1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,600 Hello everyone. 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,360 Sandow podcast number 29. 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:17,120 Today I have a special guest when airdrop from I love domains and today we're going 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:22,840 to be talking about identity, digital identity, web three identity and then factoring that 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:28,360 into the Dow and how that can relate to us here in the sandbox style. 6 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Tom when airdrop. 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,360 Thank you. 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,360 I'm really glad to be here. 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,560 I feel like a fortune. 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:42,200 So we so we as I mentioned, uh, Dow identity and today's a meet and greet between myself 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:47,760 and when airdrop and also just a conversation to learn and understand when airdrops expertise 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,760 and background in identity and how that relates to us from not just web three, but here in 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:54,760 sandbox style. 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,760 Yeah, I'm ready. 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:04,040 So when airdrop and I, we do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox foundation, 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:10,520 which is the Dow, nothing we say is financial legal advice and, and we are not your financial 17 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:11,520 legal advisors. 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,400 So when airdrops, that's true for me. 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,560 Did I say anything that's not true for you? 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,800 That's a hundred percent true for me. 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:18,800 Right on. 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,480 So when we say the term sip, we mean sandbox improvement proposal. 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:28,520 Dow just means decentralized autonomous organization and San Fam is everything in the, everyone 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:33,560 in the sandbox community, whether they be a gamer, a creator, a landowner or a token 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,320 holder. 26 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:45,400 Scoreboard as of a couple yesterday, day before the two Dow proposals, one of them was mine. 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,120 The other one was Meta Futura. 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,580 Neither of them made quorum so they didn't pass. 29 00:01:49,580 --> 00:01:53,240 Even though both of us had majority yes vote because we didn't reach quorum, it didn't 30 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,240 pass. 31 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:59,560 So now we're at 37% sips that have not been approved. 32 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:08,840 That's six and then nine sips have been approved at 56% of the total Dow as close 16 sips at 33 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,200 this point. 34 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,880 So we're about almost half and half that have not passed and all of them have not passed 35 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,200 because of quorum. 36 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:24,000 So fascinating statistics that hopefully get turned around with the new delegation system. 37 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,840 And we'll find out how identity plays into to all of that with our conversation today. 38 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:34,400 Checkbook we're still at 15% of the DOWs 15.5 million San has been spent. 39 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:46,000 211,000 token holders for San and of those 211,000 token holders, only 2000 are voting 40 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,320 in the DOW. 41 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,160 So introductions, my name is Lancer on the podcast host. 42 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,440 I'm a landowner within the sandbox style. 43 00:02:54,440 --> 00:03:03,300 I am a I guess the only other thing that we applicable for our conversation is avatar. 44 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:10,900 So I'm a four pass holder just like when airdrop is and that is how we met and one of the Forbes 45 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:18,040 legacy pass holder you were featured in what not last week with the week before in the 46 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,320 Forbes builder round. 47 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,060 So shout out to all the legacy pass holders. 48 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:27,760 And when airdrop, if you could please give us your your background and introduce yourself. 49 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,120 Yeah, thank you. 50 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,280 Once again, my name is Marcus Andrews. 51 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:38,760 I am fully docs obviously, you're on screen with you but okay when airdrop I have a platform 52 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:45,520 or founded a platform called I heart domains which focuses on you know the investment develop 53 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:51,980 a web 3 digital identity domain names all that good stuff and also host a podcast weekly 54 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:57,640 called Tech Talk which dives into the basics and even some of the you know some of the 55 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:03,880 more I guess high level ways that people are using these web 3 domain names to change the 56 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:04,880 future. 57 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,280 That's me. 58 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:12,360 So not not just because I was listening a bit not just some of your your podcasts on 59 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:19,600 on tech talk but also what you revealed during the legacy pass Twitch space. 60 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,600 You're you say you were previously a fashion designer. 61 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,600 Yeah. 62 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,600 Yes. 63 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:33,240 So my background prior to web 3 and what I'm currently retired from is I was a bespoke 64 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,200 things where fashion designer. 65 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,200 So I designed custom suits and I'm mostly known for shoes. 66 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:46,360 I designed handmade hand colored Italian leather shoes for men for about six six and a half 67 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:52,040 years and a lot of clientele that were professional athletes and celebrities. 68 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,920 So what now I'm just fascinated. 69 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,920 I'm just curious. 70 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,380 I've had some suits made myself like whenever I travel and stuff like that. 71 00:04:59,380 --> 00:05:03,840 So were you like you were making the suits or you were like one of the person to the 72 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:06,040 measurements or you own the business. 73 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,040 How did that work. 74 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,040 Yeah. 75 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,880 So I'm one of the people who did all the measurements to design and sourcing and I had Taylor's 76 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:14,880 here. 77 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:15,880 I'm in San Antonio as well. 78 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:16,880 Like I said. 79 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:17,880 Oh right on. 80 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:18,880 Right on. 81 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:24,440 But yeah I had actually a network of about four or five Taylor's sometimes that would 82 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,240 all do just several different types of work for me. 83 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:32,680 I had some that would you know were able to do anything from really reconstructing or 84 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,960 constructing the suit from scratch. 85 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,600 Like I said we would do straight the smoke patterns all that good stuff. 86 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:37,600 Gotcha. 87 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,640 And did you own the business or were you a manager in the business or where. 88 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,000 I know the business is called Sartorial Luxury. 89 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:49,920 It was my brand I created and started off as footwear footwear was it was and kind of 90 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,880 primarily always was like the what people came in for. 91 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,720 Suiting is something I added and not to make this sound weird but there weren't many people 92 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,880 who could make suits in my city that matched the quality of my shoes. 93 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,000 So I stepped in to do that. 94 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,480 See a need feel a need. 95 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,480 That's how that works. 96 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,440 So you've been you've been an entrepreneur for quite some time then. 97 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,720 I'm a serial entrepreneur prior that I was in the payment space. 98 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,480 And then the payment space. 99 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:18,480 Gotcha. 100 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,480 Gotcha. 101 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,560 Like business payments the back end and the. 102 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,120 Merchant services. 103 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,120 Yeah. 104 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:31,920 I'm a serial entrepreneur myself so I am I have used those services before some I'm familiar 105 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,080 about that. 106 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:40,440 A fashion designer and business owner of custom suits and shoes. 107 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,680 That's cool. 108 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,680 That's cool. 109 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:50,520 And so nowadays you own I'm I heart domains which is focused on domain investment in Web 110 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:51,520 3. 111 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:52,520 Yeah. 112 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:59,400 So I'm externally I guess the part that other people see isn't more isn't really investment 113 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,640 focused in the back end. 114 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,680 You know that's that's an activity that I do that's how I got into the space. 115 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:12,000 But I guess the service I provide to others or the way people interact with my platform 116 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:18,160 is more educational and content media and all that good stuff. 