All right, good morning Sandel Podcasts number 40.
We're in our 40th episode and today we're going to be doing an interview via text with
Kurt Schado also known as KCL.
This is our third delicate interview and our second text based interview.
We'll have an interview, our fourth one later on today with the hidden walls also known
as the intern.
But right now the focus is on Kurt Schado who is a well known community voice and has
been involved in Sam Fam for quite some time.
So today is about a meet and greet via text with Kurt Schado and a learning opportunity
to learn how Kurt Schado approaches voting as one of the 12 delegates.
I do not represent Sandbox Game or the Sandbox DAO Foundation.
I am not your legal or financial advisor and nothing I say is to be taken as financial
or legal advice.
When I say the word SIP I mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal.
When I say the word DAO I mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization.
When I say the word Sand Fam I'm talking about the Sandbox community who participates in
the people, product, and purpose of the Sandbox ecosystem.
The Sandbox ecosystem in my opinion is divided into these sectors of people, product, and
purpose.
All of those things come together to make the ecosystem go round and we are focusing
on the DAO delegates down here in the bottom left as part of that ecosystem and the people
sector.
Scoreboard and checkbook have not changed as the DAO team has been hard at work to ensure
the delegate system is launched and administered.
We expect they will be returning to the SIP process here soon.
For our road to DAO, what began on May 28th announced via Medium article.
Some months later on September 10th the DAO opens up delegation applications.
And November 13th, just five days ago, 12 DAO delegates were announced.
And that led us to today.
So as of today, about 30 minutes ago, the first Digging in the Sand podcast episode
was released on the Sandbox DAO YouTube channel.
I'll go over that at the end on Sandbox basis.
It was an interview with Cyril who is the current DAO administrator.
So that's pretty exciting.
Once I get through the DAO delegate interviews and have some time to re-root my thoughts,
I'll probably do a reaction video to this one as well.
So pretty exciting to see that.
But today is all about Kurchato, otherwise known as KCL.
And we'll get right into the discussion questions.
So as a reminder, all of these are text based and with Kurchato, to and from Kurchato.
So all of these are in Kurchato's words.
There were a little bit of improvements back and forth between Kurchato and I.
Kurchato is from France.
So that, yeah, just helping a little bit with the English language from words.
Okay, question number one, Kurchato's background.
My question was, Kurchato, what is your background that you'd like to share?
Kurchato responded that my first computer was an Atari 520ST.
And for those of you who have no idea what that is, there it is.
It's a really, really old, old computer.
You can see it has a floppy drive over here on the left, a keyboard that's attached to
a floppy drive with, I don't remember what connector that was, but it's the early old
type connector, I think the round one with the pens.
And then super old mouse and really big fat monitor.
So that's what an Atari 520ST looked like.
So that's Kurchato's first computer.
Kurchato is a scientist by education and has a desire to see things done.
Okay, the second question was, when did you become SanFam?
Kurchato said November 2022, and if we look into Kurchato's username and sandbox, which
is at Kurchato, you'll see has the certified Dow delegate text there.
It's like a cyborg human avatar.
Has over 100 lands and a few estates and the and keeping with Kurchato's periodic table
avatar and banner, each of Kurchato's lands has the some sort of element from the periodic
table.
So I think that's kind of unique.
That's cool.
So if I looks like yeah, Kurchato has a six by six and 123453 by threes with 100 land.
So if we were to calculate that.
So five three by threes is 45 lands one six by six is plus 36.
We're at 81 lands plus 107 one by ones is 188 lands total.
So there we go a little bit about Kurchato.
So the next question is, what has been your involvement in the sandbox community?
Kurchato said he's been a gamer landowner staker with an interest in the Dow concept.
Question four.
What was your motivation for applying to be a delegate?
Kurchato said, I start to grow my voting power with lands, and I would like to see the voting
power of the community grow with more engagement.
Question five.
How did you approach voting?
Kurchato said starting to be more engaged in the Dow at SIP five.
And look, I started reading full started to be more engaged in the Dow at SIP five before
I began learning what a Dow was.
I like to understand what I'm voting for.
