Hello everyone.
We are now in Send Out Podcast number 38.
I was not expecting to be doing these two days ago, but we adapt and with the new announcement
of the 12 delegates, let's learn about them.
So this little mini series right now, podcast 37 was covering the delegates that were announced
just a day or two ago.
The 12 of them, we did a read through of their profiles, but for this next 12ish episodes,
we're going to be bringing on as many of them as we can, starting first here with Sebka,
who is a well-known name in the community, and with the return of our interpreter, Valentina,
who some of you may remember back in, it was with the Meta Futura, they were, it was episode
number 24 when we did sip number 15 with the Meta Futura and the Metaverse and Disability
hiring.
So she's back, she'll be interpreting French with Sebka, and he'll be speaking in French,
and we will just have a back and forth through that.
Hello everyone, welcome to podcast 38.
I told you hello and good afternoon.
We didn't expect to do these podcasts two days ago, but we adapt and adapt because we
announced the 12 new delegates.
So we're going to learn a little bit about that.
Podcast number 37, we talked about the 12 delegates, we talked a little bit about their
bio, basic information, but in the next 12 episodes of the podcast, we're going to talk
more specifically about each delegate.
So today we have Sebka with us, he's the first one we're going to have here in the
podcast, and we also have the interpretation.
Valentina is back with us.
Maybe you remember her because she interpreted with Meta Futura, it was episode 24 with
sip number 15 on disability with Meta Futura and our Italian guests.
Today she's going to interpret in French with Sebka and we're going to give everyone
access to the French-speaking world to be able to understand today's podcast.
So hello Sebka.
Hello, hello.
I'm super happy to be here, to do this international podcast, to make it accessible to the French-speaking
community.
Thank you for the opportunity to introduce yourself.
Hi everyone, I'm so happy to be here, happy to be part of this international podcast and
also to give accessibility to all this French-speaking world.
So thank you for the opportunity and really happy to be here.
Awesome, awesome.
So today the scope of the talk is a meet and greet with Sebka and a learning opportunity
to learn about Sebka, what he intends to bring to the community as a delegate and his voting
rights.
So disclaimer, we, all three of us, do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox
style foundation.
Actually, wait, Sebka, is that right?
You're not representing the sandbox style foundation in any way, correct?
Yes, correct.
We do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox style foundation.
We are not your financial or legal advisors.
What any of us say is to be taken as financial legal advice.
When I say the word SIP, I mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal.
When I say the word DAO, I mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization.
And when I say this word SANFAM, I'm talking about the sandbox community, those who participate
in the people, products and purpose of the ecosystem.
Perfect, wonderful.
So today, the goal is to get to know and to get to know Sebka.
We're going to learn who Sebka is and what he's going to do as a delegate and with his
voting rights.
As a disclaimer, as an announcement before we start, we two, Sebka and Lancer, are not
representing the game, but we are not representing the DAO foundation.
We are not financial and legal advisors.
And when I say SIP, I mean the Sandbox Improvement Proposal.
When I say DAO, I mean Decentralized Autonomous Organization.
And when I say SANFAM, I mean the sandbox community, those who participate in the people,
products and purpose of the ecosystem.
That's it.
And I know I show this slide now as of episode 31, ecosystem.
We're talking about the people, product and the purpose.
And for our purposes today, we're down there in the bottom left, the DAO delegates was
included in episode 31 as part of the people.
We knew they were coming.
We didn't know when.
Here they are.
So that's the topic of today.
Perfect.
So today's goal is, how to talk about it?
In episode 31, we talked about the ecosystem.
The ecosystem is made of people, products and goals.
And so in the bottom left, we see that we have the 12 new delegates.
And this is now part of the people of the ecosystem.
So it's important to understand that.
The 12 delegates are a new part of the ecosystem as a person.
And the scoreboard and the checkbook have not changed.
So we'll just go right past them because the DAO admin team has been working hard to make
sure the delegates are announced as they are now.
So we're going to proceed right here to the road to the DAO.
And so the road to the DAO, the only two of interests that I'm going to do it on here
is May 28th, the DAO was announced and November 13th, the first DAO delegates were announced.
So this is where we are in the timeline.
And let's get right to the introductions.
So I'm the host, Lancer, and president of the MetaWorld.
So I do land ownership and also we have two experiences and that'll be me.
I'll just stop there.
And Sebga, welcome.
It's great that you're here.
Could you please give us an introduction about yourself?
Welcome Sebga.
It's great that you're here.
Can you introduce yourself to everyone?
Hello everyone, I'm Sebga.
I'm an artist, creator of games as well.
I use the tools Voxedit, GameMaker, Magic Palette which will be coming soon, and land
ownership as well.
I've published a few experiences.
I'm a game developer, I'm a game developer at the moment.
I'm a game developer at the moment.
I use tools like Voxedit, GameMaker, Magic Palette which is coming, and I also own some
lands.
So basically, yeah, that's me.
So Sebga, let's start first into the questions.
You're an artist, you're a game creator, you're a landowner, you're a well-known voice in
the community.
Can you please share with us a little bit about your background?
Perfect.
So Sebga, we'll start now with the questions.
You're an artist, you're a game developer, and you're also a land owner.
Can you please give us a little bit of context regarding your biography in the game?
Okay.
So in general, I arrived in Web3 in 2017, and I discovered Sandbox in 2020.
In fact, the first land I acquired, I acquired it on a Voxedit contest, and I found myself
actually winning that.
Seb sent me a message on Discord.
I had to see the message three months later, and I replied to him.
I said, hey, that's great.
The land is still available.
He laughed, but of course he sent me the land.
And then the adventure continued from there.
And more recently, I got involved a lot more in Sandbox because I found that there was
a big evolution with the tools.
Although we still expect more, I think the tools have evolved well, and it allows us
to really be creative and have fun and see further.
All right.
Well, so my adventure, let's say, started in Web3 in 2017.
I was actually on Discord, I think I received a message or something from Sandbox.
I think I got to Sandbox in 2020, and the first land, I won it in Voxedit.
And I got a message to Discord.
I think I saw it three months after that, and I was like, oh, I won a land.
Can I still get it?
Is it still available?
And they answered literally by laughing.
And that's how the adventure started with Sandbox.
And recently I got way more engaged.
So in Sandbox, I saw that it was like a big evolution of progress with tools.
