1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,760 Alright everyone, welcome back to podcast number 16. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:18,400 This is the third part three of Magic Palette follow up with Pepe from Sandrush. 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:23,120 And today we're going to be going over a recap of Magic Palette. 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,440 Then there's some follow up questions where we explore the SIP process, a little bit of 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:35,360 the Magic Palette development, and then we can close out our follow up with Pepe before 6 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:41,000 it hits beta and everyone can start accessing it when it becomes available. 7 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,000 So awesome. 8 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:50,200 Great, thanks for having me, Langston. 9 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,000 Yeah, absolutely. 10 00:00:52,000 --> 00:01:01,680 So SIP update and scope of the talk. 11 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,400 So we're doing a set of recap. 12 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,440 Disclaimer is we don't represent the sandbox game or the sandbox foundation, not your 13 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:18,000 few financial or legal advisors. 14 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,640 Okay so the scorecard, the scoreboard got updated a little bit. 15 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:27,040 So there are, there were two SIPs that closed. 16 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,000 Both of them did not pass because they didn't reach quorum. 17 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,040 That was SIP 9 and 10. 18 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:42,600 And two just opened up, SIPs 11 and 12, Academy, sandbox Academy, and the ambassador program. 19 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:50,440 And then the one that is now in draft is NFT evolution, which is crafting NFT drops. 20 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,120 I just finished reading that one and I noticed Pepe that you had responded to it. 21 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:01,080 I don't think I fully understand what it is, something about a recipe and then if it drops 22 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,440 in the game, in the game, then it also appears on your claim page. 23 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,440 Yes. 24 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:13,200 Yeah, I mean, I'm not fully sure how it should or could be implemented directly into the 25 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,200 game. 26 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:20,760 But it would be amazing to have crafting up and running because I mean, this is the focus 27 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,840 that I had when I did read it. 28 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:23,840 Sorry for the noises. 29 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:24,840 That's okay. 30 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:36,480 I'm really eager to see this coming to life because it would would allow so much new opportunities 31 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,680 for creating games. 32 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,800 Yeah, I'm fully supporting this one. 33 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:43,800 Awesome. 34 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:49,120 Yeah, I pretty much didn't have any questions after I read it except one one little small 35 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,120 one, but it seemed pretty straightforward to me. 36 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:59,040 And while I don't fully understand it, it seems like like an obvious good one. 37 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,860 And so that brings us to seven approved three not approved. 38 00:03:02,860 --> 00:03:05,320 That means the checkbook did not change. 39 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,360 So we're still sitting at 1.9 million sand. 40 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:14,120 It's been approved to spend just 13% of the budget. 41 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:20,520 Okay, I did add this one since we last talked, which is the Dow base. 42 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:26,920 And so there are 211,000 token holders within the sandbox style. 43 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:30,580 1800 of them are voting wallets. 44 00:03:30,580 --> 00:03:40,200 So that's some interesting stats to add from Dow base.ai. 45 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:45,760 introductions on the podcast hosts and Pepe one more time. 46 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,840 Yeah, we already made I'm already native here. 47 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,200 I know I know you might as well. 48 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,000 All right, let's get to the recap. 49 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,000 No, that's great. 50 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,080 Thanks a lot for having me through these episodes. 51 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:09,520 And back then, even when we had our zip up and running for voting, though, super, super 52 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:17,120 glad and grateful for your your engagement and working here. 53 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,880 It was a no brainer. 54 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:26,120 And I think just the idea of us doing this together, where I would do it from scratch. 55 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:32,040 I think the only thing left I didn't do was get an export of it so that I could then import 56 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,240 it to one of my games. 57 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:40,520 So yeah, he had the likely kid duties there for a second. 58 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,520 And one second. 59 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,520 Yeah, no problem. 60 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,520 Second. 61 00:04:45,520 --> 00:05:15,300 And go. 62 00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:17,560 Ready. 63 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,060 Yes. 64 00:05:18,060 --> 00:05:18,560 All right. 65 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,060 Forward. 66 00:05:19,060 --> 00:05:19,560 Forward. 67 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,060 Forward. 68 00:05:20,060 --> 00:05:21,560 Right. 69 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,060 Cool. 70 00:05:22,060 --> 00:05:22,560 Say OK. 71 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:31,060 Just in case. 72 00:05:38,740 --> 00:05:42,300 Just in case. 73 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:45,060 So I can hide behind my avatar. 74 00:05:45,060 --> 00:05:46,060 That's right. 75 00:05:46,060 --> 00:05:46,860 All right. 76 00:05:46,860 --> 00:05:48,900 So let's go over the recap. 77 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:51,100 We is our third episode. 78 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:57,420 So part one was we created a voxel mini map. 79 00:05:57,420 --> 00:06:03,720 It's basically like a small, small version 80 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,460 of what we would create in part two. 81 00:06:08,460 --> 00:06:12,340 So part one relied on us finding a concept art image. 82 00:06:12,340 --> 00:06:15,020 We found one pretty easy on Pinterest. 83 00:06:15,020 --> 00:06:20,260 And then took it to Magic of Voxel. 84 00:06:20,260 --> 00:06:22,580 You could also use VoxEdit. 85 00:06:22,580 --> 00:06:24,540 Or you could use GameMaker. 86 00:06:24,540 --> 00:06:26,340 But at this point, why would you? 87 00:06:26,340 --> 00:06:30,540 If you have VoxEdit, you could very easily create blockout. 88 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:33,420 That blockout was a smaller dimension 89 00:06:33,420 --> 00:06:38,980 than the normal blockout version. 90 00:06:38,980 --> 00:06:44,180 So he scaled it down to 48 by 48 by 60. 91 00:06:44,180 --> 00:06:48,860 And so that was to create a low resolution 92 00:06:48,860 --> 00:06:51,980 that he could then scale up into the one 93 00:06:51,980 --> 00:06:55,180 by one, which is your 96 by 96 by 128. 94 00:06:55,180 --> 00:06:59,180 Or if you're doing a two by two, 192 by 192. 95 00:06:59,180 --> 00:07:03,300 So that was to create the mini map. 96 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:05,780 And then we scaled it up to create the two 97 00:07:05,780 --> 00:07:07,860 by two resolution. 98 00:07:07,860 --> 00:07:13,860 Then part two was we imported that into magicpalette.io, 99 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:22,420 where right now you can sign up here showing 100 00:07:22,420 --> 00:07:26,220 the pre-registration here for the beta. 101 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:31,020 And that's where you started what Pepe said 102 00:07:31,020 --> 00:07:33,620 was to assign blocks. 103 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:38,940 So there would be one hex color, 00FF00. 104 00:07:38,940 --> 00:07:45,180 You could replace a sandbox block with a hex color 105 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:46,620 with a sandbox block. 106 00:07:46,620 --> 00:07:49,100 That's where we had the wavy water. 107 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:55,380 It's where we had the neon blue from the normal sandbox colors. 108 00:07:55,380 --> 00:08:00,700 And now part three, we're going to debrief on all of that 109 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:04,860 and then talk about the SIP process. 110 00:08:04,860 --> 00:08:07,700 Oh, I just went through part one without showing 111 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:09,220 the blocks. 112 00:08:09,220 --> 00:08:09,820 Whoops. 