117 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,160 Gotcha. 118 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,760 And tech talk is that layered on top of I heart domains or is it separate. 119 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,520 Tech talk is is is a property of our domain so tech talk is the name. 120 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:29,520 Got it. 121 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,560 And I think I when I counted you're at 75 episodes now. 122 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,760 That's 75 published episodes. 123 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,360 I have about 30 more that I never published. 124 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:40,360 I didn't figure out. 125 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,680 Yeah I didn't figure out how to upload these and well I didn't even figure out how to get 126 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,320 them off Twitter until I was about 30 episodes. 127 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,320 Got it. 128 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,320 Got it. 129 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,320 Yeah. 130 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:52,320 Right on. 131 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,320 Well welcome. 132 00:07:53,320 --> 00:08:01,360 When airdrop Marcus appreciate you coming on to explain your your expertise and connect 133 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:06,760 on digital identity something that sandbox now that we've transitioned just from like 134 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:12,520 a bunch of gamers and people who you know mostly anonymous behind a username creating 135 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,160 whether they be NFTs or a token holder. 136 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:20,760 Now we're actually getting into the business end of Dowship and proposals and entrepreneurs 137 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:26,360 which you go from you know what creating the NFT and selling it. 138 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,840 Being anonymous is ain't no thing. 139 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:34,600 But when you start asking for hundreds of thousands millions of dollars you're talking 140 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:41,280 about people want to know who you are what you've done your resume and doxing becomes 141 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,880 becomes a thing doxing yourself like I'm doing now. 142 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:50,520 I mean I'm on camera and that sort of thing and the same that you've done. 143 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:55,480 I really want to get into how identity how we should approach that what what should we 144 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,720 expect that sort of thing. 145 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,960 Can you can you first touch on when it comes to digital identity what have you learned 146 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,080 it has been the core tenants of it. 147 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,280 How do you approach it. 148 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,280 What's important. 149 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:14,000 Oh yeah so one of the things you mentioned and kind of going into my background into 150 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:20,400 when I came into it three came in like mid to the top of 2021 like at that bull run. 151 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,240 So I basically lost all of my money and I've just been here coping since. 152 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:32,400 But when I when I came into this space like anonymity was like really at its peak I think 153 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,320 everyone that they're going to create this big faceless society where we all just trusted 154 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,160 each other because of smart contracts. 155 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,240 And the point that you had just made is like that's cool to an extent like within the degen 156 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:50,240 circle but then when you really start trying to build something or attract people from 157 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:57,120 outside of the space like trust really comes from identity. 158 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:04,680 And so like in relationships exactly like people people have to and it's just I guess 159 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:06,680 maybe it's just a human thing right. 160 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:12,280 Is that we will only do so much to an extent until we have to know or build relationships 161 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:17,660 with people or until we need some sort of I said what do they call it like credibility 162 00:10:17,660 --> 00:10:22,120 or tools or something like that to validate who we're speaking to. 163 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,840 Also through that exact same period of time we had a lot of scams and some of those scams 164 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:27,840 had to be right. 165 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,740 Are there with bad links. 166 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:35,840 So that was kind of like the situation that I entered into that made it immediately important 167 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:43,600 to me in the future you know that I just foresaw that at some point people would need to start 168 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,720 either doxing themselves or creating some form of formal identity that we could use 169 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,640 to make sure we're dealing with who we're dealing with. 170 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,480 So that being said like you were saying like the core tenets of digital identity or identity 171 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:02,280 in the beginning or to begin with is you know a lot of the benefit or the properties of 172 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:08,600 the block chain being able to track certain things reputation management or not reputation 173 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,240 management reputation tracking all that good stuff. 174 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:16,200 You know like I said bundle that in and use that as an asset as a badge of honor people 175 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,880 being able to recognize those things and then you know ownership and that being able to 176 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,520 build upon it. 177 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,120 You know I think that that's the core value of digital identity and it applies to so many 178 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,160 different spaces. 179 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,200 And I'm looking forward to getting into this conversation because like individually I think 180 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,640 digital identity has a different benefit to different communities. 181 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:42,080 It's not we kind of like simplified or narrow it to like it's I guess you would say it's 182 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:47,440 core utility which is resolving to crypto web addresses but even that means so much 183 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,440 more. 184 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:53,200 Yeah and I think I missed the first part when you you named two different core tens of digital 185 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,280 identity I think the second one was ownership what was the first one. 186 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:03,960 Yeah ownership well in the Web 3 space digital identity the core tenet would be ownership 187 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:10,200 and then like transparency reputation like reputation transparency being able to immediately 188 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,760 prove you are who you are and you've done certain things. 189 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:19,000 I hope I'm I know that there's probably a better term out there that's not my reputation's 190 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,000 good. 191 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000 That's a good one. 192 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Yeah. 193 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,360 I will spell out anything that I'm saying so that anybody that hears this can understand 194 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,360 what I mean. 195 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,360 Yeah. 196 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:32,840 So what you have so whether you're an ape or whether you have like the best dot IO or 197 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,080 whatever and then reputation what have you done or have you been involved in some of 198 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:44,400 those shady investments that turned up and rubbed or are you someone who when you backed 199 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,120 a project it came through it followed through. 200 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,320 And that's what I'm saying. 201 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,400 It's it's it's I mean for most people the people who have been involved in something 202 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,320 bad will probably always shy away from wanting to share their shares. 203 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,320 Sure. 204 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Yeah. 205 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,840 But the ones that are really out here building it's more and this is how the light that I 206 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,480 want people to see it. 207 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,320 It's more like you said the showcase what you are doing. 208 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:14,880 A lot of us are doing multiple things that that are tracked on the blockchain and that 209 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,040 you know resonate with other people that may attract investors if they see those types 210 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,200 of things or they can find you. 211 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,200 Right. 212 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,640 And we see we have all kind of like and I don't think a lot of people realize this but 213 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:31,000 there's a lot of automatic bots and stuff in the back end that broadcast transactions 214 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,560 and things that people do on the blockchain constantly because like you can. 215 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:36,840 Right. 216 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,600 People see some of those transactions. 217 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,800 Listen just I'm sorry to kind of if I'm going off the question a little bit. 218 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:43,800 No no no. 219 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:44,800 Keep going. 220 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:45,800 Keep going. 221 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,680 But an example of this is like the E&S sales bot. 222 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:53,600 Anytime you know the sale is made of an E&S domain through a particular platform there's 223 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,400 this bot that tweets this thing out and I follow this bot and every time I see these 224 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,640 names it you know some of the names make me curious. 