I know we're expecting more, we're waiting for more.
But at the same time, the progress that we already saw allows us to have creativity,
to have fun, to play with things.
So yeah, that's it.
That makes sense.
Thank you.
I think that answers the question.
When you became Sandfam, so that was 2020.
So in terms of other Sandfam, you are an old, old grandpa, Sebga.
OK, so that makes sense.
Thank you for the answer.
We actually had a question when you joined the Sandbox family.
But I think you already answered, it's 2020.
So this is a bit like a great-grandfather of the Sandbox family, isn't it?
I've been in Sandbox for a while now.
Now I have less experience than some people in the community who have been building since 2020.
Or maybe even before.
I was really creating assets.
I was having fun on Boxedit.
Game Maker didn't run on my computer at the time.
So even though I would have liked to, I was stuck.
And so I see in relation to some that I have less experience, actually.
But yes, I'm here and I've been monitoring the ecosystem for a long time already.
So yeah, I would say that I have less experience.
But at the same time, I have been surveilling, let's say, the ecosystem since 2020, indeed.
OK, gotcha.
Yeah, that's OK.
I mean, just the fact that you've been involved for that long, you have a lot of experience and history to know what the community wants, expects,
and being able to be a voice for the community, of which a delegate is, that's one of your responsibilities as far as I understand it.
What has, actually I'll stop there for interpretation.
OK, so that's great.
Indeed, maybe you don't have experience like that, but you have experience from many years on the platform.
So that gives you enough experience to be able to understand and think about what the community wants.
Because indeed, if we have understood, if I have understood, the delegates have a little bit of this responsibility to show what the community wants in the game.
Yes, I understand and I share this vision.
That is to say that I believe that the most important thing is to have a vision as global as possible and which allows all actors to meet.
However, I have the vision of an artist, creator, owner of the land, but you still have to try to take into account,
it's not even trying, it's taking into account the point of view of the gamer, for example.
Because I am a gamer by the force of things, but I am not a real player.
That's what I mean.
Yes, so I agree and I share your point of view.
I think the most important thing is that we need to acknowledge and represent the global vision of all stakeholders.
So allow stakeholders, everyone implied in the game and in the world to have a say, let's say.
So yes, I have a point of view.
My vision is landowner and gamer, but I acknowledge that point of view because I am a gamer.
I ended up being a gamer, but I'm not such a gamer as someone else.
So I still need to represent their point of view.
And how do you as a delegate, do you want to represent those points of view?
And as a delegate, how do you want to represent these points of view, this vision?
So, precisely, I was listening to the translation and let me try to think in French correctly.
So the idea is to already put forward the artists who are involved in sandbox.
To give you an example, I would tend to go more towards SIPs where it will hire artists who are already involved in sandbox
than artists who would like to enter sandbox.
I'm not against new arrivals, on the contrary, we need to reward the commitment, the involvement.
So it would already be the creative, artistic side, but not only because it's there.
In this case, I'm talking about pastel between the IRL and the metaverse.
But it's also what is creative in terms of game creation, that is to say, game developers.
It's clearly the development of software, if we can talk like that, even when it comes from no code, from blueprint, it's from creation.
All this magic that happens on sandbox, creators at all levels, I would put that further forward.
Everything that would go towards the improvement of tools to allow better construction,
to better articulate our economic models that everyone can create because there are a thousand models and we need tools that are fairly versatile.
Beyond that, certainly keeping an open mind for all the new proposals that I don't even think about right now,
but I'm sure some are already in their heads and are ready to put on the table.
I think that we need to include them as well. It's a big world. We can include them.
But I would go towards thanking and acknowledging the engagement and the application of the artists who are already in the platform.
So we know IRL, metaverse, we know that there's creativity, and we know that gaming developers and software developments,
even if there's no code, so if we can call them software or game developers, there's a lot of magic happening in sandbox.
We need to acknowledge that. We need to acknowledge that even more.
I would tend to support that. I would tend to support ideas that improve the tools that we have.
So best artists, we know that there's a lot of possibilities in economical models.
There are thousands of models and we can have polyvalent tools.
I'm open to all of that, to support that, but also I want to stay open to all new propositions because there's a lot of ideas that I don't even have any clue about,
and people are already prepared and ready and eager to support that. So I am open to that as well.
Awesome. Awesome. Okay. Thank you for that.
Merci beaucoup.
What was, Sevga, what was your motivation for applying to be a delegate?
Okay. So, Segba, next question. What was your motivation to pursue as a delegate?
And I understand why you just spoke about acknowledging and representing Global Vision and the current artists.
I'm talking about what is it that spoke to you that made you want to apply?
I understand.
I understand. The question, the motivation, we understood with your answer that you want to represent and highlight Global Vision and the artists already on the platform.
But what did it speak to you to make you want to pursue as a delegate?
So, first of all, the desire to really get involved in the D.A.O. but it's part of the observation that the Francophone community is really not present,
even though I'm not going to represent and support the Francophone people.
I think that it's missing. Sunbox has a French project and in fact, for the one who is Francophone and who doesn't speak English,
but there is a big, big language barrier and in fact, people don't even understand what's going on because they don't have access to translation or something.
That's why I wanted this podcast to be in both languages so that it stays accessible to the Francophone without this barrier of translation.
And so that's what motivated me, partly my… and I even speak French, so my registration, to be a delegate, to be able to speak a little Francophone and resonate with the Francophones.
All right. So, well, I would say that my willingness to be engaged a bit more with D.A.O. would be part of the answer.
But also, I would say that the French speaking world is not present at all from the very beginning.
And I think that is strange because Sunbox is a French project.
And I would say that the French speaking world or the French speaking users who do not speak English face a huge linguistic barrier.
So they don't even know basically what's going on. And that is because there's no translation available.
They don't have access to the English part of the game, which is all of it because there's no French.
And that is also why I wanted this podcast to be translated into two languages to give accessibility to all of that French speaking community who doesn't understand what's going on.
So part of that, I would say, is why I felt motivated to apply as a delegate to give that accessibility as well.
There it is. All right, Sevga. That I respect that. I appreciate that.
There you go. That's just it. I respect that and I appreciate that too. It's good.
So let's delve into your voting history. We're not going to go line by line for everything you voted for, which, by the way, I noticed you didn't vote for me, Sevga.
Which is totally, totally fine. And let's just put that out front. It's OK if I submit a sip and you don't vote for me. I'm not angry or anything like that.
