Hello everyone, Sandow Podcast number 36.
Today is going to be a little bit about some of my recent appearances on a couple podcast
shows, particularly Forbes Web 3, the Builders podcast, and then the Tech Talk podcast with
I Heart Domains.
This is going to be a little bit of commentary woven into today, but ultimately this is mostly
about some things I saw, some things I noted, and some patterns that I wanted to get out
there that I'd like to share.
Disclaimer is I do not represent the Sandbox game or the Sandbox foundation, which is the
Dow.
We are not your financial or legal advisors, and nothing I say is to be taken as financial
or legal advice.
When I say the word SIP, I mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal.
When I say the word Dow, that means Decentralized Autonomous Organization.
And when I say SandFam, I'm talking about everyone in the Sandbox community who participates
in the people, the product, and the purpose.
The people being the gamers, game makers, voxel artists, landowners, sandholders, Dow
delegates, participants in the Sandbox team, the product being the game client, boxed edit,
game maker, the market, and the Dow, and the purpose being what's explained in the white
paper and by the various leaders of Sandbox, Seb, Arthur, Yat, and all of that turning
together making the ecosystem go round for the Sandbox.
Scoreboard has been quiet as of late, mostly because the Dow admin team is working on bringing
the delegation system online and approving the delegates to start doing delegate things.
So as a result, there have been no new SIPs on draft or open for voting.
And that means the checkbook hasn't moved either.
So we're still sitting at 2.3% having been spent, which is 16, 15% of the 15.5 million
Sand budget.
We're still at 211,000 token holders.
We're at 15 proposals instead of 13.
And voters are, there's 22,200 voters casting about 9,200 votes across those 15 proposals.
My name is Lanzer.
I'm the podcast host for Sandow podcast, which is a podcast all about the Sandbox Dow bringing
you educational and news updates.
I'm also president of the Matterworlds group.
We have published two experiences in the Sandbox.
One is Floor Droppers, which is currently in Alpha season four at zero zero.
And the second one is Lava Defense, which is a Game Maker Fund 2023 project.
My background is contract negotiation and program management.
And I've been a creative entrepreneur publishing novels to Amazon, music to iTunes and games
to the Sandbox and other things, but the Sandbox.
So we're going to focus our discussion on two things that I mentioned in the beginning.
There's Tech Talk with Win AirDrop, also goes by iHeart Domains.
And there was a podcast, it was October 16th.
So it was a couple weeks ago now, a few weeks ago.
And he did a podcast with me and another and a guest.
And it was called Exploring the Metaverse Digital Identity and Opportunities in Virtual
Communities.
So he and I did a podcast on Sandow not long before that.
And it was a podcast, 29.
And it was all about the digital identity as well.
Spoken from the perspective of digital identity from how does identity work within the Sandbox
and so on and so forth.
Hey, Creator, how are you doing in the chat?
Appreciate you stopping by.
So that right there is podcast 29.
But then I went on his podcast to talk about his stuff for digital identity.
And it went a lot different.
So it wasn't a repeat.
There were two totally different vantage points from identity.
And mine was more from him asking questions about identity as it pertains to the Sandbox.
And then this one was about digital identity as a whole.
So you can find it on YouTube.
We'll be referencing a few times.
But you can find his channel on YouTube.
And it was called Exploring the Metaverse Digital Identity and Opportunities in Virtual
Current Communities.
That one right there.
The second one was Forbes Web 3, which happened the day after on October, I believe it was
October 17th.
And that was the Builder Community Round 8.
And the Builder Community Round 8 was with Manny and Jack from Forbes Web 3 team where
they interviewed Forbes Community Forbes legacy pass holders.
And I happened to be one of them.
And we talked about various things.
And we'll go over that.
So those are the two things that I'm going to go over and all the surrounding characteristics
that I noted.
Okay, so let's do the first one.
The tech talk with WinAirdrop.
And that was done via Twitter Space.
They both were.
The first one was done via Twitter Space and later launched on his podcast, Spotify, YouTube,
the whole thing.
And he asked, we went through four big questions, myself and my co-guest.
It was Network, right?
So Network and I were both guests on the show.
So the four main questions.
Question one was what they asked me was how do you introduce the sandbox and how do you
describe it?
And I get this question a lot outside of the sandbox.
I'm involved in a lot of different DAOs, involved in many different Web 3 communities.
And when I say that I'm podcast host for, of SandDow, which is about the sandbox DAO,
the very first question I ask is what is the sandbox?
The second question I get asked is what is a DAO?
So I had to, what I basically come down to is the way I answer this question was I describe
it as a Minecraft look-alike.
It doesn't operate the same way, but it looks a lot like the Minecraft game and it has a
giant ecosystem behind it.
And that's where I start going into the people product and the purpose.
And the comparison I draw with Minecraft is that it's voxel art and there's blocks that
you can see.
You can hit blocks.
You can interact with your environment.
You can build things, although not quite the same way in the sandbox.
So I introduce it as it looks like Minecraft.
It has a Web 3 blockchain foundation and a giant ecosystem of many different people,
products and purpose that puts it into the metaverse within the Web 3 framework.
Then I went into the history of the sandbox and from 2012 to 2018 all the way to 2024,
how in 2012 it was launched as a 2D mobile game.
Then in 2018 it became a PC blockchain enabled game.
And now in 2024 it's iterated on that quite a bit and now has a DAO.
I then did a little bit of a comparison between Decentraland and sandbox and it was mainly
my decision at the beginning of how do I enter into the metaverse.
The two that I narrowed it down to was Decentraland and sandbox and I ultimately chose the sandbox
and I explained my reasons why and the question.
And basically what it was down to, it had the gravitas.
It had what I consider to be a sustainable model behind it.
Decentraland had great graphics and it had kind of a more fluid approach whereas in sandbox
you have servers that you join almost.
So it had kind of that more metaverse feel but the sandbox to me had the backing and
the structure to be successful in positioning itself in the market.
So I ultimately chose the sandbox.
And then last we talked a little bit about how the sandbox has some child protections
that are important, kind of reminiscent of Minecraft a little bit in some ways.
Whereas other, I think Decentraland has a proximity chat, voice chat and all that.
Some things that you'd have to keep an eye on.
So that's how I introduced the sandbox and how I described it.
And here's a little excerpt from that.
Oh, how would you introduce them to it or to the sandbox?
How do you describe this to them?
That's a great question.
The way I normally describe it is sort of the way I introduced it in one of the penned
tweets.
I'd first describe it as Minecraft because Minecraft was for quite some time the most
viewed game on Twitch.
So odds are people know what Minecraft is.
The blocks, you hit the blocks, you build stuff.
And that's a good start for describing it to someone who has no idea.
And then you add the word.
So it's a Minecraft-like game and everything you see is built by someone or an added to
the blockchain.
So that's basically the start of it.
And I'm refining that a lot.
At this point, I've been asked what is the sandbox so many times in the web through ecosystem
that I'm basically building a script that I can go to.
And so I just explained to Win AirDrop the ingredients behind that.
It's a Minecraft-like game on the blockchain and there's a giant ecosystem that underpins
it.
So the second question was, what can you do and own in the sandbox?
