah, I did podcasts on all of them when I asked them questions.

599
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,760
Can you tell me about how that flow?

600
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,280
Do I take too long or is it not visible or is it not relevant?

601
00:35:52,280 --> 00:36:00,040
Okay, if you ask me, maybe it's a little long.

602
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,600
So it's hard to capture key points.

603
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,600
That's a fair thing to say too.

604
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,600
Yeah.

605
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,600
That's a fair thing to say.

606
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:16,400
Because I think in this generation of stuff, everything is short form.

607
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,640
It's like, you know, get to the point.

608
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,520
No one information in the first minute.

609
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,520
That's fair.

610
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,240
So you don't know what you're talking about in the first one to two minutes.

611
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,520
Well, I appreciate that feedback.

612
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:37,680
With my current SIP for the Sandbox DAO, Sand DAO podcast, I mean, I want to hire some people

613
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,440
to make the key points videos because I'm just not gifted in that area.

614
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,600
I like the long form like we're doing right now, but I can understand that it's not very

615
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,680
digestible when it starts getting upwards like one, two, three hours even, some might

616
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:51,680
have been.

617
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,680
Yes.

618
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:53,680
No, I get it.

619
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:54,680
I get it.

620
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,680
I think that's a very fair thing to say.

621
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:56,680
Well, thank you for the feedback.

622
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,680
I appreciate that.

623
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,680
No worries.

624
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,680
That's how we all improve, right?

625
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,680
Yeah.

626
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,680
If there's no feedback, we will never know what's wrong and what's right.

627
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:09,040
What we're doing wrong, what we're doing, you know, what needs to be improved.

628
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,120
So number two aspect in your description says protecting the treasury.

629
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,880
How do you want to, how do you interpret when you use the word prudence and sensibility?

630
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,480
What does that mean?

631
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,920
So in terms of protecting treasury, right?

632
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:29,120
I'd say that, okay, let's maybe break down what, you know, the DAO, the two components,

633
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,400
well, at least this is the way I view the Sandbox DAO, right?

634
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,720
There are two primary components.

635
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:38,420
One cannot do without the other.

636
00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:42,240
On one hand, you have the people and its project, right?

637
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,560
And on the other, you have the treasury.

638
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:51,360
You can have a treasury worth a billion dollars, but without people participating and building,

639
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,360
right?

640
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,360
That treasury will be worth nothing.

641
00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Likewise, on the other hand, with all the people and its potential, but without the

642
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,360
treasury, it would just be a get-together essentially.

643
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:10,600
So no people and projects, no DAO, no money, no DAO.

644
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:18,400
So a core part of what I'm proposing is to protect the other half, which is the treasury,

645
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,480
because you know, funds, when there's money involved, you will have bad actors coming

646
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:31,600
in, portraying as, you know, people who are here for the ecosystem, you know, here for

647
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,800
community building and all that.

648
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,620
That's what I want to protect.

649
00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:41,340
So people who you don't believe are here for the right reasons are here to extract value

650
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:42,600
without giving anything in return?

651
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,880
Is that a fair way to say it?

652
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,880
Exactly.

653
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,880
Okay.

654
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:47,880
Yes.

655
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:55,680
So in terms of protecting the DAO with prudence and sensibility, right?

656
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:01,680
I think in terms of prudence and sensibility, we can put both components together and say

657
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,720
that, you know, for example, if a project comes in, they demand too much for too little

658
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:12,920
impact, would it be sensible to fund them?

659
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,920
You know, sometimes this kind of projects can sound good, right?

660
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,360
It can say, you know, you can promise the heavens and earth, but you know, the author

661
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:32,400
asks for $250,000 for such a project and we end up with little to no impact.

662
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,480
So yeah, that's what I intend to protect.

663
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,240
Okay.

664
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,480
I think that is very clear.

665
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,800
Very, very clear.

666
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,240
Thank you.

667
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:49,380
And for making unpopular votes, go ahead.

668
00:39:49,380 --> 00:39:51,160
What do you mean by that?

669
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,600
Yeah, so, you know, a good example would be SRT1.

670
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:02,520
I think that would be kind of like the, I hope, okay, so let me make this clear.

