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Hello everyone, Sandel Podcast number 28.

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Today we're going to be going over delegates and delegations.

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They have arrived in the sandbox DAO.

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I have read through everything that I possibly can on the subject to include videos, to learn

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more about delegations, delegates, how they worked.

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We interviewed previously a delegation, Bulls on the Block, also Mocha CN, so I'm not going

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into this blind.

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However, the actual act of delegating, delegation, delegates, we'll get into that, the definitions

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and everything else that's going on.

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And special shout out to Mark, who is in the chat.

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We interviewed him for the Sandbox Ambassador Program, which was, what was that?

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That was SIP number 11 and that passed.

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So Mark said, just received half of the first month's fund last week, a bit busy doing preparation

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right now.

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Excellent.

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And if you don't know, the Sandbox Academy, the Sandbox Academy in the Philippines, which

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was SIP 12, is all about an education and going around different universities, teaching

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people, college students about the sandbox game maker, VoxEdit, to teach them how to

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be involved as game makers and box editors for the community.

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So that's really awesome.

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And I'm wishing him all the success in the world.

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Check that out.

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Podcasts, I think it was 18.

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So today, delegates and delegations.

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That's what we're going over.

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So the scope of the talk today, it's going to be a news update.

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It's also going to be a little bit of an opinion piece.

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I had opinions and thoughts as I read through the news of the delegate system having now

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started to be implemented in the sandbox DAO.

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Disclaimer, I do not represent the sandbox game or the sandbox foundation, which is the

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DAO.

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I am not your financial or legal advisor.

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Nothing that saves to be taken as financial or legal advice.

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When I say the word SIP, I mean sandbox improvement proposal.

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When I say the word DAO, I mean decentralized autonomous organization.

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SanFam is everyone in the sandbox community to include the gamers, the creators, the landowners,

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the token holders and more, as I'll show you in a slide later.

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Then the system that allows one voter to transfer their voting power to another delegate, those

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you transfer your voting power to for the scoreboard.

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SIPs 14 and 15 are on the voting block.

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Please go vote.

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They both end in how many hours?

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Five hours from now.

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Please go vote.

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One of them is mine and I really want to resize my windows so that I can have some reasonable

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window management when I create in the sandbox and I'm minting stuff and all sorts of things

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or resolution options within the VoxEdit or the GameMaker.

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Being able to resize things when I'm using Magic Palette as Pepe mentioned earlier today

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in a tweet response.

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So please go vote.

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Vote SIP 15 and 14.

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15 is the Metaverse and Disability Hiring Program.

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14 is the Window Resizing and Resolution Options in the Game Client, VoxEdit, Launcher and

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the GameMaker.

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So those two are up for voting and they will be closing in about five hours.

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The checkbook we have spent of our 15.5 million sand, 2.3 million, which is 15% of the budget

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so far.

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Dowbase we are now up to 211,000 token holders and we have about 2200 voters within the Dow.

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13 proposals so far and as a collective we have casted 9,207 votes for Dowbase.ai.

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My name is Lancer.

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I am the Sandal podcast host.

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I am a SandVAM community member since 2021 and I'm president of MetaWorld.

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We've published two experiences, Floor Droppers and, and I forget my own experiences.

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Floor Droppers and Lava Defense.

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So we did it for Builders Challenge and GameMaker Fund.

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And I'm a landowner, avatar owner.

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I'm a mocha.

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I'm an ape.

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I'm open campus and two other things.

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But I'm most important is I'm a very passionate SandFam member because the Dow to me represents

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the intersection of community, gaming and business.

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And I love all three of those things.

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So something I'll be doing in a future podcast is the SandFam and the Sandbox ecosystem.

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Here's one slide I just did this past week toward that podcast, which is upcoming in

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the next few weeks probably.

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But what is the Sandbox?

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A little quick primer.

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It started in 2012 as a mobile game and it transformed into a metaverse ecosystem since

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about 2018 and it switched from mobile to PC gaming.

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And it is a convergence of products, people and purpose.

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That's what creates the Sandbox ecosystem.

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And I'll be going into depth a little bit more later on in another podcast.

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So the road to Dow.

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It's been a while since I've shown this slide, but I've been keeping it up to date just to

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keep track of everything that's been happening.

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The Dow was originally announced May 28th and since then it went through a number of

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SIP submissions and votes.

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And as of right now, we have nine SIPs that have been approved, 13 have not been approved

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and one has withdrawn.

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So that's 13 SIPs total that we have gone through since May 28th.

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And that's basically all of these things here.

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Lots of AMAs, lots of different spaces you can look at.

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NFC Lisbon with Seb and Cyril, the AMA between Meabow and Seb, Sand Cafe with a bunch of

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community members.

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And then fast forward to today's episode, in September 10th, that's when the Sandbox

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Dow, Cyril from the Dow team or Geraldine from the Dow team opened up delegation applications.

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So we're going to be deep diving into that.

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So for the discussion, we're going to go through five things.

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The form announcement, the application link, the interview by the Dow team and the delegation

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dashboard ended by a dive into the code of conduct.

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So form post.

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So as I mentioned on, link it here.

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So on September 10th, Geraldine posted, become a delegate for the Sandbox Dow, shape our

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future and a nice post.

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It basically talks about what is a delegate, why become a delegate, how to apply.

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It gives a, it gives a process for applying.

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And then some details about the FAQ and looking forward applications.

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So that form post, what is a delegate?

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It's a voter who votes on behalf of the community members that delegate voting power to them.

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Why become a delegate?

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And the three things that it goes into detail here, you can read a little bit more for yourself,

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is influence, recognition and community.

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Then how do you apply?

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There's an application process you go through, which we will go through in depth.

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There is a code of conduct that you must review.

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And then there is an interview process after that.

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So that's, that's basically the form post.

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And then later on, there's, there's a little bit of back and forth and the community discussion

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between myself, Geraldine, KCL, Crypto Sheep, Takeout Sky, a number of community members

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make it clear if they're voting or if, or excuse me, if they're applying or what their

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thoughts are.

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So the, one of the main parts of the post is the application link and that application

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link follows, this will help go into a little later, but the application link here is basically

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what you see.

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What is your username on the sandbox?

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Dow discourse.

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So you would type your username, then which country are you based in?

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You type in whatever country you're from.

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Question number three is what is your ENS address?

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And it says while an ENS address is not required to apply, it will be required to become a

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delegate and will be displayed on the dashboard of verified delegates.

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So ENS, if you don't know, is a website and it, it basically gives you like usernames

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for a lot of crypto things.

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So for instance, you can have sandboxdow.eth and when you type that into ETH scan, it will

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shortcut to a wallet.

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So here you can click in, let's say sandboxdow.eth and then you can buy it just like you would

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buy a domain.

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But as you can see here, it's already registered to sandboxdow and Arasakio, which is the consulting

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company that Serial is the founder of and expires in two years.

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And it's, it's owned by this wallet.

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So what is your ENS, ENS address?

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We just put sandboxdow.eth.

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What ETH address will you be using to vote?

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If you have an E, ENS address, your ETH address should be linked to it.

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So this is where you put whatever your wallet is.

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Question five, what motivates you to pursue the role of a delegate and how do you envision

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contributing to the community in this capacity?

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This is where you would talk about why do you want to be a delegate?

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I want to be a delegate because I'm passionate about the community and want to increase voter

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participation.

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All right, next question.

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What are your Web3 interests?

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And here you can list off things that you're interested in.

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For instance, staking or land ownership or creating experiences in GameMaker or creating

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NFTs using VoxEdit.

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Whatever your, whatever your interest is.

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Do you have any Web3 qualifications?