And this is what really where he wanted to get to.
Win AirDrop is very much into domain management.
So identity is a big thing to him.
And we explained, we talked about this a little bit on my podcast with him on Sandow.
But on his podcast, he wanted to know and his audience, I think there are about 50 people
and in his Twitter space.
So what he wanted to know was, what can you do in the sandbox and how does it relate to
identity?
So in this case, what can you do and own?
And that's where I started going into how almost everything is an NFT and how you can
almost own everything in the sandbox.
There's some peculiarities about how you don't have to mint everything you put in GameMaker
or put on an experience.
I didn't really get into that because it's nuanced that doesn't really make a difference
to a crowd who's just being introduced to the sandbox.
Not important.
What was important is explaining how everything, almost everything can be an NFT that you meant
where it be if you have a BAYC, then there's a bridge contract there, bridge smart contract,
I think that allows you to use that as one of your avatars.
You can mint swords that you swing and kill monsters with in an experience.
That was the most important part of that question there.
And here it is on his podcast.
Ask them in the bubble.
Yeah, go for it, Lancer.
Yeah, some of the things that exist within the sandbox that you can own and associate
with identity.
Most of it is within the marketplace.
When I dropped as a, I think I finally figured out how to do a pen thing.
So I send out podcast number 31.
If you want to get a little bit deeper into it, that's the intro to the sandbox ecosystem
where I go into more depth into what you can do.
But one of the other things I penned earlier, I was talking to you about the sandbox ecosystem
where the people, product, purpose, and ecosystem picture.
So some of the main things that you can do is the many different layers that exist from
the sandbox.
So I get into the different layers and that's also part of another question that he asks.
So all the things that you can do in the sandbox, most of them you can own that you interact
with, whether it be the building or the car or the prop or the equipment or the level
itself or the land, most of it.
So the next question then was, what does identity look like in the sandbox?
And that's where we started talking about usernames and how sandbox usernames are linked
to wallets and those, and also you can put in your social media on a sandbox username.
And then those wallets can be linked to ENS, like mine is linked to lancer.eth.
And so if you know that, then you can see a lot of the reputation and blockchain history
and all sorts of things.
But also for the bridged avatars, especially from Board 8 Yacht Club, World of Women, or
Mocha, you have identities built within those universes that are now associated with the
sandbox.
So we go over that quite a bit.
There's I think as I understood it, different types of identity.
There's a username that is within the sandbox DOW ecosystem, which is actually bigger than
your sandbox, as well as when it comes to like governance and voting and stuff like
that, I believe that you guys still resolve and utilize ENS there.
So kind of wanted to ask what it looked like in the sandbox, kind of when each is used
and how others interact with it.
Specifically, I think it's kind of easier for us to figure out the ENS part, but wanted
to talk specifically about the sandbox username, like kind of how you interact with it, what
it's good for, used for.
Are they on chain, off chain also?
Is there a second?
Yeah, I'll answer the first one first, because I'll forget that one.
So the secondary markets is OpenSea.
They just announced Magic Eden's partnership and some blur some of the avatars.
So there is quite a bit of secondary market trading for the sandbox, especially when it
comes to land.
And then specifically what it looks like is that you have a mixture of on chain and off
chain and most of the off chain is secondary stuff.
So the on chain is you create a username within the sandbox.
So just like you would anywhere else in any other game.
And that username is specific to the sandbox.
However, where you start to connect identities across different layers of Web3 is you then
associate that username with the wallet.
So there you have it.
That was that question there.
And while I'm talking, then after the network talks about his community called the network,
which I think aspires to be a metaverse game as well.
And the last question was a kind of general, what are you bullish on?
And the thing that I talked about was the maturing of Web3.
I mentioned this from time to time, but I've been in Web3.
I've been in, we didn't call it that back then, but I've been in cryptocurrency for
almost 10 years now.
And I've watched Web3 back then.
It was just cryptocurrency.
I watched crypto mature into Web3 and progress from a more.
I would use the word militant, a very aggressively don't tread on me.
I'm going to be anonymous.
You don't have any right to know who I am from that to where people weave their real
life credentials into things, especially for the Dows.
So I watched, I've watched that go down and I'm very, they call bullish, but I'm very
optimistic about it.
I like the way it's headed.
And here it is on the podcast.
We've turned the floor over to you, Langer, sir.
I think the only thing I'd like to end with is that I'm, I've been kind of slow to reveal,
I say that in 2016, back when a lot of the big scams were happening, like Big Connect
and all that.
And here's where I talk about a little bit of my history, but I'm going to skip over
this part because it, I cover it in Forbes Web3.
I've watched the space evolve over the years and it's been really fascinating to see how
we've, in some cases matured and other cases the space is turning into something much more,
it's much less anonymous than what we originally set out to do.
And we kind of learned it's just like in life that when you, what you idealize it to
be and what it turns out to be is very different things.
And so with that comes a maturity, which you can choose to or not choose to, like in a
sandbox you could still choose to be anonymous if you'd like, completely.
You don't have to KYC if you don't want to.
And so, but there are certain things that the community is choosing to say, well, if
you want to be anonymous, that's great, that's fine, but there are certain parts of things
that we won't be able to trust you with because of the scale, the magnitude and the severity
of if it doesn't turn out to be what we thought it was.
So there you go.
And that was a direct reference to the real life credentials that are being brought into
the DAO when people want to have asked for big dollar projects and show their resume
to put some skin in the game and show people that they are real.
They're not going to run away with this money.
They're going to deliver on what they say they're proposing.
And that right there was Tech Talk.
It was really cool.
I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed the podcast and what I'm used to in terms of Web3 space.
Digital identity was its focus.
So that was something that was new in how they approach it from a domain management.
And so weaving in a game, a metaverse game, I had to focus on the connection to ENS, the
wallet, and the different identities that people have across different blockchains and
layers, and sometimes they don't all talk together or communicate well together.
But you're able to make those linkages to where people can associate identities from
sandbox to mocha to board ape to whatever other communities people are part of.
I like to really like talking to Marcus, who is WinAirdrop.
And I think we'll probably be on each other's podcasts again in the future, maybe an update
on digital identity one way or the other.
So the second one I did was Forbes.
So Forbes has been doing what they call builder community Twitter spaces, X spaces.
And this one was round number eight.
And I got in on that one with Club Out, Michael, Ron, and myself.
Unfortunately, both of these rubbed, so we did do them.
They were.
They were recorded and done, but you can't listen to them and neither can I, because
it rubbed and there is a problem.
And so it's it's just it's lost.
It's lost now.
I've tried everything I could to download it to listen to it, but it's not possible.
So both of them.
So the first one rubbed, they restarted it.
And then that one.
I can't access that one either.
So unfortunately, I can't show anything from it.
However, it happened.
We did it.
And here I have some notes on what exactly.
What exactly I said.
So there were four questions that were asked.
And the first one was a basic background and introduction.
And I liked this one a lot because Manny and Jack sent out read aheads.
So they sent out a PDF with here's the agenda.
Here's the questions you can expect to prepare for.
So I had some time to think about how I wanted to do this.
And I knew this one was going to be well attended.
This one had over 90 people in it.