225 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,240 It doesn't make me dive into who made that transaction and all that good stuff. 226 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,240 That's all the part of identity is if you are involved in certain things and if these 227 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,440 transactions are broadcast you know which you don't have to give them permission to 228 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,640 be done so someone's interested in something that they saw even if you're not like marketing 229 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,800 or anything like that or doing outreach you might get leads or get business or find partnerships 230 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,120 just because people found you because of it. 231 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,120 That all starts with like I said you got to know who you are. 232 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:37,480 Gotcha yeah because who you are especially when it comes to like reputation management 233 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:46,360 what I'm finding in DAOs is that people who request things you know we'll get into that 234 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:53,080 later but identity I think becomes really really important when it comes to DAO authors 235 00:14:53,080 --> 00:15:00,120 who are proposing multi hundred thousand dollar initiatives and then the voters in that DAO 236 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,320 want to know are you someone we can trust with that sort of money but alright let's 237 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,680 keep going on on digital identity because I think that's going to lay a foundation for 238 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,200 what we're about to get into. 239 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,200 In your podcast episodes I looked at a couple of them or a few of them and the two that 240 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:22,440 stuck out to me was you did a podcast called Decentralization and Ownership in Social Media 241 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,320 which episode was that? 242 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:33,800 That was back in October of last year and then you also did one called Tokenize Domains 243 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:43,480 and that one was in February of this year and the y'all were you had a number of guests 244 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:50,000 and the things I wanted to focus in on there was were there things that you learned about 245 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:57,920 ownership or sorry what did you learn about ownership and identity in web three and yeah 246 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,840 those are the two that stuck out for me that really came about for this question. 247 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:09,800 Yeah in the first episode that you spoke about the centralization and ownership in social 248 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,360 media I think that was right when I discovered Warpcast. 249 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,440 Okay I just discovered that last week so. 250 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:26,040 Congratulations to you everyone who discovered Warpcast sooner the better and Warpcast will 251 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:35,240 give in its way it'll give you kind of a glimpse into where this is going and what value this 252 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,720 type of digital identity has right. 253 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:44,560 So our space has evolved very fast so even like just back then in October we've gone 254 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,560 so far since then so it's crazy going back to this space to talk about this but one of 255 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,560 the things that we were theorizing like it wasn't really a real thing then but we were 256 00:16:53,560 --> 00:17:00,720 speculating on and so I think at the time it may have been and if my memory serves me 257 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:06,000 correctly when the profile switched over when Elon took over all that good stuff there was 258 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,880 a time I think when X the X profile got taken from the gentleman that owned it that had 259 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,280 the hashtag at X I think the. 260 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:21,280 Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah the music or something like that something to do with music. 261 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,840 Yeah that one too like like they basically did an imminent domain and took them and so 262 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:31,120 we were talking about you know that's one of the future potential utilities or values 263 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,760 of owning like your username. 264 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:40,040 So basically this generation and the generations that are going to come like business is different 265 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:45,560 people are able to build entire businesses and monetize basically their social presence 266 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:51,160 so the name that you start off with the name that people's you know know you by find you 267 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:57,300 by go to your social media your handle that is an asset right but something can't really 268 00:17:57,300 --> 00:18:03,740 be an asset if it can be taken from you that quickly by the platform and a lot of people 269 00:18:03,740 --> 00:18:11,040 learned last year that asset truly belongs to Twitter so it benefits you to start branding 270 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:16,920 yourself as something that you can actually carry with you now Twitter you can out you 271 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,840 can use your dot ether whatever it is you can use it as your handle and you can brand 272 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,680 yourself that way but the fact of the matter is your account still be shut down and taken 273 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:30,560 from you at any time so it's only kind of like a band-aid to that to that solution. 274 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:36,640 It's now going to work cast work cast is a decentralized social media platform that allows 275 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:41,800 you to port in your digital identity your dot east and it allows you to use that as 276 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:48,240 your username which cannot be you know changed or taken from you it also allows you to take 277 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,760 with you all the information and things that are like I said that are stored in that blockchain 278 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,980 profile that that reputation management the things that you've done the things you've 279 00:18:56,980 --> 00:19:01,800 collected that becomes part of your asset and it follows you and is incorporated into 280 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,600 what's relevant in that social media platform so that was a context which we're talking 281 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,480 about in that particular conversation. 282 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:16,280 Then the second reference you made was about the tokenized domains conversation. 283 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,480 It's weird because like the or not weird but it's interesting the podcast I'm about to 284 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:25,920 do after this is with our partners GBM which they're tokenization platform that is now 285 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:32,320 kind of the area of the space that our industry is starting to like creep into and I think 286 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:37,960 we talked about it's a very interesting being the domains yeah right okay remember I was 287 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,800 referencing that we're building bridges from the quote unquote web three or on chain blockchain 288 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:48,200 domains yes to the additional domain space that's how we're building a bridge back for 289 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:54,200 them so tokenizing domains is basically the ability to take a dot com dot info dot x y 290 00:19:54,200 --> 00:20:00,920 z anything there's 1500 in s t l d's and you can turn those into domains that resolve 291 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:07,160 to crypto addresses and that's you also can turn those into nft assets or real world assets 292 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:12,640 around the blockchain so it's easier to buy sell trade raise capital using domain names 293 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,520 and if any of you guys aren't familiar with the web to domain name space it's like a billion 294 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,520 dollar space with a lot of liquidity flowing through it it's been around for 30 years and 295 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:28,240 it is and it's a real world asset class it's now coming on chain so yeah was talking to 296 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:33,480 money about that technology and bringing those domains into this space which is identity 297 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:41,560 right hope.com can now be coke.com on the blockchain how does that work when you say 298 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:50,280 on the blockchain like making the.com coke.com and the nft yeah so it would turn it into 299 00:20:50,280 --> 00:21:00,200 a tokenized asset which is an nft is yeah it basically makes a tokenized clone and different 300 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:07,680 technologies have like different ways that they create like a roots or whatever it is 301 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:14,400 to to that real world asset most of the tokenized domain platforms that bring domains on chain 302 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:20,200 the the technology is pretty basic between all of them essentially whoever owns the nft 303 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:27,920 holds the domain records so the ability to move edit place content on all of that lies 304 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,240 in the hands of the nft holder even though the real world asset i.e. the domain still 305 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:39,040 sits in you know the web to domain registrars account it's still a web to asset but the 306 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,360 you create another asset that basically has the keys to control what happens with that 307 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:49,520 asset oh all right and this is being done on salana ethereum or where being done well 308 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:54,960 right yeah it's being done on ethereum evm chains right now so like base i don't know 309 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:00,920 if anybody's done this on salana yet so with that being said the purpose of doing that 310 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:07,960 for reasons right one of those reasons like i explained already is being an asset class 311 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,760 that has a market you know that that market in the traditional world of web to domain 312 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:20,160 trading you know has some downsides as far as you know um escrow uh payments not going 313 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:26,160 through all that good stuff or domains those are things that obviously blockchain