1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,440 Hello everyone, Sandow Podcast number 36. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:15,560 Today is going to be a little bit about some of my recent appearances on a couple podcast 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:23,000 shows, particularly Forbes Web 3, the Builders podcast, and then the Tech Talk podcast with 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,400 I Heart Domains. 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:32,440 This is going to be a little bit of commentary woven into today, but ultimately this is mostly 6 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:39,560 about some things I saw, some things I noted, and some patterns that I wanted to get out 7 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:45,960 there that I'd like to share. 8 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:51,640 Disclaimer is I do not represent the Sandbox game or the Sandbox foundation, which is the 9 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:52,640 Dow. 10 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,240 We are not your financial or legal advisors, and nothing I say is to be taken as financial 11 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,920 or legal advice. 12 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,520 When I say the word SIP, I mean Sandbox Improvement Proposal. 13 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,760 When I say the word Dow, that means Decentralized Autonomous Organization. 14 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:14,680 And when I say SandFam, I'm talking about everyone in the Sandbox community who participates 15 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,480 in the people, the product, and the purpose. 16 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,840 The people being the gamers, game makers, voxel artists, landowners, sandholders, Dow 17 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:28,440 delegates, participants in the Sandbox team, the product being the game client, boxed edit, 18 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,520 game maker, the market, and the Dow, and the purpose being what's explained in the white 19 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:44,160 paper and by the various leaders of Sandbox, Seb, Arthur, Yat, and all of that turning 20 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,840 together making the ecosystem go round for the Sandbox. 21 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:56,840 Scoreboard has been quiet as of late, mostly because the Dow admin team is working on bringing 22 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:04,440 the delegation system online and approving the delegates to start doing delegate things. 23 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:10,960 So as a result, there have been no new SIPs on draft or open for voting. 24 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,640 And that means the checkbook hasn't moved either. 25 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:21,920 So we're still sitting at 2.3% having been spent, which is 16, 15% of the 15.5 million 26 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:23,520 Sand budget. 27 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,760 We're still at 211,000 token holders. 28 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,760 We're at 15 proposals instead of 13. 29 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:44,560 And voters are, there's 22,200 voters casting about 9,200 votes across those 15 proposals. 30 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:45,560 My name is Lanzer. 31 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:51,960 I'm the podcast host for Sandow podcast, which is a podcast all about the Sandbox Dow bringing 32 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,560 you educational and news updates. 33 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,820 I'm also president of the Matterworlds group. 34 00:02:58,820 --> 00:03:02,260 We have published two experiences in the Sandbox. 35 00:03:02,260 --> 00:03:08,040 One is Floor Droppers, which is currently in Alpha season four at zero zero. 36 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:16,440 And the second one is Lava Defense, which is a Game Maker Fund 2023 project. 37 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:22,120 My background is contract negotiation and program management. 38 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:31,200 And I've been a creative entrepreneur publishing novels to Amazon, music to iTunes and games 39 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,960 to the Sandbox and other things, but the Sandbox. 40 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,280 So we're going to focus our discussion on two things that I mentioned in the beginning. 41 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:49,560 There's Tech Talk with Win AirDrop, also goes by iHeart Domains. 42 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:56,440 And there was a podcast, it was October 16th. 43 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,480 So it was a couple weeks ago now, a few weeks ago. 44 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:10,080 And he did a podcast with me and another and a guest. 45 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,600 And it was called Exploring the Metaverse Digital Identity and Opportunities in Virtual 46 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,400 Communities. 47 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:24,160 So he and I did a podcast on Sandow not long before that. 48 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:32,760 And it was a podcast, 29. 49 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,280 And it was all about the digital identity as well. 50 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:49,000 Spoken from the perspective of digital identity from how does identity work within the Sandbox 51 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,360 and so on and so forth. 52 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,760 Hey, Creator, how are you doing in the chat? 53 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,760 Appreciate you stopping by. 54 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,760 So that right there is podcast 29. 55 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:08,700 But then I went on his podcast to talk about his stuff for digital identity. 56 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:10,000 And it went a lot different. 57 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,480 So it wasn't a repeat. 58 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:17,880 There were two totally different vantage points from identity. 59 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:26,980 And mine was more from him asking questions about identity as it pertains to the Sandbox. 60 00:05:26,980 --> 00:05:32,920 And then this one was about digital identity as a whole. 61 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,320 So you can find it on YouTube. 62 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,440 We'll be referencing a few times. 63 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,120 But you can find his channel on YouTube. 64 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,240 And it was called Exploring the Metaverse Digital Identity and Opportunities in Virtual 65 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Current Communities. 66 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,120 That one right there. 67 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:56,080 The second one was Forbes Web 3, which happened the day after on October, I believe it was 68 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,200 October 17th. 69 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,140 And that was the Builder Community Round 8. 70 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:11,620 And the Builder Community Round 8 was with Manny and Jack from Forbes Web 3 team where 71 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:18,320 they interviewed Forbes Community Forbes legacy pass holders. 72 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,200 And I happened to be one of them. 73 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,920 And we talked about various things. 74 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,240 And we'll go over that. 75 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:34,440 So those are the two things that I'm going to go over and all the surrounding characteristics 76 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,440 that I noted. 77 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,640 Okay, so let's do the first one. 78 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,840 The tech talk with WinAirdrop. 79 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:49,600 And that was done via Twitter Space. 80 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:50,600 They both were. 81 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:57,080 The first one was done via Twitter Space and later launched on his podcast, Spotify, YouTube, 82 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,920 the whole thing. 83 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:14,000 And he asked, we went through four big questions, myself and my co-guest. 84 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,320 It was Network, right? 85 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,840 So Network and I were both guests on the show. 86 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,560 So the four main questions. 87 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:33,120 Question one was what they asked me was how do you introduce the sandbox and how do you 88 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,320 describe it? 89 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,680 And I get this question a lot outside of the sandbox. 90 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:44,680 I'm involved in a lot of different DAOs, involved in many different Web 3 communities. 91 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:52,440 And when I say that I'm podcast host for, of SandDow, which is about the sandbox DAO, 92 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,640 the very first question I ask is what is the sandbox? 93 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,840 The second question I get asked is what is a DAO? 94 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:06,780 So I had to, what I basically come down to is the way I answer this question was I describe 95 00:08:06,780 --> 00:08:09,080 it as a Minecraft look-alike. 96 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:15,880 It doesn't operate the same way, but it looks a lot like the Minecraft game and it has a 97 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,080 giant ecosystem behind it. 98 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,540 And that's where I start going into the people product and the purpose. 99 00:08:21,540 --> 00:08:26,440 And the comparison I draw with Minecraft is that it's voxel art and there's blocks that 100 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,560 you can see. 101 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,120 You can hit blocks. 102 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,080 You can interact with your environment. 103 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:37,100 You can build things, although not quite the same way in the sandbox. 104 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:40,880 So I introduce it as it looks like Minecraft. 105 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:50,800 It has a Web 3 blockchain foundation and a giant ecosystem of many different people, 106 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:59,360 products and purpose that puts it into the metaverse within the Web 3 framework. 107 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:10,000 Then I went into the history of the sandbox and from 2012 to 2018 all the way to 2024, 108 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,600 how in 2012 it was launched as a 2D mobile game. 109 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Then in 2018 it became a PC blockchain enabled game. 110 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:25,480 And now in 2024 it's iterated on that quite a bit and now has a DAO. 111 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,640 I then did a little bit of a comparison between Decentraland and sandbox and it was mainly 112 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:38,280 my decision at the beginning of how do I enter into the metaverse. 113 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:43,680 The two that I narrowed it down to was Decentraland and sandbox and I ultimately chose the sandbox 114 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:47,440 and I explained my reasons why and the question. 115 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:53,120 And basically what it was down to, it had the gravitas. 116 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,920 It had what I consider to be a sustainable model behind it. 117 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:07,780 Decentraland had great graphics and it had kind of a more fluid approach whereas in sandbox 118 00:10:07,780 --> 00:10:10,400 you have servers that you join almost. 119 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:17,560 So it had kind of that more metaverse feel but the sandbox to me had the backing and 120 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:22,800 the structure to be successful in positioning itself in the market. 121 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,680 So I ultimately chose the sandbox. 122 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:29,360 And then last we talked a little bit about how the sandbox has some child protections 123 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:35,920 that are important, kind of reminiscent of Minecraft a little bit in some ways. 124 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:45,360 Whereas other, I think Decentraland has a proximity chat, voice chat and all that. 125 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,580 Some things that you'd have to keep an eye on. 126 00:10:48,580 --> 00:10:53,040 So that's how I introduced the sandbox and how I described it. 127 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,360 And here's a little excerpt from that. 128 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,560 Oh, how would you introduce them to it or to the sandbox? 129 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:06,000 How do you describe this to them? 130 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,200 That's a great question. 131 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,800 The way I normally describe it is sort of the way I introduced it in one of the penned 132 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:12,800 tweets. 133 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:21,160 I'd first describe it as Minecraft because Minecraft was for quite some time the most 134 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,920 viewed game on Twitch. 135 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,720 So odds are people know what Minecraft is. 136 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,640 The blocks, you hit the blocks, you build stuff. 137 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,760 And that's a good start for describing it to someone who has no idea. 138 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,560 And then you add the word. 139 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:44,120 So it's a Minecraft-like game and everything you see is built by someone or an added to 140 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,400 the blockchain. 141 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,320 So that's basically the start of it. 142 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:55,520 And I'm refining that a lot. 143 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:00,360 At this point, I've been asked what is the sandbox so many times in the web through ecosystem 144 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,400 that I'm basically building a script that I can go to. 145 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:12,600 And so I just explained to Win AirDrop the ingredients behind that. 146 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:18,160 It's a Minecraft-like game on the blockchain and there's a giant ecosystem that underpins 147 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,560 it. 148 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:26,960 So the second question was, what can you do and own in the sandbox? 149 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:32,640 And this is what really where he wanted to get to. 150 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,480 Win AirDrop is very much into domain management. 151 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,160 So identity is a big thing to him. 152 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:44,200 And we explained, we talked about this a little bit on my podcast with him on Sandow. 153 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:51,280 But on his podcast, he wanted to know and his audience, I think there are about 50 people 154 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,680 and in his Twitter space. 155 00:12:54,680 --> 00:13:01,660 So what he wanted to know was, what can you do in the sandbox and how does it relate to 156 00:13:01,660 --> 00:13:03,220 identity? 157 00:13:03,220 --> 00:13:05,520 So in this case, what can you do and own? 158 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,120 And that's where I started going into how almost everything is an NFT and how you can 159 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,080 almost own everything in the sandbox. 160 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:20,080 There's some peculiarities about how you don't have to mint everything you put in GameMaker 161 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,440 or put on an experience. 