So it I mean, it's Forbes, Forbes Web 3.
So it attracted a lot of attention and I was very happy to do this.
So the first question was background introduction where they said, let's start by hearing from
each of you.
What were you doing before Web 3 and what brought you into the space?
So what I explained was that before Web 3, my what I did, quote unquote, was kind of.
It's been you can segment into three or four different buckets.
There's my professional life, my gaming life and my creative entrepreneurship life.
So my professional life, I mentioned the beginning when I did my introduction, I write and wrote
contracts and negotiate them for about 13 years.
So I bought everything from pens to airplanes and I negotiated with Fortune 100 companies.
I signed many, many million dollar contracts.
And now I'm currently a program manager for a fleet of aircraft.
And that program value is over a billion dollars.
So I have a lot of a lot of experience in legally stuff and negotiation stuff, cost
schedule, performance, things leading teams toward product and services, that sort of
stuff.
So that's my first bucket.
My second bucket is my gaming life where and I linked some of these things.
I started podcasting in 2016 when I looked back to see when my first one was.
Mark, like this, it is so embarrassing.
But I've what I've come to what I've come to rest on for myself is that if I can look
back on some of these old things and cringe, that that to me is a good sign that I'm I'm
learning.
I think I've matured since then and it is it is cringy.
I can barely look at it and read it or listen to it anymore.
But podcasting 2016, I started with eSports.
My podcasting endeavor when I was part of a very eSports centric group called the eSports
Professionals Network.
And one of the when one of them I did.
Was on gender leagues.
If you can believe it, even back then, gender leagues was a thing in in eSports where there
were.
I mean, you could you could tell the disparity.
You could see the difference in the way it was attended, the way it was funded, the way
it was promoted.
And so we for EPN, we did a a podcast on that.
This is Isabel Davies.
There's also Carly Morgan and and they're talking about their observations in in gender
leagues within the eSports, whether it be MLG or ESA, the Toronto Sports or ESL, eSports
League.
Yeah, I mean, Isabel absolutely nailed it.
And this whole cross examining thing that she talks about is what I refer to as the
gauntlet of justification where.
Before a woman can even dedicate her time and energy and attention to playing a game
effectively at the highest level of competitive skill, she has to face this collage of questions
about why she's playing and demonstrating her her knowledge of the game and a very highly
literate understanding of the game mechanics and the meta game.
So even then podcasting, you can tell very, very early version of my production quality
I've since upgraded.
But that's how I started out.
You can see kind of like a green screen in the background and then a blackout sheet in
front of a window.
I've got my my boom mic with a cardioid up there, which is which is single directional,
whereas now I have an omnidirectional mic.
Different different things I've learned along the way to pick up.
And now I've got lighting in the background, a little bit of depth to it and shadow.
I've only learned to do that because, well, I've I've been doing it since 2016 and I think
I've published how many?
70?
About 70 podcast episodes at this point.
Yeah.
So I started out podcasting 2016 and then I also was involved in a bit of e-sports governance.
So that would be I kind of put my contract writing background to to use there.
And I devised a a kind of like a U.N. of of e-sports.
We call it the Electronic Sports Republic.
And I basically crafted a whole business plan for with an executive summary, a structure,
how the different how the different parts of the league would function.
And it's basically a way to to work out how voting works and non voting branches, almost
like a Dow.
Looking back on it, you can see the different assemblies and the by I wrote up a bunch of
bylaws and how they would contribute to the regulations and and I spent a lot of time
on this thing, so much time.
We didn't end up implementing it.
But then.
All of this end up being foundation for later things in life.
So it was great experience late either way.
And it was back in 2016.
I wrote this.
So yeah.
So this right here, you could probably apply to a Dow nowadays and the way it's written
and works and there's a charter and a whole bunch of stuff, even even conflict of interest
and put conflict of interest.
I just saw in there different responsibilities.
So I was in podcasting, e-sports governance, content creation.
So it's pretty big into the plan site to MMOFBS.
You don't know what Plan site to is.
It's kind of like Call of Duty or Battlefield.
But instead of 50 players on one side, there's five thousand players on one side.
There are three sides fighting at the same time on a map that is like 20 miles big and
the then the match never stops.
So you're constantly fighting over territory and the game never ends.
And so I did quite a bit of content creation.
Fighting off against something.
Good player base.
Good good days.
Good times.
It was so much fun playing that game.
But I've since cooled down from that for about a for about a year now because of the way
the game has started winding down.
And so my motivation and my ability to play it has winded down as well.
Although, you know, we could always go back to it.
It's still there.
It's just not you know, there's no longer five thousand players playing on each side
anymore.
It's much, much lower, like under under a thousand total versus fifteen thousand.
So a lot's changed since then.
But this one was only two years ago.
In any case, did content creation for a game.
And then I'd say my my greatest achievement was co-founding a community led organization
that ended up breaking a Guinness World Record.
I am so happy and proud of our team that we accomplished this.
Because it because it was it was a huge achievement.
So just co-founding the the group itself, which is kind of a cross between American
NFL and American ESPN.
So it was like we created the tournament matches and we broadcasted them live.
And we've done I think we did maybe 50 or 70 matches at this point with over 400 players
attending and one day it's still still alive.
I just retired from the the leadership of it.
But back in 2015, we decided what if we try and break a Guinness World Record?
And we did.
We organized over a thousand players to to break the record and we helped set the match.
And then we broadcasted it.
And I have a plaque from Guinness World Records with with a special mention Planeside Battles.
So the the game company itself was made by Sony Online Entertainment.
So it's a subsidiary of Sony.
I helped co-founded Planeside Battles, which is a player led organization with the game.
And Planeside Battles, we got a special mention as organized.
So yeah, it was cool.
It was cool.
And you know, over a thousand players playing altogether, which is not hard for the game
to make, which is why it was kind of easy to just break the record.
It was just like another day for Planeside.
We just had to make sure that it was recorded properly by the Guinness World Record folks.
Holds a tack on.
We thought there is no way that you're going to get this back.
And somehow, somehow they've done it two or three different times.
Yeah, yes, they have.
And so we have another situation like that right now at tack on storage where, yes, they
are entrenched, but don't let that show anything right now because the NC have done a fantastic
job.
Finally.
Oh, good.
Good times.
So we broke a Guinness World Record with a player led community that we co-founded and
it still runs today.
The game still holds a record today, too.
That's my gaming life, professional life, gaming life, and then my creative entrepreneurship
life, which I've written novels and I've published them to Amazon.
You can find them in Boston Public Library on Walmart and Barnes and Noble.
And then I used to be a classical composer turned house music and I created some house
tracks and published them to iTunes.
And then my latest was eventually games to sandbox, which there we are right in the middle.
Lower droppers.
So right now we are in zero zero in the sandbox.
Alpha season four, right there, right there in the middle.
So pretty, pretty, pretty cool accomplishment.
I am so happy and proud of the team.
So that was the first part of the question, which was what were you doing before Web3?
And then the second part of the question was what brought you into the space?
And what brought me into the space was in 2015, there were a number of articles about
Bitcoin.
Bitcoin was all the rage back then.
Ethereum.
I don't think Ethereum.
When did Ethereum start?
Hey, thanks, SanSquad.