671
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:08,960
I hope that I do not need to make unpopular votes on a regular basis.

672
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:15,800
In fact, I hope that, you know, with the model that we have right now, with the sandbox down,

673
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:25,880
we are able to filter out bad actors early on and then we present feasible projects to

674
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,640
the community for them to vote.

675
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:36,720
But in the case where if the dial team says, okay, look, this is our parameter, we, according

676
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:41,680
to this parameter, we've checked on the project, everything checks out, you know, they come

677
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,120
out for proposal.

678
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:51,720
If I find that, you know, it might not be so simple, I will in an instant put no, even

679
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,720
if the majority says yes.

680
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:58,280
What was that last part, even if the what says yes?

681
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,600
So yeah, if, so if the proposal comes out, if I don't feel comfortable with it, even

682
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:11,360
if everybody's voting yes, I will not vote yes in support of it.

683
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,440
It's just a benign thing.

684
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,440
Yeah.

685
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,440
Okay.

686
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,440
You hear it.

687
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,460
You heard it here first, folks.

688
00:41:22,460 --> 00:41:28,040
If the intern does not feel comfortable, they will not vote the same way as everyone else.

689
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,960
And I think you could easily see that with with the voting history that the intern is

690
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,640
not at all afraid of voting no.

691
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:40,840
And it doesn't seem like it was like it's a punishment either you'd used on the ones

692
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,240
you didn't feel comfortable you voted no.

693
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:44,240
Yeah.

694
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,720
So, so yeah, I think you drive a good point there.

695
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:55,280
One thing I feel like is always commonly misinterpreted is that sometimes you know you're voting against

696
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,280
the order.

697
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:06,120
Sometimes, most of the times, you know, if the proposal is without malice, it's just

698
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,560
a proposal that doesn't sit well with whoever votes no.

699
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,960
Don't take it too personally, you know, there's always a chance to come back with a resubmission.

700
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,320
Yeah, that's a fair thing to say.

701
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,200
It can definitely feel personal.

702
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,960
Like I have to fight that against myself whenever mine didn't make quorum.

703
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,600
Like it felt, sometimes it felt personal that people didn't vote, not even just voting yes,

704
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,440
but didn't vote at all.

705
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,120
But then, you know, you kind of remind yourself that there's a lot of factors at play.

706
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,120
It might not.

707
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,800
It might not be because they don't like me or like me.

708
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,440
It might not have been the right thing for them to decide at the time.

709
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,440
Exactly.

710
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:50,560
Or it could be just, you know, at least something that I understand is that revolt going on

711
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,760
of like, you know, not voting to vote no.

712
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,760
Right?

713
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:07,200
To prevent proposals from hitting quorum, they decide not to vote so that, you know,

714
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,840
the proposal doesn't hit quorum and if it doesn't hit quorum, it doesn't pass and then

715
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,120
things go into a standstill.

716
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,440
Yeah, that's been happening for quite a while now.

717
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,920
But now, I don't think it's going to happen quite as often with each person getting two

718
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,920
million.

719
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,920
I am optimistic.

720
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,920
Yeah.

721
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:24,920
Let's go ahead.

722
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,920
Sorry.

723
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:33,640
Yeah, no, I was just, I thought that I got chopped off.

724
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,240
No, no, no.

725
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,080
And that two million changed the game.

726
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,320
I don't, I wasn't expecting it.

727
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,320
Were you expecting it?

728
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,320
No, not the strikers idea.

729
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:49,280
All I was expecting was just the opening, with the opening of the delegation that allows

730
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,080
anybody to delegate towards you.

731
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:58,280
And then I was expecting more of that, you know, once the delegates are out, they will

732
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:05,920
have to go on their own marketing campaign of sorts to get people, you know, to delegate

733
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:06,920
to them.

734
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:07,920
Yeah.

735
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:14,440
And then hopefully with that amount of extra votes, right, the delegates can push through

736
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,160
projects that are feasible and good.

737
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:26,000
And have you heard about whether it's land or sand or not either?

738
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:33,560
I assume that it's a mix because I think it comes from the main sandbox wallet, you know,

739
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,360
the one that everyone has been...

