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All right, good morning Sandel Podcasts number 40.

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We're in our 40th episode and today we're going to be doing an interview via text with

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Kurt Schado also known as KCL.

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This is our third delicate interview and our second text based interview.

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We'll have an interview, our fourth one later on today with the hidden walls also known

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as the intern.

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But right now the focus is on Kurt Schado who is a well known community voice and has

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been involved in Sam Fam for quite some time.

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So today is about a meet and greet via text with Kurt Schado and a learning opportunity

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to learn how Kurt Schado approaches voting as one of the 12 delegates.

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I do not represent Sandbox Game or the Sandbox DAO Foundation.

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I am not your legal or financial advisor and nothing I say is to be taken as financial

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or legal advice.

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When I say the word SIP I mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal.

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When I say the word DAO I mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization.

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When I say the word Sand Fam I'm talking about the Sandbox community who participates in

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the people, product, and purpose of the Sandbox ecosystem.

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The Sandbox ecosystem in my opinion is divided into these sectors of people, product, and

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purpose.

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All of those things come together to make the ecosystem go round and we are focusing

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on the DAO delegates down here in the bottom left as part of that ecosystem and the people

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sector.

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Scoreboard and checkbook have not changed as the DAO team has been hard at work to ensure

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the delegate system is launched and administered.

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We expect they will be returning to the SIP process here soon.

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For our road to DAO, what began on May 28th announced via Medium article.

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Some months later on September 10th the DAO opens up delegation applications.

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And November 13th, just five days ago, 12 DAO delegates were announced.

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And that led us to today.

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So as of today, about 30 minutes ago, the first Digging in the Sand podcast episode

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was released on the Sandbox DAO YouTube channel.

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I'll go over that at the end on Sandbox basis.

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It was an interview with Cyril who is the current DAO administrator.

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So that's pretty exciting.

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Once I get through the DAO delegate interviews and have some time to re-root my thoughts,

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I'll probably do a reaction video to this one as well.

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So pretty exciting to see that.

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But today is all about Kurchato, otherwise known as KCL.

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And we'll get right into the discussion questions.

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So as a reminder, all of these are text based and with Kurchato, to and from Kurchato.

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So all of these are in Kurchato's words.

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There were a little bit of improvements back and forth between Kurchato and I.

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Kurchato is from France.

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So that, yeah, just helping a little bit with the English language from words.

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Okay, question number one, Kurchato's background.

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My question was, Kurchato, what is your background that you'd like to share?

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Kurchato responded that my first computer was an Atari 520ST.

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And for those of you who have no idea what that is, there it is.

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It's a really, really old, old computer.

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You can see it has a floppy drive over here on the left, a keyboard that's attached to

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a floppy drive with, I don't remember what connector that was, but it's the early old

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type connector, I think the round one with the pens.

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And then super old mouse and really big fat monitor.

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So that's what an Atari 520ST looked like.

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So that's Kurchato's first computer.

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Kurchato is a scientist by education and has a desire to see things done.

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Okay, the second question was, when did you become SanFam?

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Kurchato said November 2022, and if we look into Kurchato's username and sandbox, which

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is at Kurchato, you'll see has the certified Dow delegate text there.

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It's like a cyborg human avatar.

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Has over 100 lands and a few estates and the and keeping with Kurchato's periodic table

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avatar and banner, each of Kurchato's lands has the some sort of element from the periodic

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table.

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So I think that's kind of unique.

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That's cool.

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So if I looks like yeah, Kurchato has a six by six and 123453 by threes with 100 land.

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So if we were to calculate that.

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So five three by threes is 45 lands one six by six is plus 36.

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We're at 81 lands plus 107 one by ones is 188 lands total.

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So there we go a little bit about Kurchato.

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So the next question is, what has been your involvement in the sandbox community?

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Kurchato said he's been a gamer landowner staker with an interest in the Dow concept.

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Question four.

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What was your motivation for applying to be a delegate?

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Kurchato said, I start to grow my voting power with lands, and I would like to see the voting

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power of the community grow with more engagement.

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Question five.

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How did you approach voting?

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Kurchato said starting to be more engaged in the Dow at SIP five.

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And look, I started reading full started to be more engaged in the Dow at SIP five before

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I began learning what a Dow was.

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I like to understand what I'm voting for.