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Let's say you are a Voxel editor or a GameMaker or a graphic designer or a podcast host or

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a previous delegate for XYZDAO.

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Do you have any experience in voting or decision making processes within decentralized organizations?

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Or blockchain communities?

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That's question number eight.

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You select yes or no.

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Question nine, list any relevant skills or expertise that makes you a suitable candidate

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for a delegate position within the sandbox DAO.

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For example, blockchain knowledge, governance, leadership, communication, critical thinking.

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So here you could say, I have great critical thinking skills.

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Maybe.

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No, no, definitely.

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Question 10, I am willing and able to participate in the governments of the upcoming DAO.

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I understand this is an ongoing role that requires active participation.

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You can select yes or no.

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Question 11, I understand that delegates are unpaid volunteers.

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Being a delegate does not qualify me for immediate payment and tokens.

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Select yes or no.

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I understand that becoming a delegate is a significant commitment.

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Select yes or no.

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And by the way, you can select no and it will let you keep going.

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Question 13, do you have any conflicts of interest that might affect your ability to

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serve as a delegate for sandbox DAO?

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Pay special attention to this because it's very robustly defined in the code of conduct

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and part of my analysis mainly centers around how all of those things are worded.

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So delegates must declare if they or someone with a close personal professional relationship

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is the author of a SIP.

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Additionally, they must disclose any relationships that could pose a potential or that could

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pose a conflict of interest in the decision making process.

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So you would select yes or no to that question.

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If you select no, your next question will be, is there anything else you'd like us

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to know about your candidacy for the sandbox DAO delegate?

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If you select yes, it will ask you, can you explain what is your conflict of interest?

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And you might say, I am a landowner.

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No, no, no, no, no, here's one.

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I have submitted a SIP or plan to submit a SIP.

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That would be a conflict of interest for some of the rules that are described in the code

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of conduct.

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There as you'll see in a question or two here, question 15, is there anything else you'd

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like us to know about your candidacy for the DAO delegate?

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I love the sandbox and the sandbox DAO.

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That would be my answer.

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So question number 16, I declare that that information provided is true and correct to

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the best of my knowledge.

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Select yes or no.

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17, I agree to abide by the rules and code of conduct set for the delegates of the sandbox

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DAO as a link to the code of conduct, which we'll go into more depth later.

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Select yes or no.

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Your ex slash Twitter link.

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So you put in twitter.com slash whatever it is your Twitter handle is.

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Oh, yes, you need WWW in front of that.

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Maybe you need HTTPS front of it.

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There you go.

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And then you upload your avatar that you want displayed on the dashboard.

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Hit submit and then you have officially applied to be a delegate.

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So all in all, there are 19 questions for you to answer.

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And most of them center around resume items, your list, your qualifications, list your

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skills.

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What have you done before in the Web3 world?

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Do you understand this is an unpaid volunteer ship position?

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Do you understand this is a significant commitment that there are conflict?

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Do you have any conflict of interest?

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That sort of thing.

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A lot of who, what, when, where, why questions.

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Okay, so once you submit your application, then you wait.

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You wait for the sandbox DAO to email you or contact you saying we want to interview

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you.

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And once that interview, oops, I forgot to finish the whole slide.

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But once that interview happens, as I was interviewed about a week ago, maybe a few

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days ago, the sandbox DAO team, I got on a call with them and then they asked me some

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reinforcing questions about who I am, what I'm wanting to do as a delegate.

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How do I want to exercise my delegate power and why do I want to be a delegate?

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A lot of questions just for them to get to know you a little bit better.

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And one thing that was of note is that the DAO team received many applications for delegations,

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for delegates.

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And it seemed like they received a lot more than they expected.

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So this might take quite some time for them to interview everyone.

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And a lot of people submitted applications who were previously unknown to the DAO, who

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might have been significant landowners, but have not really participated in the DAO forums.

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So there's going to be some time that's going to take for the DAO team to fully become aware

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and familiar with all of the DAO applicants so that they can then move them on to phase

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two, which is like a downward selection of the application pool into who will eventually

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be selected to be a delegate.

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All right, now once that happens, you'll be listed on the delegate dashboard if you are

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accepted.

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And the delegate dashboard right now is blank.

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Looks like this.

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You go to the delegate dashboard and become a delegate.

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And then here, no verified delegates yet.

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But eventually when delegates are approved, they'll show up here.

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And below that are the delegation FAQs.

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Some of these things are pretty standard.

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Like what does a delegation mean?

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What happens to my tokens when I delegate?

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Who can I choose as my delegate?

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Is there any impact to becoming a delegate?

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Are there any costs to delegating?

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Such as on-chain gas fees.

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The answer is yes to that.

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Is delegating my voting power compulsory?

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What's the criteria to be showcased on the sandbox DAO delegates dashboard?

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How can I change my delegate?

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Can I override my delegates vote?

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Yes, you can.

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Can I delegate to more than one wallet?

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Why am I unable to delegate?

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Do delegates receive any compensation?

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No, they don't.

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Can I update my delegate profile?

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Why was delegation not presented as a SIP?

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The answer to that was delegation was implemented as a necessary solution to improve participation

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and governance and implemented at the discretion of the administrator using the operation budget

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and to maximize speed to market.

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And it did not require a SIP for approval.

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So the DAO administrator decided that it didn't need to be a SIP.

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If you have any questions, you can click here and go to the board where we'll eventually

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can lead you to the form post that we showed earlier.

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So that's the delegate dashboard.

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Eventually you'll be able to delegate there via the big delegate button.

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You'll see the verified delegation or the delegate list and then you can read the FAQs.

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So now we get into the meat of it, the code of conduct.

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So in the application, you saw the link to the code of conduct and the question that

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it wanted to ask you was if you agree yes or no to abide by the rules and code of conduct

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set for the delegates of the sandbox DAO.

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The code of conduct is separated into eight sections.

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Section one is commitment to the network's best interest.

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Section two is active participation in governance.

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Section three is transparency and communication.

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Section four is civility and professionalism.

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Section five is conflict of interest.

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Section six, anti-lobbing and influence protections.

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Section seven, adherence to the spirit of the code of conduct.

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And eight, optional participation and accountability.

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So here it is.

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It is not too long.

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There's quite a bit of depth to it, but it's not that long.

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So what I did is I already went through it and noted some of the things that were interesting

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to me.

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So what we'll do is I'll scroll through, some of it is pretty standard, but I'll scroll

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through and go to the sections that were most interesting to me.

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So general code of conduct.

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It opens with an all interactions, each member of the sandbox DAO should agree to and abide

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by the sandbox DAO terms of use.

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Be respectful to other community members.

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There is a zero tolerance policy for any form of discrimination or hate speech.

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I think maybe this is just maybe a language barrier because the DAO team is multilingual,

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but also mostly based in France.

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So my background, as I should have mentioned in my introduction as Lanser, my professional

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background is in contract writing, proposal writing and contract negotiation.

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So I have a professional expertise in the formulation of contracts and things that are

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how to enforce contracts, like the exchange of goods and services for money and inputting

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legal contract clauses that you can then enforce to ensure that what you pay for is what you

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get.

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And so I have that background and in interpreting a lot of this legalese, I'm not a lawyer,

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so I don't have, I didn't pass the bar exam.

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I'm a contract writer and a contract negotiator.

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And I also have done quite a bit of proposal writing.

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So that's, so I've been doing that for over 10 years at this point.

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So the word, use the word should and shall, those things mean quite a bit, especially

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when you start talking about terms of use and codes of conduct.

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And so in the beginning here, it just starts off each member of the sandbox DAO should,

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and then it starts talking about should agree to and abide by the terms of use.