technology 314 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,400 removes from the equation because you can immediately verify whether something is real 315 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,600 once something's transferred is transferred once a smart contract is initiated it's initiated 316 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:40,760 so creating that clone on the blockchain that then controls that real world asset essentially 317 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,760 now allows you to treat that real world asset like an nft and gives you those same benefits 318 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:52,880 got it got it got good stuff got it okay so then and and and the centralized ownership 319 00:22:52,880 --> 00:23:00,160 episode you learned and talked about how an asset isn't necessarily an asset if if it's 320 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:05,320 a twitter handle that can just be taken from you like happened uh in the early stages of 321 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:12,480 of the twitter to x transition and for tokenized domains you you were talking about how in 322 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:19,240 that billion dollar industry bridging webtoons.com stuff into a tokenized almost like command 323 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:32,080 and control uh i think is what i heard used through like ethereum evm and okay so in now 324 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:39,080 we're gonna almost hard jump into the metaverse so using using that as a foundation how have 325 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:44,040 you seen or how have you thought about how digital identity and those concepts we just 326 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:50,760 talked about integrating into the metaverse yeah so and and i'm going to give you uh 327 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:57,320 my very very basic understanding of the metaverse which probably mirrors what everyone else 328 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:03,120 that's not in web three probably pictures the metaverse but a world right a digital 329 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:08,640 world a digital representation or yeah it's an environment that you enter into and i would 330 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:14,160 think like the most obvious thing that you would need in an environment where there's 331 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:19,360 other people would be a way to identify who they are or what to call them yeah right now 332 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:25,040 we just use usernames and like you know like like lancer or or iheart domains or when airdrop 333 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,640 or whatever and like you're in a you're in something that looks like a minecraft server 334 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,440 if you're in the sandbox at least you it looks like the minecraft and you're jumping around 335 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,320 inside servers within a game client that you install and we call that the metaverse because 336 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:45,440 it has many different types of servers that are all connected to each other like i own 337 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,020 this server someone else owns that server and people can play and join different servers 338 00:24:51,020 --> 00:24:56,860 as they see fit and we just call that the metaverse um but if you have no idea what 339 00:24:56,860 --> 00:25:04,760 that even means think ready player one and that is like the three uh 4d version we have 340 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,740 on the headset and all that stuff we're not quite there yet um but now you're think think 341 00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:18,200 of like minecraft pc version of that okay um so you guys basically have a closed loop 342 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:24,520 system of identity correct right um that identity or those usernames only work within the sandbox 343 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:33,240 ecosystem um that you there is some incorporation of ens so you my my dot eth address is connected 344 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,600 because when i on chain transactions or like i say i sell sandbox nfts where i buy sand 345 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:45,720 land that is associated with my dot eth account so there is integration but it's not inherent 346 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:53,080 okay yeah and and basically i mean and that was the reason why i was asking that question 347 00:25:53,080 --> 00:26:00,160 because the main purpose or ultimate purpose of this digital identity uh that that we're 348 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:06,920 talking about uh the dot eth in this case um would be like like i said you you build 349 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,520 this asset and kind of the i guess the thing that makes it or gives it its value would 350 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,400 be interoperability meaning the ability to move it from place to place or for people 351 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:23,740 to track that identity in different ecosystems um so with that being said like okay even 352 00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:30,720 though your sandbox identity or whatever is resolving to within the ecosystem has value 353 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:36,800 only to the people who are inside the ecosystem and and can interact in the same way i understand 354 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:42,280 what it is or know you by that like everyone else is seeing your dot e well as you say 355 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,940 that that just made a connection i hadn't thought about before the interoperability 356 00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:51,640 of the different reputation systems like one would be the dot eth one would be uh whatever 357 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:58,320 domain name i have or or a warp caster warp cast um but what what it just connected in 358 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:06,120 my brain was the sandbox dao is interoperable with the mocha dao which is the mocha verse 359 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:12,360 and that's related to anamoka ape coin dao so that's also related to apes and ape chain 360 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:21,540 uh open campus i i don't think they're connected to other side um but there's already many 361 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:26,200 different networks um so mocha has its own reputation chain so you can have like you 362 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:32,080 can have a dot mocha badge almost like a dot eth um same thing with open campus and and 363 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:42,240 then you know apes so the interoperability between sandbox and mocha and apes and even 364 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:52,160 forbes now so having a forbes badge that to me would probably be um the main connection 365 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:59,360 between our identities so you've got your your web three um you've got we have we both 366 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:05,320 have our web web three legacy passes i don't think yet that's been connected to a digital 367 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:14,020 identity that i can think of when you think of the web three uh pass holders do you feel 368 00:28:14,020 --> 00:28:19,900 that they they're connected to any sort of digital identity yet well it well it depends 369 00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:24,240 on how far they are and i guess their personal journey of understanding the blockchain and 370 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,520 i said the dot easter anything like that so me personally and this is how kind of the 371 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,920 process works one of the first things that i did and actually i kind of messed up with 372 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:40,720 my legacy pass um one of those things coming from that trust issues and coming in 2021 373 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:48,760 i used a burner wallet to make my legacy pass oh oh and it's soul bound oh no and so that 374 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,760 okay so so two there i'm gonna make kind of two points here but that ended up itself 375 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,120 as identity soul bound pass you know where that is you know who that holder is and you 376 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,080 know that they can't move that wallet all you now have to do is find someone's legacy 377 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,840 pass i.e. their identity to now see the things that they're collecting with that wallet start 378 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,160 now forming your opinion of what their reputation is to you that's what i mean like that's that's 379 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,860 kind of how that identity works but but now taking it any further what would have been 380 00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:22,600 ideal would have been to put that or mint that pass in the wallet that has my primary domain 381 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:29,920 name attached to it so that now when people because like outside of like i said within 382 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,440 the sandbox ecosystem or then all the other ecosystems that you're talking about the naming 383 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,800 systems that you guys have you're using that in whatever way you're using that within that 384 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:46,160 right outside of that ecosystem there are a lot of platforms that people use like ens 385 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,000 addresses for instance and i'll just stick to mentioning ens in this case people are 386 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,040 familiar with it and it works but ens is a dot es are a perfect example there are a lot 387 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,520 of platforms and protocols like the new one ethereum follow protocol all kinds of stuff 388 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:07,400 that you can easily find someone and what they're doing and what they're holding in 389 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:13,400 a nice attractive ui just by typing in their dot ease and that that you know somebody typing 390 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,720 in your name and seeing a forbes legacy pass may immediately like i said spark a reason 391 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,080 for them to want to connect with you that's ideally how that would work now it's in a 392 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,840 burner wallet and then immediately the one of the things i ended up doing was buying 393 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,440 another ens putting it into that wallet and then setting my primary so that at least people 394 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,000 can see that that identity is close to my primary identity and they know that they're 395 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,360 working with the right person so the burner wallet now it became your okay got it got 396 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:49,040 it that's that's fascinating that's that that's again once people get to know you it's it 397 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:55,200 becomes kind of and i'm hoping i'm using the right words but because like a lot of people 398 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,040 have multiple wallets but you kind of start recognizing wallets yeah based on pattern 399 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:06,000 of how people name things and because you know ens