113 00:08:09,820 --> 00:08:13,900 Anyways, this was the block out that we did in the mini map. 114 00:08:13,900 --> 00:08:16,300 The mini map here is over to the left, you can see. 115 00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:19,580 And then we Pepe. 116 00:08:19,580 --> 00:08:23,260 Actually, Pepe, would you like to explain all this? 117 00:08:23,260 --> 00:08:24,020 Of course, yeah. 118 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:30,380 I mean, we can go over it just in a super fast forward mode. 119 00:08:30,380 --> 00:08:33,860 Yeah, we started small because starting small, 120 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:36,580 when designing your levels or having an idea, 121 00:08:36,580 --> 00:08:39,940 it's really helpful to have not a huge canvas. 122 00:08:39,940 --> 00:08:44,060 It's the same if you paint or if you create anything, 123 00:08:44,060 --> 00:08:45,820 a sculpture or whatever. 124 00:08:45,820 --> 00:08:50,900 It is super helpful to make mockups, small scale models. 125 00:08:50,900 --> 00:08:57,940 I'm actually coming from architecture by myself. 126 00:08:57,940 --> 00:09:01,340 So this is something that we do regularly. 127 00:09:01,340 --> 00:09:06,820 You create a multi-scale model for the whole project first 128 00:09:06,820 --> 00:09:10,500 to find out how it will look and will 129 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:15,660 work in the current cityscape or environment. 130 00:09:15,660 --> 00:09:20,860 So this is something that a lot of creation processes 131 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:21,780 have in common. 132 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:25,540 So you start small and from there you evolve. 133 00:09:25,540 --> 00:09:31,540 So we started with a small section kind of. 134 00:09:31,540 --> 00:09:36,220 And as you said, Lancer, we blocked it out really roughly 135 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:42,260 and quickly to find the dimensions, the distances 136 00:09:42,260 --> 00:09:46,460 in between landmass and watermass, for example, 137 00:09:46,460 --> 00:09:51,580 in our case here because we did build this little bay area. 138 00:09:51,580 --> 00:09:56,580 And then from there, when I want to add more details or, 139 00:09:56,580 --> 00:09:58,140 for example, in our case, we used 140 00:09:58,140 --> 00:10:02,540 shaders of Magic Avoxel that were quite a powerful help 141 00:10:02,540 --> 00:10:08,460 when doing gradients in your blocks or in your builds 142 00:10:08,460 --> 00:10:12,020 and all that, I would scale up because scaling up 143 00:10:12,020 --> 00:10:19,100 gives me more canvas, gives me more space to work with. 144 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:22,620 And you see it here in the screenshot. 145 00:10:22,620 --> 00:10:24,100 This is kind of the landmass. 146 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:28,420 And on the right side, we have the water, as I said, 147 00:10:28,420 --> 00:10:32,540 where we afterwards were able to dive through. 148 00:10:32,540 --> 00:10:36,860 And from there, I add details, maybe even going back 149 00:10:36,860 --> 00:10:42,180 to the small model again and refining and then scaling up 150 00:10:42,180 --> 00:10:43,180 again. 151 00:10:43,180 --> 00:10:45,420 But this is basically the process. 152 00:10:45,420 --> 00:10:52,860 It's ongoing back and forth. 153 00:10:52,860 --> 00:10:57,340 And what I learned that I didn't know 154 00:10:57,340 --> 00:11:02,180 was that in order to create the water there on the right, 155 00:11:02,180 --> 00:11:05,540 you did something called a shader, which was basically 156 00:11:05,540 --> 00:11:11,420 like an auto fill of the empty space. 157 00:11:11,420 --> 00:11:16,220 And that is when he took that blue shader, which 158 00:11:16,220 --> 00:11:18,100 was the water, he moved it to the right. 159 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:20,520 And that's what you're seeing, the separation of the shader 160 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,380 from blocks that he originally created. 161 00:11:23,380 --> 00:11:26,060 And then, as you can see a little bit down here, 162 00:11:26,060 --> 00:11:27,940 it's darker and it starts to get lighter. 163 00:11:27,940 --> 00:11:29,340 He did a gradient. 164 00:11:29,340 --> 00:11:34,060 And that created different color hexes 165 00:11:34,060 --> 00:11:39,580 in some sort of progressive fashion from darker to light. 166 00:11:39,580 --> 00:11:44,260 And that gave us a lot more customization 167 00:11:44,260 --> 00:11:49,620 when it went over to Magic Palette, where you could then 168 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:51,540 assign block colors. 169 00:11:51,540 --> 00:11:54,100 So if it was all the same hex color, 170 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:56,500 first of all, it would be pretty bright, probably. 171 00:11:56,500 --> 00:12:00,060 And then second would be if you changed one, 172 00:12:00,060 --> 00:12:06,340 you change every single hex color, every single block. 173 00:12:06,340 --> 00:12:08,820 Right, voxel. 174 00:12:08,820 --> 00:12:13,020 So that created a bit of more customization 175 00:12:13,020 --> 00:12:18,700 that we could make inside, which was part two. 176 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:21,620 So part one, the steps that we laid out, that I went through 177 00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:25,460 was start first with the concept, which was pre-production. 178 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:27,020 Then we built the mini map. 179 00:12:27,020 --> 00:12:28,580 Then we finished the block out. 180 00:12:28,580 --> 00:12:32,780 Then we imported into Magic Palette. 181 00:12:32,780 --> 00:12:34,260 And then part two. 182 00:12:34,260 --> 00:12:37,260 Go ahead, Pepe. 183 00:12:37,260 --> 00:12:42,700 Yes, from there, we already did drop our voxel model 184 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:44,980 into Magic Palette. 185 00:12:44,980 --> 00:12:47,940 This is straightforward. 186 00:12:47,940 --> 00:12:51,700 And we just today have updated our voxel loader once again 187 00:12:51,700 --> 00:12:54,940 and have made it more powerful. 188 00:12:54,940 --> 00:13:00,180 So it can load larger and more dense maps, 189 00:13:00,180 --> 00:13:04,300 even on our web-based application. 190 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:06,420 We have some limitations. 191 00:13:06,420 --> 00:13:11,260 But as you see here, the model came out quite quirky. 192 00:13:11,260 --> 00:13:12,900 But it is there. 193 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:20,180 So all what we did in voxels is now transformed into blocks. 194 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:23,140 Magic Palette does this automatically. 195 00:13:23,140 --> 00:13:27,940 And you see here, it takes the palette 196 00:13:27,940 --> 00:13:32,300 that you see on the right sidebar. 197 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:34,660 It takes these colors from the voxels 198 00:13:34,660 --> 00:13:40,020 and chooses the nearest color that we have assigned 199 00:13:40,020 --> 00:13:42,620 in our block database. 200 00:13:42,620 --> 00:13:47,540 And therefore, it will assign, auto-assign, these blocks. 201 00:13:47,540 --> 00:13:52,580 The city wall that we did here looks quite noisy. 202 00:13:52,580 --> 00:13:54,540 But we fixed this afterwards. 203 00:13:54,540 --> 00:13:59,780 Because each block or each color can 204 00:13:59,780 --> 00:14:03,700 be assigned with a block now. 205 00:14:03,700 --> 00:14:05,340 This is what we did afterwards. 206 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:05,840 Yeah. 207 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:15,300 Yes, you see it here. 208 00:14:15,300 --> 00:14:17,260 That's exactly what we did. 209 00:14:17,260 --> 00:14:21,940 We selected the blocks here, the sandstone 210 00:14:21,940 --> 00:14:24,700 that we wanted to have, the gradient 211 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:27,060 that we did with this shader. 212 00:14:27,060 --> 00:14:29,100 This becomes now sandstone. 213 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:33,300 And we assigned different gradients of sandstone 214 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:35,180 to this. 215 00:14:35,180 --> 00:14:42,060 And also, the city wall looks now quite or more consistent. 216 00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:44,500 And yeah, after that, when we are 217 00:14:44,500 --> 00:14:50,140 happy with our block assignment and our style and design, 218 00:14:50,140 --> 00:14:56,820 choose choices, we can load at any time. 219 00:14:56,820 --> 00:15:00,940 We can load our map now into GameMaker 220 00:15:00,940 --> 00:15:06,540 and start exploring our level design. 221 00:15:06,540 --> 00:15:07,220 Which one? 222 00:15:07,220 --> 00:15:07,900 Where is that? 223 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:10,460 I think it's here. 224 00:15:10,460 --> 00:15:14,300 Oh, or is it that you're trying to run through it? 225 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:15,900 Yeah, good. 226 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:16,940 There it is. 227 00:15:16,940 --> 00:15:18,500 Yeah. 228 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:21,100 That was still Magic Pallet. 229 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:23,180 Yeah, here we are in GameMaker. 230 00:15:23,180 --> 00:15:24,540 Yeah, exactly. 231 00:15:24,540 --> 00:15:25,540 Yeah. 232 00:15:25,540 --> 00:15:26,900 And then you, oh yeah, that's right. 233 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:30,860 You put in a few assets. 234 00:15:30,860 --> 00:15:31,980 That was when you put that. 235 00:15:31,980 --> 00:15:34,820 Yes, I mean, that's the next step. 236 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:36,220 Yeah. 237 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:36,740 There we go. 238 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:38,020 It's all block-based. 239 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:39,580 It's all block-based. 240 00:15:39,580 --> 00:15:43,780 But as shown here, soon after, you 241 00:15:43,780 --> 00:15:49,420 can start to dress your experience with assets, 242 00:15:49,420 --> 00:15:52,820 adding game mechanics, adding effects, 243 00:15:52,820 --> 00:15:56,660 changing the light settings, and all that. 244 00:15:56,660 --> 00:15:59,020 This is what we do here to find out 245 00:15:59,020 --> 00:16:01,740 how the look and feel of your level 246 00:16:01,740 --> 00:16:07,700 is because it's important that you test your game 247 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:10,780 or your level design as soon as possible. 