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But looking into the terms of use, it's not very optional.

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And then it says there is a zero tolerance policy for any form of discrimination or hate

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speech.

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So that's something you would put under a should category.

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It's much more authoritative to say you will not do that.

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So the DAO members shouldn't, you know, have a zero tolerance policy or shouldn't decide

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whether or not they want to elect to be respectful of other community members.

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I'm quite sure the DAO team means that this is what you will do as someone who is abiding

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by the terms of use.

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And so that's an interesting thing to start off with, but it gets more interesting after

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that.

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So, so for the code of conduct, let's start with the very first part, which is down under

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code of conduct here.

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It talks about how each member of the DAO special council shall, I think they mean each

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member of the sandbox DAO delegate.

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I don't think they mean special counsel there.

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I think it's just kind of a copy paste thing.

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So yeah, I'm pretty sure they mean delegate shall commit to serving adhere to the highest

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ethical standards abide by the general community code of conduct.

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Again that shall statement is pretty important up there at the top and you'll see why later

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disclose any conflict of interest, maintain confidentiality in case of dispute, disagreement,

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strive for resolution and maintain active and transparent communication with the DAO

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community.

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So those are fairly standard things to expect to read for something like a code of conduct.

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And the next section was delegates code of conduct.

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And it talks about how it values the principles of transparency, accountability, integrity

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in its governance process and to ensure that delegates act in the best interests of the

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community and the ecosystem.

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We established this delegate code of conduct.

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I opting into this code delegates commit to upholding the highest standard of behavior

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and responsibility.

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So section one, the commitment to the network's best interest under primary responsibility.

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So the very first thing I know appear is under the primary responsibility, delegates must

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prioritize the long term success and development of the sandbox ecosystem.

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Decisions should reflect the broader community's interest aiming to enhance, sustain, enhance

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the sustainability, security and growth of the platform.

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So the thing that I noted was that it said delegates must prioritize the long term success

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and that decisions should reflect the broader community interests.

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And I'm not sure how familiar people are with delegations and delegates.

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Most delegates that I've seen in a few other DAOs that I've been keeping track of up until

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this point, like ApecoinDAO, MakerDAO, CompoundDAO, Citidao, which is no longer in the network.

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It's no longer active.

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A few other DAOs, MochaDAO now.

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Most delegations, most delegates, they have a focus.

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They have a niche.

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So for instance, MochaCN, who we interviewed for, let's look at that, it was interviewed

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MochaCN, old one from MochaCN, episode six.

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So check that out, Sandow Podcast episode six.

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They are the largest Mocha delegate within the Mochaverse.

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And they also, OldOne, who is one of the co-founders of MochaCN, he is also connected to the sandbox

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through Lululand.

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So very well known developer for the sandbox is OldOne.

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But MochaCN stands for Mocha Chinese Community.

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So where were we?

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Interview, out of conduct.

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Okay, so there we go.

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So MochaCN is all about the Mochaverse Chinese community.

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So they're Chinese speakers and they are Chinese affiliated and associated and Chinese voters.

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They have things that are important to them.

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And as you heard in Sandow Podcast six, we go into depth into what the MochaCN community

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values.

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All right, so they're not necessarily inherently focusing on the broader community's interests.

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They're focused on MochaCN's interests.

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That's why they're the MochaCN delegate.

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So it's kind of interesting, it kind of brings up a sort of a conflict or contradiction there

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that the delegates are supposed to be looking at the long term success, which long term

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success is very, very broadly defined.

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And it's not obvious why MochaCN or Bulls on the Block or Mochaverse or ApecoinDAO delegates

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should focus on the long term success for the sandbox DAO.

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Not really sure why they should do that.

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Some of them, I mean, what's wrong with the short term success for the MochaCN?

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I'm not really sure.

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But that stuck out to me as being the delegates must prioritize long term.

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What does that look like?

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What does it mean to prioritize it over the short term success?

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Unclear and the Code of Conduct doesn't really say.

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So the decisions should reflect the broader community interests.

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And as you mentioned, as I mentioned, a lot of the delegates have a focus.

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So Bulls on the Block, they own a six by six in the sandbox ecosystem and they are very

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heavily focused on Apecoin.

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And within the sandbox, they're focused on creatorship and what they call Bulls, their

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members are interested in.

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And we interviewed Bulls on the Block episode seven.

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So right after we interviewed MochaCN in episode six.

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So Bulls on the Block is has already been applied to be a delegate.

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I am probably assume that MochaCN also applied to be a delegate already.

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Unsure as of yet, but we know Crypto Sheep from MochaCN definitely applied.

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So what does it mean for Bulls on the Block to must prioritize long term success and reflect

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the broader community interests?

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Does broader mean outsiders in the Block?

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That's what it kind of insinuates.

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And it's not really clear to me why that should be true or why that's reasonable to expect

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of a delegation who is there to represent the interests of their delegates.

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That's why they are delegated votes.

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So that's the very first thing I noticed under the primary responsibility.

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So moving on down the line, when we start talking about the good faith and the avoidance

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of excessive delegation.

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So for the avoidance of excessive delegation, I think I put here, under avoidance of excessive

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delegation, it says that delegates are discouraged from encouraging excessive voting power delegation

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to avoid undue influence or manipulation of the governance process.

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I don't know what they mean by discouraged from encouraging excessive voting power delegation.

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That meaning is very unclear.

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What's an example of excessive voting power delegation?

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I'm not sure.

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I responded back into the Dow post.

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If the, what was it here?

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If the Dow team could explain a little bit what that means.

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So awaiting a response back from them.

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But in the meantime, it's unclear and the code of conduct doesn't explain, neither

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does the FAQ.

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Okay.

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So, the good faith thing.

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Yep.

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That sounds fine.

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Section two, active participation in governance.

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So the voting obligation is the next thing I noted.

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Delegates are expected to participate actively in the governance process by voting on all

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proposals and interacting with the community on the dedicated SIP threads.

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This ensures that the voting power entrusted them is used effectively.

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So the words I mentioned there was participate actively.

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And this pairs with below where it says diligent review.

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Prior to voting, delegates must conduct a thorough, selfless, and unbiased review of

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each proposal, ensuring decisions are made with full understanding of the potential impacts.

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So the things I noted there was thorough in each proposal.

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So there's kind of like a dual thing going on here.

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Then it goes on to say under constructive feedback, delegates should provide feedback

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that is well researched, supported by evidence, and devoid of personal attacks.

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And under rationale for votes, delegates must communicate reasoning behind their voting

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decisions.

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This is awesome.

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I am very happy to see this.

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Because as I'm watching things going on in 8coinDAO, let me start over.

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I'm going to start over.

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So with those four sections that I noted, participate actively, be thorough, review

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each proposal.

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Delegates should be well researched and supported by evidence.

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Communicate your reasoning behind your voting decisions.

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This is a very, very interesting requirement.

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And I think it's going to benefit the DAO.

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I'm very happy to see this.

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When I was watching a podcast not long ago, it's called Down the Rabbit Hole podcast,

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and they were interviewing different DAO people.

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So people from Compound DAO and from other DAOs.

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And the Compound DAO representative said that 75% of all Compound delegates have never voted

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on an on-chain proposal.

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And that was fascinating for me to hear.

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And that goes very well in line with what Mia Bao said when she interviewed Seb, that

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after delegations are implemented, I think it was something of like there was an 80,

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85% increase in voter participation after that.

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I forgot to put that here, but that was only done about a month ago.

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And I did a reaction video to that.

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And that was Sandel podcast number 20.

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A reaction.

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Oh no, excuse me.

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Sandel podcast number 19.

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Going to the AMA with Mia Bao and Seb Bourget.