That's T-Meo.
Thank you so much for the raid.
How are you doing?
2015.
There you go.
So this was just after Ethereum was created.
2015.
So I was reading articles in December of 2015.
I think it was maybe before that.
I can't remember now.
But articles like these, which it was all about Bitcoin.
Should you invest in Bitcoin?
And then there were arguments in favor of it.
There's, there's so many things that you read now.
You're like, duh, of course it is.
But back then we didn't know.
We didn't know.
We just were reading stuff and trying to figure out what it meant.
And so Forbes came out with articles like this years ago.
And I was, I had been reading Forbes since I was 15 years old.
So I caught that article too.
And also Business Insider.
Most of them were talking about Bitcoin.
And back then it was Bitcoin, Litecoin, Ethereum, Ripple.
And there might be one or two other big ones.
I can't recall right now.
But Ethereum, Litecoin, Bitcoin, Ripple were the big ones.
So what brought me in were the articles that kind of explained what it was about.
And we didn't really know.
We didn't have DOWs.
We didn't have anything like that.
So we just knew that it was a coin that you could have on your computer and it was worth
some money.
And maybe you could mine it if you wanted to.
But it was, it was, there was a lot to understand about it.
So I got in about 2015.
And yeah, so I'm an old geezer at this point when it comes to Bitcoin.
All right.
So the next part was question number two.
What was your path to Web 3?
What was the turning point or motivation that led you to dive into Web 3?
And for me, that second question there in red meant that they meant to ask it, but they
didn't.
So because of how many people were there and the rugging and all sorts of stuff, they just
stuck with the first part of the question.
So that first part was what was the turning point and the motivation that led me to diving
into Web 3?
The turning point was in 2017 when a whole bunch of lending platforms started coming
out.
And you all probably heard some of these memes before, but the the BitConnect scam, the control
finance scam, the one coin scam, the big push on referral links, which was closely related
to what people call undisclosed payments and shilling now.
But there were a lot of suspicious promises of high interest payouts.
Some end up being Ponzi schemes and scams and a lot of YouTube videos were coming out
of people promoting these things.
What we call shilling now.
Shilling has kind of changed since then.
But back then it was real shilling where people would be like, hey, buy this coin.
It'll go up real, real fast.
Or hey, join this lending platform because it's going to promise you 20% return every
day.
These things are very suspicious and in most cases unrealistic.
So I just saw too many videos of that and I needed to provide a counterbalance because
if you have any, I mean, if you're an investor of any kind, you know, stock payouts and those
numbers, it just wasn't making sense.
So I started a YouTube channel to provide some clarity and to fact check a lot of these
lending platforms that claimed you're going to get 2% a day.
And my biggest one was BitConnect, which ended up making it on The Daily Show with John Oliver
after he took over from John Stewart.
And this is the this is the segment from six years ago.
But remember, the market was soaring and Big Connect had excited investors like this guy
who spoke at one of the conferences.
Let me tell you that we are really changing the world as we know it.
The world is not anymore the way it used to be.
So it was like that back then.
And what I did was I did videos where I was a fact checker.
And so I would put together these these Excel documents that would track how the money went
from payout to bank account.
And so if you know anything about Coffeezilla, I was like a pre-released alpha version of
him.
And so so BitConnect control finance, one coin.
So the one coin era, which was a multi billion dollar scam where the I think her name was
Crypto Queen.
She's still on the run after that.
But one of the co-founders was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
One of the main one of the main organizers for BitConnect was just sentenced earlier
this year in California to I think three years in prison.
So it's taken a while for them all to get caught and put in an injustice served.
But it was it is happening.
And so referral links were a big time big thing there.
And I didn't push referral links.
I saw those danger as red flags big time early on.
And I think that saved me big time because I was making videos about these things about
these about these opportunities.
Let's call them the end of being Ponzi schemes and scams.
And I would not push any of the referral links because it just it was too suspicious to me.
And this is what that looked like back then.
As of today, I have not posted for that website.
The problem is that the referral system is not an accurate representation of what these
crypto investment opportunities are offering.
Instances where we're focused rather than where it should be, which is a natural reward
for showing other people that this opportunity is available at their time.
My desire is to increase the frequency that I test new crypto investment opportunity.
This was way back then.
2017 feels like a lifetime ago.
And I was pushing out these videos, specifically the fact checker videos.
And that's what I was mostly known for.
The total interest payout was twenty nine thousand dollars, which was about fifteen
hundred dollars lower than the advertised raw amount.
The highest payout was four hundred and eighty five dollars and sixty two cents.
That occurred on.
That's the big huge spreadsheet that I put together to track how all the money went.
And most of them didn't live up to what they said they were going to pay out.
It became so obvious when you just track the money.
They said they were going to pay this out.
You only got this amount.
And then by the time it got to your wallet, it was even less than that.
So that's what this was.
All I did was just track everything and I streamed it.
I put it on YouTube and it became a hit.
It became a big hit.
So a lot of people were able to watch my videos and see what the realities were behind these
huge crypto lending platforms that end up becoming scams.
But the time people could only speculate because at the time they all touted this secret trading
bot algorithm and no one had ever seen these trading bots.
But these are the first time these things kind of come out.
So most people thought that it was plausible because trading bots like the old gun bot
trading bots were a big thing back then.
Trading bots is basically a computer program that buys you that trade on an exchange for
you spots uptrends and and by spots downtrends and sells.
So or vice versa, depending on your strategy and what your goals were.
So these lending platforms came out promising high returns using trading bots that they
say that they did wonders for and created things for.
And so I did this this tracker, which which tracks the real return on investment if you
were to invest money in it.
And I did that across many different lending platforms.
So yeah, that was my that was what changed the game and brought me back into crypto after
dabbling in it starting in 2015 ish time frame.
And like I said, I was an early version of Coffeezilla and coincidentally enough, Coffeezilla,
who is a very he's a world famous scam investigator.
He recently got into crypto a couple of years ago, scam investigating because of how much
scam there is going on in crypto.
And he's been on Lex Friedman.
He's been on Joe Rogan.
So he's really well known, but I was very, very much an early version of him, whereas
he he kind of tells a story.
He's like a narrative storyteller.
And me, I'm more of a analytical fact checker.
And I, I bring the numbers to bear.
And I'm showing the numbers of it promised 5%.
It only gives you point 2% in reality.
I felt much more comfortable weaving the numbers together and calculating Excel formulas to
to show what really happens versus kind of storytelling on what I think was happening
because most of us didn't know what was happening.
Most of us didn't know how to interpret it.
You could call it a scam if you wanted to, but you really didn't know.
Nobody did.
Not until one of them got indicted by the by court system in in Texas and the whole
thing imploded.
Another one got indicted by I think the European Union or or subpoenaed.
And then that one collapsed and then they all started toppling after that because people
started turning their attention and their scrutiny to it.
And that's kind of where FUD came from, by the way, a lot of FUD came out of stuff like
that.
But we'll talk about the dark history of FUD in a different slide.
So anyways, it was a coffeezilla.
And this is coffeezilla coincidentally interviewing someone who was very important in the BitConnect
community, Trevon James.
He ended up getting indicted by the SEC.