740
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,440
Oh, the 27 million one?

741
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,440
Oh, I'm sorry, not...

742
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,440
Yeah, I believe...

743
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,440
Was it 27 or 24?

744
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,440
I can't remember.

745
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:49,240
Yeah, right now, the one they vote, when sandbox vote, they vote with 27 million voting power.

746
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:50,240
Okay.

747
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,560
So I assume that it's coming from that wallet.

748
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,560
Okay.

749
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:00,960
Yeah, but they haven't given much details as to whether it is from there.

750
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:01,960
Okay.

751
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,600
So to me, I don't think it's that relevant.

752
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:12,200
Because anyway, the trucks of the issue these few months has always been that quorum hasn't

753
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:21,200
been hit and yet it upsets the community that the sandbox puts in their vote to hit quorum.

754
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,480
Yeah, that's been the source of disagreement as of late.

755
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,680
And now that you know that this 2 million is here, does it change your thought process

756
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,680
at all when it comes to voting?

757
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:38,880
Well, I think that right now, at least for me or even a majority of the delegates, you

758
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,760
will feel this responsibility on your shoulders.

759
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:50,000
Because now you're not just voting with your own VP, you're not just voting with people

760
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:56,040
who may have delegated to you, but you're also voting with 2 million voting powers as

761
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,040
well.

762
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,600
That's got to weigh on everyone's shoulders.

763
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,000
So you're not just voting with delegated power, you're also voting with what?

764
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:14,720
For example, right now, initially the talk was just that you will be using your own voting

765
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:21,520
power along with delegated VPs from say community members.

766
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:27,220
But now with that amount, you have that 2 million VP that is stacked up on it.

767
00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:32,000
So the responsibility on our shoulders is much heavier.

768
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,160
Gotcha.

769
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,200
So that responsibility increases.

770
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,200
Yeah.

771
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,200
Yes.

772
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,180
Do you think that it would change you to vote yes on something you would normally vote no

773
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:48,240
or abstain on or vice versa?

774
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:49,240
I don't know.

775
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:56,760
I think at the end of the day, for me, the principles have become clearer.

776
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:02,560
So right now, with that three points that I mentioned to you about, those are kind of

777
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,120
like the driving principles that I will vote based off on.

778
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:13,640
In the past, it's mainly reading through the proposal, asking yourself if it feels comfortable

779
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,400
with you, then yes, no, abstain.

780
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,400
Simple as that.

781
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:24,680
Right now, you have to go through this whole guiding principles and think a little more

782
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,680
clearly, a little more in depth.

783
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:27,680
Okay.

784
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,560
And that makes sense to me.

785
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:37,480
I was really interested after I saw that 2 million voting power being announced.

786
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:43,200
What does that do to your thought process when it comes to the delegates?

787
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,640
I think you've laid that out pretty reasonably that you feel that excess, that extra burden

788
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,680
and responsibility.

789
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,440
And I'm interested to kind of understand that as things unfold.

790
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,320
How much does it change, if anything at all?

791
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,920
Would you have voted no or yes on something without the 2 million?

792
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,280
But now that the 2 million feels, you feel the responsibility of that, did something

793
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,560
about that change your voting?

794
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,920
I'm super curious to understand how that plays out over time.

795
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:25,360
If anything, I think with that extra burden, I feel that I missed.

796
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,360
Yeah.

797
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:37,240
Because the thing is that sometimes with all these proposals, unless you get direct access

798
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:42,440
to the authors or the authors approach you to explain a breakdown, what's going to happen

799
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,440
and everything.

800
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,560
Most of us are facing off our decisions on it.

801
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:54,480
It's a single proposal, a single word proposal.

802
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,040
The only thing that helps is if we go through interviews, you get to know the authors better,

803
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,680
you get to know the reasoning behind it.

804
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,120
So absent of all that, it's hard to make a good decision.

805
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,680
And so that's where you talk about the burden, the responsibility resting on your shoulders.

806
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,680
Yes, exactly.

807
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,120
So, you know, last time if you voted, you're a fraction of what?

808
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,120
That 2 million or your own voting power, it will be a fraction of the 2 million.