478
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:24,280
So there, there was a really, really interesting, Mia Bao is the co-founder of DAObase, one

479
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,760
of the slides I mentioned earlier that has a lot of analytics on over 160,000 DAOs, including

480
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,920
ours, the Sandbox DAO.

481
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:40,240
So Mia Bao interviewed Seb Bourget, who is the co-founder of the Sandbox.

482
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:44,720
And in it, she said after delegations, it was toward two thirds of the way through,

483
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:52,360
after delegations are implemented, there is a marked significant increase in voter participation.

484
00:36:52,360 --> 00:37:00,840
So the fact that the DAO code of conduct is requiring that delegates be more actively

485
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,800
participative, that is awesome.

486
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,360
I think that's going to highly benefit the DAO and I commend them for having that in

487
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,360
there.

488
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,400
All right.

489
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,720
Some other things that happen is happening is if you're keeping track of what's going

490
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:23,160
on in the Apecoin DAO, Aaron Haber, who is a, he proposed the Laughing Ape AIP, I believe

491
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,720
that one did pass.

492
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:31,720
And so he's a background comedian and also in APEU, he recently launched a podcast called

493
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:33,880
Delegate This.

494
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:43,720
And he launched that due to the lack of delegate feedback that AIP authors were receiving.

495
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:50,840
So in the AIP process, just like in the SIP process, you submit your AIP and it goes to

496
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,560
vote and then everyone votes on your proposal.

497
00:37:53,560 --> 00:38:01,440
Well, in Apecoin DAO, there are hundreds, hundreds of voters and very little voting

498
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,440
feedback.

499
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:13,720
They vote on this quite often, as do others within the Apecoin DAO communication channels

500
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:20,480
and mentions that would really be cool if voters got more feedback so they can make

501
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,000
their proposal stronger.

502
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,520
While Aaron Haber came up with the, in partnership with the Apecoin Governance Working Group

503
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:35,680
to launch Delegate This, which fosters communication between the delegates and the voters and the

504
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,120
AIP authors.

505
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,960
So really, really cool.

506
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,320
I've been following that pretty closely because that has direct implications on the sandbox

507
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,920
DAO and some model, I think for the, for our community and SanFam.

508
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:58,960
And so you can see that as a sandbox, it's struggled to meet quorum and as an SIP author

509
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,920
myself, where I have a SIP that's going to close in about four hours, I have, I don't

510
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,920
think we have not reached 30 million quorum and I've received some feedback, but not much.

511
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:16,320
And that's mostly because I have sought out all the feedback from people in the SanFam

512
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,920
and most of them are really supportive, but ultimately we have not been able to garner

513
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:25,160
the support of landowners to reset 30 million quorum as of yet.

514
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:31,040
So we're still contacting SIP authors, excuse me, landowners to reach quorum as best we

515
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:37,360
can and us and Meta Futura, which are, we're in the same SIP cohort.

516
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,200
We are, we're trying to get that done in the next few hours.

517
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,840
So we're struggling just like everyone else and, and we could also do with more feedback

518
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,120
from, from authors.

519
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,480
So the fact that this is part of the code of conduct from the outset, I think it's a

520
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,960
great thing.

521
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,600
Okay.

522
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,400
Let's keep going.

523
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,680
Disclosure of conflicts.

524
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,000
So this is where it really starts to get, where some of my critique really starts to

525
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,880
come through.

526
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:14,840
So under, under section three, transparency and communication, we're talking about the

527
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,880
rationale for votes delegates, or we just went over that delegates must communicate

528
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,840
the reasoning under availability delegates must should be reasonably accessible under

529
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,800
notification determination.

530
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,280
Delegates entail a step down from the role from their role must notify the community

531
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,100
section for civility and professionalism under respectful conduct delegates must foster a

532
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:40,800
safe welcoming harassment free environment under prohibited behaviors, unacceptable behaviors

533
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,040
such as harassment and the like are, are not tolerated and for constructive feedback delegates

534
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:53,720
to provide feedback that is well researched, supported by evidence.

535
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:59,320
And that's the part I just gave them kudos on.

536
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,440
So that was section three and section four of the code of conduct.

537
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,320
Then we get to section five conflict of interest.

538
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,360
And this is where I think some of the major loopholes start to really show themselves

539
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,760
or the contradictions where I think could be really improved in the language.

540
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:24,200
So conflict of interest is broken down into three, three parts as is as is section six.

541
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,960
They're very closely aligned.

542
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,360
Section five has SIP authorship and relationships where delegates must forfeit their ability

543
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:36,560
to propose a SIP disclosure of conflict says delegates must avoid conflicts of interest

544
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,460
and declare someone with a close personal or professional relationship is the author

545
00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:46,120
of an SIP or stands to gain personal benefit from their voting actions.

546
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:51,400
Any actual or potential conflicts must be disclosed to the community promptly.

547
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,400
The delegates are required to not vote on any proposal where a conflict of interest

548
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,400
exists.

549
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,200
The next section is transparency and conflicts.

550
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,840
Even potential conflicts should be disclosed ensuring that all governance activities are

551
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,640
conducted without bias or personal gain influencing decisions.

552
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,280
Delegates are also required to not vote on any proposal where a personal or potential

553
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,240
conflict of interest exists.

554
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:23,960
All right, I'm going to go into section six because they're very similar.

555
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,480
Disclosure lobbying and influence protections.

556
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,920
The first part of that section is lobbying disclosure to protect the integrity of the

557
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,840
decision making process.

558
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:38,600
Delegates must disclose any lobbying efforts directed toward them that could influence

559
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,720
their voting decisions.

560
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,800
This includes any form of communication or pressure from external parties.

561
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Abstention in case of influence is the next part.

562
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,400
If a delegate feels that lobbying or undo influence has compromised their impartiality,

563
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,800
they are required to abstain from voting on the relevant proposal.

564
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,720
And the final part is transparency and communications.

565
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,680
All communications that may influence a delegate's vote should be logged and disclosed to the

566
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,680
community.

567
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:13,120
This ensures full transparency and reduces the risk of hidden lobbying efforts.

568
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,960
So on the surface, this appears great.

569
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:24,280
It's detailing protections for the community, things like undisclosed payments or behind

570
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,880
the scenes efforts that aren't transparent.

571
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,360
A lot of goodness.

572
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,360
However, if you're thinking to yourself, there were quite a few contradictions or this was

573
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:42,720
really broadly worded so that massive loopholes could be exploited by people in positions

574
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:48,800
of power or it could be used as a weapon against the community, I think you're right.

575
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:57,400
I think there are really, really broadly worded sentences in here that could be used aggressively

576
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:03,680
by enforcers within the Dow team or the special counsel or anyone in a position of power against

577
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,200
the community for many different reasons.

578
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,280
And we'll go over one such scenario later on.

579
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,200
So here are the highlights.

580
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:23,840
So in section five, under disclosure of conflicts, delegates are required to not vote on any

581
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,420
proposal where a conflict of interest exists.

582
00:44:28,420 --> 00:44:33,840
This is in parallel, this pairs nicely with in the transparency and conflict section where

583
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:44,920
it says delegates are also required to not vote on any proposal where a potential conflict

584
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,460
of interest exists.

585
00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:47,960
Those words are very important.

586
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,520
So it's not only saying that you're required to not vote on any proposal where a conflict

587
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,900
of interest definitely exists.

588
00:44:54,900 --> 00:45:00,940
You're also required to not vote on any proposal where a potential conflict of interest exists.

589
00:45:00,940 --> 00:45:02,080
And that is huge.

590
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:08,680
And here's why the ecosystem within the sandbox is very highly interconnected with many, many

591
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:14,360
different businesses, DOWs, advocacy groups.