And I, Trevon James, one of the ways I found out about BitConnect.
So when I say people, people making videos about BitConnect and and all the stuff that
they were doing to promote, this is one of those people.
And his name was Trevon James.
And coffeezilla interviewed him to try and confront him a little bit about why he did
what he did and all that.
And it was interesting to see things.
And this was only three years ago.
So he did this 2021 when all this stuff happened in 2017.
And so and so coffee interviewed him, someone who I had seen around in BitConnect community
while it was all happening.
He was one of the biggest promoters.
But listen to this part.
This is the this was the.
I'm not not a genius when it comes to crypto.
You're gonna have to accept that.
But but I did some digging into you, obviously, prior to this interview.
So Trevon was one of the biggest promote the biggest maybe promoter of the next.
Don't don't try to don't try to not Carlos Matos.
I thought it was Carlos.
Carlos Matos, by the way, was the one we just showed was like big connect.
OK, that's the meme about BitConnect.
That's Carlos Matos.
This is Trevon James.
It was no Carlos was very so you screwed over a lot of people, a lot of people left hanging
the bag.
A lot of people left people left with a bag, a lot of people losing a ton of money.
I'm just going to be real with you.
So there you go.
So so as you can see, coffee's a pretty hard hitting.
And whereas I stuck to more of the quantity stuff, what I could prove via numbers, he
talked more about the the narrative of it.
And he's been much more successful than I, whereas I was like a very, very early version.
And I netted some some tens of thousands of views, but he nets millions.
So I'm pretty for the most part, I really enjoy coffee and what he does.
So anyways, there's that.
And so that was the question number two, your path to Web3.
Then there was question number three, which is current focus in Web3.
What are your what are you currently focused on building or contributing to within the
Web3 space?
And all I did was talk about how I'm president of MetaWorlds.
I go over that with my disclaimers, you know, the Sandow podcast and the different experiences,
lava defense, which is Game Maker 2023.
It's still there, but it's not like a huge, huge hit versus versus floor droppers, which
has many thousands of plays now.
And then all my all of our proposals that we put together.
At this point, we put together eight.
And Sandow podcast, which as of today is thirty six episodes done, thirty six episodes or
Sandow podcast.
So cool.
The content really just makes itself.
I love this.
And then I talked about how how does my previous work?
How does my previous experiences inform your current work?
I do mention this anyways, even though they didn't ask the question.
I tend to look at project founders and how public they are a little bit more so because
of what I just went through and went through with the lending platforms, scams and implosions.
So I look at the founders a little bit more.
And if you go back to some of my videos for cryptocurrency fact checking, you can see
how I investigate the website and how I know the red flags along the way and how it's just
some of them were.
They didn't hide it very well.
Some of them you could easily tell they were not prepared.
They were not either truthful or just things weren't adding up.
And how if you were looking at it with a reasonable eye, you would not want to invest in some
of those things.
So then we went on to.
Yeah, and that's what I did to sandbox.
I looked at how public they were.
So Seb is super public, goes to all the conferences.
Arthur, but they did he you can find videos on him easy dating back many years.
And then what the community says about it, if you hear a lot of bad and good, that's
usually a good sign to me.
If you hear nothing but good, there's something probably there you need to dig up because
that's where the dark, the dark history of Fudd come into play.
And we'll talk about that afterwards.
But if you only hear great things and how great it is, you need to dig deeper.
If you hear good and bad that you're probably on the right track.
If you only hear bad, then you probably need to be careful, because maybe there is a good
reason why everyone's talking bad about it.
But it also could just be subject to the whim of the Twitter mob and the crypto mob.
Sometimes they very unfairly attack something like our friends over at Bankless Media, the
way I just was introduced to them through podcasting.
And I hope to do an interview with them in the future.
And the Bankless Dow, which is now I think called Black Flag Dow.
But in any case, the controversy and arbitrum, it seemed like it was very unfairly directed
at Bankless Media and Bankless Dow.
But we'll see in the future when we interview, if we do.
And so, you know, look at what the community says.
And then look at the product.
In this case, for sandbox, when I did my own little, my own little inspection of the sandbox,
right away, you can see all sorts of stuff.
There's a product, there's a game you can download, you can get assets, you can buy
things, you can.
In the about section, you can look at all the documentation and you can see trailers.
Like it's a well built product.
You can even see who the owners are.
There's all sorts of stuff that is easily traceable if you wanted to.
Very different from 2017 when most of these things were incorporated in countries that
didn't do much verification.
And so that was already suspect.
So my experience there brought me a lot of tools that I use and a lot of things I use
to judge projects by.
And then question number four, join the Forbes Web 3 community.
What made you decide to join the Forbes Web 3 community and what do you hope to gain or
contribute to your involvement?
And for me, it to me was a no brainer with the legacy pass.
Forbes has been in the Web 2, even the Web 1 world for a long time.
It was to me, I saw this as a good faith effort by Forbes to dip their toes in.
And we since learned in one of their latest Twitter feeds or Twitter spaces about DOWs,
coincidentally enough, how Manny has a team of 10 and they're fully committed.
They're not just dipping their toes in.
They have a whole department of Web 3 that is dedicated to Web 3 and legacy pass and
the furtherance of integrating into Web 3.
So I see it as a good faith effort by them.
I don't think they're going to rug.
And for me, I want to be a voice of integrity and progress.
I want to help build things.
I want to talk about the things that we can do well in, that we do do well in.
I want to talk about the things that we could do better in.
To me, it's not about FUD and we're about to get into that, how that dark history has
just taken on a whole thing of its own within crypto that I really dislike.
But you can talk good about things and you can talk bad about things and both are important.
So I want to apply my professional skill toward the DOWs, specifically to the sandbox DOW
because I'm so invested into it.
And I'm going to be running for sandbox special counsel.
What I wanted to talk about next was one of the reasons why I'm having this podcast.
It's not just to talk about what I talked about at these podcasts.
There are some best practices and some things I've learned along the years.
And especially now that I'm becoming more involved in DOWs, more in leadership and governance
and all sorts of stuff, I want to share some interesting stuff that I've come across that
I think could be useful to know.
Take it for what it will, for what you will.
This is just my opinion.
I certainly don't know everything.
So there's some best practices for going on a podcast.
At this point, like I said, I've been doing it since 2016 and I've been on and I published
maybe 80, 90 podcasts at this point.
So best practice when going on podcasts in web three, to stick to web three.
Okay.
First thing is disclose your status.
You don't, it might be embarrassing or you might feel that people are going to call you
out upfront, but I promise you, if you disclose your status, it is far, it's going to go far
better for you than if people find out you have a conflict of interest later and you
didn't.
Trust and reputation is instantly damaged if you fail to disclose your status.
And sometimes there's some, we're also interconnected.
We don't have like this huge laundry list, just the thing that is applicable to you at
the time.
So for me, one of my favorite disclosures is that I'm a sandbox community member.
I'm not a sandbox employee, not part of the sandbox DAO admin team.
It's important that I disclose that because sometimes the way I talk, it can be construed
as authority or that I speak on behalf of someone.
I speak on behalf of myself.
I don't speak on behalf of the DAO or I don't speak on behalf of the sandbox game company.