162 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:26,160 I didn't really get into that because it's nuanced that doesn't really make a difference 163 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,480 to a crowd who's just being introduced to the sandbox. 164 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:31,480 Not important. 165 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:38,520 What was important is explaining how everything, almost everything can be an NFT that you meant 166 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:45,400 where it be if you have a BAYC, then there's a bridge contract there, bridge smart contract, 167 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,360 I think that allows you to use that as one of your avatars. 168 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:58,120 You can mint swords that you swing and kill monsters with in an experience. 169 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,320 That was the most important part of that question there. 170 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,240 And here it is on his podcast. 171 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,720 Ask them in the bubble. 172 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,760 Yeah, go for it, Lancer. 173 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:13,800 Yeah, some of the things that exist within the sandbox that you can own and associate 174 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:14,800 with identity. 175 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,440 Most of it is within the marketplace. 176 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:24,480 When I dropped as a, I think I finally figured out how to do a pen thing. 177 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,680 So I send out podcast number 31. 178 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,560 If you want to get a little bit deeper into it, that's the intro to the sandbox ecosystem 179 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,520 where I go into more depth into what you can do. 180 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,720 But one of the other things I penned earlier, I was talking to you about the sandbox ecosystem 181 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,560 where the people, product, purpose, and ecosystem picture. 182 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:52,520 So some of the main things that you can do is the many different layers that exist from 183 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,180 the sandbox. 184 00:14:54,180 --> 00:14:59,340 So I get into the different layers and that's also part of another question that he asks. 185 00:14:59,340 --> 00:15:05,720 So all the things that you can do in the sandbox, most of them you can own that you interact 186 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:11,660 with, whether it be the building or the car or the prop or the equipment or the level 187 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:17,440 itself or the land, most of it. 188 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:22,160 So the next question then was, what does identity look like in the sandbox? 189 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,480 And that's where we started talking about usernames and how sandbox usernames are linked 190 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:34,120 to wallets and those, and also you can put in your social media on a sandbox username. 191 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:41,320 And then those wallets can be linked to ENS, like mine is linked to lancer.eth. 192 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:47,260 And so if you know that, then you can see a lot of the reputation and blockchain history 193 00:15:47,260 --> 00:15:49,280 and all sorts of things. 194 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:56,760 But also for the bridged avatars, especially from Board 8 Yacht Club, World of Women, or 195 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:04,160 Mocha, you have identities built within those universes that are now associated with the 196 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,240 sandbox. 197 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:11,000 So we go over that quite a bit. 198 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,880 There's I think as I understood it, different types of identity. 199 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:19,680 There's a username that is within the sandbox DOW ecosystem, which is actually bigger than 200 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,760 your sandbox, as well as when it comes to like governance and voting and stuff like 201 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:30,160 that, I believe that you guys still resolve and utilize ENS there. 202 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,720 So kind of wanted to ask what it looked like in the sandbox, kind of when each is used 203 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,120 and how others interact with it. 204 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,240 Specifically, I think it's kind of easier for us to figure out the ENS part, but wanted 205 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,360 to talk specifically about the sandbox username, like kind of how you interact with it, what 206 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,280 it's good for, used for. 207 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,960 Are they on chain, off chain also? 208 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:51,960 Is there a second? 209 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,480 Yeah, I'll answer the first one first, because I'll forget that one. 210 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,560 So the secondary markets is OpenSea. 211 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:06,800 They just announced Magic Eden's partnership and some blur some of the avatars. 212 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,360 So there is quite a bit of secondary market trading for the sandbox, especially when it 213 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:11,360 comes to land. 214 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:18,080 And then specifically what it looks like is that you have a mixture of on chain and off 215 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,360 chain and most of the off chain is secondary stuff. 216 00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:25,480 So the on chain is you create a username within the sandbox. 217 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,640 So just like you would anywhere else in any other game. 218 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,560 And that username is specific to the sandbox. 219 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:38,680 However, where you start to connect identities across different layers of Web3 is you then 220 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,840 associate that username with the wallet. 221 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:43,840 So there you have it. 222 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,560 That was that question there. 223 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:56,320 And while I'm talking, then after the network talks about his community called the network, 224 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:01,480 which I think aspires to be a metaverse game as well. 225 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,800 And the last question was a kind of general, what are you bullish on? 226 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,800 And the thing that I talked about was the maturing of Web3. 227 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,120 I mentioned this from time to time, but I've been in Web3. 228 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:15,360 I've been in, we didn't call it that back then, but I've been in cryptocurrency for 229 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:18,960 almost 10 years now. 230 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,000 And I've watched Web3 back then. 231 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,040 It was just cryptocurrency. 232 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:30,920 I watched crypto mature into Web3 and progress from a more. 233 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:35,720 I would use the word militant, a very aggressively don't tread on me. 234 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,240 I'm going to be anonymous. 235 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:43,000 You don't have any right to know who I am from that to where people weave their real 236 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,040 life credentials into things, especially for the Dows. 237 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:54,440 So I watched, I've watched that go down and I'm very, they call bullish, but I'm very 238 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,080 optimistic about it. 239 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,240 I like the way it's headed. 240 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,240 And here it is on the podcast. 241 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:04,000 We've turned the floor over to you, Langer, sir. 242 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:11,960 I think the only thing I'd like to end with is that I'm, I've been kind of slow to reveal, 243 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:20,640 I say that in 2016, back when a lot of the big scams were happening, like Big Connect 244 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,640 and all that. 245 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,720 And here's where I talk about a little bit of my history, but I'm going to skip over 246 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,840 this part because it, I cover it in Forbes Web3. 247 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:37,680 I've watched the space evolve over the years and it's been really fascinating to see how 248 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:47,280 we've, in some cases matured and other cases the space is turning into something much more, 249 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:53,160 it's much less anonymous than what we originally set out to do. 250 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:59,320 And we kind of learned it's just like in life that when you, what you idealize it to 251 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,340 be and what it turns out to be is very different things. 252 00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:07,160 And so with that comes a maturity, which you can choose to or not choose to, like in a 253 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,960 sandbox you could still choose to be anonymous if you'd like, completely. 254 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,600 You don't have to KYC if you don't want to. 255 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:19,720 And so, but there are certain things that the community is choosing to say, well, if 256 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,760 you want to be anonymous, that's great, that's fine, but there are certain parts of things 257 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:32,440 that we won't be able to trust you with because of the scale, the magnitude and the severity 258 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,040 of if it doesn't turn out to be what we thought it was. 259 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,880 So there you go. 260 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:45,040 And that was a direct reference to the real life credentials that are being brought into 261 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:53,200 the DAO when people want to have asked for big dollar projects and show their resume 262 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,840 to put some skin in the game and show people that they are real. 263 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,320 They're not going to run away with this money. 264 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,640 They're going to deliver on what they say they're proposing. 265 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,840 And that right there was Tech Talk. 266 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:08,840 It was really cool. 267 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,840 I enjoyed it. 268 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:15,160 I enjoyed the podcast and what I'm used to in terms of Web3 space. 269 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,680 Digital identity was its focus. 270 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:22,400 So that was something that was new in how they approach it from a domain management. 271 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:30,600 And so weaving in a game, a metaverse game, I had to focus on the connection to ENS, the 272 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:36,440 wallet, and the different identities that people have across different blockchains and 273 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:42,040 layers, and sometimes they don't all talk together or communicate well together. 274 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:47,120 But you're able to make those linkages to where people can associate identities from 275 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:53,880 sandbox to mocha to board ape to whatever other communities people are part of. 276 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,040 I like to really like talking to Marcus, who is WinAirdrop. 277 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,920 And I think we'll probably be on each other's podcasts again in the future, maybe an update 278 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,600 on digital identity one way or the other. 279 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,760 So the second one I did was Forbes. 280 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:18,440 So Forbes has been doing what they call builder community Twitter spaces, X spaces. 281 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,120 And this one was round number eight. 282 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:28,880 And I got in on that one with Club Out, Michael, Ron, and myself. 283 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:35,640 Unfortunately, both of these rubbed, so we did do them. 284 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,160 They were. 285 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,880 They were. 286 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,680 They were recorded and done, but you can't listen to them and neither can I, because 287 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,000 it rubbed and there is a problem. 288 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,280 And so it's it's just it's lost. 289 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,280 It's lost now. 290 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,400 I've tried everything I could to download it to listen to it, but it's not possible. 291 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,400 So both of them. 292 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,640 So the first one rubbed, they restarted it. 293 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,240 And then that one. 294 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,160 I can't access that one either. 295 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,680 So unfortunately, I can't show anything from it. 296 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,000 However, it happened. 297 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,000 We did it. 298 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:20,860 And here I have some notes on what exactly. 299 00:23:20,860 --> 00:23:22,740 What exactly I said. 300 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:28,320 So there were four questions that were asked. 301 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,000 And the first one was a basic background and introduction. 302 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,440 And I liked this one a lot because Manny and Jack sent out read aheads. 303 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,520 So they sent out a PDF with here's the agenda. 304 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,020 Here's the questions you can expect to prepare for. 305 00:23:43,020 --> 00:23:46,400 So I had some time to think about how I wanted to do this. 306 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,360 And I knew this one was going to be well attended. 307 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,480 This one had over 90 people in it. 308 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,640 So it I mean, it's Forbes, Forbes Web 3. 309 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,180 So it attracted a lot of attention and I was very happy to do this. 310 00:23:58,180 --> 00:24:03,260 So the first question was background introduction where they said, let's start by hearing from 311 00:24:03,260 --> 00:24:04,260 each of you. 312 00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:07,920 What were you doing before Web 3 and what brought you into the space? 313 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:17,600 So what I explained was that before Web 3, my what I did, quote unquote, was kind of. 314 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,800 It's been you can segment into three or four different buckets. 315 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:30,980 There's my professional life, my gaming life and my creative entrepreneurship life. 316 00:24:30,980 --> 00:24:36,560 So my professional life, I mentioned the beginning when I did my introduction, I write and wrote 317 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,900 contracts and negotiate them for about 13 years. 318 00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:48,360 So I bought everything from pens to airplanes and I negotiated with Fortune 100 companies. 319 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:52,660 I signed many, many million dollar contracts. 