592
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:21,400
Seb has done a wonderful job connecting, networking with the Web3 community.

593
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:27,680
The sandbox is owned by Animoca Brands, one of the largest Web3 communities and companies

594
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:34,440
on the planet, which itself has a DOW, which itself votes within the sandbox and the sandbox

595
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,000
votes in the Mochaverse DOW.

596
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,160
And it votes in the Apecoin DOW and people in the Apecoin DOW vote in the sandbox DOW

597
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,180
and the Mochaverse DOW.

598
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:46,500
This huge interconnectivity going on.

599
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:53,720
So conflicts of interest exist all over the place already by default.

600
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:58,560
No conflict of interest probably exists with almost everyone.

601
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,360
That's strongly worded, but I'm pretty sure I'm not far off.

602
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:07,000
Most people are involved in multiple delegates, delegations.

603
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,520
Most people are involved in multiple communities.

604
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,600
Most people know many other people who then themselves are going to be involved in the

605
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,280
delegate system within the sandbox.

606
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,260
It's all over the place.

607
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:27,480
So my, my thought here was if this is interpreted as the entire delegation cannot vote, we're

608
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,600
going to need some major further discussion and refinement because some of these delegations

609
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,560
have thousands of members already.

610
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:43,840
WellVault, for instance, it has over a thousand lands, seven million voting power within the

611
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,120
sandbox right now.

612
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,240
It has 15,000 members.

613
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:57,480
Do you think WellVault has the ability to police or have full recognition of 15,000

614
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,680
people?

615
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:05,040
Most people who delegate, as we're finding out with Apecoin DOW, forget they delegate.

616
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,680
They don't even know they're delegated after a certain amount of time.

617
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:15,640
And so it's very easy to lose track of your delegate, who you've delegated to.

618
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,640
And that is just, that creates a perfect storm of people who unwittingly have a conflict

619
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,560
of interest and don't know it, both the voter and the delegate, both the delegate and the

620
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,400
delegat-y and the delegation.

621
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:38,280
The whole thing is just rife with, it's too easy to not see this from many points of view.

622
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:45,320
The mochaverse, the mochaverse has over a million people, a million members.

623
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:55,240
There is no way that you can reasonably expect the mochaverse delegate to be able to know

624
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:58,280
where a potential conflict of interest exists.

625
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,960
A million people?

626
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,000
That's unreasonable to expect.

627
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,680
Bulls on the Block, let's just make it local.

628
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,200
Bulls on the Block, a very active delegation, has over a hundred members.

629
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,480
They are constantly involved and they're very well networked because they have put in the

630
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,800
time and effort, Anthony and Crypto Sheep and the rest of the Bull Council and the Bear

631
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:24,080
Council has put in a lot of effort to be involved in their communities.

632
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:34,080
And Apecoin, New Campus, Open Campus, Mochaverse, Sandbox, just their hundred members alone,

633
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:40,600
trying to police a hundred members, fifteen thousand members, a million members.

634
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:47,900
I think it needs more refinement on this big, huge, broad language that is so open to interpretation

635
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:53,900
it can be used on anyone by someone who's looking to, who has an axe to grind or who

636
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:56,320
is resentful of someone else.

637
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,520
It's just too, too easy to abuse this power.

638
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,800
Whoever isn't using it to enforce the code of conduct on someone else.

639
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,920
So my recommendation is, limit it to just the delegation leaders.

640
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:16,440
Just the council, so the Bulls on the Block Council, just five or six of them, right?

641
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,000
It's much easier to police that.

642
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,320
And it's much more reasonable to police that.

643
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,760
For Mochaverse, the special council of the Mochaverse, whatever that may be.

644
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,400
The whale vault, the special council of the whale vault, or the leaders of the whale vault,

645
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,800
there's I think nine of them.

646
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:39,880
It's much more reasonable and much more in line with the intent and the spirit of this

647
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:47,440
where the people who wield the voting power should be the ones that you expect to police

648
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:53,320
conflicts of interest between themselves and the people that they are voting on.

649
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,500
Because they already have to, as we discovered in the previous section, they already have

650
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:04,760
to thoroughly, selflessly, and unbiased review of every proposal.

651
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,760
So they'll have done their due diligence by that point.

652
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,520
But you can't expect them to do the due diligence and the connections of a million people within

653
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,280
their delegation and a SIP author.

654
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:23,320
There's just too much anonymity for that to be reasonable.

655
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:28,340
So my recommendation, limit this to just the delegation leaders.

656
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:31,160
Just the delegates, not the members.

657
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:38,400
All right, so the next part, and here's where a contradiction really inserts itself.

658
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,180
And I read it a little bit earlier up top.

659
00:50:40,180 --> 00:50:45,900
It started with each member of the sandbox, DAO, it says special council, I'm pretty sure

660
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:51,600
they meant sandbox DAO delegate, Xiao.

661
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,680
And it says commit, adhere, abide, maintain all these sorts of things.

662
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:08,560
So within section five, disclosure of conflicts and transparency and conflicts, you start

663
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,520
to see this dual contradiction emerge.

664
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:19,680
Under disclosure of conflicts, it says any actual or potential conflicts must be disclosed.

665
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,960
The keywords there, actual or potential conflicts.

666
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:29,240
And in transparency and conflicts, it says even potential conflicts should be disclosed.

667
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:32,140
That's a contradiction from what I'm reading.

668
00:51:32,140 --> 00:51:41,200
If you're saying that for the disclosure portion, any actual or potential conflicts must be disclosed.

669
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,720
And then in transparency and conflicts, you're seeing even potential conflicts should be

670
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:47,080
disclosed.

671
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,200
Don't use the word should, because you're saying on the one hand, potential conflicts

672
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,600
should be disclosed, but you don't have to.

673
00:51:53,600 --> 00:52:01,640
But then elsewhere, you're saying conflicts, whether actual or potential, must be disclosed.

674
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,200
You're sending mixed messages there.

675
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,200
It's not good.

676
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,640
It's just, you're creating a bad situation.

677
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:17,300
So I recommend that you either change the word should to must, or take out the word

678
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:23,240
potential conflicts from any actual or potential conflicts must be disclosed.

679
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:27,940
So either potential conflicts should be disclosed all throughout the code of conduct, or they

680
00:52:27,940 --> 00:52:30,720
must be disclosed.

681
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,440
Don't shoot, don't mix and match that language.

682
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,080
All right.

683
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,760
And then the second contradiction was under avoidance of excessive delegation.

684
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,640
Oh, no, that's, I already went over that one.

685
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,800
That meaning was unclear and I don't know what's an example of excessive voting power

686
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,440
designation allegation.

687
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:59,940
And so we get to part of my feedback.

688
00:52:59,940 --> 00:53:03,320
Another contradiction.

689
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,880
Under section eight, let's keep going.

690
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:12,160
So we were past section six, now we're into section seven, which is adherence to the spirit

691
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,500
of the code.

692
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:19,040
So it then talks about how the code of conduct may not cover all possible scenarios.

693
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,160
Delegates are expected to adhere to its spirit.

694
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,560
They should refrain from exploiting any potential loopholes, acting in good faith and the best

695
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,240
interests of the community at all times.

696
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,320
But the reverse is actually true.

697
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:35,280
This thing is so broadly worded that people who are enforcing it can use loopholes to

698
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:41,440
get after community members who might not deserve your scrutiny or punishment.

699
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:47,040
And then section eight, that's where the next contradiction I find occurs.

700
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,080
Optional participation and accountability.

701
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,640
So the first part of that says opting commitment, delegates may choose to opt into this code

702
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,240
of conduct by indicating their agreement in the application form.