I speak as a community member.
I'm podcasting as a community member.
That is at this point, I've said it so much, it feels very comfortable to me to say that.
And I make that disclosure on almost every podcast I go on.
And especially if I can remember to.
It's important.
If you are talking about someone and they are paying you or they're your best friend,
disclose that.
It will go far better for you in the long run.
I promise.
The second thing is always, always disclose if you're being paid for your efforts.
And some, in some industries you're required to and will be illegal for you not to, especially
in marketing.
YouTubers sometimes get in trouble for this when they're, when they're being paid to sponsor
programs but they don't disclose that.
YouTube and everyone, Twitch has cracked down on that a lot.
But for you all in crypto, it's sometimes it could be kind of obscure.
Who's really paying who if they're being paid at all.
So if you are receiving payments or there's a conflict of interest somewhere, disclose
that.
The latest thing for me was the, the eight point Dow where I helped authored a, an AIP
that's currently going up for vote.
And we call it the reset bill to give clarity and transparency and empower the special counsel.
There is an opposing, not opposing, there is a different bill that's gone up called
the revamp bill.
It looks to dissolve the special counsel.
So whenever I comment on that thread, I, I disclose that I am also the author of this
other bill, which is wants to continue the special counsel.
This bill wants to remove the special counsel.
It just works better.
I find that people take it on better and that there's more trust that's built upfront versus
later on them find out, Oh, you were so such an advocate for it, or you're really against
it.
And then you had a personal connection to it some way.
So disclose your conflicts of interest and your undisclosed payments upfront.
It'll go better for you.
All right.
So the next thing words that use words that a majority of people are going to know, you
might think you're sounding really smart or that you gain a lot of credibility by using
all of these nice big words, but in the vast majority of times you are, you're just confusing
people.
And while they might think that, you know, what you're talking about, I don't think they're
going to fully trust you.
And it's just my sense.
Like I said, my opinion in the end, the people who can communicate more clearly are the people
that people listen to mostly.
So use words that people know.
And that's why I say, and you heard earlier when I, when I showed some of the podcasts
for tech talk that I use things like sandbox is like Minecraft.
People know what Minecraft is.
So many more people know what Minecraft is than know what sandbox is.
So when you try and give them a picture of something they know and trust already because
they have first hand use of it, you use things they already know like Minecraft.
And instead of saying a metaverse game, most people don't even know what metaverse is.
When you say metaverse, people think of ready player one and they think of, of Facebook's
VR headset.
So use Minecraft like it tells them where they are in their brain.
Instead of saying sandbox game community, just instead of saying sand fam say sandbox
game community.
It puts words together that they can, that they can associate with sandbox being the
thing you just told them about game being a game they play and the community being a
social network of people instead of saying sand fam.
So I say the sandbox family, we call ourselves sand fam.
It's basically a sandbox game community.
Done.
Easy.
Instead of saying Vox art it Vox editor, say artist.
People know what artists are.
Instead of saying game maker, say level designer.
People know what level designers are because of game development.
They don't know what a game maker is.
It's too nebulous.
Maybe a maker of games like EA sports.
Maybe but most of the time you're talking about the person who installed the game maker
program using Vox, Vox art to weave together a level, level designer.
Just say that.
And then digital real estate, say that word instead of land, land owner has too many different
places it could go.
So if you say digital real estate, that puts you in a very, very particular box that you
can then build on and explaining what a land owner is.
Instead of saying web three, most people don't know what web three is.
Even crypto people, those who have been in the game since 2008 when the white paper launched,
I think, or when I went in and the bull run of 2015, I didn't know what web three was
until earlier this year.
Web three is a new concept, a brand new concept.
Most people don't know what web three is even in the crypto space.
So if you say things like the next version of the internet, then they start to place
where it is in the terminology and the vocabulary and the framework.
Again, this is just my opinion based on my experience.
Take it or leave it.
No problem.
And then let's get into translating terminology.
So this is more particular to us and San Fam and web three.
You got to translate terminology.
Not just to web two people, but to also to other web three people.
Let's first talk about the word rug.
So rug is a term I had never heard before until the last couple of years before we used
to even crypto people.
That's the way I should put this.
So translate new web three terminology to old crypto people.
Rug.
We used to say the word scam.
Okay, rug rug was not a thing back then.
I did start hearing the word people got rugged.
I think it was a rug pull, right?
People used to be rug pulled maybe 2020 2019, but still really, really new.
Back then it was just a scam.
Okay.
So the word alpha, alpha is getting the 411 or getting the scoop on things.
I had no idea what the word alpha was until I heard it earlier this year.
I had to have someone explain it to me.
Whale.
Whale has been around for a while.
All right.
So wait, I know what whale was.
They were using whale even back then.
It's a high net worth individual.
Okay.
Mooning.
So mooning used to be called to the moon, right?
So go to the moon.
And that used to be called that because not just of a crypto thing going up, but also
when Dogecoin was put on a rocket somewhere and it was at the moon or it was a whole thing.
But mooning is like a verb now, I guess.
And it means that it's going to go up.
So price increase.
Meme coin.
That one's been around for a while.
But when you're trying to explain it to a web two person, it's a popularity coin based
on a fad.
So that's how I explain it to a web two person.
Shill.
Shill to me has been taken too far nowadays.
Shill used to be properly called when you called someone when they were an excessive
promoter of things.
So most of the time when you're in Telegram or Discord or YouTube comments or a YouTube
video, a shill was a person who would pop in there and copy paste 10 messages and say
buy X coin because it's going up 2000% in the next two hours.
Hurry before it gets there.
So that's the whole get an early thing that you all hear about nowadays.
That's where it came from.
Shill was a person who did that too much.
Way too much.
An excessive promoter of things.
All right.
Nowadays I hear that people call shill like you would call someone stupid.
Hey, you're stupid.
It just, I think it's silly to me.
I got called a shill once for posting a one hour interview on a Discord channel or in
a Twitter feed.
I think it was related to what we were talking about in the X space.
Someone called me a shill and I'm like, really?
Dude, you have no idea what that word means if you're calling me a shill.
A well thought out interview of thought and long form content.
That's ridiculous.
But shill, that's what it means.
An excessive promoter.
Then you start getting into kind of the acronym soup.
FOMO.
Failure, fear, fear of missing out.
FOMO.
So fear of missing out.
NFA.
That's a new one.
People use NFA.
The word itself isn't, so not a financial advice, has been around for a long time, but
no one called it NFA.
It's like the whole kind of new age crypto, web three people, doing acronyms of things.
So NFA.
First of all, I don't ever recommend you use that because just saying the word NFA doesn't
say not financial advice.
It's definitely not something that's going to help you if you ever end up in court.
To say, oh, I said the word NFA.
Don't.
To use the word not financial advice.
Wagme?
I did not know what that one was.
I had to look it up.
We're all going to make it.
Wagme.
And then FUD.
Let's talk about FUD.
FUD is a term that started out dark.
So FUD.
I really saw FUD in 2016 when I started doing the fact checking videos.
Some of my stuff was called FUD and the reason why, not just my stuff, but I witnessed, I
was in Telegram stuff, but different Telegram groups as a fact checker, but at different
Telegram groups, different circles because I was fact checking while I was fact checking.