is is is a protocol that you can 400 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,640 interact with and find if this thing is right find where it came from you know it's it just 401 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,160 makes it easy to interact with it again it's something that's very easy for people who 402 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:20,140 are currently using this as an identity and reputation you know management and verification 403 00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:25,360 system for those outside the ecosystem though that's the benefit that it provides is being 404 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,120 able to like i said easily search and see people by what they hold them by what they've done 405 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:36,000 instead of them just being like so again like i was referencing earlier a lot of projects 406 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:43,280 especially like in in in this tech space where people are quite frankly smarter than other 407 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:48,840 people you know it's very easy to make believe in clone assets and fake people out into clicking 408 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:55,520 bad links and trusting people so kind of the purpose of this space and for this type of 409 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,760 digital identity is to mitigate that and help you know create a safer and immutable space 410 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:07,800 for people to enter into and and as you were saying that it kind of struck me that doesn't 411 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:14,320 that mean that the wallet you've been your main wallet that mean that you just not abandoned 412 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:22,160 or dumped but you you had to leave that reputation behind now absolutely i actually have built 413 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:29,200 some solid reputations i'll say about four or five wallets simultaneously and most of 414 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,200 the communities that i'm in know i have all five of those and i have about 100 wallets 415 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,840 to be honest with you but built an actual reputation in different communities with about 416 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:44,640 five different wallets so that new wallet the wallet that the forbes is in i'm actually 417 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,600 now uh gonna build out an entire differently new proof of concept that on it and that will 418 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,480 become an identity all on its own okay no my main wallet is still my main wallet got 419 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,120 other main other main wallets if that makes sense yeah and and this is probably where 420 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:05,480 i can connect it to sandbox so you have multiple wallets with different reputations uh let's 421 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:12,800 call it because different that different wallets have different activities on them where or 422 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:21,320 how do you associate them together yeah so like for instance and and any people who are 423 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,640 like in i'm in now niche communities right and it used to confuse a lot of people at 424 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,360 first but i use a burden again i use a burner wallet typically when i'm interacting with 425 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:37,160 anything with with smart contracts with daps with cool fun stuff that i saw on twitter 426 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,480 i don't want to get rugged so i use a burner wallet but i named my burner wallet i named 427 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,360 my burner wallet as part of an experiment of bringing uh two domains on chain i use 428 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:52,960 dns sec to turn that domain into an ens i then named my burner wallet using my dns name 429 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:59,720 so one of my burner wallets is defi wallet dot id um if you are ever in an auction with 430 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:05,840 me or ever you know in uh if we're ever voting on a proposal or something like that where 431 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,640 i'm using that wallet that's what you will see and i've had to explain to people that 432 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,360 that wallet is completely different than my well i've had to explain to people that that's 433 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,960 me like i've had to do that so many times people bidding against or wondering who is 434 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,400 this guy um that like i said i mean now in those communities people understand that that 435 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,320 wallet's my burner and then of course i heart domains dot eth is one of my mains i've got 436 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,120 several other mains uh but yeah i i name all of my wallets the wallets that i use and i 437 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,400 utilize because i want to make it easy to explain to somebody that's me and they're 438 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,400 able to easily connect that that's me because instead of having to remember a bunch of random 439 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,400 numbers they can see a visual representation of what i named the wallet it's literally 440 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:52,600 named burner dot i heart domains dot eth i mean you kind of you kind of know so as you 441 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,680 as when you're interacting with people and you start to reveal the connections with your 442 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:02,760 different burners and main wallets what are some of the pros and cons that you found by 443 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:09,600 by doing that uh getting people to stop bidding against me uh that's one really okay because 444 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:15,760 they know like they know they know what you can do they know where they know who it is 445 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:23,560 like there's in in a lot of communities what well so for in particular i love um if anybody's 446 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,920 not familiar with nouns or verbs or any of those nanos ecosystems uh please get familiar 447 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,320 especially if you love to do like public goods and help other people but it's really a curated 448 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,640 community they onboard people one day at a time like you have to to win their auctions 449 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:42,160 um and and which auctions are these what was it called they hold their own daily auctions 450 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,880 every single day they have uh nouns has been doing it for the past three years uh verbs 451 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,720 this year uh and that's what they're designed to do the contract will pop out one piece 452 00:35:52,720 --> 00:36:01,040 of art that gets bid on every single day forever nouns dot wtf uh-huh then all the money from 453 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,480 the the auction goes into a treasury and then all the members of that of the dow now uh 454 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,240 collectively vote on how to use those funds and nouns is a really really big example of 455 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:19,080 like a public goods now they've built a bunch my point being is that because so perfect 456 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,120 example if you have built a dow like this right with a sizable treasury i think nouns 457 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,960 treasury was 20 million a little bit earlier this year but east has done what it's done 458 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,800 but you have the advisable treasury that's been built by the members of this dow you 459 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,040 may have a bad actor that wants to come in to try to start collecting pieces in order 460 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:45,920 to now collect the vote and start manipulating what to do with the funds right being able 461 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,800 to see who people are when they're voting and when they're bidding i mean like it's 462 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,560 just to be honest i mean members of the community want to know who's entering their dow yeah 463 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:01,320 and so being able to explain again like this is me you guys know who i am this is just 464 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,200 my burner account um that that can help you know prevent people from bidding out bidding 465 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:11,480 because there i mean some people will outbid you just to prevent you from joining the dow 466 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,840 gotcha gotcha so this nouns dow once you meant one that i'm not saying nouns would be there 467 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,480 let me make that clear anybody listening and it's not an accusation of nouns i'm saying 468 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,600 that the dow mechanics i mean that is that that is a tactic to in order to to you know 469 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:32,840 to kind of keep your community closed or like-minded one of those tactics is to deny them the ability 470 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:39,320 to get that nft that's their membership card into the dow okay got it got it so then you 471 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:45,640 you associate your your different identities on like your profiles your interactions where 472 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:53,520 you reveal that to people and and the the biggest pro that you've seen is that the weight of 473 00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:00,760 your reputation with those different wallets and different patterns of behavior it kind 474 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,480 of brings with it a certain gravitas that may make someone be like hey i'm not going 475 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,880 to go up against this guy because pound for pound is just not going to end well i don't 476 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:16,360 know if that's necessarily the the the respect to people have my wallet but definitely a 477 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,120 respect perspective right and in but i definitely so in but flipping that script and i'm glad 478 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:26,400 you use that as an example um in the nouns community definitely we have some whales right 479 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:34,080 and i've i've backed out of you know auctions because of that um seeing who's bidding on 480 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,960 oh okay yeah because yeah if you if you know who that person is and you know what's in 481 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,840 that wallet you know what's in yours i mean it gives you a clear sign of what you're going 482 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,760 up against it helps you you know either come up with a plan or pan it all together again 483 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,160 all of these things so yeah i've certainly used the others digital identity in that way 484 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,080 to perceive you know whether or not it was worth it to to enter into something i