What I want to focus on more is how do you approach voting? And we can start getting to those questions if you wouldn't mind.
OK, so Sevga, we're going to start with your voting history and I see you didn't vote for my sip, but that's no problem.
That's fine. No problem. That's fine. And now and in the future too, I can submit a sip and you can vote against my sip. That's no problem.
On the other hand, I want to start focusing a little bit on your voting history or voting process. Are you OK?
So you have a mixture of yeses and nos and some abstains. Please help me understand what is it that you were voting for and what spoke to you when you made these votes?
Perfect. So we can see in your voting history that you have yeses, you have noes and you have also abstained a few times.
Can you explain what kind of vote it was and how you made the decision to vote?
So I don't have all the votes in my head. Let's say that the last one, Tafura, who proposed to get funds to work with an association that deals with disabled people,
I voted no. Clearly no. I even fought on the forum to explain why I thought it wasn't the right method, the right place to get funds.
I am for this kind of initiative, but it seemed inappropriate to me in relation to the DAO.
So what happened was that I saw the experience of the Red Cross and I think that if Tafura represented his site in another way,
with a resonance that would be much more beneficial for The Soundbox, his site could pass.
Because when you look at how the Red Cross project was managed, I think it's very enriching for the Red Cross to seek to get funds,
to raise awareness among people and perhaps to awaken vocations.
It's good for The Soundbox because the Red Cross is an IRL and they are not in web 3 at the base.
So when people talk to each other, they will say, ah, it's The Soundbox.
So it's to say that I'm not totally closed to a type of CIP or whatever,
and that the impact that it has on the general ecosystem is what motivates me the most to make decisions.
Do you want me to let you translate that and I'll continue?
All right. So let's go with the first part of the answer. I do not recall all of the votes that I did,
but I do recall the last one. It was, I think, MetaFutur, and they were asking for funds to work with a disability association.
I voted against it and I even fought a lot on the forum on why I voted against that.
I remember.
I do support the initiative. I think it is inappropriate in the DAO system.
And I'm saying that because I saw how the initiative about the Red Cross works.
And I think MetaFutur, they could have had a passing CIP if they had represented at show the initiative in a different way.
So in a way that enriches Sandbox more. In that case, I think it would have passed because I think how the Red Cross initiative was brought on, it was really enriching.
They were looking for funds to basically wake people up about this kind of situations and initiatives.
And it was great. The Red Cross, we know that it's not on Web3. So people would have said, hey, it's Sandbox and all.
So I'm not closed up about this kind of CIP. I'm not closed up on a specific type of CIP,
but I do take into account the impact that every CIP and every initiative will have on the ecosystem.
Can you help me understand? I don't think I fully understood the part where you did vote for Red Cross because it showed initiative in a different way.
Could you explain that?
Can you explain a little bit more why you voted yes or do you think that the initiative about the Red Cross is a good initiative and not that of MetaFutura?
To try to be clear, simply because of what I understood, the initiative of MetaFutura was for some IRL events.
And it was not through sandbox gaming experiences that it allowed to create an entire economy.
It was to get funds for something from a very, very closed world that only benefits a few people.
Unlike what makes me highlight things, unlike the Red Cross, where it's gaming experiences that allow you to have...
All players can be rewarded. I don't know if you've seen the different rewards for the Red Cross, but it's pretty huge.
The players are rewarded, the people who are not from Web3, in terms of sandbox gaming, the Red Cross itself has a benefit in the sense that it can talk about it and evoke invocations.
So it's all this whole thing, to create a virtuous system that benefits as many people as possible. If it's just to get funds, buy 4 computers, do 10 events in a room with 10 people, I don't see the point, honestly.
It's not up to the DAO to pay for that, I think.
All right, so basically MetaFutura, as far as I understood, just wanted funds to basically finance some events like IRL.
So the sandbox experience, the system to create economy, it would go to this closed world where you would just put 10 people all together and do that kind of event.
Rather than that, I would prefer, and I did support Red Cross, because if we compare, the game experience that Red Cross was advancing would allow players everywhere to get some kind of benefit.
So the load as well was pretty high, if you have a look at it in the Red Cross initiative. And people also who are not on Web3 World would get benefit as well.
It would make basically everyone speak about that, thanks to the Red Cross. We would speak about the good initiatives and sandbox.
So virtually, we would allow that to be broadcasting to a wider range of people. So, you know, if it's just about giving money to have 10 people in a room do something, well, I do not think the DAO is there to finance that kind of thing.
Okay, I think that goes really well into our next question. Sabgaz, what future ships do you not support? Could you elaborate a little bit more on that?
Perfect. So we pass, it's great to make a link with the next question. What future ship are you not going to support and why?
And thank you very much for being open and honest about that. I think that's great.
And thank you very much for the sincerity and honesty with your answer. I think it's really important.
Yes.
So it's kind of complicated to say what I will not be able to support because maybe I will step into a contradiction while supporting something in the future that I said I would support now.
I think I would stay with using examples of things that I already refused or voted against, if that's okay. I'll leave this first part to interpretation. Yeah, that's totally fine.
I'll take the example of delegation about the NFT collection, where somewhere it was presented as putting artists ahead, valuing the NFT collection and so on.
For example, I said no, clearly no, because the market was already at the lowest, so there is strictly no interest in wanting to sell them.
And secondly, the arguments that were put forward concerning putting artists ahead, it never put the artists of The Sunbox ahead.
That is to say that you can very well be an IRL artist, myself I create in real life, let's say physical life, and I conceive the idea of having a real pass between what we create in physical life and what we create in the metaverse.
And it is obvious that I will support this kind of initiative of artists who have a role in the physical and digital worlds.
But the example of the delegation of the NFT and the between 10,000, I couldn't adhere to that because it was just, for me, either very badly presented, or excuse me, but not just for the artists of The Sunbox.
All right, well, for example, I can use the delegation that tried to pass a sip about the NFT collection that was presented, saying that it would be able to advance artists and give value to NFT and to the artists, etc.
And I voted against because first of all, I think that the market is at its lowest. So selling it at that moment made absolutely no sense. But also there was a huge argument about advancing and putting forward the artists and all.
And I think that doesn't work for a sandbox artist. So I can, you know, I am an artist IRL as well. I am an artist in real life, and I totally support the link of artists who are both artists in real life, but also artists on the metaverse.