I was buying into some of these things to fact check how it all went down.
But part of that brought me into circles where I witnessed people weaponize the word FUD
against other crypto people.
And most of the time those other crypto people were just asking the question about what something
was or they came in and say, hey, what is this?
This kind of looks weird.
And then the admin of the Telegram group would ban that person and then just start a shit
rant on them to start ranting about them.
Someone who just asked a question about something.
And so FUD was used as kind of like a ban hammer term to boot someone out and all of
these different Ponzi schemes.
So to protect their community, they would ban newcomers who expressed anything other
than I don't know, Kim Jong Un style adherence to their plan or their persona or their whatever.
So if you fell out of line, you got FUDded.
And so FUD has this dark history in my view of crypto people weaponizing that against
other crypto people.
And most of them were reasonable.
Some of them weren't.
Some of them were trolls.
We call them grifter now as I guess.
But FUD was a bad term to me.
It was a term to weaponize against people who reasonably brought in uncertainty, brought
in doubt.
The fear thing, I think is just kind of an acronym.
There wasn't much fear that I saw.
The only fear I saw were that the people who are the admins afraid of losing their credibility
for other people who walked in and say, hey, this thing doesn't make any sense.
You can't be promising 10% a day.
And people were like, that's FUD and then banned them.
So whenever someone accuses someone else of FUD, I kind of have a moment because it had
this really dark history of being weaponized against other crypto people by crypto people
hoping to retain their power or to retain their influence and don't let their credibility
be questioned.
Whereas now that's not good for DAOs.
FUD is not a phrase I want to hear people use against other people in DAOs because in
DAOs you really do have millions on the line of people who invested, who are credible reputation
people and when, and it is, it is our place to question things.
So I, someone used that term against me long ago and I, I didn't say much about it.
I kind of just like, okay, I understand where you're coming from, but I can start to see
it creep back in, in the DAO space of some people calling other people FUD.
And for me, the ban hammer didn't in 2016, 2017, when all this went down, the ban hammer
wasn't soon thereafter.
They were exiled from the community.
And I wonder at people using that phrase, not realizing the dark history it has.
So I haven't seen the bans happen on the DAOs yet, but people start calling other people
FUD, FUDding or FUDders and then it's just trust me.
Then you don't have to trust me.
You can go back in time and see how FUD was used against other crypto people.
I don't like it.
I don't like the way the terms used and it's a dangerous thing.
You just, you just call someone a FUD and then you, you put this stink on them.
That isn't most of the time.
I don't think half the time is deserving.
So there you go.
So finished with that portion.
And let's move to the second part of the slide.
So things I learned, things I learned, not just being on advertisement, things I learned,
not just being on podcasts, but through my own podcasting.
Here's some things I learned.
When you start sounding like a walking advertisement, as is sometimes I do when I'm on a podcast
talking about sandbox.
I talk about all the great things it is.
Don't be afraid, be afraid to reiterate your disclosure.
Here's an example of me doing that on tech talk.
I think when AirDrop and Network mentioned, you know, their kids sandbox is of the two,
the more kid friendly version, you know, the, just the way it looks and then the way it's
moderated and protected.
So there's no, there's no voice chat that you might find in Call of Duty where you have
to police your kids and that sort of thing.
There are in-game moderators that kind of check to make sure that conduct is healthy.
And so they kind of police that a little bit more so.
And so it looked to me the most inviting of the two.
And then the ecosystem behind it was just enormous.
So that's the way I kind of introduced the sandbox.
I'm by no means a spokesperson of the sandbox.
Like I said, I'm just a community member.
I'm someone who's passionate about, you know, existing.
I own land.
So I buy, I've bought land.
I've published experiences like little mini games to the sandbox that people can play.
And I believe in the vision and the mission of it.
And I want to be a productive community member to where we make it better.
So when I was describing, when I was responding to the questions, I started to sound like
a walking advertisement.
It was like sandbox is great.
Here's all the stuff we can do.
And I, there was a point in time when I felt it was needed for me to reiterate my disclosure
that, again, I'm not a sandbox employee.
I'm not a Dow person.
I'm just a community member.
I'm just someone who is here.
I'm passionate.
And then here's the next part.
Don't be afraid to admit something you think should be improved.
Like that's where the FUD fear comes in, where people are afraid to be labeled FUD.
I'm past that.
I'm way past that.
If I don't agree with something, especially in the Dow space, I now bring it up because
I've seen what happens when you don't.
And I don't want that.
I don't want to see that in our community and San Fam.
So I admit when I think something should be improved and also don't be afraid to reinforce
that you do not have any undisclosed payments to a sandbox person.
This is just me telling you my experience and my interactions with it.
And I'm not making anything from this either.
So those interaction layers, so I go into the whole thing about interaction layers of
the ecosystem.
But when you start sounding like a walking advertisement, which is not hard to do when
talking about the sandbox and how great things are, there's three things at your disposal
when it comes to your reputation, your credibility, or people's trust in you and what you're saying.
You can reiterate your disclosure.
You can mention things that, hey, just because it is really, really cool, there's also this
that you have to watch out for.
That to me is a healthy amount of, that's a healthy thing to say.
And then reiterate that you're not being paid for.
And if you are, reiterate that you are being paid.
That sort of reminder, I think, is a good protective element for both you and sandbox
because it tells people, here's what it is and here's why I'm saying it.
And that that why can sometimes be really, really important to the listener.
The other thing I learned operating in space, most people don't know what the sandbox is.
They might have heard the word the sandbox and somehow associate it with a game.
Most people don't know what it is.
So when you explain it to them, explain it in terms they understand, like it looks like
Minecraft.
It's on the blockchain.
All these different terms they do know.
Most people associate Metaverse with Ready Player One and Facebook VR.
So if you don't remember Ready Player One, it was that really cool game, that game was
a really cool movie that got a lot of hype.
Looked like this.
The Oasis was the brainchild of James Halliday.
Hello, if you're watching this, I'm dead.
I created a hidden object, an Easter egg.
And then there's all sorts of gamer stuff going on.
A lot of cool references.
Halo and the old robot movie from our childhood.
But most people think when you say Metaverse, they think Ready Player One movie and they
think Facebook VR headset.
Neither which applies to the sandbox.
So you just have to understand that that's usually what they're thinking when you say
Metaverse game.
And so when I describe it, I describe it with that in mind.
And then I kind of redirect the language to say it looks like Minecraft.
Actually, you play it on your computer.
You integrate with the blockchain with NFTs.
When you swing a sword, you're swinging an NFT on the blockchain.
That sort of stuff.
And then when you're talking to a Web 2 audience or even a Web 1 audience, most of the time
I found that they have a negative or neutral perception of blockchain, NFTs and cryptocurrency.
There's just too much mainstream media that will call it a scam.
The whole thing a scam or a gambling.
I hear that a lot.
It's gambling.
And whether it be John Oliver at The Daily Show or even not so much Forbes, but used
to be Forbes and you'll still find old articles on CNN or Business Insider, really well known
respected journals will have a lot of what we used to call FUD.
There's that term again.
And you can see how complicated that term can get.