703
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:02,360
By doing so, they signal their commitment to uphold these standards.

704
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,040
Next section, ongoing feedback.

705
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,280
The community is invited to provide feedback on this code of conduct.

706
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,560
Finally held views and constructive suggestions will be considered for incorporation into

707
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:18,560
future versions of document, ensuring it remains robust and fair.

708
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,760
And the last portion, penalties for non-compliance.

709
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,600
Delegates who fail to adhere to this code of conduct, particularly regarding the conflict

710
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,420
of interest disclosures, that's why I said earlier it was so important to go through

711
00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:36,320
all that, may face penalties, including the loss of delegate status and the SIP being

712
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,560
canceled.

713
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,440
That is a double whammy of a penalty.

714
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,280
Not only can the delegate lose their delegate status, but the SIP that is in question, that's

715
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,680
associated with whatever mishaps occurred there, can be canceled.

716
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,960
This is why I'm saying that the massive loopholes that we talked about, the broad language,

717
00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:02,640
the over-excessiveness of the way it's worded, can be used against the community as a weapon.

718
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,220
Because you're saying here at the very end, oh, by the way, you can lose your delegate

719
00:55:06,220 --> 00:55:13,160
status and we can cancel the SIP that's affected by this.

720
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:19,320
There's a pretty obvious abuse thing that emerges here.

721
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:25,560
So, here's the part that contradicts itself.

722
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:30,200
Under 8, section 8, it says optional participation and accountability.

723
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,240
So, the keyword is optional.

724
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:37,920
And then the first part of that section, the opt-in commitment, delegates may choose to

725
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,600
opt into this code of conduct.

726
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:48,000
And when I went through this code of conduct and when I saw the FAQ, read through the FAQ

727
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,480
and the interviews, this didn't seem very optional.

728
00:55:51,480 --> 00:56:00,960
All right, the question 17 says, I agree to abide by the rules of the code of conduct.

729
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,120
You can select yes or no.

730
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,480
It will let you go forward if you select no.

731
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,920
But how likely is someone selecting no really to have a shot at being approved by the Dow

732
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:11,920
team?

733
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,440
Does the Dow team intend to approve anyone who selects no?

734
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,000
If not, then I'd say this is just a trap.

735
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,280
It looks like a trap.

736
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:28,720
If anyone selects no, and reasonably, if you were to read the code of conduct, it says

737
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:30,320
optional.

738
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:35,480
Delegates may choose to opt into this code of conduct, maybe not realizing that the Dow

739
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:42,960
team makes a very, very strong recommendation that you need to select yes or else you won't

740
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,520
be approved as a delegate.

741
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,400
So why even say that?

742
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,360
Why say that they may choose to opt in?

743
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,080
I mean, if you choose to opt out, then if it's automatically, you're not going to be

744
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,480
approved as a delegate, it doesn't mean anything.

745
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,240
The opt-in doesn't mean anything.

746
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:07,080
So that's the part where it says, adhere in the FAQ.

747
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:11,160
What are the criteria to be showcased on the Sandbox delegates dashboard?

748
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:17,200
It says you must propose your candidacy, have voted on at least one of the last three steps,

749
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,520
present your manifesto, which it means like your vision statement and all that stuff,

750
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:26,600
like we went over in the interview application, and the most important part, adhere to the

751
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,920
delegate guidelines and code of conduct.

752
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,720
So this doesn't look like it's a choice at all.

753
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,720
It doesn't look like you choose to opt in.

754
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,280
Looks like you must opt in in order to be approved as a delegate.

755
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,800
So the way this makes it seem like it's optional is unfortunate.

756
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:49,080
I recommend that you, if you don't mean it to be optional, don't write that word there.

757
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,480
Don't write the word optional participation, right?

758
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,280
Mandatory participation.

759
00:57:53,280 --> 00:58:00,080
And for opt-in commitments, delegates must choose to opt in.

760
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,420
That's my recommendation.

761
00:58:01,420 --> 00:58:09,080
If you really mean it to be that you won't approve a delegation, if they don't opt in,

762
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,400
don't choose to opt in.

763
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,520
It's a very contradictory language.

764
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,520
So that's my recommendation.

765
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:24,280
And let's get into the very last bit of this, which is the abuse scenario.

766
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:37,120
So I mentioned a number of times that the broadly worded scenarios, the broadly worded

767
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:45,520
language creates scenarios which can be exploited and used as a weapon against the community.

768
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,780
And I did a little thought experiment to what that abuse scenario would look like.

769
00:58:50,780 --> 00:58:57,160
And here's something that jumped out at me as I was thinking about this.

770
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,680
Because what I'm interested in is who benefits from this?

771
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,400
Who wields the power?

772
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:10,960
And it's obviously in favor of the Dow team wielding the power against the community if

773
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,480
they choose to.

774
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:19,040
If you hit someone who is really angry at a delegate, or if you have someone who secretly

775
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,960
resents them, or if they have an axe to grind, or if just for whatever reason they want to

776
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,760
make an example of someone, whatever.

777
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,360
Here's a potential abuse scenario given the way the code of conduct is written and the

778
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,880
FAQs are written right now.

779
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:33,880
All right.

780
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,740
So let's say you have delegation X. Delegation X just got approved.

781
00:59:38,740 --> 00:59:42,320
They're listed on the sandbox Dow dashboard.

782
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:49,920
They have 1 million voting power and 1000 members.

783
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:50,920
Okay.

784
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,820
Delegation X. Not an unreasonable thing to start off with.

785
00:59:55,820 --> 01:00:07,160
Given that we know as part of DowBase.ai we have 2000 voters and 211,000 token holders.

786
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:18,840
So we, of the 211,000, you roughly have 209,000 people who could delegate their power to someone

787
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:19,840
else.

788
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,440
So a thousand of 211,000 isn't unreasonable.

789
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:30,820
So you've got delegation X. They have a thousand members with a thousand voting power.

790
01:00:30,820 --> 01:00:33,440
They see the current SIP.

791
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,440
SIP 15.

792
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,280
SIP 15 is metaverse and disability, a new work frontier.

793
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,000
If you have not voted, please go vote now on SIP 14 and 15.

794
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,800
My SIP is SIP 14, which is window resizing and SIP 15 is disability hiring program.

795
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:48,800
All right.

796
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,080
Very, very worthwhile effort.

797
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,600
Please go vote.

798
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:58,560
So they see SIP 15 delegation X with a thousand members and they vote.

799
01:00:58,560 --> 01:00:59,560
They cast their vote.

800
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,200
They say, yep, this is a great thing.

801
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,360
We're going to cast our vote for a hundred percent of our voting power.

802
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,840
All right.

803
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:16,720
But then we discover member number 968 of those thousand members who only has 50 sand

804
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:22,640
delegated to delegation X. So it's 50 voting power of the 1 million voting power that delegation

805
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:29,520
X has was the author of SIP 15 and delegation X missed it.

806
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:35,360
They didn't see that one of their a thousand members was the author.

807
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:43,580
This is very easy to do because maybe member 9068 actually has a second wallet that they're

808
01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:49,120
using not to conceal their vote, but no, they're not participating much.

809
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:56,960
They forgot that they delegated to delegation X and of the many, many delegations that exist

810
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:04,040
or delegates that exist, maybe 50 of them that are approved just doesn't really realize

811
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,040
it.

812
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,840
I mean, they submit a SIP and the delegation X doesn't realize that one of their members

813
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:15,640
is the author and the member doesn't communicate with delegation X.

814
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:21,760
So neither of them realize that a potential conflict of interest exists here.

815
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,640
And why would that be a potential conflict of interest?