Of course, I will always support that, those artists that have a foot in IRL and a foot in the metaverse. But the NFT delegation sip and their proposal, I cannot support that.
Either it was really badly presented, and I'm sorry to say that, or just it wouldn't help at all any sandbox artists.
Okay.
Okay, no, thank you. I appreciate that.
And to continue also, not necessarily on this example, but on others, I didn't have the exact cycles in mind, but I could vote for example 50% yes, 25% no and 25% I abstain because not having the science in mind and not really knowing,
I had a tendency to go to the yes, but I had some retains on certain aspects, so rather than putting a 100% yes, I would prefer to cut the weight in two or three.
Okay, just to continue, I cannot recall exactly the sits but sometimes I voted like 50% yes 25% no and 25% abstention, and that was because I did not have the whole overview clear, so I tend to go yes but if I do not have the all information to be able to take an
informal choice, I would rather just split my votes to make sure that that makes complete sense and I think that really gets us to a place where we figure out how you vote.
So you, you are willing to split your vote, depending on how certain you are how informed you are. And I think that I think that's very reasonable that sounds, that sounds fine.
So you're, if you vote even 50% no, you might even vote 25% yes, depending on how, how much or how much you support it.
Okay, that's super logical and it also allows us to understand how your voting process is, so depending on the information you have or you do not have and the understanding you have or you do not have the type of the proposal, you will decide your vote and it is absolutely reasonable and it is very logical.
Even you will be able to vote, so 25% yes, maybe because you support or you support this proposal, but you do not have enough information, I think that's really reasonable.
Thank you.
And indeed, I was talking about it earlier before we were live and I said, I am not a delegate in fact to acquire power, that is to say that through this position there, I could share my final vote in three parts, following in fact the feedback I would have from the community.
And then there is the DAO, it will never be enough, as much as what would have to be spent to subpoena me.
So there is a clarity to have also in relation to that.
Lobbying, it will not work.
Okay, so thank you for saying that and of course I was saying that before going live as well, I am not a delegate to get power or to have more power with my position, I will be able to split votes, depending and according to community feedback.
So, also, no one will be able to blackmail me or try to corrupt me, because the money that you would need to corrupt me would be so much more than the money you could get on DAO, so you know, no blackmail, no corruption at all will be allowed with me.
Bravo, Sebga, bravo.
Okay, I think we exhausted that question and thank you for addressing that tough topic with me because the vote of no is just as important as the vote of yes.
And them knowing, the SIPP authors knowing what they can expect from what you want to vote on and based on the community feedback, I think is very important.
So thank you for talking about that tough topic with me.
Thank you, it was really great, I think we finished this question, we explained it well and it's great because it's actually a sensitive topic, the vote of no is just as important as the vote of yes and it's great that thanks to your answer,
we can also inform the authors of the SIPP about what we are looking for and whether we will vote yes or no. So it's perfect, thank you.
Please, I would like to add something about this distribution of voting powers, but I think you have a question behind it, so maybe I will wait for your question and try to put my answer on your next question.
Well, thank you for that and you're welcome for the answer. I would like to add something about the voting power and how to split it, but I do think you have a question about it, so I would maybe wait for your question to be able to better replace my answer.
Awesome, that makes sense. I wanted to finish up on the DAOs, so you participate in Sandbox DAO, Torque Squad, Seb DAO, which by the way Seb DAO is Sebastien Bourget's sub DAO where he votes with his coin on the Sandbox DAO.
And then the last one you participate is with game. Are there any other DAOs you're involved with that you want to comment on?
Ok, so I will just finish by talking about DAOs. You're part of Sandbox DAO, Torque Squad, Seb DAO, which I can explain, it's Sebastien Bourget and he uses his vote with his coin to vote in the Sandbox DAO and also in game.
Are there any other DAOs you haven't mentioned that you're involved with?
Yes, there is Alethea, which is related to Alitoken, it's a community around an AI project, the first NFT AI that was sold at Saucebill, more than 3 million, I don't know if that speaks to you.
So yes, I'm also part of Alethea, which is linked to Alitoken, not sure whether you know it, it's a community about artificial intelligence, it was actually the first NFT of artificial intelligence with 3 million, if I'm not wrong, maybe you've heard about it.
And I'm also part of WinnieSwap, where I don't really vote, I'm just part of it.
What was that first one, is it the Alitoken?
Yes, Alitoken, Alethea, A-L-E-A-E-A, and it was a blue person, a blue character, it was sold at Saucebill.
Okay, thank you.
I think we're good on that question.
Let's go to our next.
So your delegate description mentions interactively, constructively, interacting constructively.
And I think we have a pretty good idea for how, what you want to accomplish, how do you want to interface or communicate with the community to inform your vote decision?
Okay, so we're going to the next question, we've read a little bit in your delegate description that you talk about constructive interaction. I think we already have a pretty good idea of what that means, but we would like to know how you plan to communicate with your community in relation to the vote decision you make.
Okay, very good question.
So, I think we have a pretty good idea for how you plan to communicate with your community in relation to the vote decision you make.
Okay, so we have a pretty good idea for how you plan to communicate with your community in relation to the vote decision you make.
Okay, so I think we have a pretty good idea for how you plan to communicate with your community in relation to the vote decision you make.
Okay, and by the way, it's something that needs to be seen with the DAO team so that the site is accessible in French because you may not have noticed, but the Sunbox DAO site is accessible in English, in Turkish, in different Asian languages, but not in French.
So you have to copy and paste to translate, etc. for those who don't speak at all. So it can be very complicated. So there is already the aspect to answer the question, this aspect of making people talk about the DAO.
And then in the absolute, which could be really great, it would be even, it's just an idea, I didn't plan to do it, but it would be to create an experience, even a game, that is about the DAO, to raise awareness, to show the impact and what it can do.
Because the Sunbox is gamification, and we can gamify everything. So even the learning of the DAO, this notion, we can gamify it. And that's part of the ideas.
All right. Well, it is indeed a super question. So thank you for that. I think I would start with social networks. I was about to say the DAO forum, but that has people who are already implied in that.
So I would go with Discord and Twitter. And I think I would focus on raising awareness. As I was saying before, there are lots of people with huge voting powers who have this light, who don't have this light as clues about being able to vote or what they can do with voting.