248 00:16:10,780 --> 00:16:15,620 And this is exactly what Magic Pallet allows you to do so. 249 00:16:15,620 --> 00:16:22,460 Going as fast as possible with a full fleshed-out level design 250 00:16:22,460 --> 00:16:28,220 into GameMaker and, as you see here, be playable even 251 00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:30,180 at this early stage already. 252 00:16:30,180 --> 00:16:35,260 And test the player's journey, test the paths 253 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:39,940 that you want to lay out, find out what you need to move, 254 00:16:39,940 --> 00:16:43,100 shift around, because this is also 255 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:46,380 a huge strength of Magic Pallet. 256 00:16:46,380 --> 00:16:51,540 Or working with these mini-maps, as we described in phase one. 257 00:16:51,540 --> 00:16:54,180 It can be iterated so fast. 258 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:57,380 And changes can be made super easy. 259 00:16:57,380 --> 00:16:59,060 So you can copy things. 260 00:16:59,060 --> 00:17:01,340 You can move full. 261 00:17:01,340 --> 00:17:04,980 For example, if I don't like the city wall dimensions, 262 00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:08,820 I just would shrink it with a few clicks 263 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:12,060 and have everything still up and running. 264 00:17:12,060 --> 00:17:16,500 I just update my map and not needing 265 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:21,460 to tear down the whole wall, build it up. 266 00:17:21,460 --> 00:17:24,220 Like what you're doing right now. 267 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:26,660 5 meters. 268 00:17:26,660 --> 00:17:28,540 Yeah, of course, everything is editable 269 00:17:28,540 --> 00:17:31,940 and can be changed also in GameMaker. 270 00:17:31,940 --> 00:17:35,180 And also these changes that you do in GameMaker 271 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:39,420 then can be loaded again back to Magic Pallet, 272 00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:40,940 even back to your voxel model. 273 00:17:44,340 --> 00:17:45,660 Right on. 274 00:17:45,660 --> 00:17:51,980 And at the end there, you chose a preset, 275 00:17:51,980 --> 00:17:55,540 which you then loaded in GameMaker. 276 00:17:55,540 --> 00:17:58,420 I mean, and it took no time at all 277 00:17:58,420 --> 00:18:00,820 to get that thing up and running. 278 00:18:00,820 --> 00:18:05,260 So this will be available on launch as well. 279 00:18:05,260 --> 00:18:09,940 Yeah, our generative procedural generated levels. 280 00:18:09,940 --> 00:18:13,620 We only start with one generator for beta, 281 00:18:13,620 --> 00:18:19,420 but we have a few quite exciting ones in the work right now. 282 00:18:19,420 --> 00:18:25,540 This is something that appeals mostly to people that even 283 00:18:25,540 --> 00:18:32,260 don't want or don't be the creators itself 284 00:18:32,260 --> 00:18:38,820 or being not working with voxels or blocks or GameMaker 285 00:18:38,820 --> 00:18:42,980 and all the tools that TSP provides. 286 00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:46,740 It gives you really just out of the box 287 00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:51,380 with a few clicks in Magic Pallet the opportunity 288 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:59,300 to push your very own design and level design to your lens 289 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:01,300 without much effort. 290 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:09,780 And in our opinion, this should, yeah, we really hope 291 00:19:09,780 --> 00:19:13,180 and we also think and hardly believe 292 00:19:13,180 --> 00:19:19,980 this will accelerate the creation process even further, 293 00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:25,540 especially for people that just want to play something, 294 00:19:25,540 --> 00:19:28,940 just have something on their map. 295 00:19:28,940 --> 00:19:31,780 Not everybody is an artist. 296 00:19:31,780 --> 00:19:37,820 And not everybody has a budget to hire a studio like us 297 00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:39,740 or like yours. 298 00:19:39,740 --> 00:19:44,380 So this is really something that should appeal 299 00:19:44,380 --> 00:19:49,380 to all the landowners and even maybe people 300 00:19:49,380 --> 00:19:54,260 that don't own land because you also can play, of course, 301 00:19:54,260 --> 00:19:56,700 on GameMaker client. 302 00:19:56,700 --> 00:19:59,220 Yeah, here you see an example. 303 00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:03,180 This is our dungeon generator that we 304 00:20:03,180 --> 00:20:06,620 have up and running right now. 305 00:20:06,620 --> 00:20:11,620 Yeah, and then you very easily change some of the blocks 306 00:20:11,620 --> 00:20:17,700 up there in the top right, like a theme of blocks. 307 00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:18,300 Yeah. 308 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:22,060 Instead of it being lava and obsidian, 309 00:20:22,060 --> 00:20:31,580 then you, right after that, change it to water and stuff. 310 00:20:31,580 --> 00:20:32,900 Right there. 311 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:35,900 Oh. 312 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:36,500 All right. 313 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:41,420 And then, so what that turned into was step five. 314 00:20:41,420 --> 00:20:44,980 And step four from part one was import. 315 00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:46,820 The step five was you start assigning 316 00:20:46,820 --> 00:20:48,380 the blocks in Magic Palette. 317 00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:53,900 And Pebe, you said there are 1,500 blocks to choose from. 318 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:57,380 And step six is download the file, import to GameMaker, 319 00:20:57,380 --> 00:20:58,540 as we saw. 320 00:20:58,540 --> 00:21:03,820 Step seven, import in GameMaker and begin creating logic 321 00:21:03,820 --> 00:21:05,540 and spawn locations. 322 00:21:05,540 --> 00:21:07,500 And then, Pebe, you said also make sure to change 323 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:09,380 the ambiance, so that was the time of day. 324 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:14,980 Yeah, it's a recommendation that I really 325 00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:17,780 would do early in the creation process, 326 00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:21,140 because the light of GameMaker, the light settings, 327 00:21:21,140 --> 00:21:25,740 affect how your blocks will look, 328 00:21:25,740 --> 00:21:28,740 and especially the colors will look. 329 00:21:28,740 --> 00:21:32,140 And step eight, place your assets, which you wanted, 330 00:21:32,140 --> 00:21:35,220 and finish your game making. 331 00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:38,140 You can publish it after that. 332 00:21:38,140 --> 00:21:41,100 So that brings us through our recap. 333 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:45,780 It was a pretty easy thing to get through. 334 00:21:45,780 --> 00:21:50,660 I was, I wasn't sure what I expected. 335 00:21:50,660 --> 00:21:52,500 That was easy. 336 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:54,220 The only thing that I'd have to learn 337 00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:57,340 is how to do a block out at that point. 338 00:21:57,340 --> 00:22:01,660 And then, yeah, my amateur skills, 339 00:22:01,660 --> 00:22:06,700 that logic-based stuff, messages, which is still very, 340 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:08,020 very bad right now. 341 00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:11,860 But at the very least, this will cut down big time 342 00:22:11,860 --> 00:22:15,540 on the block-placing portion that we normally 343 00:22:15,540 --> 00:22:19,380 have to do now during GameMaker. 344 00:22:19,380 --> 00:22:22,020 That was exciting. 345 00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:23,020 That was very exciting. 346 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:24,060 Cool. 347 00:22:24,060 --> 00:22:24,580 Awesome. 348 00:22:24,580 --> 00:22:25,060 Great. 349 00:22:25,060 --> 00:22:30,340 So there's some questions that even just outside of itself, 350 00:22:30,340 --> 00:22:32,780 things that I wanted to touch base with Pepe, 351 00:22:32,780 --> 00:22:34,780 but wait till the end to touch it, 352 00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:37,220 because we want a demo first. 353 00:22:37,220 --> 00:22:43,740 So let's go with, can you walk me through, actually, 354 00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:45,540 let's start with a development question first, 355 00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:48,620 since we're about to come to that. 356 00:22:48,620 --> 00:22:49,980 How has development gone? 357 00:22:49,980 --> 00:22:53,220 Has it gone just totally according to plan? 358 00:22:53,220 --> 00:22:55,260 Have you had some rocky bumps? 359 00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:56,820 How's it gone? 360 00:22:56,820 --> 00:22:57,820 Yeah. 361 00:22:57,820 --> 00:23:04,060 Sure, we daily push our app closer to beta. 362 00:23:04,060 --> 00:23:10,340 And we expect to have the beta live in the next two months 363 00:23:10,340 --> 00:23:13,340 already, if everything goes well. 364 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:23,340 So things going well, it is sometimes a bit tricky 365 00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:28,860 to figure out what exactly has priority, of course, 366 00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:33,660 because we have so many things that we would love to implement, 367 00:23:33,660 --> 00:23:38,540 but only limited time and resources to make it happen. 368 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:45,740 So we need to prioritize our features and our roadmap, 369 00:23:45,740 --> 00:23:51,460 or kind of stagger our roadmap in the most useful way 370 00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:54,020 for the end user, because we really 371 00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:59,780 built this for all creators and landowners out there 372 00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:09,220 to work with it the best we can deliver as a web app. 373 00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:11,500 It is going well. 374 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:19,660 We have unlocked phase one that we described in our zip. 375 00:24:19,660 --> 00:24:25,500 This is already passed early this month. 