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If an author does not make an effort to explain to me, I will not vote in a positive way.

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I do not like a lack of transparency.

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So we break that apart a little bit.

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Let's go to SIP number five was the Red Cross, which was by the sandbox.

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And it ultimately did pass with a positive review from the special counsel.

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And it was to offer a prize pool of 200,000 sand to the sandbox community in 2024 in order

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to relaunch a charity event for the French Red Cross with the aim of selling NFTs and

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raising awareness in the associations in the association's commitments.

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So that was the first SIP that Kurchato noted that they really started to be more engaged

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in the Dow.

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Let's take a look at Kurchato's voting history.

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We did this in just this past couple of episodes when we introduced all of them.

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But Kurchato has voted in all 15 SIPs in the sandbox Dow.

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That's the only Dow that Kurchato is listed in the sandbox to be a participant of.

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As you can see, looks like a mostly yes vote with a few no's sprinkled in.

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So no stranger to no votes by Kurchato, but mostly a supportive of what has come across

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so far.

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Okay, so that locks in question five.

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Question six, are you involved in any other Dows?

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Kurchato said no.

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Question seven, what sort of SIPs do you not support?

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Kurchato wrote, SIPs that are not clear.

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Example, developer or creator speaking in coded language with acronyms.

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I like innovation, but it needs to be used to solve a problem.

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No business case or no benefit means no money.

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So there you go.

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Kurchato is very interested in ensuring that SIPs are clear and that people who write SIPs

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are not speaking in some sort of foreign, not foreign, speaking in some sort of coded

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language.

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It's hard to decipher what the SIP is really about.

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And Kurchato really likes innovation, but needs to be solving a problem.

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Without a business case or benefit means no money.

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Next question, question eight, your delegate description mentions Web 3 property.

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How is this important to you?

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And when I refer to that, when I did the introduction of all 12 delegates and I read their profiles,

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that's the delegate description that I'm referring to.

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And I have it again over here on the left where it talks about, I entered TSB as a gamer

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and found out the power of Web 3 about property.

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I am now as well a landowner with over 150 lands and will be diligent bringing the view

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of landowners on the different SIPs ensuring that value is created fairly to all communities

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of the SanFam and with a long-term horizon.

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So that's what I'm referring to when I ask this question.

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The description mentions Web 3 property.

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How is this important to you?

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Kurchato wrote, I am fascinated by blockchain technology, which allows the property of a

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digital asset to be given and made unique.

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I am also convinced that digital identity and reputation become the norm in the future

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to certify articles, news, media source, digital art.

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Question 9.

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Your delegate description mentions bringing the view of landowners.

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What view will you bring?

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Kurchato wrote, it is important to develop well-branded neighborhoods and districts and

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I would like to see the in-game connection between lands.

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Those two features will boost the land economics like real estate or renting.

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Your delegate description mentions fair value across all communities.

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How do you approach this?

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Kurchato wrote, TSB should be developed to allow healthy economics for all types of communities.

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The SIPs should not be all in direction of one community.

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Question 11.

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Your delegate description mentions a long-term horizon.

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What long-term horizon do you envision?

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Kurchato wrote, at least five years, I am not interested in short-term profit.

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Question 12.

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What type of SanFam voter best fits your delegation style?

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Kurchato wrote, I have no preferred style for delegation.

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Anyone who wants to delegate can contact me.

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So Kurchato seems open to anyone and everyone.

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And that kind of goes along well with what Kurchato wrote earlier, which TSB should be

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developed to allow healthy economics for all community types, not just one community in

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particular.

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So where Kurchato in the beginning mentioned about land, wanting to see the voting power

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of the community grow with more engagement, and then down here mentioned land.

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Where in question nine Kurchato mentioned that it's important to develop well-branded

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neighborhoods and districts and would like to see the in-game connection between lands

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and boosting land economics.

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Kurchato does say later on that doesn't want to only feature, doesn't believe that only

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one community, the ships should be in one community, like landowners, and is open to

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anyone contacting Kurchato because Kurchato doesn't believe that any one type of SanFam

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voter is the best fit.

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They all are.

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All right, so question 13.

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What was the delegate process like for you?

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Kurchato wrote, filled out an application form and had a 45-minute interview with Cyril

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and Fon.

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Okay, simple enough.