follow 485 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:03,080 people so that as well um i'm very bullish on base so again shout out to that i've only 486 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,800 just discovered that like a couple weeks ago too congratulations again world's about to 487 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,880 about to change hey a lot of those mints are almost zero so if you're watching this i i 488 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,840 wasn't sure what to make of that but most of the mints and a lot of those nfts all you 489 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,600 have to do is pay a gas fee and it's still like one for one almost ethereum on on on 490 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:35,160 ethereum's main net and then bases main net and basis means coin basis uh chain but it's 491 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:41,640 it's almost free you just pay gas one of them's like 0.00001 eth which was like 17 dollars 492 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:49,560 so i was just started like minting like crazy yeah that was um when i first joined workcast 493 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:55,320 and when frames first got introduced almost all of those free mints turned into something 494 00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:01,040 a lot of airdrops really behind those okay some of them ran up to being worth like having 495 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,520 offers of 100 150 dollars each on them yeah it was it was a nice time not financial advice 496 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:12,280 just noting the facts that's all they say in that time i come back uh and congrats to jesse 497 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,400 i know he just took a role with uh coinbase wallet in addition to running base chain so 498 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,920 yeah they're definitely going to bring normans into the space uh i use them as an onboarding 499 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,560 tool for irl events uh but going back to what i was saying on the base thing um there's 500 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:32,800 a platform over there that's similar-ish to like punk.fun i would say uh it's more of 501 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,160 like a project launch so you can launch like membership clubs but most people use it to 502 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:45,920 launch or crowdfund uh token raises and i use that so anyone who has set their their 503 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,400 ens records or any records right if you've set a dns record to ens blah blah whatever 504 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,520 it is whatever uses your primary identity you're able to go into these projects as they're 505 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,320 raising uh and when you're making your decision whether or not to enter a project i mean i'm 506 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,080 gonna look at the list and see who's in you know who's already in and what they've donated 507 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,920 i've used that quite a few times to make my decision whether to enter a pre-sale or not 508 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,440 and some people usually always works out well if i'm in there in the projects that they've 509 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:20,360 entered into. Gotcha. So that that's that's a fascinating sort of uh i think interoperable 510 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,640 is the right word when you mentioned that earlier i think that really starts to connect 511 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:31,160 the dots as to what identity really means and and for sandbox we have uh kyc and kyb 512 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,280 now so know your business and that's that they haven't on board it fully but as a business 513 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:42,480 myself i'm getting kyb'd from my meta worlds group which is a publisher of different experiences 514 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:48,320 so think the minecraft servers that i mentioned my business owns a couple of those servers 515 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,400 um that people can join like once a mini game where it's almost like fall guys you're trying 516 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,440 to outrun the platforms and try and be the last one to survive and then the other one's 517 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,960 like just like uh survive as many waves of enemies as you can for as long as you can 518 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,560 and so we published two of those experiences and in order to be eligible for specific things 519 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:13,400 in the future like rewards or or payouts we have to kyb now um whereas before you didn't 520 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:20,160 all you all you had was your your kyc on your personal account and they somehow associated 521 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:26,160 that with your business account so now they're they're they're separate and distinct but 522 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:32,000 a lot of people still elect to not kyc at all um and but in the sandbox it's it's now 523 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:42,060 true to where if you want to claim a a cryptocurrency reward um so if you complete an experience 524 00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:46,640 and it gives you sand tokens in order to claim those sand tokens you now have to have kyc 525 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:55,920 enabled on your account and sandbox so they're starting to integrate kind of the the aml 526 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:02,800 anti-money laundering and and know your customer laws that are expected in more mature markets 527 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:10,560 and systems and it i'm seeing different i'm seeing different things like predictably some 528 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:18,720 are going to not want to be doxed in any way so they they kind of fall out of the community's 529 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:28,560 limelight but others are starting to um kind of self-docs themselves as they kyc and kyb 530 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:36,360 say hey um i'll i'll show up on lancer's podcast and enable my camera um now especially since 531 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,120 it almost seems like it doesn't matter if i'm kyc and kyb and that's some interesting 532 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:47,120 dynamics i'm starting to see in in the sandbox itself um but it sounds like you're already 533 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:53,880 there for where you are in in the domain system did i accurately connect that or am i off 534 00:43:53,880 --> 00:44:02,840 base oh yeah so kind of like i was saying earlier um the world is real right it it sounded 535 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:08,360 nice and for some people i mean more power to you um if you're you're able to pull off 536 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:13,680 the anonymous thing and you know create you know the success that you're looking for in 537 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,960 the space but for those who and and i think a lot of this kind of came because of what 538 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,040 came after i entered the space remember like i said came in towards the top of something 539 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:29,360 and then we kind of hit this brick wall in this air market and the only way for a lot 540 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,680 of people to really build and cope with each other came through connecting uh interestingly 541 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,080 enough is like through the bear market when the market was at its worst is when we started 542 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:47,520 having like the best irl events so during that same time yeah yeah yeah okay we all 543 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,440 stepped out of the box because this is how we stayed like this may have been how we stayed 544 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,960 alive a lot of people came from behind the shadows to show that they were real people 545 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,040 and this became more about community utility during this time this is where these concepts 546 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,280 started to evolve from and can't really be a community if you can't connect with someone 547 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,660 you can't connect with someone if they're just you know an anonymous picture behind 548 00:45:08,660 --> 00:45:13,480 the screen so so there's that part but then like i said this is the real world if you're 549 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:20,160 building economies online or on chain that can generate revenue you're you're now you're 550 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,560 you're stepping into the rules of business at this point and the nerd stuff kind of has 551 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,960 to go out the window like you have to adapt start trying to implement these things so 552 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,680 we can bring real capital into the space and real capital has to know where they're putting 553 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:39,960 it i'm i'm typing as fast as i can i think i think we just arrived at the point right 554 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,760 there that that you started with can't be a community if you can't connect with someone 555 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,240 and this being the real world when you start building economies online on chain and generating 556 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:58,080 revenue people's savings their future their families become implicated in all of this 557 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,920 you start stepping into the rules of business and and like you said that nerd stuff the 558 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,600 like the whole i want to i want to be behind the shadows and don't tread on my identity 559 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:14,000 and you're not allowed to know who i am like that starts to you start to get excluded from 560 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,360 the opportunities where you know those holding bags people want to know who's holding the 561 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:25,160 bag who's touching the bag who's who's getting those undisclosed payments like i think we 562 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:30,960 just arrived at it right there we were getting we were getting rubbed left and right and 563 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,320 the only way for people to start getting people to trust them to met their project now has 564 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:40,760 to come out and say hey now i'm a real person you trust me maybe so yeah and and that should 565 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,120 have always been a thing and now it's kind of at least in my space is to norm there i 566 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,320 don't think i don't know what anybody i talked to doesn't look like yeah so i'll connect 567 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:56,520 it here to sandbox because i now that i we find i figured it out there with with what 568 00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:03,440 you just said in the in the sandbox dow i i've submitted six improvement proposals at this 569 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,960 point one of them just went um to vote and as i said it didn't make quorum um there's 570 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:15,680 