320 00:24:52,660 --> 00:24:57,320 And now I'm currently a program manager for a fleet of aircraft. 321 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,200 And that program value is over a billion dollars. 322 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:12,120 So I have a lot of a lot of experience in legally stuff and negotiation stuff, cost 323 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:17,680 schedule, performance, things leading teams toward product and services, that sort of 324 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,680 stuff. 325 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,680 So that's my first bucket. 326 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,240 My second bucket is my gaming life where and I linked some of these things. 327 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:30,360 I started podcasting in 2016 when I looked back to see when my first one was. 328 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:32,560 Mark, like this, it is so embarrassing. 329 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:39,240 But I've what I've come to what I've come to rest on for myself is that if I can look 330 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,800 back on some of these old things and cringe, that that to me is a good sign that I'm I'm 331 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,800 learning. 332 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:51,000 I think I've matured since then and it is it is cringy. 333 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,680 I can barely look at it and read it or listen to it anymore. 334 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,680 But podcasting 2016, I started with eSports. 335 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:05,520 My podcasting endeavor when I was part of a very eSports centric group called the eSports 336 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,760 Professionals Network. 337 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:13,440 And one of the when one of them I did. 338 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,200 Was on gender leagues. 339 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:23,960 If you can believe it, even back then, gender leagues was a thing in in eSports where there 340 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,960 were. 341 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,080 I mean, you could you could tell the disparity. 342 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,080 You could see the difference in the way it was attended, the way it was funded, the way 343 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,400 it was promoted. 344 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:40,800 And so we for EPN, we did a a podcast on that. 345 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,520 This is Isabel Davies. 346 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:51,360 There's also Carly Morgan and and they're talking about their observations in in gender 347 00:26:51,360 --> 00:27:00,320 leagues within the eSports, whether it be MLG or ESA, the Toronto Sports or ESL, eSports 348 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,320 League. 349 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,800 Yeah, I mean, Isabel absolutely nailed it. 350 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,920 And this whole cross examining thing that she talks about is what I refer to as the 351 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,960 gauntlet of justification where. 352 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,640 Before a woman can even dedicate her time and energy and attention to playing a game 353 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,320 effectively at the highest level of competitive skill, she has to face this collage of questions 354 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:26,440 about why she's playing and demonstrating her her knowledge of the game and a very highly 355 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,400 literate understanding of the game mechanics and the meta game. 356 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,920 So even then podcasting, you can tell very, very early version of my production quality 357 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,860 I've since upgraded. 358 00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:38,180 But that's how I started out. 359 00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:42,860 You can see kind of like a green screen in the background and then a blackout sheet in 360 00:27:42,860 --> 00:27:44,240 front of a window. 361 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:51,040 I've got my my boom mic with a cardioid up there, which is which is single directional, 362 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,520 whereas now I have an omnidirectional mic. 363 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,760 Different different things I've learned along the way to pick up. 364 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,640 And now I've got lighting in the background, a little bit of depth to it and shadow. 365 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:08,680 I've only learned to do that because, well, I've I've been doing it since 2016 and I think 366 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,160 I've published how many? 367 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,160 70? 368 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,240 About 70 podcast episodes at this point. 369 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,920 Yeah. 370 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:25,160 So I started out podcasting 2016 and then I also was involved in a bit of e-sports governance. 371 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,820 So that would be I kind of put my contract writing background to to use there. 372 00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:39,160 And I devised a a kind of like a U.N. of of e-sports. 373 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,160 We call it the Electronic Sports Republic. 374 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:49,960 And I basically crafted a whole business plan for with an executive summary, a structure, 375 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,200 how the different how the different parts of the league would function. 376 00:28:53,200 --> 00:29:00,960 And it's basically a way to to work out how voting works and non voting branches, almost 377 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,200 like a Dow. 378 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,840 Looking back on it, you can see the different assemblies and the by I wrote up a bunch of 379 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:14,280 bylaws and how they would contribute to the regulations and and I spent a lot of time 380 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,840 on this thing, so much time. 381 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,100 We didn't end up implementing it. 382 00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,160 But then. 383 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,960 All of this end up being foundation for later things in life. 384 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,000 So it was great experience late either way. 385 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,680 And it was back in 2016. 386 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,260 I wrote this. 387 00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:33,260 So yeah. 388 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:37,560 So this right here, you could probably apply to a Dow nowadays and the way it's written 389 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:43,360 and works and there's a charter and a whole bunch of stuff, even even conflict of interest 390 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,720 and put conflict of interest. 391 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,240 I just saw in there different responsibilities. 392 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:54,160 So I was in podcasting, e-sports governance, content creation. 393 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,240 So it's pretty big into the plan site to MMOFBS. 394 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,360 You don't know what Plan site to is. 395 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,600 It's kind of like Call of Duty or Battlefield. 396 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:07,120 But instead of 50 players on one side, there's five thousand players on one side. 397 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:14,080 There are three sides fighting at the same time on a map that is like 20 miles big and 398 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,760 the then the match never stops. 399 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,220 So you're constantly fighting over territory and the game never ends. 400 00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:22,880 And so I did quite a bit of content creation. 401 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,880 Fighting off against something. 402 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,400 Good player base. 403 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,400 Good good days. 404 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,400 Good times. 405 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,960 It was so much fun playing that game. 406 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:38,400 But I've since cooled down from that for about a for about a year now because of the way 407 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,140 the game has started winding down. 408 00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:46,960 And so my motivation and my ability to play it has winded down as well. 409 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,900 Although, you know, we could always go back to it. 410 00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:50,900 It's still there. 411 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:55,400 It's just not you know, there's no longer five thousand players playing on each side 412 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,400 anymore. 413 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:02,600 It's much, much lower, like under under a thousand total versus fifteen thousand. 414 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,520 So a lot's changed since then. 415 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,480 But this one was only two years ago. 416 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,320 In any case, did content creation for a game. 417 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:22,360 And then I'd say my my greatest achievement was co-founding a community led organization 418 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,720 that ended up breaking a Guinness World Record. 419 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:34,920 I am so happy and proud of our team that we accomplished this. 420 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:41,020 Because it because it was it was a huge achievement. 421 00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:45,800 So just co-founding the the group itself, which is kind of a cross between American 422 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,240 NFL and American ESPN. 423 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,040 So it was like we created the tournament matches and we broadcasted them live. 424 00:31:54,040 --> 00:32:00,000 And we've done I think we did maybe 50 or 70 matches at this point with over 400 players 425 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,240 attending and one day it's still still alive. 426 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,280 I just retired from the the leadership of it. 427 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,920 But back in 2015, we decided what if we try and break a Guinness World Record? 428 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,400 And we did. 429 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:23,800 We organized over a thousand players to to break the record and we helped set the match. 430 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,320 And then we broadcasted it. 431 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:34,600 And I have a plaque from Guinness World Records with with a special mention Planeside Battles. 432 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,560 So the the game company itself was made by Sony Online Entertainment. 433 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,160 So it's a subsidiary of Sony. 434 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:50,060 I helped co-founded Planeside Battles, which is a player led organization with the game. 435 00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:55,040 And Planeside Battles, we got a special mention as organized. 436 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,620 So yeah, it was cool. 437 00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:59,620 It was cool. 438 00:32:59,620 --> 00:33:06,760 And you know, over a thousand players playing altogether, which is not hard for the game 439 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:12,320 to make, which is why it was kind of easy to just break the record. 440 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,320 It was just like another day for Planeside. 441 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,000 We just had to make sure that it was recorded properly by the Guinness World Record folks. 442 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,640 Holds a tack on. 443 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,640 We thought there is no way that you're going to get this back. 444 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,960 And somehow, somehow they've done it two or three different times. 445 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,960 Yeah, yes, they have. 446 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,600 And so we have another situation like that right now at tack on storage where, yes, they 447 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:42,440 are entrenched, but don't let that show anything right now because the NC have done a fantastic 448 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,440 job. 449 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,440 Finally. 450 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,440 Oh, good. 451 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,440 Good times. 452 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,800 Good times. 453 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:54,760 So we broke a Guinness World Record with a player led community that we co-founded and 454 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,920 it still runs today. 455 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,080 The game still holds a record today, too. 456 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,560 That's my gaming life, professional life, gaming life, and then my creative entrepreneurship 457 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:12,560 life, which I've written novels and I've published them to Amazon. 458 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,320 You can find them in Boston Public Library on Walmart and Barnes and Noble. 459 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:25,800 And then I used to be a classical composer turned house music and I created some house 460 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,560 tracks and published them to iTunes. 461 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:38,960 And then my latest was eventually games to sandbox, which there we are right in the middle. 462 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,860 Lower droppers. 463 00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:45,560 So right now we are in zero zero in the sandbox. 464 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:51,600 Alpha season four, right there, right there in the middle. 465 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:57,320 So pretty, pretty, pretty cool accomplishment. 466 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,480 I am so happy and proud of the team. 467 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:08,040 So that was the first part of the question, which was what were you doing before Web3? 468 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,880 And then the second part of the question was what brought you into the space? 469 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:18,880 And what brought me into the space was in 2015, there were a number of articles about 470 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,880 Bitcoin. 471 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,840 Bitcoin was all the rage back then. 472 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,840 Ethereum. 473 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,440 I don't think Ethereum. 474 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,480 When did Ethereum start? 475 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,440 Hey, thanks, SanSquad. 476 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,440 That's T-Meo. 477 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,440 Thank you so much for the raid. 478 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,440 How are you doing? 479 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,440 2015. 480 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,780 There you go. 481 00:35:37,780 --> 00:35:43,360 So this was just after Ethereum was created. 482 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,360 2015. 483 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,040 So I was reading articles in December of 2015. 484 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,360 I think it was maybe before that. 485 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,760 I can't remember now. 486 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,140 But articles like these, which it was all about Bitcoin. 487 00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:57,300 Should you invest in Bitcoin? 