If an author does not make an effort to explain to me, I will not vote in a positive way.
I do not like a lack of transparency.
So we break that apart a little bit.
Let's go to SIP number five was the Red Cross, which was by the sandbox.
And it ultimately did pass with a positive review from the special counsel.
And it was to offer a prize pool of 200,000 sand to the sandbox community in 2024 in order
to relaunch a charity event for the French Red Cross with the aim of selling NFTs and
raising awareness in the associations in the association's commitments.
So that was the first SIP that Kurchato noted that they really started to be more engaged
in the Dow.
Let's take a look at Kurchato's voting history.
We did this in just this past couple of episodes when we introduced all of them.
But Kurchato has voted in all 15 SIPs in the sandbox Dow.
That's the only Dow that Kurchato is listed in the sandbox to be a participant of.
As you can see, looks like a mostly yes vote with a few no's sprinkled in.
So no stranger to no votes by Kurchato, but mostly a supportive of what has come across
so far.
Okay, so that locks in question five.
Question six, are you involved in any other Dows?
Kurchato said no.
Question seven, what sort of SIPs do you not support?
Kurchato wrote, SIPs that are not clear.
Example, developer or creator speaking in coded language with acronyms.
I like innovation, but it needs to be used to solve a problem.
No business case or no benefit means no money.
So there you go.
Kurchato is very interested in ensuring that SIPs are clear and that people who write SIPs
are not speaking in some sort of foreign, not foreign, speaking in some sort of coded
language.
It's hard to decipher what the SIP is really about.
And Kurchato really likes innovation, but needs to be solving a problem.
Without a business case or benefit means no money.
Next question, question eight, your delegate description mentions Web 3 property.
How is this important to you?
And when I refer to that, when I did the introduction of all 12 delegates and I read their profiles,
that's the delegate description that I'm referring to.
And I have it again over here on the left where it talks about, I entered TSB as a gamer
and found out the power of Web 3 about property.
I am now as well a landowner with over 150 lands and will be diligent bringing the view
of landowners on the different SIPs ensuring that value is created fairly to all communities
of the SanFam and with a long-term horizon.
So that's what I'm referring to when I ask this question.
The description mentions Web 3 property.
How is this important to you?
Kurchato wrote, I am fascinated by blockchain technology, which allows the property of a
digital asset to be given and made unique.
I am also convinced that digital identity and reputation become the norm in the future
to certify articles, news, media source, digital art.
Question 9.
Your delegate description mentions bringing the view of landowners.
What view will you bring?
Kurchato wrote, it is important to develop well-branded neighborhoods and districts and
I would like to see the in-game connection between lands.
Those two features will boost the land economics like real estate or renting.
Question 10.
Your delegate description mentions fair value across all communities.
How do you approach this?
Kurchato wrote, TSB should be developed to allow healthy economics for all types of communities.
The SIPs should not be all in direction of one community.
Question 11.
Your delegate description mentions a long-term horizon.
What long-term horizon do you envision?
Kurchato wrote, at least five years, I am not interested in short-term profit.
Question 12.
What type of SanFam voter best fits your delegation style?
Kurchato wrote, I have no preferred style for delegation.
Anyone who wants to delegate can contact me.
So Kurchato seems open to anyone and everyone.
And that kind of goes along well with what Kurchato wrote earlier, which TSB should be
developed to allow healthy economics for all community types, not just one community in
particular.
So where Kurchato in the beginning mentioned about land, wanting to see the voting power
of the community grow with more engagement, and then down here mentioned land.
Where in question nine Kurchato mentioned that it's important to develop well-branded
neighborhoods and districts and would like to see the in-game connection between lands
and boosting land economics.
Kurchato does say later on that doesn't want to only feature, doesn't believe that only
one community, the ships should be in one community, like landowners, and is open to
anyone contacting Kurchato because Kurchato doesn't believe that any one type of SanFam
voter is the best fit.
They all are.
All right, so question 13.
What was the delegate process like for you?
Kurchato wrote, filled out an application form and had a 45-minute interview with Cyril
and Fon.
Okay, simple enough.