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Same process I went through, it was just a little bit more.

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And we learned with Secret Mial that the Secret Mial or SEVGA just revealed that they were

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contacted via form, that they had been selected.

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And then 14, the 12 million voting power that was just delegated, were you expecting this?

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Kurchato said, no, it came out of the blue and was not pre-informed about that.

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I realize I forgot my sub-question here.

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So let's go ahead and enter that now.

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There we go.

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So my sub-question, my follow-up to 14 was, does having 2 million voting power change

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your approach or the way you will vote?

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Kurchato said, not really, but it is showing that the sandbox DAO wants to empower the

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delegates.

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Have you had to sign any agreements to be a delegate?

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Kurchato wrote, only an online form to fill and click a tick box that you will respect

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the code of conduct, but for sure no digital signature.

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So Kurchato saying that no extra agreements have had to be signed.

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And that, I'm happy to see that.

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I was interested in if that was happening.

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I've seen that happen in other DAOs.

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Like I mentioned, I'm a part of about nine DAOs now and active in five of them.

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So I'm seeing, you know, sometimes there are extra agreements that are laid on people who

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are given any sort of power and authority.

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And it could be a special counsel, it could be a delegate, it could be some sort of service

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provider, but extra agreements and layers of responsibilities and code of conducts are

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laid on different people and different DAOs.

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So I was wondering if that was happening here.

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And it seems like across the board so far with the three that we've interviewed that

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no, that's not happening.

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So I'm very happy to see that.

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And that concludes our last question.

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So we didn't have any community questions.

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I didn't have any open topics to discuss.

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And for episodes, we just finished 30, oops, it's not right.

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I've been changing so much.

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There we go.

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So we just finished episode 40 with Kurt Schado, otherwise known as KCL.

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Later on today, we'll have a delegate interview live with the Hidden Walls, also known as

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the intern, and then tomorrow on Monday, we'll have a live interview with Robbie.Eath, otherwise

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known as Crypto Diplo.

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So a lot of episodes coming up, a lot of delegates interview, and I'm scheduling them as fast

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as possible so that we can all understand who is who and what they stand for.

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I have some interviews coming up with my Lessons from Other DAOs mini series, Bankless DAO,

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known as Black Flag DAO, and then one of DAO Times former writer, DAO Times covers DAOs

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all over the place.

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But I'll be interviewing with Clement, a former writer with DAO Times, to see his observations

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on what he's covered and his time as a journalist.

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I'll continue the delegate interviews.

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And I have a DAO Constitution, articles of association.

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It's really articles and memos of association, which are the founding documents for the Sandbox

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DAO Foundation.

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I'll be doing a deep dive into that.

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And also a follow-up with Magic Palette, and I'll put here, follow-up with Sandbox Academy

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with Mark.

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Okay, so if you are a delegate, the places that we gather as Sandfam, they include on

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Discord in the DAO Discussion channel or the Sandbox DAO forums, or hashtag Sandfam, hashtag

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the Sandbox DAO, hashtag Sandbox Game.

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And then there's also some YouTube channels.

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So the Sandbox DAO YouTube channel, which just released its first podcast episode about

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half an hour ago, and Lancer YT, which is where I publish all the Sand DAO podcasts,

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and then Sandfam Cafe, which is a monthly sandbox interview with Bruno, a pickaxe master

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as a host.

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On Mondays, there's Mochaverse Hall.

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They do Twitter xBase on Bulls on the Block.

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On Saturdays, they do Sandbox and 8-coin DAO, whereas Mochaverse Hall, they do Mocha DAO

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and Forbes and Sandbox and 8-coin DAO.

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Monday through Friday is Coffee with Captain.

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It's primarily 8-coin DAO.

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Sometimes they cover the sandbox.

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And then Whale Members on Tuesdays with Natively Digital, they are also on Twitch and Twitter.

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I'm now going to see if someone is on the Sandbox category to raid and Twitch.

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This looks like someone's online.

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Sebga!

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Sebga's online.

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Alright, we're going to raid Sebga.

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Alright, the raid for Sebga has been created.

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Thank you all for your time.

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Today's episode was about Kurt Trotto, otherwise known as KCL, one of the 12 DAO delegates

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that was just announced about five days ago.

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And hope you all have a great day, and I'll see you all for the next interview.