And I want to change that. So that would be on one side raising awareness, especially with French speaking people who have this huge linguistic barrier I was mentioning before.
And even if, let's say they want to understand why they have a huge work to do of transcribing and translating, and we need to give access to DAO for French speaking people.
Also, the DAO, the sandbox DAO website is translated in multiple languages, English, Turkish, and some Asiatic languages as well. But there's no French version of the website. And everyone who wants to understand needs to copy and paste everything in order to understand if they do not speak English, which is the case for a lot of people.
So, as I was saying before, I would use my power and my communication to the community to speak about DAO, to raise awareness. And also, this is still on the idea point of view and idea process.
But I have this idea which is basically to create an experience to create a game, which is about DAO itself, to show the impact that DAO can have, and to show what DAO can actually do. Because sandbox is gamification in a way and everything can be gamified, if you want to say that.
So, we can actually create experience to show and raise awareness as well.
Thank you, Sabga. I think that makes a lot of sense. I did not know the website doesn't even have a French translation, which is ironic because the company is French.
You feel it too.
Well, all right. I'm sure there are good reasons for that but still that is ironic.
Thank you for mentioning that. I will go and see. It is incredible that there is no French translation since the project is French. It is really incredible.
I think there are good reasons there but it is interesting to point out. It is important to point out.
Because it must be accessible to the maximum?
Yes, because it has to be accessible for everyone. That's the point.
French-speaking people are not only in France. We have Belgium, but beyond that we have Quebecers.
Quebecers are often bilingual, so the language barrier is less for them.
But in a whole region of Africa, whether it is Senegal, Mali, Ivory Coast, Congo, many countries are French-speaking.
They can also be English-speaking, but basically they are French-speaking.
They master the language.
So it is depriving themselves of all this part of the world, rather than not having the translation.
Yes, and also to underline, the French-speaking world is not just France.
There is Belgium, there is a part of Quebec, they speak two languages, they are bilingual, so they have this...
That's right.
...better linguistic barrier, they are not tackling that so much.
But also we have a lot of countries in the African region. We have Senegal, Mali, Ivory Coast, Congo.
There are a lot of countries that are completely French-speaking.
Some part of that might be English-speaking as well, but basically they are all French-speaking.
And we are actually avoiding or not allowing a huge part of the world to access that. It is an accessibility issue.
Yes, and it is also an official language of the UN.
Yes, and it is also an official language of the United Nations.
Right. Let's speak the... I don't remember the new language, but Esperanto.
So I think we are going to ask the question about the delegate description,
Awakening and Stimulating Members. I think we answered that, unless there is something more you would like to comment on.
I think we have a pretty good handle on what it is that you intend to do.
I also had a question about your intention as a delegate, but I think we have answered that enough.
At least you want to add something. I think the intention is what you want to do with the power of the vote as a delegate.
I think we have already talked about that, haven't we?
Yes, I think there is a notion, something that is important to me.
Exactly in the image of what it is done with its power of vote, I think delegates should have sub-Dao.
And it is under these sub-Dao that they are used for the distribution of the final vote of a delegate.
Alright, there is one more notion that I would consider important to mention.
And I think all delegates should have sub-Dao and use those to share their final vote.
Ok, great. Are you going to create your own sub-Dao?
Perfect. Are you going to create your own sub-Dao?
I started to look at how to do that. There is a need for an ENS name, I don't have one. I admit that I don't want to invest in that, even if it is not excessively expensive.
It's a bit silly, but it's a little brake that blocks me.
But I look at what the solutions are, how to put that in place.
I saw that there was an X-Dao, but I had to have an X-Dao. I tried to buy one, but I couldn't find the way to buy one.
So I looked at it, I don't know. I was just wondering, then I thought about it.
Before going to the sub-Dao, create a Discord server to collect information, but it's a lot of management.
I ask different members, they tell me that they are not interested, that there are already too many Discord servers, and each time you have to manage and delete one to join another.
So it will certainly not go well with the server, but I keep this idea of the sub-Dao.
I haven't put it in place yet, I don't know how to put it in place. It doesn't seem very complicated to me, but you have to do things correctly.
I tried to buy it, but I couldn't. So I'm still looking for ways to do it, and still asking around.
I think a sub-Dao, I also thought about creating a new server Discord, but it's too much management on that.
I already spoke with some people who said it's not really a good idea, because there are already too many Discord servers, and every time you need to have a new one, you need to delete a different one.
So it's a bit of a mess. I do not think the server idea will actually go further, but I'm still thinking about the sub-Dao, not yet sure how to implement that, but looking at it.
Yeah, a lot of different Daos use different methods, like voting on Discord.
Some of them vote on a website with a DApp, and others use Snapshot, like you're aware of.
I don't think there are any that I can think of right now that use a different method, but I'll ask around and send you a message if I see something that could help.
Perfect, yes indeed, the sub-Dao can be developed in different ways. There is Discord, of course, there are also DApps to vote on the website, or Snapshots, as you know for sure. I don't have any other means in mind, but if I have one, I'll send you some messages for sure.
Okay, with pleasure. Knowing that in any case, the sub-Dao via a smart contract is the ultimate tool, but at worst, a poll on Twitter, and I know who can answer, and depending on the answer.
Well, it's really the opposite, the simplest solution, but it can also be done like that.
Alright, well it's a pleasure, and know that of course sub-Dao is a smart contract, it's the ultimate tool that we could use, but there's also like the easiest option, which would be just a survey or voting on Twitter. I know it's on the completely different side of the scope, but you know, that's an option as well.
Sure, absolutely. There are a lot of different ways to accomplish it.
So our next question is, what type of delegate do you want to be known as? Specifically, when you finish a sentence, a SanFam user says, Sebga, a Dao delegate, he's known as blank.
Okay, so it's beautiful, indeed, there are a lot of ways to deal with that. We move on to the next question, which is, how do you want to be recognized, so what type of delegate do you want to be for the others?
Can you complete the sentence? We have a SanFam, so someone from the community who says, ah yes, well Sebga is the type of delegate who completes.
Okay, who will go in the direction of, well, let's try to say that correctly and simply, I would say in the direction of the success of the sandbox and I would say in the direction of the accomplishment of the creators.
Basically, to put the users, the people involved in the sandbox forward, to have better tools to be able to develop our models.
There is too much frustration at this level, for example, we have economic models in our mind or on paper and we can't put them in place because of technological limits, so go in the direction of development.