488 00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:59,840 And then there were arguments in favor of it. 489 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,480 There's, there's so many things that you read now. 490 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,560 You're like, duh, of course it is. 491 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,280 But back then we didn't know. 492 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,520 We didn't know. 493 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,560 We just were reading stuff and trying to figure out what it meant. 494 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,900 And so Forbes came out with articles like this years ago. 495 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:22,360 And I was, I had been reading Forbes since I was 15 years old. 496 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,120 So I caught that article too. 497 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,280 And also Business Insider. 498 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,080 Most of them were talking about Bitcoin. 499 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,640 And back then it was Bitcoin, Litecoin, Ethereum, Ripple. 500 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,840 And there might be one or two other big ones. 501 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,480 I can't recall right now. 502 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,880 But Ethereum, Litecoin, Bitcoin, Ripple were the big ones. 503 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,760 So what brought me in were the articles that kind of explained what it was about. 504 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,040 And we didn't really know. 505 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,040 We didn't have DOWs. 506 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,560 We didn't have anything like that. 507 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,160 So we just knew that it was a coin that you could have on your computer and it was worth 508 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,520 some money. 509 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,880 And maybe you could mine it if you wanted to. 510 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,860 But it was, it was, there was a lot to understand about it. 511 00:37:05,860 --> 00:37:09,680 So I got in about 2015. 512 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:17,240 And yeah, so I'm an old geezer at this point when it comes to Bitcoin. 513 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:18,800 All right. 514 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:24,680 So the next part was question number two. 515 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,480 What was your path to Web 3? 516 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,440 What was the turning point or motivation that led you to dive into Web 3? 517 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:37,000 And for me, that second question there in red meant that they meant to ask it, but they 518 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,000 didn't. 519 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,280 So because of how many people were there and the rugging and all sorts of stuff, they just 520 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,520 stuck with the first part of the question. 521 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:49,440 So that first part was what was the turning point and the motivation that led me to diving 522 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,240 into Web 3? 523 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:56,640 The turning point was in 2017 when a whole bunch of lending platforms started coming 524 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,760 out. 525 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:05,000 And you all probably heard some of these memes before, but the the BitConnect scam, the control 526 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:12,040 finance scam, the one coin scam, the big push on referral links, which was closely related 527 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:17,000 to what people call undisclosed payments and shilling now. 528 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,320 But there were a lot of suspicious promises of high interest payouts. 529 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:29,560 Some end up being Ponzi schemes and scams and a lot of YouTube videos were coming out 530 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,600 of people promoting these things. 531 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,960 What we call shilling now. 532 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,600 Shilling has kind of changed since then. 533 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,440 But back then it was real shilling where people would be like, hey, buy this coin. 534 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,960 It'll go up real, real fast. 535 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,760 Or hey, join this lending platform because it's going to promise you 20% return every 536 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:49,760 day. 537 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,600 These things are very suspicious and in most cases unrealistic. 538 00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:00,480 So I just saw too many videos of that and I needed to provide a counterbalance because 539 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:06,120 if you have any, I mean, if you're an investor of any kind, you know, stock payouts and those 540 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,160 numbers, it just wasn't making sense. 541 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:14,280 So I started a YouTube channel to provide some clarity and to fact check a lot of these 542 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,640 lending platforms that claimed you're going to get 2% a day. 543 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:26,120 And my biggest one was BitConnect, which ended up making it on The Daily Show with John Oliver 544 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,240 after he took over from John Stewart. 545 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:34,280 And this is the this is the segment from six years ago. 546 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:39,440 But remember, the market was soaring and Big Connect had excited investors like this guy 547 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,440 who spoke at one of the conferences. 548 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:55,840 Let me tell you that we are really changing the world as we know it. 549 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:09,520 The world is not anymore the way it used to be. 550 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,200 So it was like that back then. 551 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:22,400 And what I did was I did videos where I was a fact checker. 552 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,280 And so I would put together these these Excel documents that would track how the money went 553 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,880 from payout to bank account. 554 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:38,480 And so if you know anything about Coffeezilla, I was like a pre-released alpha version of 555 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,760 him. 556 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,240 And so so BitConnect control finance, one coin. 557 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:50,060 So the one coin era, which was a multi billion dollar scam where the I think her name was 558 00:40:50,060 --> 00:40:51,400 Crypto Queen. 559 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,880 She's still on the run after that. 560 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,600 But one of the co-founders was sentenced to 20 years in prison. 561 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,600 One of the main one of the main organizers for BitConnect was just sentenced earlier 562 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,200 this year in California to I think three years in prison. 563 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:14,820 So it's taken a while for them all to get caught and put in an injustice served. 564 00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:17,680 But it was it is happening. 565 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,900 And so referral links were a big time big thing there. 566 00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:24,040 And I didn't push referral links. 567 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,840 I saw those danger as red flags big time early on. 568 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,440 And I think that saved me big time because I was making videos about these things about 569 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,920 these about these opportunities. 570 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,120 Let's call them the end of being Ponzi schemes and scams. 571 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:46,100 And I would not push any of the referral links because it just it was too suspicious to me. 572 00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:47,720 And this is what that looked like back then. 573 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:51,600 As of today, I have not posted for that website. 574 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,200 The problem is that the referral system is not an accurate representation of what these 575 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,960 crypto investment opportunities are offering. 576 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,880 Instances where we're focused rather than where it should be, which is a natural reward 577 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,720 for showing other people that this opportunity is available at their time. 578 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:14,020 My desire is to increase the frequency that I test new crypto investment opportunity. 579 00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:15,800 This was way back then. 580 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:21,280 2017 feels like a lifetime ago. 581 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:28,020 And I was pushing out these videos, specifically the fact checker videos. 582 00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:30,000 And that's what I was mostly known for. 583 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:36,200 The total interest payout was twenty nine thousand dollars, which was about fifteen 584 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,320 hundred dollars lower than the advertised raw amount. 585 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,120 The highest payout was four hundred and eighty five dollars and sixty two cents. 586 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,120 That occurred on. 587 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,760 That's the big huge spreadsheet that I put together to track how all the money went. 588 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,560 And most of them didn't live up to what they said they were going to pay out. 589 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,400 It became so obvious when you just track the money. 590 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:00,900 They said they were going to pay this out. 591 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:02,280 You only got this amount. 592 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,560 And then by the time it got to your wallet, it was even less than that. 593 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,160 So that's what this was. 594 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,480 All I did was just track everything and I streamed it. 595 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,680 I put it on YouTube and it became a hit. 596 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,580 It became a big hit. 597 00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:23,280 So a lot of people were able to watch my videos and see what the realities were behind these 598 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,820 huge crypto lending platforms that end up becoming scams. 599 00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:34,080 But the time people could only speculate because at the time they all touted this secret trading 600 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,600 bot algorithm and no one had ever seen these trading bots. 601 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,140 But these are the first time these things kind of come out. 602 00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:47,820 So most people thought that it was plausible because trading bots like the old gun bot 603 00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:50,960 trading bots were a big thing back then. 604 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:57,840 Trading bots is basically a computer program that buys you that trade on an exchange for 605 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:03,560 you spots uptrends and and by spots downtrends and sells. 606 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:11,240 So or vice versa, depending on your strategy and what your goals were. 607 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:19,000 So these lending platforms came out promising high returns using trading bots that they 608 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,560 say that they did wonders for and created things for. 609 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:32,480 And so I did this this tracker, which which tracks the real return on investment if you 610 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,540 were to invest money in it. 611 00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:39,880 And I did that across many different lending platforms. 612 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:48,200 So yeah, that was my that was what changed the game and brought me back into crypto after 613 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:54,240 dabbling in it starting in 2015 ish time frame. 614 00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:01,640 And like I said, I was an early version of Coffeezilla and coincidentally enough, Coffeezilla, 615 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,440 who is a very he's a world famous scam investigator. 616 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,480 He recently got into crypto a couple of years ago, scam investigating because of how much 617 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,720 scam there is going on in crypto. 618 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:15,140 And he's been on Lex Friedman. 619 00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:16,140 He's been on Joe Rogan. 620 00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:20,360 So he's really well known, but I was very, very much an early version of him, whereas 621 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,720 he he kind of tells a story. 622 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,560 He's like a narrative storyteller. 623 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,920 And me, I'm more of a analytical fact checker. 624 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,220 And I, I bring the numbers to bear. 625 00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:34,520 And I'm showing the numbers of it promised 5%. 626 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,320 It only gives you point 2% in reality. 627 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,640 I felt much more comfortable weaving the numbers together and calculating Excel formulas to 628 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,920 to show what really happens versus kind of storytelling on what I think was happening 629 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,160 because most of us didn't know what was happening. 630 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,480 Most of us didn't know how to interpret it. 631 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,400 You could call it a scam if you wanted to, but you really didn't know. 632 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,400 Nobody did. 633 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,960 Not until one of them got indicted by the by court system in in Texas and the whole 634 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,320 thing imploded. 635 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,900 Another one got indicted by I think the European Union or or subpoenaed. 636 00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:14,400 And then that one collapsed and then they all started toppling after that because people 637 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,800 started turning their attention and their scrutiny to it. 638 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,640 And that's kind of where FUD came from, by the way, a lot of FUD came out of stuff like 639 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,840 that. 640 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,000 But we'll talk about the dark history of FUD in a different slide. 641 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,800 So anyways, it was a coffeezilla. 642 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:43,000 And this is coffeezilla coincidentally interviewing someone who was very important in the BitConnect 643 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,920 community, Trevon James. 644 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,600 He ended up getting indicted by the SEC. 645 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,820 And I, Trevon James, one of the ways I found out about BitConnect. 646 00:46:54,820 --> 00:47:03,640 So when I say people, people making videos about BitConnect and and all the stuff that 647 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,560 they were doing to promote, this is one of those people. 