Same process I went through, it was just a little bit more.
And we learned with Secret Mial that the Secret Mial or SEVGA just revealed that they were
contacted via form, that they had been selected.
And then 14, the 12 million voting power that was just delegated, were you expecting this?
Kurchato said, no, it came out of the blue and was not pre-informed about that.
I realize I forgot my sub-question here.
So let's go ahead and enter that now.
There we go.
So my sub-question, my follow-up to 14 was, does having 2 million voting power change
your approach or the way you will vote?
Kurchato said, not really, but it is showing that the sandbox DAO wants to empower the
delegates.
Question 15.
Have you had to sign any agreements to be a delegate?
Kurchato wrote, only an online form to fill and click a tick box that you will respect
the code of conduct, but for sure no digital signature.
So Kurchato saying that no extra agreements have had to be signed.
And that, I'm happy to see that.
I was interested in if that was happening.
I've seen that happen in other DAOs.
Like I mentioned, I'm a part of about nine DAOs now and active in five of them.
So I'm seeing, you know, sometimes there are extra agreements that are laid on people who
are given any sort of power and authority.
And it could be a special counsel, it could be a delegate, it could be some sort of service
provider, but extra agreements and layers of responsibilities and code of conducts are
laid on different people and different DAOs.
So I was wondering if that was happening here.
And it seems like across the board so far with the three that we've interviewed that
no, that's not happening.
So I'm very happy to see that.
And that concludes our last question.
So we didn't have any community questions.
I didn't have any open topics to discuss.
And for episodes, we just finished 30, oops, it's not right.
I've been changing so much.
There we go.
All right.
So we just finished episode 40 with Kurt Schado, otherwise known as KCL.
Later on today, we'll have a delegate interview live with the Hidden Walls, also known as
the intern, and then tomorrow on Monday, we'll have a live interview with Robbie.Eath, otherwise
known as Crypto Diplo.
So a lot of episodes coming up, a lot of delegates interview, and I'm scheduling them as fast
as possible so that we can all understand who is who and what they stand for.
I have some interviews coming up with my Lessons from Other DAOs mini series, Bankless DAO,
known as Black Flag DAO, and then one of DAO Times former writer, DAO Times covers DAOs
all over the place.
But I'll be interviewing with Clement, a former writer with DAO Times, to see his observations
on what he's covered and his time as a journalist.
I'll continue the delegate interviews.
And I have a DAO Constitution, articles of association.
It's really articles and memos of association, which are the founding documents for the Sandbox
DAO Foundation.
I'll be doing a deep dive into that.
And also a follow-up with Magic Palette, and I'll put here, follow-up with Sandbox Academy
with Mark.
Okay, so if you are a delegate, the places that we gather as Sandfam, they include on
Discord in the DAO Discussion channel or the Sandbox DAO forums, or hashtag Sandfam, hashtag
the Sandbox DAO, hashtag Sandbox Game.
And then there's also some YouTube channels.
So the Sandbox DAO YouTube channel, which just released its first podcast episode about
half an hour ago, and Lancer YT, which is where I publish all the Sand DAO podcasts,
and then Sandfam Cafe, which is a monthly sandbox interview with Bruno, a pickaxe master
as a host.
On Mondays, there's Mochaverse Hall.
They do Twitter xBase on Bulls on the Block.
On Saturdays, they do Sandbox and 8-coin DAO, whereas Mochaverse Hall, they do Mocha DAO
and Forbes and Sandbox and 8-coin DAO.
Monday through Friday is Coffee with Captain.
It's primarily 8-coin DAO.
Sometimes they cover the sandbox.
And then Whale Members on Tuesdays with Natively Digital, they are also on Twitch and Twitter.
I'm now going to see if someone is on the Sandbox category to raid and Twitch.
This looks like someone's online.
Sebga!
Sebga's online.
Alright, we're going to raid Sebga.
Alright, the raid for Sebga has been created.
Thank you all for your time.
Today's episode was about Kurt Trotto, otherwise known as KCL, one of the 12 DAO delegates
that was just announced about five days ago.
And hope you all have a great day, and I'll see you all for the next interview.