Indeed, there is this notion of time, patience is needed for the development of tools, but put the means for that in any case.
So underlining the users and people implied in sandbox in order for them to have better tools and to develop models because there are a lot of models to be developed, but there's a lot of frustration because technology has limits in this, tech limits are not allowing new models to be established or implemented.
So yes, I would I would go towards maybe that. Okay.
Very good.
All right, we are set. So we, we are close to the end. And thank you so much for being my very first guest. I've learned a lot about what questions to ask.
I appreciate it.
Perfect. So, we are coming to the end of the podcast. Thank you for being my first guest. I'm learning a lot about what kind of questions to ask and what kind of questions not to ask.
Okay, I hope not to put you in the mess with my answers.
Well, that's great. I hope I haven't put you in any situation of shame with my answers.
No, no, no, no, not at all. I think this is gone wonderfully. I really do have appreciated how we can not just talk about how great everything is and, and how wonderful the votes are going to be but also facing the reality of there's a yes vote, there's a no vote, there's an abstain vote.
And what does it take to to talk with you about how they acquire a yes vote, and what can they expect when they present a sip that may earn your no vote or abstain vote. It's equally important.
And I appreciate that you're willing to discuss that with me.
So, I just want to talk openly, andACHNE sand..."
what to expect every time there is a vote.
Because the votes no and the votes yes,
and the abstinence votes too,
it's also important.
So thank you very much for opening up
this part of the conversation, it's important.
Thank you for the discussion.
But you're welcome and it was a great debate,
so thank you for that.
Yeah, so our next question,
we're getting close to the end.
What type of SanFam voter best fits your delegation style?
And you could say everyone,
that doesn't have to be like the creators or whatever,
but is there something specific that you have in mind
that you definitely want to,
that you would definitely say fits your delegation style?
I assume French speaker voters,
but it doesn't have to be.
What do you think?
OK, so next question,
what type of SanFam voter best fits your delegation style?
We imagine that it can already be a Francophone person,
but what type exactly,
what person, what user of the SanFam community
fits the delegation style you want to have?
OK, I'm talking about the Francophone community,
but a Francophone person won't have my vote
just because he's Francophone, clearly.
I'll let you translate that already.
Alright, so well, I speak about a French speaking community,
but I want to say first of all that just because a SIP is in French
or there's a French speaking SIP,
I'm not going to vote for it just because it's French.
So I want to say that as a first.
Good.
So in the idea, things that...
So I'm going to listen a lot to people's opinions.
For example, there are people like Escape Room Artists
who, for me, have very interesting visions
because he's been there for a very long time.
And actually, to see that someone like him
moves away from the D.A.O.
because he's probably just because it was just...
I don't want to talk about his name,
but it wasn't a good application,
a good use of the budget, in any case,
of the budget to be paid.
It hurts my heart to see this kind of person
involved in the D.A.O.
So first of all, I'm going to listen to people's opinions,
whether they're different users,
but also the advice,
because I think that from their point of view,
they have a vision that maybe we don't have as independents.
And otherwise, as I said,
it's going to be everything that will enable artists to move forward,
but not in an individual way,
like X as an artist or Intel as an artist,
but more that will benefit as many people as possible
and that won't be closed.
I can understand that unlocking funds, for example,
for events in real life,
can be interesting for the GIFCon,
for any big event,
but it's so punctual and ephemeral
that it's not really the kind of target I would go for.
I would rather go for things that allow an evolution,
an opening and reinforcement of the link between people,
the link between people and the sandbox,
the building of the castle, the sandbox,
the metaverse of...
I don't know if I'm very clear,
but good luck translating that, Valentina.
Yes, it's hard for me to translate that,
because I'm not sure I was so clear.
So what I was saying is that, first of all,
what I'll need to do and what I'll want to do
is to listen to people's life.
Like, let's say I have an artist,
I'm not going to mention his name.
I know an artist with a very interesting point of view and vision
who got further away from the DAO,
and it's logical, in my opinion,
because they think that the budget was not used in the best way,
so budget allocation was not really a thing for him
and how it was being done.
And it actually hurts me to see that people with important
and very interesting visions
or people implied in the metaverse
are abandoning DAO because of that.
So first of all, I want to listen,
listen to the advice of their point of view,
because sometimes they're different from us as independent users,
and also put forward artists.
And I'm not saying that to mention this X or Y name
of this big artist that I want to showcase.
No, it's just putting forward the big artist world as a whole
of people already implied in sandbox.
Also, I don't think I'm going to support big sips on big events, etc.
I would rather go with sips that allow progress, openness,
and also reinforces that big link between sandbox users
and everything that can be done in the metaverse.
Thank you.
No, makes sense to me.
Great.
I think we've reached the end of that portion
when it comes to the SanFam voter, your delegate style,
and what you want to accomplish.
Is there anything else you'd like to comment on
before we move to those final three questions?
OK, I see a lot of sense in what you're saying.
I think we've finished the question section
regarding SanFam, the delegate style, the voting style.
Do you want to add anything more to that
before we move on to the last three questions?
No, let's continue.
If anything comes to mind, I'll add it as we go.
No, I think I'm OK.
I have said everything I wanted to say in this section.
If I have anything else coming up, I'll just let you know.
Great.
The last three is more procedural just to learn,
because the delegates and how it was all presented.
What was the delegate process like for you?
OK, so the last three questions are about learning
rather than the process of being a delegate.
So how was your process of being a delegate?
I think the process, like everyone else,
was to fill out the form and propose your candidacy.
Then, I contacted the team to have exchanges with them
so that they could define what my profile was.
Because, as I understood, they sought to have
as broad an advantage as possible
to spread the different trends.
And then, I don't know if I answered your question.
Well, not sure whether I answered your question,
but basically, my process was just like everyone else.
I had to fill this form, this application,
I sent it, and I was then contacted by the team
who wanted to basically define my profile.
Because I understood it, they were looking for
the biggest spectrum of applications
to include all kinds of points of view.
Not sure the answers, but yeah, that was my process.
And so you were interviewed.
Did anything happen after the interview
until you were announced?
Perfect. So you had an interview.
Did anything happen between the interview and the announcement?
No, not really.
No, no.
To be completely transparent,
I received a message on the forum The Sunbox by Fonny
who told me that I was held as a delegate.