809
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,360
You will think that, oh, maybe it doesn't matter that much if I vote yes and it comes

810
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,560
up wrong.

811
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,960
But you would hope that the majority sees the truth, right?

812
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,760
Yeah, got it.

813
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,000
That is so fascinating.

814
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000
Right on.

815
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,600
Thank you for for exploring that with me, intern.

816
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,160
I appreciate that.

817
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,880
I was wondering how to approach that.

818
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,640
So let's go with the type of SanFam voter that best fits your delegation style.

819
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,840
What are your thoughts on that?

820
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,320
Hmm, best fit.

821
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,800
That's a good question.

822
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:07,960
I think people who can relate to what I say, to the three points that I mentioned about,

823
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:14,520
I think those will be the ones because I mean, quite honestly, after seeing the voter profile

824
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:21,600
of the past 15 SIPs, you can see quite a wide variety of voters.

825
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,400
Some people vote because they feel that they love the proposal, regardless of how much

826
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,920
it costs.

827
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,160
Some people vote because of mainly the cost being a barrier.

828
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,520
Some people just, you know, they vote void based on ideals.

829
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:45,800
So for me, I think mainly the crop that I feel will be attracted to me will be the ones

830
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,520
who prioritize costing the finances.

831
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,800
Does that make sense?

832
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,280
Yeah, that makes sense.

833
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,920
Those who prioritize costing and finances, especially when you said talk about protecting

834
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:58,920
the treasury.

835
00:50:58,920 --> 00:50:59,920
Yes, exactly.

836
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:04,440
Because at the end of the day, the treasury isn't infinite.

837
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,440
Right.

838
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:11,920
And there's always a cap to how much we can spend before it runs out.

839
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,600
So when it runs out, it goes back to the point of me saying that if we have all the people

840
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,800
and projects, but no money, it's not a dollar anymore.

841
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,480
It's a gathering.

842
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,480
It's a dream.

843
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,480
Yes, it's a dream, right?

844
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:29,280
You will be dreaming of having this project and funding that proposal.

845
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,160
By then you realize you open your wallet and you see nothing in there.

846
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,160
And there's nothing there.

847
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,160
Yes, exactly.

848
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:40,680
And then when the right proposal comes along, you realize, oh, we don't have the money for

849
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,680
that.

850
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,680
Right.

851
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:43,680
That would be an injustice.

852
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,680
Makes sense.

853
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:50,280
So can you just recount back in your memory banks there, what was the delegate process

854
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,280
like for you getting through from beginning to now?

855
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,280
Okay.

856
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:01,840
So I think in terms of the delegate process for myself, I think it differs a little with

857
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:08,080
what most people would experience.

858
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:13,280
So in the beginning, there's the application for the delegate that's uniform across the

859
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,280
board.

860
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,400
Everyone has to apply through the formal process.

861
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:24,760
They have to give details about themselves, their socials, their point of views, and all

862
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,840
that, et cetera, et cetera.

863
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:34,280
And then I think in terms of the interview, because I do actually engage a lot on a consistent

864
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,960
basis with the sandbox team in Southeast Asia.

865
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:47,080
So mainly George and Belinda, who handles Southeast Asia and Singapore respectively.

866
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:56,800
So they kind of, I believe, vouch for my integrity.

867
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,480
And with that, I think they kind of endorsed me for the position.

868
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,480
Got it.

869
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:03,480
Got it.

870
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:04,480
Okay.

871
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,480
Yeah.

872
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:13,320
So I think that, you know, I mean, honestly, if you ask me, like interviews are great because

873
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,160
you get to hear the other person, but even with interviews, right, you know, honestly,

874
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:24,840
when we go for job interviews and all that, you tend to maybe not be a hundred percent

875
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:25,840
truthful.

876
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:32,920
So the only way to really prove is through regular engagements, you know, with the handle

877
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,560
stuff, with, you know, tied up together with the sandbox team.

878
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,440
They can see the way you perform, whether you can do it on time, whether you have integrity.

879
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:43,440
Yeah.

880
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:52,800
So I think that in a sense is, yeah, it was that experience that got me pushed through.