816
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:45,680
Because as we learned in the code of conduct that in section three, there we go, in section

817
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:51,040
five under conflict of interest, delegates forfeit their ability to, delegates forfeits

818
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:57,840
their ability to propose a SIP and it later talks about how delegates are not required

819
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:04,680
or are required to not vote if, and I confirmed this in an interview with the sandbox Dow

820
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:12,160
team when I interviewed for the delegate, if you're one of your delegation members

821
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,680
is the author that constitutes a conflict of interest.

822
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:24,000
So they would be expected by the code of conduct to not vote, but it's so easy to not realize

823
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,760
that a conflict of interest has been created here.

824
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:33,320
So delegation X has already voted, doesn't realize one of their members, one of the thousand

825
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:40,040
members has is a SIP author, SIP author forgets to tell delegation X or just doesn't communicate

826
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:41,040
with delegation X.

827
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:49,440
So delegation X doesn't realize that and boom, you have a conflict of interest.

828
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:54,840
So let's say one eagle eyed community member or someone on the Dow team realizes this,

829
01:03:54,840 --> 01:04:00,640
discovers this, and then through one reason or another, maybe they don't like delegation

830
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:09,580
X or maybe they have something against the SIP author, or maybe they just want to make

831
01:04:09,580 --> 01:04:15,320
an example because they want to show the community that they really mean business when they say

832
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:25,880
conflict of interest is very important for you to not run afoul of, which we learned

833
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:33,200
toward the autumn that it's very important for this to happen, for conflict of interest

834
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:40,080
to be avoided and the Dow values the principles of transparency, accountability and integrity

835
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:45,040
in its government processes and really wants this to be enforced.

836
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:53,160
So they decide that it's time to throw the book at delegation X and the SIP author.

837
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:54,640
So what do they do?

838
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:02,640
They go to sections five, six and seven and they start listing all these things that are

839
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:07,480
so broadly worded that it could apply to this scenario.

840
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:12,800
Things like any actual or potential conflict must be disclosed.

841
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:19,300
Uh oh, delegation X didn't disclose that in violation of section five.

842
01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:23,300
Any potential conflicts should be disclosed, ensuring that all governance activities are

843
01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:26,240
conducted without bias or personal gain.

844
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:31,560
Uh oh, delegation member number 968 is part of delegation X.

845
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:38,960
Delegation X gains from this SIP author, SIP passing.

846
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,880
Another violation of section five.

847
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:46,780
And also in section six and the anti-lobbering efforts, this includes any form of communication

848
01:05:46,780 --> 01:05:51,240
or pressure from external parties of which a SIP author would be.

849
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:56,160
Also communications that may be influencing the delegates vote should be logged and disclosed.

850
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:01,200
A failure to do that by delegation X and the SIP author.

851
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,200
Keep going in section seven.

852
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:11,160
While not all possible scenarios are covered by the code of conduct, you must adhere to

853
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,080
the spirit of conflict of interest rules.

854
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:22,400
So that just reinforces the external pressure or the potential conflict of interest or anything

855
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,200
that might be construed as personal gain or bias.

856
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:33,680
There's definitely bias that one of your members of the Dow delegate, you would vote for a

857
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,920
SIP author who you're a delegate to.

858
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,300
So that's a bias.

859
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:41,300
So there you go.

860
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:50,700
In violation of one, two, three, four, five sections, five parts in the code of conduct.

861
01:06:50,700 --> 01:06:52,080
So what happens?

862
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:59,160
Well, in section eight, as I mentioned, it says you can lose your delegate status and

863
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,680
your SIP can be canceled.

864
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,760
So guess what happens after that?

865
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:12,260
The the Dow team member who wants to either make an example of resents or wants to seek

866
01:07:12,260 --> 01:07:17,280
revenge on the SIP author or the delegation.

867
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:24,760
Then cancels the SIP, SIP 14, which was all about hiring disabled people into the sandbox

868
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:30,440
Dow and has connection with European Parliament and the disability strategy, a massive amount

869
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,480
of opportunity there for goodness to happen.

870
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:38,560
One of the sandbox budgets is sandbox good.

871
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,240
The SIP is canceled.

872
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:42,680
And what happens to the delegation?

873
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,280
They get banned.

874
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,960
Their delegation status is revoked and goodbye delegation.

875
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:54,920
A thousand members, a thousand, a million voting power, all of the power, all of the

876
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,080
good that the delegation may have done doesn't matter anymore.

877
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,640
They're done.

878
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:08,640
So that right there is just one abuse scenario that can occur with the broadly worded language

879
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,600
of the code of conduct.

880
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,160
So I already gave my recommendations for how to reword some of that.

881
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:23,760
And I'll go over that one more time, just to kind of wrap this up.

882
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:29,520
So for the in the code of conduct where it talks about the the primary responsibility

883
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,720
of delegates must be to prioritize the long term success and delegates should reflect

884
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,680
the broader community interests.

885
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:42,720
It's too vague for the most delegates who have a focus or a niche.

886
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,800
I don't think you should be saying reflect the broader community interests.

887
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,720
I don't think you should be saying you must prioritize the long term success is as I've

888
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:56,920
seen within my own dealings with the Dow team, the long term success could mean that they

889
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:03,920
don't want another podcast to be funded by the Dow because they themselves want to publish

890
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,660
their own podcast.

891
01:09:05,660 --> 01:09:11,120
So suddenly that's no longer in the interest of long term success of the Dow to have a

892
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:16,040
competing podcast.

893
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:24,740
So that could that could really put a few delegates in a bind.

894
01:09:24,740 --> 01:09:29,800
So I don't think you should be I don't I recommend striking those words.

895
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:35,560
The next part I gave kudos to the the sections below where it talks about voting obligations

896
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,980
being diligent in review, providing constructive feedback.

897
01:09:38,980 --> 01:09:40,080
That was great.

898
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,600
I don't have any recommendations there.

899
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:49,920
I think that that solves a very a very well known problem within the Dow and voter participation.

900
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:56,760
But contradictions start to emerge in the disclosure portions and the conflict of interest

901
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:05,080
portions which are sections five and six where delegates are required to not vote on any

902
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,480
proposal where a conflict of interest exists.

903
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:10,460
That by itself is great.

904
01:10:10,460 --> 01:10:14,080
But then you pair that with delegates are also required to not vote on anything where

905
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,480
a potential conflict of interest exists.

906
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:19,920
That is too broadly worded.

907
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,560
It basically means any member of a delegate.

908
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:30,600
And as we mentioned, some of these delegates already have over 15,000 members.

909
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,640
One of them has over a million members.

910
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:39,160
And then more realistic, but most of them have over 50 or over 100.

911
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:45,700
So it's not reasonable to expect the delegate which which may be one or a small delegate

912
01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:50,400
of nine to police over 15,000 members.

913
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:57,820
So my recommendation is limited to just the delegation leaders where potential conflict

914
01:10:57,820 --> 01:11:04,240
of interest may exist and conflict of interest may exist.

915
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,940
There is middle ground there to be found.

916
01:11:06,940 --> 01:11:13,680
But my recommendation is way too overbearing to especially for an unpaid volunteer ship

917
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:18,840
role for an unpaid volunteer to police a million members.

918
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,760
No, no.

919
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:28,680
And then the contradiction that emerges with the avoid the excessive delegation, which

920
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:38,520
is in section one, where it says delegates are discouraged from encouraging excessive

921
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:39,720
voting power delegation.

922
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,180
I don't know what this means.

923
01:11:41,180 --> 01:11:46,580
Please provide an example of that because that that I don't know what excessive voting

924
01:11:46,580 --> 01:11:48,640
power delegation means.

925
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:49,640
Could mean anything.