And I had to fill out a small sentence
for the delegation part on The Sunbox website
as a presentation.
I had to do it two or three days later,
so they put a description that corresponded
to what they had interpreted from our discussions.
And yeah, to be completely transparent, that's it.
Alright, so just for the sake of huge transparency,
I received a message in The Sunbox forum
saying that yes, I was announced as a delegate.
I had to fill a small sentence, like to create a small sentence
for the delegation part of The Sunbox website,
of the DAO website.
But I think I sent it like two or three days late.
So they chose a description, a small description.
They made a description out of their interpretation
of what I sent when I submitted and what came out of the interview.
Just for the sake of huge transparency.
Okay, thank you.
The two million voting power delegated,
were you expecting that?
I sure wasn't.
Okay, so the two million voting power,
were you expecting that?
I probably wasn't expecting that.
No, I wasn't expecting that at all.
And I thought it was something great,
because 12 delegates with 2 million votes,
that's 24 million, the quorum is 30 million.
So with that, I think we can reach the quorums
and validate or invalidate the targets,
but in any case, get to the final votes and validate the votes.
But no, I absolutely wasn't expecting that.
And beyond that, that's what I wanted to talk about earlier.
That's the moment, that is to say that the two million,
from what I understood, they are there for the moment,
but the amount can move, if I understood correctly.
That is to say that if, for example,
the distribution of voting power
will be done by the number of people who follow you as a delegate.
Maybe I will go from 2 million to 1 million later,
because no one, or at least this person,
will adhere to my vision, to my way of proceeding.
So at the same time, it always allows us to come back
to this notion of sub-DAO,
how much even it doesn't go through a smart contract.
If I do a little poll on Twitter or on Discord,
I have answers and I don't vote in the sense of answers,
people can already vote on me again.
So I have no power of totality, let's say.
And in addition to that, behind that,
maybe they will lose confidence in me
and I will lose the power of voting.
I don't know how these 2 million will be managed later,
but no, I didn't expect that.
OK, so well actually I was absolutely not expecting that at all,
like really at all.
I think it is genius because 12 delegates per 2 million votes
per delegate makes it 24, and the quorum is at 30,
which means that it will be easier to get to a choice
and to validate or invalidate a SIP.
Now, I was not expecting that at all,
and I think this is where I want to say something
that I left earlier for later,
which is that the 2 million votes, I understand it,
that this is what we have now,
but numbers could change in the future.
For example, vote distribution apparently could depend
on the number of people who follow you.
So maybe my case, the 2M, could turn into 1M
if people do not agree with my ideas, with my vision,
or with my points of view.
So like SubDOW again, there's a smart contracts,
we spoke about that.
Let's say that I create a survey on Discord, on Twitter,
about some kind of SIP and people vote,
and then when it's time to vote,
I vote against the results of those survey.
People, first of all, can vote against me,
so I do not have this huge totalitarian power that I have,
but also they could start not trusting me anymore
because I voted against what was the results of the survey.
So, you know, it's 2M now, it's a lot to manage,
and I don't know how it will turn out,
but of course, and that is really true,
I was definitely not expecting that at all.
Yeah, you said something really interesting just now.
The 2M votes, is that given to you in coins and lands,
or how is that given to you? What is that?
You said something really interesting about the 2M votes.
Do you get money or land? How do you receive that?
That's a very good question.
No, for me, it's simply the voting power that is given to me via Snapshot.
Because having that even in tokens, in sand,
that would be great, I would put it on Stake and then I would win some sand,
or have some land, I could publish on it.
No, no, it's absolutely not related, in my understanding,
it's absolutely not related to any sand, or any land, or anything.
It's just, I think, Sandbox, which has its own voting power
and which is distributed through delegates.
I think it's something like that.
And these voting powers were given to me via Snapshot,
but it's just related to voting powers.
There is no link with assets or anything, not in my understanding.
Well, that is indeed a good question.
I'm receiving this 2M via Snapshot and that is just the voting power.
Because if they were tokens or they were coins or land, I would publish them,
I would get money out of it, you know, something else.
But in this case, I understand it has no link whatsoever to lands or tokens or anything like that.
Sandbox, as I understand it, Sandbox takes its own voting power
and distributes it to the delegates.
And I'm getting that through Snapshot only as a voting power,
no link whatsoever to any kind of asset.
So the 27 million voting powers that the Sandbox account has,
they're delegating that to you?
So the 24 million voting powers that DAO gives you, does that mean that they withdraw 2 to give it to you?
I don't know. I honestly don't know where these 24 million votes come from.
Is it from the Sandbox DAO, the board or the Sandbox company?
I can't tell you, I don't know.
And I'm not talking about the blockchain either.
Honestly, I don't know. We will have to have a debate about it.
I honestly really don't know where the 24M comes out of.
I could be Sandbox DAO, the council or the company.
We will need further debate because I really have no idea.
Yeah, okay. I'll find out. Thank you, Savga. I appreciate that.
I wasn't tracking that it wasn't sand or land.
I guess I assumed it was, but cool. I'll find out. Thank you.
Last question, Savga. Have you had to sign any additional agreements other than a Biden by the Code of Conduct that you're held to?
Okay, last question, Seqba. Have you had to sign agreements to become a delegate?
More of the Code of Conduct and other agreements?
No, not until today. I'm an ambassador, so I have a confidentiality agreement, but it doesn't specifically engage the DAO.
The DAO, I really believe, is something of individual and very free, and that we, as delegates, are simply UGC.
I believe we have our freedom of speech and our total freedom.
If I understand correctly, the DAO, Seb was saying that, is that it gives five years for us to have a total decentralization.
I think we're experimenting to give the community more power, to try to organize this distribution of power and see how it works.
I really believe we're free, and it's up to us to act intelligently.
Well, no, I think so far I haven't signed any other agreements. As an ambassador, I did sign the confidentiality agreement, but that is not really linked to DAO itself.
I think DAO is really giving us freedom as individuals, freedom of speech, basically total freedom.
If I understand correctly, these five years is because it's total decentralization.
We're experimenting, and maybe we'll change, maybe we'll not, but I do really think the DAO is, apart from the power distribution, we'll see how that goes.
But it's giving us full freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of choosing, of voting, and we'll see how that goes.
Of course, it's on our hands to use that wisely.
Great. Great.
Okay, Sebga, that is the last of our questions. How are you feeling?