But most Web 2 people have a negative or neutral perception of our industry in Web 3.
So that negative publicity is something you have to either address or talk clearly through.
The more you start talking about layer one and layer two and Polygon versus Ethereum
and this fight they had and whatever.
What they're worried about is if I invest in this thing, is it going to lose me money?
Why should I even get involved in this thing?
Digital property ownership.
Why is that important to me?
The way Yatsu describes digital property ownership in his TED talk, I've done that in a, I've
showed that in a previous podcast is phenomenal.
To me, it's I'm taking notes on how to describe it in a way where you look at your doom scrolling
on TikTok as you're giving labor to the algorithm of TikTok.
You're giving them free data, which they then turn around and sell and monetize.
You're not getting paid for that at all.
Whereas Web 3, it turns that around.
You're able to start making money off of your efforts, your play to earn sort of thing,
play and earn.
So the negative publicity around the scams and the fear around the regulatory things
with the SEC and the Wells notices and the Howie tests, all of that creates a negative
or neutral perception of the Web 3.
So that's just something that's a fact.
It's just, it's just known whenever you operate in those audiences that they will, that that's
what you're talking around.
And so how do I end with, how do I describe the sandbox?
My most recent explanation was liking it, liking it to a mall.
And I came up with that one kind of on the fly during tech talk and I really liked it.
So I wrote it down so that I can explain it that way in the future.
But it went a little bit like this.
That's the very first thing is what you play on is owned by someone.
So like, like your building, when you walk into a building in a mall, that mall is owned
by someone who owns the land.
The mall that you walk into the building was built by someone, most of which is minted
on the blockchain somewhere.
So the tree that you're looking at is a doesn't have to be, but a lot of times it's an asset
on the blockchain.
The chair that you sit down on or the walls that you see, all of it was built by someone.
And if they choose to, they can mint that on the blockchain.
And also the sword that you swing or the shoes that you wear, all the equipables, the props,
those were designed by an artist who could, if they choose, also mint that on the blockchain.
And so you have these different interaction layers.
Even the avatar that you walk around with, like I mentioned earlier, World of Women or
Board 8 Yacht Club.
If you have any of those avatars, a number of them have a, I don't remember what they
call them, like a bridge where if you, if you join the sandbox game, a lot of these
avatars that you have, you can, odds are you can probably use at least one of them free.
You're not paying anything extra.
So there, I described it like a mall where the land is owned by someone, the stores,
so the experiences are owned by someone, what's built around the buildings or the equipment
or the assets are all built by someone.
And so I described it like that.
And I think I'm going to make it better, but I like the way it came across.
So I'll probably use that term again.
And then, and then the next thing is I describe it as an ecosystem.
And now, nowadays I have a slide on it.
So this slide, oops, too zoomed in.
So this slide right here, the people product purpose, I go over this every slide, every
podcast now since podcast 31 where I introduced it, but it's new.
Before I was just talking it through and now I have a visual to show people.
So the ecosystem, I talk about how there are multiple types of people and career fields
within the sandbox.
So you've got, you've got developers, you have business people, you have entrepreneurs,
you have designers, artists, you have speculators.
So people will buy sell brokers, all sorts of different types of people in the sandbox.
And they all contribute to the ecosystem of a functioning game.
And that's how I do that.
So cool.
Think we might be done with the podcast.
We went through, we went through the tech talk questions.
Those are done.
We went through the four questions.
All right, so tech talk was on October 16th with when airdrop after doing a podcast on
mine, we did one on his and the four questions there.
Then we went on to forge web three a day later with Manny and Jack as the host and answer
the four questions there.
And then we just went over best practices that I found along the way and things I've
learned and how do I describe the sandbox.
So yeah, there's our podcast.
Let's look at future episodes.
So our future episodes, future episodes, I have, we're done with 36.
That one's all done with now.
The next one though is going to be tomorrow, Monday.
So episode 37, I'm going to be doing an interview with a writer from Dow Times.
And I ran across them while I was researching one of the podcasts about the birth of sandbox
and also ran across them when writing the AIP for 8.DOW.
So I'm going to be interviewing Clement, possibly one other writer, and we're going to be talking
about lessons learned that they've seen in different DOWs.
Then I'm going to be doing before the end of the week, I'll have prepared and finished
my podcast episode on sandbox DOW constitution, the articles and incorporation and the memo,
all the founding documents.
So I'm going to be looking at that and all the questions and stuff I have from there.
Then we're going to be doing a follow up of Magic Palette with Pepe coming up really soon.
And then I'll start into my series of the sandbox ecosystem.
I really am looking forward to that.
I think the visuals that I create out of that are going to be very helpful to me in my future
podcasts after that.
And helping explain and otherwise think about how we're going to work in the ecosystem,
especially when it comes to me working in and operating as a community member in the
DOW.
I'm learning a lot about DOWs.
I just got my DOW certification from the blockchain council.
So they call it blockchain council.org.
So the blockchain council, I just finished that certification a couple of days ago, I
think.
And I did the Web3 Metaverse.
I did the, where are you, there, I did this one, the Certified DOW Expert course.
Got the certification.
Hello everyone, and welcome to the introduction and overview of the blockchain council Certified
DOW Expert Certification Program.
I learned a lot from it.
I learned a lot about DOWs and how they function.
And there's also a lot of other certifications I'll be taking to try and learn about cryptocurrency
and Metaverse and tokenomics and all sorts of stuff so I can be a bit more educated.
But there are a lot of other certifications out there that you can look for.
And if you're interested in being a certified DOW expert, the blockchain council is one
of the major ones that I've seen when I Googled it.
But let me know also if you all find other certifications on DOWs.
I've been looking for them.
I'm trying to educate myself as much as I can on how DOWs function, how they use smart
contracts and the different tools that are available like Discourse or Tally, Snapshot
and all sorts of stuff like that.
But that episode is coming up pretty soon.
That series is coming up pretty soon for the DOW, the sandbox ecosystem, starting with
the DOW.
Sandbox Bases.
On Discord, we have the DOW discussion space.
Then also the sandbox DOW forums.
On Twitter there's Sandfam and the sandbox DOW and the sandbox game hashtags.
Also the sandbox DOW Twitter account.
Do subscribe to the sandbox DOW YouTube channel.
That first episode is coming up in about a week with Kunta.
He's going to be going over a lot of the responses to the poll.
And my Sandow podcast is on there as is Sandfam Cafe.
So check that out too when you have time.
For Twitter and X Spaces, you've got Mochaverse Hall, also called United Grand Halls on Monday.
You've got Bulls on the Block on Saturday, Coffee with Captain, Monday through Friday,
and Natively Digital with Whale Members on Tuesday.
They also just launched their DOW Whale Members.
They are one of the most, the biggest landowners in sandbox.
So I currently have a proposal with Whale DOW for them to vote on every sandbox proposal,
whereas before they haven't been voting.
So we're trying to get them integrated as members to help with Quorum.
And thank you all for your time.
Today was about the Sandow podcast 31, Forge Web 3, and Tech Talk podcasts and the different
lessons I've learned and the history.
Actually it turned out to be a history of myself as well.
So thank you all.
And we are now going to rate.