881
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:53,800
Gotcha.

882
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:54,800
And how did they tell you?

883
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,960
Was it via email or message or how?

884
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:01,440
You mean the results?

885
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,440
Yep.

886
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,280
How did you find out that you made it?

887
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,080
Oh, I found out through the webpage.

888
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,080
Same like everyone else.

889
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,080
Yeah.

890
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,080
Okay.

891
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,080
You know, when they announced it, everyone was like, oh, where is it?

892
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,080
Where is it?

893
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,280
Everyone found it through the sample style delegation.

894
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:23,320
There was no like, I don't think I resist the email.

895
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,320
Gotcha.

896
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,320
Yeah.

897
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:31,880
When I did the interview process, I really thought that there was an extra layer of understanding

898
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,320
and familiarity getting to articulate why I want to be a delegate.

899
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,680
And I got my response through email.

900
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,720
So they sent me an email and they explained, here's why we didn't select you.

901
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:46,120
And I thought that was really nice of them to do that.

902
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,120
Yeah.

903
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,120
Yeah.

904
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,120
I did.

905
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,640
I was like, well, no, I get it.

906
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:54,640
I get it.

907
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,880
So I appreciated that they took the time to write that to me.

908
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,800
Yeah, it definitely helps.

909
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,520
At least, you know, you feel like it's closure.

910
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,520
Right.

911
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:06,520
That's exactly right.

912
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,520
It felt like closure.

913
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,800
It felt like closure.

914
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,600
I felt like they were being very open about it.

915
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,840
And okay, even if I don't agree, at that point, I get it.

916
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,880
I understand.

917
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,000
So have you had to sign any additional agreements since becoming a delegate?

918
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,840
As of now, no.

919
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:27,840
Okay.

920
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:35,840
And I don't think they would want that, I would assume.

921
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:42,960
Because in light of the whole thing about favoritism and all the kind of issues that

922
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:53,560
people tend to imagine or tend to assume, I think signing any agreements would maybe

923
00:55:53,560 --> 00:56:00,640
feel like we are tied together with the Dow team, even though obviously we are all in

924
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:01,640
separate entities.

925
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,640
Yeah.

926
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,640
I get it.

927
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,320
We all have different beliefs and order.

928
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,320
Thanks.

929
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,320
Makes sense.

930
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,320
And last question, very important.

931
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,760
Actually, it just occurred to me as I was watching your wallet.

932
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,440
Don't you have to get a.eth account?

933
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:19,440
.eth name?

934
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,440
Oh, yes.

935
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,440
Nope, I don't have one.

936
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,440
I actually do have one main one.

937
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,440
So it's the hiddenwalls.eth.

938
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,440
But you're not going to use that to be your delegate vote?

939
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,440
Yeah, I'm probably not using that because the thing is that with the...

940
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:41,000
So like I said, because most of my lands are all segregated, so using the...

941
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:48,440
I've actually allocated this address that I've allocated as a delegate is actually also

942
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,160
kind of like the main address that I use for my land.

943
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,160
So are you going to get a new.eth name for your delegate wallet here?

944
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,160
Maybe, maybe.

945
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,160
Who knows?

946
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:08,160
I thought I read that you had to have a.eth name in order to get a delegate.

947
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,160
So yeah, I think...

948
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,880
The rationale behind it was that they want...

949
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:24,120
So whenever you vote, your name appears on the sit-in itself, on the snapshot.

950
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,120
That's what I think the rationale is.

951
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,120
But it just makes it easier for people to know that too.

952
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Okay.

953
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,120
Yeah.

954
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,120
All right.

955
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,120
So maybe we'll see.

956
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,120
So I think that the...

957
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:41,280
The thing is that with the snapshot, you can actually key in your name under your profile.

958
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,320
And I think that appears as well.

959
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,120
If I'm not wrong.

960
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,120
Okay.

961
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,280
So if you have to get one, you'll get one.

962
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,520
If not, then it'll be the wallet address that it's on the dashboard.

963
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,520
Yeah.

964
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:53,520
Okay.

965
00:57:53,520 --> 00:58:00,920
That is the last question we had, intern.