376 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:26,620 Yeah. 377 00:24:26,620 --> 00:24:32,180 Now we are kind of branching to phase two 378 00:24:32,180 --> 00:24:36,020 and are on schedule for this one as well. 379 00:24:36,020 --> 00:24:38,220 Yeah. 380 00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:43,140 One focus that I'm doing right now, or my focus right now, 381 00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:45,620 is I'm not a developer. 382 00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:50,300 We have other people that work on the technical side. 383 00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:56,740 But I'm heavily involved in doing the documentation 384 00:24:56,740 --> 00:25:03,300 or the knowledge base that we also want to provide. 385 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:07,340 This comes in written form, but also I 386 00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:12,180 started to record kind of small tutorials 387 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:18,700 or what we just did here in these last two episodes. 388 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:23,140 Would be perfect to show someone how 389 00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:26,580 to get started with this new workflow that Magic 390 00:25:26,580 --> 00:25:28,100 Padlet allows you. 391 00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:32,420 And all these things are super important to us as well, 392 00:25:32,420 --> 00:25:40,220 because we think a tool can only be as good as everybody 393 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:45,500 can work with or know how to manage to work with. 394 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:51,860 And this is a huge focus right now on my side. 395 00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:54,620 And do you fully expect to implement everything 396 00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:59,940 in the zip that you've detailed that you would? 397 00:25:59,940 --> 00:26:02,380 At this point, yes. 398 00:26:02,380 --> 00:26:06,100 I mean, phase three is kind of where 399 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:08,780 it gets exciting, because this is where we will release better. 400 00:26:08,780 --> 00:26:10,260 Beta release? 401 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:11,300 Yep. 402 00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:14,300 Phase two being the internal testing by sandbox team? 403 00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,220 Yep, this is already happening. 404 00:26:16,220 --> 00:26:19,660 And we have very amazing feedback 405 00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:26,260 from the production art and level design team from TSP. 406 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:33,860 These users are so, yeah, I can say 407 00:26:33,860 --> 00:26:37,780 that they are so happy that they can work with Magic Padlet 408 00:26:37,780 --> 00:26:40,540 now for internal production. 409 00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:46,700 Because they did already what we always kind of projected 410 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:49,900 into our workflow here. 411 00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:54,180 They made always these mini maps for their production 412 00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:56,740 and for the clients and for the brands 413 00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:59,340 to show them how things, and also 414 00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:01,860 for internal discussion and all that, 415 00:27:01,860 --> 00:27:06,140 to show them how things will work, how things will look, 416 00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:09,100 even just as a mock-up. 417 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,860 And from there, they would build in GameMaker. 418 00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:14,980 But now they really can grab their mock-ups 419 00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:20,860 and just have a huge head start in GameMaker already. 420 00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:23,540 And how long will the beta release last for before you 421 00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:24,420 move to phase four? 422 00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:30,860 This is what you have on the part three. 423 00:27:30,860 --> 00:27:32,780 What's the most challenging part? 424 00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:35,940 And the most challenging part for us right now 425 00:27:35,940 --> 00:27:45,380 is finding or working with the GameMaker team on an API 426 00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:48,780 solution or better said, data exchange 427 00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:52,620 in between GameMaker and Magic Padlet. 428 00:27:52,620 --> 00:27:55,940 Most challenging part was working with the GameMaker team 429 00:27:55,940 --> 00:27:56,860 to find an API? 430 00:28:00,420 --> 00:28:03,100 Yeah, get this up and running. 431 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:07,740 Because GameMaker development team is super busy, 432 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:11,020 as you all can imagine. 433 00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:14,860 Oh, get it to where Magic Padlet would talk to and correctly 434 00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:15,780 integrate with. 435 00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:16,780 OK. 436 00:28:16,780 --> 00:28:17,340 Yeah. 437 00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:21,860 And this is super important for us and for everybody. 438 00:28:21,860 --> 00:28:27,260 We want to have this as frictionless as possible 439 00:28:27,260 --> 00:28:33,020 for the end user to happen that you can save your map. 440 00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:36,100 This is already possible in beta. 441 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:39,020 But for the full release, we want 442 00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:46,020 to have the link in between GameMaker and Magic Padlet up 443 00:28:46,020 --> 00:28:49,540 and running as good as we can. 444 00:28:49,540 --> 00:28:54,340 And this is challenging because, yeah. 445 00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:56,860 And what was challenging about it? 446 00:28:56,860 --> 00:28:58,540 Was it like a technical challenge 447 00:28:58,540 --> 00:29:02,700 or just working through it with the GameMaker team? 448 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:07,460 Yeah, even just get the hands on someone 449 00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:13,620 that is kind of working on this or can help us figure things 450 00:29:13,620 --> 00:29:15,660 out. 451 00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:18,740 So this is still in the works. 452 00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:20,140 Yeah, still in the works. 453 00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:26,300 And yeah, this is what we hope to make progress 454 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:27,660 in the next few weeks as well. 455 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:32,500 Other than that, it's going well. 456 00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:34,540 We, yeah. 457 00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:37,180 And you said the beta should be coming by October? 458 00:29:40,940 --> 00:29:42,980 Yeah, that would be the plan. 459 00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:48,500 And right now, it looks like we can make this happen. 460 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,860 As said, beta will have all the functionality 461 00:29:51,860 --> 00:29:57,260 that we did see in our demos that we did here. 462 00:29:57,260 --> 00:30:05,020 What we don't have is, as said, the possibility 463 00:30:05,020 --> 00:30:07,500 to load your maps already. 464 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,620 So you can start with your mini maps. 465 00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:10,660 You can assign blocks. 466 00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:15,940 You can start with all that that we showed. 467 00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:21,020 You just not yet can test it in GameMaker. 468 00:30:21,020 --> 00:30:22,300 OK, got it. 469 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,820 This is for the full release planned. 470 00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:29,460 And yeah, we truly hope that there is a solution for this. 471 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:29,980 OK. 472 00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:34,780 Because this is something that we have solutions or ideas. 473 00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:38,700 And there is already a solution, but not for the public, sadly. 474 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:46,220 And therefore, we kind of rely on GameMaker team 475 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:48,740 to make this happen. 476 00:30:48,740 --> 00:30:53,020 And not only what we think, it's also 477 00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:56,380 how they want to approach this, of course. 478 00:30:56,380 --> 00:30:58,340 OK. 479 00:30:58,340 --> 00:31:00,940 And remind me, which feature is it 480 00:31:00,940 --> 00:31:04,700 that is not available to the public? 481 00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:10,980 Loading into GameMaker, your experience into GameMaker, 482 00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:13,980 which is quite crucial, of course, in the end. 483 00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:17,740 Because you want to have it up and running in GameMaker. 484 00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:20,380 So when we did it, when you mentioned 485 00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:23,100 you were a power user, so you could do it? 486 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:24,100 Yeah, yeah. 487 00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,460 Trusted partners can already do it. 488 00:31:27,460 --> 00:31:27,980 Oh, OK. 489 00:31:27,980 --> 00:31:30,140 So the current limitation. 490 00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:33,020 Yeah, we don't want only to allow 491 00:31:33,020 --> 00:31:34,300 this to trust their partners. 