648 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,920 And his name was Trevon James. 649 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:15,160 And coffeezilla interviewed him to try and confront him a little bit about why he did 650 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,320 what he did and all that. 651 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,400 And it was interesting to see things. 652 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,320 And this was only three years ago. 653 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,800 So he did this 2021 when all this stuff happened in 2017. 654 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:36,120 And so and so coffee interviewed him, someone who I had seen around in BitConnect community 655 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,120 while it was all happening. 656 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,560 He was one of the biggest promoters. 657 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,120 But listen to this part. 658 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,600 This is the this was the. 659 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,880 I'm not not a genius when it comes to crypto. 660 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:47,880 You're gonna have to accept that. 661 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,640 But but I did some digging into you, obviously, prior to this interview. 662 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:58,360 So Trevon was one of the biggest promote the biggest maybe promoter of the next. 663 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,040 Don't don't try to don't try to not Carlos Matos. 664 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,440 I thought it was Carlos. 665 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,760 Carlos Matos, by the way, was the one we just showed was like big connect. 666 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,480 OK, that's the meme about BitConnect. 667 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,900 That's Carlos Matos. 668 00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:12,160 This is Trevon James. 669 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:18,840 It was no Carlos was very so you screwed over a lot of people, a lot of people left hanging 670 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,840 the bag. 671 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,920 A lot of people left people left with a bag, a lot of people losing a ton of money. 672 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:23,920 I'm just going to be real with you. 673 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,120 So there you go. 674 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,600 So so as you can see, coffee's a pretty hard hitting. 675 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:37,400 And whereas I stuck to more of the quantity stuff, what I could prove via numbers, he 676 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,560 talked more about the the narrative of it. 677 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,280 And he's been much more successful than I, whereas I was like a very, very early version. 678 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:52,160 And I netted some some tens of thousands of views, but he nets millions. 679 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:59,760 So I'm pretty for the most part, I really enjoy coffee and what he does. 680 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,240 So anyways, there's that. 681 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:10,760 And so that was the question number two, your path to Web3. 682 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,140 Then there was question number three, which is current focus in Web3. 683 00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:19,080 What are your what are you currently focused on building or contributing to within the 684 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,760 Web3 space? 685 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,920 And all I did was talk about how I'm president of MetaWorlds. 686 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:31,120 I go over that with my disclaimers, you know, the Sandow podcast and the different experiences, 687 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,960 lava defense, which is Game Maker 2023. 688 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:43,100 It's still there, but it's not like a huge, huge hit versus versus floor droppers, which 689 00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:46,640 has many thousands of plays now. 690 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:51,080 And then all my all of our proposals that we put together. 691 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,360 At this point, we put together eight. 692 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:04,040 And Sandow podcast, which as of today is thirty six episodes done, thirty six episodes or 693 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,380 Sandow podcast. 694 00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:06,380 So cool. 695 00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:07,560 The content really just makes itself. 696 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,480 I love this. 697 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:15,240 And then I talked about how how does my previous work? 698 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,080 How does my previous experiences inform your current work? 699 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,520 I do mention this anyways, even though they didn't ask the question. 700 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,800 I tend to look at project founders and how public they are a little bit more so because 701 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:33,400 of what I just went through and went through with the lending platforms, scams and implosions. 702 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,360 So I look at the founders a little bit more. 703 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:40,560 And if you go back to some of my videos for cryptocurrency fact checking, you can see 704 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:46,920 how I investigate the website and how I know the red flags along the way and how it's just 705 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,560 some of them were. 706 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,840 They didn't hide it very well. 707 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,180 Some of them you could easily tell they were not prepared. 708 00:50:55,180 --> 00:50:58,800 They were not either truthful or just things weren't adding up. 709 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:04,320 And how if you were looking at it with a reasonable eye, you would not want to invest in some 710 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,520 of those things. 711 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,480 So then we went on to. 712 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,360 Yeah, and that's what I did to sandbox. 713 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,400 I looked at how public they were. 714 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,360 So Seb is super public, goes to all the conferences. 715 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:24,440 Arthur, but they did he you can find videos on him easy dating back many years. 716 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,800 And then what the community says about it, if you hear a lot of bad and good, that's 717 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,400 usually a good sign to me. 718 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:38,000 If you hear nothing but good, there's something probably there you need to dig up because 719 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,720 that's where the dark, the dark history of Fudd come into play. 720 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,560 And we'll talk about that afterwards. 721 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:51,540 But if you only hear great things and how great it is, you need to dig deeper. 722 00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:54,720 If you hear good and bad that you're probably on the right track. 723 00:51:54,720 --> 00:52:00,080 If you only hear bad, then you probably need to be careful, because maybe there is a good 724 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,120 reason why everyone's talking bad about it. 725 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:08,960 But it also could just be subject to the whim of the Twitter mob and the crypto mob. 726 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:15,600 Sometimes they very unfairly attack something like our friends over at Bankless Media, the 727 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,160 way I just was introduced to them through podcasting. 728 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,380 And I hope to do an interview with them in the future. 729 00:52:22,380 --> 00:52:24,840 And the Bankless Dow, which is now I think called Black Flag Dow. 730 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:30,280 But in any case, the controversy and arbitrum, it seemed like it was very unfairly directed 731 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,360 at Bankless Media and Bankless Dow. 732 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,840 But we'll see in the future when we interview, if we do. 733 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,080 And so, you know, look at what the community says. 734 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,920 And then look at the product. 735 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:51,240 In this case, for sandbox, when I did my own little, my own little inspection of the sandbox, 736 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:54,560 right away, you can see all sorts of stuff. 737 00:52:54,560 --> 00:53:02,240 There's a product, there's a game you can download, you can get assets, you can buy 738 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:08,640 things, you can. 739 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,920 In the about section, you can look at all the documentation and you can see trailers. 740 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:20,600 Like it's a well built product. 741 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,440 You can even see who the owners are. 742 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,480 There's all sorts of stuff that is easily traceable if you wanted to. 743 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:35,400 Very different from 2017 when most of these things were incorporated in countries that 744 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,800 didn't do much verification. 745 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,400 And so that was already suspect. 746 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:51,960 So my experience there brought me a lot of tools that I use and a lot of things I use 747 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,840 to judge projects by. 748 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,840 And then question number four, join the Forbes Web 3 community. 749 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,160 What made you decide to join the Forbes Web 3 community and what do you hope to gain or 750 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,400 contribute to your involvement? 751 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,440 And for me, it to me was a no brainer with the legacy pass. 752 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:15,640 Forbes has been in the Web 2, even the Web 1 world for a long time. 753 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:22,080 It was to me, I saw this as a good faith effort by Forbes to dip their toes in. 754 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,760 And we since learned in one of their latest Twitter feeds or Twitter spaces about DOWs, 755 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:34,680 coincidentally enough, how Manny has a team of 10 and they're fully committed. 756 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,160 They're not just dipping their toes in. 757 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:42,840 They have a whole department of Web 3 that is dedicated to Web 3 and legacy pass and 758 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,320 the furtherance of integrating into Web 3. 759 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,320 So I see it as a good faith effort by them. 760 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,400 I don't think they're going to rug. 761 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,480 And for me, I want to be a voice of integrity and progress. 762 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,400 I want to help build things. 763 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,640 I want to talk about the things that we can do well in, that we do do well in. 764 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,440 I want to talk about the things that we could do better in. 765 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:07,200 To me, it's not about FUD and we're about to get into that, how that dark history has 766 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:12,920 just taken on a whole thing of its own within crypto that I really dislike. 767 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:19,680 But you can talk good about things and you can talk bad about things and both are important. 768 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,480 So I want to apply my professional skill toward the DOWs, specifically to the sandbox DOW 769 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,640 because I'm so invested into it. 770 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,540 And I'm going to be running for sandbox special counsel. 771 00:55:30,540 --> 00:55:34,480 What I wanted to talk about next was one of the reasons why I'm having this podcast. 772 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,800 It's not just to talk about what I talked about at these podcasts. 773 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,920 There are some best practices and some things I've learned along the years. 774 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:48,640 And especially now that I'm becoming more involved in DOWs, more in leadership and governance 775 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:56,440 and all sorts of stuff, I want to share some interesting stuff that I've come across that 776 00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,280 I think could be useful to know. 777 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,080 Take it for what it will, for what you will. 778 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,440 This is just my opinion. 779 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,160 I certainly don't know everything. 780 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,880 So there's some best practices for going on a podcast. 781 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:20,920 At this point, like I said, I've been doing it since 2016 and I've been on and I published 782 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,640 maybe 80, 90 podcasts at this point. 783 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:31,440 So best practice when going on podcasts in web three, to stick to web three. 784 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,440 Okay. 785 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,520 First thing is disclose your status. 786 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,900 You don't, it might be embarrassing or you might feel that people are going to call you 787 00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:46,240 out upfront, but I promise you, if you disclose your status, it is far, it's going to go far 788 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:52,440 better for you than if people find out you have a conflict of interest later and you 789 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,160 didn't. 790 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:59,560 Trust and reputation is instantly damaged if you fail to disclose your status. 791 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,360 And sometimes there's some, we're also interconnected. 792 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,800 We don't have like this huge laundry list, just the thing that is applicable to you at 793 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:08,880 the time. 794 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:15,320 So for me, one of my favorite disclosures is that I'm a sandbox community member. 795 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,240 I'm not a sandbox employee, not part of the sandbox DAO admin team. 796 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:24,880 It's important that I disclose that because sometimes the way I talk, it can be construed 797 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,300 as authority or that I speak on behalf of someone. 798 00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:31,520 I speak on behalf of myself. 799 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:37,360 I don't speak on behalf of the DAO or I don't speak on behalf of the sandbox game company. 800 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,040 I speak as a community member. 801 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,280 I'm podcasting as a community member. 802 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:47,440 That is at this point, I've said it so much, it feels very comfortable to me to say that. 803 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:52,640 And I make that disclosure on almost every podcast I go on. 804 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,120 And especially if I can remember to. 805 00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,240 It's important. 