there's a lot of disunity in the sandbox dow with the way it was way it came online it 571 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:21,000 generated a lot of mistrust and cynicism and and so there's a certain segment of the sandbox 572 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,440 dow that just refuses to vote there's another segment that hasn't doesn't even know what 573 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,280 the dow is yet doesn't know that they need to vote they don't care to vote there's too 574 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,800 much kerfluffle going on too much arguing they're like i don't even want to deal with 575 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:41,000 the drama because at its core sandbox is a game so you've got like a bunch of gamers 576 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,680 right a lot of people who are still in in the old mindset of being anonymous and and 577 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:52,000 i don't want anything to do with kyc unless well i guess the bag that sandbox is offering 578 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,960 me is big enough so kind of risk worth reward all right fine i'll show him my driver's license 579 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:03,280 or whatever so so we're starting to we're still in that phase i would say whereas the 580 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:10,080 dow is like you want to spend hundred how many hundreds of thousands of sand tokens 581 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:16,580 um that you want to take how many millions of dollars yeah we better know who you are 582 00:48:16,580 --> 00:48:22,360 and what you're about and so these two things are are right now colliding in the sandbox 583 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:28,820 dow and i didn't know what to make of it i'm i respect the people who want to stay anonymous 584 00:48:28,820 --> 00:48:35,880 stay in that gamer realm and the dow is here people are asking for money and i don't know 585 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:44,400 how to reconcile that um is there anything go ahead no go ahead i'm i'm i'm taking in 586 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,680 that scenario and that sounds like that sucks so you literally can't get enough votes to 587 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:54,360 make one because people either want to vote or don't want to kyc to vote uh um either 588 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,440 you can you can vote as a token holder without being kyc'd you just can't claim you know 589 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,680 rewards within the sandbox community but it's either they don't want to vote because they 590 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:10,600 don't agree with what the dow is and how it came to be or they don't know or don't care 591 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:16,680 to vote because they're gamers and why do i even want to participate in this this council 592 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:23,160 stuff and the way your dow mechanics i guess are hard coded is you still need them to vote 593 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,040 anyway right right if you hold if you hold a sand token every one sand token is one vote 594 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:36,200 and every land is 4 000 votes so uh and the sandbox universe there's 166 000 lands that 595 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:46,080 you can purchase as nfts or 3 billion sand tokens are in circulation so that that's where 596 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:54,640 i mentioned the 211 000 holders of of either token either sand or nfts um so there's 211 597 00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:01,560 000 but only 2000 voters in the dow who have a registered vote that's a huge disparity 598 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,840 and what i was talking about that going on right now i just i don't know what to make 599 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,980 of it man and i was and in this conversation i've been really like kind of queuing in on 600 00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:18,720 how do we even approach that what what do i even frame the the conversation as yeah 601 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:23,920 it just and yeah it's so transparent i don't have an answer because i'm hearing that and 602 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,080 i'm like yeah that's okay that's okay i don't know i don't answer either but um you know 603 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,800 off the top of my head i mean it just needs to be some kind of i guess tallying initiative 604 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:40,280 to get people to understand the value of voting and what it does for their ecosystem and how 605 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,680 it benefits them maybe some easier way to vote i don't know i don't know what the process 606 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,400 is now um but right now it's just through snapshot they can present a snapshot and then 607 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:55,320 people vote is it a it's a full web3 process login with wallet right right you log in with 608 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,480 your metamask wallet and if you own the token then you can vote um but you're right the 609 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:05,320 education piece is lacking big time yeah that and then like kind of what i just mentioned 610 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,720 like that that process might seem super simple to us just how we say it it's just a snapshot 611 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:15,560 vote you say that to somebody like that's just a gamer that onboarded through their 612 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,760 friend that learned barely web3 to get on here and game they may hear that and be like 613 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,480 i don't know what that is and that's hard whereas things like warpcast have made it 614 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,080 easy in frames to just easy vote with something because it knows what token you have because 615 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,720 guess what you're logged into it with digital identity so those type of things like better 616 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:38,120 ui and stuff like that might help incentivize people to vote because you're putting it in 617 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,880 a place where it's easy and effortless to do so i don't know but that just depends on why 618 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,960 they're not voting again if somebody's not voting on it because they hate the dow then 619 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:51,800 i mean nothing you do yeah it's it's so widespread it's so varied like the dow just kind of came 620 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,360 out of nowhere there was no announcement about it there was no warning it was suddenly may 621 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:03,400 27th and it was we were just going along happy go lucky and then may 28th there's a dow and 622 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,880 there's three proposals we want you to vote on and and everyone was like whoa whoa whoa 623 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:14,720 whoa and and the proposals were 15 million dollar budget and approved the special counsel 624 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,240 and then approved the the dow foundation as a legal entity in the cayman islands and it 625 00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:23,280 was just like bam bam bam and some people were like whoa i don't even know i don't even 626 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,200 know what this is and and i was just one of the ones who just started googling and and 627 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:34,000 youtube and everything like what is a dow but how do you how do you participate in a 628 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,680 dow so so that's crazy so the dow thing got forced on y'all um some people would use the 629 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:44,360 word forced um the way they explained in the amas they being the special counsel and the 630 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:49,920 dow administrator who helped became a consultant kind of um explained as they've been working 631 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,480 on it for the past eight months um but they've been working on it in secret so they you know 632 00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,120 they didn't tell anyone about it and then it just was here's the dow ready made go vote 633 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,720 and then that's why you have half the people saying i don't i didn't participate in this 634 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:10,720 i didn't get consulted in this it's supposed to be for the community right the community 635 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:14,480 had nothing to do with the formulation of this thing so i'm not going to vote at all 636 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,800 that's like a segment of the the dow right there and then on top of that you have the 637 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:24,680 gamers who's like i'm not about to to dox myself in any way to participate in this i 638 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:31,200 just want to play the game it's it's crazy man but there's a lot of money at stake uh 639 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:37,600 like sandbox is owned by anamoka anamoka is the largest web 3 company in the world with 640 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:45,600 over 400 subsidiaries um it they're a mammoth and and they have the mocha reputation system 641 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,000 and now you've got the sandbox reputation system with the voting and the dow's and the 642 00:53:50,000 --> 00:54:00,200 proposals it's it's i'm just trying to keep up man yeah somehow the people that created 643 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,480 this just need to create a bridge of trust and communicate why this isn't the best interest 644 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,040 of everybody there you go that's what's got to happen and then like i said if you make 645 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:15,520 a system or integrate a system that's a little bit less invasive so i know that your ecosystem 646 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:21,440 has its way of doing kyc i think there are other ways to do kyc and create like um uh 647 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:26,380 what do you call it like the bab tokens or there's reputation tokens that can be done 648 00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:33,960 by a third party so a person is not necessarily kyc to the dow their kyc into a third party 649 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:40,480 that then gives them a token that certifies that they did kyc we know who they are in 650 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:46,760 the event of some criminal uh you know investigation there's an agreement that will release that 651 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:51,760 identity to a to a government entity but not just because we feel like it got you and then 652 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,840 that if it's sitting inside of an interoperable identity can then be used to move around and 653 00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:04,040 in in environments like like i said like warcats um and sorry i've got to actually hop on no 654 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,720 no i got you we i think we arrived at the end um the people who create the same mucks 655 00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:13,120 down need to create a bridge of trust i think