492 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:36,060 We want to have everybody. 493 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:40,300 Each and everybody should be able to do this. 494 00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:45,300 So you must be a power user to load your Magic Palette 495 00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:47,860 file into GameMaker? 496 00:31:47,860 --> 00:31:48,500 Right. 497 00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:49,980 OK, so that's the current limitation 498 00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:52,140 that you're looking to overcome. 499 00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:53,860 Yeah, yeah. 500 00:31:53,860 --> 00:31:55,340 OK. 501 00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:57,260 So pretty exciting thing. 502 00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:59,420 So then you would want that to be done before beta 503 00:31:59,420 --> 00:32:03,060 is what I assume. 504 00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:07,220 No, beta is, as I said, with limited export functionality. 505 00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:10,620 You still can export your map again as Vox and tweak it 506 00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:15,620 and prepare it for your release on your site 507 00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:19,540 or kind of working later on GameMaker files 508 00:32:19,540 --> 00:32:22,380 or kind of loading it into GameMakers. 509 00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:29,900 But for now, we export in beta only to Vox and to OBJ. 510 00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:34,820 Oh, so with beta, you won't be able to upload it to GameMaker? 511 00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:36,180 Go to GameMaker, exactly. 512 00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:37,020 OK. 513 00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:37,540 All right. 514 00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:39,820 I mean, of course, if we can make it happen, 515 00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:41,260 we will make it happen. 516 00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:43,620 But as I said, it's not only on us. 517 00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:48,020 And there is a third party involved in this case. 518 00:32:48,020 --> 00:32:49,540 So not expected during beta. 519 00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:53,500 So they'll just get the hands on of Magic Palette itself, 520 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,580 working from the concept block out to Magic Palette. 521 00:32:56,580 --> 00:32:59,780 And that's where it will end until the limitation is 522 00:32:59,780 --> 00:33:01,300 overcome. 523 00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:02,020 Yeah, exactly. 524 00:33:02,020 --> 00:33:02,540 Yeah. 525 00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:04,620 Cool. 526 00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:10,700 So let's get into the most challenging part, I think. 527 00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:13,060 How about that? 528 00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:17,380 Yeah, that was part that we already covered kind of here. 529 00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:17,880 Yeah. 530 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:27,300 Was there anything that was much easier 531 00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:28,780 than you expected it would be? 532 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:39,060 Well, some features, we had only a vague idea 533 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:41,340 how we want to approach them. 534 00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:45,860 And our lead developer sometimes surprises us overnight 535 00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:46,460 or whatever. 536 00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:48,660 And just next morning, you read something. 537 00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:50,220 Oh, yeah, it's working now. 538 00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:54,700 And yeah, these progress is actually super cool. 539 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:59,380 And you're super excited when you see things coming to life. 540 00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:03,300 And actually, you can already test it in Magic Palette 541 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:04,820 and work with them. 542 00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:09,140 For example, working with Minecraft maps. 543 00:34:09,140 --> 00:34:12,500 It was something that I had to work around 544 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:16,100 through other softwares and all that. 545 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:20,580 But actually, the implementation took us not that long 546 00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:24,740 in the end to make it happen inside of Magic Palette. 547 00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:30,820 And it's a feature that we even didn't mention in the SIP. 548 00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:33,940 It's still a huge one, in our opinion. 549 00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:39,100 But yeah, we have our roadmap. 550 00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:42,140 And the SIP reflects this quite well. 551 00:34:42,140 --> 00:34:46,140 But there are so many more features already in that 552 00:34:46,140 --> 00:34:48,380 are not mentioned there. 553 00:34:48,380 --> 00:34:50,500 We keep track of this, of course. 554 00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:57,100 We have a log and release notes and all that. 555 00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:01,540 So if you are interested in following us along, 556 00:35:01,540 --> 00:35:05,460 please join our Discord, Sandrush Discord. 557 00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:10,900 And yeah, super excited to bring more utility 558 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:16,060 and more features to Magic Palette. 559 00:35:16,060 --> 00:35:24,020 And on that one, let's get into the actual SIP process itself. 560 00:35:24,020 --> 00:35:28,660 Right after the SIP was approved, what happened? 561 00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:31,700 Walk me through all that. 562 00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:33,780 Yeah, yeah, sure. 563 00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:40,220 So basically, as some of you might know or remember, 564 00:35:40,220 --> 00:35:47,660 we had huge support from TSP, from the whole community. 565 00:35:47,660 --> 00:35:50,340 99% yes. 566 00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:52,260 Yes, yes, yes. 567 00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:55,780 99.36%, yes. 568 00:35:55,780 --> 00:36:02,700 So that was quite encouraging for me and my team 569 00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:09,100 to see that we are working on something that is desired 570 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:12,700 and can make a difference. 571 00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:14,700 The tricky part was the Quorum. 572 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:18,260 And we see it with other SIPs right now. 573 00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:22,180 Yeah, past three SIPs fail because of that, unfortunately. 574 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:23,100 Yeah, sadly. 575 00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:24,540 Sadly, yeah. 576 00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:28,260 And I have to say, I'm not sure what's the plans. 577 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:36,220 To reach our Quorum, we did quite a huge effort 578 00:36:36,220 --> 00:36:39,540 in these two weeks. 579 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:45,220 And we even had the chance to have AMAs with Sebastian. 580 00:36:45,220 --> 00:36:48,420 We reached out to many, many landowners 581 00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:49,780 that we could find. 582 00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:52,180 It was not easy. 583 00:36:52,180 --> 00:36:54,980 Reached out to projects that we knew 584 00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:59,020 they were involved to some sort in TSP and all that. 585 00:36:59,020 --> 00:37:02,220 And really find these people that, I mean, 586 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:06,100 it's not only that all the brands that you see on the map. 587 00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:09,700 Sometimes it's hard to reach out to them anyway 588 00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:13,420 because they are large brands. 589 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:17,260 Not that you couldn't, but it would take too much time 590 00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:19,940 to find a responsible person that in the end 591 00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:24,300 holds the ledger to sign the vote probably even, 592 00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,460 even if they would vote. 593 00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:30,740 So we had to overcome quite a bit 594 00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:36,700 this challenging phase of finding actual voters. 595 00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:42,540 And yeah, we are super grateful and glad that we made it. 596 00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:46,100 So we now can proceed with development 597 00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:50,020 and deliver what we have in mind and what we think 598 00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:55,260 makes a difference for all the builders out there. 599 00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:59,500 And when it was past July 10th, what happened? 