806 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:04,840 If you are talking about someone and they are paying you or they're your best friend, 807 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,300 disclose that. 808 00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:08,880 It will go far better for you in the long run. 809 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,440 I promise. 810 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,320 The second thing is always, always disclose if you're being paid for your efforts. 811 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:20,160 And some, in some industries you're required to and will be illegal for you not to, especially 812 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,880 in marketing. 813 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,560 YouTubers sometimes get in trouble for this when they're, when they're being paid to sponsor 814 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:31,320 programs but they don't disclose that. 815 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,320 YouTube and everyone, Twitch has cracked down on that a lot. 816 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,760 But for you all in crypto, it's sometimes it could be kind of obscure. 817 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,520 Who's really paying who if they're being paid at all. 818 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:45,800 So if you are receiving payments or there's a conflict of interest somewhere, disclose 819 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:46,800 that. 820 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:52,760 The latest thing for me was the, the eight point Dow where I helped authored a, an AIP 821 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,240 that's currently going up for vote. 822 00:58:55,240 --> 00:59:01,440 And we call it the reset bill to give clarity and transparency and empower the special counsel. 823 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,200 There is an opposing, not opposing, there is a different bill that's gone up called 824 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,760 the revamp bill. 825 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,360 It looks to dissolve the special counsel. 826 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,820 So whenever I comment on that thread, I, I disclose that I am also the author of this 827 00:59:13,820 --> 00:59:17,640 other bill, which is wants to continue the special counsel. 828 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,380 This bill wants to remove the special counsel. 829 00:59:20,380 --> 00:59:21,400 It just works better. 830 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:28,840 I find that people take it on better and that there's more trust that's built upfront versus 831 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,880 later on them find out, Oh, you were so such an advocate for it, or you're really against 832 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:34,880 it. 833 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,360 And then you had a personal connection to it some way. 834 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,240 So disclose your conflicts of interest and your undisclosed payments upfront. 835 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,200 It'll go better for you. 836 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:45,200 All right. 837 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:55,520 So the next thing words that use words that a majority of people are going to know, you 838 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,960 might think you're sounding really smart or that you gain a lot of credibility by using 839 00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:09,440 all of these nice big words, but in the vast majority of times you are, you're just confusing 840 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:10,440 people. 841 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,480 And while they might think that, you know, what you're talking about, I don't think they're 842 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,480 going to fully trust you. 843 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,360 And it's just my sense. 844 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:26,360 Like I said, my opinion in the end, the people who can communicate more clearly are the people 845 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,540 that people listen to mostly. 846 01:00:29,540 --> 01:00:32,240 So use words that people know. 847 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,660 And that's why I say, and you heard earlier when I, when I showed some of the podcasts 848 01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:42,880 for tech talk that I use things like sandbox is like Minecraft. 849 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,620 People know what Minecraft is. 850 01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:47,760 So many more people know what Minecraft is than know what sandbox is. 851 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,880 So when you try and give them a picture of something they know and trust already because 852 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:57,040 they have first hand use of it, you use things they already know like Minecraft. 853 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,880 And instead of saying a metaverse game, most people don't even know what metaverse is. 854 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:09,080 When you say metaverse, people think of ready player one and they think of, of Facebook's 855 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,600 VR headset. 856 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,960 So use Minecraft like it tells them where they are in their brain. 857 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:21,140 Instead of saying sandbox game community, just instead of saying sand fam say sandbox 858 01:01:21,140 --> 01:01:22,800 game community. 859 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,920 It puts words together that they can, that they can associate with sandbox being the 860 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:32,120 thing you just told them about game being a game they play and the community being a 861 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,240 social network of people instead of saying sand fam. 862 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,580 So I say the sandbox family, we call ourselves sand fam. 863 01:01:39,580 --> 01:01:42,240 It's basically a sandbox game community. 864 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,240 Done. 865 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,240 Easy. 866 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:49,920 Instead of saying Vox art it Vox editor, say artist. 867 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:50,920 People know what artists are. 868 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,280 Instead of saying game maker, say level designer. 869 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,240 People know what level designers are because of game development. 870 01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,440 They don't know what a game maker is. 871 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,760 It's too nebulous. 872 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,480 Maybe a maker of games like EA sports. 873 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,080 Maybe but most of the time you're talking about the person who installed the game maker 874 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:15,960 program using Vox, Vox art to weave together a level, level designer. 875 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,800 Just say that. 876 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:25,100 And then digital real estate, say that word instead of land, land owner has too many different 877 01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:26,100 places it could go. 878 01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:31,440 So if you say digital real estate, that puts you in a very, very particular box that you 879 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,040 can then build on and explaining what a land owner is. 880 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:40,040 Instead of saying web three, most people don't know what web three is. 881 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:45,840 Even crypto people, those who have been in the game since 2008 when the white paper launched, 882 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:53,920 I think, or when I went in and the bull run of 2015, I didn't know what web three was 883 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,080 until earlier this year. 884 01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,760 Web three is a new concept, a brand new concept. 885 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,880 Most people don't know what web three is even in the crypto space. 886 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:09,200 So if you say things like the next version of the internet, then they start to place 887 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:14,160 where it is in the terminology and the vocabulary and the framework. 888 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:18,520 Again, this is just my opinion based on my experience. 889 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:19,520 Take it or leave it. 890 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:20,960 No problem. 891 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,000 And then let's get into translating terminology. 892 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,240 So this is more particular to us and San Fam and web three. 893 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,840 You got to translate terminology. 894 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,800 Not just to web two people, but to also to other web three people. 895 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,000 Let's first talk about the word rug. 896 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:46,720 So rug is a term I had never heard before until the last couple of years before we used 897 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,200 to even crypto people. 898 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,240 That's the way I should put this. 899 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:57,560 So translate new web three terminology to old crypto people. 900 01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,000 Rug. 901 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,960 We used to say the word scam. 902 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,600 Okay, rug rug was not a thing back then. 903 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,160 I did start hearing the word people got rugged. 904 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,440 I think it was a rug pull, right? 905 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:16,280 People used to be rug pulled maybe 2020 2019, but still really, really new. 906 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,800 Back then it was just a scam. 907 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:18,800 Okay. 908 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:24,800 So the word alpha, alpha is getting the 411 or getting the scoop on things. 909 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:29,320 I had no idea what the word alpha was until I heard it earlier this year. 910 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,880 I had to have someone explain it to me. 911 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:32,880 Whale. 912 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,720 Whale has been around for a while. 913 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:35,720 All right. 914 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,480 So wait, I know what whale was. 915 01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,320 They were using whale even back then. 916 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,520 It's a high net worth individual. 917 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,160 Okay. 918 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,720 Mooning. 919 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,780 So mooning used to be called to the moon, right? 920 01:04:50,780 --> 01:04:52,520 So go to the moon. 921 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:57,740 And that used to be called that because not just of a crypto thing going up, but also 922 01:04:57,740 --> 01:05:06,280 when Dogecoin was put on a rocket somewhere and it was at the moon or it was a whole thing. 923 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,000 But mooning is like a verb now, I guess. 924 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,000 And it means that it's going to go up. 925 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,040 So price increase. 926 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,040 Meme coin. 927 01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,720 That one's been around for a while. 928 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:22,120 But when you're trying to explain it to a web two person, it's a popularity coin based 929 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,480 on a fad. 930 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,920 So that's how I explain it to a web two person. 931 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:28,920 Shill. 932 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,400 Shill to me has been taken too far nowadays. 933 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:38,560 Shill used to be properly called when you called someone when they were an excessive 934 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,040 promoter of things. 935 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:45,600 So most of the time when you're in Telegram or Discord or YouTube comments or a YouTube 936 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:51,360 video, a shill was a person who would pop in there and copy paste 10 messages and say 937 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,280 buy X coin because it's going up 2000% in the next two hours. 938 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,480 Hurry before it gets there. 939 01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,760 So that's the whole get an early thing that you all hear about nowadays. 940 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,000 That's where it came from. 941 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:07,520 Shill was a person who did that too much. 942 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,480 Way too much. 943 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,800 An excessive promoter of things. 944 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:12,800 All right. 945 01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,000 Nowadays I hear that people call shill like you would call someone stupid. 946 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,680 Hey, you're stupid. 947 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,840 It just, I think it's silly to me. 948 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:31,320 I got called a shill once for posting a one hour interview on a Discord channel or in 949 01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:32,320 a Twitter feed. 950 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,720 I think it was related to what we were talking about in the X space. 951 01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,640 Someone called me a shill and I'm like, really? 952 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:43,840 Dude, you have no idea what that word means if you're calling me a shill. 953 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:48,680 A well thought out interview of thought and long form content. 954 01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,440 That's ridiculous. 955 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,080 But shill, that's what it means. 956 01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:54,080 An excessive promoter. 957 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:59,080 Then you start getting into kind of the acronym soup. 958 01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,080 FOMO. 959 01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,680 Failure, fear, fear of missing out. 960 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:05,720 FOMO. 961 01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,200 So fear of missing out. 962 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,200 NFA. 963 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,360 That's a new one. 964 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:10,840 People use NFA. 965 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,440 The word itself isn't, so not a financial advice, has been around for a long time, but 966 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,480 no one called it NFA. 967 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:23,520 It's like the whole kind of new age crypto, web three people, doing acronyms of things. 968 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,200 So NFA. 969 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:30,840 First of all, I don't ever recommend you use that because just saying the word NFA doesn't 970 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,040 say not financial advice. 971 01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,760 It's definitely not something that's going to help you if you ever end up in court. 972 01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,600 To say, oh, I said the word NFA. 973 01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:40,600 Don't. 974 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,480 To use the word not financial advice. 975 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,820 Wagme? 976 01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:47,480 I did not know what that one was. 977 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,600 I had to look it up. 978 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,640 We're all going to make it. 979 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,440 We're all going to make it. 980 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:55,680 Wagme. 