Perfect, Sebga. So that was the last question. How do you feel now?
I'm feeling good, my friend, because the future is in front of us. We will shape the future.
And sorry for the French. I feel great because we're going to shape the future together. What the DAO team has put in place shows their will to do things well.
And it goes in the user's direction, in my opinion. So, super enthusiastic. And let's build a future together.
Well, I feel super good. I think the DAO team is showing willingness to do good things, to do good. And I feel that that is towards users.
So I feel enthusiasm. I feel good. We're able, and we will be able to shape the future. So that's good.
Thank you. All right. There's two things I wanted to end with. The sandbox spaces is where we gather.
You likely know this already. Sebga, there might be a few things that I share, but I want to share it with every delegate.
So we have Discord, a hashtag DAO discussion channel. We have the sandbox DAO forums. On Twitter, we have the normal hashtags, SandFam, the sandbox DAO, and the sandbox game.
On YouTube, we have the sandbox DAO YouTube channel. And there's SandDAL, which is ours, and then SandCafe, or SandFamCafe, excuse me. So it's the first bit of spaces.
Perfect. So thank you very much. I just want to end with two small things. There are sandbox spaces. Maybe you already know them. I just want to mention them.
There are DAO discussion hashtags on Discord. We also have them on Twitter. We're present on Twitter. And in addition, we have YouTube channels. There's SandDAL and also SandFamCafe on the YouTube channel.
So there you go. We can connect there too.
Yes, I know all of that. And it's great that you mention the subject. At the level of SandDAL, do you have a Discord? Because it could be the place where delegates are represented and we could gather open and transparent discussions.
Knowing that the channel in the sandbox Discord is good, but we have no authorization to add or remove sections and everything. So it's a bit complicated.
If you have your own server, since you do podcasts, would it really make sense that it's articulated in a server that you could have?
Actually, I was thinking in SandDAL, in Discord, do you have your own server? Because I was thinking that maybe delegates could present themselves and have an open discussion there. Of course, we have a Discord server, but that specific one, it doesn't give us authorization to put or delete sections.
So if you have your own server in Discord, since you have the podcast, maybe it would make sense to use that one to have delegates presentation and open discussions.
I had not thought about that, Sebga. Thank you. I will think long and hard on how to do that.
I hadn't thought about that, Sebga. I will think a lot about how we can do that. Thank you for that.
I don't know if the idea is interesting, if it's not a workload and so on, but I think that as a podcast producer of SandDAL, it would make sense that all the discussions are articulated around this title of SandDAL.
Well, yes, I don't know whether that is overloading you would work, but as you are the SandDAL podcast presenter, I do see the sense it makes sense to me it's a bit logic to have all discussions there as well, but I'll leave it to you.
Yeah, thank you. I do have the same thing as everyone else. I only have so much time. And yeah, I'll give that a lot of thought. I had not thought of that, Sebga, but I really like the idea. So I'm going to think about that.
Thank you. Indeed, like everyone else, I have limited time. The days are long, like me, like everyone else. But indeed, it's a very good idea. I hadn't thought about it at all. And I like the idea, so I'm going to think about it a lot.
Thank you very much. And then the last thing for the sandbox space is on Twitter. On Mondays, there's Mochaverse Hall, also called the United Grand Halls. They talk a lot about the sandbox Mondays at 3am CEST, your time. So it's really early. Bulls on the Block is on Saturdays at 7pm CEST, so right now for you.
And then Monday through Friday is Coffee with Captain. They primarily focus on ApecoinDAO, but I know they would also speak with a sandbox delegate as well. And then whale members on Tuesdays, natively digital.
They're the largest landowner in the sandbox, but they have a Twitter space every Tuesday that talks a lot about art. So I know you like art, they love art. Maybe there's some synergy that can happen there. But those are the spaces for where I see a lot of Sandfam gathering.
So the last thing on the space, we have on Twitter good events as well. On Mondays at 3am CEST, it's really early for you. There are discussions on Twitter. We also have Bulls on the Block, I think it's Wednesday.
I have all the data written and published on Twitch now. And on Thursday, there's a big community of people with a lot of land, Lens. And they talk a lot about art. You like art, they like art, so I think there's some synergy there. And that's on Thursday. But all the info is on the screen.
Yes, okay. Thank you very much. It's starting to lag a lot. I have cuts, but I think I understood the essentials. Of course, I'm going to take a look and see what I can do.
Thank you very much for the invitation. I got half of it because I'm having some connection problems, so all of a sudden it froze a little bit. But I'll make sure to check out the spaces that you mentioned and it's great to invite me. So thank you very much for that. I'll make sure to use my time to do that.
I'll send a screenshot of the Twitter handles and when they meet and it'll have it in your time as well. And then, like I said, I'm just presenting you the information and please make whatever it is you can based on your own schedule.
Great.
Perfect. So I'm going to send you all the Twitter information so you can see it and of course, with your own time, join in as much as you can and want. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I hope I was clear enough in everything I wanted to say. I think I forgot a lot of things, but here we are.
And I'm open to discussion. You already know Lanzer, but for those who listen, if you don't know me, you can find me on Discord, in the Sunbox Discord or on Twitter at X7Ga.
So I'm open to discussion and especially join the forum, sandboxdao.com, I think. And we need everyone, everyone's advice. We're the ones who are welcome.
Well, I hope it was clear enough to give all the answers you needed. I think I did forget a lot of things, but I'm open to discussion. You know that, Lanzer, and if you do not know people who are listening to us, you can find me on X, on former Twitter at X7Ga.
You can find us on Discord. And of course, please join the forum sandboxdao.com if I'm not wrong. It spells like that. And you know, we really need your advice. So please come and give us feedback because we can shape the future and we need your point of view.
Thank you, Sevga. Well said, and I appreciate your time. Au revoir.
Merci beaucoup. Merci beaucoup, Biazi.
Merci, Valentina, pour la traduction.
Thank you to our lovely Valentina for interpreting so well. I appreciate you, Valentina.
Merci beaucoup à vous. Thank you very much to you too.
All right. Thank you all. Have a great day. And this is Sevga, one of our newest delegates of 12, and very focused on the creators, the gamers, wanting to represent not just French speaking SanFam, but also anyone who is vastly interested in advancing the sandbox ecosystem in the long term.
Yes, that's it. Thank you all. Bye bye.
Au revoir. Au revoir.