966
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:01,920
Are you excited?

967
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,200
Are you excited to be a delegate and start delegating?

968
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,200
Or whatever the verb is?

969
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,920
I am, I am.

970
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:15,880
So it feels like, even though we've only been a couple of months old, or a year old, but

971
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:27,160
it does feel like we're in a new era, delegation is always interesting.

972
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,640
It does feel like we've entered a new stage of the sandbox style.

973
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,200
I completely agree with that.

974
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,200
Yeah.

975
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:40,840
And I think that honestly, if you ask me, delegation helps a lot because going through

976
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:47,840
the central end, you see that voter fatigue is very rare.

977
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:53,800
People want to engage, but it's up for every single person, every single community member

978
00:58:53,800 --> 00:59:01,440
to on a consistent basis, to be reading through proposals.

979
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,440
It can get dry.

980
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,440
Gotcha.

981
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,440
Right.

982
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,680
So people will still want someone, they will still want to be involved.

983
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,120
They just want someone else to do the reading.

984
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,120
Yeah.

985
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:21,600
Someone else do the TLDR and just, yeah, just read it to me.

986
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:27,560
Something I wanted to touch on before we start to close out is there was a recent Medium

987
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:37,360
article on you just a couple of days ago at the Alpha Season 4 Creator Focus.

988
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,480
There was one sentence I wanted to ask you about.

989
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,720
You said that building is a big part of your identity outside of your usual work and it

990
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,040
was a stress reliever.

991
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,200
You mentioned earlier it was a stress reliever.

992
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:54,000
So what about is your, I know, I think now that you say talk about it being a big stress

993
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,760
reliever, I think maybe I have my answer.

994
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:57,760
Okay.

995
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,880
So you're looking for like the reason why I feel?

996
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:02,880
Yeah.

997
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,520
Why was it such a big part of your identity outside of your work?

998
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:08,520
Okay.

999
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:09,520
Yeah.

1000
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:15,840
So I think that stress reliever will be in a nutshell description.

1001
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:22,720
And I think that a lot, you see stuff like Roblox, a lot of the developers, most of them

1002
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:30,360
start off with just a basic computer, trying creative stuff, seeing what sticks, what interests

1003
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,000
them and then they go.

1004
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,000
Yeah.

1005
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,520
So I think it all boils down to that passion.

1006
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:41,520
Makes sense.

1007
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,960
I feel the same thing whenever I create.

1008
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:49,360
I've written novels and composed music and I feel that same, sometimes it's a stress

1009
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,880
reliever, but most of the time for me, it's just a passion.

1010
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,800
It's like a, it's like an urge to bring something out of it.

1011
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,560
And that's what it feels like to me.

1012
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:00,960
There's something there.

1013
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,040
There's something there I want to bring out into the world.

1014
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,840
The process is so much fun.

1015
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:13,080
It's like giving birth, except not too a baby.

1016
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,440
Yeah.

1017
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,720
So that was the last question I had.

1018
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,720
Was there anything that you wanted to cover?

1019
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,720
I think that's pretty much it.

1020
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,760
I think, let me.

1021
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:24,760
Yeah.

1022
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:33,000
So, okay, maybe this is something that I can go into something a little personal.

1023
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:40,520
I feel that now that for myself, I'm a delegate, my communication channels on X and this is

1024
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:46,080
always open to anyone and everyone, including the authors as well.

1025
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:52,520
It's good to have authors, you know, reach out to the delegates, explain the rationale

1026
01:01:52,520 --> 01:02:01,880
of the proposal, you know, be in a group setting or, you know, even in individual.

1027
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:08,080
And I just like to put it out there, you know, when I make decisions on as a delegate in

1028
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,080
the future, right.

1029
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:14,320
The initial decision is always based on the best of my knowledge.

1030
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,840
Right.

1031
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:21,120
So if the authors feel that something is not right, you know, they feel that maybe I can

1032
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:26,120
explain more or even if community members feel that, oh, why do you vote yes?

1033
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,760
Maybe you should vote no.

1034
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,240
My communication channels are always open.

1035
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:33,240
At the hidden walls X.

1036
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:39,080
Yeah, at the hidden walls X or 1010 on Discord.