981 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,100 And then FUD. 982 01:07:57,100 --> 01:07:59,520 Let's talk about FUD. 983 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,960 FUD is a term that started out dark. 984 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:04,960 So FUD. 985 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:11,400 I really saw FUD in 2016 when I started doing the fact checking videos. 986 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:19,760 Some of my stuff was called FUD and the reason why, not just my stuff, but I witnessed, I 987 01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:26,120 was in Telegram stuff, but different Telegram groups as a fact checker, but at different 988 01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:33,200 Telegram groups, different circles because I was fact checking while I was fact checking. 989 01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:39,080 I was buying into some of these things to fact check how it all went down. 990 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:46,120 But part of that brought me into circles where I witnessed people weaponize the word FUD 991 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,640 against other crypto people. 992 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:53,600 And most of the time those other crypto people were just asking the question about what something 993 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,000 was or they came in and say, hey, what is this? 994 01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,360 This kind of looks weird. 995 01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:03,360 And then the admin of the Telegram group would ban that person and then just start a shit 996 01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:07,080 rant on them to start ranting about them. 997 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,920 Someone who just asked a question about something. 998 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:16,680 And so FUD was used as kind of like a ban hammer term to boot someone out and all of 999 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,000 these different Ponzi schemes. 1000 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,840 So to protect their community, they would ban newcomers who expressed anything other 1001 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:35,720 than I don't know, Kim Jong Un style adherence to their plan or their persona or their whatever. 1002 01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:40,200 So if you fell out of line, you got FUDded. 1003 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:45,240 And so FUD has this dark history in my view of crypto people weaponizing that against 1004 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:46,640 other crypto people. 1005 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:47,640 And most of them were reasonable. 1006 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:48,640 Some of them weren't. 1007 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:49,640 Some of them were trolls. 1008 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:54,000 We call them grifter now as I guess. 1009 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:59,000 But FUD was a bad term to me. 1010 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:06,600 It was a term to weaponize against people who reasonably brought in uncertainty, brought 1011 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,600 in doubt. 1012 01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,920 The fear thing, I think is just kind of an acronym. 1013 01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,280 There wasn't much fear that I saw. 1014 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:19,700 The only fear I saw were that the people who are the admins afraid of losing their credibility 1015 01:10:19,700 --> 01:10:24,240 for other people who walked in and say, hey, this thing doesn't make any sense. 1016 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,900 You can't be promising 10% a day. 1017 01:10:26,900 --> 01:10:30,080 And people were like, that's FUD and then banned them. 1018 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:37,800 So whenever someone accuses someone else of FUD, I kind of have a moment because it had 1019 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:43,680 this really dark history of being weaponized against other crypto people by crypto people 1020 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:48,240 hoping to retain their power or to retain their influence and don't let their credibility 1021 01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:49,720 be questioned. 1022 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,800 Whereas now that's not good for DAOs. 1023 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:58,520 FUD is not a phrase I want to hear people use against other people in DAOs because in 1024 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:05,040 DAOs you really do have millions on the line of people who invested, who are credible reputation 1025 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:13,020 people and when, and it is, it is our place to question things. 1026 01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:24,560 So I, someone used that term against me long ago and I, I didn't say much about it. 1027 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:30,760 I kind of just like, okay, I understand where you're coming from, but I can start to see 1028 01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:38,320 it creep back in, in the DAO space of some people calling other people FUD. 1029 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:44,320 And for me, the ban hammer didn't in 2016, 2017, when all this went down, the ban hammer 1030 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,280 wasn't soon thereafter. 1031 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,660 They were exiled from the community. 1032 01:11:50,660 --> 01:11:58,800 And I wonder at people using that phrase, not realizing the dark history it has. 1033 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:04,400 So I haven't seen the bans happen on the DAOs yet, but people start calling other people 1034 01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:11,600 FUD, FUDding or FUDders and then it's just trust me. 1035 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,120 Then you don't have to trust me. 1036 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:18,120 You can go back in time and see how FUD was used against other crypto people. 1037 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,120 I don't like it. 1038 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,720 I don't like the way the terms used and it's a dangerous thing. 1039 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:28,580 You just, you just call someone a FUD and then you, you put this stink on them. 1040 01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:30,080 That isn't most of the time. 1041 01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,920 I don't think half the time is deserving. 1042 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,360 So there you go. 1043 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:40,360 So finished with that portion. 1044 01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,080 And let's move to the second part of the slide. 1045 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:47,760 So things I learned, things I learned, not just being on advertisement, things I learned, 1046 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:56,080 not just being on podcasts, but through my own podcasting. 1047 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,520 Here's some things I learned. 1048 01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,640 When you start sounding like a walking advertisement, as is sometimes I do when I'm on a podcast 1049 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:03,640 talking about sandbox. 1050 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,720 I talk about all the great things it is. 1051 01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,840 Don't be afraid, be afraid to reiterate your disclosure. 1052 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,960 Here's an example of me doing that on tech talk. 1053 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:20,440 I think when AirDrop and Network mentioned, you know, their kids sandbox is of the two, 1054 01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:25,200 the more kid friendly version, you know, the, just the way it looks and then the way it's 1055 01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,820 moderated and protected. 1056 01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:32,680 So there's no, there's no voice chat that you might find in Call of Duty where you have 1057 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,360 to police your kids and that sort of thing. 1058 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:42,040 There are in-game moderators that kind of check to make sure that conduct is healthy. 1059 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,480 And so they kind of police that a little bit more so. 1060 01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:48,440 And so it looked to me the most inviting of the two. 1061 01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:51,460 And then the ecosystem behind it was just enormous. 1062 01:13:51,460 --> 01:13:54,680 So that's the way I kind of introduced the sandbox. 1063 01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,160 I'm by no means a spokesperson of the sandbox. 1064 01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:58,880 Like I said, I'm just a community member. 1065 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:03,160 I'm someone who's passionate about, you know, existing. 1066 01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:04,400 I own land. 1067 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,360 So I buy, I've bought land. 1068 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:12,540 I've published experiences like little mini games to the sandbox that people can play. 1069 01:14:12,540 --> 01:14:16,100 And I believe in the vision and the mission of it. 1070 01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:23,080 And I want to be a productive community member to where we make it better. 1071 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:28,400 So when I was describing, when I was responding to the questions, I started to sound like 1072 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,400 a walking advertisement. 1073 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,200 It was like sandbox is great. 1074 01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,080 Here's all the stuff we can do. 1075 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:41,600 And I, there was a point in time when I felt it was needed for me to reiterate my disclosure 1076 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,040 that, again, I'm not a sandbox employee. 1077 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,040 I'm not a Dow person. 1078 01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:46,360 I'm just a community member. 1079 01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,080 I'm just someone who is here. 1080 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,520 I'm passionate. 1081 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:50,840 And then here's the next part. 1082 01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,680 Don't be afraid to admit something you think should be improved. 1083 01:14:54,680 --> 01:15:00,040 Like that's where the FUD fear comes in, where people are afraid to be labeled FUD. 1084 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:01,040 I'm past that. 1085 01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:02,560 I'm way past that. 1086 01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,520 If I don't agree with something, especially in the Dow space, I now bring it up because 1087 01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,600 I've seen what happens when you don't. 1088 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:09,960 And I don't want that. 1089 01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,880 I don't want to see that in our community and San Fam. 1090 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:19,040 So I admit when I think something should be improved and also don't be afraid to reinforce 1091 01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:26,960 that you do not have any undisclosed payments to a sandbox person. 1092 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,840 This is just me telling you my experience and my interactions with it. 1093 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,880 And I'm not making anything from this either. 1094 01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:43,480 So those interaction layers, so I go into the whole thing about interaction layers of 1095 01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:45,360 the ecosystem. 1096 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:52,800 But when you start sounding like a walking advertisement, which is not hard to do when 1097 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:58,040 talking about the sandbox and how great things are, there's three things at your disposal 1098 01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:03,840 when it comes to your reputation, your credibility, or people's trust in you and what you're saying. 1099 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:08,000 You can reiterate your disclosure. 1100 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:13,320 You can mention things that, hey, just because it is really, really cool, there's also this 1101 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,680 that you have to watch out for. 1102 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:20,880 That to me is a healthy amount of, that's a healthy thing to say. 1103 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,040 And then reiterate that you're not being paid for. 1104 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,400 And if you are, reiterate that you are being paid. 1105 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:32,000 That sort of reminder, I think, is a good protective element for both you and sandbox 1106 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:38,200 because it tells people, here's what it is and here's why I'm saying it. 1107 01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:44,240 And that that why can sometimes be really, really important to the listener. 1108 01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,720 The other thing I learned operating in space, most people don't know what the sandbox is. 1109 01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:53,360 They might have heard the word the sandbox and somehow associate it with a game. 1110 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,200 Most people don't know what it is. 1111 01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:59,200 So when you explain it to them, explain it in terms they understand, like it looks like 1112 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:00,720 Minecraft. 1113 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:01,900 It's on the blockchain. 1114 01:17:01,900 --> 01:17:07,840 All these different terms they do know. 1115 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:12,960 Most people associate Metaverse with Ready Player One and Facebook VR. 1116 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,720 So if you don't remember Ready Player One, it was that really cool game, that game was 1117 01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,920 a really cool movie that got a lot of hype. 1118 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,600 Looked like this. 1119 01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,440 The Oasis was the brainchild of James Halliday. 1120 01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:30,720 Hello, if you're watching this, I'm dead. 1121 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,760 I created a hidden object, an Easter egg. 1122 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,800 And then there's all sorts of gamer stuff going on. 1123 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,440 A lot of cool references. 1124 01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:49,720 Halo and the old robot movie from our childhood. 1125 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:54,140 But most people think when you say Metaverse, they think Ready Player One movie and they 1126 01:17:54,140 --> 01:17:56,960 think Facebook VR headset. 1127 01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,480 Neither which applies to the sandbox. 1128 01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:05,140 So you just have to understand that that's usually what they're thinking when you say 1129 01:18:05,140 --> 01:18:06,560 Metaverse game. 1130 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,880 And so when I describe it, I describe it with that in mind. 1131 01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,920 And then I kind of redirect the language to say it looks like Minecraft. 1132 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,480 Actually, you play it on your computer. 1133 01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:20,660 You integrate with the blockchain with NFTs. 1134 01:18:20,660 --> 01:18:24,400 When you swing a sword, you're swinging an NFT on the blockchain. 1135 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,480 That sort of stuff. 1136 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:33,400 And then when you're talking to a Web 2 audience or even a Web 1 audience, most of the time 1137 01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:39,640 I found that they have a negative or neutral perception of blockchain, NFTs and cryptocurrency. 