600 00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:01,020 Did you immediately start development 601 00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:04,340 or was there like a buildup phase of some kind? 602 00:38:04,340 --> 00:38:05,300 No, not at all. 603 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:08,220 I mean, we actually invested quite heavily 604 00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:12,260 our own resources and time already into bringing it 605 00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:19,140 to a state where we can be confident about what we do, 606 00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:26,260 what Magic Pallet can do so that we don't over-promise 607 00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:29,340 or kind of promise something that in the end 608 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:33,220 will not be realistic. 609 00:38:33,220 --> 00:38:40,860 So we had a lot of kind of time in beforehand 610 00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:46,300 where we did fully focus on Magic Pallet already 611 00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:49,580 after a large production. 612 00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:53,500 And I think this helped us a lot to not only flash out 613 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:56,420 the app itself, but also this vision 614 00:38:56,420 --> 00:39:06,820 and to find also kind of the audience that we hope 615 00:39:06,820 --> 00:39:10,740 will work with Magic Pallet. 616 00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:14,580 And this was a fluid process. 617 00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:21,740 So it's not like the zip came and then we start development. 618 00:39:21,740 --> 00:39:24,860 We started long beforehand already. 619 00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:32,100 It evolved over time from a small little helper tool 620 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:35,540 that we used internally for production 621 00:39:35,540 --> 00:39:40,500 and evolved to a full-fledged web-free web-based tool 622 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:41,700 that it is right now. 623 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:47,460 Mark asked, what's your Discord server? 624 00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:51,940 I'm going to pull it up and I'll put it in chat for him. 625 00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:53,180 Cool, thanks a lot. 626 00:39:53,180 --> 00:39:56,780 So walk me through. 627 00:39:56,780 --> 00:39:58,780 So you started development immediately. 628 00:39:58,780 --> 00:40:01,700 What was the administration like with the DAO? 629 00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:04,980 How did that interaction unfold after the zip passed? 630 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:13,100 Yeah, so basically we were confirmed 631 00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:18,300 and the DAO team was always super friendly and kind 632 00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:23,500 of supportive during the voting phase 633 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:27,060 and beforehand with the ideation. 634 00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:33,900 And I mean, we submitted our zip. 635 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:37,540 It was one of the first zips that were submitted. 636 00:40:37,540 --> 00:40:41,780 So they were glad that it was all nice and tidy 637 00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:43,780 and things were in place. 638 00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:45,860 And we have this structure of the template 639 00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:47,420 that we followed along. 640 00:40:47,420 --> 00:40:51,940 So I think this helped a lot to kind of level out everything 641 00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:54,340 and say, OK, this is solid. 642 00:40:54,340 --> 00:40:57,020 This can be presented. 643 00:40:57,020 --> 00:41:02,340 Then the voting phase came and a bit 644 00:41:02,340 --> 00:41:07,340 of this stressful time with finding the quorum. 645 00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:14,500 But after confirmation, we kind of had this clear, 646 00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:17,900 or we still have this clear roadmap 647 00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:25,300 where we did bind our payouts to these phases, 648 00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:27,940 in our case, with our project. 649 00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:30,580 And I think it's more than fair to, 650 00:41:30,580 --> 00:41:34,180 we also could ask for just upfront or whatever. 651 00:41:34,180 --> 00:41:38,540 I think it's more than fair that we deliver in these phases 652 00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:42,940 what we promised and even more, as we can see right now. 653 00:41:42,940 --> 00:41:51,180 And kind of fulfill the zip in a way as it is intended, 654 00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:55,780 because we don't want just ask for money 655 00:41:55,780 --> 00:42:00,740 and then do something at some time, maybe. 656 00:42:00,740 --> 00:42:04,700 And it was, of course, a bit hard. 657 00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:08,780 This is why there are no hard deadlines here. 658 00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:11,500 We just staggered it into phases. 659 00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:15,460 But our goal is to, as you just said, 660 00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:20,260 better super soon-ish already and public release 661 00:42:20,260 --> 00:42:26,020 as soon as we have clarified the interoperability 662 00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:27,020 with GameMaker. 663 00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:30,900 And so right now, you've unlocked phase two. 664 00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:33,460 You're now on phase three? 665 00:42:33,460 --> 00:42:35,780 No, we are on phase two. 666 00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:37,220 We are unlocking phase two soon. 667 00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:39,260 So you unlocked phase one. 668 00:42:39,260 --> 00:42:40,900 Phase one is unlocked? 669 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:42,300 Yeah, exactly. 670 00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:45,220 And this is with you asked about the DAO team. 671 00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:47,220 We are in close contact with them. 672 00:42:47,220 --> 00:42:52,980 And we are super grateful about their support. 673 00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:59,820 And of course, they want confirmation on the delivery 674 00:42:59,820 --> 00:43:03,860 deliverables that we mentioned here in the zip. 675 00:43:03,860 --> 00:43:07,020 And that's more than fair. 676 00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:15,180 So we have now someone from TSP internal that kind of cross 677 00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:19,020 check that is also in this testing group that kind of cross 678 00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:22,660 checks what MagicPallet can do. 679 00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:25,740 And these features that are mentioned here, 680 00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:32,780 they are truly tested by him and his team 681 00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:36,740 to kind of confirm if this is delivered. 682 00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:41,660 And once it's delivered, as it was in phase one now, 683 00:43:41,660 --> 00:43:47,660 early this month, the payment then 684 00:43:47,660 --> 00:43:51,860 get unlocked through the DAO team or the DAO treasury. 685 00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:54,100 So it's kind of like a three-way thing going on here 686 00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:57,100 where you had the TSP development 687 00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:01,260 member who's helping to confirm that what your SIP said 688 00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:02,860 that would deliver it did. 689 00:44:02,860 --> 00:44:06,580 And the DAO team is unlocking the payment after that. 690 00:44:06,580 --> 00:44:07,580 Exactly. 691 00:44:07,580 --> 00:44:08,900 OK. 692 00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:11,340 OK, got it. 693 00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:13,740 Yeah, it's pretty straightforward in the end. 694 00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:18,180 But we have this kind of third party or yeah, 695 00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:21,460 kind of advisor or not advisor. 696 00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:26,300 It's kind of observer that kind of looks for them. 697 00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:28,780 They're not that deep into technical things 698 00:44:28,780 --> 00:44:30,100 and design things. 699 00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:35,740 So it's more than we're super happy that this setup came 700 00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:41,220 in place now and everything can be kind of cross-checked also 701 00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:42,180 from their side. 702 00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:43,060 Yeah. 703 00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:43,740 Got it. 704 00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:47,620 I imagine this is not needed for every SIP. 705 00:44:47,620 --> 00:44:52,740 It's just in our case with these quite technical, 706 00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:57,260 with these features and all the things that we develop 707 00:44:57,260 --> 00:45:01,180 so that they really work as intended and all that. 708 00:45:01,180 --> 00:45:04,260 It makes sense that we have someone like this in place. 709 00:45:04,260 --> 00:45:06,100 Yeah. 710 00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:06,980 Cool. 711 00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:09,140 So that does sound pretty straightforward. 712 00:45:09,140 --> 00:45:10,860 I don't know what I was expecting, 713 00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:14,220 but that yeah, that was pretty straightforward. 714 00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:16,340 You just you do what you said you would do. 715 00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:20,500 And then there is someone who will check it whether or not 716 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:23,540 be a DAO person if they had the technical skills, 717 00:45:23,540 --> 00:45:27,260 but because they don't, they would look at the TSB team 718 00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:31,300 to do that technical evaluation. 