is where we arrived toward toward the end 656 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:19,120 here well marcus thank you for your time man this this helped me out i know you and i we 657 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,360 we we had a way we wanted to approach it but we weren't really sure what the end result 658 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,320 looked like i think we got there right at the end is at this point i just need to further 659 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:32,040 the conversation like have people who know what they're doing in an in elder places and 660 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:37,480 then what does that mean for us in the dow here in sandbox thank you for your time thank 661 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,640 you for having me on i appreciate it right i look forward to being on tech talk yes sir 662 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,960 i look forward to having you on as well and i hope everybody stays tuned for that all 663 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:52,440 right marcus take care thank you 664 00:55:52,440 --> 00:56:04,160 well all right so that was an example of um planned improvisation marcus and i we i heard 665 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:11,480 marcus talk on on forbes the the forbes legacy pass holders i think was builder around three 666 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:23,160 or four and he was on with who were his cohorts it was chinsanity and g as us cad stojo i 667 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:28,920 hearts domain was part of that and when i hearts talked so marcus when he talked uh 668 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:34,560 he was very um eloquent and articulate in the way he talked about domains and identity 669 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:44,040 and it occurred to me as he was speaking sandbox has this issue uh this this dilemma in in 670 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:50,680 dealing with identity and how it relates to do you docs do not docs do you kyc which stands 671 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:56,400 for know your customer uk yb which is know your business in order to you know be eligible 672 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:06,480 for rewards or payments or to to receive money um all of these things are just kind of battling 673 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:12,160 it out uh the center stage and behind the curtains within the sandbox and the sandbox 674 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:18,320 dow which the sandbox style has only been in existence since may 28th and most people 675 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:25,600 didn't even know it was coming so we're grappling with the realities uh that marcus said and 676 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,360 some of the things he said that really really stood out i think at the very end there we 677 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:43,200 got right to where i wanted to be which was those those who it was when you go from you 678 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:49,420 know gaming to building economies and yet sue talks about this all the time that that 679 00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:56,600 web three is about building new ways of doing things building economies building what was 680 00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:04,080 was the way he said it it was he it was during his ted talk and during yet's ted talk he 681 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:09,960 talked about how web three was the building of new societies and new ways of doing things 682 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:16,480 and and that's what i heard marcus echo right here when we talked about anonymous anonymous 683 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:23,360 universe integration and the pros and cons of it um when you start building economies 684 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:29,000 that start generating revenue and wealth you start stepping into the real world and in 685 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,720 the real world people want to know who you are before they start handing you hundreds 686 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:41,160 of thousands and millions of dollars or millions of tokens like that's wealth stuff and that 687 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:50,160 starts bringing in families and success and goals you you gotta in some ways mature your 688 00:58:50,160 --> 00:59:00,960 your understanding or your your that was i just lost my camera but you've got to be able 689 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:11,560 to mature past just simply saying i'm anonymous and you can't know who i am it's good for 690 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:18,360 if you don't want to partake in a lot of these these things that like rewards and and being 691 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:25,080 the beneficiary of a lot of money or a proposal from the dowels but if you do want to get 692 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:32,560 involved in that we gotta know who you are and and where marcus said that there are ways 693 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,360 to kyc like the third parties that he mentioned at the end there maybe that's the way we do 694 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,360 it instead of show me your i your driver's license and people know where you live like 695 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:50,000 that's maybe that's a bridge too far um so this was a really good episode for me in terms 696 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:58,360 of how do i approach that what what do we do when it comes to how far do we take kyc 697 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:04,560 and kyb our proposal sip authors especially when they start wanting hundreds of thousands 698 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:12,140 of sand like a lot of the sips are one of my sips for um for revenue options to explore 699 01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:20,080 revenue is going to ask for a few hundred thousand sand to pay real professionals and 700 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:27,640 it's like fortune 500 companies to churn out plans that can make the dow money um some 701 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:33,440 lessons we learned from the eight coin dow to to dress that stuff now you know what what 702 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:40,840 is the degree of of of awareness do people need to have in my resume for that that's 703 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,380 the sort of stuff and questions that we're trying to grapple with because if you don't 704 01:00:45,380 --> 01:00:51,080 try and figure out now you will have to figure it out later it's just there's there's 15.5 705 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:59,840 million sand that the sandbox dow has 15.5 million sand and that's uh almost it's going 706 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:07,880 to be a yearly budget that the sandbox gives the sandbox dow so we got to be ready uh and 707 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:16,680 we've got to mature so i'll leave it there marcus marcus left with the people who created 708 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:22,040 this need to create a bridge of trust for the community and i think that's the right 709 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:29,220 answer the special counsel the advisory board the dow team need to create a bridge of trust 710 01:01:29,220 --> 01:01:38,360 because they started off with a surprise here's the dow on may 28th and five proposals that 711 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:47,800 need to be voted on um and they all passed they passed uh through a measure of people 712 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:55,080 were excited that there was a dow now associated with the sandbox but the skepticism and the 713 01:01:55,080 --> 01:02:00,300 backlash quickly followed and it still exists to this day a lot of it is still existing 714 01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:08,680 to this day the skepticism and the mistrust there's a lot of mistrust so so much of the 715 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:16,040 of this needs to be bridged and reconciled between the community and leadership so oh 716 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:25,040 looking in chat Ian the it guy thanks appreciate that uh said that the the sandbox have the 717 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:32,320 last say and and don't work every sip sandbox like uh get the sandbox like the red cross 718 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:40,160 oh right yeah yeah so um there there's definitely some some trust that needs to be built there 719 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:47,560 so we'll end it there uh let's get into the these right here are going to be i'm going 720 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:55,960 to be part of my upcoming episode on the sandbox ecosystem in the sand fam so this what is 721 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,720 sandbox i covered just the other day when i talked about the delegation system that 722 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:05,920 arrived that was podcast number 28 and then sandbox layers i have a upgraded version of 723 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:15,200 this when i i do my next podcast about sand famine ecosystem so for future episodes the 724 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:20,960 the very next one i have is to shea on tuesday so we confirmed that last night we we got 725 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:31,960 the right now i think 1718 up votes and yeah so to shea is on tuesday talking about a sandbox 726 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:37,800 studio perspective and then after that a few days later i'll go over the sand fam and the 727 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,200 sandbox ecosystem that one's going to be very data driven i have a lot of flow charts whereas 728 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:47,960 to shea will be the conversation to shea almost needs no introduction if you've been in sandbox 729 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:55,800 community um beto said looking forward for the next one absolutely thanks for for joining 730 01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:06,880 us in the chat beto's appreciate you with that we will sandbox spaces discord dhal forums 731 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:13,360 twitter there's mocha verse on mondays pulls on the block on saturdays coffee with captain 732 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:18,040 monday through friday well members natively digital on tuesdays they just launched their 733 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:23,640 dhal go check them out because big things are happening in well members it's one of 734 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:31,040 the largest nft collection folders of all time uh well members is what they're called 735 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:36,200 and and you know them uh by their moniker whale vault um that that's when you look at 736 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:42,240 their collection on open sea or go to a whale dot me and then last one is sand fam cafe 737 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:51,200 which is done monthly uh pickaxe master that was he's the podcast host and that was sandal 738 01:04:51,200 --> 01:05:02,120 podcast number 17 done in august we interviewed bruno also known as pickaxe master thank you 739 01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:07,880 all for your time thank you for your attention this was a really cool episode on the identity 740 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:14,240 for web 3 and the and how we can apply that to the sandbox style and the metaverse thank 741 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:21,760 you have a great day