1138 01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:44,120 There's just too much mainstream media that will call it a scam. 1139 01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,360 The whole thing a scam or a gambling. 1140 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:47,360 I hear that a lot. 1141 01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,560 It's gambling. 1142 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:56,200 And whether it be John Oliver at The Daily Show or even not so much Forbes, but used 1143 01:18:56,200 --> 01:19:08,160 to be Forbes and you'll still find old articles on CNN or Business Insider, really well known 1144 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:17,320 respected journals will have a lot of what we used to call FUD. 1145 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:18,640 There's that term again. 1146 01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,280 And you can see how complicated that term can get. 1147 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:28,440 But most Web 2 people have a negative or neutral perception of our industry in Web 3. 1148 01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:37,200 So that negative publicity is something you have to either address or talk clearly through. 1149 01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:41,640 The more you start talking about layer one and layer two and Polygon versus Ethereum 1150 01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:46,200 and this fight they had and whatever. 1151 01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:51,840 What they're worried about is if I invest in this thing, is it going to lose me money? 1152 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,280 Why should I even get involved in this thing? 1153 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:56,360 Digital property ownership. 1154 01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,120 Why is that important to me? 1155 01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:03,480 The way Yatsu describes digital property ownership in his TED talk, I've done that in a, I've 1156 01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:06,740 showed that in a previous podcast is phenomenal. 1157 01:20:06,740 --> 01:20:14,840 To me, it's I'm taking notes on how to describe it in a way where you look at your doom scrolling 1158 01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:20,160 on TikTok as you're giving labor to the algorithm of TikTok. 1159 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,120 You're giving them free data, which they then turn around and sell and monetize. 1160 01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,160 You're not getting paid for that at all. 1161 01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,480 Whereas Web 3, it turns that around. 1162 01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:34,680 You're able to start making money off of your efforts, your play to earn sort of thing, 1163 01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,360 play and earn. 1164 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:44,200 So the negative publicity around the scams and the fear around the regulatory things 1165 01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:50,360 with the SEC and the Wells notices and the Howie tests, all of that creates a negative 1166 01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,520 or neutral perception of the Web 3. 1167 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,760 So that's just something that's a fact. 1168 01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:03,360 It's just, it's just known whenever you operate in those audiences that they will, that that's 1169 01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,720 what you're talking around. 1170 01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:12,040 And so how do I end with, how do I describe the sandbox? 1171 01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:16,680 My most recent explanation was liking it, liking it to a mall. 1172 01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:21,760 And I came up with that one kind of on the fly during tech talk and I really liked it. 1173 01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,240 So I wrote it down so that I can explain it that way in the future. 1174 01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,880 But it went a little bit like this. 1175 01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:31,200 That's the very first thing is what you play on is owned by someone. 1176 01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,000 So like, like your building, when you walk into a building in a mall, that mall is owned 1177 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,520 by someone who owns the land. 1178 01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:44,960 The mall that you walk into the building was built by someone, most of which is minted 1179 01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,280 on the blockchain somewhere. 1180 01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:53,200 So the tree that you're looking at is a doesn't have to be, but a lot of times it's an asset 1181 01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:54,520 on the blockchain. 1182 01:21:54,520 --> 01:22:02,560 The chair that you sit down on or the walls that you see, all of it was built by someone. 1183 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,640 And if they choose to, they can mint that on the blockchain. 1184 01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:13,280 And also the sword that you swing or the shoes that you wear, all the equipables, the props, 1185 01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:19,120 those were designed by an artist who could, if they choose, also mint that on the blockchain. 1186 01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,960 And so you have these different interaction layers. 1187 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:29,040 Even the avatar that you walk around with, like I mentioned earlier, World of Women or 1188 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,200 Board 8 Yacht Club. 1189 01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:36,920 If you have any of those avatars, a number of them have a, I don't remember what they 1190 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:42,360 call them, like a bridge where if you, if you join the sandbox game, a lot of these 1191 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:49,680 avatars that you have, you can, odds are you can probably use at least one of them free. 1192 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,560 You're not paying anything extra. 1193 01:22:52,560 --> 01:23:01,320 So there, I described it like a mall where the land is owned by someone, the stores, 1194 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:07,960 so the experiences are owned by someone, what's built around the buildings or the equipment 1195 01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,360 or the assets are all built by someone. 1196 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:11,720 And so I described it like that. 1197 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:17,600 And I think I'm going to make it better, but I like the way it came across. 1198 01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,620 So I'll probably use that term again. 1199 01:23:20,620 --> 01:23:26,200 And then, and then the next thing is I describe it as an ecosystem. 1200 01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,600 And now, nowadays I have a slide on it. 1201 01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,840 So this slide, oops, too zoomed in. 1202 01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:37,040 So this slide right here, the people product purpose, I go over this every slide, every 1203 01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:42,800 podcast now since podcast 31 where I introduced it, but it's new. 1204 01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:47,280 Before I was just talking it through and now I have a visual to show people. 1205 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:55,360 So the ecosystem, I talk about how there are multiple types of people and career fields 1206 01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:56,360 within the sandbox. 1207 01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:03,180 So you've got, you've got developers, you have business people, you have entrepreneurs, 1208 01:24:03,180 --> 01:24:09,040 you have designers, artists, you have speculators. 1209 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:16,040 So people will buy sell brokers, all sorts of different types of people in the sandbox. 1210 01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:20,760 And they all contribute to the ecosystem of a functioning game. 1211 01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,080 And that's how I do that. 1212 01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:28,160 So cool. 1213 01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:32,540 Think we might be done with the podcast. 1214 01:24:32,540 --> 01:24:40,560 We went through, we went through the tech talk questions. 1215 01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:41,560 Those are done. 1216 01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,760 We went through the four questions. 1217 01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:52,200 All right, so tech talk was on October 16th with when airdrop after doing a podcast on 1218 01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:58,660 mine, we did one on his and the four questions there. 1219 01:24:58,660 --> 01:25:05,200 Then we went on to forge web three a day later with Manny and Jack as the host and answer 1220 01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:08,600 the four questions there. 1221 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:13,920 And then we just went over best practices that I found along the way and things I've 1222 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:18,860 learned and how do I describe the sandbox. 1223 01:25:18,860 --> 01:25:21,560 So yeah, there's our podcast. 1224 01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:22,720 Let's look at future episodes. 1225 01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:31,720 So our future episodes, future episodes, I have, we're done with 36. 1226 01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,400 That one's all done with now. 1227 01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:38,040 The next one though is going to be tomorrow, Monday. 1228 01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:44,120 So episode 37, I'm going to be doing an interview with a writer from Dow Times. 1229 01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:50,680 And I ran across them while I was researching one of the podcasts about the birth of sandbox 1230 01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:59,120 and also ran across them when writing the AIP for 8.DOW. 1231 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,920 So I'm going to be interviewing Clement, possibly one other writer, and we're going to be talking 1232 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:07,600 about lessons learned that they've seen in different DOWs. 1233 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,920 Then I'm going to be doing before the end of the week, I'll have prepared and finished 1234 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:21,600 my podcast episode on sandbox DOW constitution, the articles and incorporation and the memo, 1235 01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:22,600 all the founding documents. 1236 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:27,640 So I'm going to be looking at that and all the questions and stuff I have from there. 1237 01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:32,820 Then we're going to be doing a follow up of Magic Palette with Pepe coming up really soon. 1238 01:26:32,820 --> 01:26:35,840 And then I'll start into my series of the sandbox ecosystem. 1239 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,880 I really am looking forward to that. 1240 01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,960 I think the visuals that I create out of that are going to be very helpful to me in my future 1241 01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,200 podcasts after that. 1242 01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:51,200 And helping explain and otherwise think about how we're going to work in the ecosystem, 1243 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:56,160 especially when it comes to me working in and operating as a community member in the 1244 01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:57,160 DOW. 1245 01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,920 I'm learning a lot about DOWs. 1246 01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:04,400 I just got my DOW certification from the blockchain council. 1247 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:14,840 So they call it blockchain council.org. 1248 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:20,760 So the blockchain council, I just finished that certification a couple of days ago, I 1249 01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,600 think. 1250 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:29,360 And I did the Web3 Metaverse. 1251 01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:39,200 I did the, where are you, there, I did this one, the Certified DOW Expert course. 1252 01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:40,200 Got the certification. 1253 01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:47,500 Hello everyone, and welcome to the introduction and overview of the blockchain council Certified 1254 01:27:47,500 --> 01:27:49,760 DOW Expert Certification Program. 1255 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,520 I learned a lot from it. 1256 01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:54,760 I learned a lot about DOWs and how they function. 1257 01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:59,340 And there's also a lot of other certifications I'll be taking to try and learn about cryptocurrency 1258 01:27:59,340 --> 01:28:06,320 and Metaverse and tokenomics and all sorts of stuff so I can be a bit more educated. 1259 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:10,960 But there are a lot of other certifications out there that you can look for. 1260 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:17,000 And if you're interested in being a certified DOW expert, the blockchain council is one 1261 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,480 of the major ones that I've seen when I Googled it. 1262 01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:24,240 But let me know also if you all find other certifications on DOWs. 1263 01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:25,640 I've been looking for them. 1264 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:30,340 I'm trying to educate myself as much as I can on how DOWs function, how they use smart 1265 01:28:30,340 --> 01:28:35,760 contracts and the different tools that are available like Discourse or Tally, Snapshot 1266 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,080 and all sorts of stuff like that. 1267 01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:43,340 But that episode is coming up pretty soon. 1268 01:28:43,340 --> 01:28:49,160 That series is coming up pretty soon for the DOW, the sandbox ecosystem, starting with 1269 01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,440 the DOW. 1270 01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:52,440 Sandbox Bases. 1271 01:28:52,440 --> 01:29:02,680 On Discord, we have the DOW discussion space. 1272 01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,360 Then also the sandbox DOW forums. 1273 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:10,800 On Twitter there's Sandfam and the sandbox DOW and the sandbox game hashtags. 1274 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,640 Also the sandbox DOW Twitter account. 1275 01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:19,760 Do subscribe to the sandbox DOW YouTube channel. 1276 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,600 That first episode is coming up in about a week with Kunta. 1277 01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:29,560 He's going to be going over a lot of the responses to the poll. 1278 01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:34,880 And my Sandow podcast is on there as is Sandfam Cafe. 1279 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,400 So check that out too when you have time. 1280 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:44,640 For Twitter and X Spaces, you've got Mochaverse Hall, also called United Grand Halls on Monday. 1281 01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:50,120 You've got Bulls on the Block on Saturday, Coffee with Captain, Monday through Friday, 1282 01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:53,560 and Natively Digital with Whale Members on Tuesday. 1283 01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,360 They also just launched their DOW Whale Members. 1284 01:29:56,360 --> 01:30:00,000 They are one of the most, the biggest landowners in sandbox. 1285 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,120 So I currently have a proposal with Whale DOW for them to vote on every sandbox proposal, 1286 01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:08,920 whereas before they haven't been voting. 1287 01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:16,080 So we're trying to get them integrated as members to help with Quorum. 1288 01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,520 And thank you all for your time. 1289 01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:28,360 Today was about the Sandow podcast 31, Forge Web 3, and Tech Talk podcasts and the different 1290 01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,680 lessons I've learned and the history. 1291 01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,000 Actually it turned out to be a history of myself as well. 1292 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,000 So thank you all. 1293 01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,200 And we are now going to rate.