1037
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,040
Or 1010 on Discord.

1038
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,040
Yep.

1039
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,040
Awesome.

1040
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,000
Well, thank you, intern.

1041
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,000
I appreciate that.

1042
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Appreciate that.

1043
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,440
Thank you for having me too.

1044
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,920
So there's something I want to make you aware of and I'll send this to you on Twitter or

1045
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:57,920
however.

1046
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:03,040
So there are some spaces that people gather at specifically, you know about the Discord,

1047
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,240
which is the DAO discussion channel, you know about the DAO forums, you know about Twitter,

1048
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,440
you know about the YouTube channels.

1049
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,600
What you may or may not know about are the X and Twitter spaces that happen where a lot

1050
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,900
of Sand Fam, I say a lot, different collections of Sand Fam will gather.

1051
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:26,040
On Monday, there's the Mochaverse hall and that's, they mostly talk about Sandbox and

1052
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:30,240
also they'll talk about Apecoin DAO.

1053
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,920
Then there's Bulls on the Block on Saturday.

1054
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,720
They talk about Sandbox and Apecoin DAO.

1055
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,040
They're also a landowner.

1056
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:41,320
They're a delegation, they're a delegate themselves for the Apecoin DAO.

1057
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:42,960
Monday through Friday is Coffee with Captain.

1058
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:49,840
They're primarily Apecoin, although if Sandbox delegates start showing up, they've talked

1059
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,000
about Sandbox in the past.

1060
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,720
And then there's Well Members who, you know, they're one of the largest landowners.

1061
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,980
They just started up their DAO, by the way, and I'm working on a proposal with them to

1062
01:04:00,980 --> 01:04:05,820
ensure that they vote on every single proposal in the future.

1063
01:04:05,820 --> 01:04:15,080
So there might be some synergy there when it comes to us participating in their DAO

1064
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:20,320
and now your delegation or other delegates might be able to have a voice in that.

1065
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:31,760
Yeah, now that you have 2 million of your own, it might not be such a big deal anymore,

1066
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,960
but in any case, they have a Twitter space on Tuesday.

1067
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:40,120
It's always good to listen in on what everyone's opinions are.

1068
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,760
It's good to have the exposure so that you can make better decisions.

1069
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:49,120
They have a Twitter space on Tuesday, and I imagine that as things and proposals for

1070
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:54,840
SIPs start going through voting floors, there might be some interesting places where you

1071
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,560
can talk about your views on there and just more channels to communicate.

1072
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,560
But anyways, wanted to share that.

1073
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:08,280
And I think we're just about good here.

1074
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,600
Thank you.

1075
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:10,600
Thank you for your time.

1076
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:15,600
I really appreciate you taking the time to come do this.

1077
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,960
No problem.

1078
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:23,800
And you know, anytime you want to have a podcast, you know, maybe down the road you can have

1079
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:30,880
a podcast with perhaps a few other of the delegates, four at one go, so that you can

1080
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:31,880
brainstorm on stuff.

1081
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:32,880
Yeah, that'd be great.

1082
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:33,880
That's a good idea.

1083
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:34,880
I didn't think about that.

1084
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:35,880
Like a delegate panel.

1085
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:36,880
Thinking out loud.

1086
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:37,880
Yeah.

1087
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:38,880
Yeah.

1088
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:39,880
All right, intern.

1089
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:47,120
Well, everyone, this is intern, also known as the hidden walls, also known as 1010, and

1090
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:55,260
big, big into prioritize the progress of the ecosystem and protecting the Treasury with

1091
01:05:55,260 --> 01:06:00,520
prudence and sensibility and making the unpopular vote when it's called for.

1092
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:06,740
And if that resonates with you, then please consider the intern as your delegate.

1093
01:06:06,740 --> 01:06:12,320
And on the website, you'll see it as the hidden walls has the mutant ape profile picture.

1094
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:17,440
Intern, thank you so much for your time and hope you have a wonderful weekend.

1095
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:18,440
Thank you.

1096
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,440
Thank you for having me.

1097
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:20,440
All right.

1098
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:42,800
Bye, Sam Fam.