926
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,960
It's it's an unknown.

927
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:57,760
The next thing was the contradiction later on in section eight, where it talks about

928
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:03,400
optional participation, where a delegate may choose to opt into this code of conduct as

929
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:08,920
if you would be approved to be a delegate if you didn't opt in this code of conduct.

930
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:13,880
And everything about this code of conduct, the FAQ, the application process, the interview

931
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,080
makes it seem like you must opt in.

932
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:21,920
So please make it clear, is it really a choice?

933
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:28,180
Because if it's a choice to opt in, but you're automatically denied delegation, then it's

934
01:12:28,180 --> 01:12:30,220
not really a choice.

935
01:12:30,220 --> 01:12:33,400
You might as well just say it's mandatory to be a delegate.

936
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:38,080
So please make it clear which way it is.

937
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:44,360
And those are the those are the biggest loopholes, I think the biggest broadly worded things

938
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:50,440
that need to be shored up, because as we mentioned that abuse scenario, it's just too it's too

939
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:55,800
lopsided toward the Dow team, the special counsel and people who willed power and authority

940
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,220
within the Dow to use it against the community.

941
01:12:59,220 --> 01:13:08,680
And the community has very, very little recourse because this Dow is still very centralized.

942
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:17,200
And it's it's very difficult to get your SIP through the process if the Dow team denies

943
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:21,880
you, you don't really have a recourse.

944
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:27,440
And so I mean, what let's just say all this happens, right?

945
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:31,160
Delegation X gets banned and the SIP voter gets canceled.

946
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:40,520
The SIP voter then has to wait 30 or 60 days to re per the Constitution, 30 or 60 days

947
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:41,520
to re-submit.

948
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:50,240
It then has to go back through the SIP process where it goes through the same Dow team, one

949
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:58,360
of which just improperly lose their power to ban the delegation of a thousand members

950
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,600
and cancel the SIP of a SIP author.

951
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:08,520
So now that same person is re-reviewing the SIP that gets re-submitted.

952
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:13,640
And because we don't really get to see into too much what that process looks like, unless

953
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,600
you submitted, you get to see the back and forth between yourself and the Dow team.

954
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,040
But it's very, very behind the scenes.

955
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:26,640
And it's it's rife with people just denying and delaying your SIP to where you have no

956
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,600
way, no way to balance that power.

957
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:41,360
So it's just too, it's too, it's too much abuse that can be introduced into that scenario.

958
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,400
And it's not, it's not good.

959
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,420
It's not good.

960
01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:53,920
So please, Dow team, special counsel, consider how broadly worded the code of conduct is

961
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,400
and the recommendations that I gave.

962
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,960
I'm going to be putting this also into the forum post.

963
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:04,200
I'll be summarizing my thoughts there.

964
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:09,120
And yeah, yeah, those are my thoughts.

965
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,160
Overall, I'm super happy that delegation is here.

966
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:16,040
If I didn't make that clear in the beginning, but that was my review of the forum announcement,

967
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:21,000
the application link, the interview by the Dow team, the delegation dashboard and the

968
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:22,920
code of conduct.

969
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:28,240
And I'm super happy to see delegations arrive.

970
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:34,240
I think they're going to greatly increase voter participation, as is evidenced by compound

971
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:40,120
Dow's research and Mia Bow's research with Dow base that it could, you know, upwards

972
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:50,280
of 80% of those 211,000 voters, or maybe it was 80% increase of the 2000 voters right

973
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:54,080
now that are participating.

974
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,760
I'm excited.

975
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,000
I'm very, very excited.

976
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:04,960
So let's go ahead and move on through to the, to the rest of this future episodes.

977
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,660
We have an episode coming up this Thursday.

978
01:16:07,660 --> 01:16:13,080
So a couple of days from now, it is a Dow identity with when airdrop from tech talk

979
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:14,480
podcast.

980
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:21,080
He has a background in, in, in web three identity, and we want to connect that I want to connect

981
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:26,840
that with the sandbox Dow and how we approach identity within our San Fam community.

982
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:33,720
I'm trying very, very hard to lock in a, the interview with Touche, we just need to confirm

983
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,460
the date.

984
01:16:35,460 --> 01:16:38,040
And then we should be good to go on that.

985
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:45,400
And as I mentioned, I'm going to be doing a San Fam and sandbox ecosystem where I kind

986
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:52,520
of showed the, the, what is the sandbox slide here.

987
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:59,080
I have a much deeper slide deck on this explaining the ecosystem, how they all relate to each

988
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:00,080
other.

989
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,200
And I'm super excited about that.

990
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,120
I think I'm about 80% done with it.

991
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:08,200
So you'll, you'll see that coming up.

992
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,240
Okay.

993
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:11,240
Sandbox spaces.

994
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:15,320
So if you're wanting to connect to the sandbox Dow or the sandbox and the San Fam, as we

995
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,600
call ourselves and the discord, go to the sandbox game discord.

996
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,120
There is a channel called Dow discussion.

997
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:27,960
You can also go to the sandbox Dow forums where you can talk with the SIP authors, input

998
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:34,720
on SIP ideas and different governance posts that are being made about the sandbox Dow

999
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:35,880
on Twitter.

1000
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:41,600
Look at hashtag San Fam, hashtag the sandbox Dow one word and the hand and hashtag the

1001
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,920
sandbox game, all one word, no spaces.

1002
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,280
And you can also follow at the sandbox Dow.com.

1003
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,400
I'm sorry.

1004
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:57,000
And the at the sandbox Dow and for sandbox spaces throughout the week on Mondays, there

1005
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,120
is mocha verse hall on Saturdays.

1006
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,640
There's bulls on the block Monday through Friday.

1007
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:09,360
There is coffee with captain whale members does natively digital on Tuesdays and San

1008
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:15,640
Fan Cafe does things periodically monthly with different San Fam members.

1009
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:20,400
This is where a lot of San Fam are congregating are discussing.

1010
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:26,440
And in addition to the forums, Twitter and, and discord.

1011
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:29,240
So get connected and in.

1012
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:34,320
Yeah, vote, please vote.

1013
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,860
I need you to vote.

1014
01:18:36,860 --> 01:18:41,360
We only have 2000 voters.

1015
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:49,580
And and right now, our proposals are in need of more participation.

1016
01:18:49,580 --> 01:18:58,880
So sip 14, which is my sip right now has a 55% yes vote, 26% abstain vote, only 17% no

1017
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:04,400
vote, but only 6.5 of 30 million quorum.

1018
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:09,200
That's 21% really, really need voters.

1019
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:15,840
And then sip 15, which is metafuturas, metaverse and disability hiring program is in the same

1020
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:28,520
same boat as I am 49% yes, 27% no 22% abstain, but only 21% of the 30 million quorum obtained.

1021
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:35,940
So as we interviewed them not long ago, they, it was really surprising to hear they have

1022
01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:42,240
really deeply thought about this and making sure that they hire disabled individuals.

1023
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:50,680
So that's, that's deaf, blind, or physically impaired and give them a way to learn the

1024
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:58,320
skills to be San Fam community members, creators and box edit and game makers within the experiences

1025
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:02,840
and a very, very well thought out proposal.

1026
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,840
So please go vote.

1027
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:07,840
Go vote.

1028
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,320
We need your participation.

1029
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,760
And with that, we will conclude.

1030
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,680
Thank you for your time.

1031
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,920
Thank you for being in, in the San Fam.

1032
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:25,400
My name is Lancer at sign Mr. Lancer and at sign meta worlds meta.

1033
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:31,720
Please like follow and subscribe to sandbox out podcast and thank you all for your time.

1034
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:55,840
Have a great day.