719 00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:32,740 OK. 720 00:45:32,740 --> 00:45:34,580 That's pretty sensible. 721 00:45:39,340 --> 00:45:40,060 OK. 722 00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:42,020 And then is there anything you wish you had known 723 00:45:42,020 --> 00:45:46,340 at the start of all this that would have better prepared you? 724 00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:51,180 I assume you're going to say quorum, but let's ask anyway. 725 00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:53,980 Good question, actually. 726 00:45:53,980 --> 00:46:02,180 I mean, we were a bit out in the open with, 727 00:46:02,180 --> 00:46:04,540 we decided as mentioned before, we 728 00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:09,580 decided to invest our own funds into this already, 729 00:46:09,580 --> 00:46:14,620 into the development and development of Magic Palette. 730 00:46:14,620 --> 00:46:18,900 Beforehand, before there was spoken funding or even 731 00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:21,580 confirmed funding through the DAO, 732 00:46:21,580 --> 00:46:28,260 though we didn't know how things will go, actually. 733 00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:34,940 We heavily kind of trusted the community and the voters 734 00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:41,260 that they want this tool come to life. 735 00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:45,380 If they wouldn't confirm it, I'm not sure if we still 736 00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:48,060 would be up and running, actually, 737 00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:50,540 because we had this really heavy focus 738 00:46:50,540 --> 00:46:54,740 and still have on pushing Magic Palette because we think 739 00:46:54,740 --> 00:46:58,980 this is our strength and this is what we should do to bring 740 00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:03,100 value to the community. 741 00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:10,620 And so we even rejected clients work 742 00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:16,620 because we thought, OK, let's do this because we 743 00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:19,060 want to make this happen. 744 00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:25,060 And this was kind of a risk taking before the SIP came 745 00:47:25,060 --> 00:47:29,180 and the whole SIP process came in. 746 00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:31,700 This was before the SIP even went to vote. 747 00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:35,380 You were rejecting work to continue prototyping? 748 00:47:35,380 --> 00:47:40,740 Yeah, and especially kind of also working on our own project 749 00:47:40,740 --> 00:47:43,460 and games and experiences. 750 00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:49,220 It's not it kind of we did withdraw resources 751 00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:53,860 from this part of the studio and focus much more, for example, 752 00:47:53,860 --> 00:48:01,780 on block creation because we know each block is valuable 753 00:48:01,780 --> 00:48:04,060 for Magic Palette and all that things. 754 00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:08,780 These decisions, these kind of decisions. 755 00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:12,620 And having our developer full time on Magic Palette. 756 00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:16,940 So it comes down to if you had something that you wish 757 00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:20,820 you had known was the amount of sacrifice you would have had 758 00:48:20,820 --> 00:48:26,540 to make even before the SIP went to vote, the time investment, 759 00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:30,740 the money investment, and then the potential risk 760 00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:33,820 for returning down work that you could 761 00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:37,540 have been earning money that way. 762 00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:38,340 Yes, kind of. 763 00:48:38,340 --> 00:48:40,380 I mean, it's not that dramatic. 764 00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:46,460 But in the end, we kind of did put our full forces 765 00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:47,700 on Magic Palette. 766 00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:51,420 And I think it was the correct decision. 767 00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:54,380 Still think it is at this point. 768 00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:58,100 It looks like it's working out just fine. 769 00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:01,340 But what I hear is the uncertainty, 770 00:49:01,340 --> 00:49:05,060 the uncertainty before it even went to vote of you 771 00:49:05,060 --> 00:49:07,700 weren't sure if that was going to work. 772 00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:10,220 Or even get any funding through DAO. 773 00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:15,860 I mean, we were in close contact over the years now already 774 00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:20,980 where we were involved in the sandbox with the team, 775 00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:27,180 with Sebastian itself, with other people from, for example, 776 00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:33,820 with Thibaut, the art director now that is leading his team. 777 00:49:33,820 --> 00:49:38,620 And we are super grateful for all their support 778 00:49:38,620 --> 00:49:44,100 and also seeing the potential of what we are doing. 779 00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,940 We not only did Magic Palette in the past, of course. 780 00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:53,100 We also did, for example, large projects for cyberkongs. 781 00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:59,940 Or we did other web 3 apps like our Gear Up app 782 00:49:59,940 --> 00:50:04,140 where you can equip your avatar. 783 00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:06,620 Also web-based. 784 00:50:06,620 --> 00:50:10,100 Don't need Game Maker for this. 785 00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:16,340 And all these type of things, we always heavily focused 786 00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:20,780 on building on top of the platform, 787 00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:27,540 adding where TSB might not providing tools like what 788 00:50:27,540 --> 00:50:28,260 we do here. 789 00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:30,900 I think this is our strength. 790 00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:36,220 And we should, in my opinion, we should 791 00:50:36,220 --> 00:50:40,900 play this card the most where possible 792 00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:46,260 because this is where we create value for everybody. 793 00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:48,380 OK. 794 00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:52,420 Well, Pepe, I think that pretty much gets us through it. 795 00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:56,260 Is there anything else that we didn't cover about the process 796 00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:58,260 you'd like to discuss? 797 00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:05,380 No, thanks a lot for this deep dive 798 00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:11,180 and also for having us working on this sample map 799 00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:13,180 that we did in the last two episodes. 800 00:51:13,180 --> 00:51:18,900 I'm super, super excited to even see this one evolving maybe 801 00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:21,420 over time now. 802 00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:25,860 And we, of course, have a lot of plans 803 00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:28,300 to not only provide blocks, but we also 804 00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:32,780 want to provide new generators, new maps. 805 00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:35,740 When it comes to blocks, we're just 806 00:51:35,740 --> 00:51:39,980 in the process of going really collection-based. 807 00:51:39,980 --> 00:51:43,380 So you can load your custom blocks and all that. 808 00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:49,380 We have a lot of stuff in the works that are quite exciting. 809 00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:54,620 And yeah, the DAO was an opportunity. 810 00:51:54,620 --> 00:51:57,900 It was stressful, at least this voting 811 00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:01,180 phase and the pre-discussion. 812 00:52:01,180 --> 00:52:07,620 But I think it's also crucial for the success of a project 813 00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:13,940 like this to share your vision with the actual builders 814 00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:21,780 and creators, because these will be 815 00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:25,660 the people that make this product work 816 00:52:25,660 --> 00:52:30,140 or valuable for the whole ecosystem. 817 00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:37,340 And the process is still an up and down all the time. 818 00:52:37,340 --> 00:52:42,860 And there are bugs, crushing bugs, daily internally here 819 00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:46,300 and with the help of TSP testing team, as I said. 820 00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:51,980 So yeah, we certainly will keep you all in the loop 821 00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:57,900 mainly through X, Twitter, and of course, in our Discord 822 00:52:57,900 --> 00:52:59,540 and all that. 823 00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:05,220 So yeah, I try to be involved wherever I can, 824 00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:10,020 especially with other builders and studios that 825 00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:16,540 can make the most out of their projects with the help 826 00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:18,580 of Magic Palette, I think. 827 00:53:18,580 --> 00:53:19,940 Cool. 828 00:53:19,940 --> 00:53:22,300 Very cool. 829 00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:24,860 Well, that'll bring us to the end of this episode. 830 00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:26,700 Next, we got underneath an hour, Pepe, 831 00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:28,100 so I think that's a first for us. 832 00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:33,580 That's a good achievement. 833 00:53:33,580 --> 00:53:35,140 Yeah, that's perfect. 834 00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:40,620 I would say we captured the essence here. 835 00:53:40,620 --> 00:53:43,500 This has been a really good three-part series. 836 00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:47,580 I enjoyed walking through this with you, 837 00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:50,820 especially seeing the hands-on of how you go from blockout 838 00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:53,140 to block assignment. 839 00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:55,700 That was really cool. 840 00:53:55,700 --> 00:54:01,540 Tomorrow, we'll be talking to Pickaxe Master. 841 00:54:01,540 --> 00:54:03,100 Oh, nice. 842 00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:07,620 So I think you did an episode with him and San Fam Cafe. 843 00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:12,820 Yeah, back in the voting phase, there was a San Fam Cafe. 844 00:54:12,820 --> 00:54:17,140 We'll be talking to him tomorrow and going over San Fam Cafe, 845 00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:20,020 the DAO, some other things that are... 846 00:54:20,020 --> 00:54:24,220 Pickaxe Master itself is its own experience. 847 00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:27,660 Spaces are still going on each week. 848 00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:31,980 The places to be is Discord, the DAO forums, and Twitter. 849 00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:36,340 There are two new votes up now for consideration, 850 00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:41,100 which is the Ambassador Program and the San Fam Academy. 851 00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:46,220 So Mark Baggo was in the chat just talking now. 852 00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:48,180 His sip has gone to vote. 853 00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:51,100 We did that with episode... 854 00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:54,420 We just did it. 855 00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:55,780 Episode 12. 856 00:54:55,780 --> 00:54:58,940 Take a look at episode 12 where we interview Mark Baggo 857 00:54:58,940 --> 00:55:03,380 from wanting to do Sandbox Academy in the Philippines, 858 00:55:03,380 --> 00:55:06,060 which is basically an onboarding program, 859 00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:10,060 an educational program for a series of universities 860 00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:13,340 in the Philippines, which is where Mark lives. 861 00:55:13,340 --> 00:55:17,540 And he's been doing the Sandbox Academy for years for free. 862 00:55:17,540 --> 00:55:22,180 And now he's requested funds to pay for things like posters 863 00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:25,820 and the educational material, like the laptop 864 00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:31,500 and all the stuff that he needs to give to... 865 00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:34,740 I think it's 60 people, right, Mark? 866 00:55:34,740 --> 00:55:38,980 Was it 60 people that you're teaching across six universities 867 00:55:38,980 --> 00:55:41,500 and six months? 868 00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:45,100 So that is a significant time investment for him. 869 00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:51,540 And just onboarding loads of new creators 870 00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:56,940 that can then use Magic Palette and create experiences 871 00:55:56,940 --> 00:56:00,380 for themselves and contribute to the community. 872 00:56:00,380 --> 00:56:02,180 So I'm... 873 00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:06,740 We actually already have planned to make one of the lessons 874 00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:12,020 of Magic Palette focus once it's up and running. 875 00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:13,980 So we're excited about that. 876 00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:16,700 So he said 20 to 40 per university times six 877 00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:18,500 would be 240 people. 878 00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:19,980 And yeah, if there was a way... 879 00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:22,820 Pepe, I saw the conversations going back and forth. 880 00:56:22,820 --> 00:56:25,660 If there was a way to partner with him, 881 00:56:25,660 --> 00:56:27,740 that would just be doubly cool. 882 00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:31,420 But in any case, I've already voted yes. 883 00:56:31,420 --> 00:56:32,740 He's got my full support. 884 00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:35,220 And please go vote. 885 00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:37,940 Yes, vote no, but please vote, 886 00:56:37,940 --> 00:56:40,940 because the last three didn't even make it because of quorum. 887 00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:45,340 And the yes vote won't even go through if we don't make quorum. 888 00:56:45,340 --> 00:56:50,060 So please go vote and make your voice heard. 889 00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:52,660 And there's the Sandbox Academy... 890 00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:57,460 Not Sandbox Academy, the Sandbox Ambassador Program, 891 00:56:57,460 --> 00:57:01,340 which I am trying to get them on the docket for. 892 00:57:01,340 --> 00:57:02,660 For... 893 00:57:02,660 --> 00:57:03,660 I did see that. 894 00:57:03,660 --> 00:57:04,380 Right. 895 00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:08,580 All my friends' people, which is just a collection of Sandbox folks. 896 00:57:08,580 --> 00:57:10,700 So I'm trying to get them on Sandow, 897 00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:12,420 but I haven't been able to yet. 898 00:57:12,420 --> 00:57:14,500 So we'll see about that. 899 00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:17,820 And then there's Here's Your Spaces throughout the week. 900 00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:19,820 Folkiverse Hall, Bulls on the Block, 901 00:57:19,820 --> 00:57:23,500 Coffee with Captain, Whale Members, San Fam Cafe. 902 00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:24,780 Check them out. 903 00:57:24,780 --> 00:57:28,500 That's where we gather alongside the forums. 904 00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:32,860 And Pepe, is there anyone that you think I should raid on Twitch? 905 00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:33,540 I already looked. 906 00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:36,740 I don't see anyone else in the Sandbox category. 907 00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:39,420 You know, everybody offline right now. 908 00:57:39,420 --> 00:57:39,860 Yeah. 909 00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:45,420 Everyone looks offline because it's still very early morning. 910 00:57:45,420 --> 00:57:50,940 And where we are and for you, it's mid-afternoon, right? 911 00:57:50,940 --> 00:57:53,540 Go West just came online. 912 00:57:53,540 --> 00:57:55,420 Go West just came online? 913 00:57:55,420 --> 00:57:56,180 Not online. 914 00:57:56,180 --> 00:57:56,820 Go West? 915 00:57:56,820 --> 00:57:58,380 Oh, I see him in the chat. 916 00:57:58,380 --> 00:58:01,820 Go West, if you fire up that stream, I will raid you. 917 00:58:01,820 --> 00:58:07,740 But it's probably a little too early on his side there. 918 00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:10,020 So we'll end it there. 919 00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:11,900 Pepe, thank you for your time. 920 00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:14,380 Really, really loved doing this with you. 921 00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:21,500 And I'm excited to use this myself, even though I'm a complete amateur at this stuff. 922 00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:29,060 That will be exciting to see what the community will create to have a Magic Pallet. 923 00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:31,140 So my SIPs should be coming up pretty soon. 924 00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:33,100 So I'll be in the same boat as you are. 925 00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:34,700 Don't know which one's going to hit first. 926 00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:36,060 I've got five of them. 927 00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:39,700 I think Sandal podcast will hit first. 928 00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:46,260 But it could also be the window sizing one or the in-game filter or the revenue options, 929 00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:50,420 which is my big one, other than Sandal podcast. 930 00:58:50,420 --> 00:58:56,500 And yeah, so I'll be campaigning just like everyone else. 931 00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:58,060 Thank you for your time, Pepe. 932 00:58:58,060 --> 00:59:01,220 And thanks, Lancer, for having us. 933 00:59:01,220 --> 00:59:02,780 Guten Morgen. 934 00:59:02,780 --> 00:59:03,740 Or is that morning? 935 00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:05,020 Oops. 936 00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:07,860 Yeah, it's afternoon already. 937 00:59:07,860 --> 00:59:09,260 But good morning. 938 00:59:09,260 --> 00:59:10,700 Good morning. 939 00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:11,700 And Dankeschön. 940 00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:12,700 Cool. 941 00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:13,700 Thanks, everyone. 942 00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:36,860 Have a good, hot day.